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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3420 on: May 15, 2007 at 10:15 AM »
Spectraav,

Is the HK 970 a stereo receiver or an integrated?  Does HK still have an integrated?

Kindly send me PM as to the price.  Thank you
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3421 on: Jun 11, 2007 at 07:16 PM »
What entry-level AVR can you suggest for a Hi-Fi set-up? And what speaker's good to pair it up? Thanks!

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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3422 on: Jun 11, 2007 at 11:20 PM »
What entry-level AVR can you suggest for a Hi-Fi set-up? And what speaker's good to pair it up? Thanks!


I suggest to set your budget, features you are looking for, list down the brands available, compare each one. Same thing in the speakers.  ;D  ;D

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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3423 on: Jun 12, 2007 at 08:53 AM »
Anywhere around 15-25k. Don't really know which brand of speakers or AVR I want. Maybe H/K since I like it's design. lol So maybe you can suggest something that suits my budget. I'll mostly use it for music. And my room is just small, around 4x4 meters.

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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3424 on: Jun 12, 2007 at 01:42 PM »
^ What model? How about speakers?

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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3425 on: Jun 12, 2007 at 04:00 PM »
Hi Fi only? no HT?

Aside from HK, try also Onkyo & Marantz, all 3 are quite musical

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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3426 on: Jun 12, 2007 at 10:37 PM »
Got a chance to audition the H/K 3380 today. And I'm sold. Now any suggestions for a good speaker? ;D

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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3427 on: Jun 12, 2007 at 11:35 PM »
HK is very conservative in their watts rating 80w/c might good enough.  8)  8)
If you consider FS look for somthing easy to drive para swabe lang sa amp mo. If BS consider a good match up with Sub for bottom end.  ;D  ;D
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3428 on: Jun 13, 2007 at 11:09 AM »
actually, hindi kasali yata yung 3480 and 3380 sa conservative rating ng HK.

if you look at the 3480's max power consumption, impossible makakuha ng 120wpc x 2 (unless class D siya)
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3429 on: Jun 14, 2007 at 08:43 AM »
tanong ko lang po. meron po bang formula para sa conservative rating? How is it compare to power drive ng nad?

Pasensya na po balak ko kc mag upgrade ng receiver its either nad or hk. Please help!!! :(

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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3430 on: Jun 14, 2007 at 09:22 AM »
Approximately

(Max power consumption X 0.45) / # of channels


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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3431 on: Jul 03, 2007 at 05:05 PM »
Approximately

(Max power consumption X 0.45) / # of channels



Taking this, and HK 3480's power consumption of 280W means that it has 63W of conservative rating, does it mean that HK 3480 and HK 235/240/245 (65W stereo) all has the same sound quality in stereo mode?

Does anyone have an experience side-by-side audition with any of HK 200 series and HK 3480? Is there any difference?
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3432 on: Jul 06, 2007 at 01:10 AM »
Tanong ko lang kung familiar kayo, Ano type kaya ng memory back up yung ginagamit ng Harman kasi yung AVR5500 ko pag unplug yung power cord back to default setting yung configuration ko. Kaya ko na tanong kasi balak ko sanang buksan to check baka may button cell, na busted kaya hindi na nasasave yung settings ko. Tawag yata sa memory na gumagamit ng button cell ay Volatile Memory.

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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3433 on: Jul 06, 2007 at 02:46 AM »
mr. bassman... pareho tayo ng problema. i have a hk 5550 naman, pero ganyan din na after mo ma-unplug, balik sa default settings. i'm not sure though kung battery lang ang problema nito. if i may quote from the manual:

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In the rare case where the unit’s operation or the displays seem abnormal,
the cause may involve the erratic operation of the system’s memory or microprocessor.

If the system is still operating incorrectly, there may have been an electronic discharge
or severe AC line interference that has corrupted the memory or microprocessor.

If these steps do not solve the problem, consult an authorized Harman Kardon service depot.

haay... sana may makatulong sa atin.
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3434 on: Jul 06, 2007 at 10:38 AM »
Kala ko nagiisa lang ako ikaw din pala mr.gearhead.Sabi din sa manual it takes 2 weeks (approx.) bago mawala sa memory yung settings kung prolong unplug yung AVR, pero yung sakin basta na unplug erased agad yung mga settings ko.

Ano nga pala pinagkaiba ng 5550 sa 5500, thanks!
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3435 on: Jul 06, 2007 at 12:11 PM »
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3436 on: Jul 13, 2007 at 02:18 AM »
any news or info regarding Harman Kardon HDMI 1.3 receivers?

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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3437 on: Jul 15, 2007 at 11:39 PM »
There is a 2 cell button battery at the back of the front panel board.

Disclaimer:  It's best this be changed by the authorized service center.  You might break your AVR.
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3438 on: Jul 16, 2007 at 01:23 AM »
wow, thanks sir slayer. this is a beast to lug around... so i might try to do the battery replacement myself. tamang-tama.... i might reconfigure my system in a few days so i will open and inspect the unit to see if it is in any way accessible.
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3439 on: Jul 16, 2007 at 02:08 AM »
wow, thanks sir slayer. this is a beast to lug around... so i might try to do the battery replacement myself. tamang-tama.... i might reconfigure my system in a few days so i will open and inspect the unit to see if it is in any way accessible.

Sir pa-update ng result hehehehe (playing safe coz still love my HK5500).

Thanks!

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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3440 on: Jul 16, 2007 at 08:12 AM »
don't know if this has been posted here already:

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Why are Harman Kardon amplifiers so much more powerful than amplifiers with the same power ratings that are made by other companies?

A Harman Kardon 50-watt amplifier will sound better, louder and cleaner than most 100-watt amplifiers from other companies. The reason is very simple. We give "true" wattage ratings, and our amplifiers utilize something called High-Current Capability (HCC). Please see the comparison below for further explanation. Other companies (100 watts):
Many companies have found new, convenient ways to get "big" wattage ratings on their amplifiers. They may take one frequency or tone (1kHz) and push it through one channel of amplification. This way the power supply only needs to supply power to one tone and one channel (no one listens to one tone through one speaker). This is not a difficult task for a power supply, so you get a nice, high rating like 100 watts. Now let's feed that one tone (1kHz) into 2 channels. Now the power supply has to supply power to 2 channels. The wattage rating is drastically reduced. Now let's take that one tone and make it ALL tones (pink noise). The power supply now has to supply power to all frequencies in both channels. Again, the wattage rating is drastically reduced. Now, your 100-watt amp is suddenly 50 watts (approximately).

Let's take it one step further. When you turn the amp up and begin to average the 50 watts of power, what happens to all of the dynamics/peaks in the sound? It can't get any louder, because the amp has hit its "ceiling," so the sound gets "clipped." The human ear typically can?t hear this clipping because peaks pass by so quickly but, nonetheless, the dynamics are gone.

Our amplifiers (50 watts):

We still rate our amplifiers the old-fashioned way - all frequencies with both channels driven. So "50 watts" is 50 watts. Twenty-five years ago, a 50-watt amp was very powerful. These days you can go to a store and hear a "300 watt" receiver and it won't impress; it lacks dynamic punch.

Now let's take it that extra step. When you turn the amp up and begin to average the 50 watts of power, the amp still needs to put out much more power every time a snare drum, triangle, or movie dynamic (e.g., hand slapping a face) hits. Our amps are able to instantaneously put out 20-100 amps (depending on the model) of high current to the speakers, allowing those dynamics to come through loud and clear, without any distortion. This brings the overall decibel average up, making it seem even louder that 50-watts.

gives validation to the oft-repeated phrase that hk gives conservative power ratings. well, not really "conservative"... but more like "truer" or more honest ratings.
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3441 on: Jul 16, 2007 at 02:54 PM »
Sir gearhead, same problem with me as well on the settings issue being re-set when unplugged.  Maybe our button batteries are fading at the same time.  Please post results on the replacement and good luck!
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3442 on: Jul 17, 2007 at 04:05 PM »
Guys,

I just upgraded my yamaha 557 to the HK AVR 335 the other day...and WOW!

Sounds Fantastic!



sir ano po ba ang mga speakers nyo when you were using the ym 557 and now with avr 335

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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3443 on: Jul 25, 2007 at 10:47 AM »
sir ano po ba ang mga speakers nyo when you were using the ym 557 and now with avr 335
[/quoteang set up po dati ni sir acostaml is hk335 and wharfe 9.4/9cs/dfs. yan din yata speakers nya nung naka 557 sya. right now hk630 na receiver ni acostaml ;)
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3444 on: Jul 25, 2007 at 11:57 AM »
Is Harman Kardon high current design really good or bad?
I have read from some threads that high current amps tend to heat up faster and consumes lots power even at idle.
If I can still remember, someone has sold his HK AVR because it's always getting into standby mode and many HK stereo receivers are sold refurbished online (maybe because of overheating problems?).
Although I have read many positive feedbacks about HK, I am quite hesitant just because of this.
Another thing is, I don't seem to read from any thread where the local service center of HK is. So it would be a problem where to bring your AVR for repair when it got busted?
No offense lang po sa HK owners, Im just curious.
I just don't want to make a mistake if ever I upgrade to an HK AVR.  :D
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3445 on: Jul 25, 2007 at 12:49 PM »
Is Harman Kardon high current design really good or bad?
I have read from some threads that high current amps tend to heat up faster and consumes lots power even at idle.
If I can still remember, someone has sold his HK AVR because it's always getting into standby mode and many HK stereo receivers are sold refurbished online (maybe because of overheating problems?).
Although I have read many positive feedbacks about HK, I am quite hesitant just because of this.
Another thing is, I don't seem to read from any thread where the local service center of HK is. So it would be a problem where to bring your AVR for repair when it got busted?
No offense lang po sa HK owners, Im just curious.
I just don't want to make a mistake if ever I upgrade to an HK AVR.  :D


That's same observations by other users/owners of HK. Due to it's high current design it really tend to heat-up easily or more than other names, esp when idle like tube amps. preformance wise it's really good but you need to place it in well ventilated rack... MHO... ;D
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3446 on: Jul 25, 2007 at 05:33 PM »
Is Harman Kardon high current design really good or bad?
I have read from some threads that high current amps tend to heat up faster and consumes lots power even at idle.
If I can still remember, someone has sold his HK AVR because it's always getting into standby mode and many HK stereo receivers are sold refurbished online (maybe because of overheating problems?).
Although I have read many positive feedbacks about HK, I am quite hesitant just because of this.
Another thing is, I don't seem to read from any thread where the local service center of HK is. So it would be a problem where to bring your AVR for repair when it got busted?
No offense lang po sa HK owners, Im just curious.
I just don't want to make a mistake if ever I upgrade to an HK AVR.  :D

No problem sa service center. Beyond Innovation sa Libis. Pero Hindi pa ako nakakapunta dun kase in two years (knock on wood) hindi pa nag kakaproblema HK ko. Very satisfied ako sa HK. Kung bibili uli ako ng bagong AVR HK pa rin ako.

Ang tanging pinag sisihan ko lang sa pagbili ng HK ko ay kung bakit entry level  lang ang binili ko. pero kahit entry level lang sabi nila High current naman, mukang totoo naman eh. Good for audio and HT but not as good as yamaha AVR in terms of HT. ;)
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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3447 on: Jul 26, 2007 at 02:28 PM »
Good for audio and HT but not as good as yamaha AVR in terms of HT. ;)

Not exactly IMO. More often than not, it depends on the models & people's preference.

Between my mid level HK630 & Yamaha 2500, The HK's presentation has a greater HT SLAM (it flexes its muscles) while Yammy is hyper detailed & great w/ discreet surrounds.

So w/c is better depends on w/c presentation the user prefers. Macho or matalino?  ;D

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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3448 on: Jul 26, 2007 at 02:55 PM »
sir Matz,

ung HT Slam po ba e kayang solusyunan ng Power amp?

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Re: harman/kardon avr
« Reply #3449 on: Jul 26, 2007 at 03:23 PM »
sir Matz,

ung HT Slam po ba e kayang solusyunan ng Power amp?


Same query here, Is it a great to pair HK 345 + 100W 5ch power amp to get a great HT slam? Will this config get near to the performance of HK 7300 which has 110wpc ACD power?
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