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Title: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Thames on Aug 13, 2001 at 09:10 AM
Guys,

Do u have any feedbacks abt hk avr2000 and hk avr 4000 (310)?
Which is better HK AVR4000? or Yamaha RXV-8000?

:)

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: muscleboy on Aug 13, 2001 at 11:37 PM

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Guys,

Do u have any feedbacks abt hk avr2000 and hk avr 4000 (310)?
Which is better HK AVR4000? or Yamaha RXV-8000?

:)

Thanks in advance


I own an h/k avr 4000 (bought it a month ago at megamall) and can say this is one hell of a beast! don't worry about its 50 W power rating as it features a high-current design. this will be more than you'll ever need. the only glitch at the moment is that the avr 4000's On Screen Display (OSD) is currently default to PAL so you'd need a multisystem TV to decode its signal, plus some units have non-learning remotes with them so test first before buying. Audio and home theater play nicely with this beast. Regarding the Yamaha RXV-800, well I can say that it excels in home theater (6.1 channels - rear center is phantom) but lack musicality with audio. Test both receivers first before making a decision..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Thames on Aug 14, 2001 at 05:18 AM
Yeah, sa Megamall ko rin na text yung HK AVR4000, it sounded really GREAT, both for Audio and HT.  Pero Im having second thoughts sa Yamaha RXV 800 (since they are in the same price range 28t to 30t) since mas madami syang added features.  

Thanks for the response muscleboy

Title: Harman/Kardon AVR4000 FAQ
Post by: vacuumtubes on Nov 28, 2001 at 09:35 PM
I wrote to Harman/Kardon Customer Support about AVR4000 OnScreenDisplay topic:

my friend bought the AVR4000 but we cannot use the On-Screen-Display
because it keeps on PalSecam Display when using only an NTSC TV.
Is there any buttons or reset combination to make this OSD be in NTSC signal?
thanx a lot.


And then their reply:

There is unfortunately no remedy for the problem that you have described.

The avr4000 that your friend has is a European model. The on screen display is thus encoded in PAL.

There is a US version of the avr4000 which is designed to be compatible with NTSC tvs. There is no possibility to alter the OSD on a particular model.

Yours Sincerely,
Kevin Finnerty

Customer Support.
HCI

AVR4000 = European Model
AVR310 = American Model


VACUUMTUBES 8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: vacuumtubes on Dec 05, 2001 at 12:34 AM
AVR4000 = European Model = AVR310 = American Model

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/electronics/B000051SDO/tech-data/ref=ase_pinoydvd-20

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000051SDO.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg)


VACUUMTUBES
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Dec 05, 2001 at 05:39 AM
Pare what is the american model for the HK2000?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: robertj on Dec 05, 2001 at 07:35 AM
AVR 110 = AVR 2000
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Dec 05, 2001 at 07:51 AM
Thanks pare
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backmarker on Dec 07, 2001 at 08:38 PM
Meron bang store na nagbebenta ng american model dito? AVR210, AVR310, etc. I'm looking for one...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: vacuumtubes on Dec 07, 2001 at 09:23 PM
MyNameIsWalts,

please try to call this authorized distributor of HARMAN/KARDON here in the Philippines.

BEYOND INNOVATION = 628-1254; 6280865 and ask for Gener

okidoki!
happy hunting and buying! 8)

please don't hesitate to contact us about SYSTEM SET-UP. ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backmarker on Dec 07, 2001 at 10:46 PM
vax, thanks a lot! I gave them a call today and asked the guy Gener if the model that was released in the US had and NTSC OSD. He said that all the OSD's worldwide are in PAL - Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: muscleboy on Dec 07, 2001 at 11:50 PM
guys,
The OSD problem is just a small thing. Anyway, you can always see the settings on its front panel when you make adjustments so no big deal with the OSD. If you're more concerned on this rather than the sound, then by all means get another brand.

According to Hans Tan of Beyond Innovation, they can fix the OSD but the unit should be brought to their shop in Ortigas. I've been in contact before with Roger Ross (Harman/Kardon Prod. manager, asia pacific) and he has sent Hans a solution to the OSD problem.

For me, I'd stick with my Harman AVR4000. If you're only into home theater then any receiver brand would do, but if you're also into audio hifi then I'd suggest you grab a Harman..

BTW, i've demoed an RX-V800 yamaha before but i still bought a Harman. The yammy just didn't sound right on audio (stereo) for me..
Just my 2 cents worth..  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backmarker on Dec 08, 2001 at 12:01 AM
muscleboy, that's the good news I want to hear! :D Thanks!

one other question, what speakers did you use with the HK?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: muscleboy on Dec 08, 2001 at 02:03 AM
mynameiswaltz,
syempre i'm using one of the best speakers available.. Dynaudios!!! i'm using dynaudio audiences 40's for my fronts and the huge dynaudio C120+ as my center speaker..
;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rtsy on Dec 09, 2001 at 09:06 AM
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mynameiswaltz,
syempre i'm using one of the best speakers available.. Dynaudios!!! i'm using dynaudio audiences 40's for my fronts and the huge dynaudio C120+ as my center speaker..
;D


muscleboy,

pareho tayo ng speakers.  what electronics do you use?  i use NAD.  what sub did you match your Dyns to?  i used REL.

i still love 'em.  it'll be some time before i even think of an upgrade.  by getting the dyns, i can now focus my savings to other parts of my system.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: muscleboy on Dec 10, 2001 at 05:34 AM
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muscleboy,

pareho tayo ng speakers.  what electronics do you use?  i use NAD.  what sub did you match your Dyns to?  i used REL.

i still love 'em.  it'll be some time before i even think of an upgrade.  by getting the dyns, i can now focus my savings to other parts of my system.


rtsy, i would have preferred a NAD but I think the price is too much for me. i'm using an Energy EXL-8 as my sub. just sufficient bass for my small room. i'll probably buy a bigger sub when i have the budget, maybe a Dynaudio, M&K, Velodyne, SVS, or a bigger Energy siguro.  

tama ka dyan sa dynaudio, it maybe the last pair of speakers i'll ever use. hehe.. i might buy floorstanders din siguro but i'm 101% sure dynaudio's din ang kukunin ko.

;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: muscleboy on Dec 10, 2001 at 05:41 AM
robertj,
maraming salamat bro for calibrating my system last friday night (hanggang morning hehe) ;D
malaki ang naging improvement esp. sa localization ng left and right channels sa home theater mode. the center delay adjustment did the trick din. pinanood ko tuloy uli yung mga dvds ko to hear the difference.  ;D
makabili nga rin ng SPL meter para anytime i'd try to change things, tama lagi ang measurement.
hats off to you, galing mo brother!!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backmarker on Dec 10, 2001 at 06:50 PM
muscleboy,
Just bought the HK over the weekend, am I must say ang ganda ng SQ niya! Still have to buy though my centers and fronts. Have decided on the Diamond 8.2s; might buy them anytime this week.

12 monkeys, standby muna kayo at kelangan ko pang makabili ng stands before 'you know what'.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: woodie520 on Dec 10, 2001 at 06:55 PM
Uyyy Waltz,

Tamang-tama .. malapit ka lang sa amin.  ;D

woodie520  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Knightro on Dec 10, 2001 at 07:03 PM
Muscleboy,
    The rating of your AVR-4000 is 50W on what impedance, 8 ohms?  And I think Dynaudio speakers have lower sensitivity of, I think 86db or lower.  I'm just concern, what's the setting of your volume dial on reference tone?  And try to watch movies on this setting while monitoring your AVR's heat dissipation.  I did not buy the HK because of its lower power rating and I might be wrong.  My friends were also concern on the rating of Denon to complement lower sensitivity of NHT and AT.  Please comment based on your experience.  Thank you.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: muscleboy on Dec 10, 2001 at 09:48 PM

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Muscleboy,
    The rating of your AVR-4000 is 50W on what impedance, 8 ohms?  And I think Dynaudio speakers have lower sensitivity of, I think 86db or lower.  I'm just concern, what's the setting of your volume dial on reference tone?  And try to watch movies on this setting while monitoring your AVR's heat dissipation.  I did not buy the HK because of its lower power rating and I might be wrong.  My friends were also concern on the rating of Denon to complement lower sensitivity of NHT and AT.  Please comment based on your experience.  Thank you.


knightro,
yep it is rated at 50w at 8 ohms and of course higher at lower impedance levels. since harman is using a high-current design for their receivers, at 50w would be something like 100w or 120w yamaha. hk's get hot but i don't worry about them a lot since high-current designs are usually like this. and because of this, hk's could handle speakers of different sizes and sensitivity levels.
;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: DTS on Dec 10, 2001 at 11:07 PM
Is it possible to know a receivers current rating (not sure if that's the correct term) from its spec sheet?

I am interested in comparing HK vis-a-vis Yamaha.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: vacuumtubes on Dec 10, 2001 at 11:24 PM
DTS,

This is just a sample comparison since you did not specify the exact model to be compared between Harman/Kardon and Yamaha.

Just click the links…..

http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/Specs/?gAVR00010RX-V800

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/electronics/B000051SDO/tech-data/ref=ase_pinoydvd-20


okey! ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: DTS on Dec 11, 2001 at 08:13 PM

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DTS,

This is just a sample comparison since you did not specify the exact model to be compared between Harman/Kardon and Yamaha.

Just click the links…..

http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/Specs/?gAVR00010RX-V800

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/electronics/B000051SDO/tech-data/ref=ase_pinoydvd-20


okey! ;)


Thanks Vax. But what particular spec do I look at in order to know that one receiver is of a higher current than the other?

In short, I'd like to know where I can see (in the specs) HK's so-called High Current design compared to others.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backmarker on Dec 11, 2001 at 08:42 PM
Maybe it's in their website:

http://www.harman-kardon.de
http://www.harmankardon.com

All I know is, I'm a satisfied customer.  8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: DTS on Dec 13, 2001 at 08:02 PM
Up you go!

would really appreciate it if someone can elighten me on my original question below   ???


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Thanks Vax. But what particular spec do I look at in order to know that one receiver is of a higher current than the other?

In short, I'd like to know where I can see (in the specs) HK's so-called High Current design compared to others.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bently on Jan 08, 2002 at 01:57 PM
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Would like to know anyone's comments on Harman Kardon's AVR series (120)(220) receivers. How do these go with JBL's LX series of speakers.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Grail on Jan 10, 2002 at 04:39 AM

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muscleboy,
Just bought the HK over the weekend, am I must say ang ganda ng SQ niya! Still have to buy though my centers and fronts. Have decided on the Diamond 8.2s; might buy them anytime this week.

12 monkeys, standby muna kayo at kelangan ko pang makabili ng stands before 'you know what'.  ;D


hi walts! how much and where did you buy your diamond 8.2s (front/center)? thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backmarker on Jan 10, 2002 at 08:54 PM
Hi Grail! musta na? I bought the 8.2s (front & center) at Tech Central, Makati Cinema Square for P10,500. I also bought 2 pairs of Lovan stands for P2,200ea. Tapos free membership na sa DVD rental nila. Pero I would stay away from their rental kasi nga masungit yung  #^!*@#@*! babae dun!  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 14, 2002 at 10:01 AM
Muscleboy,

  I have a question lang about the AVR 4000. Is there an option for speaker B? Can I use speaker A and B at the same time? Thanks

Levi
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rtsy on Jan 14, 2002 at 07:12 PM
> rtsy, i would have preferred a NAD
> but I think the price is too much for me.

And we read here that AV Driverr overprices their merchandise.  :(

> i'll probably buy a bigger sub when i have
> the budget, maybe a Dynaudio, M&K, Velodyne,
> SVS, or a bigger Energy siguro.  

I'm not fond of Dynaudio subs.  Overpriced.  Add REL to the brands you mentioned.  And PSB for budget subs.

> tama ka dyan sa dynaudio, it maybe the
> last pair of speakers i'll ever use. hehe

Don't let this be your famous last words!  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Grail on Jan 17, 2002 at 05:37 AM

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Hi Grail! musta na? I bought the 8.2s (front & center) at Tech Central, Makati Cinema Square for P10,500. I also bought 2 pairs of Lovan stands for P2,200ea. Tapos free membership na sa DVD rental nila. Pero I would stay away from their rental kasi nga masungit yung  #^!*@#@*! babae dun!  ;D


Thanks walts! musta na rolla mo? OK ba tunog ng wharf mo? i'm planning to buy one kasi medyo mura sya compared sa iba, eh. siguro punta muna ako sa makati square para mag-audition. and ano nga pala impedance rating nya?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: blued on Jan 17, 2002 at 06:30 AM
ok na ba yung issue sa OSD?

kamusta yung mga US model na H/K may nabibilhan ba dito? di ba 100~110 VAC yun.

wala akong naririnig na Asian model na H/K para bagay sa NTSC nating TV.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backmarker on Jan 17, 2002 at 08:22 PM

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ok na ba yung issue sa OSD?

kamusta yung mga US model na H/K may nabibilhan ba dito? di ba 100~110 VAC yun.

wala akong naririnig na Asian model na H/K para bagay sa NTSC nating TV.



Yung issue ng OSD is a not a big thing naman...black and white lang ang screen...that's it; all OSD functions work flawlesly. In fact, when I use the OSD, i just place it in the PIP window.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backmarker on Jan 17, 2002 at 08:31 PM

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Thanks walts! musta na rolla mo? OK ba tunog ng wharf mo? i'm planning to buy one kasi medyo mura sya compared sa iba, eh. siguro punta muna ako sa makati square para mag-audition. and ano nga pala impedance rating nya?


Well to my ears maganda tunog...am not really the expert to judge what is audiophile grade sound or not. Satisfied naman ako pero need to buy a subwoofer pa para oks na oks!  :)

6ohms ang impedance ng mga wharfs.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Apr 20, 2002 at 01:17 AM

Is the AVR2000 the only HK receiver that costs under 20K? If so, what's the current lowest price you found, and where? I think Architectural Audio sells them for 19K++. If you know any lower cos H/K receivers, let me know :)

I was planning to get the Yamaha RX-V420 for like 13-14K, but then I have read about the H/K being much more neutral (uncolored) than the Japanese AVR's. Is it worth getting an H/K receiver over the Yamaha RX-V420? the H/K AVR2000 i thinkhas high-current 40W/channel in HT, while the Yamaha has 65W/channel. How does the high-current, but only 40W H/K compare in volume to the 65++W Yamaha RX-V series?


Repost for MC
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Apr 20, 2002 at 02:33 AM
Repost for footbolero


Any reviews/feedback on the Harman Kardon AVR 3000?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cybermms on Apr 20, 2002 at 12:24 PM
I still have on stock an AVR320RDS if you are interested. I suppose this is an upgraded AVR310. The only problem is my shop is located in Cavite. You can call (046)4713651 or SMS me at (0917)5023760.

Recently, I set-up an AVR5000 + Mission Cinema 72 package + Pioneer DV533. I tell you it was pretty good.

A good feature of AVR5000 is its HDCD decoder. This means you can enjoy your Audio too even by using your DVD player (although to one audiophile it was a crime to use the DVD player for strictly audio playback - but what the heck - it was good on 2 channel stereo playing HDCD discs).

cybermms


Meron bang store na nagbebenta ng american model dito? AVR210, AVR310, etc. I'm looking for one...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: footbolero on Apr 21, 2002 at 12:19 PM
cyber, how much?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cybermms on Apr 21, 2002 at 08:49 PM
H/Kardon price indicator:

  AVR320RDS - P24.8k
  AVR5000     - P35.0k

cybermms


cyber, how much?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: DrPepper on Apr 21, 2002 at 11:56 PM
for those looking for reveiws on HK AVR3000 happened to step on to this review on the net.....check it out  it might help in your decision making

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/frame.html?http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/Amplifiers/HarmanKardon/HarmanKardonAVR3000.shtml
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: DrPepper on Apr 22, 2002 at 12:01 AM
 Here is another one .......from the same website.....


http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/frame.html?http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/Amplifiers/HarmanKardon/HarmanKardonAVR4000.shtml


it beat out most other brands in the test.

heard also that Stereoplay of Germany awarded HK aVR4000 as its multireceiver of the year the same award it gave to HK AVR7000.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: DrPepper on Apr 22, 2002 at 12:04 AM
hey cybermms,

those are great. where did you get it? from the states? will the warranty be covered here?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Mc on Apr 23, 2002 at 10:24 AM
Anong shops ang nag-ca-carry ng H/K aside from Beyond?

cyber: may stocks pa ng AVR110/120 or 210/220?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Apr 23, 2002 at 10:31 AM
Mc,

Beyond is not a store or a dealer, they are the distributor of JBL, Infinity and Harman/Kardon products here.


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Blade on Apr 23, 2002 at 10:55 AM
bro Mc,

2 stores i know that carries Harman/JBL/Infinity products :

Architectural Audio @ New World Hotel, Makati City
Tel. No. : 811-6715
look for Nico

Soundroom @ The Podium, Ortigas Center
Tel. No. : 635-7768
look for Alan

Happy Auditioning  :)


Blade. 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Mc on Apr 23, 2002 at 11:25 AM
Ok dok thanks!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Blade on Apr 23, 2002 at 02:03 PM
attn : bro nico of architecturalaudio

bro just wanna ask if the Harman HD750 cd player has "stable platter" technology OR "super suspension for ultimate stable playback"?
thanks man. :)


Blade. 8)


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cybermms on Apr 24, 2002 at 09:01 PM
Dr. Pepper,

Yes, warranty available from my local source. After sales service for this brand is pretty good at least from the limited models I have sold so far.

cybermms

hey cybermms,

those are great. where did you get it? from the states? will the warranty be covered here?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jul 13, 2002 at 09:50 PM
Reposting for Madrigal


To all present Harman Kardon Owners preferably the AVR-2000,3000,4000  
5.1 channel recievers.

This units are rated at 40w x 5 to 50w x 5 high current in the higher models.
Does it really play loud and powerful like a 75watt 30*yamaha, 1602 denon or 500 onkyo?

Please tell me how harman kardon can say 40Watts and sound like a 100Watts

Heard a HK avr4000 and was impressed with it.  
I also liked the Yamaha 430  bec it is cheap with decent features. and a 75W rating (daw)


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Jul 13, 2002 at 11:49 PM
Madrigal,

Here's an analogy why high current is important (this has already been mentioned here before):

8 penlight batteries total to 12volts right?  A car battery is also rated 12 volts right?  Given the same voltage of 12, which between the two would you use to start your car? The penlight battery or the car battery? The latter of course.  The reason, because it has more current!!!

Same with amplifiers, the more current, the more power output it can provide.  

It is also important to note that not all power ratings disclosed by the manufacturers are based on the same methodology.  For example, Harman/Kardon's power ratings are usually based on the entire frequency range of 20Hz-20kHz, while some Japanese brands power ratings are based only on the frequency range of 1Khz.  So basically, you end up comparing apples to oranges.  

Another very important aspect to know is that power ratings that are normally disclosed are based only on a specific resistance, usually 8 ohms.  But in reality, speaker impedance flucutates invariably.  The lower the impedance, the more current it requires of the amplifier.  Therefore, the higher the current the amplifier can produce, the better.

This has already been discussed here in greater detail but it seems that the search engine is not functioning properly.  So perhaps, you can ask the moderators to direct you to the appropriate threads.

Good luck.







Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: madrigal on Jul 14, 2002 at 10:24 AM
To Architectural Audio:

Thanks for that high current enlightenment....!!!!

Will Visit you in your store at New World Hotel.  If you can give me a fair price for a Harman, then I'll buy it there.
Upscale Audio gave me a 15% discount on the Avr 2000.  Cash purchase.

Thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Jul 28, 2002 at 02:04 AM
beginner question lang po, my friend has an avr2000 receiver and he wants to use 6 ohm speakers...is this perfectly ok? no risks of harming the amp or something? thanks !
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Jul 28, 2002 at 10:26 PM
Japjag,

We have used the AVR2000 with speakers rated at 6ohms.   It certainly is capable of driving speakers at this rating, even speakers at 4ohms as long as the room is sized small to medium.

Regards,

Architectural Audio
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Jul 29, 2002 at 04:09 AM
thanks for the reply! I'm just concerned that if you turn up the volume higher than reference levels using 6 ohm speakers baka masira yung amp.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Jul 29, 2002 at 09:53 AM
Architectural audio,
When is the availability of the HKAVR5500 and AVR8500?

thanks,
ariel
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Jul 29, 2002 at 11:25 AM
Ariel,

Like any manufacturers, h/k will the ship the newer models when the inventory of the older models have almost diminished.  We suspect that this will happen in 3 months time.  We will keep you posted.

Regards,

Architectural Audio
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Jul 29, 2002 at 03:10 PM
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Ariel,

Like any manufacturers, h/k will the ship the newer models when the inventory of the older models have almost diminished.  We suspect that this will happen in 3 months time.  We will keep you posted.

Regards,

Architectural Audio


thanks Architectural Audio
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Aug 23, 2002 at 01:01 AM
Bringing this up for new members. Thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Aug 23, 2002 at 07:53 AM
Just curious, san pwedeng ipaservice ang harman kardon na receiver pag nagkaproblema?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: tigerclaw on Aug 24, 2002 at 07:23 AM
Bought my HK AVR4000 from Upscale Audio-Makati and the employees there have been helpful to me.

After a careful evaluation of its overall performance and value, I would say that I definitely made the right choice.  It really sounds outstanding in both music and movies.  For music, the HK reproduced Massenet's Navarraise (classical) and David Benoit's When She Believes to my full satisfaction.  As regards movies, it reproduced the Omaha landing scene of Saving Private Ryan with relative ease.  Thus, I would very much recommend this receiver (performance wise) to anyone.

Anent the issue of weaknesses, I found that the OSD has been set at PAL format and that the featured pre-programmed learning remote is not really learning anything from my other remote control.  I will discuss herein below the remedial measures one HK owner may undertake, to wit:

a.  OSD issue.  In my case, I went to Upscale Audio Makati (where I bought it) to fix my OSD settings.  People there are really accomodating especially Nanie and Merrill.  Nanie helped me in setting my receiver setup via OSD by plugging my receiver to their projector which is multi system.  Thereafter, I am assured that my settings are conformable to my preference.

b.  Remote problem.  Merrill of Upscale Audio helped me on this.  Just gave him recently my remote and he said that he will personally bring the remote control to the distributor to check the learning capability.  Further, Merrill said that the disrtributor usually replaces the remote if it is really found that the remote does not really learn anything, like in case.  I will post my comments later once I get a response from them.

Hope my comment will be helpful.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: arnoldc on Aug 31, 2002 at 11:05 PM
i auditioned the AVR5000 + Infinity Kappa 200 combination at Architectural Audio earlier and it sounded really good. as far as home theater is concerned, based on what i heard, this combination is more to my liking than Denon 2802 + Energy Connoisseur C-3 combination on the specific Hotel California track on Hell Freezes Over.

also the HK 670 + Infinity Kappa 200 produced stereo music that is detailed, alive and airy. excellent tight bass.  it played Rammstein (Triple X soundtrack) as good as it did on the Kitaro.  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: tigerclaw on Sep 01, 2002 at 08:22 AM
Just want to reply on the remote problem of the HK AV Receiver.

Should you encounter any problem regarding the learning capability of the remote control, you can give it back to the dealer and they will have one of Beyond Innovation's staff to check it.  If determined, they will replace it no questions asked.  This happened in my case regarding the HK AVR-4000 I bought from Upscale Audio.  There is a Beyond Innovation (BI) sales staff assigned full-time assigned from the regulars.  Once I opened the issue, he (i.e., Merrill) courteously asked me to just leave the remote and he will personally deliver it to BI for checking.  True enough, after about a week, they replaced the remote and I am quite satisfied since it already controls my HT setup.  .

To all who are thinking to buy an HK receiver, I would very recommend one since it will very much satisfy your sonic taste.  However, if you actually buy one, automatically ask the staff to demo the learning capability of the remote.  If the remote does learn, by all means buy it.  You will not be disappointed.

When I buy my AVR-4000, I made a side by side comparison with the Denon (I forgot if it was the 2802) driving two small PSB satellites.  After the comparison, the overall value of the HK exceeds the Denon.  Note that the price is very much a factor.  As regards the sound reproduction, a 192/24 DA converter really matters.  It makes the difference.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Sep 01, 2002 at 09:07 AM
I can attest to the sonic qualities of the h/k, although I only own an avr2000, it sounds way better than amps in the similar price range (~17k) pair it with high sensitivity speakers and you will be rewarded  ;) Oh and I just love the way you can turn the volume up withoun noticing any distortion. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: tigerclaw on Sep 01, 2002 at 03:13 PM
So john5479, you're also one proud owner of an HK AV Receiver.  Good thing we made the right choice.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Sep 01, 2002 at 04:16 PM
Yup! can't wait to hear the newer models for h/k. 5.1 is enough for me for now because there are still enough 6.1 encoded dvd's to warrant an upgrade..maybe next year..I guess you know what's the first brand i'll audition   ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cvthunder on Sep 02, 2002 at 04:28 PM
i also love the kappa 200 even with the "less powerful" avr 2000 driving them.  i think it is a great match for the h/k recvrs & the 670.  i've auditioned more expensive combinations that doesn't sound as good (to my ears) as the h/k + kappa.  

however, i feel that the center speaker is a bit expensive though probably justified if it's used with the floorstanders.  i wish infinity builds a less expensive center channel speaker in the kappa line.

btw, i heard them at architectural audio too-- great shop manned by great people :)





Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: madrigal on Sep 04, 2002 at 12:15 PM
Hello,
  I own an avr4000 too.   I just don't know but I am not fully satisfied with it.
My tv room is not that big but in watching dvd's, I can turn the volume up to full level at "0"
with speakers of 89 sensitivity.  
  Really, I think you h/k avr owners know that this reciever is not really that powerful unless you have a small room.
The only good thing i did with it is that I made it into a 7.1 (simulated) by hooking up an external  4 channel
adcom 60watt amp.   Now, mas pronounced ang surround effects in the room.    I will never go back to the usual 5.1 again.
   Anyway, I like how the h/k looks and I hate the japanese designs specially those gold casings.

Have you heard the NAD av recievers?  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Sep 04, 2002 at 01:28 PM
I think most of the h/k owners here know well about the power rating of the receivers they bought  :) I just noticed that they (me included) liked the musical quality of h/k receivers plus the more powerful models are quite expensive..but you get what you paid for. Anyway I dont see a lot of receivers that can reach the end of its volume level without noticeable distortion. Yup NAD is great sounding..but the problem is the parts when it breaks down. Oh and whenI asked avdriver inshangrila the price they quoted me for a nad receiver was close to 50 thou :o
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cvthunder on Sep 04, 2002 at 01:43 PM
when i was looking for a receiver, i narrowed my search down to the h/k and nad.  unfortunately, i find the nad's a bit expensive in the phils and AVDI didn't have the T741, the particular model i was interested in-- the other models are way beyond my budget.  so i went for the avr 2000 (my room is small) despite the fact the i prefer the sound of the nad recvr that i've heard.


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Sep 04, 2002 at 09:25 PM
cvthunder: yup the nad receivers sound great! too bad they are scarce and expensive here in pinas.Still  the h/ks are not too shabby for the price i paid  ;D  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: madrigal on Sep 05, 2002 at 07:27 AM
Hello,
   Yup,  those NAD recievers sound real great.   It has body compared the H/K which I think lacks a bit of bass.
Sobrang mahal talaga sa AV driver.  Anyway, sa states close to $1,000 ang t751 or near  P50,000 na din.
    Siguro mura sa Hong Kong.     Kung may looting sa shangrila, sigurado na sa AV driver na ako with an NAD reciever or those proceeds
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: d0ubletap on Sep 05, 2002 at 06:21 PM
mad:

i tried the nad t760 and rotel rsx-965 in singapore last weekend. previous models yata sila kaya they were selling it real low-both of them were selling it for less than 20k... grabe, weird yung sensation when i tried it out, bordering on hypnotic!

anyway, i could only afford the marantz kaya yun nabili ko... kala ko kasi di na ko kakabalik don... it turns out na pinapabalik ako don and this time for gud... now im selling my new marantz so i can get the nad when i go back!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Sep 05, 2002 at 06:49 PM
hmmnn maybe I'll go to singapore when I plan to upgrade my receiver hehehe ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: madrigal on Sep 06, 2002 at 10:30 AM
Really?
 the NAD's are in the 20's only?

 As I read in the singapore magazine STUFF, popular nga ang NAD doon.  That is probably
the largest Asian market since madaming mayaman doon as compared to the Phils na 3rd world.
 
  Tahimik na ako pag naka NAD AV receiver ako.
  Na-iinis na ako sa Harman 4000 ko.  Di ako kontento talaga.  maganda pa ang tunog ng luma kong Adcom amp.
 
  In fairness, di din ako nagagandahan sa sound ng any denon, onkyo, ymaha, marantz or even the old nakamichi  

Like ko ang NAD, Proceed separates, McIntosh separates, Rotel av receiver.
It sounds the way it should sound.  You seldom adjust its settings kasi maganda na to start with.



Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: d0ubletap on Sep 06, 2002 at 01:14 PM
mad: actually more like 18-19k... the shop that i went to didn't have the newer models yet, indi ko na rin tiningnan sa ibang shops kasi mahal yata yung retail price nung newer models...

kaya i cant wait to go back... papatulan ko na yung nad t760 kahit walang dpl2
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Sep 06, 2002 at 01:51 PM
doubletap: for me dpl2 is not much of a leap for me since I found the logic7 decoding found in my h/k receiver better. But you are right, once you get back to singapore buy the NAD right away, its a steal for that price and take good care of it...you don't want to spend sleepless nights waiting for it to get repaired once it conks out for some reason  ;D Now if only they would sell the h/k receivers for less  ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: d0ubletap on Sep 06, 2002 at 02:59 PM
doubletap: for me dpl2 is not much of a leap for me since I found the logic7 decoding found in my h/k receiver better. But you are right, once you get back to singapore buy the NAD right away, its a steal for that price and take good care of it...you don't want to spend sleepless nights waiting for it to get repaired once it conks out for some reason  ;D Now if only they would sell the h/k receivers for less  ::)

john5479: unfortunately parang walang ganon yung nad, meron EARS, pero pang music ata yun... try ko ulit both the nad and rotel, pero im leaning towards the nad...

alam mo kung ano weird? the new model h/k avr 2500 costs much more than the old model nad/rotel! parang ang taas ng price nung h/k, around P30k ata pag na-convert... o baka niloloko lang ako nung isa don, hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: madrigal on Sep 06, 2002 at 07:20 PM
to doubletap:

Do you frequent Singapore?  They have the latest electronics there. Di ko lang alam kung mura talaga dyan oir sa Hong Kong.    

Pabili naman ng NAD AV receiver too,  kahit nakakahiya naman sa yo.  bayaran ko na lang yung abala sa pag-dala
kasi I know it is heavy.

Ty
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: d0ubletap on Sep 06, 2002 at 07:49 PM
madrigal: actually first time ko sa singapore last weekend, a prospective employer asked me to fly in for an interview so i obliged (libre eh!)... i was in hk for a year nung 1999-2000, and i tell u, maganda bili ng stuff sa sing, kakatakot kasi sa hk, dami manloloko...

we'll see... pag mapauwi ako ng madalas eh try ko bili ng nad mo... pwede ba yung new model nila na low-end? 10kg lang kasi yun, yung iba (both new and old) puro mabibigat, hehehe... 18-19k yung nad t760 na nakita ko, benta ko sayo ng 29k gusto mo? hehehe, biro lang...

pm me ur email para i can keep u posted...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Sep 06, 2002 at 08:55 PM
doubletap: All i'm saying is if your just buying a receiver just for dpl2 its not much of a big improvement, go for the NAD, about the h/k 2500 being more expensive, please take note its new. you shouldn't be surprised if the older NAD and rotels cost less..ganon sa singapore once a newer one comes out, the older models are now priced lower, so take advantage of the price difference if you don't mind sticking to 5.1 for now. baka naman me makita kang h/k avr5000 or avr7000 na 20k plus din balitaan mo naman ako hehehe  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: d0ubletap on Sep 07, 2002 at 12:17 AM
john: pm me ur email so i can keep u posted, i intend to spend a lot of time sa a/v stores sa simlim, hehehe... kakatuwa kasi don, more than 2 floors ata yun dedicated sa a/v, the rest o the floors eh computer stuff na...

mads: dont forget to pm ur email. let u know kung merong way para mapadala ko yung gusto mo. dati sabi ng fren ko ginagawa nila via balikbayan box-style na courier, cheaper than dhl/fedex kasi around SG100 (P3000) ata... di ko lang sure kung pwede sa eqpt yun, baka ma-damage... or if ur willing to spend xtra, dhl/fedex/ups might be the way to go... i remember u were the one who advised me about the h/k, marantz and other alternatives to onkyo/yamaha... dati kasi yamaha kunin ko... :-D

teka, baka mapamahal ka, magkano ba yung nad t760 dito?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Sep 07, 2002 at 12:33 AM
sent u a pm doubletap, keep me posted sa h/k avrs :) mahal yung NAD receivers dito 40k up  :-\
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: madrigal on Sep 07, 2002 at 04:25 PM
to doubletap:
  Really, I advised a Harman Kardon?  Siguro, depends
 kung ano ang other choices mo.   Ako kasi, I experienced a  lot of japanese receivers such as
Yamahas, denon, also pioneer.  I liked the sound of the H/K but the NADs sound best.
  The NADs lang are out of my price range.  Locally, it is in the 50s here sa shangrila yata.
  Di ko na inambisyon bumili nito since it would be impractical.   Would rather buy Hi end speakers
that does not become obsolete easily.
  Ako kasi, I bought those Yamaha pro logic rxv670  years ago for about 28T .  ngayon, wala nang halaga.


Anyway, on hold mo muna yung pabili ko since it might cost a lot.   Just post here how much those nice
receivers are in Singapore so we will all have an idea

  ty
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: madrigal on Sep 07, 2002 at 09:56 PM
Hello doubletap:
    Sorryy, kulit ko.   I went to AV driver today (saturday) to check out the NAD t760.
It is the old model now replaced by the t761 and the t752 (7.1) or the t751 but av driver does not have it.
     They are selling it for P52,800 less 5% discount. !!!!!!!    siguro more than a year na naka display ito doon since
whenever I go to shang, I go there to make isyoso.  Hindi pa rin nabibili kasi ang taas ng markup nila.
      Naku, If you said that it is really 18-19 thousand lang then bibili na ako.     Kahit na magbayad ng konti sa
shipping, mura pa din.  Or kung may mabait dyan na dadalhin ito papauwi sa Pilipinas for a reasonable cost???
      Puede ba yon?     ;D          

Txt me at 0919-5941655   Thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: d0ubletap on Sep 08, 2002 at 04:32 PM
mad: mahal ah, considering na display unit sya...

yung newer models eh expensive pa yata, even in singapore. yung msrp yata (not sure) nung cheapest model (t741) is around $1,000 pa...

btw, already sent u a txt msg, usap na lang tayo sometime...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: zaldi on Jan 10, 2003 at 05:20 PM
Pre, luma na ang AVR4000.  newest models i heard in the market are AVR1550 (PHP18,900.00), AVR2550 (PHP20,500.00) and AVR3550 (PHP24,990.00).  check these models around.

my brother is HK fanatic.  super idol niya ang HK that's why i got HK latest updates from him.  he said he saw these models at spectra in park square 1 and in the soundroom in podium.  you can also try to drop digital dreams in sm north edsa cyberzone if you're from the north.  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jan 11, 2003 at 10:52 PM
Pre, luma na ang AVR4000.  newest models i heard in the market are AVR1550 (PHP18,900.00), AVR2550 (PHP20,500.00) and AVR3550 (PHP24,990.00).  check these models around.

Plus 15% to 17% discount.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jazzyjayt on Jan 12, 2003 at 02:24 PM
Got the AVR 2550 yesterday from Architectural Audio at New World.  Excellent customer service!  Spent nearly half an hour hearing it out, and didn't think twice about buying it.  Very competitively priced too -- if you tell them you're a PinoyDVD member!  The owners are very friendly, I even met member Meowpow there (hanging out and looking for more stuff to buy?   :D)

The 2550 is more than enough for my 40w speakers, even on negative volume setting.  Very good bang for buck, and it would probably last several upgrades!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jan 13, 2003 at 02:04 PM
Congrats on your purchase, jazzyjayt.

Care to share how much did you pay for it? You may PM me.

And please post your personal review regarding the oustanding H/K 2550.

Thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ants on Jan 14, 2003 at 12:42 AM
Pre, luma na ang AVR4000.  newest models i heard in the market are AVR1550 (PHP18,900.00), AVR2550 (PHP20,500.00) and AVR3550 (PHP24,990.00).  check these models around.


prices went up..got my 2550 for 17K last december..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Uchie on Feb 22, 2003 at 01:47 AM
we got the avr 3550 for 20 grand lng ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Feb 22, 2003 at 03:55 AM
sir uchie,

Congrats sa bago mong AVR3550, ;D

how do you find it? ???

mas okey ba ang brand na ito kesa Denon 1803?  ???what's the difference ???  And  if you happen to know the price of their AVR4000 ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Uchie on Feb 24, 2003 at 01:29 AM
Looks good sounds even better ;D

The 1st week we bought it, nagaagawan kmi ni erpats kung cno mauuna gumamit dahil sarap manood tsaka makinig nd cd's.

pero i think mas gaganda pa 2nog nya pag tagal, di pa namin masyado tinotodo break in palang bago palang pati speakers 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Feb 24, 2003 at 01:47 AM
Looks good sounds even better ;D


Couldn’t agree more...

Anong speaker ang pinares mo sa H/K 3550?
Have you tried playing MP3s at 192kbps and above bitrate with H/K, care to post your findings?

Thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Feb 27, 2003 at 11:19 AM
I auditioned the HK5500..and sa lahat nang inaudition ko Onkyo TXSR600, Marantz SR5300, Denon 1803 da best yung HK..kaya if ur budget is 34k for receiver go get ur self the HK5500 yun nga lang ull need a separate amp to make it 6.1 or 7.1
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nerveblocker on Feb 27, 2003 at 12:09 PM
I auditioned the HK5500..and sa lahat nang inaudition ko Onkyo TXSR600, Marantz SR5300, Denon 1803 da best yung HK..kaya if ur budget is 34k for receiver go get ur self the HK5500 yun nga lang ull need a separate amp to make it 6.1 or 7.1

Maganda ang tunog paired with what speakers?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Feb 27, 2003 at 12:27 PM
i made a side by side comparison between hk5500 and denon 1803, and i must say na talagang satisfied ako sa tunog ng harman. for me iyung denon is a little brighter than yamaha but iyung harman it's warm. iyung di ba masakit sa tenga? lalo mo pang lalakasan para di ka mabitin. we tested it using b&w 601S3 at architectural audio. naubos nga ang incentive ko dito but it's really worth it. di ka magsisisi. my next target is to buy cd's na puro vocals para magamit ko ng husto iyung unit ko.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Feb 27, 2003 at 01:03 PM
I auditioned the HK5500..and sa lahat nang inaudition ko Onkyo TXSR600, Marantz SR5300, Denon 1803 da best yung HK..kaya if ur budget is 34k for receiver go get ur self the HK5500 yun nga lang ull need a separate amp to make it 6.1 or 7.1

Maganda ang tunog paired with what speakers?

Mel,

ehehehe i was so amazed sa narinig ko hindi ko na naitanong kung anong speakers ang gumagana dun sa unahan... tabi tabi kasi yung speakers na nasa unahan eh...i was concentrating dun sa sound na naririnig ko ang naitanong ko eh yung sub na ginagamit nya which is velodyne......denon 1803 kasi tinitingnan ko dun eh..napatingin lang ako nung tumunog na yung harman eehehehehe :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Feb 27, 2003 at 10:53 PM
i just came from architectural audio this afternoon and inquire abt the hk5500 that i ordered pero sabi nila by next week daw ang dating ng mga ito together with the 3550. i already made a reservation and binayaran ko na rin just to make sure na di ko na magagastos ang pera ko na nakalaan para doon.  ;D while i was paying for  for the unit, there is this customer who is looking for a lower model of harman (hk2550). since wala naman akong gagawin sa bahay, nagstay ako to listen on the demo. the result, wala rin akong masabi coz nung una infinity bookshelf speaker ang gamit (not the kappa one). we use it for a dvd demo using only these two speakers. nung piniplay na iyung eagles dvd, i thought they'd also using the subwoofer pero di pala. the bass was tight and the midrange was good. then after using the bookshelf speakers, we use the infinity kappa (not the bookshelf one but the floorstander). it has a built-in subwoofer (passive) and i was surprised that hk2550 was able to drive the floorstander without a sweat considering that hk model was rated only at 40watts but with high current capability. at dahil sa nangyaring ito, lalo yata akong di makakatulog habang inaantay kong dumating iyung unit ko.  :-[ di ko na halos pinansin iyung katabi niyang model na denon which nico says was a higher model of denon. it was a avs something. ang ganda nga coz the cover of the denon was transparent (made of fiberglass). kitang kita iyung loob especially the transformer located at the center of the unit. di ko na naitanong kung magakano iyung denon but i'm very sure di aabot ang budget ko doon. sa laki nga ng receiver na iyon, naging maliit tuloy ang tingin ko doon sa harman. buhay talaga, di na ako makaipon because of this expensive hobby.....  :'(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Feb 27, 2003 at 11:13 PM
sir enygma
bka pede pm mo naman sakin kung kano mo nakuha ang hk mo at anong model 3500 ba or 5500.

tenx ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Feb 27, 2003 at 11:30 PM
sir enygma
bka pede pm mo naman sakin kung kano mo nakuha ang hk mo at anong model 3500 ba or 5500.

tenx ;D

bro, i pm you....  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Feb 27, 2003 at 11:49 PM
enygma,

Pa PM na rin po. Thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Feb 27, 2003 at 11:55 PM
bro enygma,

tenx, na-audition mo rin ba ang denon 1803 so anong sa tingin mo ang okey doon?

newbie kasi ako... at di ko alam kung ano ang kukunin ko HK, Marantz or denon.
 :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Feb 28, 2003 at 12:13 AM
bro enygma,

tenx, na-audition mo rin ba ang denon 1803 so anong sa tingin mo ang okey doon?

newbie kasi ako... at di ko alam kung ano ang kukunin ko HK, Marantz or denon.
 :D

before para kang pinapatulog esp. if your playing jazz

i was able to audition both. first was the hk5500. for audio sound wala akong masabi, tight bass and clear midrange. kahit walang subwoofer and u have a good set of speakers, ang ganda tumunog. as in sabi ko nga before para kang pinapatulog esp. if your playing jazz. all i can say is di masakit sa tenga pakinggan. na kahit lakasan mo ng lakasan, ok pa rin. in movies, ok pa rin but i noticed na di siya bright sounding which is good when your watching movies. dito siya nalamangan ng konti ng denon. denon 1803 for me is a less brighter than my yamaha that i previously owned. yung nga kaagad ang naalala ko when we demoed it. i decided not to continue the demo anymore coz right then i decided na iyung harman na ang kunin ko. aside from the fact that i can also used the harman to drive my old set of floorstanding speakers (sansui) aside from my b&w speakers. nasabi ko nga kanina na iyung 2550 was able to drive a floorstander, mas lalo na iyung 5550. just my observation....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Feb 28, 2003 at 12:27 AM
tenx bro enygma.... ;D ;D

ngayon bias na ko sa hk kesa sa denon.....  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Feb 28, 2003 at 12:31 AM
I'm also planning to upgrade and the hk 5500 is one of the receivers, along with the denon 3803 and pioneer vsx 2011. of the 3 the harman is the cheapest and has the best amps (for me that is) and it uses a torroidal transformer. yun nga lang it doesn't the latest features. Pricewise the harman is the best choice..but the MCACC functionality and 7 amps of the vsx 2011 and the ability to biamp if you only want 5.1 makes me think twice though.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Feb 28, 2003 at 12:39 AM
sir john5479

na audition mo na ba ang vsx2011? binigyan ka rin ba ng quote at saan tenx  qatarman :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Uchie on Feb 28, 2003 at 01:42 AM
how much is the hk 5500?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Feb 28, 2003 at 03:44 AM
qatarman: the vsx-2011 is a little pricey, mas mura sa denon 3803 ng konti ~45k, talagang mas mura yung hk 5500  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Feb 28, 2003 at 04:27 AM
sir john5479

psensiya na sa mga tanong... ;D ;D

have you auditioned it?  anong ka level nya sa mga ibang brand like denon 3803 ka level ba nya iyon.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Blade on Feb 28, 2003 at 08:27 AM
which model of HKs among the 3 (2550 3550 5500) ang katapat ng denon 1803?
thanks...........


bladE. 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Feb 28, 2003 at 08:28 AM
If u have the budget i suggest u buy the HK5500..speechless ako sa narinig ko...although mas mahal ata yung denon 3803 the HK5500 is only 34k
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Feb 28, 2003 at 09:15 AM
advantage of the HK5500 is the pre-out jacks and separate power amp inputs. very useful if one day you want to upgrade to separates.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Feb 28, 2003 at 11:02 AM
which model of HKs among the 3 (2550 3550 5500) ang katapat ng denon 1803?
thanks...........


bladE. 8)

   HK 3550 is within the price range of the 1803. The 5500 is 10T more expensive than the Denon.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jofkevski on Feb 28, 2003 at 01:41 PM
mga bros,
wud like your help and assistance

medyo interesting talaga topic ninyo on HK kaya ito makikihalo na ko sa inyo

I am now looking for an HK 2550, saan meron ito na sold at the cheapest price

attn: jazzyjayt, philander, enygma,
hows your HK purchases, no regrets ba?

saan ang new world where archi audio is, other place to check HK 2550?

advance thanks for your help
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: onedown on Feb 28, 2003 at 01:56 PM
jofkevski, new world hotel is in makati, pasay road corner makati avenue. architectural audio is on the lobby shop. when you're inside the hotel, look for the coffee shop and turn left the hallway and exit at the door at the end of the hallway. the shop is on the right side.

 :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Feb 28, 2003 at 02:01 PM
sir onedown,

saan pede mag park doon?

tenx qatarman :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Feb 28, 2003 at 02:03 PM
jofkevski,

Wala pa akong H/K. I'm planning to buy also (2550 or 3550).

Na audition ko na ang mga receiver from 15K to 30K price range. All I can say is the Harman Kardon is the BEST in overall aspect. At about 40 watts per channel, sa umpisa baka sabihin mo, mahina yan, but it can REALLY drive.

Hear for yourself to believe.

Archi Audio is located at New World Hotel, landmark mo na lang is Glorietta or Greenbelt.

Sa Park Square 1 at Shangrila, may mga Harman/Kardon retailers.

Try to call spectra @ ParkSquare 1
815-5493

About 17K ang 2550 and 20K to 21K ang 3550.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: onedown on Feb 28, 2003 at 02:10 PM
qatarman, lots of options on where to park. new world hotel has a parking facility, but its on the high side. good alternative would be at greenbelt 3. you could also park at greenbelt one, but you would have to walk a little bit farther.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Feb 28, 2003 at 03:10 PM
tenx sir onedown  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jofkevski on Feb 28, 2003 at 04:02 PM
thank you for all your replies guys.

as a matter of correction, i knew the AVR-2550 (or AVR-225 in the USA), is a 5x55Watts in HT and 2x65watts in stereo 2-channel and a big current (28 amp) reserve for peaks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jofkevski on Feb 28, 2003 at 04:50 PM
sori for the previous email.

AVR 2550 is 5x40 in HT and 2x50 in 2ch stereo

isnt this an old model since avr x25 series are out in the market? kaya medyo baba na presyo HK here?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Feb 28, 2003 at 05:10 PM

isnt this an old model since avr x25 series are out in the market? kaya medyo baba na presyo HK here?

No, X25 versions are for US Customers
while the XX50 is for Europe and Asian version.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Feb 28, 2003 at 07:50 PM
nakakainip na talaga. i hope dumating na by next week iyung inorder ko na hk5500. lalo na ngayong kinuha na ng friend ko iyung yamaha ko, and ang gamit ko lang ngayon is a pro-logic receiver.  :'(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Feb 28, 2003 at 08:03 PM
sir enygma anong speakers ang match mo sa 5500 mo?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Feb 28, 2003 at 08:13 PM
sir enygma anong speakers ang match mo sa 5500 mo?

wala pa sa akin iyung hk5500 ko but my speakers are b&w 601s2. buti na lang merong b&w 601s3 sa architectural audio kaya iyun ang ginamit namin sa demo. and since nagandahan ako sa tunog ng harman with the b&w, panatag ang loob ko na matched siya doon sa speaker na na gagamitin ko. i asked nico kung namimili ba ng speaker iyung harman. ang sagot niya is dapat daw ay di namin ipares sa "dull" na speakers. he means the speakers should have good highs.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Feb 28, 2003 at 09:20 PM
tenx sir enygma sa info,

walang distributor kasi ng HK dito sa Qatar eh kya try ko sa kalapit bansa UAE, meron siguro.  Baka sakaling mas mura kumpara diyan. :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Mar 01, 2003 at 01:29 PM
talagang mas mura ang mga receivers diyan sa pinas kesa rito sa mid east....

ive just asked the price of HK5500 in UAE, Dubai and it is a whooping 2970 dirhams = 45,000 pesos......

it's better to buy it from there..... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Uchie on Mar 05, 2003 at 01:44 AM
cge qatarman uwi ka na bili ka ng hk reciever ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Mar 05, 2003 at 09:12 PM
cge qatarman uwi ka na bili ka ng hk reciever ;D
ive tried pare pro di pa available sa archi audio ;D ;D ;D ;D
next week pa raw ang delivery... :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Mar 13, 2003 at 10:13 PM
sir enygma anong speakers ang match mo sa 5500 mo?

wala pa sa akin iyung hk5500 ko but my speakers are b&w 601s2. buti na lang merong b&w 601s3 sa architectural audio kaya iyun ang ginamit namin sa demo. and since nagandahan ako sa tunog ng harman with the b&w, panatag ang loob ko na matched siya doon sa speaker na na gagamitin ko. i asked nico kung namimili ba ng speaker iyung harman. ang sagot niya is dapat daw ay di namin ipares sa "dull" na speakers. he means the speakers should have good highs.

sir enygma, mukhang ilang araw na lang ang paghihintay natin sa hk... dumating na raw at nasa custom na so insiallah by monday nasa archie audio na he he he ;D ;D ;D konting tiis na lang ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jofkevski on Mar 14, 2003 at 03:48 PM
Harman Kardon could really be the best amp (he he he)! Why?

You see, one time, I came across with an internet site which publish review of AVRs, and I quote “the Harman Kardon has a penchant for Class A amplifier”.

So that’s why, I said. So this explains a lot about their specs figure. So if you care, let me explain further.

Class A vs. Class B amplifiers.

Class B amplifiers are the most popular tech of amplifiers. This is manufactured by the majority of brands. Todate, I only encountered HK doing otherwise (class A) and Panasonic about a thing called class H.

Sonically, Class A is very clean (short of saying distortion free). If there is at all distortion figure in HK, it may probably came from its preamp stages (tone controls, processor circuits, etc). Class B (in its raw form) has distortion issue, but the addition of extra preamp stages somehow resolve this figure to the minimum.

However, class A amp are the most inefficient of amplifiers. When you say classB will deliver 50 watts of music power, the power consumed to deliver such music power is almost the same – 50 watts. For class A amplifiers, delivering 50 watts of music power is to consume around 150 watts (actually 200 watts theoretically).

This explains the HK specs. With HK 2550 you have,

Power Consumption 72W idle,580W maximum (2 channels driven)

In idle stereo mode, as in no music being made, HK 2550 will consume 72 watts (preamp plus amp stage).

Let’s say 20% of this is attributed to preamp stages, this makes 58 watts idle power (for both channels).

HK2550 was measured to deliver clean power up to about 73.4 watts (maximum). So if you attain a listening power of say 75 watts – then the consumption will be about 75watts (per channel) x2 (stereo) x 3 (factor of class A) or about 450 watts consumption (using 4 as factor can end you in 600 watts or near the 580 watts in the specs sheet!).

This also explain that upon powering up, HK will get hot even without driving any music (idle) – this is equivalent to the 72watts idle mode.

So, if you have 5 channels in idle mode, then you will have at least 58 watts (per channel idle) x 5 (channels) or roughly 300 watts + 14 watts (attributed to preamp stages) or a total of 314 watts (idle power pa lang to ha). And when you start driving your amp (listen to music) to the amp limit (at 75 watts), you can easily approach the 600watts (with the additional 300 watts or 5channels of 60watts HT mode) .

This also explain why its power supply should be able to handle big currents (note the HCC blitz).


I have a Yamaha vintage (AVR-1000) with switchable class B or Class A amp. Too hot when in class A – but so good a music.

HK & Rotel? HK has the edge in sonics due to its amplifier design but at the expense of more wasted power (300%). So with the Meralco PPA, at least you know how your HK will be affecting your hidden bill. If music is more important than the bill, HK is simply the best – but will cost you more operating it.

Me? Dreaming of owning an HK 3550 - will be used mostly for stereo listening. - ENJOY!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Mar 14, 2003 at 04:03 PM
Yehey, dumadami ang mga Harman Kardon Fanatics.

Harman Kardon Rules!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dexterc on Mar 14, 2003 at 04:08 PM
Yehey, dumadami ang mga Harman Kardon Fanatics.

Harman Kardon Rules!!

Bro what model of HK do you own? Can you also share your reviews? Thanks!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Mar 14, 2003 at 04:19 PM

Bro what model of HK do you own? Can you also share your reviews? Thanks!!

Currently wala pa (I currently owned a Prologic Receiver).

 I just auditioned most of the receivers (except marantz) with the price ranged from 15K to 25K.

And the best to my ears are the H/K Receivers.

I am eyeing for the 3550 model. Probably this coming month of April.

Will post my review.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dexterc on Mar 14, 2003 at 04:22 PM

Bro what model of HK do you own? Can you also share your reviews? Thanks!!

Currently wala pa (I currently owned a Prologic Receiver).

 I just auditioned most of the receivers (except marantz) with the price ranged from 15K to 25K.

And the best to my ears are the H/K Receivers.

I am eyeing for the 3550 model. Probably this coming month of April.

Will post my review.


Ah ok..thanks!! Will be upgrading my receiver too
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Mar 14, 2003 at 07:49 PM
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sir enygma, mukhang ilang araw na lang ang paghihintay natin sa hk... dumating na raw at nasa custom na so insiallah by monday nasa archie audio na he he he ;D ;D ;D konting tiis na lang ;D ;D ;D

qatarman, long time no hear ha.  :) so harman na rin pala ang pinili mo in the end. nagaudition ka pa ba ng ibang a/v receivers aside from harman. comments naman diyan!!! i got a reply from archie audio na nasa customs na nga iyung mga bagong dumating na unit and by early next week na ang dating sa kanila. konting tiis na lang ba? actually, sobrang pagtitiis na talaga dahil almost a month na akong di nakakapanood ng dvd eh because iyung previous unit ko ay nabili na. hehehe what about your speakers? nakabili ka na rin ba?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tango on Mar 15, 2003 at 06:06 PM
   Mga bossing, got a question with u guys.... because, I just went to Architectural Audio today to listen with the h/k.....and grabe! ang galing tumunog...I'm looking to pair it kasi with mission speakers....ok bang combination ito? btw oks din nga pala ang service nila, very accomodating....Thanks a lot Epoy...looking forward to bring my speakers with ur shop one of these days :).    
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Mar 16, 2003 at 12:52 AM
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sir enygma, mukhang ilang araw na lang ang paghihintay natin sa hk... dumating na raw at nasa custom na so insiallah by monday nasa archie audio na he he he ;D ;D ;D konting tiis na lang ;D ;D ;D

qatarman, long time no hear ha.  :) so harman na rin pala ang pinili mo in the end. nagaudition ka pa ba ng ibang a/v receivers aside from harman. comments naman diyan!!! i got a reply from archie audio na nasa customs na nga iyung mga bagong dumating na unit and by early next week na ang dating sa kanila. konting tiis na lang ba? actually, sobrang pagtitiis na talaga dahil almost a month na akong di nakakapanood ng dvd eh because iyung previous unit ko ay nabili na. hehehe what about your speakers? nakabili ka na rin ba?

di pako nakakabili ng speakers eh pro i decided na ke nirvblkr... kso dipako nakakapunta sa kanya dahil sa hk na ito na ketagal tagal dumating ng pinas....  ive called archie kanina at sabi nga ni epoy eh ayaw mag commit ng distributor na by Monday eh lalabas iyon. anyways pag labas noon hopefully by Tuesday eh tatakbo na ko agad ke nirv para ma set up na ang dapat i set up.

nakabili na ko ng tv at dvd (both philips) so hk na lang at speakers then sa susunod na uwi cd player naman.  I saw a 60 cd changer pioneer ata iyon on sale sa qatar di ko mantadaan eh siguro 200-300 bucks iyon.... nag audition ako ng nad sa spectra oks naman then sa megamall marantz naman...  pro iyong mga sales man mismo doon eh nire recommend ang hk kahit wala silang unit noon

oonga months na paghihintay mo.... ako weeks pa lang naman so far so hopefully Monday lumbas na... ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Mar 16, 2003 at 03:30 AM
I heard some missions played on an avr5500 ,no problems driving them, I owned previously an avr2000 which sounded good on diamond 8.1's, kulang lang sa lakas. I now own a NADT752 and matches real well with my speakers  (custom made speakers).

H/K's amps to me sound flat, so the best speakers to pair with them are those with metal dome tweeters para mas ok sa high freqs. this is not to say I don't like em (its a tossup for me between NAD and H/K) its just like in any setup system matching is important. Oh and H/K's receivers can handle difficult loads, the 4 ohm jbl scs 135 when it was used with an onkyo 494 receiver....wala di man lang mag-on yung receiver..the auto-protect circuit prevents it from doing so, but when it was played through an avr 1550...no problems :)

Qatarman: how much is your budget for the speakers ?  
I suggest you have your front and rear as floorstanders try the AA4 speakers from nirvblakr. you can see the pics from this site: http://photos.yahoo.com/nirvblakr , sayang kasi maganda yang avr5500 and it should power those speakers with ease :) why am I confident with that? my NADT752 matches well with the floorstanding speakers I bought from nirvblakr and it can play it loud..real loud  and with bass to boot ;D The h/k 5500's amps should work well also. just my two cents.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tango on Mar 16, 2003 at 08:01 AM
john5479,
 
      Thanks dude for your comments, thats a big help for me before deciding to go for it, pero might go for the lower model, i'm eyeing the h/k3550 medyo tight ang budget eh ;).....thanks again :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Mar 16, 2003 at 11:08 PM

Qatarman: how much is your budget for the speakers ?  
I suggest you have your front and rear as floorstanders try the AA4 speakers from nirvblakr. you can see the pics from this site: http://photos.yahoo.com/nirvblakr , sayang kasi maganda yang avr5500 and it should power those speakers with ease :) why am I confident with that? my NADT752 matches well with the floorstanding speakers I bought from nirvblakr and it can play it loud..real loud  and with bass to boot ;D The h/k 5500's amps should work well also. just my two cents.



bro,
i still don't know what speakers from nirv will i buy.. pro probably nasa 12-15k depends kung lalabas na ang hk this week mula sa customs.  

what do you think is the best floor standing center and rear speakers will pair with hk from nirv?  

tenx sa review mo... learned a lot from it. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Mar 17, 2003 at 11:08 PM
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sir enygma, mukhang ilang araw na lang ang paghihintay natin sa hk... dumating na raw at nasa custom na so insiallah by monday nasa archie audio na he he he ;D ;D ;D konting tiis na lang ;D ;D ;D

qatarman, long time no hear ha.  :) so harman na rin pala ang pinili mo in the end. nagaudition ka pa ba ng ibang a/v receivers aside from harman. comments naman diyan!!! i got a reply from archie audio na nasa customs na nga iyung mga bagong dumating na unit and by early next week na ang dating sa kanila. konting tiis na lang ba? actually, sobrang pagtitiis na talaga dahil almost a month na akong di nakakapanood ng dvd eh because iyung previous unit ko ay nabili na. hehehe what about your speakers? nakabili ka na rin ba?
enygma, just visited archie audio today at ive met nico (veryaccommodating guy).  stayed there for less than an hour hoping na later today ay darating ang hk but to no avail.....  but nico guranteed me na this week definitely lalabas na sa customs.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ginaya na kita binayaran ko na rin since nangako na si nico eh  ;D ;D ;D ;D  insiallah........ before friday makuha ko na then off to nirvblkr for my speakers.... ;D ;D ;D....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Mar 18, 2003 at 07:03 AM
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enygma, just visited archie audio today at ive met nico (veryaccommodating guy).  stayed there for less than an hour hoping na later today ay darating ang hk but to no avail.....  but nico guranteed me na this week definitely lalabas na sa customs.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ginaya na kita binayaran ko na rin since nangako na si nico eh  ;D ;D ;D ;D  insiallah........ before friday makuha ko na then off to nirvblkr for my speakers.... ;D ;D ;D....

hahaha. nagbayad ka na rin pala. baka kasi may mapadaang ibang gustong bumili at maunahan pa tayo noh.  ;D ineexpect natin na darating na tapos nung nandiyan na nabenta naman kaagad at naubos. ang kinalabasan antay tayo ulit. hehehe actually, nung mga time na naghahanap ako ng receiver ng harman, nakakita rin ako ng avr 5500 sa spectra but i decided na sa archie na bumili because of the service that i've got from them. pag napapadaan nga ako sa shop nila to inquire about something, inaabot na ako ng pagsasara ng shop nila dahil sa kwentuhan. last time na nandoon ako ay may nagpademo ng avr 2550. and nakita ko talaga how they treat their customers. superb talaga! kaya nga di na ako nagtataka kung bakit ikaw nagbayad na rin tulad ko.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Mar 18, 2003 at 08:50 PM
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hahaha. nagbayad ka na rin pala. baka kasi may mapadaang ibang gustong bumili at maunahan pa tayo noh.  ;D ineexpect natin na darating na tapos nung nandiyan na nabenta naman kaagad at naubos. ang kinalabasan antay tayo ulit. hehehe actually, nung mga time na naghahanap ako ng receiver ng harman, nakakita rin ako ng avr 5500 sa spectra but i decided na sa archie na bumili because of the service that i've got from them. pag napapadaan nga ako sa shop nila to inquire about something, inaabot na ako ng pagsasara ng shop nila dahil sa kwentuhan. last time na nandoon ako ay may nagpademo ng avr 2550. and nakita ko talaga how they treat their customers. superb talaga! kaya nga di na ako nagtataka kung bakit ikaw nagbayad na rin tulad ko.  ;D ;D ;D
bwe he he he tama ka, isa pang dahilan eh kaya binayaran ko na eh  nagagastos ko lang ang pambili ko.  Magastos ang nakabasyon, puro palabas walang papasok  ;D ;D ;D ;D  tatawag ako bukas ke nico at follow up ko kung may definite date na ang delivery sa archie audio. ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Mar 22, 2003 at 06:37 AM
yehey!!!! just got my new receiver from archie audio yesterday, the hk5500 after a month of waiting.  :) naiset-up ko na last night at buti na lang nagprint ako ng manual sa internet before i got this unit. napagaralan ko ng husto ng isang buwan kaya no problem na naiset-up ko kaagad. mahirap kasi ang user interface ng harman dahil wala kang makikitang schematic diagram sa manual. so if you're a beginner, talagang mahihirapan ka. anyway, just like what i expected grabe ang sound talaga ng harman. i'm now using my sansui floorstander aside from b&w at kahit di ako gumamit ng subwoofer, oks na oks ang bass niya. ang laki ng difference from my previous receiver. and iyung logic 7 niya was a bonus talaga. di na nga ako nakatulog para mabreak-in ko na itong receiver ko. by the way, ubos kaagad iyung apat na hk5500 kahapon sa archie audio. kararating nga lang din nung hapon at wala pang isang oras, ubos na lahat. iyung tatlong unit, kinuha na kahapon including me at iyung isa ngayong araw pa raw kukunin ng may-ari. may parating pang mga unit this week sabi ni nico and iyung 3550 naman daw sa end of this month pa ang dating. so if you're planning to upgrade your receiver, you'll never go wrong with harman.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Superman on Mar 22, 2003 at 02:24 PM
congrats in your new harman receiver, bro. enygma! ;D

enjoy...please post your reviews here for our fellow members...

bro. qatarman, ikaw din ha, advanced congrats!!! ;D

thanks!

superman  8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Mar 22, 2003 at 06:41 PM
congrats in your new harman receiver, bro. enygma! ;D

enjoy...please post your reviews here for our fellow members...

bro. qatarman, ikaw din ha, advanced congrats!!! ;D

thanks!


superman,

i already tested this morning the capability of the hk5500 esp the logic 7, talagang ibang iba with my previous receiver. before when i watched dvd's kailangan ko pang hinaan iyung receiver ko dahil nabibingi na ko while in harman habang nagtatagal lalo siyang gumaganda sa tenga. so imbes na hinaan mo siya, lalo mo siyang lalakasan. it blends well with my sansui floorstander kaya di na ko gumagamit ng subwoofer. hehehe 15" ba naman yung size ng woofer niya. i do have a pair of b&w 601s2 and i use that when i listen to 2 channel stereo only. i'm planning to buy a  banana plug so that i can interchange my speaker with ease since walang a/b selector iyung 5500. maybe next upgrade ko is speaker cable, maybe i'll try ecosse. for now, i'm using ixos 6003. for it's price and performance, hk 5500 is a good choice. i'll post another review after i watched the dvd's and vcd's (to test the logic 7) that i rented today. sabik na akong manood coz sabi ko nga 1 month akong nagantay bago dumating iyung mga bagong stocks ng 5500.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Mar 23, 2003 at 12:40 AM
congrats in your new harman receiver, bro. enygma! ;D

enjoy...please post your reviews here for our fellow members...

bro. qatarman, ikaw din ha, advanced congrats!!! ;D

thanks!

superman  8)

tenx, got mine as well nice meeting you enygma.  congrats at na set up mo na.  me i have not kasi no time din binuksan ko pa lang ang box at binabasa basa ang manual.  you are right enygma hindi ganoon kagaling ang harman sa manual.  ang kapal ng manual nila kala ko intensive ang info iyon pala konti lang  kya kumapal dahil translated sa 100 languages he he he he....

i guess set ko ang hk ko next week na dahil medyo busy rin ako dahil lagi akong tinatawagan ni bush sa plano nila ;D ;D ;D

post ko na lang ang question... definitely meron iyon.


 ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Mar 23, 2003 at 09:40 AM
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tenx, got mine as well nice meeting you enygma.  congrats at na set up mo na.  me i have not kasi no time din binuksan ko pa lang ang box at binabasa basa ang manual.  you are right enygma hindi ganoon kagaling ang harman sa manual.  ang kapal ng manual nila kala ko intensive ang info iyon pala konti lang  kya kumapal dahil translated sa 100 languages he he he he....

i guess set ko ang hk ko next week na dahil medyo busy rin ako dahil lagi akong tinatawagan ni bush sa plano nila ;D ;D ;D

post ko na lang ang question... definitely meron iyon.


 ;D

qatarman,

pre, nice meeting you too. thanks fro the free ride at napadali ang uwi ko nung hk5500 ko.  :) actually, nung binuksan ko nung friday iyung box titingnan ko lang sana iyung remote and then iyung manual at isesetup ko na lang kinabukasan. e hindi ako mapagtulog that time at naiinip na rin ako so ang ginawa ko isinet-up ko na rin ng gabing iyon. hehehehe  ;D alam mo naman na gipit na rin ako sa oras sakaling matuloy ako sa pupuntahan ko. buti ka every other month mapapagsawaan mo ang new "baby" mo. hahahaha tungkol nga pala sa pagseset-up mo, sakaling may tanong ka, i-pm mo na lang ako or just text me na lang para mapadali ang sagot ko. kaya siguro ayaw mo pang iset-up dahil gusto mo isabay mo na dun sa b&w speakers na inorder mo para isang bagsakan na lang. hehehehe ang tindi ng set-up mo ha.  :o :o :o siguradong matagal bago ka magaupgrade ulit.  ;D
isa nga pala beacause of hk5500 i was able to find out that one of my cd is an HDCD.  :o considering na binili ko pa ito 3 years ago. tinitingan ko kasi iyung display when i noticed na naka-on iyung HDCD instead of the PCM which is magdidisplay if you're playing a regular cd. so what i did tiningnan kong mabuti iyung cover ng ng cd and whoa! may HDCD na nakalagay doon. kaya pala i noticed na naiiba iyung dynamics nung sound na nilalabas ng cd na iyon compared sa mga previous cd na naiplay ko. my question is mas mahal ba iyung mga cd na HDCD compared to a regular cd?  ??? kasi the price of that cd is the same as of a regular cd. kung pareho rin lang, i would definitely buy HDCD's!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Mar 23, 2003 at 10:18 PM
no probs enygma, nawa matuloy ka na... dre maganda roon. if you need a help also just call me at the office... you got my number.

psensiya na at di kita naihatid sa mas malapit or sa inyo mismo  :D :D medyo guilty nga ako dahil mabigat ang daladala mo noon.

anyways,,,, medyo made delay ang bili ko ng b&w kay nico dahil sinabon na ako ni misis so what i did i ordered bookshelves and center kay nirvblkr at bukas ko na ng monday makukuha.  

siguro by late may or early june na ang bili ko mukhang mapapayagan na ako ni kumander by that time. ;D ;D ;D

enjoy sa bago mo rin baby. ill text you pag set up ko tom. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Mar 27, 2003 at 12:01 AM
galeng talaga ng hk ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  .... kahapon break in ko ang speakers na supplied ni nirvblkr.... todo ko ang volume to plus ten......  buong kalye sa subd. namin nayanig ;D ;D ;D...  (galeng din ng speakers ni nirv.......).....

nagulat nga ako dahil kinabukasan may nag ring ng door bell namin na kapitbahay ko at nanghihiram ng mga audio cds ko.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

though medyo frustrated ako sa philips dvd 580m (ht in a box) well since it comes along with 5 sattelite speakers at sub although may digital out (coax at optic) disable naman daw sabi sa technical team ng philips at kailangan i upgrade using some software.  >:( >:( >:(

so kailangan pumunta na sa makati at dalhin sa kanilang service center ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Mrs. T on Mar 27, 2003 at 12:10 AM

nagulat nga ako dahil kinabukasan may nag ring ng door bell namin na kapitbahay ko at nanghihiram ng mga audio cds ko.   ;D ;D ;D ;D


Buti na lang ganoon pala ang kailangan nila.. akala ko magrereklamo dahil sa speakers mo...  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Mar 27, 2003 at 12:14 AM

nagulat nga ako dahil kinabukasan may nag ring ng door bell namin na kapitbahay ko at nanghihiram ng mga audio cds ko.   ;D ;D ;D ;D


Buti na lang ganoon pala ang kailangan nila.. akala ko magrereklamo dahil sa speakers mo...  ;D
;D ;D ;D

akala ko rin iyon eh pero sinilip ko muna nang makita kong di kasama ang presidente o kagawad ng aming subd. association eh hinarap ko na :D :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nerveblocker on Mar 28, 2003 at 05:23 PM
Qatarman- I'm glad you are enjoying your HT now and with a good speaker to receiver combi.  

Kulang nalang sub and surround speakers and you are in HT nirvana! ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: bunkieboy on Mar 29, 2003 at 02:39 PM
a friend of mine just got into the HT hobbie and got himself one of those HK packages sold by Archi Audio. the set was matched with JBL speakers. the combo sounded great!

anyone else using JBLs with a Harman?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Mar 29, 2003 at 10:16 PM
my cousin owns an avr2000 and using jbl studio series speakers and a pb10 sub  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: bunkieboy on Mar 30, 2003 at 02:12 PM
same receiver my frirends using.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Dracula on Mar 31, 2003 at 09:33 AM
a friend of mine just got into the HT hobbie and got himself one of those HK packages sold by Archi Audio. the set was matched with JBL speakers. the combo sounded great!

anyone else using JBLs with a Harman?

Yung package ba na binili ng friend mo is yung jbl scs 178 and which harman receiver? how much?

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: bunkieboy on Mar 31, 2003 at 03:00 PM
not too sure which jbl model. its the light colored finish ones that are about 10 inches tall lang. will check with him also to verify the model.

the sub is small but provides adequate punch for movie viewing
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 03, 2003 at 04:32 PM
i saw a harman kardon 3000 here in qatar on sale around 900 riyals == USD 246.

I don't know if it's a good catch ???
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 03, 2003 at 08:32 PM
i saw a harman kardon 3000 here in qatar on sale around 900 riyals == USD 246.

I don't know if it's a good catch ???

pre mukhang puro harman na lang ang tinitingan mo diyan ha. hk fanatic ka na rin tulad ng iba kasama na ako. hehehehe   ;D ;D iyung hk3550 sa archie audio cost about 20k plus so ok na rin siya sa price niya. kung pamimiliin mo ako between yamaha 430 and hk3000, i'll pick the hk pa rin.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: symon on Apr 04, 2003 at 08:45 AM
Just bought an HK AVR2550 from Archi. I was just able to set-up the connections last night, later yun system config, hehehehe, can't wait na for tonight!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 04, 2003 at 09:41 AM
Just bought an HK AVR2550 from Archi. I was just able to set-up the connections last night, later yun system config, hehehehe, can't wait na for tonight!

hope you enjoy you new toy just like me. i heard the hk2550 paired with infinity kappa 400 and it sounded so good. also got my hk5500 from archi audio.  :D
Title: Newbie here. Harman Kardon AVR320
Post by: jpadua on Apr 04, 2003 at 09:47 AM
Hello, I'm all new to this Audiophile stuff.  I'm in the market for an A/V reciever, and I think I'm falling in love with all the Harman Kardon Stuff... I went to this store selling amps and speakers in Podium (forgot the name), and said that they were recieving a new shipment of HKs its about 22k but he' priced it to me at 18.5k  I think it was the AVR320... not sure though I all I know is that it has a 3 in there somewhere.  I have an old Pioneer Dolby PL A/V reciever with Infinity center speakers, JPW FL FR and RR RL.  I'm really considering to upgrade to this HK amp! any tips? I'm getting all to excited. I want to upgrade my AV reciever!!!
Title: Re:Newbie here. Harman Kardon AVR320
Post by: Kings on Apr 04, 2003 at 10:32 AM
Hi jpadua. I think this post should be in the Home Theater : Audio thread, instead of here. This thread is for buying and selling of miscellaneous (i.e., non-DVD) stuff. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 04, 2003 at 10:39 AM
i saw a harman kardon 3000 here in qatar on sale around 900 riyals == USD 246.

I don't know if it's a good catch ???

pre mukhang puro harman na lang ang tinitingan mo diyan ha. hk fanatic ka na rin tulad ng iba kasama na ako. hehehehe   ;D ;D iyung hk3550 sa archie audio cost about 20k plus so ok na rin siya sa price niya. kung pamimiliin mo ako between yamaha 430 and hk3000, i'll pick the hk pa rin.  ;D ;D ;D
oo nga eh puro HK nasa isip ko eh.  lahat ng store na tiningnan ko rito hinahanap ko harman kardon eh.  actually demo unit iyon at mukhang mapapababa pa ng 700 riyals little less than 200 dollars.  Kako sa kasamahan ko kunin na eh so babalikan nya this week. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 04, 2003 at 10:41 AM
Just bought an HK AVR2550 from Archi. I was just able to set-up the connections last night, later yun system config, hehehehe, can't wait na for tonight!
pre congrats and welcome to hk club. ;D  ;D  enjoy your new baby?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Uchie on Apr 04, 2003 at 10:53 AM
a friend of mine just got into the HT hobbie and got himself one of those HK packages sold by Archi Audio. the set was matched with JBL speakers. the combo sounded great!

anyone else using JBLs with a Harman?
dude kmi, hk 3550 jbl scs138
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: symon on Apr 04, 2003 at 11:14 AM
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pre congrats and welcome to hk club. ;D  ;D  enjoy your new baby?  ;D ;D ;D

Thanks man! tamang tama, long weekend! hehehe :)
Title: Re:Newbie here. Harman Kardon AVR320
Post by: Philander on Apr 04, 2003 at 11:15 AM
I think it's a H/K 3550 (20.5K) or a H/K 2550 (17.5K).

H/K 125, 225 & 325 are not available here in the Philippines.

Anyway, you may try these threads for guidance:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=1693

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=6728

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=6653

Welcome to PinoyDVD.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 04, 2003 at 11:19 AM
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Thanks man! tamang tama, long weekend! hehehe :)

mapupuyat ka na araw araw niyan. baka isang linggo lang mabreak-in na yan dahil i'm sure panay rent ka ng dvd niyan. hehehehe  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 04, 2003 at 11:32 AM
hey since the hk5500 has only 5 built in amplifiers, how much is an amplifier if I want to make it 6.1 or 7.1?
Title: Re:Newbie here. Harman Kardon AVR320
Post by: cybermms on Apr 04, 2003 at 04:38 PM
There's an HK AVR320 RDS which is a European model. Its power output is 55watts X 5, with pre-outs for all channels and 6 channel inputs.

cybermms
Title: Re:Newbie here. Harman Kardon AVR320
Post by: Philander on Apr 04, 2003 at 05:11 PM
Specs of AVR 320

AVR 320
7.1-Channel Audio/Video Receiver With Dolby® Digital, DTS®, Logic 7® and VMAx® Decoding

The AVR 320 is Harman Kardon's first affordable A/V receiver to feature breakthrough 7.1-channel surround-sound processing, which is available with several surround modes, including two modes of our exclusive Logic 7 decoding. The AVR 320 is also loaded with advanced features found only in premium-priced receivers, including DTS-ES 6.1 surround sound; 8-channel direct inputs; wideband, HDTV-ready component video switching; 7.1 preamp outputs; 6 digital inputs and 3 digital outputs; a front-panel digital input that can be switched to output mode; 192kHz/24-bit D/A converters, and Harman Kardon's patented EzSet™ remote control.
Title: Re:Newbie here. Harman Kardon AVR320
Post by: bunkieboy on Apr 04, 2003 at 08:50 PM
mentioned in another thread that there used to be a hk promo at archi. audio. check them out first as they still might have the combo promos
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 05, 2003 at 10:24 PM
hehehe wala pa rin akong sablay kada araw. mapa-vcd o mapa-dvd inaaraw ko na. the more i use my harman, the more na gumaganda ang tunog. unti unti ng nabebreak-in ang unit ko.  ;D di ko pa nauumpisahan iyung isang dvd na nahiram ko ngayong araw at bukas ko na lang panonoorin at baka magparinig na naman iyung kapitbahay namin. akala nga nung una iyung kapatid ko ang nagpapatugtog ng malakas pero nung sinabi ng mother ko na ako ang nagpapatugtog at di iyung kapatid ko, biglang kabig pabalik. sabi niya ok lang daw at nasa oras naman daw ang pagpapatugtog ko.  :P ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 05, 2003 at 11:56 PM
hehehe wala pa rin akong sablay kada araw. mapa-vcd o mapa-dvd inaaraw ko na. the more i use my harman, the more na gumaganda ang tunog. unti unti ng nabebreak-in ang unit ko.  ;D di ko pa nauumpisahan iyung isang dvd na nahiram ko ngayong araw at bukas ko na lang panonoorin at baka magparinig na naman iyung kapitbahay namin. akala nga nung una iyung kapatid ko ang nagpapatugtog ng malakas pero nung sinabi ng mother ko na ako ang nagpapatugtog at di iyung kapatid ko, biglang kabig pabalik. sabi niya ok lang daw at nasa oras naman daw ang pagpapatugtog ko.  :P ;D

mukhang paalis ka na araw araw na kamo eh.. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Apr 06, 2003 at 11:32 AM

hey since the hk5500 has only 5 built in amplifiers, how much is an amplifier if I want to make it 6.1 or 7.1?


sgc_wdi

The external h/k amplifier used for 6.1 or 7.1 application is the PA2000.  This amp is rated at 100watts x 2.  SRP price is P18,000.  Please call us for the cash price.

For more information about this amp, kindly go to the following link:

http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=AMP&ser=&prod=PA%202000/230&language=ENGLISH

Please do not hesitate to contact us should you have further questions.

Regards,

Architectural Audio
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Apr 06, 2003 at 11:33 AM
Symon,

Enjoy your new toy.  Please feel free to call us should you have any questions.

Cheers,

Architectural Audio
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 06, 2003 at 12:47 PM
Archi audio,

Sir can you text me price of HK5500 and 4500 thanks?? sir 0916-7300331
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: symon on Apr 08, 2003 at 09:58 AM
Symon,

Enjoy your new toy.  Please feel free to call us should you have any questions.

Cheers,

Architectural Audio



Thanks, I'm really satisfied with the set-up. My only question is, how would I know if the "break-in" period is over na?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Apr 08, 2003 at 10:32 AM
Hi Symon,

You'll only know when the sound ceases to improve.  It will probably take 50 hours before it starts to settle down slowly.  Usually, when its new, the sound is slow, less detailed yet a bit harsh.  With use, the sound becomes faster, more upbeat, exhibits wider and deeper soundstage and becomes smoother.

Have Fun,

Architectural Audio
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: symon on Apr 08, 2003 at 03:12 PM
Hi Symon,

You'll only know when the sound ceases to improve.  It will probably take 50 hours before it starts to settle down slowly.  Usually, when its new, the sound is slow, less detailed yet a bit harsh.  With use, the sound becomes faster, more upbeat, exhibits wider and deeper soundstage and becomes smoother.

Have Fun,

Architectural Audio

Yup! that's what I noticed. Kala ko nga hindi compatible speaker and receiver, or pangit yun audio cables ko. Pero after a while, the sound improved, naging mas 'swabe.' I even told my friends about it and they said it was just my imagination! hehehe!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 08, 2003 at 03:14 PM
boss symon,

anong match mong speakrs sa hk mo :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: symon on Apr 08, 2003 at 03:34 PM
custom made speakers from nirv/anthony
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 08, 2003 at 03:44 PM
he he he ;D

pareho pala tayo boss symon, kaso wala pa akong surround at sub sa pag-uwi ko pa lang makukuha kay nirv at anthony of A-Audio. di ko kasi alam kung saan ko ilalagay eh kya binitin ko muna ang bili kaya tuloy nabitin ako sa tunog.  

galeeng talaga ng harman.......  kulang pa nga sa break in sa pakinig ko pro ang layo na ng tunog niya sa mini component set up ko. ;D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: symon on Apr 08, 2003 at 05:15 PM
Yup, kinwento ka nga sakin ni epoy eh! :) Ako, kulang nlang ako ng center speaker at sub.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 09, 2003 at 07:08 AM
meron na palang hk5550. i saw it in hk website. 7.1 na siya at ang usa model niya is iyung avr 525. you can adjust the crossover settings (bass management) of all your speakers. mas maseset mo ng maganda iyung bass ng system mo. the only problem is ang laki ng power consumption niya. max. of 1040 W.  :o plantsa na iyon ha. and it weighs 20 kg. bigat niya at siguradong mabigat din ito sa bulsa. ito bale ang match ng nad t762. matagal pa siguro ito bago lumabas sa pinas. patok na naman sigurado ito sa mga gustong mag-upgrade. iyung nga lang siguradong lalaki ang bayad natin sa kuryente kapag nagkataon. don nga lang sa hk5500 ko ang laki ng improvement, not only with sounds but also with my electric bill. lumaking bigla rin. almost 1/3 ang tinaas. ok lang at least satisfy naman ako sa new toy ko. hahahaha  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Apr 09, 2003 at 07:52 AM
you can always buy a HK PA2000 amp to make it 7.1.features with the hk 5550 are almost the same with the hk 5500 with exception of the no. of channels :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Apr 09, 2003 at 09:10 AM
at least HK is not over-rating their receivers/amplifiers.
some brands are claiming to have 5X100watts/ch pero and consumption nya is less than 500watts. i don't know how the output got bigger than the input power.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 09, 2003 at 09:44 AM
i noticed that if you're going to add an additional amplifier (hk pa2000) to your hk5500 to make it 7.1, mas ok pa ito since the total power consumption would be less than 1000W which is in hk5550 its max. consumption is above 1KW. hk pa2000 power consumption is less than 300W. di pa gaanong mabigat ang load ng receiver mo if you'll just add another amplifier. para yatang may cooling fan na rin iyung hk5550.  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 09, 2003 at 12:51 PM
Pag nag uupgrade ka nang bagong Amp..nag uupgrade din ang bill sa kuryente ehehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Apr 09, 2003 at 01:52 PM
Exactly, less strain on the receiver, with the 5550 tingin ko dapat me dedicated outlet siya, mahirap maagawan ng kuryente considering its single transformer is powering 7 channels plus the processing..too much strain in my opinion.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jofkevski on Apr 09, 2003 at 02:22 PM
Exactly mga bro - plantsa na ang ang 5550. In fact, mas malaki pa consumption nyan sa aircon, and aircon needs separate breaker and outlet for that purpose. Pero, ito e kung halos i-full blast mo na si harman sa near full rating nya.

As I said nga, Harman is class A amp, only about 25% efficient than the likes of NAD and Jap amps (about 85-95%). Meaning, sa 1000watts mo (max consumption) 250Watts lang ang music. yung 750 watts mo, tinapon lang ni Harman sa heat dissipated. This is the characteristics ng class A amp.

Kaya yung 1000watts ni harman (using 25%efficient amp), pareho lang yan sa 250watts ng efficient amp.

So that's Harman-Kardon amp design. Buti na lang, may fan (for forced cooling) na si 5550 para mabawasan ang wear and tear ng transistor sa sobrang init.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 09, 2003 at 02:37 PM
Exactly mga bro - plantsa na ang ang 5550. In fact, mas malaki pa consumption nyan sa aircon, and aircon needs separate breaker and outlet for that purpose. Pero, ito e kung halos i-full blast mo na si harman sa near full rating nya.

As I said nga, Harman is class A amp, only about 25% efficient than the likes of NAD and Jap amps (about 85-95%). Meaning, sa 1000watts mo (max consumption) 250Watts lang ang music. yung 750 watts mo, tinapon lang ni Harman sa heat dissipated. This is the characteristics ng class A amp.

Kaya yung 1000watts ni harman (using 25%efficient amp), pareho lang yan sa 250watts ng efficient amp.

So that's Harman-Kardon amp design. Buti na lang, may fan (for forced cooling) na si 5550 para mabawasan ang wear and tear ng transistor sa sobrang init.

I see ganoon pala iyon.. tenx for the infor sir jofkevski :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 09, 2003 at 02:55 PM
Sir,

kung totoo pala yan di mas malaki pa electric bill ko ngayon hehehe pag Harman pero kung satisfied ka sa sound Okie Okie pa rin  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 09, 2003 at 03:04 PM
Exactly mga bro - plantsa na ang ang 5550. In fact, mas malaki pa consumption nyan sa aircon, and aircon needs separate breaker and outlet for that purpose. Pero, ito e kung halos i-full blast mo na si harman sa near full rating nya.

As I said nga, Harman is class A amp, only about 25% efficient than the likes of NAD and Jap amps (about 85-95%). Meaning, sa 1000watts mo (max consumption) 250Watts lang ang music. yung 750 watts mo, tinapon lang ni Harman sa heat dissipated. This is the characteristics ng class A amp.

Kaya yung 1000watts ni harman (using 25%efficient amp), pareho lang yan sa 250watts ng efficient amp.

So that's Harman-Kardon amp design. Buti na lang, may fan (for forced cooling) na si 5550 para mabawasan ang wear and tear ng transistor sa sobrang init.

maybe this is one of the reasons kung bakit di kagad naglabas ang harman ng 7.1 in one receiver. di na feasible especially sa consumer kung lalakihan mo pa ng load iyung receiver mo. kaya they decided to make a 5.1 receiver upgradeable to 7.1. less strain from the receiver and if you decide to go 7.1. choice na bale ng consumer iyon kung gusto nilang lumaki electric bill nila. hehehe but then again since naglabas na halos lahat ng manufacturer ng 7.1 receiver, harman decided to make a 7.1 receiver. i think na di na malaki ang difference kung sakaling maglabas ng bagong model ang harman especially sa maximum power output na kaya niyang ibigay. it would be more sa features rather than RMS power it can give.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 09, 2003 at 03:11 PM
kung me class A amps ano ano naman ang mga Class B amps.  Malaki ba diperensya? ???
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Apr 09, 2003 at 03:30 PM
Qatarman,

Sent you a PM.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 09, 2003 at 04:11 PM
tenx philander,

very informative ... ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jofkevski on Apr 09, 2003 at 05:53 PM
kung me class A amps ano ano naman ang mga Class B amps.  Malaki ba diperensya? ???

You can check my post on page 7 of this thread for some more distinction between class A and class B amps. FYI
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Apr 10, 2003 at 02:22 AM
umm..I don't think h/k receivers run on class A amps, they might be more of class AB. NAD i think uses class B or AB, if NAD amps were 85% to 95% efficient then it wouldn't generate much heat and there wouldn't be a need for a big power supply or even a fan, small heat sinks would do. most (not all) japanese amps use IC's thus they are lighter since the power supply is not that big, smaller heat sinks, lighter weight (relatively speaking). Maybe some reviewers refer hk's amps close to class A operation.

Pure Class A solid state amps that would run on 70 watts would be quite big, heavy and generate a lot of heat. a good example is pass labs aleph series, they have a 60 watt per channel stereo amp running on class A that consumes 300 watts (this is just an amp, no preamp sections etc.) :o the preamp is separate, in receivers most of the time the power supply is shared so when it is idle or running its not just the amp being powered but the other elements in the receiver as well. If you would like to run for example 5 at 70 watts channels on class A operation then it would consume much more watts and the power supply would be a lot bigger :o and thats just for the amp section. Btw rotels rsx 1055 amp (5x75w) consumes 860 watts.

I am not an expert at this nor am I dissing harman kardon's sound, I like it  ;D If there was a stock of the Hk 5500 when I bought my receiver baka yun ang nabili ko but  the amps on harman kardon receivers are not using pure Class A, they generate more heat than usual due to their avoidance in using fans for cooling. As long as an amp is not 100% efficient then it will generate heat. I wouldn't complain on this anyway because like I've said I like the way HK sounds, I also like how my receiver sounds and it doesn't matter whatever topology its amplifier design uses..its the end result that matters. just my .0001 cents :)

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jofkevski on Apr 10, 2003 at 12:33 PM
Thanks john. I am beginning to appreciate this discussion. I hope this would lead us to understand how HK really works. I am trying to recall the site which discusses harman amp design.

Anyway, all amps generate heat. The difference is that class A amp, upon turning on, will start eating up power and release this power as heat. Upon increasing sound level on music will the heat get more pronounced.

You can verify this also by looking at the specs of harman kardon (end page of your manual). Take for example the 3550 in stereo mode (2 channels), at idle (as in no music being played but just in an "on" position), this amp consumes 72watts already. Based on actual test, 3550 can pump up to 100watts in stereo (max). This is equivalent to 580watts max power consumed. At least, HK is honest on these figures as well. So this is partly why they also need high current power supply.

ClassB amp is different in that, in idle mode, hardly will the heat be noticeable or pronounced. When you start pumping music and increase the sound level, the heat will begin to build up - but again, not as intense as in class A amp.

It so happen that I have a Yamaha amp which I can switch between class B and class A (or so called class A turbo by Yamaha). At idle, class A setting emit so much heat in my amp - which explains an exhaust fan on top (and which also explains fan on hk5550 to aide their big heat sinks and big casing) - but i dont mind it because it produces a smooth sound regardless of levels. At its normal amp setting, the scenario while idle is different, the heat is none or not that much.

Will post the site later as soon as I locate the URL.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Apr 10, 2003 at 01:43 PM
my receiver also heats up even when idle, my previous marantz also heats up when idle..only when you start watching or listening to music does the heat really pick up..which is due to both having high current designs.  what i'm just pointing out is that the amps in the h/k receiver are not pure class A, it may be class A to a certain degree but switches to B to generate more power, amps that are class A/B give more power to speakers running in class B rather than pure class A. I'm sure when your yamaha amp (which is a class A/B amp) is using class A it produces lesser but much cleaner, clearer power. There is this amp from pioneer which was from the late 70's that can operate on class A and AB. On class A it can give 20 watts per channel, but on B it can go up to 70, siyempre mas maganda yung sound pag class A even if its "lesser" :)

Hk has an integrated amp (HK 670) that gives 70w x 2 and is quite compact. It also generates a lot of heat similar to its receivers but its not running on pure class A its either A/B or B, an amplifier running on pure class A giving 70 watts per channel will be twice or maybe thrice the size.

As for the hk 5550 it should come with a fan because the heat generated from 7 amps running at the same time may not be compensated by heatsinks alone (it might be possible but the heatsinks would be quite big, the casing will not be compact anymore), another thing baka masira kaagad yung other components sa receiver like the processor, DACs etc.

I am not sure if my NAD receiver runs on class A/B or B but it also generates a lot of heat, you should feel it after watching the Matrix  :) that's where the fan kicks in to sort of cool it down because the other components might break down due to the heat, na complaint ng iba kasi in some medyo maingay yung fan. NAD is also conservative in its figures like harman and what its states for specs are just the minimum power, it also runs on 100 watts per channel continuous in stereo mode with dynamic power to spare. Please, NAD should not be put in the same league as some japanese companies entry level receivers.

I also had a hk receiver previously so I know how it generates heat and how it sounds, yun nga ang napapansin sa bahay e, the receivers that I buy can double as heaters...buti di ko pa inuumpisahan audio setup ko hehehe.

Basically they are similar in thinking on the way amps should work, give more current to speakers, hence the mammoth power consumption and high current design. because its the sound that matters  ;DLike I said I don't think the amps in the receivers run in pure Class A but that does not mean that it sounds bad which is what I keep reiterating. Cheers! ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 11, 2003 at 02:27 AM
anyone owned HK AVR3000?  any comments.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Apr 11, 2003 at 06:27 AM
qatarman: the avr2000 and avr3000 are quite close in power rating, the only difference is that the avr3000 has 5.1 inputs and outputs I think :) sound quality..its a harman c'mon hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 11, 2003 at 11:02 AM
yap john,

na auditioned ko na itong avr3000 eh gulat ako dahil 5.1 na rin sya not to sure about the rating though....

oo nga pala harman yon ....... galeng tunog :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 11, 2003 at 02:41 PM
i've asked archie audio abt the price of hk5550 and whoa!!! 24k more than the price of the 5500. it's better to add an additional amplifier dahil mas mura pa siya and less strain from the receiver and electric bill.  ;D hehehe to those interested in 5550 baka sa september pa raw ang dating nito.  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 11, 2003 at 03:10 PM
almost 60K wheww.....

dapat upgraded na rin ang paglalagyan niyan ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Apr 11, 2003 at 07:16 PM
yup..and its own dedicated outlet hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:17 PM
i also asked archie audio if the amp of harman are class a amplifiers, and sabi ni epoy it's more of a class a/b rather than class a. he's not sure pa but he gave me an example that in a 50W X 2 class a amplifiers, sobrang laki at bigat na rin daw non dahil sa dami ng heat sinks na kailangan niya. so if he's right, malabong class a amplifiers ang harman. pero mapa-class a or a/b man ang receiver o amp natin, ang importante pa rin doon ay yung sound na nilalabas niya.  :) :) :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:39 PM
yup thats my point its the sound that matters  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:40 PM
tama na.....

lalo ko lang nami miss ang HK ko.... please ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:43 PM
tama na.....

lalo ko lang nami miss ang HK ko.... please ;D

dapat nilagay mo ulit sa kahon para pagbalik mo ulit next month, brand new pa rin  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:50 PM
di pede eh sharing agreement kami ni misis, malamang pag-uwi ko me mga bagong dvd rin yon eh ;D

dahil hanga rin siya sa bagong set up ;D ;D


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:54 PM
di pede eh sharing agreement kami ni misis, malamang pag-uwi ko me mga bagong dvd rin yon eh ;D

dahil hanga rin siya sa bagong set up ;D ;D


dats gud. mukhang napaganda pa yata dahil bawas gastos din iyon sa iyo ha. ano kaya kung dvd rack na lang ang sunod mong bilhin. pagbalik mo sigurado tambak na ang dvd mo sa bahay. hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 11, 2003 at 10:57 PM
 ;D ;D

bago ko umalis may dvd rack na ko, ni-relocate ko ang vhs collection ng anak ko at reding redi na....

Malaki na rin nagagastos ko sa DVD ah.... HT Hidden cost... >:(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Mrs. T on Apr 11, 2003 at 11:12 PM

Malaki na rin nagagastos ko sa DVD ah.... HT Hidden cost... >:(

It comes with the teritory Qatarman...  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 12, 2003 at 08:19 AM
di pede eh sharing agreement kami ni misis, malamang pag-uwi ko me mga bagong dvd rin yon eh ;D

dahil hanga rin siya sa bagong set up ;D ;D




Buti ka pa at ayos na ayos sa misis mo sa HT mo...ako kapitbahay ko lang ang humahanga sa setup ko...tapos hanga din sila sa tibay nang katawan ko sa tindi nang gulpi na inabot ko ehehehehe ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 12, 2003 at 11:08 AM
 ;D
di pede eh sharing agreement kami ni misis, malamang pag-uwi ko me mga bagong dvd rin yon eh ;D

dahil hanga rin siya sa bagong set up ;D ;D




Buti ka pa at ayos na ayos sa misis mo sa HT mo...ako kapitbahay ko lang ang humahanga sa setup ko...tapos hanga din sila sa tibay nang katawan ko sa tindi nang gulpi na inabot ko ehehehehe ;D

he he he ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 13, 2003 at 11:10 AM

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Buti ka pa at ayos na ayos sa misis mo sa HT mo...ako kapitbahay ko lang ang humahanga sa setup ko...tapos hanga din sila sa tibay nang katawan ko sa tindi nang gulpi na inabot ko ehehehehe ;D
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buti pala ako di na magugulpi dahil by the time na magasawa ako, matindi na sigurado ang set-up ko. unless na di mawala itong itch ko sa ht and audio right after kong magasawa. hehehe sabi nga nila never ending itong hobby na ito. kaya swerte iyung mga may misis na mahilg din sa ht. ang sarap siguro non.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 13, 2003 at 09:56 PM

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Buti ka pa at ayos na ayos sa misis mo sa HT mo...ako kapitbahay ko lang ang humahanga sa setup ko...tapos hanga din sila sa tibay nang katawan ko sa tindi nang gulpi na inabot ko ehehehehe ;D
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buti pala ako di na magugulpi dahil by the time na magasawa ako, matindi na sigurado ang set-up ko. unless na di mawala itong itch ko sa ht and audio right after kong magasawa. hehehe sabi nga nila never ending itong hobby na ito. kaya swerte iyung mga may misis na mahilg din sa ht. ang sarap siguro non.  ;D ;D ;D

di mawawala yan enygma, lalo na pag nakarating ka na sa Dubai ;D ;D  Tapos nakita mo ang ROTEL/NAD and siyempre Harman Kardon... ;D  Malamang mag-set up ka uli ng bagong HT mo ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 14, 2003 at 06:54 AM

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di mawawala yan enygma, lalo na pag nakarating ka na sa Dubai ;D ;D  Tapos nakita mo ang ROTEL/NAD and siyempre Harman Kardon... ;D  Malamang mag-set up ka uli ng bagong HT mo ;D
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as of now wala pa kaming balita don sa employer namin. kala ko nga di ko na magagamit ng husto itong receiver ko. if ever mag-upgrade ako, siguro sa wattage na lang ng fronts ko ang babaguhin ko using my pre-outs. para lalong maging mas maganda ang sound niya esp. sa audio. maybe i'll try rotel dahil maganda ang reviews niya don sa ht separates. sa ngayon only in my dreams pa lang ito. hehehehe  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 14, 2003 at 11:13 AM
Swerte talaga kung ang asawa mo eh mahilig din sa HT...kasa kasama mo sa panonood ...samantalang ako eh laging nag iisa pag nanonood ehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 14, 2003 at 11:27 AM
Swerte talaga kung ang asawa mo eh mahilig din sa HT...kasa kasama mo sa panonood ...samantalang ako eh laging nag iisa pag nanonood ehehehe

eh naku ka.... sarap... ;Ddahil bago kayo manood me nakahanda ng makukutkut. ;D ;D at maiinom ;D ;D  madalas pa siya ang bumibili ng stocks ng mga tsitsirya pra makutkut sa panonood.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: banzai on Apr 14, 2003 at 01:50 PM
It's a good thing my wife doesn't bother me with my spending on HT. It's my money anyway, and I also don't bother her with the way she spends her money. She also likes this hobby, but not as fanatical as we are.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 14, 2003 at 04:15 PM

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di mawawala yan enygma, lalo na pag nakarating ka na sa Dubai ;D ;D  Tapos nakita mo ang ROTEL/NAD and siyempre Harman Kardon... ;D  Malamang mag-set up ka uli ng bagong HT mo ;D
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as of now wala pa kaming balita don sa employer namin. kala ko nga di ko na magagamit ng husto itong receiver ko. if ever mag-upgrade ako, siguro sa wattage na lang ng fronts ko ang babaguhin ko using my pre-outs. para lalong maging mas maganda ang sound niya esp. sa audio. maybe i'll try rotel dahil maganda ang reviews niya don sa ht separates. sa ngayon only in my dreams pa lang ito. hehehehe  ;D ;D

enygma,
napansin ko sa harman sa kanyang display na detected nya eh tatlong speakers lang samantalang nakakabit naman ay 5.1  pinakinggan ko tumutunog naman lahat.  (ito iyong na-auditioned ko rito).

ano sa lasa mo ang dahilan?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 14, 2003 at 07:35 PM

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enygma,
napansin ko sa harman sa kanyang display na detected nya eh tatlong speakers lang samantalang nakakabit naman ay 5.1  pinakinggan ko tumutunog naman lahat.  (ito iyong na-auditioned ko rito).

ano sa lasa mo ang dahilan?
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are u watching a dvd or just plain music? if it's a dvd playing in dd or dts, lahat ng speakers niya sa display ay may corresponding letters lahat and if just plain music using either the logic 7, pro logic 2, or dts neo 6, iyung l and r nung front speakers lang ang nakadisplay but iyung lahat ng speakers including the subwoofer ay gumagana lahat.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 14, 2003 at 07:41 PM
actually DVD iyon pro  dalawang speakers lang display nya taka nga ako kako duda ko di detected pro natunog naman.. hmmm....

pro pirata iyong kanilang demo di kya iyon ang dahilan ???
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 14, 2003 at 08:01 PM
actually DVD iyon pro  dalawang speakers lang display nya taka nga ako kako duda ko di detected pro natunog naman.. hmmm....

pro pirata iyong kanilang demo di kya iyon ang dahilan ???

hmmmm.... okay nakuha ko na. i'm sure na iyung audio set-up na pinili ng nagdemo sa dvd is pcm stereo or dolby surround 2.0. 2 channel lang talaga siya but iyung nagdemo, he make use of the other surround mode. kung pcm stereo, he can select either pro logic 2, dts neo 6 or  logic 7. kapag dolby surround 2.0, pro logic 2 lang ang pwedeng gamitin. he used this to make a 5.1 surround out of 2 channel stereo.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 14, 2003 at 08:23 PM
So iyong dvd player niya naka set sa PCM ganoon ba yon?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 14, 2003 at 08:38 PM
So iyong dvd player niya naka set sa PCM ganoon ba yon?


pre, sent u a pm.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 14, 2003 at 08:41 PM
pareng enygma

tenx recieve it...

tenk you....  now I understand he he he ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 17, 2003 at 08:40 PM
Hi Symon,

You'll only know when the sound ceases to improve.  It will probably take 50 hours before it starts to settle down slowly.  Usually, when its new, the sound is slow, less detailed yet a bit harsh.  With use, the sound becomes faster, more upbeat, exhibits wider and deeper soundstage and becomes smoother.

Have Fun,

Architectural Audio

i've noticed na naging detailed na iyung hk5500 ko. konti pa siguro at fully break-in na ito. nagbi-wiring na rin ako and maybe it's one of the reason kung bakit nagkaron ng improvement sa sound niya. lalo tuloy akong nagenjoy dito sa new toy ko. hehehe  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 17, 2003 at 09:02 PM
buti ka pa fully break in na ......

pag-uwi ko nawa ma-break ko ng todo, kaso summer eh siguradong puro swimming ang mangyayari nito. :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 17, 2003 at 09:08 PM
buti ka pa fully break in na ......

pag-uwi ko nawa ma-break ko ng todo, kaso summer eh siguradong puro swimming ang mangyayari nito. :D

swimming ba? hehehe paguwi mo sigurado next month, isa sa unang titingnan mo iyung hk mo. parang naririnig mong sinasabi niya, come play with me. hehehe remember, sabi mo daming dvd's kang madadatnan sa bahay niyo paguwi mo. sayang naman kung palalagapsin mo ang mga iyon. hahahaha  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 17, 2003 at 09:13 PM
tama na enygma tama na.....

torture na ko ... homesick na homesick na ko.....

you're right.. may listahan na ko ng mga dvd na nabili at nahiram ng misis ko so me schedule na rin iyon kung kelan panonoorin..... wag lang masira ang schedule. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 17, 2003 at 09:22 PM
i've noticed na concentrated ang init ng receiver ko dun sa right side niya when facing the receiver. i'm planning to add a 4" fan on top of it para mabawasan ang init. di ko pa naman tinotodo iyung receiver ko dahil umaangal na ang mga tao dito sa bahay. hehehe pre-cautionary lang itong gagawin ko dahil ingat na ingat ako sa toy ko. hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 17, 2003 at 10:05 PM
pansin ko nga rin iyon ang ginawa ko me nakatutok na electric fan sa kanya.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Apr 17, 2003 at 10:35 PM
bagay sa US yang receiver , can double as a heater heheh ;D kaso problema sa atin kasi mainit din kailangan talaga TLC  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Mrs. T on Apr 17, 2003 at 10:39 PM
pansin ko nga rin iyon ang ginawa ko me nakatutok na electric fan sa kanya.

Ingat ka lang Qman, at baka kung ano na yaang maitutok mo...  ;D
Or baka kung saan mo ito maitutok!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 17, 2003 at 11:03 PM
pansin ko nga rin iyon ang ginawa ko me nakatutok na electric fan sa kanya.

Ingat ka lang Qman, at baka kung ano na yaang maitutok mo...  ;D
Or baka kung saan mo ito maitutok!  ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 21, 2003 at 08:18 AM
pansin ko nga rin iyon ang ginawa ko me nakatutok na electric fan sa kanya.

Ganyan din ako, meron akong dedicated small fan na nakatutok sa ibabaw nang AVR ehehehehe..magaling na yung sigurado ehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 22, 2003 at 03:29 AM
pansin ko nga rin iyon ang ginawa ko me nakatutok na electric fan sa kanya.

Ganyan din ako, meron akong dedicated small fan na nakatutok sa ibabaw nang AVR ehehehehe..magaling na yung sigurado ehehe

that's what  i call innovation ;D ;D  prang pede ko rin gawin yan ah .... i stil have space pa sa ibabaw ng avr..  hmm.. :D

tenx for the tip. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Apr 22, 2003 at 12:42 PM
you can get those small fans from true value, i think they are around 500 pesos.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 23, 2003 at 12:20 AM
you can get those small fans from true value, i think they are around 500 pesos.
thanks archie,

tanong ko lang, have you experienced na kabitan ng phono/lp ang HK.  Sa kabilang Yamaha thread kasi prang nagawa nila though sa mataas na model nito.

Enygma, baka makatulong ka nakarining ka ba ng ganito mas maganda ba ang tunog sa CD?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 23, 2003 at 07:14 AM
you can get those small fans from true value, i think they are around 500 pesos.
thanks archie,

tanong ko lang, have you experienced na kabitan ng phono/lp ang HK.  Sa kabilang Yamaha thread kasi prang nagawa nila though sa mataas na model nito.

Enygma, baka makatulong ka nakarining ka ba ng ganito mas maganda ba ang tunog sa CD?

pre, walang phono-in iyung hk5500 natin. iyung denon 1803 meron. matagal na akong nakarinig ng lp and high school pa ko non. don't remember how it sounds compared to cd's.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 23, 2003 at 11:14 AM
ganon pala, pero me hk ba na me phono in? ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Apr 23, 2003 at 04:13 PM
Available ba dito yung HK avr4500?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 23, 2003 at 04:26 PM
Available ba dito yung HK avr4500?

Nope...the HK5500 ang available..im asking dati about that amp and theres no news daw na magkakaroon nyan..but the HK 3500 or 3550 yata ang magkaka meron or meron na....

Galing nang HK bro..u wont regret that amp......

Papalitan mo ba anmg 1803 mo?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Apr 23, 2003 at 05:08 PM
pagiisipan ko pa... may symptoms na ako ng SARS eh...
kaso kailangan combination ng matitinding reasons para palitan ko yun. hehehe
kailangan ng pera...
may magandang offer...
kasya sa budget ang bagong amp...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dexterc on Apr 23, 2003 at 05:09 PM
pagiisipan ko pa... may symptoms na ako ng SARS eh...
kaso kailangan combination ng matitinding reasons para palitan ko yun. hehehe
kailangan ng pera...
may magandang offer...
kasya sa budget ang bagong amp...

Sent you pm
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Apr 23, 2003 at 05:25 PM
replied to your pm...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Apr 23, 2003 at 05:41 PM
kalat na naman ang SARS, dami na kasing fans ng hk dami tuloy nahahawa hehehe. Mas maririnig mo yung potential ng wharfs mo sillyputty pag gumamit ka ng hk5500  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 23, 2003 at 06:56 PM
pagiisipan ko pa... may symptoms na ako ng SARS eh...
kaso kailangan combination ng matitinding reasons para palitan ko yun. hehehe
kailangan ng pera...
may magandang offer...
kasya sa budget ang bagong amp...

pre, kailangan mo pa ng konting exposure sa SARS.  ;D magpademo ka ng hk5500 and di mo na iisiping mahal o wala akong budget o matinding reason para palitan ang receiver mo. mahirap patagalin iyan dahil di ka na patutulugin niyan. buti pa iyung mga maiiwan ko dito sa bahay mageenjoy na sila sa hk na maiiwan ko pagpunta ng abroad.  :-[
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 23, 2003 at 07:10 PM
pagiisipan ko pa... may symptoms na ako ng SARS eh...
kaso kailangan combination ng matitinding reasons para palitan ko yun. hehehe
kailangan ng pera...
may magandang offer...
kasya sa budget ang bagong amp...

pre, kailangan mo pa ng konting exposure sa SARS.  ;D magpademo ka ng hk5500 and di mo na iisiping mahal o wala akong budget o matinding reason para palitan ang receiver mo. mahirap patagalin iyan dahil di ka na patutulugin niyan. buti pa iyung mga maiiwan ko dito sa bahay mageenjoy na sila sa hk na maiiwan ko pagpunta ng abroad.  :-[
OT
yehey paalis na si enygma ..... bale wala na ang HK sa kanya... rotel rotel rotel..

more you stay on line in pdvd the more the more the more ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: DREAMER BOY on Apr 27, 2003 at 11:47 PM
IM LOOKING 4 HK, IM FROM QC
NALALAYUAN KC KO SA MAKATI
BKA PWEDE MO KO I- GUIDE KUNG SAN MERON
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Apr 28, 2003 at 12:02 AM
Hi Yaku, welcome to the forum.

    HK is available at SM City, Podium or the computer store building infront of St Pauls QC. Its far from your place but i would still recommend Architectural Audio at New World Hotel, its worth the trip.

Please dont use All CAPS when posting.
Thanks
Levi
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 28, 2003 at 07:03 AM
Hi Yaku, welcome to the forum.

    HK is available at SM City, Podium or the computer store building infront of St Pauls QC. Its far from your place but i would still recommend Architectural Audio at New World Hotel, its worth the trip.

Please dont use All CAPS when posting.
Thanks
Levi

tama si levi. malayo man ang archie audio oks na oks ang service nila doon. i live near sm city and meron ngang hk/jbl store (sm annex). almost katapat niya ang 5th ave. but still i went to archie audio in makati dahil maganda iyung service na binigay nila sa akin. di ka mahihiyang magpademo sa kanila. from 2 channel to 5.1 to 6.1, lahat idedemo nila sa iyo depende sa preference mo. lastly, walang pressure na bumili ka sa kanila. imagine, bumili ako ng hk5500 na sobrang bigat sa kanila without even thinking na wala naman akong sasakyan at malayo sa bahay namin. di ka magsisisi na bumili ka sa kanila. after sales service is also good.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 29, 2003 at 11:36 AM
sillyputty,

I agree sir lalabas talaga ang true sound ng wharf mo sa HK...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 02, 2003 at 05:45 AM
mga gurus,

got a question,  i came across one of hk5500 on sale sa qatar.  its 380usd lang... pro i was told by the salesman na di raw pede sa pinas dahil and power cycle niya ay 50 hz.  what can you say about it.

hk5500 sa pinas is worth around 700 usd.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on May 02, 2003 at 07:25 AM
you might need a different transformer for that one kasi I think here sa pinas e 60 hz tayo dunno if it really matters, pero ang mura na yan halos 20k lang (drools)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jofkevski on May 02, 2003 at 11:33 AM
Hi Qman!

I dont think this frequency matters! The solid-state amplifier voltage are always DC (direct current).  Your amp transformer bring the AC (alternating current) voltage lower, and then pass it to a converter (AC to DC).

The only time that frequency matters is when there is motor involved, or your timer is hooked to AC frequency. For motors, an increase in frequency will mean increase in speed, so if this motor is used in a CD player, this will be a problem. For some cheapy electronic alarm clock (which rather use AC frequency that install a separate crystals to save on cost), an increase in frequency will make your 1 hour for only 50 minutes. But some alarm clock dont depend on AC frequency but have their own crystals components that make their required frequency, which makes frequency (50 or 60) of no effect.

But amplifiers, especially in an all digital world, have no use of AC frequency. HK amp may have clock timers and DACS (at 192khz). In DC circuitry (which amps are), crystals are the one used to deliver required frequency on specific components.

Ask the vendor what would be the effect of the freq to HK amp. I am interested to know his answer.

My comment based on my field.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on May 03, 2003 at 12:23 AM
hmmmn...anyone here tried the avr8500 yet ?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 03, 2003 at 01:05 AM
Hi Qman!

I dont think this frequency matters! The solid-state amplifier voltage are always DC (direct current).  Your amp transformer bring the AC (alternating current) voltage lower, and then pass it to a converter (AC to DC).

The only time that frequency matters is when there is motor involved, or your timer is hooked to AC frequency. For motors, an increase in frequency will mean increase in speed, so if this motor is used in a CD player, this will be a problem. For some cheapy electronic alarm clock (which rather use AC frequency that install a separate crystals to save on cost), an increase in frequency will make your 1 hour for only 50 minutes. But some alarm clock dont depend on AC frequency but have their own crystals components that make their required frequency, which makes frequency (50 or 60) of no effect.

But amplifiers, especially in an all digital world, have no use of AC frequency. HK amp may have clock timers and DACS (at 192khz). In DC circuitry (which amps are), crystals are the one used to deliver required frequency on specific components.

Ask the vendor what would be the effect of the freq to HK amp. I am interested to know his answer.

My comment based on my field.

tenk you jofkevski for your reply, so now the question of power cycle confusion of mine will be addressed to epoy and nico of archie audio.

epoy and nico me input ba kayo sa question ko?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 03, 2003 at 08:28 AM
tama si levi. malayo man ang archie audio oks na oks ang service nila doon. i live near sm city and meron ngang hk/jbl store (sm annex). almost katapat niya ang 5th ave. but still i went to archie audio in makati dahil maganda iyung service na binigay nila sa akin. di ka mahihiyang magpademo sa kanila. from 2 channel to 5.1 to 6.1, lahat idedemo nila sa iyo depende sa preference mo. lastly, walang pressure na bumili ka sa kanila. imagine, bumili ako ng hk5500 na sobrang bigat sa kanila without even thinking na wala naman akong sasakyan at malayo sa bahay namin. di ka magsisisi na bumili ka sa kanila. after sales service is also good.  :)

Enygma,

Pare sent u a pm. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 03, 2003 at 08:31 AM
hmmmn...anyone here tried the avr8500 yet ?

Ive auditioned it at spectra...and dude this amp rockssssssssssss.. ang mahal nga lang ehehehehe

This is one powerfull amp pare...powerfull din ang gastos ehehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on May 03, 2003 at 08:55 AM
hmmmn...anyone here tried the avr8500 yet ?

i saw it in archie audio na ang gamit ay jbl tik floorstander. kinaya pa rin niya considering na pinaka-high end na iyon ng jbl.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on May 03, 2003 at 01:05 PM
mukhang itong avr8500 needs its own dedicated outlet, problema pa kung paano bubuhatin,I saw the innards of this receiver and it has one large torroidal trannie.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on May 03, 2003 at 01:31 PM
I saw this receiver at Arch Audio. It was very good for HT and audio but a bit pricey.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on May 03, 2003 at 01:32 PM
Joey,

Based on my research and conversation with an engineer/designer of a high end amp, it appears that "not much anymore relies on the power line frequency for anything".  Therefore, the cylces (50 or 60Hz) no longer matters.

Cheers,

Epoy
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on May 03, 2003 at 03:02 PM
o qman bilhin mo nayung nakasale na avr5500 ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on May 05, 2003 at 12:03 PM
 ???

Hi guys newbie here,

just want to ask a question coz i have an avr3550 receiver and I connected both coaxial and optical cable coming from my dvd player. Is it bad to connect them both at the same time?

What could happened then? Which would be better coz I'm using my dvd player as a both vcd,dvd and cd player.

hope that you cud help me out.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on May 05, 2003 at 12:29 PM
???

Hi guys newbie here,

just want to ask a question coz i have an avr3550 receiver and I connected both coaxial and optical cable coming from my dvd player. Is it bad to connect them both at the same time?

What could happened then? Which would be better coz I'm using my dvd player as a both vcd,dvd and cd player.

hope that you cud help me out.

you can actually adjust the settings of your receiver kung saan mo gustong padaanin iyung digital sound na nanggagaling sa dvd player mo. if you're using your dvd player as a cd player you have 3 options pa nga. (analog, coaxial, and analog).  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dexterc on May 05, 2003 at 12:31 PM
o qman bilhin mo nayung nakasale na avr5500 ;D

Bro pa pm naman sa akin kung saang store naka sale yung 5500 at kung magkano ang quotation..thanks!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 06, 2003 at 12:37 AM
Bro pa pm naman sa akin kung saang store naka sale yung 5500 at kung magkano ang quotation..thanks!!

dex sent you pm :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: banzai on May 06, 2003 at 01:32 PM
Dex, Qman,

Pls send via pm the info on this HK 5500 on sale.

Thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 06, 2003 at 11:47 PM
banzai,

kita kong onsale ang hk 5500 sa qatar while i was there it is  around 380 usd.

Kita ko iyon noong naroon pa ko last 29 April.  I don't know kung yon pa rin ang presyo nya pagbalik ko roon before end of may.

nag iisa na lang iyon doon nang makita ko at demo unit pa yata.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: banzai on May 07, 2003 at 12:31 PM
Thanks Qman. Now I know that the price is cheaper because it's a demo unit.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on May 08, 2003 at 05:34 AM
banzai,

kita kong onsale ang hk 5500 sa qatar while i was there it is  around 380 usd.

Kita ko iyon noong naroon pa ko last 29 April.  I don't know kung yon pa rin ang presyo nya pagbalik ko roon before end of may.

nag iisa na lang iyon doon nang makita ko at demo unit pa yata.


sayang at nasa qatar iyang sale na unit ng hk5500 na iyan. kung nandito lang iyan, nabenta na kaagad iyan.  ;D dami ng owners ng hk dito sa forum na ito. sino pa kaya iyung iba? esp the 5500.  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on May 08, 2003 at 08:56 AM
sir, i just got mine (5500) last saturday.   :)  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 08, 2003 at 09:08 AM
sir, i just got mine (5500) last saturday.   :)  

Pare congrats on ur new toy, im sure nag eenjoy ka dyan...post ka lang nang review mo sa hk.

San mo binili at magkano skor mo?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on May 08, 2003 at 09:39 AM
ibang klase pagkabili ng speakers bili kaagad ng receiver hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on May 08, 2003 at 01:23 PM
sir john5479,

oks kasi presyo ng speakers...   ;)   saka para gumaling na agad SARS ko...  :D  ngayon, wallet anemia naman ang kailangang hanapan ko ng gamot...   :(

sir courage,

tnx!  i got it from spectra for less than 34K.  

initial comments:
1. one heavy unit (almost broke my back moving it around.  :))
2. a pain to setup initially (ang kapal kasi ng manual!  :))
3. walang church, rock, & jazz dsp modes (heheh...  ;D)
4. kahit hindi pa masyadong break-in, ang laki ng ganda ng tunog sa dati kong receiver (Pioneer VSX-702D circa '94) mapa-HT o audio man!  :)

hayyy...  tagal naman ng uwian.

geko

   
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 08, 2003 at 04:35 PM
mabuhay ang harman kardon ;D

congrats geko sa bago mong toy ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 08, 2003 at 04:40 PM
Thanks Qman. Now I know that the price is cheaper because it's a demo unit.

banzai, actually sabi ng salesman kya mura kasi di raw usable sa pinas diumano ay 50 hz lang daw ang power cycle nya... eh ayon sa archie audio at ke jovskevski wala naman katuturan na ang 50 hz sa panahon ngayon na digital world na he he he he.. dalawa demo unit nila ito iyong isa 50-60 hz power cycle then iyong isa 50hz lang.  pag sale pa rin pag balik ko at napadaan ako roon malamang magamit ko ang plastic ko para di mahalata ni misis gaano. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 09, 2003 at 08:26 AM
banzai, actually sabi ng salesman kya mura kasi di raw usable sa pinas diumano ay 50 hz lang daw ang power cycle nya... eh ayon sa archie audio at ke jovskevski wala naman katuturan na ang 50 hz sa panahon ngayon na digital world na he he he he.. dalawa demo unit nila ito iyong isa 50-60 hz power cycle then iyong isa 50hz lang.  pag sale pa rin pag balik ko at napadaan ako roon malamang magamit ko ang plastic ko para di mahalata ni misis gaano. ;D

Ibig mong sabihin eh bibili ka ulit nang isa pang HK 5500? ehehehehe ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on May 09, 2003 at 08:30 AM
bibilhin yata tapos biamp ang gagawing setup hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 09, 2003 at 08:33 AM
bibilhin yata tapos biamp ang gagawing setup hehehe

ehehehehe ayus yan qman ehehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on May 09, 2003 at 09:15 AM
the only minor complain for the hk5500 is the monitor out -  pal secam. if you dont have a multi-system tv, hindi magamit ang on screen menu. other than that everything is great!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 09, 2003 at 09:28 AM
the only minor complain for the hk5500 is the monitor out -  pal secam. if you dont have a multi-system tv, hindi magamit ang on screen menu. other than that everything is great!

Hindi lahat nang HK5500 eh pal secam ang monitor out 5500. The one i tested is not and gumana sa hindi multi system na TV
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on May 09, 2003 at 01:42 PM
the only minor complain for the hk5500 is the monitor out -  pal secam. if you dont have a multi-system tv, hindi magamit ang on screen menu. other than that everything is great!

nakalagay sa specs ng hk5500 is that PAL/NTSC siya. di ko alam kung may difference siya when it comes to showing the on-screen menus and watching dvd's.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on May 09, 2003 at 03:54 PM
the only problem i have is the on-screen menu. i think the one i got is european model. they use the hk5500 models for europe and other parts of asia.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 09, 2003 at 04:47 PM
the only problem i have is the on-screen menu. i think the one i got is european model. they use the hk5500 models for europe and other parts of asia.

san mo binili? dito ba sa pinas? kasi those being  sold at spectra eh pwede sa hindi multi system na TV eh. Pero iisa lang naman ang distributor nyan dito sa pinas di ba? yung beyond innovation ata yun
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 09, 2003 at 05:12 PM
ehehehehe ayus yan qman ehehehehe

hehehe pag available lang naman....... nangangarap alam mo na... SARS eh..

bi amp? ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JhunDV on May 09, 2003 at 05:24 PM
hehehe pag available lang naman....... nangangarap alam mo na... SARS eh..

bi amp? ;D ;D

klasmeyt, ganda na setup mo, ah.... :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on May 11, 2003 at 12:57 AM
Hi guys,

I'm a newbie here and I want to share some things regarding my adventure of waiting for  the best budget receiver: Harman kardon

Sa barkada namin, ako ang naunang nagkaron ng home theater set-up. I used to have a kenwood receiver (pro logic, dd and dts) but decided to upgrade it (after a year) eventually as my ears evolved I think.

The itch started when I heard at my friend's house his receiver set-up (he was the second to have an HT):

onkyo SR600 and bose speakers (acoustimass six I think)

and I was amazed by the music it had produced (malaki din naman gastos nya dun kumpara sakin).

From that point on, I was on a mission to look for the best budget receiver to replace the kenwood.

So first, I bought mission speakers at image (m72) and it the sound improve dramatically. After a few months, I tried to get rid of my existing receiver. I went to back image and asked for a shop that accepts trade-in and one of the customers overheard me and had suggested hometheater at makati.

I went there to get some deal work-out but it did not went well as the person there had bad-mouthed my receiver (pangit yan!) and offered a very low trading price (the marantz sr4300 just came in then). He did auditioned the marantz sr4300 connected to m74 speakers with all mission set-up and it was quite good in movies but one of his assistants would not like to test its music sound using one of its dsp modes as he had stated that “ panget pakinggan kapag nde stereo mode ito.”

I got turn-off coz of the way he had treated me, probably because I was the one trading my kenwood then at mukha ako sigurong walang pera kaya ganon naging trato sakin. In my short experience over there, baka namimili ng taong gusto nilang bentahan.

(I was looking also the best customer service shop)

After a few weeks, I almost tried to trade my receiver with him, (me getting the loose end of the deal) accepting it. But suddenly, I did not push through (lugi ako masyado) and I felt that my receiver then did not deserve his bad remarks (he didn’t’ have to resort in ridiculing any brands especially what I had then). Naasar tuloy ako sa Marantz kasi sa paninira nya sa kenwood.

I went back to image to try out the denon 1603 and onkyo sr500 (my budget was enough for those speakers then). I felt that the denon was to soft for my ears. I did like onkyo for both movie and music.

Then I went to park square and tested the yamaha rxv-430 at upscale audio. I was impressed with it during movie playback but a bit harsh on music. So the onkyo was still the one I like.

Next was spectra and asked if what is the best budget receiver that is both good for music and movies. He suggested harman kardon and nad. But unfortunately, he had no available HK then. I listened to nad at spectra and avsurfer at Rockwell and I was impressed, pretty good performance. But the price was a bit high for me.

I did some research at the net and eventually stumbled to review that HK was one of the best budget receiver, the HK AVR2550.

I went surfing and saw pinoydvd. Eventually I saw Architectural Audio, located at New World hotel and contacted Nico courtesy of pinoydvd. I called him up and inquired about the avr2550 and if I could listen to it. And after work, I went straight there that same day(quite a travel as I am working at Libis). My hats off with the customer service of both nico and epoy. They are the most accommodating guys I’ve ever met in any A/V shops I went. I tried out the Harman kardon and I am impressed with its performance.

It was auditioned and the set-up was flat (walang timpla ng bass at treble). The music it produced is AWESOME!!!! Great sound separation, no distortion at high levels and very very WARM!!! The longer listening to it, the higher the volume you want! It’s like you are in it. Watching concerts, feeling your part of the crowd. Watching movies, and feeling that your part of it. While listening to music, and feeling that the singer is right in front of you. The sound is ENVELOPING!!!

I told myself that’s the receiver I was looking for. But I still needed to get rid of my kenwood receiver first. Epoy helped me out in advertising it in pinoydvd. Those guys over there really treat their customers very well. After a few weeks, my receiver was sold to one of my officemates. I was then all set to buy the HK at Architectural audio but all of a sudden I got a call from my uncle and ask me what I wanted, then he told me that he was going to give his HK receiver to me when he comes back (May 14). It’s the avr125. That was cool!!!

Then after learning the news, I was excited but at the same time embarrassed as I assured nico that I would be getting the avr2550 over the weekend, then me and my officemate went to New world to give at least a courtesy call (after all the testing I had done with them, bringing my friends also to listen to the HK).  I explained to them my predicament, and they took my explanation graciously and even offered me to give them a call regarding the HK I’m going to get from my uncle.

I decided to help my officemate to purchase from them the avr2550 as I experienced that they have the best customer service (before and after sales).

I strongly suggest that if you gonna buy any Harman Kardon, Denon receivers/ JBL, Infinity speakers which are affordable, get it at ARCHITECTURAL AUDIO located at New World Makati as they are most customer oriented guys there. You really get the most of what you pay for! They are the Best!!!!

I can’t wait to have my hands on that AVR125 and connect to my mission speakers.
Hoping to share my experience with the HK at my home soon here guys….
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 11, 2003 at 02:52 PM
James,

Pre nice to here that you love the sweet sound of HK you can't go wrong with the Mission HK combo.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on May 11, 2003 at 06:49 PM
guys,

do you know the current price of HK 2550 and HK3550?

Thanks!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on May 12, 2003 at 09:50 AM
Quote
san mo binili? dito ba sa pinas? kasi those being  sold at spectra eh pwede sa hindi multi system na TV eh. Pero iisa lang naman ang distributor nyan dito sa pinas di ba? yung beyond innovation ata yun

i bought it from architectural audio last year. this is the first hk5500 and sample unit. i love this unit and have no regret buying it.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on May 12, 2003 at 10:58 AM
guys,

do you know the current price of HK 2550 and HK3550?

Thanks!

'yung HK3550 nasa 25K ata.  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: bejiboys on May 12, 2003 at 11:19 AM
Question to HK fans,

Did I get it right?  The 5500 has DTS-ES but only DD5.1.  The 5550 is the one with DD EX.   Hmmm

Bejiboys
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 12, 2003 at 11:27 AM
Question to HK fans,

Did I get it right?  The 5500 has DTS-ES but only DD5.1.  The 5550 is the one with DD EX.   Hmmm

Bejiboys

Yup, No DD EX..and 5550 is the one with dd-ex and 7.1
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on May 12, 2003 at 11:46 AM
guys,

do you know the current price of HK 2550 and HK3550?

Thanks!

HK 2550 Php 17.5K (max)
HK 3550 Php 21.5 K (max)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on May 12, 2003 at 01:01 PM
thanks philander
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 12, 2003 at 01:41 PM
Sir

Hk 2550 - 17,5k
HK 3550 - out of stock ata
Hk 5500 - 34,5k

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on May 12, 2003 at 03:31 PM
guys,

thanks for your replies.  Currently, i am using a denon 1403 (60w/ch at 8 ohms) matched with mission speakers.  The combination of this setup is really ok except that my M73 doesnt provide a deep bass. I have already loaded sand as per instruction from the manual of this M73 and on my way to bi-wiring it. If things dont change after bi-wiring it, my 1403 probably is having a hard time driving the floorstanders.  I might be forced then to buy HK3550 or 2550 if my budget wont allow me. I am really impressed with the performance of HK receivers. Para akong nagasawa ng denon tapos titingin tingin parin ng HK. hehehe. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 12, 2003 at 04:13 PM
Galing talaga nang HK, two thumbs up :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Uchie on May 13, 2003 at 09:38 AM
YA RYT ayos talaga H/K ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on May 13, 2003 at 05:03 PM
oks na setup ko. Kaya pala mahina bass ng m73i is because i have set my denon to PL II mode but when I changed the settings into a 5ch mode, oks na oks na ang bass nya. That means that I have to stick with my denon and forgo my plan to purchase an HK. I admit though, HKs are really good!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 14, 2003 at 08:54 AM
oks na setup ko. Kaya pala mahina bass ng m73i is because i have set my denon to PL II mode but when I changed the settings into a 5ch mode, oks na oks na ang bass nya. That means that I have to stick with my denon and forgo my plan to purchase an HK. I admit though, HKs are really good!

Ang maganda sa HK eh ibat iba ang speaker at level settings nang bawat surround modes though matrabaho coz u need to configure every surround modes with different level and settings but when ur done the reward is great.  

Dati hirap na hirap ako kasi pag lumipat ako nang ibang surround mode i need to adjust the bass kung nahihinaan ako or binabawasan ko kung masyadong malakas. Sa HK hindi na kasi pag lumipat ka nang mode eh naka adjust na kung gaano kalakas ang gusto mong level for that surround mode.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on May 14, 2003 at 09:07 AM
hi, guys!

i would like to connect my Pioneer DVD 355 to my HK receiver via S-Video cable.   pero nung sinubukan ko na  walang lumalabas na image sa TV.  :(  

meron lalabas na image for a second pag-plug ng cable pero mawawala rin agad...  ??? fyi, naka-unplug 'yung analog connection from the DVD to the reciever nung sinubukan ko 'yung S-Video connection.

when i tried connecting my DVD player directly to the TV via the S-Video cable, okay naman...  

anybody experienced the same problem?  tulong naman...

thanks in advance for the help.  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 14, 2003 at 09:15 AM
hi, guys!

i would like to connect my Pioneer DVD 355 to my HK receiver via S-Video cable.   pero nung sinubukan ko na  walang lumalabas na image sa TV.  :(  

meron lalabas na image for a second pag-plug ng cable pero mawawala rin agad...  ??? fyi, naka-unplug 'yung analog connection from the DVD to the reciever nung sinubukan ko 'yung S-Video connection.

when i tried connecting my DVD player directly to the TV via the S-Video cable, okay naman...  

anybody experienced the same problem?  tulong naman...

thanks in advance for the help.  

Paano naka connect yung HK sa TV mo? if ur using S-Video from DVD to HK, dapat S-Video din from HK to TV unless nag coconvert ang HK mo nang S-Video signal to composite like NAD. And make sure na sa Mon. Out nang HK or dun sa out nang source mo naka connect.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on May 14, 2003 at 09:30 AM
ah...  okay.  'yung receiver-tv connection ko ay composite...  sige, will try what you suggested this evening.

thanks, sir courge!  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 14, 2003 at 09:36 AM
ah...  okay.  'yung receiver-tv connection ko ay composite...  sige, will try what you suggested this evening.

thanks, sir courge!  :)

Ahhh..maybe thats the problem..baka hindi nagcoconvert ang HK nang signal from S-video to composite kaya walang nalabas, check the manual.. Sa NAD kasi kahit S-Video ang connection from DVD to Receiver...pwedeng composite from receiver to TV, i dont know about HK, havnt tried to do that yet, maybe later.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: lakambini on May 14, 2003 at 03:01 PM
how much is the avr 5550?  where can i audition it?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on May 14, 2003 at 03:13 PM
hk 5500 is priced at PhP 34.5K.  if you are in Makati, you can check it out at Spectra (Park Sq 1) or Architectural Audio (New World).  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 14, 2003 at 04:55 PM
how much is the avr 5550?  where can i audition it?

Pare,

The AVR 5550 is not yet available here..i think by september pa ata...and i think almost or double sya nang price nang AVR5500.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 14, 2003 at 08:30 PM
Ahhh..maybe thats the problem..baka hindi nagcoconvert ang HK nang signal from S-video to composite kaya walang nalabas, check the manual.. Sa NAD kasi kahit S-Video ang connection from DVD to Receiver...pwedeng composite from receiver to TV, i dont know about HK, havnt tried to do that yet, maybe later.  :)
courage, palit ka uli ng receiver HK na ba or additional na receiver ito.?

SARS talaga
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 15, 2003 at 08:12 AM
courage, palit ka uli ng receiver HK na ba or additional na receiver ito.?

SARS talaga


ehehehehehe no comment ehehehehehe ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: lakambini on May 15, 2003 at 08:40 AM
 :'(thanx courage,
i can't wait that long to upgrade my receiver.  
what is the equivalent model of the 5550 as to marantz?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on May 15, 2003 at 08:53 AM
the marantz 6300 goes for 30k I think you might miss hk's brute power though hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 15, 2003 at 08:57 AM
:'(thanx courage,
i can't wait that long to upgrade my receiver.  
what is the equivalent model of the 5550 as to marantz?

Why dont u audition the HK5500, IMO oks na oks na ito...although 5.1 lang and walang DD-EX, upgradable naman to 6.1 or 7.1 and may DTS-ES...this is rated at 75 watts X 5, pero dont look at the numbers...this baby can beat even a 110 X 6 receivers dyan pag dating sa power...

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on May 15, 2003 at 09:01 AM
Good day,

 ???Question, with my avr3550, is it best to set all my speakers to small and put all the bass or lfe to the sub. Will that give the best performance both on movies and music? Is it the best setting even watching vcds or listening to radio?

My receiver is in our living room and I'm not sure of the setting for the sub in my receiver, what db should be set on that.

My current speakers are:

m72i - front - +5db
m7c1 - center - +6db
m70 - surround - +5db
ms907 - subwoofer - ????db

hope you guys can help me out...

thanks...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on May 15, 2003 at 09:11 AM
the levels should depend on how each channel sounds, you should hear the same volume for all channels when you generate a test tone.

Its better to set your speakers to large, does your sub have a line in ? if yes connect your sub out from the hk to this.

You have to adjust the settings to your liking and the only optimal setting is what you hear best, just use 0db for your fronts as a reference point (some prefer the center) and then adjust from there, does your receiver have ezset ? you can use that as a starting point and then do some minor adjustments based on what your ears like best.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 15, 2003 at 09:16 AM
Good day,

 ???Question, with my avr3550, is it best to set all my speakers to small and put all the bass or lfe to the sub. Will that give the best performance both on movies and music? Is it the best setting even watching vcds or listening to radio?

My receiver is in our living room and I'm not sure of the setting for the sub in my receiver, what db should be set on that.

My current speakers are:

m72i - front - +5db
m7c1 - center - +6db
m70 - surround - +5db
ms907 - subwoofer - ????db

hope you guys can help me out...

thanks...

Pare best settings and levels for speakers depends on u, try playing around with the settings and levels of all channels..kung ano maganda tunog para sa iyo yun ang setting na gawin mo.

The good thing about setting all ur speakers to small is hindi hirap ang amp mo coz all those LFE eh yung sub ang tatrabaho at hindi yung amp..

Also setting a speaker to small or large depends on the capability of ur speakers.

Sa level nang sub mo, listen to it and set it sa level na hindi sobrang lakas at hindi sobrang hina...Try using the EZsetup nang HK or better  configure it using SPL meter.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on May 15, 2003 at 09:40 AM
ok guys, thanks for the tips....  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on May 15, 2003 at 10:18 AM
Ahhh..maybe thats the problem..baka hindi nagcoconvert ang HK nang signal from S-video to composite kaya walang nalabas, check the manual.. Sa NAD kasi kahit S-Video ang connection from DVD to Receiver...pwedeng composite from receiver to TV, i dont know about HK, havnt tried to do that yet, maybe later.  :)

i tried the above last night & it worked!  ayos!   :)

thanks for the help!   :)
 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 15, 2003 at 10:23 AM
i tried the above last night & it worked!  ayos!   :)

thanks for the help!   :)
 

No problem bro...enjoy ur HK ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 15, 2003 at 12:19 PM
Greatness,

It depend on your speakers try ko check out the frequency range tapos from there you can determined if you can set it to Large or small as for LFE may crossover cut off yun so yun low bass pwede re-direct sa sub mo para di mapwersa front speakers or better yet try to experiment first with the SUB turn off so you can hear the difference of setting small or large.. and if your HK remote have EZset use it and set your volume to - 7 db..



 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 15, 2003 at 12:24 PM
ehehehehehe no comment ehehehehehe ;D ;D ;D

3 times in a span of 3-4 months......  nag mutate ang SARS mo he he he he h ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 15, 2003 at 12:33 PM
Qman,

Sir span of 1 month lang ata yun sir hehehe joke lang sir courage ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 15, 2003 at 01:39 PM
Qman,

Sir span of 1 month lang ata yun sir hehehe joke lang sir courage ;D

Ehehehehe....i hate this virus ;D

Este mali, my wife hate this virus ehehehehehe ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 15, 2003 at 01:39 PM
3 times in a span of 3-4 months......  nag mutate ang SARS mo he he he he h ;D

1 1/2 month  to be exact ehehehehehe ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on May 15, 2003 at 05:48 PM
RM 100 AV Technology


Amplifiers provide the current that powers a loudspeaker. An amplifier's current capability is a function of power supply engineering and storage capacity. Standard amplifier ratings are determined by connecting an amplifier to a precise 8 ohm resistor. This arrangement makes very slight demands for current. For instance, a 40 volt output into an 8 ohm resistor can generate a 100 watts of power with less than 3 amperes of current. Loudspeakers, however, do not exhibit a constant resistance. A loudspeaker's resistance (impedence) varies with frequency response. A speaker rated at 8 ohms can easily fluctuate between 4 and 16 ohms throughout the frequency spectrum. At points, an amplifier may be required to deliver six times the current that is required by a perfectly resistive 8 ohm load. Producing a 100 watt output into a typical 8-ohm loudspeaker may very well require an instantaneous current capability of 20 amperes. When Harman Kardon designed the landmark Citation XX in 1980, it had a rating of 100 amperes peak output. Today, even our lowest priced receivers are engineered with current capabilities that far exceed those for competing products. All Harman Kardon power amplifier circuits, including those in our receivers, are designed to deliver high continuous current in relation to their nominal rated power. It is often noted that Harman Kardon's lowest powered receivers sound more dynamic and powerful than competing units with two to three times the power. This is because the competing units commonly have less than half the current capability. As with cubic inches in an automobile engine, there is no substitute for current capability in an amplifier. High Current Capability and Ultrawide Bandwith are fundamental design principles incorporated into all Harman Kardon receivers and amplifiers. These and other design elements are commonly referred to as RM100 AV Technology.

Galing talaga ng HK! ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on May 15, 2003 at 06:34 PM
bakit wala ako makita na review ng HK 3550? The only review i saw was about hk 2550 at http://www.homecinemachoice.com.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jofkevski on May 15, 2003 at 06:46 PM
It really interests me how come, despite this tech discussion and ampacity rating thats seems good in paper, is not consistently reflected in side-by-side reviews of AVR of which HK is one of the participants.

I just came across 1 head-to-head review where HK top it but by a small margin - but normally HK is basically overtaken by either marantz or Denon in musicality, and by Yamaha in HT.

I mean, these people have standards of measurement and have all reference gadgets to put all AVR in equal footing, and all thing being equal in test labs or listening room, have to be tested one by one and their merits compared. And they are not alone to vote for the best also.

I just came to think that perhaps, all this are just marketing gimmicks by HK, and maybe marketing gimicks by respective review organization of which all AVR manufacturers are involved (including HK for this matter). So like NAD pushing their PowerDrive tech, and Yamaha their TopArt, and Onkyo the WRAT and so forth and so on.

Bottomline, I just learned in this hobby that not all that is expensive is better. and not all that is cheap is substandard. Maybe it is also a skill when people learn to see the real value of a certain quality.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on May 15, 2003 at 07:09 PM
system matching is also important, "cheap" or entry level receivers may sound more expensive matched with the right speakers. and all tests being done, it will still be subjective to the listener which is better for music or ht.

Anyway, can music be measured???
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 15, 2003 at 11:46 PM
1 1/2 month  to be exact ehehehehehe ;D

Kya hindi tayo madedeklara ng WHO na SARS free eh ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on May 16, 2003 at 08:10 AM


Bottomline, I just learned in this hobby that not all that is expensive is better. and not all that is cheap is substandard. Maybe it is also a skill when people learn to see the real value of a certain quality.



Such skill is not very common!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jofkevski on May 16, 2003 at 10:31 AM
Yes, such skill is not common. And I guess, one intent of this forum is really for us to educate one another so we will become better evaluator of what we buy - not basing it in marketing strategies.

Though somehow, this is also difficult. take the case of Sony betamax which is far better tech than JVC VHS and yet, because VHS has good mktg, it prevailed.

Or another example of IBM OS/2 and Microsoft Windows. Because IBM was bad in its intent, the better OS/2 died a natural commercial death.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on May 16, 2003 at 01:20 PM
"Audio is one of the most complex games there is. We would all like to think we know what is right and that what we buy/bought is the best we could have."  :o ::) ;D :(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Jairus on May 16, 2003 at 03:34 PM
Attn: Archi Audio

Available ba 3550? pa PM naman ng price. Will try to visit your shop within next week.

Jairus

P.S. pakisama na rin 2550.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 19, 2003 at 12:16 PM
Ahhh..maybe thats the problem..baka hindi nagcoconvert ang HK nang signal from S-video to composite kaya walang nalabas, check the manual.. Sa NAD kasi kahit S-Video ang connection from DVD to Receiver...pwedeng composite from receiver to TV, i dont know about HK, havnt tried to do that yet, maybe later.  :)

courage anong nangyari sa subok mo dito gumana baga?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on May 19, 2003 at 12:41 PM
sir, sa HK, dapat parehong naka S-Video yung galing sa DVD player at yung papuntang TV.  fyi.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 19, 2003 at 12:46 PM
sir, sa HK, dapat parehong naka S-Video yung galing sa DVD player at yung papuntang TV.  fyi.  :)
tenx geko, akala ko uubra at susubukan ko sana mamaya para maayos ko ang problema ko sa prima dvd ko.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 19, 2003 at 12:59 PM
tenx geko, akala ko uubra at susubukan ko sana mamaya para maayos ko ang problema ko sa prima dvd ko.

Pare hindi sya nag coconvert, dapat kung s-video gamit mo eh s-video din frm AVR to TV.

Sa nad kasi kinokonvert nya from composite to s-video and from s-video to composite, hindi lang pag component ang connection mo.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on May 22, 2003 at 12:46 PM
To all hk guys

Question,

Normal ba na kapag gumamit ako ng EZ set-up ng 3550, minaximize nya yung speaker level to +10db sa lahat ng speakers ko? hinde kasi pantay ang distances ng surround speakers ko tapos may nagsabi sakin na dapat babaan ko level ng set-up ng EZ set.

my speakers are bookshelf tapos wala pa akong sub.

Also, does EZset also set-up the level of the sub? kasi kapag nabili ako ng sub, panibagong set-up uli yun.

hope that u can help me...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 22, 2003 at 12:52 PM
To all hk guys

Question,

Normal ba na kapag gumamit ako ng EZ set-up ng 3550, minaximize nya yung speaker level to +10db sa lahat ng speakers ko? hinde kasi pantay ang distances ng surround speakers ko tapos may nagsabi sakin na dapat babaan ko level ng set-up ng EZ set.

my speakers are bookshelf tapos wala pa akong sub.

Also, does EZset also set-up the level of the sub? kasi kapag nabili ako ng sub, panibagong set-up uli yun.

hope that u can help me...

Yup its normal, binabalance lang naman ni EZsetup yung speaker level nang lahat nang speakers mo, so no problem kung gawin nyang +10 yung level. minsan nga eh yung isang speaker eh +5 then yung isa eh +10 depende sa placement at laki nang room mo.

About the sub, no pang 5 channels lang yung EZ and does not adjust the level of ur sub, manually mo nang i aadjust yung LFE level mo. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on May 22, 2003 at 01:03 PM
subukan mo itaas pa ang volume level ng A/V mo.  siguro gawin mong -10dB.  tapos try mo ulit 'yung EZ set.  check if the speaker levels will go down from + 10 to about +7 or lower.  

hope this helps.   :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on May 22, 2003 at 02:23 PM
courage and geko - salamat po sa info.

subukan ko mamaya geko
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on May 23, 2003 at 06:00 AM

Or better yet, get an SPL Meter. Meron sa Radioshack. Just don't know the price. Mas-accurate yon.

Anyway, the best way is to manually adjust and trust your ears.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Jairus on May 28, 2003 at 03:35 PM
Finally decided on an HK3550 :D.  Bought it yesterday and partnered it with Wharf 8.3s.  I must say it sounded warm and sweet especially on strings and vocals.  Norah Jones seems to be singing right in front of me :o...
Thank you guys for the inputs, reviews and recommendation that led me to this great decision. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ramble_on on May 28, 2003 at 03:41 PM
sir jairus, how much did you get the 3550 for?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Jairus on May 28, 2003 at 03:54 PM
sent you a PM
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 28, 2003 at 03:57 PM
Finally decided on an HK3550 :D.  Bought it yesterday and partnered it with Wharf 8.3s.  I must say it sounded warm and sweet especially on strings and vocals.  Norah Jones seems to be singing right in front of me :o...
Thank you guys for the inputs, reviews and recommendation that led me to this great decision. :)

Uyyy congrats on ur new toy, Im also using an 8.3 and an HK and it really sound good :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on May 28, 2003 at 04:21 PM
Finally decided on an HK3550 :D.  Bought it yesterday and partnered it with Wharf 8.3s.  I must say it sounded warm and sweet especially on strings and vocals.  Norah Jones seems to be singing right in front of me :o...
Thank you guys for the inputs, reviews and recommendation that led me to this great decision. :)

congratulations!  enjoy your new toy!   :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 28, 2003 at 04:27 PM
Finally decided on an HK3550 :D.  Bought it yesterday and partnered it with Wharf 8.3s.  I must say it sounded warm and sweet especially on strings and vocals.  Norah Jones seems to be singing right in front of me :o...
Thank you guys for the inputs, reviews and recommendation that led me to this great decision. :)
mabuhay ang harman kardon fanatics.  galeng nyan walang pagsisisi ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 28, 2003 at 04:29 PM
mabuhay ang harman kardon fanatics.  galeng nyan walang pagsisisi ;D

Correct ka dyan ehehehe..pare sino ka dun sa pic sa basketball eb nyo ehehehe :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 28, 2003 at 04:48 PM
Correct ka dyan ehehehe..pare sino ka dun sa pic sa basketball eb nyo ehehehe :)

naghuhulaan pa sila doon sa kabilang thread ey mamya na lang pagka hinatulan na ni dexc ang mga sagot para suspense ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on May 29, 2003 at 01:11 AM
dumami na talaga ang hk fanatics dito. tatlong linggo lang akong di nakapg-login ang dami ng nadadagan sa barangay hk. hehehe namimiss ko na ang receiver ko. :(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 29, 2003 at 12:36 PM
dumami na talaga ang hk fanatics dito. tatlong linggo lang akong di nakapg-login ang dami ng nadadagan sa barangay hk. hehehe namimiss ko na ang receiver ko. :(

Pare long time no hear ah ehehehe...send u an e-mail, check mo mga rotels dyan :) pagnakabili ka na bigyan mo kami nang reviews ehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 29, 2003 at 04:30 PM
Courage,

Pre after the quick change of cables  ;D ;D grabe enjoy to  the max ako..  btw last Saturday done some quick break in yun face to face and lalo lumabas yun details and bass..  :o :o  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 29, 2003 at 04:47 PM
Courage,

Pre after the quick change of cables  ;D ;D grabe enjoy to  the max ako..  btw last Saturday done some quick break in yun face to face and lalo lumabas yun details and bass..  :o :o  

Wala pa akong nagagawa sa mga cables ko.....try ko muna ang bi wire para lalong mag improve ang tunog ehehe :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: DVDAdik on May 30, 2003 at 10:57 AM
My TV has only composite video input...

i read in this thread that i will have a problem if i will use the s-video of dvd player to hk and composite of dvd player to tv...

what to solve this kind of stuff? ty
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 30, 2003 at 11:01 AM
My TV has only composite video input...

i read in this thread that i will have a problem if i will use the s-video of dvd player to hk and composite of dvd player to tv...

what to solve this kind of stuff? ty

Then dont use S-Video if ur TV does not support S-Video, use composite cables all the way. or directly connect ur DVD player to ur TV using composite connection. HK do not convert composite to S-video or S-video to composite. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: DVDAdik on May 30, 2003 at 11:10 AM
Thanks bro.

looks like im going to get hk na rin... :)

OT:  which is better s-video or composite?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 30, 2003 at 11:11 AM
Thanks bro.

looks like im going to get hk na rin... :)

OT:  which is better s-video or composite?

Much better on video quality ang s-video.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: DVDAdik on May 30, 2003 at 11:37 AM
mali pala ako ng tanong....

what i mean is dvd component video input against s-video?  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 30, 2003 at 11:45 AM
mali pala ako ng tanong....

what i mean is dvd component video input against s-video?  

Much better ang component kesa s-video :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: htboy on May 30, 2003 at 03:45 PM
Can someone advice me if mas OK ang HK3550 sa DENON1803?  Also PM me price of 3550.

Thanks a lot.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dexterc on May 30, 2003 at 03:58 PM
Can someone advice me if mas OK ang HK3550 sa DENON1803?  Also PM me price of 3550.

Thanks a lot.


Pare di kapantay ng 1803 ang hk3550....price and features wise lamang ang 1803...if you want to compare hk3550 with denon maybe the 1603 ang kapantay nya...or better else audition ka na lang para ma determine mo kung ano ang tama sa panlasa mo..mapa movies o music  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on May 30, 2003 at 05:09 PM
Htboy,

For me, I would suggest in getting the hk3550 over the denon 1803 based from the sound of both music and movies.

I even tried the other receivers like:

yamaha rxv430
onkyo sr500 and sr600
marantz sr4300 and sr5300

and it turned out that the best for me was the hk3550.

also consider what speakers would you be using, it just so happen that I really like the mission and hk combo.

that's all.....

Long Live HK!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 30, 2003 at 06:31 PM
greatness,

anong mission ang match mo sa hk mo? :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nerveblocker on May 31, 2003 at 07:27 AM
DVDAdik-  you can buy an S-video to composite adaptor at Radioshack (Rockwell).  Output S-video from your DVD player and composite input to your TV ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on May 31, 2003 at 08:05 AM
Qman,

sir, my mission speakers are:

m72i for fronts
m7c1i for center
m70 for surrounds

no sub yet. (ipon pa)

that is connected to my hk3550 and i'm using the basic pioneer dv233 dvd player.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: slowhand on May 31, 2003 at 08:30 AM
Which HK receivers have pre-outs?
Price ranges too, if possible. Thanks!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on May 31, 2003 at 04:21 PM
Qman,

sir, my mission speakers are:

m72i for fronts
m7c1i for center
m70 for surrounds

no sub yet. (ipon pa)

that is connected to my hk3550 and i'm using the basic pioneer dv233 dvd player.
tenx greatness, pinag iisipan ko rin ang mission eh.  sa budget ko kumpleto ko agad pro kung b&W naman medyo matagal made-delay ang pag kumpleto.  Iniisip ko rin ang athena narining ko na iyon at oks na oks.

matagal na sayo ang mission mo?

sorry sa OT.  para di halata mabuhay ang HK!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on May 31, 2003 at 09:23 PM
Qman,

   If you can stretch your budget, go for B&W. What model are you eyeing?

Levi
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: htboy on May 31, 2003 at 11:27 PM
Can someon PM me current price of HK3550.  TY
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 01, 2003 at 12:09 AM
Can someon PM me current price of HK3550.  TY

Sent you PM.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: htboy on Jun 01, 2003 at 08:40 AM
Thanks...

Medyo mahal pala siya,  Parang mas OK yata ang denon price wise and feature wise.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 01, 2003 at 05:07 PM
Htboy,

Sir tip go for the best sounding AVR for you...  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Jun 01, 2003 at 11:53 PM
Qman,

   If you can stretch your budget, go for B&W. What model are you eyeing?

Levi
gusto ko kasi kumpleto na pag bumili dahil mahirap makiusap ke misis uli na magkaroon ng bagong budget.  Kya once lang, me budget pro hinahapit ko pa na lumaki laki pa para maabot ang 5 speaker set kahit iyong sub saka na.  nasabay kasi sa pagawa ng bahay. di naman ako nagmamadali kasi hinihintay ko rin matapos ang lugar ng set up kya oks lang.  

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Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Jairus on Jun 02, 2003 at 07:42 AM
Got my 3550 for 21k. don't know if that's the cheapest price though.  I was told they recently had a price increase...the lowest price i read posted here in this thread was 20.5k.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 02, 2003 at 10:55 AM
Htboy,

Like what Hans Adriane said, go for the sound.

For me, sound wise is definitely Harman. For features, price and great sound, I'll choose Marantz after Harman.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 02, 2003 at 11:07 AM
Thanks...

Medyo mahal pala siya,  Parang mas OK yata ang denon price wise and feature wise.



Pare audition the HK and the Denon side by side, then saka mo tingnan ang wallet mo. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: htboy on Jun 02, 2003 at 11:58 AM
Mga Pare,

denon 1803 / HK 3550

Di ba in terms of Power/6.1 and etc.  Lamang ang 1803 sa 3550?

I think dapat nga ma audition both.  Honestly speaking hindi ko pa nakikita and HK, as shops in shngrila don't have it.

Where ko kaya sya ma audition both?  

Bigay kasi sa akin 1803 21,500

What do you think? I will match it kasi with Wharfdale 8.3/8.1/center/DQ-12 which I will pick up this week.  Naba ko nga in this thread na HK suits most speakers.  Ang iniisip ko lang is 3550 is 5.1 lang.  

Suggestions please.  Thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on Jun 02, 2003 at 12:19 PM
Pare audition the HK and the Denon side by side, then saka mo tingnan ang wallet mo. :)

agree!  do a side-by-side audition...   pero siyempre dapat maliwanag ang criteria mo sa pagpili.  sound ba?  features ba?  upgrade path ba?      

tapos pag-isipan mong mabuti....  kung kaya mong mag-delay ng ilang araw, do so.  malay mo, baka magbago isip mo after a day or two.  
 
tapos, go get the one that met most of your criteria - especially the most important ones.  'yung tipong pagkanakahiga ka na bago matulog sa gabi, you can say to yourself that you made the right choice.   :)

good luck!

btw, imho, hk is a very good investment.   :)  
     
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Jairus on Jun 02, 2003 at 12:24 PM
Audition the combination you're looking at and then decide...I did and got myself the HK3550/Wharf combi...great sound..no regrets :D.  The power rating of the HK is very conservative, you should hear it to appreciate how it drive the supposedly difficult to drive speakers like the Wharfs. :o
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Jun 02, 2003 at 12:39 PM
Mga Pare,

denon 1803 / HK 3550

Di ba in terms of Power/6.1 and etc.  Lamang ang 1803 sa 3550?

I think dapat nga ma audition both.  Honestly speaking hindi ko pa nakikita and HK, as shops in shngrila don't have it.

Where ko kaya sya ma audition both?  

Bigay kasi sa akin 1803 21,500

What do you think? I will match it kasi with Wharfdale 8.3/8.1/center/DQ-12 which I will pick up this week.  Naba ko nga in this thread na HK suits most speakers.  Ang iniisip ko lang is 3550 is 5.1 lang.  

Suggestions please.  Thanks

sa Architectural Audio kontakin mo si Epoy or Nico.  They are very helpful.  lahat ng kanilang equipment ipa-pa audition sayo kahit di mo sila tanungin.  pra magkaroon ka lang ng Idea.  member sila ng PDVD kaya PM mo na lang sila.  i bought mine from them.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 02, 2003 at 02:23 PM
Mga Pare,

denon 1803 / HK 3550

Di ba in terms of Power/6.1 and etc.  Lamang ang 1803 sa 3550?

I think dapat nga ma audition both.  Honestly speaking hindi ko pa nakikita and HK, as shops in shngrila don't have it.

Where ko kaya sya ma audition both?  

Bigay kasi sa akin 1803 21,500

What do you think? I will match it kasi with Wharfdale 8.3/8.1/center/DQ-12 which I will pick up this week.  Naba ko nga in this thread na HK suits most speakers.  Ang iniisip ko lang is 3550 is 5.1 lang.  

Suggestions please.  Thanks

You can audition both at Spectra in Park Square makati, they have the 1803 HK and Wharfs speakers so talagang mapapagpilian mo.

I owned a Denon 1803 pero di ko nagustuhan ang combination with wharfs kaya pinalitan ko. Maganda ang Denon with the Mission speakers kaya lang mas mahal sa Wharfs. Para sa akin the Wharfs will sound good on a Yamaha, NAD and HK, i know kasi naka experience na akong guamit nang mga Receivers na yan, but hey its just me baka kung anong maganda sa akin eh pangit a iyo, but lot of HK users here are using wharfs  speakers, and pare pareho kaming nagandahan sa HK adn Wharfs combi.

Dont under estimate the power rating of HK, kung sa printed paper natin i cocompare eh lamang talaga ang Denon with its 80 watts /ch power rating, even my AVR5500 is no match sa power according sa naka print sa paper  which is only 75 watts /ch, but wait till u hear it side by side with a Denon and ull know what i mean. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jun 02, 2003 at 11:52 PM
Mga Pare,

denon 1803 / HK 3550

Di ba in terms of Power/6.1 and etc.  Lamang ang 1803 sa 3550?

I think dapat nga ma audition both.  Honestly speaking hindi ko pa nakikita and HK, as shops in shngrila don't have it.

Where ko kaya sya ma audition both?  

Bigay kasi sa akin 1803 21,500

What do you think? I will match it kasi with Wharfdale 8.3/8.1/center/DQ-12 which I will pick up this week.  Naba ko nga in this thread na HK suits most speakers.  Ang iniisip ko lang is 3550 is 5.1 lang.  

Suggestions please.  Thanks

    I agree with Courage. Try to audition both and do it several times. You dont want to regret your decision. Try to make a research on the features, just check their websites. Another important thing is that you should know what you need. Type of Sound ( eg warm, bright, laid-back etc ), Features (eg 5.1/6.1/7.1, Preouts, DD/DTS/DPL2, Component input, DAC, number of inputs, power, Multiroom, HDCD, etc), Dependability, Price, Service Center, Looks etc. Make sure you are getting the features you need and not be influence by features you might not able to use.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on Jun 03, 2003 at 05:02 AM
Qman,

sori at ngayon lang ako nakareply, busy kasi. yung mission na front speakers ko ay mga 5 mos. old pa  samantalang yung center at surround ay 2 mos. pa lang. Medyo lilmited budget ko kya pinag-iiponan ko yung sub, planning to buy a mordaunt short sub na downfiring kasi.

if u have a budget though, like what sir levi recommended, go for the b&w. mas matibay ata yun (bka mas ok yung sound sa misiion, not sure), i did not test na kasi for dat speakers with hk coz nakabili na ako ng mission bago ako nagpalit ng receiver..... pero i'm happy and contented naman eh  ;D, no plan of upgrades yet.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: redtangent on Jun 03, 2003 at 10:18 PM
harmand kardon 3550 or Yamaha 630 to drive wharf 8.4's?

pricewise and features.. 630 leads due to the fact that its 6.1.. then again.. the harman is supposed to be a more powerful output in terms of sound... i know i have to listen to the combinations.. but what do you guys think?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jun 04, 2003 at 01:47 AM
IMO, I will go for Harman.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Jairus on Jun 04, 2003 at 07:46 AM
redtangent,

If you're going to use it mostly for movies, Yamaha is good.  But if you want something that is good both in movies and music then HK is the choice ;).  How much is the 630 now?

Jairus
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: redtangent on Jun 04, 2003 at 08:24 AM
jai mga 18,800

talaga? ok ba tong HK3550 for the wharfs 8.4?

what do you have?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 04, 2003 at 08:39 AM
IMO, I will go for Harman.

redtangent,

I agree with sir levi, ill go with the Harman also.  :)

Pero audition both..dont buy it coz maraming nagsasabi na HK or Yamaha ang maganda, what may sound good to us might sound bad to you.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: redtangent on Jun 04, 2003 at 01:16 PM
for sure mga bro.. hahaha audition to death hanggang ayaw na ako makita nung mga sales people hehehe...

which ones though na harman would you recommend.. 3550 or 2550? hehehe

hinayang lang talaga ako na yung yamaha may 6.1 na discrete na hehehe... yun lang
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 04, 2003 at 01:22 PM
for sure mga bro.. hahaha audition to death hanggang ayaw na ako makita nung mga sales people hehehe...

which ones though na harman would you recommend.. 3550 or 2550? hehehe

hinayang lang talaga ako na yung yamaha may 6.1 na discrete na hehehe... yun lang

Go with the 3550, if u can extend ur budget go with the 5500 pare pwede ka mag 6.1 or 7.1 later on at  hindi ka manghinayang sa Yamaha na 6.1. :)

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: redtangent on Jun 04, 2003 at 01:26 PM
medyo sobra stretch hahaha...

teka anong equivalent models nyan sa US?

3550 is 320 ba? and so on and so forth?

anong differences?

magkano naman yung 5500 hehehe... 30? may pre outs din ba to just in case i decide to use a separate amp?

thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 04, 2003 at 01:47 PM
medyo sobra stretch hahaha...

teka anong equivalent models nyan sa US?

3550 is 320 ba? and so on and so forth?

anong differences?

magkano naman yung 5500 hehehe... 30? may pre outs din ba to just in case i decide to use a separate amp?

thanks

the 5500 is 34.5k at spectra and archi. audio.

Yup may preouts all channels and 8 channel inputs. it also has a 5 channel Main Ins para pwede mo syang gawing power amp lang :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: wolf on Jun 04, 2003 at 03:11 PM
Courage,

OKS ba yun HK 5550?

Saan mo pala nabili?  Gusto ko nga ma adution yun 3550 and 5550 kasi gusto ko 6.1 pero budget won't permit.

Bahala na!!!  Where can I see both at good prices

Thanks man

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Jun 04, 2003 at 03:20 PM
3550 is only 5.1.
If you want 6.1,  go with 5500. You will need a separate amp though for the rear channel since 5500 only has 5 amp channels.

euro-> US
4500-> AVR 320
4550-> AVR 325
5500-> AVR 520
5550-> AVR 525

tama ba?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 04, 2003 at 03:34 PM
Courage,

OKS ba yun HK 5550?

Saan mo pala nabili?  Gusto ko nga ma adution yun 3550 and 5550 kasi gusto ko 6.1 pero budget won't permit.

Bahala na!!!  Where can I see both at good prices

Thanks man



U can audition those HK's at Archi. Audio and Spectra in makati
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: wolf on Jun 04, 2003 at 03:34 PM
Sillyputty,

Do you mean na 5 channel output lang ang HK 5550? And I have to buy a seperate amp for the 6th?

Sobrang mahal pala ito, way way out of my league.

Sir, what do you suggest to pair with my wharf speakers.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 04, 2003 at 03:36 PM
Sillyputty,

Do you mean na 5 channel output lang ang HK 5550? And I have to buy a seperate amp for the 6th?

Sobrang mahal pala ito, way way out of my league.

Sir, what do you suggest to pair with my wharf speakers.


Para sa akin Yamaha, Marantz, HK and NAD will sound good on wharfs speakers
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 04, 2003 at 03:39 PM
Sillyputty,

Do you mean na 5 channel output lang ang HK 5550? And I have to buy a seperate amp for the 6th?

Sobrang mahal pala ito, way way out of my league.

Sir, what do you suggest to pair with my wharf speakers.

Actually the model you are refferring to is H/K 5500. And yes, the H/K 5500 needs an additional amplifier to amplify the surround back.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: wolf on Jun 04, 2003 at 03:47 PM
Thanks to u both.

Mapapaisip na naman ako ngayon.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 04, 2003 at 04:03 PM
Wolf,

Try mo rin yung iba pang Recievers like Marantz Sr4300/5300, Onkyo 500*/600, Pioneer 811S, Yamaha X40 series. All of them are 6.1 (*- 5.1 only), though the Yamaha X40 series are not yet available here.

For me I'll choose Harman (even the HK 3550 w/c is 5.1), Marantz, Denon, Yamaha/Onkyo, Pioneer.... in order. Haven't heard of NAD and Rotel though.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dexterc on Jun 04, 2003 at 04:06 PM
Wolf,

Try mo rin yung iba pang Recievers like Marantz Sr4300/5300, Onkyo 500*/600, Pioneer 811S, Yamaha X40 series. All of them are 6.1 (*- 5.1 only), though the Yamaha X40 series are not yet available here.

For me I'll choose Harman (even the HK 3550 w/c is 5.1), Marantz, Denon, Yamaha/Onkyo, Pioneer.... in order. Haven't heard of NAD and Rotel though.


Philander,

Why you got marantz over harman?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 04, 2003 at 04:47 PM
Philander,

Why you got marantz over harman?

Wala ng pera para pandagdag.  :(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Jairus on Jun 04, 2003 at 05:41 PM
wolf,

pakinggan mo 3550 and wharf combi..that's what i recently got and am very satisfied.  Or you can also audition the 4300/Mission combi...this is another option i was considering before...

let your ears decide... :)

Jairus
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on Jun 04, 2003 at 05:51 PM
redtangent,

I believe that the us version for the 3550 is the avr 225.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Jun 04, 2003 at 07:40 PM
Qman,

sori at ngayon lang ako nakareply, busy kasi. yung mission na front speakers ko ay mga 5 mos. old pa  samantalang yung center at surround ay 2 mos. pa lang. Medyo lilmited budget ko kya pinag-iiponan ko yung sub, planning to buy a mordaunt short sub na downfiring kasi.

if u have a budget though, like what sir levi recommended, go for the b&w. mas matibay ata yun (bka mas ok yung sound sa misiion, not sure), i did not test na kasi for dat speakers with hk coz nakabili na ako ng mission bago ako nagpalit ng receiver..... pero i'm happy and contented naman eh  ;D, no plan of upgrades yet.


tenk you.
i heard the combi of b&W at HK sa archie, kya di ko maalis sa isip ko ang B&W eh talgang kursunadang kursunada ko.   Kya hahapitin ko muna ang budget para umabot doon.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 08, 2003 at 04:15 PM
Redtangent,

Pre go for HK 3550 kung Wharf speaker type mo.. ako still have my 8.1 with me used it as surround but have change my AVR from Onkyo, Yamaha, NAD and now HK pero the BEST pa rin is to audition what you want.. then decided  :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 08, 2003 at 04:17 PM
Qman,

Aba pre B&W talaga naman ganda yan!! kahit ano siguro AVR ang pair nya. ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: MS on Jun 08, 2003 at 04:35 PM
I sold my AVR 325(AVR 4550) and bought the AVR 525(AVR 5550) paired with B&W 602 s3 for front.

Ganda ng Combi!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cvthunder on Jun 11, 2003 at 08:21 AM
you might want to try the h/k w/ the acoustic enery aegis evo series.  yun nga lang, sabi ng upscale it only comes in black.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Jun 11, 2003 at 12:10 PM
MS - Magkano kuha mo sa 525 and san?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 11, 2003 at 12:42 PM
MS - Magkano kuha mo sa 525 and san?

Sa US meron nyan, wala nyan dito...ang counterpart nyan is the AVR5550 kya lang wala pang available...siguradong double yan nang price nang 5500. Kasi yung 325 na lang if converted to peso eh mas mahal na sa 5500 lalo na ang 525.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Jun 11, 2003 at 03:56 PM
Sa US meron nyan, wala nyan dito...ang counterpart nyan is the AVR5550 kya lang wala pang available...siguradong double yan nang price nang 5500. Kasi yung 325 na lang if converted to peso eh mas mahal na sa 5500 lalo na ang 525.

bababa din ang presyo nyan courage or me mag po post nyan sa marketplace thread ng Pinoy dvd.  unahan na latayo kung sakali ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 11, 2003 at 04:20 PM
bababa din ang presyo nyan courage or me mag po post nyan sa marketplace thread ng Pinoy dvd.  unahan na latayo kung sakali ;D

Ehehehe pare di ko na palitan to, kasi halos ganun din naman ang 5500 at 5550 eh..naka DD EX lang yun ...yung atin eh hindi pa..tapos 7 channels na yun yung atin hindi pa...

Kung mag upgrade man ako maybe after 20 years eh baka Rotel na ehehehehe ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Jun 11, 2003 at 05:49 PM
Hintayin nyo na lang ibenta ni MS yung 525 nya.
Yung 325 nga, ok na yun, binenta pa niya...
Magkakasakit din ng SARS yan... hehehehehe ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: MS on Jun 11, 2003 at 05:53 PM
Hintayin nyo na lang ibenta ni MS yung 525 nya.
Yung 325 nga, ok na yun, binenta pa niya...
Magkakasakit din ng SARS yan... hehehehehe ;D

Baka nga ibenta ko rin... If the Price is right! ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 12, 2003 at 08:08 AM
Baka nga ibenta ko rin... If the Price is right! ;D

O yan Qman, may balak ngang ibenta, awitan mo na ehehehehe.. ;D

MS,

Ano naman ipapalit mo AVR7200 wowwwwwwwww ehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: MS on Jun 12, 2003 at 11:16 AM
Kung maganda lang naman ang offer tsaka ko lang ibebenta. ;D  Or pag meron na pambili ng AVR7200.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 12, 2003 at 11:27 AM
MS,

Magkano ba kuha mo sa 525? nasa pilipins ka ba ngayon? or nasa US?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: MS on Jun 12, 2003 at 11:40 AM
Dito ko sa pinas.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 12, 2003 at 12:01 PM
MS,

Ganda nga ng B&W / HK combo!!  :D :D malupet!! 5550 if the price is right daw??? mmhh naku lalo lang outside di kulambo ako nyan
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 12, 2003 at 01:14 PM
Dito ko sa pinas.

Paano mo nabili yung 525? paano na deliver dito?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Jun 12, 2003 at 08:31 PM
Paano mo nabili yung 525? paano na deliver dito?
SARS na naman? ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: MS on Jun 12, 2003 at 09:51 PM
Paano mo nabili yung 525? paano na deliver dito?

Binili ko lang yung AVR 525 sa friend ko. Nilagay sa Balikbayan Box.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Jun 13, 2003 at 03:27 AM
Binili ko lang yung AVR 525 sa friend ko. Nilagay sa Balikbayan Box.
nakupo nabigyan ng ideya si courage, maga-upgrade uli yan... ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 14, 2003 at 08:14 AM
nakupo nabigyan ng ideya si courage, maga-upgrade uli yan... ;D

Ahahahaha, hinde ehehehe, nag tatanong lang, kuntento na ako sa 5500 ehehehehe kahit walang DD EX, speakers naman ang pinagiisipan ko either buy an 8.1 to complete my surrounds or palitan ko lahat with a Mission, Polk Audio or Yung Kef Crista , pero plano pa lang yun and its Top Secret ehehehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on Jun 17, 2003 at 11:50 AM
Tanong ko lang po sa mga hk people kung anong magandang mura na coax at rca na magamit from my dvd player to my hk3550 and also speaker cable connected sa mission m70 series.

salamat po.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dexterc on Jun 17, 2003 at 01:06 PM
Tanong ko lang po sa mga hk people kung anong magandang mura na coax at rca na magamit from my dvd player to my hk3550 and also speaker cable connected sa mission m70 series.

salamat po.
Try using ixos 6006 para sa front speakers mo...generic will do sa surround IMHO since effects lang naman ang lalabas dun...sa audio may napansin akong difference kung branded speaker cables ang gamit ko

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 17, 2003 at 01:51 PM
Try using ixos 6006 para sa front speakers mo...generic will do sa surround IMHO since effects lang naman ang lalabas dun...sa audio may napansin akong difference kung branded speaker cables ang gamit ko



Dex, magkano yang cable na yan?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Jun 17, 2003 at 01:56 PM
courage, ang alam ko nasa 350 per meter
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on Jun 17, 2003 at 04:09 PM
dexterc,

ok, salamat sa suggestion. I myt as well use it na rin sa center speaker ko. i hope na mapapansin ko din yung difference.

should i connect it using banana plug or bare wire na lang?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dexterc on Jun 17, 2003 at 04:15 PM
dexterc,

ok, salamat sa suggestion. I myt as well use it na rin sa center speaker ko. i hope na mapapansin ko din yung difference.

should i connect it using banana plug or bare wire na lang?


Kung di ka rin lang palit lipat ng speakers...better yung bare wire na lang...lesser yung loss.Pero kung mahilig ka mag experiment ng speaker placement mo..o kaya palit ng speakers...mas convinient yung may banana plug. Mas ok sana kung may mahihiram ka muna then....pakinggan mo...same cd para at same volume level para marinig mo yung difference ng bass at clarity....swerte yung iba kung di marinig yung difference..he!!he!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 18, 2003 at 03:09 PM
Greatness,

Pre try mo ecosse for your HK/mission combo tried also ixos 6003 but prefer the ecosse speaker cable for your surround just like Dexterc said use gauge 12 ordinary and better kung masubok both

Coax/ RCA - Radio shack  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on Jun 18, 2003 at 06:47 PM
Dexterc and hans adriene

OK thanks..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on Jun 20, 2003 at 11:34 AM
Guys,

Tanong ko lang po? Will bi-wiring of my m72i to the hk3550 improve the sound performance? I'm planning to bi-wire ecosse and monster cable sa fronts ko po.

Or should I bi-wire only both types of speaker cables?

Or wag na lang mag bi-wire?

Hoping for your immediate and wise replies
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 20, 2003 at 07:23 PM
Greatness,
.Yes pre it will improve IMHO ha hehehe tried it ixos/ecosse pre mass smooth pre front and center lang bi-wire ko

Kung may budget cge go for it
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jun 22, 2003 at 12:21 AM
Greatness,

If you decide to use ecosse wires and will connect them by single wiring, you may consider this... :)

Upon suggestion of Archi Audio (Epoy), use a small portion of  ecosse wires use them as connecting links (replace the metal one).

I did that yesterday, and it produce a better separation of high and low frequency..... It produce an improve performance....Ang galing pare ng tunog.....

Akala ko nun maganda na tumunog set-up ko pero nung ginawa ko yung suggested ng archi, lalo ko napalabas yung potential sound sa mga speakers na ito....
Warm and Enveloping Sounds!!!!

I would like to thank Architectural Audio Guys for the help.... ;D
Go go go guys!!!!!

Believe me man, try this and you will notice the difference.
Ang ganda ng combo ng HK avr125 ko at mission m70s series ko lalo!!!! Sub na lang ang kulang!!!

Hope that you try this man...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on Jun 22, 2003 at 05:52 PM

Upon suggestion of Archi Audio (Epoy), use a small portion of  ecosse wires use them as connecting links (replace the metal one).

james16,

Im really interested to do your suggestion but kindly elaborate more on this, d ko gaano maintindihan. Pasensya kana....... :-\tnx.  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 22, 2003 at 06:11 PM
Julsp

Pre at the back of you speaker terminal there is a metal that link together the HF and LF.. instead of the metal link replace them with a wire (ecosse) to link them together..

To do this cut around 1 1/2 inch of wire (ecosse/Ixos/Orig 12) tapos strip both side then insert them to the HF and LF (positive) then tighten screw do the same with the negative
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Jun 23, 2003 at 02:45 AM
tenk you.
i heard the combi of b&W at HK sa archie, kya di ko maalis sa isip ko ang B&W eh talgang kursunadang kursunada ko.   Kya hahapitin ko muna ang budget para umabot doon.

pre, bilhin mo na kasi iyang b&w para di ka na magpalit ulit.  ;D sa paguwi ko pa maaasikaso iyung pagbili ng front speaker ko diyan sa pinas. siguro i will settle for b&w again so that my 601s2 ay gagawin ko ng surround. either 602s3 or 603 s3 ang gagawin kong front and iyung center, series 3 na rin ang bibilhin ko. kaya lang 10 months from now pa iyon eh. very limited ang mga audio stores dito sa place ko. mas mura ang mga audio equipment sa pinas kaysa dito.  :-\
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on Jun 23, 2003 at 04:35 PM
james16 and hans adrienne,

Thanks sa suggestions and i'll try it kapag nakabili ako ng mga speaker cables.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on Jun 23, 2003 at 05:12 PM
Guys,

sensya na pero tanong lang ulit po? Meron bang crossover adjustment for the sub yung avr3550? What is its frequency and paano ko iaadjust yun....

Tinatanong ko para kapag bumili na ako ng sub, it will work harmoniously with my avr3550. Hopefully it will be good for both movie and music without to many adjustments.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on Jun 25, 2003 at 06:16 PM
Julsp

Pre at the back of you speaker terminal there is a metal that link together the HF and LF.. instead of the metal link replace them with a wire (ecosse) to link them together..

To do this cut around 1 1/2 inch of wire (ecosse/Ixos/Orig 12) tapos strip both side then insert them to the HF and LF (positive) then tighten screw do the same with the negative

tnx hans adiane! copy. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on Jul 03, 2003 at 12:21 PM
hi!

any 3550 owners here using 4 ohms speakers?  

my friend is so worried that his 4 ohms (vintage monitor JBLs, not sure of the model) speakers might overload his 3550.

isang buwan na 'yung unit n'ya, di pa rin n'ya ma-enjoy...  :(

thanks.   :)


   
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jul 03, 2003 at 01:47 PM
hi!

any 3550 owners here using 4 ohms speakers?  

my friend is so worried that his 4 ohms (vintage monitor JBLs, not sure of the model) speakers might overload his 3550.

isang buwan na 'yung unit n'ya, di pa rin n'ya ma-enjoy...  :(

thanks.   :)




   

I think the 3550 can handle the JBL, high current naman ang HK eh so there will be no problem, just properly ventilate the 3550.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on Jul 04, 2003 at 11:54 AM
I think the 3550 can handle the JBL, high current naman ang HK eh so there will be no problem, just properly ventilate the 3550.

is there any literature that says 3550 can handle 4 ohms load?  hindi pa rin masyadong kubinsido, eh...  

thanks for the help.   :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: pukx on Jul 04, 2003 at 12:07 PM
is there any literature that says 3550 can handle 4 ohms load?  hindi pa rin masyadong kubinsido, eh...  

thanks for the help.   :)

sir geco you can check AVR3550 product specification: http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product_detail&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%203550/230&language=ENGLISH (http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product_detail&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%203550/230&language=ENGLISH)

yung sakin AVR2550 lang pero kayang-kaya i-drive yung 4ohms load nilalagyan ko na lang ng exhaust fan sa taas gaya nung sinabi ni sir courage... pero syempre mas ok kung 8ohms load pag nakaluwag siguro  baka mag-mission din ako.... ganda talaga ng mission H/K combo... ;D

pukx 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jul 04, 2003 at 12:58 PM
is there any literature that says 3550 can handle 4 ohms load?  hindi pa rin masyadong kubinsido, eh...  

thanks for the help.   :)

Geko,

This will answer ur question, its the website of HK from the US


http://www.harmankardon.com/faq/showFaqanswer.asp?faqId=233
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on Jul 04, 2003 at 01:28 PM
sir geco you can check AVR3550 product specification: http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product_detail&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%203550/230&language=ENGLISH (http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product_detail&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%203550/230&language=ENGLISH)

yung sakin AVR2550 lang pero kayang-kaya i-drive yung 4ohms load nilalagyan ko na lang ng exhaust fan sa taas gaya nung sinabi ni sir courage... pero syempre mas ok kung 8ohms load pag nakaluwag siguro  baka mag-mission din ako.... ganda talaga ng mission H/K combo... ;D

pukx 8)


Geko,

This will answer ur question, its the website of HK from the US


http://www.harmankardon.com/faq/showFaqanswer.asp?faqId=233

thanks for the help, sir pukx & sir courage!  will give the info to my officemate.  nakokonsensiya na ako, eh, kasi ako ang nag-convince sa kanya na mag-hk....  tapos... :)

sir pukx, kaya nga ako, i stay away from stores selling B&W & HK...  baka ma-reactivate ang SARS ko, eh, hindi pa magaling wallet anemia ko.   ;D

thanks again, guys!  :)

 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jul 18, 2003 at 02:18 PM
Just to give u an idea how much it costs here:

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SADYAmgWGENF6jTVLs6Dg4nnW3DbJvqW*X5xZ7cJk6xNH8v98AKlzjP7E*7dlybwCOAJWVHMYs8eClirGUsW33zk7rnPPa73QlFUcyY2Kg49AAAAkXJdAg/jbl_promo3.jpg?dc=4675430933585267300)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jul 18, 2003 at 02:27 PM
Grabe ang mura pala.....  :o
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jul 18, 2003 at 02:36 PM
Grabe ang mura pala.....  :o

Ang nagpapa-taas ng presyo ng electronics sa atin ay yung tax.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: pukx on Jul 18, 2003 at 02:40 PM
sir JT sa US ba kayo...?  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jul 18, 2003 at 02:45 PM
sir JT sa US ba kayo...?  :)

Singapore. Prices are in Singapore Dollars (1sgd=30pesos).
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jul 18, 2003 at 02:45 PM
He is in Singapore.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: johndoe on Jul 18, 2003 at 02:52 PM
sana pwede magpabili.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: pukx on Jul 18, 2003 at 02:59 PM
Singapore. Prices are in Singapore Dollars (1sgd=30pesos).


tnkx sir JT, ang laki nga ng deperencia, i've got my AVR2550 for 17K d2 sa atin.... :-\ well ganun talaga ang dami na kasing patong d2 satin pero cguro i got a good deal naman dun sa AVR ko...

pukx 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile on Jul 18, 2003 at 03:03 PM
Ang mu-mura naman pag nag-sale diyan.  Sa one month sueldo ng maid sa Singapore peude na atang  makabili ng JBL or Infinity speakers.  Dito sa Pinas, sa sueldo ng Teacher, hangang Dai-ichi lang.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on Jul 18, 2003 at 06:17 PM
sobrang mura naman ng harman cd changer!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mdsaint3 on Jul 18, 2003 at 07:43 PM
does harman have a matrix mode? ex u dont have surround speakers? thanks.. the 2550 or 3550 models? thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jul 19, 2003 at 12:34 PM
Alfie,

Pre congrats on your new HK galing galing yan prend ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jul 19, 2003 at 12:48 PM
sir meron kaya d2 sa atin yong FL 8370 5disc cd changer?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mdsaint3 on Jul 19, 2003 at 07:58 PM
thanks henry..   :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jul 19, 2003 at 10:13 PM
JT, I adjusted the pic size.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jul 20, 2003 at 01:21 AM
JT, I adjusted the pic size.

Hey, thanks pre.  Kawawa nga naman yung iba na titingin, siguradong mabagal.


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Superman on Jul 20, 2003 at 09:06 AM
Just to give u an idea how much it costs here:

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SADYAmgWGENF6jTVLs6Dg4nnW3DbJvqW*X5xZ7cJk6xNH8v98AKlzjP7E*7dlybwCOAJWVHMYs8eClirGUsW33zk7rnPPa73QlFUcyY2Kg49AAAAkXJdAg/jbl_promo3.jpg?dc=4675430933585267300)


bro. JT,

sent you a pm...thanks!

superman  8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jul 21, 2003 at 09:37 AM
mura naman nung hk sa sing.. sana pede mag-pabili don..  ;D

question hk gurus.. i recently acquired an HK 3550.. it is connected to our tv which is not multi-system... only ntsc. do you guys know how to set the hk3550 to support ntsc.. i read through the manuals that it supports pal/ntsc video formats. and not pal alone.. any ideas how to tweak the video output settings to ntsc instead of the default pal.

thanks suggestion of the guys that i bought my avr is to directly connect the video output of my dvd player to our tv since its has a setting for pal/ntsc..  :-[
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Jul 21, 2003 at 09:56 AM
if you are talking of the OSD, then the output will be in PAL format if your unit is one of those european version. the video input and output can accept both pal and ntsc though. i also have the european version of the 5500 and l just bring my smaller tv if i need to adjust something needing the osd or maybe if you can find the pal to ntsc converter which im been looking for also.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jul 21, 2003 at 10:02 AM
if you are talking of the OSD, then the output will be in PAL format if your unit is one of those european version. the video input and output can accept both pal and ntsc though. i also have the european version of the 5500 and l just bring my smaller tv if i need to adjust something needing the osd or maybe if you can find the pal to ntsc converter which im been looking for also.

don't know what version of hk is this.. bought it here in manila last friday.. just a clarification sir, based on your inputs above.. only the OSD is in pal format? what about when playing dvds would is it also be encoded in pal format or it would automatically support both ntsc/pal format?  :) thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Jul 21, 2003 at 10:53 AM
it will not convert the input to another format. so whatever format is fed in the input, it will be the same as the output.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jul 21, 2003 at 11:10 AM
it will not convert the input to another format. so whatever format is fed in the input, it will be the same as the output.

a oki.. sorry for being confused.. which means since i set that on the dvd player that the output video would be ntsc and its connected by an optical cable to my avr. that the output of the avr would be ntsc? right?  :-\ and i should have no problems when playing dvd since output of the avr is ntsc?  :) only the OSD uses the default pal format?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jul 22, 2003 at 09:56 AM
a oki.. sorry for being confused.. which means since i set that on the dvd player that the output video would be ntsc and its connected by an optical cable to my avr. that the output of the avr would be ntsc? right?  :-\ and i should have no problems when playing dvd since output of the avr is ntsc?  :) only the OSD uses the default pal format?

Yup thats true, hindi maapektuhan ang signal na galing sa DVD mo, pero why connect ur DVD to the AVR. i think mas better pa rin na connected directly sa TV yung player mo kesa dadaan pa nang AVR.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jul 22, 2003 at 11:24 AM
Yup thats true, hindi maapektuhan ang signal na galing sa DVD mo, pero why connect ur DVD to the AVR. i think mas better pa rin na connected directly sa TV yung player mo kesa dadaan pa nang AVR.

thanks.. sir courage.. yun nga setup ko ngayun e..  ;D baka lang kasi ikabit ko yung luma naming vhs sa avr ko.. para flexible connection ko.. nde ako hugot baon ng rca cables.. hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jul 25, 2003 at 01:17 PM
SEBMAN DAMI MO ATANG PROBLEMA NGAYON A DATI PROBLEMA MO YONG HOW TO GET HK AVR PERO NGAYON SPEAKER NA HEHEHE SIMULA NA LUMALA ANG SARS MO ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jul 25, 2003 at 01:28 PM
SEBMAN DAMI MO ATANG PROBLEMA NGAYON A DATI PROBLEMA MO YONG HOW TO GET HK AVR PERO NGAYON SPEAKER NA HEHEHE SIMULA NA LUMALA ANG SARS MO ;D

oo nga e.. d ko alam na parang chain reaction of gastos pala tong HK na to..  ::) dapat pala sakura na lang binili ko or yung mga rongxin na 5.1 speakers sa quiapo.. atleast walang problema and nabuo ko pa yung setup ko ng nde poor ang wallet ko..  ;D me pang-Genie or Sylvannus pa ako.. hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jul 25, 2003 at 01:31 PM
KAYA NGA AKO BINIGAY KO KAY ESMI YONG CREDIT CARD AT ATM KO PARA MATIGIL MUNA SA SARS........HEHEHEHE ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jul 25, 2003 at 02:15 PM
KAYA NGA AKO BINIGAY KO KAY ESMI YONG CREDIT CARD AT ATM KO PARA MATIGIL MUNA SA SARS........HEHEHEHE ;D ;D

tama yan pre.. ako buti nasira yung credit card ko.. kungdi pinakaskas ko na agad yun para me decent front speakers na ako.. parang na-oover power yung bookshelf speakers ko.. d tuloy maganda ang tunog kahit flat lahat ng settings ko.. parang sabog yung tunog..  :-[
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jul 25, 2003 at 03:58 PM
 ;D
tama yan pre.. ako buti nasira yung credit card ko.. kungdi pinakaskas ko na agad yun para me decent front speakers na ako.. parang na-oover power yung bookshelf speakers ko.. d tuloy maganda ang tunog kahit flat lahat ng settings ko.. parang sabog yung tunog..  :-[


kay antay muna magheal ang sars ko bago ako bili m74i mangangarap muna me hehehehehe ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mdsaint3 on Jul 25, 2003 at 07:40 PM
HK owners... How do you find the ez set? Do you use it for every source and dsp you choose? Do you find it really accurate? Its funny cause my prev settings before using EZ-set is way off..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Jul 28, 2003 at 08:40 AM
i can say that ez set is fairly accurate. i compared it with the spl meter and the difference is within 1~2db. if you dont have the spl meter then this is better than calibration by ear.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jul 29, 2003 at 09:45 AM
Mdsaint,

Pre try to start with -7 ( instead of -15 ) volume tapos press DSP DTS-Ex then the EZ-set position the remote at the listening position pointing towards the AVR.. cguro mga +2 to +3 ang level pagtapos..  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mdsaint3 on Jul 29, 2003 at 11:57 AM
thanks hans...actually did -5.. mataas masyado gain pag -15 or -7 ..hehe..small room lang ako..better now!!! thanks again padre :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: madrigal on Jul 29, 2003 at 12:45 PM
Hi, I have an avr 4000.

QUESTION:
Does it have an internal battery?  It seems that the memory for the radio, level settings etc. are not stored if I unplug it.

Also, after the one year warranty ito nasira.  

thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gutierrez on Aug 03, 2003 at 03:51 AM
Yup thats true, hindi maapektuhan ang signal na galing sa DVD mo, pero why connect ur DVD to the AVR. i think mas better pa rin na connected directly sa TV yung player mo kesa dadaan pa nang AVR.

sir, I wanna use HK avr with whaferdale setup, could you tell me what model no. is good?

how much price ng hk ngayon? where can I buy the cheapest?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Aug 03, 2003 at 08:14 AM
gutierrez,

Depending what model you are getting but I suggest Architectural audio located at New world hotel in makati.

Also consider the after sales and service.

Look for Nico and Epoy, very accomodating and knowledgeable people.

wharfdale.... you go at park square 1.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Aug 08, 2003 at 01:54 PM
What's the current price for HK AV5500? And which shop?

 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Aug 08, 2003 at 02:40 PM
What's the current price for HK AV5500? And which shop?

 

34k Spec tra or Arch. Audio
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Aug 08, 2003 at 02:57 PM
34k Spec tra or Arch. Audio

Thanks, check ko pag-uwi.

 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Aug 11, 2003 at 12:11 PM
Mga Bros,

What's your channel and speaker setup? Ano ba mas okay?

Small lahat ng speakers except the fronts? Ano rin pala yung +/- db niyo sa channels?

One happy HK owner.  8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mdsaint3 on Aug 11, 2003 at 12:41 PM
you have to listen to the test tones to adjust your  +/- dbs per channel.. i have ez set so wala ko problema dyan.. they say its best to have an spl meter.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Aug 11, 2003 at 01:00 PM
Tenga ko nalang...  ;D surr ko naka set to +3db. Halos same tayo ng setup ng surr mdsaint3.  Slightly toed-in tapos nakayuko ng konti. Its around 6.5ft above the floor.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gutierrez on Aug 12, 2003 at 08:25 AM
san kaya makakabili ng HK 3550 na 20k?

yun bang 3550 di na pwede maging 6.1?

yung 6.1 ba depende sa dvd movie?

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Aug 12, 2003 at 09:14 AM
HK 3550 is not upgradable to 6.1/7.1, it doesn't have pre-outs (pre-outs for the surround back).

6.1 is medium dependent, though you can matrix the 5.1 to make it 6.1/7.1.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Aug 12, 2003 at 09:22 AM
HK 3550 is not upgradable to 6.1/7.1, it doesn't have pre-outs (pre-outs for the surround back).

6.1 is medium dependent, though you can matrix the 5.1 to make it 6.1/7.1.

opsss.. sorry.. thanks for correcting me.. yung 5500 lang ata ang upgradable to 6.1/7.1.. thanks for clarifying philander.. d pala upgradable yung 3550 ko...  :(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gutierrez on Aug 12, 2003 at 09:30 AM
sir alam ko.. out of stock na tong model na to on most av stores.. yung price nya na pinaka-mura is 22T..  :( encoded dapat yung dvd movie in 6 channels and you need a separate amp to make it 61 or 7.1.


meron na ba mga movies na 6.1 encoded, nakasulat ba sa specs ng dvd yun?

meron ba avr na 6.1 na?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Aug 12, 2003 at 09:39 AM
meron na ba mga movies na 6.1 encoded, nakasulat ba sa specs ng dvd yun?

meron ba avr na 6.1 na?

Yes. DTS-ES and DD-EX encoded discs: http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=645

AVR, sobrang dami na, most of the recent/new releases.
Yamaha 630, 730 and above series, the new Yamaha X40 series.
Marantz *300 series, Harman Kardon 4550, 4500*, 5500*, 5550, 8500, etc.
Onkyo 600, 700 and the new X01 series.
Denon 1803, 2803 etc. and the new X804 series
Pioneer 811, 1011, 2011
NAD 762, 752*, 742*

* - needs separate amp for the surround back.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gutierrez on Aug 12, 2003 at 09:45 AM
Yes. DTS-ES and DD-EX encoded discs: http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=645

AVR, sobrang dami na, most of the recent/new releases.
Yamaha 630, 730 and above series, the new Yamaha X40 series.
Marantz *300 series, Harman Kardon 4550, 4500*, 5500*, 5550, 8500, etc.
Onkyo 600, 700 and the new X01 series.
Denon 1803, 2803 etc. and the new X804 series
Pioneer 811, 1011, 2011
NAD 762, 752*, 742*

* - needs separate amp for the surround back.

thanx for list sir  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Aug 12, 2003 at 10:06 AM
Just like to share na ANG GALING NG HK!! I was able to find my old Stavol AVR and hooked my hk to it.

1.) The clarity improved dramatically!!
2.) Improvement on Sound Staging was impressive!!

One happy HK owner.  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Aug 12, 2003 at 12:52 PM
Just like to share na ANG GALING NG HK!! I was able to find my old Stavol AVR and hooked my hk to it.

1.) The clarity improved dramatically!!
2.) Improvement on Sound Staging was impressive!!

One happy HK owner.  ;D

Its nice to hear a fellow satisfied HK owner ehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Aug 14, 2003 at 02:47 PM
Presars,

Congrats pala completo ka na  :D :D pre try mo +2 lahat except for the sub na 0 level tapos kung bookshelf front mo small kung floorstander naman large yun iba small lahat na... or depend on your taste

Haappy lessening  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Aug 14, 2003 at 04:02 PM
Whats the other model number for AVR5500? I couldnt find it the HK site.

http://www.harmankardon.com/product_support/product_finder.asp?sProduct=AVR&submit2=Find&stype=om

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Aug 14, 2003 at 04:04 PM
Whats the other model number for AVR5500? I couldnt find it the HK site.

http://www.harmankardon.com/product_support/product_finder.asp?sProduct=AVR&submit2=Find&stype=om



Here:
http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%205500/230&language=ENGLISH (http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%205500/230&language=ENGLISH)

HK International site.

For the equivalent, I think its 325, though wala HDCD yung 325.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Aug 14, 2003 at 04:06 PM
Here:
http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%205500/230&language=ENGLISH (http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%205500/230&language=ENGLISH)

HK International site.

Hey thanks,  that was fast.  I'm quite interested with the features. I'm downloading the manual.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Aug 14, 2003 at 04:09 PM
Whats the other model number for AVR5500? I couldnt find it the HK site.

http://www.harmankardon.com/product_support/product_finder.asp?sProduct=AVR&submit2=Find&stype=om



The equivalent of HK5500 is HK520 not the 325 or 525. Actually older model ang 5500, yung 525 kasi equivalent nya sa dito is the HK5550
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Aug 14, 2003 at 04:13 PM
I have downloaded the manual and noticed it is 50hz for ac input. Can anybody confirm if this works diyan sa Pinas or yung release diyan is 60hz.

Thanks.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Aug 14, 2003 at 04:14 PM
Ayan, kay Courage ka makinig. Harman GURU yan.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on Aug 14, 2003 at 04:16 PM
you find can info on AVR5500 & other models available here in the Phils in the URL below:

http://international.harmankardon.com/

hth.  :)
 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Aug 14, 2003 at 04:19 PM
you find can info on AVR5500 & other models available here in the Phils in the URL below:

http://international.harmankardon.com/

hth.  :)
 

I have already downloaded from this site and the manual says 50hz.  Pinas should be 60hz, so ano yung nakalagay sa likod ng mga unit nyo?


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on Aug 14, 2003 at 04:21 PM
I have already downloaded from this site and the manual says 50hz.  Pinas should be 60hz, so ano yung nakalagay sa likod ng mga unit nyo?


will check later after office.  bigyan kita ng feedback tomorrow.   :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Aug 14, 2003 at 04:23 PM
will check later.  bigyan kita ng feedback tomorrow.   :)

Thanks, pre.  My friend bought 2 units from the sale I posted earlier and he selling 1 unit to me for 699sgd (21k pesos).

Gusto ko lang makasiguro na gagana sa Pinas kung bibilhin ko ito.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on Aug 15, 2003 at 08:25 AM
Thanks, pre.  My friend bought 2 units from the sale I posted earlier and he selling 1 unit to me for 699sgd (21k pesos).

ang mura ng kuha mo.  that's a very good deal!

Gusto ko lang makasiguro na gagana sa Pinas kung bibilhin ko ito.

50hz din ang nakalagay.  so far, i don't have any problems with my unit.  fyi, it is connected to a line conditioner then to a UPS/AVR which is connected to the mains.

enjoy your new toy, man!  :)

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Aug 15, 2003 at 08:32 AM
ang mura ng kuha mo.  that's a very good deal!50hz din ang nakalagay.  so far, i don't have any problems with my unit.  fyi, it is connected to a line conditioner then to a UPS/AVR which is connected to the mains.

enjoy your new toy, man!  :)



sir geko.. pasali na din.. nakakatulong din bang magpaganda ng tunog ng HK yung line conditioner.. san makakabili non and magkano kaya sir? thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Aug 15, 2003 at 10:23 AM
ang mura ng kuha mo.  that's a very good deal!50hz din ang nakalagay.  so far, i don't have any problems with my unit.  fyi, it is connected to a line conditioner then to a UPS/AVR which is connected to the mains.

enjoy your new toy, man!  :)


Thanks man.  So pwede diyan ang reciever/amp kahit 50hz. Yung mga 50hz microwave kasi sumasabog kapag ginamit diyan.

Both Harman and Marantz are 50hz here.  This HK AVR5500 is for my friend there,  I'm eyeing for Yamaha RX-V440.



Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: geko on Aug 15, 2003 at 05:51 PM
sir geko.. pasali na din.. nakakatulong din bang magpaganda ng tunog ng HK yung line conditioner..

palagay ko...  kasi, in my case, napansin ko na mas naging malinaw 'yung sound ng HK ko, eh.   pero mas mahalang i-consider siguro, eh, 'yung protection that it could give your unit...  :)
Quote

san makakabili non and magkano kaya sir? thanks

i got my line conditioner from a fellow member for PhP 4.5K.  the brand is Castle & it is made in Taiwan.  hindi ko lang alam kung available 'to dito...  

i saw some line conditioners in handyman & in SM Makati pero mukhang pang-PC lang 'yun mga 'yon.  try mo dito sa thread na 'to at baka meron kang makita - > http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=11;action=display;threadid=1823

hth.   :)

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Aug 16, 2003 at 12:27 PM
palagay ko...  kasi, in my case, napansin ko na mas naging malinaw 'yung sound ng HK ko, eh.   pero mas mahalang i-consider siguro, eh, 'yung protection that it could give your unit...  :)i got my line conditioner from a fellow member for PhP 4.5K.  the brand is Castle & it is made in Taiwan.  hindi ko lang alam kung available 'to dito...  

i saw some line conditioners in handyman & in SM Makati pero mukhang pang-PC lang 'yun mga 'yon.  try mo dito sa thread na 'to at baka meron kang makita - > http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=11;action=display;threadid=1823

hth.   :)



thanks sir..  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Aug 16, 2003 at 12:30 PM
sebman gastos uli yan :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Aug 16, 2003 at 12:33 PM
sebman gastos uli yan :D :D

oo nga pre .. kabibili ko nga lang nung generic china made na dvd-player.. was considering the 727K.. kaso d aabot budget e.. hehehe pa-pm pre kung san mo nabili yung B2 mo and magkano..pinares mo sa 2550, panalo ba?..  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Aug 16, 2003 at 12:38 PM
Prend sebman,

I thought you already bought a Yaden Avr ang alam ko almost the same function din yan as line conditioner but i may be wrong.. uy bago naman pla dvd player nya
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Aug 16, 2003 at 12:51 PM
Prend sebman,

I thought you already bought a Yaden Avr ang alam ko almost the same function din yan as line conditioner but i may be wrong.. uy bago naman pla dvd player nya

prend hans.. yup meron na ako nong yaden.. iba pa daw yung line conditioner.. pero saka na yun.. hehehe ipon pa rin ng pambili ng magandang front speakers..  ;D generic lang na nabili ko sa raon, ganda sana yung 727K..  :( la lang budget..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Aug 16, 2003 at 12:58 PM
Sebman,

Prend OT meron yun pioneer pre DVD audio and SACD na plus other format pwede for only 14k to 15k ata pre yun next target ko...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Aug 16, 2003 at 01:05 PM
Sebman,

Prend OT meron yun pioneer pre DVD audio and SACD na plus other format pwede for only 14k to 15k ata pre yun next target ko...

oks yan pre... congrats in advance dyan sa bibilhin mong yan.. siguradong satisfied ka  dyan..  mahal nga lang yung ata dvd-audio saka sacd na cd e..  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Superman on Aug 16, 2003 at 02:09 PM
Thanks man.  So pwede diyan ang reciever/amp kahit 50hz. Yung mga 50hz microwave kasi sumasabog kapag ginamit diyan.

Both Harman and Marantz are 50hz here.  This HK AVR5500 is for my friend there,  I'm eyeing for Yamaha RX-V440.





bro. JT,

sent you pm...thanks!

superman  8)














Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Aug 16, 2003 at 02:25 PM
pinares mo sa 2550, panalo ba?..  ;)

lahat naman panalo e kc naka harman kardon, kaya  lahat nang yan harman ang nagpapaganda db ;D pero iba pa rin yong talagang maganda ang kapares hehehehe ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Aug 16, 2003 at 02:28 PM
 ;)alam mo seb parang nangangati na naman CC ko e parang gusto na naman ikiskis sa Bronze center ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Aug 16, 2003 at 02:37 PM
;)alam mo seb parang nangangati na naman CC ko e parang gusto na naman ikiskis sa Bronze center ;) ;D ;D ;D

ikiskis na agad yan... para B4 na lang ang kulang... hehehehe complete na HT setup mo pre..  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Aug 16, 2003 at 08:16 PM
j_albert,

WOW! Idol!! Kumpleto mo na Bronze?  :o  :o  :o

;)alam mo seb parang nangangati na naman CC ko e parang gusto na naman ikiskis sa Bronze center ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Aug 18, 2003 at 02:39 PM
enjoy your new toy, man!  :)

I've tested the AVR5500 with my Pioneer 655a this weekend.  Matindi pala talaga ang sound quality at features nito ... two thumbs up.



 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on Aug 18, 2003 at 05:50 PM
question lang po, kabibili ko lang ng sub para makumpleto ko ht ko. wala ba talaga sa ezset ng avr3550 ng sub? paano ko po makacalibrate ng maayos yung sub na tama sa speakers? ???

i just completed my set-up last friday. I'm using :

mission speakers:
m72 - front
m7c1 - center
m70 - rear

mordaunt-short subwoofer:
ms308 - sub

salamat po.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jackryan on Aug 18, 2003 at 05:53 PM
greatness, digression lang po... just in case you plan to upgrade your M70, please let me know... kasi I am looking for an M70 eh.

salamat...

-jackryan 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on Aug 18, 2003 at 06:22 PM
ok jackryan,

i'll let you know by then. i'm planning anyway to change my mission to monitor audio kapag nagkapera...

hirap talaga ng SARS.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: positive_noise on Aug 18, 2003 at 08:39 PM
Mga Bro,

Is AVR 5550 already available sa pinas if how much kaya ito at saan??  ;D

positive_noise.  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mdsaint3 on Aug 18, 2003 at 08:57 PM
try archi audio
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: positive_noise on Aug 19, 2003 at 03:50 PM
try archi audio

Bro, my tel# kaba nila? ;D

thanks,
positive_noise. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Aug 19, 2003 at 03:52 PM
check here:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=11;action=display;threadid=1784
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: positive_noise on Aug 20, 2003 at 07:59 AM
Ok 'to Bro! Thanks Philander!  ;)

positive_noise.  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jackryan on Aug 21, 2003 at 11:50 PM
ok jackryan,

i'll let you know by then. i'm planning anyway to change my mission to monitor audio kapag nagkapera...

hirap talaga ng SARS.

pare, don't forget andito lang ako... waiting  ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Aug 27, 2003 at 03:38 PM
Positive noise,

PRe HK5550 how much kaya ito.... 7.1 discrete o 6.1
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Aug 27, 2003 at 05:25 PM
would anybody know the average price of the HK 1550?

thanks!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Dory on Aug 28, 2003 at 01:19 PM
would anybody know the average price of the HK 1550?

thanks!

My friend had one, he got it for 18,900 K!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Dory on Aug 28, 2003 at 01:24 PM
Mga Bro,

Is AVR 5550 already available sa pinas if how much kaya ito at saan??  ;D

positive_noise.  ;)

Try mo rin sa Soundroom, dumaan ako dun, they sell harman, baka meron dun, sa Podium yun! :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Aug 28, 2003 at 01:36 PM
My friend had one, he got it for 18,900 K!

for that price.. its the same price as the 2550.. y not get it instead..  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Aug 28, 2003 at 02:30 PM
same price sila???
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Aug 28, 2003 at 02:39 PM
pre.. were talking of the 1550 ha.. nde yung 5550 na ask mo.. at cguradong malayo price non..  ;D saka wala na ata akong nakitang 1550 sa podium a.. 2550 na lang.. 19T cash price.. also try spectra at baka mas mababa pa yung quoted price nung 1550 sa taas nung thread..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Dory on Aug 28, 2003 at 02:45 PM
original price pala yun 18,900, nakuha lang nya ng 16K discounted yun 1550! :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Aug 28, 2003 at 02:56 PM
oppsss I thought 5550  :o :o









joke lang
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Aug 28, 2003 at 03:22 PM
oppsss I thought 5550  :o :o

mukhang me balak ka prend a.. 5550 upgrade na..  :D








joke lang
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Aug 28, 2003 at 03:58 PM
5550 I LIKE!!  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Aug 28, 2003 at 09:22 PM
presars bili na 5550 hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Aug 29, 2003 at 11:14 AM
boss j,

Ahehehe... B4 muna.  ;D

presars bili na 5550 hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Aug 31, 2003 at 12:23 AM
hey guys,

just wanna ask you guys if i got good deal with my cousin, you see hear i had an avr125 (given to me by my uncle) and after a couple of mos. i traded it with my cousin's avr3550 (1 month old)and gave him 1000 pesos for it. His reason is that the avr125 had silver buttons so that he may match daw sa toshiba dvd player nya at para sa kulay ng kwarto nya. And he won't venture in a dvd-audio type of set-up (ang babaw ba nya). at kelangan din daw nya ng cash pambili ng lotr agad so i just grab the opportunity.

Naturally, masaya ako pero di ko alam pano timplahin yung speakers ko using ezset. wala din atang function para sa sub. ihope that you can help me guys over here?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Aug 31, 2003 at 05:11 AM
hey guys,

just wanna ask you guys if i got good deal with my cousin, you see hear i had an avr125 (given to me by my uncle) and after a couple of mos. i traded it with my cousin's avr3550 (1 month old)and gave him 1000 pesos for it. His reason is that the avr125 had silver buttons so that he may match daw sa toshiba dvd player nya at para sa kulay ng kwarto nya. And he won't venture in a dvd-audio type of set-up (ang babaw ba nya). at kelangan din daw nya ng cash pambili ng lotr agad so i just grab the opportunity.

Naturally, masaya ako pero di ko alam pano timplahin yung speakers ko using ezset. wala din atang function para sa sub. ihope that you can help me guys over here?

i think na sa manual lahat yon congrats pre swerte mo ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Aug 31, 2003 at 01:23 PM
James,

Pre kailangan when you use the ezset pure silent lahat so that the remote will only hear the speakers try to start the volume knob -5 or -7 then press DTS-EX sa remote to cover all the channels

Hk 125 kung equivalent model here is 2550 well you got the best of the deal 3550 has more input/output + higher watts per channel..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Aug 31, 2003 at 11:15 PM
Hans,

i guess, swerte nga at nakuha ko itong unit sa pinsan ko.  :D

ok, i tried doing ezset but it seems that i don't have any DTS-ES function for my 3550. But i found it cool that when i put the volume up to -15 foreach dsp, you can use ezset and it actually calibrates the sound level of each speakers. But it did not do anything for my sub. Is this normal here?  ??? wat could be the best setting for my sub? any suggestions guys.... thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Sep 01, 2003 at 11:01 AM
James,

Hindi talaga kasama ang sub sa ezset.  You just have to manually set the sub by ear.

Cheers.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gutierrez on Sep 01, 2003 at 11:02 AM
nice
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on Sep 01, 2003 at 12:47 PM
wat does the 6 ch input sa 3550 stand for/
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Sep 01, 2003 at 01:06 PM
wat does the 6 ch input sa 3550 stand for/

For outboard decoders, like for example DVD player with DTS and DD decoders on-board or DVD-AUDIO/SACD player where you will connect the 6 channel analog outputs of your player to the 6 channel analog input of the receiver.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: greatness on Sep 01, 2003 at 04:12 PM
ok thanks guys
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Sep 08, 2003 at 12:06 AM
hi guys,

i just want to say that i'm really impressed with my new receiver courtesy from my cousin and also the radio reception is really clear to all channels compared with my old receiver (kenwood). Does hk really have good antenna (radio reception) compared to other receivers?

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile on Sep 08, 2003 at 12:44 PM
Not all receivers and tuners are equal in signal capture, stereo reception, interchannel rejection, sensitivity, etc.  Like any feature, there are excellent tuners and no so good ones.  It's also possible the newer breed of tuners have better chrateristics than older ones.  Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Sep 08, 2003 at 02:19 PM
Someone is selling a 2550 for 16.5k (second hand)

Anybody might be interested.  Good buy ito.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Sep 08, 2003 at 04:53 PM
how many mos. used? 2k nalang ang idagdag bnew na hk2550
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: klernie0521 on Sep 08, 2003 at 07:41 PM
@kimpao

over a month used. Bought in Spectra last July 20, 2003 with receipt please see my post on assorted buy and sell if interested.

tnx.....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: rpm on Sep 09, 2003 at 08:41 AM
Nag-labas na rin ang Yamaha ng high-current models, e.g. RXV-740 (90 watts yata). Ano kaya (kung mayroon) ang pagkakaiba nito sa high current ng HK. May HK rin ako (AVR 1550).
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Sep 09, 2003 at 10:19 AM
Nag-labas na rin ang Yamaha ng high-current models, e.g. RXV-740 (90 watts yata). Ano kaya (kung mayroon) ang pagkakaiba nito sa high current ng HK. May HK rin ako (AVR 1550).

Yes nasa specs ng Yamaha na high-current ang mga *40 series receivers nila but hindi nila nilagay ang actual ampere rating.

I mean we don't know kung  ano ang "high" sa kanila, baka kahit 10 to 15 amps lang is "mataas" na para sa kanila.

I dont think na high(er)-current ang Yamaha compared to Harman, like for example the Yamaha 740 with 90 watts of power per channel (90*6 = 540 watts total), while the Harman 3550 with 60 watts (only) per channel (50*6 = 300 watts) and yet the Yamaha 740 consumes only 320 watts power while the harman 3550 which has lower power rating and has a power consumption of 580 watts.

Go figure out... what more kung ang harman na icocompare mo has 90 watts of power like sa Harman 7500 (100 * 5 = 490) , pero  kung tutuusin mas mababa pa yung rating compared to yamaha 740 and yet it has a 1100 watts of power comsumption..... medyo malayo sa 320 watts...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile on Sep 09, 2003 at 01:34 PM
High current amplifiers generally have very large power consumption figures.  Like Philander said, go figure out how an amp consuming only 360 watts of power can give out 540 watts of music output.  I may be wrong, but HK and Rotel appears to be among the few high current AVRs out there in the mid-price range.  Pioneer used to, but not with its recent models.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Sep 09, 2003 at 01:40 PM
As an HK user, isa lang masasabi ko.. Malakas talaga ang Harman.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 09, 2003 at 02:30 PM
Harman Kardon really eats up a lot of electricity... pero very satisfied naman ako everytime I watch movies pre!! compare to my old amp ibang iba ito pre!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Sep 09, 2003 at 02:43 PM
High current amplifiers generally have very large power consumption figures.  Like Philander said, go figure out how an amp consuming only 360 watts of power can give out 540 watts of music output.  I may be wrong, but HK and Rotel appears to be among the few high current AVRs out there in the mid-price range.  Pioneer used to, but not with its recent models.

OT:My opinions on high current AVR's that are "midpriced": HK, rotel and NAD although the price of the rotel receivers here is not what I would call midpriced :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 09, 2003 at 02:45 PM
John,

very nice sana Rotel... kaso your right di ito mid-priced.... pwede pa over priced hehehe  ;D



joke onle!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Sep 09, 2003 at 03:20 PM
Harman Kardon really eats up a lot of electricity... pero very satisfied naman ako everytime I watch movies pre!! compare to my old amp ibang iba ito pre!

prend hans.. tama ka dyan.. electric bill ko ngayun plus 500 agad e.. hehehe pero oks lang.. enjoy naman sa music and HT e..  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 09, 2003 at 04:10 PM
Prend Sebman,

Gamitin ng gamitin at ma-break in na yan.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: bigbird2323 on Sep 09, 2003 at 09:04 PM
sinong ditributor ng hk
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 10, 2003 at 12:46 PM
Bigbird,

Beyond innovation ata pre..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile on Sep 10, 2003 at 05:38 PM
OT:My opinions on high current AVR's that are "midpriced": HK, rotel and NAD although the price of the rotel receivers here is not what I would call midpriced :)

You're right, but i guess it really depends on how we define low, mid and high priced gears are.  Ano nga ba ang daoat?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Sep 11, 2003 at 02:49 AM
well midpriced for me is in the 30k-40k range. In perspective rotel is considered midpriced in other countries but a little expensive here (hence the quote, unquote on midpriced). their rsx-1055, which has practically the same features as the hk5500, costs around 60k the last time I checked.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile on Sep 11, 2003 at 10:30 AM
Yup, that's the Rotel priced at 65T I saw at Image Harrison 2 months ago.  But like you said "in perspecive"  if 40T is mid priced, how then should we ckasify the flagship Onkyo rcvr I saw at Sound and Vision selling at 95T and the Sunfire Theatre Grand rcvr I saw selling at around 180T?  Super High na ba?  What do you think of the ff:

Low :  less than 30T
Mid :   31T to 80T
High:  81T +++
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 11, 2003 at 11:04 AM
prend hans.. tama ka dyan.. electric bill ko ngayun plus 500 agad e.. hehehe pero oks lang.. enjoy naman sa music and HT e..  ;D

pre ramdam mo na? ano sabi ni kumander sa iyo ?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bhot on Sep 11, 2003 at 11:13 AM
Puwede magtanong???

Anong voltage regulator ang puwedeng gamitin for HK5500. Kasi ang nakalagay sa specs 50Hz and 45A, parang aircon na eh. Padating na next week yung unit ko.

Sana matulungan ninyo ako. Marami pong salamat.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Sep 11, 2003 at 01:31 PM
Yup, that's the Rotel priced at 65T I saw at Image Harrison 2 months ago.  But like you said "in perspecive"  if 40T is mid priced, how then should we ckasify the flagship Onkyo rcvr I saw at Sound and Vision selling at 95T and the Sunfire Theatre Grand rcvr I saw selling at around 180T?  Super High na ba?  What do you think of the ff:

Low :  less than 30T
Mid :   31T to 80T
High:  81T +++

fair enough :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Sep 11, 2003 at 02:05 PM
Quote
Puwede magtanong???

Anong voltage regulator ang puwedeng gamitin for HK5500. Kasi ang nakalagay sa specs 50Hz and 45A, parang aircon na eh. Padating na next week yung unit ko.

Sana matulungan ninyo ako. Marami pong salamat.
the max. power consumption of 5500 is almost 800watts. your regulator must be higher than this.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 12, 2003 at 11:56 AM
at servo type and kunin mo.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bhot on Sep 12, 2003 at 05:24 PM
ano un servo type?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Mobrules on Sep 13, 2003 at 01:24 PM

Guys, I'm new to this. Your help is very much appreciated. I'm using HK 2550. Do you think this will give the full potential of Wharfedale 8.3 and 8.4 floorstanders? Or should I just settle for a Missing m73i speakers? Thanks in advance.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Sep 13, 2003 at 01:41 PM

Guys, I'm new to this. Your help is very much appreciated. I'm using HK 2550. Do you think this will give the full potential of Wharfedale 8.3 and 8.4 floorstanders? Or should I just settle for a Missing m73i speakers? Thanks in advance.  :)

hello mobrules.. newbie suggestion.. if makati area is accessible to you.. audition it.. side by side at spectra at park square 1.. they carry hk,mission,wharfedale.. and let your ears decide whats best for you.. budget-wise and music-wise..  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Mobrules on Sep 13, 2003 at 02:10 PM
Sebman,

Thanks for your quick response.  :) The problem is, I'm outside Manila. Pampanga to be specific. I know only the way to SM mega mall. That's all. So my options are only those stores in  mega, shang and podium.  :(  Unfortunately, to my knowledge, only the store in podium carries the HK receivers. So I wouldn't have the change to audition the Mission and Wharfs unless I will bring my HK receiver with me. Sebman, do you think going to mission speakers is the right path if budget permits?  Thanks.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Mobrules on Sep 13, 2003 at 02:14 PM
Oh by the way.  In addition to what I have posted, I'm more into HT. I already have  two seperate big speakers which I intend to use for AUDIO only.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Sep 13, 2003 at 02:26 PM
Sebman,

Thanks for your quick response.  :) The problem is, I'm outside Manila. Pampanga to be specific. I know only the way to SM mega mall. That's all. So my options are only those stores in  mega, shang and podium.  :(  Unfortunately, to my knowledge, only the store in podium carries the HK receivers. So I wouldn't have the change to audition the Mission and Wharfs unless I will bring my HK receiver with me. Sebman, do you think going to mission speakers is the right path if budget permits?  Thanks.  :)

sent you a pm mobrules..  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 14, 2003 at 01:43 PM
Mobrules,

Hk amp mo, well you cant go wrong on any of the two brands Wharf or Mission.. Harman Kardon will provide very good power for the abovemention speakers pre..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Sep 15, 2003 at 01:40 AM
How about Infinity speakers? Try also B&W or Monitor Audio but I still suggest that you dont limit yourself with the 3 malls even if you have to go to Makati. If you dont know the way, you can park at Shangrila and take the MRT to Ayala Center Makati. You can visit several stores at Park Square One and audition different brands. Park Square is near the Ayala MRT station.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Mobrules on Sep 15, 2003 at 07:45 AM

Levi and Hans Adriane thanks.  :) Levi, do you happen to know if there's an infinity speaker thread here? I scanned and it seems no thread yet for that speaker. I want to get more details about it. Its Specs and especially its price  :o I will also consider that Park Square mall you've mentioned when I get there.   :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Sep 15, 2003 at 10:12 AM
Soundroom at the Podium is an Infinity Dealer. You can also ask our fellow member Architectural Audio about Infinty speaker.

ARCHITECTURAL AUDIO : SALE AND EVENTS  (http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=11;action=display;threadid=3884)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Mobrules on Sep 15, 2003 at 10:28 AM

Tanx Levi. The link is very useful.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Sep 15, 2003 at 11:35 AM
Inputs please mga bosing,  i recently disposed of my  diamonds.  i curently have crystals right now, for receiver, am  planning to get hk by the end of the month, yung 1803 ko kukunin na din sa akin by the end of this month.  since both sound great with wharfs, 2550 and 3550, my dilemma is which one should i get? feature wise mas marami ang 3550.

another thing i am considering (upgrade path) for speakers is monitor audio (ahehehe, balak palang). ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Sep 15, 2003 at 01:27 PM
Pre,

difference lang ng 2550 and 3550 is the number of inputs... plus the 3550 has the ezSet.  Besides those... wala nang difference.

BANGIS mo! Kaka palit mo lang Monitor Audio naman?! Laki ata ng comission ah!!

Inputs please mga bosing,  i recently disposed of my  diamonds.  i curently have crystals right now, for receiver, am  planning to get hk by the end of the month, yung 1803 ko kukunin na din sa akin by the end of this month.  since both sound great with wharfs, 2550 and 3550, my dilemma is which one should i get? feature wise mas marami ang 3550.

another thing i am considering (upgrade path) for speakers is monitor audio (ahehehe, balak palang). ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Sep 15, 2003 at 01:31 PM
pre, naka-rinig ako ng monitor hk combi, ang galing! :) bro, b1 lang yung ano pa kaya kung b2 or b4. hehehehehe  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 15, 2003 at 01:56 PM
mas lalo na yong silver or gold series kaso mahal ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Sep 15, 2003 at 04:05 PM
Pre,

Bangis ng B2/HK combo!  ;D

pre, naka-rinig ako ng monitor hk combi, ang galing! :) bro, b1 lang yung ano pa kaya kung b2 or b4. hehehehehe  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Sep 15, 2003 at 04:12 PM
Pre,

Bangis ng B2/HK combo!  ;D

pre anong hinihintay pa natin.. upgrade na.. hehehe  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Sep 15, 2003 at 04:27 PM
kakatapos lang ma-break-in nung crystals ko, upgrade nanaman  :-\ . ano 'to bagong epidemya ng SARS. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Sep 15, 2003 at 09:55 PM
I think you need to get the HK5500. Sunod sunod ang upgrade ah. Match the HK with the MA Silver so no more upgrade. It is still less expensive than slowly climbing the ladder.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Sep 16, 2003 at 12:28 AM
I think you need to get the HK5500. Sunod sunod ang upgrade ah. Match the HK with the MA Silver so no more upgrade. It is still less expensive than slowly climbing the ladder.

bos levi, would'nt the hk5500 be an overkill since my HT room is just around 3m x 3m? actually HK-MA combo yung last upgrade na naka-linya pero this would'nt happen til mid or towards the end of next year.  lakas lang ng loob mag-upgrade dahil walang sumisita, hehehe. ;D ;D ;D.  kaya lang ako nakapag-upgrade dahil may bumili nung 1st setup ko  ;D

moving on, i'm kinda geared towards the 2550 considering from what others are saying that mas marami lang talaga yung features ng 3550 againts 2550. am really more on proper matching than features.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Sep 16, 2003 at 12:31 AM
It might cure the SARS  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 16, 2003 at 07:15 AM
i'm kinda geared towards the 2550 considering from what others are saying that mas marami lang talaga yung features ng 3550 againts 2550. am really more on proper matching than features.

tama yan sa liit nang room bk 2550 pa lang suko ka sa lakas remember HK is a continous power  ;D ;D di tulad nang iba :P
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 16, 2003 at 01:19 PM
Kimpao,

Heard the B4 / HK 5500 combo ibang iba!! pre syempre di nagkakalayo sa B2/ Hk combo..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Sep 16, 2003 at 01:36 PM
Not yet, B2 and 2550 combo pa lang. ang galing!  was in listening in style the over the weekend and there's this guy who brought along his B2 to test the 2550 that he order (actually, went there just to buy a couple of banana plugs).  I ended up thinking of saving for the MA (b2 lang mga bosing) for my final upgrade which would happen probably til mid or towards the end of next year.  But i'm still shopping around for hk 2550 baka end sept or 1st week ng oct na ako kukuha.  
 :)

yung crystals ko na break-in ko na ng husto para sakto pag-kumuha na ako ng replacement receiver  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 16, 2003 at 01:39 PM
Kimpao,

Better try your crystal with HK pre baka magulat ka!  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Sep 16, 2003 at 01:44 PM
nasubukan mo na crystals with hk? :D  ano findings mo?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Sep 16, 2003 at 01:45 PM
Pre,

Dalin mo Crystals mo sa bahay... kaso dala ka ng banana jack... ang hirap mag terminate ng bare bi-wire eh! ahehehe...

nasubukan mo na crystals with hk? :D  ano findings mo?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Sep 16, 2003 at 01:50 PM
pre,

baka naman pag-dinala ko yung crystals sa inyo at maganda yung tunog maging diamond 8 yung crystals ko pag-uwi. ahehehehehe ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Sep 16, 2003 at 01:53 PM
Pre,

Ahahaha... balik diamond 8 ba? Aehehe... iba parin Monitor Audio pre!!

Ano?

pre,

baka naman pag-dinala ko yung crystals sa inyo at maganda yung tunog maging diamond 8 yung crystals ko pag-uwi. ahehehehehe ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 16, 2003 at 01:53 PM
Kimpao,

Pre not yet but Hk and Wharf is a very good match pre..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Sep 16, 2003 at 02:01 PM
slayer,

ang layo lang sa inyo bro, dulot-dulo and pagitan ng bahay natin.  pero sige bago ako bumili sked natin sa house nyo.


hans,

yup thats one of the reasons why i'm leaning towards hk wharf combo yung denon wharf combo masyadong bright para sa akin (already heard hk wharf combo, galing kaso diamonds not crystals).  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Sep 16, 2003 at 02:06 PM
Pre,

Sabihin mo lang kelan.  Kaya hindi ko tinuloy yung 1803 kasi di ko masyado nagustuhan yung output.  ;D

slayer,

ang layo lang sa inyo bro, dulot-dulo and pagitan ng bahay natin.  pero sige bago ako bumili sked natin sa house nyo.


hans,

yup thats one of the reasons why i'm leaning towards hk wharf combo yung denon wharf combo masyadong bright para sa akin (already heard hk wharf combo, galing kaso diamonds not crystals).  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Sep 16, 2003 at 02:16 PM
Pre,

Sabihin mo lang kelan.  Kaya hindi ko tinuloy yung 1803 kasi di ko masyado nagustuhan yung output.  ;D

Di kayo magsisisi sa HK at Wharf combo..sigurado yun..

Hans,

Pre musta na HK mo? ehehehe Ako tigil sa lahat nang bisyo sa HT medyo nasa Bahay na lahat nang pera, siguro by next year na ulit pag natapos ngayn october ang house..

I still need to buy an 8.1 for surrounds....hayyy
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 16, 2003 at 02:22 PM
Prend Courage,

Hehehehe ok na ok pa rin.. di lang masyado nagagamit coz of my scott amp sya ngayon favorite ko and puro stereo muna ako pre.. building your house mas ok yan pre malayo sa SARS :).. yun HK mo pre gamitin ng gamitin!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Sep 17, 2003 at 09:16 AM
Prend Courage,

Hehehehe ok na ok pa rin.. di lang masyado nagagamit coz of my scott amp sya ngayon favorite ko and puro stereo muna ako pre.. building your house mas ok yan pre malayo sa SARS :).. yun HK mo pre gamitin ng gamitin!!

Ehehehehe di ko na nga nagagamit eh..kasi talagang busy sa construction at sa work...pero siguradong pag naayos yung house eh bibingihin ko si esmi dun ehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Sep 17, 2003 at 02:07 PM
Prend Courage,

Hehehehe ok na ok pa rin.. di lang masyado nagagamit coz of my scott amp sya ngayon favorite ko and puro stereo muna ako pre.. building your house mas ok yan pre malayo sa SARS :).. yun HK mo pre gamitin ng gamitin!!


tsk tsk tsk baka di mo na magamit yang hk mo, baka next time me turntable ka na tapos me for sale na hk sa buy and sell thread hehehe jk!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 18, 2003 at 04:44 PM
John,

Prend wag na wag kang magdilang angel pre ::) ::) ;D just gone to Hyperaudio shop and saw my next target Dynaco ST70  :D :D kaso over na sa budget koooo..

Hk ko??? love ko pa??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: phonoponic on Sep 18, 2003 at 05:13 PM
Pre, Are you Hans Adriane of Tamiya Manila???
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dolby on Sep 18, 2003 at 05:19 PM
Anyone out there upgrading to a higher model and thinking of disposing their HK receiver?

just txtme @ 09189201529
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 18, 2003 at 05:20 PM
Opo bakit??

OT tamiyamanila ka rin pre??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Sep 19, 2003 at 08:48 AM
John,

Prend wag na wag kang magdilang angel pre ::) ::) ;D just gone to Hyperaudio shop and saw my next target Dynaco ST70  :D :D kaso over na sa budget koooo..

Hk ko??? love ko pa??

pre.. mukhang nde mo na kilala hk mo a.. hehehe baka magtampo yan at pag nanood ka ng movie.. magtunog pang-perya yang speakers mo.. hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Sep 19, 2003 at 10:24 AM
u peeps tamiya fanatics before too? have trophies at home of the races i won. nice to know we share a different hobby (well, used to) beside being audio fans. maybe theres a connection between tinkering with tamiya cars and audio setups. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: phonoponic on Sep 19, 2003 at 11:36 AM
 ;D hehehe

Dito ka pala lumalaboy.. si Tarugs to pre..

Cousin Seeker nice to hear u won a lot of races.... Ako hindi ... waaaaa :'(

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 19, 2003 at 12:06 PM
Bong Tarugs,

OT heheheh musta pre si Batman magset setup na ata?? di ka nag RC?? si Cable ang nagturo sa akin dito pre..

Cousin S,

Oo nga yan hobby ko before.. nun days na sinumpa ako ni kumander hehe due to late races.. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dolby on Sep 22, 2003 at 09:59 PM
mga bro. ano bang maganda setup sa dalawa?

medyo nahihirapan ako mag decide dahil parehas kasi maganda ang marantz and harman. 80% music and 20% movie. newbie lang kasi ako sa audio equiment.


Harman Kardon 1550
8.1 front
wh-2 (center, surround)

or


Marantz 4300
8.1 front
wh-2 (center, surround)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Sep 22, 2003 at 11:45 PM
dolby,

personally i suggest go for a hk receiver.


anyway to my fellow owners of hk rcvrs,

tanong lang po. talaga ba malakas magbigay ng signal sa subwoofer out ang hk unit? napansin ko yun ng dinala ng friend ko sub (8" front ported) nya samin at tipong may alarm sub nya na malakas ang signal galing sa rcvr. i had my sub level at -3 na gumaralgal ng kaunti sub nya at ang volume ng sub nya asa 12 o clock lang nun. Settings of my other speakers are 0db.

dapat ba hinaan ko both yung level ng sub sa hk rcvr ko (3550) at the same time yung sub na nabili ko (ms308). during scenes that produces lfe medyo gumaralgal sub ko nun... my volume while i was watching was set to -12.

ano po ba ang settings nyo sa sub lao na sa Dolby Digital and DTS?  pls note na nakabit ay single rca cable lang sa sub. i find connecting both L/R rca na mas malakas ang bigay ng bass.

thanks in advance.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mdsaint3 on Sep 23, 2003 at 05:55 AM
james16

ganyan din na experience ko sa 3550 ko..nuong naka onkyo500 ako..parang bitin ang bass ng dq12 ko. i was about to change subs na rin. but when i replaced it with my 3500. grabe settings ko sa sub is much much lower pero mas buo ang sound. I also used y connector nun naka onkyo ko dahil nga bitin.then switched to single rca plug nalang with my hk. I guess ok ang LFE reproduction nya?  I really dont know how to explain it. Ika nga ni Hans Adrianne "ganyan talga ang HK" :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 23, 2003 at 07:18 AM
 JAMES16
 tama c mdsaint ganyan din yong nang yari sa akin when i use yamaha rxv795 ang hina halos sagd ko na yung vol nang subs ko but when i use hk 12'oclock na lang ang setting nang subs ko pero malakas pa rin
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dolby on Sep 23, 2003 at 07:45 AM
tnx james16


saan ba murang HK? yung na ccanvas ko kasi 2550 nasa 19k(spectra) baka meron kayong alam na mas mura.

tnx.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Sep 23, 2003 at 09:32 AM
tnx james16


saan ba murang HK? yung na ccanvas ko kasi 2550 nasa 19k(spectra) baka meron kayong alam na mas mura.

tnx.



Check nerley's post at assorted buy & sell.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Sep 23, 2003 at 11:31 AM
dolby,

you can also go to architectural audio, located inside new world hotel in makati. very accommodating guys! look for nico or epoy.

also very important to consider is the aftersales service. also warranty. kahit na minsan mahal sa ibang stores ng ilang daan, kung nde accommodating its not worth it.  I highly recommend archi audio, very good customer service.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Sep 23, 2003 at 11:35 AM
to mdsaint3 and j_albert22,

thanks for the reply. so ok pala andg bigay ng hk pagdating sa signal ng sub. galing talaga ng HK! I'm really proud of it.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: positive_noise on Sep 23, 2003 at 03:03 PM
Mga Bro,

Magkano ba ang HK5550 at saan magandang mag Demo! ;D

positive_noise.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Sep 23, 2003 at 03:14 PM
I think wala pa yang model na yan dito. IF ever na meron na or magkaroon, audition it to no other than Architectural Audio.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Sep 23, 2003 at 06:00 PM
I think d sila nag parating ng HK5550, what we have here is the HK5500 tapos HK8500 na.  I just upgraded my ONKYO 575 & bought HK5500 in Architectural Audio two weeks ago.  I can say that this baby ROCKS!!!

To Luie, Nico & Epoy of Architectural Audio, thank you for your patience, ang tagal kong mag audition (1 month yata yon) but it's worth it!  Very professional and accommodating.  (just make sure na bibili ka syempre? Joke joke joke!)  

Here's a teaser of HK5500:

AVR 5500
Audio/Video receiver with Dolby Digital, DTS-ES Extended Surround and HDCD

Allow us to use superlatives. By every measure of excellence, the Harman Kardon AVR 5500 commands them. It's extremely powerful, with a 5 x 75-watt, high-current, ultrawide-bandwidth amplifier design. It's supremely capable, with Dolby Digital, DTS-ES Extended Surround, DTS Neo:6, Dolby Pro Logic II and HDCD decoding, as well as LOGIC7 and VMAx virtual surround sound processing, and MP3 playback from compatible computer-based audio sources. It's elegantly intuitive, with on-screen menus and our exclusive EzSet remote, which automatically sets the system's output levels, as well as offering programmable or learning control of up to eight system components. And it's ingeniously versatile, with component video switching and multiroom/multisource audio capability. The AVR 5500 provides superior performance for serious digital entertainment at home.  

It's upgradable pa to 7.1

Just my 2cents...

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Sep 23, 2003 at 11:53 PM
Mga Bro,

Magkano ba ang HK5550 at saan magandang mag Demo! ;D

positive_noise.

Positive noise,

The 5550 is not here yet.  But we currently have a promo on the 5500+PA2000 combo.  This is likely a better deal, given that you have more power and it will give you greater flexibility due to having a separate amplifier.

Please do call us at 811-6715 should you have any questions.

Regards.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Sep 24, 2003 at 08:29 AM
Archie,

sent you pm
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: garee on Sep 24, 2003 at 09:42 AM
@Arch Audio: ano ma-recommend na entry level HT setup para sa small room about 10 sq.m. i'm planning this setup HK2550 & JBL SCS178 speaker set. i'm using it for 50% movie 50%sound. what other speaker set would you recommend for a budget of less than P20k. others may put their opinion. thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: frieden on Sep 24, 2003 at 11:03 AM
Good Day to all,

few question lang po.
1 Saan ba may pinakamurang 3550 and  saan ba pwedend pa demo.?
2. ang 3550 ba ay may osd?
3.kung ang 3550 ay 192khz/24bit dac at and dvd player ko ay 96khz/20bit, after connecting my dvd to the receiver via fiber optic or coax ang gagamitin ba nya na DAC ay yung sa receiver?
4. di ba namimili ng speakers ang 3550, mine is only a yamaha floorstanding (70w min/250w max power) 6 ohms impedance, sensitivity is 90db and frequency response is 40hz to 20khz.

thanks a lot,
frieden
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Sep 24, 2003 at 11:10 AM
Quote
few question lang po.
1 Saan ba may pinakamurang 3550 and  saan ba pwedend pa demo.?
2. ang 3550 ba ay may osd?
3.kung ang 3550 ay 192khz/24bit dac at and dvd player ko ay 96khz/20bit, after connecting my dvd to the receiver via fiber optic or coax ang gagamitin ba nya na DAC ay yung sa receiver?
4. di ba namimili ng speakers ang 3550, mine is only a yamaha floorstanding (70w min/250w max power) 6 ohms impedance, sensitivity is 90db and frequency response is 40hz to 20khz.

just call architectural audio at 811-6715.
if you will use the fiber optic of the dvd player, then the receiver's DAC will be utilized.
OK na OK ang HK. Because of their high current amp. design, hindi mapili sa speakers and HK.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Sep 24, 2003 at 11:11 AM
Good Day to all,

few question lang po.
1 Saan ba may pinakamurang 3550 and  saan ba pwedend pa demo.?
2. ang 3550 ba ay may osd?
3.kung ang 3550 ay 192khz/24bit dac at and dvd player ko ay 96khz/20bit, after connecting my dvd to the receiver via fiber optic or coax ang gagamitin ba nya na DAC ay yung sa receiver?
4. di ba namimili ng speakers ang 3550, mine is only a yamaha floorstanding (70w min/250w max power) 6 ohms impedance, sensitivity is 90db and frequency response is 40hz to 20khz.

thanks a lot,
frieden


answers..
1. no store/dealer have this avr as of now and they are not sure when the new stocks would arrive.. i suggest you either buy the 2550 or if you have money to spare.. then buy the 5500 for more power..  ;)

2. it has osd.. but the default format is pal.. hence you must have a multi-system tv for you to use it..

3. right.. using digital interconnects (coax, optical) would just pass the signal to your receiver and the dac of the receiver would be in use..

4. it can drive your 6 ohms yamaha floorstander.. i am using an MA B2 which is also 6 ohms..

hth,
sebman
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: frieden on Sep 24, 2003 at 11:16 AM
thanks a lot mga bro. pag may balita kayo kung kailan magkakaroon ng 3550 paki post naman. again thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 24, 2003 at 01:12 PM
Mk,

Congrats HK5500 galing yan!!

Dolby,

Better go for Harman pre kahit 50/50 music/HT panalo pre or audition both amp to compare pero kung Wharf 8.1 da best HK ka pre!! 100% sure ako dyan!!

Garee,

20K budget for speaker or AVR+Speaker?? kung speaker lang you can audition Wharf diamond series pre for 20k pasok yan and kung Mission naman konting dagdag pa pre at MIssion M7 series naman.. it depends on your budget and sound preference..

Frieden,

HK 3550 can drive 6 ohm speaker no problem yan pre kasi 90db naman speaker mo.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Sep 24, 2003 at 01:22 PM
MK,

congrats on your HK5500! Ganda nyan pre! ok talaga dayn sa Archi Audio!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 24, 2003 at 01:24 PM
James,

Arch Audio ok na ok dyan pre Sir nico and epoy accomodating talaga...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: positive_noise on Sep 24, 2003 at 02:36 PM
Mga Bro,

Thanks sa info ninyo... Saan ba ang Archi Audio? baka makapasiyal ako this Saturday! And magkano ba ang HK5500 para narin sa mga ibang nating Bro na nagbabalak ng HARMAN-KARDON!

enjoy!
positive_noise. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Sep 24, 2003 at 03:00 PM
Mga Bro,

Thanks sa info ninyo... Saan ba ang Archi Audio? baka makapasiyal ako this Saturday! And magkano ba ang HK5500 para narin sa mga ibang nating Bro na nagbabalak ng HARMAN-KARDON!

enjoy!
positive_noise. ;D

architectural audio.. ground floor ng new world hotel sa makati.. and yung HK5500.. nakita ko yan sa spectra.. 34T cash price nyan.. malamang same price din cla..  ;D mas lalo cguro ang price nung 5550 pag naging available yun dito.. mahaba habang ipunan yun.. hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Sep 24, 2003 at 04:24 PM
Hans, James16

Thank you guys, supposedly HK3550 kukunin ko, very unfortunate out of stock everywhere then Architectural Audio introduced me this HK5500, ayun dnako nakatulog almost a month kong pinag isipan!  Iba kasi when you hear it yourself, you'll be the judge and from my auditioning, pairing it w/ my yummy M&K speakers, eh dnako nag dalawang isip!  Dont be deceived sa wattage ng HK, believe me! Sabi nga ni Nico sakin (Kumanta na un MK mo).  

Yan ang advantage ng Architectural Audio, sarap mag audition kasi tahimik, walang magulo, you can really hear what you want.

Goodluck Positive noise! Let us know your experience after you audition the HK.

NOTE: Dont get me wrong mga brods, im not promoting Architectural, this is just what I experienced & im just sharing it w/ you guys.  (commission ko Nico ha, joke joke joke!)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bhot on Sep 25, 2003 at 10:04 AM
Mga Bro,

I need help on my HK5500. Puwede ko bang isasak ng direct sa AC outlet without worrying kung me effect sa power supply nya. Kasi sa manual its says 50Hz, eh di ba 60Hz dito sa atin.

I tried looking for a  voltage regulator sa Ace Hardware, meron akong nakita Zebra yun brand: 1000W, 10A, 50/60Hz. Natatakot ako baka katagalan masira ang power supply dahil magka-iba ang frequency cycle tapos walang regulator.

Please give me some inputs.... Thanks!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile on Sep 25, 2003 at 10:32 AM
Mga Bro,

I need help on my HK5500. Puwede ko bang isasak ng direct sa AC outlet without worrying kung me effect sa power supply nya. Kasi sa manual its says 50Hz, eh di ba 60Hz dito sa atin.

I tried looking for a  voltage regulator sa Ace Hardware, meron akong nakita Zebra yun brand: 1000W, 10A, 50/60Hz. Natatakot ako baka katagalan masira ang power supply dahil magka-iba ang frequency cycle tapos walang regulator.

Please give me some inputs.... Thanks!

My layman's understanding is if the receiver was purchased from a local authorized dealer, tested and waranted, the receiver should be meant for the local market and should be safe for local use.  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: frieden on Sep 25, 2003 at 10:39 AM
Im considering 3550, kasi 2550 is parang bitin ang power, while 5500 is to much for the budget, pero while im reading the features of the 3 models, I've notice that 3550 is not an award winner. tama ba ang observation ko?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bhot on Sep 25, 2003 at 11:03 AM
I bought mine in Singapore through a friend. It cost less duon. It's the same model din naman.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Sep 25, 2003 at 11:16 AM
I bought mine in Singapore through a friend. It cost less duon. It's the same model din naman.

Repaks,  kahit yata yung release diyan eh 50hz din.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Sep 25, 2003 at 11:51 AM
frieden,

you are right that the 3550 is not an award winner but if you could go to home-entertainment review, look it up. It has perform better than other receivers in terms of sound in audio and ht. the reason being why it does not have any awards is because it is not 6.1. All the receivers in its price range are 6.1 already. But HK believes that a better sounding 5.1 is ok compared to not so good sounding 6.1 rcvrs.


regarding 2550, nde ka dyan mabibitin sa power. dnt underestimate hk rcvrs. the reason i chose 3550 over my 125 (2550) is because you it is dvd-audio ready but still 5.1 (also i got a good deal to trade it with my cousin). ;D

i didn't mind choosing this to other rcvrs that have 6.1 because at our sala, it is quite impossible to connect a surround back speaker and plus in terms of sound preference i really like it.

IMHO you can't go wrong with a hk receiver.

Bhot,

i think it doesn't matter kung 50hz yan pagdating sa receiver, be concern kung dvd player yan kasi dun my moving parts dun. i hope other peolple could further explain it better.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: frieden on Sep 25, 2003 at 12:18 PM
frieden,

you are right that the 3550 is not an award winner but if you could go to home-entertainment review, look it up. It has perform better than other receivers in terms of sound in audio and ht. the reason being why it does not have any awards is because it is not 6.1. All the receivers in its price range are 6.1 already. But HK believes that a better sounding 5.1 is ok compared to not so good sounding 6.1 rcvrs.


regarding 2550, nde ka dyan mabibitin sa power. dnt underestimate hk rcvrs. the reason i chose 3550 over my 125 (2550) is because you it is dvd-audio ready but still 5.1 (also i got a good deal to trade it with my cousin). ;D

i didn't mind choosing this to other rcvrs that have 6.1 because at our sala, it is quite impossible to connect a surround back speaker and plus in terms of sound preference i really like it.

IMHO you can't go wrong with a hk receiver.

Bhot,

i think it doesn't matter kung 50hz yan pagdating sa receiver, be concern kung dvd player yan kasi dun my moving parts dun. i hope other peolple could further explain it better.

what is the website for home-entainment review and other asian review for av receiver? I cannot find avr-3550 on www.audioreview.com.
what is the us model for 3550?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Sep 25, 2003 at 01:34 PM
frienden,

you may check it out at ecoustics, look for surround receiver reviews. I think the US counterpart for that odel is the AVR225 since my 125 is 2550.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: frieden on Sep 25, 2003 at 01:36 PM
frienden,

you may check it out at ecoustics, look for surround receiver reviews. I think the US counterpart for that odel is the AVR225 since my 125 is 2550.



thanks james16
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Sep 25, 2003 at 04:24 PM
Uy mukang ang dami na nating naka HK ah
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 25, 2003 at 08:08 PM
Uy mukang ang dami na nating naka HK ah

talagang dumadami pa kaya tumataas presyo  :(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: EB on Sep 25, 2003 at 10:11 PM
frieden,

kung ang habol mo lang ay award winner, mahihirapan kang mag decide dahil ilang magazine at webzine ang may award winners. sa isa, harman, sa kabila denon, sa isa onkyo, sa iba naman yamaha? paano na?  

besides, karamihan sa mga magazines na ito ay advertisement driven.  meaning, kumikita sila through advertisements.  paano mo sasabihing pangit ang producto ng mga nag a-advertise kung sa kanila kumukuha ng income ang mga magazines na ito? syempre, pwede rin nilang gawing award winner ang malakas mag advertise sa kanila, hindi ba?

isa pa, maaaring hindi pareho ang preferences nyo ng reviewers.  kung gusto nya medyo matining ang tunog at ikaw gusto mo warm at medyo malambing? paano na?

bottom line: pakinggan mo ang gusto mong bilhin.  pakinggan mo rin ang mga competition and compare.  choose the one that you like.  ikaw ang gagamit at makikinig ng system mo at hindi ang mga reviewers.

ito po lang ay ang aking dalwang sentimo.

good luck.


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 26, 2003 at 12:52 AM
frieden,

kung ang habol mo lang ay award winner, mahihirapan kang mag decide dahil ilang magazine at webzine ang may award winners. sa isa, harman, sa kabila denon, sa isa onkyo, sa iba naman yamaha? paano na?  

besides, karamihan sa mga magazines na ito ay advertisement driven.  meaning, kumikita sila through advertisements.  paano mo sasabihing pangit ang producto ng mga nag a-advertise kung sa kanila kumukuha ng income ang mga magazines na ito? syempre, pwede rin nilang gawing award winner ang malakas mag advertise sa kanila, hindi ba?

isa pa, maaaring hindi pareho ang preferences nyo ng reviewers.  kung gusto nya medyo matining ang tunog at ikaw gusto mo warm at medyo malambing? paano na?

bottom line: pakinggan mo ang gusto mong bilhin.  pakinggan mo rin ang mga competition and compare.  choose the one that you like.  ikaw ang gagamit at makikinig ng system mo at hindi ang mga reviewers.

ito po lang ay ang aking dalwang sentimo.

good luck.




sang ayon ako sa iyo  EB  try nyo muna i audition yong side by side ba bago kayo bumili kc marami naman store na willing mag demo at very acommodating sa customer  that all thank  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Sep 26, 2003 at 08:42 AM
mas ok pa ngang gawin reference and katulad nitong pinoydvd kaysa sa magazine kasi dito talagang comments ng end user ang mababasa mo.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: frieden on Sep 26, 2003 at 09:11 AM
thanks you guys, acctually 80% decided na ako sa harman evrything that i inquire is for my own research and investigation, alam nyo na I want to convince my self 100% (sabi nga nila pinakamahirap kalaban ang sarili)

Maraming salamat ulit mga brother,

frieden
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Sep 26, 2003 at 10:55 AM
frieden, you'll never go wrong sa Harman Kardon.

Cheers!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 26, 2003 at 07:15 PM
FRIEDEN pag nasa harap mo na at naririnig mo na you feel the different hehehehe ;D ;D to hear is to believe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Sep 27, 2003 at 01:32 PM
thanks you guys, acctually 80% decided na ako sa harman evrything that i inquire is for my own research and investigation, alam nyo na I want to convince my self 100% (sabi nga nila pinakamahirap kalaban ang sarili)

Maraming salamat ulit mga brother,

frieden

frieden,

Ive used Yamaha, Denon, NAD and HK..and for me the best ang HK sa lahat....but maybe we have different ears so go audition and hear for ur self
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 28, 2003 at 04:25 PM
Freiden,

Lahat sila magaganda pero iba parin yun pinakamaganda sa EARS mo pre.. buy with your EARS and not with what you SEE ( Read )..  ;D ;D ikaw makikinig dyan hindi kami pre  ;) ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: frieden on Sep 29, 2003 at 11:09 AM
Thanks mga brother, bali hinihintay ko lang dumating ang 3550 according to Nico of Archi. mga 2nd week daw ng October. 2550 ok na rin but for a difference of 3K mas powerfull ang  receiver ko with the same sound quality I'll go with 3550 (konting tiis lang).  
Also I'm waiting for Roger Ross recommendation kung ano ang fit sa room size and existing speakers ko.
What can you say mga bro?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Sep 29, 2003 at 11:35 AM
frieden,

ok lang yan, your wait will be worthwhile. Yung ofis mate ko bumili ng 2550 and i got a 3550 courtesy from my cousin. Di ka magsisi dyan.

you may ask nico and epoy about the room and the equipment you may be buying.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dolby on Sep 29, 2003 at 12:07 PM
anong difference ng HK 1550 and 2550? nde ko makita pagkaka iba nila same watts and features.


plano ko kasi bumili ng HK yung 1550 nasa 15k compare to 2550 nasa 19k. 4k din ma ssave ko.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Sep 29, 2003 at 02:00 PM
dolby,

yung 1550 ay wala pang logic7 and vmax na dsp.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Sep 29, 2003 at 03:54 PM
Is H/K a US or European-Based Firm?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dolby on Sep 29, 2003 at 04:11 PM
dolby,

yung 1550 ay wala pang logic7 and vmax na dsp.
james16,

saan ba gamit yung  logic7  and vmax na dsp?

sori bro. newbie lang kasi ako.

tnx
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 30, 2003 at 12:59 PM
dolby,

Logic7 and Vmax are exclusive DSP of Harman...Logic7 will make your 2 channel (anolog)source to 5.1 phantom same as dolby prologic I/II, 5 speakers gagana... while Vmax you only have 2 speakers tapos will sound wide parang may surround ka rin.. like virtual surround hehehe hope di magulo pre. ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 01, 2003 at 10:23 AM
dolby,

Logic7 and Vmax are exclusive DSP of Harman...Logic7 will make your 2 channel (anolog)source to 5.1 phantom same as dolby prologic I/II, 5 speakers gagana... while Vmax you only have 2 speakers tapos will sound wide parang may surround ka rin.. like virtual surround hehehe hope di magulo pre. ;D ;D

Amen!  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 01, 2003 at 10:27 AM
Amen!  :D
bossing saw ure ads sa buy n sell a... monitor audio na ba yan?  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Oct 01, 2003 at 10:39 AM
Malamang nga, Monitor nayan!  Pero naguguluhan pa si James16 kung HK-DVD25 or B2?

Ano James16?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 01, 2003 at 11:19 AM
heheheh,

hopefully monitor na nga.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 01, 2003 at 11:31 AM
heheheh,

hopefully monitor na nga.

wows congrats in advance.. panalo cgurado yan.. i also own that combo.. HK/B2.. theme song So Nice.. so nice talaga.... also try B4 for very good bass...as close at it gets..  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 01, 2003 at 01:37 PM
sebman,

idol ko set-up mo. pareho kayo ni harmonkardonera.  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 01, 2003 at 02:11 PM
sebman,

idol ko set-up mo. pareho kayo ni harmonkardonera.  ;D

hehehe... kaw idol namin.. kaw nag-start ng thread nung monitor audio.. without you.. nde kami mag-kakaroon ng idea about Monitor Audio..  ;D opsss OT ata..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 01, 2003 at 02:59 PM
 ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: doughn on Oct 02, 2003 at 06:06 PM


Ive used Yamaha, Denon, NAD and HK..and for me the best ang HK sa lahat....but maybe we have different ears so go audition and hear for ur self

sir courage,
can u state all the models and brands u have used?
coz my bro.inlaw wants to but a new recvr.

thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 03, 2003 at 04:51 AM
Malamang nga, Monitor nayan!  Pero naguguluhan pa si James16 kung HK-DVD25 or B2?

Ano James16?

magkano ba yong HK-DVD25 dito sa pinas
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 03, 2003 at 11:02 AM
j_albert22,

di ko cgurado but you may call architectural audio at (02) 811-6715 and look for nico or epoy.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 03, 2003 at 12:56 PM
J_albert,

Ganda DVD25 pre... WOWOWOWOW!!  :o
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 03, 2003 at 08:03 PM
J_albert,

Ganda DVD25 pre... WOWOWOWOW!!  :o

yan next target ko para pure Harman hehehehe ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 04, 2003 at 11:20 PM
j_albert22,

Ganda yan dre kung pure HK yan!  ;D

sebman,

lapit na pareho maging set-up natin!  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Narayan on Oct 05, 2003 at 01:05 PM
j_albert22,

Ganda yan dre kung pure HK yan!  ;D

sebman,

lapit na pareho maging set-up natin!  ;D

pa-audition pag nandyan na ha ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 06, 2003 at 08:48 AM
yan next target ko para pure Harman hehehehe ;D ;D

congrats in advance dyan pre.. cgurado panalo yan.. natanong ko yan sa soundroom podium.. out of stock daw e.. pero 22T daw yan.. without the discount pa naman.. hehehe bili na pre..  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 06, 2003 at 08:50 AM
sebman,

lapit na pareho maging set-up natin!  ;D

congrats pre..  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: junji98 on Oct 06, 2003 at 09:13 AM
meron ba sa inyong naka HK 2550 at A audio speakers?  what volume do you use for this receiver pag nakikinig kayo (either theater or music) ?  parang medyo mahina kasi ang output from my dad's system.  pag nanood minsan umaabot sa -10 ang volume or something.  basta madalas at least between -10 and -20.  ok lang ba yon?  salamat mga pre.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dolby on Oct 06, 2003 at 09:34 AM
meron ba sa inyong naka HK 2550 at A audio speakers?  what volume do you use for this receiver pag nakikinig kayo (either theater or music) ?  parang medyo mahina kasi ang output from my dad's system.  pag nanood minsan umaabot sa -10 ang volume or something.  basta madalas at least between -10 and -20.  ok lang ba yon?  salamat mga pre.


meron bang subwoofer yung system ng dad mo? malaki factor din ang subwoofer para malakas yung sound.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 06, 2003 at 10:42 AM
j_albert22,

Ganda yan dre kung pure HK yan!  ;D

sebman,

lapit na pareho maging set-up natin!  ;D


sir james congrats ha nakabili ka na ba nang B2 hehehehe panalo yan  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 06, 2003 at 10:43 AM
pa-audition pag nandyan na ha ;D

ok lang pero medyo matatagalan pa bk by november pa  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 06, 2003 at 10:47 AM
meron ba sa inyong naka HK 2550 at A audio speakers?  what volume do you use for this receiver pag nakikinig kayo (either theater or music) ?  parang medyo mahina kasi ang output from my dad's system.  pag nanood minsan umaabot sa -10 ang volume or something.  basta madalas at least between -10 and -20.  ok lang ba yon?  salamat mga pre.



ganon talaga lalo na kung mababa ang sensitivity like the transmission design(86db) kaya nag upgrade ako sa B2
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 06, 2003 at 11:01 AM
yan next target ko para pure Harman hehehehe ;D ;D

pre... DVD21 almost same specs of  DVD25.. the latter being progressive scan capable.. mas cheaper yung DVD21.. pero kung bibili ka nung progscan capable na tv.. go with the DVD25.. award winner pa..  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 06, 2003 at 11:22 AM
pre... DVD21 almost same specs of  DVD25.. the latter being progressive scan capable.. mas cheaper yung DVD21.. pero kung bibili ka  ;Dnung progscan capable na tv.. go with the DVD25.. award winner pa..  ;D

mas maganda kc DVD25 and award winner pa at para isang gastusan na lang malay mo makabili ako nang TV with progressive  ;D ;D (sana NAMAN ::)) kaso tanong ko lang kung multi region na ba ito??? wala kcng nakalagay sa web nila e??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 06, 2003 at 12:14 PM
J_albert,

Pagmeron ka na panood naman dyan... very panalo talaga pre DVD25!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 06, 2003 at 01:12 PM
James,

Whats your current setup??
yun kay Sebman ganda pre!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kwela5253 on Oct 06, 2003 at 02:18 PM
musta mga harman boys(and girls kung meron)?

i just had my 2550 repaired last friday. i've been using it for about 2-3months pa lang. maayos sya...sarap manood ng movie at makinig sa mga cds. kaso yun nga nagkaroon ng abnormal na tunog sa left front speaker. tinawag ko sa beyond innovation...ang tawag nila dito "pop corn"...buti na lang under warranty pa. next week ko pa makukuha. dami pa namang bagong dvd sa bahay....

anyway, i paired my hk 2550 with monitor audio bronze speakers...PANALO! i also plan on buying the HK dvd25...ipon lang ng konti...

well, to all you hk users...MABUHAY!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kwela5253 on Oct 06, 2003 at 02:21 PM
pareng sebman, di ko lam kung di lang ako nagbabasa ng mga recent post pero kumpleto na ba set-up mo? musta na B2 mo? malamang super broken in na yan!!! ganda di ba?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 06, 2003 at 02:30 PM
pareng sebman, di ko lam kung di lang ako nagbabasa ng mga recent post pero kumpleto na ba set-up mo? musta na B2 mo? malamang super broken in na yan!!! ganda di ba?

preng kwela.. nde naman complete monitor.. pero B2 and center meron na ako..  ;D surround ko is nde na monitor audio..  ;) yung B2 nde pa cguro broken-in yun.. pero ganda yung tunog.. lalong nagiging So Nice.. hehehe saka Perhaps Love nung Jheena Lodwick ba yun courtesy of prend Hans..  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kwela5253 on Oct 06, 2003 at 02:44 PM
mukhang marami ka nang audio cds hah...pa-burn....hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 06, 2003 at 02:49 PM
mukhang marami ka nang audio cds hah...pa-burn....hehehehe

burn din yun sa cdr.. courtesy of prend Hans nga.. hehehe iisang audio cd lang yun.. compilation lang sya.. punta ka ke sir hyperaudio.. magsasawa ka sa audiophile cd's..  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 06, 2003 at 02:55 PM
burn din yun sa cdr.. courtesy of prend Hans nga.. hehehe iisang audio cd lang yun.. compilation lang sya.. punta ka ke sir hyperaudio.. magsasawa ka sa audiophile cd's..  ;)

PWEDE PASAMA D KO KC ALM YON E ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 06, 2003 at 02:57 PM
PWEDE PASAMA D KO KC ALM YON E ;D

oks lang pre.. cge cgurin natin si sir hyperaudio.. schedule natin..  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Oct 06, 2003 at 05:21 PM
Pre,

Sama ako diyan!!

oks lang pre.. cge cgurin natin si sir hyperaudio.. schedule natin..  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 06, 2003 at 11:00 PM
James,

Whats your current setup??
yun kay Sebman ganda pre!!


congrats to nasa and welcome bilang isa sa owners ng HK!

sensya kung medyo OT

finally, i got my B2 at home tonight. still breaking in at mukhang mapupuyat ako. Nag-leave nga ako kanina dahil di ako mapakali at binili ko sya kanina sa archi audio. Thanks guys.

Matagal na break-in ito (100 hrs). cgurado maiinip ako pero ok lang.

my current set-up as of tonight:

Rcvr: HK AVR3550
Sub: MS308
Fronts: MA B2

thanks to j_albert22 at sebman.

like what the logo says : As close as it gets

 ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 07, 2003 at 08:23 AM
congrats to nasa and welcome bilang isa sa owners ng HK!

sensya kung medyo OT

finally, i got my B2 at home tonight. still breaking in at mukhang mapupuyat ako. Nag-leave nga ako kanina dahil di ako mapakali at binili ko sya kanina sa archi audio. Thanks guys.

Matagal na break-in ito (100 hrs). cgurado maiinip ako pero ok lang.

my current set-up as of tonight:

Rcvr: HK AVR3550
Sub: MS308
Fronts: MA B2

thanks to j_albert22 at sebman.

like what the logo says : As close as it gets

 ;D

pre congrats dyan sa bago mong speakers.. parehas na setup natin.. but not the sub.. dai-ichi lang sub ko e.. hehehe 60 hours daw yung break-in period ayon sa manual.. or pag nainip ka.. you can always try yung face to face setup para mabilis ma-breakin yang B2 mo..  ;D  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 07, 2003 at 08:25 AM
Pre,

Sama ako diyan!!

oo naman pre.. cge schedule natin this saturday.. taas paa ang pede.. sugod mga kapatid sa HK..  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Oct 07, 2003 at 04:20 PM
james16,

Congrats sa B2!! Champion yan!!  8)

Buti nga 100 hrs lang... wharfs ko going for the 2nd month palang. 1 more month braking-in to go.  ;D

congrats to nasa and welcome bilang isa sa owners ng HK!

sensya kung medyo OT

finally, i got my B2 at home tonight. still breaking in at mukhang mapupuyat ako. Nag-leave nga ako kanina dahil di ako mapakali at binili ko sya kanina sa archi audio. Thanks guys.

Matagal na break-in ito (100 hrs). cgurado maiinip ako pero ok lang.

my current set-up as of tonight:

Rcvr: HK AVR3550
Sub: MS308
Fronts: MA B2

thanks to j_albert22 at sebman.

like what the logo says : As close as it gets

 ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 07, 2003 at 09:08 PM
slayer,

thanks  ;D

sebman,

next target ko nga yung B center, sana by the end of the year makumpleto ko. Medyo OT pero ano gamit mong surround speakers pati player mo?

Plano ko ksi na wag nang MA, medyo mahal eh for surrounds at kapag may extra pa, bili ako ng HK dvd player.  ::)

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 08, 2003 at 08:03 AM
slayer,

thanks  ;D

sebman,

next target ko nga yung B center, sana by the end of the year makumpleto ko. Medyo OT pero ano gamit mong surround speakers pati player mo?

Plano ko ksi na wag nang MA, medyo mahal eh for surrounds at kapag may extra pa, bili ako ng HK dvd player.  ::)



james16.. ot.. gamit kong surround is raon made na bookshelf and player is kapapalit lang.. philips 727k..  ;D
sayang balak ko sana yung hk dvd21 e.. kaso kinapos ng budget.. hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 08, 2003 at 08:11 AM
slayer,

thanks  ;D

sebman,

next target ko nga yung B center, sana by the end of the year makumpleto ko. Medyo OT pero ano gamit mong surround speakers pati player mo?

Plano ko ksi na wag nang MA, medyo mahal eh for surrounds at kapag may extra pa, bili ako ng HK dvd player.  ::)



pre face to face mo kaagad yong B2 para mapadali yong break-in but dont forget to swap the connection of the other speaker(yong isa lang).....................congrat to your new B2 and soon yong Monitor bronze naman  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 08, 2003 at 10:01 AM
j_albert22,

salamat ah. tanong ko din po kung dapat din ba baliktad ang connection ko sa speaker side without changing connection from the receiver?  ???

thanks in advance....

balak ko din ata ibenta 3550 ko eh..... SARS!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dolby on Oct 08, 2003 at 10:08 AM
j_albert22,

salamat ah. tanong ko din po kung dapat din ba baliktad ang connection ko sa speaker side without changing connection from the receiver?  ???

thanks in advance....

balak ko din ata ibenta 3550 ko eh..... SARS!!!


bro. how much kung bebenta mo yung 3550?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 08, 2003 at 10:12 AM
j_albert22,

salamat ah. tanong ko din po kung dapat din ba baliktad ang connection ko sa speaker side without changing connection from the receiver?  ???

thanks in advance....

balak ko din ata ibenta 3550 ko eh..... SARS!!!


yup yong sa speaker lang ;) bakit mo naman ibebenta yong HK3550 ? r you looking for higher wattage 8550 ba? ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 08, 2003 at 10:19 AM
oo naman pre.. cge schedule natin this saturday.. taas paa ang pede.. sugod mga kapatid sa HK..  ;D

OT sebman baka pwede linggo tapos two bottle sa baywatch ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Oct 08, 2003 at 11:20 AM
peeps,

question po. what advantages does the 3550 over the 2550 aside from the higher power output? wana justify the 3K price difference eh.

james16!!! pre dont sell the 3550 without informing me also. definitely am very interested. hehehe  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Oct 08, 2003 at 11:24 AM
peeps,

question po. what advantages does the 3550 over the 2550 aside from the higher power output? wana justify the 3K price difference eh.


Analog 5.1 input
Speaker Level meter (for  EZSET)
Higher current than 2550
More power.
OSD
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 08, 2003 at 11:33 AM
peeps,

question po. what advantages does the 3550 over the 2550 aside from the higher power output? wana justify the 3K price difference eh.

james16!!! pre dont sell the 3550 without informing me also. definitely am very interested. hehehe  ;D ;D

OSD -- multi-system tv to properly use it
6 channel inputs -- in case you have a dvd-audio/sacd capable player
Ezset - to automatically adjust your speaker settings to suit your room acoustics
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 08, 2003 at 11:38 AM
OT sebman baka pwede linggo tapos two bottle sa baywatch ;D ;D

ot din...subukan natin pre.. kaso family day kasi ang sunday e.. baka tayo lang dalawa magkita.. hehehe  ;)

james16.. 5500 ba yan or 8500 na.. wows ganda na ng setup mo nyan..  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Oct 08, 2003 at 11:43 AM
Analog 5.1 input
Speaker Level meter (for  EZSET)
Higher current than 2550
More power.

philander,
 
doesnt the 2550 have 5.1 also? checked the HK125 (2550) back picture from the HK website, and it shows a 6 channel input also.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 08, 2003 at 11:47 AM
ot din...subukan natin pre.. kaso family day kasi ang sunday e.. baka tayo lang dalawa magkita.. hehehe  ;)

james16.. 5500 ba yan or 8500 na.. wows ganda na ng setup mo nyan..  :)

OT d kc ako pwede sat reg work...hirap nang SARS ni james16 gusto lahat bago
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Oct 08, 2003 at 11:51 AM
philander,
 
doesnt the 2550 have 5.1 also? checked the HK125 (2550) back picture from the HK website, and it shows a 6 channel input also.

HK 2550 does not have 5.1 analog input.
http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%202550/230&language=ENGLISH  (http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%202550/230&language=ENGLISH)
http://international.harmankardon.com/products/infosheets/AVR%202550.pdf
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Oct 08, 2003 at 12:01 PM
philander,

thanks bro! good thing i brought it up coz ive been looking at the US versions the whole time.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 08, 2003 at 12:51 PM
James,

congrats sa B2 mo.. Lupet yan after 40 hours pre... hehehe btw ano palit mo sa 3550 kung sakali??? hirap marami datung  ;D ;D

Sebman,

OT congrats sa Philips DVD mo pre lupet!!! kaya pala bibili ka ng super BIG tv ha hehehehe..


Kwela,

Good thing at under warranty pa..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Oct 08, 2003 at 01:19 PM
does anyone know if they selling hk4550 here? all i read from the threads are 2550 3550 and 5550.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 08, 2003 at 01:29 PM
hans adriane and sebman,

i'm planning to purchase AVR5500. atsaka kulang sa budget kaya ibenta ko muna 3550 ko bago bili. :)

ayos nga yung b2, sana ma-breakin na.....

j_albert22,

salamat sa tip ng break-in.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 08, 2003 at 01:49 PM
James,

Mas maganda yan 5500 hehehehe ;)

Pinsan skeeter,

Pre di ata nag-import ng 4550 dito sa pinas kaya swerte mo kung meron kang makita sir..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 08, 2003 at 02:15 PM
hans adriane and sebman,

i'm planning to purchase AVR5500. atsaka kulang sa budget kaya ibenta ko muna 3550 ko bago bili. :)

ayos nga yung b2, sana ma-breakin na.....

j_albert22,

salamat sa tip ng break-in.

ure on a roll james16.. ganda yung 5500.. ke hans ganyan yang avr nya e.. ganda and more power pa.. it will surely make your B2 sing... next na nyan B4 na then yung Bronze center.. para complete na..  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 08, 2003 at 02:43 PM
Guys..What are your setting for HT?? please post your setting magaya ko nga ;D ;D

Ako ito:
Front - Large - level +2
center - small - level +5
surround - small - level +1
Sub - L + R + LFE -  cut off 40hz - level 0
Delay -  center 2 and surround 12
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 08, 2003 at 03:08 PM
Guys..What are your setting for HT?? please post your setting magaya ko nga ;D ;D

Ako ito:
Front - Large - level +2
center - small - level +5
surround - small - level +1
Sub - L + R + LFE -  cut off 40hz - level 0
Delay -  center 2 and surround 12



i suggest that you utilize your ezset. kasi magkakaiba tayo ng room, speaker placements, wire and speakers na ginagamit. It might help if you mention the ht your using.  :)

reference ko ay dapat mapalbas ko using sa ezset na 0db dapat yung Front Left spkr ko tapos bahala na timpla nya sa ibang speakers.

i had used that when i still had my mission speakers. Using EZset:

Front m72i - Large (0db)
Center m7c1i - Small (-4db)
Surround m70 - Small (-5db and -3db)
SUB ms308 - (L+R)+LFE - (-6db) cut off is 80hz
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 08, 2003 at 03:16 PM
kailangan ba talaga sa setting nang sub ay L+R & LFE? y?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 08, 2003 at 03:20 PM
James,

EZset levels ko iba due to un-even ang room ko.. wla kasi ako dedicated AV room..

Front large - ( L +2 ) - ( R +3 )
Center small - ( +2 )
 surround small ( L +6 ) - ( R+2 )
Sub L+R+LFE ( 40hz cut off ) level 0
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 08, 2003 at 03:28 PM
J_albert,

Di naman pero ok lang kung large yun may cutoff LFE level so sala din low frequency sa fronts mo..

For me gusto ko yun front ko may dating like kung may explosion sa left scene may emphasis yun left speakers not just boom all around...pero syempre depends on room and your EARS..

Kaya request ko post natin setting para ma-try and get the best of our HK.. :D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 08, 2003 at 03:33 PM
setting for my HK 2550

Front large - ( L +5) - ( R +5 )
Center large - ( L+10 ) break in period
surround large  ( L +10 ) - ( R+10) break in period
Sub LFE ( 40hz cut off ) level 0
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 08, 2003 at 04:52 PM
James,

EZset levels ko iba due to un-even ang room ko.. wla kasi ako dedicated AV room..

Front large - ( L +2 ) - ( R +3 )
Center small - ( +2 )
 surround small ( L +6 ) - ( R+2 )
Sub L+R+LFE ( 40hz cut off ) level 0


hans,

ganon din ako, nasa sala lang yung set-up ko kaya nag-rely ako sa ezset. Take not, yung sala namain ay parang pa-L shaped at puro bintana pa.

but ithink ok na yang set-up mo.

nag-suggest lang sakin si nico (Archi audio) kung pano gamitin ng maayos yung ezset. Naktulong naman sakin. pero di mo sya magagamit pagdating sa sub.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 08, 2003 at 04:55 PM
James,

Cge try ko ulit later.. hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 08, 2003 at 05:18 PM
kailangan ba talaga sa setting nang sub ay L+R & LFE? y?


actually, di ko maalala kung bakit ko ginamit yung ganon set-up.  ::)  ::)

anyway, maganda kasi yung bigay ng bass ng mission ko nun kahit na wala akong sub dati. gusto ko lang cguro ma-utilize yung bass ng fronts ko tapos pag-very deep bass dun na nya ipapasa sa sub.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Oct 08, 2003 at 05:49 PM
Here's my set up for my HK5500 (using EZset)

M&K S85 Front, Small - ( L +0) - ( R +0 )
M&K S125C Center, Small - ( L+2 )
Atlantic Technology Surround, Small  ( L +5 ) - ( R+4)
DQ-12 Sub (vol level; 11 o'clock) level -2

Question mga brods, This is how I understand it:

Small settings are for Bookshelves & Large for Floor standers, correct me if im wrong?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Oct 08, 2003 at 06:01 PM
Question mga brods, This is how I understand it:

Small settings are for Bookshelves & Large for Floor standers, correct me if im wrong?


Generally yes, but with some exceptions.... if the bookshelves are true full range, then much better to set it to LARGE so full range of frequency are fed so you will have full range output.

Same case with FS, I may set the FS as small, if I want my subwoofer to handle the low frequency signal and LFE.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Oct 08, 2003 at 06:27 PM
Thanks Philander for the info but how would you know if the bookshelves are true full range?

Sorry ha, im just starting to learn this passion...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Oct 08, 2003 at 06:43 PM
Thanks Philander for the info but how would you know if the bookshelves are true full range?

Sorry ha, im just starting to learn this passion...

Based on their specs.. like 20 Hz to 20Khz. But this is very rare not to mention expensive. Its you own discretion if you want to set it as large or small.

Most of the speakers available in the market has freq response of 40hz to 20Khz.  With this case I set it to large especially in music mode so I can hear more natural bass sound than subwoofer (but if my subwoofer is a high-end, I'll set all my speakers to small.. hehehheh).

If you want more power in movies, then you may set it to small, then the subwoofer will do the work....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Oct 09, 2003 at 11:05 AM
Philander,

Thanks for the info, i'll check my speakers Hz & Khz.

By the way I just upgraded my DQ12 to VLF1012,  i'll set it up this weekend, mag experiment ako what will suite my ears.

Cheers!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 09, 2003 at 12:10 PM
Mk,

Philander is right try to check the frequency response of your speaker and take note of your setting for crossover cutoff ng AVR mo parang safe yun fronts mo..

James,

just tried it last night with EZset

Front - L/R 0
Center - +2
surround - ( L-+2) ( R+-1)
cutoff - 40hz..

more balance now compare to my initial setting... as for the bass need to experiment kung 40 or 60 hehehe late na kasi kaya di ko na ma-increase volume hehehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 09, 2003 at 11:23 PM
Philander,

Thanks for the info, i'll check my speakers Hz & Khz.

By the way I just upgraded my DQ12 to VLF1012,  i'll set it up this weekend, mag experiment ako what will suite my ears.


Cheers!


congrats pare with your new toy!!!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Oct 10, 2003 at 09:17 AM
james16,

Thanks bro, congrats din w/ your new B2 & sana ma upgrade mo narin yan 3550 mo to 5500 like mine, dka mag sisisi.  

Regarding Frequency responce of my M&K S85:
85Hz - 20Khz 2db What do you think guys should I use SMALL or LARGE setting?

Anyway last night I was able to hook up my new VLF1012 although I cant raise the vol but I can feel it, specially when I use U-571 dts.  Grabe milya milya un DQ12 ko!    This weekend malalaman natin galing nitong VLF.

Well, just me...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 10, 2003 at 10:05 AM
MK,

Better set it small since ganda ganda naman SUB!! mooooo hehehehe

Congrats pre!!! LUpet yan  :o :o
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Oct 10, 2003 at 10:21 AM
Hans Adriane,

Thanks for the advise, actually im only using SMALL setting since then & solve naman ako.  Actually dko pa na try un LARGE, im affraid baka d kayanin ng M&K ko.

Inip na nga ako mag weekend, para ma test ko na to the fullest un VLF.  Wag lang sana mag reklamo un neighbors ko hehehehe...

Cheers!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 10, 2003 at 10:26 AM
Mk,

Pre isang tulog na lang......  :o btw... remind you moderate muna break in stage ka pa...  ::) ::)


Hay.......... sarap ng weekend..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Oct 10, 2003 at 01:07 PM
Hans Adriane,

Tama ka baka mabigla anyway thanks again bro...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Oct 10, 2003 at 05:37 PM
Anyone would like to bring an HK receiver for the eb tom?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nasa on Oct 10, 2003 at 06:07 PM
congrats to nasa and welcome bilang isa sa owners ng HK!
 ;D

Thanks James ako din planning to upgrade my sub to change from MS907W to MA FB210 coz i want to blow my ears deep. ganda nyang B2 mo parang b2 bomber yan pre kung humataw.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 10, 2003 at 10:29 PM
Thanks James ako din planning to upgrade my sub to change from MS907W to MA FB210 coz i want to blow my ears deep. ganda nyang B2 mo parang b2 bomber yan pre kung humataw.

naku, matindi cgurado tunog nyang MA FB210!!!  ;D ;D

sori OT, masaya talaga ako at nagpalit ako to B2, still on the break-in peroid pero ibang klase sya, akala ko asa harap ko yung singer. Ang galing talaga imaging nya!!!!  ;D  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 10, 2003 at 10:30 PM

James,

just tried it last night with EZset

Front - L/R 0
Center - +2
surround - ( L-+2) ( R+-1)
cutoff - 40hz..

more balance now compare to my initial setting... as for the bass need to experiment kung 40 or 60 hehehe late na kasi kaya di ko na ma-increase volume hehehehehe


glad to hear na nakatulong yung suggestion ko po.  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 10, 2003 at 10:34 PM
james16,

Thanks bro, congrats din w/ your new B2 & sana ma upgrade mo narin yan 3550 mo to 5500 like mine, dka mag sisisi.  

Regarding Frequency responce of my M&K S85:
85Hz - 20Khz 2db What do you think guys should I use SMALL or LARGE setting?

Anyway last night I was able to hook up my new VLF1012 although I cant raise the vol but I can feel it, specially when I use U-571 dts.  Grabe milya milya un DQ12 ko!    This weekend malalaman natin galing nitong VLF.

Well, just me...


Don't forget the break-in period... heheheh
Pero cgurado ako enjoy ka dyan!!!  ;D

pinag-iisipan ko pa kung upgrade agad ako eh (3550 to 5500), bahala....  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: akyatbundok on Oct 10, 2003 at 11:28 PM
MA FB210?  napa-lingon ako dito ah... available na ba yan?  makkanu?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Dracula on Oct 10, 2003 at 11:30 PM
Wala bang 5550 sa pinas?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 11, 2003 at 02:34 PM
Wala bang 5550 sa pinas?

as far as i know wala nito nyan..... but i could be wrong...

go to Architectural Audio (inside new world hotel) or Spectra (park square 1) at Makati

or the Soundroom sa Podium

they may have the best knowledge on this subject.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nasa on Oct 12, 2003 at 12:53 PM
MA FB210?  napa-lingon ako dito ah... available na ba yan?  makkanu?

Men balitaan ko kayo kasi id already contacted my buddy in bangkok. kasi on nov. 15 exit na sya kung wala dito or lesser yung price doon isasabay ko yung sub sa sparco nya check ko pa kung magkano yung MA sub and sea freight.  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 12, 2003 at 02:45 PM
Men balitaan ko kayo kasi id already contacted my buddy in bangkok. kasi on nov. 15 exit na sya kung wala dito or lesser yung price doon isasabay ko yung sub sa sparco nya check ko pa kung magkano yung MA sub and sea freight.  

cge sir, mag-iintay kami ng balita dyan!  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 13, 2003 at 05:15 PM
Dracula,

Sir di ata nag-import ng Hk 5550 dito sa pinas..

OT

MA sub!!!!!!!!! boom boom ganda yan pre... how much kaya???
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dc1 on Oct 14, 2003 at 08:59 AM
I'm new here and I would like suggestions on my set-up. I just bought an HK 5500 and a PA 2000, I have a Diamond 8.3 for front, a Diamond center, Diamond DFS for rear and DQ 12 for sub. I'm planning on getting an 8.1 to complete my speakers. Any suggestions on how I would hook up my PA 2000? Should I use it to drive my 8.3? :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 14, 2003 at 09:08 AM
I'm new here and I would like suggestions on my set-up. I just bought an HK 5500 and a PA 2000, I have a Diamond 8.3 for front, a Diamond center, Diamond DFS for rear and DQ 12 for sub. I'm planning on getting an 8.1 to complete my speakers. Any suggestions on how I would hook up my PA 2000? Should I use it to drive my 8.3? :)

congrats on your HK 5500+PA 2000 combo..  ;) a newbie answer.. your HK 5500 already amplifies your 5 channels.. you only need the PA 2000 to amplify your 2 surround back channels to make it 6.1 or 7.1.. hence a suggestion is to hook your fronts,center,rears,sub to your HK5500 and connect your remaining speakers for surround back to your PA 2000 to make it 6.1 or 7.1.

hth,
sebman
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 14, 2003 at 09:33 AM
mga HK anong maganda gamitin when you listening music V-Max, Logic7, Surround off, 3 channel stereo, 5 channel stereo or the 3 DSP(HALL,etc....)?

need your comment laang :D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Oct 14, 2003 at 09:44 AM
I'm new here and I would like suggestions on my set-up. I just bought an HK 5500 and a PA 2000, I have a Diamond 8.3 for front, a Diamond center, Diamond DFS for rear and DQ 12 for sub. I'm planning on getting an 8.1 to complete my speakers. Any suggestions on how I would hook up my PA 2000? Should I use it to drive my 8.3? :)

Wow nice, im planning to buy the PA2000 para pang room ko
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 14, 2003 at 09:53 AM
mga HK anong maganda gamitin when you listening music V-Max, Logic7, Surround off, 3 channel stereo, 5 channel stereo or the 3 DSP(HALL,etc....)?

need your comment laang :D ;D

i use Surround off while listening to music tapos tone out. flat lagi ang settings ko para pure music (analog cable playing cds). i like that better.

kung gusto ko ng multi channel, cguro logic 7 music will do.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 14, 2003 at 09:56 AM
dc1,

congrats dc1 on your new set-up. another hk member!

Ayos!!!  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 14, 2003 at 10:56 AM
dc1,

congrats dc1 on your new set-up. another hk member!

Ayos!!!  ;D

habang tumatagal dumadami kc talagang may cnabi HK rulesssssss
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 14, 2003 at 10:57 AM
i use Surround off while listening to music tapos tone out. flat lagi ang settings ko para pure music (analog cable playing cds). i like that better.

kung gusto ko ng multi channel, cguro logic 7 music will do.

Even you play rock musics?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Oct 14, 2003 at 11:10 AM
For me, I used Surr off when listening to pure audio & I find it more appealing & sometimes I also used DTS NEO to make it 5.1 dts mix.  I find the DTS NEO more pleasant to my ears than the Logic 7 mode, try it.

Just me...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 14, 2003 at 11:10 AM
Even you play rock musics?

yup, for me!  ;D

but you might have a different preference.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 14, 2003 at 11:28 AM
yup, for me!  ;D

but you might have a different preference.

most of the time i set to Vmax (near)kc prang nakikinig ka nang live in front of you especially yong audiophile female voice ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 14, 2003 at 12:01 PM
J_albert,

For audio... Surround off, tone out, analog connection, w/o sub... for rock and disco I just turn on the sub. ;D ;D

dc1,

Ganda nyan!!! pre as for your separate power amp just connect it at the back so yun volume control mo sa 5500 parin...

Courage,

Malupet yan pag 7.1 ka na pre!!  :o :o
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 14, 2003 at 12:33 PM
J_albert,

For audio... Surround off, tone out, analog connection, w/o sub... for rock and disco I just turn on the sub. ;D ;D

dc1,

Ganda nyan!!! pre as for your separate power amp just connect it at the back so yun volume control mo sa 5500 parin...

Courage,

Malupet yan pag 7.1 ka na pre!!  :o :o

binubuksan mo pa sub mo? di ba mas malalim ang bass reproduction nung sa iyo
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 14, 2003 at 12:39 PM
J_albert,

Gusto ko pag rock talaga it ROCK!!! hehehe  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Mobrules on Oct 14, 2003 at 12:49 PM

Hans Adriane, I sent you PM. Hope you can read it before you log off.  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: audi0slave on Oct 14, 2003 at 03:07 PM
I'm currently using a Denon AVR but reading all your posted messages, I think I'll be shifting to HK soon. Magkano na ba ang 3550, 4500, 5500 and which store offers the lowest price? Mga bro, kahit pre-owned o kung sino man gustong mag-upgrade sa inyo and you want to part ways with your HK AVRs make me an offer baka kagat na rin ako....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 14, 2003 at 03:11 PM
I'm currently using a Denon AVR but reading all your posted messages, I think I'll be shifting to HK soon. Magkano na ba ang 3550, 4500, 5500 and which store offers the lowest price? Mga bro, kahit pre-owned o kung sino man gustong mag-upgrade sa inyo and you want to part ways with your HK AVRs make me an offer baka kagat na rin ako....
try mo sa Architectural audio or Spectra in makati ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 14, 2003 at 03:44 PM
I'm currently using a Denon AVR but reading all your posted messages, I think I'll be shifting to HK soon. Magkano na ba ang 3550, 4500, 5500 and which store offers the lowest price? Mga bro, kahit pre-owned o kung sino man gustong mag-upgrade sa inyo and you want to part ways with your HK AVRs make me an offer baka kagat na rin ako....

well, im planning to part w/ my 3550 but plano pa lang naman....... (5500 sana)  ;D

wat is ur denon ba kasi baka mas maganda pa yan kesa sa hk ko?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 14, 2003 at 03:51 PM

sent you pm  ;D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: audi0slave on Oct 14, 2003 at 03:52 PM
1603 lang bro kaya parang underpowered eh... I'm choosing between Onkyo 601 and HK 3550 or 5500. what do you think? magkano ba mga models na to?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 14, 2003 at 04:29 PM
you may call Archi Audio for the HK at 8116715. look for nico or epoy. i don't know how much yung onkyo sr601.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Oct 14, 2003 at 09:33 PM
I'm new here and I would like suggestions on my set-up. I just bought an HK 5500 and a PA 2000, I have a Diamond 8.3 for front, a Diamond center, Diamond DFS for rear and DQ 12 for sub. I'm planning on getting an 8.1 to complete my speakers. Any suggestions on how I would hook up my PA 2000? Should I use it to drive my 8.3? :)

DC1,

It's difficult to explain here how it's done.  For greater detail, please call us at 811-6715.  Cheers.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 15, 2003 at 12:05 PM
mobrules,

Sent you PM sir.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 16, 2003 at 08:51 AM
 ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: frieden on Oct 16, 2003 at 11:46 AM
mga bro. confirmation lang. unlike 2500, the 2550 and 3550 doesn't have mp3 decoding, am I right?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Oct 16, 2003 at 11:56 AM
mga bro. confirmation lang. unlike 2500, the 2550 and 3550 doesn't have mp3 decoding, am I right?

Yes,  the models with capability of MP3 decoding is the X500 series, the X550 series does not have the feature.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: frieden on Oct 16, 2003 at 01:15 PM
thanks philander
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 16, 2003 at 02:48 PM
bump
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 16, 2003 at 05:37 PM
James

Deadma ba???  ;D

HK AVR ko pero di B2 speaker ko pero kung akin yan I set it LARGE para engaging yun sound (with body) hehehe and I wont worry on the LFE since may LFE crossover cutoff AVR safe.. kaya no problemo.. except if you overdrive lets say +18 hehehe..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 16, 2003 at 05:41 PM
James

Deadma ba???  ;D

HK AVR ko pero di B2 speaker ko pero kung akin yan I set it LARGE para engaging yun sound (with body) hehehe and I wont worry on the LFE since may LFE crossover cutoff AVR safe.. kaya no problemo.. except if you overdrive lets say +18 hehehe..

heheheh, salamat sa tip.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: PapaJom on Oct 16, 2003 at 05:46 PM
Harman Guys

Question regards to your AVR do you guys warm it up before using it???

What is the lastest models of HK available??

Thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Oct 16, 2003 at 06:44 PM
Bro, by using your avr you are in effect warming it up. Unless I got confused with your question. I think latest here is 5500.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 17, 2003 at 08:44 AM
if you really want the latest available hk avr and you have dough to spare... get the HK 8500.. 110W on 5 channels..  :D the 7.1 ready model 4550 and 5550 is not yet available here..

http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%208500/230&language=ENGLISH
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 17, 2003 at 12:14 PM
Bro, by using your avr you are in effect warming it up. Unless I got confused with your question. I think latest here is 5500.


mayroon pang higher model d2 i saw in spectra makati HK8550 or HK8500 ata yon
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 17, 2003 at 01:30 PM
mayroon pang higher model d2 i saw in spectra makati HK8550 or HK8500 ata yon

8500 din yun pre.. wala pa nga dito nung 4550 n 5550 e.. saka wala sa website yung 8550.. baka plano pa lang gawin..  ;D hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 19, 2003 at 12:57 AM
8500 din yun pre.. wala pa nga dito nung 4550 n 5550 e.. saka wala sa website yung 8550.. baka plano pa lang gawin..  ;D hehehe


ayon sa isang reliable source, magkakaron na raw ng 5550 dto.  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 20, 2003 at 06:53 AM
ayon sa isang reliable source, magkakaron na raw ng 5550 dto.  ;D

mukhang naaamoy yong upgrade a  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 20, 2003 at 08:06 AM
tignan natin......  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 20, 2003 at 08:19 AM
James,

Mas ok yun HK 5550 7.1 discrete na yun sir.. no need for the extra power amp.. ;D ;D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 20, 2003 at 08:21 AM
ayon sa isang reliable source, magkakaron na raw ng 5550 dto.  ;D

upgrade na.. kaya lang considering the price of the 5500.. and yung 5550 is 7.1 na.. hmmmm malaki-laking ipunan to..  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 20, 2003 at 08:26 AM
Sebman,

Panis yan kay James... isang bunot lang sa bulsa.. di ba sir James.. :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 20, 2003 at 08:30 AM
Sebman,

Panis yan kay James... isang bunot lang sa bulsa.. di ba sir James.. :D

sabagay pre... yakang yaka yan ni james16.. go go go 5550  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 20, 2003 at 08:42 AM
Nels76,

salamat pre at nailagay mo yung bagong avatar ko. I really like it dre.  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 20, 2003 at 08:44 AM
Sebman,

Panis yan kay James... isang bunot lang sa bulsa.. di ba sir James.. :D

hans adriene and sebman,

sana magdilang anghel kayo at magkatotoo yan.....  ;D

medyo mabigat na sa bulsa yan eh  ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 20, 2003 at 09:03 AM
hans adriene and sebman,

sana magdilang anghel kayo at magkatotoo yan.....  ;D

medyo mabigat na sa bulsa yan eh  ::)

kaw pa yakang yaka mo yan hehhehhe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Oct 20, 2003 at 09:35 AM
Just a question po, am considering using the HK may I ask how is the service for any possibly repairs or servicing needed.  Meron ba silang service sa Pinas? Or any affiliated service center capable? Salamat in advance.  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Oct 20, 2003 at 09:43 AM
question also on the HK2550 - can it drive Dynaudio Audience 52 spkrs?

thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 20, 2003 at 09:55 AM
Just a question po, am considering using the HK may I ask how is the service for any possibly repairs or servicing needed.  Meron ba silang service sa Pinas? Or any affiliated service center capable? Salamat in advance.  

meron clang accredited service center d2 sa pinas but i can't remember sorry  :'(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Oct 20, 2003 at 09:58 AM
according to spectra, you can give them the unit and sila na bahala magdala if my problems.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 20, 2003 at 10:01 AM
yes they have a service center here.. its called Audio-X infront of PC-Options in Gilmore QC.. mother company is Beyond Innovation..   ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Oct 20, 2003 at 11:19 AM
j_albert22, sebman and indridcold salamat sa input mga sir, it made me more confident to consider the brand am scouting for a good receiver, for the other brands they always mention matagal na so technicians can fix them but as for Hk medyo new to them so the fear is there ok daw kung nasa U.S. ka (So some salesmen say). You never know when problems may happen just avoiding the headache if ever.  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 20, 2003 at 01:27 PM
kaw pa yakang yaka mo yan hehhehhe

 ;D sana tumama ko sa lotto hehehehh  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 20, 2003 at 02:47 PM
;D sana tumama ko sa lotto hehehehh  ;D

balato ha
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 20, 2003 at 05:15 PM
balato ha

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 20, 2003 at 11:17 PM
question also on the HK2550 - can it drive Dynaudio Audience 52 spkrs?

thanks

for info, call Architectural Audio, look for nico or epoy. mas masasagot nila yan.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 21, 2003 at 12:21 AM
Rivalz,,

Beyond innovation ang authorized importer and distributor of HK dito sa Pinas pati servicing sila bahala..

James,

Kung jackpot ka pre don't forget me... :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 21, 2003 at 07:54 AM
Rivalz,,

Beyond innovation ang authorized importer and distributor of HK dito sa Pinas pati servicing sila bahala..

James,

Kung jackpot ka pre don't forget me... :D :D

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 21, 2003 at 08:22 AM
bossing james16.. ako kahit B4 na lang balato mo sa akin.. or yung 5500 na lang kung medyo galante ka.. hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Oct 21, 2003 at 03:46 PM
bro jt,

hello pre! still alive? hehehe. been reading the old HK posts and you mentioned that HK is very cheap in singapore. from the prices you posted, the price of a 3550 here in pinas will be able to get me a 5500 there already. i know someone in singapore and he sends packages often to pinas so i might be able to get him to buy for me and ship it here.

anyway, just wana know the current prices of HK receivers there now and the mall/store that sells them. any upcoming sales like the one you posted with the pic last july? thanks in advance bro!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Oct 21, 2003 at 04:43 PM
bro jt,

hello pre! still alive? hehehe. been reading the old HK posts and you mentioned that HK is very cheap in singapore. from the prices you posted, the price of a 3550 here in pinas will be able to get me a 5500 there already. i know someone in singapore and he sends packages often to pinas so i might be able to get him to buy for me and ship it here.

anyway, just wana know the current prices of HK receivers there now and the mall/store that sells them. any upcoming sales like the one you posted with the pic last july? thanks in advance bro!!

Pre, Harman Kardon/JBL sale nun kaya nasa 699sgd lang yung hK5500.  Balitaan kita pag merong sale ulit.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: akyatbundok on Oct 21, 2003 at 04:56 PM
sana satin din mag sale ang HK ng ganyan kababang prices.

OT: nga pala JT, i haven't thanked you yet for the great deal i got for your power amp... maraming salamat sir!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Oct 21, 2003 at 04:59 PM
jt,

ok pre. thanks! sana may sale sa november. hehehe  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Oct 21, 2003 at 05:04 PM
sana satin din mag sale ang HK ng ganyan kababang prices.

OT: nga pala JT, i haven't thanked you yet for the great deal i got for your power amp... maraming salamat sir!


Yung kenwood? Salamat din pre. Di kasi sinabi agad ni utol na nabenta na pala at kung sino yung bumili.

Sabihan ko kayo agad kapag may AV sale dito. Most likely merong year-end sale.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 21, 2003 at 05:18 PM
bossing james16.. ako kahit B4 na lang balato mo sa akin.. or yung 5500 na lang kung medyo galante ka.. hehehehe

 ::) ::) ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 21, 2003 at 06:36 PM
cousin skeeter,

Ok yan pre bargain!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Oct 22, 2003 at 09:58 AM
pre hans,

oo nga pre. sana magka sale soon. hehehe
 ;D ;D
pre jt,

kung hindi sale, whats the usual price of the 5500 there? thanks!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 23, 2003 at 06:59 AM
Akyatbundok,

Sana nga mag sale din ng HK dito sa Pinas... type ko kasi yun DVD 25  :o :o

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bhot on Oct 23, 2003 at 05:20 PM
Ako din laking pasalamat ko din kay Pareng JT, nabiyayaan ako ng sale last July ng HK5500.

Pre, busy ka ba? Hindi mo sinasagot ang email ko.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Oct 23, 2003 at 05:34 PM
Ako din laking pasalamat ko din kay Pareng JT, nabiyayaan ako ng sale last July ng HK5500.

Pre, busy ka ba? Hindi mo sinasagot ang email ko.

Kakabalik ko lang sa desk ko at Kaka-reply ko lang sa email mo.  Musta na yung setup mo? Post ka naman ng pics.


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 24, 2003 at 12:36 PM
Bhot,

How much mo na score yun Hk5500 mo?? cheaper ba talaga sir compare dito sa pinas??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Oct 24, 2003 at 04:29 PM
has anyone compared the hk3550 and the marantz6300? theyre almost in the same price range (marantz6300 = 22.5T, hk3550 22k). would you still consider the hk more musical? the 6300 kasi has a lot of features na eh, being 6.1 already.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 24, 2003 at 05:16 PM
Cousin Skeeter,

Heard the Marantz 6300 vs the HK2550 paired with Mission before...for the sound HK, features marantz pre.. but wasn't able to listen to 3550.. this is just my own preference..



Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Oct 24, 2003 at 05:23 PM
skeeter,

If your looking for price per feature... the sr6300 has lots of it.

If your looking for price per performance... GO GO 3550!!

Go figure.  ;)

has anyone compared the hk3550 and the marantz6300? theyre almost in the same price range (marantz6300 = 22.5T, hk3550 22k). would you still consider the hk more musical? the 6300 kasi has a lot of features na eh, being 6.1 already.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Oct 24, 2003 at 05:34 PM
thanks bros. yah, medyo mahirap nga ang tossup between features and sound, tsk tsk tsk.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 24, 2003 at 05:45 PM
Cousin skeeter,

mahirap talaga pre.. ganyan din ako nun SARS pa... pero ngayon turn on the music and relax na.. Sound is important.. 8) 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 24, 2003 at 09:45 PM
thanks bros. yah, medyo mahirap nga ang tossup between features and sound, tsk tsk tsk.

dami ngang features di naman maganda sound di don na ko sa subok at madami nang nagsasabi "OKEY ITO" ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kwela5253 on Oct 24, 2003 at 11:00 PM
dami ngang features di naman maganda sound di don na ko sa subok at madami nang nagsasabi "OKEY ITO" ;D ;D

Korekek dre!!! importante tlaga ang sound. mabuhay ang HK!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 24, 2003 at 11:51 PM
cousin skeeter,

i do agree with hans adriene, slayer, j_albert22 and kwela5253.....
Ganda ng sound, nakakarelaks.....
The more you hear it, the more you want to crank it up.....
For me, i'll take great quality sound over features......

(OT Ang dami nga nagshihift from 5.1 to stereo because of the sound.....)

Also important is the aftersales support......

Remember, wala pa nakakasagot kung meron service center ang marantz dto... (may mga problema pa ibang members with these units)  ::)

syempre kung bibili ka ng HK dun ka sa mga authorized na dealers....

HK ALL THE WAY!!!!!

note: its still better if you get to audition all or most of the brands you have in mind..... only you can really decide whats best for you (trust your ears).... also remember speaker and receiver matching.... just take your time at wag magmadali...  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 25, 2003 at 04:22 AM
oo nga minsan sa pagmamadali lumalaki lalo gastos lalo na sa ganito habit  ;D ;D so choose wisely ika nga and select the best for you coz everybody has different taste... :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 25, 2003 at 07:28 AM
HK na lang cousin skeeter.. sigurado ka pang satisfied with sound and performance..  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 25, 2003 at 12:37 PM
cousin skeeter,

Kailan na ba schedule mo punta sa Manila??? hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 25, 2003 at 11:33 PM
guys,

tanong ko lang kung madali uminit ang receiver kapag lower and impedance ng mga speakers.... i used to have 8 ohms speakers pero nung nagpalit ako ng MA, mas madali uminit yung 3550 ko compared nung dati.... should that be a concern?  ???

thanks in advance guys...  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Oct 26, 2003 at 12:07 PM
question also on the HK2550 - can it drive Dynaudio Audience 52 spkrs?

thanks

chalk up another HK user  :) pinagtyagaan kong buhatin yung speakers ko sa spectra para matest yung 2550...

nice  ;D

mas ok sana yung 5550 - pero masyado na mahal, dami pa ako pinaglalaanan ng budget  ;)

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Superman on Oct 26, 2003 at 12:38 PM
chalk up another HK user  :) pinagtyagaan kong buhatin yung speakers ko sa spectra para matest yung 2550...

nice  ;D

mas ok sana yung 5550 - pero masyado na mahal, dami pa ako pinaglalaanan ng budget  ;)




congrats pare on your new HK baby!  8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 26, 2003 at 06:37 PM
chalk up another HK user  :) pinagtyagaan kong buhatin yung speakers ko sa spectra para matest yung 2550...

nice  ;D

mas ok sana yung 5550 - pero masyado na mahal, dami pa ako pinaglalaanan ng budget  ;)



congrats pare, welcome to the club!  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 26, 2003 at 06:47 PM
James,

As long as the top is not block or have enough ventilation no problem yan pre.. before I used a blower pero di ko na ginagamit ngayon. may nagsabi sa akin before cant remember that is just OK yun heat basta daw di block tsaka the kung makakasira yun sobra heat the designer should have install a fan to displace the heat  8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Oct 26, 2003 at 07:17 PM
congrats pare, welcome to the club!  ;D

thank you thank you james and supes!

the question is should i go MA as well?  ;)

dyan dyararan!!! abangan (kung may pera pa)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 27, 2003 at 12:02 AM
James,

As long as the top is not block or have enough ventilation no problem yan pre.. before I used a blower pero di ko na ginagamit ngayon. may nagsabi sa akin before cant remember that is just OK yun heat basta daw di block tsaka the kung makakasira yun sobra heat the designer should have install a fan to displace the heat  8)

ok thanks hans adriene!  ;D


iceman90a,

IMHO, OT : a big yes, ;D go for MA. but it is still better to audition other brands as well for comparison... also para may peace of mind....

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 27, 2003 at 08:27 AM
congrats on your HK iceman90a.. yes go for MA.. perfect match for your HK..  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Oct 27, 2003 at 08:29 AM
played my cd player through HK from morning til early afternoon yesterday... kaya naman pala pinagkakaguluhan dito eh  :) sarap ng tunog  ;D swabeng swabe driving my dynes

after lunch - dvd naman, hanep! pati yung lumang sony mini-component speakers ko parang gumanda tunog as surrounds...

then best part - concert dvd's aahhh sarap na ulit ng boses ni Andrea, di na nakakakilabot ang talas  :)

IMHO very good buy
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 27, 2003 at 08:36 AM
Iceman,

Congrats on your HK!! mas gaganda yan sir after break in.. 8) 8)  HK and MA combo???? ibang iba sir.. :o :o :o
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Oct 27, 2003 at 08:41 AM
Iceman,

Congrats on your HK!! mas gaganda yan sir after break in.. 8) 8)  HK and MA combo???? ibang iba sir.. :o :o :o

thanks! i'm thinking if the 2550 can drive dynaudio speakers - lalo na MA, since 6ohms at 90dB ang B2

pero have you seen the 5550? it was also demoed by Jim at Spectra last Sat. talk about BIG Brother of the 2550  :o the whole casing was just one big grill to allow airflow - lest the thing overheat  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 27, 2003 at 08:47 AM
Iceman,

Sir regards to Hk5550 di pa ako nakakita hehehe but have the Hk 5500 compare to his little brother I think very minimal lang difference sa sound if lets say moderater volume sir..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Oct 27, 2003 at 08:56 AM
Iceman,

Sir regards to Hk5550 di pa ako nakakita hehehe but have the Hk 5500 compare to his little brother I think very minimal lang difference sa sound if lets say moderater volume sir..

yup at moderate volume i would agree - they all have the same pre-amp section (where HK is supposedly good at) sa power amp section na lang nagkakatalo

since i have a small house, at wala ako balak magpasayaw sa basketball court ng village - ok na ako sa 2550  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 27, 2003 at 01:11 PM
yang 5550 is nice to have (at mukhang future-proof)sana kaso di kaya ng budget. anyway masaya na ako sa hk ko. i'l just match it with the best speakers and dvd player that's affordable....  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Oct 27, 2003 at 04:24 PM
Bhot,

How much mo na score yun Hk5500 mo?? cheaper ba talaga sir compare dito sa pinas??

I got it for 699sgd during the HK/JBL sale here in Singapore.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bhot on Oct 27, 2003 at 05:24 PM
I got it for 699sgd during the HK/JBL sale here in Singapore.


at me libre pang siomai :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 28, 2003 at 11:18 AM
sana nga mag-sale ng hk dto satin para dvd25 mabili ko na...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 28, 2003 at 11:52 AM
James,

Hope so too!! ok na ok DVD25
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Oct 28, 2003 at 02:59 PM
peeps,

finally! our dealer here in our city (somewhere in the visayas) was able to bring in HKs, a 2550 and a 5500. he's selling the 2550 for 22K and the 5500 for 30K but i think nag kamali lng sya sa pricing ng 5500 coz its 34K in manila diba? anyway, a friend and i went to the shop to audition them. It was crudely set up coz i think the units just arrived. here's the setup:

receiver: hk2550
source: generic dvd player
speaker: mission m71i
cables: generic gauge #18
dvd was connected to hk via generic rca cables

i requested the guy attending the store if we could use better speaker cables, an optical cable and the mission floorstanders they had but he was hesistant coz the store owner wasnt there. anyway, with this setup i was already thinking to myself that i shouldnt expect much.

to my surprise, the sound was really great. the m71i's i think only had 4 or 5 inch kevlar cones but the bass was really good. if i had my eyes closed, i would have thought the speakers were floorstanders with the bass it was churning out. my misgivings on the hk2550's power ratings were erased when i pumped up the volume. hk delivers where it mattered most. you can "feel" the power.  we first listened to acoustic alchemy then to some heavy metal cds. for music that had hard, deep bass, the hk had no problem showing off. i realized then that with the right cables, interconnects and MA B2 speakers, the sound would be fantastic.

ive auditioned teac, pioneer, kenwood, yamaha, denon, onkyo, and hk but for me, hk really is the best when it comes to sound. am now a hk believer and won't settle for anything less. anyway i requested the guy if he could set it up again with the setup i requested coz next time i go back there (this weekend), i might already be coming home with a harman  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 28, 2003 at 03:21 PM
Cousin skeeter,

Congrats in advance!! yan ang sinasabi ko sa iyo 8) 8) :o

Welcome to HK club!!  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Oct 28, 2003 at 03:33 PM
congrats cousin skeeter.. suggest mo rin don sa shop na kuhanan ka rin nya ng MA speakers.. same ang distributor ng HK avr and MA speakers.. kaya siguradong maikukuha ka rin ng MA speakers nyan..  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nebula on Oct 28, 2003 at 03:40 PM
I am an H/K addict too. Mamadali ako umuwi palagi. I own a H/K2550. It is my one purchase na tuwang-tuwa si misis. I took the risk and it paid off. Now, I look for only DTS DVDs. Grabe, I need a psychiatrist.

Wondering, if you folks shut-off your units through the power button? O, iniiwan ninyo in stand-by?

Based sa specs, a 2550 consumes 68W on idle. A yamaha rxv540 consumes <1W on idle. Parang masama mag-iwan ng standby, baka magkasunog!

By the way, try using Logic7 Cinema on VCDs. I tried my old TopGun disks. Sh_t parang DTS din!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 28, 2003 at 03:43 PM
nebula,

Welcome to HK club!!  8) 8) matry nga VCD ko ulit hehehe puro kasi pirated DVD na gamit ko eh. ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Oct 28, 2003 at 04:35 PM
I was able to get 5500 last thursday at spectra and temporarily use the speaker of my old kenwood pro logic receiver.......whooooo :o i was shock that hk really great in sound. I also played james taylor (live at the beacon theater) and it really impressed me!!! That's why i am now convincing my wife to get a pair of b4 speaker for me to get full satisfaction....

LONG LIVE HK!!!! :D :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 28, 2003 at 04:37 PM
s2kov,

Hk5500 and B4 yan ang target setup ko ngayon sir!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Oct 28, 2003 at 04:48 PM
s2kov,

wow 5500! gleng nman pre. how much did u pay for it?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Oct 28, 2003 at 04:58 PM
CS,

sent you pm....

Hans,

Let me know if you have it already and post your experience.

Regards.... :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 28, 2003 at 08:04 PM
s2kov congrats pre for new HK.... B4 wow ganda yan sarap makinig nyan  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: akyatbundok on Oct 28, 2003 at 08:20 PM
hey guys, i saw the new 5550 model at spectra today.  pwede din ba makisali dito bilang HK/MA fan kahit hindi pa owner?  hehe... tuwa ako dumadami kayo, maghihintay nga ako ng best deal in case may gusto mag-upgrade next year...  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Oct 28, 2003 at 08:31 PM
I saw this one (5550) also when i purchased the 5500 and it's price is pretty high. :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Oct 28, 2003 at 08:34 PM
Thanks j_albert22, i hope to get it soon.... ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Oct 28, 2003 at 08:38 PM
hey guys, i saw the new 5550 model at spectra today.

care to share how much... thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: rony on Oct 28, 2003 at 08:56 PM
ako im a proud owner of 3550 driving bw 601 and cht 10 okey sa movies. nayayanig ang paligid.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 28, 2003 at 11:34 PM
congrats to s2kov, nebula and rony.... welcome to the club!  ;D


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 28, 2003 at 11:37 PM
cousin skeeter,

its nice to know that you were finally able to audition a HK receiver, underated sila pero hataw ang tunog! congrats in advance!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 28, 2003 at 11:38 PM
s2kov,

Hk5500 and B4 yan ang target setup ko ngayon sir!!

naku..... hataw yan!  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 28, 2003 at 11:42 PM
I am an H/K addict too. Mamadali ako umuwi palagi. I own a H/K2550. It is my one purchase na tuwang-tuwa si misis. I took the risk and it paid off. Now, I look for only DTS DVDs. Grabe, I need a psychiatrist.

Wondering, if you folks shut-off your units through the power button? O, iniiwan ninyo in stand-by?

Based sa specs, a 2550 consumes 68W on idle. A yamaha rxv540 consumes <1W on idle. Parang masama mag-iwan ng standby, baka magkasunog!

By the way, try using Logic7 Cinema on VCDs. I tried my old TopGun disks. Sh_t parang DTS din!

pinapatay ko yung hk set-up ko kapag umaalis ako ng bahay. pero im sure kapag iniwan mo na nakastandby, di magkakasunog.  ;D

im glad to hear na natuwa misis mo dyan....  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 28, 2003 at 11:50 PM
earlier today, i was with narayan and we went to Archi Audio to do some auditioning.... ang galing ng dvd25!!!!!! Awesome music was produced!!!

 lalo na nung kinabit sa musical fidelity (i hope i got it right) pre/power amps na dala ni narayan at kinabit din sa b4 using ixos..... its like a match made in heaven.......

even music i dont really listen to, upon hearing it with this set-up, na-appreciate ko! akala ko kanina cd player yun pala dvd25.... definitely a must have....

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 29, 2003 at 12:07 AM
cousin skeeter,

tama si sebman, try to acquire MA speakers.... its an excellent combination, value for money...... di ka magsisisi.....

like what hans adriene said earlier, welcome to the HK club!!!!  ;D  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Oct 29, 2003 at 01:21 AM
hello guys,
    paki pm naman sakin prize ng 5550? and pls correct me on this, madali ba uminit ang H/K compare to other brands? sabi kasi ng ibang owner ng H/K madali daw uminit, napansin ko puno ng vent hole ang top ng receiver unlike other brands na maliliit lang ang ventings nya on top. is this true? toroidal ba transformer ng H/K even their lower models? thanks for any comments.. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 29, 2003 at 01:30 AM
hello guys,
    paki pm naman sakin prize ng 5550? and pls correct me on this, madali ba uminit ang H/K compare to other brands? sabi kasi ng ibang owner ng H/K madali daw uminit, napansin ko puno ng vent hole ang top ng receiver unlike other brands na maliliit lang ang ventings nya on top. is this true? toroidal ba transformer ng H/K even their lower models? thanks for any comments.. :)


madali syang mag-init kung ang load nya ay mababa sa 8 ohm since 8 ohm ang recquirment nya syempre need more power to drive the speaker but normal lang sa kahit anong AMP or reciever yong nag-iinit.. i think sa HK 5500 model pataas ay toroidal na
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Oct 29, 2003 at 02:00 AM
j_albert,
    thank you sir for the comment, di ko lang makita kasi specs ng 5500 sa site ng H/K, maybe this is an asian version kaya wala sa listings ng H/K site. minimum ba  8 ohms na pwede sa H/K? others kasi is 6 and 8 ohms pwede, fix ba sa 8 ohms ang H/K?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 29, 2003 at 02:05 AM
d naman kc when speaker are working it can be drop down to 4 ohm or lower, also it depend to the spec of the speaker
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: toshiba on Oct 29, 2003 at 02:28 AM
j_albert,
    thank you sir for the comment, di ko lang makita kasi specs ng 5500 sa site ng H/K, maybe this is an asian version kaya wala sa listings ng H/K site. minimum ba  8 ohms na pwede sa H/K? others kasi is 6 and 8 ohms pwede, fix ba sa 8 ohms ang H/K?

hi raycor, i found your specs here:
http://international.harmankardon.com/international/default.asp?language=ENGLISH
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 29, 2003 at 07:36 AM
j_albert,
    thank you sir for the comment, di ko lang makita kasi specs ng 5500 sa site ng H/K, maybe this is an asian version kaya wala sa listings ng H/K site. minimum ba  8 ohms na pwede sa H/K? others kasi is 6 and 8 ohms pwede, fix ba sa 8 ohms ang H/K?

i know that hk could even go as low as 2 ohms.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Oct 29, 2003 at 08:28 AM
Actually my S85 M&K is 4ohms, not a problem naman w/ my HK5500.  Para ngang walang ka effort effort but I notice talaga na mainit ang HK AVR's but I know its normal, maybe bec HK's are high current AVR's.

OT: James, inip nako mag Nov, para ma audition ko na un M&K ko w/ B2 or B4.  Sana mag match!?!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 29, 2003 at 08:47 AM
Mk,

Balitaan mo kami dyan sir.. sure match yan

Regards to heat.. seems that almost all AVR generate heat especially when given a heavy load but its typically normal basta give enough ventilation and don't cover the top part.

S2kov,

Sure sir let you know..  8) 8) I think James and Narayan have audition the combo and have good praises. :) :) :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 29, 2003 at 08:55 AM
Actually my S85 M&K is 4ohms, not a problem naman w/ my HK5500.  Para ngang walang ka effort effort but I notice talaga na mainit ang HK AVR's but I know its normal, maybe bec HK's are high current AVR's.

OT: James, inip nako mag Nov, para ma audition ko na un M&K ko w/ B2 or B4.  Sana mag match!?!

baka match naman sila ng M&K... audition talaga para cgurado.... ;)

galing ng B4.... nakakapag-isip tuloy din.... ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Oct 29, 2003 at 09:11 AM
Balitaan ko kayo guys pag na audition ko na, definitely MA would match my HK5500, the question on my ears would be my M&K matching MA?

Gusto ko kasi I have the budget na pag nag audition para right after e mauwi ko na kung sino man sa B2 or B4? But im sure B4 would be the winner pro bahala na, sana mag match? Ayaw ko ng mag palit ng center pls...

Hay SARS!!!  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 29, 2003 at 01:23 PM
MK,

Mas panalo nga kung isang puntahan na lang.. mahirap ang SARS attack..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Oct 29, 2003 at 01:31 PM
Hans Adriane,

After nito eh sana, sana matapos na itong sakit (SARS)na ito!!!  ;D

 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 29, 2003 at 02:16 PM
MK,

Mas panalo nga kung isang puntahan na lang.. mahirap ang SARS attack..


tama ka jan, ang hirap talaga ng SARS.... hehehhe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 29, 2003 at 02:27 PM
James,

Nag-confirm na si Sir akyat.. tuloy na tuloy na sir!! 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 29, 2003 at 03:22 PM
HK boys and girls,

Have you guys tried to set all your speakers to LARGE?? done it yesterday and got very good result.. will it damage my AVR??

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 29, 2003 at 03:40 PM
James,

Nag-confirm na si Sir akyat.. tuloy na tuloy na sir!! 8)

ok na ok yan!!!!  ;D

kita-kits na lang tayo!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 29, 2003 at 04:39 PM
HK boys and girls,

Have you guys tried to set all your speakers to LARGE?? done it yesterday and got very good result.. will it damage my AVR??



i have not tried it yet. i don't think madadamage yung hk natin.... i think they were designed to handle that provided the other ht equipment attached are within specs...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Oct 29, 2003 at 04:54 PM
Hans,

Di kaya bumigay yung center?

HK boys and girls,

Have you guys tried to set all your speakers to LARGE?? done it yesterday and got very good result.. will it damage my AVR??


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 29, 2003 at 05:05 PM
James and slayer,

I think kaya ng HK but will the center and rear speakers can handle it??  ??? ???

pero try nyo pre MALUPET!! Feel more of the action!! :o
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 29, 2003 at 05:40 PM
James and slayer,

I think kaya ng HK but will the center and rear speakers can handle it??  ??? ???

pero try nyo pre MALUPET!! Feel more of the action!! :o

cguro kaya ng center at surrounds yan, depende lang kung anong klase.... kung full range naman speakers mo (in preparation sa DVD-A/SACD).. yakang-yaka yan!

subukan ko cguro ilarge yung front at center (dpat brake-in muna) kapag comlpete set-up na, wala pa akong surround eh...  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Oct 29, 2003 at 06:01 PM
sir toshiba,
   thanks you sir for the info.. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 29, 2003 at 08:33 PM
i have not tried it yet. i don't think madadamage yung hk natin.... i think they were designed to handle that provided the other ht equipment attached are within specs...


i tried na and now this is my present setting wala pa naman nayayari sa AVR ko  ;D ;Dlast tym when i set my volume to -10 automatic nag shut off yung unit and i know may overload protect pala HK...and one thing di naman nila ilalagay yon kung di kaya nang AVR IMHO ko lang
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 30, 2003 at 08:29 AM
J_albert,

Btw just email HK international and inquire about the setting if it will damage our speakers.. post ko pag may response na..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 30, 2003 at 02:20 PM
i tried na and now this is my present setting wala pa naman nayayari sa AVR ko  ;D ;Dlast tym when i set my volume to -10 automatic nag shut off yung unit and i know may overload protect pala HK...and one thing di naman nila ilalagay yon kung di kaya nang AVR IMHO ko lang

yup, may overload protect hk natin....

what i used to do then was set my front at large and the rest are small.... i like the results when it comes to ht. right now nde ko pa ginagawa yun... cguro kapag kumpleto na speakers ko...

btw, ang lakas nun, umabot ka ng -10db....

sabagay nagawa ko yun last week (-6db) nung nanonood ako ng eagles and jim brickman dvds.... ganda ng tunog eh, gusto ko sana pa lakasan pero ayaw ko mapuwersa pa speakers ko... ;D the more your listen the more you get mesmerize... :)

tanong ko guys pala, what is your usual volume while watching movies, i for me mga (-20db up to -12db)....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 30, 2003 at 06:10 PM
James,

-15 max na yun for me pre..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 30, 2003 at 07:00 PM
James,

-15 max na yun for me pre..

malakas nga yan.... lalo na naka 5500 ka idol!  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 30, 2003 at 07:28 PM
James,

-15 max na yun for me pre..

ang lakas non cguro malaki yung space  sakin usually -20 nalalakasan na ko e yung 5500 pa wow :o :o
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 31, 2003 at 07:59 AM
kung saka-sakali congrats kay cousin skeeter.... baka hk na..... heheheh  ;D

hans adriene,

pwede mo kayo matanong sa hk international, what kind of speakers (including specs) pwede i-large for center at surrounds?  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Oct 31, 2003 at 05:51 PM
James,

I'll try pre so that wala tayong problema pero yun first email ko wla pa response..
Si cousin skeeter pre already got his HK.. text me last night galing daw tried it with his friends setup.. :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Oct 31, 2003 at 07:35 PM
may HK na ba na may zone 2 dito sa pinas?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Oct 31, 2003 at 09:36 PM
indridcold,

H/K's 4500 and higher models have a multi-room function.  Basically you can listen to another source (say a cd) in another room while watching dvd in the main room.

Cheers.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Oct 31, 2003 at 10:52 PM
James,

I'll try pre so that wala tayong problema pero yun first email ko wla pa response..
Si cousin skeeter pre already got his HK.. text me last night galing daw tried it with his friends setup.. :D


hans,

ok thanks...  ;D

cousin skeeter,

congrats on your HK..... welcome to our HK Club!!!! ang galing nyan, very warm and dynamic....  ;D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 02, 2003 at 03:53 PM
indridcold,

Pre yun HK 5500 meron zone 2..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Nov 02, 2003 at 07:49 PM

thanks guys. la ata 4500 sa pinas. kakabili ko lang rin 2550 kaya lang type ko yung may zone 2. would you know if kelangan pa separate amp for the 2nd zone?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 02, 2003 at 10:06 PM

thanks guys. la ata 4500 sa pinas. kakabili ko lang rin 2550 kaya lang type ko yung may zone 2. would you know if kelangan pa separate amp for the 2nd zone?

congrats at welcome sa hk club, anyway si hans adriene cguro makaksagot dyan tungkol sa zone 2.... wala akong alam dyan eh....  ;D

i think di magkakaron dto ng 4500...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Superman on Nov 02, 2003 at 10:14 PM
congrats at welcome sa hk club, anyway si hans adriene cguro makaksagot dyan tungkol sa zone 2.... wala akong alam dyan eh....  ;D

i think di magkakaron dto ng 4500...


hi james...sent a PM for you and nels...thanks!  8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Nov 02, 2003 at 10:17 PM

thanks guys. la ata 4500 sa pinas. kakabili ko lang rin 2550 kaya lang type ko yung may zone 2. would you know if kelangan pa separate amp for the 2nd zone?

Indridcold,

You need a separate amp for the 2nd zone.  

Cheers.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 02, 2003 at 10:25 PM
hi james...sent a PM for you and nels...thanks!  8)

ah ok, thanks... will let you know kung makapunta ako (wag lang conflict sa work sked)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Nov 03, 2003 at 12:31 AM
thank you sir. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 03, 2003 at 10:07 AM
peeps,

got my hk2550 as hans said. used it with my friends missions and its great! hanep!! what i really noticed is that it can deliver even for those really deep, hard, bass sounds. you can feel the punch, siguro due to its high current capacity. yung iba, parang bitin sa akin eh. but why wonder, its a harman, hehehe. and to think 55 wats per channel lang siya. hindi pa dumating ang b2 ko but will check with my dealer here later this afternoon baka nandun na. cant wait!!!!


bro indridcold,

yamaha -> hk convert ka na rin pala? hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Nov 03, 2003 at 10:15 AM
o nga bro. after a few wks without my HT medyo nababaliw nako e. had to get a new one. kaya ayun napadpad ng isang beses sa spectra. inalok ako ni Nino ng HK and the rest is history. medyo interesado na nga ako sa 5500 e dahil sa zone 2. Congrats bro. Atin atin lang how much mo nabenta yammy? pm mo na lang tnx.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 03, 2003 at 10:55 AM
peeps,

got my hk2550 as hans said. used it with my friends missions and its great! hanep!! what i really noticed is that it can deliver even for those really deep, hard, bass sounds. you can feel the punch, siguro due to its high current capacity. yung iba, parang bitin sa akin eh. but why wonder, its a harman, hehehe. and to think 55 wats per channel lang siya. hindi pa dumating ang b2 ko but will check with my dealer here later this afternoon baka nandun na. cant wait!!!!


bro indridcold,

yamaha -> hk convert ka na rin pala? hehehe


naku... lalo na cguro di maalis ang ngiti mo kapag andyan na b2 mo.... ;D

konting tyaga lang at mga 50-100 hrs break-in period yan pero its definitely worth the wait... :D

ang galing ng HK/MA combo!!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Nov 03, 2003 at 11:04 AM
how much na ba b2 bro? parang gsto ko nang sumali sa combo na yan e. kaya lang if i get the b2 kelangan MA din center.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 03, 2003 at 11:09 AM
how much na ba b2 bro? parang gsto ko nang sumali sa combo na yan e. kaya lang if i get the b2 kelangan MA din center.

well, IMHO maganda nga kung pareho ang fronts at center mo...

sent you pm (price of b2)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 03, 2003 at 12:13 PM
how much na ba b2 bro? parang gsto ko nang sumali sa combo na yan e. kaya lang if i get the b2 kelangan MA din center.

you wont regret sa HK/MA combo panalo ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 03, 2003 at 12:32 PM
the b2 is priced around 11k+. b center mga 7k+. try archi, hometheatre and nelrey. i think almost the same prices nila. by the way diba naka wharf diamonds ka na? i think they match well with hk since you already have a sub. or did u sell ur speakers too  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gutierrez on Nov 03, 2003 at 12:55 PM
question lang guys, I'm currently using mission speakers meron bang difference sa sound if I'll use ma speakers for movies
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Nov 03, 2003 at 01:19 PM
question lang guys, I'm currently using mission speakers meron bang difference sa sound if I'll use ma speakers for movies

gutierrez.. audition to appreciate.. mr. sonny tuazon is also carrying MA speakers..  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Nov 03, 2003 at 01:27 PM
still using the diamonds cousin skeeter. :) la naman ako reklamo. kaya lang alam mo na pag dumating yung itch to upgrade or bumili ng bago. hay buhay. :(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 03, 2003 at 01:52 PM
still using the diamonds cousin skeeter. :) la naman ako reklamo. kaya lang alam mo na pag dumating yung itch to upgrade or bumili ng bago. hay buhay. :(

IMHO, kapag naka monitor audio ka na... matatagalan bago magkaron ng itch for upgrade....

upgrade from monitor audio to other brands will be a big jump sa price na....

monitor audio is the best sounding speaker in terms of budget....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 03, 2003 at 02:10 PM
question lang guys, I'm currently using mission speakers meron bang difference sa sound if I'll use ma speakers for movies

i agree with idol sebman that you need to audition it... also, ma works well with hk...

importante rin kasi yung rcvr/spkr/cable matching...

but being a former mission owner, with my hk3550, there was a big difference in sound in music, great in soundstage and imaging, but in movies just a little difference for front speakers (but certainly better).

the biggest impact was when i change my center speaker from mission to monitor audio, i was amazed with the clarity of dialogue... i used to have difficulty watching vcds and while watching dvds, i use the subtitle function.... but getting the B Centre, it certainly gave me a smile.... ;D

ang linaw ng mga dialogue, watching dvds i don't need subtitle anymore then watching vcds, its as clear as watching dvds...

i can't say much regarding surrounds coz i haven't replace my m70s that i sold... pinag-iipuna ko pa ang b1 eh.

but i just want to repeat : very important is to audition and hear it for yourself... rcvr/spkr/player/cable matching....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Nov 03, 2003 at 02:28 PM
i agree with idol sebman that you need to audition it... also, ma works well with hk...

ot.. pre wala nang idol.. kaw idol namin e.. you introduce us to MA speakers..  ;D  ;D malapit na yung listening session natin..  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 03, 2003 at 02:59 PM
ot.. pre wala nang idol.. kaw idol namin e.. you introduce us to MA speakers..  ;D  ;D malapit na yung listening session natin..  ;)

 ;D

lapit na listening session natin... ilan tulugan na lang...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 03, 2003 at 05:31 PM
Indridcold,

Congrats and welcome to HK club  8) 8)..


James and Sebman,

Oo nga ready na yun baon kong speaker wire and B4 hehehe hope wlang co-contra  ;D ;D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 03, 2003 at 05:33 PM
Guiterrez,

HK and Monitor Audio combo vs HK and Mission..mmmhh ??? ??? mahirap pero for 2 channel  monitor Audio ako 8) 8)

Audition to hear the difference.. iba iba taste natin sir  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Nov 03, 2003 at 05:39 PM
Thanks hans. sana makabili din ako MA kaya lang mahal e. type ko kasi yung b4. sana bumba presyo pati yung 5500.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 03, 2003 at 05:48 PM
indridcold,

Maganda nga HK 5500 and B4 combo.. relaxing and moving ang combo any music you play..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 03, 2003 at 11:36 PM
hans adriene,

sana nga wala nang kontrahan.... heheheh  ;D

i think proper matching of ht equipment will be the key....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 04, 2003 at 01:09 AM
hi everybody,
      may i ask if the H/K receiver can defeat its tone control(bass/treble)? so that direct signal or flat response is being fed to the two front speaker, is this possible to H/K avr?  is there any adjustment on the crossover for the sub? i.e. 120hz to 80hz or lower? and by the way, where is it made, malaysia or china? model 5500 and below? i just want to upgrade my avr to H/K. any comment would surely appreciate.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 04, 2003 at 07:20 AM
hi everybody,
      may i ask if the H/K receiver can defeat its tone control(bass/treble)? so that direct signal or flat response is being fed to the two front speaker, is this possible to H/K avr?  is there any adjustment on the crossover for the sub? i.e. 120hz to 80hz or lower? and by the way, where is it made, malaysia or china? model 5500 and below? i just want to upgrade my avr to H/K. any comment would surely appreciate.  :)

yes H/K has a function to defeat the tone control by setting to tone-out mode and regarding to sub no
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 04, 2003 at 08:41 AM
Raycor,

As of Hk5500 feature meron itong tone defeat..  for LFE crossover.. you can set the LFE for HT and Music separately.. tigisa silang setting even for the speaker setting LARGE for Music tapos small naman sa HT or vice versa.. Made in china sir 8) 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 04, 2003 at 11:15 AM
mga bros,

clarification lang. will the source dvd player be a factor in the quality of the sound produced if one is using a digital connection (optical cable/coax) to connect dvd player and receiver? am just wondering coz if the dvd player is just sending 0's and 1's to the receiver and the receiver does the digital to analog conversion then the sound quality will totally depend upon the receiver, like in the case of hk being 192/24 DAC, no matter what dvd player one is using. am asking this coz im planning to use my dvd player for both music and movies.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 04, 2003 at 11:23 AM
Pinsan skeeter,

Lets say DVD to AVR

If Digital like Optical/ Coax  your using the converter of the AVR..

If Analog like RCA left/right your using the Cd players converter naman.

IMHO.. but i maybe wrong  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Nov 04, 2003 at 11:46 AM
I concur. Pero skeeter bro, mas ok pa rin for me if you use dedicated cd player for music unless your dvd player is of the high end.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Nov 04, 2003 at 12:03 PM
mga bros,

clarification lang. will the source dvd player be a factor in the quality of the sound produced if one is using a digital connection (optical cable/coax) to connect dvd player and receiver? am just wondering coz if the dvd player is just sending 0's and 1's to the receiver and the receiver does the digital to analog conversion then the sound quality will totally depend upon the receiver, like in the case of hk being 192/24 DAC, no matter what dvd player one is using. am asking this coz im planning to use my dvd player for both music and movies.

Generally no, but some/certain DVD player models inhibit digital output. Like yung 24 bit, 96 kHz audio, minsan ang nilalabas lang sa digital output is 24/48Khz. For details, refer to the player’s operation manual.


You may refer to page 35 of this player's manual: Save target as: http://images.amazon.com/media/i3d/01/MANUAL000001457.pdf (http://images.amazon.com/media/i3d/01/MANUAL000001457.pdf)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Nov 04, 2003 at 01:11 PM
Pinsan skeeter,

Lets say DVD to AVR

If Digital like Optical/ Coax  your using the converter of the AVR..

If Analog like RCA left/right your using the Cd players converter naman.

IMHO.. but i maybe wrong  ;D ;D

Hans,

You are somehow correct.

If the connection between the source and the AVR is digital, you are using the AVR's Digital to Analog Converter.

But if you are using Analog Connection Between the Source and AVR (say RCA Connection), the AVR will have to convert it to Digital so that you can adjust the sound parameters through the use of Digital Bass/Treble Control and other adjsutments on the AVR, then, AVR will have to covert it again to Analog.
Unless you use "SOURCE DIRECT" (like the case of Marantz) or Tone Defeat (for HK) wherein the AVR will just have to amplify the signal and no additional processing will be done. In this case, you use the DAC of the Source.

Cheers.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 04, 2003 at 03:24 PM
thanks! by the way, went to the US harman kardon site and they're releasing new models already (avr 130, 230, etc).diba the 225 was the equal of the 3550? well the new version, avr230 is already 7.1, has component video switching and has 7.1 direct in and 7.1 preouts. dang! theyve put in all the features i was looking for. tsk tsk tsk. delikado tayo sa SARS pag mag release na sila ng international version. kakabili ko pa lang ng 2550 ko. haayyyyy, HT buhay!

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Nov 04, 2003 at 03:28 PM
thanks! by the way, went to the US harman kardon site and they're releasing new models already (avr 130, 230, etc).diba the 225 was the equal of the 3550? well the new version, avr230 is already 7.1, has component video switching and has 7.1 direct in and 7.1 preouts. dang! theyve put in all the features i was looking for. tsk tsk tsk. delikado tayo sa SARS pag mag release na sila ng international version. kakabili ko pa lang ng 2550 ko. haayyyyy, HT buhay!

that model would be either 4550 or 5550 here.. the 5550 is already available here.. sayang nde ka nakapag-hintay pinsan skeeter..  ;D  ;D pede pa naman ata soli yung 2550 mo or trade-in for an upgrade e..  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 04, 2003 at 03:30 PM
Cousin Skeeter,

No problem yan tapon mo sa akin... hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 04, 2003 at 03:43 PM
i dont think its the same as the 4550 or the 5550 coz its still 50watts/chan like the 3550 and theyve redesigned the front panel. and its SRP is $549, around P25K here, and we all know that the street price can still go lower. anyway, my only consolation is that my room cant fit a 7.1 setup anyway (sour graping). *sigh*
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 04, 2003 at 03:57 PM
and i still like the old front panel better than the new one (more sourgraping)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 04, 2003 at 04:57 PM
cousin skeeter,

wag ka mabahala kung nde ka pa naka-7.1...

minsan naiisip ko din na mag-upgrade pero masaya na ako sa set-up ko ngayon....

i love the sound... i mean there are guys who still loves 2 channel set-up, mas gusto nila imaging....

ganda talaga HK/MA set-up no matter what kind of model we have...

power for the digital revolution... as close as it  gets...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 04, 2003 at 04:59 PM
j_albert22 n hans adriane,
      thank you sir your the info about the H/K avr, by the way, how much is HK5500? torroidal na ba ang transformer nito? where can i find an authorized store of HK in manila? na aatrack ako sa HK performance kaya interesado akong mag change ng receiver but im more on music, 30% in movies ok lang ba? thanks again... :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Nov 04, 2003 at 05:34 PM
last time i looked 5500 was around 34k sa spectra park sq 1 makati.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 04, 2003 at 06:25 PM
j_albert22 n hans adriane,
      thank you sir your the info about the H/K avr, by the way, how much is HK5500? torroidal na ba ang transformer nito? where can i find an authorized store of HK in manila? na aatrack ako sa HK performance kaya interesado akong mag change ng receiver but im more on music, 30% in movies ok lang ba? thanks again... :)

try mo rin sa architectural audio....... :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Narayan on Nov 04, 2003 at 08:21 PM
raycor,

bro, dropped by the hk dealer at sm city cyberzone the other day and saw the HK 5500 on sale at 29K :o
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 04, 2003 at 10:14 PM
raycor,

bro, dropped by the hk dealer at sm city cyberzone the other day and saw the HK 5500 on sale at 29K :o

ok jan mura ah....  :o
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 04, 2003 at 10:20 PM
j_albert22 n hans adriane,
      thank you sir your the info about the H/K avr, by the way, how much is HK5500? torroidal na ba ang transformer nito? where can i find an authorized store of HK in manila? na aatrack ako sa HK performance kaya interesado akong mag change ng receiver but im more on music, 30% in movies ok lang ba? thanks again... :)

IMHO, when it comes to music among budget av receivers, ok ang HK.... at saka ayos din ang support nyan (service and aftersales) dto satin... pero alam ko maganda din denon dyan eh...

you can try them sa architectural audio located inside new world hotel in makati (near grenbelt 3)... you can do AB comparison with denon since meron sila dun...

audition pa din ang the best and only you can decide...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 04, 2003 at 10:49 PM
thanks to all of you guys, very helpful talaga kayo.i'll try to audition also for total peace of mind. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 05, 2003 at 08:20 AM
Raycor,

Music or HT no problem yan sa HK sir.. I assure you that 100%
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 05, 2003 at 10:10 AM
james16,

am contented na rin with the 2550 now.actually ive friends who listened to my harman paired with missions and sabi nila theyll be waiting na lang for "fs:owner is leaving" or "fs:owner is upgrading" para maka hk din sila coz bilib din sila sa hk. so in case magka sars ako someday, ive potential buyers na, hehehe.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 05, 2003 at 10:25 AM
james16,

am contented na rin with the 2550 now.actually ive friends who listened to my harman paired with missions and sabi nila theyll be waiting na lang for "fs:owner is leaving" or "fs:owner is upgrading" para maka hk din sila coz bilib din sila sa hk. so in case magka sars ako someday, ive potential buyers na, hehehe.

ayos... marami cgurado mag-aabang dyan... hehehe IMHO, lalo na kapag HK/MA na.... tyaga lang sa paghihintay at break-in... heheheh
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 05, 2003 at 10:29 AM
Questions to 5500 users,

Did your MP3 indicator lit when playing MP3? What setting do you have on both AVR and player?

I'm using HK5500 and DV555 Pioneer DVD player.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 06, 2003 at 08:56 AM
Anyone can help me on this??? :-\

HELP
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 06, 2003 at 09:39 AM
tulungan sana kita kaso 3550 lang hk ko eh...  ;D

im sure kapag naka-log-in si hans adriene (or other owners with the same model that you have) or architectural audio, sila makakagot nyan...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Nov 06, 2003 at 10:02 AM
Questions to 5500 users,

Did your MP3 indicator lit when playing MP3? What setting do you have on both AVR and player?

I'm using HK5500 and DV555 Pioneer DVD player.

Nope, im using Pioneer DV355
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 06, 2003 at 10:07 AM
James16,

Thanks anyway... 8)

Courage,

What setting did you used on DV355? :D :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Nov 06, 2003 at 10:12 AM
James16,

Thanks anyway... 8)

Courage,

What setting did you used on DV355? :D :D :D

Umiilaw ba yung mp3 nang HK mo?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 06, 2003 at 10:31 AM
nde nga eh! :-\ I'm expecting this to lit when playing mp3 unfortunately instead of mp3, PCM indicator will lit.... :( :( :(

I tried to reconfigure the player but nothing happens...maybe other guys here knows the exact setting on both avr and player..... :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Nov 06, 2003 at 10:45 AM
Ganto po yun.

Yung dvd player natin na may mp3 capability, kinokonvert nya yung MP3 bitstream sa LPCM, kaya ang marerecognize ng AV receiver is LPCM not MP3.

If you want na ang magdedecode ng MP3 is yung receiver (like for example with HK 5500), souce should not convert the MP3 bitstream to LPCM. Direct example is SPDIF (or Coax) digital out capable soundcard from PC.


Correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Nov 06, 2003 at 11:30 AM
Ganto po yun.

Yung dvd player natin na may mp3 capability, kinokonvert nya yung MP3 bitstream sa LPCM, kaya ang marerecognize ng AV receiver is LPCM not MP3.

If you want na ang magdedecode ng MP3 is yung receiver (like for example with HK 5500), souce should not convert the MP3 bitstream to LPCM. Direct example is SPDIF (or Coax) digital out capable soundcard from PC.


Correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you.

Philander is correct
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 06, 2003 at 11:31 AM
To be able for me to take advantage to AVR's MP3 capability, aside from PC, what player do i need to use so that the receiver will do the MP3 decoding?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Nov 06, 2003 at 11:56 AM
To be able for me to take advantage to AVR's MP3 capability, aside from PC, what player do i need to use so that the receiver will do the MP3 decoding?

I don't know one brand/model, but I think kung makakahanap ka ng player na may digital out which you can select the bitstream na ilalabas: LPCM, MP3 or MPEG Audio, etc.

Pag nakahanap ka, please let us know....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 06, 2003 at 12:09 PM
I have the pro-logic receiver (htib) which has the optical out. Is it possible that i can use this as the source when i play the mp3 disc. FYI this is only capable of playing Audio CD & VCD. 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Nov 06, 2003 at 12:25 PM
I have the pro-logic receiver (htib) which has the optical out. Is it possible that i can use this as the source when i play the mp3 disc. FYI this is only capable of playing Audio CD & VCD. 8) 8) 8)

First, the player must be capable of MP3 playing... then check the capability of digital out if it can send out MP3 signal.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Nov 06, 2003 at 12:32 PM
I have the pro-logic receiver (htib) which has the optical out. Is it possible that i can use this as the source when i play the mp3 disc. FYI this is only capable of playing Audio CD & VCD. 8) 8) 8)

same results.. remember you would still use your dvd player that is capable of reading mp3 formats and it converts mp3-pcm formats just as philander says.. what you need is a player that is capable of reading mp3 formats but would do no mp3-pcm convertion and would only pass a raw mp3 format to your avr.. i previously own a kebao 3089 dvd player which you can choose a digital out format.. the choices are.. spdif-raw/pcm/ and i forgot the last choice.. maybe this player is what philander is talking about then your hk 5500 would do the mp3 decoding.. but it is not confirmed.. i maybe wrong.. violent reactions are welcome..  ;D  ;D  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Nov 06, 2003 at 12:37 PM
To add more, generally sa PC meron nito:

As described sa harman site: MP3 Decoding Through Coaxial or Optical Digital
(S/P-DIF) Inputs Enables Playback of Hours of Music
From a Compatible Computer
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 06, 2003 at 01:02 PM
Thanks men, appreciate your help!!! 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 06, 2003 at 01:41 PM
S2kov,

Sir sorry don't have a MP3 capable player pa..  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bhot on Nov 06, 2003 at 02:04 PM
same results.. remember you would still use your dvd player that is capable of reading mp3 formats and it converts mp3-pcm formats just as philander says.. what you need is a player that is capable of reading mp3 formats but would do no mp3-pcm convertion and would only pass a raw mp3 format to your avr.. i previously own a kebao 3089 dvd player which you can choose a digital out format.. the choices are.. spdif-raw/pcm/ and i forgot the last choice.. maybe this player is what philander is talking about then your hk 5500 would do the mp3 decoding.. but it is not confirmed.. i maybe wrong.. violent reactions are welcome..  ;D  ;D  


i'll try this tonite on my KB2089 (kung meron din digital out format) and HK5500. I'll post the result tomorrow. Tingnan ko kung i-ilaw yun MP3 indicator sa HK ko.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 06, 2003 at 04:08 PM
Hans,

No problem bro! 8)

Bhot,

Thanks, i'll just wait for the result.... :D

Guys, how about the 96/192KHz indicator? Have you tried this when playing audio CD?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 06, 2003 at 05:26 PM
S2kov,

HDCD indicator lang..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 06, 2003 at 05:44 PM
Hhmmm.... ::) ::) ::)Thanks anyway.... :D :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Nov 06, 2003 at 06:19 PM
So far (correct me if I'me wrong), wala pang source media na 24bit/192Khz resolution (or dvd player itself) na ma-ooutput from digital out of the player to Digital in of the receiver, 24/96Khz pa lang. Yung 24/192 is automatically decoded by capable player to analog out.

My Marantz 4300 is capable of 96khz/24-bit resolution. I tried it yesterday using DVD-Audio with Pioneer 667A. And the 96khz indicator lit in the receiver's display panel.

Note: DVD players have different digital out characteristics. There are some limitations, restrictions and inhibitions.

 
Correct me if I'me wrong... rsty, please help.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: v0elker on Nov 06, 2003 at 07:09 PM
So far (correct me if I'me wrong), wala pang source media na 24bit/192Khz resolution (or dvd player itself) na ma-ooutput from digital out of the player to Digital in of the receiver, 24/96Khz pa lang. Yung 24/192 is automatically decoded by capable player to analog out.

My Marantz 4300 is capable of 96khz/24-bit resolution. I tried it yesterday using DVD-Audio with Pioneer 667A. And the 96khz indicator lit in the receiver's display panel.

Note: DVD players have different digital out characteristics. There are some limitations, restrictions and inhibitions.

 
Correct me if I'me wrong... rsty, please help.

in addition to this, the 24/96 resolution you get via the toslink/coax connection is only in stereo
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 06, 2003 at 07:25 PM
Very much appreciated your help!!! :D:D :D

I've learned many things on this.... :) :) :)

MORE POWER!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 07, 2003 at 08:35 AM
Guys,

available na sa Architectural Audio yung HK 4550!

7.1 na sya!!!  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bhot on Nov 07, 2003 at 09:05 AM

Bhot,

Thanks, i'll just wait for the result.... :D


Tried playing an MP3 last night on my KB2089 (with the digital out set to SPDIF/RAW) connected to my HK5500 using COAX. Still, PCM ang nag luminate. Maybe hindi RAW info ang nilalabas ng Kebao, nag-convert na din.

Ewan ko sa ibang model ng Kebao.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 07, 2003 at 09:17 AM
Hhmmm....... ::) ::) ::)Thanks for your help!!! 8) 8) 8)

james16,

How much is the 4550?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 07, 2003 at 09:23 AM
Hhmmm....... ::) ::) ::)Thanks for your help!!! 8) 8) 8)

james16,

How much is the 4550?

ay, nde ko alam eh... nakalimutan ko tanungin... ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Nov 07, 2003 at 09:23 AM
Guys,
available na sa Architectural Audio yung HK 4550!
7.1 na sya!!!  ;D

wows.. upgrade na james16..  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 07, 2003 at 09:34 AM
how much ang 4550?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 07, 2003 at 09:36 AM
upgrade.... ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 07, 2003 at 09:37 AM
james,

wehehehe. am just curious  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Nov 07, 2003 at 09:48 AM
How much nga? Im also curious.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 07, 2003 at 09:48 AM
james,

wehehehe. am just curious  ;D ;D

nde ko alam kung magkano yung 4550..

here's a link

http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%204550/230&language=ENGLISH
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 07, 2003 at 11:06 AM
upgrade.... ::)

iba na talaga yong bigtime ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 07, 2003 at 11:07 AM
James,

How much sir?? hehehe bakit ngayon ka lang... 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 07, 2003 at 12:45 PM
38.8K daw sa archi. tsk tsk tsk, way out of my league.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 07, 2003 at 12:47 PM
38.8K daw sa archi. tsk tsk tsk, way out of my league.

parang mas mahal pa kaysa 5500? sabagay this is a newer model...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 07, 2003 at 12:52 PM
Grabe pala.. pero still cheaper since 7.1 kasi pag 5500 + power amp will cost more..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 07, 2003 at 04:25 PM
James,

Upgrade??? sino ikaw sir???
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 08, 2003 at 01:38 AM
James,

Upgrade??? sino ikaw sir???

 ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 08, 2003 at 01:55 AM
sori at di ko nasagot kung magkano yung price ng 4550 kahapon at ngayon lang ulit ako napag-online... anyway, galing ako dun kagabi sa archi, its price is between 38+ up to 40K...

na-audition nga namin kagabi at dun pa lang nagamit... ayos talaga sya pero syempre kelangan ng pagbreak-in pa din...

kita kits na lang tayo mamaya kay akyat..... dun sa listening session...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: YrNeH on Nov 08, 2003 at 09:55 AM
totoo bang parang plantsa kung kumunsumo ng kuryente ang HK pag ginagamit mo?  kasi nakita ko sa specs e standby pa lang >120w na
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: v0elker on Nov 08, 2003 at 08:33 PM
curious lang po...

why is it that the receivers in hk's us website looks different from the ones in hk's euro website. are the us models newer? they look really cool. plus they have some interesting features like quadruple crossovers, et al

(http://www.harmankardon.com/images/product_small/AVR430.jpg)

yung sa euro website naman yung traditional looks ng hk

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 08, 2003 at 10:33 PM
hans adrienne - ganda ng b4 mo... heheheh

nice meeting my fellow HK/MA guys, hans adrienne, sebman, j_albert22, and also slayer (hk guy din)... macocnvince ba natin si rogie (i hope i got the handle right) na makisali din...

akyatbundok - thanks for being a wonderful host at ganda ng set-up nyo, busog kami...  ;D pwede ba makiborder??? hehehe

sir narayan - ganda ng MF/Rotel mo... hope makadecide na kyo alin ang maswerteng speaker na ipapares dyan...

nels76 - buti at nakahabol ka... nakakamiss ba ang set-up mo??? heheheh
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 09, 2003 at 12:41 AM
guys, i own already the MA B4 speakers connected to denon 1803, is it worth to upgrade and change my 1803 to H/K 5500? since most of the guys here claimed MA and H/K are best combo? what do you think guys?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Nov 09, 2003 at 12:45 AM
I got a PM from Epoy informing that the HK 4550 and the 5550 are already available. Just call them for prices.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 09, 2003 at 12:15 PM
guys, i own already the MA B4 speakers connected to denon 1803, is it worth to upgrade and change my 1803 to H/K 5500? since most of the guys here claimed MA and H/K are best combo? what do you think guys?

congrats.... sayang sana nakasama ka kahpon kina akyat...

well, yung 1803 ay 6.1 na unlike yung 5500 7.1 ready lang sya, you have to connect another amp para maging 7.1...

may i suggest you take into consideration the 4550 dahil 71. na sya.... but still audition para marining mo kung dapat ka pa mag-upgrade or not... enjoy...
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Post by: H a n $ on Nov 09, 2003 at 03:17 PM
James,

Thanks sir hope you like the sound of B4 and nice meeting you pre.. ganda ng CD mo ah pakopya :D :D sayang lang and nobody bought along there HK at sana eh ma-witness nila ang ganda ng combo natin hehehehe

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 09, 2003 at 07:43 PM
James,

Thanks sir hope you like the sound of B4 and nice meeting you pre.. ganda ng CD mo ah pakopya :D :D sayang lang and nobody bought along there HK at sana eh ma-witness nila ang ganda ng combo natin hehehehe



ayos na ayos yang B4 mo... nakakapag-isip tuloy ah...  ::)
cge, walang problema sa pagkopya ng cd... ganda din sir yung mga cds mo...

sayang nga at walang nakapagdala ng hk, maybe next time sir...
marinig nila ang HK/MA combo...
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Post by: Philander on Nov 09, 2003 at 09:56 PM
curious lang po...

why is it that the receivers in hk's us website looks different from the ones in hk's euro website. are the us models newer? they look really cool. plus they have some interesting features like quadruple crossovers, et al

yung sa euro website naman yung traditional looks ng hk

Wala yun, just versions and model naming to particular region.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 10, 2003 at 12:22 AM
i just wanna share...

this may be a bit old news but... i used to own a receiver that was ok in movies... but after sometime i got tired of just watching movies and while listening to music, i realize my reciever then wasn't that good...

my ears now has evolved that i wanted a receiver to be both good in music and movie... SARS

what i did the following days, i'd ask some a/v salesmen for their suggestions, research the web (including pinoydvd)... i also narrowed the a/v shops (considered parts and service support)

then there is a review which says that this certain brand is excels in movies, and the other brand is excels in music, but HK are excellent at both HT and music...

this certainly helps me since i'm in a tight budget and i want to get something that is good for both worlds...

and lastly i waited for this reciever (since it wasn't available then) and auditoned (i needed to convince myself)

my patience also has rewarded me and now im one happy owner of HK... ;D of course you need to pair it also with a good speaker... although budget will also play a key role for decision making... hehehe

Now my music preference has expanded (appreciate jazz, lovesongs and other types of music) and i really enjoy watching movies more...

one of the best upgrade that i did...  ;D

power for the digital revolution

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 10, 2003 at 01:15 AM
sir james16,
     talaga bang stiff ang bass ng B4 pag bago? yun kasi ang first impression ko nung ma test ko dito sa bahay naka stereo mode (flat bass/treble)  then naka off ang sub at naka large ang front. is it normal? can i have the link on how to break in a speaker kung anong cd test ang gagamitin and how long to do it? although yung mid ang high nya sir ay solve agad ako napaka silk at ang linaw ng highs and mids nya, sa bass lang ako medyo bitin medyo matigas, anyone here B4 owner guys na experience nyo ba nung bago B4 nyo eh matigas ba ang bass nya? pls help naman kung pano, di kaya bitin ang power ng receiver ko? thats 1803? thanks for any comment..
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Post by: raycor on Nov 10, 2003 at 02:11 AM
congrats.... sayang sana nakasama ka kahpon kina akyat...

well, yung 1803 ay 6.1 na unlike yung 5500 7.1 ready lang sya, you have to connect another amp para maging 7.1...

may i suggest you take into consideration the 4550 dahil 71. na sya.... but still audition para marining mo kung dapat ka pa mag-upgrade or not... enjoy...

sayang nga sir sana one day maka join naman ako sa inyo mga guys hirap kasi di ako nagtatagal dyan sa manila, la union po ako sir. btw, ok lang sir mas prefer ko nga ang 5.1 kasi di pwede sa place ko ang 7.1 saka im wondering lang na baka mas malakas ang 5500 kaysa sa 1803 ko para lumabas ang ganda ng tunog ng B4. sabi kasi sa store na power hungry daw ito mas lalabas ang tunog pag high current amp, what do you think sir? matigas kasi bass nya sa 1803 ko, ko baka break in lang problema?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 10, 2003 at 09:32 AM
ayos na ayos yang B4 mo... nakakapag-isip tuloy ah...  ::)
cge, walang problema sa pagkopya ng cd... ganda din sir yung mga cds mo...

sayang nga at walang nakapagdala ng hk, maybe next time sir...
marinig nila ang HK/MA combo...

oo nga kakaingit mga CD nyo pakopya rin ako pwede........................... sana sa susunod may magdala HK kaya di kaya napagalitan si AKYAT ang lakas pala nang sound hehehe. SIr akyat sasusunod uli wag ka sana madadadala ......ok yong gear mo kaya binagyo din tayo kahapon nakisama di halata kahit maingay ;D ;D
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Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 10, 2003 at 01:15 PM
sayang nga sir sana one day maka join naman ako sa inyo mga guys hirap kasi di ako nagtatagal dyan sa manila, la union po ako sir. btw, ok lang sir mas prefer ko nga ang 5.1 kasi di pwede sa place ko ang 7.1 saka im wondering lang na baka mas malakas ang 5500 kaysa sa 1803 ko para lumabas ang ganda ng tunog ng B4. sabi kasi sa store na power hungry daw ito mas lalabas ang tunog pag high current amp, what do you think sir? matigas kasi bass nya sa 1803 ko, ko baka break in lang problema?

sir Raycor most of Hk are high current amp and continous power not like yong iba kaya cguro kahit anong speaker ang combo kaya nya.......regarding sa breakin try mo pagtapatin then reverse one polarity of the speaker terminal kumbaga one ++ and - - and the other + - ...para lalabas push pull ...regarding what music mas maganda yong medyo mabass para lumambot agad yong rubber nang speaker minimum hour nang breakin cguro 60hr.....congrat pala PATIENCE lang ganyan din naexperience ko with my B2
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 10, 2003 at 01:50 PM
Raycor,

Have B4 also sir and i share your sentiments but after break in yan ibang iba na sound sir... you can ask the guys who were there last Saturday at Sir Akyats place... sila ang witness ko dun hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Nov 10, 2003 at 05:18 PM
B4... i like!!  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 10, 2003 at 05:39 PM
to sir j_albert,
    sige sir gawin ko yang push ull na sinabi mo pag uwi ko. mas mabilis yata pag ganyan ang method of break in. thanks again for the help sir.. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 10, 2003 at 05:45 PM
Raycor,

Have B4 also sir and i share your sentiments but after break in yan ibang iba na sound sir... you can ask the guys who were there last Saturday at Sir Akyats place... sila ang witness ko dun hehehehe

sayang sir at sana taga dyan an lang ako para ma witness ko lahat ng set up mo. hirap ng SARS dito ang layo but anyway araw arawin ko pag break i ng B4 para ma achieve ko kagandahan ng B4.. thanks for the sentiments.. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 10, 2003 at 06:21 PM
Raycor,

Just do J_albert's advice on break in and mas mabilis result talaga pre.. FAce to face!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 10, 2003 at 10:31 PM
sayang nga sir sana one day maka join naman ako sa inyo mga guys hirap kasi di ako nagtatagal dyan sa manila, la union po ako sir. btw, ok lang sir mas prefer ko nga ang 5.1 kasi di pwede sa place ko ang 7.1 saka im wondering lang na baka mas malakas ang 5500 kaysa sa 1803 ko para lumabas ang ganda ng tunog ng B4. sabi kasi sa store na power hungry daw ito mas lalabas ang tunog pag high current amp, what do you think sir? matigas kasi bass nya sa 1803 ko, ko baka break in lang problema?

ang layo mo pala pero sana next time makasama ka....
regarding 5500 at B4 ayos na ayos yan.... HK/MA ganda combo yan... proven na... ask sir hans adrienne...

and like everyone said, Patience lang... ang alam ko break-in period ng MA speakers is about 100 hrs pa... pero your wait and sacrifices will be worthwhile... believe me... matagal pa bago ka tamaan ng SARS sa speakers mo...
 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 11, 2003 at 12:40 AM
Raycor,

Just do J_albert's advice on break in and mas mabilis result talaga pre.. FAce to face!!

sir, kung mas mabilis, how many hours na lang? according to B4's manual ay 60hrs min, so kung face to face less 50 hrs na lang? sana lumambot na bass nya :) :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 11, 2003 at 12:59 AM
ang layo mo pala pero sana next time makasama ka....
regarding 5500 at B4 ayos na ayos yan.... HK/MA ganda combo yan... proven na... ask sir hans adrienne...

and like everyone said, Patience lang... ang alam ko break-in period ng MA speakers is about 100 hrs pa... pero your wait and sacrifices will be worthwhile... believe me... matagal pa bago ka tamaan ng SARS sa speakers mo...
 

yes sir layo nga dito hirap magka SARS ng ganito. almost one year na akong nag kakaSARS, eto na naman at nag iisip magpalit ng receiver to match the B4 to HK, i think mas malakas nga ang 5500 sa 1803, compare na lang yung weight nya e ang bigat ng 5500,and mas huge yung transformer ng 5500 than 1803 so i guess high current nga ang HK than 1803 correct me if im wrong,but i need to hear them first before upgrading.  i really hope ma break in na ng husto B4 para gumaling na SARS ko, sa receiver na lang hehe ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 11, 2003 at 01:26 AM
sir Raycor most of Hk are high current amp and continous power not like yong iba kaya cguro kahit anong speaker ang combo kaya nya.......regarding sa breakin try mo pagtapatin then reverse one polarity of the speaker terminal kumbaga one ++ and - - and the other + - ...para lalabas push pull ...regarding what music mas maganda yong medyo mabass para lumambot agad yong rubber nang speaker minimum hour nang breakin cguro 60hr.....congrat pala PATIENCE lang ganyan din naexperience ko with my B2

sir, sensya na just wana clear lang the reverse polarity that you said, pano po ba? yung usual na connection ko e rereverse ko lang ba? will i remove the two jumpers in the +- HF/LF? pwede po ba yun lang LF ang e break in ko kasi yun ang stiff ang bass nya?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 11, 2003 at 07:46 AM
i suggest wag mo nang tagalin yung jumper coz even HF need to breakin and the connection, you can reverse the polarity of one channel example connect  the positive terminal from the reciever to the negative of of the speaker terminal ...... then gradually increase the vuolume from time to time ........... that all sana ma get mo  :D :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 11, 2003 at 11:19 AM
sir, sensya na just wana clear lang the reverse polarity that you said, pano po ba? yung usual na connection ko e rereverse ko lang ba? will i remove the two jumpers in the +- HF/LF? pwede po ba yun lang LF ang e break in ko kasi yun ang stiff ang bass nya?

i got this from the MA website, hope this helps...

What is the best way to run in speakers?

If you are very anxious to hear your MA speakers at their best, then I would suggest running them face to face so they are more or less touching and wiring one of them out of phase. (Connect the negative to positive and positive to negative. Do this on one speaker only.) You can then run them at an average listening level and you will hardly be able to hear anything. They can then be run constantly for four or five days

(yung sa speaker side lang ang out of phase, wag mo baguhin yung connection mo sa receiver ok)
(pagdikitin mo sila na magkatapat tapos do it at moderate to high volume)
(gawin mo yun sa stasyon na walang clear signal, pink noise, para mas madali)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 11, 2003 at 12:34 PM
anyone here using a hk dvd21 or dvd25? ok ba for music? how much?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 11, 2003 at 12:49 PM
PInsan skeeter,

Maganda yan DVD21 and DVD25.. SARS ulit??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 11, 2003 at 01:03 PM
anyone here using a hk dvd21 or dvd25? ok ba for music? how much?

naku... ayos yan...

narinign ko yan nung gamit ni obet mf nya with b4 tapos yun ang ginamit na cd player (dvd25)...

like my previous post, its a match made in heaven talaga!!!! ;D

kaya mag-iipon ako para jan eh...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 11, 2003 at 01:08 PM
pre hans,

nah. just checked out prices for the hk dvd21. its around $299 (P16,000). too expensive na for a dvd player. just want to improve my audio listening experience sana. medyo bitin ksi ako playing cds out of my xenon dvd player. any suggestions?
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Post by: H a n $ on Nov 11, 2003 at 01:20 PM
Cousin skeeter,

Cd player sir ang solution mo sir... kung nasa manila ka pwede option is surplus cd player or mas ok yun pre-owned..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 11, 2003 at 01:25 PM
hans,

good idea pre. ill check out our surplus shops here. any brands i should be looking for?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 11, 2003 at 01:53 PM
pre hans,

nah. just checked out prices for the hk dvd21. its around $299 (P16,000). too expensive na for a dvd player. just want to improve my audio listening experience sana. medyo bitin ksi ako playing cds out of my xenon dvd player. any suggestions?

mahal nga yan... kasi alam ko mga 13k or lower dto yan satin eh..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 11, 2003 at 05:49 PM
i suggest wag mo nang tagalin yung jumper coz even HF need to breakin and the connection, you can reverse the polarity of one channel example connect  the positive terminal from the reciever to the negative of of the speaker terminal ...... then gradually increase the vuolume from time to time ........... that all sana ma get mo  :D :D :D

ya ok sir, clear na po. ganon lang pala hehe.. salamat sa tulong ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 11, 2003 at 06:06 PM
i got this from the MA website, hope this helps...

What is the best way to run in speakers?

If you are very anxious to hear your MA speakers at their best, then I would suggest running them face to face so they are more or less touching and wiring one of them out of phase. (Connect the negative to positive and positive to negative. Do this on one speaker only.) You can then run them at an average listening level and you will hardly be able to hear anything. They can then be run constantly for four or five days

(yung sa speaker side lang ang out of phase, wag mo baguhin yung connection mo sa receiver ok)
(pagdikitin mo sila na magkatapat tapos do it at moderate to high volume)
(gawin mo yun sa stasyon na walang clear signal, pink noise, para mas madali)

sir, question po ulit, do i need to remove the two grills of the speakers? after five days, will i reverse the other channel? thanks again for helping.. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 12, 2003 at 09:08 AM
sir, question po ulit, do i need to remove the two grills of the speakers? after five days, will i reverse the other channel? thanks again for helping.. ;D

sori, at ngayon ko lang nasagot ito... mas-ok sana kung tanggalin yung grilles, kung matotolerate mo yung sound... dun sa isang question mo, nde na kelangan ireverse... but i advised na imbes na 5 days, make it 7 days... unang mabebreak-in kasi dayn yung woofer bago yung tweeter..
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Post by: james16 on Nov 12, 2003 at 09:14 AM
very soon guys, madadagdagan ang HK/MA Club... ;D

si MK, naku baka mabago na handle nya... hehehe

malupit sub nyo!!! tapos fronts nyo pa.... ;D

sir hans adrienne, magiging similar sya sa set-up nyo... ang galing!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Nov 12, 2003 at 11:04 AM
wows velodyne+HK5500+B4.. dream setup ko na to.. dagdagan pa natin ng DVD25 para talagang malupit na..  ;D  ;D  congrats on your setup mk..  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 12, 2003 at 12:01 PM
wows velodyne+HK5500+B4.. dream setup ko na to.. dagdagan pa natin ng DVD25 para talagang malupit na..  ;D  ;D  congrats on your setup mk..  ;)

e di mag upgrade na hehehe mayaman ka naman e . ;D ;D ;D sama ka ba kina superman?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Nov 12, 2003 at 01:32 PM
e di mag upgrade na hehehe mayaman ka naman e . ;D ;D ;D sama ka ba kina superman?

ot.. pre ala pang pambili e.. hehehe kaw diba bibili ka nung dvd25.. yung kina superman.. d pa ako cgurado e.. kasi saturday and gabi pa.. walang pasok.. mahirap mag-justify ke esmi kung bat ako aalis ng gabi ng saturday and uwi ng umaga na..  ;D  ;D  pero syempre pipilitin ko..  ;) ako ata ang lalaki.. sana pumayag  :-[
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 12, 2003 at 02:11 PM
James,

Si MK na idol natin hehehehe HK5500+B4 + velo sub + dvd 25 este yun latest pla.. hehehehe 8)

dapat pre handle nya Ma-Idol-HK.. ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 12, 2003 at 02:16 PM
James,

Si MK na idol natin hehehehe HK5500+B4 + velo sub + dvd 25 este yun latest pla.. hehehehe 8)

dapat pre handle nya Ma-Idol-HK.. ;D ;D


korek ka dyan, bagong idolo ng bayan!!!! heheheh
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Post by: H a n $ on Nov 12, 2003 at 03:23 PM
cousin skeeter,

Quote
hans,

good idea pre. ill check out our surplus shops here. any brands i should be looking for?
Quote


Denon, onkyo yun may digital like coax mas ok yun sir..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 13, 2003 at 12:42 AM
sori, at ngayon ko lang nasagot ito... mas-ok sana kung tanggalin yung grilles, kung matotolerate mo yung sound... dun sa isang question mo, nde na kelangan ireverse... but i advised na imbes na 5 days, make it 7 days... unang mabebreak-in kasi dayn yung woofer bago yung tweeter..

meaning po ba ng out of phase eh hindi magbubump yung cone ng two woofers face to face during strong excursion? i heared something distortion kasi pag medyo malakas yung bass nya. parang nagbubungguan yung cone. sir, ano pong level ng volume? set my receiver to 0dB both left and right, how about the main volume? and lastly, during break in, sa stereo mode po ba naka set or sa tone defeat mode? kung sa stereo mode, is it ok to adjust the bass/treble to +6 to +12dB? thanks again for some help... :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 13, 2003 at 08:34 AM
Raycor,

Pre procedure on face to face break in.. take off the grill (cover) tapos position the Left and right speaker face to face with a clearance of 1mm to 2mm BASTA NOT TOUCHING then one speaker connect the positive speaker wire to the negative terminal of your speaker to make it out of phase.. tapos yun another speaker just connect it ++ and - - .. dun sa receiver mo as is lang so speaker lang may change.. yun tone control bass 3 o'clock, treble 3 o'clock position. volume level should be around moderate like when your talking to someone nagkarinigan kayo so ganun lang loudness mo.. then play any CD yun Disco or if you have test cd ok din.. duration it depend on you pre pwede 8 hours straight 3x a week hehehehe..   ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 13, 2003 at 10:10 AM
raycor,

try playing fm radio music, but set it to MONO (check hk manual). if my understanding of the break-in method is correct, for it to be truly effective, both speakers should be producing exactly the same sound but 180 degress out of phase (one speaker cable reversed) . the speakers would then be "pushing and pulling" at the same time. try shifting between stereo and mono while the speakers are facing each other and you'll notice that in mono, the speakers almost cancel each other out and youll be hearing a squeaky, hollow sound. thats what i'm doing right now. peeps, correct me if im wrong.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: raycor on Nov 13, 2003 at 04:26 PM
to cousin skeeter and hans adriane,
     thank you so much guys for helping, i know now what to do, hirap talaga ng walang knowlegde sa speakers lalo na dito sa place namin kontento na sa mini compo..im just doing it for 7hrs wheww... tagal pa. i miss the normal operation of those speakers. ty po ulit.. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 14, 2003 at 07:52 AM
ganyan talaga  MA pero habang tumatagal lalo gumaganda WAG KANG MAIINIP........ ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 14, 2003 at 08:30 AM
Raycor,

Pre mas ok kung 7 days straight hehehe siguro yan.. ibang iba ang B4 mo after the 7 days hehehe parang commercial ng shampoo..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 14, 2003 at 08:45 AM
Raycor,

Pre mas ok kung 7 days straight hehehe siguro yan.. ibang iba ang B4 mo after the 7 days hehehe parang commercial ng shampoo..

ok ah, isang araw lang ako di nakacheck sa pinoydvd, haba na ng thread natin... ;D

well raycor, tama si hans adrienne at cousin skeeter...

at like what j_albert22 said "ganyan talaga  MA pero habang tumatagal lalo gumaganda WAG KANG MAIINIP........ "
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 14, 2003 at 09:37 AM
i just realized may downside din pala having the hk/ma combo . . .

. . . palagi ako late sa ofis ngayon   ;D :( ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 14, 2003 at 10:07 AM
i just realized may downside din pala having the hk/ma combo . . .

. . . palagi ako late sa ofis ngayon   ;D :( ;D

hehehe... korek ka jan, i can relate...  ;D

minsan, parang ayaw mo umalis sa bahay...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 14, 2003 at 10:23 AM
Cousin skeeter,

Pre dare.. walang gagamit ng HK/MA sa bahay 1 week hehehehe..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 14, 2003 at 10:25 AM
Cousin skeeter,

Pre dare.. walang gagamit ng HK/MA sa bahay 1 week hehehehe..

sige kayo... lalo tatagal yan bago ma break-in  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 14, 2003 at 10:33 AM
Cousin skeeter,

Pre dare.. walang gagamit ng HK/MA sa bahay 1 week hehehehe..

nooooooooooo!!  enjoy na ako ngayon since theyre sounding great na. am not sure if theyre fully broken in yet though. i was playing yanni before i left the house and i kept saying myself "last track na then alis na ako". i ended up finishing the whole cd and arrived late again. you know what, come to think of it, ive not watched a movie since i got em b2s. music lang lahat  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 14, 2003 at 10:37 AM
Iceman,

Oo nga no sir... how about i face to face break in one week..




tapos sa weekend di ganda ganda ganda na!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 14, 2003 at 10:54 AM
nooooooooooo!!  enjoy na ako ngayon since theyre sounding great na. am not sure if theyre fully broken in yet though. i was playing yanni before i left the house and i kept saying myself "last track na then alis na ako". i ended up finishing the whole cd and arrived late again. you know what, come to think of it, ive not watched a movie since i got em b2s. music lang lahat  ;D ;D ;D

naku, mas maganda lalo yan sa amp ni akyatbundok, mf ni narayan at mga tube amps.... cgurado yan... heheheh
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 14, 2003 at 11:32 AM
good thing na test nyo ang sansui with ma kina akyatbundok. at least alam ko na ngayon which surplus amps to watch for, hehehe.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 14, 2003 at 12:18 PM
Cousin skeeter,

Pre dare.. walang gagamit ng HK/MA sa bahay 1 week hehehehe..

cge nga kung makatiis ka................pwede wag gamit pero wag ka din uwi bhay............lagot ka naman misis hehehehhe ;D ;D ;D oppppppppsss     ot
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 14, 2003 at 02:05 PM
tanong ko lang guys, kung ano ba ibig sabihin kapag idle yung HK... naka-standby mode ba yun???  ???
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Nov 14, 2003 at 02:27 PM
James,

Si MK na idol natin hehehehe HK5500+B4 + velo sub + dvd 25 este yun latest pla.. hehehehe 8)

dapat pre handle nya Ma-Idol-HK.. ;D ;D

hans,

Ikaw nga idol ko eh, matagal pa yan dvd25, mahaha lata nako ni esmi nyan hehehe...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: toshiba on Nov 14, 2003 at 02:58 PM
tanong ko lang guys, kung ano ba ibig sabihin kapag idle yung HK... naka-standby mode ba yun???  ???

hi james, naka on pero di ka nag p-play ng source.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 14, 2003 at 03:33 PM
hi james, naka on pero di ka nag p-play ng source.  :)

ic, ok thanks a lot....  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 15, 2003 at 10:10 AM
James,

Ok lang idle yan... 67 watts na ata kain nyang hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: alita on Nov 18, 2003 at 04:50 PM
I was told by the HK distributor in Singapore that they just recently released the AVR507 & AVR505 Limited Editions in Asia. It looks like an in-between model to satisfy the Asian market till the new HK's come around (which i'm told wont be till March/April 2004). Are these models out yet in the local market yet? prices?

The specs are up on the HK international website (http://international.harmankardon.com/products)

any comments on these models?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: alita on Nov 18, 2003 at 04:53 PM
out of curiosity, whats the difference between a 50W-35amp receiver (AVR230) and a 60W-30amp receiver (AVR3550)? Basically one has more watts but the other has more amps. Can someone enlighten me ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 18, 2003 at 05:15 PM
I have seen AVR 507 on the net when i was scouting for the receiver i have to buy. This has a great appearance....Ika nga eh! Mr. Swabe!!! 8) 8) 8)Feature wise 7Ch amp (50W/ch) na sya....Aside from that, basic features you can have on it.... :D :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 19, 2003 at 12:17 AM
James,

Ok lang idle yan... 67 watts na ata kain nyang hehehehe

mahirap na at tataas pa kuryente namin... yari ako sa parents ko nito... heheheheh
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nebula on Nov 19, 2003 at 10:54 AM
had my loving hk checked, since i experienced a massive power disaster at home. great service provided by servimax (gilmore, qc). thanks alot everyone of servimax! great service in the phils is a rarity.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 19, 2003 at 04:41 PM
had my loving hk checked, since i experienced a massive power disaster at home. great service provided by servimax (gilmore, qc). thanks alot everyone of servimax! great service in the phils is a rarity.

its nice to hear that we have a competent HK service center here. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpOy on Nov 19, 2003 at 11:32 PM
mga sirs magkano ang hk2550


how about the hk1550, hk2500?

meron ba dito nito and how much???

thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 20, 2003 at 08:08 AM
mga sirs magkano ang hk2550


how about the hk1550, hk2500?

meron ba dito nito and how much???

thanks

you may contact architectural audio at 811-6715 and look for nico or epoy.

or at spectra at 818-5493 look for jim
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 20, 2003 at 08:32 AM
Kimpoy,

HK 2550 and 1550 I think are available but not sure with 2500..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpOy on Nov 20, 2003 at 08:50 AM
any comments, review, suggestion on the HK1550?

and also bakit mababa ang wattage ng mga HKs?

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 20, 2003 at 08:55 AM
any comments, review, suggestion on the HK1550?

and also bakit mababa ang wattage ng mga HKs?



here's a link na makakatulong sa mga katanungan mo.  ;D

http://international.harmankardon.com/international/default.asp?language=ENGLISH

ang alam ko sa 1550, walang V-Max at Logic 7 (exclusive dsp mode of HK)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 20, 2003 at 09:58 AM
Kimpoy,

Don't be deceive by HK's low wattage... hehehehe you can compare a HK 45 watts to a 80 to 100 watts per AVR you like hehehe..  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpOy on Nov 20, 2003 at 01:34 PM
ok ok ok, may nagsabi nga na kahit low wattage hks " will blow me away" daw

teka lang what's Logic 7? and V-max
eto ba'y yung jazz/hall/ ng ibang receivers?
anyways im downloading the owner's manual,

for purpose of movies (60-70%)and listening to CDs (40-30%)lang naman
the room is 8x5 sq meters, windows on two walls
pede na kaya etong 1550?

last Q's(sana)
1.based on your experience,  what enty level speakers are good with the 1550?
heard that the Dai-ichis are performing well or at par with  wharfs
2. is it true na madaling uminit ang HKs dahil high current?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 20, 2003 at 02:11 PM
ok ok ok, may nagsabi nga na kahit low wattage hks " will blow me away" daw

teka lang what's Logic 7? and V-max
eto ba'y yung jazz/hall/ ng ibang receivers?

for purpose of movies (60-70%)and listening to CDs (40-30%)lang naman
the room is 8x5 sq meters, windows on two walls
anyways im downloading the owner's manual,

last Q's(sana)
1.based on your experience,  what enty level speakers are good with the 1550?
heard that the Dai-ichis are performing well or at par with  wharfs
2. is it true na madaling uminit ang HKs dahil high current?

yup, yung logic 7 at v-max are dsp modes, pero exclusive lang sila sa harman kardon receivers. yung logic 7 is similar sa pro logic 2/dts neo but IMHO much better. while yung v-max mode ay useful kapg 2 speaker set-up ka tapos gagawin nyang parang 3 channel (yung cent naka-matrix/phantom)

1. i think wharfdales are pretty good, but if you can stretch your budget at iwas ng upgrade, go for monitor audio speakers. para sakin, can't go wrong with a HK/MA combo...

2. sa experience ko naman sa hk ko (3550), nung 8 ohms speakers ang nakakabit di sya gaano umiinit. pero nung nagpalit ako to 6 ohms speakers, dun medyo uminit.

normal lang naman uminit ang receivers.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpOy on Nov 20, 2003 at 02:34 PM
thanks james,
gusto ko sana floorstanders, bookshelves pa lang ng MA medyo out of budget na.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 20, 2003 at 03:18 PM
thanks james,
gusto ko sana floorstanders, bookshelves pa lang ng MA medyo out of budget na.



no problem, try cguro yung wharfdales. can't comment how they sound kasi di ako nagkaron nyan dati eh.

you may ask slayer or hans adriene coz they have or use to have these speakers connected to a hk receiver.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 20, 2003 at 03:21 PM
Kimpoy,

Better go Hk2550 and consider Wharf 8.3 or 8.4... Very good combo HK and wharf.. Music wise no problem lalo na HT hehheehe..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpOy on Nov 20, 2003 at 03:46 PM
thanks hans,
WD8.4, 8C are  frontrunners on my choices

case is im on a TIGHT budget, that's why im getting fronts first (or with center) along with the receiver.

what are the diffs between the 1550/2550 except ofcourse for the obvious Logic7 and Vmax?

if the 1550 sounds the same or almost the same as the 2550 then it's my winner, i will just plug in my DVD player nothing more.

thanks a bunch guys, keep em coming.

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 20, 2003 at 04:09 PM
thanks hans,
WD8.4, 8C are  frontrunners on my choices

case is im on a TIGHT budget, that's why im getting fronts first (or with center) along with the receiver.

what are the diffs between the 1550/2550 except ofcourse for the obvious Logic7 and Vmax?

if the 1550 sounds the same or almost the same as the 2550 then it's my winner, i will just plug in my DVD player nothing more.

thanks a bunch guys, keep em coming.



cguro para sakin, gusto ko din porma ng 2550 compared sa 1550... ;D tapos maraming magandang reviews yan.

i don't know but the sound ng 1550 kung similar sila. baka lang mas malalaksan mo yung 2550 compared to the former.

tapos nakuha ko sa website :

AVR 2550
Audio/Video Receiver with Dolby® Digital and DTS®

Redefining Dolby Digital/DTS Receiver value. In addition to Dolby® Digital, Dolby Pro Logic® II and DTS® surround decoding, this AVR 2550 has Harman Kardon's exclusive Logic 7® and VMAx® decoding. The AVR 2550's output power of 40 watts per channel in surround mode backed up by a high-current capability of ±25 amps can make your living room sound and feel just like a movie theater. For analog fans, an all-new Stereo bypass mode uses a fully analog path from source to output stage that preserves all of the subtleties of the original recording. And setup is simpler than ever with color-coded rear-panel connections that conform to the new CEA standard. The AVR 2550 - classic Harman Kardon performance in an affordable, feature-filled package.



 
Title: 2550 with Front inputs
Post by: [slayer] on Nov 20, 2003 at 04:21 PM
I was at Parksquare 1 last night to buy a AKG K-55 sa 5th ave.  While walking towards 5th Ave... I looked at spectra's show window and saw a HK 2550 with Inputs on the front.  :o

Is this a new model?
Title: Re:2550 with Front inputs
Post by: james16 on Nov 20, 2003 at 04:32 PM
I was at Parksquare 1 last night to buy a AKG K-55 sa 5th ave.  While walking towards 5th Ave... I looked at spectra's show window and saw a HK 2550 with Inputs on the front.  :o

Is this a new model?

di ko sure pero sabi sakin ni jim dati, may lumabas na 3550 na may front panel inputs din.
Title: Re:2550 with Front inputs
Post by: sebman on Nov 20, 2003 at 04:36 PM
di ko sure pero sabi sakin ni jim dati, may lumabas na 3550 na may front panel inputs din.

ot.. james16 yung 3550 ko me front panel inputs.. yung sa yo wala? yun ata lang ang kaibahan ng 2550 and 3550 aside from more power,EZSet and OSD e.. mas maraming inputs yung 3550 nung bili ako dati..  ;D gulat nga rin ako nung nakita ko yung 2550 sa spectra e.. kala ko 3550 e.. hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpOy on Nov 20, 2003 at 04:43 PM
Quote
tapos nakuha ko sa website :
AVR 2550
Audio/Video Receiver with Dolby® Digital and DTS®

Redefining Dolby Digital/DTS Receiver value. In addition to Dolby® Digital, Dolby Pro Logic® II and DTS® surround decoding, this AVR 2550 has Harman Kardon's exclusive Logic 7® and VMAx® decoding. The AVR 2550's output power of 40 watts per channel in surround mode backed up by a high-current capability of ±25 amps can make your living room sound and feel just like a movie theater. For analog fans, an all-new Stereo bypass mode uses a fully analog path from source to output stage that preserves all of the subtleties of the original recording. And setup is simpler than ever with color-coded rear-panel connections that conform to the new CEA standard. The AVR 2550 - classic Harman Kardon performance in an affordable, feature-filled package.

eto naman yung sa 1550

AVR 1550
Audio/Video receiver with Dolby Digital and DTS

Classic Harman Kardon performance in its most simplified form. Eliminating all convenience features, focusing only on real power and sonic performance the Harman Kardon AVR 1550 delivers ±25 amps high current capability and 40 watts of output power per channel in surround mode and 50 watts in stereo mode. Based on the Crystal 49326 DSP engine the Harman Kardon AVR 1550 handles Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro Logic II and DTS accurately and powerful. It is easy to connect and control by using the new CEA standard color-coded rear-panel connections and an intelligent system remote control. The AVR 1550 - the ideal centerpiece of your complete surround sound system.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 20, 2003 at 04:53 PM
kimpoy,

yup, di ko lang naikabit.... ;D

my suggestion is that you audition and try to hear if there are any sonic difference between the two.  ;D

happy auditioning... ;D

sebman,

yung 3550 ko walang front channel-inputs... wahhhh
:-[ :-\ :'(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 20, 2003 at 05:21 PM
James16,

Ok lng yun nauna ka naman nagkaroon ng hk receiver.... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 20, 2003 at 11:09 PM
James16,

Ok lng yun nauna ka naman nagkaroon ng hk receiver.... ;D ;D ;D

korek ka jan, at importante masaya naman ako sa 3550 ko... ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpOy on Nov 21, 2003 at 07:57 AM
yup james ganun na nga lang,

3T din ang difference nila, pandagdag din sa speakers di ba,

teaka magkano ba floorstanders ng monitor audio?
B6 ba yun?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Nov 21, 2003 at 08:03 AM
yup james ganun na nga lang,

3T din ang difference nila, pandagdag din sa speakers di ba,

teaka magkano ba floorstanders ng monitor audio?
B6 ba yun?

B4 floorstander na monitor audio ang available locallly.. 21,200 po yung cash price nya...  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 21, 2003 at 10:44 AM
Kimpoy,

audition audition hehehehehe...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpOy on Nov 21, 2003 at 01:23 PM
Hans, oo nga can't wait to go to metro manila
(taga pampanga ako eh) to audition..
teka paano nga ba mag audition???

wala bang tips?

waht DVDs to bring kasi medyo memorize ko na sound ng Matrix's Shooting at the lobby.
saka Eagles Hell Freezes Over
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 21, 2003 at 01:29 PM
Hans, oo nga can't wait to go to metro manila
(taga pampanga ako eh) to audition..
teka paano nga ba mag audition???

wala bang tips?

waht DVDs to bring kasi medyo memorize ko na sound ng Matrix's Shooting at the lobby.
saka Eagles Hell Freezes Over

just test whatever dvds/vcds and cds that you are familiar with. kung ok yung sound, you may also try the different dsp modes like pro logic 2 and logic 7 (take note, this work only on 2 channel source like cds or vcds/ocassionaly selected dvds)

matching of ht equipment is very important also.

consider also warranty and the avalability of service centers.

happy auditioning>>> ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpOy on Nov 21, 2003 at 02:05 PM
Quote
logic 7 (take note, this work only on 2 channel source like cds or vcds/ocassionaly selected dvds)

hmmm in that case medyo lumamang yung 1550
i just want pure, warm sound

anyways, im ALMOST sold to the HKs

also, been hearing that Dai-ichi/US Audio/DTX9.5
can perform at par with wharfedales,  DTX is listed 91db on sensitivity, (naks dami ko ng alam) while 87db lang ang wharf8.4
that said receiver works double time to power lower sensitivity di ba?
also compare to Wharf price dirt cheap ang DTX, 3,8k yata pair,

has anyone tried this combination.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 21, 2003 at 02:37 PM
hmmm in that case medyo lumamang yung 1550
i just want pure, warm sound

anyways, im ALMOST sold to the HKs

also, been hearing that Dai-ichi/US Audio/DTX9.5
can perform at par with wharfedales,  DTX is listed 91db on sensitivity, (naks dami ko ng alam) while 87db lang ang wharf8.4
that said receiver works double time to power lower sensitivity di ba?
also compare to Wharf price dirt cheap ang DTX, 3,8k yata pair,

has anyone tried this combination.

not yet tried, but if you have a chance to audition them with whatever receiver your choosing, do it. that's the sure way to know if those speakers truly matches with a hk receiver.

note: dapat kung naka-set ka na sa isang receiver at pipili ka ng mga speakers... yung spkr lang ang papalit-palit, use the same dvd player, cable/interconnects and receiver. coz different combo while auditioning will also sound different.

forgot to mention : consider room acoustics
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 21, 2003 at 02:59 PM
hmmm in that case medyo lumamang yung 1550
i just want pure, warm sound

anyways, im ALMOST sold to the HKs

also, been hearing that Dai-ichi/US Audio/DTX9.5
can perform at par with wharfedales,  DTX is listed 91db on sensitivity, (naks dami ko ng alam) while 87db lang ang wharf8.4
that said receiver works double time to power lower sensitivity di ba?
also compare to Wharf price dirt cheap ang DTX, 3,8k yata pair,

has anyone tried this combination.

technically: the specs for the output capabilities of the 2550 and 1550 are the same. The difference is that the 2550 have more features (eg: Logic 7 which is proprietary to HK)
which is why the 2550 is more expensive. If you can find a 1550 and really don't think the added features are necessary then you will not be missing anything by not buying the 2550  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nebula on Nov 21, 2003 at 03:20 PM
kimpoy,
for me, u got to get hk with logic7. else u might as well get any other avr out der. logic7 rocks. i only use dolby digital, dts, & logic7. i  really dont know why the hk engineers even bothered with dolby ii.
with hk's thd of <.07%, parang yung commercial noon, buhay na buhay ...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpOy on Nov 21, 2003 at 04:09 PM
nebs, pardon my igmoranus mind pero ano yung hk's <.7 thd?

so parang PROLOGIC II yung Logic7, pero up to 7 channels yung Logic7 hmmm interesting...

 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 21, 2003 at 04:18 PM
nebs, pardon my igmoranus mind pero ano yung hk's <.7 thd?

so parang PROLOGIC II yung Logic7, pero up to 7 channels yung Logic7 hmmm interesting...

 

hindi rin eh, kasi may pro-logic 2 (movies & music) din ang hk 2550 aside from the Logic 7 (movies & music mode)

iba talaga...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 21, 2003 at 04:26 PM
Kimpoy,


Pre even at 86db or 87db sensitivity as long as high current amp mo wlang problema.. and go for the BEST SOUNDING speaker your money can buy.. wag padadala dahil cheaper sya sir hehehe ikaw makikinig hindi kami :D :D...Logic7 same as prologic II pwede 5 to 7channel depends on your amp..

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 21, 2003 at 04:36 PM
pre kimpoy,

for me the best aspect of the hk that sold me to it is its instantaneous high current capacity. it can shell out amps like hell. the 25amps max rating for the 2550 would already trip some circuit breakers. kaya nga the manual instructs you not to use an extension cord with it. try auditioning it side by side other receivers using the same speakers and try increasing the bass and youll feel the impact, like someones hitting you on the chest. instantaneous kasi eh. i did that, comparing onkyo, denon and hk. i cant feel the power with the other two. although they can go very loud as well, they just cant deliver the "punch" (thats the nearest term i can think of  ;D). with the hk being a powerful amp and the monitor audios having that "in your face, no-nonsense" sound, it was just perfect for me. pero audition pa rin pre, baka hindi mo type ang ooomph sound nya and would rather have mellower music :) :) :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Nov 21, 2003 at 04:50 PM
additional note. when i got my hk, my friend and i tested it against his pioneer 100wpc integrated stereo amp. same result. he concurred that the hk was better, both in sound quality and power, especially when delivering power to the lower frequencies. although the numbers didnt add up (pioneer 100wpc, hk 55wpc only) our ears thought otherwise. actually he told me he misses the hk sound coz i let him borrow it for several days after that ;)

peeps, just looked at the 1550 at their international site and noticed that it doesnt have bass and treble controls. pre kimpoy, better go 2550 na lang. ull be missing a lot if you cant control the treble and bass :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 21, 2003 at 04:58 PM
HK/MA All the way!!!! ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 21, 2003 at 05:18 PM
James,

Bukas na pala yun listening session... already text roger so 7pm kitakits sir.. :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpOy on Nov 22, 2003 at 08:17 AM
thanks cuz for the review,
pwede bang pa post ng setup ninyo guys?

magkano ba entry level ng monitor audio, pero gusto ko talaga floorstanders as my fronts eh,
magkano rin mission?

my new plan is to get fronts na lang muna, saka na yun iba di ba better play it slowly but surely.
again thanks guys,
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 22, 2003 at 09:43 AM
Kimpoy,

Naka post na ata sa kabila yun setup... as for your fronts pwede rin bookshelf tapos pagupgrade mo floorstander naman..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpOy on Nov 22, 2003 at 04:17 PM
HK2550+Wharfs

ano ok na budget subwoofer dito?
how much?

thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 23, 2003 at 04:26 PM
Kimpoy,

Hk/wharf for sub pwede DTX, DQ12, US audio and Custom made sub..

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 23, 2003 at 04:27 PM
Hk and WS preamp??? abangan!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 12:42 PM
this Friday... hehehehe ;D ;D

Sebman, J_albert, James & jvm bili bili na HK boys..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 24, 2003 at 01:30 PM
this Friday... hehehehe ;D ;D

Sebman, J_albert, James & jvm bili bili na HK boys..

naks,

hans adriene.... bibili ka na ng WS pre amp. padinig kapag nakabili ka na ha?  ;D

congrats in advance!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Nov 24, 2003 at 01:33 PM
this Friday... hehehehe ;D ;D

Sebman, J_albert, James & jvm bili bili na HK boys..

congrats on your new toy Hans.. m sure sulit cgurado yan.. for delivery na sa friday e..   ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Nov 24, 2003 at 02:16 PM
Aba! Wala na ako sa circulation ha...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 24, 2003 at 02:27 PM
Aba! Wala na ako sa circulation ha...

join ka din!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Nov 24, 2003 at 02:46 PM
Puwede kaya yan sa aking lowly 2550?  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 24, 2003 at 03:02 PM
Puwede kaya yan sa aking lowly 2550?  ;D

pwede yan, dun sa cd-in ikakabit yung pre-amp. cd/dvd player to WS preamp tapos a Cd-in ng hk 2550.... tone out mo...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Nov 24, 2003 at 03:21 PM
Hmm... tried and tested na ba yan?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 24, 2003 at 03:40 PM
Will the tone out mode bypass the preamp stage of hk receiver?

I think you're still using hk's preamp stage and only disabling the tone control. correct me if i'm wrong.... :)


pwede yan, dun sa cd-in ikakabit yung pre-amp. cd/dvd player to WS preamp tapos a Cd-in ng hk 2550.... tone out mo...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 24, 2003 at 03:57 PM
Hmm... tried and tested na ba yan?

para sigurado, matest with hk receiver... ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 05:14 PM
S2kov,

Your maybe right... Saturday will know hehehehe..

James,

Ready na talaga bitbitin yan HK mo?? hehehe

Slayer,

Masyado ka nagpapayaman hehehe sama ka sa Sat ulit pre same venue akyat tayo ulit..... hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 05:15 PM
Sebman and james,

pre thanks.. wish wish wish friday meron na...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Nov 24, 2003 at 05:31 PM
Pre,

Sana magdilang anghel ka! Ahehehe...  tignan ko kung makapunta ako.  Intriga ako diyan sa pre-amp na yan! ;)

Slayer,

Masyado ka nagpapayaman hehehe sama ka sa Sat ulit pre same venue akyat tayo ulit..... hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 24, 2003 at 05:33 PM
Slayer,

Kita kits sir...  ;) 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 24, 2003 at 11:00 PM
Hans,

Post your reviews if your using CD input versus Amp input....I'm bit worried about this setup (CD input) since this will use both WS preamp and HK's built-in preamp. To me, it will overdrive input stage of the AVR if WS preamp is set to max.

Just my thought.... ;) ;) ;)  

S2kov,

Your maybe right... Saturday will know hehehehe..

James,

Ready na talaga bitbitin yan HK mo?? hehehe

Slayer,

Masyado ka nagpapayaman hehehe sama ka sa Sat ulit pre same venue akyat tayo ulit..... hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 25, 2003 at 11:59 AM
s2kov,

Pre sure.. but i think mas ok pag CD in hehehe kasi we can use the Hk remote for the volume just put the WS preamp to minimum level tapos HK na control mo.. hehehe... depend na lang kung ano labas ng sound sir..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 25, 2003 at 01:25 PM
kung malaki ang iimprove ng sound tapos compatible,

ayos na ayos yan.

kita kits sa sabado...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 26, 2003 at 06:44 AM
ano kaya tunog ng HK receiver + Monitor audio B2 + Wiredstate pre-amp?

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/hk&b2.JPG)

CURIOUS KA NO?????

Abangan ang reviews from last night....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Nov 26, 2003 at 07:33 AM
ano kaya tunog ng HK receiver + Monitor audio B2 + Wiredstate pre-amp?

(http://www.cuteful.hytekhosting.com/uploads/hk&b2.JPG)

CURIOUS KA NO?????

Abangan ang reviews from last night....

wows.. cant wait for the reviews... crossing my fingers that its positive...  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 27, 2003 at 09:20 AM
sebman,

text sakin si superman the other night... ayos daw ang Hk2550 with WS pre amp and B2 raw!!! bili ka na!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Nov 27, 2003 at 09:33 AM
james16.. ala pa pambili.. sana mapakinggan ko sa saturday kina akyat yung combo..  :D  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 27, 2003 at 09:55 AM
for the CURIOUS ones... check out the pix and review here:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=17630

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 27, 2003 at 03:15 PM
Iceman,

Parang you can't describe the sound?? lalo ako na curious hehehehe... ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 27, 2003 at 03:19 PM
for the CURIOUS ones... check out the pix and review here:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=17630



nakakapag-isip-isip  ah ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 27, 2003 at 03:31 PM
James,

Decided na ba??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Nov 27, 2003 at 03:42 PM
Hello,

Di ako gaanong nakasubaybay. Anong model ng HK receiver ang ginamit? May 'AMP IN' ba or just bypassing the bass management and tone controls?

Thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 27, 2003 at 03:52 PM
Philander,

HK2550 they hook it up thru the CD In and tone out...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 27, 2003 at 04:05 PM
Hans,

What do you think? Which connection do you preferred? The Amp In or CD In connection?

Philander,

HK2550 they hook it up thru the CD In and tone out...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 27, 2003 at 04:56 PM
James,

Decided na ba??

nde pa kasi dapat to hear is to believe eh (sabado na)...  ;D ;D ;D

tapos tignan ko pa budget ko at baka maglalakad na lang ako papasok sa opis...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 28, 2003 at 07:26 AM
hans adriene,

congrats pare sa WS pre amp... ngayon mo ba makukuha??? puyatan na naman... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 28, 2003 at 08:44 AM
James,

Lapit na.. hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Nov 28, 2003 at 08:54 AM
pre... tamaang tama yan tomorrow.. me advance review na before the listening session kina akyat..  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 28, 2003 at 08:58 AM
sEbman,

Allan pag maganda sound ng combo HK/MA/WS... PANALO naman yan... hehehehe    8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 28, 2003 at 09:48 AM
sEbman,

Allan pag maganda sound ng combo HK/MA/WS... PANALO naman yan... hehehehe    8)

matindi nga yan...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 28, 2003 at 12:11 PM
James,


OT..PRe hope matuloy yun kay Nels para will hear the difference..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Nov 28, 2003 at 01:29 PM
D-day na Hans... post ka ng review mo mamaya!!  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Nov 28, 2003 at 02:15 PM
slayer

sent u pm pre!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Nov 28, 2003 at 06:41 PM
James,


OT..PRe hope matuloy yun kay Nels para will hear the difference..

(OT) Matutuloy dre. Just pray na hindi ako tamarin ma-retrieve ung 912 tonight. Magkikita na iyong magkaibigang matalik tom - 912 and B2.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 30, 2003 at 02:04 PM
After our very successful listening session again at Sir Akyatbundok place.. and the regular guys.. James16, Nels76, Narayan, J_albert, Jvm, and sebman..

Akyat salamat ulit sir for the warm welcome.. hehehe

Zypher, nice meeting you sir...so what do you think Rica o Maui??

Sir Mickey, thanks for dropping by and enlighten us...

Successful again coz we guys had a very good time almost all the pairing and matching of AVR, Power amp, Speakers, speaker wire... resulted AWESOME!!!.. And as for the HK/Ma/Ws preamp combo!!

Editor's choice ito!!! IMHO..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ZEPHYR on Nov 30, 2003 at 02:27 PM
Zypher, nice meeting you sir...so what do you think Rica o Maui??

Hans nice meeting you and all you guys also.

On the way home I can not seem to detach myself on what I have heard for myself the benefits of having the pre-amp on ones setup.

Up one level - ika nga.... naku po gastos naman  :o

But this is one "gastos" I will really enjoy. (Guys, I will be placing my order to sir vintage_dog right now).

To all the guys thanks again, especially to akyatbundok for the great accomodation.

So what do I think Rica o Maui?? Sir Hans to each his own po ang sagot ko...... ;)


Zephyr  8)

 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 30, 2003 at 02:34 PM
Zephyr,

I agree.. Up one level!! as for gastos.. yan ganyan talaga pre...

good luck on your rica and maui hunting.....


este speaker hunting pala  :D :D ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 30, 2003 at 03:56 PM
s2kov,

Quote
Hans,

What do you think? Which connection do you preferred? The Amp In
or CD In
connection?

I prefer the CD IN connection heard no difference with the amp in connection except its have more power.. but still have to listen more..and with the the amp in there will be no sub.. lalabas lang talaga na power amp HK 5500 power ON/Off lang and if you want 5.1 you have to balance the volume level of the front and center/surround pero with CD IN basta fix the preamp at 12 o clock tapos sa HK na volume control ok na..5.1 channel no problem din..

pero any connection will give your HK a new tube sound!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 01, 2003 at 09:00 AM
Hearing again the combo of Harman Kardon AVR and Monitor Audio B2 was just confortable for me... :) since this combo was my gauge whether its was truly worthy or not of replacing my dependable speaker..

Hay!!... still can't forget the voice... at first i was afraid, I was petrified.. I can't really live without you by my side...  ::) ::)

oooops IMHO still rock for me!!

What more when we hook up the WS preamp!!  :o :o :o sound its like embracing and taking on you according to Sir Nels76.. 8)

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 01, 2003 at 09:37 AM
Inggit ako!  ;D Dibale, next time!  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 01, 2003 at 09:54 AM
hey guys, i heard an HK receiver for the 1st time last saturday.  all i can say is that it sounds like an integrated amp!  it does not lack bass output when playing music.  details, bass weight, midrange.... all there!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 01, 2003 at 09:59 AM
bros,

any other reviews on your listening session specially on the HK/WS/MA setup? one week din ako hindi naka internet due to work travel eh.

side note, will be ordering my B Center and DTX 4.10 sub today  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 01, 2003 at 10:20 AM
sir cousin congrat sa new babies....HK/MA/WS  combi wow nagsisi nga ako kung bakit ko pa pinakinggan dahil pinuyat ako di ako makatulog hinahanap ko yong lambing na parang hinahaplos ka nang kumakanta almost 2:30AM na ko nakatulog sa kaiisip  ;D ;D ;D..............what can i say pangit yon wag nyong pakinggan mapupuyat lang kayo ;D ;D ;D OOngiiii  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 01, 2003 at 10:28 AM
j_albert22,

tnx pre! am kinda happy nga na hindi ako nakasama sa listening session since i cant afford tube sars right now, hehe. by the way, ive always wondered was OOngiii means. i think, marami na rin ang nag tanong nyan, hehehe.

what cd players did you use in the listening session?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 01, 2003 at 10:29 AM
tanong mo nalang kina hans,james at superman wat the real meaning of OONGIIII ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on Dec 01, 2003 at 11:42 AM
oongiii means oonga onga? huh? ano ba talaga? ???
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 01, 2003 at 12:06 PM
cousin skeeter,

Congrats on your new toys ganda ng mga yan...

Sir the experience last Saturday was truly captivating and engaging!!  :) :) that present us thinking of that great listening experienced...

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 01, 2003 at 12:35 PM
what cd players did you use in the listening session?

cousin, we used pioneer 233 and 733.  both are just dvd players but for our ears they sound good.  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 01, 2003 at 12:46 PM
cousin, we used pioneer 233 and 733.  both are just dvd players but for our ears they sound good.  ;D

thanks bro! great gears in the listening session! wish i could have a chance to tinker with a gears like that, hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpOy on Dec 01, 2003 at 12:50 PM
Akyat Bundok you got pm.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Dec 01, 2003 at 09:08 PM
Guys, medyo OT

Ganda talaga ng session natin. Dami natin na-conclude for ourselves. Yup. the WS Pre-Amp makes the singer "akit" you.

This is what I can say:

I do not like Nina's Version of Foolish Heart but upon hearing it with the WS, 2x ko pa pinatugtog during the session.

That's all I can say.

WS is a must.

As what Hans and I were saying "Sound Matters Most - oongii"
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Dec 01, 2003 at 10:06 PM
Hans,

Have you tried connecting WS Preamp on both CD In and Amp In? Which inputs gave you a clear and detail sound?

cousin skeeter,

Congrats on your new toys ganda ng mga yan...

Sir the experience last Saturday was truly captivating and engaging!!  :) :) that present us thinking of that great listening experienced...


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 02, 2003 at 10:00 AM
s2kov,

Have tried both Observation ko sir

CD In - vocal and instrument have nice focus on each its own like parang they have there own space na di nagsasapawan.. airy vocal, can use the sub if you like.Preamp vol is fix at 12oclock..


AMP IN - Imaging is best and again vocal and instrument are more separate and more rounder sound and neutral... but you can't use the sub. no remote hehehehe.. tapos if you watch DVD 5.1 you have to balance the front level with your center and surrounds..(pero you can balance them thru test tone).

But prefer the CD in due to convinience... hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 02, 2003 at 10:03 AM
s2kov,

CD in connection -

regards to level of preamp before 1 oclock meron poping pero after 57hours break in nawala sa 1 o clock nasa 4 o clock na maybe after the required period mawala yun poping sound...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 02, 2003 at 10:16 AM
bros,

instead of me getting a dedicated cd player, would you recomend getting a WS instead as preamp with my xenon dvd player as audio source and hk2550 receiver? were you able to test the WS with a generic dvd player?

i went to the sm appliance store yesterday and requested if they could setup a xenon and pioneer dvd to play audio so i could compare. result was, although there was an improvement with the sound, it was hardly noticeable. i had to listen very carefully to hear it. if i was listening casually, i could not have noticed the difference. we tested both analog and digital out (guy attending was very courteous, very rare in sm appliance stores) but still it did not impress me. anyway, it got me thinking that instead of getting a dedicated cd player, ill get a ws instead. would you recommend this? thanks guys!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 02, 2003 at 10:33 AM
bros,

instead of me getting a dedicated cd player, would you recomend getting a WS instead as preamp with my xenon dvd player as audio source and hk2550 receiver? were you able to test the WS with a generic dvd player?

i went to the sm appliance store yesterday and requested if they could setup a xenon and pioneer dvd to play audio so i could compare. result was, although there was an improvement with the sound, it was hardly noticeable. i had to listen very carefully to hear it. if i was listening casually, i could not have noticed the difference. we tested both analog and digital out (guy attending was very courteous, very rare in sm appliance stores) but still it did not impress me. anyway, it got me thinking that instead of getting a dedicated cd player, ill get a ws instead. would you recommend this? thanks guys!


Yes I would recommend that you get the WS pre-amp first. then eventually the CD player (iba talaga ang may dedicated IMO  :) )
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Dec 02, 2003 at 10:34 AM
Hhmmm.... ::) ::) ::)I might do this and will see the outcome after the break-in period. 8) 8) 8)

Thanks anyway.... :D :D :D


s2kov,

CD in connection -

regards to level of preamp before 1 oclock meron poping pero after 57hours break in nawala sa 1 o clock nasa 4 o clock na maybe after the required period mawala yun poping sound...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 02, 2003 at 11:21 AM
Yes I would recommend that you get the WS pre-amp first. then eventually the CD player (iba talaga ang may dedicated IMO  :) )

thanks bro. ill do this na lang siguro. pero mga jan or feb na after i get my surrounds. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 02, 2003 at 12:43 PM
cousin skeeter,

Jake WS preamp for me its a MUST!! hehehehe btw we used a PIoneer dvd player.. hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 02, 2003 at 05:57 PM
MK,

congrats at may dvd25 ka na.... ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 03, 2003 at 08:46 AM
MK,

Congrats on your DVD25... idol ka namin.. 8) 8)


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 03, 2003 at 08:49 AM
s2kov,

Regards to my initial post on connection CD in / Amp IN

Have notice that i had used 2 different IC kaya pala iba sound hehehe. pero after I used same brand of IC pareho na sound sir.. kaya CD IN na talaga connection ko.. tapos 10:30 fix ang level ng preamp..also done some A/B comparison on the output of standard player to the preamp and 1030 ang pinakamalapit na level pre. :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Dec 03, 2003 at 08:54 AM
Hhmmm.... ::) ::) ::)I'll do that, thanks.... :D :D :D


s2kov,

Regards to my initial post on connection CD in / Amp IN

Have notice that i had used 2 different IC kaya pala iba sound hehehe. pero after I same brand of IC pareho na sound sir.. kaya CD IN na talaga connection ko.. tapos 10:30 fix ang level ng preamp..also done some A/B comparison on the output of standard player to the preamp and 1030 ang pinakamalapit na level pre. :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 04, 2003 at 07:11 AM
bros,

instead of me getting a dedicated cd player, would you recomend getting a WS instead as preamp with my xenon dvd player as audio source and hk2550 receiver? were you able to test the WS with a generic dvd player?


yes WS preamp na lang  muna kunin mo then use analog out .....WS preamp ang magdadala nyan  :D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 04, 2003 at 09:54 AM
cousin skeeter,

Remember when your still auditioning/ hunting HK and B2 combo you mention that you saw an x10d hook up... and sounded very sweet and warm...


pssss pre mas ok pa preamp dun.. hehehehe. 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 04, 2003 at 10:04 AM
cousin skeeter,

pssss pre mas ok pa preamp dun.. hehehehe. 8)

CS iba na talaga may pera hehehehe ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 04, 2003 at 10:12 AM
J_albert,

Sir syempre puro coins ang pocket ko eh.. hehheheehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 04, 2003 at 10:13 AM
J_albert,

Sir syempre puro coins ang pocket ko eh.. hehheheehe

gold coin naman ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 04, 2003 at 11:05 AM
J_albert,


Chocolate coin meron.... OT na tayo sir... :-X :-X
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: bigbird2323 on Dec 04, 2003 at 10:12 PM
I was just wondering why the HK's here in the philippines are way overpriced.the 325 which is the equivalent of 4550 if I'm not mistaken is selling for $420 on average in the states. which is roughly 23k while the 4550 sells heres for 37k...that;s almost 14k difference.the 525 is averaging $550 which is about 30k,I dont know the exact price of the 5550 here but im sure that it's selling over 40k.I was seriously considering going the HK route but now is a bit hesitant because of this.Can somebody please enlighten me,thanks   :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Weng! on Dec 05, 2003 at 12:37 AM
i guess its our tax system. any electronic equipment sa atin compared to other ASEAN countries, i noticed na mahal ang selling price sa atin.

just my 2 cents ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 05, 2003 at 09:56 AM
I was just wondering why the HK's here in the philippines are way overpriced.the 325 which is the equivalent of 4550 if I'm not mistaken is selling for $420 on average in the states. which is roughly 23k while the 4550 sells heres for 37k...that;s almost 14k difference.the 525 is averaging $550 which is about 30k,I dont know the exact price of the 5550 here but im sure that it's selling over 40k.I was seriously considering going the HK route but now is a bit hesitant because of this.Can somebody please enlighten me,thanks   :)
bigbird2323,

if you know someone from singapore, the prices there are pretty low. check the thread bout 2 months ago JT (pinoydvd member) bought a 5500 for a friend and its price was around the same as a 3550. youll have to consider shipping though.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 05, 2003 at 10:07 AM
cousin skeeter,

Remember when your still auditioning/ hunting HK and B2 combo you mention that you saw an x10d hook up... and sounded very sweet and warm...


pssss pre mas ok pa preamp dun.. hehehehe. 8)

oo pre, cant forget that full bodied, warm, enveloping sound of the x10d. if the ws is better than that, then thats my ticket. siguro thatll be my last (fingers crossed) investment on my ht/audio setup for a while kasi humihingal na wallet ko, siguro by feb pa ko kukuha. by the way, hindi dumating sub and center ko. called up shipping and hindi daw napaakyat sa ship and sa next ship pa na padala. bukas pa da darating ...... :'( :'(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 05, 2003 at 11:52 AM
Pinsan Skeeter,

Uy ok lang tutal weekend bukas you'll have more time to experiment and listen to your setup... enjoy pre!! sarap ng pasko!! natin...hhheheehe

psshh magprice increase ulit yan by Feb hehehe and baka may bago na silang project... SARS ulit??? kaya??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 05, 2003 at 12:03 PM
yup pre. will wait for their february surprise and then ill decide if ill get the ws preamp or whatever it is theyre making.  :) :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Dec 05, 2003 at 12:08 PM
bigbird2323,

if you know someone from singapore, the prices there are pretty low. check the thread bout 2 months ago JT (pinoydvd member) bought a 5500 for a friend and its price was around the same as a 3550. youll have to consider shipping though.

The shipping from Singapore to Manila costs around 3k pesos.  

Let's hope magkaroon ulit ng HK sale soon.


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 05, 2003 at 12:15 PM
JT,

Ok pala sir... still cheaper even with the freight cost.. hope it also honor international warranty.. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Dec 05, 2003 at 01:19 PM
MK,

congrats at may dvd25 ka na.... ;D

James16, Hans

Thank you mga bros,  Yesterday I was able to audition un WS preamp w/ DVD25/HK4550/B2, all I can say is I have to have WS Preamp!!!  Galing pare, mas detailed and neutral sya although parang mabagal pero patok na patok!  Hay naku, walang katapusang SARS, kaya lng may bago yatang lalabas eh abangan natin yan!hehehehe...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Dec 05, 2003 at 01:57 PM
JT,

Ok pala sir... still cheaper even with the freight cost.. hope it also honor international warranty.. ;D

Yes,  it comes with international warranty.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Dec 05, 2003 at 02:22 PM
OT

JT, available din ba ang Rotel amp dyan sa place mo, im planning on going there sometime next year

thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Dec 05, 2003 at 02:31 PM
OT

JT, available din ba ang Rotel amp dyan sa place mo, im planning on going there sometime next year

thanks

Yup, available naman lahat ng brand dito. Check mo sa Adelphi near City Hall mrt.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 06, 2003 at 11:51 PM
Yup, available naman lahat ng brand dito. Check mo sa Adelphi near City Hall mrt.


tanong ko lang po sir, nung nagsale ng HK DVD25 or DVD21 dyan, magakano kaya in peso... at kung meron pang skeduled sale dyan ulit????
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 07, 2003 at 07:59 AM
tanong ko lang po sir, nung nagsale ng HK DVD25 or DVD21 dyan, magakano kaya in peso... at kung meron pang skeduled sale dyan ulit????

hehehe HK fanatic, nels nakabili ka dvd21?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 07, 2003 at 11:50 AM
Nels76,

Uy ganda yan pre DVD21.. order na..

J_albert,

Si Akyat may bago naman toy hehehhe Congrats Roger.. Ganda talaga yan.. pre..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 07, 2003 at 12:31 PM
ano bago kay akyat you mean lulusubin na naman natin hide out nya hehehehe coz bago audition na naman ;) ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 07, 2003 at 12:56 PM
Nels76,

Uy ganda yan pre DVD21.. order na..

J_albert,

Si Akyat may bago naman toy hehehhe Congrats Roger.. Ganda talaga yan.. pre..

oo nga akyat, congrats with your new toy.... ayos na ayos na bargain yan... heheheh
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Dec 07, 2003 at 04:00 PM
Nels76,

Uy ganda yan pre DVD21.. order na..

J_albert,

Si Akyat may bago naman toy hehehhe Congrats Roger.. Ganda talaga yan.. pre..

Hans, James,

Yup. DVD 21 is coming to town. Soon. A relative will be selling his to me.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 07, 2003 at 04:31 PM
Hans, James,

Yup. DVD 21 is coming to town. Soon. A relative will be selling his to me.

ang lupit mo ganda nyan  ;D ;D mukhang nakuha na bonus  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 08, 2003 at 09:34 AM
Nel76,

Pre Congrats ha welcome to HK hehehehe..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 08, 2003 at 12:24 PM
nels76,

kung saka-sakali member ka na rin ng beyond avesco or avesco innovations.... hehehehe  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 08, 2003 at 12:57 PM
James,

Pre si Roger may bagong toy... kaya puyat palagi and new believer sya nun brand hehehe... Akyat paramdam ka naman hirap ng marami pera.. ;D ;D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 08, 2003 at 01:04 PM
James,

Pre si Roger may bagong toy... kaya puyat palagi and new believer sya nun brand hehehe... Akyat paramdam ka naman hirap ng marami pera.. ;D ;D


nyeks, balimbing talaga ako... b&w fan naman ngayon... hehehe... hk/ma/ms/ws/bw... puro dalawang letra ha.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 08, 2003 at 01:06 PM
Akyat,

Yan ang masarap sa single parating may pera sa pocket.. hehee Congrats sir.. OT tayo :P
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 08, 2003 at 04:39 PM
OT. nabenta na yata ni raycor denon nya. going hk din ba sya?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 08, 2003 at 05:57 PM
James,

Pre si Roger may bagong toy... kaya puyat palagi and new believer sya nun brand hehehe... Akyat paramdam ka naman hirap ng marami pera.. ;D ;D



cguro kahit ako baka magbalimbing kung maganda ang pagkakataon... ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 09, 2003 at 08:39 AM
Raycor,

Musta pre any news... whats the verdict?? AVr o integrated?? nice meeting you pre.. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 09, 2003 at 11:45 AM
Hans nakumbinse mo ba si RAycor madaragdagan na ba HK\MA\WS\BW club ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 09, 2003 at 12:17 PM
J_albert,

Malupet.. ang type ni Sir Raycor.. high end sound ang hanap, hope after our listening session eh makadecide na sya hehehe.. 8)

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 09, 2003 at 12:30 PM
J_albert,

Malupet.. ang type ni Sir Raycor.. high end sound ang hanap, hope after our listening session eh makadecide na sya hehehe.. 8)



kuya hans,  ;D

kelan ba kami makakinig sa set-up mo? buti pa si raycor nadinig na... hwheehehhe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 09, 2003 at 12:58 PM
James,

Baka next year sir.. hiya ako small lang kubo ko and baka magiba dahil heavy weight tayo... ;D ;D paglipat ko na lang sa Pasay dun pwede na siguro sir...  :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 09, 2003 at 06:13 PM
James,

Baka next year sir.. hiya ako small lang kubo ko and baka magiba dahil heavy weight tayo... ;D ;D paglipat ko na lang sa Pasay dun pwede na siguro sir...  :D :D

cge, excited din kami madinig yung malupit mong set-up.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 09, 2003 at 06:19 PM
James,

Baka next year sir.. hiya ako small lang kubo ko and baka magiba dahil heavy weight tayo... ;D ;D paglipat ko na lang sa Pasay dun pwede na siguro sir...  :D :D

 OY bago bahay means bago gamit kaya akin yong WS ha 50% off ;D;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 10, 2003 at 07:24 AM
OY bago bahay means bago gamit kaya akin yong WS ha 50% off ;D;D

Oongi - este oo nga, malas daw nagdadala ng lumang gamit sa bagong bahay, bilhin ko yung B&W 302 mo 1,500  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 10, 2003 at 09:16 AM
peeps,

does anyone know the max volume setting of the hk2550? wala kasi sa manual. and also, whats the highest that youve tested. takot kasi ako mag push beyond -10db. baka umusok, hehehe.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 10, 2003 at 09:35 AM
peeps,

does anyone know the max volume setting of the hk2550? wala kasi sa manual. and also, whats the highest that youve tested. takot kasi ako mag push beyond -10db. baka umusok, hehehe.

if i remember correctly , it's +10

you can verify by turning it up to its max - with no source (dvd /cd/tuner) turned on so no signal comes in  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 10, 2003 at 11:57 AM
cs,

i think iceman is right, just not sure kung +10db rin ang maximum kapag iba level settings mo for each speakers.

the loudest that i cranked up the volume was -6db, but i think mahina talaga kasi yung dvd na gamit ko...

depende rin sa source at room acoustics din ata.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 10, 2003 at 12:02 PM
james,

whats ur dvd player bro? survey na lang tayo.

to all hk avr owners, what dvd players are you using and max volume you've tested? thanks!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 10, 2003 at 12:07 PM
james,

whats ur dvd player bro? survey na lang tayo.

to all hk avr owners, what dvd players are you using and max volume you've tested? thanks!

the ancient but dependable pioneer DV233... ;D

hopefully 2nd qrtr next year, hk dvd player ang mabili ko.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 10, 2003 at 01:14 PM
the ancient but dependable pioneer DV233... ;D

hopefully 2nd qrtr next year, hk dvd player ang mabili ko.
wow  :o ganda naman sana ako din  ;D lupit mo talaga idol
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Dec 10, 2003 at 01:19 PM
wow  :o ganda naman sana ako din  ;D lupit mo talaga idol

ano pang hinihintay mo pre. unahan mo na si james.. bili ka na ng dvd25..  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimera on Dec 10, 2003 at 01:26 PM
hello peeps

its been quite a while since i last visited pDVD, anyway can you help me out on an updated pricecheck....id like to know how much are H/K AVRs there in phils, like the 5550, 4550, 3550 etc and updated price on the DVD25 and DVD30 players

problem was my order of Marantz 7400 is giving me headaches, my local authorized dealer have been keeping me waiting for nearl 3months already and im really disappointed now, so im looking at the H/K line but it seems its quite expensive here thats why id like to have some price comparisons

thanks a lot in advance, more power to pinoyDVD

OT: wala ba xmas EB pinoyDVD this year?

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 10, 2003 at 01:43 PM
wowow!! Lupit ni James16 & j_albert... DVD25!! :o

ano pang hinihintay mo pre. unahan mo na si james.. bili ka na ng dvd25..  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Dec 10, 2003 at 05:50 PM
The HK in United Square Shop here in Singapore is offering a couple of their receivers on sale:

AVR 1550 (http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%201550/230&language=ENGLISH) $338 (was $680) (no 5.1ch inputs?!?!) 40wpc, 11kg

AVR 5550 (http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%205550/230&language=ENGLISH) $898 (was $1,700) Logic7 & HDCD, 70wpc 20kg

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 10, 2003 at 05:57 PM
j_albert22, sebman and slayer,

medyo matagal pa yun eh... ;D

slayer,

sent you pm..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Superman on Dec 10, 2003 at 07:14 PM
The HK in United Square Shop here in Singapore is offering a couple of their receivers on sale:

AVR 1550 (http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%201550/230&language=ENGLISH) $338 (was $680) (no 5.1ch inputs?!?!) 40wpc, 11kg

AVR 5550 (http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%205550/230&language=ENGLISH) $898 (was $1,700) Logic7 & HDCD, 70wpc 20kg




hi bro!

is this is singapore or US dollars??? 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Dec 10, 2003 at 09:39 PM
hi bro!

is this is singapore or US dollars??? 8)

In singapore dollars so multiply by 31 to convert to peso.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Superman on Dec 10, 2003 at 10:50 PM
In singapore dollars so multiply by 31 to convert to peso.


thanks bro!

wow, laking mura ha!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimera on Dec 11, 2003 at 08:24 AM
The HK in United Square Shop here in Singapore is offering a couple of their receivers on sale:

AVR 1550 (http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%201550/230&language=ENGLISH) $338 (was $680) (no 5.1ch inputs?!?!) 40wpc, 11kg

AVR 5550 (http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%205550/230&language=ENGLISH) $898 (was $1,700) Logic7 & HDCD, 70wpc 20kg



that's fooking cheap....round here the 5550 is going for £900, talk about being ripped-off

tnx for the heads-up JT
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 11, 2003 at 08:35 AM
Cousin skeeter,

It depends on the DVD Disc lalo na pirated..pero normally -15 to -18 lang pre..

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 11, 2003 at 08:40 AM
Iceman,

vince already sold na yun B&W ko sir.. hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 11, 2003 at 09:24 AM
Bro,

Replied your PM. :D

j_albert22, sebman and slayer,

medyo matagal pa yun eh... ;D

slayer,

sent you pm..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 11, 2003 at 09:37 AM
that's fooking cheap....round here the 5550 is going for £900, talk about being ripped-off

tnx for the heads-up JT

P27,000 for a 5550? damn thats cheap! *sigh*
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 11, 2003 at 10:17 AM
Cousin skeeter,

Pre actually yun 5500 nun sale the price was P29k lang at SM city north edsa..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Dec 11, 2003 at 10:40 AM
Kelan yun nag sale?

Cousin skeeter,

Pre actually yun 5500 nun sale the price was P29k lang at SM city north edsa..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 11, 2003 at 10:41 AM
Guys,

Try nyo ito for those HK with amp in to connect WS preamp..

Take out the jumper of HK preamp and amp in then do this..
WS preamp OUT ->  HK amp in -> HK preamp OUT -> to WS preamp in.. tapos yun CD player mo connect mo straight to HK CD in.. tapos fix the WS preamp to 10 oclock.

With this connection you can now use the remote + sub, DSP and other function.. kasi pag straight HK AMP in connection wla sub and remote.. power amp dating..

Sound is same as Amp in connection..  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Dec 11, 2003 at 12:55 PM

to all hk avr owners, what dvd players are you using and max volume you've tested? thanks!

Im using DVD25 + HK5500, max volume hanggang -15 palang na try ko.  Actually malakas na yun, na nginginig na bahay ko nun.  Pero it depends parin sa source, may mahina, meron din malakas na bala eh.

James16,

Balita ko nag kakaubusan na ng DVD25?  Lalabas naraw un new model ng HK dvd na slim type & 2 tone (Black & Silver) although same specs sa DVD25.

Wala lng, just want to share
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bhot on Dec 11, 2003 at 01:22 PM
The HK in United Square Shop here in Singapore is offering a couple of their receivers on sale:

AVR 1550 (http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%201550/230&language=ENGLISH) $338 (was $680) (no 5.1ch inputs?!?!) 40wpc, 11kg

AVR 5550 (http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product&cat=REC&ser=AVR&prod=AVR%205550/230&language=ENGLISH) $898 (was $1,700) Logic7 & HDCD, 70wpc 20kg



Pre pabili ulit  ;) benta ko 5500 ko he he he.... may bibili kaya?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Dec 11, 2003 at 02:08 PM
Pre pabili ulit  ;) benta ko 5500 ko he he he.... may bibili kaya?

Malaki ba talaga ang kaibahan nung 5550 sa 5500 in terms of features?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 11, 2003 at 02:34 PM
JT,

Pre Hk5550 is 7.1 discrete already while 5500 is 7.1 ready so if you want 7.1 an additional power amp is needed for the surrround back channel. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Dec 11, 2003 at 02:40 PM
5550 - 70 Watts per channel / 5500 - 75 Watts per channel, correct me if im wrong Hans?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 11, 2003 at 03:00 PM
MK,

Correct ka dyan sir.. musta na MA speaker mo sir broken in na ba??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Dec 11, 2003 at 03:08 PM
Hans,

Medyo busi kasi, wala na kong quality time sa set-up ko baka mag tampo hehehe! pero malapit na, i can hear it.  

Musta un HK/WS combo mo? Ganda ba?  Nung narinig ko eh walang hiya, sabi ko hay gastos nanaman pero next year na kung pagpapalain.  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 11, 2003 at 03:17 PM
Mk,

Have tried new connection and provided very good result.. A must buy pre..

happy holiday.. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bhot on Dec 11, 2003 at 03:25 PM
Malaki ba talaga ang kaibahan nung 5550 sa 5500 in terms of features?


joke lang un pre. konti lang naman.... main difference lang yun DD EX & 7.1 discreet. hindi ko nga gaano nagagamit yun HK for movies bec of my baby.  baka maingayan  :-[
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 11, 2003 at 03:36 PM
ako hintay na lng feb, when ws brings out its new project. baka version 3 ng  preamp nila para in case magkasars kayo, bigay nyo na lng sakin yung ws preamps nyo ngayon, or if not half the price na lng  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 11, 2003 at 03:40 PM
ako hintay na lng feb, when ws brings out its new project. baka version 3 ng  preamp nila para in case magkasars kayo, bigay nyo na lng sakin yung ws preamps nyo ngayon, or if not half the price na lng  ;D ;D ;D

announced na ang feb project: its a tube integrated amp (9 - 10 watts)  ibabagay daw sa MA speakers  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 11, 2003 at 03:43 PM
Iceman,

Ok yan integrated.. hope meron input for our WS preamp natin... ::) ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 11, 2003 at 03:46 PM
ako hintay na lng feb, when ws brings out its new project. baka version 3 ng  preamp nila para in case magkasars kayo, bigay nyo na lng sakin yung ws preamps nyo ngayon, or if not half the price na lng  ;D ;D ;D

hehe mautak si pinsan skeeter... ako rin hintayin ko lumala ang sars niyo para ibenta niyo sakin next year ang B2 niyo.  pwede na ocho-ocho (8k)?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 11, 2003 at 03:49 PM
hehe mautak si pinsan skeeter... ako rin hintayin ko lumala ang sars niyo para ibenta niyo sakin next year ang B2 niyo.  pwede na ocho-ocho (8k)?

OT. pre, ang hinihintay ko palagi sa assrtd buy and sell "owner is upgrading" or "owner is leaving", hehe.

kukuha ka rin ng b2? mukhang di ka yata ma satisfy hanggang di mo ma ubus lahat ng models sa pinas ah ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Dec 11, 2003 at 03:52 PM
Iceman,

Ok yan integrated.. hope meron input for our WS preamp natin... ::) ::)

di daw bagay... Bagay na Bagay  ;D pati sa speakers  ;)

Patay na naman tayo nyan...

"... honey, kailangan kasi talaga bilhin yang amp - malungkot kasi yung preamp kung nagiisa o, tingnan mo...

...atsaka valentines day naman ngayon eh, labs mo ko di ba? para sa atin naman ito eh...

...tara pasyal tayo sa alabang town center... uy andito na rin lang tayo - sandali lang may dadaanan lang ako "

 ;D ;D ;D pwede na ba script ko kay kumander?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Dec 11, 2003 at 03:56 PM
Mk,

Have tried new connection and provided very good result.. A must buy pre..

happy holiday.. ;D

A must buy nga talaga pero hinayhinay lng ako till Feb hehehe...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Superman on Dec 11, 2003 at 04:13 PM
di daw bagay... Bagay na Bagay  ;D pati sa speakers  ;)

Patay na naman tayo nyan...

"... honey, kailangan kasi talaga bilhin yang amp - malungkot kasi yung preamp kung nagiisa o, tingnan mo...

...atsaka valentines day naman ngayon eh, labs mo ko di ba? para sa atin naman ito eh...

...tara pasyal tayo sa alabang town center... uy andito na rin lang tayo - sandali lang may dadaanan lang ako "

 ;D ;D ;D pwede na ba script ko kay kumander?


isa kang genius...na sinungaling, hahahahahaha! tindi mo, pare!...wala sa libro niyan, only in pinoydvd! 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jvm on Dec 11, 2003 at 04:35 PM
hehe mautak si pinsan skeeter... ako rin hintayin ko lumala ang sars niyo para ibenta niyo sakin next year ang B2 niyo.  pwede na ocho-ocho (8k)?

Magta-tayo ka ba ng shop? 8k? Higher!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 11, 2003 at 04:57 PM
Kung sino man gusto mag dispose ng kanyang B4 andito lang ako.  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Dec 11, 2003 at 05:00 PM
Kung sino man gusto mag dispose ng kanyang B4 andito lang ako.  ;D  ;D  ;D

wows pre.. getting ready na sa in joining the MA bandwagon a.. hehehehe bili na ng brand new...  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 11, 2003 at 05:02 PM
Iceman,

ok yan... scripted tapos practice everyweek till Feb na..

Akyat,

Wag naman otso... otso... pito pito na lang 7k for my surround..  ;D ;D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Dec 11, 2003 at 05:14 PM
Kung sino man gusto mag dispose ng kanyang B4 andito lang ako.  ;D  ;D  ;D

pre, pahirapan ngayon makakuha ng b4. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 11, 2003 at 05:22 PM
slayer,

Wowow!! B4 agad teka OT tayo.. ;D ;D sure match for you HK pre..

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 11, 2003 at 05:31 PM
Siyempre HK/MA B4!! ;D

Kung may magbebenta lang... ahehehe... ;D

slayer,

Wowow!! B4 agad teka OT tayo.. ;D ;D sure match for you HK pre..


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 14, 2003 at 03:39 PM
Slayer,

Sir kailan yun schedule natin?? hehehe

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 14, 2003 at 09:57 PM
Siyempre HK/MA B4!! ;D

Kung may magbebenta lang... ahehehe... ;D

naks, mag HK/MA ka na din????  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 15, 2003 at 09:52 AM
James,

Pre iba talaga ang marami bonus this christmas.. pre how can i get the bass cd sir??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Dec 15, 2003 at 10:01 AM
James,

Pre iba talaga ang marami bonus this christmas.. pre how can i get the bass cd sir??

ot... pre pakopya din ng cd na yan...  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 15, 2003 at 11:03 AM
Hans,

Jan na siguro para hindi sabay sa busy season. ;D

James16,

Next target... ahehehe... next pa siguro.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 15, 2003 at 12:10 PM
Slayer,

Ok yan pre.. pero your present setup already rocks!! pre.. Happy holidays..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Dec 15, 2003 at 01:47 PM
Hans,

Thanks.  Pero iba parang ang MA... as close as it gets.

"So Nice" ika ngang favorite song ni Sebman. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Dec 15, 2003 at 04:58 PM
"So Nice" ika ngang favorite song ni Sebman. ;D

ot... hehehe so nice yan talaga pre sa B4+WS preamp+hk2550..  :D  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 16, 2003 at 07:34 AM
to all kwela guys and the others,

last night i had a chance to try out the hk dvd21 of nels76 sa bahay namin.we tested it against sa legendary pioneer ko (dv233), we first tried yung song ni corine may sa pioneer, then sa hk dvd21, there was a little difference, mas detailed ng konti yung hk pero di nalalayo sa pioneer.

i checked the manual ng dvd21, 96/24 bit dac pala sya, akala ko 192/24 bit... ???

we tried some other cds like mariah carey's i'll be there and jim brickman, di nalalayo sa sound yung dalawa, subtle lang ang changes.

pagdating sa movie, dun ang medyo nakikita yung difference, mas klaro yung dvd21 and also white is whiter... sabi nga ni nelson, mas nakikita nya yung detalye now sa tv nila compared sa ps2 before.

overall, lamang pa din ang hk dvd21 but not that much sa audio, wish ko lang na ma-try sa dvd25 dahil 192/24 bit dac na yun.

OT : hans adriene, j_albert, sebman and akyat,

kapag nakabili ako ng cdrs, bigay ko sa inyo yung bass cds.

HK/MA All The Way!!!!

Oongi!!!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on Dec 16, 2003 at 08:40 AM
to all kwela guys and the others,

last night i had a chance to try out the hk dvd21 of nels76 sa bahay namin.we tested it against sa legendary pioneer ko (dv233), we first tried yung song ni corine may sa pioneer, then sa hk dvd21, there was a little difference, mas detailed ng konti yung hk pero di nalalayo sa pioneer.

i checked the manual ng dvd21, 96/24 bit dac pala sya, akala ko 192/24 bit... ???

overall, lamang pa din ang hk dvd21 but not that much sa audio, wish ko lang na ma-try sa dvd25 dahil 192/24 bit dac na yun.



guys,

isnt it that dacs are software dependent? how many  khz/bit does an ordinary audio CD have?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 16, 2003 at 08:45 AM
James,

Nice review pre.. hope i can get my hand on dvd21 also hehehe..

Julsp,

Pwede nga sir..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Dec 16, 2003 at 09:45 AM
guys,

isnt it that dacs are software dependent? how many  khz/bit does an ordinary audio CD have?

16 bit, 44.1Khz
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 16, 2003 at 10:28 AM
hmmm, if the hkdvd21 doesnt make much improvement, ill stick to getting the WS preamp na lang siguro. thanks james and nels :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on Dec 16, 2003 at 10:37 AM
16 bit, 44.1Khz

thanks philander! Can we conclude then that  24bit/96khz and 24bit/192khz dacs of the same BRAND produce the same sonic characteristics.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Dec 16, 2003 at 10:40 AM

Guys,

Yup. DAC is software dependent.

You can only benefit from the:
96/24 or 192/24
if the software supports it.  

From last night, I can make conclusion that the AUDIO Performance of DVD 21 is the same as James16's legendary Pioneer DV 233.
It is on the video side where the DVD 21 excel.

Reference Eqpt:
HK 3550
MA B2
Ecosse 2.3 (Speaker Cables)

Interconnects:
Generic RCA Cable.


My PS2 vs. DVD 21 (Video)

PS2 (SCPH 15000): Sharper, Cleaner, Darker
DVD 21: Brighter, More Luscious Colors, But I noticed that pix has lots of grains.

Cheers.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Dec 16, 2003 at 08:03 PM
Congarts nels sa bagong toy mo
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 17, 2003 at 09:03 AM
Nelson,

Was able to audition side by side DVD21 and a Universal DVD player both have detail and clear sound but HKdvd21 have wider soundstage, depth and produced lively music.. yun isa flat music lang..

Onkyo Integra AVR
HK DVD21
DVD player
Generic RCA
Definitive speakers
Generic speaker wire..

Still Hk for me sir..
 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 18, 2003 at 09:17 AM
guys,

Was listening to my setup last night and wow!! ibang iba na talaga.. WS preamp + HK + B4 hayyyy!! sarap ng christmas... ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Dec 18, 2003 at 01:58 PM
Nelson,

Was able to audition side by side DVD21 and a Universal DVD player both have detail and clear sound but HKdvd21 have wider soundstage, depth and produced lively music.. yun isa flat music lang..

Onkyo Integra AVR
HK DVD21
DVD player
Generic RCA
Definitive speakers
Generic speaker wire..

Still Hk for me sir..
 

Pareng Hans,

Thanks sa info.
Siguro maganda din iyong pioneer ni james kaya halos pareho lang sila ng sound although sa video mas-maganda siya talaga kaysa sa.

Cheers.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 19, 2003 at 08:59 AM
Nels

I think yun mga older model have better sound than the new model.. but i maybe wrong?? but my pioneer is also a old model and sounds pretty nice for a DVD player.. ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kwela5253 on Dec 20, 2003 at 08:25 PM
sa mga Harman Kardon Boys and Girls,

let me greet you guys a merry xmas and a happy new year!!! Mabuhay ang HK!!!

Baka kse di na ako maka-log in ulit...medyo busy...may mga bisita akong dadating for the holidays... pagyayabang ko setup ko...hehehe....

kwela
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 20, 2003 at 10:47 PM
kwela,

Merry christmas and Happy new year!!

To All HK lovers,

Happy Holiday!!!!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 21, 2003 at 12:45 AM
kwela,

Merry christmas and Happy new year!!

To All HK lovers,

Happy Holiday!!!!!!

To All HK Fanatics,

Merry Xmas and Happy New Year!!! Paputokin ang mga HK natin!!!! Music wise heheheheh  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 22, 2003 at 08:40 AM
James,

Yesterday nagwarm up na ako sa HK/B4 ko hehehe played Disco and Rock all day hehehe..  ;D ;D

Slayer,

Congrats sa new Flat screen TB mo hehehehe este TV pala..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Dec 22, 2003 at 08:55 AM
merry xmas and happy new year to all...

slayer,
congrats sa bago mong flat tv...  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Dec 22, 2003 at 09:18 AM
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!
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HK+WS tono preamp+B4 panalo!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: positive_noise on Dec 23, 2003 at 12:23 PM
Hi Bro, ;D

I've heard that HK will have a discount promo this coming months cause it's their anniversary? ???

any comment....

positive_noise. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Dec 28, 2003 at 12:12 PM
d limited edition of hk will come up soon i think b4 d end of d year its out already
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: johndoe on Dec 29, 2003 at 12:38 AM
(http://international.harmankardon.com/products/images/product_large/AVR505.gif)
sweet momma.. ;D ;D avr 505 LE


Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jan 01, 2004 at 11:14 PM
(http://international.harmankardon.com/products/images/product_large/AVR505.gif)
sweet momma.. ;D ;D avr 505 LE




ganda ah....

fyi, just saw in spectra the other day the availbility of the 3550...

Happy New Year to All!!!

HK All the Way!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 05, 2004 at 09:41 AM
Guys,

any update on the Limited edition HK AVR and dvd players??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 05, 2004 at 09:54 AM
haaaaaay, just got back from a loooong vacation. back to work na naman *sigh*.

anyways, happy new year to all!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Jan 05, 2004 at 10:40 AM
Hans & Sebman,

Salamat! ;D Happy New Gear!! ;D

Kelan session natin? ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jan 05, 2004 at 03:36 PM
Hans & Sebman,

Salamat! ;D Happy New Gear!! ;D

Kelan session natin? ;)

ot.. schedule natin nila hans pre.. belated happy new year and 3 kings to all...  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 05, 2004 at 03:38 PM
sama ko dyan hehehe bat kayo lang ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jan 05, 2004 at 03:41 PM
sama ko dyan hehehe bat kayo lang ;D ;D ;D

ot.. cge pre.. schedule natin.. nabuhay ka a.. pang-umaga na ba ulit pre? happy new year..  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 05, 2004 at 03:46 PM
oo di ako gaano nasagot para wag mahawaan nang SARS may ibang priority tayo hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Jan 05, 2004 at 04:22 PM
si james din bihira ko na mapansin. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 05, 2004 at 04:54 PM
si james din bihira ko na mapansin. ;D

hehehehe may pinaghahandaan lang yon ;D para di rin matukso  ;D ;D di ba james(DVD25  ::) ???ata)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimera on Jan 06, 2004 at 04:13 AM
Guys,

any update on the Limited edition HK AVR and dvd players??

sir

i have the 507 limited edition and im pairing it with an MA set (B4, B2, Bcenter and asw sub)

all i can say is its much better than the previoius AVRs i had (pioneer, denon and marantz), well compared with marantz 7300 there's just minimal difference but compared with the pioner d608 and denon 2802/1803, it was well worth it....goes with good looks as well as a bonus

right now im using an HTPC but i might get a prog scan dvd player na lang, either a DVD25 or a marantz dv4300

 btw, im really quite satisfied with my setup now
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Jan 06, 2004 at 07:55 AM
Nice setup kimera!!! 8) 8) 8)Where did you mount the B2? Is it wall mount or you use speaker stand?
 


sir

i have the 507 limited edition and im pairing it with an MA set (B4, B2, Bcenter and asw sub)

all i can say is its much better than the previoius AVRs i had (pioneer, denon and marantz), well compared with marantz 7300 there's just minimal difference but compared with the pioner d608 and denon 2802/1803, it was well worth it....goes with good looks as well as a bonus

right now im using an HTPC but i might get a prog scan dvd player na lang, either a DVD25 or a marantz dv4300

 btw, im really quite satisfied with my setup now
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jan 06, 2004 at 08:39 AM
Happy new year guys, kumusta na mga HK nyo?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Jan 06, 2004 at 09:20 AM
Bro,

OT pero kamusta itlog mo?

Happy new year guys, kumusta na mga HK nyo?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jan 06, 2004 at 10:09 AM
Bro,

OT pero kamusta itlog mo?

Ahahaha nice question, oks lang umaandar pa naman, medyo madami nang gasgas ehehehe..hindi na naalagaan kasi wala nang pera ehehehehe, after HT yung itlog naman ehehehe ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 06, 2004 at 10:47 AM
sir

i have the 507 limited edition and im pairing it with an MA set (B4, B2, Bcenter and asw sub)

all i can say is its much better than the previoius AVRs i had (pioneer, denon and marantz), well compared with marantz 7300 there's just minimal difference but compared with the pioner d608 and denon 2802/1803, it was well worth it....goes with good looks as well as a bonus

right now im using an HTPC but i might get a prog scan dvd player na lang, either a DVD25 or a marantz dv4300

 btw, im really quite satisfied with my setup now

ganda ng setup mo bro. b2 pang surround lang? tsk tsk tsk. actually now im kinda wishing i waited a bit longer and got b4s instead for fronts. b2 + lovan stands + dtx 4.10 sub = b4. dtx isnt a very musical sub and i turn it off when listening to music, except for rock, heavy metal and watching movies. i just realized i can do without a sub if i got em b4s.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 06, 2004 at 06:35 PM
Kimera,

Wow ganda yan sir..

Sebman, Slayer & J_albert,

sched natin next week kung free kayo??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimera on Jan 06, 2004 at 09:13 PM
mga sir

the B2 is stand-mount as of the moment, but i'll be moving it to the living room once i got hold of a NAD integrated amp and use it for music only

i might get a couple of mission dipoles to use as surround for the b4, setting-up 7.1 (naka sale yugn missions)

the HK was very good and it doesnt heat up like my old marantz 7300, the fan at the back probably helps a lot in this dept

cousin skeeter, the MA sub i got has a switch for audio and video use, mas malambot ang bayo nya pag naka audio, problema lang is nde remote controlled yung sub, so manual switching in between modes (not too bad anyway)

uso din ba sa mga sub jan sa atin yung may switch between audio and video?

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: p.dividdy2 on Jan 07, 2004 at 03:47 AM
ang yamaha subs meron niyang switch pero di ko naman masyadong namamalayan ang diff..kaya kung minsan i just leave it at video..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: VinceT on Jan 07, 2004 at 07:21 AM
Hi Forumers,

Anybody know the cheapest price for HK2550 and HK3550?

Cheers :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Jan 07, 2004 at 09:46 AM
Happy new year HK owners, question lang po.

How much is the cheapest HK AVR with DTS decoder yung 5.1 lang and what model? Also, what speaker na match sa HK AVRs?

Many thanks.  ;D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Jan 07, 2004 at 09:50 AM
I think 1550 ang cheapest but i don't think its still available.  Check the buy 'n sell... may nagbebenta ng used.  2550 is around 19k.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 07, 2004 at 10:08 AM
go 2550 pre. the 1550 as i recall dont have tone controls (bass and treble) so it really limits you a lot. ive a 2550 and im very satisfied with it.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 07, 2004 at 10:13 AM
kimosabe,

Sir 2550 and 3550 would be nice they are both 5.1 and have DTS decoder .. for the last price not idea sir.. but sure hit and HK.. :D :D

Kimera,

Very nice yun sub mo have modes for audio and HT.. :) :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Jan 07, 2004 at 11:25 AM
Thanks for the early reply guys, i'll check it out.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 07, 2004 at 11:55 AM
mga sir

the B2 is stand-mount as of the moment, but i'll be moving it to the living room once i got hold of a NAD integrated amp and use it for music only

i might get a couple of mission dipoles to use as surround for the b4, setting-up 7.1 (naka sale yugn missions)

the HK was very good and it doesnt heat up like my old marantz 7300, the fan at the back probably helps a lot in this dept

cousin skeeter, the MA sub i got has a switch for audio and video use, mas malambot ang bayo nya pag naka audio, problema lang is nde remote controlled yung sub, so manual switching in between modes (not too bad anyway)

uso din ba sa mga sub jan sa atin yung may switch between audio and video?


yup. the dtx 4.10 sub i have has ht/audio switch and smoother kung naka switch sa audio but usually i dont use it for audio, pang ht lang.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jan 07, 2004 at 04:22 PM
ive auditioned d harman avr130 n 330 already @ spectra it sounds so good n d design is very unique
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on Jan 08, 2004 at 08:56 AM
ive auditioned d harman avr130 n 330 already @ spectra it sounds so good n d design is very unique


(http://www.harmankardon.com/images/product_small/AVR130.jpg)

AVR 130
5 x 45W 5.1-Channel A/V Receiver

Don't let the AVR 130's price fool you! Our most affordable A/V receiver has a high-current, ultrawide-bandwidth amplifier that can handle the most demanding speaker loads. A wide range of processing options, including Dolby® Digital, DTS®, Dolby Pro Logic® II and, of course, our own Logic 7® and VMAx® technologies, give you theater-quality sound at a budget-minded price. Six digital inputs, two digital outputs, 192kHz/24-bit digital-to-analog converters and a programmable remote control help complete the list of features the AVR 130 offers.

(http://www.harmankardon.com/images/product_small/AVR330.jpg)

AVR 330
7 x 55W 7.1-Channel A/V Receiver

High performance at a highly attractive price. The AVR 330 features a seven-channel, high-current amplifier with power enough for the most demanding digital soundtracks, all of the popular surround sound modes, component video switching, an EzSet remote and a complete multiroom system with a standard Zone II remote. Plus front-panel inputs for analog and digital sources, as well as composite and S-Video jacks, for quick connections to digital cameras, camcorders or video games.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

i was able to see both at spectra. impressive external design. i was told that the asian version will be phased out and in lieu thereof, american version will be distributed in asia.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jan 08, 2004 at 11:09 AM
Magkano yung AVR330?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 08, 2004 at 12:19 PM
what are their corresponding asian versions?

avr 130 = 1550?
avr 330 = ?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 08, 2004 at 12:47 PM
i think the avr130 = 2550.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 08, 2004 at 12:51 PM
good thing i still haven't decided on a receiver. these new receivers look nice :> wonder if they sound as purty.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 08, 2004 at 01:18 PM
you cant go wrong with a harman gren. if you can afford the 330 which is 7.1, by all means get it. am a proud harman owner myself :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jan 08, 2004 at 01:53 PM
Magkano yung AVR330?

inquired at architectural audio.. and the price is 31,400 cash price...  ;D  ;D mahal pa 5500 nung lumabas yun..  :o
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on Jan 08, 2004 at 01:56 PM
what are their corresponding asian versions?

avr 130 = 1550?
avr 330 = ?

avr 330 = 3550 but 7.1
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 08, 2004 at 02:42 PM
avr 330 = 3550 but 7.1


.....bakit ngayon ka lang......   :( :( :(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietro on Jan 08, 2004 at 03:38 PM
kimosabe,

Sir 2550 and 3550 would be nice they are both 5.1 and have DTS decoder .. for the last price not idea sir.. but sure hit and HK.. :D :D

Kimera,

Very nice yun sub mo have modes for audio and HT.. :) :)


im also planning to get a new HK receiver, and the 2550 and 3550 both have very good reviews...havent been able to check out the prices yet though...hmm, malayo kaya prices ng mga ito sa 6.1?  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 08, 2004 at 03:58 PM
http://audioreview.com/A-V,Receivers/PLS_2718_720crx.aspx

saw avr 230, it might be the model that has the same price point as the 3550.  is it available?

i'm just about to start my auditioning.  choosing between wharfe, mission, MA and yammy, hk, denon.  mission + hk good? nelrey suggested i get denon with mission and hk with wharfe.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Jan 08, 2004 at 04:02 PM
hk and wharfs are a nice combi but get hk and MA if budget permits, mas maganda ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 08, 2004 at 04:19 PM
ouchy, was thinking of b2's all around, just wont be able to afford a sub if i did this. b4 is way too expensive and ill be stuck with 2.1 if i go that way.  i won't be able to buy anything for a year too for that matter :P

but hey, if it sounds right then maybe i can cough out the cash for it :>  the availability of these new HK receivers just changed the picture a bit.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Jan 08, 2004 at 04:20 PM
That's why i'm not comfortable seeing new versions lalo na nalaman ko pa'ng mas mura kaysa 5500.... >:( >:( >:(

.....bakit ngayon ka lang......   :( :( :(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 08, 2004 at 04:33 PM
guess this is why most of the folks here recommended expensive speakers over expensive receivers especially when budget is a huge consideration as receivers get updated more than speakers.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 08, 2004 at 04:49 PM
guess this is why most of the folks here recommended expensive speakers over expensive receivers especially when budget is a huge consideration as receivers get updated more than speakers.

buti na lng 2550 ang na bili ko instead of the 5500.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jan 08, 2004 at 04:56 PM
Bigay naman kayo ng price range, kahit pa PM na lang... thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: VinceT on Jan 08, 2004 at 09:10 PM
Pa pm dn ng price of 130 and 230. Thanks :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Jan 08, 2004 at 09:52 PM
Only 130s and 330s are available here at the moment.  

Will pm you prices tomorrow since the new listing is in the office.

Cheers.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 08, 2004 at 09:53 PM
tested hk/ma, ill probably stick with those.

fyi, 330 is in the 30k up price range.  cheaper than a 5500 i think, but not too sure.

i'm currently eying the 130, which is about ~20k price range, but i might end up with the 330, so i won't think about upgradnig anymore.

how does hk/ma sound? warm yet detailed, or rather, not harsh but detailed. love it :> just can't decide between b2 or b4, cost considering of course :>

i'm thinking if i should even bother listening to mission :>

as usual, niko from architechtural audio exercised excellent customer service :>
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on Jan 09, 2004 at 10:52 AM
tested hk/ma, ill probably stick with those.

i'm thinking if i should even bother listening to mission :>


bother listening to mission......................... b&w, kef, mordaunt, wharf and other brands of the same price range. it is always fun listening to different brands of speakers.(libre eh) ;D each has its own characteristic. know the characteristic you love most so you can choose what is best for you. goodluck. happy hunting!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: bardigones on Jan 09, 2004 at 01:25 PM
pa pm din ng price ng hk avr130,

@archi a, pareho ba kayo ng supplier ng audiophile?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 09, 2004 at 01:39 PM
haha yeah, not like this is a small decision :> i'll probably head over to home theatre later, since its nearby and i can't leave until 7 :>

if i'm going to get HK though, i still can't decide whether to go 130 or 330. 330 has all the future-proof options i want (pre-out, 7.1, room options, more power, etc) but costs a lot more. hmmm....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 09, 2004 at 03:55 PM
Gren,

Your in a very enjoyable situation.. audition and buying hehehe and as Julsp mention better audition all the posible prospect so you'll not regret it some day..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kid on Jan 09, 2004 at 03:56 PM
To all the dealers/retailers of HK receivers out there, please pm me ur cheapest DD & DTS 5.1 receiver 100w per channel power output to pair with my wf 8.3 speakers.  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 09, 2004 at 04:10 PM
s2kov,

Quote
That's why i'm not comfortable seeing new versions lalo na nalaman ko pa'ng mas mura kaysa 5500....  



I very much agree ouch!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Jan 09, 2004 at 04:22 PM
To all the dealers/retailers of HK receivers out there, please pm me ur cheapest DD & DTS 5.1 receiver 100w per channel power output to pair with my wf 8.3 speakers.  ;D

pre - conflicting reqmts mo:

the cheapest HK (1550) is rated at 40watts x 5
the most powerful (8500) they declare as 115 watts x 5
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kid on Jan 09, 2004 at 05:15 PM
iceman: how much do they cost?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Audioboy on Jan 09, 2004 at 05:19 PM

if i'm going to get HK though, i still can't decide whether to go 130 or 330. 330 has all the future-proof options i want (pre-out, 7.1, room options, more power, etc) but costs a lot more. hmmm....

your earlier post seems perfect as an insight on what direction to go. invest more on speakers than on receiver. goodluck!

guess this is why most of the folks here recommended expensive speakers over expensive receivers especially when budget is a huge consideration as receivers get updated more than speakers.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Jan 09, 2004 at 05:25 PM
iceman: how much do they cost?

dont know exact prices - from what i remember last Nov when i bought my hk

2550 - around 20k
5500 - around 35k
5550 - around 42k

btw - you might want to check out the assorted buy & sell thread, my hk2550 is up for grabs  ;D (ayos ah, nakapag plug pa  ;D)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 10, 2004 at 12:31 AM
hmm, i totally neglected this avenue, but i'd just like to know what aftersales service for hk receivers is like.  i understand that hk does not seem to share the same 'market presence' as yamaha or denon, so my question is, have any of you hk owners have difficulty in getting repairs done? especially for products greater than 3 years old.

i've read an instance of repair being done speedily on someone's hk receiver after it went kapoof. so that's one plus.  any minuses? horror stories?

i went to the hometheatre tonight and i'd have to say it was an enjoyable experience. will be back to do further auditioning as it was really comfy; no pressure at all.  the prices are very, very attractive as well.  they carry hk too so for those who are interested, do give them a ring :>
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jan 11, 2004 at 04:49 AM
tested hk/ma, ill probably stick with those.

fyi, 330 is in the 30k up price range.  cheaper than a 5500 i think, but not too sure.

i'm currently eying the 130, which is about ~20k price range, but i might end up with the 330, so i won't think about upgradnig anymore.

how does hk/ma sound? warm yet detailed, or rather, not harsh but detailed. love it :> just can't decide between b2 or b4, cost considering of course :>

i'm thinking if i should even bother listening to mission :>

as usual, niko from architechtural audio exercised excellent customer service :>

no need to worry about the aftersales. its probably the same with other brands or maybe better... importante meron service center nyan....

of course, basta customer service, Architectural Audio is the place to be... ;D

for me, HK/MA All The Way!!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jan 11, 2004 at 04:59 AM
musta na mga kwela group????

hans adriene, j_albert, sebman, akyat, jvm, slayer, narayan, nels76...

longtime no hear, tinatamaan pa ba kayo ng SARS??? heheheh

ako medyo lay-low ng kaunti kasi lumipat ako ng trabaho at pang-gabi pa kaya madalang pa ako makapag-online....

naglabasan na mga bagong hk models tapos may mga bagong mga audio equipment na lalabas... abangan....

iphase out na ata mga asian models ng hk, kaya iba na itsura nyan pero syempre tuloy pa din ang quality nila....

can't go wrong with the HK....  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 11, 2004 at 08:23 PM
I heard the 330 at architectural Audio and I highly recommend it. Im also planning to get one.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 11, 2004 at 09:04 PM
musta na mga kwela group????

hans adriene, j_albert, sebman, akyat, jvm, slayer, narayan, nels76...

longtime no hear, tinatamaan pa ba kayo ng SARS??? heheheh

ako medyo lay-low ng kaunti kasi lumipat ako ng trabaho at pang-gabi pa kaya madalang pa ako makapag-online....

naglabasan na mga bagong hk models tapos may mga bagong mga audio equipment na lalabas... abangan....

iphase out na ata mga asian models ng hk, kaya iba na itsura nyan pero syempre tuloy pa din ang quality nila....

can't go wrong with the HK....  ;D

musta nalibot nga kami nina geko, jvm, hans last sat napakinggan na namin yong bagong AE EVO S3 convincing but medyo mahal sa MA B4.....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jan 12, 2004 at 10:51 AM
ders also 130 n 330 @ spectra parksquare 1 makati
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 12, 2004 at 11:24 AM
I heard the 330 at architectural Audio and I highly recommend it. Im also planning to get one.

sir, replacement for your denon 1803? or for another audio room?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 12, 2004 at 12:41 PM
J_albert,

Si Yukon ang kasama natin di si Geko.. hehehe


I agree highly recomended ang HK 330 7.1 discrete WOWOW!! even the old model maganda talaga!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 12, 2004 at 04:24 PM
hanep ang  hk330!!!! 7.1 with 8chan input and preouts! *sigh* if i only knew i cudve waited a little bit longer :(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Jan 12, 2004 at 04:30 PM
CS,

Don't be disappointed.... 8) 8) 8) That's the price we're getting for us HK lover who bought this baby early.... :D :D :D Well anyway, we know it for sure how this unit ROCKS!!! ;D ;D ;D


hanep ang  hk330!!!! 7.1 with 8chan input and preouts! *sigh* if i only knew i cudve waited a little bit longer :(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Jan 12, 2004 at 04:36 PM
Dami nang nagtatanong ng price sa Archi... Mukhang another rounds of SARS nanaman ito. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 12, 2004 at 04:53 PM
s2kov,

my reason for getting the 2550 was that since i only have 5.1 encoded dvds, i probably wont be needing a 6.1 or 7.1 receiver. it so happened my sister brought home this christmas several dvds na DTS 6.1 encoded including LOTR 1 & 2 extended editions   :-\
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 12, 2004 at 05:05 PM
i just wish they had the 230 here. main differences are power and cost (well, maybe some more different things but these are my main concerns) :P  i like the pre-outs and the numerous component video input slots.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 12, 2004 at 11:58 PM
sir, replacement for your denon 1803? or for another audio room?

replacement.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Narayan on Jan 13, 2004 at 10:13 AM
replacement.


congrats bro. mukhang maganda pasok ng taon ah. new year, new gear :D :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 13, 2004 at 10:20 AM
Levi,

Sir welcome to the club HK all the way hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 13, 2004 at 10:42 AM
replacement.

... kasi may component video switching na. i think this was one of your criteria when you got the 1803.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jan 13, 2004 at 10:57 AM
... kasi may component video switching na. i think this was one of your criteria when you got the 1803.

And I think, also because of the multi-room function.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 14, 2004 at 12:06 AM
HK was really my first choice but the 5500 is only 5.1, more expensive and was not available when I was getting a new receiver. The 330  has more features and I heard how it performs. Not in a hurry pa naman, hopefully mabenta ko agad ang Denon. If not then ok naman din ang 1803.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Jan 14, 2004 at 12:21 AM
Has anyone asked the shops e.g. Archi Audio and Spectra if payag sila trade in of old HK plus cash with the new models?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jan 14, 2004 at 08:30 AM
Has anyone asked the shops e.g. Archi Audio and Spectra if payag sila trade in of old HK plus cash with the new models?

i also inquired about this matter.. unfortunately they don't do this.. they will rather help you sell your old HK..  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 14, 2004 at 09:26 AM
Sebman and ME,

Check out the hk130 ganda but was not able to audition target ko sana 330 pero wla display hehehe..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 14, 2004 at 09:57 AM
Has anyone asked the shops e.g. Archi Audio and Spectra if payag sila trade in of old HK plus cash with the new models?

had this in mind also bro...tsk tsk..back to the old drawing board.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jan 14, 2004 at 10:53 AM
Sebman and ME,

Check out the hk130 ganda but was not able to audition target ko sana 330 pero wla display hehehe..

ders a hk130 n 330 sa spectra @ parksquare 1
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 14, 2004 at 12:45 PM
Guys,

Available din sa Architetural Audio...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Narayan on Jan 14, 2004 at 08:36 PM
nakakabaliw talaga yang SARS na yan ano. bakit ba hindi every 3 years magpalit ng model ang mga iyan ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Chris1013 on Jan 14, 2004 at 09:26 PM
Hello guys available na din ang HK505-LE (S$730.00)http://www.worldaudiocentre.com/Storefront/Product.asp?pid=383 (http://www.worldaudiocentre.com/Storefront/Product.asp?pid=383) and HK507-LE (S$1500.00) http://www.worldaudiocentre.com/Storefront/Product.asp?pid=382 (http://www.worldaudiocentre.com/Storefront/Product.asp?pid=382) dito sa Singapore. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 15, 2004 at 02:15 AM
nakakabaliw talaga yang SARS na yan ano. bakit ba hindi every 3 years magpalit ng model ang mga iyan ;D ;D ;D

I agree
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 15, 2004 at 10:15 AM
Narayan and Levi,

Sir dapat nga so that more time naman tayo ma-enjoy and cherish ng setup natin hehehehe  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 16, 2004 at 08:42 AM
I heard a demo of u-571 in dts/6.1 and i found the rear centre channel to be a treat, even if the rear back is only a dai-ichi.  So i'm just wondering: is it possible to run the 330 in 6.1?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 16, 2004 at 10:18 AM
Gren,

pre you have PM
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: coolbum on Jan 16, 2004 at 06:30 PM
question lang po, what's the entry level 6.1ch amp ng H/K?


thanks
:)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: toshiba on Jan 17, 2004 at 03:17 AM
question lang po, what's the entry level 6.1ch amp ng H/K?


thanks
:)


it's the avr230.

http://www.harmankardon.com/product_detail.asp?cat=REC&prod=AVR%20230&sType=C

but i think it's not yet available here... :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jan 17, 2004 at 08:42 AM
Kaya ayaw kong magbasa nito eh maglalaway lang ako sa new receiver ehehehe lalo na at may bagong HK na pala ulit tapos much cheaper pa sa HK5500 ko waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :'( ehehe

Anyway the best talaga ang HK, simula nung unang gamit ko hanggang ngayn, no regrets. ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 19, 2004 at 09:25 PM
Kaya ayaw kong magbasa nito eh maglalaway lang ako sa new receiver ehehehe lalo na at may bagong HK na pala ulit tapos much cheaper pa sa HK5500 ko waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :'( ehehe

Anyway the best talaga ang HK, simula nung unang gamit ko hanggang ngayn, no regrets. ;)

oo nga natetemp na naman ako magpalit kaya dapat siguro lagi down na lang ito web  ;D ;D ;D  peace biro lang po
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Jan 20, 2004 at 02:10 AM
Ano ba ang prices ng HK na receivers ngayon? And can it drive the MA speakers?  

What other speakers can be paired with this receiver?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jan 20, 2004 at 10:26 AM
Ano ba ang prices ng HK na receivers ngayon? And can it drive the MA speakers?  

What other speakers can be paired with this receiver?
more or less nasa 20T ang HK receivers ngayon yng bagong labas
definitely kayang kaya idrive yng MA speakers
any speakers can be matched sa HK
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 20, 2004 at 10:59 AM
Daemon_S,

Pre proud owner HK avr and match with MA B4.. ganda galing...hehhee
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 20, 2004 at 10:18 PM
Daemon_S,

Pre proud owner HK avr and match with MA B4.. ganda galing...hehhee

lakas  talagang manghawa nang SARS nito ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jan 21, 2004 at 10:59 AM
lakas  talagang manghawa nang SARS nito ;D


ehehehe buti na lang wala akong pera ehehehehe, yun lang ang advantage nang walang pera lol ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 21, 2004 at 11:05 AM
Courage,

sir musta na.. idol kita sa HK hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Jan 21, 2004 at 11:24 AM
j_albert,

Nagbabalik ang HK SARS... may bagong strain nanaman... namely 130 and 330. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: timawa on Jan 21, 2004 at 12:55 PM
hello everyone! I need your help, specially those who have been using the new HK330

Just would like to know if the HK 330 would be able to drive my Audience 70 since my Dyns are rated at 4 ohms...I'm planning to upgrade my old Sony STR DB930 receiver....I'm also considering the Denon 2803

Also would you know the price range of HK330?

Appreciate your help...thanks :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 21, 2004 at 06:35 PM
j_albert,

Nagbabalik ang HK SARS... may bagong strain nanaman... namely 130 and 330. ;D ;D ;D

oo nga kaakit akit yong bagong HK astig yong dating.... ;D "anyone who awant to buy HK 2550" parang gusto ko na ito post e
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Jan 21, 2004 at 06:37 PM
Pre,

Nakow! Mukhang matindi ang tama sa iyo... B4 at 330!! ;D

oo nga kaakit akit yong bagong HK astig yong dating.... ;D "anyone who awant to buy HK 2550" parang gusto ko na ito post e
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 21, 2004 at 06:42 PM
sssssssssh pre wag kang maingay 130 wala pa naman lumalabas na 7.1 na DVD  sa market tsaka na lang 330
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Jan 21, 2004 at 06:46 PM
Puwede!!!!!!!!! ;D

HK130 + B4!! PANALO!! ;D

sssssssssh pre wag kang maingay 130 wala pa naman lumalabas na 7.1 na DVD  sa market tsaka na lang 330
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 21, 2004 at 08:28 PM
Puwede!!!!!!!!! ;D

HK130 + B4!! PANALO!! ;D

tama ka dyan ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 22, 2004 at 01:47 AM
hello everyone! I need your help, specially those who have been using the new HK330

Just would like to know if the HK 330 would be able to drive my Audience 70 since my Dyns are rated at 4 ohms...I'm planning to upgrade my old Sony STR DB930 receiver....I'm also considering the Denon 2803

Also would you know the price range of HK330?

Appreciate your help...thanks :D

Im getting a 330 very soon. Its 30 plus but visit Architectural Audio to get the exact price.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 22, 2004 at 02:17 AM
Im getting a 330 very soon. Its 30 plus but visit Architectural Audio to get the exact price.

congrats in advance wowowow ganda nyan tamang tama sa bago nyo house ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 22, 2004 at 02:24 AM
Hindi naman bago ang house ko. Mga projects ko yon.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: toshiba on Jan 22, 2004 at 02:36 AM
hello everyone! I need your help, specially those who have been using the new HK330

Just would like to know if the HK 330 would be able to drive my Audience 70 since my Dyns are rated at 4 ohms...I'm planning to upgrade my old Sony STR DB930 receiver....I'm also considering the Denon 2803

Also would you know the price range of HK330?

Appreciate your help...thanks :D

hi timawa, you can call architectural audio at 8116715 later and ask nico or epoy if the hk & denon can drive your speakers. they carry both brands anyway... :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 22, 2004 at 12:51 PM
Levi,

Swerte naman nun client mo sir...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jan 22, 2004 at 01:09 PM
heard the hk130 with music, ganda tumunog.... nice looking receiver too, soon to audition it for movies naman... ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 22, 2004 at 01:46 PM
heard the hk130 with music, ganda tumunog.... nice looking receiver too, soon to audition it for movies naman... ;D

SARS!!!!!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jan 22, 2004 at 01:55 PM
Courage,

sir musta na.. idol kita sa HK hehehe

Oi pre oks lang, kaw musta na din, ehehehe eto still enjoying my HK puro music nga lang kasi ala nang pambili nang DVD's ehehehehe

Rear speaker na lang kulang ko
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 22, 2004 at 03:45 PM
courage,

Thats good news pre ako din lean towards audio love the Hk sound + tono preamp  :o :o.. for rear ko sony mini compo speaker lang hehehe pero ok din..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: timawa on Jan 22, 2004 at 05:39 PM
Thanks levi for the info...

Toshiba its black, pero sorry pare but I told my wife the reason why I'm upgrading is so that I can give my old receiver to my Dad...good reason to upgrade huh?   ;D  

Are there any other stores beside Architectural Audio and Spectra that sell HK.?..Oh I've also been to Image at Harrison, kaya lang what they're selling are older models of HK
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Jan 23, 2004 at 11:40 AM
heard the hk130 with music, ganda tumunog.... nice looking receiver too, soon to audition it for movies naman... ;D

Malakas bang tumunog ang HK 130? 45 watts/channel lang kasi.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jan 23, 2004 at 01:05 PM
Are there any other stores beside Architectural Audio and Spectra that sell HK.?..Oh I've also been to Image at Harrison, kaya lang what they're selling are older models of HK
in ortigas area..

accoustical space.. 5/F megamall.. beside informatics..
soundroom.. 5/F podium

hth,
sebman
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jan 23, 2004 at 01:23 PM
Malakas bang tumunog ang HK 130? 45 watts/channel lang kasi.

Yes, dont under estimate the power of HK ;). Pag sinabing 45 watts 45 watts talaga yan or more.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 23, 2004 at 01:27 PM
Malakas bang tumunog ang HK 130? 45 watts/channel lang kasi.
malakas talaga ang hk. pero best thing is to test it side by side other receivers. thats what i did  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: toshiba on Jan 23, 2004 at 02:13 PM
Malakas bang tumunog ang HK 130? 45 watts/channel lang kasi.

the 130's power rating means it can give an honest full bandwidth (20hz-20khz) 45 watt signal to all 5 speakers at the same time, coninuously. many other receivers may be rated 100x5 but they're only capable of providing a very easy to produce 100 watt 1 khz signal one at a time to each speaker, not all of them. hk's are said to be one of the few receivers that can drive even the most demanding speaker loads... :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: BuLLeT on Jan 23, 2004 at 02:43 PM
Hi people.

Let me share you a story that happened last night.

I asked a couple of my friends to acompany me to search an SS integrated amplifier to power the MS 914 speakers that I intended to buy to put up an entry level 2 channel set up.

1st stop:

We went to a second hand market hoping to find a decent Int. amp that I could use for a few months before I purchase another AVR.

We went around the market and the result was negative.

We then decided to proceed to the city to canvass for new units and contemplate if it will fit the budget.

2nd Stop: MF / NAD Dealer

We just stayed for a few minutes here since the salesman said the price the NAD C320BEE was around PHP 18,550.00.

We did not bother to ask the higher models.

3rd Stop. ARCAM/Cambridge Audio/ MS Speakers Dealer

We then auditioned the 914 that I was thinking of buying with an ARCAM Alpha 7 int. amp. It was able to drive the 914 at loud volume.

The thing is the amp is still too high for my intended budget (quoted price is around Php 28,000.00)

At that point, we decided to grab some chow to satisfy our hunger and frustration.
While on the way to the food joint, I saw that there was a beehive of activities at the HARMAN Showroom and I thought that FPJ was campaigning there ;D.

Then, we decided to find out what the buzz is all about.
When, we reached inside, I asked a fellow what was going on and he said that they have a clearance sale.

Prices were cut by almost 50% according to the salesman.

All of the Infinity and JBL Speakers (European Models and made in Denmark) are on sale and so with HK AVRs & CD players.

I saw that the price of the 3550 was about PHP 15,000.00

I then thought that since it is a bargain , I might as well buy this one to provide me with two channel amplification and then upgrade to a 5.1 set up to be put in the master bedroom.

So, even if I'm not intending to buy an AVR at that time, I was tempted to buy because of the good price for this magnificent AVR.

I also took home a pair of this:

(http://international.jbl.com/home/products/images/products_large/lx2004.jpg)
at the price of a Diamond 8.4


I was initially targeting this:
(http://international.jbl.com/home/products/images/products_large/XTI60.jpg)
higher only by Php 500.00 than the first one

The only thing that made me decide to get the 1st one was that during the demo, i did not like the sound of this xti series ( maybe due to wrong configuration in the amp etc . since a different amp was used than the 1st pair above and even the Kappas sounded awful when they switched the speakers)

I was not that familiar kasi with the European models that's why I chose the first one instead of the second pair since they sounded very good during the demo and filled the huge room with heart thumping sound.

But, at the back of my mind, I still want that hexagonal speakers hehehe.

There are also large Infinity Kappa Floorstanders ( not the new series but the European series with hexagonal cabinet) going for around Php 18K.

Hope you can welcome me here since I will be asking a lot of questions later on.

Thanks for your patience
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: BuLLeT on Jan 23, 2004 at 02:46 PM
I forgot to mention that I am in the Eastern part of KSA. Sorry.

I bought the items in Al-Khobar area.

Ther are also Ref. size Infinity & JBL Speakers costing PHP 28,000.00 only.



Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Jan 23, 2004 at 02:58 PM
courage, insan skeeter, toshiba

thanks for the info, isip-isip :-\ ulit kung anong avr ang bibilin ko.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: akyatbundok on Jan 23, 2004 at 03:03 PM
congrats sa jbl/hk combo, sir bullet!

i wish we can buy stuff like that at those prices!!!  paging all audio dealers.  ;D  ;D

btw, i think when it comes to good ol' rock & roll, JBL bows to no one.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: BuLLeT on Jan 23, 2004 at 03:15 PM
Thanks Akyat,

Actually idol kita eh at gagayahin ko ang path mo na surplus amps and MS speakers. I was set to buy n talaga yung MS if may nakita ako na second hand Amp last night kaya lang wala at yung bigla tuloy napabili ng 3550 ng di oras.

Pero iniisip ko pa rin yung Xti na speaker na unang pinili ko. napaka sturdy ng cabinet kaya lang di napatunog ng maayos inis nga ako dun sa Indiano ayaw pagalaw yung controls ng AVR na ginagamit nya. Kaya yun yung isa tuloy nabili ko kasi nga ganda tumunog and double woofer na rin sya.

I'll tinker with them later on. and I love those Kappas

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 23, 2004 at 04:23 PM
Bullet,

Grabe buti dyan nagsale hehehe dito sir sa pinas nagsale pero mukhang di sale yun price hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 23, 2004 at 04:40 PM
kimosabe,

Sir don't under estimate the force.....







este power pala ng HK... hehehehe audition lang muna compare the 45watts Harman with any 80 to 100 watts AVR of the same price hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: BuLLeT on Jan 23, 2004 at 04:47 PM
Hans,

By coincidence lang yung pag buy ko kasi di rin sila nag advertised and wala ding signs sa store nakita ko lang na ang daming Pinoy sa loob na very unusual kasi most of the time eh hindi tumitingin dun kasi mataas din mag price yung store.

Naka mindset ako for the MS914 and any integrated amp.
 
I was beaten nga to an HK HD720 CD player nas Php 6K yata ang price.

Yung HK 1550 nasa PHP 10K yata

Meron din sila na mga power amp siguro di ko na lng tiningnan kasi no money na ko.

OT;
May infinity rin na 5.1 set up na mini speakers + Sub nasa 9K pero they can play loud and they are giving away free stands na nun.

 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 23, 2004 at 04:50 PM
Bullet,

Wow sayang yun HK cd player maganda ata yun sir.. for the price preowned na yun dito sa pinas pre..  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: toshiba on Jan 23, 2004 at 05:05 PM
courage, insan skeeter, toshiba

thanks for the info, isip-isip :-\ ulit kung anong avr ang bibilin ko.

anytime kimosabe...just choose the receiver that sounds right to your ears, easy for you to use, fits the budget, and (for me) looks good on your rack/in your room... :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: timawa on Jan 23, 2004 at 05:13 PM
in ortigas area..

accoustical space.. 5/F megamall.. beside informatics..
soundroom.. 5/F podium

hth,
sebman

Thanks sebman, appreciate it...I might go there this weekend
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: BuLLeT on Jan 23, 2004 at 05:17 PM
Bullet,

Wow sayang yun HK cd player maganda ata yun sir.. for the price preowned na yun dito sa pinas pre..  ;D ;D

Yup mukhang sayang nga eh pero di siguro talaga para sa kin pero there was another model which is the HD710 costing Php 700.00 less than the 720 model.
Sayang kabitan ko sana ng WS pre-amp na pipapadala ko here by summer of this year.

Ang bagsak ko nito CD player surplus sa pier pag uwi ko hehehe. ;D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: timawa on Jan 23, 2004 at 05:18 PM
Just curious bros, can the hk330 accommodate 2 subwoofers?  I'm contemplating on adding a second sub for a more earth shaking home theater experience :D

Medyo mahirap kasi makita dun sa illustrated back panel sa site ng HK...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jan 23, 2004 at 05:23 PM
Just curious bros, can the hk330 accommodate 2 subwoofers?  I'm contemplating on adding a second sub for a more earth shaking home theater experience :D

Medyo mahirap kasi makita dun sa illustrated back panel sa site ng HK...


Hmm. medyo malaki yung image  ng back panel ng HK...
http://www.harmankardon.com/back.asp?prod=AVR%20330&cat=REC&sType=C

Anyway, isa lang ang pre-out for subwoofer ng HK 330 pero basically pwede kang gumamit ng Y connector.

HTH.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: BuLLeT on Jan 24, 2004 at 12:34 PM
Guys,

What's the max volume level of the 3550? ???

Thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: AudioAmp on Jan 24, 2004 at 03:03 PM
Have any of your compared Hk to NAD?  Just a thought... because I am in the same boat of looking for a receiver and someone mentioned NAD being warmer.  I presume you all like warm sound given that HK is on that side...

:)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 25, 2004 at 12:53 AM
Any 330 owner? Please share a review.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jan 25, 2004 at 08:09 AM
Guys,

What's the max volume level of the 3550? ???

Thanks.


+8db sir.  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 25, 2004 at 08:46 AM
+8db sir.  ;D
+10 ata sir baka may naka bias pa  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: BuLLeT on Jan 25, 2004 at 12:28 PM
Mr. James & Mr. Jalbert,

Thanks for the info. Kasi hangang mga -20 pa lang ako sa pag break at medyo loud na sya. Hindi ko pa masyado ma i-set up ng husto yung mga settings (hangang 2 channel audio pa lang ako).

Aga kasi matulog ng room mate ko eh >:(

Anyway mga 2 hours pa nga lang yung break in time ng speakers ko and ok naman sa kin yung mids & highs at medyo yung bass indi pa masyado lumalabas.

Wait pa ko siguro ng mga ilang weeks. ;)

Thanks again.

 
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: obey on Jan 25, 2004 at 04:50 PM
Got to hear the AVR 330 paired with AE bookshelves at Spectra last friday :D  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JEDLO on Jan 25, 2004 at 06:47 PM
I forgot to mention that I am in the Eastern part of KSA. Sorry.

I bought the items in Al-Khobar area.

Ther are also Ref. size Infinity & JBL Speakers costing PHP 28,000.00 only.





Where in Al-Khobar did you buy your items ? I am working in Jubail & last week I was in Khobar looking where I can buy an HK.

I'm planning to bring it home next week but I guess it's too late na. :-[ Anyway, I'll be back after 3 weeks & hopefully the sale is still ongoing.  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: BuLLeT on Jan 25, 2004 at 08:57 PM
Where in Al-Khobar did you buy your items ? I am working in Jubail & last week I was in Khobar looking where I can buy an HK.

I'm planning to bring it home next week but I guess it's too late na. :-[ Anyway, I'll be back after 3 weeks & hopefully the sale is still ongoing.  :)

Hi Jedlo,

I bought it in the JVC Showroom near the hukay hukay area where some Filipino restaurants are located.

I suggest that you better ther quickly since they are selling fast. Where are you in Jubail? You can PM me your number so that I can discuss it with you further.

Good Luck!!!! :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 26, 2004 at 07:57 AM
I got my hk 330 last thursday, I suppose I'll share some of my thoughts.

Was love at first -audition- for me, I loved how the HK 330 sounded with the Monitor Audio Bronzes and I never did find an equivalent that sounded as nice to me (veeery subjective).  Admittedly, I tried a limited number of speakers to go with the 330 (Mission, Acoustic Energy, KEF) and in the end, the MA B's still did it for me.

I'll focus on the receiver itself:  it looks good, loved the old 2550, 3550, 5550 and i loved these newer models even better.  I'm a sucker for blue lights on stuff so the blue backlight on the volume control was a big plus.  I loved the two tone aspect as well.

Connectionwise, this is why I chose the 330 over the 130: preamp out.  Admittedly, I'll probably not use this feature for a long time to come, but I'll probably want to connect it to a headphone amp one of these adys, I'd like to have that option ready at least.  Component switching was another plus for me, as well as optical/coax in and out (though this was present in the 130 as well).

The remote was hefty, lights up when you press the buttons.  I have to say, as my first receiver remote, it was pretty daunting.  I know how to change the volume, set up speakers and such, but I've yet to get into the more advanced functions (such as programming the remote for tv use).

Displaywise, the receiver's face-plate screen was pretty adequate.  I've yet to use the receiver's OSD function, but when I tested it in spectra, the display text in the bottom is very 'shakey', like it would not sit still and keeps moving from side to side.  The OSD menu itself was less susceptible to this.  I'm thinking it might have something to do with PAL/NTSC compatibility issues.

The volume levels start at -80 to 10? (just read it a few posts up).  I regularly listen to it at the -30 to -20 level, without going over -20.  Was plenty loud to me.  I'm only using fronts and centre at this time though, so I'm not sure if this is indicative to the amount of power the receiver can put out.

As for the DSPs,  I tried Stereo, 3 channel Dolby Digital, DPLII, VMAX, DTS and I did not encounter anything odd or unusual.  I haven't done much critical listening, but after 4 days, I've no complaints.  You can hear the differences between DSPs and Surround Modes though, especially VMAX.

I would have gotten the 230, if it were available, as the price is better (lower) for me and it had all of the connections available to the 330 (except 7.1 I think).  Not sure about EZset, but that's another thing I liked about the 330 (but I've yet to figure it out as well :>).

One last thing: this thing is heavy!  Had a difficult time moving it around, as it was very heavy and I was being extra careful.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 26, 2004 at 08:51 AM
Gren,

Pre congrats sa Hk 330 mo!! ganda yan sir.. and welcome to the club hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 26, 2004 at 10:01 AM
thanks hans :>

you guys did well to recommend this setup to the readers here.  can't express how thankful i am that i managed to find this site.  otherwise, i'd probably end up using a mini component, hehe.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Jan 26, 2004 at 10:16 AM
Congrats on your 330! Enjoy! ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 26, 2004 at 10:48 AM
wow wow wow wow wow wow wow hk330!!  :o :o congrats bro and welcome to the hk club!! told ya the hk's power wont disappoint you  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: BuLLeT on Jan 26, 2004 at 12:31 PM
Another very happy & contented HK user ;D

Enjoy & Congratulations on your purchase :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 26, 2004 at 12:56 PM
you wont regret  ;D ;D kailan ba pwede ma audition yan ? ;) siguro pwede mag host nang EB
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Jan 26, 2004 at 01:11 PM
Is there a marked difference between the previous HK and the new ones, e.g. 2550 vs 130 in terms of performance? Pa post naman comparison for those lucky enough to have upgraded already. Thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 26, 2004 at 03:56 PM
yep, happy and contented is what I am.  i waited 3 months, saving and researching.  no thanks to you guys, i've made the right (but expensive) decision :>

i'm still not done though.  i'm currently deciding between a b4 or a sub, or heck, a b6, hehehe.  As it is, the B2s give great bass :>
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: timawa on Jan 26, 2004 at 06:02 PM
Hmm. medyo malaki yung image  ng back panel ng HK...
http://www.harmankardon.com/back.asp?prod=AVR%20330&cat=REC&sType=C

Anyway, isa lang ang pre-out for subwoofer ng HK 330 pero basically pwede kang gumamit ng Y connector.

HTH.
Thanks bro...Y connector....hindi ba yan makaka degrade ang signal?

Pero baka I'll just buy a new sub...my old one is the ASW-500 by b&w, medyo mahina na at luma.  I just read in Home Theater magazine that it is an ideal to put it two subs kaya i got curious.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 26, 2004 at 06:11 PM
Gren,

B4 will provide you lots of bass we have witness that last Saturdays listening session at Sir Narayan house.. we played drum test cd and it totally rocks the house pre.. kung B6 WOWOW pwede if you have a big big room sir..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JEDLO on Jan 26, 2004 at 07:47 PM
Hi Jedlo,

I bought it in the JVC Showroom near the hukay hukay area where some Filipino restaurants are located.

I suggest that you better ther quickly since they are selling fast. Where are you in Jubail? You can PM me your number so that I can discuss it with you further.

Good Luck!!!! :D

Thanks for the info bullet .... :) You can text/call me at 052777582 so we can discuss more about your setup.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: BuLLeT on Jan 26, 2004 at 08:44 PM
Thanks for the info bullet .... :) You can text/call me at 052777582 so we can discuss more about your setup.

Brod,

Tried to call you but your mobile is off.

I don;t actually have a set up here. What I have is an HK receiver and a piar of JBL speakers. I don't even have a decent CD player hehehe/ Catch the sale while it is still on.

Pag inabot ng sweldo yun after the holidays sigurado ubos yun ;D.

May complete set up ako sa Phil. but a different AVR and a different set of speakers. ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jan 27, 2004 at 09:27 AM
I got my hk 330 last thursday, I suppose I'll share some of my thoughts.

Was love at first -audition- for me, I loved how the HK 330 sounded with the Monitor Audio Bronzes and I never did find an equivalent that sounded as nice to me (veeery subjective).  Admittedly, I tried a limited number of speakers to go with the 330 (Mission, Acoustic Energy, KEF) and in the end, the MA B's still did it for me.

I'll focus on the receiver itself:  it looks good, loved the old 2550, 3550, 5550 and i loved these newer models even better.  I'm a sucker for blue lights on stuff so the blue backlight on the volume control was a big plus.  I loved the two tone aspect as well.

Connectionwise, this is why I chose the 330 over the 130: preamp out.  Admittedly, I'll probably not use this feature for a long time to come, but I'll probably want to connect it to a headphone amp one of these adys, I'd like to have that option ready at least.  Component switching was another plus for me, as well as optical/coax in and out (though this was present in the 130 as well).

The remote was hefty, lights up when you press the buttons.  I have to say, as my first receiver remote, it was pretty daunting.  I know how to change the volume, set up speakers and such, but I've yet to get into the more advanced functions (such as programming the remote for tv use).

Displaywise, the receiver's face-plate screen was pretty adequate.  I've yet to use the receiver's OSD function, but when I tested it in spectra, the display text in the bottom is very 'shakey', like it would not sit still and keeps moving from side to side.  The OSD menu itself was less susceptible to this.  I'm thinking it might have something to do with PAL/NTSC compatibility issues.

The volume levels start at -80 to 10? (just read it a few posts up).  I regularly listen to it at the -30 to -20 level, without going over -20.  Was plenty loud to me.  I'm only using fronts and centre at this time though, so I'm not sure if this is indicative to the amount of power the receiver can put out.

As for the DSPs,  I tried Stereo, 3 channel Dolby Digital, DPLII, VMAX, DTS and I did not encounter anything odd or unusual.  I haven't done much critical listening, but after 4 days, I've no complaints.  You can hear the differences between DSPs and Surround Modes though, especially VMAX.

I would have gotten the 230, if it were available, as the price is better (lower) for me and it had all of the connections available to the 330 (except 7.1 I think).  Not sure about EZset, but that's another thing I liked about the 330 (but I've yet to figure it out as well :>).

One last thing: this thing is heavy!  Had a difficult time moving it around, as it was very heavy and I was being extra careful.

Wow another satisfied HK owner, ull love it dude congrats ehehehe

Ull experience years of satisfaction ehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 27, 2004 at 09:51 AM
hans,

yeah, i'm leaning more towards getting a b4 now, auditioning subs is an exercise in frustration :P ang hirap pakinggan kung ano ang mas ok.

the MA sub wasn't bad, it just doesnt go deep enough i suppose.  i'm not even sure if that's the problem, or maybe it just wasn't positioned right (spectra has such a tiny space).

well, i'm not going to hurry this one. i'm still enjoying my 3 pc setup at the moment :> fun fun.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 27, 2004 at 12:02 PM
Gren,

Wait till its full broken in and fully enjoy the music  ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: JEDLO on Jan 27, 2004 at 02:44 PM
Brod,

Tried to call you but your mobile is off.

I don;t actually have a set up here. What I have is an HK receiver and a piar of JBL speakers. I don't even have a decent CD player hehehe/ Catch the sale while it is still on.

Pag inabot ng sweldo yun after the holidays sigurado ubos yun ;D.

May complete set up ako sa Phil. but a different AVR and a different set of speakers. ;)

I doubt if may matira pa sa akin pagbalik ko  :-[  I'll be leaving this Thursday na  ;D ....

Anyway, sa atin na lang siguro ako bibili ....... Planning to buy HK330 with matching MA B4..... PM mo naman number mo para pagbalik ko I'll try to get in touch with you ...... :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: AudioAmp on Jan 27, 2004 at 04:14 PM
Just wondering about the prices of AVR 130 and 330 here in pinas?  Care to share?

How about the AVR 230?  If you look at the US site it is so much better value than the AVR 130 because of the pre-out, more surround systems, better remote, more power for only $100 more.  However i read or i hope misread that they wont market that unit here :(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 27, 2004 at 11:43 PM
I got my hk 330 last thursday, I suppose I'll share some of my thoughts.

Was love at first -audition- for me, I loved how the HK 330 sounded with the Monitor Audio Bronzes and I never did find an equivalent that sounded as nice to me (veeery subjective).  Admittedly, I tried a limited number of speakers to go with the 330 (Mission, Acoustic Energy, KEF) and in the end, the MA B's still did it for me.

I'll focus on the receiver itself:  it looks good, loved the old 2550, 3550, 5550 and i loved these newer models even better.  I'm a sucker for blue lights on stuff so the blue backlight on the volume control was a big plus.  I loved the two tone aspect as well.

Connectionwise, this is why I chose the 330 over the 130: preamp out.  Admittedly, I'll probably not use this feature for a long time to come, but I'll probably want to connect it to a headphone amp one of these adys, I'd like to have that option ready at least.  Component switching was another plus for me, as well as optical/coax in and out (though this was present in the 130 as well).

The remote was hefty, lights up when you press the buttons.  I have to say, as my first receiver remote, it was pretty daunting.  I know how to change the volume, set up speakers and such, but I've yet to get into the more advanced functions (such as programming the remote for tv use).

Displaywise, the receiver's face-plate screen was pretty adequate.  I've yet to use the receiver's OSD function, but when I tested it in spectra, the display text in the bottom is very 'shakey', like it would not sit still and keeps moving from side to side.  The OSD menu itself was less susceptible to this.  I'm thinking it might have something to do with PAL/NTSC compatibility issues.

The volume levels start at -80 to 10? (just read it a few posts up).  I regularly listen to it at the -30 to -20 level, without going over -20.  Was plenty loud to me.  I'm only using fronts and centre at this time though, so I'm not sure if this is indicative to the amount of power the receiver can put out.

As for the DSPs,  I tried Stereo, 3 channel Dolby Digital, DPLII, VMAX, DTS and I did not encounter anything odd or unusual.  I haven't done much critical listening, but after 4 days, I've no complaints.  You can hear the differences between DSPs and Surround Modes though, especially VMAX.

I would have gotten the 230, if it were available, as the price is better (lower) for me and it had all of the connections available to the 330 (except 7.1 I think).  Not sure about EZset, but that's another thing I liked about the 330 (but I've yet to figure it out as well :>).

One last thing: this thing is heavy!  Had a difficult time moving it around, as it was very heavy and I was being extra careful.

Thanks for sharing. I have decided to get the 330 also. I heard it at Arch Audio and it is indeed very good. I ordered but it will only be available by Thurs so for the meantime, no watching muna because I already gave my Denon 1803 to my client.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Jan 28, 2004 at 07:26 AM
doodle:

yeah, its a shame they don't have the 230 available as of yet.  if it were available, i'd get it instead as the connections i needed are already present there. na-over budget tuloy ako.

well, at least you'll have the option of 7.1 with the 330 :>

as for prices:
130 - 20k
330 - 31k
i'm guessing the 230 would've been at 25k.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 28, 2004 at 10:21 AM
Thanks for sharing. I have decided to get the 330 also. I heard it at Arch Audio and it is indeed very good. I ordered but it will only be available by Thurs so for the meantime, no watching muna because I already gave my Denon 1803 to my client.
galing nman sir. pag mag upgrade ka pwede agad ksi you have clients na kukuha ng extra gear mo. nice job too. ako siguro enjoy na enjoy doing that, setting up audio/ht for others. hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: AudioAmp on Jan 28, 2004 at 10:23 PM
oh... i thought the 330 is about 40K since it is priced at $799 while the 230 is $549 and 130 is $449.

Not a bad deal then if the difference is 11k for the 330.  Wait what is the advantage of the 330 over the 230 other than the 7.1?  More power?  I really do not need 7.1 since there wont be space for extra speakers he he he
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jan 28, 2004 at 11:10 PM
gren,

congrats on your equipment... can't go wrong with that... ;D

HK/MA All the Way!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 29, 2004 at 01:08 AM
galing nman sir. pag mag upgrade ka pwede agad ksi you have clients na kukuha ng extra gear mo. nice job too. ako siguro enjoy na enjoy doing that, setting up audio/ht for others. hehehe

Not all the time I can sell to them my gears. It just so happen my present client is not too picky so he said its OK for him. I enjoy building HT for others because I get to try out different rooms and setup. Sometimes, I even buy the equipment for them and I can play with it for the mean time. If my present client gave me a bigger budget, I will also get a Harman-B&W setup for him. Maybe for his dream house he might give me a bigger budget after experiencing the HT I built for him. Tamaan din sana ng SARS.  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 30, 2004 at 12:26 AM
Got na my HK but no time to install.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Jan 30, 2004 at 12:53 AM
congrats sir levi on your new toy.  :D sayang sir, di ka nakapunta last saturday at narayan's place. all of us were waiting for you. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 30, 2004 at 09:07 AM
Levi,

Congrats sir!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Jan 30, 2004 at 11:47 AM
Congrats!! ;D

Got na my HK but no time to install.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Narayan on Jan 30, 2004 at 12:01 PM
congrats levi... kindly post your impressions sa unit later. thanks :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 31, 2004 at 12:17 AM
Initial impression, I would say its a very good receiver. Coming from a Denon 1803 which is also a very good receiver, I still see big improvements. Of course the Denon is a lot cheaper than the HK but feature wise the HK is a lot better. The main reason I changed is the way it handles the sound for HT, " Iba umikot ang sound " . Give this receiver a try if you are planning to buy.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 31, 2004 at 01:33 PM
Levi,

Sir iba talaga ang HK sa HT with power my force talaga.. :D :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: BuLLeT on Jan 31, 2004 at 02:04 PM
Some Impression on my HK 3550:


I got the receiver last week together with a pair of JBL floorstanders.  Since I do not have a CD player yet. I hooked it up with the generic China made VCD player of my room mate just to test it . I've been doing some testing for an hour a day for the last week and the sound was quite anemic.

The power is there but the slam & the dynamics were absent. Harry Connick Jr. sounded like Renz Verano with a terrible hang over and Destiny's Child sounded like the back up singers of Marc Logan.

I really suspected that it has to do with the CD player. Well, I went out again to just look for the JBL PB12 since it is on sale. We went to the shop and to my disappointment, they were all sold out. The HK DVD players on sale caught my eyes. They are the DVD 21 & 25 models. We asked the salesman regarding the multi region capability of the players and he was not able to give his assurance. The DVD availalbe for testing is only for R2 and no R3 or R1 was available.

So, we went to the Pioneer shop to tale a look at the slim DV 366 model. I asked the salesman to put an audio CD to listen to it's output. Well, as per my ears, it gave out a decent sound through the Pioneer floorstanders.

Then, I said to the salesman that it's OK. Then my friend asked me if I liked it, I said yes although the player lacks the DD & DTS decoders. Then my friend said that I can take it. Whew,  I said are you sure and he said yes and he will pay for it as a token for his appreciation on some help I was providing to his work.

Fast forward to the room.

After unpacking it, I immediately connected the player to the CD in of the HK AVR without bothering any set up adjustments in the DVD player.

I popped in a Dire Straits CD and played the "Love Over Gold" Live track. Voila........ The difference was mid night to mid day form the previous VCD player. All the details were now present and the attack of the kick drums and the tom toms were very clear.  I was in awe at the sound it was producing. The volume is still at -33Db and it already filled our small room.

I am now very happy & contented with the sound & performance of my gears. Cant' test it with a DVD since I don't have a single DVD here.. hehehe.

Long way to go from here as you can see:

Associated Gears

HK 3550 AVR
Pioneer DVD 366
JBL LX 2004 Speakers
JAMO 2mm speaker wires (Single run Connected to HF)
Generic Interconnects for Analog in
Home Burned CDs and MP3s ( Can't wait to get good sources)  

A lot more room for tweaking.. hehehe :D






Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Feb 01, 2004 at 01:18 AM
sir levi, blade and bullet,

congrats sa mga new HK owners!!!!  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: casper on Feb 02, 2004 at 09:47 AM
Sino nasa Singapore? Available na ba dyan ang HK230?any idea on the price?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 02, 2004 at 10:16 AM
Blade,

Congrats pala sir.. HK 330 wowowow! :o :o
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 02, 2004 at 10:22 AM
Guys,

Ganda talaga ng HK 330 paired with MA or AE both detailed and warm ang music pop, rock, and jazz pwede lahat.. ;D ;D yun HK130 parang type ko hehehe

J_albert,

Alin mauuna HK130 o yun EVo3??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Feb 02, 2004 at 10:58 AM
kahit ano madali lang pag may pera na tsaka ako magdedecide ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 02, 2004 at 11:02 AM
J_albert,

balitaan mo kami ah... ingit akoooo!!



WAG WAG SARSSSS!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Feb 02, 2004 at 11:07 AM
syanga pala another HK owner na rin si JVM pare welcome to HK/MA club ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 02, 2004 at 11:09 AM
JVM,

jess congrats ha sir... welcome to the club..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Feb 02, 2004 at 01:40 PM
congrats jvm .. welcome to club..  :D

j_albert22.. congrats in advance..  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 02, 2004 at 03:55 PM
Sebman,

Si J_albert di makatulog sa bagong Hk and speaker na type nya hehehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Feb 02, 2004 at 04:06 PM
Sebman,

Si J_albert di makatulog sa bagong Hk and speaker na type nya hehehehe

ot.. pre kaya nga nde na makakapag-hintay yan.. within this week.. me bago nang speakers yan..  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Feb 02, 2004 at 11:26 PM
congrats kay jvm and ndotcom... ;D

j_albert, SARS ba???? heheheh

sayang idol sebman, di ka nakasama last sat... di bale, meron pa naman ibang sessions...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jvm on Feb 03, 2004 at 10:21 AM
Thank you.

Iba talaga ang lakas ng HK. Yong 60W x 5 ng 3550 parang 110Wx5 yata ng ibang receivers. Buhay na buhay ang scenes pag dvd.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Feb 03, 2004 at 10:39 AM
For those interested in knowing how HK 330 performs with a console (Xbox in this case), here are my impressions:

Even with a 3 speaker setup (B2 + BCentre), playing games like Deus Ex: Invisible War lets you hear 3d effects pretty effectively.  You can tell if a sound comes from behind or directly in front of you.  Of course, this doesn't beat having surrounds, but it does great regardless.

While me and my friend were playing Dynasty Warriors 4 using split screen, positional audio was even more pronounced (i wouldn't go as far as saying its realistic, but it does the job of telling you if the sound came from the front or from behind).  Even while the sound effects were filling up the room, you can still hear each and every effect distinctly.  

I've tried the different surround options: DPL2, Logic7, VMAX, Dolby Stereo 3 and they're pretty effective at what they do.  I usually play with DPL2 though for movies, DTS is still where it's at (its much louder than Dolby Digital, which seems to make peopl think it sounds better than DD, me included).

I suppose, in my case, both the speakers and the receiver are working in tandem in presenting excellent '3d sound'.  The bronzes are very accurate and the HK 330 processed signals from the Xbox really well.  I'd have to say that, coming from PC speakers (creative FPS2000, the best 4.1 solution for its time) and PC sound cards like SB Live (I'd like to try the Audigy 2 one of these days), the HK+MA combo presented a huge improvement when it comes to gaming (cost notwithstanding of course :> you do get what you pay for).
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Feb 04, 2004 at 02:36 PM
For those interested in knowing how HK 330 performs with a console (Xbox in this case), here are my impressions:

Even with a 3 speaker setup (B2 + BCentre), playing games like Deus Ex: Invisible War lets you hear 3d effects pretty effectively.  You can tell if a sound comes from behind or directly in front of you.  Of course, this doesn't beat having surrounds, but it does great regardless.

While me and my friend were playing Dynasty Warriors 4 using split screen, positional audio was even more pronounced (i wouldn't go as far as saying its realistic, but it does the job of telling you if the sound came from the front or from behind).  Even while the sound effects were filling up the room, you can still hear each and every effect distinctly.  

I've tried the different surround options: DPL2, Logic7, VMAX, Dolby Stereo 3 and they're pretty effective at what they do.  I usually play with DPL2 though for movies, DTS is still where it's at (its much louder than Dolby Digital, which seems to make peopl think it sounds better than DD, me included).

I suppose, in my case, both the speakers and the receiver are working in tandem in presenting excellent '3d sound'.  The bronzes are very accurate and the HK 330 processed signals from the Xbox really well.  I'd have to say that, coming from PC speakers (creative FPS2000, the best 4.1 solution for its time) and PC sound cards like SB Live (I'd like to try the Audigy 2 one of these days), the HK+MA combo presented a huge improvement when it comes to gaming (cost notwithstanding of course :> you do get what you pay for).
congrat pare you get the best Reciever.. happy viewing and listening
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 04, 2004 at 04:23 PM
JVM,

Ganda HK sir.. the big switch!!! hehehee ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jvm on Feb 04, 2004 at 04:32 PM
JVM,

Ganda HK sir.. the big switch!!! hehehee ;D ;D

Korek ka diyan, lalong lumabas ang ganda ng B2, parang nawala ang SARS ko na mag B4 dahil sa nailabas ng 3550 ang bass ng B2. Pati DTX na sub ko nabuhay. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: p@rekuy on Feb 05, 2004 at 03:36 PM
Just been to Digital Dreams at SM City Cyberzone the other day and i was able to audition both HK4550 and the AVR130, all i can say is the AVR130 sounded warmer than the HK4550 both on flat settings, tested both reciever on a JBL Floorstanders.

Its true Sir JVM, HK has a warmer sound but try to audition also the AVR130, you might surprise yourself on hearing the difference of these line of recievers!  :o

And one of guys there offered me that he can give the AVR130 for Php20,+ if it will be acquired on a cash basis!

And offered me these also:

HK2550 Php18,000
AVR330 Php31,000

what do you think guys?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Feb 05, 2004 at 03:53 PM
Just been to Digital Dreams at SM City Cyberzone the other day and i was able to audition both HK4550 and the AVR130, all i can say is the AVR130 sounded warmer than the HK4550 both on flat settings, tested both reciever on a JBL Floorstanders.

Its true Sir JVM, HK has a warmer sound but try to audition also the AVR130, you might surprise yourself on hearing the difference of these line of recievers!  :o

And one of guys there offered me that he can give the AVR130 for Php20,+ if it will be acquired on a cash basis!

And offered me these also:

HK2550 Php18,000
AVR330 Php31,000

what do you think guys?

imho id say go with the newer version.. if budget permits go with the 330... its already 7.1, hence its upgrade proof..   ;D  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: audi0slave on Feb 05, 2004 at 03:56 PM
try Architectural Audio or Spectra and save a few bucks.... they sell the HK 130 @19.9K

medyo mahal mag-presyo dyan sa Digital Dreams

 ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Feb 05, 2004 at 04:22 PM
have the same experience when i bought my hk avr at the soundroom in podium.. prices were much cheaper compared to their dealers namely spectra and architectural audio.. but since podium is much accesible for me rather than going in makati.. what i did was informed the salesman that their dealers are giving 15% discount as opposed to the 10% they are giving in a cash basis.. and voila, purchased it at 15% discount..  ;D  ;D btw soundroom,digital dreams and accoustical space are all connected to beyond innovations, beyond is the mother company.. according to the salesman.. fyi  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: audi0slave on Feb 05, 2004 at 04:37 PM
tama ka dyan sebman... those three stores you mentioned are dogs with the same collar..... isama mo pa dyan yung Audio X....
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Feb 05, 2004 at 04:53 PM
imho id say go with the newer version.. if budget permits go with the 330... its already 7.1, hence its upgrade proof..   ;D  :D

no news on the hk230? if they did sell it here i would bet that most would buy these instead of the 130 or the 330.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 05, 2004 at 05:44 PM
Cousin skeeter,

Hk230 hope would be nicely price para naman ma-afford natin.. ::) ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Feb 06, 2004 at 10:05 AM
Cousin skeeter,

Hk230 hope would be nicely price para naman ma-afford natin.. ::) ::)

Hans,

R u planning for an Upgrade  :)?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 06, 2004 at 10:12 AM
courage,

just thinking sir... pero malabo siguro ::) ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Feb 06, 2004 at 09:47 PM
HK/MA All The Way!!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Feb 07, 2004 at 09:59 AM
courage,

just thinking sir... pero malabo siguro ::) ::)

pre wala nang isip isip... upgrade na..  ;D  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dexterc on Feb 07, 2004 at 06:04 PM
Kelan kaya mag co comment si bro blade dito?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Feb 07, 2004 at 06:30 PM
Ayaw ata ilabas sa kahon ni Blade baka magasgasan
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Blade on Feb 08, 2004 at 08:30 AM
Ayaw ata ilabas sa kahon ni Blade baka magasgasan

hehehe....
mamaya ko pa lang i-setup yung HK....
medyo napadalas ang eb kaya gabi na ako nakakauwi...
bro dex/sand...na-miss namin kayo nila isak/diamond oks yung new place nila...sked natin ulit yung audition sa place nila...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: dexterc on Feb 09, 2004 at 07:55 AM
He!!he!! sayang nga eh..hanggang ngayon sama ng pakiramdam ko  :( next time sama talaga ako kahit masama pakiramdam
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Feb 09, 2004 at 09:42 AM
had the chance to listen and compare a hk 330 and a NAD stereo amp (not sure about the model) running a klipsch rf-15.  i'd have to say that i actually heard differences in the sound output: the hk sounded warmer, and some details seemed to be glossed over.  nothing muffled or anything, it's just like touching porcelain vs touching an eggshell, with the NAD being the eggshell.

this is just in passing though, and these were my initial impressions.  this is probably the first time i've heard differences in output from receivers (as compared to speakers, which is more obvious, especially to a newbie like myself).
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Feb 09, 2004 at 10:56 AM
Bro Blade,

Kinuha mo na pala yung HK na ini-audition nyo sa AA last friday.... :D :D :D What speakers did you plan to match it? Ok yan ganda ng HK.... ;D ;D ;D

Nice meeting you bro.... 8) 8) 8)


hehehe....
mamaya ko pa lang i-setup yung HK....
medyo napadalas ang eb kaya gabi na ako nakakauwi...
bro dex/sand...na-miss namin kayo nila isak/diamond oks yung new place nila...sked natin ulit yung audition sa place nila...

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: MJ-JM on Feb 09, 2004 at 12:44 PM
mga sirs,

Any thoughts on the phantom center of harman? wala pa po kasi ko center. I noticed na mahina compared to onkyo... using evo3 for fronts and wharf for surrond.. thanks...

sir gren,
salamat.... nice meeting you din...

HTNovice
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Feb 09, 2004 at 02:08 PM
tried vmax? i think that's for 2 speaker config.  i'm pretty satisfied with hk even without using a centre speaker.  but this is usually for music, so i'm not sure how effective this is for movie viewing.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Blade on Feb 09, 2004 at 03:07 PM
Any thoughts on the phantom center of harman? wala pa po kasi ko center. I noticed na mahina compared to onkyo... using evo3 for fronts and wharf for surrond.. thanks...

go to speaker setup...
set center ch to NONE...
enjoy...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: the_real_napster on Feb 09, 2004 at 03:35 PM
Quote from: HTNovice on Today at 12:44:50pm
Any thoughts on the phantom center of harman? wala pa po kasi ko center. I noticed na mahina compared to onkyo... using evo3 for fronts and wharf for surrond.. thanks...
 
 

go to speaker setup...
set center ch to NONE...
enjoy...

im not sure if mag phantom effect pag ganyan ..wala lang center..bat dont think it would sound as if theres a virtual center..i tried it before.. although i could be wrong
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: MJ-JM on Feb 09, 2004 at 06:32 PM
sir gren, blade, the_real_napster

Thanks for the quick reply. I already configured the center to none, no complaints sa audio (superb...) but in movies, mahina yung dialogues, minsan parang nawawala and 'ngo-ngo' when setting to DD or DTS.. kung VMAX medyo ok naman...

HTNovice
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 10, 2004 at 10:31 AM
HTnovice,

Have experience that before nun wla ako center.. kaya buy ka na center since most dialogue comes from center channel.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: ndotcom on Feb 10, 2004 at 11:40 AM
Hi HK veterans,

May I post here?

I have just acquired my HK130 e 8.3 palang po speakers ko so stereo lang muna ko and used it mostly sa music which is superb. My question is why do i get only 48Khz displayed when I play audiophile CDs which labeled 192/24 is there I need to set-up on the AVR?

I am using Pioneer DV-555k player and optical out.
CD - XRCD 192Khs/24bit "Shelly"

thanks
N_dot
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Feb 10, 2004 at 12:14 PM
Hi HK veterans,

May I post here?

I have just acquired my HK130 e 8.3 palang po speakers ko so stereo lang muna ko and used it mostly sa music which is superb. My question is why do i get only 48Khz displayed when I play audiophile CDs which labeled 192/24 is there I need to set-up on the AVR?

I am using Pioneer DV-555k player and optical out.
CD - XRCD 192Khs/24bit "Shelly"

thanks
N_dot

bro,

read in another thread, sa sources siguro, that some players intentionally downmix the digital output to 48/24 to make sure that the output is not the exact duplicate of the source to due to piracy concerns. some say that if your player has 192/24 dacs, it would be better if you connect via the analog outs (rca) for full conversion from digital to analog. just make sure you use good interconnects. this is just my understanding of the matter, though im not so sure myself :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: MJ-JM on Feb 10, 2004 at 12:44 PM
HTnovice,

Have experience that before nun wla ako center.. kaya buy ka na center since most dialogue comes from center channel.

yaiks, mukhang magpapahinga muna ko... la na budget for a center mga 5 months pa uli... baka di na ko papasukin ni manager. :'(
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Feb 11, 2004 at 07:41 AM
put one of your surrounds as your centre? hehe. i dont know, it might be worth a shot.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: MJ-JM on Feb 11, 2004 at 08:48 AM
sir gren, sundin ko payo mo... kaya lang di sigurado magma-match.. ill use my very old philips surround... hehehe  ;D

another question, when playing mp3 on my dvd player.. it does not output thru digital connection, analog lang. On the AVR, my default is digital coax... lagi ba na i have to manually set the connection to analog to hear the music? di po ba automatic detection like in other avrs?

thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 11, 2004 at 09:16 AM
HTnovice,

Sir if you have one player for Audio and HT you can connect them separately like kung audio connect it thru analog CD in tapos yun HT naman digital sa DVD in.. unlike kasi sa ibang AVR na auto detect..  
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: jvm on Feb 11, 2004 at 09:32 AM
sir gren, sundin ko payo mo... kaya lang di sigurado magma-match.. ill use my very old philips surround... hehehe  ;D

another question, when playing mp3 on my dvd player.. it does not output thru digital connection, analog lang. On the AVR, my default is digital coax... lagi ba na i have to manually set the connection to analog to hear the music? di po ba automatic detection like in other avrs?

thanks

This is what I did with my set-up: I only have a dvd player. It is used for dvd and for cd/mp3/vcd. I connect its digital ouput via optical cable. I also connect its analog output to the analog cd-in.

Next, assign the connections for each source. Select DVD as source, and assign the connection as optical/coax connection. Then select CD as the source, assign analog  as the connection. You will only do this one time.

After doing this, you can now just select the source and the appropriate connection is automatically detected.

So if you watch movies, select dvd as source, and it will connect thru optical/coax.

If you like to listen to music CDs and you want it connected thru analog, select CD as source.

If you want your cd to output via digital, select dvd even if you're just playing cd. Or select CD as source if you like to listen to concert DVDs in stereo.

Same is true for mp3's.

Did I make myself understood? I hope this helps. :)

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: MJ-JM on Feb 11, 2004 at 12:20 PM
This is what I did with my set-up: I only have a dvd player. It is used for dvd and for cd/mp3/vcd. I connect its digital ouput via optical cable. I also connect its analog output to the analog cd-in.

Next, assign the connections for each source. Select DVD as source, and assign the connection as optical/coax connection. Then select CD as the source, assign analog  as the connection. You will only do this one time.

After doing this, you can now just select the source and the appropriate connection is automatically detected.

So if you watch movies, select dvd as source, and it will connect thru optical/coax.

If you like to listen to music CDs and you want it connected thru analog, select CD as source.

If you want your cd to output via digital, select dvd even if you're just playing cd. Or select CD as source if you like to listen to concert DVDs in stereo.

Same is true for mp3's.

Did I make myself understood? I hope this helps. :)



Hi sir,

Thanks for the reply... this is how my set up is configured as well. i guess di talaga autodetect ng signal. pero ok lang kasi HK rocks!

Thanks,
HTNovice
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: BuLLeT on Feb 11, 2004 at 02:57 PM
Hi sir,

Thanks for the reply... this is how my set up is configured as well. i guess di talaga autodetect ng signal. pero ok lang kasi HK rocks!

Thanks,
HTNovice

My set up is the same with JVM. I only have a Pioneer DVD player connected to my HK and with only two front speakers.

DVD -> digital optical (assigend)
CD  -> Analog out      (assigned)

I can switch playing audio CDs with either using DVD or CD as the source with no problem.

When I choose the DVD as source palying an audio CD. The AVR detects it as PCM.

Thanks.

No
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 14, 2004 at 01:44 PM
Guys,

Balita sa price ng 4550 and 5550 nagdrop kaya??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Feb 15, 2004 at 10:09 AM
Guys,

Balita sa price ng 4550 and 5550 nagdrop kaya??

same pa rin
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 16, 2004 at 11:31 AM
Zakkaz,

Thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: PapaJom on Feb 19, 2004 at 11:31 AM
Gone to spectra the other day and learn that HK130 bass crossover can be adjusted.. Hk130 owners can anyone confirm?? thanks
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Feb 19, 2004 at 01:31 PM
you can check the hk website for the downloadable manual, you should be able to confirm this for yourself.  the hk 130 is found in the american hk site though (and not the usual international, at least, not the last time i checked).  i'm pretty sure it does though, just not 100% :>
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Feb 22, 2004 at 08:34 AM
you can check the hk website for the downloadable manual, you should be able to confirm this for yourself.  the hk 130 is found in the american hk site though (and not the usual international, at least, not the last time i checked).  i'm pretty sure it does though, just not 100% :>


any other comment in this AVR
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: MJ-JM on Feb 22, 2004 at 07:50 PM
Gone to spectra the other day and learn that HK130 bass crossover can be adjusted.. Hk130 owners can anyone confirm?? thanks

sir,

adjustable po crossover nya from 200 down to 40 hz. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 23, 2004 at 02:36 PM
Htnovice,

Wow ok yan kung budget sub lang kaya mo pwede mo i-tune sa bookshelf or floorstander mo..

Redmagic,

Congrats sa HK 130 mo...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: redmagic on Feb 23, 2004 at 05:29 PM

yehey!  :) :) :)

thanks H&F  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Feb 24, 2004 at 02:25 AM
Did you remove the plastic coating on the face plate of your HK?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: MJ-JM on Feb 24, 2004 at 08:15 AM
Did you remove the plastic coating on the face plate of your HK?

ako i never remove the plastic coating, kahit po nung onkyo pa..  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Feb 24, 2004 at 08:21 AM
i didn't remove mine either, but paranoia dictates the receiver might heat up so bad one day and melt the plastic, fusing it to the face plate.  yep, me and my imagination.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Feb 24, 2004 at 10:12 AM
Did you remove the plastic coating on the face plate of your HK?

Nope ehehehe, kahit pangit kasi parang puro scratches :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Feb 24, 2004 at 10:40 AM
don't remove it.. for good resale value..  ;D i don't know with the american models.. but the international models that comes in black gets easily marked...  :)  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 24, 2004 at 11:25 AM
JVM,

congrats HK 130 pala masyado kang tahimik sir..

Guys,

Tried to remove the plastic before pero mabilis magasgas even sa soft brush ma-scratch konti.. kaya better not remove it.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: redmagic on Feb 24, 2004 at 11:47 AM

haven't removed the plastic coating yet. hesitant to remove it. baka maluma agad hehehe!  ;D

though may konti scratch na nga eh.  :'(  accidents happen haaay!!

sebman's right, para good resell value. just in case.  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 26, 2004 at 09:15 AM
Jvm,

Pre review naman sa HK130 mo.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: random on Feb 26, 2004 at 05:57 PM
mga sir, ano po ba ang kalevel ng Onkyo TX SR601 sa Harman Kardon?

Maraming Salamat! :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: gren on Feb 27, 2004 at 07:34 AM
mga sir, ano po ba ang kalevel ng Onkyo TX SR601 sa Harman Kardon?

Maraming Salamat! :)

hk 230, which should be about 25k (or between hk130 which is 20k and hk 330, which is 30k+).

its not available here though (at least, last i checked).
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: random on Feb 27, 2004 at 09:55 AM
thanks gren!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 27, 2004 at 11:34 AM
ramdom,

Sir try to audition them kung pwede side by side the better. try mo listening in style sa shangrila i think they carry both brands..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 27, 2004 at 11:39 AM
guys,

heard from a friend na mas ok itong new models ng HK soundwise and feature eh lamang mmmh dapat ma-audition ulit. ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: alita on Feb 27, 2004 at 06:37 PM
out of curiosity, are the new HK models (130 & 330) being sold in manila at the moment 220v or 110v?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: random on Feb 27, 2004 at 07:37 PM
ramdom,

Sir try to audition them kung pwede side by side the better. try mo listening in style sa shangrila i think they carry both brands..
Thanks Hans & France! :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Feb 28, 2004 at 12:18 AM
Hi Guys,

Does anybody here has a setup of HK 330 paired MS914 speaker? Appreciate much if you can post a review.

Cheers!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Feb 28, 2004 at 10:14 AM
out of curiosity, are the new HK models (130 & 330) being sold in manila at the moment 220v or 110v?
220V
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Narayan on Feb 28, 2004 at 09:40 PM
Hi Guys,

Does anybody here has a setup of HK 330 paired MS914 speaker? Appreciate much if you can post a review.

Cheers!



bro,  

if you already own an HK330 and you want to audition it with a fully broken in MS914, we can arrange that in my place. just pm me. :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: redmagic on Mar 02, 2004 at 04:55 PM

question? what floor standing speaker match well (tama ba term?) will HK 130?

may i know your biased opinion guys?  bias kasi i know you have different set-up.  ;D just want to hear from you guys as im using a bookshelf. para mapaghahandaan ko na floor standing fronts.  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Mar 02, 2004 at 05:43 PM
bro,  

if you already own an HK330 and you want to audition it with a fully broken in MS914, we can arrange that in my place. just pm me. :)

Hi Bro, thanks for the offer but I'm out of the country for now and still eyeing to have this AVR when I'm back. It has a good reviews, features and looks. Likewise, I'm looking for a good speaker to match on this AVR and I'm considering the MS914, MA's and B&W 300 series. Probably, I might be settle down to MS914 for having a good price for floorstanders otherwise I might be getting the bookshelf's only from the other two brands because their floorstanders cost way beyond my budget.:-)


Cheers!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 02, 2004 at 06:32 PM

question? what floor standing speaker match well (tama ba term?) will HK 130?

may i know your biased opinion guys?  bias kasi i know you have different set-up.  ;D just want to hear from you guys as im using a bookshelf. para mapaghahandaan ko na floor standing fronts.  ;D


pre maraming pagpipilian but 1st e yong buget mo kung hanggang saan  ;) ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 07, 2004 at 05:25 PM
J_albert,

Congrats pala sa bagong bago mong toys.... kala ko ba speaeker muna sir..





HK 130 na... wowow!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 07, 2004 at 05:34 PM
redmagic,

Floorstander to match with HK avr?? mmh Dai-ichi, Wharf diamond 8.3/ 8.4, Monitor Audio B4, Mordaunt Short 914, Mission M73i / M74i or B&W pre all the speaker i mention can match well with HK now its up to you to choose what music and sound you like.. meron dyan laidback or upfront meron high and bass or meron mid lang anong gusto mo sir. lahat sila kanya kanyang qualities..


Floorstander what to expect para sa akin sir eh big sound.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 07, 2004 at 06:36 PM
J_albert,

Congrats pala sa bagong bago mong toys.... kala ko ba speaeker muna sir..





HK 130 na... wowow!!

shhhhhhhhhhh wag kang maingay ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Mar 08, 2004 at 12:24 AM
shhhhhhhhhhh wag kang maingay ;D ;D

j_albert22

congrats pre, sa bago mong toy. daming moolah!!!!! ;D ;D. Lupit ng bago nating laruan, puyatan nanaman ito. ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: alanski27 on Mar 08, 2004 at 01:47 AM
j_albert,

sarap na naman mag leave nyan
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 08, 2004 at 02:51 AM
j_albert,

sarap na naman mag leave nyan

wala na ko  leave ;D ;D kaw bili ka na AE EVO3
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 08, 2004 at 09:58 AM
Sebman,

Sir Hk cd player na ba?? dapat magkaroon na ng session ulit cd player naman.. calling ST president Kimpao baka pwede na yan cdp mo.. hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Mar 08, 2004 at 11:06 AM
APRUB!!!!! mga bosing! Sige, cdp naman. kelan at san ba ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Mar 08, 2004 at 02:18 PM
cge mga repapeepss.. session na.. cdp naman ba.. ;D  :D

congrats sa 130 mo j_albert22.. at sa iniisip mong upgrade ng speakers..  ;D  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Mar 08, 2004 at 02:26 PM
Congrats boss j_albert... lufet ng AVR mo!! ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Mar 08, 2004 at 06:09 PM
does anyone know the going rate for HK5500?

 :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Mar 08, 2004 at 09:07 PM
magagamit ko na ulit sa wakas iyung hk5500 ko. 2months ko lang nagamit iyon but now na pauwi na ako galing abraod, yehey it's time to rock again....imagine watching dvd's in playstation and  just tv for almost 1 year here in uae. ang tagal kong nagtiis ng wala iyong bayo ng subwoofer at siempre ng walang amp or receiver....tuloy na ang ligaya.... ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 09, 2004 at 09:08 AM
enygma,

Welcome and safe back home sir.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Narayan on Mar 09, 2004 at 12:55 PM
does anyone know the going rate for HK5500?

 :)



parang nararamdaman ko may "mabuting" balak ka naman bro ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Mar 09, 2004 at 01:08 PM
magagamit ko na ulit sa wakas iyung hk5500 ko. 2months ko lang nagamit iyon but now na pauwi na ako galing abraod, yehey it's time to rock again....imagine watching dvd's in playstation and  just tv for almost 1 year here in uae. ang tagal kong nagtiis ng wala iyong bayo ng subwoofer at siempre ng walang amp or receiver....tuloy na ang ligaya.... ;D

ehehehehe nice bro. ako nga andito lang sa pinas at nasa bahay lang HK ko nde ko pa nagagamit lol, wala na akong pambili nang DVD ehehehe pati CD lol, kaya nood na lang nang TV ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Mar 09, 2004 at 02:01 PM
parang nararamdaman ko may "mabuting" balak ka naman bro ;D ;D ;D


nagtatanong lang - may interesado kaya sa 2nd hand na HK5500?  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Superman on Mar 09, 2004 at 02:09 PM
nagtatanong lang - may interesado kaya sa 2nd hand na HK5500?  ;)

uy bro...pag-usapan natin yan... 8)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Mar 09, 2004 at 02:16 PM
magagamit ko na ulit sa wakas iyung hk5500 ko. 2months ko lang nagamit iyon but now na pauwi na ako galing abraod, yehey it's time to rock again....imagine watching dvd's in playstation and  just tv for almost 1 year here in uae. ang tagal kong nagtiis ng wala iyong bayo ng subwoofer at siempre ng walang amp or receiver....tuloy na ang ligaya.... ;D

yahoo pauwi ka na uli ako rin eh pag nandito walang gumagamit, bagay kahit nandoon ako di ko rin magamit ;D

sama tayo sa EB kina Superman sa 18 April Tube listening session yon
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Mar 09, 2004 at 02:38 PM
nagtatanong lang - may interesado kaya sa 2nd hand na HK5500?  ;)

ang bilis nyo nman ma hawaan ng sars. upgrade again to hk330? 430? nad? carver? sunfire? hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Mar 09, 2004 at 04:33 PM
uy bro...pag-usapan natin yan... 8)

check it out pre  :)

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=20526

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: redmagic on Mar 09, 2004 at 04:42 PM
redmagic,

Floorstander to match with HK avr?? mmh Dai-ichi, Wharf diamond 8.3/ 8.4, Monitor Audio B4, Mordaunt Short 914, Mission M73i / M74i or B&W pre all the speaker i mention can match well with HK now its up to you to choose what music and sound you like.. meron dyan laidback or upfront meron high and bass or meron mid lang anong gusto mo sir. lahat sila kanya kanyang qualities..


Floorstander what to expect para sa akin sir eh big sound.



sir hans thanks!

contemplating on either a floorstander or sub kasi. right now im using evo1. pero pag iipunan ko muna  ;D

based on your (biased?) listening experience what matches well with your HK? i'll appreciate your feedback.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 10, 2004 at 09:09 AM
Redmagic,

Monitor Audio B4 for me..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Mar 12, 2004 at 08:47 AM
tried my Tono preamp on the HK5500's amp in last night, and woh! The sound opened up  :) :)

this is making me reconsider selling... but guess i'll just leave it in the marketplace in case someone wants it  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Mar 12, 2004 at 10:20 AM
Tama ka jan pre! Kya nga ko love ko HK5500 ko lalo na when connected to tono preamp. Magic di bah!!!! ;) ;) ;)


tried my Tono preamp on the HK5500's amp in last night, and woh! The sound opened up  :) :)

this is making me reconsider selling... but guess i'll just leave it in the marketplace in case someone wants it  :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Mar 12, 2004 at 12:09 PM
Tama ka jan pre! Kya nga ko love ko HK5500 ko lalo na when connected to tono preamp. Magic di bah!!!! ;) ;) ;)

hmmmm... pwede ko pa pala i-biwire speakers ko by using all 4 amp ins (FL,FR,SR,SL) kailangan ko lang ng RCA - Y splitter sa preamp  :) :) :)

matesting nga  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Mar 12, 2004 at 11:28 PM
yahoo pauwi ka na uli ako rin eh pag nandito walang gumagamit, bagay kahit nandoon ako di ko rin magamit ;D

sama tayo sa EB kina Superman sa 18 April Tube listening session yon

musta na ang set-up mo? all b&w na ba ang speakers mo? balik trabaho na lang ako sa pinas kasi mas enjoy ako diyan kaysa dito. iba rin talaga makahomesick iyung wala kang home theater set-up dito. hehehehe ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Mar 12, 2004 at 11:32 PM
ehehehehe nice bro. ako nga andito lang sa pinas at nasa bahay lang HK ko nde ko pa nagagamit lol, wala na akong pambili nang DVD ehehehe pati CD lol, kaya nood na lang nang TV ;D

at least pwede mos iayng gamitin anytime na may bago kang dvd. ako talagang wala as in tv lang talaga dito. may balak ka bang magupgrade ulit? musta na pala ang set-up mo esp. your speakers. napalitan na ba?  ???
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 14, 2004 at 05:34 PM
J_albert,

Pre ganda pala ng HK130 mo initial impression ko when I was at your house... soundwise pre ibang iba sya..

Congrats pala sa B4 mo sir.. pogi yan sir!! wowowow.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 14, 2004 at 06:30 PM
panay papuri mo pero ikaw mas malufetttttttttttt sir sana wag na magabago kahit break-in na  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 14, 2004 at 06:42 PM
J_albert,

Sir OT tayo dapat dun sa kabila hehehe pero wish ko rin wag na magbagoooo.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Mar 15, 2004 at 12:38 AM
j_albert,

Congrats nga pala sa BAGO mong HK 130.
And B4.

Bagay jan sa HK130 mo iyong may "30" din na number. Like Pacific EVO 30. ;D

cheers.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Mar 15, 2004 at 12:51 AM
j_albert,

Congrats nga pala sa BAGO mong HK 130.
And B4.

Bagay jan sa HK130 mo iyong may "30" din na number. Like Pacific EVO 30. ;D

cheers.

j_albert,

upgrade kaagad sa EVO30. Ahehehehehe ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 15, 2004 at 01:00 AM
j_albert,

upgrade kaagad sa EVO30. Ahehehehehe ;D ;D

grabe naman di pa nag iinit yong MA tsaka ok na ok na sakin to all around kahit san mo daanin kayang kaya d ba boss kimpao idol ko ;) eeee kaya scott sir magkano ba ngayon?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 15, 2004 at 09:15 AM
J_albert,

Mr magic touch dapat eh magpa gulaman ka bago B4 mo eh.. ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Mar 15, 2004 at 09:44 AM
pagulaman ka na pre... new B4 and 130....  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 15, 2004 at 10:23 AM
Sebman,

Upgrade na ulit hehehe  ::) pre you should audition the HK 130 galing sir. bka ma-SARS ako ha hehehe.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Mar 15, 2004 at 02:42 PM
Sebman,

Upgrade na ulit hehehe  ::) pre you should audition the HK 130 galing sir. bka ma-SARS ako ha hehehe.

pre walang money pang-upgrade..  ;D  :D masubukan yang 130 na yan..   ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Mar 15, 2004 at 03:58 PM
boss kimpao.. many thanks don sa DIY ic.. professional looking ka talaga bumanat..  pwede nating ibenta..  ;D  :D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 16, 2004 at 03:16 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
boss kimpao.. many thanks don sa DIY ic.. professional looking ka talaga bumanat..  pwede nating ibenta..  ;D  :D

pwede bang pagawa nang sampung dosena  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 16, 2004 at 09:02 AM
J_albert,


akin 3 dozen please...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Mar 16, 2004 at 02:07 PM
Kawad ng MERALCO, gusto nyo? Mataba tumunog yun. ;D ;D ;DMwehehehehehe.  joke only mga sirs. I'll be doing a couple  over the weekend dahil gusto  ko rin palitan yung ic nung tono at cdp, ay OT na tayo  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 17, 2004 at 11:45 AM
Kimpao,

si sebman may binabalak sa HK nya??  ::)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Mar 17, 2004 at 12:22 PM
alin hk, yung cdp o yung avr. alam mo naman yan si sebman hk/ma all the way yan. upgrade nanaman ba? dami moolah ni sebman ah, kaya pala di umaattend ng session, gumagawa ng atik pang upgrade.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 17, 2004 at 12:31 PM
ST kimpao,


pssst balita ko avr ata ang next to upgrade... i can smell a Hk130????



330 na!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: redmagic on Mar 19, 2004 at 01:46 PM
redmagic,

Floorstander to match with HK avr?? mmh Dai-ichi, Wharf diamond 8.3/ 8.4, Monitor Audio B4, Mordaunt Short 914, Mission M73i / M74i or B&W pre all the speaker i mention can match well with HK now its up to you to choose what music and sound you like.. meron dyan laidback or upfront meron high and bass or meron mid lang anong gusto mo sir. lahat sila kanya kanyang qualities..


Floorstander what to expect para sa akin sir eh big sound.



Sir H&F,

As you mentioned earlier that Hk matches well with a lot of speakers, can you give me you feedback on the sound of the following:

HK + B&W
HK + Mission M series
HK + MA B4
Hk + AE Evo3
HK + MS 914

i hope this is not too much to ask, but your feedback is of great help to me. so are the other members who have experienced these floorstanders. help please. i am currently laboring in choosing from these floorstanding speakers. (parang manganganak ah) ;D

So far heard Evo3 and Mission M33. B&W 602.5. my budget is around the AE & MA range.

Hmmmm Mission mura konti hehehe!  ;D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 19, 2004 at 02:06 PM
redmagic,

Hehehe actual all the list of speaker you and I mention are just fine with HK AVR.. but the meaning of fine to me does not answer to everbody IMHO..  like few months back we guys tried to side by side MS and MA speaker.. both speaker have there own merit and demerit but this does not mean na mas maganda yun isa o vice versa.. parang girls yan RICA o Maui o FRancine??? ano gusto mo its really your taste and budget.. but will try to give my honest to goodness reply..

HK + B&W - HT ok / audio kinda bright.
HK + Mission - HT ok / audio kinda bright
HK + Monitor Audio B4 - HT ok / audio ok
HK + AE evo 3 - HT ok / audio ok
HK + MS914 - HT ok / Audio ok

hope can be of help.. you can text me sir 0922-8061238 kung malabo hehehe..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Mar 19, 2004 at 02:08 PM
eh pano naman yung pacific evo 30 with hk? :-\
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 19, 2004 at 02:10 PM
ST kimpao,

Di ko na try hehehehe wala na yun HK ko huhuhuh..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Mar 19, 2004 at 02:11 PM
Ngek!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Mar 19, 2004 at 02:21 PM
E yung Wharfedale Diamond Series? Pair with HK 130. Maganda ba sa HT and Audio?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: redmagic on Mar 19, 2004 at 02:28 PM

thank you very much H&F! maaasahan ka talaga!
bilis pa sumagot.

office ka ba sir? hmmm.. pareho pala tayo ginagawa sa office pag ala boss hehehehe!  ;D ;D ;D

peace sir!!!!  :)

ay teka! dito na si boss!!!! ciao!!!  ;D

Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: indridcold on Mar 19, 2004 at 03:51 PM
E yung Wharfedale Diamond Series? Pair with HK 130. Maganda ba sa HT and Audio?

HK-wharf diamonds is a good start up combo. You will not regret it.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Mar 19, 2004 at 03:57 PM
ST kimpao,


pssst balita ko avr ata ang next to upgrade... i can smell a Hk130????



330 na!!

pre.. walang pera for an upgrade... nagtatanong lang po..  ;D  ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Mar 19, 2004 at 03:59 PM
ST kimpao,

Di ko na try hehehehe wala na yun HK ko huhuhuh..

pre meron pa namang 2550 a.. subukan mo kung kaya..  :)  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 19, 2004 at 04:11 PM
kimosabe,

indridcold is right match na match ang Wharf diamond and HK avr..

Sebman,

Sir wala na yun hk2550 ko...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 19, 2004 at 04:15 PM
redmagic,

pre nasa labas ako wala na ako sa office..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Mar 19, 2004 at 04:40 PM
Thanks indricold and Hans. Hintay ko na lang loan ko HK 130 na.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 19, 2004 at 04:43 PM
kimosabe,

Congrats in advance sa HK mo.. heard the HK130 kay J_albert ganda sir... warm sya sa music tapos malupit sa HT..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Mar 19, 2004 at 04:48 PM
HAH? bilis ah...
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: PapaJom on Mar 19, 2004 at 04:55 PM
How much HK130??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 19, 2004 at 05:03 PM
iceman,

di naman tumagal din hehehehe..


Papajom

sir 19+++ ata HK130 check out Spectra or Arch Audio..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 20, 2004 at 02:06 PM
Thanks indricold and Hans. Hintay ko na lang loan ko HK 130 na.  ;D ;D ;D

you got a rigth choice  ;) ;) ;D ;D congrat in advance :P
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 23, 2004 at 09:04 AM
J_albert,

review naman sir sa HK130 mo.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 23, 2004 at 12:39 PM
maganda HK 130 coz pwede kang makinig nang AM FM na naka DTS mode(nakakatuwa no ;D ;D) then regarding sa x-over you can set every channel from 200hz  to 40 hz so di mo masyadong mahahalata kung nakabuhay na yong sub mo....  ;D ;D ;D ;Dsa HK130 nawawala yong gap between the front speaker at  nang sub not like yon HK2550 ko dati pansin mo sa HT pareho cla its depend na lang sa setting mo
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Mar 23, 2004 at 01:55 PM
maganda HK 130 coz pwede kang makinig nang AM FM na naka DTS mode(nakakatuwa no ;D ;D) then regarding sa x-over you can set every channel from 200hz  to 40 hz so di mo masyadong mahahalata kung nakabuhay na yong sub mo....  ;D ;D ;D ;Dsa HK130 nawawala yong gap between the front speaker at  nang sub not like yon HK2550 ko dati pansin mo sa HT pareho cla its depend na lang sa setting mo

Ano gamit mong speakers? Thanks.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 24, 2004 at 09:09 AM
kimosabe,

B2 yun first speaker nya tapos nagupgrade lang lately sa B4..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 24, 2004 at 03:44 PM
kimosabe,

B2 yun first speaker nya tapos nagupgrade lang lately sa B4..

shhhh wag kang maingay pero maganda talaga B4 mo  ;) ;)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Mar 24, 2004 at 04:42 PM
Pre,

Di tumatanggap yang si Kimpao ng 2550... gusto niyan 330.  Kilala ko yan... ahehehe.. ;D ;D ;D

BOY PALDO!!

pre meron pa namang 2550 a.. subukan mo kung kaya..  :)  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Mar 24, 2004 at 04:56 PM
Pre,

Di tumatanggap yang si Kimpao ng 2550... gusto niyan 330.  Kilala ko yan... ahehehe.. ;D ;D ;D

BOY PALDO!!

330 ba kamo! Cge ba! ;D ;D ;D

langya ka [slayer] niyari mo nanaman ako. >:( ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 25, 2004 at 09:14 AM
Kimpao,

pre kala ko ba Evo 8 type mo ngayon HK330 tsk tsk tsk... dami mo moolah.. sir..
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Mar 25, 2004 at 09:47 AM
papalitan daw ng hk330 yung scott, ba't di ako papayag niyan, mwhehehehehehe ;D  tapos benta ko hk330 pang dagdag sa scott 299D o st70  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 25, 2004 at 09:49 AM
Kimpao,

wow ok na deal yan.. sino?? ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Mar 25, 2004 at 09:50 AM
di ko alam kay sebman pero, cige anytime anywhere ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Mar 25, 2004 at 10:47 AM
di ko alam kay sebman pero, cige anytime anywhere ;D ;D

nyekssss... bat nasama ako dyan pre... hehehe pag ganyan ba naman ang deal... go go go...  :D  ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Mar 25, 2004 at 12:43 PM
oopsss!!!! si [slayer] pala may pakana.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Mar 25, 2004 at 03:18 PM
Oh ano?! Swap na ba ang HK330 sa Scott mo!? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Mar 25, 2004 at 03:25 PM
yun nga eh, sino yung makikipag swap  ;D ;D ;D ahehehehhe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Mar 26, 2004 at 09:09 AM
Kimpao,

Ako swap tayo... hehehehe kaso ano naman swap ko??
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Mar 28, 2004 at 06:43 PM
meron na bang hk4550 dito? para kasing wala pa eh. puro iyung hk330 ang nababasa ko dito. sa abu dhabi kasi puro ito ang nakikita ko matched with jbl or infinity speakers. isang set-up bale ang benta doon kaya wala akong idea kung magkano siya kung receiver lang.... ???
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 28, 2004 at 06:47 PM
meron na bang hk4550 dito? para kasing wala pa eh. puro iyung hk330 ang nababasa ko dito. sa abu dhabi kasi puro ito ang nakikita ko matched with jbl or infinity speakers. isang set-up bale ang benta doon kaya wala akong idea kung magkano siya kung receiver lang.... ???

sir try nyo sa Spectra park square makati and look jim to be sure ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Mar 28, 2004 at 07:05 PM
sir try nyo sa Spectra park square makati and look jim to be sure ;D

tenks. naitanong ko lang naman. wala pa naman akong balak magupgrade ng receiver. oks na oks pa rin naman iyung hk5500 ko. kailangan pa ng break-in ito dahil isang buwan ko lang nagamit bago ako nagtrabaho sa abroad. speakers muna ang pagtutuunan ko ng pansin ngayon. ikaw, mukhang proud owner ka rin ng harman .... :)
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 28, 2004 at 07:10 PM
yes sir dati HK2550 combo with Monitor Audio B2 upgrade ako sa HK130 combo with Monitor audio B4.... ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Mar 28, 2004 at 07:20 PM
yes sir dati HK2550 combo with Monitor Audio B2 upgrade ako sa HK130 combo with Monitor audio B4.... ;D ;D

nice set-up...hehehe mukhang maganda talaga iyang monitor audio na iyan. kung di lang b&w ang speaker ko
baka  iyan na rin ang mabili ko. kaya lang sayang kung magiiba pa ako ng brand...what i'm planning right now is gawing all b&w ang speakers....next time baka hk330 na ang receiver mo dahil may SARS ka na... ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: vvt-i on Apr 06, 2004 at 12:12 AM
yes sir dati HK2550 combo with Monitor Audio B2 upgrade ako sa HK130 combo with Monitor audio B4.... ;D ;D

sir how's the HK130 B4 combo? i'm looking for an AVR that will bring out the best of my B4 but friendly on my pocket. ???

will be using it for 75%-audio/25%-video.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: [slayer] on Apr 06, 2004 at 11:32 AM
jetok

HK NA!!
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Apr 06, 2004 at 12:06 PM
sir how's the HK130 B4 combo? i'm looking for an AVR that will bring out the best of my B4 but friendly on my pocket. ???

will be using it for 75%-audio/25%-video.

Its not as pocket friendly as other recievers but very friendly to your ears that you wont feel anything in your pocket.
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: Happy Dads Vinyl Shop on Apr 06, 2004 at 02:41 PM
Its not as pocket friendly as other recievers but very friendly to your ears that you wont feel anything in your pocket.

sir Levi,
Napangiti naman ako sa quote mo :) :) :)
how could you say no to that..hehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: slayer on Apr 06, 2004 at 03:17 PM
Kaya mag HK ka na Bruce!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Apr 06, 2004 at 08:03 PM
sir how's the HK130 B4 combo? i'm looking for an AVR that will bring out the best of my B4 but friendly on my pocket. ???

will be using it for 75%-audio/25%-video.

tama si sir Levi regarding that but to my experience nag side by side kami ni jim sa spectra nang mga  reciever  together with yamaha, denon, onkyo at Harman kardon, then Harman ang nagustuhan ko sa lahat kay ako ngayon ay naka HK 130... so tangin advise ko try to listen muna bago ka magdecide oki  ;D ;D ;D IMHO
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: vvt-i on Apr 06, 2004 at 10:27 PM
thanks to your replies :D :D :D

actually HK is really the first on my list and have been thinking if i will get the 3550(85w x 5) or 130(45w x 5).  Sulit kaya price difference of 3550 of 2k-3k considering the the power is almost double over 130?  do you think there is a significant difference in terms of sound quality?
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 06, 2004 at 11:06 PM
thanks to your replies :D :D :D

actually HK is really the first on my list and have been thinking if i will get the 3550(85w x 5) or 130(45w x 5).  Sulit kaya price difference of 3550 of 2k-3k considering the the power is almost double over 130?  do you think there is a significant difference in terms of sound quality?

for me, better get the 3550 than the 130. since 3550 have more power than than the 130, it can drive your speakers well. mas maganda nga na almost equal o mas malaki iyung wattage ng amplifier mo kaysa sa speaker na gagamitin mo para mas lalong buo ang tunog niya. in your case, since you're planning to get the B4, which is 150 or 200 watts nga ba, mas maganda na kunin mo iyung 3550. di ka pa mabibitin di ba? but then again marami na rin yata ang may 130/B4 satisfied user ng combo na 'to , so it's better na sila na rin makasagot sa tanong mo. one thing is for sure is that you can't get wrong with an H/K...hehehe
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: 7Even on Apr 06, 2004 at 11:24 PM
Which ever you choose is a sure winner. 8) IMO, define your needs first. Make sure that the model you chose will definitely fit your requirements. There might be lots of features for a latest model but you have no use with it. SAYANG :-\
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Apr 07, 2004 at 12:59 AM
thanks to your replies :D :D :D

actually HK is really the first on my list and have been thinking if i will get the 3550(85w x 5) or 130(45w x 5).  Sulit kaya price difference of 3550 of 2k-3k considering the the power is almost double over 130?  do you think there is a significant difference in terms of sound quality?


its depend sa laki nang lugar mo kung malaki go for 3550 like nung lugar ko 4 x 4 meter lang ok na sakin yong 130 malakas na rin so nasa iyo yan kahit 45 watts lang ang 130 since lahat nang HK e continous power at one thing din ang nagustuhan ko e yong feature nang 130 na wala sa 3550 like  cross over setting per channel at ang maganda pa nito pwede kang makinig ng AM na nakaDTS mode  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: vvt-i on Apr 07, 2004 at 01:04 AM
will try to audition both to know what fits my taste. :P

thanks again for the feedback. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 07, 2004 at 02:16 AM
its depend sa laki nang lugar mo kung malaki go for 3550 like nung lugar ko 4 x 4 meter lang ok na sakin yong 130 malakas na rin so nasa iyo yan kahit 45 watts lang ang 130 since lahat nang HK e continous power at one thing din ang nagustuhan ko e yong feature nang 130 na wala sa 3550 like  cross over setting per channel at ang maganda pa nito pwede kang makinig ng AM na nakaDTS mode  ;D ;D ;D ;D

kaya mas safe na iyung 3550 ang kunin mo kasi magagamit mo pa rin siya up to medium size room. no need for an upgrade kung sakaling malipat ka sa malaking lugar di ba? what is an additional 2 to 3k pesos compared to 20k plus kung bibili ka ng bagong receiver ulit para magsuit siya kung malilipat ka sa malaking lugar....  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 12, 2004 at 06:19 AM
What's this audio drop-out problem i hear about the x30 series of HK AVR's?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 12, 2004 at 08:56 AM
Quote
actually HK is really the first on my list and have been thinking if i will get the 3550(85w x 5) or 130(45w x 5).  Sulit kaya price difference of 3550 of 2k-3k considering the the power is almost double over 130?  do you think there is a significant difference in terms of sound quality?


Sir correction alam ko yun 3550 is only 50 watts or so?? yun 5500 ang 85 watts.. ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: vvt-i on Apr 12, 2004 at 01:45 PM

 

Sir correction alam ko yun 3550 is only 50 watts or so?? yun 5500 ang 85 watts.. ;D


tama ka sir 3550 is (5 x 60watts) and (2 x 70watts), 20hz-20khz, @<0.07 THD, 80hms.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Apr 12, 2004 at 02:28 PM
got a 3550 paired with monitor audio B4.. ok for both ht/audio.. just don't listen to a tube amp..  :D  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Apr 12, 2004 at 02:30 PM
got a 3550 paired with monitor audio B4.. ok for both ht/audio.. just don't listen to a tube amp..  :D  ;D

pre, balita ko upgrade mo raw yang hk mo to 330. ;D  ala na pre, nakarinig na ng tubo yan. mwehehehehe

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Apr 12, 2004 at 04:52 PM


pre, balita ko upgrade mo raw yang hk mo to 330. ;D  ala na pre, nakarinig na ng tubo yan. mwehehehehe



pre walang pera.. saka kung me pag-iipunan man ako... de tubo na.. para sulit.. idol ko kayo ni Hans e...  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 12, 2004 at 08:51 PM
sebman,

Pre give tube another listen baka this time ma-hook ka na.. >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Apr 12, 2004 at 09:54 PM
sebman,

Pre give tube another listen baka this time ma-hook ka na.. >:D

Nga naman sebman. Tingnan mo si sir jetok, litong-lito na ngayon kung no ang uunahin tube amp ba o hk avr. >:D >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 12, 2004 at 10:01 PM
Kimpao,

pre musta pala yun IC mo?? hehehehe ok na ok ba..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Apr 12, 2004 at 10:02 PM
OT lang.

maganda pre!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: vvt-i on Apr 12, 2004 at 10:48 PM
got a 3550 paired with monitor audio B4.. ok for both ht/audio.. just don't listen to a tube amp..  :D  ;D

i agree with you sir pero itong si kimpao pinarinig saken yung st70-b4 and scott-b4 combo kaya im having sleepless nights....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 13, 2004 at 09:30 AM
Jetok,

Sir mahirap yan SARS attack!! pabalik balik yan kung di mo makuha ang tamang solution.. ::) ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Apr 13, 2004 at 10:12 AM


i agree with you sir pero itong si kimpao pinarinig saken yung st70-b4 and scott-b4 combo kaya im having sleepless nights....

yari ka na sir.... hahanap-hanapin mo na yung tunog ng tube...  ;D d bale paldo ka naman ata e.. peace sir..  O0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Apr 13, 2004 at 10:14 AM
sebman,

Pre give tube another listen baka this time ma-hook ka na.. >:D

pinag-iipunan at pinag-iisipan pa pre..  ;D mahirap talaga walang pambili e.. nde katulad ni ST Paldo.. peace ST kimpao...  O0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 13, 2004 at 10:39 AM
sebman,

Pre little boy paldo ka rin naman eh...  >:D >:D bili na!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Apr 13, 2004 at 11:20 AM
sebman,

Pre little boy paldo ka rin naman eh...  >:D >:D bili na!!

walang paldo pre... little boy lang... kayo ni kimpao idols ko e... de tubo...  ;D ako ga-sausage lang..  ;D yung SS amp ko ha..  >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Apr 13, 2004 at 12:39 PM
Andito na ba HK 230 sa atin?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Apr 13, 2004 at 12:45 PM

Andito na ba HK 230 sa atin?

Review rating link below. 9.7/10. In deutsche nga lang.


http://www.kieskeurig.nl/nl/review.nsf/id/8492085120676C86C1256E32004CA25E.htm
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 13, 2004 at 06:06 PM
Nels,

sir wla pa ata dito sa pinas yan..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 14, 2004 at 12:51 AM
Guys kumusta performance nang x30 series against the old x500 series? Im not thinking for an upgrade, nagtatanong lang lol ;D

Hans,

5500 pa rin ba yung iyo or na upgrade na? :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Apr 14, 2004 at 01:47 AM
Nels,

sir wla pa ata dito sa pinas yan..

Thanks Sir. I have a friend who's looking for one kasi.

Courage,

Naku, nag-downgrade si Hans from 5500 to 2550 to favor his Audio set-up.
Tama ba Sir Hans?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 14, 2004 at 10:04 AM
Nels,

Correct ka dyan pero wla na rin yun 2550 ko.. wla na akong HT setup.. audio na lang..


Courage,

Pre musta soundwise different favor ata yun x30 series warmer but the power is still there.. wla na HT setup after nagswap kami ni Iceman ng 5500 to 2550 + Hafler eh.. nag pure audio na ako. how your 5500??
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Apr 14, 2004 at 03:24 PM

Andito na ba HK 230 sa atin?

Review rating link below. 9.7/10. In deutsche nga lang.


http://www.kieskeurig.nl/nl/review.nsf/id/8492085120676C86C1256E32004CA25E.htm

hindi magkakaroon ng 230 dito
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 14, 2004 at 06:24 PM
Zakkaz,

Ha bakit naman kaya?? sino na ba local distributor ng HK??
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: slayer on Apr 14, 2004 at 06:27 PM
I doubt if Beyond Innovations won't bring this in if demands are there.

Zakkaz,

Ha bakit naman kaya?? sino na ba local distributor ng HK??
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 15, 2004 at 01:12 AM
Nels,

Correct ka dyan pero wla na rin yun 2550 ko.. wla na akong HT setup.. audio na lang..


Courage,

Pre musta soundwise different favor ata yun x30 series warmer but the power is still there.. wla na HT setup after nagswap kami ni Iceman ng 5500 to 2550 + Hafler eh.. nag pure audio na ako. how your 5500??

Wow nag pure audio ka na, nice ehehehe, well im still with my baby 5500, ganda pa rin tumunog, pati wharfs lalo gumaganda habang tumatagal, although im using it for music only, la na cash pambili nang DVD's ehehehe... i think im going to keep this baby ehehehe...Still looking for a cheap wharfs 8.1 for my surrounds

Medyo nangangarap ako nang HT for my room, maybe this time a Yammy RXV1400 ehehehe(Pangarap lang ha lol) or Maybe a power amp para magamit ko ang zone 2 features nang HK, for Audio in my room pero kailangan na naman nang speaker for that, pero sa ngayn pangarap pa lang yan lol ;D

So anong complete setup mo sa audio mo ngayn?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Apr 15, 2004 at 12:24 PM
Zakkaz,

Ha bakit naman kaya?? sino na ba local distributor ng HK??
i dont know y beyond innovation ang local distributor ng hk dto
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 15, 2004 at 05:05 PM
Guys,

Naku iba naman ba distributor ng HK??  ;D pero ganda yun 330..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 17, 2004 at 05:07 PM
Just got back from Spectra.... dragging an H/K AVR-330 and a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 8.4's.  ;D I guess this should suffice for now.  Now to set it all up...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 17, 2004 at 05:24 PM
Ack!  Cables!!!!   ???  he he he nakalimutan ko pa... ngek..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Apr 17, 2004 at 05:52 PM
Just got back from Spectra.... dragging an H/K AVR-330 and a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 8.4's.  ;D I guess this should suffice for now.  Now to set it all up...

Very nice. Just wait for about 6 months (max) for the Wharfs 8.4 be fully broken in. Happy listening. Congrats.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 17, 2004 at 05:54 PM
Oh? I think these are already broken in...  Norah Jones didn't sound stiff at all when Jim tested it.  Ofcourse the 8.4's were already out in the open already...  :o  demo unit? he he he.... I don't mind.   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Apr 18, 2004 at 12:27 AM
Oh? I think these are already broken in...  Norah Jones didn't sound stiff at all when Jim tested it.  Ofcourse the 8.4's were already out in the open already...  :o  demo unit? he he he.... I don't mind.   ;D

congrats bravoexo sa bago mong toys. blooper yan sir, ala pang cables. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 18, 2004 at 05:56 AM
Salamat, Kimpao... and Philander as well.

Talk about the itch to get things started he he he sobrang bilis kasi ng transaction ko with Jim yesterday eh, nakalimutan kong bumili ng cables and connectors (I liked those in Spectra, yung dual head ata yun).   Well, since there were cables around, I used the same wiring I had for my Philips HTiB and sort of tested things out.  First, binding post is murder to my fingers... he he he... next, mukhang hindi pa nga broken in yung 8.4's, as it's not as loud as my DTT2500's even at -10 Db... that's in surround off mode.  I don't know, maybe it's the wires...

Anyway, ang ganda talaga... very simple to operate ng AVR-330.  I've never had an A/V receiver before (well, technically my HTiB's do have them) and it took me a while to get things started... that manual was pure white and small text, and hirap basahin.  ^_^  Pero naintindihan ko naman and sort of trial and error on the remote.   :D

Anyway, wala ba talagang IR receiver for Zone 2 na kasama itong AVR-330?  May remote, pero walang IR receiver talaga, right?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 18, 2004 at 11:12 AM
Last question, before I set out and buy me cables and connectors...  the fan of the AVR-330 isn't moving.  Is it suppose to be working 100% of the time, or may temp sensor siya?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Apr 18, 2004 at 12:18 PM
Last question, before I set out and buy me cables and connectors...  the fan of the AVR-330 isn't moving.  Is it suppose to be working 100% of the time, or may temp sensor siya?

Temp sensor yan, sir. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: vvt-i on Apr 18, 2004 at 05:46 PM
Just got back from Spectra.... dragging an H/K AVR-330 and a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 8.4's.  ;D I guess this should suffice for now.  Now to set it all up...

congrats to your new toy. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 18, 2004 at 05:50 PM
Haay, ang sarap gumawa ng sariling cable... he he he... 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 19, 2004 at 09:45 AM
Just got back from Spectra.... dragging an H/K AVR-330 and a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 8.4's.  ;D I guess this should suffice for now.  Now to set it all up...

Congrats on ur new toy bro ;D, review naman sa performance nang 8.4 sa HK, im planning to get 1 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 19, 2004 at 09:54 AM
Bravo,

Congrats sir!! ayos yan.. ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: slayer on Apr 19, 2004 at 10:45 AM
Congrats sa 330!! Panalo yan!!  O0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Apr 19, 2004 at 12:03 PM
Hi bravo,

Feedback naman sa HK/Wharf combo mo. I just bought an HK 130 and i'ld like to pair it with Wharf 8.4 also. Maganda ba talaga?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: slayer on Apr 19, 2004 at 12:09 PM
Dude,

Garantisado yan panalo!! Just make sure you use the right speaker cables for your hk/wharf combo.

One happy HK/Wharfe owner. ;D

Hi bravo,

Feedback naman sa HK/Wharf combo mo. I just bought an HK 130 and i'ld like to pair it with Wharf 8.4 also. Maganda ba talaga?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Apr 19, 2004 at 12:24 PM
slayer,

what speaker cable do use? Hindi pa naman ako bibili ng speaker pero at least may idea na ako. Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: slayer on Apr 19, 2004 at 12:32 PM
Here are my experiences...

1.) Used AudioPro g12 and stock jumpers (using coaxial).  Sounds too thin and lacks details on highs.
2.) Used AudioPro g12 + 16 biwired (ordinary analog cable).  Mids and lows sounds too forward, high is detailed.
3.) Used XLO/VDO as wire and jumpers (AudioPro IC). Highs and Mids are detailed, lows are laid back but you feel the bass  crawling. ;D ;D ;D

Hope that helps. BTW, this are my experience and may vary from person to person.  O0

slayer,

what speaker cable do use? Hindi pa naman ako bibili ng speaker pero at least may idea na ako. Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 19, 2004 at 02:33 PM
Anak ng tipaklong...  nabingi ako doon ah...

I just calibrated the setup using EZ-SET 7.1 process... both Dolby D EX 3/2/.1  and Logic 7 7 Ch Cinema.  Base volume was -15 as indicated in the manual.  Turns out every channels needs +10 adjustments .... returned the volume to -20..... I left to download on the PC, and here comes my dad, turns on the Xbox to play Last Exile ep 11 via XBMC.  Nak nang pating, parang nasa isang Rock Concert sa lakas!!!  Karimpas kaagad ako para babaan sa -40 ang volume...  tamang tama na...  he he he.    (now that I checked, sabi nga sa manual, i lagay sa -40 after calibrating... ngek)

Ang linaw parin niya kanina nung mataas pa siya sa volume, hindi rin rattling nor walang distortion... sobra lang talaga ng volume.

Ang reklamo ko lang talaga ay nananakit parin ang mga braso ko dahil sa kabigatan ng isang 8.4 speaker... damn thing is as heavy as the 330.

On cables....  I fashioned one from splitting one 30ft Ace Hardware Studio type Speaker cables, 16 AWG, into two and buying four gold banna plug connectors...  instant +5 boost in volume, far better than the thin silver ones from Philips.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 19, 2004 at 02:43 PM
Quote
Hi bravo,

Feedback naman sa HK/Wharf combo mo. I just bought an HK 130 and i'ld like to pair it with Wharf 8.4 also. Maganda ba talaga?

It's got a lot of detail I'll give it that. Minsan it's too distracting in some movie events, like Episode II's driods vs Jedi battle, you can hear a lot clearer the ambiant noises. Although I haven't got that much audio hours logged into it, but Sting and Andrea Corr do sound amazing on them. 

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Apr 19, 2004 at 03:36 PM
Anak ng tipaklong...  nabingi ako doon ah...

I just calibrated the setup using EZ-SET 7.1 process... both Dolby D EX 3/2/.1  and Logic 7 7 Ch Cinema.  Base volume was -15 as indicated in the manual.  Turns out every channels needs +10 adjustments .... returned the volume to -20..... I left to download on the PC, and here comes my dad, turns on the Xbox to play Last Exile ep 11 via XBMC.  Nak nang pating, parang nasa isang Rock Concert sa lakas!!!  Karimpas kaagad ako para babaan sa -40 ang volume...  tamang tama na...  he he he.    (now that I checked, sabi nga sa manual, i lagay sa -40 after calibrating... ngek)

same experience - though parang mali yung instructions ng HK, kasi ngayon hindi pa rin pantay ang spl nyan per channel. para mas tama:
- set the individual channels to -10
- set master volume to 0
- start ezset

makikita mo, hindi na +10 lahat ng channel

unsolicited advice

tsaka see if my default volume setting na pwede mo iactivate. yung hk5500 pwede mo i-set sa -50, -40, etc yung default volume. para whenever you power up the receiver walang chance na madamage dahil nakalagay pala sa malakas na volume setting  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 19, 2004 at 03:47 PM
Quote
same experience - though parang mali yung instructions ng HK, kasi ngayon hindi pa rin pantay ang spl nyan per channel. para mas tama:
- set the individual channels to -10
- set master volume to 0
- start ezset

makikita mo, hindi na +10 lahat ng channel

Thanks I'll try this next.

Quote
unsolicited advice

tsaka see if my default volume setting na pwede mo iactivate. yung hk5500 pwede mo i-set sa -50, -40, etc yung default volume. para whenever you power up the receiver walang chance na madamage dahil nakalagay pala sa malakas na volume setting 

That's the strange part, it's in the OSD's advance menu, I think.... or anyway, yung default is always at the last volume you place it at... tingnan ko kung mag stastay sa iba once I set it.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Apr 19, 2004 at 04:08 PM


Thanks I'll try this next.



That's the strange part, it's in the OSD's advance menu, I think.... or anyway, yung default is always at the last volume you place it at... tingnan ko kung mag stastay sa iba once I set it.

may toggle pa yun: On and Off, pag naka Off, last volume pag pinatay. Pag On - yung default volume na iseset mo ang susundin  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 19, 2004 at 10:59 PM
Yup, saw it and just set it to -40.   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 19, 2004 at 11:13 PM
bravoexo,

btw remind you easy on the volume break in stage pa speaker and HK mo hehehehe.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 21, 2004 at 03:55 PM
Heya, fellow H/K owners....  what's up?!!!  Anyway, I've got another little discovery I'd like confirmation.  It's the AM/FM tuner.  In auto scan mode, it'll skip one popular radio station... while in manual, hindi niya maskiskipan siya...  malakas naman yung station na iyon.  (Trivial ba? he he he)

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: DaiHarD on Apr 22, 2004 at 12:26 AM
sir how much will hk avr cost?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 22, 2004 at 02:07 AM
AVR 330 - 31K
AVR 130 - 19K
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 22, 2004 at 10:04 AM
Available na ba dito ang AVR 430?
 If yes how much kaya?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 22, 2004 at 10:22 AM
Available na ba dito ang AVR 430?
 If yes how much kaya?


 ;D
courage iwan mo na kami ni enygma sa HK5500
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 22, 2004 at 10:25 AM


 ;D
courage iwan mo na kami ni enygma sa HK5500


Ahahaha oi nde ah, love na love ko HK5500 ko ehehehehe, nagtatanong lang ako lol. Kuntento na ako sa HK5500, habang tumatagal lalong gumaganda ehehe

Musta na bro? :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 22, 2004 at 12:41 PM



Ahahaha oi nde ah, love na love ko HK5500 ko ehehehehe, nagtatanong lang ako lol. Kuntento na ako sa HK5500, habang tumatagal lalong gumaganda ehehe

Musta na bro? :)

di nga naman..hehehehe naghahanap lang siya iyung para sa kwarto lang niya....hk5500 sa living room and hk330 sa bedroom....ang lupet!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 22, 2004 at 01:26 PM


di nga naman..hehehehe naghahanap lang siya iyung para sa kwarto lang niya....hk5500 sa living room and hk330 sa bedroom....ang lupet!!!!!  ;D

Ahaahhahaha syte nde, nde ako mayaman para mag ganyan lol, but i wanna use the multi room fucntion of our Avr, problema lang eh isang set nang speakers at ampli na naman yun LOL ;D.

Nde ko na nga nagagamit for movies eh, tagal na lol, puro music, wala nang pambili nang DVD's lol
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 22, 2004 at 01:51 PM
courage,

Pre power amp lang solution mo dyan sa multi room yakang yaka.. >:D >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 22, 2004 at 03:47 PM
courage,

Pre power amp lang solution mo dyan sa multi room yakang yaka.. >:D >:D

Oi syempre kelangan din nang speakers para sa kabbilang room LOL ehehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: stac on Apr 22, 2004 at 04:11 PM
mga sirs tanong lang po, my friend want's to buy a HK5550, nakakita kami sa sm city north car park, nakalimutan ko na yung name nang store but they also carry Denon and JBL speakers. parehas lang ba yun nang HK5500? then suggest ko sa kanya speakers ay pagawa kay sir nirv, ayos kaya combo nun? thanks in advance at mabuhay ang Pinoydvd.com!!!  8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Apr 22, 2004 at 04:20 PM
mga sirs tanong lang po, my friend want's to buy a HK5550, nakakita kami sa sm city north car park, nakalimutan ko na yung name nang store but they also carry Denon and JBL speakers. parehas lang ba yun nang HK5500? then suggest ko sa kanya speakers ay pagawa kay sir nirv, ayos kaya combo nun? thanks in advance at mabuhay ang Pinoydvd.com!!!  8)

5550 is the new model.. its already 7.1.. while 5500 is only 7.1 ready. since ure be needing a separate amp to power the 2 remaining speakers.. suggestion is to buy the newest model which is the hk 330 if he price is almost the same.. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: stac on Apr 22, 2004 at 05:30 PM
thanks for the reply, sir sebman.  8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 22, 2004 at 07:47 PM
mga sirs tanong lang po, my friend want's to buy a HK5550, nakakita kami sa sm city north car park, nakalimutan ko na yung name nang store but they also carry Denon and JBL speakers. parehas lang ba yun nang HK5500? then suggest ko sa kanya speakers ay pagawa kay sir nirv, ayos kaya combo nun? thanks in advance at mabuhay ang Pinoydvd.com!!!  8)

iyung hk5550 is 7.1 already and have bass management for each speaker channel unlike hk5500 na walang bass management and needs another amplifier to become 7.1. the max. power consumption of hk5550 is more than 1000 watts...ga-plantsa na.... :o
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: stac on Apr 22, 2004 at 08:35 PM
... the max. power consumption of hk5550 is more than 1000 watts...ga-plantsa na.... :o

 8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 23, 2004 at 12:00 AM
The HK AVR-330 is max at [email protected]  so it ain't that far off too...

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: toshiba on Apr 23, 2004 at 03:07 AM

Andito na ba HK 230 sa atin?

Review rating link below. 9.7/10. In deutsche nga lang.


http://www.kieskeurig.nl/nl/review.nsf/id/8492085120676C86C1256E32004CA25E.htm


it's now available at architectural audio... :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 23, 2004 at 06:16 AM
Galing galing ng H/K!!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Apr 23, 2004 at 08:49 AM


it's now available at architectural audio... :)

wow me 230 na dito.. oissttt mga repapeepss... eto na yung hinihintay nyo..  ;D  :D tawag na sa archi for the price..  O0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 23, 2004 at 09:58 AM


wow me 230 na dito.. oissttt mga repapeepss... eto na yung hinihintay nyo..  ;D  :D tawag na sa archi for the price..  O0

What i really love sa HK eh may power na ganda pa tumunog :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lomi on Apr 23, 2004 at 03:21 PM
need your help! my hk avr-330's front lcd panel or osd doesn't lit up anymore.  i bought it last feb. and only been powered 3 times.  i tried the troubleshooting from the manual but still not working.  also, the composite video out monitor is not working properly.  i can't hardly see the menu from the t.v.  Any advise or suggestions on fellow hk owners?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 23, 2004 at 03:51 PM
need your help! my hk avr-330's front lcd panel or osd doesn't lit up anymore.  i bought it last feb. and only been powered 3 times.  i tried the troubleshooting from the manual but still not working.  also, the composite video out monitor is not working properly.  i can't hardly see the menu from the t.v.  Any advise or suggestions on fellow hk owners?

I think u have a defective unit, u should bring it back to the store and ask for a replacement. San mo binili?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 23, 2004 at 04:23 PM



Ahahaha oi nde ah, love na love ko HK5500 ko ehehehehe, nagtatanong lang ako lol. Kuntento na ako sa HK5500, habang tumatagal lalong gumaganda ehehe

Musta na bro? :)

 ;D

kala ko bibitawan mo na iyan my precious mo hehehe.... well sakin gamit na gamit pag nasa pinas lang hehehe... Ganda na ng set up mo pati pinaglalagyan ng set up mo congrats..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 23, 2004 at 04:25 PM


di nga naman..hehehehe naghahanap lang siya iyung para sa kwarto lang niya....hk5500 sa living room and hk330 sa bedroom....ang lupet!!!!!  ;D

lupit nga eh..   ;D

ey enygma, HK B&W ka naba?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 23, 2004 at 04:34 PM


 ;D

kala ko bibitawan mo na iyan my precious mo hehehe.... well sakin gamit na gamit pag nasa pinas lang hehehe... Ganda na ng set up mo pati pinaglalagyan ng set up mo congrats..



Ahahaha tenks ehehe inaapi kasi ako eh kaya inayos ko LOL
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Apr 23, 2004 at 05:45 PM

 


Ahahaha tenks ehehe inaapi kasi ako eh kaya inayos ko LOL
hey i saw the hk avr230 @ spectra
i thought they wont be having it before
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 23, 2004 at 05:55 PM
need your help! my hk avr-330's front lcd panel or osd doesn't lit up anymore.  i bought it last feb. and only been powered 3 times.  i tried the troubleshooting from the manual but still not working.  also, the composite video out monitor is not working properly.  i can't hardly see the menu from the t.v.  Any advise or suggestions on fellow hk owners?

The way I see it, somehow you've turned Semi OSD = OFF, or FULL OSD = OFF.  And the output of the AVR330 's menu is only giving out a PAL signal, unless you push the volume down, and press OSD button for at least 4 seconds... that'll make the signal NTSC.  That's why you can't see the OSD menu properly.   Turn the unit on and press the night mode several times.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 23, 2004 at 06:01 PM
DIM button pala...   well, hopefully hindi totally defective.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lomi on Apr 23, 2004 at 09:21 PM
thanks for the replies.  but still no luck for me.  well, i guess i have to return it to AA for them to diagnose it.  hassle lang kasi ang bigat nitong avr and mahal pa parking, haay.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Apr 23, 2004 at 10:43 PM

hey i saw the hk avr230 @ spectra
i thought they wont be having it before

How much for the 230? Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 24, 2004 at 12:30 AM


lupit nga eh..   ;D

ey enygma, HK B&W ka naba?

yup, naka-b&w na ako except the surrounds...next in line....a musical sub....hmmmm... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Apr 24, 2004 at 12:34 AM
lupit din ng set up mo, ano surrounds mo.

nag auditio ka kina epoy, na try mo ang mga bagong HK sa BW
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Apr 24, 2004 at 01:04 AM
lupit din ng set up mo, ano surrounds mo.

nag auditio ka kina epoy, na try mo ang mga bagong HK sa BW

a vintage visonik david 6000 speakers (german made) ang gamit kong surrounds...by order na lang iyung b&w sa archi audio kaya no chance na matest with h/k unless may order...atsaka panay ang tingin ko doon sa maliit na sub doon sa may gilid ng doors ng shop....di ko pa naipademo pero sadyang malupit daw pagdating sa audio...malupit din kasi ang presyo....hehehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Apr 24, 2004 at 10:22 AM


How much for the 230? Thanks
sorry i wasnt able to ask the price of it
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Apr 27, 2004 at 08:38 AM


How much for the 230? Thanks

sms nico from architectural audio.. its around 27T...  :) for a 4T difference.. suggest you buy the 330..  ^-^
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Apr 27, 2004 at 11:50 AM


sms nico from architectural audio.. its around 27T...  :) for a 4T difference.. suggest you buy the 330..  ^-^

the 230 is around 27000
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Apr 27, 2004 at 11:51 AM
i also saw 430 @ spectra on display
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Apr 27, 2004 at 12:18 PM
hk 430! lupeet!!!  >:D >:D yumyum! often ako sa audio stores dito sa amin but nothing still comes close to a harman when it comes to music sa avrs. if ill be upgrading, definitely itll still be a harman. maybe a 330 or 430. hopefully cheaper na ang mga yan by next year  >:D >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Apr 27, 2004 at 12:21 PM
hk 430! lupeet!!!  >:D >:D yumyum! often ako sa audio stores dito sa amin but nothing still comes close to a harman when it comes to music sa avrs. if ill be upgrading, definitely itll still be a harman. maybe a 330 or 430. hopefully cheaper na ang mga yan by next year  >:D >:D

mukhang malabong bumaba kung tinatangkilik nang tao parang monitor audio na pataas nang pataas ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Apr 27, 2004 at 09:00 PM


the 230 is around 27000


sms nico from architectural audio.. its around 27T...  :) for a 4T difference.. suggest you buy the 330..  ^-^

I already have the 330. Im just curious how much is the 230. Its for a friend.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 28, 2004 at 08:50 AM
Guys,


Wowow 230 and 430 nasa pinas na pala!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 29, 2004 at 12:13 AM
Guys,


Wowow 230 and 430 nasa pinas na pala!!


Wow, pre how much ang 430? :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Apr 29, 2004 at 01:26 AM
430. hmmmm
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 29, 2004 at 09:50 AM
430. hmmm... talaga.   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Apr 29, 2004 at 10:28 AM
430. hmmm... talaga.   ;D
i think its below 47T try ask jim of spectra
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Apr 29, 2004 at 11:31 AM
buti nalang too expensive. Kung hindi upgrade nanaman.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: krets pulpol on Apr 29, 2004 at 12:27 PM
looks like there's a new "in" receiver these days.  good thing hk corrected their old receivers before.  i'm considering an hk 430 or 630 and denon 3805 for a future 7.1 upgrade.

nice  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 29, 2004 at 01:02 PM
You mean the audio drop outs on the 430/630's? 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 29, 2004 at 04:52 PM
kretsdvds,

pre what feature yun??
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: krets pulpol on Apr 29, 2004 at 05:30 PM
hans,

basically remote - i guess it shares with denon before
front panel not intuitive for some
manual - shares again with denon but not a big issue
some old models shutdown easily - i guess reliability issue for some (lemons?)
gets pretty hot - i guess most receivers (incl. onkyo) run hot at longer usage
problems with logic 7 decodings - i guess it's a matter of preference
busy displays (complicated)

bravoexo,
does 430/630s have audio dropouts?



Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Apr 29, 2004 at 05:37 PM
Kretsdvds,

Ah thanks..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: krets pulpol on Apr 29, 2004 at 05:39 PM
hans, bakit? ano iniisip mo?  ???

 :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 29, 2004 at 05:41 PM
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bravoexo,
does 430/630s have audio dropouts?

That's the main complaints of the 430/630/7200's over at AVSForums...  something not seen in the 1/2/330 series.  Yung pag nag switch digital track, for example DD to DTS, eh may pause, then audio, then silent pause for 1-2 secs...then audio is back again.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: krets pulpol on Apr 29, 2004 at 05:52 PM
aaaahhh ok, thanks bravoexo! slow switching of dts/dd tracks!  i read on some review/forum, they have gripes on digital processing and quality issue of hks but in terms of sound, no problems (warm sounding).  plus old models only have 5 equal amplifications for a 7.1 (labo) well i guess older models have unforseen weaknesses in their development stages. kaya nga may bagong models eh hehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 29, 2004 at 06:02 PM
Most 7.1 and 9.1 receivers leave out at least 2 channels with less power than the rest.  The yamaha z9 is a 9.1 channel amp with 7 identical channels, the 8th and 9th have lower power ratings.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 29, 2004 at 06:59 PM
I'm just not sure if the problem just happens to be because the 430/630's have different DAC's than the 130/230/330's.   Different nga ba?  They sound really nice to me.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: krets pulpol on Apr 29, 2004 at 07:13 PM
do the 130/230/330 suffer this kind of problem?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Apr 29, 2004 at 07:31 PM
I think its not a problem.... they are a matter of preference....
Some receivers too, do have a short lag in changing the audio bitstream...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Apr 29, 2004 at 09:35 PM
pasintabi po...ano diff ng 325 sa 330?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Apr 30, 2004 at 10:40 AM
pasintabi po...ano diff ng 325 sa 330?

difference? 325+5 = 330. hehehe. but seriously, the 330 is rated 5 watts per channel more (55 wpc, 7.1) than the 325 (50 wpc, 7.1). i think sa stereo mode theyre rated the same at 65wpc.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Apr 30, 2004 at 11:45 AM
Hi HK users,

Question lang po. Yesterday kasi when i got home from office, i turned on immediately my HK 130 and listen to a certain radio station but after five minutes yata it turned off automatically.  Then i turned it on again and ganon ulit namatay sya automatically after 5 minutes yata rin.  Again i turned it on and yun ayos na hindi nag-off and i used it for almost 3 hrs straight.

Guys, is that normal  ???

Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Apr 30, 2004 at 12:01 PM
baka naka set ang sleep to 5mins? otherwise thats not normal. u should have it checked out bro. btw, check out all speaker connections.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Apr 30, 2004 at 01:29 PM
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baka naka set ang sleep to 5mins?

Wala naman akong ginagalaw sa sleep settings, anyway check ko na rin just to be sure.

Quote
otherwise thats not normal. u should have it checked out bro

Pakiramdaman ko muna siguro for a few more days, if ever na ganun parin whenever i open it pa-check ko na siguro under warranty pa naman.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Apr 30, 2004 at 10:06 PM


difference? 325+5 = 330. hehehe. but seriously, the 330 is rated 5 watts per channel more (55 wpc, 7.1) than the 325 (50 wpc, 7.1). i think sa stereo mode theyre rated the same at 65wpc.



Tnx! Akala ko malaki na pinagkaiba e hehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 30, 2004 at 11:21 PM
Hi HK users,

Question lang po. Yesterday kasi when i got home from office, i turned on immediately my HK 130 and listen to a certain radio station but after five minutes yata it turned off automatically.  Then i turned it on again and ganon ulit namatay sya automatically after 5 minutes yata rin.  Again i turned it on and yun ayos na hindi nag-off and i used it for almost 3 hrs straight.

Guys, is that normal  ???

Thanks for the help.

Yeahh i guess u check the sleep timer, kung naka off its not normal, this never happened to me. Or maybe another reason eh nag fluctuate ang kuryente or tipong split second nawalan tapos nagka kuryente ulit nang di mo napapansin, lagi kasing ganito kuryente dito sa amin eh
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on May 01, 2004 at 12:14 AM
Hi HK users,

Question lang po. Yesterday kasi when i got home from office, i turned on immediately my HK 130 and listen to a certain radio station but after five minutes yata it turned off automatically.  Then i turned it on again and ganon ulit namatay sya automatically after 5 minutes yata rin.  Again i turned it on and yun ayos na hindi nag-off and i used it for almost 3 hrs straight.

Guys, is that normal  ???

Thanks for the help.

Check mo interconnects and speaker cables, baka may nagshoshort..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on May 02, 2004 at 08:10 PM
hans, bakit? ano iniisip mo?  ???

 :D

gusto lang uli bumili nang HK yan KC nag two channel   tube amp
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on May 03, 2004 at 10:15 AM
Just want to tell you guys that HK 4550 and HK 5550 were on sale last weekend during Megamall Sale at Acoustical Space.

HK 5550 is only about 35K
HK 4550 is 31K

3 units of HK 5550 were sold...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on May 03, 2004 at 11:11 AM
insan skeeter, courage, philander

thanks for the response guys, oks na ulit HK ko mas gumanda pa nga yung sound, hindi na nag-o-off ulit.  Baka nga may nagshoshort masyado kasing nakadikit sa likod ng AV Rack ko.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on May 03, 2004 at 11:16 AM
Puro bare wire connections ka ba sa likod? 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on May 03, 2004 at 11:50 AM
Puro bare wire connections ka ba sa likod? 

You mean wire lang ang ang naka-connect sa kabitan ng speaker (ano ba tawag duon?) walang banana plug or something.  Kung yun nga yun, Yes, bare connection nga.  Kasi wala pa akong speaker ginagamit ko lang eh yung sa compo ko.

Why bro? Maapektuhan ba yung AVR? Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on May 03, 2004 at 12:55 PM
Well, I'm trying to figure it out myself.  If it's better to use bare wire all the time or use connectors (banana)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 03, 2004 at 03:29 PM
Just want to tell you guys that HK 4550 and HK 5550 were on sale last weekend during Megamall Sale at Acoustical Space.

HK 5550 is only about 35K
HK 4550 is 31K

3 units of HK 5550 were sold...

5550 only 35k wow, sayang ehehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 04, 2004 at 09:02 AM
kimosabe,

pre ingat better used proper wire for your connection DANGER yan sa HK mo sir.. kung frequent pa rin ang shut off better re-wired your setup..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on May 04, 2004 at 10:18 AM
hk ko nag shut off once. one movie had this really powerful explosion (bass control was set at 9 oclock) pffft! my hk went off. was really scared, thought na sira hk ko. siguro protection nya  lang yun, coz when i turned it on again. ok nman. lesson learned? set all tone controls to neutral before watching explosive movies, hehehehe.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 05, 2004 at 05:05 PM
Guys,

Circuit protection yan at least kahit sobra lakas eh iwas damage yun gears..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on May 07, 2004 at 11:01 PM
Guys,

Circuit protection yan at least kahit sobra lakas eh iwas damage yun gears..

lahat nang AVR na lumalabas ngayon may ganon proteksyon kaya ingat pa rin sa mga connection especially sa mga RCA lalo na kung mahigpit
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on May 09, 2004 at 11:24 AM
HK/MA All The Way!!!!!!! >:D >:D O0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on May 09, 2004 at 05:04 PM
Uy, nabuhay. The return of the come back. :P
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on May 10, 2004 at 08:47 AM
HK/MA All The Way!!!!!!! >:D >:D O0

oo nga no.. nabuhay ang patay.. welcome back pre....  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on May 10, 2004 at 03:19 PM
hehehehehe, oo ngi.......... >:D

salamat sa cd player ni nels76, nakapag-listening session kami kahapon samin.....  na-miss ko tunog ng gears, buhay na buhay boses ni corine may at dumadagundong yung pearl harbor na movie soundtrack..... ngayon lang nagamit muli hk3550 ko.....  ;D ;D ;D matagal na napahinga eh....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on May 10, 2004 at 09:26 PM
Welcome Pre.

Iba iyong session diyan sa inyo kagabi. May nakalaban tayong HIGH-POWERED GEAR sa adjacent door. Malakas. pero di nagpahuli HK mo. >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 11, 2004 at 04:31 PM
James,

Nag session na solo?? hehehe sama kami dyan..
Title: harman/kardon avr REPAIR??
Post by: madrigal on May 11, 2004 at 06:14 PM
Hi, Where is the authorized repair center of H/K?? 

It seems that nabubura ang memory ng presets and surround set ups if I unplug the unit.   Also, medgo mahina and output and garalgal ang isang surround channel ko. 

The unit is an avr2000. bought 2001.

Thanks.  I want to go directly to the authorized repairshop than go to the dealer where I bought it. 

Thanks again for any reply.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on May 12, 2004 at 01:15 AM
Send a PM to Beyond Innovations or check their thread under General Topics.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on May 12, 2004 at 05:25 AM
James,

Nag session na solo?? hehehe sama kami dyan..

cge, sir kapag nakalibre ako ng sked ulit.... hehehehhe ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 14, 2004 at 08:41 AM
James,

Cge ba.. text text lang sir.. miss ko na rin sound ng HK
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on May 14, 2004 at 09:33 AM
FYI... went to  Accoustical Space in megamall last wenesday.. there are still selling having a sale on old models of HK avr....

4550 - 31T
5550 - 35T

 O0  >:D  ^-^
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 14, 2004 at 03:27 PM
sebman,

Tempting pero no moolah na hehehehe..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on May 14, 2004 at 08:19 PM
sebman,

Tempting pero no moolah na hehehehe..

kaw pa mawawalan hehehehe pareho tayo kc pasukan na kaya di mkaporma ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 15, 2004 at 04:13 PM


kaw pa mawawalan hehehehe pareho tayo kc pasukan na kaya di mkaporma ;D ;D ;D

Ehehehe, maya lang nang konti nhaka HK na ulit yan
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on May 16, 2004 at 04:23 PM
kahit anong mangyari hk pa rin ako.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 16, 2004 at 07:00 PM
J_ablert, & Courage,

hehehehe pasokan na pala no... kaya iwas SARS muna.. pero definitely HK ulit!! 8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on May 20, 2004 at 10:27 AM
good news for those waiting for the hk dvd player
nandito na
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on May 20, 2004 at 10:36 AM
good news for those waiting for the hk dvd player
nandito na

Yes, saw them last night at Architectural Audio.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on May 20, 2004 at 10:58 AM
What model are these?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on May 20, 2004 at 11:04 AM
What model are these?

DVD 22
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on May 20, 2004 at 11:10 AM
Although by looks, the DVD22 pairs quite well with my AVR330... I find no other reason to buy it other than looks.  (pretty standard fare DVD player, progressive scan...slim, that's about it.  Wish it had either DCDi or Sigma deinterlacers or scalling capabilities like the Samsung HD938 or DivX /MPEG playback like the Philips DVP 642K) 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on May 20, 2004 at 11:28 AM
(http://international.harmankardon.com/products/images/product_large/DVD22.gif)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on May 20, 2004 at 01:12 PM
(http://international.harmankardon.com/products/images/product_large/DVD22.gif)


sir magkano kaya ito??
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on May 20, 2004 at 01:22 PM
Yan ba ang walang moolah? pinagi-interesan na mag-upgrade ng dvd player ::)

j_albert22, Peace tayoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on May 20, 2004 at 02:03 PM
Yan ba ang walang moolah? pinagi-interesan na mag-upgrade ng dvd player ::)

j_albert22, Peace tayoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

hehehe bagay kc sa HK130 e tsaka wala naman masama magtanong at hapi pi naman ako sa NB9000 ko e kahit magdamagan ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on May 20, 2004 at 02:05 PM


hehehe bagay kc sa HK130 e tsaka wala naman masama magtanong at hapi pi naman ako sa NB9000 ko e kahit magdamagan ;D ;D ;D

pre bagay na bagay nga yan sa 130 mo.... bili na...  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on May 20, 2004 at 02:07 PM


pre bagay na bagay nga yan sa 130 mo.... bili na...  :)

ala pang pambili pre  :'( :'( naholdap ni misis
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on May 20, 2004 at 02:09 PM



sir magkano kaya ito??

Sorry I wasnt able to ask yesterday. You may call Archi Audio for the exact price.

Nico @ 811-6715
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on May 20, 2004 at 02:17 PM


Sorry I wasnt able to ask yesterday. You may call Archi Audio for the exact price.

Nico @ 811-6715

thanks for the info
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on May 20, 2004 at 02:19 PM
pre meron yan.. alam ko nagtatabi ka e.. hehehe nweis called sir nico and the cash price for the dvd22 is 11,700... pre murang mura..  ;D  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 20, 2004 at 07:00 PM
J_albert,

Uy pretty nice yan sir.. better buy it while supply last.. >:D >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on May 20, 2004 at 07:09 PM
Miss ko na toh!!!! Tagal na nde gamit.... :-\ :-\ :-\

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgAkA2IVpwvjIkkadmcGNoBehZSAb!Rin2JtYNjB4XYH9ddFpMkYVuM5X1mfagLGF89CP!4Pi*7fW*YlMK9ZpSBQPRjREUrhWP7XfQR8pzBPmZp*W7dXqA/HK_AVR5500.gif?dc=4675472932973206863)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on May 21, 2004 at 10:44 AM
pre meron yan.. alam ko nagtatabi ka e.. hehehe nweis called sir nico and the cash price for the dvd22 is 11,700... pre murang mura..  ;D  :D
11700 ang price sa spectra
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 21, 2004 at 03:04 PM
s2kov,

OO nga miss ko na rin tsk tsk tsk.. bakit kasi nakilala pa kita AUDIOOOOO...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on May 21, 2004 at 03:08 PM
Hehehe.... ;D ;D ;D Ganyan tlaga kung anu'ng nasimulan babalik-balikan....


s2kov,

OO nga miss ko na rin tsk tsk tsk.. bakit kasi nakilala pa kita AUDIOOOOO...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on May 21, 2004 at 03:11 PM
Hehehe.... ;D ;D ;D Ganyan tlaga kung anu'ng nasimulan babalik-balikan....





Ahahahahaha!!!!! ;D ;D ;D "anu'ng nasimulan babalik-balikan"..... Bwahahahahaha!!!! Bato-bato sa langit ang tamaan huwag umiyak....este magalit! ;D ;D  My "Precious" >:D >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 21, 2004 at 03:17 PM
Kimpao,

Aray ko again.. my precious nya ba?? di bale.. meron pwede gawin new precious.. senyor.. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on May 21, 2004 at 03:22 PM
I mean, kpag nasa  audio tlaga interes mo, no matter how precious your receiver is. You will still again prioritized your audio setup.... ;) ;) ;)

Enjoy!!!! :D :D :D




Ahahahahaha!!!!! ;D ;D ;D "anu'ng nasimulan babalik-balikan"..... Bwahahahahaha!!!! Bato-bato sa langit ang tamaan huwag umiyak....este magalit! ;D ;D  My "Precious" >:D >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 21, 2004 at 03:26 PM
s2kov,

Pre agree yun 1st precious ko na nakay DON ST na eh almost 4 months di nagamit HK ko...  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on May 21, 2004 at 03:29 PM
s2kov,

OO nga miss ko na rin tsk tsk tsk.. bakit kasi nakilala pa kita AUDIOOOOO...

pwede naman kayo magkita ulit eh  >:D madali ako kausap  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 21, 2004 at 03:43 PM
Iceman,

wag kakawawa naman si little Hans... hehehehe  :o :o
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on May 21, 2004 at 04:11 PM
Naku!!!! :o :o :o Ayan na pwede naman pala eh!!!! >:D >:D >:D




pwede naman kayo magkita ulit eh  >:D madali ako kausap  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 22, 2004 at 07:59 AM
Naku, SARS yan magsilayo kayooooooo!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on May 23, 2004 at 10:18 AM
Anyone familiar with the HK AVR 630. Its rated at 75w X 7. Kinda weak for a high current top of the line amplifier but most people say that HK undervalues its ratings. Its this 75w continuous power output with all channels driven? What do you guys think about this when paired with B&W series 600 S3 speakers for 70% HT / 30% Music use vs. a Yamaha 1400 or Onkyo 701?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on May 23, 2004 at 09:23 PM
Heya, folks.  One question... my AVR-330 suddenly is powering off when I play Ghost in the Shell : SAC 2nd GiG Ep 8 through it.  I know it's got to be the safety feature of the HK receiver.  And I have to agree, on the same settings before today, rinig naman yung tv show... but now, even at -30, ang lakas niya.  Now I have to turn everything down to 0 db and down the volume of the Xbox by 20% for it to stop shutting down the AVR.   Mukhang LFE yung culprit though...  would changing to a new sub help?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on May 23, 2004 at 11:53 PM
nevermind.  I found out the reason. . .  grabe, my cables for surrounds got cut, big time.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 24, 2004 at 08:56 AM
pilsen,

Still go for HK...  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on May 24, 2004 at 09:41 AM
Just curious but what are your reasons for choosing the HK630 over the yamaha 1400 vs. the Onkyo 701s? I hear the yamaha is best for home theater and the automated acoustic analyzer is kick ass but for music its below par with the others. The onkyo is above average for both but no analyzer.  HK is a real looker though but if it shut downs all the time thats a bit of a hassle dont u think but I hear the automated acoustic analyzer (although the yamaha has a better one) and the multiple x-over points is a plus and its great for music (warm receiver as opposed to the bright yammies).
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: number1 on May 24, 2004 at 10:11 AM
Choose the HK since you can use it for audio when you dont use it for HT. The HK is also said to have lots of power in-store compared to the yammy. You can never know when you need the power esp. when you have hard to drive speakers such the monitor bronze series (my opinion only though).

   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on May 24, 2004 at 10:49 AM
Anyone familiar with the HK AVR 630. Its rated at 75w X 7. Kinda weak for a high current top of the line amplifier but most people say that HK undervalues its ratings. Its this 75w continuous power output with all channels driven? What do you guys think about this when paired with B&W series 600 S3 speakers for 70% HT / 30% Music use vs. a Yamaha 1400 or Onkyo 701?

75w for hk is like 120w for other receivers. read a review once comparing top end receivers. the hk was rated 110wpc but was tested to crank out more than 140wpc while a denon, rated 140wpc was only able to crank 110+wpc. hk receivers are rated very conservativly. my hk2550 is only rated 45wpc but ive never let the volume go past -10db, with +10db as max. ive a friend who owns an onkyo 600 and when he watches movies, he maxes out the volume with all channels set to +10 and yet its not loud enough. and yet the onkyo 600 is rated 100wpc. although i gotta admit onkyo sounds great in stereo.  ;D ;D

number1,
i have to agree with you. monitor audios bronze speakers ARE hard to drive. same league as the wharf diamonds.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 24, 2004 at 01:49 PM


75w for hk is like 120w for other receivers. read a review once comparing top end receivers. the hk was rated 110wpc but was tested to crank out more than 140wpc while a denon, rated 140wpc was only able to crank 110+wpc. hk receivers are rated very conservativly. my hk2550 is only rated 45wpc but ive never let the volume go past -10db, with +10db as max. ive a friend who owns an onkyo 600 and when he watches movies, he maxes out the volume with all channels set to +10 and yet its not loud enough. and yet the onkyo 600 is rated 100wpc. although i gotta admit onkyo sounds great in stereo.  ;D ;D

number1,
i have to agree with you. monitor audios bronze speakers ARE hard to drive. same league as the wharf diamonds.


When it comes to power HK talaga. Ive tried Yammy, Denon, Marantz and NAD for me HK still rulez...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on May 24, 2004 at 03:55 PM


75w for hk is like 120w for other receivers. read a review once comparing top end receivers. the hk was rated 110wpc but was tested to crank out more than 140wpc while a denon, rated 140wpc was only able to crank 110+wpc. hk receivers are rated very conservativly. my hk2550 is only rated 45wpc but ive never let the volume go past -10db, with +10db as max. ive a friend who owns an onkyo 600 and when he watches movies, he maxes out the volume with all channels set to +10 and yet its not loud enough. and yet the onkyo 600 is rated 100wpc. although i gotta admit onkyo sounds great in stereo.  ;D ;D



This is more due to the fact that HK is CONSERVATIVELY rated while many if not all japanese brands are not.   An HK rated at 40wpc with ALL channels driven at FULL bandwidth ito 8 ohms at 0.01% THD will sound a lot more powerfull than many Japanese amps rated at 100wpc at 1khz with only one channel driven into 4 ohms at 1% THD.   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on May 24, 2004 at 05:55 PM
ok talaga dito ah, bilis sumagot ng mga tao. thanks for the help. i ruled out Yamaha already. left with Onkyo and HK but leaning towards HK. Just no THX certification on it but I guess it just didnt have itself certified.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on May 24, 2004 at 05:58 PM
oh and the HKs dont have the upconversion feature of the competing models
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on May 24, 2004 at 06:04 PM
I also thought mayroon ang AVR-330 nung umpisa... kaso wala pala.  Pero, napansin ko, wala rin naman akong composite video source, so I didn't loose in the end.  (mayroon pala, PS2... pero ang pangit ng PS2 sa 55" HDTV naman so no loss there again.)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on May 24, 2004 at 07:10 PM
ok talaga dito ah, bilis sumagot ng mga tao. thanks for the help. i ruled out Yamaha already. left with Onkyo and HK but leaning towards HK. Just no THX certification on it but I guess it just didnt have itself certified.

A THX certification on a receiver is useless unless mated to THX-certified speakers.  The two THX certificates together are useless unless the room you are playing these gears with are also THX certified.  That means you need to get Lucas engineers to certify your AV room as well so that altogether they will sound like you are in a THX-certified theater.   ;D  Oh and there are  DVD players that are also THX  certified.  You will need them as well. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 24, 2004 at 07:12 PM
AVphile,

sir ang bilis mo talaga... hehehe was about to post pero mas ok pa rin answer mo pre.. ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on May 24, 2004 at 08:16 PM
How about the movie you're gonna watch, does it have to have THX cert. on it  too? ???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: number1 on May 24, 2004 at 09:30 PM
How about the movie you're gonna watch, does it have to have THX cert. on it  too? ???

Some dvds have thx certification like Toy Story 1 & 2, Terminator 2 extreme edition, Star Wars 1 & 2, Indiana Jones Trilogy, etc. and lots of other titles.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on May 24, 2004 at 11:54 PM
yeah, but I mean... not every DVD out there is THX certified, I guess that means there's really no point in insisting THX certification, unless "everything" is THX certified in your HT, right?   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on May 25, 2004 at 09:34 AM
yeah, but I mean... not every DVD out there is THX certified, I guess that means there's really no point in insisting THX certification, unless "everything" is THX certified in your HT, right?   ;D

bingo!!!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on May 25, 2004 at 09:40 AM
even the speaker cables, banana plug (if you use any) and ICs should also be THX certified...  ;D  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on May 25, 2004 at 09:53 AM
not to mention the room you are watching in - it has to pass THX specifications as well  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 25, 2004 at 09:57 AM
ok talaga dito ah, bilis sumagot ng mga tao. thanks for the help. i ruled out Yamaha already. left with Onkyo and HK but leaning towards HK. Just no THX certification on it but I guess it just didnt have itself certified.


Is there an HK Receiver that is THX Certified?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on May 25, 2004 at 10:07 AM
Nope, not the new ones at least
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on May 25, 2004 at 10:17 AM
I think a receiver has to have at least 100 wpc to be considered for THX certification. If not mistaken most HKs out there are below 100 wpc.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on May 25, 2004 at 10:33 AM
someone told me that although the HKs have lower wattage that when demoed with a comparable receiver like Onkyo or Yamaha or denon with a higher wattage the HKs produce a louder sound. Anyone tried this?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 25, 2004 at 10:50 AM
Nope, not the new ones at least

I guess HK's dont need to be certified just to sound good eyyy. Coz even without those certification, i think HK really rocks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on May 25, 2004 at 10:52 AM
someone told me that although the HKs have lower wattage that when demoed with a comparable receiver like Onkyo or Yamaha or denon with a higher wattage the HKs produce a louder sound. Anyone tried this?

Yes, heard it for myself many times.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on May 25, 2004 at 10:54 AM
HKs like NADs and Rotels are conservatively rated.  Onkyo, Yamaha, Pioneer, Denon are not, with some exceptions.  Also, HKs are high current amps that can rise to the occasion when peak music signals demand.  Unfortunately, I am just not so certain if THX require conservative 100wpc claims or simple DIN rating which can be an overstatement of real power. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 25, 2004 at 11:40 AM
someone told me that although the HKs have lower wattage that when demoed with a comparable receiver like Onkyo or Yamaha or denon with a higher wattage the HKs produce a louder sound. Anyone tried this?

Thats why i chooses HK ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: audi0slave on May 25, 2004 at 12:11 PM
someone told me that although the HKs have lower wattage that when demoed with a comparable receiver like Onkyo or Yamaha or Denon with a higher wattage the HKs produce a louder sound. Anyone tried this?

HKs like NADs and Rotels are conservatively rated.  Onkyo, Yamaha, Pioneer, Denon are not, with some exceptions.  Also, HKs are high current amps that can rise to the occasion when peak music signals demand. 

The Rotel RA-02 rated @40wpc is much louder than the NAD C320BEE rated @50wpc. Both amps are rated with ALL CHANNELS DRIVEN simultaneously, over the FULL frequency bandwidth (20Hz - 20kHz) at 8 ohms resistive load. The C320BEE is bulkier in design compared to the slim cabinetry of the RA-02. I commend Rotel for their exceptional design of the 02 Series.

 ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on May 25, 2004 at 12:32 PM

The Rotel RA-02 rated @40wpc is much louder than the NAD C320BEE rated @50wpc. Both amps are rated with ALL CHANNELS DRIVEN simultaneously, over the FULL frequency bandwidth (20Hz - 20kHz) at 8 ohms resistive load.
 ;D

That's very much possible.  Are you basing this on a similar, say,  a 10 O'clock or 11 O'clock position of the volume control for both integrateds?   One with a smaller power rating can sound louder at the same volume control position as the other.  That's because the preamp may be dishing out a higher output voltage than the other.  Or that the volume potentiometer is not as linear as the other. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: audi0slave on May 25, 2004 at 12:42 PM
With Tone Defeat ON, I get listening satisfaction with the RA-02 at 10 o'clock dial while with the C320BEE, it's volume dial should reach the 11 o'clock position before it can provide the same level of listening satisfaction using the same set speakers. With the Pioneer A-405 rated @ 105wpc [DIN rating @ 4 ohms], the volume dial should be held at 12 o'clock position on DIRECT MODE (same as Tone Defeat) to provide the same level of listening pleasures.

 ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on May 25, 2004 at 01:09 PM
With DIN rating into 4 ohms, the Pioneer most likely is on the same or lower power footing as the Nad.  That is why you can't get any louder at 12 O'clock as the Nad's 11 O'clock.  In addition to disparate power measurement conditions among amps, there's the internal preamp output conditions that are often overlooked.  That's why some integrateds and receivers of the same conservative rating can sound with different perceived loudness at the same volume control setting.  the volume pot can also be at fault.  A non-linear volume control can make the amp sound powerful even at 10 o'clock and not much SPL increase after that.   While a linear one can sound as powerful but at the 12 or 1 O'clock position, with a more perceptible loudness increase after that.  It all boils down to design.  Some  brands I've come across  use this to impress the market:  "hey look, if it can sound loud at 9 o'clock, imagine how louder it will be at full."  Bear in mind an AV salesguy will never allow his merchanidse to be driven at full.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 25, 2004 at 09:22 PM
pilsen,

Hk sound is not just louder but warm and controlled sound..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 25, 2004 at 09:30 PM
pilsen,

Hk sound is not just louder but warm and controlled sound..

Agree pare koy ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on May 26, 2004 at 12:53 AM
Against a NAD T762, how would the HK630 compare this time?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on May 26, 2004 at 08:24 AM
Against a NAD T762, how would the HK630 compare this time?

It better to audition both kc ikaw ang magdedecide nyan. remember iba iba tayo nang sound reference  ;D ;D maaring maganda sakin pangit sa iyo.......Auditon first before you decide  ;D O0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on May 26, 2004 at 09:16 AM
Thanks, i'll probably do that but where in Manila can you find a place that carries both NAD & HK plus B&Ws? 

FYI:

Thank you for contacting Harman Audio.
In reference to your inquiry, the AVR 630 does not feature video up conversion or DPLIIx processing.
The only model that will feature video up conversion would be the AVR 7300 when it is released.
Down the road you may see an available DPLIIx upgrade for the AVR 630 but this would not be for at least another 3 months.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kid on May 26, 2004 at 09:39 AM
Pilsen,

Try Image Video in Harrison Plaza, they are the dealer of NAD products, dunno if they carry HK.

Good luck on your gear hunting!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 26, 2004 at 09:47 AM
Thanks, i'll probably do that but where in Manila can you find a place that carries both NAD & HK plus B&Ws? 

FYI:

Thank you for contacting Harman Audio.
In reference to your inquiry, the AVR 630 does not feature video up conversion or DPLIIx processing.
The only model that will feature video up conversion would be the AVR 7300 when it is released.
Down the road you may see an available DPLIIx upgrade for the AVR 630 but this would not be for at least another 3 months.


Try Spectra at Park Square in Makati , they both carry NAD and HK, dun ko binili NAD T752 ko dati pati HK ko ngayn.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 26, 2004 at 04:21 PM
Pilsen,

had the chance to own a NAD T752 and HK5500 for me both!! you'll watch and hear movie like never before pre.. will love the warm 2 channel pa.. :D :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on Jun 01, 2004 at 11:06 PM
Thanks guys, I finally bought the receiver an HK AVR 630. I can't wait for it to get here, should be here by the end of the month.
 
Do any of you guys who own this receiver have the 7.1 speaker setup, making use of all the channels for HT?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Jun 01, 2004 at 11:14 PM
HK 630, 7 channel amp is that what you mean? Woohh!!!! Congrats.... ;) ;) ;)


Thanks guys, I finally bought the receiver an HK AVR 630. I can't wait for it to get here, should be here by the end of the month.
 
Do any of you guys who own this receiver have the 7.1 speaker setup, making use of all the channels for HT?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on Jun 01, 2004 at 11:28 PM
yep the 7 channe receiver. kating kati na nga ako pero ang tagal pa.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on Jun 02, 2004 at 01:12 AM
Can any of you HK gurus explain exactly the difference between the HK AVR and DPR series receivers? The digital path receivers just seems to be slimmer and lighter, any other differences
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Jun 02, 2004 at 08:47 AM
the avr receivers uses analog power amplifier while the dpr receivers uses the digital amplifier that is why their size is considerably smaller.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on Jun 02, 2004 at 08:51 AM
so would the DPR receivers sound the same and have that warm sound HK is known for?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 02, 2004 at 10:26 AM
so would the DPR receivers sound the same and have that warm sound HK is known for?
for the DPR, digital input digital output
for the AVR, digital input analog output
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Jun 03, 2004 at 09:00 AM
Quote
so would the DPR receivers sound the same and have that warm sound HK is known for?
from what i read from other forums, they sound the same except that the analog types have more power.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 03, 2004 at 09:03 AM
pilsen,

Congrats!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jun 03, 2004 at 10:19 AM
congrats pilsen.. you got a powerful amp there.. enjoy..  :) btw what sepakers are you pairing it with?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on Jun 03, 2004 at 11:03 AM
Thanks guys after testing all those amps over and over again. the Nad t763 looked good to but it was a bit more expensive and didn't have 7 channels so ended up with the HK and the HK looked good as well as sounded great. I'm using B&W 602.5 series 3, LCR 60, and 600 s3 surrounds. Now time to save up for a sub. Looking at M&K. They sound great. Ang mahal lang!

Oh I looked up the Digital Path Receiver vs. the Analog Receivers and the difference aside from being digital (class D amp) and being smaller and virtually no heat is that it also has a higher total harmonic distortion level than analog amps. I was looking at it coz' it was half the weight and relatively cheaper. HK are putting these amps on SALE. Apparently, the DPR receivers though good did not fly as well as the analog receivers due to higher THD level .15%. They say as the years go by the THD level gets better as technology advances. Most people wanted to wait a few more years but those that have a bought also say they didn't really notice the difference as much. Hope this helps. I dont think the DPR series is being carried here though.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on Jun 03, 2004 at 12:06 PM
I see a lot of posts on the Hk 4550 and 5550 but I've never seen that receiver, its not on the website either. Is that an Asian model?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 03, 2004 at 12:08 PM
I see a lot of posts on the Hk 4550 and 5550 but I've never seen that receiver, its not on the website either. Is that an Asian model?

look here: http://international.harmankardon.com/international/default.asp?language=ENGLISH


previous versions:
http://international.harmankardon.com/products/?display=product_line&cat=REC&prod=AVR%208500/230&sType=H&language=ENGLISH
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Jun 04, 2004 at 09:12 AM
the dpr receivers are great if you are planning to add separate amplifiers and utilized it as a pre-pro only.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 04, 2004 at 09:37 AM
I agree, those digital Class D AV receivers make for execellent AV processor/preamps. 
In some discussion threads I've visited, mid-priced to flagship receivers costing about the same as separate digital processors/preaamps are preferred for their superior and stunning digital processing features.  But not necessarily their amp sections.  And receivers using the digital Class D amps have been tested to sound harsh.  Class D still has a long way to go to be accepted as a full-pledged audiophile configuration.

Many HT  receivers are really full version digital processor/preamps with multiple amp sections thrown in to make them more marketable.  Amps cost very little to make at those volumes, though they make up 60% of the weight.  There's a much bigger market for all-in-one boxes than there are for separates.  Hence, consumer brands, rather than make AV preamp/processor separates, would prefer to make more money with receivers. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mdman on Jun 05, 2004 at 06:18 AM
guys im planning to buy a hk 130, is this ok? and nakita ko sa specs niya is 45 watts into 8 ohms l. ok lang ba to use 6 ohms speakers w this?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 05, 2004 at 10:01 AM
guys im planning to buy a hk 130, is this ok? and nakita ko sa specs niya is 45 watts into 8 ohms l. ok lang ba to use 6 ohms speakers w this?
eventhough mababa ang watts nya super lakas nyan even 6 ohms ang speaker mo kaya pa yan
if u want u can audition the amplifier @ spectra parksquare 1
hope this will convince u to buy HK
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 05, 2004 at 11:12 AM
guys im planning to buy a hk 130, is this ok? and nakita ko sa specs niya is 45 watts into 8 ohms l. ok lang ba to use 6 ohms speakers w this?

Check the back of the receiver near the speaker terminals, I am almost certain it says there MINIMUM 4ohms.  So you're safe with your 6 ohms speakers.  And with them, I am sure the receiver high current abilities will deliver more than 45 watts.  I've heard HK receivers on the same load impedance sound just as powerful as many other Japanese brands claiming 100wpc.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Hollowfill8600 on Jun 05, 2004 at 12:01 PM
am browsing as well for avr's and i bumped into these helpful sites. pls access www.harmanaudio.com or www.harmankardon.com

specs of every hk products are within and you could compare...enjoi
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jun 07, 2004 at 10:02 AM
am browsing as well for avr's and i bumped into these helpful sites. pls access www.harmanaudio.com or www.harmankardon.com

specs of every hk products are within and you could compare...enjoi



salamat sa mga links....  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jun 07, 2004 at 10:19 AM
guys im planning to buy a hk 130, is this ok? and nakita ko sa specs niya is 45 watts into 8 ohms l. ok lang ba to use 6 ohms speakers w this?

you wont go wrong with a harman pre. ako i still audition new entry level receivers once in a while but havent found one with the sound quality that would match my harman. youll be surprised what 45 watts can do. and my b2 speakers are rated 6 ohms too so that should not be a problem for you.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 09, 2004 at 04:23 AM
Jammer,

Pre congrats HK130!!  :D :D ano speaker naman tayo.. >:D >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 18, 2004 at 04:43 PM
Anyone out there who can help me please?

I have a HK 5550 receiver and have been trying to make the necessary adjustments as recommended my the masters here at PDVD but when I see it on the TV screen it scrolls like it is in PAL system.   ??? I have been trying to find a solution in the manual but can't find any.  Or maybe I missed something out.

Please help salamat!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jun 18, 2004 at 04:48 PM
Anyone out there who can help me please?

I have a HK 5550 receiver and have been trying to make the necessary adjustments as recommended my the masters here at PDVD but when I see it on the TV screen it scrolls like it is in PAL system.   ??? I have been trying to find a solution in the manual but can't find any.  Or maybe I missed something out.

Please help salamat!

the same problem I encountered on my 3550.. your TV must be multi-system to be able to avoid continous scrolling of the display.. the OSD video format is in PAL..  :'(  >:( the newer models like the 30 series are american models hence its NTSC unlike the 1550,2550,3550,4550 and 5550 which are international models..

hth,
sebman
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 18, 2004 at 04:57 PM
Anyone out there who can help me please?

I have a HK 5550 receiver and have been trying to make the necessary adjustments as recommended my the masters here at PDVD but when I see it on the TV screen it scrolls like it is in PAL system.   ??? I have been trying to find a solution in the manual but can't find any.  Or maybe I missed something out.

Please help salamat!

AFAIK, most asian/european version of HK's OSD is in PAL format, you need to have multi-system or PAL TV to view the OSD properly.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 18, 2004 at 04:58 PM
No S@*t?  :o Talaga sir Sebman?  This is a problem talaga.  I don't have a multi system TV.  Even if I do get hold of one just to make the adjustments that means once I tinker with it done deal na yun sir? Kasi I don't plan to change my TV on account of the problem diba sir?  What did you do sir?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 18, 2004 at 05:01 PM
Thank you sir Philanderer for the insight. I was supposed to try the guides you game me sir for the settings with the speakers but cant do it.  :'(.  Now I feel that I am not getting the best out of the set-up I am just using the specs out of the box.  :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 18, 2004 at 05:06 PM
Work around is to borrow a PAL TV/Monitor then customize the settings...

Or meron bang videoinput through RCA yang PC mo, capture card or something like that?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 18, 2004 at 05:13 PM
Ok sir thank you will try to find a Multi-system monitor, one thing lang is if I feel the sound is not right I have no way of experimenting and getting to the right settings that I am happy with.  :(.  My PC does not have the video input you mentioned sir, but will keep that in mind when I have my PC done. With your recommendation I guess the PC has no problems with the PAL signal then I can check and change the setting anytime I want.  It will come in handy pala sir.

 :( :( :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 18, 2004 at 05:14 PM
Huling hirit... Isn't there any way to switch the signal to NTSC?  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 18, 2004 at 05:45 PM
Huling hirit... Isn't there any way to switch the signal to NTSC?  ;)

I'm not an HK owner, but PAL is the only system available, hehhehe you wouldn't come to ask that question if there is such right?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 18, 2004 at 05:47 PM
Ok sir thank you will try to find a Multi-system monitor, one thing lang is if I feel the sound is not right I have no way of experimenting and getting to the right settings that I am happy with.  :(.  My PC does not have the video input you mentioned sir, but will keep that in mind when I have my PC done. With your recommendation I guess the PC has no problems with the PAL signal then I can check and change the setting anytime I want.  It will come in handy pala sir.

 :( :( :(


Yes, since most (if not ALL) PC monitors are multi-system.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 18, 2004 at 06:03 PM


I'm not an HK owner, but PAL is the only system available, hehhehe you wouldn't come to ask that question if there is such right?

Yessir wishful thinking lang actually still hoping that maybe I just missed something. Looking for the simpler solution.  ;D



Yes, since most (if not ALL) PC monitors are multi-system.

Salamat sir!  Will contact the PC guys to have this installed for future use.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: akyatbundok on Jun 18, 2004 at 06:04 PM
ganun pala OSD of the x550 models are in PAL?? :-X  my friend was planning to acquire a 3550 pa naman (yun kay DOHbert sana if its still 4sale ;))..... pwede kaya mag-change ng settings using only the LED display?  kung pwede naman then i guess its ok, although mas convenient sana sa OSD.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 18, 2004 at 06:43 PM
Oo nga sir Akyat, can we do away with the OSD and sa LCD na lang in this case?  Hmmmm. I better check the manual again.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jun 18, 2004 at 06:49 PM
Oo nga sir Akyat, can we do away with the OSD and sa LCD na lang in this case?  Hmmmm. I better check the manual again.

sir tanong ko lang kung paanong connection ang ginawa mo kung di multi system ang TV mo, you can connect the video out of your DVD directly to your  TV and let your DVD set your in NTSC or Pal don't use the video out of your harman para di mag scroll down.. try this baka makatulong kesa bumili ka nang bagong TV ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: number1 on Jun 18, 2004 at 06:53 PM
I know its a MAJOR incovenience to have the osd in pal, esp. if your t.v. is only ntsc. Based on my experience, it wasn't that bad. I managed to adjust the sepaker levels, source selection, channel inputs, etc. (in other words, I was able to make the HK work 90% of the time just using the front display.) The manual was thoughtfully created with screenshots of the osd and even manages to even indicate the number times you have to press scroll button to reach a certain menu. :)

All in all its not that bad for me.   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jun 18, 2004 at 07:46 PM
Strange, the very first thing Jim of Spectra tells you about the HK AVR receiver is how to make the OSD to NTSC using the remote.  And reminds you the setting will remain even in standby more, but onced powered off, it resets to PAL.

Press AVR then Press OSD on the remote for at least 4 secs.  I think
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jun 18, 2004 at 08:02 PM
sir tanong ko lang kung paanong connection ang ginawa mo kung di multi system ang TV mo, you can connect the video out of your DVD directly to your  TV and let your DVD set your in NTSC or Pal don't use the video out of your harman para di mag scroll down.. try this baka makatulong kesa bumili ka nang bagong TV ;)

pre possible ba to? me video-in ba ang dvd player? alam ko puro out lang connection non a... alang IN.. san ko connect yung video out nung HK? iisang RCA port lang kasi yung OSD terminal nya dba?  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jun 18, 2004 at 08:05 PM
Strange, the very first thing Jim of Spectra tells you about the HK AVR receiver is how to make the OSD to NTSC using the remote.  And reminds you the setting will remain even in standby more, but onced powered off, it resets to PAL.

Press AVR then Press OSD on the remote for at least 4 secs.  I think

baka sir sa american models meron nito... kasi the moment i experienced this problem with my HK avr, I called beyond innovations and they said that the default video format is PAL... or maybe Jim of spectra is more knowledgeable than
beyond innovations technicians...  ;D  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jun 18, 2004 at 08:22 PM
So are you saying this won't work on your HK AVR?  Should we really care if Spectra's Jim "knows" more than Beyond Innovation's Technicians?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jun 19, 2004 at 07:19 AM
So are you saying this won't work on your HK AVR?  Should we really care if Spectra's Jim "knows" more than Beyond Innovation's Technicians?

got this from the 1st page of thread.. it clearly states that european models are by default PAL.. 1550-5550 are asian/european models hence its PAL.. american models are 130-630, compatible with ntsc.. it depends, IMHO I should care because since they are the authorized distributor and repair center HK products.. they should know the products that they are distributing and supporting..  :)





I wrote to Harman/Kardon Customer Support about AVR4000 OnScreenDisplay topic:

my friend bought the AVR4000 but we cannot use the On-Screen-Display
because it keeps on PalSecam Display when using only an NTSC TV.
Is there any buttons or reset combination to make this OSD be in NTSC signal?
thanx a lot.


And then their reply:

There is unfortunately no remedy for the problem that you have described.

The avr4000 that your friend has is a European model. The on screen display is thus encoded in PAL.

There is a US version of the avr4000 which is designed to be compatible with NTSC tvs. There is no possibility to alter the OSD on a particular model.

Yours Sincerely,
Kevin Finnerty

Customer Support.
HCI

AVR4000 = European Model
AVR310 = American Model


VACUUMTUBES

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jun 19, 2004 at 11:16 AM
Quote
american are models 130-630, compatible with ntsc..

My AVR330 is by default PAL, and 220V too.  So x30 series aren't all american models. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 19, 2004 at 12:47 PM


I wrote to Harman/Kardon Customer Support about AVR4000 OnScreenDisplay topic:

my friend bought the AVR4000 but we cannot use the On-Screen-Display
because it keeps on PalSecam Display when using only an NTSC TV.
Is there any buttons or reset combination to make this OSD be in NTSC signal?
thanx a lot.


And then their reply:

There is unfortunately no remedy for the problem that you have described.

The avr4000 that your friend has is a European model. The on screen display is thus encoded in PAL.

There is a US version of the avr4000 which is designed to be compatible with NTSC tvs. There is no possibility to alter the OSD on a particular model.

Yours Sincerely,
Kevin Finnerty

Customer Support.
HCI

AVR4000 = European Model
AVR310 = American Model



Very reassuring customer support from HK. :(

Are these European models being distrbuted locally by authorized HK dealers or purchased overseas?  If they are being sold here legit, they should have been converted to NTSC. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jun 19, 2004 at 04:21 PM


My AVR330 is by default PAL, and 220V too.  So x30 series aren't all american models. 

as stated above... american models are compatible with ntsc as the technical support from HK has answered through email... maybe thats why it has a procedure for toggling between ntsc/pal as opposed with the asian/european models..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jun 19, 2004 at 06:01 PM
Strange thing is, that conversion to NTSC isn't documented on the manual.  at least I think it's not.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: maozedong on Jun 19, 2004 at 11:21 PM
how much is a Harman Kardon AVR 230
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 19, 2004 at 11:36 PM
how much is a Harman Kardon AVR 230

around 27K
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: maozedong on Jun 19, 2004 at 11:37 PM
HOW MUSH IS AN Harman kKardon DVD31
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 20, 2004 at 10:32 AM
HOW MUSH IS AN Harman kKardon DVD31
there is still no dvd 31 in the market it is only dvd25 available in the market
it is pixel by pixel, progressive
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 20, 2004 at 10:38 AM


My AVR330 is by default PAL, and 220V too.  So x30 series aren't all american models. 
it can be changed to NTSC when you press the osd button and then holding the volume control botton for about 5 second but when you turn off the main power and turn it on again it will return to its original setting PAL
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Jun 21, 2004 at 12:08 AM

there is still no dvd 31 in the market it is only dvd25 available in the market
it is pixel by pixel, progressive

DVD 22 Already available
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on Jun 21, 2004 at 12:32 AM
AVR 7300 is out already 110wx7 built in video upconversion. The AVR 7300 is using the Faroujda 2301 chip. Basically it will upconvert composite, S-video and component video to 480P. HK kas provided a profile page for each input as the Faroujda has many parts and its setup varies depending upon signal. For example, if the source is a VCR there is a Film Edit mode. Also some test patterns are included. Oh and it has the new prologic IIx among other things.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: leanzki on Jun 21, 2004 at 07:46 AM
AVR 7300 is out already 110wx7 built in video upconversion. The AVR 7300 is using the Faroujda 2301 chip. Basically it will upconvert composite, S-video and component video to 480P. HK kas provided a profile page for each input as the Faroujda has many parts and its setup varies depending upon signal. For example, if the source is a VCR there is a Film Edit mode. Also some test patterns are included. Oh and it has the new prologic IIx among other things.

How much kaya ito.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 21, 2004 at 09:23 AM
Wow, panlaban sa Yamaha Z9. Mas mabigat pa sa Z9 even mas mataas ang power rating indication sa specs ng Yamaha.

consumes 1,360W Max for  7 x 110W (770watts)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 21, 2004 at 10:01 AM


DVD 22 Already available
sorry my mistake its 22 alright
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 21, 2004 at 10:28 AM


sir tanong ko lang kung paanong connection ang ginawa mo kung di multi system ang TV mo, you can connect the video out of your DVD directly to your  TV and let your DVD set your in NTSC or Pal don't use the video out of your harman para di mag scroll down.. try this baka makatulong kesa bumili ka nang bagong TV ;)

Sir, I connected the componeent outs of the DVD player to the receiver then receiver to the TV. Then I connected the out of the OSD to one of the Video ins of the TV so actually there is no scroll dowm while in DVD Video.  I was looking at the back of my Pioneer DVD player but there are no video ins sir hoping the player can convert the signal.  Salamat sa input though.  8)
I know its a MAJOR incovenience to have the osd in pal, esp. if your t.v. is only ntsc. Based on my experience, it wasn't that bad. I managed to adjust the sepaker levels, source selection, channel inputs, etc. (in other words, I was able to make the HK work 90% of the time just using the front display.) The manual was thoughtfully created with screenshots of the osd and even manages to even indicate the number times you have to press scroll button to reach a certain menu. :)

All in all its not that bad for me.   

Thank you sir will try to use the manual to do it step by step but my fear is if I make a mistake how do I undo the same? Is there a master reset button?  Have you also tried the other good suggestions here where you press the OSD button together with the volume control? 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 21, 2004 at 10:34 AM
Strange, the very first thing Jim of Spectra tells you about the HK AVR receiver is how to make the OSD to NTSC using the remote.  And reminds you the setting will remain even in standby more, but onced powered off, it resets to PAL.

Press AVR then Press OSD on the remote for at least 4 secs.  I think

Sir did this work for you?  8)


it can be changed to NTSC when you press the osd button and then holding the volume control botton for about 5 second but when you turn off the main power and turn it on again it will return to its original setting PAL

Sir was this effective?  It seems there are two ways of doing this. Will doing this affect the AVR performance if wrong?  Am bit scared in experimenting as I may not be able to put the settings back.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jun 21, 2004 at 10:41 AM
Yup.  Works for me and on my AVR330.    It's just a remote command  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 21, 2004 at 10:45 AM
Rivalz,

If you can work with the conversion and be able to view the OSD in NTSC format, good then and I STAND corrected.

Hopefully, there are settings to do so. Good luck.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 21, 2004 at 10:45 AM
Thanks sir Bravo so its pressing the AVR button first then the OSD button without releasing the AVR button is that right? Salamat!  8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 21, 2004 at 10:48 AM
Rivalz,

If you can work with the conversion and be able to view the OSD in NTSC format, good then and I STAND corrected.

Hopefully, there are settings to do so. Good luck.

Sir Philanderer salamat sa inputs will try this tonight and will post the results I hope it works!

Thanks! :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jun 21, 2004 at 10:49 AM
Pressing AVR button, only means you want to control the AVR per se. (the HK remotes can send commands to a multitude of devices kasi eh)...

Just press and Hold OSD until you see a clear picture of the menu.  Or try that other method.  I just know both aren't documented anywhere anyway.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 21, 2004 at 10:51 AM
Will do sir salamat!   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 21, 2004 at 11:16 AM
Sir, tanong lang po.  Is it normal for the AVR to get very hot to the point that you can't touch the top of the receiver?  There is a built in fan but whnever it gets this hot I don't feel any air movement in the area of the built in fan.  In fact mainit din dun sa fan.  May the fan not be working properly?  Or is the extreme temperature normal?  Baka kasi sir masunog kasi it smells like hot plastic burning sir?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: slayer on Jun 21, 2004 at 11:19 AM
Rivlaz,

Its not normal.  Make sure you have ample space for ventialation.  It would be hot but you should be able to touch it.   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 21, 2004 at 11:42 AM
Sir, tanong lang po.  Is it normal for the AVR to get very hot to the point that you can't touch the top of the receiver?  There is a built in fan but whnever it gets this hot I don't feel any air movement in the area of the built in fan.  In fact mainit din dun sa fan.  May the fan not be working properly?  Or is the extreme temperature normal?  Baka kasi sir masunog kasi it smells like hot plastic burning sir?

It is normal but the question is how long can the receiver stand such heat.

My receiver acts the same, as I've said earlier, you can't even touch the top panel for more than 2 second when the receiver is in continues operation for about 1 hour in considerably high volume.

But in order for you to avoid the case and the worst thing that can happen, proper ventillation can help a lot, if its not enough, buy or install a dedicated small fan for the receiver (altought depende sa set-up minsan nagpapapangit)...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 21, 2004 at 11:43 AM
and dont put anything on top and sides of the receiver. I used to put my DVD player on top of the receiver, after some time, I have a fried dvd player.. hehehehhe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 21, 2004 at 11:46 AM
Salamat sir sa input mga .  There is space naman sir for ventilation from the back and sides of the amp and there is nothing on top of the receiver. I wouldn't want my DVD player to be well done too  ;D

So I should have this checked with the dealer then. Akala ko kasi sir e it was normal to be hot and the fan would kick in only at a certain high temp.  But it seemed too hot sir.

In fact I put a blower on top of the AVR to suck the heat out ok naman the temp went down.  Wondering bago naman tong receiver.  Defective siguro yung fan?  :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jun 21, 2004 at 11:47 AM
and dont put anything on top and sides of the receiver. I used to put my DVD player on top of the receiver, after some time, I have a fried dvd player.. hehehehhe

Hmmm, have you tried cooking popcorn on top of your reciever??? hehehe.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 21, 2004 at 11:49 AM


Hmmm, have you tried cooking popcorn on top of your reciever??? hehehe.



Hehe OT: di pa naman, pero magpatuyo ng medyas nagawa ko na hehheeh joke  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 21, 2004 at 11:54 AM
Salamat sir sa input mga .  There is space naman sir for ventilation from the back and sides of the amp and there is nothing on top of the receiver. I wouldn't want my DVD player to be well done too  ;D

So I should have this checked with the dealer then. Akala ko kasi sir e it was normal to be hot and the fan would kick in only at a certain high temp.  But it seemed too hot sir.

In fact I put a blower on top of the AVR to suck the heat out ok naman the temp went down.  Wondering bago naman tong receiver.  Defective siguro yung fan?  :(

yes, better check na rin with the dealer if you think the fan is not working properly or produces a little low RPM than normal.
But as I said, receivers (especially if powerful) do get HOT and its normal, try to touch the transformer and the IC hehheheh. Or for you to really know how hot the components can go, try touching the glass tubes of the tube amp.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jun 21, 2004 at 11:56 AM
Hehe OT: di pa naman, pero magpatuyo ng medyas nagawa ko na hehheeh joke  ;D

Hmmm, magandang idea yan. Kailangang lang lagyan ng heat absorbing material sa paligid nung reciever para di maapektuhan yung ibang equipment.
 

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 21, 2004 at 12:10 PM
Ha ha haven't tried to popcorn nor the drying of socks I prefer barbecue sarap sa beer.  ;D

Yessir seen some tube amp set ups and they too tend to get quite hot. Don't want to touch them though baka mag crack sa moisture sa kamay sayang.  ;D

Will be calling the dealer after tonights last experiment on the heat problem.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jun 21, 2004 at 01:32 PM
Ha ha haven't tried to popcorn nor the drying of socks I prefer barbecue sarap sa beer.  ;D

You try this bago mo ipa-service and let us know the result.  Baka maka-imbento ka ng OVEN-AMP.  Basta huwag mo lang ipagsasabay yung bbq at yung socks ha ... hehehe.

Seriously, di dapat maging ganoon kainit unless may problema yung fan or yung sa coil.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 21, 2004 at 01:49 PM
Noted sir JT will check tonight the amp.  Coil?  Yikes?! San yun?

Hmmm that is a bad idea to put the socks and barbecue together I will remember that, but how bout the popcorn?  ;D  If this is successful the first oven-amp will be born! Whose patent will this be? Laking pera nito!  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: maozedong on Jun 21, 2004 at 10:04 PM
Can you FEEL or at least HEAR the difference between a 192/24....96/24....192/32 DACs
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jun 21, 2004 at 10:37 PM
Where have I seen this question before?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: slayer on Jun 21, 2004 at 11:01 PM
This is subjective... it totally depends on the person listening. Some do notice and some actually don't...

Can you FEEL or at least HEAR the difference between a 192/24....96/24....192/32 DACs
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 21, 2004 at 11:46 PM
Can you FEEL or at least HEAR the difference between a 192/24....96/24....192/32 DACs

The question may be technically incomplete.... but I'll try to answer..


My installment answer:

1. DAC of DVD player
2. DAC of Receiver
3. DAC of CD player
4. Source


First DAC of DVD player. To give you direct example, I'm gonna use the DAC of the DVD-Audio player, say the source is 192/24, and the DAC of the player is 192/24, of course you'll be able to utilize the DAC of the player; if the DAC of the player is 96/24, the player can't decode the signal thus you will not be able to hear the 192/24 encoded unless you downsample it.

The thing is, you can only diffentiate the DAC qualities  and sound differences with regard to the source. CD Audio in general has 16 bit and 44.1Khz. If the DACs has the same properties (brand, technology, etc, except the sampling frequency and the audio bit resolution) CD-Audio will sound the same in 192/24 or 96/24 DACs. 


In CD-Audio, you may hear the difference if the DAC not because of the resolution and the samples but because of different properties and specs of the DACs.

I may be wrong though....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 22, 2004 at 10:08 AM


Sir did this work for you?  8)



Sir was this effective?  It seems there are two ways of doing this. Will doing this affect the AVR performance if wrong?  Am bit scared in experimenting as I may not be able to put the settings back.  :)
it will only work for the new models
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 22, 2004 at 10:13 AM
Noted sir JT will check tonight the amp.  Coil?  Yikes?! San yun?

Hmmm that is a bad idea to put the socks and barbecue together I will remember that, but how bout the popcorn?  ;D  If this is successful the first oven-amp will be born! Whose patent will this be? Laking pera nito!  ;D
its just normal for the amp to be hot cause i tried it in the standby mode for the whole day and the fan didn't turned on
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jun 22, 2004 at 10:28 AM
its just normal for the amp to be hot cause i tried it in the standby mode for the whole day and the fan didn't turned on

You mean your amp gets hot even on standby mode?  I have two amp which is on standby mode when Im not using and I dont have this problem.








Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jun 22, 2004 at 10:38 AM


You mean your amp gets hot even on standby mode?  I have two amp which is on standby mode when Im not using and I dont have this problem.



Hi JT,

Mine is not acting like this.

If i left the receiver in ON status (not standby) and no signal that is being fed, in -12 to -16db volume my amp gets HOT, its like there's signal that is being process.

You may want to try it, using 6 analog direct input connected with at least 5 speakers, leave the volume to -12db

and check after 45 minutes...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jun 22, 2004 at 10:54 AM

You mean your amp gets hot even on standby mode?  I have two amp which is on standby mode when Im not using and I dont have this problem.


try to check all speaker wires. you may have a grounded/shorted wire.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 22, 2004 at 11:00 AM

it will only work for the new models

Sir I think you are right I tried both ways pressing the OSD for a few seconds as well as with the volume control. Bigo  :(.  It was woth the try though. Thanks for the inputs to try and solve this.

its just normal for the amp to be hot cause i tried it in the standby mode for the whole day and the fan didn't turned on

Just to add my avr does get hot when on standby mode too sir and no fan kicking in still. And I tested again last night to use the AVR for two channel audio only and same problem it smells like burning plastic and the fan still does not kick in (putting my hand near the vent for any air movement and the center of the fan grill is hot too so I assume it is not on) although naka aircon.  Will be calling the shop today. Di kaya talagang high ang temp requirment nung amp and fan will only kick in at an extreme temp which is in our opinion or observation too hot already but normal to the amp's function?? What is the normal temp range for the fan to kick in??
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jun 22, 2004 at 11:14 AM
its just normal for the amp to be hot cause i tried it in the standby mode for the whole day and the fan didn't turned on

Im referring to zakkas reply above, mine is ok.

BTW. My amps are yamaha 440 and marantz sr4400 but I have also tested this with HK 5500 and did not encounter the problem.
 
 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jun 22, 2004 at 11:19 AM
Sir I think you are right I tried both ways pressing the OSD for a few seconds as well as with the volume control. Bigo  :(.  It was woth the try though. Thanks for the inputs to try and solve this.

atleast you tried sir..  :) now were not comparing apples to oranges anymore..  ;) american models 130-730 are ntsc compatible while asian/european models 1550-5550 are not.. as the technical support from HK wrote and from your experiences in doing the procedure..  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 22, 2004 at 03:20 PM
Sir, tanong lang po.  Is it normal for the AVR to get very hot to the point that you can't touch the top of the receiver?  There is a built in fan but whnever it gets this hot I don't feel any air movement in the area of the built in fan.  In fact mainit din dun sa fan.  May the fan not be working properly?  Or is the extreme temperature normal?  Baka kasi sir masunog kasi it smells like hot plastic burning sir?

IMHO, this is not normal, unless the reciever is configured to operate as pure class A.  Bear in mind that the top cover is anchored onto the chassis by screws.  The heat generated results more from heat conduction than actual metal transfer. If the top cover is hot, the heat sink must even be hotter.

If you bring your ears a bit close to the unit, you should hear a faint whirl of the fan and its motor and there should be air flowing at the back port.  Most professional power amps I've worked with have this and I can sense the air flow from the back panel.  Either air is sucked out or into.  If you don't sense this, the fan may not working.  Fans are there precisely to ventillate the heat sinks whose power transistors must have been biased at max levels or due to inadequate heat sinks constrained by chassis size.  Otherwise, you run the risk of bringing the amp to a condition called a thermal runaway.  In short, fried to a crisp.  ;D

Without any signal, a class AB amp is just warm to the touch and is overly warm when operating at low intensity.  With the fan on at high volumes after a few hours, you should still be able to touch the cover even with your onion-skin palm.  ;D 

I would suggest opening the gear and confirm the fan working.  If not, bring it to the service shop or simply point a small fan directly onto the receiver. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 22, 2004 at 05:08 PM
Sir Sebman

I guess that is the case for the new and old models bummer.  Will just have to find another way to "skin the cat" so to speak sir.  ;D

Sir Av Phile

Sir wala talaga movement of air from the fan port nor any sound although it is said in the manual that the fan is silent I must at least hear something if there was any movement but negative sir.  I agree with you that the heat must be very high as there is no direct contact with the metal grill that we can easily reach and touch I called the shop and they told me it was normal to be very hot as there have been similar complaints on this but that it was perfectly normal.  They supposedly "Burned" one unit for one day and it did reach high temperatures and the fan supposedly kicked in.  So I really don't know sir.  ??? Actually I want to ask their technocal guy if there is any way we can test the fan if the sensor is working properly without "toasting" the amp first.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 22, 2004 at 05:15 PM
If that's normal, then there is nothing to worry about.  But I personally would want to confirm if the fan is working or not.  The designers installed that fan as for a purpose.  If I can open the gear without voiding the warranty to see if the fan is working, I'd do so.  Just for peace of mind.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 22, 2004 at 05:53 PM
I agree with you sir it would be best to do that and have peace of mind but there are stickers on the panel so can't do so.

It's hard to have peace of mind when they say its normal but your smell tells you something different.   :o Like its BARBECUE time!!! ;D

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 22, 2004 at 11:25 PM
Grabe talaga mag init ang Harman, though this is normal as long as ur amp has proper ventilation, pero to be sure i put a small fan on top of the receiver para worry free ehehehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jun 23, 2004 at 09:32 AM
Grabe talaga mag init ang Harman, though this is normal as long as ur amp has proper ventilation, pero to be sure i put a small fan on top of the receiver para worry free ehehehehe

one thing din na naobserbahan ko kapag 8 ohms ang speaker load halos minimal alng init pero less than that talagang malakas cyang mag init pero habang tumatagal nagiging normal na rin kaya for need talaga ng space para makahinga nang maluewag  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 23, 2004 at 12:09 PM
Putting a fan on top of the AVR does help a lot and there is not much heat to the touch but you can feel that it is warm in the general area of the AVR. Init talaga but at least no more "barbecued plastic" smell. 

 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jun 23, 2004 at 01:32 PM
Putting a fan on top of the AVR does help a lot and there is not much heat to the touch but you can feel that it is warm in the general area of the AVR. Init talaga but at least no more "barbecued plastic" smell. 

Baka naman meron talagang plastic sa loob ng amp mo, may lagay at di mo napansin ... hehehe.

I suggest you post your case here at harman kardon feedback site. 
http://www.harmankardon.com/product_support/interstitial.asp?prod=&stype=feedback&pagenumber=2

Tapos balitaan mo kami dito ha ...

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 23, 2004 at 02:29 PM
Ganun?  Pag may naglagay ng plastic dun on purpose to sabotage me....Hindi na siya sisikatan ng araw!!! He he ala FPJ  ;D How could they do that to my Preciouuuuussss!!!  ;D

Thanks for the link sir JT will take a look at it.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 23, 2004 at 03:55 PM
rival,

sir normal lang yun burning smell since new pa lang unit mo..  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 23, 2004 at 07:12 PM
rival,

sir normal lang yun burning smell since new pa lang unit mo..  :D

Tama si Hans, ganyan din yung akin nung bago pa unit, pag nagtagal maawala din yan
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jun 24, 2004 at 07:28 AM
Ganun?  Pag may naglagay ng plastic dun on purpose to sabotage me....Hindi na siya sisikatan ng araw!!! He he ala FPJ  ;D How could they do that to my Preciouuuuussss!!!  ;D

Thanks for the link sir JT will take a look at it.

actually hindi plastic yon varnish na nakacoated sa PCB nya yon
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 24, 2004 at 11:48 AM
J_albert,

Ah ok usually around 2 to 3 months wala na yun smell..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jun 24, 2004 at 01:43 PM
J_albert,

Ah ok usually around 2 to 3 months wala na yun smell..

Wala na talaga yung smell o baka naman immune na ... hehehe.   

But if the smell is normal, Harman Kardon company should have identified that immediately and has done something about it.  I dont think this is acceptable, papaano pumasa sa QC? 

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 24, 2004 at 04:23 PM
JT,

Pre no just HK amp... usually sa new electronic meron smell kahit sa PC sir meron :D :D :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jun 24, 2004 at 06:30 PM


Wala na talaga yung smell o baka naman immune na ... hehehe.   

But if the smell is normal, Harman Kardon company should have identified that immediately and has done something about it.  I dont think this is acceptable, papaano pumasa sa QC? 




actually lahat nang bago ganon ang amoy pero pag nagtagal mawawala rin yan ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Dracula on Jun 25, 2004 at 04:42 PM
rival,

sir normal lang yun burning smell since new pa lang unit mo..  :D


Yun nga ang masarap pag bago ang gear yung burnt smell! hhhhhmmmm amoy bago sarap! (addict  ka  ano!) ;D

Seriously folks I'm looking to upgrade my receiver how much would the avr 330 be worth in manila?(or a equivalent model) nakakita kasi ako worth 50k...don't know if that's a good price....thanks O0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jun 26, 2004 at 09:35 AM
I agree, all electronics pag bago magkakaamoy nang ganyan, my yamaha before, may denon and my NAD, pareho nang amoy..

Isa pa we purchased 30 PC dito sa opis and we burn in the PC for about 12 hours, same smell specially sa mga monitors.....

Pag may kasama nang usok yung amoy ehehehe thats the time we push the panic button lol
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 26, 2004 at 10:30 AM



Yun nga ang masarap pag bago ang gear yung burnt smell! hhhhhmmmm amoy bago sarap! (addict  ka  ano!) ;D

Seriously folks I'm looking to upgrade my receiver how much would the avr 330 be worth in manila?(or a equivalent model) nakakita kasi ako worth 50k...don't know if that's a good price....thanks O0
its about 31T
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: maozedong on Jun 27, 2004 at 10:26 PM
Guys, does the HK avr 130 have enough power to drive the diamond 8.4 together with the diamond center... il be using my Pyle bookshelves as surround... tnx......
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: estan on Jun 27, 2004 at 11:32 PM
I'm currently undecided on what receiver to buy.. i'm choosing between hk130 and 230.. worth it ba yung price difference if i get the 230? almost 7k din kasi yung difference sa price... sabi nila more watts and an additional 6th channel lang daw yung edge ng 230 sa 130...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jun 27, 2004 at 11:57 PM
Get the 230 so you wont upgrade anymore.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jun 28, 2004 at 03:20 PM
if ure room is small.... 5.1 would suffice.. but i suggest you go with 230 or better yet if you have more money to spend.. go with 330.. its future/upgrade/sars proof....  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jun 28, 2004 at 05:06 PM
if ure room is small.... 5.1 would suffice.. but i suggest you go with 230 or better yet if you have more money to spend.. go with 330.. its future/upgrade/sars proof....  ;D  ;)

sir sebman,

Meron bang SARs proof?? hehehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: maozedong on Jun 29, 2004 at 12:10 AM
Guys, does the HK avr 130 have enough power to drive the diamond 8.4 together with the diamond center... il be using my Pyle bookshelves as surround... tnx......

wala bang papansin sakin??
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jun 29, 2004 at 08:59 AM


wala bang papansin sakin??

kaya yan sir.. conservative lang yung rating nung hk kaya kala mo underpower sya.. better yet audition this combo.. try spectra at makati.. they carry both products..

hth,
sebman
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jun 29, 2004 at 11:40 AM
Its comforting to know that ganun talaga amoy ng bago (although good point from sir JT as this was not acknowledged by HK as normal), though just to be on the safe side I'm keeping the small fan on top at all times from turning it on till shutting if off only when I turn the unit off.   Sarap nga ng amoy bago pag medyo mainit pa lang pero pag HOTAH!! HOTAH!!! na e nakakatakot parang binabarbecue he he. O0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: maozedong on Jul 01, 2004 at 01:39 AM
JUST GOT MY NEW HARMAN KARDON AVR-130.....  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D i'm so gald i chose this baby rather than getting caught by the 6.1 7.1 hype.... i dont have enough money to get a quality 6.1 or 7.1 AVR thats why i chose the best entry level 5.1 AVR out there.......

here's my setup:
HARMAN KARDON AVR-130
front: wharfedale 302 Bookshelf (changed the bass drivers to PYLE ful range drivers)
center: wharfedale diamond 8c
rear: wharfedale diamond 8.1
no subwoofer yet....... i might not get one because i'm very pleased with the current bass output of my system.... maybe the PYLE found a perfect avr for her...hehehhe

i'm a PROUD!! HARMAN owner.... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jul 01, 2004 at 08:02 AM
congrats maozedong!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: estan on Jul 01, 2004 at 12:28 PM
congrats maozedong!!

maybe you can give your personal review on the hk130...  ;D i'm also interested in this model but i'm confused whether to get this or the 230
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jul 01, 2004 at 12:49 PM
Congrats maozedong!!  ;D Would be looking forward to your reviews on it.  Does it also get very hot? 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jul 01, 2004 at 10:03 PM
JUST GOT MY NEW HARMAN KARDON AVR-130.....  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D i'm so gald i chose this baby rather than getting caught by the 6.1 7.1 hype.... i dont have enough money to get a quality 6.1 or 7.1 AVR thats why i chose the best entry level 5.1 AVR out there.......

here's my setup:
HARMAN KARDON AVR-130
front: wharfedale 302 Bookshelf (changed the bass drivers to PYLE ful range drivers)
center: wharfedale diamond 8c
rear: wharfedale diamond 8.1
no subwoofer yet....... i might not get one because i'm very pleased with the current bass output of my system.... maybe the PYLE found a perfect avr for her...hehehhe

i'm a PROUD!! HARMAN owner.... ;D ;D ;D

Sir Congrats.. reminder break in period Hk mo so moderate volume muna.. hehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bruce wayne on Jul 01, 2004 at 10:20 PM
HARMAN
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bruce wayne on Jul 01, 2004 at 10:23 PM
I'm currently undecided on what receiver to buy.. i'm choosing between hk130 and 230.. worth it ba yung price difference if i get the 230? almost 7k din kasi yung difference sa price... sabi nila more watts and an additional 6th channel lang daw yung edge ng 230 sa 130...

settle f0r the 330, maliit lang difference nun sa 230 which is 7.1 na, i bought mine from mega acoustic space look for mark
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jul 02, 2004 at 12:38 AM


settle f0r the 330, maliit lang difference nun sa 230 which is 7.1 na, i bought mine from mega acoustic space look for mark

agree if budget permit go with the 330.. the price difference is more or less 4T..   :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: maozedong on Jul 02, 2004 at 01:31 AM
congrats maozedong!
congrats maozedong!!

maybe you can give your personal review on the hk130...  ;D i'm also interested in this model but i'm confused whether to get this or the 230
Congrats maozedong!!  ;D Would be looking forward to your reviews on it.  Does it also get very hot? 


Sir Congrats.. reminder break in period Hk mo so moderate volume muna.. hehehe
hans & france

Thanks Guys... I think i really deserve a congratulations for choosing the AVR-130. Hindi naman siya masyadong maiinit. Ive read your post about the heating issues of HARMANs, well i guess the newer models doesnt have it..... In my case i have to put a small fan on its side because i installed it on a close cabinet, the top and the left side was completely covered.... Any way i got mine from SPECTRA at park square1 for P19.5k as we all know HARMAN receivers are the best looking receivers out there.... I can say that i only heard the real dynamic range present in DVD after i watched "LAST SAMURAI"..... :p my cousin's YAMAHA-JBL-BOSE setup was a no match w/ mine now.... Idont know why some poeple on the net that review the receiver asked for a better manual, i never had a HARMAN before but i find it so easy to set-up the system even w/out the harman.... I think the most outstanding feature of this receiver was the triple X-over, speaker and bass management..... if you are using different speakers then this one is for you..... I agree w/ ZDNET, this is a real SONIC thoroughbred.....WHAT DA!!! the VMAX is freaking real!... as in it can fool anyone that doesn't know that you are only using two speakers.. i was so shocked w/ the virtual surround performance that i finished listening the entire BLINK 182s album (i was intending to listen to 1 song just to try the VMAX feature..... Of all the virtual surround modes VMAX is definitely the best.... if you only have two speakers, ill say that harman is a must have.... what made me decide to buy these speakers is because i heard it drive a pair 350watts infinity floor standers, 200watt center, together w/ klipsch surround speakers.... And it provided excessive volume w/out any distortion.... hehe.. thats HIGH CURRENT and ULTRA BANDWIDTH for you!

hans and frans: whats moderate volume? 0db? well 0db is the highest i volume that i got and its realy ear piercing.... how long is its breakin?? is 30hrs play time enough??

Guys i'll post pictures tommorow........
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jul 02, 2004 at 01:50 AM
Good choice. Enjoy your Harman.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jul 02, 2004 at 08:32 AM
When I first bought my AVR330, -20db was really the loudness I liked.   Nowadays it's crawled down to -35db, around 2 months later yun, pero my MP3's are too loud so I usually play them at -40db.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Jul 02, 2004 at 11:02 AM
bravoexo,

ano'ng individual speaker level setting mo?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jul 02, 2004 at 12:22 PM
My 8.4 Fronts are a flat -0db
My surrounds are from a Philips HTiB, so I have to pump them up a bit by +5 - 7db just to compensate for the 8.4's
While the center is at +7db (since it's also from that package of philips speakers that have 50W at 8 ohm)

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Jul 02, 2004 at 02:39 PM
Ok Sir Bravo.

Mine kasi average volume ko is -20 to -15 dpende pa din sa software.
matrix reloaded original umaabot ako ng -8. Kill Bill vol. 1 malakas. -28 pa lang anglakas na.

But the individual settings are:

FL, FR: 0
Center: +1
Surround (L and R): +2
Sub: -2

Concert DVDs I can reach upto +3 without distortion. Its loud but forgiving to the ears. Not ear piercing.
But the woofers from front and center are moving violently na. (Front is set to Large).
Though it is not an HK. he he he.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jul 02, 2004 at 05:13 PM
oo nga, napaisip ako dun ah.  Kenwood nga pala yung AVR mo, if I'm not mistaken.   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: [r0n1n] on Jul 04, 2004 at 09:53 AM
JUST GOT MY NEW HARMAN KARDON AVR-130.....  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D i'm so gald i chose this baby rather than getting caught by the 6.1 7.1 hype.... i dont have enough money to get a quality 6.1 or 7.1 AVR thats why i chose the best entry level 5.1 AVR out there.......

here's my setup:
HARMAN KARDON AVR-130
front: wharfedale 302 Bookshelf (changed the bass drivers to PYLE ful range drivers)
center: wharfedale diamond 8c
rear: wharfedale diamond 8.1
no subwoofer yet....... i might not get one because i'm very pleased with the current bass output of my system.... maybe the PYLE found a perfect avr for her...hehehhe

i'm a PROUD!! HARMAN owner.... ;D ;D ;D

sir magkano score mo sa 130 at saan mo din nabili?  thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: leanzki on Jul 06, 2004 at 01:50 AM
Good combination ba talaga ang HK and Warfedale? Can anyone give some price list of the speaker and AVR, Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jul 06, 2004 at 09:41 AM
Sir

Hk 130 - 19,800 ata
Wharf diamond package center/8.3/8.1 = 15,+++ ata...
sub - 6k
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: maozedong on Jul 06, 2004 at 09:41 PM
sir magkano score mo sa 130 at saan mo din nabili?  thanks

P19500 @ Spectra.......

mga bro, ok lang ba iwan na nakaon ung main power switch ng AVR? yun bang 24/7 naka-on.... or dapat completely off pag di ginagamit..... masira kaya yun kung laging naka-on???

DIAMOND 8c = P4400
DIAMOND 8.1 = P4800
DIAMOND 8.4 = P8800

If you can have these speakers, ok na ok na ang setup mo, syiempre only HARMAN can bring out the best of these speakers....

:: for me HARMAN KARDON have no entry level receivers ::
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jul 07, 2004 at 01:37 AM
I leave my receiver on standby mode but if Im going out of the house or if there are thunderstorms, I turn it off.

Satisfied HK owner
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jul 07, 2004 at 08:53 AM
Ako laging naka off, patay buhay kasi kuryente sa amin eh nakaka badtrip
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jul 07, 2004 at 08:54 AM
Good combination ba talaga ang HK and Warfedale? Can anyone give some price list of the speaker and AVR, Thanks.

I agree, Im using 8.1, 8.3 and Diamond 8 center for my harman :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fierari on Jul 07, 2004 at 12:55 PM


I agree, Im using 8.1, 8.3 and Diamond 8 center for my harman :)

naks yan ang bagong 8.1 ni courage gagamitin daw nyang fronts  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jul 08, 2004 at 10:11 AM


naks yan ang bagong 8.1 ni courage gagamitin daw nyang fronts  ;D

Nyahahahaha hindi, wala pa lang akong brackets kaya sya muna fronts ko at isa pa break in ko pa sya ehehehe.

Oi perari sa linggo ha..dala ka nang magandang music CD's para soundtrip tayo a bahay
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jul 08, 2004 at 10:51 AM
Does anyone vaccum their HK's?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jul 08, 2004 at 11:04 AM
Sir Bravo

I don't vacuume them I use a blower to get the dust off from all angles.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: leanzki on Jul 08, 2004 at 08:02 PM


I agree, Im using 8.1, 8.3 and Diamond 8 center for my harman :)

Thanks sa reply sir, ask ko din what cable gamit mo to connect your AVR and speakers.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jul 08, 2004 at 11:24 PM


Thanks sa reply sir, ask ko din what cable gamit mo to connect your AVR and speakers.

Ohhh im just using generic 12 g speaker wires, wala pang budget for a branded cables, so far oks naman
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fourcaljr on Jul 11, 2004 at 06:12 PM
Tanong lang po. I'm a satisfied owner of an HK 3250 amp/tuner. The unit has been with me since 1998 and it's still performing very well. My only problem now are the tuner station presets. Example: I will turn on the amp, set the station presets, use it for 2 hours then turn the unit off. When I turn the unit on again after an hour or so, the presets stored in memory have been lost. This usually happens before but thats because I only use the unit on a weekly basis. I assumed that the unit uses an internal battery to retain memory, much like cellphones and computers. And that it would just be a matter of replacing a defective battery to fix the problem. But when I opened the unit, I can't find any component that can closely resemble to a battery. Was looking by the way for those round lithium type of batteries. Was my assumption wrong? Has anyone been in a similar situation? If yes, can it be remedied on your own (replacing a simple component, etc.) or do you really need to bring the unit to a technician for servicing? Thanks.
       
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 12, 2004 at 09:42 AM
When you turn off the unit, is it totally off or on standby.  If it's totally off, the memory can be lost.  If it's on standby, there's still power sufficient to retain the settings on a volatile RAM usually used for presets. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jul 12, 2004 at 02:48 PM
I remember not using my amp for a month, i even put it in its box kasi nga in one month period lilipat na ako nang bahay, so nilagay ko muna sa box. Umabot nang one month. Im amaze nung kinabit ko ulit, all my settings are still there incluiding the saved FM stations.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 12, 2004 at 03:23 PM
Apparently your HK uses flash or non-volatile RAM.  OR has internal batteries.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bayonic on Jul 12, 2004 at 10:54 PM
hi,

i've auditioned an HK330 with Monitor Audio and Usher bookshelves and found them to be within my budget and loved the sound < so did my wife who writes the checks/swipes the card :) >

i have just a few more questions before making the final decision which I hope some of you satisfied HK owners can help :

1. while going through the online users reviews , i've read some reports that the HK AVRs would just automatically crank up the volume level and you can't manually turn it back down ... but instead have to power down the unit . Any of you guys encountered a similar problem ?

2. has the problem with not playing DTS on some DVDs been fixed with the 330 ?

3. any comment on the local HK service support ? how long does it take for them to repair a unit experiencing a problem ? any of you have experience actually sending in your units for warranty repairs ?

tia.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: slayer on Jul 13, 2004 at 09:24 AM
bayonic,

So far, i haven't encountered any of the problems you mentioned on my 2550.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jul 13, 2004 at 05:08 PM
I have an AVR330 an HK and I did experience #1 once...  but it's just because I didn't have a default volume set.  (I came from calibrating the set, and forgot to return the volume to -40, so it stayed at -15, and turned the unit on stand by, when my father used it, the volume was at -15...hence it was very loud...)  It's not really a problem...  #2, nope, I play DTS and DD just fine.  #3 not really experience that yet.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jul 13, 2004 at 06:59 PM
How come puro high end HK models lang ang makikita sa mga review magazines or sa mga sites.  Anybody who knows any link for HK reviews.

 


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jul 13, 2004 at 07:26 PM
How come puro high end HK models lang ang makikita sa mga review magazines or sa mga sites.  Anybody who knows any link for HK reviews.

I take it back, meron pala sa www.homecinemachoice.   Ang hinahanap ko pala eh yung comparison ng mga entry levels esp between Onkyo/Yamaha/Marantz vs HK.  Anyone knows?

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jul 13, 2004 at 11:54 PM
No problem with my 330
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bayonic on Jul 14, 2004 at 09:17 AM
thanks for your replies guys ...

isa pang tanong kung pwede ....

how often mo bang kailangan mag calibrate ?

kasi i'm comparing AVRs and other brands have those Automatic Calibration systems

i think the 330 also has it and the mic or detector is embedded in the remote ? tama ba ?
while other brands come with optional mics that you need to connect to perform the automatic calibration .

anyway back to my original question .... do you really need the automatic calibration ? how often do you need to perform the calibration or when do you need to recalibrate ? are the results better compared to manual calibration wherein you just input the distance from speakers to listening spot ?

thanks again for your replies
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Jul 14, 2004 at 09:28 AM
you calibrate when:

1. you move the speakers
2. you move furniture in the room
3. when you change cables
4. you change speakers
5. after 2 weeks (when breaking in new equipment)

hope this helps
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jul 14, 2004 at 09:33 AM
thanks for your replies guys ...

isa pang tanong kung pwede ....

how often mo bang kailangan mag calibrate ?

kasi i'm comparing AVRs and other brands have those Automatic Calibration systems

i think the 330 also has it and the mic or detector is embedded in the remote ? tama ba ?
while other brands come with optional mics that you need to connect to perform the automatic calibration .

anyway back to my original question .... do you really need the automatic calibration ? how often do you need to perform the calibration or when do you need to recalibrate ? are the results better compared to manual calibration wherein you just input the distance from speakers to listening spot ?

thanks again for your replies


 I think isang beses mo lang calibrate oks na, unless u change the position of ur speakers or inilipat mo buong HT mo sa ibang room. or nagpalit ka nang ibang brand nang speakers..

The best calibration is by Using an SPL meter i think, although ayos ding gamitin yung EZsetup nang HK kesa sa manual listening or kung wala kang SPL meter. Alos merong mga Calibration DVD's na mabibili ka
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jul 14, 2004 at 05:52 PM
you calibrate when:

1. you move the speakers
2. you move furniture in the room
3. when you change cables
4. you change speakers
5. after 2 weeks (when breaking in new equipment)

hope this helps

Senyor Don Iceman,

Correct ka dyan..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fourcaljr on Jul 14, 2004 at 09:24 PM
av_phile1: I always unplug the unit after turning it off. Strange lang kasi dati naman kahit unplug ko yung unit, after 3 or 4 days retained pa rin yung presets. Pero ngayon, after an hour lang, wala na  :(.  I'll check the net if I can find something about my amp. Wala kasi talaga akong makitang batt sa loob ng unit. Thanks for your reply. Thanks too Courage.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Jul 15, 2004 at 05:56 PM
The memory may need replacement.

I have encounterd this to one of our mini components.

The Station preset is lost when you turn off the unit and unplug it.

I don't know if it will be the same with yours.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jul 24, 2004 at 07:47 AM
HK/MA All the Way!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wgx428 on Jul 24, 2004 at 09:59 AM
hello,

I'm planning to get an HK (AVR 230).  Tanong ko lang kung saan pinakamagandang kumuha nito?  I've seen yung AV Store thead pero parang di complete yung list.  Would appreciate any information about HK distributors and stores in Manila.

BTW, would also appreciate any comments you have on the 230.  I was initially just planning to get the 130 (just starting on HT) but it was lacking the auto-calibration and on-screen display, aside from being 1 channel and 5watts less.  Would you consider the price difference justifiable to get the 230?

Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bayonic on Jul 24, 2004 at 11:50 AM
hello,

I'm planning to get an HK (AVR 230).  Tanong ko lang kung saan pinakamagandang kumuha nito?  I've seen yung AV Store thead pero parang di complete yung list.  Would appreciate any information about HK distributors and stores in Manila.

BTW, would also appreciate any comments you have on the 230.  I was initially just planning to get the 130 (just starting on HT) but it was lacking the auto-calibration and on-screen display, aside from being 1 channel and 5watts less.  Would you consider the price difference justifiable to get the 230?

Thanks.

Architectural Audio ..... they're located inside the New World Hotel's Shopping Arcade . makati avenue corner pasay road.

they have the entire HK line I think ... for 4 or 5K more , you can get the 330.

give them a try ... they're one of the nicest audio stores around.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Jul 24, 2004 at 10:13 PM
or kung ok lang sayo 2nd hand...meron sa buy and sell section...
HK3550 from zephyr and my avr325  ;D
for brand new...Architectural Audio!!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jul 25, 2004 at 08:46 PM
hello,

I'm planning to get an HK (AVR 230).  Tanong ko lang kung saan pinakamagandang kumuha nito?  I've seen yung AV Store thead pero parang di complete yung list.  Would appreciate any information about HK distributors and stores in Manila.

BTW, would also appreciate any comments you have on the 230.  I was initially just planning to get the 130 (just starting on HT) but it was lacking the auto-calibration and on-screen display, aside from being 1 channel and 5watts less.  Would you consider the price difference justifiable to get the 230?


Thanks.

Bro if you have the budget get the higher or mid models btw what speakers you plan to use??

Stores... Architectural Audio look for Nico / Epoy sila owner very accomodating.. or Spectra look for JIm mabait yan..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Jul 26, 2004 at 04:48 PM
hello,

I'm planning to get an HK (AVR 230).  Tanong ko lang kung saan pinakamagandang kumuha nito?  I've seen yung AV Store thead pero parang di complete yung list.  Would appreciate any information about HK distributors and stores in Manila.

BTW, would also appreciate any comments you have on the 230.  I was initially just planning to get the 130 (just starting on HT) but it was lacking the auto-calibration and on-screen display, aside from being 1 channel and 5watts less.  Would you consider the price difference justifiable to get the 230?

Thanks.

try contacting s2kov or iceman90a for hardly used HK5500's ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimpao on Jul 26, 2004 at 05:06 PM


try contacting s2kov or iceman90a for hardly used HK5500's ;D ;D

Ahahahahahaha!!!! Shameless plug! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on Jul 27, 2004 at 11:29 AM
try contacting s2kov or iceman90a for hardly used HK5500's ;D ;D

hehe fund raising na naman  >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Jul 29, 2004 at 08:06 PM
Yun ang totoo, amoy plastik pa nga eh!!!! >:D >:D >:D




try contacting s2kov or iceman90a for hardly used HK5500's ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Jul 29, 2004 at 08:34 PM
may house guests kami ngayon - cousins ng wife ko... pahinga tuloy ang tube amps ko at rumaratsada ang hk ko ;D nakaka 3 dvd na sila mula kaninang hapon...

bukas mula umaga pa lang yata balak na simulan...

ganda nga pala nito! ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jul 29, 2004 at 08:37 PM
HK/MA All the Way!!!!!  ;D

bumagay din sya sa sony surplus cd player ko heheheh

sarap na manood tapos sarap din makinig ng music!!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Jul 29, 2004 at 08:39 PM
buti pa syo nagamit uli.... :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wgx428 on Jul 29, 2004 at 09:56 PM


Bro if you have the budget get the higher or mid models btw what speakers you plan to use??

Stores... Architectural Audio look for Nico / Epoy sila owner very accomodating.. or Spectra look for JIm mabait yan..


Anong model number noong mid level AVRs nila?  For speakers, wala pa definite.  Narinig ko na yung pair ng AVR330 with Acoustic Energy (Evo 1) sa Architectural Audio at okay yun.  Tingnan ko kung ano pa pwede.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jul 29, 2004 at 10:14 PM


Anong model number noong mid level AVRs nila?  For speakers, wala pa definite.  Narinig ko na yung pair ng AVR330 with Acoustic Energy (Evo 1) sa Architectural Audio at okay yun.  Tingnan ko kung ano pa pwede.

Entry level:
130 - Basic 5.1, 45 wpc
230 - 6.1, pre-outs to support 7.1, 50 wpc


Mid level:
330 - 7.1, pre-outs, muti-zone, 55 wpc
430 - 7.1, pre-outs, multizone, high current, A-BUS Ready®; RS-232, 65 wpc


High-end:
630 - 7.1, pre-outs, multizone, HDCD, super high current, A-BUS Ready®; RS-232, 75 wpc
7300 - 7.1, pre-outs, multizone, HDCD, super high current, A-BUS Ready®; RS-232, video receiver (DCDi video chip), 110 wpc
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wgx428 on Jul 29, 2004 at 10:36 PM
Salamat.  Looking for good deals on the AVR ngayon.  It seems mas okay yung sa Spectra kasi parang me promo sila ngayon (or tapos na).
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Jul 29, 2004 at 10:42 PM
Salamat.  Looking for good deals on the AVR ngayon.  It seems mas okay yung sa Spectra kasi parang me promo sila ngayon (or tapos na).

Tapos na as of yesterday, of course you can always try to ask for discounts
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bayonic on Jul 30, 2004 at 06:38 AM


Entry level:
130 - Basic 5.1, 45 wpc
230 - 6.1, pre-outs to support 7.1, 50 wpc


Mid level:
330 - 7.1, pre-outs, muti-zone, 55 wpc
430 - 7.1, pre-outs, multizone, high current, A-BUS Ready®; RS-232, 65 wpc


High-end:
630 - 7.1, pre-outs, multizone, HDCD, super high current, A-BUS Ready®; RS-232, 75 wpc
7300 - 7.1, pre-outs, multizone, HDCD, super high current, A-BUS Ready®; RS-232, video receiver (DCDi video chip), 110 wpc

Hi Philander,
Is the 7300 already available in Manila ? If so , what shop has it ?

thanks,
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Aug 01, 2004 at 07:07 AM


Hi Philander,
Is the 7300 already available in Manila ? If so , what shop has it ?

thanks,


try mo kontakin si JIM sa SPECTRA park square ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: positive_noise on Aug 04, 2004 at 02:25 PM
in the short hK model description sana meron ding price just to have an idea. ;D


enjoy!
positive-noise. ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Aug 04, 2004 at 02:28 PM
With corresponding SRP in U$:
HK 130, 2300, 330, 430, 630 & 7300 Comparison (http://www.harmankardon.com/compare4.aspx?mainprod=AVR+7300&selectprod=AVR+130&selectprod=AVR+230&selectprod=AVR+330&selectprod=AVR+430&selectprod=AVR+630&Submit=Compare)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nadare on Aug 04, 2004 at 04:58 PM
guys, im building an ht setup (n00b ika nga  ;D)  and HK seems to be reputable, for an entry lvl setup, ayon sa thread nato, avr330 seems to be a good choice. well,  yun pa lang ang alam ko sa HT ang receiver. hehehe.. what other things i should know?? bout the speakers?? how many?? subs??  im just an HT kid yet ::)

i want a heart-pumping home video viewing  O0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Aug 04, 2004 at 05:56 PM
Hi nadare,

When you choose the AVR you must have in mind your intended set up if either 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1.  I think the 330 is 6.1. Hence is capable of driving "6" speakers and ".1" one sub woofer which is enough. A 5.1 set up is already okay and if you are happy with it then this is good as this is already a complete set-up.  In fact some people only use 2.1 and they are equally happy.

But you may also consider the future where new material may develop using the 6.1 and 7.1 formats so to be safe for the future you may consider going higher than 5.1.  But then again if you are satisfied with this then there is no problem it is just that you may avoid the added expense for a new receiver if you feel the need for the upgrade.

As for the speakers, it is best that you invest in good speakers as these will last you for quite some time as you may be changing receivers due to new formats and still keep your speakers unless you have the itch to change them for your personal preference.  For kinds of speakers there are a lot of things to consider such as your room size as well as your listening preference and budget.  It is very much recommended here to audition, audition, audition and get the speakers that sound good for you.  Its part of the fun in this hobby.

Just my humble contribution.

Happy hunting!   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 04, 2004 at 06:02 PM

i want a heart-pumping home video viewing  O0

May we know what your "heart-pumping" HT budget is so we can recommend more suitably? 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Aug 05, 2004 at 12:39 AM
Hi nadare,

When you choose the AVR you must have in mind your intended set up if either 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1.  I think the 330 is 6.1. Hence is capable of driving "6" speakers and ".1" one sub woofer which is enough. A 5.1 set up is already okay and if you are happy with it then this is good as this is already a complete set-up.  In fact some people only use 2.1 and they are equally happy.

But you may also consider the future where new material may develop using the 6.1 and 7.1 formats so to be safe for the future you may consider going higher than 5.1.  But then again if you are satisfied with this then there is no problem it is just that you may avoid the added expense for a new receiver if you feel the need for the upgrade.

As for the speakers, it is best that you invest in good speakers as these will last you for quite some time as you may be changing receivers due to new formats and still keep your speakers unless you have the itch to change them for your personal preference.  For kinds of speakers there are a lot of things to consider such as your room size as well as your listening preference and budget.  It is very much recommended here to audition, audition, audition and get the speakers that sound good for you.  Its part of the fun in this hobby.

Just my humble contribution.

Happy hunting!   ;D

small correction. The 330 is a 7.1
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Aug 05, 2004 at 11:16 AM
Oops thanks for the correction on the 330  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nadare on Aug 06, 2004 at 06:14 PM
budget will be around 120kphp (the lower the better ^_^)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Aug 06, 2004 at 09:21 PM
budget will be around 120kphp (the lower the better ^_^)

better to audition first kung san ka masaya e yong kuhanin mo but also this thread help a lot  ;D ;D ;D happy hunting for me you don't go wrong with this AVR......
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Aug 06, 2004 at 10:45 PM
budget will be around 120kphp (the lower the better ^_^)

HK5500 & Monitor Audio B4 for 45,000

all you need is a center, surrounds and a sub ;D

pm me or sms 0917 5003698

ps - sama na pala natin Rel sub = total of P 73,000

that leaves you 47,000 for a center and surrounds... which should cost only 20k at most ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Aug 06, 2004 at 11:41 PM
guys, im building an ht setup (n00b ika nga  ;D)  and HK seems to be reputable, for an entry lvl setup, ayon sa thread nato, avr330 seems to be a good choice. well,  yun pa lang ang alam ko sa HT ang receiver. hehehe.. what other things i should know?? bout the speakers?? how many?? subs??  im just an HT kid yet ::)

i want a heart-pumping home video viewing  O0

Im using B&W for my HK330. If you check the Assorted Buy and Sell, one of our member (Myki) is selling his set  of B&W speakers for a very good price. Add one more pair to make it 7.1 then get Velodyne CHT10. You will have more than heart pumping home video.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nadare on Aug 06, 2004 at 11:45 PM
oh great, im starting to feel the excitement of auditioning ^_^  O0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Aug 07, 2004 at 01:21 PM
oh great, im starting to feel the excitement of auditioning ^_^  O0
u can audition at spectra parksquare 1 they have a lot of harman kardon there
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Aug 08, 2004 at 03:09 AM


HK5500 & Monitor Audio B4 for 45,000

all you need is a center, surrounds and a sub ;D

pm me or sms 0917 5003698

ps - sama na pala natin Rel sub = total of P 73,000

that leaves you 47,000 for a center and surrounds... which should cost only 20k at most ;)


lagyan mo kc nang discount para convincing ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Aug 08, 2004 at 07:09 PM



lagyan mo kc nang discount para convincing ;D ;D ;D

pag nagpresyo ka kasi ng mura, maqu-question pa quality ng binebenta mo... mas maganda kung makita at madinig muna ng interesado bago mag tawaran ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Aug 11, 2004 at 08:53 AM
Astig talaga ng HK.  Kahit sa Fry's or Compusa, astig tingan sila mga receivers....  at Fry's they were connected to some very nice Polk Audio Floor standers...galing!  Sa Compusa, some Wharfdale Zaldeks naman...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Aug 11, 2004 at 09:02 AM
i 2nd the motion.... :P >:D ^-^ :D




pag nagpresyo ka kasi ng mura, maqu-question pa quality ng binebenta mo... mas maganda kung makita at madinig muna ng interesado bago mag tawaran ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fierari on Aug 19, 2004 at 11:11 AM
im interested in the entry level avr of HK anong model po ba yun at magkano? tnx!!!!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Aug 25, 2004 at 09:39 PM
im interested in the entry level avr of HK anong model po ba yun at magkano? tnx!!!!!

HK 130 bro 19K +
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Aug 26, 2004 at 12:43 AM
im interested in the entry level avr of HK anong model po ba yun at magkano? tnx!!!!!

try to drop in to SPECTRA (look JIM) or ARCHitectural (look Epoy)audio in makati........................ happy hunting
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fierari on Aug 26, 2004 at 09:21 AM
tnx! yung 230 magkano po ba sya ngayon?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Aug 26, 2004 at 10:21 AM
tnx! yung 230 magkano po ba sya ngayon?
below 25T for the 130 according to jim is out of stock
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Aug 26, 2004 at 12:57 PM
HK/MA All the Way!!!!


OOngiiiiii..................... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fierari on Aug 26, 2004 at 01:30 PM

below 25T for the 130 according to jim is out of stock


uy me pag asa na ko kala ko above 30k yung 230  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: random on Aug 26, 2004 at 02:00 PM
mga sir, how about yung 330, magkano na kaya ito ngayon?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Aug 26, 2004 at 09:50 PM

below 25T for the 130 according to jim is out of stock

mabili kc tapos ganda pa performance sulit pa sa budget kaya lagi ubos  ;D ;D ;D ;D kaya tiyak yan pag nagkaroon mataas uli price nyan ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Aug 27, 2004 at 11:40 AM
mga sir, how about yung 330, magkano na kaya ito ngayon?
around 30T maybe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Aug 28, 2004 at 09:33 AM


mabili kc tapos ganda pa performance sulit pa sa budget kaya lagi ubos  ;D ;D ;D ;D kaya tiyak yan pag nagkaroon mataas uli price nyan ;D ;D ;D

the law of supply and demand, tapos mataas pa mga bilihin
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Aug 29, 2004 at 08:32 PM
before I dig the answer in the manual, what does switched and unswitched means at the back of my HK AVR330 (power socket)?  My guess is it has something to do with which socket has power if the unit is on or off, but I'm not really sure....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Aug 30, 2004 at 09:55 AM
before I dig the answer in the manual, what does switched and unswitched means at the back of my HK AVR330 (power socket)?  My guess is it has something to do with which socket has power if the unit is on or off, but I'm not really sure....

been using this power socket on my 3550.. your guess is right.. you can also use both power sockets when your avr is on..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Aug 30, 2004 at 10:35 AM
before I dig the answer in the manual, what does switched and unswitched means at the back of my HK AVR330 (power socket)? My guess is it has something to do with which socket has power if the unit is on or off, but I'm not really sure....

unswitched socket - will have power regardless of status of your AVR, equipmaent plugged in the unswitched socket will have power even if your AVR is off (but not unplugged ;D )

switched - equipment plugged in this socket will only have power when the AVR is turned on

:)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Aug 30, 2004 at 01:46 PM
Thanks sebman, iceman90a..... I guess it makes sense.   What doesn't makes sense is the socket itself... 220V but two round prongs? 

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 30, 2004 at 05:22 PM
I had the same observation.  Maybe because it's made in malaysia which, if not mistaken,  uses 220 volts but with those 2 round prongs as their standard configuration. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wgx428 on Sep 01, 2004 at 06:06 PM
Hi Guys,

I got my HK 230 early August and very happy with it!  The 230 is currently connected to just 2 speakers (for now) until I build-up my system.  Just  some questions on the 230 and the HK AVR in general.

1. When you watch DVD or movies, what is the best setting for sound presentation?  Dolby, DTS Surround, DST Neo 6, Logic 7, Stereo, VMax, etc.  considering there is only 2 speakers available for now.

2. When you just want to play CD or music, what is the best setting?

3. Will it be a problem if you only have 2 speakers connected (front left/right) while the setting (Dolby, DTS Surround, DST Neo 6, Logic 7, Stereo, VMax, etc.) is optimized for more than just the front speakers (multiple channel) play?  Will the rears and other channels be damage if no speaker is connected?

4. I'm still not sure when the AVR or speakers will be damaged?  For example, the 230 is rated 45 watts per channel at 8 ohms? and the speakers I'm using are rated 40 watts 4 ohms.  Is there any danger here and what should I avoid.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fierari on Sep 02, 2004 at 07:13 PM
ser magkano kuha mo sa 230?  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 02, 2004 at 07:25 PM
Hi Guys,

I got my HK 230 early August and very happy with it!  The 230 is currently connected to just 2 speakers (for now) until I build-up my system.  Just  some questions on the 230 and the HK AVR in general.

1. When you watch DVD or movies, what is the best setting for sound presentation?  Dolby, DTS Surround, DST Neo 6, Logic 7, Stereo, VMax, etc.  considering there is only 2 speakers available for now.

2. When you just want to play CD or music, what is the best setting?

3. Will it be a problem if you only have 2 speakers connected (front left/right) while the setting (Dolby, DTS Surround, DST Neo 6, Logic 7, Stereo, VMax, etc.) is optimized for more than just the front speakers (multiple channel) play?  Will the rears and other channels be damage if no speaker is connected?

4. I'm still not sure when the AVR or speakers will be damaged?  For example, the 230 is rated 45 watts per channel at 8 ohms? and the speakers I'm using are rated 40 watts 4 ohms.  Is there any danger here and what should I avoid.

Thanks in advance for your help.

First Congrats with your HK hehehe former HK owner din po..

1, Usually AVR follow the format of the DVD disc if you connected them in digital like if the DVD disc audio is DD then your HK will automatically switch to Dolby and cannot use the DSP.

2. Same as above the HK will follow the DVD disc audio.. but if you connected your DVD player via analog ( RCA ) then you can use the DSP...... using 2 speakers well i try Vmax..

3. CD hmmm connect your DVD or CD player thru analog ( RCA ) for better... not sure if its better kasi if your using DVD then i would rather connect them digital so i'll hear the HK DAC while if you have a separate Cd player then Analog will be better since your using the Cd player DAC naman we know the Cd player sound better than DVD in 2 channels..

4. Regards to AVR and Speaker match impedance and watts.. Rule is DO NOT OVERDRIVE THEM BOTH.. meaning hehehehe basta moderate to loud levels are fine and give enough space for the HK's vent.. hehehe ( btw have a combo AMP 25watts + 200 watts speaker and no problem naman )..

Now depend on your preference on music and level you can just experiment..

Hope this helps.. happy listening.. ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 03, 2004 at 02:04 AM


First Congrats with your HK hehehe former HK owner din po..

1, Usually AVR follow the format of the DVD disc if you connected them in digital like if the DVD disc audio is DD then your HK will automatically switch to Dolby and cannot use the DSP.

2. Same as above the HK will follow the DVD disc audio.. but if you connected your DVD player via analog ( RCA ) then you can use the DSP...... using 2 speakers well i try Vmax..

3. CD hmmm connect your DVD or CD player thru analog ( RCA ) for better... not sure if its better kasi if your using DVD then i would rather connect them digital so i'll hear the HK DAC while if you have a separate Cd player then Analog will be better since your using the Cd player DAC naman we know the Cd player sound better than DVD in 2 channels..

4. Regards to AVR and Speaker match impedance and watts.. Rule is DO NOT OVERDRIVE THEM BOTH.. meaning hehehehe basta moderate to loud levels are fine and give enough space for the HK's vent.. hehehe ( btw have a combo AMP 25watts + 200 watts speaker and no problem naman )..

Now depend on your preference on music and level you can just experiment..

Hope this helps.. happy listening.. ;D ;D

amen........................................sir  kailan marerelease cerficate namin sa speaker placement 101................................ ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 03, 2004 at 02:13 AM


First Congrats with your HK hehehe former HK owner din po..

1, Usually AVR follow the format of the DVD disc if you connected them in digital like if the DVD disc audio is DD then your HK will automatically switch to Dolby and cannot use the DSP.

2. Same as above the HK will follow the DVD disc audio.. but if you connected your DVD player via analog ( RCA ) then you can use the DSP...... using 2 speakers well i try Vmax..

3. CD hmmm connect your DVD or CD player thru analog ( RCA ) for better... not sure if its better kasi if your using DVD then i would rather connect them digital so i'll hear the HK DAC while if you have a separate Cd player then Analog will be better since your using the Cd player DAC naman we know the Cd player sound better than DVD in 2 channels..

4. Regards to AVR and Speaker match impedance and watts.. Rule is DO NOT OVERDRIVE THEM BOTH.. meaning hehehehe basta moderate to loud levels are fine and give enough space for the HK's vent.. hehehe ( btw have a combo AMP 25watts + 200 watts speaker and no problem naman )..

Now depend on your preference on music and level you can just experiment..

Hope this helps.. happy listening.. ;D ;D

amen........................................sir  kailan marerelease cerficate namin sa speaker placement 101................................ ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wgx428 on Sep 03, 2004 at 10:28 AM
Hi Sir Hans,

Salamat sa reply.  Currently, I only have the Philips DVD player which I also use to play CDs.  Wala pa ring co-axial cable, so RCA connection pa lang.  Will try to get a co-axial cable para digital link the sila.  Do you have any suggestion for the co-axial cable or I can just get any?

As for the music I play, mostly jazz and mellow type lang.  So I guess okay lang ito.  The AVR is also well ventilated (I got the sigma AV rack, so me space all around).  Will try listening using Vmax.  Salamat uli.

Hi Fierari,

Got the HK during a sale for around 25K.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Sep 03, 2004 at 05:39 PM
is it ok to operate my HK5500 with no speakers connected to it? planning to use the preouts - going to a power amp, which will then drive the speakers...

ty
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 05, 2004 at 09:24 PM
is it ok to operate my HK5500 with no speakers connected to it? planning to use the preouts - going to a power amp, which will then drive the speakers...

ty

Sir Iceman,

Alam ko pwede gawin preamp lang HK5500.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 05, 2004 at 09:26 PM


amen........................................sir  kailan marerelease cerficate namin sa speaker placement 101................................ ;D

Pre kailan present ka always.. kasi most of the time wala ka paano mo makuha certificate mo.. ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 05, 2004 at 09:29 PM
Hi Sir Hans,

Do you have any suggestion for the co-axial cable or I can just get any?


Sir kahit ano coaxial cable pwede na digital naman yan.. kahit puresonic maganda na. :)

230 for 25k Bargain yan pre..Congrats
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: maglite on Sep 08, 2004 at 01:42 PM
does anybody has an idea how these receiver cost? ???

hk130 --
hk230 --
hk330 --

thanks.. ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 08, 2004 at 03:27 PM
hk 130 19.5K sa spectra makati look JIM
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Sep 08, 2004 at 04:15 PM
does anybody has an idea how these receiver cost? ???

hk130 --
hk230 --
hk330 --

thanks.. ;D
for the 130 its out of stock
230 n 330 i think it's on sale @ spectra
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fierari on Sep 08, 2004 at 07:38 PM
130- 19.5k
230-24.5 nung sale
330-29.5 nung sale

 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 08, 2004 at 10:55 PM
fierari,

Bro kaya pala di ka mapakali... audio na lang hehehehe.. nice meeting you sir..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fierari on Sep 09, 2004 at 02:04 PM
fierari,

Bro kaya pala di ka mapakali... audio na lang hehehehe.. nice meeting you sir..


balak ko nga pag mag 2ch audio ako ang bibilin ko e banana plug at amp para lipat lipat na lang sa receiver pag ht at 2 ch audio  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j3d on Sep 11, 2004 at 09:53 AM
mga sir ok ba ang HK AVR 330 sa movies? balak ko kasing bumili nito, gusto ko malaman kung pang movie or pang music itong receiver na ito. mag uumpisa pa lang kasi akong mag setup ng HT ko kaya kailangan ko ng suggestions nyo, open rin ako sa ibang brand.  tia.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Sep 11, 2004 at 03:22 PM
mga sir ok ba ang HK AVR 330 sa movies? balak ko kasing bumili nito, gusto ko malaman kung pang movie or pang music itong receiver na ito. mag uumpisa pa lang kasi akong mag setup ng HT ko kaya kailangan ko ng suggestions nyo, open rin ako sa ibang brand.  tia.
very ok ang hk avr330
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Sep 11, 2004 at 11:05 PM
Im using the 330.It is very good for movies and music.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j3d on Sep 11, 2004 at 11:47 PM
salamat sir levi and zakkaz. speakers naman, ano bang ma i-suggest nyo na speakers na match para dito, entry to mid level para may idea na ako na i-audition... thanks again
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilsen on Sep 12, 2004 at 09:07 AM
my AVR630 finally arrived! Damn this thing is heavy.. .After re-wiring everything and turning it on for the first time, my ears were filled with bliss.  Thanks for the help guys
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lazeeb0y on Sep 12, 2004 at 09:21 AM
hi guys. i'm planning to buy a new avr by next week. i'm choosing between the HK AVR-130 and Onkyo TX-SR502. just wondering if the HK would also be a good match with my Bose 301's. need your opinions. thanks.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Sep 12, 2004 at 10:46 AM
hi guys. i'm planning to buy a new avr by next week. i'm choosing between the HK AVR-130 and Onkyo TX-SR502. just wondering if the HK would also be a good match with my Bose 301's. need your opinions. thanks.  :)
hk avr130 is still out of stock go for the avr230(6.1) or the avr330(7.1)
hk is much powerful than onkyo
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Sep 12, 2004 at 10:48 AM
salamat sir levi and zakkaz. speakers naman, ano bang ma i-suggest nyo na speakers na match para dito, entry to mid level para may idea na ako na i-audition... thanks again
you can try monitor audio or acoustic energy both products are very good
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lazeeb0y on Sep 12, 2004 at 11:38 AM

hk avr130 is still out of stock go for the avr230(6.1) or the avr330(7.1)
hk is much powerful than onkyo

may stock daw sa architectural audio. went there yesterday. pagod nga ako sa kakaikot sa parksquare eh.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Sep 13, 2004 at 01:02 AM

you can try monitor audio or acoustic energy both products are very good


Agree. You can try also Usher and B&W
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: 5Speed on Sep 13, 2004 at 10:25 AM
Is HK 330 compatible to a Mission speakers?

Meron ba sa inyo na me ganitong combo?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Sep 13, 2004 at 10:51 AM
Is HK 330 compatible to a Mission speakers?

Meron ba sa inyo na me ganitong combo?
its still depends on the model of the mission speakers
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: 5Speed on Sep 13, 2004 at 11:32 AM
I've got M72i for fronts, M70 for surrounds and M7C1 for center. Currently hooked to a Denon 1804...

Will HK 330 be okay for my current speakers?

tnx...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 13, 2004 at 12:21 PM
I've got M72i for fronts, M70 for surrounds and M7C1 for center. Currently hooked to a Denon 1804...

Will HK 330 be okay for my current speakers?

tnx...

yup ok cya ganda rin combination like HARRIBON set up
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 13, 2004 at 12:25 PM
I've got M72i for fronts, M70 for surrounds and M7C1 for center. Currently hooked to a Denon 1804...

Will HK 330 be okay for my current speakers?

tnx...

HK and Mission good match din since warm HK and detail naman Mission.. :) :) :) have that setup before turning to 2 channel (audio)  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: 5Speed on Sep 13, 2004 at 12:40 PM
thanks mga bossing......

good to know.... I  already tested my mission speakers  to my friends AVRs (onkyo, and yamaha..) ganda pa rin, although naging bright sya nang konti dun sa yamaha....

I dont have a friend in here who has a HK....well I might upgrade to this AVR if budget permits...:):)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Sep 15, 2004 at 03:59 AM
im planning to buy the wharfedale diamond 8 series, which is a better AVR for this set of speakers, the Yamaha 440 or the HK 130 for both Audio and video.

i heard that the diamonds needs power to get the quality of the speakers, i know HK130 is good but it is only 55w/ch while the Yammy 440 is 75W/ch??? ??? which is which ???

any inputs...

thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Sep 15, 2004 at 06:54 AM
im planning to buy the wharfedale diamond 8 series, which is a better AVR for this set of speakers, the Yamaha 440 or the HK 130 for both Audio and video.

i heard that the diamonds needs power to get the quality of the speakers, i know HK130 is good but it is only 55w/ch while the Yammy 440 is 75W/ch??? ??? which is which ???

any inputs...

thanks


for me kung more movie ka go 4 yammy but kung equal  lang sa hk 130 ka but audition mo muna and most of all halos magkasing lakas lang yan iba ang power nang HK continious power ito................happy hunting:)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Sep 15, 2004 at 10:04 AM
im planning to buy the wharfedale diamond 8 series, which is a better AVR for this set of speakers, the Yamaha 440 or the HK 130 for both Audio and video.

i heard that the diamonds needs power to get the quality of the speakers, i know HK130 is good but it is only 55w/ch while the Yammy 440 is 75W/ch??? ??? which is which ???

any inputs...

thanks
yamaha is good for movies
harman kardon is good at both but very powerful, you'll be able to notice the watts of it is very low because they're using conservative rating but once you use it, you'll be amaze
i know that the hk130 is still out stock n the models only available are 230 (6.1) 330,430,630 (7.1)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on Sep 15, 2004 at 10:14 AM
im planning to buy the wharfedale diamond 8 series, which is a better AVR for this set of speakers, the Yamaha 440 or the HK 130 for both Audio and video.

i heard that the diamonds needs power to get the quality of the speakers, i know HK130 is good but it is only 55w/ch while the Yammy 440 is 75W/ch??? ??? which is which ???

any inputs...

thanks
why not trying other models of yamaha avr cause the 440 is previous models
the new models of the yamaha are 50 series (350,450,...)
if you're more into movies get yamaha
if both, then go for harman
the stocks of the 130 might arrive before end of the month (if on schedule)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: roger on Sep 15, 2004 at 03:25 PM

you can try monitor audio or acoustic energy both products are very good

Am also new setting up HT, would BW602 S3 be a match too wid HK330?
Thanks in advance

roger
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jcob on Sep 15, 2004 at 03:31 PM

Am also new setting up HT, would BW602 S3 be a match too wid HK330?
Thanks in advance

roger

I would think so. Medyo may dating yang set-up na balak mo sir.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mk on Sep 16, 2004 at 07:23 AM

i know that the hk130 is still out stock n the models only available are 230 (6.1) 330,430,630 (7.1)

Their are 2 remaining stocks of HK130 in Architectural Audio FYI   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr power consumption
Post by: chatstix on Sep 16, 2004 at 07:35 AM
i've read on the spec sheet of both avr230 & avr 330 that when idle, it consumes 118W and 890W maximum (6 and 7 channels driven respectively). Noticed ko lang na sobrang lakas kumain ng kuryente ang HK. Is the 890W constant regardless of the volume level? AVR330 is 7.1.  Papaano ang pag setup nya if u only have a 6.1 speaker setup?

Moreover, we know that price of hk is quite expensive, is it really worth it considering you pay higher to get the AVR and you'll be paying more for your electric bill?

Thanks in advance for any answers you can offer me.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr power consumption
Post by: mk on Sep 16, 2004 at 08:26 AM
i've read on the spec sheet of both avr230 & avr 330 that when idle, it consumes 118W and 890W maximum (6 and 7 channels driven respectively). Noticed ko lang na sobrang lakas kumain ng kuryente ang HK. Is the 890W constant regardless of the volume level? AVR330 is 7.1.  Papaano ang pag setup nya if u only have a 6.1 speaker setup?

Moreover, we know that price of hk is quite expensive, is it really worth it considering you pay higher to get the AVR and you'll be paying more for your electric bill?

Thanks in advance for any answers you can offer me.

For me, power consumption is not an issue simply bec im happy w/ its performance. currently im using HK5500 at 75Watts conservatively for movies & audio.

Is it worth it? Well in my case & a lot of HK owners here can say that this AVR for HT specially Audio, is a killer in its AVR category ha. compare to Y....., O...., D.... etc...

Audition it for your self & discover why  ;D

Just my 2cents ^-^
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on Sep 16, 2004 at 10:34 AM
Good news!!! the new stocks of hk avr 130 has arrived already...
it will arrive in our store on or before monday (if without delay)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Sep 16, 2004 at 10:37 AM
do not worry about the power consumption. the 890watts is not constant but it is the maximum power consumption when all channels are driven at their maximum. power consumption will depend on the volume level and how many channels are working.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: chatstix on Sep 16, 2004 at 11:06 AM
thanks mk and ariel.

so paano ang diskarte ng connection pag ang speaker mo is 6.1 setup sa avr330 which is a 7.1 avr (the problem i'm foreseeing is 2 ang back surround ng connectors niya, sa 6.1 speaker setup isa lang ang back surround)?

regarding the AVR230, anyone care to express their views about this post excerpt i found at audioreview.com:

"Here is the major shortcoming: At volume settings above -15Db, the receiver powers off at the presence of extreme low frequencies. Here is how I found it:

I get the EpisodeII: and place it in the DVD: The first scene -even before the movie starts- is the THX certification animation with the rain effect and then the glass shattering. Great I say, this must sound wonderful at high volume. As my wife and son is out this Sunday, I turn the volume all the up to +1Db (max:+10) and lean back to enjoy. I can hear every single raindrop falling, followed by an amazing thunder that I feel deep in my chest. Great how amazing I think and wait for the rest of the amazing THX show. And then.... my AVR230 shuts off itself. I think to myself: OK some setting problem, I check the speaker settings--> nothing. The fronts are set to "large", that my Definite Technology BP10s are. Surrounds, center, sub, all settings are correct. I try it again and again, and the same thing happens. I lower the volume a little bit, again the same thing. Above volume level of -15Db, this insists. I think may be something unique to the THX animation, after all this is not a THX certified receiver. I put it on to the fabulous arena scene and pump up the volume to -5Db, and here we go again: off goes the receiver.
"

wala bang ganitong experience sa AVR330? sorry for the questions, it's just that i'm choosing between AVR230 & AVR330.

thanks again.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Sep 16, 2004 at 11:12 AM
so how much does these HK's worth, somebody kind enough to post its prices. Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j3d on Sep 16, 2004 at 12:16 PM


Agree. You can try also Usher and B&W


thanks again sir levi and zakkaz, i'll try to audition them all.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on Sep 16, 2004 at 04:17 PM
so how much does these HK's worth, somebody kind enough to post its prices. Thanks
it depends for the avr130 below 19T (5.1), avr230 around 25T, avr330 29+
btw avr 130 is already available
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nesty on Sep 16, 2004 at 04:55 PM
Do have any idea on release date of the new HK models in Manila 235,335,435 ?
And pricings?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fierari on Sep 16, 2004 at 05:59 PM
thanks mk and ariel.

so paano ang diskarte ng connection pag ang speaker mo is 6.1 setup sa avr330 which is a 7.1 avr (the problem i'm foreseeing is 2 ang back surround ng connectors niya, sa 6.1 speaker setup isa lang ang back surround)?

regarding the AVR230, anyone care to express their views about this post excerpt i found at audioreview.com:

"Here is the major shortcoming: At volume settings above -15Db, the receiver powers off at the presence of extreme low frequencies. Here is how I found it:

I get the EpisodeII: and place it in the DVD: The first scene -even before the movie starts- is the THX certification animation with the rain effect and then the glass shattering. Great I say, this must sound wonderful at high volume. As my wife and son is out this Sunday, I turn the volume all the up to +1Db (max:+10) and lean back to enjoy. I can hear every single raindrop falling, followed by an amazing thunder that I feel deep in my chest. Great how amazing I think and wait for the rest of the amazing THX show. And then.... my AVR230 shuts off itself. I think to myself: OK some setting problem, I check the speaker settings--> nothing. The fronts are set to "large", that my Definite Technology BP10s are. Surrounds, center, sub, all settings are correct. I try it again and again, and the same thing happens. I lower the volume a little bit, again the same thing. Above volume level of -15Db, this insists. I think may be something unique to the THX animation, after all this is not a THX certified receiver. I put it on to the fabulous arena scene and pump up the volume to -5Db, and here we go again: off goes the receiver.
"

wala bang ganitong experience sa AVR330? sorry for the questions, it's just that i'm choosing between AVR230 & AVR330.

thanks again.



tsk tsk di kaya lemon ang 230 nya?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr power consumption
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 16, 2004 at 06:00 PM
i've read on the spec sheet of both avr230 & avr 330 that when idle, it consumes 118W and 890W maximum (6 and 7 channels driven respectively). Noticed ko lang na sobrang lakas kumain ng kuryente ang HK. Is the 890W constant regardless of the volume level? AVR330 is 7.1.  Papaano ang pag setup nya if u only have a 6.1 speaker setup?

Moreover, we know that price of hk is quite expensive, is it really worth it considering you pay higher to get the AVR and you'll be paying more for your electric bill?

Thanks in advance for any answers you can offer me.

The price tag often has no relationship to the power consumption figure, but more to its overall VALUE in the market.  The HK is an excellent equipment by any measure that delivers on its promise.  More than most other brands out there, except NAD and ROTEL, in terms of conservative specification rating.

Like the previous poster said, it's not constant, but rises from the idle stand-by with no signal up to the maximum rated continuous power.  So, only if you listen at rated max continuous power can you rightly expect the power consumption to be as indicated.  

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 16, 2004 at 06:05 PM



tsk tsk di kaya lemon ang 230 nya?

Most likely.  An amp will go into protection mode if it senses a short at the speaker terminals or dangerously close to it.  So maybe the speakers aren't a good match ofr that either is a lemon.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jacorb88 on Sep 17, 2004 at 12:41 PM
what's the difference between hk130 and hk3550?

what i know is hk130 is 45wpc while hk3550 is 65wpc. both are 5.1.

anybody care to help me decide on which avr to acquire...thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fierari on Sep 17, 2004 at 01:56 PM
what's the difference between hk130 and hk3550?

what i know is hk130 is 45wpc while hk3550 is 65wpc. both are 5.1.

anybody care to help me decide on which avr to acquire...thanks

lumang model na ang 3550. new line up ang 130 at ang pogi ng itsura ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jacorb88 on Sep 17, 2004 at 02:02 PM
other than mas pogi ang itsura, are there any other advanatage of getting 130? kasi mas mura ang 3550 ng konti and yet parang pareho lang ang specs. i could use the difference in amount to buy quality interconnects and cables. thanks again.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 17, 2004 at 05:01 PM
guys need your help.

planning to buy avr and here are my options:
1. hk avr3550 (5.1, 65w)
2. hk avr130 (5.1, 45w)
3. yamaha rx-v440 (6.1, 75w)
4. denon avr-1604 (6.1, 110w)
5. onkyo tx-sr502 (6.1, 75w)

seems denon has higher wattage than the rest. i read somewhere that hk's wattage rating is quite conservative. how does it fair with denon's 110w, yamaha's 75w and onkyo's 75w?

if hk is indeed conservative in rating wattages, is hk's 65w comparable/better than denon's 110w?


This post by jacorb88 was made in the receiver thread but  I've deliberatly moved my response from the receiver thread to this one, as it's conclusion has a more HK slant.

Before anything else, rather than invite flames out there from those with favourite brands and who may not agree with me entirely, let me just state that reciever or amplifer power by itself is not everything.  For some like me, there are other considerations like THD, IM, noise floors, channel separation, slew rates, video features, digital processing features, remote user-friendliness, construction build, etc. etc.  But I don't mind erring on the side of PLENTY.  And CLEAN power. And certainly CONSERVATIVE power ratings that I can comfortably live with knowing I am getting what is promised on the power specs.  At whatever volume levels.   LISTENING and AUDITIONING are entirely another matter that the hobbyst must undertake to confirm aurally what those cold numbers on the specsheet mean.  And use his ears and his VALUE judgement to make his final decision.  Afterall, this hobby is about personal subjective perceptions that uphold the uniqueness of an individual's values, taste, bias and preferrences.  And my conclusions and observations  below are based purely on those cold specsheets using my own VALUE perceptions, learning and experience.


Harman Kardon

I had some difficulty looking at some of the models you indicated on the net.  The HK3550 is apparently an older model as it is no longer in the HK website.  Though I found a good descriptive narrative and spec at this site:

http://www.peats.ie/cgi-bin/shop/db.cgi?view=1&id=6462&type=6&path=10x10_4

Is this the one:

HK3550, 5.1 receiver
(http://www.peats.ie/img/com_A/AVR3550.jpg)

60W x 5 Into 8 Ohms, 20Hz – 20kHz at <0.07% THD,
With All Channels Driven Simultaneously


As an older unit, this apparently has none of the digital features of more recent receivers, like DD-EX, DTS-NEO, DTS24/96, DPL IIx.  But you can still have DPLII and DTS/DD.  The site is silent on the electrical power consumption.  Gleaning from the fact that it is rated with ALL chanels driven, and if their newer products like the AVR130 is any indication, where the summed output power for all channels (225W) is less than half of its maximum power consumption (540W), I can say with some conviction that this model has a conservative power rating feature that I'd expect from a receiver that values an equal playing field with similarly rated gears in the market.

Denon 1705

I have no such luck with the Denon 1604 and the only receiver I found closest with the same 110w power rating you indicated is the Denon 1705.  Perhaps that is again an older but equivalent model.  The pdf product spec is here

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/pdfs/AVR1705.pdf

This model does support all the new sound formats in 6.1 channels.  Perhaps the 1604 doesn't.  The power rating is:

75W x 6 (8ohms, 20hz - 20khz, 0.08% THD)
Electrical power consumption:  4A at 120VAC  (computed at 480watts)

The spec is totally silent on whether this is 2 or ALL channels driven.  IT would seem to me that this was measured individually, one channel at a time.  And if you consider that no receiver can output more than what it took in, plus the fact that no amp is 100% efficient as it dissipates heat that can consume as much power as what it gives out, its 480 watt power consumption  does not square nicely with the claimed total 450W (6x75watts) of output + a sufficient amount for heat dissipation.   

But if you don't listen at or near such levels, this may not matter much.   Comfortable listening levels in the 60db to 75db regions in a small room will hardly require more than 5-8 watts per channel. 

Just by looking at the specs, I would say that the HK's 60wpc and the Denon's 75wpc claims would yield  about the same sound SPLs.  I personally do not believe in the Denon claims for this model.  The real power with all channels driven could very well be even less than what the HK has.  The Denon, afterall, consumes less electricity, so I can't see how it can deliver more than what the HK with a higher electric consumption, can.   And I wouldn't  factor in efficiency here,  class AB amps have about the same efficiencies across the board.   The HK I believe can drive 4-ohm loads while the Denon has a caution against going below 6 ohms.  So with all things equal, based purely on power specs, this HK model has the edge for me.  But other considerations should be weighed in as well.  And it's entirely up to you to decide based on what features you value the most.  The Denon is 6.1, the HK is only 5.1.  So I can further surmise that even if they both had  the same power consumption, the Denon is spreading it thinly over more channels.  Your VALUE perceptions will decide. 

I did not proceed with the other brands which, based on experience, are similarly power rated as the Denon.  But here is an interesting site that do actual lab measurements on all channels driven, versus the power ratings as claimed by manufacturers.  Most of the models are quite old, except the highlighted ones.  But they should give you some indication on how much REAL power can be had versus CLAIMED power among various makes.  The HK stands out as probably the only brand that CONSISTENTLY deliver a HIGHER REAL power with all channels driven than other  mass commerical brands in that list.  Though there is a smuttering of one or two models in some brands that do exceed manufacturer claims.   Just examine and decide for yourself based on here:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/3401/ratevsac.htm
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nesty on Sep 17, 2004 at 05:37 PM


This post by jacorb88 was made in the receiver thread but  I've deliberatly moved my response from the receiver thread to this one, as it's conclusion has a more HK slant.

Before anything else, rather than invite flames out there from those with favourite brands and who may not agree with me entirely, let me just state that reciever or amplifer power by itself is not everything.  For some like me, there are other considerations like THD, IM, noise floors, channel separation, slew rates, video features, digital processing features, remote user-friendliness, construction build, etc. etc.  But I don't mind erring on the side of PLENTY.  And CLEAN power. And certainly CONSERVATIVE power ratings that I can comfortably live with knowing I am getting what is promised on the power specs.  At whatever volume levels.   LISTENING and AUDITIONING are entirely another matter that the hobbyst must undertake to confirm aurally what those cold numbers on the specsheet mean.  And use his ears and his VALUE judgement to make his final decision.  Afterall, this hobby is about personal subjective perceptions that uphold the uniqueness of an individual's values, taste, bias and preferrences.  And my conclusions and observations  below are based purely on those cold specsheets using my own VALUE perceptions, learning and experience.


Harman Kardon

I had some difficulty looking at some of the models you indicated on the net.  The HK3550 is apparently an older model as it is no longer in the HK website.  Though I found a good descriptive narrative and spec at this site:

http://www.peats.ie/cgi-bin/shop/db.cgi?view=1&id=6462&type=6&path=10x10_4

Is this the one:

HK3550, 5.1 receiver
(http://www.peats.ie/img/com_A/AVR3550.jpg)

60W x 5 Into 8 Ohms, 20Hz – 20kHz at <0.07% THD,
With All Channels Driven Simultaneously


As an older unit, this apparently has none of the digital features of more recent receivers, like DD-EX, DTS-NEO, DTS24/96, DPL IIx.  But you can still have DPLII and DTS/DD.  The site is silent on the electrical power consumption.  Gleaning from the fact that it is rated with ALL chanels driven, and if their newer products like the AVR130 is any indication, where the summed output power for all channels (225W) is less than half of its maximum power consumption (540W), I can say with some conviction that this model has a conservative power rating feature that I'd expect from a receiver that values an equal playing field with similarly rated gears in the market.

Denon 1705

I have no such luck with the Denon 1604 and the only receiver I found closest with the same 110w power rating you indicated is the Denon 1705.  Perhaps that is again an older but equivalent model.  The pdf product spec is here

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/pdfs/AVR1705.pdf

This model does support all the new sound formats in 6.1 channels.  Perhaps the 1604 doesn't.  The power rating is:

75W x 6 (8ohms, 20hz - 20khz, 0.08% THD)
Electrical power consumption:  4A at 120VAC  (computed at 480watts)

The spec is totally silent on whether this is 2 or ALL channels driven.  IT would seem to me that this was measured individually, one channel at a time.  And if you consider that no receiver can output more than what it took in, plus the fact that no amp is 100% efficient as it dissipates heat that can consume as much power as what it gives out, its 480 watt power consumption  does not square nicely with the claimed total 450W (6x75watts) of output + a sufficient amount for heat dissipation.   

But if you don't listen at or near such levels, this may not matter much.   Comfortable listening levels in the 60db to 75db regions in a small room will hardly require more than 5-8 watts per channel. 

Just by looking at the specs, I would say that the HK's 60wpc and the Denon's 75wpc claims would yield  about the same sound SPLs.  I personally do not believe in the Denon claims for this model.  The real power with all channels driven could very well be even less than what the HK has.  The Denon, afterall, consumes less electricity, so I can't see how it can deliver more than what the HK with a higher electric consumption, can.   And I wouldn't  factor in efficiency here,  class AB amps have about the same efficiencies across the board.   The HK I believe can drive 4-ohm loads while the Denon has a caution against going below 6 ohms.  So with all things equal, based purely on power specs, this HK model has the edge for me.  But other considerations should be weighed in as well.  And it's entirely up to you to decide based on what features you value the most.  The Denon is 6.1, the HK is only 5.1.  So I can further surmise that even if they both had  the same power consumption, the Denon is spreading it thinly over more channels.  Your VALUE perceptions will decide. 

I did not proceed with the other brands which, based on experience, are similarly power rated as the Denon.  But here is an interesting site that do actual lab measurements on all channels driven, versus the power ratings as claimed by manufacturers.  Most of the models are quite old, except the highlighted ones.  But they should give you some indication on how much REAL power can be had versus CLAIMED power among various makes.  The HK stands out as probably the only brand that CONSISTENTLY deliver a HIGHER REAL power with all channels driven than other  mass commerical brands in that list.  Though there is a smuttering of one or two models in some brands that do exceed manufacturer claims.   Just examine and decide for yourself based on here:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/3401/ratevsac.htm


Denon 1604 spec
Rated output *THD figures are power amp stage values.
Front ...................................... 75 W + 75 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08 % THD)
110 W + 110 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7 % THD)
Center.................................... 75 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08 % THD)
110 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7 % THD)
Surround ............................... 75 W + 75 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08 % THD)
110 W + 110 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7 % THD)
Surround Back ..................... 75 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08 % THD)
110 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7 % THD)

Thnks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 17, 2004 at 06:11 PM
Thanks for the info. They seem identical with the Denon 1705 specs and I picked the 75watt specs so it can compare with the 8-ohm spec on the HK. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 17, 2004 at 06:19 PM
Failed to answer jacorb88 question directly.  Don't be misled by Denon's 110 watt rating for either the 1604 or 1705.   This is for a 6-ohm load at 1khz.  You can extract a higher power figure with such a measurement condition.  You won't be comparing apples to apples if you used that rating.  Because the HK is rated at 8-ohm load across the entire bandwidth, not just at 1khz.  And with ALL channels driven simultaneously, The Denon spec, by its silence on this aspect, is not.  And for anyone to take that 110 watt seriously, I have to wonder where on earth the receiver gets the power to deliver that much (6X110=660watts) when it only consumes less than 500watts. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jacorb88 on Sep 17, 2004 at 06:27 PM
avphile,

now i got some very insightful information from you and from the rest, this will surely guide me in my hunting. i've printed all the information you gave plus all the specs and reviews i got over the net. i'm heading to architectural ????? in new world to try it out HK, then parksquare afterwards to see the difference between other brands.

thanks again.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 17, 2004 at 06:58 PM
Good luck and happy hunting!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: chatstix on Sep 19, 2004 at 08:10 AM
My room is currently wired for a 6.1 speaker configuration.

I am considering purchasing a receiver which happens to be a 7.1 (HR AVR330)

Will a 7.1 receiver support a 6.1 speaker configuration? How will I make the connection (since a 7.1 receiver has 2 pairs of back surrounds)?

Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jacorb88 on Sep 19, 2004 at 08:48 AM
avphile or anyone out there,

after reading avphile's reviews, i'm inclined to get HK entry level av receiver. my choice is HK130 or HK3550. i know 3550 is an older model but also supports DTS, DD, DPLII with Logic 7 and VMax like 130 does. Specs are almost the same EXCEPT 3550 is rated 60w (65w to one site - www.DigitalHomemag.com) while 130 is 45w. Also, 3550 has E-Z set measuring mic for quick speaker level matching which i think is a must for a novice hobbyist like me.

between the two which do you think is a better buy?

Also, would you happen to know if the Warranty of HK is universal? I'm heading off to US in a couple of days, I'm planning to get it there if the price is better.

One last thing, do you think matching HK3550/HK130 with Wharfedale diamond series (fronts) is a good choice? Do you think wharf will give justice to HK? Or is there a better front speakers out there within the same range as Wharf?

thanks much.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Sep 20, 2004 at 01:24 PM
avphile or anyone out there,

after reading avphile's reviews, i'm inclined to get HK entry level av receiver. my choice is HK130 or HK3550. i know 3550 is an older model but also supports DTS, DD, DPLII with Logic 7 and VMax like 130 does. Specs are almost the same EXCEPT 3550 is rated 60w (65w to one site - www.DigitalHomemag.com) while 130 is 45w. Also, 3550 has E-Z set measuring mic for quick speaker level matching which i think is a must for a novice hobbyist like me.

between the two which do you think is a better buy?

Also, would you happen to know if the Warranty of HK is universal? I'm heading off to US in a couple of days, I'm planning to get it there if the price is better.

One last thing, do you think matching HK3550/HK130 with Wharfedale diamond series (fronts) is a good choice? Do you think wharf will give justice to HK? Or is there a better front speakers out there within the same range as Wharf?

thanks much.

i think they don't honor international warranty here....

there a lot of speakers that may be better than wh but d price will be much higher......
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 20, 2004 at 05:02 PM
James16 has a point, international warranties may not be honored here.  The international warranty of my very first Technics CD player I got in Dubai wasn't honored by the local technics people. 

And wiith all that weight, you could go overboard and incurr excess baggage.  Unless you cargo it.   ;D

I think for the price of those Diamonds, they're fine. The WHarfedale Evo series may have an edge.  Their irregular cross-section theoretically does a better job at reducing internal standing waves that tend to load on the drivers.  But more expensive.  Various speakers from different makes within and around the same price points do sound different from one another,  not necessarily superior or inferior.  Within a certain price range, different makers tend to do different compromises that underpine those sonic colorations or sonic signatures.  These normally have to do with frequency response flatness and extenson, on and off axis dispersion traits that affect imaging, cabinet resonances, diffractive qualities, time and phase alignment, crossover traits, to mention some.   It is when you get to a much higher price point that some of those compromises are lessened, so you get a more neutral uncolored sound.  The higher up the price ladder, the lesser these compromises are.  Up to to point, ofcourse.  After that, the laws of diminishing returns apply, so you could be paying twice or more for very incremental benefits. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jacorb88 on Sep 21, 2004 at 10:04 AM
how about between hk3550 and hk130?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: LETOR on Sep 23, 2004 at 12:51 PM
tanong lang po, san made or manufactured ba ang Harman/Kardon receivers and other products sold in the Philippines? Thanks for any info.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: audi0slave on Sep 23, 2004 at 01:01 PM
ako din magtatanong.... available na ba dito saten yung HK 670 or HK675 na integrated amp ng h/k?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 23, 2004 at 01:18 PM
tanong lang po, san made or manufactured ba ang Harman/Kardon receivers and other products sold in the Philippines? Thanks for any info.

Made in china ata..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Sep 25, 2004 at 05:48 AM


Made in china ata..

tama ka kuya, pero syempre pasado yan sa quality control from HK yan.... kundi masisira pangalan ng produkto nila eh...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: air23swoosh on Sep 28, 2004 at 07:26 PM
ako din magtatanong.... available na ba dito saten yung HK 670 or HK675 na integrated amp ng h/k?

According to HK, meron na dapat dito but checked further with Beyond Innovations and they said that what is available is the HK670 and will carry stock of the HK675 towards the end of the year.

Dami pa rin daw stock nila ng HK 670 and uubusin muna nila yung present inventory or at least to a significant lower level....

Is there anyone here who owns the HK 670?  Kamusta performance?

Quite curious too how the HK 675 will perform....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 29, 2004 at 03:13 PM
how about between hk3550 and hk130?

In terms of looks, I prefer the older 3550.  In terms of power, 20 watts really doesn't matter much, but I'd still go for more more power given the choice.  I terms of features, in terms of DSP soundfields, formats supported, I leave that to you.  Personally, I just want to hear what the director had intended on a DD or DTS mix, whether mono or surround.  I actually find some mono DVDs sound unrealistic at any DSP mode.   So for me DSP modes like theater, club, arena, etc, have no usefulness. DD/DTS and DPL modes are sufficient.  I think the older one only has 5 channels, the new one has 6.  5.1 for me is just fine.  But that's just me.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jacorb88 on Sep 30, 2004 at 09:17 AM
avphile,

you've been a great help. hk130 is also 5.1. Now, this would be my last post to solicit advice on which model to get. Can't wait for my hk3550...=)

thanks so much everyone who helped me out here.

on my way to Speakers threads...=) .....see you!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Sep 30, 2004 at 10:10 AM
avphile,

you've been a great help. hk130 is also 5.1. Now, this would be my last post to solicit advice on which model to get. Can't wait for my hk3550...=)

thanks so much everyone who helped me out here.

on my way to Speakers threads...=) .....see you!

HK Rocks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jeckjeck on Oct 01, 2004 at 06:56 PM
Just thought I'd share with everyone here at PDVD na sale sa Soundroom this weekend until
Sunday.
Some of their AVRs and DVDPs are on sale. Here are some samples from the flyer they gave me:

Denon AVR-1604 from P24,000 down to P17,500
Harman/kardon AVR 130 from P25,000 down to P21,500
Harman/kardon AVR 230 from P31,000 down to P24,990

There were still others on sale but do ko ni tinanong because I gave them a price range of P25k max.

The sale is until Sunday only, Oct. 3 but according to the guy I spoke to there, Joey, if you do not have the full amount, you can just give a small downpayment (kahit nga daw P1,000) to reserve the item and you can just come back and complete the purchase still at the sale price.

Their number is 6357768 look for Joey
 O0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 01, 2004 at 08:21 PM


HK Rocks

tama ka dyan and warm music pa  ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Control on Oct 04, 2004 at 08:54 AM
Tanong lang po.... Ano po bang ang equivalent ng Yamaha 650 sa Harman/Kardon? Advantage/ Disadvantages? Salamat po ng marami...  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Oct 04, 2004 at 10:17 AM
actually mahirap hanapan ng equivalent ang yamaha n harman kardon kc magkaiba ang gawa nila
yamaha is based on japanese standard while harman is european and high current ang design
yamaha 650 is 7.1 135W
harman kardon 430 is 7.1 65W, 630 is 7.1 75W
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on Oct 04, 2004 at 10:21 AM
Tanong lang po.... Ano po bang ang equivalent ng Yamaha 650 sa Harman/Kardon? Advantage/ Disadvantages? Salamat po ng marami...  :)
if you want you can try visiting our exhibit area at edsa mall glorietta so that you'll be able to compare the yamaha and the harman kardon
we're also offering 0% installment for 6 months for BPI credit card
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Control on Oct 04, 2004 at 10:36 AM
actually mahirap hanapan ng equivalent ang yamaha n harman kardon kc magkaiba ang gawa nila
yamaha is based on japanese standard while harman is european and high current ang design
yamaha 650 is 7.1 135W
harman kardon 430 is 7.1 65W, 630 is 7.1 75W

Thanks Sir zakkaz....mainly, I was thinking kasi of their features and price kaya ko po naitanong....Best buy ikanga..  ::)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Oct 07, 2004 at 09:05 AM
guys,

musta ba performance ng hk330?  magkano ba price nito ngayon?

thanks,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 07, 2004 at 09:51 AM
guys,

musta ba performance ng hk330?  magkano ba price nito ngayon?

thanks,
 :)

try to drop in sa spectra park square makati look for jim and he give you big discount ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on Oct 07, 2004 at 10:54 AM
we're selling it below 30000 and we're also offering it 0% deferred payment for 6 months for bpi card holders
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Oct 07, 2004 at 04:37 PM
sir,

magkano po yung hk430? until when po yung offer nyo na 0% interest?  pwede din po ba citibank 0%?

thanks,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on Oct 08, 2004 at 10:54 AM
sir,

magkano po yung hk430? until when po yung offer nyo na 0% interest?  pwede din po ba citibank 0%?

thanks,
 :)
the price is around 46700 and were offering BPI 0% 6 months
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Oct 11, 2004 at 09:20 AM
thanks sir.

 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: taruc on Oct 14, 2004 at 03:05 PM
Sir, tanong lang po hk PA 5800 power amp. 5channel at mag kano naman po.? thnx
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on Oct 15, 2004 at 11:50 AM
Sir, tanong lang po hk PA 5800 power amp. 5channel at mag kano naman po.? thnx
d available dto sa market
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: taruc on Oct 15, 2004 at 02:10 PM

d available dto sa market


thank u sir, spectraav...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 15, 2004 at 02:39 PM

d available dto sa market

I had the urge to reply similarly when I saw the querry yesterday,  but I didn't want to preempt someone like you with better authority on this  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: eaferrer on Oct 17, 2004 at 03:53 PM
Sir,

Yun po bang HK sa Avsurfer ay under warranty din? what do you think of theirs pricing? (specially yung mga speakers nila) di ba sobrang mahal?

Lastly, simula ng mabasa ko itong harman/kardon thread. im beginning to hate my pioneer setup :-X :-X

Mine is :

Pioneer VSX-d912
Pioneer DV-566k
Jamo E610
Jamo Ecen
Jamo Esur
Yamaha YST-SW320

Wanna buy?   :D :D :D



Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Oct 17, 2004 at 10:45 PM
Yamaha YST-SW320

Wanna buy?   :D :D :D

Anong kulay? Magkano?

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: eaferrer on Oct 18, 2004 at 04:07 PM


Anong kulay? Magkano?




Uppps sorry pre! actually yung Pioneer Receiver lng ang gusto kong i upgrade eh! Medyo binandera ko lng HT setup ko ;) I am very much satisfied sa performance ng Jamo/yamaha setup ko specaily with my old Onkyo 501. Medyo mahina lng ang power nung onkyo kaya ko binili yung Pioneer vsx-d912.

Pero problema pa rin, hirap i convince si kumander (takusa ?  ) heheheheh

Sorry ulit pre!

P.S. i bought my yamaha yst-sw320 sa saudi arabia at 1600 SAR (around 23000)
saan ba mas mura? sa Riyadh o sa local distributor?
 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Philander on Oct 18, 2004 at 04:41 PM

P.S. i bought my yamaha yst-sw320 sa saudi arabia at 1600 SAR (around 23000)
saan ba mas mura? sa Riyadh o sa local distributor?
 


Here is about 17 to 18.5K
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Qman on Oct 18, 2004 at 05:18 PM



Uppps sorry pre! actually yung Pioneer Receiver lng ang gusto kong i upgrade eh! Medyo binandera ko lng HT setup ko ;) I am very much satisfied sa performance ng Jamo/yamaha setup ko specaily with my old Onkyo 501. Medyo mahina lng ang power nung onkyo kaya ko binili yung Pioneer vsx-d912.

Pero problema pa rin, hirap i convince si kumander (takusa ?  ) heheheheh

Sorry ulit pre!

P.S. i bought my yamaha yst-sw320 sa saudi arabia at 1600 SAR (around 23000)
saan ba mas mura? sa Riyadh o sa local distributor?
 


Im also working sa middle east and sa pagkukumpara ko mas mura na ngayon ang mga Electronic appliances sa PI kesa dito.  Dahil na rin sa pagbaba ng peso
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: eaferrer on Oct 18, 2004 at 06:48 PM


Im also working sa middle east and sa pagkukumpara ko mas mura na ngayon ang mga Electronic appliances sa PI kesa dito.  Dahil na rin sa pagbaba ng peso

ummmm?   ^-^ ^-^ ^-^

mukhang pagdating sa HT eh mas mataas ang Peso power ah?


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j3d on Nov 01, 2004 at 10:58 AM
Tanong ko lang, kung meron na ditong nakapag upgrade ng firmware sa HK nila to have Dolby Pro Logic IIx? thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 01, 2004 at 11:10 AM
i think meron lang ito sa mga bagong model nang HK at di po naman na aupgrade ang firmware nang AVR not like sa DVD
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j3d on Nov 01, 2004 at 11:20 AM
thanks... kasi nagtataka ako dun sa nabasa kong isang magazine na may lalabas raw na firmware upgrade sa summer kaso kung next year pa yun ndi ba masayado ng matagal yun?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 01, 2004 at 01:37 PM
thanks... kasi nagtataka ako dun sa nabasa kong isang magazine na may lalabas raw na firmware upgrade sa summer kaso kung next year pa yun ndi ba masayado ng matagal yun?
yes nakausap ko rin c jim sa spectra at meron nang bagong amp don na may ganitong firmware di ko alam yong model kc masyadong mahal yung avr
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 03, 2004 at 10:51 PM
medyo ot po  :)

ano ba ang bagay ng dvd player for hk330?  hk dvd 22 or pioneer 676? 

thanks,
 :)

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Nov 04, 2004 at 10:28 AM
medyo ot po  :)

ano ba ang bagay ng dvd player for hk330?  hk dvd 22 or pioneer 676? 

thanks,
 :)


it depends on u
sometimes other people want the system to be of the same brand...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 04, 2004 at 10:48 AM
medyo ot po  :)

ano ba ang bagay ng dvd player for hk330?  hk dvd 22 or pioneer 676? 

thanks,
 :)



Get the one that will satisfy your needs at your budget.  If you want great video, the HK22 is known to deliver.  If you want multi-ch SACD and DVD-A playback, the 676 will deliver. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 04, 2004 at 12:18 PM
sir,

thank you very much for the suggestions.  my preference would be great in video and in stereo music.  i'm not yet into multi channel kasi mahal pa yung SACD and DVD-A  ;D  ;D  ;D

i guess this means that dvd 22 is best paired to my hk330  :)

many thanks,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bassmgr on Nov 05, 2004 at 11:36 AM
Bros!

Owner of H/K receiver also. new member but long time abang ang basa mode.

My system:

TV : forget it later na laang
Receiver : H/K AVR5500
Amplifier : H/K PA2000
Player : Pioneer DV275-S to replace w/ Marantz DV8400 (malapit na isang bigay ng allowance na laang)haaayy
Fronts : MS908 Declaration/Classic Series
Surrounds : all MS Declaration/Classic Series
Sub : MS907 Declaration/Classic Series & Velodyne CHT12

To follow pics.

Regards,



Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 05, 2004 at 12:45 PM
Welcome to PDVD, bassmgr,  Nice set-up.  Do you use the receiver's front pre-out to connect to your PA2000?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Nov 05, 2004 at 01:02 PM
Bros!

Owner of H/K receiver also. new member but long time abang ang basa mode.

My system:

TV : forget it later na laang
Receiver : H/K AVR5500
Amplifier : H/K PA2000
Player : Pioneer DV275-S to replace w/ Marantz DV8400 (malapit na isang bigay ng allowance na laang)haaayy
Fronts : MS908 Declaration/Classic Series
Surrounds : all MS Declaration/Classic Series
Sub : MS907 Declaration/Classic Series & Velodyne CHT12

To follow pics.

Regards,


Welcome bassmgr and welcome also to H/K AVR Fans Club  ;D

Nice set-up by the way.

 8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: PLiSKiN on Nov 06, 2004 at 12:24 PM
hi... is there any other code for philips dvd players. ung ng-iisa kcng code gumagana sa akin kaso kailangan naka-on n dapat ung plyer. pg naka-standby nde nya ma-on. kaya kailangang gamitin ko p ung original n remote ng player. my player is dvp640K/69 or equivalent nya e ung dvp642K/69 . tia!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bassmgr on Nov 06, 2004 at 02:42 PM
Welcome to PDVD, bassmgr,  Nice set-up.  Do you use the receiver's front pre-out to connect to your PA2000?

salamat sa inyong mainit na pagwelcome i hope dami ako matutunan sa inyo mga bros.
yes i use preout of HK to connect it to my fronts actually naka bi amp yung fronts ko
and i use my pa2000 to drive the woofer of my fronts. purely audio ako kaya i dont put too much on video. (pro stereo).

kimo thanks man!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j3d on Nov 07, 2004 at 09:40 PM

yes nakausap ko rin c jim sa spectra at meron nang bagong amp don na may ganitong firmware di ko alam yong model kc masyadong mahal yung avr


thanks for the info sir...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Nov 07, 2004 at 11:22 PM
bassmgr,

How's the combination of MS and HK? warm ba on music?

tnx.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 08, 2004 at 09:42 AM
tanong lang po.

match ba ang NAD CD-players C-521BEE sa hk330?  can you list the cd players na maganda ang match sa hk330?

thanks,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Nov 08, 2004 at 10:45 AM
tanong lang po.

match ba ang NAD CD-players C-521BEE sa hk330?  can you list the cd players na maganda ang match sa hk330?

thanks,
 :)
if u want a better sound quality like a dedicated amp for cd try getting the nad integrated amp
if ur going to use it as audio and movies hk is good
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 08, 2004 at 10:54 AM
sir,

actually i already have an hk330.  i'm just looking for a good cd player that has a good match sa hk330.  ok kaya na match ang NAD for hk330? 

thanks,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bassmgr on Nov 08, 2004 at 11:28 AM
bassmgr,

How's the combination of MS and HK? warm ba on music?

tnx.

ok naman and im satisfied with the performance yun nga lang it takes several months bago ako naconvince. the only regret is the subwoofer MS907 para kasing mawawasak sa presentation ng DTS in Hell Freezes Over ng The Eagles.
sa music superb especially sa conventional Audio CD material. actually in using my Velodyne CHT12 for DVD concerts only. suggest ko lang if you plan to have tower speakers with passive woofer like MS908, choose a receiver with minimum rating of 100W per channel with flexible bass management kasi MS908 is a power hunger speaker and full range of frequency responce. thats the reason why i posses HK PA2000. Im having a decease na nga to get AVR7300 buti na lang tagmais(poor) ako ngayon. For HK & MS, you dont even need a subwoofer for music application (of course using stereo materials only). in my system, kapag soundtrip ako with my rock music i dont use sub except for my metallica with michael kamen pangit ng recording low quality.

regards,
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Nov 08, 2004 at 11:38 AM
question, anu-ano po ba ang mga model ng harman kardon? how much? thanks!  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 08, 2004 at 12:07 PM
sir,

actually i already have an hk330.  i'm just looking for a good cd player that has a good match sa hk330.  ok kaya na match ang NAD for hk330? 

thanks,
 :)

With the excellent reviews I've read about the new NAD CD players, I'm sure they're an excellent match to any fine receiver or amp.  HK included. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 08, 2004 at 02:09 PM
thanks for the info, sir av_phile1.  btw, when you say new NAD CD players does this include NAD C-521BEE?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Nov 08, 2004 at 03:47 PM
question, anu-ano po ba ang mga model ng harman kardon? how much? thanks!  ;D
if u want try to visit spectra @ parksquare 1 they have a lot of harman kardon models there
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Nov 08, 2004 at 03:48 PM
thanks for the info, sir av_phile1.  btw, when you say new NAD CD players does this include NAD C-521BEE?

its included and the 521bee is 5 star rating
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 08, 2004 at 04:08 PM
thanks for the info, sir av_phile1.  btw, when you say new NAD CD players does this include NAD C-521BEE?


The C521BEE is still being offered today and has not been supplanted by any new non-HDCD model as far as I know.   Do check out the NAD CD Player thread in the Sources Section.  Redkoji posted an article there about the NAD players, this C521BEE in particular, as gaining rave reviews from What Hi-Fi for the last 6 years.   It's still a great buy.  I am in fact agonizing whether to get this or its HDCD brother the C542, for around 6T more.  The Rotel 1072 is my target, but it seems I never could bring my finances to cover it at nearly twice the price.   :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 08, 2004 at 04:45 PM
sir, it's good to know that these NAD CD players are good match to HK.  i'll check the NAD CD player thread to gather more info on this product.  the C542 model really is better than the C521BEE considering it already support HDCD format.  i guess i'll have to wait for the prices to lower a little bit so that, i can buy this C542.  hopefully, there will a pre christmas sale on these model so that my budget will fit  ;D.

thanks,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ZEPHYR on Nov 08, 2004 at 08:20 PM
sir, it's good to know that these NAD CD players are good match to HK.  i'll check the NAD CD player thread to gather more info on this product.  the C542 model really is better than the C521BEE considering it already support HDCD format.  i guess i'll have to wait for the prices to lower a little bit so that, i can buy this C542.  hopefully, there will a pre christmas sale on these model so that my budget will fit  ;D.

thanks,
 :)

Hi Bro. I happen to have before a HK3550/NAD 521Bee set-up. What can I say is that it was a great combination. NAD cdp sounds tubey ..... mataba na tumunog, sort of having like a near tube set-up, beside that it's warm sounding and not ear fatiguing to listen at.

Now 521bee is paired with a Rotel (5 ch) power amp and what can I say ---- it still good to listen to. I have the pleasure of listening to a NAD 542 cdp and it surpassed the 521Bee only in the high frequency but in the mid and bass department the 521Bee would not dissapoint you. :D

Zephyr O0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Nov 08, 2004 at 11:18 PM
Bassmgr,

Thanks bro.

Tama pala naririnig ko. malakas nga sumipa ang HK sa Sub kaya
you really need a big sub for it.

Tama ka din sa 908. Mahirap nga i-drive iyan. Kailangan high-powered amp
ang gamit mo. May passive sub ba naman eh.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bassmgr on Nov 09, 2004 at 11:31 AM
Bassmgr,

Thanks bro.

Tama pala naririnig ko. malakas nga sumipa ang HK sa Sub kaya
you really need a big sub for it.

Tama ka din sa 908. Mahirap nga i-drive iyan. Kailangan high-powered amp
ang gamit mo. May passive sub ba naman eh.

Bro thats my honest experience with my system.

Tanong lang to all HK owners:
What makes you decide to own a HK receiver in technical, aesthetic, and features point of view? Im just curious what others decision point.

thanks

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 09, 2004 at 02:21 PM
HK are conservative in giving their ratings.  HK can give you more power than what's written on their specs.  Their receiver with power rating of 55w can perform better compared to a 120w receiver of other brands.   

You will also consider reading the reviews on this receiver.  Through this you will learn a lot pros and cons of this receiver.  Most important is to audition this receiver so that you will know first hand how this baby performs.

As other says, "what's good to me may not be good to you and what's good to you may not be good to me".   ;D

 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Nov 09, 2004 at 04:03 PM

Tanong lang to all HK owners:
What makes you decide to own a HK receiver in technical, aesthetic, and features point of view? Im just curious what others decision point.

I like my AVR to be good in Audio and HT that's why I decided to get HK coz it performs well in both music and HT.

Just my 2 singko  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 09, 2004 at 04:53 PM
HK are conservative in giving their ratings.  HK can give you more power than what's written on their specs.  Their receiver with power rating of 55w can perform better compared to a 120w receiver of other brands.   



Just a clarification.  HK ratings on power per channel are done conservatively like many reputable separate amplifiers out there.  They are what many consider as the REAL power rating on a continuous RMS basis with ALL channels driven across FULL bandwidth on an 8-ohm load.  I would say that the HK power rating is the CORRECT way to power rate an amp.  Same with NAD.  They won't give a higher power in actual operation than what is indicated in their specs.  It is just that the other receivers that are not as conservatively rated will give you a LOWER power in actual operation than what is indicated in their trumped-up power specification.   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: narzimus on Nov 12, 2004 at 04:23 PM
San may pinakamurang AVR 230?
tnx.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 12, 2004 at 06:37 PM


Bro thats my honest experience with my system.

Tanong lang to all HK owners:
What makes you decide to own a HK receiver in technical, aesthetic, and features point of view? Im just curious what others decision point.

thanks



Bro Hk features are not as flashy compare to others but techincally it have hold its own and its conservative spec delivered the power and muscle when needed tsaka sound wise IMHO da best sya balance performer unlike other brands which are good in audio but lack the punch for HT or vice versa.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 12, 2004 at 06:38 PM
San may pinakamurang AVR 230?
tnx.

try to contact Spectra or Arch Audio..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 12, 2004 at 06:39 PM
San may pinakamurang AVR 230?
tnx.

bro, try architectural audio at greenbelt 1.  i'm sure they can give you a very good price there.   :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 12, 2004 at 06:47 PM


ok naman and im satisfied with the performance yun nga lang it takes several months bago ako naconvince. the only regret is the subwoofer MS907 para kasing mawawasak sa presentation ng DTS in Hell Freezes Over ng The Eagles.
sa music superb especially sa conventional Audio CD material. actually in using my Velodyne CHT12 for DVD concerts only. suggest ko lang if you plan to have tower speakers with passive woofer like MS908, choose a receiver with minimum rating of 100W per channel with flexible bass management kasi MS908 is a power hunger speaker and full range of frequency responce. thats the reason why i posses HK PA2000. Im having a decease na nga to get AVR7300 buti na lang tagmais(poor) ako ngayon. For HK & MS, you dont even need a subwoofer for music application (of course using stereo materials only). in my system, kapag soundtrip ako with my rock music i dont use sub except for my metallica with michael kamen pangit ng recording low quality.

regards,

Bro agree hard to drive MS908 when its new but it opens up after break in a good friend owned one ( Akyatbundok ) initially nahirapan din sya pero now even a 10watter tube amp can drive this speaker with finese.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Nov 13, 2004 at 12:11 PM


bro, try architectural audio at greenbelt 1.  i'm sure they can give you a very good price there.   :)
try going to spectra @ parksquare 1
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: narzimus on Nov 14, 2004 at 07:30 AM
any contack # for spectra? k=magkano kaya ang 230?
tnx mga bro...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 14, 2004 at 09:17 AM
Bassmgr,

Thanks bro.

Tama pala naririnig ko. malakas nga sumipa ang HK sa Sub kaya
you really need a big sub for it.

Tama ka din sa 908. Mahirap nga i-drive iyan. Kailangan high-powered amp
ang gamit mo. May passive sub ba naman eh.




question po guys, nde ba kaya ng ms907 yung hk???? wat sub would u recommend na babagay sa 3550 ko???? HK/MA All the Way!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 16, 2004 at 10:05 AM
any contack # for spectra? k=magkano kaya ang 230?
tnx mga bro...

There's a thread on the contact addresses and phones of varous AV stores in the GENERAL section of this forum. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Nov 16, 2004 at 10:33 AM
any contack # for spectra? k=magkano kaya ang 230?
tnx mga bro...
8185493
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bassmgr on Nov 16, 2004 at 11:20 AM


Bro Hk features are not as flashy compare to others but techincally it have hold its own and its conservative spec delivered the power and muscle when needed tsaka sound wise IMHO da best sya balance performer unlike other brands which are good in audio but lack the punch for HT or vice versa.



Thanks for the inputs bros, we have the same evaluation pala regarding HK. I agree with the conservative specs that HK commitment to their consumers. Power rating is really far from other brands in fact before I acquired my system I compared it with other big names in HT equipment the 75W of my AVR5500 is far from what others 120W claimed power rating. If you want to prove, try auditioning at spectra. In my case, Nino proved it to me nag set siya 3 receivers the other two was rated above 100WPC. In quality of sounds, they have the same considering that they belong to the same class and price level. HK and AVR-A both good in movie but in music both AVR A & B was far from HK and the power punch was noticeable especially at high volume level. Please note that the 3 AVRs were connected to the same speaker using the same cables/wire and the same setting. For me, what makes me decide to get HK is because they pioneered the high current amplification design and the fact that bass management is standard for their receiver even in the entry level (at least you have the options).
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Nov 16, 2004 at 11:31 AM
wala po ba sa inyo na willing mag pa-ampon ng HK for a reasonable price?  :-\
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: narzimus on Nov 16, 2004 at 01:53 PM
Rxv 650 or HK 230?
Pls help? ANONG BANG BIBILIHIN KO?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: random on Nov 16, 2004 at 03:26 PM
Rxv 650 or HK 230?
Pls help? ANONG BANG BIBILIHIN KO?

for me HK230!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 16, 2004 at 06:08 PM


Thanks for the inputs bros, we have the same evaluation pala regarding HK. I agree with the conservative specs that HK commitment to their consumers. Power rating is really far from other brands in fact before I acquired my system I compared it with other big names in HT equipment the 75W of my AVR5500 is far from what others 120W claimed power rating. If you want to prove, try auditioning at spectra. In my case, Nino proved it to me nag set siya 3 receivers the other two was rated above 100WPC. In quality of sounds, they have the same considering that they belong to the same class and price level. HK and AVR-A both good in movie but in music both AVR A & B was far from HK and the power punch was noticeable especially at high volume level. Please note that the 3 AVRs were connected to the same speaker using the same cables/wire and the same setting. For me, what makes me decide to get HK is because they pioneered the high current amplification design and the fact that bass management is standard for their receiver even in the entry level (at least you have the options).


Agree bro former HK5500 and 2550 owner po.. ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 16, 2004 at 09:46 PM
HK/?? All the Way!!! soon....  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 17, 2004 at 10:29 AM
Rxv 650 or HK 230?
Pls help? ANONG BANG BIBILIHIN KO?

for me HK230  :)

you may also consider HK330... for a price difference of around 5k you got to enjoy the multizone capability and the 55w x 7 power rating  :)

bili na  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Nov 17, 2004 at 10:59 AM
HK 230 bro, powerful sa movie and warm sa audio, sa yamaha maganda sa movie but harsh sa audio.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 18, 2004 at 11:47 AM
Between your choices, I'd go HK.   Am no reciever user anymore, but if I have to again, my choice would either be a NAD or an HK. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 19, 2004 at 11:48 PM
HK/?? All the Way!!! soon....  ;D


HK/UA ALL THE WAY!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: YrNeH on Nov 20, 2004 at 01:08 PM
magkano ba ang hk avr630 (approx in pesos)? arigato :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 22, 2004 at 09:38 AM



HK/UA ALL THE WAY!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

congrats on your new UA james16.  maganda din pala match ng hk sa ua.  i'm sure marami ang susunod sa combo mo  ;D  ;D  ;D

cheers,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Nov 22, 2004 at 11:37 AM
magkano ba ang hk avr630 (approx in pesos)? arigato :)
try going to spectra @ parksquare 1 they carry harman amp
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Nov 22, 2004 at 01:30 PM
WAAAHHHH  :'( :'( :'( MY HK 130 IS DEAD.....

Last sunday i-test ko sana yung Troy LE that i won nung EB but my HK 130 is not functioning when i turned it on yung main power switch lang but ayaw ma open naka standby lang.

To all HK users na experience nyo na ito before? Or I better contact the dealer and have it repaired?

Thanks.  :'(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 22, 2004 at 01:35 PM
may ilaw ba standby switch? bka nde mo napindot yung standby switch.



WAAAHHHH  :'( :'( :'( MY HK 130 IS DEAD.....

Last sunday i-test ko sana yung Troy LE that i won nung EB but my HK 130 is not functioning when i turned it on yung main power switch lang but ayaw ma open naka standby lang.

To all HK users na experience nyo na ito before? Or I better contact the dealer and have it repaired?

Thanks.  :'(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Nov 22, 2004 at 01:56 PM
may ilaw ba standby switch? bka nde mo napindot yung standby switch.


Yes sir may ilaw po. Yung HK 130 po kasi may dalawang power switch isang main power switch at isa rin po sa power on button. After you push the main power mag standby mode sya muna tapos power on button para ma open yung unit.  The problem is ayaw mag function nung power on button kaya hindi ko magamit.

Salamat sir.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Nov 22, 2004 at 02:06 PM
bka nde na kumakagat contact ng standby switch, better send it to distributor for repair, may warranty pa nman yata eh.





Yes sir may ilaw po. Yung HK 130 po kasi may dalawang power switch isang main power switch at isa rin po sa power on button. After you push the main power mag standby mode sya muna tapos power on button para ma open yung unit.  The problem is ayaw mag function nung power on button kaya hindi ko magamit.

Salamat sir.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Nov 22, 2004 at 02:20 PM
Yup under warranty pa naman sya. Thanks sir s2kov saw you nga at the EB.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 22, 2004 at 02:41 PM


Yes sir may ilaw po. Yung HK 130 po kasi may dalawang power switch isang main power switch at isa rin po sa power on button. After you push the main power mag standby mode sya muna tapos power on button para ma open yung unit.  The problem is ayaw mag function nung power on button kaya hindi ko magamit.

Salamat sir.

What did you do with the unit before this thing happened?  Was it still working before the EB? 

Try a little troubleshooting. 

Baka na stuck-up lang yung output relay contacts.  Do you normally hear a clicking sound when you turn the power on from stand-by?  Try unplugging from the main power outlet, then re-plug after a few minutes.

Check the receiver's speaker terminals and look for short condition.  The protection relay will engage if there's a short detected at these terminals.  (Though some receiver's stand-by indicator light turns to RED  if such condition exist.)  Try removing the speaker wires while OFF.   You may want to take out all the source interconnects to your receiver  as well.  Then turn it ON.    If the receiver still won't turn on even without any speaker load or anything connected to it, then you have a problem. Service Center is next.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Nov 22, 2004 at 03:01 PM
Quote
What did you do with the unit before this thing happened?  Was it still working before the EB? 

After the EB when I got home I watched pa some DVDs. But when I woke up and try to open my AVR ayun ayaw na nag open lang sya for about 1 second yata then shut off agad.

Quote
Baka na stuck-up lang yung output relay contacts.  Do you normally hear a clicking sound when you turn the power on from stand-by?  Try unplugging from the main power outlet, then re-plug after a few minutes.

Hindi lang po few minutes hours pa.

Quote
You may want to take out all the source interconnects to your receiver  as well.  Then turn it ON.    If the receiver still won't turn on even without any speaker load or anything connected to it, then you have a problem. Service Center is next.

Disconnected na po lahat ng connections sa likod pero ganun parin ayaw mag-on.

Dalin ko na lang sa dealer and have my avr repaired under warranty pa naman.

Thanks sir av_phile1. Hinahanap kita sa EB pero hindi kita makita kasi of all the people yata dito sa PDVD ikaw ang very helpful sa aming mga newbie.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 22, 2004 at 03:31 PM
Well, then I hope it won't take that long to have it repaired.  Good luck.

Thanks, KimosabE.  Always a pleasure to be of assistance to anyone in this hobby.  I was often outside the crocodile grill or the bar as it was really packed full.  Anyway,  I'm sure there'll be other EBs or events where we can meet.  More power to you. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 22, 2004 at 06:36 PM
HK/UA All The Way!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 22, 2004 at 08:57 PM
HK/UA All The Way!!!  ;D ;D ;D

mag iba ka naman luma na yan "all the way" pang monitor lang yan  >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 22, 2004 at 09:16 PM


mag iba ka naman luma na yan "all the way" pang monitor lang yan  >:D >:D >:D >:D

hehehe, mag-iisip nga ako ng bago...  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Nov 22, 2004 at 10:03 PM


hehehe, mag-iisip nga ako ng bago...  ;D

yan wala kang originality hehehehhehehe >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 22, 2004 at 11:37 PM


yan wala kang originality hehehehhehehe >:D >:D >:D

Oongi... kelangan mapalitan na nasimulan ko...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 23, 2004 at 09:36 AM
baka ibig sabihin nyan nasa HK/MA all the way parin ang puso mo... hehehe.
 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: odyopayl on Nov 23, 2004 at 05:08 PM
Mga Sir magkano na kaya HK-330 ngayon?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Compaq on Nov 23, 2004 at 05:14 PM
Hi odyopayl

You may want to give Sonny (Home Theater) a call. I'm planning to get HK-230 from him, naghihintay lang ng tyempo  ;D

Cheers!!!
Compaq
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jeckjeck on Nov 23, 2004 at 07:08 PM
Mga Sir magkano na kaya HK-330 ngayon?

Hey odoypayl... mukhang nakabudget na 13th month natin ha  ;D
I'm planning to "upgrade" to HK-130 also para H/k na rin AVR to match the DVD22  ;D
Any idea how much HK130 is? Nasa 17K nga ba? 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Nov 23, 2004 at 10:32 PM


Hey odoypayl... mukhang nakabudget na 13th month natin ha  ;D
I'm planning to "upgrade" to HK-130 also para H/k na rin AVR to match the DVD22  ;D
Any idea how much HK130 is? Nasa 17K nga ba? 


dre katatawag ko lang kanina sa spectra 19.9k daw ang 130 nila
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jeckjeck on Nov 24, 2004 at 12:47 AM
Uy! Thanks cire2004! From experience masmura siguro ng kaunti sa Archi Audio... At least may idea na ako kung magkano... Thanks!  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Nov 24, 2004 at 10:48 AM
nakapromo ang hk 230 n 330 sa spectra @ parksquare 1 @ cash price basis only
i think the 230 is 24990
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Nov 24, 2004 at 11:34 AM
Uy! Thanks cire2004! From experience masmura siguro ng kaunti sa Archi Audio... At least may idea na ako kung magkano... Thanks!  ;D

no problem bro..kita pala kita sa EB..nakatayo ka malapit sa may buwaya..hehehhehe  ;D thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 25, 2004 at 07:53 AM
Uy! Thanks cire2004! From experience masmura siguro ng kaunti sa Archi Audio... At least may idea na ako kung magkano... Thanks!  ;D

i second to that sir  :).  try visit Arch Audio mas affordable price nila doon.

enjoy.
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Nov 25, 2004 at 08:39 AM
may number ba kayo sa Arch Audio?  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Nov 25, 2004 at 08:57 AM
may number ba kayo sa Arch Audio?  ;)

Phone Number : 816-67-23
Telefax : 811-67-15

BTW, price ng HK 130 nila is P18.9K.

 ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Nov 25, 2004 at 09:33 AM


Phone Number : 816-67-23
Telefax : 811-67-15

BTW, price ng HK 130 nila is P18.9K.

 ;D

wow  :o mura ng 1k sa spectra  :o
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: chatstix on Nov 25, 2004 at 09:59 AM
i am thinking of selling my 2-month old hk avr230 for P24K. in very good condition, face plate sticker film was not removed, looks as good as brand new and still under warranty. well taken care of. any takers?  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: garee on Nov 25, 2004 at 10:21 AM
can payment be done in 9 or 12 months?  ::)

i'll be your takers  >:D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 25, 2004 at 10:32 AM
bili bili na  >:D 

btw, bat mo ibebenta hk230 mo sir?

 :)

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 25, 2004 at 02:06 PM
can payment be done in 9 or 12 months?  ::)

i'll be your takers  >:D ;D

With interest.  Issue post dated checks, baka puede.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: chatstix on Nov 25, 2004 at 03:03 PM
bili bili na  >:D 

btw, bat mo ibebenta hk230 mo sir?

 :)

mcbry: the reason is i'll be leaving out of the country for a year (work-related). so i need to sell this baby.

garee: sorry di puwede installment  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 25, 2004 at 04:52 PM
I suggest you post in the buy and sell section.  Many browse in that area and a lot would be interested.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 25, 2004 at 05:15 PM


mcbry: the reason is i'll be leaving out of the country for a year (work-related). so i need to sell this baby.

garee: sorry di puwede installment  ;D

the best way sir is to post that on the buy and sell section.  im sure many will be interested on your baby.  hk performs really great in ht as well as in music. 

good luck.

 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Nov 25, 2004 at 07:41 PM


the best way sir is to post that on the buy and sell section.  im sure many will be interested on your baby.  hk performs really great in ht as well as in music. 

good luck.

 :)

I totally agree!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: chatstix on Nov 25, 2004 at 08:50 PM
sorry for the "mispost". when i posted my message here, i have not yet decided to sell it... like i started my sentence of my post as "I am thinking of selling..."

anyways, i already posted it there in the buy n sell section. ur prodding finally made me decide to sell it  :)

thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: garee on Nov 26, 2004 at 08:22 AM


mcbry: the reason is i'll be leaving out of the country for a year (work-related). so i need to sell this baby.

garee: sorry di puwede installment  ;D

ok, no problemo....just in case you change your mind, i'll be just right here.  O0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: obey on Nov 26, 2004 at 04:27 PM
Bakit nakalagay sa website ng harmankardon ang entry level receiver nila ay AVR 135 followed by 235 tapos 330 and so on na?  Anong nangyari sa AVR 130 and 230?  Kung pinalitan na sila, di ba dapat meron na silang complete line na ending sa 5?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 27, 2004 at 12:07 PM
Bakit nakalagay sa website ng harmankardon ang entry level receiver nila ay AVR 135 followed by 235 tapos 330 and so on na?  Anong nangyari sa AVR 130 and 230?  Kung pinalitan na sila, di ba dapat meron na silang complete line na ending sa 5?

nakita ko rin ito. un avr 135 ay 6.1 na while 7.1 naman yung 235. i changed the country from the default to phil, and lumabas yung 130 and 230. i guess diff models for diff countries.

sana me 135 din dito...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j3d on Nov 27, 2004 at 11:42 PM
newer models end with no. 5. bagong labas lang ito, kung ndi ako nagkakamali about a month or two...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: narzimus on Nov 28, 2004 at 07:39 PM
Sa mga nagreply sa post ko on what to choose bet. yamaha 650 or HK230
tnx sa inyong lahat.
I bougth yamaha 650.
Tama kayo mas ok sa audio ang HK but im in to HT kaya yamaha
napili ko.
Tnx sa inyong lahat....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: YrNeH on Nov 29, 2004 at 01:24 PM
does some1 have a ny idea how much is the hk630?  salamat ulit


try going to spectra @ parksquare 1 they carry harman amp
bro nasa melbourne ako. titingnan ko lang sana kung mas mura dyan sa manila.  ty
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Nov 30, 2004 at 09:20 AM


nakita ko rin ito. un avr 135 ay 6.1 na while 7.1 naman yung 235. i changed the country from the default to phil, and lumabas yung 130 and 230. i guess diff models for diff countries.

sana me 135 din dito...

yup, bagong model nga yung models ending with # 5.  i heard hindi naman ganun ka major yung difference ng bagong model compared to the models ending with # 0.    siguro in few months time lalabas din ito sa phils.

 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rene dangoy on Dec 09, 2004 at 03:54 PM
Hello to all Hk users!
any suggestions for a good match spearkers for avr130.what shld be the spearker wattage?
THANKS!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Dec 09, 2004 at 05:26 PM
monitor audio speakers (b center, b4, b2) are good match to your avr130...  there are lots of guys here using this combo...  :)  i'm also using ma speaker and hk330  :)

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Dec 09, 2004 at 05:28 PM
btw, you may check the monitor audio speaker section so that, you'll have lots of ideas on this combo

enjoy,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jdg on Dec 12, 2004 at 03:25 PM
any knows the current prices of these models? ???

avr-130
avr-230
avr-330
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Control on Dec 13, 2004 at 08:50 AM
any knows the current prices of these models? ???

avr-130
avr-230
avr-330

Sir, try calling spectra... 8185493 for the latest prices
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: random on Dec 13, 2004 at 09:05 AM
any knows the current prices of these models? ???

avr-130
avr-230
avr-330

AVR130 = ?
AVR230 = 24+++
AVR330 = 29500
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Dec 13, 2004 at 09:32 AM


AVR130 = ?
AVR230 = 24+++
AVR330 = 29500

AVR130 = 19000
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Dec 17, 2004 at 06:08 PM
Wow, prices haven't dipped for almost a year na ah...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: YrNeH on Dec 20, 2004 at 02:17 PM
what about avr630? how much?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nadare on Dec 20, 2004 at 06:27 PM
guys what does "protect" mean? may avr 230 shuts down after it says it.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Dec 21, 2004 at 11:07 AM
guys what does "protect" mean? may avr 230 shuts down after it says it.
double check ur speaker cables cause most of the time the wires touch with each other n it will go to protect
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: berniebau on Dec 22, 2004 at 05:06 AM
bakit ganon? sabi sa HK site yung AVR 230= 6 x 50W 5.1/7.1-Channel A/V Receiver. pero diba 6.1 talga. bakit may 5.1/7.1? tapos dun naman sa AVR 330 7 x 55W 7.1-Channel A/V Receiver.. eto malamang 7.1 na talaga, tama ba?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Dec 22, 2004 at 09:22 AM
sir, i think what you're refering to as the 7.1 (7x50w) channel is the newer model which is the HK235.  the HK230 is the one with the 6.1 (6x50w) channel avr. 

yes, the HK330 is already 7.1 (7x55w) channel.

cheers,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 25, 2004 at 08:15 PM
Merry Christmas to All HK users and not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Dec 26, 2004 at 11:07 AM
guys what does "protect" mean? may avr 230 shuts down after it says it.

Bro check your connection specially your speaker wires now if problem still persist better bring your AVR for check up na.. :)


Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Dec 26, 2004 at 12:37 PM
Need help here!

My avr-130 also shutdown and says "PROTECT" on the display. This only happened if I set the volume to -10 dB when watching a movie and only on the extreme sound of the movie like explosions. I'm using a B4-front/B-center/B2-surround. Is this normal to 130? Furthermore, I don't not have a fan to cool down the 130 when watching/listening at this volume level. Also, I just directly plugging in my 130 to 220 AC outlet. Don't have an AVR (Voltage regulator) at this moment.

 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Dec 27, 2004 at 11:33 PM
Need help here!

My avr-130 also shutdown and says "PROTECT" on the display. This only happened if I set the volume to -10 dB when watching a movie and only on the extreme sound of the movie like explosions. I'm using a B4-front/B-center/B2-surround. Is this normal to 130? Furthermore, I don't not have a fan to cool down the 130 when watching/listening at this volume level. Also, I just directly plugging in my 130 to 220 AC outlet. Don't have an AVR (Voltage regulator) at this moment.

 

make sure na walang nagdididkit na spkr cable and check your connections....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 28, 2004 at 10:57 AM
Need help here!

My avr-130 also shutdown and says "PROTECT" on the display. This only happened if I set the volume to -10 dB when watching a movie and only on the extreme sound of the movie like explosions. I'm using a B4-front/B-center/B2-surround. Is this normal to 130? Furthermore, I don't not have a fan to cool down the 130 when watching/listening at this volume level. Also, I just directly plugging in my 130 to 220 AC outlet. Don't have an AVR (Voltage regulator) at this moment.

 

This normally happens when the speakers used go down to 2-ohms or even less on certain frequencies especially at loud levels where the amp has some difficulty.  Maybe you can try some other speaker brands.  Some speakers are just more difficult to drive than others.  Sensitivity is one area of difficulty.  Wild impedance swings are another.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Dec 29, 2004 at 09:35 AM
Thanks for all the inputs!

I've already found the problem. Fan lang pala kailangan to cooldown the 130..  ;D Just notice this problem when I did a movie marathon from morning to evening on 24th of dec. What causes the 130 to shutdown was the too much heat of the amp. I'm listening kasi at -5dB to -10dB volume level. Then later na nag-startt to shutdown the 130, nung gabi na... Huh! akala ko sira na 130 ko...  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Control on Dec 29, 2004 at 09:16 PM
Thanks for all the inputs!

I've already found the problem. Fan lang pala kailangan to cooldown the 130..  ;D Just notice this problem when I did a movie marathon from morning to evening on 24th of dec. What causes the 130 to shutdown was the too much heat of the amp. I'm listening kasi at -5dB to -10dB volume level. Then later na nag-startt to shutdown the 130, nung gabi na... Huh! akala ko sira na 130 ko...  ;D

Wow..Sir..ang tindi..umaabot ka pala ng -5db  :o.. I guess all avrs tend to heat up when pushed over the -15db volume level..  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Dec 30, 2004 at 11:57 PM
i think all monitor audio speakers are rated 6-ohm so they indeed will make your amp work harder than the usual 8-ohm speaker. also set your bass control to flat when watching movies. my hk once shut down due to a very powerful explosion during a movie. it was so powerful that i felt the air that came out of the bass port 20 feet away. i rechecked my settings and saw that someone had set the bass to almost full. that also gave me quite a scare. lesson? set all controls to flat before watching a movie.

upgrade ka bro sa higher wattage hk, like the hk 330, so you wont have to experience the same problem again :)

-5 db? :o :o hindi ka ba nabibingi sa volume? me, ive never gone past -10db.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jan 01, 2005 at 09:34 AM
If you adjust a +10 to any of your speakers...max main volume mo eh 0 sa HK, right?  I have a HK330 and pairing it with Wharf 8.4's and 50w satellites...ok na rin...and the 50W Sub w/ the bass kick from the 8.4s is enough for HT and music for me...  even at -25
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jan 02, 2005 at 03:50 AM
imy average volume of watching movies is from -18db to -25 db, settings are fronts (L, R) is 0 while SR is +1 and SL is 0, nde pa ako nakakabili ng centre, and no plans of buying a sub...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jan 03, 2005 at 10:05 AM
imy average volume of watching movies is from -18db to -25 db, settings are fronts (L, R) is 0 while SR is +1 and SL is 0, nde pa ako nakakabili ng centre, and no plans of buying a sub...

pre sa laki ba naman ng woofer nyang bookshelf na floorstander mo e... talagang nde mo na kailangan ng sub..  ;D  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Jan 03, 2005 at 07:12 PM
Thanks for all the inputs!

I've already found the problem. Fan lang pala kailangan to cooldown the 130..  ;D Just notice this problem when I did a movie marathon from morning to evening on 24th of dec. What causes the 130 to shutdown was the too much heat of the amp. I'm listening kasi at -5dB to -10dB volume level. Then later na nag-startt to shutdown the 130, nung gabi na... Huh! akala ko sira na 130 ko...  ;D

bro t_s_o_n_g, upgrade na sa hk330 para mas pwede mo ihataw yung ma's mo  ;D  >:D  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Jan 04, 2005 at 07:39 AM
bro t_s_o_n_g, upgrade na sa hk330 para mas pwede mo ihataw yung ma's mo  ;D  >:D  ;D

Too early to upgrade. Kakabili ko pala lang kasi ng 130 ko. About 2 months old palang... :-)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 04, 2005 at 07:47 AM
Too early to upgrade. Kakabili ko pala lang kasi ng 130 ko. About 2 months old palang... :-)

Tsong,

pag frequent shut off bring it to your dealer for check up.. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 04, 2005 at 08:09 AM
Too early to upgrade. Kakabili ko pala lang kasi ng 130 ko. About 2 months old palang... :-)

ang lupit mo palang mag break in -5db e ako hanggang -15db lang nalalakasan  na  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Jan 04, 2005 at 08:22 AM
di naman na nakababad sa -5dB. Cguro an average of -10 to -12dB....  ;D Tsaka depende sa audio recording ng DVD. Meron kasing ibang DVD na mahina ang audio...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Jan 04, 2005 at 08:29 AM
di naman na nakababad sa -5dB. Cguro an average of -10 to -12dB....  ;D Tsaka depende sa audio recording ng DVD. Meron kasing ibang DVD na mahina ang audio...


malakas pa rin  ;D ;D ;D tapos baka mataas din setting mo sa bias kaya cguro nag break down??
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jacorb88 on Jan 04, 2005 at 08:35 AM
after long research and q&a from this thread, i just acquired my hk130. my decision had the inputs from avphile and other expert posters here. i also paired my hk with wharfedale 9.4 (fronts, cs).

thank you so much guys!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Jan 04, 2005 at 08:51 AM
Tsong,

pag frequent shut off bring it to your dealer for check up.. :)

Tama, before na masira ang HK ko yan ang napansin ko frequent ang shut off, kakabukas palang patay na agad.

Quote
after long research and q&a from this thread, i just acquired my hk130. my decision had the inputs from avphile and other expert posters here. i also paired my hk with wharfedale 9.4 (fronts, cs).

Congrats jacorb88 panalo yang set-up mo HT/Music maganda walang itatapon. Enjoy.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Jan 04, 2005 at 11:45 AM
di naman na nakababad sa -5dB. Cguro an average of -10 to -12dB....  ;D Tsaka depende sa audio recording ng DVD. Meron kasing ibang DVD na mahina ang audio...

bro t_s_o_n_g,

sinabayan mo yata ang mga paputok noong new year kaya umabot hanggang -5dB yung volume ng hk130 mo  ;D   ;D   ;D.
anyway, enjoy nalang sa hk130 mo.  i'm sure you're very satisfied with its performance paired to your ma's.

happy new year! 

cheers,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jan 04, 2005 at 09:47 PM
pre sa laki ba naman ng woofer nyang bookshelf na floorstander mo e... talagang nde mo na kailangan ng sub..  ;D  :D

heheheh, nde naman po....  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jan 04, 2005 at 09:48 PM
after long research and q&a from this thread, i just acquired my hk130. my decision had the inputs from avphile and other expert posters here. i also paired my hk with wharfedale 9.4 (fronts, cs).

thank you so much guys!

congrats!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: positive_noise on Jan 08, 2005 at 01:20 PM
Need help here!

My avr-130 also shutdown and says "PROTECT" on the display. This only happened if I set the volume to -10 dB when watching a movie and only on the extreme sound of the movie like explosions. I'm using a B4-front/B-center/B2-surround. Is this normal to 130? Furthermore, I don't not have a fan to cool down the 130 when watching/listening at this volume level. Also, I just directly plugging in my 130 to 220 AC outlet. Don't have an AVR (Voltage regulator) at this moment.

 

Hi Bro tsong,

There are many types of "PROTECT" incorporated in most amplifiers/receiver, such as:



In your case Bro Tsong, i believe its on Thermal Shutdown, try to improve receiver ventilation and add blower to cool it off. ;)


enjoy!
positive-noise. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Jan 10, 2005 at 10:33 AM
I vaccum my HK330 every few months too, If I were you.  (unless it's new... he he he)  Minsan lang nangyari sa akin yan protect.... wires ang problem ko dati, shorted them out over time.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cousin skeeter on Jan 10, 2005 at 11:11 AM
did u guys see at asst buy n sell docritch selling his hk330 for 22T? why didnt i see that? dang! whoever got it,
grabe, ang swerte nya. sobrang mura!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Jan 10, 2005 at 11:21 AM
did u guys see at asst buy n sell docritch selling his hk330 for 22T? why didnt i see that? dang! whoever got it,
grabe, ang swerte nya. sobrang mura!


parang tumama sa karera yung nakakuha non...  ;D  :D congrats kung sino man syang pinagpala..  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Jan 11, 2005 at 05:43 PM
did u guys see at asst buy n sell docritch selling his hk330 for 22T? why didnt i see that? dang! whoever got it,
grabe, ang swerte nya. sobrang mura!


WOW!  swerte naman ng nakakuha non.  laking saving talaga non.   :)
i think price ng hk330 ngayon nasa 29k+.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: torque on Jan 13, 2005 at 07:12 PM
mcbry,

thanks for letting us audition your hk/ma/velo set-up.
tulo laway ko pre!  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Jan 13, 2005 at 07:49 PM
bro torque, you're very much welcome.   :)
kayang kaya mo rin bumili nya bro   ;D   >:D   ;D

what matters most is that we are satisfied with our gears.

enjoy,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Jan 14, 2005 at 09:12 AM
mcbry, medyo malutong pa yung tunog ng B4 mo. Kailangan mo pang i break-in. Suggest ko lang, try listening at -5dB. Cguradong, lalambot agad tunog niyan.... hehehe.

Thanks also for letting us hear your system... enjoy your HK/MA....  ;D ;D ;D

t_s_o_n_g
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Jan 17, 2005 at 08:08 AM
bro t_s_o_n_g, you're very much welcome  :)
hirap pag umabot ng -5dB baka batuhin na ako ng land lady namin  ;D
bili kana kasi ng sub para hindi na kailangan umabot pa ng -5dB ang hk mo  ;D  >:D   ;D

cheers!  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Jan 18, 2005 at 08:26 PM
bro t_s_o_n_g, you're very much welcome  :)
hirap pag umabot ng -5dB baka batuhin na ako ng land lady namin  ;D
bili kana kasi ng sub para hindi na kailangan umabot pa ng -5dB ang hk mo  ;D  >:D   ;D

cheers!  :)


Kakaingit sarap mag HT kaso wala ako  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jacorb88 on Jan 19, 2005 at 02:30 PM
i got my HK130 just recently. am still saving up for an active subwoofer. currently, i have passive subwoofer from a pioneer htib which i have as my first ht system. how do i connect the pioneer subs to my HK130? the pioneer subs (8 ohms, 75w) has speaker jacks only for +/- wires. thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Jan 19, 2005 at 02:42 PM
i got my HK130 just recently. am still saving up for an active subwoofer. currently, i have passive subwoofer from a pioneer htib which i have as my first ht system. how do i connect the pioneer subs to my HK130? the pioneer subs (8 ohms, 75w) has speaker jacks only for +/- wires. thanks.

i don't think this is possible w/ the hk. the sw out is for active subs.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 19, 2005 at 03:41 PM
i got my HK130 just recently. am still saving up for an active subwoofer. currently, i have passive subwoofer from a pioneer htib which i have as my first ht system. how do i connect the pioneer subs to my HK130? the pioneer subs (8 ohms, 75w) has speaker jacks only for +/- wires. thanks.

The HK's sub-out is expecting a power amplifier that powers a subwoofer.  If you can get a 75 watt amplifier from the pier or elsewhere ( 2T to 4T), use this to power your passive subwoofer.  Connect the HK subout to AUX/CD input of the  amp and connect the amp's speaker terminals to the + and - terminals on your passive sub. (just use one channel if the amp is in stereo, use the other other channel for another passive sub for the rear if you like.)  A pure power amp is preferred, provided it has an input level control or volume control.  Otherwise, an integrated amp will do for your passive sub, just don't overdrive it. 

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jacorb88 on Jan 25, 2005 at 09:38 AM
avphile,

one more question. HK130 has two power outlets at the back...Switched and Unswitched. The Switched outlet has max of 50v while the Unswitched has max of 100v. The Unswitched outlet goes off when AVR is turned off. While the Switched remains on even if the avr is off.

I was thinking of installing some blower (like the ones inside pc cpu) at the floor of my avr rack. HK will be placed directly above the blower, thereby, covering the whole blower. Hence, there'll be no unsightly blower sticking out. I was thinking of plugging the blower through the Unswitched outlet of the avr so that, it goes on and off together with the avr and no separate blower switch needed.

I just need an 100-240v adapter (like cell charger) that would serve to power the blower which is actually 12v.

I read that some HK owners experiences auto-shutoff due to heat not dissipating properly out of the avr. My question is, will there be any negative effect on my HK if i install a blower as exhaust mechanism?

thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 25, 2005 at 05:47 PM
There are 220 version of the blower but slightly bigger.Try ACE hardware. Just make sure there is enough space for ventilation. I use one for my old AVR but for my HK I dont need it anymore because it does not get hot.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: SR4 on Jan 26, 2005 at 07:38 PM

In your case Bro Tsong, i believe its on Thermal Shutdown, try to improve receiver ventilation and add blower to cool it off. ;)


enjoy!
positive-noise. ;D ;D ;D



Hi Tsong,

I believe you could also add some additional heat sink, just to serene the thermal agitation during
high power transients.I used belkin regulator pro series, and gives me a wide range of ventillation which
placate my usage during long hours of operation.Just my 3 cents.

cheers!
-SR4-
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Jan 27, 2005 at 11:11 AM
mga sirs, newbie Q po.

I am connsidering to buy a HK5500 whose specs says it's 6.1  . However, pag tinignan ko yung manual wala ako makita na spkr out connection for the rear center. So how will it work in 6.1 mode? Sa yammy po kasi talagang may dedicated output connection for the rear center speaker.

P.S. I intent to use either a coax or opt connection from my dvd player.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jan 27, 2005 at 11:20 AM
mga sirs, newbie Q po.

I am connsidering to buy a HK5500 whose specs says it's 6.1  . However, pag tinignan ko yung manual wala ako makita na spkr out connection for the rear center. So how will it work in 6.1 mode? Sa yammy po kasi talagang may dedicated output connection for the rear center speaker.

P.S. I intent to use either a coax or opt connection from my dvd player.
try getting the new model of hk avr230 (6.1)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 27, 2005 at 11:53 AM
My question is, will there be any negative effect on my HK if i install a blower as exhaust mechanism?

thanks.

None that I know of.  Except if the noise from the blower or exhaust fan is objectionable for you. Just make sure you get a silent one. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 27, 2005 at 11:56 AM
mga sirs, newbie Q po.

I am connsidering to buy a HK5500 whose specs says it's 6.1  . However, pag tinignan ko yung manual wala ako makita na spkr out connection for the rear center. So how will it work in 6.1 mode? Sa yammy po kasi talagang may dedicated output connection for the rear center speaker.

P.S. I intent to use either a coax or opt connection from my dvd player.

Some older recievers that claim 6.1 are just 6.1 READY.  Meaning they have a 6th channel pre-out that you can connect to an ouboard power amp to drive a rear center speaker.  They don't have a 6th power amp.  The newer ones have a 6th or 7th power amp to drive the associated speakers. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: chad on Feb 06, 2005 at 12:07 AM
mga sir,
 
   i'm planning to buy this AVR130 before my vacation kasi on sale sya dito, im presently here in dubai. tanong ko lang po kung san kaya mas mababa ang presyo, dyan ba sa atin o dito? kasi dito 2349 dhs, more or less 35000 converted into peso, included na ang speakers (Infinity HCS)..... i need your comments and opinions... salamat po
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Feb 07, 2005 at 09:23 AM
bro, price of avr130 dito sa manila nasa P18k to P19k... another advantage kung dito mo bibilhin ang unit is the warranty...

enjoy,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 08, 2005 at 09:18 AM
Chad,

It's OK to bring DVD and CD players from abroad.  So easy to conceal even in garment bags.  But receivers and speakers?  Not only will the so called international warranties not be honoured locally, but you just might be slapped with excess baggage charge with those heavy and bulky items.  Then pray your baggage arrives with you.  ;D

You could ofcourse course them via freight, which is cheaper.   But you have to crate them properly and pay freight charges.  And pray they still operate when you get them.  ;D 

Either way, you can't escape Customs.   ;D


BTW,  what speakers come with the AVR?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jacorb88 on Feb 08, 2005 at 09:35 AM
chad,

if ur an ofw, you got customs tax exemptions. but then again, u have to worry your baggage weight limit plus ur warranties unless you have international warranties being honored by service centers here.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: chad on Feb 09, 2005 at 03:06 PM
jacorb88, av_phile1, mcbry:

mga bro,

tnx for your comments and suggestions, siguro nga its better for me to buy it in manila. i'll just keep in touch with you guys. btw, the speaker is infinity HCS. Sub-100W; Center, Fronts and Rears also 100, im not sure of its model. sensya na im new in this hobby....salamat po




Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 09, 2005 at 04:12 PM
Teka, parang mura nga if the AVR is packaged with the Inifinity Primus HCS line.  Can anyone verify?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jamesmartini on Feb 11, 2005 at 12:31 AM
chad,

i suggest you buy your system in manila instead. go to megamall (Acoustical Space). - meron bago Infinity TSS-750 & yes the mura lang dito AVR's (guaranteed warranties pa).

look for Clifford (+632) 631-3259.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Feb 11, 2005 at 10:24 AM
try getting the new model of hk avr230 (6.1)


sige na nga......hey guys I just bought Taggart's HK230. Will set it up this weekend yoooohooo!!! ;D 8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Feb 11, 2005 at 10:41 AM

sige na nga......hey guys I just bought Taggart's HK230. Will set it up this weekend yoooohooo!!! ;D 8)

wow congrats dude :) what's the rest of your setup?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Feb 11, 2005 at 12:31 PM

sige na nga......hey guys I just bought Taggart's HK230. Will set it up this weekend yoooohooo!!! ;D 8)

Congrats bro!  i'm sure you'll enjoy your new baby.

cheers,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Feb 11, 2005 at 01:22 PM
wow congrats dude :) what's the rest of your setup?

paired with MS300 series po :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Feb 11, 2005 at 01:24 PM
paired with MS300 series po :)

that is nice :) very nice :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: taggart on Feb 11, 2005 at 01:49 PM
pre anong sabi ni kumander? ;D  for sure mag-eenjoy kayo dyan hehe.  congrats!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Feb 11, 2005 at 03:09 PM
pre anong sabi ni kumander? ;D  for sure mag-eenjoy kayo dyan hehe.  congrats!

cool lang sya, sabi ko kse nag swap lang tayo ng avr heheheh. ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: taggart on Feb 11, 2005 at 06:59 PM
cool lang sya, sabi ko kse nag swap lang tayo ng avr heheheh. ;D

swap huh?  nice one hehe!  alryt man hanep pala speaker setup mo ms300 series.  hope they match up great.     
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Feb 12, 2005 at 06:20 AM
Any member here using HK2000? ano po ba ang power ratting nitong amp na ito? Thanks  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Feb 14, 2005 at 01:23 PM
mga guru, help naman please re HK230

Accdg to the specs...
Power Consumption: 118W idle, 890W max (6 Channels driven).

Is it safe to plug the unit sa existing Automatic Voltage Regulato (AVR) ko rated @ 1kW only, usually dito rin naka connect yung TV (170W)  + yung DVD player (15W)? Or should I just plug the unit directly to the AC outlet na lang? Or do I need a higher rated AVR :-\
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jackryan on Feb 14, 2005 at 03:57 PM
mga guru, help naman please re HK230

Accdg to the specs...
Power Consumption: 118W idle, 890W max (6 Channels driven).

Is it safe to plug the unit sa existing Automatic Voltage Regulato (AVR) ko rated @ 1kW only, usually dito rin naka connect yung TV (170W)  + yung DVD player (15W)? Or should I just plug the unit directly to the AC outlet na lang? Or do I need a higher rated AVR :-\


I would think that if you are not doing full volumes, the over-all 890W max would not be reached. However, for your peace of mind and as a safety precaution, I suggest you might as well invest in a higher rated AVR. I think the Yadens at higher specs would be reasonably priced.

-jackryan 8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Feb 14, 2005 at 04:15 PM
mga guru, help naman please re HK230

Accdg to the specs...
Power Consumption: 118W idle, 890W max (6 Channels driven).

Is it safe to plug the unit sa existing Automatic Voltage Regulato (AVR) ko rated @ 1kW only, usually dito rin naka connect yung TV (170W)  + yung DVD player (15W)? Or should I just plug the unit directly to the AC outlet na lang? Or do I need a higher rated AVR :-\

for safety reasons better to get a higher rated avr.  you can get a 1.5kVA YADEN avr at Raon for only P2k.  anyway, you can still use your existing avr for your sub and other gears.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 14, 2005 at 04:47 PM
Your TV would almost  consume the rated power due to its hungry CRT used. The DVD player eats no more than 50watts.  So that leaves you with more than 750watts.  You have to be listening at max volumes to eat all that 890watts.  Your 1000watt AVR should be just fine at comfortable listening levels, say 40% of rated power. 

Ofcourse, it wouldn't hurt if you have a dedicated AVR or even wall socket for the Receiver.   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Feb 14, 2005 at 05:09 PM
tnx for the feedback mga sir.....

do I really need an AVR for the receiver? Or can I just plug it directly to the AC outlet.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 14, 2005 at 05:16 PM
If, from your experience, your household AC current doesn't fluctuate that much, you can live without a regulator.  A regulator is often most helpful when the votage in your area goes below 10% of 220volts often.  I don't use any, except surge protectors that come with the extension chords I use.  Not even my PC.  I am more interested in an online UPS for my PC. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: taggart on Feb 16, 2005 at 11:04 PM
tnx for the feedback mga sir.....

do I really need an AVR for the receiver? Or can I just plug it directly to the AC outlet.

pre tama si sir av_phile1 observe your current...kung malikot, better kung meron.  in my case di naman kaya i just plug it straight to the main socket.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Feb 17, 2005 at 11:04 AM
thanks mga friends..

I finally got a Yaden 1.5kW AVR from Raon yesterday (Php2K). Sa tingin nyo SAFE na kaya to with the following loads...?

1. HK AVR (para nde OT ;))..........890W max
2. Sony TV...................................170W
3. DVD Player..............................15W
TOTAL..........................................1075W

whatchathink?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Feb 17, 2005 at 11:23 AM
bro Fox Mulder,  congrats sa bagong Yaden mo... safe na yung gears mo using the 1.5kVA avr... actually my hk330, dvd player and cht10 sub are also connected sa yaden 1.5kVA... i didn't experience any problem in terms of its loading capacity.

enjoy,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: krets pulpol on Feb 17, 2005 at 11:30 AM
ehehe i don't think your hk avr can consume 890 watts unless you crank the volume at maximum all the time
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Feb 17, 2005 at 11:46 AM
ok na kung ganun.  O0

it's "ALL SYSTEMS GO" na ako for the long delayed setup this weekend!!! All I'm missing is just a set of good banana jacks to terminate the spkr wires sa AVR. Any idea where to buy these?

Pero pag wala talaga, didretso ko na lang. Atat na atat nko eh ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Feb 17, 2005 at 11:54 AM
bro if you're near makati, audio stores at park square 1 have those banana jacks... sa greenbelt naman, meron din available sa arch audio... sa megamall, meron din available sa listening room...

pero kung hindi mo naman palagi tinatanggal ang speaker wires mo pwede na i-diretso mo nalang ang connection mo sa hk avr...

enjoy your harman kardon...

cheers,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jacorb88 on Feb 17, 2005 at 11:59 AM
fox,

if you dont normally hook/unhook up ur speakers with ur avr/spkrs, better have it directly connected. this was recommended to me by epoy of archi audio. at lease u wont need to be concerned with how good a conductor ur banana plugs are. for my setup, i directly connect the spkr wires to avr (one end) but use banana plugs to connect spkr wires to my speakrs (other end). its actually for practical reasons. its a lot easier to do the cleaning with my floorstandng spkrs safely stalled somewhere =).

i bought mine at psquare for 180 a pair (quantum). if ur facing ambassador, it's the shop on the right. forgot the name eh.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Feb 17, 2005 at 12:00 PM
Try sight and sound sa shangrila mall sa crossing. They are selling gold plated banana plugs at around 130+ a pair. I've scouted also sa raon, and the banana plugs cost around 100 php pero pangit yung plating...  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Feb 21, 2005 at 11:50 AM
ok mga bosing....na setup ko na HK ko last Saturday. Very impressive.

1 Q lang (na naman ;))......I noticed while setting up na when using the OSD function ng remote, the display appears as rolling screen sa TV display. Its similar to what u see when ur playing a PAL source and ur TV is not multi system. I got rid of this problem by holding down the OSD key for 3 secs, tapos ok na yung display.

Kaso after turning the AVR off (totally removed from AC outlet) for 2-3 hrs, bumabalik sya sa dati pag press nung OSD button, rolling pic na naman. As in, I have to press and hold down the OSD key again para maging ok yung dispaly sa TV.

Is this a normal occurrence?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: d00dZ on Feb 21, 2005 at 01:55 PM
mga sir, pa-advice naman po.

i'm in the middle of upgrading from a Yamaha DVX-S60 HTIB to separates. For now, nakabili na ako ng:
Wharfedale Diamond 9.4, Powercube 12, at WH-3 front and surrounds. Plano ko pa bumili ng diamond 9.C, para gawin center back surround na lang yung WH-3 front (if 6.1), or isa pang WH-3 front para gawing surrounds (if 7.1) hehe

after several weeks of walk-ins and internet research, i narrowed down my choice of avr between Yamaha RX-V650 and Harman Kardon AVR 230.

+ ng avr 230: looks, better sa audio, looks, higher brand equity to those in the know, looks

+ ng rx-v650: 7.1, lower power consumption, slightly cheaper

90 ht: 10 audio most likely gamit ko. paki-summarize naman po in one post why i should choose the h/k.

Thanks! and one more question: ano difference ng voltage regulator sa surge protector? do i really need an avr to protect my gear or ayos na surge protector?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Feb 21, 2005 at 02:55 PM
for me pre kung mahilig ka sa HT go for yamaha dahil dyan cla kilala pag dating sa AVR at kung 50/50 lang got for HK balanse sya in music very warm tapos with your wharfedale........perfect combi ..................

happty hunting ........ ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Feb 21, 2005 at 03:55 PM
bro d00dZ, base on your preferences 90/10 (ht/music) i suggest you go for Yamaha... tama si j_albert22 na kilala talaga ang Yamaha sa ht... and also, maganda din naman na match yung wharfedale mo sa Yamaha... if you prefer 50/50 (ht/music) then HK is the best choice.

enjoy,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jackryan on Feb 21, 2005 at 03:58 PM
bro d00dZ, base on your preferences 90/10 (ht/music) i suggest you go for Yamaha... tama si j_albert22 na kilala talaga ang Yamaha sa ht... and also, maganda din naman na match yung wharfedale mo sa Yamaha... if you prefer 50/50 (ht/music) then HK is the best choice.

enjoy,
 :)

I think this additional input is OT since this under HK thread  ::)

I have Yamaha RX-V750 and before this a 795a, but aside from HT, I am okay with music.  I presume, watching concert DVD's can also be considered more on musical side ba? Nevertheless, the RX-V750's NEO6-Music mode is also great ! There is also a stereo-bypass mode that allows me to really listen to music on "pure" mode basis.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Feb 21, 2005 at 03:59 PM
ok mga bosing....na setup ko na HK ko last Saturday. Very impressive.

1 Q lang (na naman ;))......I noticed while setting up na when using the OSD function ng remote, the display appears as rolling screen sa TV display. Its similar to what u see when ur playing a PAL source and ur TV is not multi system. I got rid of this problem by holding down the OSD key for 3 secs, tapos ok na yung display.

Kaso after turning the AVR off (totally removed from AC outlet) for 2-3 hrs, bumabalik sya sa dati pag press nung OSD button, rolling pic na naman. As in, I have to press and hold down the OSD key again para maging ok yung dispaly sa TV.

Is this a normal occurrence?

the OSD function is by default in PAL format.. hence you still need to use the workaround.. lucky for you the newer 30 series has this... mine is the older model and doesnt have this capabilility... enjoy and congrats on your HK.....  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Feb 21, 2005 at 04:18 PM
the OSD function is by default in PAL format.. hence you still need to use the workaround.. lucky for you the newer 30 series has this... mine is the older model and doesnt have this capabilility... enjoy and congrats on your HK.....  ;)

thanks sebman, whew!!!! at least nakahinga na ako knowing nothing is wrong with my unit.

Sa HT ko pa lang sya nasubukan, I think I heard sounds that weren't present with my previous AVR.  Medyo mas mainit nga lang tong HK, but I got that fixed  by using a PC blower.

I am very very satisfied so far.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: d00dZ on Feb 22, 2005 at 09:23 AM
j_albert22 and mcbry, thanks for the honest opinions. if only available na h/k avr 235 dito, tapos na problema ko!

any ideas when ito dating sa pinas? kung malapit na baka pwede ko naman tiisin ang kati
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zap|JDM on Feb 23, 2005 at 05:26 PM
yep, meron na kaya sa spectra nito HK235? been reading its specs from the NET, and im impressed. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zap|JDM on Feb 25, 2005 at 06:58 PM
just bought a while ago HK230 and HK DVD22 from spectra, got a good deal from Jim. :)


cant wait for the HK235 :P...im very excited with the HK combo! ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Feb 25, 2005 at 08:44 PM
just bought a while ago HK230 and HK DVD22 from spectra, got a good deal from Jim. :)


cant wait for the HK235 :P...im very excited with the HK combo! ;D

nice gears zap|JDM :) congrats on your purchase :) what speakers are you using?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zap|JDM on Feb 26, 2005 at 03:42 PM
ill be using Mission m74i as main, m3c2 center, m3ds as surround.

im still thinking of an affordable but good for music & HT sub.  i heard and felt the 10in Klipsche from spectra yesterday and i liked it.

OT:  any other sub priced lower than the Klipsche(24k) that can match my gears?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Mar 04, 2005 at 10:38 PM
Any member here using HK 2000? Just wanna ask kung meron pa bang setting ang amp na ito to boost the bass? wla pa kasi akong sub as of now..thanks in advance
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Mar 07, 2005 at 09:52 AM
ill be using Mission m74i as main, m3c2 center, m3ds as surround.

im still thinking of an affordable but good for music & HT sub.  i heard and felt the 10in Klipsche from spectra yesterday and i liked it.

OT:  any other sub priced lower than the Klipsche(24k) that can match my gears?

sir zap|JDM, congrats on your new HK230 and HK DVD 22.
for the sub, you may try to audition velodyne cht10, usher and ae... try to visit architectural audio... they carry these sub...

enjoy,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Mar 07, 2005 at 10:55 AM
hi! just need some help with my decision cuz im planning to buy a receiver....
which has more features...the yamaha rxv 650 or HK230/330? which do you think is good for audio?
and the prices how much is the HK230/330? or the rxv650? which store can i get one of those with great discounts? thanks....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Mar 07, 2005 at 11:28 AM
hi! just need some help with my decision cuz im planning to buy a receiver....
which has more features...the yamaha rxv 650 or HK230/330? which do you think is good for audio?
and the prices how much is the HK230/330? or the rxv650? which store can i get one of those with great discounts? thanks....
hk amp are designed high current so the signal going out is powerful rather than other amp
try going to spectra @ parksquare 1 in makati they carry those brand and try to audition them so that you'll be able to differentiate it
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zap|JDM on Mar 07, 2005 at 12:42 PM
yes spectra sells HK and Yammie AVR.  they give a good price of you haggle a little.

i really like the HK230 than the RX-V650, the HK is sleeker, music is better too, but pricier than the 650.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Mar 07, 2005 at 02:35 PM
bro keema, for harman kardon try to visit architectural audio at greenbelt 1... they can offer you a very good price and a very good after sales service there... HK are very good in both ht and music... hk330 is around P29k... audition na bro...

enjoy,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Mar 07, 2005 at 05:12 PM
mas mahal nga...pero sulit naman ata to diba?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zap|JDM on Mar 07, 2005 at 06:14 PM
sulit talaga. 24+k lang ang HK230 sa spectra.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Mar 07, 2005 at 07:55 PM
mas mahal nga...pero sulit naman ata to diba?

hk will never disappoint you bro... audition mo rin para ikaw mismo ang makakapagsabi kung sulit ang price ng hk...

enjoy,
 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: taggart on Mar 07, 2005 at 11:48 PM
for a HK, the price is pretty good although you'll have to watch out for new models.  it's also better for you especially if you're going for audio/HT.  i prefer the audio quality of HK to Yamaha too. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 08, 2005 at 01:46 AM
depende pa rin sa iyo yan kung 50/50 ka sa HK pero kung more on movie e dung ako sa YAMAHA (trademark na ny kc yan ala pang tumatalo ;D)...but first audition mo pareho para masaksihan mo  ;) ;).................sya nga pala HK user din toits..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: 5Speed on Mar 08, 2005 at 11:17 AM
24K pesos for a HK230?? :o
 
hmmm parang mas mura pa dyan ah....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zap|JDM on Mar 08, 2005 at 03:10 PM
yes it is. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jamesmartini on Mar 09, 2005 at 12:45 PM
check out digital dreams/acoustical space/soundroom for good prices on the hk avr's as well...they even good packages for it if you buy the infinity primus series.

btw, hk avr 135/235/335/435/635 will be coming to town soon...watch out for it...and expect the old models to go on sale...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Mar 12, 2005 at 12:55 AM
guys, ano yung features po ng 235???

thanks
Title: help on harmon kardon av510
Post by: ans3288 on Mar 12, 2005 at 08:58 AM
i bought an old refurbished harmon kardon 510 from the states, i was using it for a while then suddenly the whoe receiver would turn off, but when you press the on button again, it would startup.

sometimes, when i turn on the receiver, it just turns on then offs again, any idea that causes this?
Title: Re: help on harmon kardon av510
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 14, 2005 at 04:20 AM
pre check all connection like RCA, Speaker cable digital cable etc basta lahat nang ikinakabit mo sa AVR mo baka kase may nagshoshort or maluwag that cause false triggering and activate the AVR protection shut off...... ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 14, 2005 at 04:23 AM
guys, ano yung features po ng 235???

thanks

hmmmmmmmm masama yang mga tanong na yan  ;D ;D isang simtomas sa SARS ..........................
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gaol on Mar 14, 2005 at 06:32 AM
guys, ano yung features po ng 235???

thanks

7 channels x 50 watts vs 6 x 50 sa 230. dpl2x. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Mar 14, 2005 at 07:55 AM
1 year old na pala HK330 ko... he he he  Good thing 0 hassle all year long!  Galing talaga ng Harman Kardon
Title: Re: help on harmon kardon av510
Post by: ans3288 on Mar 14, 2005 at 08:28 AM
i already checked that thanks, but still sometimes it turns off by itself...

but when i "tap" on the top of the receiver, the receiver would work fine

weird...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Mar 14, 2005 at 09:04 AM
1 year old na pala HK330 ko... he he he  Good thing 0 hassle all year long!  Galing talaga ng Harman Kardon

sir brav0exo, happy birthday sa HK330 mo  ;D... galing nga talaga ng harman kardon... yung hk330 ko 5 months palang... lalong gumanda ang performance nya.

enjoy,
 :)
Title: Re: help on harmon kardon av510
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 14, 2005 at 04:01 PM
Sounds like a lose connection somewhere where tapping solves the problem  COuld be a relay switching problem.  I would suggest you have the proper service center look at the unit.
Title: Re: help on harmon kardon av510
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 15, 2005 at 09:16 PM
Sounds like a lose connection somewhere where tapping solves the problem  COuld be a relay switching problem.  I would suggest you have the proper service center look at the unit.

agree ako sayo  av_phile but one thing risk that could happen baka pagmulan nang sunog yan kung lagi mong tinatapik kc nakecreate nang spark that cause burn kaya kung ako sa iyo agapan mo na patignan mo na agad.......
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: maozedong on Mar 16, 2005 at 07:42 AM
How much can i sell my AVR130... it is in great condition.. it still has the plastic protection film.. it never went out of the entertainment cabinet.. had an external exhaust from the very first day of installation.. rarely used.. bought last june.. At P17.5K, will it be sellable?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 16, 2005 at 08:17 AM
How much can i sell my AVR130... it is in great condition.. it still has the plastic protection film.. it never went out of the entertainment cabinet.. had an external exhaust from the very first day of installation.. rarely used.. bought last june.. At P17.5K, will it be sellable?

konting baba pa sir at mabilis pa sa alas kwatro yan :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: 5Speed on Mar 16, 2005 at 10:28 AM
hehehehe mukang me mag-a-upgrade na naman dito.... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 16, 2005 at 10:33 AM
hehehehe mukang me mag-a-upgrade na naman dito.... ;D

naku sir, nde ah (guilty hehehe). dati, i was planning to setup an HT. and the hk 130 was my first choice. then i realized i didn't have the space. so i settled for an integrated amp instead :)

just trying to help sir mao to sell his hk fast ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: garee on Mar 16, 2005 at 03:40 PM
How much can i sell my AVR130... it is in great condition.. it still has the plastic protection film.. it never went out of the entertainment cabinet.. had an external exhaust from the very first day of installation.. rarely used.. bought last june.. At P17.5K, will it be sellable?

tumawag ako sa Digital Dreams about two weeks ago, they have the HK AVR130 on sale for P17,600

i think medyo babaan mo pa presyo para appealing sa mga gusto bumili, sigurado puno inbox mo sa tanong na last price hehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Mar 19, 2005 at 03:17 PM
mga sirs, tanong ko lang...anong DAC's ng HK avr 130, 230,  at 330? thanks..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 22, 2005 at 03:27 PM
mga sirs, tanong ko lang...anong DAC's ng HK avr 130, 230,  at 330? thanks..

96/24. did i get the question right?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: obey on Apr 03, 2005 at 08:17 PM
May nakapag-audition na ba ng HK+Aurum Cantus F-Series combo?  Wala bang shut-off problems na nae-encounter dahil 4 ohms ang speakers? Balak ko kasing i-suggest itong combo sa in-laws ko kc balak nila bumubuo ng HT.  Medyo wala ring time mag-audition.  Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zap|JDM on Apr 05, 2005 at 02:24 PM
kaya ng HK yang 4ohms, na try ko na rin ang HK230 sa audience 42(4ohms din)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: obey on Apr 05, 2005 at 03:55 PM
Ok.  Thanks zapJDM!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Apr 06, 2005 at 02:37 PM
hk230 is a high current receiver kaya there should be no problem driving a 4 ohms speaker.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Apr 10, 2005 at 10:40 AM
mga sirs...bakit hindi 192 kHz/24 ang DAC ng harman kardon ? importante pa ba to?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Apr 11, 2005 at 08:51 AM
bakit mas mahal ang HK sa yamaha?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zap|JDM on Apr 11, 2005 at 10:56 AM
maybe the HK are hi-current.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 11, 2005 at 11:05 AM
bakit mas mahal ang HK sa yamaha?

Depends on the model.  There's a Yamaha Z9 flagship receiver costing above 200T.  I am not aware of any locally available HK flagship receiver that even remotely approaches this price tag.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 11, 2005 at 11:36 AM
mga sirs...bakit hindi 192 kHz/24 ang DAC ng harman kardon ? importante pa ba to?

I don't think HK believes a lot about the benefits of 192/24 when most DVD players can only output 96/24 via the digital path.  HK is one of the few that doesn't go with the current fashion.  If you notice, none of the locally available HK receivers are THX certified.  If I recall right, they stopped THX certification prior to 2000 with their flagship receiver AVR80 which I think was the last THX certified HK.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Apr 11, 2005 at 01:14 PM
mga sirs...bakit hindi 192 kHz/24 ang DAC ng harman kardon ? importante pa ba to?

I think HK AVR's also used 192kHZ/24 bit DAC... see link below. Got it from HK website.
http://manuals.harman.com/hk/Product%20Information/SEPT2003BROCHURE.pdf

Cheers!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Apr 11, 2005 at 11:03 PM
Depends on the model.  There's a Yamaha Z9 flagship receiver costing above 200T.  I am not aware of any locally available HK flagship receiver that even remotely approaches this price tag.

ahmm..yung rxv 650 and avr 330..pareho lang atang 7.1 yun..pero bakit mas mahal ang HK?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 12, 2005 at 11:03 AM
I think the AVR330 is an older model replaced by the AVR 335.  The Yamaha RXV665 is a relatively newer model.  As older models go, they are often priced higher than newer models, noitwithstanding inflation and currency rate adjustments.   Then again, HK is traditionally positioned at a higher market bracket than Yamaha, in general.  And perhaps because of this HK does not enjoy a more mass based patronage as Yamaha which can yield more economies of scale benefits.  So they can afford a lower price tag.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gaol on Apr 12, 2005 at 01:02 PM
In other countries, if I am not mistaken, the entry to mid level prices of yamaha, HK, denon, etc. for comparable models are generally not that far off from each other.

It's possible that the local distributors of HK here believe its buyers are willing to pay more for HK's power and musicality -- even if the HK models do not have the latest features (e.g. 7.1 vx 6.1, DLP2x, etc.) and are also not the latest models (135, 235, 335, etc.) that have already been available for some time elsewhere in the world. It's up to the buyer then to decide if the premium is worth it, presumably after auditioning all options.

Having said that, there are other brands here that appear to be more expensive than their competing models: I think NAD, Cambridge Audio, and to some extent Denon.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zap|JDM on Apr 19, 2005 at 05:59 PM
HK peeps, does the AVR230 has speaker A and B? parang wala  :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Apr 19, 2005 at 09:22 PM
yup, wala nga.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Apr 20, 2005 at 10:32 AM
mga bosing tanong naman pls.

im using a computer fan to keep my HK230 cool during usage pero nakasabit lang ito at the back of the avr via the HT stand. ok lang ba ipatong directly yung fan sa ibabaw ng avr? masyado kase mainit yung avr eh specially ngayong summer.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zap|JDM on Apr 20, 2005 at 10:52 AM
pwede yan. ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JEX on Apr 21, 2005 at 09:00 PM
ano ang good buy, HK 230 or 330 or wait for the coming model?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Apr 21, 2005 at 10:17 PM
330. 7.1 na. hintayin mong mag clearance sale ;D hopefully ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: odyopayl on Apr 22, 2005 at 06:07 PM
330. 7.1 na. hintayin mong mag clearance sale ;D hopefully ;D

Hope na pag labas ng 135 series bumaba na ang 330. BTW, magkano na 330 ngayon?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JEX on Apr 22, 2005 at 09:31 PM
Hope na pag labas ng 135 series bumaba na ang 330. BTW, magkano na 330 ngayon?

about 29T sa spectra
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on Apr 25, 2005 at 10:03 AM
ano ang good buy, HK 230 or 330 or wait for the coming model?

go for hk330 na bro.  7.1 (55wx7) na sya at may multizone capability na.  mga 4k-5k lang naman yata ang difference nya sa hk230.  try architectural audio bro, i'm sure they can offer you the best price.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JEX on Apr 25, 2005 at 09:33 PM
ano ang contact number at saan located ang architectural audio? Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Apr 25, 2005 at 10:09 PM
We can be reached at 811-6715.  Our location is at the groundfloor of greenbelt 1. Best entrance is the one near Pancake House, across Max's Fried Chicken, Greenbelt.

Cheers  :) :) :)


ano ang contact number at saan located ang architectural audio? Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Apr 27, 2005 at 10:42 AM
Hi guys,

My friend is going to buy a new Harman Kardon AVR for his dynaudio audience 72. Is HK a good match with dynaudio?

My friend is more into the HK for the looks. We both bought this 1080i DVD player in HongKong with a blue lit tray, bagay na bagay sa HK with its blue lit knobs & stuff. So now he wants a matching HK avr.

TIA    :D.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Apr 27, 2005 at 11:38 AM
Hi guys,

My friend is going to buy a new Harman Kardon AVR for his dynaudio audience 72. Is HK a good match with dynaudio?

My friend is more into the HK for the looks. We both bought this 1080i DVD player in HongKong with a blue lit tray, bagay na bagay sa HK with its blue lit knobs & stuff. So now he wants a matching HK avr.

TIA    :D.

from what i've read, the audience's are detailed. they should pair well w/ a warm HK.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Apr 27, 2005 at 03:44 PM
from what i've read, the audience's are detailed. they should pair well w/ a warm HK.

Yun naman pala eh bili bili na, i have a HK 130 and i may say na you never go wrong with HK. gandang tumunog warm sa music and crisp na crisp naman sa movie.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: DVD-KiD! on May 03, 2005 at 03:02 AM
Hi ya!

guys, help me naman... I went to SM North last sunday and saw a Harman Kardon AVR 230 with JBL SCS 260.6 (6.1 speakers) as a package sale price of Php44,990 in SM appliances. OK na ba yung ganitong setup? my maximum budget is 55k for receivers and speakers kaya lang gusto sanang mag 7.1 na setup and nakita ko sa internet may HK AVR 235 which is 7.1 na! any recommendations for 7.1 receivers and speakers na pasok sa budget kong Php55,000 ano model and where to buy? any kind help would be very much appreciated.

will use the setup for watching dvd movies, listening to audio cds and more on to MP3's.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on May 03, 2005 at 03:03 AM
the hk 330 is 7.1 and is around 30k. 25k can get you some wharfedales. visit spectra in park square 1 in makati. if you're not in a hurry getting a 7.1 set, you can try monitor audio's, acoustic energy's and usher's from architectural audio in greenbelt 1.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: DVD-KiD! on May 03, 2005 at 07:39 AM
the hk 330 is 7.1 and is around 30k. 25k can get you some wharfedales. visit spectra in park square 1 in makati. if you're not in a hurry getting a 7.1 set, you can try monitor audio's, acoustic energy's and usher's from architectural audio in greenbelt 1.

thnx 4 d help bro! most probably next week baka bumili na ako ng receivers and speakers. ;D by any chance do you happen to know what model yung wharfedales na worth 25k? is it 7.1 already? tnx in advance!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on May 03, 2005 at 03:07 PM
here's the pricelist from the spectra thread:

9.1-5500
9.2-7000
9.3-8200
9.4-9700
9.5-12500
9C-4500
9S-3800

the matching sub is 9k (sw150). pagkasyahin mo na lang yung 25k :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: DVD-KiD! on May 03, 2005 at 01:41 PM
here's the pricelist from the spectra thread:

9.1-5500
9.2-7000
9.3-8200
9.4-9700
9.5-12500
9C-4500
9S-3800

the matching sub is 9k (sw150). pagkasyahin mo na lang yung 25k :)

thank you very much bro!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jsllobrera on May 13, 2005 at 02:41 AM
Kailan kaya labas dito ng hk235 at magkano kaya ang price range nito? Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cherubrock on May 16, 2005 at 03:20 AM
Tanong lang po mga sir  :)

I'm planning to upgrade my setup soon and the HK 135 is one of my "finalists" for the receiver and I'm planning to mate them to Diamond 8s. Ang tanong: rated at 45W/ch (55W/ch stereo) kakayanin ba nito yung ganitong speakers given that they have a relatively low sensitivity rating at 86db? I have yet to fully understand the intricacies of HT so medyo worried lang ako that at some point, baka mabitin...

Room size is small, mga 15 sq/m.

Any insight will be highly appreciated, thanks!  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on May 16, 2005 at 08:48 AM
hk's are conservatively rated. 45 wpc is a lot of power already.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on May 16, 2005 at 04:03 PM
cherubrock, kayang kaya ng hk135 yan.  as what bumblebee said, harman kardon avr are conservatively rated.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cherubrock on May 17, 2005 at 01:07 AM
Thanks for the reassurances mga sir! Clarification lang po: by being conservatively rated, does this mean they pack a punch that can stand up to receivers with a higher rating? Can they sustain it? Btw, what does high-current amplification mean and how will this translate to actual usage?

Thanks again, appreciate the input.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on May 17, 2005 at 07:52 AM
try the ff: links.

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/amplifiers/allchannelsdriven.php
http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/amplifiers/receiverpower.php
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: aHobbit on May 17, 2005 at 12:46 PM
try the ff: links.

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/amplifiers/allchannelsdriven.php
http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/amplifiers/receiverpower.php

Nice article sir!  ;)

Nice quote from the link:

"Remember, these receivers are hardly ever driven so close to their limits for any extended period. UNFORTUNATELY, for the few hearing-insensitive consumers that insist on their own continued self-destruction, many manufacturers have to add a limiter.  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jetstar on May 19, 2005 at 05:21 PM
Hey peeps! Will get sana 335 sa B&H pero when I saw the features ng 235 very few ang diperensya for more than a $100 na price. Do you think worth it yung setup mic for ez-set+ and yung cooling fan? Will use it in one single room.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on May 20, 2005 at 10:43 AM
balita ko sa july pa ata release ang mga new models dto sa pinas
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jgl on May 27, 2005 at 08:13 PM
Hi peeps!  Comments naman on the HK AVR330.  I read that there are audio drops (i,e, audio drop out/muting while switching modes) when scanning thru chapters in disks.  How true is this and has there been a confirmed fix for this problem?  Any other problems encountered with this model? Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on May 27, 2005 at 08:22 PM
Hi peeps!  Comments naman on the HK AVR330.  I read that there are audio drops (i,e, audio drop out/muting while switching modes) when scanning thru chapters in disks.  How true is this and has there been a confirmed fix for this problem?  Any other problems encountered with this model? Thanks.

i think this issue concerns the player rather than the receiver. i could be wrong, though.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jgl on May 27, 2005 at 08:26 PM
I just read it from some other forums.  Is anyone else aware of this problem (or any other problem) with this model?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 29, 2005 at 09:07 PM
My boss got 2 units of Harman Kardon AVR 603 ba yun?  mga 60k ata isa..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jgl on May 29, 2005 at 09:20 PM
Most likely yun na nga model na nakuha nya.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: La_ Payag on May 30, 2005 at 09:34 AM
I just got an AVR 230, and still getting familiar with it...but so far, I would say, "No Regrets!".  8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jgl on May 30, 2005 at 10:25 AM
some responses about the HK 330 (not sure if applicable to the other models too):
1.  AVR "auto shuts down" if blast is too strong, with subs or even just 4 speakers connected.  (i.e. bomb explosions in Incredibles and Terminator 3, etc.)
2.  Using the remote, switching from AVR to DVD control causes a short skip/pause in audio.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on May 30, 2005 at 10:34 AM
I just got an AVR 230, and still getting familiar with it...but so far, I would say, "No Regrets!".  8)

Welcome to pinoydvd La_Payag and welcome to the HK club also. Panalo yang HK 230 mo im using 130 and i may say no regrets din. ENJOY pre.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on May 30, 2005 at 10:41 AM
Quote
some responses about the HK 330 (not sure if applicable to the other models too):
1.  AVR "auto shuts down" if blast is too strong, with subs or even just 4 speakers connected.  (i.e. bomb explosions in Incredibles and Terminator 3, etc.)

how loud was it? what speakers were used? how about ventilation?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jgl on May 30, 2005 at 01:54 PM
bumblebee:
The fan is another issue, it never turns on even when the unit gets hot.  Volume up to around -12db and just using 4 small Kefs.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: La_ Payag on May 30, 2005 at 03:59 PM
Welcome to pinoydvd La_Payag and welcome to the HK club also. Panalo yang HK 230 mo im using 130 and i may say no regrets din. ENJOY pre.

Thanks pareng Kimo...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mcbry on May 30, 2005 at 05:05 PM
some responses about the HK 330 (not sure if applicable to the other models too):
1.  AVR "auto shuts down" if blast is too strong, with subs or even just 4 speakers connected.  (i.e. bomb explosions in Incredibles and Terminator 3, etc.)

never experience this with my hk330.  i have a 5.1 set-up.  i'm using a velodyne sub and never ko na experience yung auto shutdown even sa mga strong blast.  at times, naka set sa -10db yung volume ng hk330 at ok naman. 

try giving the avr a good ventilation.  this might help solve the problem.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: random on May 31, 2005 at 02:23 PM
some responses about the HK 330 (not sure if applicable to the other models too):
1.  AVR "auto shuts down" if blast is too strong, with subs or even just 4 speakers connected.  (i.e. bomb explosions in Incredibles and Terminator 3, etc.)

me too never experience that on my HK330. by the way 7.1 ang setup ko, so far no problem naman since I acquired it last December.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jgl on Jun 01, 2005 at 09:42 AM
thanks for the feedbacks.  Or maybe it depends on other factors as well, and the protection circuit of the HK goes to work.  Encountered the "auto-shutdown" feature yesterday after an explosion in a movie I was watching.  "Protection" would appear in the AVR panel then shutdown.  It somewhat gives some peace that the equipment has protection but sometimes can also be a nuisance since you miss portions of the film and have to restart the unit.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Jun 03, 2005 at 08:53 PM
Welcome to pinoydvd La_Payag and welcome to the HK club also. Panalo yang HK 230 mo im using 130 and i may say no regrets din. ENJOY pre.

kimo.... just curious what speakers are you driving with this amp?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Toquero on Jun 03, 2005 at 11:09 PM
bumblebee:
The fan is another issue, it never turns on even when the unit gets hot.  Volume up to around -12db and just using 4 small Kefs.
Just a thought and for your info. I was once been told by  one of the staff of Beyond innovation's sister company in Megamall during my query on hk avr that there were hk products no model in particular were encountering this problem. It was realized and confirmed by the maker itself that there were lemon products . The problem was identified on the thermal chip circuitry of  the avr. And was advised to return the unit and replace the said circuitry on their factory. For me, it was a though decision for the maker to make such revelation proving that they do value their customers .... Though I myself never confirmed it to them (Beyond Innovations) to be true, but few of my fellow hobbyist who were HK users and of course based on what I've read on other foreign forums, does sometimes make sense...  ???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: DVD-KiD! on Jun 07, 2005 at 05:26 PM
kailan kaya lalabas ang mga bagong models dito ng HK.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: migs26 on Jun 08, 2005 at 08:46 AM
kailan kaya lalabas ang mga bagong models dito ng HK.

i was told by the HK dealer sa megamall that the x35 series would possibly be release next month....abangan !!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: DVD-KiD! on Jun 08, 2005 at 12:26 PM
i was told by the HK dealer sa megamall that the x35 series would possibly be release next month....abangan !!

thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 08, 2005 at 02:43 PM
Hey guys, what do you think?

If you were to choose between AVR 630 and AVR 335, if both are of the same price, which would you choose?

The 335 has an automatic room config like the Yamaha's YPAO, which I believe is important for me because I have an irregular shaped room (one side has a wall and the other doesnt) and this (I believe) would help give me a much better sound. I personally prefer this feature and its the only reason why I considered the 335 despite the low price of the 630.

AVR 630 (75wpc x7) on the other hand, has 32 bit DSP as opposed to 24 bit for AVR 335. I am using Mission M series speakers so I am not sure if the 630 might be more power than I need, but the reviews from the internet sound good. I am confused between the 2. 

TIA ;)


To Bumblebee, Yes, may masama naman uli akong balak.  >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 08, 2005 at 03:42 PM
Hey guys, what do you think?

If you were to choose between AVR 630 and AVR 335, if both are of the same price, which would you choose?

The 335 has an automatic room config like the Yamaha's YPAO, which I believe is important for me (and I personally prefer it too) because I have an irregular shaped room (one side has a wall and the other doesnt) and this (I believe) would help configure my room automatically.

I am using Mission M series speakers so I am not sure if the 630 might be more power than I need, but the reviews from the internet sound good. I am confused between the 2.  TIA


To Bumblebee, Yes, may masama naman uli akong balak.  >:D >:D >:D
i think go for the 630 it got a higher watts than 335 and i think spectra has a promo of 630 at a lower price than before
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 08, 2005 at 04:29 PM
i think go for the 630 it got a higher watts than 335 and i think spectra has a promo of 630 at a lower price than before

Thanks Zakkaz. AVR 630 is on sale in Canada, it will be around the same price as a 335, I still havent confirmed the prices yet. I will ask a friend to buy for me.

52k pa sa spectra, not in my budget.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bhotsingkit on Jun 09, 2005 at 10:09 AM
Greetings!

I have an HK AVR5500. Recently I noticed everytime I turned it on, all my settings are gone. Each time I use it, have to set it back again. One time while I was watching, the volume suddenly went up w/o anybody touching the remote or the knob.

Has anybody here experienced the same? My unit is 2 yrs old. Does anybody knows where is service center of HK?

Please help. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 09, 2005 at 10:30 AM
Recently I noticed everytime I turned it on, all my settings are gone. Each time I use it, have to set it back again. One time while I was watching, the volume suddenly went up w/o anybody touching the remote or the knob.

Baka may multo sa house  ;D

jk
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Jun 09, 2005 at 11:13 AM
Greetings!

I have an HK AVR5500. Recently I noticed everytime I turned it on, all my settings are gone. Each time I use it, have to set it back again. One time while I was watching, the volume suddenly went up w/o anybody touching the remote or the knob.

Has anybody here experienced the same? My unit is 2 yrs old. Does anybody knows where is service center of HK?

Please help. Thanks in advance.

i think there's an internal battery that needs to be replaced. ganyan din sa 5500 ko (tsaka sa 3550 ng kaibigan ko)  pag switch off, pero pag standby lang - ok naman nareretain yung settings

with regards dun sa volume going up - di ko pa naexperience yun
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bhotsingkit on Jun 09, 2005 at 11:17 AM
i think there's an internal battery that needs to be replaced. ganyan din sa 5500 ko (tsaka sa 3550 ng kaibigan ko)  pag switch off, pero pag standby lang - ok naman nareretain yung settings

with regards dun sa volume going up - di ko pa naexperience yun

Thanks Mr Iceman
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 09, 2005 at 01:24 PM
Hey guys, what do you think?

If you were to choose between AVR 630 and AVR 335, if both are of the same price, which would you choose?

The 335 has an automatic room config like the Yamaha's YPAO, which I believe is important for me because I have an irregular shaped room (one side has a wall and the other doesnt) and this (I believe) would help give me a much better sound. I personally prefer this feature and its the only reason why I considered the 335 despite the low price of the 630.

AVR 630 (75wpc x7) on the other hand, has 32 bit DSP as opposed to 24 bit for AVR 335. I am using Mission M series speakers so I am not sure if the 630 might be more power than I need, but the reviews from the internet sound good. I am confused between the 2. 

TIA ;)


To Bumblebee, Yes, may masama naman uli akong balak.  >:D >:D >:D

I suggest not to rely too much on the YPAO. And not all Yamaha models employ paramteric YPAO, according to this site:
http://www.yamaha.ca/av/technology/YPAO.jsp

Have read some forums where users opined this is just an equalizer that will not work for everyone.  In some situations, it still needs some manual intervention for refinement (only if the model has manual override.).  Some users opined it can't equalize on the LF for room modes where it would have been most useful.  And these comments are for their flagship Z9.  I'd imagine the lesser models are more wanting. 

Personally I'd get the HK option.  Having no walls on the other side is more a problem of room symmetry for proper stereo imaging.  Not frequency response abberations in different room accoustics which the YPAO is meant to address.  Equalization is not meant to address weak stereo imaging.  Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gaol on Jun 09, 2005 at 01:47 PM
Hey guys, what do you think?

If you were to choose between AVR 630 and AVR 335, if both are of the same price, which would you choose?

The 335 has an automatic room config like the Yamaha's YPAO, which I believe is important for me because I have an irregular shaped room (one side has a wall and the other doesnt) and this (I believe) would help give me a much better sound. I personally prefer this feature and its the only reason why I considered the 335 despite the low price of the 630.

AVR 630 (75wpc x7) on the other hand, has 32 bit DSP as opposed to 24 bit for AVR 335. I am using Mission M series speakers so I am not sure if the 630 might be more power than I need, but the reviews from the internet sound good. I am confused between the 2. 

TIA ;)


To Bumblebee, Yes, may masama naman uli akong balak.  >:D >:D >:D

If the HK avr 630 is in brand new condition (and with warranty), I would go for that. I assume it has all the latest formats (i.e., dpl2x, etc.) so the only major advantage of the 335 would be the auto setup-calibration (but doesn't the 630 also have this?). I've read somewhere, though, that HKs auto setup is not as good/comprehensive as Yamaha's YPAO, so I wouldn't get the 335 for this over the 630, which gives you more power (and one gets HK for the power!) and presumably more high-end circuitry. Besides, it's only 1 generation older, a closer match for the 335 might be the 430 in the same x30 generation as the 630, given the way technology trickles down to the lower end models with each new series.

 

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 09, 2005 at 03:33 PM
Thanks Zakkaz. AVR 630 is on sale in Canada, it will be around the same price as a 335, I still havent confirmed the prices yet. I will ask a friend to buy for me.

52k pa sa spectra, not in my budget.  :)
if im not mistaken i think it went down below 50k
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 10, 2005 at 10:16 AM
Thanks everyone for your feedbacks. I really appreciate it. I will go for the 630 then. Looks like the best option based on your feedbacks.

I still dont know how my friend will bring in 2 AVR's from Canada (1 for me, 1 for his brother), but I hope he will be able to.


I assume it has all the latest formats (i.e., dpl2x, etc.) so the only major advantage of the 335 would be the auto setup-calibration (but doesn't the 630 also have this?).

It has the latest formats and the 630 only has a SPL meter on its remote, as of what I read. The X35 models from 335 to 635 has the auto room config microphone like the YPAO.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Maestro on Jun 10, 2005 at 10:33 AM
sir MAtzTer,

Parang kailan ko lang nabasa na naka-Yam450 ka, then upgraded to Yam650...now HK.

May galit po ata kayo sa pera?... hehehehehe...

Kakainggit naman.... sana ako din.

Have a nice day!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 10, 2005 at 10:44 AM
Parang kailan ko lang nabasa na naka-Yam450 ka, then upgraded to Yam650...now HK.
May galit po ata kayo sa pera?... hehehehehe...

Naku, nakonsyensya tuloy ako. Hehe. Di naman ako galit sa pera, actually kulang nga sa pera eh  ;D.

But like I said in my old posts " I am a sucker for the word -SALE". I couldnt resist the SALE price of the Yam 650, now I cant resist the SALE of the HK 630.

Cheers bro  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gaol on Jun 10, 2005 at 11:56 AM
Naku, nakonsyensya tuloy ako. Hehe. Di naman ako galit sa pera, actually kulang nga sa pera eh  ;D.

But like I said in my old posts " I am a sucker for the word -SALE". I couldnt resist the SALE price of the Yam 650, now I cant resist the SALE of the HK 630.

Cheers bro  :)

Bro, next time you encounter the word sale, let me know. Para mapalitan din yammy 650 ko ng (parating na) hk 630 mo!  Siyempre presyong pre-owned sale din. he he ;D  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Maestro on Jun 10, 2005 at 01:05 PM
sayang sir...kakabili ko lang 2 months ago ng SR4500... kung alam ko lang, pila na ako sa Yam650 ni Matzter...

sorry OT na po.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: donnie on Jun 12, 2005 at 10:05 AM
need help for my Harman Kardon AVR 20II - sa tuwing  i-o-on ko, pumuputok yung fuse nya. anybody know what the problem is?


don
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Toquero on Jun 12, 2005 at 01:07 PM
need help for my Harman Kardon AVR 20II - sa tuwing  i-o-on ko, pumuputok yung fuse nya. anybody know what the problem is?


don

bro, I'm sorry to hear that but I think maybe your avr's power supply is busted... :(. This usually happens when the fuse shortens. Tanong lang po ano ang kulay ng busted fuse mo... clear ba yung glass o itim. Kung clear yan, the problem is in the power source pero if it is the other way around the problem is in the avr's power supply most probably on the primary side. Be caution not to replace the fuse everytime it get's busted baka lumala lang yung sira niya at baka tumawid sa secondary power supply yan and then sa mainboard na... Better bring it on a proffessional repair shop who specializes on amplifiers and has experience in repairing avrs kasi baka kung umandar iyan at may naiwan na ibang pang sira or leaky electronic parts lalala lang yung sira..... :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Jun 12, 2005 at 02:35 PM
baka shorted yung spkr outputs...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: donnie on Jun 13, 2005 at 07:58 AM
toquero and iceman90a, thanx mga bro, for responding. both your information is very helpful. thanx again.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ASuL on Jun 27, 2005 at 04:52 PM
in one of the review on the avr 130 it says that...

if i plan on connecting component video sources to your to your theater system, i will have to do so directly as the avr 130 does not support component video switching.

what does this mean...thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jgl on Jun 27, 2005 at 09:44 PM
in one of the review on the avr 130 it says that...

if i plan on connecting component video sources to your to your theater system, i will have to do so directly as the avr 130 does not support component video switching.

what does this mean...thanks!

I think what it means is that if you wish to use component cables (Y / B / R), you have to connect it directly from your DVD player to your TV, and not thru the HK130.  I guess this is fine since video would come directly from your dvd player.  On the other hand, you won't be able to see the menu options display of the HK130 on your TV since you bypassed video cable connection to the HK.  I hope that was clear.

A nuisance though with the HK is the auto shut-off protection facility during high wattage output from some movie scenes.  That's my experience, even with the HK330.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ASuL on Jun 28, 2005 at 12:36 PM
ah...ok medyo clear na rin thanks!  follow-up question... lang mga sir...

since tv to dvd connection is direct i wont be able to see the menu option on the tv.  this is ok since wala naman on screen menu yung avr 130.  however, does this mean that if im watching cable tv the avr wouldn't be able to use the avr to enhance the sound.

im medyo partial na and leaning towards the HK130 or 230 (2nd hand) but how do you fix the auto shut off protection of HK.  e mas mataas pa power rating ng 330.

my other alternative is a denon 1905 or yamaha 450/550/650...i hope you can help kahit medyo off topic yung ibang questions.  thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shotgun on Jun 28, 2005 at 02:00 PM
You can definitely use the AVR while watching cable TV. However, you would have to pass it through a VCR and use its audio output for the AVR.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ASuL on Jun 29, 2005 at 02:52 PM
ok..medyo limited na choices ko.  the HK 130 has been short listed. others being marantz sr4500 and yamaha 450/550

going back to the component video switching...

since i will connect the tv to the dvd player...tapos dvd to avr.  does this mean the dvd player should be "turned-on" if i want to enhanced sound while watching cable TV? kasi parang bridge yung video source ko between the TV and AVR  ???

sorry newbie po...

question...meron ba FM tuner ang avr 130
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jun 29, 2005 at 04:29 PM
ok..medyo limited na choices ko.  the HK 130 has been short listed. others being marantz sr4500 and yamaha 450/550

going back to the component video switching...

since i will connect the tv to the dvd player...tapos dvd to avr.  does this mean the dvd player should be "turned-on" if i want to enhanced sound while watching cable TV? kasi parang bridge yung video source ko between the TV and AVR  ???

sorry newbie po...

question...meron ba FM tuner ang avr 130
meron
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 30, 2005 at 10:25 AM

since i will connect the tv to the dvd player...tapos dvd to avr.  does this mean the dvd player should be "turned-on" if i want to enhanced sound while watching cable TV? kasi parang bridge yung video source ko between the TV and AVR  ???


Nope, the cable TV does not go through the DVD player.  You connect the DVD player to the TV for direct component connection (if the receiver has none) which is video,  You connect the DVD player to the AVR for the audio connection for the discs you want to watch.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kemozavi on Jul 25, 2005 at 12:29 AM
Mga sir i need your help i just acquired an avr130 today,, i was using it for playing dvd's,,, concern ko is i have to reach the -15db volume pa before ako actually malakasan sa volume,,, i don't know if it's just me or baka may defect ang nakuha kong unit,,, i think i just expect more power at that volumes,,, by the way i am using Bose speakers po,,, front levels ko po under DTS mode is +5db and +8db sa Center....

One more thing po is my amp does not get hot easily i could finish a whole movie pero kapag hahawakan ko na yung top cover hindi siya masyado mainit (warm lang),,, you think may kinalaman po yun sa volume problem ko?


O.k. lang po ba yung amp ko or should i have it checked na?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jul 25, 2005 at 01:04 AM
There is nothing wrong with your amp.  I usually reach -15db for my 330 if I want to watch  loud.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 27, 2005 at 10:38 AM
Last night, I helped my friend install his HK 635 which I convinced him to buy (from Canada). He was using a Yamaha 1300 and he kept complaining that his audio was not impressive at all.

MAN, that AVR looks so cool (tama si bumblebee)! And it was so heavy too. And the remote's face was all aluminum, grabe sa japorms! walang laban yung Yamaha remote pag tinabi mo.

And the sound was so good, especially for music. It was able to make my friend's Dynaudio Audience 72 sing. Now he is totally impressed with the audio!! And we were playing it right out of the box, we still havent adjusted the settings yet or used the auto room config!

Sayang lang, his bro was not able to find a bargain AVR 630 from Canada for me :'(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Aug 09, 2005 at 12:58 AM
Mga sir i need your help i just acquired an avr130 today,, i was using it for playing dvd's,,, concern ko is i have to reach the -15db volume pa before ako actually malakasan sa volume,,, i don't know if it's just me or baka may defect ang nakuha kong unit,,, i think i just expect more power at that volumes,,, by the way i am using Bose speakers po,,, front levels ko po under DTS mode is +5db and +8db sa Center....

One more thing po is my amp does not get hot easily i could finish a whole movie pero kapag hahawakan ko na yung top cover hindi siya masyado mainit (warm lang),,, you think may kinalaman po yun sa volume problem ko?


O.k. lang po ba yung amp ko or should i have it checked na?

There's no problem with ur AVR, thats normal, im using Hk5500 and usually nasa -11 - -15 ako if i want it loud. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bryan West on Aug 09, 2005 at 01:21 PM
Thanks Zakkaz. AVR 630 is on sale in Canada, it will be around the same price as a 335, I still havent confirmed the prices yet. I will ask a friend to buy for me.

52k pa sa spectra, not in my budget.  :)


Perhaps you try to inquire again at Spectra you will get a better deal for the AVR-630.  Its now on sale...

 
Title: NEW HARMAN RECEIVER
Post by: Bryan West on Aug 09, 2005 at 02:30 PM
Check out guys!   Harman KArdon receiver will be available for release this August. Please inquire about it at your

select dealers now.... 

Models are AVR-135, AVR235, AVR335, AVR435, AVR635, DPR 2005, DPR1005, AVR7300,

HD755 and HK 970 also now available...


ENJOY! :-*


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 09, 2005 at 02:57 PM
Perhaps you try to inquire again at Spectra you will get a better deal for the AVR-630.  Its now on sale...
 

Thanks Bryan West :).

I just inquired, P54k daw, haha, tumaas pa price from the old price na P52k...

HK AVR 635 thru balikbayan box (from Canada) would cost me only P42k.

Sayang, HK630 was only USD500+ in Canada but ran out of stock, probably clearance sale. Oh well :(

Title: Re: NEW HARMAN RECEIVER
Post by: DVD-KiD! on Aug 09, 2005 at 07:36 PM
any idea on the prices of this models? thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: czedryk on Aug 10, 2005 at 10:45 AM
Thanks Bryan West :).

I just inquired, P54k daw, haha, tumaas pa price from the old price na P52k...

HK AVR 635 thru balikbayan box (from Canada) would cost me only P42k.

Sayang, HK630 was only USD500+ in Canada but ran out of stock, probably clearance sale. Oh well :(



Bro,

You can try The HomeTheater...

I bought mine from Mr. Tuazon, try calling him @ 8138443... He usually arrives after lunch

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on Aug 13, 2005 at 06:25 PM
new models of harman kardon avr now available!!! 135, 235, 335
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ESi on Aug 13, 2005 at 07:21 PM
Hi Spectra,

Prices Pls of these new HARMAN AVRs. Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Oloap on Aug 13, 2005 at 07:38 PM

Pls pm the prices of each. No 435 and 635?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ESi on Aug 13, 2005 at 08:02 PM
prices please. Thanks. :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 15, 2005 at 01:59 PM
You can try The HomeTheater...
I bought mine from Mr. Tuazon, try calling him @ 8138443... He usually arrives after lunch

Thanks Czed, I got my AVR 630 from Sonny last week. And man its heavy! Cool lookin AVR with matching cool aluminum remote.

Indeed it sounds good in music. One of the things I first noticed was the awesome BASS that came out of my Mission M34 floorstanders, w/c wasnt there with my previous Yamaha 650. But kinda lacks the details I heard from my previous Yamaha though.

Maybe I just need to tweak it a bit, still havent done the EZset thing. Or maybe I have to use a different wire to enhance the HF in biwiring (using Ixos 6006 for the LF now). Or is it just because the HK is "warm" that I dont hear the details of my "bright" Yamaha?

Any suggestions guys? TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 15, 2005 at 03:14 PM
How about tone controls?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: czedryk on Aug 15, 2005 at 03:33 PM
Thanks Czed, I got my AVR 630 from Sonny last week. And man its heavy! Cool lookin AVR with matching cool aluminum remote.

Indeed it sounds good in music. One of the things I first noticed was the awesome BASS that came out of my Mission M34 floorstanders, w/c wasnt there with my previous Yamaha 650. But kinda lacks the details I heard from my previous Yamaha though.

Maybe I just need to tweak it a bit, still havent done the EZset thing. Or maybe I have to use a different wire to enhance the HF in biwiring (using Ixos 6006 for the LF now). Or is it just because the HK is "warm" that I dont hear the details of my "bright" Yamaha?

Any suggestions guys? TIA

Congratz bro...
VERY HEAVY IT IS!!! (It's around 40lbs) :o

EzSet is just for configuring the volume of each speakers, so I don't think this can be used in enhancing the details... You can try the Tone Controls...

I partnered mine with a pair of B&W 601S3's (which I also bought from Mang Sonny), and it sounds gorgeous... :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on Aug 16, 2005 at 11:46 AM
SRP
avr 135 22990
avr 235 30990
avr 335 36990
avr 435 54990
avr 635 63990
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spetsnatz on Aug 17, 2005 at 11:47 AM
DVD Gurus,
tanong ko lang po.. ano po ung hi-current na sinasabi sa pagsinabing hi-current ung AVR like harman kardon?is it ung current na dino-draw ng avr from supply or ung current ng avr to drive the particular speakers?? Pls shed lights naman mga guru...  ;D
Thanks!!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 17, 2005 at 03:44 PM
DVD Gurus,
tanong ko lang po.. ano po ung hi-current na sinasabi sa pagsinabing hi-current ung AVR like harman kardon?is it ung current na dino-draw ng avr from supply or ung current ng avr to drive the particular speakers?? Pls shed lights naman mga guru...  ;D
Thanks!!!

Both.  Current is what drives the speakers.  So if the power supply is anemic, the AVR can't draw the needed current from the power supply to drive the speakers.  The term "High current" is really a recent marketing linggo to distinguish receivers and amps that faithfully follow FCC regulations for benchmarking amplifier power versus those new japanese gears that do a lot of short cuts to attract buyers, like benchmarking using just 1kz with one channel driven at a time, even using short-term signal bursts.  You can extract impressive wattage figures from that.

In addition, "High current" also refers to the amp's ability to handle low impedance speaker loads because its power supply has enough muscle to supply the current when the load falls (assuming the amp behaves as a costant voltage source which it should).  Take note that across the audible frequency spectrum that a speaker delivers, not all frequencies will load the amp equally.  Many freqeuncies will result in speakers load dips down to even 2 ohms.  During these times, an amp with anemic power supply will not be able to draw the current  needed to drive the speaker at that frequency with the same power as the rest.  So you may not hear that frequency well enough. 

Amps really should be high current to begin with at the very least. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spetsnatz on Aug 19, 2005 at 06:47 AM
av_phile,
very well said.. thanks!!! though i do still have a question, which is difficult to drive, the 4ohms or is it 8 ohms impedance?? parang pagkaintidi ko kasi sa cnabi nyo po... mahirap lalo i-drive ung 4ohms.. correct me if im wrong..
 thanks!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jgl on Aug 19, 2005 at 06:59 AM
bakit nga ba meron iba ibang impedance ang speakers, performance and sound quality options ba?  why not just one? :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 22, 2005 at 03:48 PM
av_phile,
very well said.. thanks!!! though i do still have a question, which is difficult to drive, the 4ohms or is it 8 ohms impedance?? parang pagkaintidi ko kasi sa cnabi nyo po... mahirap lalo i-drive ung 4ohms.. correct me if im wrong..
 thanks!!

Yup, the SS amp will have greater difficulty driving 4 ohm speakers loads, with all things equal.  There are 2-ohm speakers than require really powerful amps.    The lower the load, the closer it is to a shorted condition.  We all know what a shorted condition at the amp's speaker terminal can do to that amp.    There are other types of amp loading that can make it diffficult to drive, like speakers with wide impedance swings within the audible spectrum, from 1 ohm at certain freqeuncies to as much 40 ohms in others.  That's a really difficult load for most comercial amps.  The easiest speakers are those that can have the most consistent impedance across different frequencies, like staying close to within + or - 3 ohms from rated impedance.  Most commercial speakers behave that way.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 22, 2005 at 04:03 PM
Indeed it sounds good in music. One of the things I first noticed was the awesome BASS that came out of my Mission M34 floorstanders, w/c wasnt there with my previous Yamaha 650. But kinda lacks the details I heard from my previous Yamaha though.

Maybe I just need to tweak it a bit, still havent done the EZset thing. Or maybe I have to use a different wire to enhance the HF in biwiring (using Ixos 6006 for the LF now). Or is it just because the HK is "warm" that I dont hear the details of my "bright" Yamaha?

Gee :-\, I found out that I just forgot to tweak the delay distance. It was all set to 3.8 meters and I was only like 2 meters away from the speakers.

Now the HK sounds so good, specially for audio. I have never heard my speakers sing like that before. Even my M72 bookshelf speakers sounded big.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 22, 2005 at 04:30 PM
bakit nga ba meron iba ibang impedance ang speakers, performance and sound quality options ba?  why not just one? :)

Good question,  Bakit nga ba.  I think it has something to do with common practice in different areas.  Those car amps and speakers are 4 ohm gears, those home systems are more commonly 8 ohms.   And I think we just inherited those two most commonly specified speaker impedances today.   These days there are even compromises, like 6-ohm speakers.   ;D

4-ohm loads generally extract the most power as economically as possible.  Provided ofcourse that the amplifier drivng them is designed to handle that load.  This is common is car sound systems which are designed with the objective to get the most power from small amps powered by limited car batteries.  Pressumably no such restrictions exist at home, so you can have higher impedance loads.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shotgun on Aug 22, 2005 at 04:37 PM
Yeah.. I used to run my car amps at 1 ohm and get a lot more power for my subs :P

Some reference car amps even run on less than 1 ohm...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr - Matching
Post by: LETOR on Aug 22, 2005 at 09:11 PM
Sa naka experience ng H/K AVR, kamusta ang performance ng HK with Wharfedale Diamond 8.3 speakers. How would you compare the performance with Denon AVR + Wharfedale D8.3? With respect to home theater performance and music listening. Thanks in advance for any info.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fweyd on Aug 22, 2005 at 11:09 PM
Good question,  Bakit nga ba.  I think it has something to do with common practice in different areas.  Those car amps and speakers are 4 ohm gears, those home systems are more commonly 8 ohms.   And I think we just inherited those two most commonly specified speaker impedances today.   These days there are even compromises, like 6-ohm speakers.   ;D

4-ohm loads generally extract the most power as economically as possible.  Provided ofcourse that the amplifier drivng them is designed to handle that load.  This is common is car sound systems which are designed with the objective to get the most power from small amps powered by limited car batteries.  Pressumably no such restrictions exist at home, so you can have higher impedance loads.  Just a thought.

I have this 15" JL Audio sub from my brothers car... pwede ko kaya kabit sa Yamaha AV/R toh ? RXV-490 po ung model.. kakatakot kasi baka sumabog ung AVR @_@
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kt on Aug 23, 2005 at 11:24 AM
meron po ba hk avr under 20t? ???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zxcvbnm on Aug 23, 2005 at 11:26 AM
HK 130. 17+k. Try Digital Dreams kung merong pang stocks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kt on Aug 23, 2005 at 01:02 PM
ano po specs ng hk130? tnx
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zxcvbnm on Aug 23, 2005 at 01:06 PM
ano po specs ng hk130? tnx

5.1, DD/DTS/PL2
50W x 2
45W (or 40?) x 5, 20Hz-20kHz, all channels driven
"high current"
540W power consumption
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kt on Aug 23, 2005 at 01:48 PM
tnx bro zxcvbnm.

di po ba medyo mahina power output nun?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: allvin_98 on Aug 23, 2005 at 02:22 PM
hey kt, check this out  ;D

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=40139.0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 23, 2005 at 02:38 PM
di po ba medyo mahina power output nun?

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45W (or 40?) x 5, 20Hz-20kHz, all channels driven
"high current"
540W power consumption

Its all channels driven.

My old 7.1 Yamaha 650 @95wpc had 440w power consumption only.

The 5.1 HK 130 @ 45wpc has 540w power consumption. The 7.1 HK630 @ 75 wpc consumes 1100 watts

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kt on Aug 23, 2005 at 02:47 PM
hehe sori guys di ko kabisado mga techicals nun eh...pa explain naman po! hehe ???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: synchro_01 on Aug 23, 2005 at 02:48 PM
HK avr's are conservatively rated.  it may be indicated on paper that it has 45 watts per channel but if you bench test the unit or in actual real world usage you may yield an output of 90 watts.  The other HK owners can attest to this.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 23, 2005 at 03:07 PM
hehe sori guys di ko kabisado mga techicals nun eh...pa explain naman po! hehe ???

It means you cannot do 95W x 7 if you only consume 440W. Conservatively rated receivers like the HK are rated w/ all channels driven at full bandwidth (20Hz-20kHz) so when you see 45W x 5, you get 45W x 5 or even more.

But don't let this deter you from considering other receivers. Power is just one of the many factors to consider in purchasing one. Most important of all is that you like what you're hearing.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kt on Aug 23, 2005 at 05:46 PM
ah...ganun po pala yun...tnx for the help guys....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Aug 23, 2005 at 07:50 PM
HK avr's are conservatively rated.  it may be indicated on paper that it has 45 watts per channel but if you bench test the unit or in actual real world usage you may yield an output of 90 watts.  The other HK owners can attest to this.

Very true! Im a proud owner of HK.. all I can say is, WHEW! Galing!  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lashee on Aug 24, 2005 at 02:08 AM
Guys, pasensya na, tanong ko lang ang mga negative feedbacks ang HKs? May nagsabi kasi sa akin na sirain daw mga units dito, sobra maginit, and also poor daw ng after sales service. Please clarify me on these issues. Am considering kasi the HK335. Pero dahil sa info na ito, medyo 2 isip ako.  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Aug 24, 2005 at 08:54 AM
maiinit kc high power.

i don't know yet if after sales support is poor, kc nde pa nasisira yung akin! ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Jairus on Aug 24, 2005 at 09:52 AM
I've had my 3550 for more than two years and I've never had problems.  The HKs are indeedconservatively rated.  At normal viewing/listening levels (especially on DTS), I seldom go beyond the -20db mark because its already quite loud.  Max volume level can go up to +10db with another +10db reserve power.  It easily drives the low-sensitivity wharfs...and what a combination ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Aug 24, 2005 at 11:46 AM
nasira HK 130 ko before dahil nag loose yung RCA, the cable tip is too tight, pina repair ko and no problem whatsover no question asked.  Suggest ko if you want to buy HK AVR sa Archi audio na lang ok after sales service nila.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Aug 24, 2005 at 09:44 PM
maiinit kc high power.

i don't know yet if after sales support is poor, kc nde pa nasisira yung akin! ;D

hehehe..mainit nga, pero parang diesel habang umiinit gumaganda takbo... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Aug 24, 2005 at 09:58 PM
ok yan! ;D

hehehe..mainit nga, pero parang diesel habang umiinit gumaganda takbo... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lashee on Aug 24, 2005 at 11:07 PM
thanks for the replies.
KimosabE, san po yun archi audio? contact #?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ESi on Aug 24, 2005 at 11:43 PM
thanks for the replies.
KimosabE, san po yun archi audio? contact #?

Architectural Audio at Greenbelt 1 near odyssey. You can text epoy at 09178503548 ;D Very accomodating person!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lashee on Aug 24, 2005 at 11:58 PM
Thanks sir!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Aug 25, 2005 at 11:10 AM
thanks for the replies.
KimosabE, san po yun archi audio? contact #?
you can also try spectra at parksquare 1 8185493
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Aug 29, 2005 at 02:17 PM
mga sir,

ok na po ba ang HK130 to power a set of diamond 8.4 for audio. di ba mabibitin sa power ito, considering 50wpc lang sya?

TIA  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 29, 2005 at 03:02 PM
 I  saw a review of a Denon 3805 in  Audioholics (click here) (http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/Denon-AVR3805_review04.php) being bi-amped by using the room 2/ area 2 amplifier of the Denon and using it as a 2nd amp for bi-amping purposes.

Kaya kaya sa HK to? HK does the same thing, using the 6th & 7th channel for a room 2 amplifier. and with its all channels driven power, it could give ample power as a 2nd amp.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: macks75 on Sep 06, 2005 at 09:18 PM
i'm about to get an HK 235 the price is 26th is this a good deal ?
i'm going to power it on a B&W 6 series fronts LCR6 on Center and 302 rear

Match ba siya

need feedbacks

thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Sep 07, 2005 at 12:20 AM
Im using HK 330 with B&W 600 speakers. Its a good match.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 07, 2005 at 09:34 AM
I  saw a review of a Denon 3805 in  Audioholics (click here) (http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/Denon-AVR3805_review04.php) being bi-amped by using the room 2/ area 2 amplifier of the Denon and using it as a 2nd amp for bi-amping purposes.

Kaya kaya sa HK to? HK does the same thing, using the 6th & 7th channel for a room 2 amplifier. and with its all channels driven power, it could give ample power as a 2nd amp.


The setup described is essentially bi-wiring using two separate power amps.  Not true bi-amping. Because you'd still be using the same speaker crossovers, not a preamp level electronic crossover.    If the HK has preouts and a separate input jacks for zone 2, and has a 6th and 7th speaker termnal for zone 2, then you can.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Sep 07, 2005 at 11:02 AM
i'm about to get an HK 235 the price is 26th is this a good deal ?
My boss was able to get the AVR 235 for only P24,800... of course maybe he got a discount for being a suki, but it's something to think about...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 07, 2005 at 02:18 PM
If the HK has preouts and a separate input jacks for zone 2, and has a 6th and 7th speaker termnal for zone 2, then you can.

Sir AV, the HK's 6th & 7th channel is assignable as zone 2 speakers with a few setting adjustments, its got pre-outs as well. And I do believe its got a separate input jack for zone 2. I will check again and will post again regarding this.

Thanks sir  :)!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ASuL on Sep 07, 2005 at 03:36 PM
how much na yung...135?

no time to shop around this weekend
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Sep 07, 2005 at 04:08 PM
Last I checked (oh, a few days ago) at Spectra it was 19k++. You might be able to get it from Architectural Audio for just slightly lower than that. Do note that stocks come and go quickly at both shops...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: macks75 on Sep 11, 2005 at 10:46 PM
just got my hk at architectual audio

thanks for the great service

 ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 12, 2005 at 04:46 PM
just got my hk at architectual audio

thanks for the great service

 ;D

Congrats, excellent choice.  Happy listening and viewing.   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Sep 13, 2005 at 08:34 AM
Is it true that most HK receivers are "sirain" according to one of the owner of an A/V shop, marami daw bumabalik na HK sa kanya for service.

How about heat issues?
Any comments?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Sep 13, 2005 at 08:53 AM
untrue! ;D

heat is not a problem with mine. i believe the latest model with 7ch amp inside has provision for ventilation.

Is it true that most HK receivers are "sirain" according to one of the owner of an A/V shop, marami daw bumabalik na HK sa kanya for service.

How about heat issues?
Any comments?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: macks75 on Sep 13, 2005 at 09:09 AM
baka yung dealer na yun mas prefer niya ibang brand  :o

my opinion lang po
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on Sep 13, 2005 at 09:38 AM
Had own two HK AVR's 5500 & 2550 and didn't got any problem. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 13, 2005 at 01:14 PM
Is it true that most HK receivers are "sirain" according to one of the owner of an A/V shop, marami daw bumabalik na HK sa kanya for service.

Alam ko yata kung anong AV store yan ah... I was told that same thing  ::)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Sep 13, 2005 at 01:18 PM
Alam ko yata kung anong AV store yan ah... I was told that same thing  ::)

ser Matzter, totoo kaya yun na maraming bumabalik sa kanya for service  ???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 13, 2005 at 01:46 PM
Di naman siguro. Most members have affirmed naman that they dont experience it, so to me thats good enough.

No problems so far with my 1 month old HK ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: uvax on Sep 14, 2005 at 08:27 AM
After reading the comments here I finally took the plunge and bought an AVR-135.

Can't wait for the weekend so I can hook everything up and enjoy it. Question for anyone who has this model paired with a Philips Pixel Plus. I'm kinda worried if the glass shelving of the dedicated pixel plus stand can take the weight of the AVR. The AVR is kinda hefty. Anyone have any experience on this?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Sep 14, 2005 at 08:47 AM
Bro uvax, congrats on your new receiver!

how much was the damage for the 135?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: garee on Sep 14, 2005 at 12:50 PM
i think abenson at sm-cyberzone have the hk135 (P22,900) package with jbl 5.1 speaker system (P22,900)  for 36,+++ 0% for 12 months
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: CeeV on Sep 14, 2005 at 02:07 PM
 ??? I thought HK135 is a 6.1 na? so kung package sya sa jbl5.1 di ba nde sya match sayang yung new feature nya to get that 6.1 effect?  They should have paired it na lang sa HK130.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Sep 14, 2005 at 07:35 PM
True, but the AVR 135 was meant to replace the AVR 130 anyway. In any case, when using 5 speakers (2 surrounds) on a 6.1 capable amp, then I pretty sure it'll just 'phantom' the rear center speaker (distribute the rear center channel evenly to the rear left & right speakers) when listening to material encoded with 6.1 audio.

Finally, you can get the AVR 135 cheaper elsewhere besides Abenson. (And you can setup a 5.1 speaker system that might be better than the JBL set for a little less than or around their 23k retail price tag.)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 15, 2005 at 04:41 PM
(And you can setup a 5.1 speaker system that might be better than the JBL set for a little less than or around their 23k retail price tag.)

I agree but I have set up a JBL SCS260.6 for a friend and its not bad for its price, subs included being the consideration.

For HT use it would be good enough for its price, considering the 100w subs are powerful enough (same sub used for the smaller SCS200.5 model P18k).

But for audio, maybe there are better.

Just my 2 cents though  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Sep 18, 2005 at 10:27 PM
Hi fellow AVR330 owners.

May nasiraan na ba sa inyo ng AVR330?  How do you maintain it?  Vacuum ba?  My unit is pushing 17 mos na po, and aside from the occasional protect mode from damn speaker wiring...eh, this damn unit is pretty much amazing. 

I just dropped by kasi, napadaan ako ulit sa isang appliance store kanina...he he, and then I saw a HK now being sold sa SM / Abenson stores..... (yeah, I've been under a rock for quite a while...he he he) and was surprised kasi akala ko AVR330 yung binebenta...yun pala AVR135...he he he
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: macks75 on Sep 18, 2005 at 10:40 PM
guys pls help,
i have an avr-235 when i plug my S-video cable sa monitor out
nag flicker yung OSD niya what seems to be the problem

but when i use the same cable direct from my DVD to TV ok naman siya

 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Sep 19, 2005 at 12:08 AM
baka naka PAL parin OSD screen mo...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: macks75 on Sep 19, 2005 at 08:52 AM
how to change ?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Sep 19, 2005 at 10:50 AM
Well, there is a remote button sequence.... but I forgot.  Jim of Spectra showed it to me when I bought my AVR330 but clearly I've not used it.  (And having a TV that switches between PAL: and NTSC flawlessly is an added bonus.)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietro on Sep 20, 2005 at 11:12 AM
not sure if this will work, but try pressing the OSD button for a few seconds.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Sep 22, 2005 at 09:56 AM
not sure if this will work, but try pressing the OSD button for a few seconds.  :)

if the 235 is similar to 230 ( i mean function-wise), then this should do the trick!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Sep 28, 2005 at 11:45 AM
Gud day to All!!... I'm new here, and wud like to seek some advice/comments/suggestions.... I'm going to purchase avr235/infinity primus 360 at acoustical space in megamall for 45K package (stereo setup only)... Is this in a good price range??.... thanks...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Sep 28, 2005 at 11:55 AM
Gud day to All!!... I'm new here, and wud like to seek some advice/comments/suggestions.... I'm going to purchase avr235/infinity primus 360 at acoustical space in megamall for 45K package (stereo setup only)... Is this in a good price range??.... thanks...
Considering that the AVR 235 is about 24-25t, then that means you're getting the Infinity's for roughly 20t a pair. I'd say that's about right - though, have you try comparing prices at other shops (like Architectural Audio in Greenbelt)?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Sep 28, 2005 at 12:38 PM
The truth is, im a beginner in digital world and i wud say im not familiar with some dealers and i commonly stroll at megamall & glorietta places only. But unfortunately, i already hav a reservation pay at that showroom so i cant pull out myself to them anymore, but anyway once i already hav a budget for completion of my set up, i'll be looking again some dealers with lower prices on their units..... but for your opinion, is this ok?.... or am i got myself an expensive one??... one thing more, how do you rate HK? for speaker, it doest matter, i hav a low cost budget and i cant affort to buy such as B&Ws or Bose, etc.... thank you very much...

ps... pls send me a landline for archie audio at greenbelt... du u hav... thanks again...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Sep 28, 2005 at 12:42 PM
question po for HK user.. how can u customize yung station channel ng hk avr (ex. 92.3 -JOEY) sa screen?
yung 92.3 kasi sa avr ko after 5 or 10 secs nakalagay JOEY na eh...gusto ko sana gawin sa lahat ng station...thanks in advance.. tinatamad kasi ako basahin yung encyclopedia ..este manual pala... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Sep 28, 2005 at 01:55 PM
but for your opinion, is this ok?.... or am i got myself an expensive one??...
I think you're getting a fair enough deal - that is, you're not getting ripped off or anything.
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one thing more, how do you rate HK? for speaker, it doest matter, i hav a low cost budget and i cant affort to buy such as B&Ws or Bose, etc....
HK is widely respected in audio. Personally, I like the minimalist styling of their current line of AVRs. Performance-wise, I can't say I've had enough experience listening to other manufacturer's equipment but overall I'm pretty satisfied with my HK (AVR 130). The power is more than enough for a small room (even when driving my 6ohm Wharfedales with only 86dB sensitivity). I'd say musically it's refined, not too much of that 'oomph' factor which makes is less suited for rock or party music, but makes listening to jazz/vocals sweet!

Oh and whatever you do, don't get Bose (http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html)! You're already better off with your Infinity's.

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ps... pls send me a landline for archie audio at greenbelt... du u hav... thanks again...
Got it from this thread (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=3884.0): 811-6715
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 28, 2005 at 01:58 PM
Gud day to All!!... I'm new here, and wud like to seek some advice/comments/suggestions.... I'm going to purchase avr235/infinity primus 360 at acoustical space in megamall for 45K package (stereo setup only)... Is this in a good price range??.... thanks...

Have you tried the HK w/ the AE Evo 3? Acoustical Space carries this too.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Sep 28, 2005 at 02:11 PM
question po for HK user.. how can u customize yung station channel ng hk avr (ex. 92.3 -JOEY) sa screen?
yung 92.3 kasi sa avr ko after 5 or 10 secs nakalagay JOEY na eh...gusto ko sana gawin sa lahat ng station...thanks in advance.. tinatamad kasi ako basahin yung encyclopedia ..este manual pala... ;D
Heheheh... if you did read the manual you'dve learned that that "92.3 - JOEY" is thanks to a function called RDS or Radio Data System, a system where additional data is sent over the airwaves. This data may include station identification, format (e.g., music, news, traffic bulletins), genre (e.g., jazz, easy listening, rock) or even content such as song titles and artist info. It's quite common in Europe and in the States, but here only one other station aside from 92.3 "JOEY" broadcasts RDS (I forgot which).

In other words, it's only there if the radio station provides it - your receiver just automatically picks it up if it's there. You can't really program it - though, you can select what information to show (if it's there) and you can supposedly use RDS to 'surf' by genre (but then again, with only two stations it's really not very useful).

Tough living in a 3rd world country where radio stations don't have RDS and TV/cable channels don't have closed-captioning. :p
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Sep 28, 2005 at 02:30 PM
Heheheh... if you did read the manual you'dve learned that that "92.3 - JOEY" is thanks to a function called RDS or Radio Data System, a system where additional data is sent over the airwaves. This data may include station identification, format (e.g., music, news, traffic bulletins), genre (e.g., jazz, easy listening, rock) or even content such as song titles and artist info. It's quite common in Europe and in the States, but here only one other station aside from 92.3 "JOEY" broadcasts RDS (I forgot which).

In other words, it's only there if the radio station provides it - your receiver just automatically picks it up if it's there. You can't really program it - though, you can select what information to show (if it's there) and you can supposedly use RDS to 'surf' by genre (but then again, with only two stations it's really not very useful).

Tough living in a 3rd world country where radio stations don't have RDS and TV/cable channels don't have closed-captioning. :p

wow! ganon pala yon! kala ko sa AVR yon...anyway, thanks bro for enlightening  :-*.ok talaga dito sa pinoy..info is everywhere!  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 28, 2005 at 02:46 PM
Oh and whatever you do, don't get Bose (http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html)! You're already better off with your Infinity's.

AMEN!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 28, 2005 at 02:51 PM
Heheheh... if you did read the manual you'dve learned that that "92.3 - JOEY" is thanks to a function called RDS or Radio Data System, a system where additional data is sent over the airwaves. This data may include station identification, format (e.g., music, news, traffic bulletins), genre (e.g., jazz, easy listening, rock) or even content such as song titles and artist info. It's quite common in Europe and in the States, but here only one other station aside from 92.3 "JOEY" broadcasts RDS (I forgot which).

In other words, it's only there if the radio station provides it - your receiver just automatically picks it up if it's there. You can't really program it - though, you can select what information to show (if it's there) and you can supposedly use RDS to 'surf' by genre (but then again, with only two stations it's really not very useful).

Tough living in a 3rd world country where radio stations don't have RDS and TV/cable channels don't have closed-captioning. :p

Hmm, the last time I was tinkering with the radio stations w/ my HK, I saw more than 2 stations having their RDS name posted, but I may be wrong, will check again soon.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Sep 28, 2005 at 03:14 PM
To Alistair - thank you very much for the info & concern.. hav a nice day....

To bumblebee - AE is more expensive than primus360... cant afford it by now.... any speaker suggestion?? yung medyo cheaper ha... thanks in advance...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Sep 28, 2005 at 03:15 PM
To Alistair - thank you very much for the info & concern.. hav a nice day....

To bumblebee - AE is more expensive than primus360... cant afford it by now.... any speaker suggestion?? yung medyo cheaper ha... thanks in advance...

go for wharfs  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 28, 2005 at 03:23 PM
To bumblebee - AE is more expensive than primus360... cant afford it by now.... any speaker suggestion?? yung medyo cheaper ha... thanks in advance...

Go to Architectural Audio in Greenbelt 1 and Spectra in Park Square 1. Dami speakers dun. Both carry HK's.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Sep 28, 2005 at 03:54 PM
galing na din me spectra... hirap tumawad dun, parang ang suplado nung dealer, they are not approchable to me.... try me na lang sa archie audio... mdmi slmat!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 28, 2005 at 04:01 PM
To Alistair - thank you very much for the info & concern.. hav a nice day....

To bumblebee - AE is more expensive than primus360... cant afford it by now.... any speaker suggestion?? yung medyo cheaper ha... thanks in advance...

Try HK and Mission combo, I am very happy with mine.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 28, 2005 at 04:02 PM
galing na din me spectra... hirap tumawad dun, parang ang suplado nung dealer, they are not approchable to me.... try me na lang sa archie audio... mdmi slmat!!

Maybe it's because their prices are already discounted.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Sep 28, 2005 at 04:19 PM
i've already called up archie audio, medyo mahal konti ung bigay nila, i tried to ask some discounts but their cash price is fixed for the amount, as a conclusion, 45k is a good deal... at archie audio, mas mahal ng hundreds lang naman.... pero cheaper ng konti sa kanila ung JBL E150 & E250 subs... compare to acoustic space.... maybe sa archie audio na lang me bili ng subs....

To Maltzer -  what's your spk model & how much... pls give some info..... thanks in advance & more power...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Sep 28, 2005 at 04:23 PM
ERRATUM: MatZter!!! sori po!!!...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: macks75 on Sep 28, 2005 at 04:40 PM
ok na nagawa ko na press the osd for 5 sec
thanks pinoy DVD again hehe





guys pls help,
i have an avr-235 when i plug my S-video cable sa monitor out
nag flicker yung OSD niya what seems to be the problem

but when i use the same cable direct from my DVD to TV ok naman siya
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 29, 2005 at 10:26 AM
To Maltzer -  what's your spk model & how much... pls give some info..... thanks in advance & more power...

Hehe,my handle sounded like a new  alchoholic drink or something.

I have both the M72 bookshelf (older model) and a M34 floorstander. You can get a M32 bookshelf  for P12k a pair I think. The floorstander, last I saw was P22500. Sounds great with a HK receiver. Price is not so bad either
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Sep 29, 2005 at 10:39 AM
Heheheh... if you did read the manual you'dve learned that that "92.3 - JOEY" is thanks to a function called RDS or Radio Data System, a system where additional data is sent over the airwaves. This data may include station identification, format (e.g., music, news, traffic bulletins), genre (e.g., jazz, easy listening, rock) or even content such as song titles and artist info. It's quite common in Europe and in the States, but here only one other station aside from 92.3 "JOEY" broadcasts RDS (I forgot which).

In other words, it's only there if the radio station provides it - your receiver just automatically picks it up if it's there. You can't really program it - though, you can select what information to show (if it's there) and you can supposedly use RDS to 'surf' by genre (but then again, with only two stations it's really not very useful).

Tough living in a 3rd world country where radio stations don't have RDS and TV/cable channels don't have closed-captioning. :p

Cheked this last evening and your right sir! Pag nasa 92.3 sya naka ilaw yung RDS...and check other stations wala sila...  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 29, 2005 at 10:42 AM
Cheked this last evening and your right sir! Pag nasa 92.3 sya naka ilaw yung RDS...and check other stations wala sila...  :D

I checked this last night and I cant get the reception of 92.3 joey ;D. I need to move the antenae. But tama, other stations dont have RDS
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Sep 29, 2005 at 10:43 AM
I checked this last night and I cant get the reception of 92.3 joey ;D. I need to move the antenae. But tama, other stations dont have RDS

sit Matzer, ano gamit nyong antenae?  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 29, 2005 at 11:04 AM
Just the default antenae that came with the HK unit
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Sep 29, 2005 at 11:09 AM
Just the default antenae that came with the HK unit

ah ok..thanks

gamit ko kasi rabbit antenae lang pero kuha na nya lahat ng station...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Sep 29, 2005 at 11:19 AM
Crossover (105.1MHz), RDS din yata! :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 29, 2005 at 11:32 AM
Crossover (105.1MHz), RDS din yata! :)

Yes! yan din! I forgot kasi which other station had a RDS
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Oct 04, 2005 at 08:25 AM
Cheked this last evening and your right sir! Pag nasa 92.3 sya naka ilaw yung RDS...and check other stations wala sila...  :D

checked again my receiver last night and found out that 106.7 Dream FM is also RDS ... ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 10, 2005 at 12:11 PM
I kept switching from my floorstander to my bookshelf last night as I was trying to listen to difference between the 2.

How I wish HK made a speaker A & B terminal  ::)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 10, 2005 at 12:17 PM
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How I wish HK made a speaker A & B terminal 

a simple break-out box, with a dpdt switch ought to do it! you can ask your electrical tech do this for you!

common side will feed fromt the avr and either side will go to your 2 speaker systems!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 10, 2005 at 04:51 PM
a simple break-out box, with a dpdt switch ought to do it! you can ask your electrical tech do this for you!

common side will feed fromt the avr and either side will go to your 2 speaker systems!

Thanks sir for the info, will ask an electrician later.  I hope you dont mind a few more questions :) :

How about signal loss? Will there be a loss of sound quality? Should I use my cables for its internal wiring to prevent any loss?

Will the design you mentioned above do a speaker A mode, or speaker B mode or speaker A+B mode?

TIA sir 2ny  8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Oct 10, 2005 at 05:00 PM
definitely there will be loss! ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 10, 2005 at 05:24 PM
definitely there will be loss! ;D

yes, maybe 500 bucks on parts and labor! ;D
you need not make the wirings longer, about half meter from your avr, you can locate the box just so you can fiddle with the toggle, and the regular speaker wires connect to the box. this is a no brainer setup!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 10, 2005 at 05:40 PM
yes, maybe 500 bucks on parts and labor! ;D
you need not make the wirings longer, about half meter from your avr, you can locate the box just so you can fiddle with the toggle, and the regular speaker wires connect to the box. this is a no brainer setup!

Sir, what about branded wires as opposed to regular wires? How do we handle this? Another complication is bi-wiring  ;D.

I just finished talking to our electrician. He says it can be done, A or B & A+B mode. There are double pole double throw switches in Raon for electronic use and there are even remote control variants. Interesting....

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 10, 2005 at 05:47 PM
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Sir, what about branded wires as opposed to regular wires? How do we handle this? Another complication is bi-wiring  .

it's your call, makes no difference to me but a flat cable, 14gage is enough.
think of the box as the behinds of your avr ergo you can do with the box what you want to do with your avr, only this time your avr has two sets of speaker jacks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jgl on Oct 10, 2005 at 07:09 PM
need some help guys with my AVR330.  Seems the remote volume buttons won't respond.  Hassle because of this I have to stand to adjust the volume.  Is there a way to reset the remote?  I'm hoping it will solve the problem.  I tried the Input Selector and "0" but it won't work (i.e. the EZ set button won't flash green).  Any help?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Oct 10, 2005 at 07:28 PM
How long have you had your AVR? Are you sure the remote volume buttons aren't responding properly? Umm... don't take offense but some people forget that you have to press the "AVR" button after pressing an input selector button before they can adjust the volume...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jgl on Oct 10, 2005 at 08:34 PM
Thanks Alistair.  I've done that.  (I have Optical for Vid 2, and component cables to TV.  Don't know if this has a connection to the problem.)   I select Vid 2 (it lights Red briefly), then AVR (it lights Red briefly), then Volume keys, it functions like its changing the surround options.  I also noticed that upon turning it on, it briefly displays UNLOCK.  Might have some connection?  Also, I cant reset the remote with the Input selector and "0" combinatio.  The Program/SPL Indicator is supposed to light Green but it doesn't.   Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Oct 11, 2005 at 12:20 PM
Whoa. I just checked the manual and yeah, pressing '0' and one of the input selectors simultaneously should begin the remote reset sequence. So after doing that and pressing '3' three times, you're saying the Program/SPL indicator simply remains amber? Sorry dude, but in your shoes I'd think that my best bet would be to take it to the nearest service center and have them check it out.

Or, if you are well-known enough at a nearby audio shop carrying HK receivers try bringing your remote over and testing your remote with their (known good) receivers. Better yet, if you have a friend with another HK try borrowing his (known good) remote and testing it out with your receiver. This way you can isolate whether it's really the remote, or (worse) your receiver. I wonder if there's a way to reset the receiver as well (wala lang, just thinking of anything that might help)?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 11, 2005 at 04:41 PM
yes, maybe 500 bucks on parts and labor! ;D
you need not make the wirings longer, about half meter from your avr, you can locate the box just so you can fiddle with the toggle, and the regular speaker wires connect to the box. this is a no brainer setup!

I just came from Phasetron Park Square and they were selling a nifty little box that does this A & B switching. With 5 sets of binding posts, 2 switches in a plastic box.

Its P1,500.00.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 19, 2005 at 05:54 PM
To All... need some info.... is there any possible effect in sound quality when you're using ordinary speaker cables???... BTW, im using HK235/primus 360 (stereo only)... my set up is not yet complete due to budget concern... bumili lang me ng ondinary (awg#14) transparent spk wire sa harware.... meron ba special wire kau gamit??.... kung ordinary wire, dapat b copper material or any??.... pansin ko lang kasi yung effect or maybe may problem sa set up ko.... (matching or any??).... thanks in advance!!!!

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Oct 19, 2005 at 09:28 PM
To All... need some info.... is there any possible effect in sound quality when you're using ordinary speaker cables???... BTW, im using HK235/primus 360 (stereo only)... my set up is not yet complete due to budget concern... bumili lang me ng ondinary (awg#14) transparent spk wire sa harware.... meron ba special wire kau gamit??.... kung ordinary wire, dapat b copper material or any??.... pansin ko lang kasi yung effect or maybe may problem sa set up ko.... (matching or any??).... thanks in advance!!!!



Hi jhunB. Ano yung napansin mong effect?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 20, 2005 at 10:44 AM
Speaker cables are the least of my concerns.  Long or short, I just use a good 10-12 gauge oxygen free copper cables and forget about it. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 20, 2005 at 04:34 PM
for distances of not more than 5meters, i use ordinary 14gage flatcord!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Oct 24, 2005 at 02:11 PM
ok ba yung hk135 sa b&w dm303 fo ht use and audio? tsaka yung combi na rx-v440 at b&w dm 303? meron ba sa inyo n may ganitong set-up? paki share naman po experience nyo...tnx.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ASuL on Oct 25, 2005 at 01:58 PM
quite happy with my 9.1 and x440  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Oct 25, 2005 at 02:05 PM
ok ba yung hk135 sa b&w dm303 fo ht use and audio? tsaka yung combi na rx-v440 at b&w dm 303? meron ba sa inyo n may ganitong set-up? paki share naman po experience nyo...tnx.

I think the bright B&W's will mate better w/ the warm HK than the bright Yamaha. But, audition is still best for newbies (and oldies) ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 26, 2005 at 12:44 PM
bumblebee.... i dont know if bec of my set up, kung match ba talaga ung hk/infinity or maybe bec of my hearing dahil tumatanda na me??... they said that infinitys are soft in music, i agree on dat... of maybe bec my set up is not yet complete (stereo setup only).....

anyway to all of you... may thanks for giving such powerful knowledge... if i still hav some concerns, pls dont hesitate to give me some bright ideas....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Oct 26, 2005 at 01:19 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if HK blends well w/ Infinity. They are, after all, from the same company. The one most important thing I learned here is that there is no right nor wrong in matching gears. At the end of the day, our own ears will decide.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 26, 2005 at 02:58 PM
bumblebee.... i dont know if bec of my set up, kung match ba talaga ung hk/infinity or maybe bec of my hearing dahil tumatanda na me??... they said that infinitys are soft in music, i agree on dat... of maybe bec my set up is not yet complete (stereo setup only).....


Don't underestimate the power of stereo.  ;D

If you're happy with what you hear in stereo, there's a better chance you'd be happy in multichannel too on the same rig by just adding the right speakers in the right places.  But if you're not happy in stereo, I doubt if adding the right speakers in the right places for multichannel on the same rig will.   Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 26, 2005 at 03:36 PM
bumblebee/av_phile.... many many tnx!!!.... maybe ur correct afterall, its better to complete my set up then that's the time for me to hav conclusions..... but ryt now, since budget is my primary concern, will have to produce some financial ways to purchase and complete my HT set up.....


MANY THANKS...MABUHAY KAU!!!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: daniellacyan on Oct 26, 2005 at 11:30 PM
Sirs, first time poster here.
I do hope you could help me out with some of my questions.
First off - my mom-in-law just gave me an HK 335 as a gift, and got it 2 days ago.
I havent used it for the moment due to some concerns.

The HK needs 120V of power.  I have a "Zebra 2000W AVR" that can only supply 110V.  Will these lead to any problems?  Should I look for an AVR that can specifically give out 120V?  If I should replace the AVR, where can I find a good brand, and for how much? (the zebra cost me P6500, by the way).

Secondly, I will be hooking up the HK to a couple of Klipsch floor standers.  I really dont have the specific name of these speakers, but a couple of things I know about it is that they are circa 1993, three ways using horn tweets.  These babies are probably about 150-180W, and having about 93dB sensitivity and have to bi-wiring facilities. 
My question is this, can I hook these up to the HK?  The speakers came with a Klipsch SW-150, presumably made in the same year.  Will I be straining the HK if I use the 110V AVR and pair them with the Klipschs?

TIA 

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Oct 27, 2005 at 03:17 AM
Sirs, first time poster here.
I do hope you could help me out with some of my questions.
First off - my mom-in-law just gave me an HK 335 as a gift, and got it 2 days ago.
I havent used it for the moment due to some concerns.

The HK needs 120V of power.  I have a "Zebra 2000W AVR" that can only supply 110V.  Will these lead to any problems? Should I look for an AVR that can specifically give out 120V?  If I should replace the AVR, where can I find a good brand, and for how much? (the zebra cost me P6500, by the way). no problem with that basta mas mataas ang wattage nang AVR mo kaya nyang supplayan nang power ang HK mo (you AVR has 2000w while HK only need 890W) 

Secondly, I will be hooking up the HK to a couple of Klipsch floor standers.  I really dont have the specific name of these speakers, but a couple of things I know about it is that they are circa 1993, three ways using horn tweets.  These babies are probably about 150-180W, and having about 93dB sensitivity and have to bi-wiring facilities. 
My question is this, can I hook these up to the HK?  The speakers came with a Klipsch SW-150, presumably made in the same year.  Will I be straining the HK if I use the 110V AVR and pair them with the Klipschs?

TIA 


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 27, 2005 at 10:12 AM
Sirs, first time poster here.
I do hope you could help me out with some of my questions.
First off - my mom-in-law just gave me an HK 335 as a gift, and got it 2 days ago.
I havent used it for the moment due to some concerns.

The HK needs 120V of power.  I have a "Zebra 2000W AVR" that can only supply 110V.  Will these lead to any problems?  Should I look for an AVR that can specifically give out 120V?  If I should replace the AVR, where can I find a good brand, and for how much? (the zebra cost me P6500, by the way).

Secondly, I will be hooking up the HK to a couple of Klipsch floor standers.  I really dont have the specific name of these speakers, but a couple of things I know about it is that they are circa 1993, three ways using horn tweets.  These babies are probably about 150-180W, and having about 93dB sensitivity and have to bi-wiring facilities. 
My question is this, can I hook these up to the HK?  The speakers came with a Klipsch SW-150, presumably made in the same year.  Will I be straining the HK if I use the 110V AVR and pair them with the Klipschs?

TIA 



Firstly, welcome to this forum and my congratulations on your HK.

Regarding your concerns on power, I don't see that as a problem.  US power mains are in the 110-120 range.

Your Klipsch should sing loudly and nicely with your HK, especially with their 93 db sensitivities, bi-wired or otherwise. 

Happy listening.   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 28, 2005 at 11:25 AM
ganda naman avr nun mas mataas sa avr ko n 235 lang.... anyway, maishare ko lang with regards to your supply requirements.... it doesnt matter if your avr is 110v ac and need to hav a set down x'former or any type of variac as long as your avr require 60hz single phase rating.... philippines and us have d'same std use under electrical code standards..... magkakaproblema ka lang kung 120V/ 50hz ang requirement ng avr mo.... there will be hav a big effect on the performance on the electronic circuitry inside especially sa amplifier section......
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 28, 2005 at 12:17 PM
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The HK needs 120V of power.  I have a "Zebra 2000W AVR" that can only supply 110V.  Will these lead to any problems?  Should I look for an AVR that can specifically give out 120V?  If I should replace the AVR, where can I find a good brand, and for how much? (the zebra cost me P6500, by the way).

none that i can see, unless you feed difficult speakers from it! ;D
the 120volt is the nominal rating, a figure that must not be exceeded at anytime! since doing so, the manufacturer can not guarrantee safe operation! this is true for all audio gears!
your zebra is just fine! ;)

go ahead and enjoy the music! :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: daniellacyan on Oct 28, 2005 at 06:10 PM
Sirs, thank you very much.
Due to your responses, the HK will definitely come to life this evening!!!

just worried about the 50/60Hz issue.
I hope this doesnt fry my HK. Sayang naman.
I do wish I can find out the model/name of my Klipsch.

By the way, the SW150 is a double sub design (am I correct???)
There's a passive and an active Speaker in the enclosure.
According to the manual, the active pushes the passive, creating more air movement.
I really thought that the sub would deliver BAAASSSSSS.
Unfortunately, it hasnt done that.
I have the Xover set at 50hz, and I've been adjusting phase like crazy.  Nothing.
Maybe anyone of you has the same sub and may be able to help me out again?
Thanks ulit!!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 28, 2005 at 06:46 PM
Sirs, thank you very much.
Due to your responses, the HK will definitely come to life this evening!!!

just worried about the 50/60Hz issue.
I hope this doesnt fry my HK. Sayang naman.
I do wish I can find out the model/name of my Klipsch.

By the way, the SW150 is a double sub design (am I correct???)
There's a passive and an active Speaker in the enclosure.
According to the manual, the active pushes the passive, creating more air movement.
I really thought that the sub would deliver BAAASSSSSS.
Unfortunately, it hasnt done that.
I have the Xover set at 50hz, and I've been adjusting phase like crazy.  Nothing.
Maybe anyone of you has the same sub and may be able to help me out again?
Thanks ulit!!!

Most receivers have transformers that can work fine in either 50hz or 60hz outlet frequency.  Heat, sound and light generating appliances are rarely affected by discrepancies in line frequencies.   It's motor-driven appliances that are.

If your subwoofer goes down to only 40hz, setting it to 50hz crossover leaves it wilth only 10hz to work on so you may not hear much especially if the source DVD does not contain much information below 50hz.  You may need to max out the volume level, and less with the phase. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 29, 2005 at 07:41 AM
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just worried about the 50/60Hz issue.


worry no more! this is a non-issue!
the power transformer of your avr was designed for 50hz, now feeding it 60hz, heating will even be lesser!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: golp on Nov 02, 2005 at 08:25 AM
i'm planning to buy an hk 135 at spectra this week.  any comments on this avr?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 02, 2005 at 08:27 AM
i'm planning to buy an hk 135 at spectra this week.  any comments on this avr?

Go, go, go ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Acoustic Alchemy on Nov 04, 2005 at 10:47 PM
Go, man! Go!

Get that avr. I'm currently using an HK AVR 130 and  hooked with a set of AE Evo series speakers, and they sound magnificent. Just follow your ear . :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: daniellacyan on Nov 07, 2005 at 01:07 PM
Sirs,

I've been trying to hook up the 335.
I was just wondering if there are any connectors available for the speaker wires going into the AVR.
*the wires are naked for the moment*
Where can I get these? Thank you so much for everyone's help.

By the way, if any of you live near UPS2 (east service road), maybe you could help me in setting up my gear?
I really need all the help I can get. 
I have no idea on speaker positioning, and I dont have the time to read the AVR manual on how to operate the AVR.
All I know is how to turn the AVR on...and that's about it.

I want the seting-up of these gears to be a once off thing. 
Once these things start singing, I want them to remain where they are.
TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 07, 2005 at 01:17 PM
Bare wire is best. You can use banana plugs (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=35987.0) if you want them "dressed" :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Nov 07, 2005 at 05:19 PM
I want the seting-up of these gears to be a once off thing.
Once these things start singing, I want them to remain where they are.

sir no offense po ha...

sayang naman po gamit nyo kung hindi nyo pag e-experimentohan. sana po nag 2 channel na lang po kyo like yung mga mini component or yung po mga dvd player na may ksamang 5 speakers and 1 sub. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fantastic_23 on Nov 07, 2005 at 05:42 PM
i think there's an internal battery that needs to be replaced. ganyan din sa 5500 ko (tsaka sa 3550 ng kaibigan ko)  pag switch off, pero pag standby lang - ok naman nareretain yung settings

with regards dun sa volume going up - di ko pa naexperience yun

Mga sirs,

I have the same problem as this, how do I change the battery? What type of battery is it?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Nov 07, 2005 at 05:48 PM
sayang naman po gamit nyo kung hindi nyo pag e-experimentohan. sana po nag 2 channel na lang po kyo like yung mga mini component or yung po mga dvd player na may ksamang 5 speakers and 1 sub. :)
Bakit naman sayang? Just because he wants to set it up (properly) only once and not fool around with it anymore doesn't make having an HK AVR any less of a pleasant experience. Certainly, it's still a more capable piece of equipment than most of those mini-components or HTIB's you refer to.

daniellacyan, like they said, bare wire is more than enough for connecting your speakers to your amp. What speakers do you have, anyway? Some people might have the same setup as yours and can give more specific advice.

As to speaker positioning - well, how many speakers do you have? Depending on whether you have 2, 4 or 5 speakers, and what your intended listening purpose is, you'll get varying speaker placement recommendations.

Also, doesn't the HK AVR 335 come with the EzSet auto setup system? At least read the encyclopedia, err, manual of your unit to figure out how that works.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jgl on Nov 07, 2005 at 06:07 PM
Mga sirs,

I have the same problem as this, how do I change the battery? What type of battery is it?

I have a slight variation of the problem.  My AVR330's remote won't function properly.  Pressing AVR mode then the volume buttons on the remote, doesn't make the volume go up or down on the unit.  Other settings are the ones that change.  Even the Channel or Speaker buttons on the remote don't function properly (something else changes on the unit).   I tried it again and the word 'UNLOCK' shows on the unit display frequently.  Is there a way to Unlock the remote settings?  I might have locked the remote to some setting.  I tried the procedure from the manual but it wouldn't work too.  I tried using an AVR130's remote and it works fine.

I'm just looking for options before the last recourse of having it checked (repaired / replaced).  Tried replacing the remote batteries too but same problems.  Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Nov 07, 2005 at 07:14 PM
[edit...]

Ikaw pala uli. :D Since you've already mentioned that using the remote of an AVR 130 it works fine, and you've already tried resetting your remote to no avail - I'd have to think at this point that there's really something fishy with your AVR 330's remote, dude. Have it checked na. Or, the service center might know something (special key sequences) that we don't.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Nov 08, 2005 at 04:09 PM
I have a slight variation of the problem.  My AVR330's remote won't function properly.  Pressing AVR mode then the volume buttons on the remote, doesn't make the volume go up or down on the unit.  Other settings are the ones that change.  Even the Channel or Speaker buttons on the remote don't function properly (something else changes on the unit).   I tried it again and the word 'UNLOCK' shows on the unit display frequently.  Is there a way to Unlock the remote settings?  I might have locked the remote to some setting.  I tried the procedure from the manual but it wouldn't work too.  I tried using an AVR130's remote and it works fine.

I'm just looking for options before the last recourse of having it checked (repaired / replaced).  Tried replacing the remote batteries too but same problems.  Thanks.  :)

Have you tried resetting your remote? Just give it a try. This happened to my HK130 remote before where butttons are malfunctioning. What I did is just reset the remote and everything works normal again. Just check your avr manual on how to do remote control reset. Note that all equipments you've programmed on the remote will be erased and you need to reprogrammed to able to control other equipments again.  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jgl on Nov 08, 2005 at 09:01 PM
Thanks.  But that's also another problem.  I tried the procedure in the manual for resetting the remote but I also could not perform it successfully.  Just to confirm, do you have the key combination?  Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Assassin101 on Nov 15, 2005 at 06:26 PM
hi guys... just a newbie here. i'm planning to setup my 1st AV system. Which is better the HK 235 or the Yamaha 650 or the 750? and i'll just be using a wharfedale diamond 9 series speakers becuase of budget constraints. can you give me some inputs?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 16, 2005 at 12:07 PM
hi guys... just a newbie here. i'm planning to setup my 1st AV system. Which is better the HK 235 or the Yamaha 650 or the 750? and i'll just be using a wharfedale diamond 9 series speakers becuase of budget constraints. can you give me some inputs?

If you are more into HT than music, go for Yamaha.

If you are 50% HT 50% music, go for HK.

Just my 2 cents  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: saki on Nov 30, 2005 at 10:10 PM
thank u so much for all your replies! i'll take note on that. Since you've been into this craze for a very long time now, at least can you rate my ht set up as a start for begginers like me? aside from the reviews that i read from the internet, which i dont know if it' s acurate or just a paid ad, iba un galing sa totoong tao.  what can you say about the hk335 and def tech cinema pro80. tama kayo mga bro!   it's should be our own ears to be pleased, but i think my taste and standard to this kind of hobby would improve and should improve through your comments and suggestions, since am just an apprentice. though i highly preffered a not much expensive set-up, i believe there are products that have great quality yet the price are much affordable, and that's the time we really need you guys as our kuya's here. thanks again so much!
 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: saki on Nov 30, 2005 at 10:12 PM
thank u so much for all your replies! i'll take note on that. Since you've been into this craze for a very long time now, at least can you rate my ht set up as a start for begginers like me? aside from the reviews that i read from the internet, which i dont know if it' s acurate or just a paid ad, iba un galing sa totoong tao.  what can you say about the hk335 and def tech cinema pro80. tama kayo mga bro!   it's should be our own ears to be pleased, but i think my taste and standard to this kind of hobby would improve and should improve through your comments and suggestions, since am just an apprentice. though i highly preffered a not much expensive set-up, i believe there are products that have great quality yet the price are much affordable, and that's the time we really need you guys as our kuya's here. thanks again so much!
 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Dec 03, 2005 at 10:44 PM
You may also consider HK's AVR5500 that is currently for sale at the marketplace section! ;D


thank u so much for all your replies! i'll take note on that. Since you've been into this craze for a very long time now, at least can you rate my ht set up as a start for begginers like me? aside from the reviews that i read from the internet, which i dont know if it' s acurate or just a paid ad, iba un galing sa totoong tao.  what can you say about the hk335 and def tech cinema pro80. tama kayo mga bro!   it's should be our own ears to be pleased, but i think my taste and standard to this kind of hobby would improve and should improve through your comments and suggestions, since am just an apprentice. though i highly preffered a not much expensive set-up, i believe there are products that have great quality yet the price are much affordable, and that's the time we really need you guys as our kuya's here. thanks again so much!
 

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Abad Santos 7 on Dec 05, 2005 at 03:52 PM
what can you say about the hk335 and def tech cinema pro80.

I have already heard the combi....(IMHO) parang under rated ung pro 80 to much with
HK335.  Would recommend to audition further for better choice....HK-Monitor Audio /
HK- Dali / HK-Mission /HK - B&W..and many others...

Cheers.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Dec 06, 2005 at 09:07 AM
guys help me decide which HK to get  ;D

A pre-owned HK 230 in good condition OR a brand new HK 135 if the price difference of the 230 to the bnew 135 is only 3K?


gulong-gulo na ako  ;D ,
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 06, 2005 at 09:12 AM
guys help me decide which HK to get  ;D

A pre-owned HK 230 in good condition OR a brand new HK 135 if the price difference of the 230 to the bnew 135 is only 3K?


gulong-gulo na ako  ;D ,

Both are 6.1 right?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Dec 06, 2005 at 09:14 AM
Both are 6.1 right?

Yup!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 06, 2005 at 09:19 AM
Yup!

Have you listened to both units? W/c is cheaper?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Dec 06, 2005 at 09:37 AM
Have you listened to both units? W/c is cheaper?

was only able to listen to 130 and 135.

here's the specs:

AVR 135                            AVR 230

6.1                                    6.1
40W *6                             50W *6
OSD                                  OSD???
65W idle, 540W max         118W idle, 890W max
                                         EZset remote

 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 06, 2005 at 09:41 AM
If we assume that the 230 sounds the same as the 130, w/c sound did you like? Is it worth the 3k difference?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Dec 06, 2005 at 09:52 AM
Bro,

Go for HK AVR5500! ;D

(http://www.laserline.uk.net/largeimages/AVR5500.gif)

7.1                                   
85W/Ch
HDCD Decoding
MP3 Decoding
Multizone system
6Ch/8Ch Direct Input 
High Bandwidth, HDTV Compatible                           
OSD                                 
678W max         
EZset remote

 

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Dec 06, 2005 at 09:53 AM
If we assume that the 230 sounds the same as the 130, w/c sound did you like? Is it worth the 3k difference?

bro for my amateur ears, the 130 and 135 sounds the same at midrange volume.


im getting confused on where to based my decision.

for the 135, i'll get 1 year warranty for peace of mind, newest model, DTS 96/24, dolby pro logic IIx,

for the 230, cheaper, +10W per channel, EZset remote,

san kayo?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Dec 06, 2005 at 09:54 AM
BTW, nasa marketplace yan ah! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=44433.0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 06, 2005 at 09:57 AM
bro for my amateur ears, the 130 and 135 sounds the same at midrange volume.


im getting confused on where to based my decision.

for the 135, i'll get 1 year warranty for peace of mind, newest model, DTS 96/24, dolby pro logic IIx,

for the 230, cheaper, +10W per channel, EZset remote,

san kayo?

Yun naman pala e. E di yung yung cheaper :) Btw, why not go to the next level (or topmost level)? s2kov's 5500?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Dec 06, 2005 at 10:01 AM
Ayun! salamat bro! :)


Yun naman pala e. E di yung yung cheaper :) Btw, why not go to the next level (or topmost level)? s2kov's 5500?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Dec 06, 2005 at 10:02 AM
kulang sa budget  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Dec 06, 2005 at 10:05 AM
yup, IMHO why not give it a try to audition the HK5500 at market place? mukhang madali naman kausap yung may-ari.. at least break-in na.. just me..salamat  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Dec 06, 2005 at 10:10 AM
ano ba size ng room? do you think 50W is enough? if it's not, then go for HK AVR5500! ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Dec 06, 2005 at 10:17 AM
about 5M X 5M lang yung living room  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Dec 06, 2005 at 01:06 PM
Tamang tama nga yung 85W/ch sa place mo! ;D You don't have the worry na kukulangin yung power with that room size! ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Dec 06, 2005 at 01:13 PM
85w is more than enough for your 5x5 room. HK is conservatively rated, so 85w is about 120w-150w +already compared to other AVRs. That is very powerful and usually found in high end AVRs costing 50k up.

Bottom line: bilhin nyo na yung HK ni Andy  :D, sulit yan! pogi pa! (...si Andy)  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Dec 06, 2005 at 01:17 PM
matt, nadali mo! bigla ako napatawa!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


85w is more than enough for your 5x5 room. HK is conservatively rated, so 85w is about 120w-150w +already compared to other AVRs. That is very powerful and usually found in high end AVRs costing 50k up.

Bottom line: bilhin nyo na yung HK ni Andy  :D, sulit yan! pogi pa! (si Andy)  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BuLLeT on Dec 06, 2005 at 07:12 PM
backdraft,

Mine is the HK3550 with a 55 W/channel (yata) yung rating nya and I acn tell you that it can play loud in DVDs and Audio Cds.  HIndi pa pumiyok yung HK ko even at high volumes unlike yung na experience ko before duns sa Marantz ko na parang nag auto protect yata nung nilakassan ko dun sa SPR na DVD.

Ganda din pang audio ng HK using the analog input ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ibalon23 on Dec 07, 2005 at 12:43 PM
I'm new here. Just got an HK135 & 9.2 last Saturday.  For break-in pa sya.  Is there a recommended volume for 9.2, cause I learned di dapat malakas patugtugin agad sya? Nasa -30 lang setup ko.

Thanks,

Ibalon
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: classicman on Dec 17, 2005 at 11:11 AM
tanong lang po:

what's the current price for the HK AVR-330, & saan A/V store po dyan sa manila ang pinakamura ito.....TIA

 8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Dec 18, 2005 at 10:40 AM
tanong lang po:

what's the current price for the HK AVR-330, & saan A/V store po dyan sa manila ang pinakamura ito.....TIA

 8)
sir wala na po ang avr330 new model na ang pumalit
sa spectra @ parksquare 1 meron sila hk products
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: classicman on Dec 18, 2005 at 11:27 AM
sir wala na po ang avr330 new model na ang pumalit
sa spectra @ parksquare 1 meron sila hk products


thanks for the info......actually meron pa dito sa cebu for Php36,990 at 12mos. 0% while the HK AVR-235 is being sold for Php30,990 also at 12mos. 0%.....gusto ko lang sana i-compare sa prices dyan para makatawad ng konti dito

 8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Dec 19, 2005 at 09:53 AM
I'm new here. Just got an HK135 & 9.2 last Saturday.  For break-in pa sya.  Is there a recommended volume for 9.2, cause I learned di dapat malakas patugtugin agad sya? Nasa -30 lang setup ko.
If you're not in any particular rush to 'break in' your speakers, just play them at normal volumes. I once heard that 10 o'clock should be the optimum setting for listening (that's about -15 dB). But if your space is small (like mine) and the source audio is already pretty loud, -15 dB might be too much for you already.

Just for comparison, I normally listen to the radio at -30 dB. CD's, depending on the material, are also at -30 to -24 dB. For DVDs with loud tracks, I'm at -15 dB and rarely do I have to go up to -10 dB (only on certain DVDs with 'soft' audio). But then again, I have a very small room (25 sqm).
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: classicman on Dec 19, 2005 at 07:14 PM
just visited the HK website & i found out that they have now a new series, x40 :o.....wala na rin pala ang x35 series, ba't kaya short lived lang masyado ang x35 series ::)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gaol on Dec 19, 2005 at 08:58 PM
just visited the HK website & i found out that they have now a new series, x40 :o.....wala na rin pala ang x35 series, ba't kaya short lived lang masyado ang x35 series ::)

If I'm not mistaken, the x35 series was released in the US and elsewhere more than a year ago (kasabay ng 05 series ng denon and x50 series ng yamaha)--but was only brought here recently in the Philippines. Based on this, it's possible the hk x40s will be sold here in late 2006 or even 2007. So hindi talaga short-lived, late lang talaga ibenta dito.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: classicman on Dec 19, 2005 at 09:00 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the x35 series was released in the US and elsewhere more than a year ago (kasabay ng 05 series ng denon and x50 series ng yamaha)--but was only brought here recently in the Philippines. Based on this, it's possible the hk x40s will be sold here in late 2006 or even 2007. S :)o hindi talaga short-lived, late lang talaga ibenta dito.

i see, thanks for the clarification :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Dec 20, 2005 at 10:28 AM
san po ang service center ng hk? location and contact number pls.  ???
nagpost ako sa service na subforum walang sumagot hehehe

medyo nagloloko yung avr325 ko e...medyo di balance ang tunog ng fronts ko..mas malakas sa left. tumutunog naman parehas pero parang may kulang yung right..
tinry ko na pagpalitin yung speaker, yung cable and position. kung ano yung nakakabit sa front right sa avr e medyo mahina.
tinignan ko yung transformer ko(110 kasi) e 250w lang kaya e 480watts yung req'd ng avr..
sana yun lang yun...bibili ako ng medyo malaking transformer at kung ganun pa din e ipapacheck ko na.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: yvesjae on Dec 20, 2005 at 11:23 AM
ano po ba difference ng AVR130 sa AVR135? meron shop na nagbebenta pa kaya ng AVR130?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Dec 20, 2005 at 12:28 PM
all the features of the 130 plus the following;

6.1
-5 watts
OSD
Dolby Pro logic IIx
DTS 96/24
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Dec 20, 2005 at 01:20 PM
sir backdraft,

specs po ba ng avr135 yan?
all the features of the 130 plus the following;

6.1
-5 watts
OSD
Dolby Pro logic IIx
DTS 96/24

DP IIx, DTS 96/24?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Dec 20, 2005 at 01:30 PM
sir backdraft,

specs po ba ng avr135 yan?
DP IIx, DTS 96/24?


yeah, that's for the 135.

but i'm not that positive for the DTS 96/24. Let's hear it from the gurus.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Dec 20, 2005 at 01:35 PM
thanks. sana may mag confirm. ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ibalon23 on Dec 20, 2005 at 10:03 PM
If you're not in any particular rush to 'break in' your speakers, just play them at normal volumes. I once heard that 10 o'clock should be the optimum setting for listening (that's about -15 dB). But if your space is small (like mine) and the source audio is already pretty loud, -15 dB might be too much for you already.

Just for comparison, I normally listen to the radio at -30 dB. CD's, depending on the material, are also at -30 to -24 dB. For DVDs with loud tracks, I'm at -15 dB and rarely do I have to go up to -10 dB (only on certain DVDs with 'soft' audio). But then again, I have a very small room (25 sqm).

Thanks alistair for the info, now I have an idea & comparison. The numbers you give really fits also to the way I listen ,just noticed that  the -15dB is loud for me since my room is also small.

Thanks,
Ibalon
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ganicru on Dec 27, 2005 at 10:35 AM
Mga Bro,
           I am now a proud owner of HK AVR135 replacing my  5 yr. old Onkyo TX DS 656 (open for sale). Surprised on its performance. Very low yung distortion even at high volume. 40 Watts is under rated for it play as loud as my 85 watt Onkyo but clearer. The 6.1 processor is amazing delivering sound thru my   6 channel all Bose speakers and an active pioneer subwoofer. Although same priced as the Onkyo 503 and higher than any Yamaha with higher wattages but I can say Its Worth the Price. Highly recommended.

Just me.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Dec 27, 2005 at 11:48 AM
Congratz ganicru on your new toy, welcome to the club  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: yvesjae on Dec 27, 2005 at 12:34 PM
Mga Bro,
           I am now a proud owner of HK AVR135 replacing my  5 yr. old Onkyo TX DS 656 (open for sale). Surprised on its performance. Very low yung distortion even at high volume. 40 Watts is under rated for it play as loud as my 85 watt Onkyo but clearer. The 6.1 processor is amazing delivering sound thru my   6 channel all Bose speakers and an active pioneer subwoofer. Although same priced as the Onkyo 503 and higher than any Yamaha with higher wattages but I can say Its Worth the Price. Highly recommended.

Just me.

Ako rin HK AVR135 na rin ang binili ko since mas preferred ko na warm ang sounds. Yamaha 450 ang una kong choice.
Aside sa ganda ng tunog ng AVR135, maporma pa sya i-display.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alas6 on Dec 27, 2005 at 06:34 PM
just got myself the hk 235 from audio excellance to replace my yamaha rx-v496 (selling to whoever's interested).  all i can say is wow! :o  i couldn't have made a better decision.  question, though: sabi sa akin doon there's a difference in wattage rating between japanese and us/european amps.  can anyone clarify this please?  thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ganicru on Dec 28, 2005 at 10:17 AM
Heard it too. Wattage of US/Eur vs Jap  amp specs are not for absolute comparison. What ever it is, mukhang mas lamang yung sa US, mas maganda eh. Really, we have to trust our ears.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 28, 2005 at 01:10 PM
Mga sir's, need suggestions, I'm scouting for AV reciever is there any particular model of HK AVR under 27k? yung maganda ang performance and kung saan pwede audition.

Thanks...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alas6 on Dec 28, 2005 at 01:34 PM
the hk 135 would be your answer.  check out audio excellance at eastwood city cybermall and look for nino.  i think the phone number is also given sa av shops thread. 

per my experience, matiyaga akong inasikaso nun and that's why i got the 235 from that shop.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: X-®an™ on Dec 28, 2005 at 03:23 PM
the hk 135 would be your answer.  check out audio excellance at eastwood city cybermall and look for nino.  i think the phone number is also given sa av shops thread. 

per my experience, matiyaga akong inasikaso nun and that's why i got the 235 from that shop.


Hi bro alas!


How much ba yung 235?  Is it over 27K?  Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ganicru on Dec 29, 2005 at 10:39 AM
Check with Spectra sa Park Square 1, below P27k yata yung AVR235. If 6.1 HT yung set-up mo, AVR135 is highly recommended, but if 7.1 HT ka, AVR 235 ka na.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alas6 on Dec 29, 2005 at 11:10 PM
@x-ran, they're selling it for about 26k cash then may add-on pag card gagamitin mo. 

@ganicru, i agree....135 nga sana kukunin ko, but then i was thinking if i'm going to upgrade, might as well stretch it a little, so i got the 235. may wife factor approval naman eh  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jan 02, 2006 at 09:50 AM
Hey guys,
Im planning on an avr upgrade. I am currently using a Diamond 9.2 as fronts, 9cs for center and a wh2 for surrounds. Oks lang ba if i use an HK 135 for those? Will it be compatible?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: zakkaz on Jan 02, 2006 at 10:03 AM
Hey guys,
Im planning on an avr upgrade. I am currently using a Diamond 9.2 as fronts, 9cs for center and a wh2 for surrounds. Oks lang ba if i use an HK 135 for those? Will it be compatible?
no problem with the hk135 because of its high current designed kayang kaya ito idrive ang 9.2
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ibalon23 on Jan 02, 2006 at 10:55 AM
Hey guys,
Im planning on an avr upgrade. I am currently using a Diamond 9.2 as fronts, 9cs for center and a wh2 for surrounds. Oks lang ba if i use an HK 135 for those? Will it be compatible?

 I owned a HK135 , Diamond 9.2 and 9CS wala pa nga lang surround and subwoofer. So far, satisfied ako sa sound, currently in break-in period pa sila lahat coz purchased lang  this Dec.

Ibalon
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jan 02, 2006 at 11:14 AM
Congrats ibalon on yor new setup. I'll take your word for that. Hope I could sell my yammie right away so i could buy the 135. Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ganicru on Jan 02, 2006 at 11:44 AM
Hooked the AVR 135 with megabox dvd karaoke. Wow ganda ng boses ko, hehehe. No problem sa power that  I need, abot din sa kapitbahay. Mahusay yung bass manager menu, buong buo ang tunog together with my Bose speakers.

Just sharing.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JFBagadiong on Jan 02, 2006 at 03:25 PM
Congrats ibalon on yor new setup. I'll take your word for that. Hope I could sell my yammie right away so i could buy the 135. Thanks

Sir whats the model of your Yammie?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jan 03, 2006 at 05:01 PM
Sir whats the model of your Yammie?

RX-V350. Selling it for flat 10k only.

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=43865.0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jan 03, 2006 at 05:12 PM
Need some advise. Is it ok to buy a 2nd hand but very mint condition AVR5550 for 20k pesos?

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 03, 2006 at 05:47 PM
Need some advise. Is it ok to buy a 2nd hand but very mint condition AVR5550 for 20k pesos?



And bring it all the way back to Singapore? Arent electronics cheaper there?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jan 03, 2006 at 05:50 PM
And bring it all the way back to Singapore? Arent electronics cheaper there?

Nope, it is here in Singapore. My friend is selling for  600sgd so converted to around 20k pesos. Mura ba yun? Di ako familiar sa Harman Kardon eh.



Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Jan 03, 2006 at 09:56 PM
I owned a HK135 , Diamond 9.2 and 9CS wala pa nga lang surround and subwoofer. So far, satisfied ako sa sound, currently in break-in period pa sila lahat coz purchased lang  this Dec.

Ibalon

sir, sang store mo nabili yung diamond 9.2 mo? tyaka magkano?..tnx..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 04, 2006 at 10:10 AM
Nope, it is here in Singapore. My friend is selling for  600sgd so converted to around 20k pesos. Mura ba yun? Di ako familiar sa Harman Kardon eh.


What is its power rating? if its at 75wpc, its a good buy. A 75wpc AVR 630 or 635 is at the P50-60k range.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: X-®an™ on Jan 04, 2006 at 11:07 AM
Nope, it is here in Singapore. My friend is selling for  600sgd so converted to around 20k pesos. Mura ba yun? Di ako familiar sa Harman Kardon eh.





Pre, mukhang ok yan ahhh... kung maingat yung friend mo.. good deal yan.  If you're not interested, I might be.. baka pwede akong next in line.  Btw, just curious... do I know that friend of yours? :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jan 04, 2006 at 11:48 AM
Bro XRAN/Matzter,

It is 70wpc and like brand new condition being sold to me by my Singaporean friend.  Nabanggit ko kasi na balak kong mag 7.1 setup sa Living room kaso preferred ko Yamaha eh. Good deal na ba ito?

 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 04, 2006 at 12:11 PM
It is 70wpc and like brand new condition being sold to me by my Singaporean friend.  Nabanggit ko kasi na balak kong mag 7.1 setup sa Living room kaso preferred ko Yamaha eh. Good deal na ba ito?

If its 70wpc, sulit yan, you could get floorstanding speakers and HK will drive it with ease, and it will sound better sa audio. Pero for HT, Yamaha has a slight edge on the HK. Pero for the price/power ratio sulit yung Hk na yan. But I think you might need an external amp for that model to become 7.1 if I am not wrong.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Jan 04, 2006 at 01:14 PM
Sir MatZTER,

please explain further kung paano mag 7.1 set up using an external amp, I have 6.1 receiver and I also have one integrated stereo amp. please list the ingredients and connections. thank you.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 04, 2006 at 03:42 PM
Its for the HK5500 only. I was told by s2kov who is selling his HK5500, that it can be done this way with this model.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Jan 04, 2006 at 03:46 PM
sayang! but thanks anyways... :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jan 05, 2006 at 12:20 AM
But I think you might need an external amp for that model to become 7.1 if I am not wrong.

The model is 5550, 7.1 na ito.




Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 05, 2006 at 01:10 PM
7.1 @ 70wpc @ P20k?!?! Geez, GET IT! I spent over P50k for mine.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Jan 05, 2006 at 01:52 PM
Mura yan! :o It is HK5500 elder brother that cost me Php35.5K!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Jan 06, 2006 at 10:17 AM
Bro Matzer/S2kov,
Thanks.  Unfortunately Im having problem getting approval from FINCON.  Ayaw ng black color, gusto puro silver lang.  Alam na nya siguro na pag black binili ko eh magpapalit din ako ng mga speakers. 




Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: garee on Jan 06, 2006 at 10:30 AM
Bro Matzer/S2kov,
Thanks.  Unfortunately Im having problem getting approval from FINCON.  Ayaw ng black color, gusto puro silver lang.  Alam na nya siguro na pag black binili ko eh magpapalit din ako ng mga speakers.

:)  ;D  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: X-®an™ on Jan 06, 2006 at 11:49 AM
Bro Matzer/S2kov,
Thanks.  Unfortunately Im having problem getting approval from FINCON.  Ayaw ng black color, gusto puro silver lang.  Alam na nya siguro na pag black binili ko eh magpapalit din ako ng mga speakers. 






Bro JT,


Baka pwedeng bilhin mo for me  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 06, 2006 at 03:05 PM
Bro Matzer/S2kov,
Thanks.  Unfortunately Im having problem getting approval from FINCON.  Ayaw ng black color, gusto puro silver lang.  Alam na nya siguro na pag black binili ko eh magpapalit din ako ng mga speakers. 
]
Di lang yun, kayang kaya na nyan magpower ng floorstanders, so baka floorstanders pa ang upgrade mo nyan. Lalong gastos
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: X-®an™ on Jan 06, 2006 at 05:53 PM
Kaya nga nag-volunter na ako kay bro JT na ako na lang bibili... buti na lang at pumayag siya.. crossing fingers that the deal pushes through  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Jan 07, 2006 at 08:01 AM
is there a setting to turn my fronts and center speakers to OFF, if i just want to listen to my surround speakers?

how do I get around these?

TIA  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Jan 09, 2006 at 12:39 PM
is there a setting to turn my fronts and center speakers to OFF, if i just want to listen to my surround speakers?

how do I get around these?
Wala yatang ganyan. At the minimum I think the fronts are always on (you can turn off the center). Why don't you just unplug the speakers from the back panel?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Jan 09, 2006 at 01:06 PM
thanks alistair!

it seems like you really can't turn off the fronts, hassle pag tatanggalin mo pa sa likod  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 09, 2006 at 01:39 PM
I was also looking for a function like that when I was trying to break in my velodyne CHT12r. But apparently HK doesnt have this function.

What I did with my old CHT-10 w/ yamaha was to play bass-y audio at 2 channel, then turn off BOTH the A & B speakers. Then leave for work. after 3 days, viola! break in na yung sub!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: natural on Jan 12, 2006 at 09:46 PM
Hi,

Newbie here, first post.

What brand/model of floorstanders ang kaya i-drive ng AVR 135? I'm planning to buy the HK 135 for a 50-50 set up.

Dilemma ko rin which speakers to match: bookshelf fronts+cs+sw or floorstanders+cs? P15k lang budget ko for speakers.

TIA

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Jan 13, 2006 at 09:23 AM
Hi,

Newbie here, first post.

What brand/model of floorstanders ang kaya i-drive ng AVR 135? I'm planning to buy the HK 135 for a 50-50 set up.

Dilemma ko rin which speakers to match: bookshelf fronts+cs+sw or floorstanders+cs? P15k lang budget ko for speakers.

TIA



wharfedale 9 series pasok sa budget mo at match pa sa HK mo, or hanap ka sa marketplace may mga for sale na floorstanders.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: yvesjae on Jan 13, 2006 at 11:57 AM
Hi,

Newbie here, first post.

What brand/model of floorstanders ang kaya i-drive ng AVR 135? I'm planning to buy the HK 135 for a 50-50 set up.

Dilemma ko rin which speakers to match: bookshelf fronts+cs+sw or floorstanders+cs? P15k lang budget ko for speakers.

TIA



I am using Wharfedale 9.4, 9.CS and SW150 (still looking for 9.DFS) with AVR 135 . Kayang-kaya naman ng AVR 135 i-drive sila, nasa -25 pa lang yung volume sobrang lakas na.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: natural on Jan 16, 2006 at 08:51 PM

Got these HK AVR135+Wharfe 9.2+9.cs+Sw150

(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5393/p30200103rf.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

and the wife and kids are really enjoying their movies  while I, with audio ;)

Big thanks to the guys here at pinoydvd.com. Your posts and threads are a big influence on the purchase. I auditioned them at Spectra (very nice and accommodating staff), of course, spent about an hour and a half in their ParkSquare 1 store last week.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jan 18, 2006 at 09:16 AM
Congrats natural. That's a tasty setup.
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To all gurus. I'd like to ask your opinion on this. Will there be a huge leap of quality and power difference if I shift from Yamaha Rx-v350 to Hk-135? My drivers are Diamond 9.2, cs and wh2 surrounds.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 18, 2006 at 10:51 AM
Danrd, I posted a response to your querry in the other thread.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: whipsaw on Jan 18, 2006 at 11:50 AM
natural,

i recommend you start with bookshelves.

being cheaper, you might be able to find used but pristine dm601 B&W speakers. in the future, when you have more funds to upgrade, you can always use these as your surrounds, or bedroom speakers.

that way, you will be adding rather than replacing. sayang naman if you have to sell good gear. i regret selling several.

anyway, later, you can buy floorstanders.  though believe me, a pair of the speakers i mentioned could last you a long time.

my idea is it is better to have great gear even if it is incomplete (say stereo first with very good speakers), than having a complete set with average gear (say 5.1 with garden variety speakers)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Jan 18, 2006 at 07:20 PM
Got these HK AVR135+Wharfe 9.2+9.cs+Sw150
Congrats! Kulang na lang a pair of 9SR's or 9DFS's to complete the HT experience. Gotta love those guys at Spectra - really accomodating.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ibalon23 on Jan 18, 2006 at 08:41 PM
Congrats! Kulang na lang a pair of 9SR's or 9DFS's to complete the HT experience. Gotta love those guys at Spectra - really accomodating.

Yes, thats true, I got my HK135 + 9.2 + 9CS there also last Dec, very accomodating. I'm still saving to get the SW150.

Natural,

Enjoy listening!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jan 19, 2006 at 09:43 AM
ibalon23

ygpm
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: chrisP23 on Jan 19, 2006 at 10:19 AM
Congrats natural. That's a tasty setup.
-------------------------------------------------
To all gurus. I'd like to ask your opinion on this. Will there be a huge leap of quality and power difference if I shift from Yamaha Rx-v350 to Hk-135? My drivers are Diamond 9.2, cs and wh2 surrounds.

makikisali na lang po ako... ksi plan ko rin upgrade to HK caus i both love movies and music... malaki nga ba ang pagbabago? at kung sa HK ano naman po ang price ng HK-135? ano yung next na mas higher model dito mga SIr? at anu kaya yung price niya? thanks very much...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Jan 19, 2006 at 11:10 AM
hi,

nung bago pa lang yung hk ko (bago lang rin ako nun sa ht/hi-fi world, bago pa rin naman hanggang ngaun)  parang nakaramdam ako ng onting pagsisisi. sabi ko sa sarili ko nuon "...dapat nag yamaha na lang ako medyo mid to hi-end level na sana makukuha ko or onkyo na lang sana, nag padala kase ako sa pogi points ng harman tsaka naliliitan ako sa wattages nya tsaka dahil na rin sa mga special dsp modes na inoofer ng iba at ibang png features like dts 96/24, pl2x (yung hk ko kase wala nun) syempre as a "newbie" gusto ko lahat sana ng features meron ako syempre di ba, pero ang sa totoo lang di ko nman alam kung para saan yun iba dun.

so to make the story short, after months and months of listening to my gears  at sa gears ng friend ko. medyo natututo na ako makinig at mag compare, at unti-unti na akong nagiging proud sa harman ko, ht man o sa audio, kahit mababa ang power output. lalo ako bumilib sa hk nung bumili ako ng cd player only, nasabi ko na lang sa sarili ko "wow! totoo nga ang sinasabi nila mahusay rin pang audio ang harman, kase kakaiba eh compared sa ibang avr na napakinggan ko sa audio. na realize ko rin na hindi ko naman kelangan ng special dsp modes eh like (adventure dsp, sci-fi dsp etc.) kase ang kailangan ko lng pla talaga is dolby digital ex at dts es.

kaya sa bandang huli very hapi ako sa nabili kong harman/kardon at hindi na ako nag sisi sa ginstos kong pera para sa kaluhuang ito. great investment kung investment nga itong maituturing. ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Jan 19, 2006 at 11:27 AM
na realize ko rin na hindi ko naman kelangan ng special dsp modes eh like (adventure dsp, sci-fi dsp etc.) kase ang kailangan ko lng pla talaga is dolby digital ex at dts es.

kaya sa bandang huli very hapi ako sa nabili kong harman/kardon at hindi na ako nag sisi sa ginstos kong pera para sa kaluhuang ito. great investment kung investment nga itong maituturing. ;)

Tama yun! kaya yung HK5500 ko di ko na papalitan :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: chrisP23 on Jan 19, 2006 at 12:00 PM
Ok maraming salamat po sa mga inputs nyo mga sir.. actually gamit ko nga  ngayon a yamaha pero mas pogi dating talaga ng HK.. pinagiisipan ko pa kung anung model ang best para sa wharfs 9.4,9dfs,at 9CS ko.. ok nman ito at malakas din yung power output.  i want a more simpler and defined controls and pogi looks hehe.... ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 19, 2006 at 12:30 PM
hi,

nung bago pa lang yung hk ko (bago lang rin ako nun sa ht/hi-fi world, bago pa rin naman hanggang ngaun)  parang nakaramdam ako ng onting pagsisisi. sabi ko sa sarili ko nuon "...dapat nag yamaha na lang ako medyo mid to hi-end level na sana makukuha ko or onkyo na lang sana, nag padala kase ako sa pogi points ng harman tsaka naliliitan ako sa wattages nya tsaka dahil na rin sa mga special dsp modes na inoofer ng iba at ibang png features like dts 96/24, pl2x (yung hk ko kase wala nun) syempre as a "newbie" gusto ko lahat sana ng features meron ako syempre di ba, pero ang sa totoo lang di ko nman alam kung para saan yun iba dun.

so to make the story short, after months and months of listening to my gears  at sa gears ng friend ko. medyo natututo na ako makinig at mag compare, at unti-unti na akong nagiging proud sa harman ko, ht man o sa audio, kahit mababa ang power output. lalo ako bumilib sa hk nung bumili ako ng cd player only, nasabi ko na lang sa sarili ko "wow! totoo nga ang sinasabi nila mahusay rin pang audio ang harman, kase kakaiba eh compared sa ibang avr na napakinggan ko sa audio. na realize ko rin na hindi ko naman kelangan ng special dsp modes eh like (adventure dsp, sci-fi dsp etc.) kase ang kailangan ko lng pla talaga is dolby digital ex at dts es.

kaya sa bandang huli very hapi ako sa nabili kong harman/kardon at hindi na ako nag sisi sa ginstos kong pera para sa kaluhuang ito. great investment kung investment nga itong maituturing. ;)

Same here. I used ot have Yamaha 450 & 650. I was amused with the numerous features and DSPs at first. After several months, I noticed I only use TWO or THREE DSPs, sometimes only 1. I also seldom use the other amusing features after the first month.

My HK630 now does a great job for both HT and music. lots of power too to bring out the best in your floorstanders.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: natural on Jan 19, 2006 at 12:36 PM
Recommended kasi dito yung HK/Wharfedale combo so that's what I bought. But not before auditioning HK, Yamaha and NAD AVRs with Tannoy and Infinity speakers.

I don't profess to know it all or possess a golden ear but when the guys at Spectra hooked up the HK/Wharfedale and watched and listened to the dvds and cds they used at the shop, I felt good and comfortable. No sharpness or edges, unlike the other gears. I know what I like.

Brands are nothing unless you see/hear their performance. That's why longtime PinoyDVD members here always tell people to audition stuff before buying.

Sana may plush couch din sa Spectra para complete yung A/V experience.  ;)

Since I enjoy music and the wife and kids dig movies, the HK/Wharfedale combo IMO provided the best A/V experience.

Surrounds na lang at stands.

Si misis naman ngayon, naliliitan na sa TV. Sabi ko, sama ka sa akin dun, may ipapakita ako sa iyo.. heheh. In short, ikaw naman gumastos  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: chrisP23 on Jan 19, 2006 at 12:41 PM
yes sir Matz ive seen ur setup, napakaganda po.. the best talaga. Mga magkano kaya range nitong HK630 ngayon?  eto lang ba ang pwede ko gamitin na model for my current speakers? thanks ulet...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 19, 2006 at 02:04 PM
yes sir Matz ive seen ur setup, napakaganda po.. the best talaga. Mga magkano kaya range nitong HK630 ngayon?  eto lang ba ang pwede ko gamitin na model for my current speakers? thanks ulet...
Thanks.

Nasa 50k+ sya last year & meron na HK635 ngayon. Kung may kilala ka abroad, my friend was able to get a HK635 from Canada (110v) at P42k. 

But pwede na HK335 or 235, malakas na rin power nila. But in my experience, the 630 really made my floorstanders sing (w/ no subs) . Manipis tunog nya sa Yammy, kelangan pa ng sub.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: chrisP23 on Jan 19, 2006 at 03:11 PM
Nasa 50k+ sya last year & meron na HK635 ngayon. Kung may kilala ka abroad, my friend was able to get a HK635 from Canada (110v) at P42k. 

But pwede na HK335 or 235, malakas na rin power nila. But in my experience, the 630 really made my floorstanders sing (w/ no subs) . Manipis tunog nya sa Yammy, kelangan pa ng sub.

tama nga, manipis yung tunog sa yammie,  w/o a sub hindi ko ma-enjoy yung pakikinig ng music...  ok thanks very much sir Matz!! magpapa-canvass ako s singapore kung mura din doon yung HK...   7.1 po ba yung hk235?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alas6 on Jan 21, 2006 at 09:19 AM
hk235 user here...yup it's 7.1
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: X-®an™ on Jan 21, 2006 at 12:51 PM
hk235 user here...yup it's 7.1

Can you post the complete specs of this one?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alas6 on Jan 21, 2006 at 02:45 PM
here's the link, sir:  ;D:

http://www.harmankardon.com/specifications.aspx?Region=EUROPE&Country=PH&Language=ENG&cat=REC&ser=&prod=AVR%20235/230&sType=C

hope this helps
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wavsubz on Jan 22, 2006 at 07:05 PM
hello guys,
 ask ko lang kung maganda ba i-pair ang HK135 sa JBL spekers especially yung SCS models nila?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jan 22, 2006 at 10:47 PM
Brod, based on my expirience, mas maganda ang JBL Northridge series instead of SCS sub sat system.

Medyo OT to sa tanong mo but had a chance to audition a HK235. Ang lupit ng performance at power monster talaga. Supposed to be mabibili ko na to, but after inquiring about the availabilty of the Yamaha RX-V757 nag bago ang decision ko at suppose to be that time i-audition ko rin sana yung HK5500 ni Sir S2kov. (Sorry ulit sir  :-[) but the price is a littile bit close sa brand new HK235, kaya hindi na ako natuloy. saka mas gamay ko ang set up at performance ng Yamaha kaya I go for the RX-V757 kahit reserve pa lang.

Just me  ;)       
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 23, 2006 at 10:26 AM
I just came back yesterday from my friend's house to watch the Pacquiao fight. I installed a Yamaha 450 and a JBL SCS260.6 there before.

When I was testing it again, I found it too harsh. I turned down the treble and it was better. When I installed it there I was a Yamaha user so I was used to the bright sound. Now that I am a HK user I wasnt used to the bright sound anymore. But maybe its also because my friend doesnt use that SCS setup much. SO I think HK would do a better match for the SCS series.

Hanns, I suggest you get the Yammy and when budget allows, get a HK power amplifier to get both Yammy DSP and HK power. just my 2  cents.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Jan 23, 2006 at 06:14 PM
No problemo! ;D


Ang lupit ng performance at power monster talaga. Supposed to be mabibili ko na to, but after inquiring about the availabilty of the Yamaha RX-V757 nag bago ang decision ko at suppose to be that time i-audition ko rin sana yung HK5500 ni Sir S2kov. (Sorry ulit sir  :-[) but the price is a littile bit close sa brand new HK235, kaya hindi na ako natuloy. saka mas gamay ko ang set up at performance ng Yamaha kaya I go for the RX-V757 kahit reserve pa lang.

Just me  ;)       
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wavsubz on Jan 25, 2006 at 12:00 AM
guys im planning to have this one HK135 and i think its 6.1 reciever na yata ito..Im just wondering kung anung maximum watts ang pwede ko ikabit na speakers dito..kasi i also want a floorstand na mga speakers na mas malakas ang watts kaya lang hindi ko alam kung kakayanain nga ng HK135 baka mamaya bumigay yung receiver..help naman to enlighten me about this..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ganicru on Jan 25, 2006 at 09:52 AM
Bro, audition ka sa spectra at watt hifi, may HK135 dun at maraming speakers to match.They can help you.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 27, 2006 at 12:34 PM
Has anyone tried using the HK's zone 2 capabilities?

I am planning on using the zone 2 in my bedroom w/c is right above my HT room. There is a 2nd remote but there was no IR sensor included.

But I dont know where to buy the IR sensor. Anyone know? Does Raon have this?

TIA  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: voj on Jan 27, 2006 at 01:01 PM
Has anyone tried using the HK's zone 2 capabilities?

I am planning on using the zone 2 in my bedroom w/c is right above my HT room. There is a 2nd remote but there was no IR sensor included.

But I dont know where to buy the IR sensor. Anyone know? Does Raon have this?

TIA  :)

I don't know how HK implements their zone 2 system.  Yamaha, as I understood it, can provide input to a second room.  That means (please correct me, people if I'm mistaken) you can watch DVD in the main room while listening CD in another room - which would mean you still need an amplifier and a set of speakers in the second room.  What you save are the dvd players, cd players etc.  Which might not be much if you have single disc players.  But if you have those 400 discs cd changers or 300 discs dvd changer and all loaded with your stuff, then the zone 2 implementation makes sense.

What you outlined earlier is like making parallel installation in your room like Speaker A/B with both rooms showing the same thing.

I have infrared paraphernalia I bought ages ago for exactly this kind of project, I can show them to you.  I forgot where I bought it, but it's online.  Usually at smart home sites.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 27, 2006 at 01:21 PM
I don't know how HK implements their zone 2 system.  Yamaha, as I understood it, can provide input to a second room.  That means (please correct me, people if I'm mistaken) you can watch DVD in the main room while listening CD in another room - which would mean you still need an amplifier and a set of speakers in the second room.  What you save are the dvd players, cd players etc.  Which might not be much if you have single disc players.  But if you have those 400 discs cd changers or 300 discs dvd changer and all loaded with your stuff, then the zone 2 implementation makes sense.

What you outlined earlier is like making parallel installation in your room like Speaker A/B with both rooms showing the same thing.

I have infrared paraphernalia I bought ages ago for exactly this kind of project, I can show them to you.  I forgot where I bought it, but it's online.  Usually at smart home sites.

HK can do multi room in a number of ways. one is by another amp in zone 2 connected via rca and the 2nd way is by using the 6th & 7th channel of the amp to power another set of speakers in zone 2.

What I plan to do is to install a set of wall plugs like this:
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/HT16.jpg)
And it connects to the speakers in zone 2. All I have to do is to unplug the ones being used at the HT room and plug them to the wall jacks that connect to zone 2 and the 5 speakers in zone 2 will be powered. I know its a bit tedious. But it saves me from buying another AVR. Banana plugs will ease the tediousness too.

Where did you buy it sir voj? Are there locally availalbe ones?

Since its just an IR port, hopefully Raon has em. All I need them for are volume controls and power anyway.

Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 27, 2006 at 03:17 PM
I just called a HK dealer. The d**n IR thing costs P7.5k  >:(! just for an IR sensor!

Gee, and the salesman also said that only HK IR sensor should be used  ::). I wonder if thats true.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 27, 2006 at 03:32 PM
Those IR sensors are infrared, right?  I suppose he's right if HK uses proprietary frequencies in the infrared spectrum.  Parang TV remote din ata yan, you have to match the remote with the TV brand/model   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Jan 27, 2006 at 08:51 PM
I just called a HK dealer. The d**n IR thing costs P7.5k >:(! just for an IR sensor!

Gee, and the salesman also said that only HK IR sensor should be used ::). I wonder if thats true.

Pare, there are several options. You can buy the HK IR sensor and connect it to your AVR. This will operate the preamp section and you can use the 6th and 7th channel to power the speakers of zone 2. Another option would be using an external power amp to power zone two while using the AVR preamp. Since you are using the 630, you can also buy the HK A-bus which is a wall mounted remote control that has a built in amplifier. It has an IR also so you can use your 2nd remote. Im using this for one of my project and Arch Audio especially Nico was so helpful in explaining how to use zone 2.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 30, 2006 at 10:55 AM
Thanks sir AV & levi  :). I will go ask AA about how to use that.

Funny thing was, when I was asking about these at acoustical space, they told me this A bus thing costs 6.7k and its got a IR and an amp. But the IR sensor alone cost 7.5k , whaddahek ??? Thus my reaction to the IR port above.
Title: Re: speakers
Post by: curious me on Jan 30, 2006 at 11:29 AM
I'm a she.... ;D
makikisawsaw na rin po, what can u say about ung B3 brand ng speakers, any particular model which you can advice to be used for a 1000watt amp?

Thanks a lot for your shared exp ;Dertise... ;)
Title: Re: speakers
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jan 30, 2006 at 04:47 PM
I'm a she.... ;D
makikisawsaw na rin po, what can u say about ung B3 brand ng speakers, any particular model which you can advice to be used for a 1000watt amp?

Thanks a lot for your shared exp ;Dertise... ;)

Madam Curious,

Professional po ba yung 1000W amp nyo? ilang channels po? kasi if its a pro. well minimum power consumption nyan is 1kva? you might want use those full range JBL "voice of theater" with a 18" horn loaded speakers. pero kung pang bahay lang yan the figure you've just said might be a "ball-park figure" lang. gamit ka na lang ng large floor standers. mga minimum of 300W RMS rated at 8ohms with a high sensitivity rate speakers... just a tip...  ;)

by the way saan po ba nyo gagamitin?       
Title: Re: speakers
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Jan 30, 2006 at 10:21 PM
Hi curious me,

B3 speakers are actually professional speakers.  Saan mo ba ito gagamitin?  Kung sa bahay lang, i'd rather use something else.

Kung sa Bars, ok naman sya.  What's good about the B3s is that they are not ear piercing like other professional speakers.  And their prices are amazingly low.  Ang isa sa mga downside nya is that they cannot go that loud, say compared to a JBL.  B3s are fairly efficient speakers, so you won't really need 1000watts.  Besides, what you really need is quality watts :)

Good luck.



I'm a she.... ;D
makikisawsaw na rin po, what can u say about ung B3 brand ng speakers, any particular model which you can advice to be used for a 1000watt amp?

Thanks a lot for your shared exp ;Dertise... ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: curious me on Feb 01, 2006 at 08:44 AM
We're planning to assemble another videoke machine for outdoor pero ung nkhiwalay ang speaker. My husband saw a B3 speaker and after listening to it parang gusto nya un pr sa house and ung dati (Konzert 400watts) will be used for rentals. Actually, what i really meant was 1000 watts ung amp, if you've heard of Konzert K-250amp?
Comments please? I think JBL is too expensive for me...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 01, 2006 at 11:32 PM
We're planning to assemble another videoke machine for outdoor pero ung nkhiwalay ang speaker. My husband saw a B3 speaker and after listening to it parang gusto nya un pr sa house and ung dati (Konzert 400watts) will be used for rentals. Actually, what i really meant was 1000 watts ung amp, if you've heard of Konzert K-250amp?
Comments please? I think JBL is too expensive for me...

Madam,

Medyo OT na to but heres my opinion...

Ive seen and heard the pro K-250 professional amp and u might want to try the same brand like the KonZert KSS-10 professional stage speakers, 3way horn loaded rated at 500W ea. at 96db on 8ohms 48hz-20khz. for in/outdoor use. it only cost 6T pair and its great on videoke coz, thats my present system and as a testimony, Ive heard it very sweet lalo na combined with DSP of Yamaha and Lexus digital mic mixer. ganda ganda ng boses. lalo na kung naka DSP Conzert hall 3, tapos fine tune mo yung vocals mo ng echo, delay, mic treble at bass with digital reverb. parang studio quality na yung audio at vocals mo.

by the way the speaker looks like this:

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/DSC00099.jpg)



Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: curious me on Feb 02, 2006 at 02:22 PM
 :)Wow, thanks a lot sir hanns!!!!
My next question is, do you have an idea where i could buy those speakers please? I think u implied a price like 6T/pair?
It so happened that our family is one of a music lover from my husband down to my youngest who is 6 years old, everybody could sing so, just imagine the enjoyment of listening to good music and going along with it with a good voice made even better by good technology....
Thanks a lot a gain.

By the way, a friend of mine here asks how to bridge a bridgeable amp if you've any idea.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 02, 2006 at 03:10 PM
:)Wow, thanks a lot sir hanns!!!!
My next question is, do you have an idea where i could buy those speakers please? I think u implied a price like 6T/pair?
It so happened that our family is one of a music lover from my husband down to my youngest who is 6 years old, everybody could sing so, just imagine the enjoyment of listening to good music and going along with it with a good voice made even better by good technology....
Thanks a lot a gain.

By the way, a friend of mine here asks how to bridge a bridgeable amp if you've any idea.

Its available in raon. I got mine there particularly in ACJ shop below Dai-ichi showroom and yes it is 6T/pair na yon. yung K-250 power amp gamit mo sakto dito yun plus professional pa lahat ng gamit mo.

by the way, after mo ma setup yung gusto mong speakers at power amp. go naman for the audio processing. ang maganda lang kasi sa professional gears hindi siya ganun kadali masira kahit hatawan ang gamit at hindi pa siya madali maluma sa technology. try adding these; Digitech studio 200, Konzert 32band GEQ, your choice of audio mixer and Shure SM58. yan mga gears na yan lahat professional.

Anyways dun naman sa question mong bridging an amp. tignan mo muna kung capable yung amp to be bridge...

Its like this, diba there are 2 speakers terminals? Left / Right with both positive and negative pole. ganto pag bridge nun. yung Positive pole (red) ng L at Negative pole (black) ng R ang gagamitin mo. connect it to your speaker. magiging mono yung amp mo. but you have twice the power. ganun lang pero better check kung kaya ng speakers yung load. baka kasi masyado malakas yun. usually ginagamit lang yun sa bass bins or low freq speakers.

I hope its clear anyways kung may question ka just ask, well come up with the best answer. basta regarding sa audio at video ha? hehehe!  ;)   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: xtian001 on Feb 05, 2006 at 06:52 AM
Hi there.. tanong ko lang sana kung OK itong setup na ito..

Harman Kardon 330

Front - JBL Northridge e60 Floor Standing Speakers X2 (175W)
Center - JBL Northridge e25 (150W)
Surround - JBL Northridge e10 X2 (100W)
Sub- JBL PB12 (250W Powered)

5.1 setup lang muna at dagdag na lang sa 7.1 later on...

Ano sa tingin nyo? Kakayanin ba ng HK330 yung e60 na floor standers?

XXX
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 05, 2006 at 12:39 PM
Hi there.. tanong ko lang sana kung OK itong setup na ito..

Harman Kardon 330

Front - JBL Northridge e60 Floor Standing Speakers X2 (175W)
Center - JBL Northridge e25 (150W)
Surround - JBL Northridge e10 X2 (100W)
Sub- JBL PB12 (250W Powered)

5.1 setup lang muna at dagdag na lang sa 7.1 later on...

Ano sa tingin nyo? Kakayanin ba ng HK330 yung e60 na floor standers?

XXX

OO naman! HARMAN KARDON pa!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: saki on Feb 05, 2006 at 10:32 PM
mga boss plano ko bumili ng wharfedale diamond 9.2 for music, stereo. my avr is hk335, with definitive cinema pro80 as movie set-up. gusto ko kasi ng dedicated for music and i want to start by adding additional speaker. any comment please. i would highly appreciate it. thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Feb 08, 2006 at 02:19 PM
Mga bro

Patulong nman po.

First post ko dito. First time ko bibili ng avr. pinagpipilian ko Marantz sr 4500(P17500)  tska HK135(19500) since silang dalawa lang nasa budget ko. pang HT at audio pero mostly pang movies ko sya gagamitin.

Ano recommendation nyo?Marantz sr4500 o Harman kardon135?

tska magkano ung speakers na floorstanders na pwede sa HK? wharfdale ung nirerecommend dito pero di ko alam price range nun eh.

Yung mordaunt short na dinemo saken, 10k ung sub, 10k ung left and right

sana po matulungan nyo ko. salamat
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 08, 2006 at 04:29 PM
Mga bro

Patulong nman po.

First post ko dito. First time ko bibili ng avr. pinagpipilian ko Marantz sr 4500(P17500)  tska HK135(19500) since silang dalawa lang nasa budget ko. pang HT at audio pero mostly pang movies ko sya gagamitin.

Ano recommendation nyo?Marantz sr4500 o Harman kardon135?

tska magkano ung speakers na floorstanders na pwede sa HK? wharfdale ung nirerecommend dito pero di ko alam price range nun eh.

Yung mordaunt short na dinemo saken, 10k ung sub, 10k ung left and right

sana po matulungan nyo ko. salamat

dude if I were you I'll go for the HK, hindi ka magsisi tutal mostly pang HT mo gagamitin, yung HK very good performer on 50% for Audio at 50% for HT. wala pa ako nababasa negative about sa HK AVR. pero you might want to audition Yamaha too. sa speakers naman okey ang Wharfs for newbie set up, yung definitive medyo sirain most of my HT friends lahat nagka problema sa Sub sat system ng definitive. just an advice though so its up to you if you want to gamble on that. then you might want to audition also JBL speakers also. as a good advice dont go on those small cube type speakes nasa huli ang pagsisisi. take my word for it...

If budget allows go for the floor stander kahit local like Euros 8 set up, panalo to been using the Euros center and I'm planning to sell my KSS-10 to change into Euros 8 Towers...  :D :D :D     
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Feb 08, 2006 at 09:14 PM
bro hanns1976 salamat sa reply

wala akong idea kung ano yung euros na tinutukoy mo eh. san kaya ko mkakakita nun at how much kaya? kasi budget ko 50k for the whole setup. ung budget ko kasi binase ko sa mordaunt short carnival series na set na for sale sa adamson. parang pumapatak 30k ung set.

tska san nyo nirerecommend bumili? ang HK avr135 kasi sa abenson almost 23k..pero sa JBL showroom sa sm north cyberzone 19500 lang

tnx ult
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 08, 2006 at 10:42 PM
bro hanns1976 salamat sa reply

wala akong idea kung ano yung euros na tinutukoy mo eh. san kaya ko mkakakita nun at how much kaya? kasi budget ko 50k for the whole setup. ung budget ko kasi binase ko sa mordaunt short carnival series na set na for sale sa adamson. parang pumapatak 30k ung set.

tska san nyo nirerecommend bumili? ang HK avr135 kasi sa abenson almost 23k..pero sa JBL showroom sa sm north cyberzone 19500 lang

tnx ult

Sir try mo sa Spectra Park square 1 makati, ung HK AVR235 7.1 nila nasa 26K lang, yung branded na speakers tulad ng target mo MS sa 30k budget. you might want to audition more. For HK I prefer JBL speakers basta hindi yung cube type pero its up to you. Yung Euros 8 gawa lang ng Dai-ichi 18K for the whole set up (2 towers, 1 center, 2 surrounds, 1 active sub) heres the web site www.daiichi.ph meron din silang showroom sa megamall at raon, pero I bet kayang habulin ng Euros 8 tower set up yung MS na choice mo hehehe!... but its just me  ;)

dont you think mas magandang setup na to?

HK235 - 26K neg pa sa spectra makati parksquare 1.
Euros 8 - 18K neg din.
total = 44k
so may sukli kapa 6T for interconnect at Bnew DVD player Nextbase 656!!!

 ;)

 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Feb 09, 2006 at 01:47 PM
hi, what is the difference between hk135 and hk140? parang wala naman gaano? ???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 09, 2006 at 04:16 PM
wala masyado kung di model nos. lang ang pinagkaiba 140 kaysa sa 135 hehehe ;)

Specification:

AVR 135 vs. AVR 140
# of Amplifier Channels: both have 6 channels   
Power Rating (all channels driven at full power):
AVR 135 = 40W x 6 @ 8 Ohms (20Hz – 20kHz, <0.07% THD)
AVR 140 = 40W x 6 @ 8 Ohms (20Hz – 20kHz, <0.07% THD)   
Digital Inputs (coaxial/optical):
AVR 135 = 2/2 on Rear; 1/1 on front
AVR 140 = 2/2 on Rear; 1/1 on front   
Analog Inputs:
AVR 135 = 3 A/V on rear panel; 1 A/V on front panel; 2 audio-only; 6-/8-channel input; tuner
AVR 140 = 3 A/V on rear panel; 1 A/V on front panel; 2 audio-only; 6-/8-channel input; tuner   
On-Screen Display: both Yes   
Multizone Capability: both No   
Auto Setup: both No   
Remote Control: both are Seven-device, programmable remote.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Feb 09, 2006 at 05:23 PM
pero meron ang avr140 cnasabing "the bridge". parang i-pod docking station na optional pa, di ko ma-gets yung point. d ba pwede naman sa analog inputs ang i-pod?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 09, 2006 at 07:02 PM
pero meron ang avr140 cnasabing "the bridge". parang i-pod docking station na optional pa, di ko ma-gets yung point. d ba pwede naman sa analog inputs ang i-pod?

Cable lang yung "the bridge" you can use generic cables (RCA, USB, Optical, etc.) kung ano man yon kahit optical supported pa rin ng HK...   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alas6 on Feb 09, 2006 at 07:41 PM
bro hanns1976 salamat sa reply

wala akong idea kung ano yung euros na tinutukoy mo eh. san kaya ko mkakakita nun at how much kaya? kasi budget ko 50k for the whole setup. ung budget ko kasi binase ko sa mordaunt short carnival series na set na for sale sa adamson. parang pumapatak 30k ung set.

tska san nyo nirerecommend bumili? ang HK avr135 kasi sa abenson almost 23k..pero sa JBL showroom sa sm north cyberzone 19500 lang

tnx ult

sir, subukan mo either kay nino sa audio excellance- eastwood cybermall libis or call up sonny tuazon sa home theater (look for the audio-video thread for the contact numbers)...puede ka nilang bigyan ng good deal on the avr135.....kung gusto mo naman ng wharfes for speakers, kay sir sonny ako kumuha and he gave me the best deal i could get.  for the sub, i got the sw150 for 9.5k sa listening room mega
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Feb 09, 2006 at 11:35 PM
Hi Jaytee and Hanns,

"The Bridge" is not merely an Ipod to RCA cable adaptor.  If you have the Bridge, you can use Harmans remote control to go through your songs in your Ipod.  That means you no longer have to stand up to change your song selection or go thru the menu.  We can now be fat, merry and enjoy more music (he he he)!!!  Even better, you can read the menu/songs from the front panel of your harman AVR!!!!  Ayos di ba?? :) :) :)



pero meron ang avr140 cnasabing "the bridge". parang i-pod docking station na optional pa, di ko ma-gets yung point. d ba pwede naman sa analog inputs ang i-pod?


Cable lang yung "the bridge" you can use generic cables (RCA, USB, Optical, etc.) kung ano man yon kahit optical supported pa rin ng HK...   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 09, 2006 at 11:52 PM
Hi Jaytee and Hanns,

"The Bridge" is not merely an Ipod to RCA cable adaptor.  If you have the Bridge, you can use Harmans remote control to go through your songs in your Ipod.  That means you no longer have to stand up to change your song selection or go thru the menu.  We can now be fat, merry and enjoy more music (he he he)!!!  Even better, you can read the menu/songs from the front panel of your harman AVR!!!!  Ayos di ba?? :) :) :)





Thanks sir for the add'l info, magkano ba price difference ng HK 135 at 140? 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: saki on Feb 10, 2006 at 09:52 AM
mga sirs,

     just for additional info, when you put your ipod to the hk ipod docking system to the bridge, the power will also be charged. there's the convenience of not so much wire, and it will look good on your set-up. unfortunately i have my only a hk 335, doesn't have also the a "bidge connection" but they have a unit, i forgot the name, that can be connected to the avr to attache the bridge.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Feb 10, 2006 at 10:06 AM
Sir, sorry but there's no pricing yet for the 140s.  Although we expect them to be slightly more expensive than the 135s.

Thanks :)
 

Thanks sir for the add'l info, magkano ba price difference ng HK 135 at 140? 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ganicru on Feb 10, 2006 at 10:36 AM
bro hanns1976 salamat sa reply

wala akong idea kung ano yung euros na tinutukoy mo eh. san kaya ko mkakakita nun at how much kaya? kasi budget ko 50k for the whole setup. ung budget ko kasi binase ko sa mordaunt short carnival series na set na for sale sa adamson. parang pumapatak 30k ung set.

tska san nyo nirerecommend bumili? ang HK avr135 kasi sa abenson almost 23k..pero sa JBL showroom sa sm north cyberzone 19500 lang

tnx ult


Try mo sa watt Hi Fi, MCS   mas mura yung cash price  ng HK135.


Yung HK140 parang walang bass, treble and balance control sa front face. Where kaya nakalagay?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: saki on Feb 10, 2006 at 01:38 PM
dude if I were you I'll go for the HK, hindi ka magsisi tutal mostly pang HT mo gagamitin, yung HK very good performer on 50% for Audio at 50% for HT. wala pa ako nababasa negative about sa HK AVR. pero you might want to audition Yamaha too. sa speakers naman okey ang Wharfs for newbie set up, yung definitive medyo sirain most of my HT friends lahat nagka problema sa Sub sat system ng definitive. just an advice though so its up to you if you want to gamble on that. then you might want to audition also JBL speakers also. as a good advice dont go on those small cube type speakes nasa huli ang pagsisisi. take my word for it...

If budget allows go for the floor stander kahit local like Euros 8 set up, panalo to been using the Euros center and I'm planning to sell my KSS-10 to change into Euros 8 Towers...  :D :D :D     

sirs,
            i'm using hk 335, and def tech cinema pro80 for ht set-up, and a pair of wharfes 9.2 for audio and it sounds great movies and music, (i don't use my sub when listening to music). just want to you inform you guys also that i've been using my def tech about almost 2 years now, my amp then was a denon 1604, nagpalit ako kasi kulang sa drive. i had a problem also with the prosub 80 before when it was only around 6months old with me, the fuse was always busted, i suspected that it was the y-conector, grounded probably, when it was accidentally pulled-out from the sub and that's the time it started the problem. what i did is, i replaced the y-connector and replced also the fuse from 1.6A to 2A, from then on i didn't have poblem at all.  just hope the fuse will get busted when it needed so, otherwise it will be my sub.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Feb 10, 2006 at 05:02 PM
Try mo sa watt Hi Fi, MCS   mas mura yung cash price  ng HK135.


Bro ganicru san tong mga to? sensha na nde ako familiar d2 eh. tska magkano kaya 135 nla?

slamat ulit po
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ganicru on Feb 10, 2006 at 05:12 PM
Sent you PM.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EB on Feb 10, 2006 at 05:47 PM
Sa Architectural Audio, P18,400 ang AVR135.

Call them at 811-6715.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 10, 2006 at 07:09 PM
sirs,
            i'm using hk 335, and def tech cinema pro80 for ht set-up, and a pair of wharfes 9.2 for audio and it sounds great movies and music, (i don't use my sub when listening to music). just want to you inform you guys also that i've been using my def tech about almost 2 years now, my amp then was a denon 1604, nagpalit ako kasi kulang sa drive. i had a problem also with the prosub 80 before when it was only around 6months old with me, the fuse was always busted, i suspected that it was the y-conector, grounded probably, when it was accidentally pulled-out from the sub and that's the time it started the problem. what i did is, i replaced the y-connector and replced also the fuse from 1.6A to 2A, from then on i didn't have poblem at all.  just hope the fuse will get busted when it needed so, otherwise it will be my sub.

medyo OT na sa topic to pero yan ang prob ng def tech, 2 of my fellow HT friends has a pro 80 at parehas silang nagka problema, hindi lang ang sub ang nag kakaproblema, pati yung sat nila laging busted yung midbass driver.

yung pro 80 kahit na 135W/max "DAW" ang kaya. Eh sa particular AVR na 135max din ginamit ng friend ko pero nasira pa din eh. yung fuse naman ganun din ang ginawa nila, pag iba ang fuse rating na gagamitin instead of the factory stock. (used a higher amp) nasira yung internal electronic ng amp. hindi siguro immediately pero eventually parang umiksi ang amp life nila. 

yun ang design flaw ng first generation pro80. 1 of my friend waited for 3 mos just to replace the whole amp section ng sub. kaya yung distro ng Deftech dito sa Pinas umaayaw dahil sa bukod na mahina ang sales, yung quality pa ng electronics parang mahina rin. actually biniro ko pa siya hindi dapat "definitive technology" ang brand nila kung di "defective technology" hehehe! sobra rin sila sa marketing tulad ng BOSE, magagaling daw sa reviews... pero I doubt based on my friends actual expirience with them.... 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: saki on Feb 10, 2006 at 11:35 PM
medyo OT na sa topic to pero yan ang prob ng def tech, 2 of my fellow HT friends has a pro 80 at parehas silang nagka problema, hindi lang ang sub ang nag kakaproblema, pati yung sat nila laging busted yung midbass driver.

yung pro 80 kahit na 135W/max "DAW" ang kaya. Eh sa particular AVR na 135max din ginamit ng friend ko pero nasira pa din eh. yung fuse naman ganun din ang ginawa nila, pag iba ang fuse rating na gagamitin instead of the factory stock. (used a higher amp) nasira yung internal electronic ng amp. hindi siguro immediately pero eventually parang umiksi ang amp life nila. 

yun ang design flaw ng first generation pro80. 1 of my friend waited for 3 mos just to replace the whole amp section ng sub. kaya yung distro ng Deftech dito sa Pinas umaayaw dahil sa bukod na mahina ang sales, yung quality pa ng electronics parang mahina rin. actually biniro ko pa siya hindi dapat "definitive technology" ang brand nila kung di "defective technology" hehehe! sobra rin sila sa marketing tulad ng BOSE, magagaling daw sa reviews... pero I doubt based on my friends actual expirience with them.... 

sir, thank you so much for the info, medyo nag-alala nga lang ako. well sana humaba buhay ng speakers ko, otherwise bye with my 40k+. kaya pala halos wala na ako makita sa market ngayon. sayang, actually ganda naman talaga ng sound quality ng def tech. thanks again sir. can you advise me how can i prolong it's life? beside from not using it (hehehe!) at least if there's any idea to maintain it. thanks again sir.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 11, 2006 at 04:38 PM
Gudpm sir hanns1976!

      Makikisawsaw lang po... :)   Yung definitive ba na tinutukoy mo is also a speaker?  Tnx. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 12, 2006 at 01:52 PM
Gudpm sir hanns1976!

      Makikisawsaw lang po... :)   Yung definitive ba na tinutukoy mo is also a speaker?  Tnx. :)

yup speakers yun. heres the link www.definitivetechnology.com yung subsat nila medyo sablay. just dont know about their floor stander at box system... 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 12, 2006 at 02:22 PM
sir, thank you so much for the info, medyo nag-alala nga lang ako. well sana humaba buhay ng speakers ko, otherwise bye with my 40k+. kaya pala halos wala na ako makita sa market ngayon. sayang, actually ganda naman talaga ng sound quality ng def tech. thanks again sir. can you advise me how can i prolong it's life? beside from not using it (hehehe!) at least if there's any idea to maintain it. thanks again sir.

Maganda naman talaga ang speakers specs ng Definitive, isipin mo 30khz! tapos 18hz! WOW kaya nga medyo ang lupit ng freq range ng speakers eh, I doubt lang kung maririnig pa natin yung ganun freq. anyways, yung friend ko ang ginawa niya may dedicated na AutoVoltReg. sa sub niya na rated at 2kva. yun medyo okey na.

Pero you know? before the damage happens to his pro80,  I advise him not to use the sub sat configuration. ganto kasi yun...

yung sattellites kasi ng pro80 is small diba? I advised him to connect it directly sa receiver then set it to small tapos yung sub gamitin nalang niya ang preout ng L/R and the LFE ng receiver, directly connect the RCA from receiver to sub. para ma stabilize ang voltage gain. kasi ang ginawa niya yung speaker out kinabit na muna niya sa sub then sa sattellites, so parang nagkaroon ng cascading effect. kasi bukod sa RCA out the receiver, naka connect din yung speakers out ng receiver sa sub.

eh my question is, variable ang signal ng speaker out terminal ng receiver, so paano ma cocompensate ng amp section ng sub yun eh isipin mo min of 100Watts yun lumalabas sa receiver, and "God knows" kung ilang voltage gain ang pumapasok dun sa amp ng sub. kaya I think thats one thing kung bakit nasisira yung amp section ng subwoofer nila.

Imagine this connecting yung speakers out terminals ng recevier to another amplifier. what do you think will happen? eh di sunog ang amp section ng receiver... kasi hindi naman sila design to receive such signal kahit sabihin pa nila sa tech spec ng sub yun hindi pa rin nila masasabi dahil iba iba ang ginagamit na receiver (tech spec) ng end user...             
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 12, 2006 at 03:12 PM
yup speakers yun. heres the link www.definitivetechnology.com yung subsat nila medyo sablay. just dont know about their floor stander at box system... 

Thanks for the info sir hanns1976... :)  I also have an hk235 can you give me an advice what kind of  (8ohms) speaker na medyo budget ang price nya pero ok ang performance... :) BTW 50\50 po ako between music and movie. Thanks alot.... :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: saki on Feb 12, 2006 at 03:39 PM
Maganda naman talaga ang speakers specs ng Definitive, isipin mo 30khz! tapos 18hz! WOW kaya nga medyo ang lupit ng freq range ng speakers eh, I doubt lang kung maririnig pa natin yung ganun freq. anyways, yung friend ko ang ginawa niya may dedicated na AutoVoltReg. sa sub niya na rated at 2kva. yun medyo okey na.

Pero you know? before the damage happens to his pro80,  I advise him not to use the sub sat configuration. ganto kasi yun...

yung sattellites kasi ng pro80 is small diba? I advised him to connect it directly sa receiver then set it to small tapos yung sub gamitin nalang niya ang preout ng L/R and the LFE ng receiver, directly connect the RCA from receiver to sub. para ma stabilize ang voltage gain. kasi ang ginawa niya yung speaker out kinabit na muna niya sa sub then sa sattellites, so parang nagkaroon ng cascading effect. kasi bukod sa RCA out the receiver, naka connect din yung speakers out ng receiver sa sub.

eh my question is, variable ang signal ng speaker out terminal ng receiver, so paano ma cocompensate ng amp section ng sub yun eh isipin mo min of 100Watts yun lumalabas sa receiver, and "God knows" kung ilang voltage gain ang pumapasok dun sa amp ng sub. kaya I think thats one thing kung bakit nasisira yung amp section ng subwoofer nila.

Imagine this connecting yung speakers out terminals ng recevier to another amplifier. what do you think will happen? eh di sunog ang amp section ng receiver... kasi hindi naman sila design to receive such signal kahit sabihin pa nila sa tech spec ng sub yun hindi pa rin nila masasabi dahil iba iba ang ginagamit na receiver (tech spec) ng end user...             

sir hanns, thanks again! actually that's the way i set it up from the start, directly the speaker to the ampli, set in small speakers. sir hanns tanong lang  uli, ho can a good or expensive speaker cable effects the sound? mag palit sana ako ng wire, yun xlo/vdo er-11. how will it effect my wharfs 9.2 with hk avr 335 for audio stereo set-up? thanks po again.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 12, 2006 at 03:42 PM
Thanks for the info sir hanns1976... :)  I also have an hk235 can you give me an advice what kind of  (8ohms) speaker na medyo budget ang price nya pero ok ang performance... :) BTW 50\50 po ako between music and movie. Thanks alot.... :)

Depende sa speakers. kung sa local, Dai-ichi goes for a mile from other local brands, particularly Euros 8 set up, pero nasa 6 ohms to, pero kayang kaya ng HK mo yan. sa imported naman go for the Wharfs. kevlar driver at an affordable price...

Dont worry too much sa impedance as long as hindi bumababa sa 4 ohms...

If you decide to go for other brands. just a tip. try looking for a higher sensitivity (db) para mas madali i-drive ng AVR.

Ako kasi, I decided to go for a Professional Speakers, ginagamit ko ito sa Videoke. eh alam mo naman pag ganun sound application, eh dapat sanay sa bugbugan ang speakers plus dapat kaya niya ma-witheld ang microphone feeds... pero syempre pinili ko rin naman yung match sa receiver ko (Yamaha RX-V995). 20% Videoke, 30%Music, 50%HT ako hehehe!      
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 12, 2006 at 03:53 PM
sir hanns, thanks again! actually that's the way i set it up from the start, directly the speaker to the ampli, set in small speakers. sir hanns tanong lang  uli, ho can a good or expensive speaker cable effects the sound? mag palit sana ako ng wire, yun xlo/vdo er-11. how will it effect my wharfs 9.2 with hk avr 335 for audio stereo set-up? thanks po again.

Expensive cables usually conductivity rate at brand ang binibili dun plus yung accreditation (eg.THX cert.) but for performance basta O2 free siya at medyo thick okey naman sa performance. sometimes yung iba gumagamit pa ng gold at silver wires maganda kasi yung conductivity rate eh. yung Oxyfree kasi na lelessen yung deterioration like slow oxydation. so ang nagyayari nagkakaroon din ng deterioration ang sound. yun ang difference sa performance na good quality wires vs. dun sa generic brands. at talagang ma nonotice mo ang difference sa sound. plus gamit ka ng thicker wires para maganda yung conductivity.

just a tip use equal length to all your speaker wires (L,C,R,SR,SB) para yung sound distribution walang delay at maganda ang steering. kasi kahit papaano meron travel distance ang sound from your receiver to your speakers. so imagine kung hindi equal yung length ng cables eh di iba iba rin ang arrival from amp to speakers.  ;)   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: saki on Feb 12, 2006 at 04:14 PM
Expensive cables usually conductivity rate at brand ang binibili dun plus yung accreditation (eg.THX cert.) but for performance basta O2 free siya at medyo thick okey naman sa performance. sometimes yung iba gumagamit pa ng gold at silver wires maganda kasi yung conductivity rate eh. yung Oxyfree kasi na lelessen yung deterioration like slow oxydation. so ang nagyayari nagkakaroon din ng deterioration ang sound. yun ang difference sa performance na good quality wires vs. dun sa generic brands. at talagang ma nonotice mo ang difference sa sound. plus gamit ka ng thicker wires para maganda yung conductivity.

just a tip use equal length to all your speaker wires (L,C,R,SR,SB) para yung sound distribution walang delay at maganda ang steering. kasi kahit papaano meron travel distance ang sound from your receiver to your speakers. so imagine kung hindi equal yung length ng cables eh di iba iba rin ang arrival from amp to speakers.  ;)   


sir hanns, kasi dapat mag set up  din ako ng dedicated for audio that's why i bought another pair of speaker which is wharfes 9.2. sabi nung kaibigan natin sa what hi-fi store, located at makati square, wag na daw ako bumili pa ng integrated amp kasi malakas na nga raw yun hk 335, he advised me to use a good quality speaker cable instead dahil with ordinary speaker wire sakal daw ang power ng amp, and listened to him. at first i used the xlo/vdo 14, bi-wire, and i noticed the clarity and details ng sound yun nga lang masyado naging bright, masakit na sa tenga, i remved the bi-wire and it sounds better. i returned the extra wire to them and told me to try the xlo/vdo 11, it's a 12 gauge, thicker than the er14 which is 14 gauge, and am waiting for it now. hope it'll sound much much better kasi double price yun nung lower gauge. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 12, 2006 at 05:37 PM
Depende sa speakers. kung sa local, Dai-ichi goes for a mile from other local brands, particularly Euros 8 set up, pero nasa 6 ohms to, pero kayang kaya ng HK mo yan. sa imported naman go for the Wharfs. kevlar driver at an affordable price...

Dont worry too much sa impedance as long as hindi bumababa sa 4 ohms...

If you decide to go for other brands. just a tip. try looking for a higher sensitivity (db) para mas madali i-drive ng AVR.

Ako kasi, I decided to go for a Professional Speakers, ginagamit ko ito sa Videoke. eh alam mo naman pag ganun sound application, eh dapat sanay sa bugbugan ang speakers plus dapat kaya niya ma-witheld ang microphone feeds... pero syempre pinili ko rin naman yung match sa receiver ko (Yamaha RX-V995). 20% Videoke, 30%Music, 50%HT ako hehehe!      

Thanks ulit... :) I go for wharfedale diamond 9 siries nalan sir... ;D  Masyado po kasi ko masunurin and takot baka kasi in the long or short run bumigay either my speaker or my receiver e. Hirap ata mag-ipon...  ;D   Hehehehehe... ;D

Advice naman po ulit kung ano yung mas ok na setup for my HK235? I Want to maximized kasi yung power ng reciever ko e. :)

Front speaker :   Diamond 9.4, 9.5 or 9.6
Center speaker:  Diamond 9cs or 9cm
Surround:          Diamond DFS
Sub:                 US Audio (any recommendation)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 12, 2006 at 08:40 PM

sir hanns, kasi dapat mag set up  din ako ng dedicated for audio that's why i bought another pair of speaker which is wharfes 9.2. sabi nung kaibigan natin sa what hi-fi store, located at makati square, wag na daw ako bumili pa ng integrated amp kasi malakas na nga raw yun hk 335, he advised me to use a good quality speaker cable instead dahil with ordinary speaker wire sakal daw ang power ng amp, and listened to him. at first i used the xlo/vdo 14, bi-wire, and i noticed the clarity and details ng sound yun nga lang masyado naging bright, masakit na sa tenga, i remved the bi-wire and it sounds better. i returned the extra wire to them and told me to try the xlo/vdo 11, it's a 12 gauge, thicker than the er14 which is 14 gauge, and am waiting for it now. hope it'll sound much much better kasi double price yun nung lower gauge. 

Well lets see. pero yung gauge 14 is already thick. you know why naging bright yung wharfs? bec the way you bi-wire the terminals... as an advise, dont use the gold biwire jumper... try mo to...

Diba yung wharfs 9.2 has 2 terminals? one for the hi and one for the midbass? ganto... use 2 cables on each channel (2 cables for left and 2 cables for the right)... then yung one set of cables for the left connect it parallel same din sa right, tapos connect it on each receivers terminal *WAG BRIDGE HA?* so left and right pa rin, bale 2 cable on each channel. tapos yung other end of the cables leave you with 2 end ( 2 positive and 2 negative) terminal... gamitin mo yung isa cable for the hi and the other for the mid-bass...

lets see, madami na ako ginawan ng ganitong connection and the sound changed dramatically... 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 12, 2006 at 08:57 PM
Thanks ulit... :) I go for wharfedale diamond 9 siries nalan sir... ;D  Masyado po kasi ko masunurin and takot baka kasi in the long or short run bumigay either my speaker or my receiver e. Hirap ata mag-ipon...  ;D   Hehehehehe... ;D

Advice naman po ulit kung ano yung mas ok na setup for my HK235? I Want to maximized kasi yung power ng reciever ko e. :)

Front speaker :   Diamond 9.4, 9.5 or 9.6
Center speaker:  Diamond 9cs or 9cm
Surround:          Diamond DFS
Sub:                 US Audio (any recommendation)

for me, if budget allows, I'll be havin this:

L/R: DIAMOND 9.5 (30-150W) 88db, 6ohms - I choose this bec. I wanna go an extra mile. just in case an upgrade.  
Center: DIAMOND 9.CM (30 - 150W) 90db, 6ohms - and this bec. center is the most "Critical" on HT 100% usage.
Surround: DIAMOND 9.DFS (15 - 200W) 86db, 6ohms - and this bec. I wanna set my surround to large higher capacity.  Sub: SW250 (250W) if budget contraints go for the SW150 (150W) - better use Wharfs sub for sound consistency.  
 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 13, 2006 at 07:54 AM
for me, if budget allows, I'll be havin this:

L/R: DIAMOND 9.5 (30-150W) 88db, 6ohms - I choose this bec. I wanna go an extra mile. just in case an upgrade.  
Center: DIAMOND 9.CM (30 - 150W) 90db, 6ohms - and this bec. center is the most "Critical" on HT 100% usage.
Surround: DIAMOND 9.DFS (15 - 200W) 86db, 6ohms - and this bec. I wanna set my surround to large higher capacity.  Sub: SW250 (250W) if budget contraints go for the SW150 (150W) - better use Wharfs sub for sound consistency.  
 

sir hanns malaki po ba ang difference ng 9cs sa 9cm? Bakit po madalas 9.5 and 9cs ang magka partner and 9.6 and 9cm?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JT on Feb 13, 2006 at 11:26 AM
Anyone using AVR330? How was it compared to Yamaha or Marantz 7.1 amps.  Thanks.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: @nk71 on Feb 13, 2006 at 12:58 PM
Hi Im planning to buy HK 235 or a Yammy 657 for an upgrade...How much kaya ngayn ang HK 235, any advices will be highly appreciated...thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Feb 13, 2006 at 01:07 PM
Just got me a new HK135 last Friday! I am so happy with the decision I made. My Diamonds sounded better. Lumawak ang tunog. Bass got lower and I love the output of it's center and surrounds. My daughter and I were watching Zathura last Sat when I almost spilled my coffee at a certain highly surrounded part of the movie. he he  Sounds fantastic. Its much better than the New Yamaha 657. Just me though. Still trying to master its capabilities.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Feb 13, 2006 at 02:08 PM
sir, whats the nominal impedance for HK135? can it drive a 4 ohm speaker?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 13, 2006 at 03:27 PM
Hi Im planning to buy HK 235 or a Yammy 657 for an upgrade...How much kaya ngayn ang HK 235, any advices will be highly appreciated...thanks

Last month i also bought my HK235 at digital dreams at sm carpark. They gave me at 26000 flat (cash price). Last friday  i went to spectra to audition the Diamond 9 series and I also ask them how much the HK235 26,500(cash price) sa kanila... Nice choice yan bro. Ako nga speaker pa lan ng mini compo namin gamit ko ngayon pero happy nko sa tunog nya, what more kung may speaker na talga ko na dedicated for my receiver. hehehehe... :)  Excited na nga ako makabili ng speaker e. Anyway Haba na sinabi ko simple lan namn tanong..... ;D   Happy Hunting... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 13, 2006 at 03:30 PM
Just got me a new HK135 last Friday! I am so happy with the decision I made. My Diamonds sounded better. Lumawak ang tunog. Bass got lower and I love the output of it's center and surrounds. My daughter and I were watching Zathura last Sat when I almost spilled my coffee at a certain highly surrounded part of the movie. he he  Sounds fantastic. Its much better than the New Yamaha 657. Just me though. Still trying to master its capabilities.

Congrats bro! Enjoy! ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Feb 13, 2006 at 03:32 PM
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sir, whats the nominal impedance for HK135? can it drive a 4 ohm speaker?

Hey knefut. Kamusta? Your 9cs sounds great with my I35. I already asked this question with Jose of SPECTRA. He said oks lang daw kabitan ng 4ohm driver though its a 8ohm avr.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Feb 13, 2006 at 03:35 PM
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Congrats bro! Enjoy!

Thanks spy45cal. I have and and I long will be. he he he. 


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 13, 2006 at 03:56 PM
sir hanns malaki po ba ang difference ng 9cs sa 9cm? Bakit po madalas 9.5 and 9cs ang magka partner and 9.6 and 9cm?

Wharf 9cm for me is better. it is rated at 90db so madali ma-idrive the amp. plus medyo mataas ang power capacity. eh sa HT naman more of the program runs on the dialogue. almostly 100% usage, so medyo critical ang center, dapat at least mag boses human or ma mimic niya yung tonal voice. not mentioning pag nagkakaroon ng effects, yung center bugbog talaga so thats why I choose this model over the lower model. thats the role of the center for vocal dialogue on the HT others are just sidelines.

Just a Tip: let your surrounds height placement be lowered at least maximum height is 6FT or 1.8m. but not lower than 36inches. this is for the height sound level. para maganda ang steering ng the whole speakers system.  remember your ears are slightly +/- 45deg bent forward. so most of the captured sound from your fronts arrive early than the rear effects to your ears. so slightly adjust the rears higher db than your fronts. dont worry it wont over power your fronts bec most of the HT program the surrounds are quiet or silent. minsan lang magkaroon ng peak.               

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Feb 13, 2006 at 04:37 PM
Hey knefut. Kamusta? Your 9cs sounds great with my 135. I already asked this question with Jose of SPECTRA. He said oks lang daw kabitan ng 4ohm driver though its a 8ohm avr.

congrats on your new set up.

i'm starting on a new setup and i'm hoping to get a 235 for a speaker set being advertised at the ads section and 686 dvd player.

thanks for the answer to my quesry. i just like to be sure kc 8 ohms yung nakalagay sa back panel ng 235.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Feb 13, 2006 at 04:54 PM
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congrats on your new set up.

i'm starting on a new setup and i'm hoping to get a 235 for a speaker set being advertised at the ads section and 686 dvd player.

thanks for the answer to my quesry. i just like to be sure kc 8 ohms yung nakalagay sa back panel ng 235.

Wow! 235 sana kukunin ko pero 135 lang talaga kaya ng budget. Anyways. Thanks and goodluck! PIKIT-MATA KUNIN MO NA 235!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 13, 2006 at 05:03 PM
Wharf 9cm for me is better. it is rated at 90db so madali ma-idrive the amp. plus medyo mataas ang power capacity. eh sa HT naman more of the program runs on the dialogue. almostly 100% usage, so medyo critical ang center, dapat at least mag boses human or ma mimic niya yung tonal voice. not mentioning pag nagkakaroon ng effects, yung center bugbog talaga so thats why I choose this model over the lower model. thats the role of the center for vocal dialogue on the HT others are just sidelines.

Just a Tip: let your surrounds height placement be lowered at least maximum height is 6FT or 1.8m. but not lower than 36inches. this is for the height sound level. para maganda ang steering ng the whole speakers system.  remember your ears are slightly +/- 45deg bent forward. so most of the captured sound from your fronts arrive early than the rear effects to your ears. so slightly adjust the rears higher db than your fronts. dont worry it wont over power your fronts bec most of the HT program the surrounds are quiet or silent. minsan lang magkaroon ng peak.               

Thanks sa advice sir Hanns.... ;D  More power... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 13, 2006 at 05:08 PM
Sir danrd  ask ko lan po kung ano speaker gamit mo.... :) Tnx... :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Feb 13, 2006 at 05:17 PM
Fronts: Diamond 9.2
Center: Diamond cs
rear: Wh2
Sub: Tweaked DQ12 (which I plan to sell btw) he he.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Feb 13, 2006 at 05:38 PM
Maraming salamat sa mga sumagot sa mga tanong ko re HK135.

Pls welcome me HK ppl... im a proud owner of a HK135 hehe

 :)

Mga bro, anong recommended nyong spkrs para dito? meron na ba kong mkukuhang floorstanders na matino for 10 k? magkano ba ung wharfedale 9.6?

salamat po ult
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 13, 2006 at 06:37 PM
Fronts: Diamond 9.2
Center: Diamond cs
rear: Wh2
Sub: Tweaked DQ12 (which I plan to sell btw) he he.

pm mo naman sakin yung picture and how much mo benta. :) tnx. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 13, 2006 at 06:42 PM
Maraming salamat sa mga sumagot sa mga tanong ko re HK135.

Pls welcome me HK ppl... im a proud owner of a HK135 hehe

 :)

Mga bro, anong recommended nyong spkrs para dito? meron na ba kong mkukuhang floorstanders na matino for 10 k? magkano ba ung wharfedale 9.6?

salamat po ult

Tawag ka sa spectrum 8940130... :)

Diamond 9.5      17+
Diamond 9.5      12,500
Diamond 9.4       Below 10k
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: X-®an™ on Feb 14, 2006 at 12:06 PM

Mga bro, anong recommended nyong spkrs para dito? meron na ba kong mkukuhang floorstanders na matino for 10 k? magkano ba ung wharfedale 9.6?

salamat po ult


Euros8 towers  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: john9one on Feb 14, 2006 at 02:56 PM
....Mga bro, anong recommended nyong spkrs para dito? meron na ba kong mkukuhang floorstanders na matino for 10 k? ....

try this bro:

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=46179.0

floorstanders with center speaker na yan, its with my brother now.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Feb 14, 2006 at 04:15 PM
Mga bro kaya kaya ng 135 yung
diamond 9.6,9cm,tska 9dfs?

kasi baka uminit ng todo eh..bka maging frying pan si harmie ko

meron na kayong nakitang may ganun ang setup? tska anong recommended sub nyo sa set na to?

tnx ult!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Feb 14, 2006 at 04:16 PM

Euros8 towers  :)

naka 135 ka ren bro? magkano euros 8 bnew?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Feb 14, 2006 at 04:20 PM
Tawag ka sa spectrum 8940130... :)

Diamond 9.5      17+
Diamond 9.5      12,500
Diamond 9.4       Below 10k

salamat bro. dadalaw ako this weekend. ano setup mo? sensya na, newbie lng kasi ko gs2 ko malaman kung anong spkr setup para sa 135 ko
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Feb 14, 2006 at 04:36 PM
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Mga bro kaya kaya ng 135 yung
diamond 9.6,9cm,tska 9dfs?

kasi baka uminit ng todo eh..bka maging frying pan si harmie ko

meron na kayong nakitang may ganun ang setup? tska anong recommended sub nyo sa set na to?

tnx ult!!

I believe these are rated at 6ohms. Pwedeng pwede yan since 8ohms ang 135.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 14, 2006 at 05:55 PM
salamat bro. dadalaw ako this weekend. ano setup mo? sensya na, newbie lng kasi ko gs2 ko malaman kung anong spkr setup para sa 135 ko

Sorry bro... ;D  Mali ako ng type baka kung san ka mapunta ako pa may kasalanan.... ;D  Spectra park square 1 makati.... ;D

HK235
Diamond 9cm
Diamond 9.5 (pinag iipunan ko pa) hehehe... ;D
Diamond 9DFS (pinag iipunan ko pa din)
Sub ( Di ko pa alam e)

Pansamatala gamit ko muna yung 4  speakers ng mini compo namin for my front and surround.... ;D  Naubos kc budget ko for the speaker e, before kasi hk135 lan talga plano ko bilin kya lan nagbago isip ko kc walang pre-out so hk235 nalan kinuha ko para just in-case gusto ko mag upgrade madali nalan... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: X-®an™ on Feb 14, 2006 at 07:43 PM
naka 135 ka ren bro? magkano euros 8 bnew?


I don't own an HK 135.  Di pa dumarating yung Harman Kardon ko (courtesy of JT).  What you can do is try to bring your 135 dun sa Dai-1chi showroom either sa Megamall or Raon and have them connect their Euros8 towers.  Then decide if you like what you hear.  Sabi nga nila dito: "audition... audition... audition".

PhP 7,000 nga pala bili ko dun sa Euros8 towers ko.. last November.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: @nk71 on Feb 14, 2006 at 08:24 PM
Last month i also bought my HK235 at digital dreams at sm carpark. They gave me at 26000 flat (cash price). Last friday  i went to spectra to audition the Diamond 9 series and I also ask them how much the HK235 26,500(cash price) sa kanila... Nice choice yan bro. Ako nga speaker pa lan ng mini compo namin gamit ko ngayon pero happy nko sa tunog nya, what more kung may speaker na talga ko na dedicated for my receiver. hehehehe... :)  Excited na nga ako makabili ng speaker e. Anyway Haba na sinabi ko simple lan namn tanong..... ;D   Happy Hunting... ;D

thanks for d info...How about HK 135 magkano kaya ngayn....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EHMBU on Feb 14, 2006 at 09:38 PM
thanks for d info...How about HK 135 magkano kaya ngayn....

19500 cash price sa digital dreams sm carpark hanpin mo si loyd.... :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 14, 2006 at 10:03 PM
thanks for d info...How about HK 135 magkano kaya ngayn....

Digital Dreams  22,990 pag card... :)
19,500 cash price... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wavsubz on Feb 15, 2006 at 08:55 PM
Hi guys..count me in na rin sa mga proud users ng HK135 hehehe..tanung ko lang po kung pwede i-pair ang HK135 sa mga magnum speakers with 500watts? kasi  meron akong magnum speakers before na nabili sa raon when i was using an entry level setup..help naman po.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: @nk71 on Feb 15, 2006 at 09:53 PM
Digital Dreams  22,990 pag card... :)
19,500 cash price... ;D

thanks, I think I'll stretch my budget a bit and get HK 235 or Yammy 657 para 7.1 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Feb 16, 2006 at 10:25 AM
I was able to connect a tube pre amp to my HK AVR's cd input successfully last night.

I deactivated the DSP & surround mode and there, I got tube sound with SS amp.

It was great for jazz & vocals, but not that great for pop songs.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: saki on Feb 16, 2006 at 11:04 AM
Well lets see. pero yung gauge 14 is already thick. you know why naging bright yung wharfs? bec the way you bi-wire the terminals... as an advise, dont use the gold biwire jumper... try mo to...

Diba yung wharfs 9.2 has 2 terminals? one for the hi and one for the midbass? ganto... use 2 cables on each channel (2 cables for left and 2 cables for the right)... then yung one set of cables for the left connect it parallel same din sa right, tapos connect it on each receivers terminal *WAG BRIDGE HA?* so left and right pa rin, bale 2 cable on each channel. tapos yung other end of the cables leave you with 2 end ( 2 positive and 2 negative) terminal... gamitin mo yung isa cable for the hi and the other for the mid-bass...

lets see, madami na ako ginawan ng ganitong connection and the sound changed dramatically... 
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sir hanns, that's what i did. anyways inalis ko na yun bi-wire and am using now the xlo/vdo er11 to my wharfs 9.2 for music, it's the 12gauge speaker cable, and really sounds great para ako naka sub or floorstander. yun 14gauge i'm using it for my promonitor 80 (front LR) and procenter 100, and it gives me much more clarity for my movie set-up. sir thank so much! more power to hk users!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: yvesjae on Feb 16, 2006 at 11:49 AM
I have a AVR135. What would be more preferrable to use, the 5.1 Analog In or Coaxial/Optical connections?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 16, 2006 at 12:02 PM
I have a AVR135. What would be more preferrable to use, the 5.1 Analog In or Coaxial/Optical connections?

Optical the best for 100% conductivity, the problem is the cable tension, dont bend the fiber optic in excess of 50mm in diameter in order to maintain its data signal.

by the way AUDIO PRO XAP-OP0710 fiber optic cable is around Php350 and its great on audio and in HT.

heres the features:
Innovative award winning design.
Highly non-migratory noise free fiber optical.
24k superior quality connectors.
2 universal conversion adapter included.
     
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 16, 2006 at 12:06 PM
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sir hanns, that's what i did. anyways inalis ko na yun bi-wire and am using now the xlo/vdo er11 to my wharfs 9.2 for music, it's the 12gauge speaker cable, and really sounds great para ako naka sub or floorstander. yun 14gauge i'm using it for my promonitor 80 (front LR) and procenter 100, and it gives me much more clarity for my movie set-up. sir thank so much! more power to hk users!

galing! gauge 12 ayos yan... pang professional na yan ganyan gauge...  ;) mas maganda siguro yung materials used dyan sa XLO/VDO ER11. kaya mas okey ang conductivity from receiver to speakers mo...   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ricky on Feb 16, 2006 at 12:29 PM
I was able to connect a tube pre amp to my HK AVR's cd input successfully last night.

I deactivated the DSP & surround mode and there, I got tube sound with SS amp.

It was great for jazz & vocals, but not that great for pop songs.

Hindi lahat ng tube pangit sa pop pare,you just have to get the right tube compliments or model ng tube to play the music you prefer.I bet mas ok yung tube cdp at hk combo mo ;D why not audition it para wala na gumugulo sa isip mo? ;D ;D ;D ;D (saan yung devil icon)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: yvesjae on Feb 16, 2006 at 12:30 PM
Optical the best for 100% conductivity, the problem is the cable tension, dont bend the fiber optic in excess of 50mm in diameter in order to maintain its data signal.

by the way AUDIO PRO XAP-OP0710 fiber optic cable is around Php350 and its great on audio and in HT.

heres the features:
Innovative award winning design.
Highly non-migratory noise free fiber optical.
24k superior quality connectors.
2 universal conversion adapter included.
     

yep, I just saw these at Ace Hardware, though I think they're selling it at a much higher price.
what do you mean by not bending the fiber optic in excess of 50mm in diameter?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 16, 2006 at 12:38 PM
yep, I just saw these at Ace Hardware, though I think they're selling it at a much higher price.
what do you mean by not bending the fiber optic in excess of 50mm in diameter?

sa raon mura lang Php.350... yung excess of 50mm in diameter, yung cable hindi siya pede in bend ng hanggang 50mm dimeter circle... 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Feb 16, 2006 at 12:42 PM
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I have a AVR135. What would be more preferrable to use, the 5.1 Analog In or Coaxial/Optical connections?

I have been using optical ever since I had my first avr. But Jose of SPECTRA made me change my mind when I bought my 135 A week ago. He told me that Coax is the best daw "Mas malawak ang tunog. Manipis kasi ang tunog ng optical  he stressed. Well I tried and it does, but not at all times. May movies na mas maganda and optical kesa coax. I'll try and get one branded coax baka mas malaki difference.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 16, 2006 at 12:52 PM
I have been using optical ever since I had my first avr. But Jose of SPECTRA made me change my mind when I bought my 135 A week ago. He told me that Coax is the best daw "Mas malawak ang tunog. Manipis kasi ang tunog ng optical  he stressed. Well I tried and it does, but not at all times. May movies na mas maganda and optical kesa coax. I'll try and get one branded coax baka mas malaki difference.

try mo MONSTER OPTICAL CABLE yung THX certified... lets see kung masmaganda nga ang transfer ng coax vs optical... ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Feb 16, 2006 at 01:14 PM
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try mo MONSTER OPTICAL CABLE yung THX certified... lets see kung masmaganda nga ang transfer ng coax vs optical...

Actually someone is offered an Acoustic Research coax cable. Oks kaya yun?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 16, 2006 at 01:23 PM
Actually someone is offered an Acoustic Research coax cable. Oks kaya yun?

Actually hindi naman masyado nagkakalayo ang performance ng Coax and Fiber Optic mas mabilis lang ang Optical kasi speed of light ang signal. yung AR Optical cable naman oks din sa performance, pero yung Monster Ultra THX 1000 optical cable nung na audition ko talagang ang laki ng difference dun sa regular. mas malaki ang tunog saka yung actual display ng movies parang sakto sakto sa movement and effects ng movies saka yung sound sabay na sabay...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 16, 2006 at 01:50 PM
Gudpm sir hanns... :)
I got my 9cm yesterday... ;D
Can you help me setting up the crossover frequency of my hk235 and what size should i use large or small?
Another question is how to break in the speaker properly? May nabasa kasi ako na may nabibili pa daw na cd to break-in the speaker accurately...
Tnx... :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Feb 16, 2006 at 01:59 PM
instead of connecting it to the CD in - try connecting it to the Amp in (after removing the jumpers from pre-out to amp in)
not sure if you have this - but my HK5500 does

this way the HK acts as a SS power amp, less interference of the tube preamps characteristics :)

I was able to connect a tube pre amp to my HK AVR's cd input successfully last night.

I deactivated the DSP & surround mode and there, I got tube sound with SS amp.

It was great for jazz & vocals, but not that great for pop songs.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: natural on Feb 16, 2006 at 02:13 PM
I hooked up a Wharf Diamond 9SR to my HK 135 last night so the surround icon should light up in the HK display, right?

Wala kasing lumabas, although when watching Mr and Mrs Smith the SR and SL icons lumabas, but no box icon around them.

How do I test these surround speakers? I'm using a ga14 Audio Pro cable bought at Ace.

Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 16, 2006 at 03:26 PM
Gudpm sir hanns... :)
I got my 9cm yesterday... ;D
Can you help me setting up the crossover frequency of my hk235 and what size should i use large or small?
Another question is how to break in the speaker properly? May nabasa kasi ako na may nabibili pa daw na cd to break-in the speaker accurately...
Tnx... :)

Uyy Congrats! magkano bili mo?

Anyways yung sa question mo, set it to 70hz large to have all the full freq. coz when you set it to small. freq from 90hz below will be cutoff. Wharfs CM freq range is from 70hz to 24khz. anyways meron naman cross over yan so to eliminate distortion. giving dedicated freq on ea. driver.

Yung break in period nyan is medyo matagal so dun naman sa cd na pang breakin ndi ko lang alam kung saan nakakabili nun, anyways still the proper playing volume and number of hour should be performed. yung sound nyan from first is medyo sharp pero as time breakin gaganda yan. just be patient saka wag mo muna itodo just adequate volumes lang muna. pag na proper burn na yung voice coils nyan at yung surround suspension nyan eh na kung baga na sanay na. gaganda yan...

start playing it na para mag simula na yung burn in time nyan...  :)

   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Feb 16, 2006 at 03:33 PM
I hooked up a Wharf Diamond 9SR to my HK 135 last night so the surround icon should light up in the HK display, right?

Wala kasing lumabas, although when watching Mr and Mrs Smith the SR and SL icons lumabas, but no box icon around them.

How do I test these surround speakers? I'm using a ga14 Audio Pro cable bought at Ace.

Thanks.

press the TEST button on the remote. dapat may lalabas na signal sa lahat ng channel. paikot yun.

or sa speaker settings set LARGE or SMALL sa SL at SR.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 16, 2006 at 03:45 PM
press the TEST button on the remote. dapat may lalabas na signal sa lahat ng channel. paikot yun.

or sa speaker settings set LARGE or SMALL sa SL at SR.

Parehas din sa yamaha, when "test" button is pressed. may pink noise na lalabas on each speakers. L/C/R/SR/SL... 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 16, 2006 at 04:39 PM
Uyy Congrats! magkano bili mo?

Anyways yung sa question mo, set it to 70hz large to have all the full freq. coz when you set it to small. freq from 90hz below will be cutoff. Wharfs CM freq range is from 70hz to 24khz. anyways meron naman cross over yan so to eliminate distortion. giving dedicated freq on ea. driver.

Yung break in period nyan is medyo matagal so dun naman sa cd na pang breakin ndi ko lang alam kung saan nakakabili nun, anyways still the proper playing volume and number of hour should be performed. yung sound nyan from first is medyo sharp pero as time breakin gaganda yan. just be patient saka wag mo muna itodo just adequate volumes lang muna. pag na proper burn na yung voice coils nyan at yung surround suspension nyan eh na kung baga na sanay na. gaganda yan...

start playing it na para mag simula na yung burn in time nyan...  :)

   

Thanks sir Hanns... ;D 
6,300 sa spectra free delivery pa... :) Bait nga ni sir lesly e... :)
Kya lan bakit ganun wala syang kasamang extra 4 feets para just incase gusto mo sya tilt?

Pano nga pala yun sir hanns walang 70hz? 60hz and 80hz lang meron sa crossover frequency e?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: yvesjae on Feb 16, 2006 at 05:32 PM
Thanks sir Hanns... ;D 
6,300 sa spectra free delivery pa... :) Bait nga ni sir lesly e... :)
Kya lan bakit ganun wala syang kasamang extra 4 feets para just incase gusto mo sya tilt?

Pano nga pala yun sir hanns walang 70hz? 60hz and 80hz lang meron sa crossover frequency e?

sir, use 80hz for the crossover frequency. there will be a gap if you use 60hz.

by the way, does anyone know the DAC of the HK135. Is it 192/24 or 96/24? I can't seem to find it in the user's manual or HK website.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 16, 2006 at 05:39 PM
Thanks sir Hanns... ;D 
6,300 sa spectra free delivery pa... :) Bait nga ni sir lesly e... :)
Kya lan bakit ganun wala syang kasamang extra 4 feets para just incase gusto mo sya tilt?

Pano nga pala yun sir hanns walang 70hz? 60hz and 80hz lang meron sa crossover frequency e?

Galing talaga ng sevice sa spectra, anyways go for the 60hz. meron naman passive electronic xover yan CM's eh...

dont worry about the rubber feet meron nabibili 3M ganda pa ng quality. available siya sa ACE hardware...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 16, 2006 at 05:48 PM
kse pag 80hz ginamit mo. yung CM's kasi is up to 70hz so medyo ninipis ang tunog unlike sa 60hz kahit ma filter ng CM's hanggang 70hz at least pasok at kumpleto sa freq range ng CM's. remember 70hz to 24khz yan... so medyo malawak ang range...   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 16, 2006 at 08:34 PM
sir, use 80hz for the crossover frequency. there will be a gap if you use 60hz.

by the way, does anyone know the DAC of the HK135. Is it 192/24 or 96/24? I can't seem to find it in the user's manual or HK website.

ok sir yvesjae thanks for the advice.... :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 16, 2006 at 08:40 PM
Galing talaga ng sevice sa spectra, anyways go for the 60hz. meron naman passive electronic xover yan CM's eh...

dont worry about the rubber feet meron nabibili 3M ganda pa ng quality. available siya sa ACE hardware...

May nakapag sabi sakin na wag ko daw sasagad yung frequency range ng speaker kasi daw masyadong mapupwersa yung speaker kasi daw magpoproduce daw sya ng bass na hindi nya kaya.... Whats your opinion sir hanns? 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 16, 2006 at 08:44 PM
kse pag 80hz ginamit mo. yung CM's kasi is up to 70hz so medyo ninipis ang tunog unlike sa 60hz kahit ma filter ng CM's hanggang 70hz at least pasok at kumpleto sa freq range ng CM's. remember 70hz to 24khz yan... so medyo malawak ang range...   

Actually sir dont know anything about those freq range e... :)  Di kaya mapwersa ng husto yung speaker? 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 16, 2006 at 09:55 PM
May nakapag sabi sakin na wag ko daw sasagad yung frequency range ng speaker kasi daw masyadong mapupwersa yung speaker kasi daw magpoproduce daw sya ng bass na hindi nya kaya.... Whats your opinion sir hanns? 

Who told you that? kaya nga may freq range ang speakers eh, at indicated ito sa tech specs nung speakers mismo para may idea yung gagamit kung hanggang saan yung range capacity niya. by the way heres an idea. If you notice meron speakers na gumagamit ng electronic crossover diba?, dalawang klase ito active at passive. yung sa wharfs CM particularly passive. yung use nito is to filter the freq na papasok sa speakers. so dito palang sala na yung signal na kayakayanin ng speakers so paano masisira ito kung isasagad mo yung freq range ng amp? unless itotodo mo talga ang volume at lalagpas sa 150Wmaximum range ng speakers...   

Sa nag sasabi naman sayo na pangit isagad ang freq range ng speakers vs amp capabilities eh. sana isipin muna kung para saan ang mga freq spec nito at bakit ito inindicate ng mga speakers manufacturers at para saan ito. kasi for all I know its there to give a user guide para maiwasan ang damage sa speakers at magamit ang full performance capabilities ng speakers it self...

Syempre para maiwasan ang pagkasira ng speakers gagamit ka ng mag fifit or yung susuitable for the speakers capacity and the amps output range. kung imiminimize mo lang ito sayang ang gears mo. pero nasasayo yun. diba kaya tayo bumibili ng mga ganitong gears is for our entertainment, kung pigil parang kulang or bitin diba? in reality nasa pag gamit mo yan talga. pero diba mas maganda kung ma maximize mo yung performance ng gears mo at the same time maingat sa pagamit...           
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: natural on Feb 17, 2006 at 02:18 AM
press the TEST button on the remote. dapat may lalabas na signal sa lahat ng channel. paikot yun.

or sa speaker settings set LARGE or SMALL sa SL at SR.

Thanks. It works. At last, they now have their HT so I can leave them alone with their movies.

It's time to ponder and plan my own audio setup. The Geforce 7800gt and AMD64 X2 upgrade is GONE from my list.  I like fast workstations, but I enjoy my music a lot.

Pinagsabihan na magastos itong pinasok, tira pa din. Heheh.





Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: yvesjae on Feb 17, 2006 at 09:57 AM
kse pag 80hz ginamit mo. yung CM's kasi is up to 70hz so medyo ninipis ang tunog unlike sa 60hz kahit ma filter ng CM's hanggang 70hz at least pasok at kumpleto sa freq range ng CM's. remember 70hz to 24khz yan... so medyo malawak ang range...   

sir correct me if i'm wrong. so kung 60hz ang x-over setting para sa CM, kaya nya hanggang 70hz di ba. pero paano yung sound na 60hz to 69hz? hindi sya napadala sa subs and gets lost, producing a gap in the sound.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 17, 2006 at 10:31 AM
sir correct me if i'm wrong. so kung 60hz ang x-over setting para sa CM, kaya nya hanggang 70hz di ba. pero paano yung sound na 60hz to 69hz? hindi sya napadala sa subs and gets lost, producing a gap in the sound.

subs are capable of producing kahit na 200hz. so kung iset mo yung sub upto 70hz hanggang dun siya mag proproduce ng sound. so from 70hz below ang sub ang magproproduce ng low freq. tapos yung 70hz above naman yung wharfs CM, so walang gap. meron silang meeting point na frequency. so doon nag kakatalo kung may timbre match. yung ang difference kung iba-iba klase na speakers ang gamit mo, syempre iba iba rin ang drivers nun. pero kung close sa mga meeting point freq yun, kahit iba-iba ang klaseng ng speakers magkakaroon kahit papaano ng tonal unity...

heres a trivia. diba ang audible hearing lang naman natin eh from 20hz to 20khz. so lower than 20hz medyo mararamdaman mo na gumagalaw ang mga bagay bagay sa loob ng bahay mo na hindi naka fixed. tapos kung higher than 20khz freq naman aabot kana minsan ng ultra sonic waves so solve ang pest problem ng bahay nyo dahil hindi kaya ng mga daga at insecto ang ganitong ultra high freq... hehehe!       
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 17, 2006 at 10:44 AM
sir correct me if i'm wrong. so kung 60hz ang x-over setting para sa CM, kaya nya hanggang 70hz di ba. pero paano yung sound na 60hz to 69hz? hindi sya napadala sa subs and gets lost, producing a gap in the sound.

by the way meron din naman setting ng xover ang AVR para sa sub bukod dun sa L/C/R at SR/SL... 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ragnar on Feb 17, 2006 at 11:24 AM
Yung crossover for the mid/bass, ang sinasala lang nya is the upper frequency range at hindi lower frequency range.  Let say sa CM mo, ang xover point ng midbass is 2k, ang pinapadala na frequency sa mid bass mo is 2k and lower.  Kung magpatugtog ka ng cd na may 20hz, pupunta yan sa midbass mo kasi upper frequency range ang sinasala nya and hindi lower frequency range.

Ang rating na 70hz, hindi ibig sabihin non walang frequency na lower than 70hz and papasok sa speakers.  Ang ibig sabihin nito, ito ang frequency na kaya nyang iproduce na audible.  Papasok pa rin ang 20hz dito pero ang ilalabas nyang tunog ay around 70hz pa rin kasi yung ang kaya nya ilabas (i.e. 2k and lower hindi 70hz and higher).

Who told you that? kaya nga may freq range ang speakers eh, at indicated ito sa tech specs nung speakers mismo para may idea yung gagamit kung hanggang saan yung range capacity niya. by the way heres an idea. If you notice meron speakers na gumagamit ng electronic crossover diba?, dalawang klase ito active at passive. yung sa wharfs CM particularly passive. yung use nito is to filter the freq na papasok sa speakers. so dito palang sala na yung signal na kayakayanin ng speakers so paano masisira ito kung isasagad mo yung freq range ng amp? unless itotodo mo talga ang volume at lalagpas sa 150Wmaximum range ng speakers...   
   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ragnar on Feb 17, 2006 at 11:37 AM
good quesyion yvesjae.

from the specs standpoint, tama ang hula mo.  dapat 70khz ang setting para exacto sa capacity ng CM mo, tapos form there, yung sub na ang pipick up ng 70hz and lower.  Siguraduhin mo lang na ang xover setting ng sub mo is  higher than 70hz :)

so dapat ba sa 70hz ang setting?? actually, hindi.  ang rating na 70hz ay nakuha sa labaratory ng wharfedale.  most likely, sa anechoic chamber yan, walang mga reflection.  so, yung CM mo, pag nasa actual room mo na, iba na ang frequency response nyan.  pwedeng mas mataas o mas mababa sa 70hz, depende yan sa interaction between your speakers and your room.  so ang tanong, anong setting ang tama? 

ang sagot, pakinggan mo! kung may cancellation sa room mo at may butas sa 70hz, baka maganda kung ang setting mo 80hz.  kung may reinforcement ang bass sa room mo, baka 60hz ang ok.  so, paglaruan mo kung ano ang tamang setting.  set with your ears, not with specs :) :) :) pakinggan mo kung saan walang boom, malinis at detalyado ang bass response :)

good luck!





sir correct me if i'm wrong. so kung 60hz ang x-over setting para sa CM, kaya nya hanggang 70hz di ba. pero paano yung sound na 60hz to 69hz? hindi sya napadala sa subs and gets lost, producing a gap in the sound.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 17, 2006 at 02:04 PM
tumpak! yun din naman yon. dapat i-laymans term natin... anyways, kaya its much better to judge it with your taste of hearing. Yung mga speaker manufacturers naman syempre bnigyan pansin din naman nila yung end user at hindi lang sa mga test equipment at testing rooms nila (eg. anechoic chamber) may tolerances yan so yung freq gap between your sub and sat (wharfs), eh may timbre matching naman so kahit gumamit ka ng full freq from your AVR. still sasalaain pa rin ng xover yan ng mga wharfs mo. anyways dont put too much attention on the freq coz most likely yung power ang dapat tignan mo ng pansin dahil yung maximum capacity ng whafs vs the HK AVR is at risk dahil remember FTC rated ang HK...

basta if you hear it na medyo nag dedestorted na at your desired volume its better to care down the volume pot...  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 17, 2006 at 02:08 PM
Yung crossover for the mid/bass, ang sinasala lang nya is the upper frequency range at hindi lower frequency range.  Let say sa CM mo, ang xover point ng midbass is 2k, ang pinapadala na frequency sa mid bass mo is 2k and lower.  Kung magpatugtog ka ng cd na may 20hz, pupunta yan sa midbass mo kasi upper frequency range ang sinasala nya and hindi lower frequency range.

Ang rating na 70hz, hindi ibig sabihin non walang frequency na lower than 70hz and papasok sa speakers.  Ang ibig sabihin nito, ito ang frequency na kaya nyang iproduce na audible.  Papasok pa rin ang 20hz dito pero ang ilalabas nyang tunog ay around 70hz pa rin kasi yung ang kaya nya ilabas (i.e. 2k and lower hindi 70hz and higher).


The same, thats the use of the passive crossover ng wharfs...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 17, 2006 at 04:07 PM
Who told you that? kaya nga may freq range ang speakers eh, at indicated ito sa tech specs nung speakers mismo para may idea yung gagamit kung hanggang saan yung range capacity niya. by the way heres an idea. If you notice meron speakers na gumagamit ng electronic crossover diba?, dalawang klase ito active at passive. yung sa wharfs CM particularly passive. yung use nito is to filter the freq na papasok sa speakers. so dito palang sala na yung signal na kayakayanin ng speakers so paano masisira ito kung isasagad mo yung freq range ng amp? unless itotodo mo talga ang volume at lalagpas sa 150Wmaximum range ng speakers...   

Sa nag sasabi naman sayo na pangit isagad ang freq range ng speakers vs amp capabilities eh. sana isipin muna kung para saan ang mga freq spec nito at bakit ito inindicate ng mga speakers manufacturers at para saan ito. kasi for all I know its there to give a user guide para maiwasan ang damage sa speakers at magamit ang full performance capabilities ng speakers it self...

Syempre para maiwasan ang pagkasira ng speakers gagamit ka ng mag fifit or yung susuitable for the speakers capacity and the amps output range. kung imiminimize mo lang ito sayang ang gears mo. pero nasasayo yun. diba kaya tayo bumibili ng mga ganitong gears is for our entertainment, kung pigil parang kulang or bitin diba? in reality nasa pag gamit mo yan talga. pero diba mas maganda kung ma maximize mo yung performance ng gears mo at the same time maingat sa pagamit...           

To tell you honestly ang nagsabi sakin is one of the salesman ng harman kardon no need to mention the name... :) hehehe.... :) 
Anyway... I'll set to 60hz nalan siguro for the meantime and then paginggan ko nalan siguro kung ano mas maganda sa pandinig ko between 60hz and 80hz kahit na mahirap for me na makita yung difference between those two frequencies.... Newbie pa kasi ako e..... :)  BTW, sa mga nag reply thanks alot coz malaki naitutulong nito saming mga newbie.... :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 17, 2006 at 04:12 PM
maximum capacity ng whafs vs the HK AVR is at risk dahil remember FTC rated ang HK...


Medyo hindi ko na gets ito? Ano po yung FTC rated? :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 17, 2006 at 05:35 PM
Medyo hindi ko na gets ito? Ano po yung FTC rated? :)

The literal meaning of FTC is Federal Trade Commision its an institution under federal law stating the protection of consumers from misleading product information. lets put it in this case...

Lets say yung Harman AVR235 when it was tested for product rating. it is producing a true 50watts at a hcc +/-35amps. this is certified by FTC kasi sila rin ang nag test. this to protect you (the consumer) that the product you bought is truly producing those figures...

parang ISO yan at BPS... meron silang rules and guideline na tinitignan like random testing, etc.. para ma distinguish, kung whats that product is...

pero alam mo yung 100watts ng Yamaha kayang habulin ng 50watts ng Harman Kardon. you know why? meron din kasing sariling institution ang Yamaha para i-rate ang products nila... alam mo naman ang JAPAN... may sariling mundo hehehe! (joke) pero in reality yung product nila is rated by an independent institution din like JIC etc. hindi ko lang sure kung ano...

hope this gives you an idea na about FTC...     
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Feb 17, 2006 at 05:39 PM
kaya ata 100+ watts yung ibang brands e kasi stereo lang ang gumagana nung tinest. ang masakit pa e minsan  at a specific freq and stereo channels lang ang tine-test. depende na sa kanila kung paano nila ilalagay sa manual yung specs nila.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 17, 2006 at 06:29 PM
The literal meaning of FTC is Federal Trade Commision its an institution under federal law stating the protection of consumers from misleading product information. lets put it in this case...

Lets say yung Harman AVR235 when it was tested for product rating. it is producing a true 50watts at a hcc +/-35amps. this is certified by FTC kasi sila rin ang nag test. this to protect you (the consumer) that the product you bought is truly producing those figures...

parang ISO yan at BPS... meron silang rules and guideline na tinitignan like random testing, etc.. para ma distinguish, kung whats that product is...

pero alam mo yung 100watts ng Yamaha kayang habulin ng 50watts ng Harman Kardon. you know why? meron din kasing sariling institution ang Yamaha para i-rate ang products nila... alam mo naman ang JAPAN... may sariling mundo hehehe! (joke) pero in reality yung product nila is rated by an independent institution din like JIC etc. hindi ko lang sure kung ano...

hope this gives you an idea na about FTC...     

Now i understand.... ;D  Thanks sir hanns.... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: yvesjae on Feb 18, 2006 at 12:09 PM
i know a harman/wharf setup will basically produce a warm sound. but are there ways to make the sound a little bit brighter, aside from adjusting the tone controls? maybe switching to 16GA wires for the HF bi-wire? other suggestions.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ragnar on Feb 19, 2006 at 10:53 PM
yvesjae,

sa experience ko, gauge has nothing to do with the sound of the cable.  pwedeng may lima kang 16Ga cables, at iba iba ang tunog nilang lahat. may mapayat, may mataba, may malabo, may detalyado.  ang kailangan ay maghanap ka ng neutral or bright sounding cables.  pwede kang mag silver cables din.  not all silvers are bright sounding pero may tendency sila maging bright pag hindi maganda ang pagka execute. 

pwede mo ding dagdagan ang pagka toe-in ng speakers mo. pwede ding ilayo mo ng konti sa wall ang speakers mo.  pwede mo ring hinaan ng konti ang sub mo kung meron ka.

pag hindi pa ring makuha, i think palitan mo na ang speakers mo :) baka ang type mo neutral sounding hindi warm sounding . 

peace  ;D


i know a harman/wharf setup will basically produce a warm sound. but are there ways to make the sound a little bit brighter, aside from adjusting the tone controls? maybe switching to 16GA wires for the HF bi-wire? other suggestions.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 20, 2006 at 10:59 AM
yvesjae,

sa experience ko, gauge has nothing to do with the sound of the cable.  pwedeng may lima kang 16Ga cables, at iba iba ang tunog nilang lahat. may mapayat, may mataba, may malabo, may detalyado.  ang kailangan ay maghanap ka ng neutral or bright sounding cables.  pwede kang mag silver cables din.  not all silvers are bright sounding pero may tendency sila maging bright pag hindi maganda ang pagka execute. 

pwede mo ding dagdagan ang pagka toe-in ng speakers mo. pwede ding ilayo mo ng konti sa wall ang speakers mo.  pwede mo ring hinaan ng konti ang sub mo kung meron ka.

pag hindi pa ring makuha, i think palitan mo na ang speakers mo :) baka ang type mo neutral sounding hindi warm sounding . 

peace  ;D



HEHEHE! good reply... my advice use a bi wire with a 14ga. cable... tignan mo kung ano kakalabasan ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Feb 20, 2006 at 11:05 AM
Quote
HEHEHE! good reply... my advice use a bi wire with a 14ga. cable... tignan mo kung ano kakalabasan

THis is exactly wht I did last Friday night. Found myself watching the whole weekend sa ganda ng sound quality improvements ng diamonds ko.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 20, 2006 at 11:11 AM
THis is exactly wht I did last Friday night. Found myself watching the whole weekend sa ganda ng sound quality improvements ng diamonds ko.

Good work!  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: yvesjae on Feb 20, 2006 at 12:26 PM
yvesjae,

sa experience ko, gauge has nothing to do with the sound of the cable.  pwedeng may lima kang 16Ga cables, at iba iba ang tunog nilang lahat. may mapayat, may mataba, may malabo, may detalyado.  ang kailangan ay maghanap ka ng neutral or bright sounding cables.  pwede kang mag silver cables din.  not all silvers are bright sounding pero may tendency sila maging bright pag hindi maganda ang pagka execute. 

pwede mo ding dagdagan ang pagka toe-in ng speakers mo. pwede ding ilayo mo ng konti sa wall ang speakers mo.  pwede mo ring hinaan ng konti ang sub mo kung meron ka.

pag hindi pa ring makuha, i think palitan mo na ang speakers mo :) baka ang type mo neutral sounding hindi warm sounding . 

peace  ;D



baka kailangan ko nga magpalit ng speakers.  ;D ano ba brands na neutral sounding speakers?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 20, 2006 at 12:36 PM
baka kailangan ko nga magpalit ng speakers.  ;D ano ba brands na neutral sounding speakers?

sonus faber or martin logan sigurado neutral sounding speakers yan... 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Feb 21, 2006 at 09:27 AM
Guys tulong naman,

I just change my receiver from Promac to HK235.
My problem is numipis ang tunog ng speakers ko even if I put the Bass to maximum.
Im using a 3 way 120 watts linear powered bookshelf pioneer speakers using AudioPro optical cable before analog lang connection ko.


Paano ba sine-setup ng tama ang bagong AVR ko, I got lost sa functionality pa lang ng remote.
I can't even set the OSD function sa screen ng TV ko.

Another thing I followed the instructions doon sa likod ng remote just this morning ngayon ayaw ng gumana ng remote ko.Paano ba sya ire-reset?

TIA.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Feb 21, 2006 at 02:57 PM
ngek :P! ano ba yan sir? mukhang nagkanda loko na set up mo. :P

let's see how we can help you......try the following

1. first and foremost, I suggest you read the manual properly. Very comprehensive ang manual ng HK from my experience, and madali lang tandaan mga functions.
2. check your speaker settings.....small?large???NONE???
3. Are you using a subwoofer? if yes, check the croos-over setting sa HK.
4. with regards to the OSD function sa remote, hinde ba may OSD button yan? press it and if parang PAL picture yung lumalabas (picture in black and white rolling downawards), press and hold the OSD button for around 3-5 secs.

again, the manual can help you more than anything else, so please find time to read it. ;D

good luck sir!!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Feb 21, 2006 at 04:56 PM
Thanks for the info.
I'll find time to read the manuals.
Medyo na-excite kasi ako he he he.

With regards sa OSD, yes it has a button for OSD but how do I connect the HK out to the TV in?
I tried using an RCA and connect the front display jack of HK to the display jack in my TV pero wala pa nangyari.


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alistair on Feb 21, 2006 at 05:00 PM
My problem is numipis ang tunog ng speakers ko even if I put the Bass to maximum.
Sounds like your front speakers are set to 'small'.
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Another thing I followed the instructions doon sa likod ng remote just this morning ngayon ayaw ng gumana ng remote ko.Paano ba sya ire-reset?
It should be in the manual somewhere. Sorry, I can't remember it off the top of my head. Try searching this thread, too. I remember mentioning it here before.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 21, 2006 at 05:50 PM
Thanks for the info.
I'll find time to read the manuals.
Medyo na-excite kasi ako he he he.

With regards sa OSD, yes it has a button for OSD but how do I connect the HK out to the TV in?
I tried using an RCA and connect the front display jack of HK to the display jack in my TV pero wala pa nangyari.




Bro check mo kung san mo nilagay yung rca mo from monitor out to tv...  Baka nakalagay sa video 1 tapos naka video 2 ka kaya wala lumalabas sa osd mo...
check mo rin kung sa monitor out mo nga nailagay yung rca mo...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Feb 21, 2006 at 05:51 PM
Guys tulong naman,

I just change my receiver from Promac to HK235.
My problem is numipis ang tunog ng speakers ko even if I put the Bass to maximum.
Im using a 3 way 120 watts linear powered bookshelf pioneer speakers using AudioPro optical cable before analog lang connection ko.


Paano ba sine-setup ng tama ang bagong AVR ko, I got lost sa functionality pa lang ng remote.
I can't even set the OSD function sa screen ng TV ko.

Another thing I followed the instructions doon sa likod ng remote just this morning ngayon ayaw ng gumana ng remote ko.Paano ba sya ire-reset?

TIA.

Bro dapat siguro icheck mo kung san nakakabit ung cable sa likod ng avr mo. front left front right dapat.

Sa likod ng AVR mo, may MONITOR OUT na pasukan ng RCA cable na yellow. dapat nakakabit yun sa IN ng TV mo.
Yung video out ng DVD player mo dapat nakakabit sa DVD Video in ng AVR.

Video: DVD out --> AVR DVD in --> AVR monitor out --> TV video in

Sa remote mo pare, Kasi jolog ang remote ng Harmie naten...masyadong magulo! Universal daw kasi etong remote ng HK kaya msyadong maraming buttons, eh nakakalito naman.

Anyway, make sure pindutin mo muna yung button na AVR sa remote mo para magfunction yung remote mo for the AVR.

If all goes well, try mo pindutin un OSD button sa remote. Dapat may lalabas na sa TV mo na on screen display.

Makikita mo dun yung CHANNEL ADJUSTMENT yata yun (sorry wala ko sa harap ng setup ko eh) tapos gawin mo Large yung Front Left and Front right para bigyan ng avr mo ng bass ung speakers mo.

As far as i know ganun lang yun. Im not so sure pero sa tingin ko ganito lang solution dyan. Hope itll help you




          
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Feb 22, 2006 at 09:08 AM
Thanks for the help guys.

I was able to set my speakers to large so medyo umokey ang tunog nya compared yesterday na masyado manipis.
Manipis pa rin ang tunog for my convinience I think I better change my speakers or add a sub, wala pa kasi akong sub.
I don't feel like im in a movie house dahil manipis for my preference ang tunog ng speaker ko.

With regards sa remote na reset ko na rin.

My only problem right now is the OSD.
I tried this:
Video: DVD out --> AVR DVD in --> AVR monitor out --> TV video in
I use an s-vid from DVD  to AVR (Vid 1) then RCA from AVR to TV (Vid 1) but it didn't work.
Should I use S-vid or RCA for all for me to be able to see the OSD?

One more thing wala akong analog connection is this the reason bakit ayaw tumunog ng VCD and MP3 ko?


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Feb 22, 2006 at 12:55 PM
Let it break-in first before you buy anything.

Just a suggestion :)


Thanks for the help guys.

I was able to set my speakers to large so medyo umokey ang tunog nya compared yesterday na masyado manipis.
Manipis pa rin ang tunog for my convinience I think I better change my speakers or add a sub, wala pa kasi akong sub.
I don't feel like im in a movie house dahil manipis for my preference ang tunog ng speaker ko.

With regards sa remote na reset ko na rin.

My only problem right now is the OSD.
I tried this:
Video: DVD out --> AVR DVD in --> AVR monitor out --> TV video in
I use an s-vid from DVD  to AVR (Vid 1) then RCA from AVR to TV (Vid 1) but it didn't work.
Should I use S-vid or RCA for all for me to be able to see the OSD?

One more thing wala akong analog connection is this the reason bakit ayaw tumunog ng VCD and MP3 ko?



Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Feb 22, 2006 at 01:06 PM
Sir what do you mean break in first before buying anything?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Feb 22, 2006 at 01:35 PM

With regards sa remote na reset ko na rin.

My only problem right now is the OSD.
I tried this:
Video: DVD out --> AVR DVD in --> AVR monitor out --> TV video in

baka NTSC only yung tv mo, PAL yata ang output ng HK - though i think may workaround na yata somewhere in this thread

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I use an s-vid from DVD to AVR (Vid 1) then RCA from AVR to TV (Vid 1) but it didn't work.
Should I use S-vid or RCA for all for me to be able to see the OSD?

yung OSD, HK display lang yun. di mo talaga makikita menu ng dvd player, kaya no use na idaan mo pa sa HK from dvd (better to connect the dvd straight to tv)

tsaka connections have to be consistent, if rca from dvd to hk, dapat rca din hk to tv (or s-video lahat)
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One more thing wala akong analog connection is this the reason bakit ayaw tumunog ng VCD and MP3 ko?


check the audio out settings ng dvd player - yung digital out baka hindi naka enable for ALL (Dolby lang, kaya di dumadaan yung PCM ng vcd at mp3)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Feb 22, 2006 at 01:52 PM
Alam mo the best thing na gawin mo, hanap ka ng kaibigan na marunong mag set up, at magpaturo ka step by step, wag ka mag experimento at baka magkaloko-loko yan mga gears mo...

when in doubt check it out...

Always seek for a qualified person, kung wala kang mahanap na kaibigan na marunong mag set-up the better way is tawagan mo yung pinagbilihan mo ng HK at magpaturo ka...   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Feb 22, 2006 at 05:29 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions i-try ko lahat yan.
Sensya na baguhan lang.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Feb 22, 2006 at 05:49 PM
kung wala ka nmang ibang connection sa hk mo ng video other than your dvd, idiretso mo na connection ng tv at dvd player. malilito ka lng since madami ng source ng point of error.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Feb 22, 2006 at 05:54 PM
kung mahina or manipis ang tunog, check mo din yung speaker level ng lahat ng channel or else use the EZset function.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Feb 22, 2006 at 07:14 PM
Alam mo the best thing na gawin mo, hanap ka ng kaibigan na marunong mag set up, at magpaturo ka step by step, wag ka mag experimento at baka magkaloko-loko yan mga gears mo...

when in doubt check it out...

Always seek for a qualified person, kung wala kang mahanap na kaibigan na marunong mag set-up the better way is tawagan mo yung pinagbilihan mo ng HK at magpaturo ka...   

haha.. nagkandalokoloko ren setup ko nung una, buti na lang naayos ko ren.

Tumpak-wasto-tama si hanns1976, tumawag ka na lang sa pinagbilhan mo. Pinaka simple yet siguradong way para maayos mo yang harmie mo.

Additional suggestment chong... may purpose yung manual na kasama dyan... basahin mo din. enjoy basahin yan lalo na pag nasa Throne of Excretion!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Feb 23, 2006 at 12:44 AM
newbiedin,

all audio equipment needs break-in.  normally, at the outset, the sound that you will hear is not the "true" sound of your equipment.  you need to use it for several hours (normally around 50-100hrs) before the equipment settles to its true sound.

for example, harman kardons are normally edgy and brightish at the outset.  as you use them, the sound becomes smoother, warmer and more linear.

in home theater, its easy to screw up the sound because there are many speakers sounding at the same time.  the key is calibrating them correctly.  the difference in sound can be night and day.  so learn how to calibrate correctly and you will be rewarded.

good luck :)

Sir what do you mean break in first before buying anything?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Feb 23, 2006 at 10:58 AM
Guys, medyo OK na setup ko salamat sa mga naitulong nyo.

Hindi maganda after sales service ng nabilhan ko kaya di ko na tinawagan para humingi ng tulong.
Kala ko nga OK kasi marami rin syang satisfied customer dito s PDVD.

Napalabas ko na OSD.
I just need to break in my new HK para makuha nya ang gusto kong tunog.

I also tried the analog connection 6/8 channels sa remote.
Using this pareho na tunog ng speaker ko as before di sya manipis

Dalawa na lang problem ko ngayon.

First, nag o-overlap ang screen menu ng OSD di ko tuloy ma-set ng maayos dahil di ko makita ng maayos ang option/s.

Second, I can only use 6/8 direct channel connection when playing MP3's.
I can't take advantage of the DAC ng HK lalo na iyung Logic 7.
Ito pa naman isang reason bakit ako bumili ng bago AVR.

Is this normal or I missed to setup something or do I need to buy a new DVD player?

Thanks uli guys malaki naitulong nyo for me to be able to set it up ng maayos.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Feb 23, 2006 at 11:31 AM

Second, I can only use 6/8 direct channel connection when playing MP3's.
I can't take advantage of the DAC ng HK lalo na iyung Logic 7.
Ito pa naman isang reason bakit ako bumili ng bago AVR.

Is this normal or I missed to setup something or do I need to buy a new DVD player?

I still think yung problem sa MP3 eh dahil naka Dolby/DTS out lang yung audio settings ng dvd player mo. pasok ka sa menu ng dvd player at i-enable mo yung PCM out
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Feb 23, 2006 at 12:43 PM
PCM - Ito po ba iyung may option na RAW.
Sa RAW kasi naka-set iyung DVD ko.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Feb 23, 2006 at 01:08 PM
PCM - Ito po ba iyung may option na RAW.
Sa RAW kasi naka-set iyung DVD ko.

yup -  wala ba iba option like "ALL" ?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Feb 23, 2006 at 01:20 PM
newbiedin,

tanggalin mo uli lahat ng connections mo and start from the beginning.

connect all your speakers sa tama nilang mga terminal
connect dvd audio out to dvd audio in of your avr (analog or digital depende sayo yun)
connect video out of ur dvdp directly to ur tv (digital or analog, depende uli sayo)
      --->kung gusto mo gamitin OSD ng HK mo connect ur dvdp video out sa video in ng HK mo and monitor out  ng hk mo to ur tv.

Logic7 ng harman minsan di naaactivate, depende sa software mo yun. pero sure n maactivate mo yun pag gamit mo analog connection.

set ur dvd to analog connection.

yun lang po ang alam ko.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: s2kov on Feb 23, 2006 at 01:47 PM
ano nakikita mo kulay? black/white? colored?


First, nag o-overlap ang screen menu ng OSD di ko tuloy ma-set ng maayos dahil di ko makita ng maayos ang option/s.


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Feb 23, 2006 at 04:21 PM
Hi Newbiedin,, saan location mo? Baka meron lang namang member dito na HK din ang gamit na malapit sa location mo na pwede mag setup ng gears mo para safe...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Feb 23, 2006 at 05:15 PM
Malapit lang me sa Rockwell along JP Rizal just a few meters from Caltex gas station.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Feb 23, 2006 at 05:21 PM
iceman90a - wala ALL sa PCM option ng DVD player ko

s2kov - pagkabit ko pa lang ng monitor out sa tv  nag pi-flicker na sya grayish ang background
            -pad pindot ko ng OSD white ang kulay ng menus tapos grayish flickering overlapping menu options


jaytee15 - no output for all analog channel don't know why so I just use optical 1
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Feb 23, 2006 at 05:52 PM
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pagkabit ko pa lang ng monitor out sa tv  nag pi-flicker na sya grayish ang background
            -pad pindot ko ng OSD white ang kulay ng menus tapos grayish flickering overlapping menu options

Press and hold OSD then press and hold VOL UP button. Don't let go on both till you see you monitor in blue background.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Feb 24, 2006 at 09:41 AM
Thanks sa mga tulong nyo uli.
Almost OK na ang setup ko.

Thanks danrd sa payo mo it works am now able to use the OSD funtion.

Some questions though:
How do I use the analog function if I dont want the optical or coax connection.
Para saan ba iyung vid1 - vid 4 sa remote?
I just press DVD kasi.

One more thing.
Sabi ng isang tech guy sa 5th Ave I only need to connect L/R speakers from DVD to AVR.
Im thinking of buying 5 interconnects to connect the 5 speaker output of my DVD to my receiver.
Is he right? Iyung prologic 2 na lang daw ang mag handle ng rear and center.

If I want 5 speaker stereo mode how do I set it up?

Thanks uli sa malaking naitulong ninyo.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wavsubz on Feb 26, 2006 at 12:23 AM
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One more thing.
Sabi ng isang tech guy sa 5th Ave I only need to connect L/R speakers from DVD to AVR.
Im thinking of buying 5 interconnects to connect the 5 speaker output of my DVD to my receiver.
Is he right? Iyung prologic 2 na lang daw ang mag handle ng rear and center.

What I did on my setup is to connect both analog and optical from DVD player to HK then its up to me to choose which i prefer to use.

I use Analog (L and R audio) for mp3 and audio cd's to use some sorround modes like logic 7, dolby prologic II and 7 channel stereo although pwede rin optical connections sa mga ito.
I use Digital (optical or coaxial) for watching dvd movies.

For me..no need to use 5 direct input if i have already inputs of optical and coaxial on my dvd player

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Some questions though:
How do I use the analog function if I dont want the optical or coax connection.
Para saan ba iyung vid1 - vid 4 sa remote?
I just press DVD kasi.

If you have a vhs player dyan mo sila i-connect, use dvd or press dvd button on remote (if you connect your dvd player sa dvd input at the back of your HK) then press digital on your remote control after that scroll up and down and choose analog then press set


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wavsubz on Feb 27, 2006 at 04:41 AM
hello sa mga HK135 and JBL SCS260.6 combo..tanung ko lang kung anu ang preferred nyo na x-over settings..Thanks..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Feb 27, 2006 at 03:16 PM
Can I connect a stereo amp to the front pre outs of my HK to gain more power for my floorstanders? Is this possible? What are the possiblities with my spare stereo amp?

Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ricky on Feb 27, 2006 at 08:22 PM
yes backdraft, only if your stereo amp is just a stereo power amp(meaning 2 channel amp) and not a stereo integrated amp :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Feb 27, 2006 at 08:28 PM
thanks bro ricky!

so i just have to connect the front pre outs to the aux in of the stereo amp?

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Feb 27, 2006 at 10:07 PM
hi backdraft,

if you have an aux in, then most likely what you have is a receiver or integrated amp.  if this is the case, then it is not recommended that you connect your receiver to your other receiver / integrated amp :):):)


thanks bro ricky!

so i just have to connect the front pre outs to the aux in of the stereo amp?


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Feb 28, 2006 at 01:35 PM
hi backdraft,

if you have an aux in, then most likely what you have is a receiver or integrated amp.  if this is the case, then it is not recommended that you connect your receiver to your other receiver / integrated amp :):):)



THanks AA!

This I have to make sure that it has an aux in. If it doesn't, can I just connect it to the CD in?

Thanks again guys!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Feb 28, 2006 at 11:17 PM
hi backdraft,

if it has a CD in or other source inputs, then this is also a receiver / integrated amp. 

what is recommended is a dedicated amplifier.

good luck :)

THanks AA!

This I have to make sure that it has an aux in. If it doesn't, can I just connect it to the CD in?

Thanks again guys!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Mar 01, 2006 at 04:59 PM
hi backdraft,

if it has a CD in or other source inputs, then this is also a receiver / integrated amp. 

what is recommended is a dedicated amplifier.

good luck :)


thanks AA!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Mar 01, 2006 at 11:35 PM
No problem backdraft :)

thanks AA!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ronjet on Mar 02, 2006 at 02:45 AM
Thanks for the info.
I'll find time to read the manuals.
Medyo na-excite kasi ako he he he.


hi sir newbiedin... glad medyo naayos niyo na po receiver niyo 8)...    kidding aside=buti kayo po naexcite at  hindi po naexcite yung harman niyo sa umpisa ;D ;) ... kung naexcite yun sa inyo..malamang na-stroke po.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Mar 03, 2006 at 06:02 PM
Mga sir question naman uli.
How do I change the volume level per channel on my HK 235 receiver?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 04, 2006 at 05:45 AM
Mga sir question naman uli.
How do I change the volume level per channel on my HK 235 receiver?

Just pess the CH. botton on your remote then press the up botton to select what channel to adjust the volume then press set sa desired channel for volume adjustment then press up or down botton for volume ajustment then press again the set botton when your done.... :)

hope this will help... :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: qguy on Mar 11, 2006 at 12:46 PM
Harman Kardon avr 135 vs 235

is there a "big" difference between amp section these 2 receivers ?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 11, 2006 at 01:35 PM
For me, pre outs. walang pre outs sa 135
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: qguy on Mar 11, 2006 at 01:55 PM
thank for the reply, but I am particular to the power rating, one is 40 and the other is 50, the dealer told me that the 10 watts difference was significant with regards to HK amps


For me, pre outs. walang pre outs sa 135
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 11, 2006 at 02:05 PM
Tama. kasi ang 40w ng harman katumbas 80-100w sa ibang amps eh like yamaha. so parang 20-40w ang increase nya kung ibabase mo sa ibang amps. ewan ko lang ha, di ko yun sure
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 11, 2006 at 07:22 PM
Agree ako kay BongerDude... ;D IMHO medyo malaki na difference nila...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Mar 11, 2006 at 11:06 PM
for me..
kahit parehas lang ang power ng 235 compared sa 135 basta may preouts yung 235 e dun na ako.
since mas mataas e no brainer na...of course depende din sa budget.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 12, 2006 at 02:49 AM
Onga eh, 135 lang ang kaya ng budget ko. dapat kukunin ko 235. For starters ayos na 135. Mejo anlaki kasi ng difference sa price ng 135 sa 235 eh..pinambili ko na lang ng fronts ung natirang pera. Gusto ko talaga 235 bec. of the preouts. Pero inisip ko na lang na when the time comes na mag uupgrade ako, iuupgrade ko pati AVR. So sa ngayon habang kumakayod pa, oks na ko sa 135 ko. Darating at darating kasi yung panahon na gusto mo magupgrade ng magupgrade eh. Habang wala pa kong masyadong alam dito sa napaka gastos na hobby na to, oks na tong 135. Nangangamoteng newbie pa lang naman ako eh hehe

Pero if ur budget allows, dun na tayo sa totoong tagumpay... AVR7300! kaya ng budget nyo yun? hehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Mar 12, 2006 at 10:48 AM
thank for the reply, but I am particular to the power rating, one is 40 and the other is 50, the dealer told me that the 10 watts difference was significant with regards to HK amps



aside from the 10 watts power difference, there's also the 10 amps increase in current.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 12, 2006 at 04:19 PM
IMHO, i'll go for 235 if budget allows... ;D   235 kasi may complete pre-outs na sya for future upgrades... ;D For me kasi mas makakatipid ako if i only buy a power amp for upgrades rather than to buy another new avr... ;D Happy Hunting Bro... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Mar 13, 2006 at 09:19 AM
sir,

1. ano ba yung pre-out?
2. ano ba ang mga benefits ng mg avr n may pre-out? ano ba pwede ikabit sa pre-out?
3. mag kaiba ba yung pre-out sa subwoofer out? kase nakalagay sa likod ng hk135 pre out (sub woofer out)
4. single rca lang din ba itsura ng pre out?

paki explain po. thanks

jaytee15

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Mar 13, 2006 at 12:51 PM
Regarding the 135 and 235 model.
Medyo late ko na kasi nalaman ito I already bought the 235 model.
Dapat iba sana nabili kong model iyung 85watts na 5.1 if I knew this before hand.

Iyung 135 40watts/5 channels = 8watts per channel
Iyung 235 50 watts/7 channels = 7.14 watts per channel

IMO,given this much better tumunog ang 135 kaso wala syang preouts.
Tama ba ako...o imagination ko lang ito.

Para saan ba ang pre-outs at paano ko ba gagamitin ito?
Ano ba dapat meron ako para ma-take advantage ko pre-outs ng 235?
Salamat.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 13, 2006 at 01:08 PM
135 - 40watts/ch * 5 ch=200
235 - 50watts/ch * 7 ch=350

Kung bitin ka sa power, use the pre-outs to connect to a more powerful external amp.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Mar 13, 2006 at 01:10 PM
Question nga pala sa mga HK owner.
Anong speaker ang gamit nyo?

Im using a linear powered pioneer bookshelf speaker.
Medyo hindi ko gusto ang tunog especially now na wala akong subs.
I'm planning to upgrade it soon if budget permits.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Mar 13, 2006 at 01:13 PM
135 - 40watts/ch * 5 ch=200
235 - 50watts/ch * 7 ch=350

Kung bitin ka sa power, use the pre-outs to connect to a more powerful external amp.


Sir what I mean to say is the current input not the power output.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 13, 2006 at 01:21 PM
Sir what I mean to say is the current input not the power output.


Di ko gets. Why divide 40 by 5 to get 8 watts/ch?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 13, 2006 at 01:32 PM
Useful pre outs + external power amps specially if you prefer floorstanders, w/c need bigger amps to bring out their best.


Just to share....

I auditioned an Infinity Beta HCS set last month and it sounded like they were BIG speakers. They were connected to a HK635 that time. Very impressive compact 5.1  speaker system.

I came back after a few weeks to listen to it again and it sounded quite bright. I didnt notice but it turns out that it was connected to a HK235 that time.

The manager explained to me (in short) that the more power the receiver has, the warmer it tends to sound. He also said that Model 330/335 to 630/635 have warmer sound than the 135-235.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Mar 13, 2006 at 01:38 PM
Regarding the 135 and 235 model.
Medyo late ko na kasi nalaman ito I already bought the 235 model.
Dapat iba sana nabili kong model iyung 85watts na 5.1 if I knew this before hand.

Iyung 135 40watts/5 channels = 8watts per channel
Iyung 235 50 watts/7 channels = 7.14 watts per channel

IMO,given this much better tumunog ang 135 kaso wala syang preouts.
Tama ba ako...o imagination ko lang ito.

Para saan ba ang pre-outs at paano ko ba gagamitin ito?
Ano ba dapat meron ako para ma-take advantage ko pre-outs ng 235?
Salamat.



sir, 135 is 6 channels. that's 40 watts RMS x 6
235 on the other hand is 7 channels 50 watts RMS x 7

135 is 40 watts per ch. no need to divide by any nr
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Mar 14, 2006 at 12:52 PM
I auditioned an Infinity Beta HCS set last month and it sounded like they were BIG speakers. They were connected to a HK635 that time. Very impressive compact 5.1  speaker system.

I came back after a few weeks to listen to it again and it sounded quite bright. I didnt notice but it turns out that it was connected to a HK235 that time.

The manager explained to me (in short) that the more power the receiver has, the warmer it tends to sound. He also said that Model 330/335 to 630/635 have warmer sound than the 135-235.


Yan siguro reason bakit bright sounding speaker ko now that im using the 235 as compared to my previous receiver.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 14, 2006 at 07:10 PM
question lan mga bro...
Bakit ganon? Bakit kayang kayang i-drive ng hk235 ang JBL Northridge-E series(floorstanding) samantalang yung beta series bookshelves lang pero manipis tumunog? Diba dapat mas kayang kaya ng 235 ang bookshelves kesa sa floorstanding? Any opinion? Anyone???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Mar 14, 2006 at 07:31 PM
question lan mga bro...
Bakit ganon? Bakit kayang kayang i-drive ng hk235 ang JBL Northridge-E series(floorstanding) samantalang yung beta series bookshelves lang pero manipis tumunog? Diba dapat mas kayang kaya ng 235 ang bookshelves kesa sa floorstanding? Any opinion? Anyone???

tignan mo rin spec nang daldawa like sensitivity baka mas mataas yong sa floorstanding means mas mataas na sensitivity mas madali i drive.....i hope its help? ;) ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ricky on Mar 14, 2006 at 07:48 PM
imo its not the hk at fault but the speakers, and baka hindi sila perfect match ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 15, 2006 at 11:37 AM
question lan mga bro...
Bakit ganon? Bakit kayang kayang i-drive ng hk235 ang JBL Northridge-E series(floorstanding) samantalang yung beta series bookshelves lang pero manipis tumunog? Diba dapat mas kayang kaya ng 235 ang bookshelves kesa sa floorstanding? Any opinion? Anyone???

di rin natin masabi, baka naman pag HK335-HK635 gamitin mo sa Northridge floorstanders, eh the same rate ang improvement as compared to the Beta comparison above..

Kung sa kaya i-drive, almost all receivers kaya naman i drive ang floorstanders. Ang tanong lang eh, gaano kaganda or maximized to its full potential yung tunog ng floorstanders. IME kasi pag FS (floorstanders) the more power you give it (in SS amp power) the better it sounds.

Sa Beta bookshelf speakers siguro na narinig ko, the powerful 75w of the HK635 was able to drive it to its best performance.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 15, 2006 at 05:31 PM
di rin natin masabi, baka naman pag HK335-HK635 gamitin mo sa Northridge floorstanders, eh the same rate ang improvement as compared to the Beta comparison above..

Kung sa kaya i-drive, almost all receivers kaya naman i drive ang floorstanders. Ang tanong lang eh, gaano kaganda or maximized to its full potential yung tunog ng floorstanders. IME kasi pag FS (floorstanders) the more power you give it (in SS amp power) the better it sounds.

Sa Beta bookshelf speakers siguro na narinig ko, the powerful 75w of the HK635 was able to drive it to its best performance.
Thanks sa maga nagreply... ;D
 
Im planning to buy kasi a Wharfedale diamond 9.5 for my hk235... ;D  Ibig sabihin ba, kailangan ko pa bumili ng power amp to get the best performance of 9.5? Or kaya na ng 235 alone palabasin yung full potential ng 9.5?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 16, 2006 at 10:30 AM
Its just a recommendation, bro. I am merely sharing my experience with floorstanders.  Its really up to you. Kung ok ka na sa sound ng 9.5 sa yo w/ 235, then ok na yan. High current naman ang HK so it can drive the 9.5 with no problems. But for its best potential, I am sure you will hear a big difference if you use the powerful HK635 with the 9.5. BUT the HK 635 is so expensive! The solution? A 2 channel power amp!  ;D

But like the other posts mentioned here, its more practical (also in my own opinion) to get a lower model receiver and an external power amp, preferably 2 channel to power your FS. There are lots of cheap 2nd hand power amp for sale in the buy & sell section. IMHO, You dont need the high wattages for the center and specially the surrounds, let the receiver handle that.

And the good thing about power amps is that you wont need to upgrade them, so its a good investment. You can keep upgrading your receiver (due to new technologies), but the power amps remain.


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Mar 16, 2006 at 11:47 AM
I'd like to know how my speaker would sound if I use an external amp to power my front speaker.
Right now medyo bright kasi tunog nya I would like to know kung may difference.

Paano ba sya i-setup once I got the external amp?
TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 16, 2006 at 06:36 PM
Its just a recommendation, bro. I am merely sharing my experience with floorstanders.  Its really up to you. Kung ok ka na sa sound ng 9.5 sa yo w/ 235, then ok na yan. High current naman ang HK so it can drive the 9.5 with no problems. But for its best potential, I am sure you will hear a big difference if you use the powerful HK635 with the 9.5. BUT the HK 635 is so expensive! The solution? A 2 channel power amp!  ;D

But like the other posts mentioned here, its more practical (also in my own opinion) to get a lower model receiver and an external power amp, preferably 2 channel to power your FS. There are lots of cheap 2nd hand power amp for sale in the buy & sell section. IMHO, You dont need the high wattages for the center and specially the surrounds, let the receiver handle that.

And the good thing about power amps is that you wont need to upgrade them, so its a good investment. You can keep upgrading your receiver (due to new technologies), but the power amps remain.




Thats what im thinking... ;D  Kaya nga hk235 kinuha ko instead of hk135 because of the pre out features e... ;D  Sir, can you give me an idea kung ilang watts ng power amp ang kailangan for floorstander like 9.5? And ano ano po brand ang compatible with HK? 

TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 17, 2006 at 11:32 AM
I'd like to know how my speaker would sound if I use an external amp to power my front speaker.

Paano ba sya i-setup once I got the external amp?
TIA

huh? how would we know how your speakers would sound? What speakers are you using? What amp do you plan to use? It all depends on what you choose and what you are using.

Just use your interconnects: pre amp out front L& R--->interconnect L & R---> power amp L&R.

Thats what im thinking... ;D Kaya nga hk235 kinuha ko instead of hk135 because of the pre out features e... ;D Sir, can you give me an idea kung ilang watts ng power amp ang kailangan for floorstander like 9.5? And ano ano po brand ang compatible with HK?

TIA

Try 100w up. I have tried my Kenwood THX amp 2x130w with my HK, but in Bi amp config. and the floorstanders sounded outstanding! I also tried a Rotel THX amp 5x100w and it sounded great too, but with wider soundstage. Since I am using the Rotel,  I am not using the Kenwood now so I might sell it.

Bi amp is the same as using the external power amp, but instead of using the power amp only, you also connect your receiver. For example : external amp is wired to your LF and your receiver is wired to the HF. Use the more powerful amp for the LF. Dont forget to remove the speaker plate that connects the HF & LF binding posts. Get a power amp that is not very far in wattage to your receiver. This method powered my floorstanders wonderfully.

When I was new to this hobby, I went with the mentality of "if speaker stands cost like this, then why not buy a floorstander instead?" ergo "bookshelf speaker + stand = floorstander". Turns out its wrong (IMO) cuz you will need more power for floorstanders, ergo, biger amps, ergo , bigger gastos.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 17, 2006 at 02:38 PM
Thanks sir... ;D
How much nyo benta yung Kenwood THX 2x130w?

Question lan po,
Kahit ano ba power amp gamitin mo sa HK walang problema? Baka kasi may compatibility issue din katulad ng avr and speaker combinations...  ;D
 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Mar 22, 2006 at 03:35 AM
Hi fellow HK AVR owners...   need suggestions on how to "clean" the receiver...  mag 2nd year na kasi yung AVR 330 ko, and I'd like to treat it to a good cleaning .... inside and out.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Mar 27, 2006 at 03:25 PM
kelan kaya lalabas yung HK240 dito para bumaba na price ng HK235?  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Abad Santos 7 on Mar 27, 2006 at 09:32 PM
kelan kaya lalabas yung HK240 dito para bumaba na price ng HK235?  ;D

Tingin ko mga 3rd quarter of this year pa siguro.  I also holding my plan until this model already available in the market.....sana huwag lang masyado mahal ang price.....

Cheers...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Mar 28, 2006 at 08:29 PM
Tingin ko mga 3rd quarter of this year pa siguro.  I also holding my plan until this model already available in the market.....sana huwag lang masyado mahal ang price.....

Cheers...

i hope they lower the price of the 235 this 2nd quarter.
 ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: atomicat10 on Mar 29, 2006 at 06:31 PM
Saw that the hk135 still sells for 22k at Abensons and their 3 demo units have their volume dials' paint chipping...ugly.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Mar 31, 2006 at 04:38 PM
for best buy of HK receivers, sa ST The Home Theater and Architectural Audio.

but 2nd quarter na di pa bumababa ang prices ng HK x35's.  :(



 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jovas33 on Mar 31, 2006 at 11:00 PM
      Hi guys! Been reading your informative messages on this topic about HK receivers...and learned a lot about receivers, and made me realize I'm indeed a rookie pagdating sa HT world :)

      I'm planning to purchase HK135 as my receiver, I think it's the best valued HK receiver based from your posted messages.   
     
      Actually, I had bought na a pair of BOSE 301 bookshelf speakers 2 years ago na po. I was impressed by its sound that time. Credit due na rin sa magaling nilang salesman nila that time. Until now,sa component ng roommate ko pa po ako nakikikabit ng speakers ko :)

      With the problem of what receiver to buy, I have one more thing to do that I think you cool guys could help me with-that is to find the other speakers (center,rear and subwoofer) that would best match with my 301(as front speakers) and HK135.
     
      I listened to the Bose VCS 10 center and Bose surround speakers pero parang may kulang po sa sound output nya.
     
      I've been to JBL showroom at Megamall,and they have recommended JBL (CSR series po yata yun) as well as Infinity Primus Center and Surround Speakers but can't decide as of the moment.

      I hope you could help me with this problem of mine,gurus. My budget sana is P35k max for sub,center and rear speakers. Thanks in advance....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Apr 01, 2006 at 09:23 PM
      Hi guys! Been reading your informative messages on this topic about HK receivers...and learned a lot about receivers, and made me realize I'm indeed a rookie pagdating sa HT world :)

      I'm planning to purchase HK135 as my receiver, I think it's the best valued HK receiver based from your posted messages.   
     
      Actually, I had bought na a pair of BOSE 301 bookshelf speakers 2 years ago na po. I was impressed by its sound that time. Credit due na rin sa magaling nilang salesman nila that time. Until now,sa component ng roommate ko pa po ako nakikikabit ng speakers ko :)

      With the problem of what receiver to buy, I have one more thing to do that I think you cool guys could help me with-that is to find the other speakers (center,rear and subwoofer) that would best match with my 301(as front speakers) and HK135.
     
      I listened to the Bose VCS 10 center and Bose surround speakers pero parang may kulang po sa sound output nya.
     
      I've been to JBL showroom at Megamall,and they have recommended JBL (CSR series po yata yun) as well as Infinity Primus Center and Surround Speakers but can't decide as of the moment.

      I hope you could help me with this problem of mine,gurus. My budget sana is P35k max for sub,center and rear speakers. Thanks in advance....

Pards as an advise, keep your 301 for your stereo system, one thing Ive learned from BOSE ang hirap imatch ng speakers nila with other branded speakers. before I had those AM5 III and match it with VCS 30 (packaged ito consisting of VCS10 and model 100) and the final verdict? tama yung sinabi mo, kulang yung sound output niya at the same time kulang din ang freq. I tried matching it with Ganzklar sub, DQ12, Prosub80 nothing works...

as a suggestion, at since meron kang 35k for the whole speakers try this. go for the Whafs diamond 9 series sa ambassador app. in makati, its a bang for the buck, kasi its already a kevlar driver similar to the pricey B&W. but without the price tag. kaya lang medyo matagal ang break in period. maganda pa ang asthetics.

heres what it looks like:

Wharfedale Diamond 9 speaker system.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/wharfs9.jpg)

pero kung hindi ka naman masyado sa mga branded products and for a really good set up, go for the Euros set up local brand nga lang pero inexport ito, for 18k (Euros 8 towers, center, surrounds and powered subwoofer). Try mo iaudition sa dai-ichi megamall. (BTW sale sila ngayon) then yung matitirang pera mo instead of buying the HK135 (6.1 only) buy the 235 (7.1 na) may pre-out pa for power output upgrade, para hindi kana mag upgrade ng AVR in the near future. dahil cigurado ako matagal-tagal din ang gamit mo dito. suggestion lang ito... nothing to loose if you audition this set up... para naman hindi masayang ang pera mo. friendly suggestion lang naman para makatulong.  :)     

This is what it looks like:

Euros 8 speakers system.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/euros8.gif)

Euros sub / DTX sub.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/DTX610.gif)

HK 235
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/AVR235.jpg)




Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ricky on Apr 01, 2006 at 10:45 PM
i think hanns is right that you set aside the bose and just buy a complete speaker system instaed for your ht set-up ;D Or if you really want to have the bose then i suggest you also get a bose center speaker ;) wharfedale is a good brand for your budget ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ibalon23 on Apr 02, 2006 at 11:26 AM
Galing ni hanns mag-suggest, with matching pictures pa, mapapabili ka talaga, very informative.

Nong bumili ako ng gear, nag view muna na ko ng mga post dito then I audition it.

Ibalon
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: barrister on Apr 02, 2006 at 01:51 PM
Take sir Hanns' advice.  I would have advised the same set up myself.  Experienced user na si hanns1976.  Ang dami nang naging set up niyan!   

From what I've read, Bose 301s are inaccurate speakers.  And for audiophiles, "inaccurate" is one of the worst characteristics a speaker can have.   

BTW, thanks to sir Hanns' old posts advising where to get the cheapest Yamaha receiver.  I saved a lot by taking his advice.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Apr 02, 2006 at 02:24 PM
Thanks guys at least naka tulong ako sa inyo... like you guys ganun din ako sa simula from pro-audio in 90's to HT and home audio in y2k and I learned a lot more here in Pdvd, taking advices from sir avphile, jojoD, 2ny, ahobbit, ganicru and all other members...

naging simple ang understanding ko for home audio gears, unlike sa pro-audio medyo complicated... kasi for me a gud starter HT setup would be getting a good performance speakers with reachable price tag then matching it with a midentry reciever such as the HK 235... at least hindi ganun kabigat mag upgrade kasi add ka nalang ng speakers incase your speakers from 5.1 to 7.1... and sometime getting branded speakers here in Pdvd B&S section would be a good deal. at least kahit minsan medyo may palitan ng info eh nag tutulungan talga ang mga Pdvd members... thats one good thing about pinoy audio/video hobbyist... :)     
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: barrister on Apr 02, 2006 at 04:01 PM
Sir hanns1976, based on your subwoofer posts (21" DIY sub), akala ko medyo may sayad ka na ngayon. :D

Mabuti naman at nasa matinong pag-iisip ka pa rin pala!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ronjet on Apr 02, 2006 at 08:24 PM
galing ni sir hans.... ako ill go din with the wharfs 9.1 or 9.2 pwede na 9cs :) PLUS Velo sub.(kahit 2nd lang basta maayos pa) :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Apr 02, 2006 at 09:08 PM
Sir hanns1976, based on your subwoofer posts (21" DIY sub), akala ko medyo may sayad ka na ngayon. :D

Mabuti naman at nasa matinong pag-iisip ka pa rin pala!   ;D ;D ;D

hehehe! oo nga eh, sayang! pero dream ko pa rin yung 21" sub...  ;D

BTW! iba parin talaga ang front firing vented box na sub like this DTX 4.15, compared sa mga bagong bandpass model ng dai-ichi ngayon...

Before,..... I had this question in mind "what is the best subwoofer configuration, direct radiating driver subs or yung bandpass ported ones?"   

Then this is my verdict, before I bought the DTX 4.15 of sir Porky, I auditioned several subs sa dai-ichi mega, I tried the Euros sub 12"incher and BP120, they tested it with their DVD DTS sampler... maganda yung low freq talgang maramramdaman yung LFE, pero sabi ko kay john, icrank-up nya yung volume. nung nilakasan niya yung port ng sub nagkakaroon ng noise pag nag raradiate na nang husto yung driver sa loob, yung hangin kung saan saan na tumatama yung hangin parang muffler ng auto. hehehe! then I tried their PL sub, naka sale at 4k yung 8"incher. front radiating driver ito pero nung tnry ko medyo bitin. pero mas define yung LFE kahit malakas na "pino" yung bass bagay lang to sa small room, hindi muffled like the bandpass...

Then I asked kung meron pa silang DTX 4.12, 12" incher front radiating driver sub ito. meron pa daw sila kaso ang mahal nasa 8-9k, pero ang ganda walang sinabi yung bandpass models, buti nalang nalala ko yung B&S section natin dito sa Pdvd, si sir Porky nga pala is selling his DTX 4.15, pero matagal na niya pinost ito, nag baka sakali lang ako kung available pa. nagkataon okey pa so iaudition ko on that day, I asked sir Porky kung bakit walang kumukuha? he told me nag bobottom daw pag dating sa LFE, so na didiscourage yung buyer, that time naka hook up sa mini compo niya...

I tried my luck so sinugal ko, I bought it for 4,9k tawaran blues pa nga eh hehehe!. when I arrived home, I hooked it up with my uncles Yamaha 995, played 2 movies (Zorro2 and Jurrasic park P2) and boommm! never ending watch... ganda tumunog, hindi naman nag bobottom, nag taka tuloy ako ang settings ko is sa Yamaha 90hz cutoff sa Sub 50Hz at 8 o'clock volume pot. ayun swak na swak sa effects not boomy yet things are moving, ngayon kailangan na ng acoustic padding ng room ko hehehe!...

Now I can say truly front radiating drivers are much better than bandpass subwoofer...  ;D ;D ;D

just sharing....       
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Apr 02, 2006 at 10:40 PM
Pls stick to the topic
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Apr 02, 2006 at 10:52 PM
oops sori po Mods medyo OT...  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jovas33 on Apr 06, 2006 at 09:20 PM
Hi! Just read your advice.

Thanks po talaga Mr. Hanns sa advice nyo. It's an eye opener for me....
I'm indeed grateful of this site and to you guys :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: LETOR on Apr 14, 2006 at 01:07 PM
Hi guys,

Ask lang po. Ano bang mga current available models ng Harman/Kardon AVR dito sa Pinas? Magkano price per specific model. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EHMBU on Apr 14, 2006 at 04:58 PM
hi guys,

question lang po....
ask ko lang po kung naka set ba sa lowest frequency (40Hz) yung xover ng avr and naka large yung speaker ko (Wharfedale Diamond 9.5) baliwala na ba yung xover nya?

Another question po...  Bakit kapag naka small yung setting ng speaker ko di ko ma-off yung sub? Gusto ko sana small lahat ng speaker tapos walang sub...

By the way i'm using Harman Kardon AVR235

Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: crenshaw on Apr 15, 2006 at 12:07 PM
question po!

ok napo kaya HK 135 sa MA Bronze Series B4 and B2's or kailangan HK 235? salamat Po?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Apr 16, 2006 at 05:53 PM
to pinoydvd members in singapore or who have been to singapore:

mas mura ba kung jan ako bibili ng HK avr or dito na lang sa pilipinas? how about warranty and customs issues? any experiences sir?

BTW, the 235 here in manila is about 26k.


thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: eRaSeR on Apr 16, 2006 at 06:00 PM
dude, dito ka na lang bumili ng avr wala pa'ng hassle sa warranty! ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Toquero on Apr 17, 2006 at 07:33 AM
to pinoydvd members in singapore or who have been to singapore:

mas mura ba kung jan ako bibili ng HK avr or dito na lang sa pilipinas? how about warranty and customs issues? any experiences sir?

BTW, the 235 here in manila is about 26k.


thanks.

Been there to singapore for a while and indeed mas mura ang mga electronic gears doon  except sa speakers ha? (medyo over price sila). For AVR, Denon and Yamaha ang nakita kong brands na mura doon. Imagine AVR 1906 @ 19K Php value  against 24-26K dito sa pinas. Doon ko nga nakita yung 3807 na ibinebenta na nila sa commercial market  Almost all audio gears has an average of 6K Php ang difference dahil mura ang tax nila roon basta galing ng Malaysia and Indonesia. HK by order daw . At kung iuwi mo dito sa pinas yung equipment , I wouldn't think na magkakaroon ka ng problem, carry on baggage lang iyan at 1 tem lang.  Denon,Yamaha and HK have international warranties, kaya kung mgkaroon man ng problem in the near future, dalhin mo lang sa nearest service center iyan....

In addition, may refund ka pa nga na 5% of sales tax (GST) upon checking out the country if accumulated purchases exceeds 200 SGD applies only to tourists. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Apr 17, 2006 at 10:39 AM
thanks for the insights sirs.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Apr 17, 2006 at 04:50 PM
Ask ko lang how do you change the crossover frequency without using the osd?
With osd on pwedeng palitang iyung size and crossover settings ng speakers by clicking on the left and right button.
Kaso busted iyung TV ko since last week at hindi pa naaayos and pressing the left and right button doesn't change the size to crossover.
I need to set iyung crossover nya to 100 kasi  pumapangit ang tunog ng sub sa current settings ko.
TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: macmac09 on Apr 18, 2006 at 10:32 AM
i need a reciever, i am considering hk products. kaya lang 2ch lang balak ko. speaker is wharfdle diamond 9.6. wat recommend nyo reciever. tnx
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Apr 18, 2006 at 03:35 PM
for two channels i wont reccomend an HK but if later you'll like 5 or 7 channels go buy an HK 335
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 18, 2006 at 03:56 PM
i need a reciever, i am considering hk products. kaya lang 2ch lang balak ko. speaker is wharfdle diamond 9.6. wat recommend nyo reciever. tnx

HK, NAD, Onkyo and Rotel HT receivers are said to be good in stereo mode even if you have no plans to go multichannel.  I guess there are no more plain stereo receivers out there, and multichannel HT receivers as so pervasive and their prices are getting more friendly. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Apr 19, 2006 at 11:35 AM
Been there to singapore for a while and indeed mas mura ang mga electronic gears doon  except sa speakers ha? (medyo over price sila). For AVR, Denon and Yamaha ang nakita kong brands na mura doon. Imagine AVR 1906 @ 19K Php value  against 24-26K dito sa pinas. Doon ko nga nakita yung 3807 na ibinebenta na nila sa commercial market  Almost all audio gears has an average of 6K Php ang difference dahil mura ang tax nila roon basta galing ng Malaysia and Indonesia. HK by order daw . At kung iuwi mo dito sa pinas yung equipment , I wouldn't think na magkakaroon ka ng problem, carry on baggage lang iyan at 1 tem lang.  Denon,Yamaha and HK have international warranties, kaya kung mgkaroon man ng problem in the near future, dalhin mo lang sa nearest service center iyan....

In addition, may refund ka pa nga na 5% of sales tax (GST) upon checking out the country if accumulated purchases exceeds 200 SGD applies only to tourists. 

sir, would you happen to remember the name of the store and location?
i sent an e mail to the authorized dealer of HK and the feedback was 900+ SGD roughly 600 USD and translated to 31k PHP, pareha lang dito sa retail price. :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Apr 20, 2006 at 04:44 PM
i need a reciever, i am considering hk products. kaya lang 2ch lang balak ko. speaker is wharfdle diamond 9.6. wat recommend nyo reciever. tnx

HK has a integrated stereo amplifier at their showroom. Its about 18k srp, but its got a whopping 120wpx2 w/ +/-50amps of high current power. this should be powerful enuf for most speakers.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jeppoy on Apr 22, 2006 at 04:41 PM
guys planning to have a stereo setup for the meantime. planning to get hk 235, any idea ano speaker bagay dito? tried listening it with an ae evo1 and it souds great. any idea kung bagay din dito and dali or monitor audio? ano ba counterpart ng evo1 sa dali and monitor audio? i need your feedback. tnx!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dench on Apr 24, 2006 at 11:38 AM
jeppoy,

try Infinity. It matches well with my HK 235. HTH
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Apr 24, 2006 at 05:26 PM
guys planning to have a stereo setup for the meantime. planning to get hk 235, any idea ano speaker bagay dito? tried listening it with an ae evo1 and it souds great. any idea kung bagay din dito and dali or monitor audio? ano ba counterpart ng evo1 sa dali and monitor audio? i need your feedback. tnx!

using aurum cantus F6600 floorstanders with my 235. best bang for buck speakers i have listened to.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: j_albert22 on Apr 24, 2006 at 06:44 PM
guys planning to have a stereo setup for the meantime. planning to get hk 235, any idea ano speaker bagay dito? tried listening it with an ae evo1 and it souds great. any idea kung bagay din dito and dali or monitor audio? ano ba counterpart ng evo1 sa dali and monitor audio? i need your feedback. tnx!


ikaw din ang makakasagot nyan try mo audition lahat before u decide, kc di naman pare pareho taste natin when it come sa music or else ...maaring maganda sakin pangit sa iyo................... ;) happy hunting na lang bro congrat in advance.....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Apr 25, 2006 at 10:27 AM
guys planning to have a stereo setup for the meantime. planning to get hk 235, any idea ano speaker bagay dito? tried listening it with an ae evo1 and it souds great. any idea kung bagay din dito and dali or monitor audio? ano ba counterpart ng evo1 sa dali and monitor audio? i need your feedback. tnx!
I also have a 235 and I heard it paired with Dali C1, MA B2, AE Evo1 and Infinity Primus 160.
Lahat sila OK wala akong masasabi.
Price range almost the same hindi masyado nagkakalayo.
For the kind of music I listened to I prefer the MA.

Audition mo ng malaman mo perfect match para sa iyo.

For pure stereo listening get the HK stereo amp with 120 watts of  high current power.
I forgot the model though.

Goodluck and happy hunting.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Apr 25, 2006 at 08:35 PM
sir, pwede paturo how to switch the 235's monitor output from PAL to NTSC or vice versa?

i've tried the OSD and volume up combo to no avail. :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: macmac09 on Apr 27, 2006 at 10:42 PM
saan po ba showroom ng hk? makati, alabang area po ba meron din? tnx. saan po pinakamura mga hk products. tnx uli
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Apr 28, 2006 at 05:51 PM
Paano ba gagawin small ang speaker settings pag naka analog connection.
Default nya kasi LARGE hindi ko ma set sa small.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Apr 29, 2006 at 09:36 PM
kakalito kc manual ng HK eh. :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jeppoy on May 01, 2006 at 11:07 AM
Guys! Malaki ba difference ng 335 as against sa 235? Value for money ano ba mas worth? Gano ba kalaki difference nya sa pricing and performance? Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on May 01, 2006 at 08:46 PM
Guys! Malaki ba difference ng 335 as against sa 235? Value for money ano ba mas worth? Gano ba kalaki difference nya sa pricing and performance? Thanks!

5k price diff. not much diff in features.
i'd say the 235 has the edge in value for money.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on May 02, 2006 at 10:09 AM
Paano ba gagawin small ang speaker settings pag naka analog connection.
Default nya kasi LARGE hindi ko ma set sa small.

Hi newbie pa rin,

di mo pwede set sa small ang speaker setting in analog connection sa stereo set-up, try using the digital connection para ma set mo sa small ang speakers or try using the dsp modes.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on May 02, 2006 at 12:17 PM
I found the 235 a bit bright. The manager of JBL told me that the 335-635 is warmer (its got more power and different chipset) than the 135-235.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on May 02, 2006 at 01:40 PM
When I was using my pioneer speakers yes it seems bright.
You just need to set the bass around 2:00 and set the treble around10:00 para mabawasan ang brightness.

But now that Im using a B&W 602 S3 hindi na sya bright.
You just need to pair the HK 235 with your prefered speakers.
Others like a little brightness.It depends on their taste for music.

I think I like the sound of my old Pioneer speaker than my B&W.
Mas my prestige lang ang B&W IMO.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on May 02, 2006 at 01:41 PM
Paano ba gagawin small ang speaker settings pag naka analog connection.
Default nya kasi LARGE hindi ko ma set sa small.

Kahit pala naka-large pag analog gagana pa rin ang sub.
I just set the x-over to 60 when listening using analog conn.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on May 02, 2006 at 02:01 PM
Pwede bang gamitin as an outlet iyung nasa likod ng HK 235?
Mabilis kasing uminit ang HK 235
Im planning to put a fan and connect it sa outlet at the back ng HK 235.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on May 02, 2006 at 04:25 PM
Pwede bang gamitin as an outlet iyung nasa likod ng HK 235?
Mabilis kasing uminit ang HK 235
Im planning to put a fan and connect it sa outlet at the back ng HK 235.


Sa pagkakaalam ko pwede basta wag mag exeed sa maximum power consumption... May nakalagay sa outlet sa likod ng avr natin  kung ilang lang ang kaya nya... I'll try that before, naglagay din ako ng fan kaya lang masyado maingay yung fan kaya tinanggal ko rin...  Tinapat ko nalang sa aircon yung AVR... hehehe... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on May 03, 2006 at 01:54 PM
I found the 235 a bit bright. The manager of JBL told me that the 335-635 is warmer (its got more power and different chipset) than the 135-235.

sir, sabi sa brochure ng HK, pareha lang ang chipset ng 235 and 335. its a Cirrus CS 49400 32-bit DSP processor.

and ang power diff sa 235 and 335 is 5 watts per ch lang. personal preferences lang talaga magkaktalo.

Cheers!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on May 03, 2006 at 02:27 PM
sir, sabi sa brochure ng HK, pareha lang ang chipset ng 235 and 335. its a Cirrus CS 49400 32-bit DSP processor.

and ang power diff sa 235 and 335 is 5 watts per ch lang. personal preferences lang talaga magkaktalo.

Cheers!

Sorry for that. It might have been the amp instead of the chip, I mustve forgotten which. Just like Yamaha 650 and 1500 uses different amps.

Just ask the JBL showrooms. They will know how to explain.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on May 04, 2006 at 05:22 PM
Mga bro...


Gusto ko sana small lahat ng settings ko sa speakers ko... BTW, wala ako subwoofer kaya di ko ma set to none yung sub, automatic kasi kapag naka small yung setting ng fronts ko lumalabas din yung sub di ko na matanggal...

My question is di ba masisira yung  receiver ko kapag naka on yung signal ng subwoofer kahit wala naman ako sub?

TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: psychodreamer on May 05, 2006 at 12:34 AM
Magkano ba dyan sa atin ngayon yung 635?  Ok ba ang aftersales ng HK dealer sa Pilipinas?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: macmac09 on May 10, 2006 at 09:49 AM
yun po bang mga 7.1 na receiver pwede bridge yung channel para maging 5.1 na lang?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bravesfan on May 11, 2006 at 07:00 AM
Mga Sir,

Last time I was at Spectra, Jose (salesman) told me that new models of Harman/Kardon HK140 & HK 240 are about to be released soon. He said it will be out this May. 

Do you have any news or update on this? Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on May 11, 2006 at 08:35 AM
ang alam ko ..walang pinag kaiba ito sa mga model na 135 , 235..etc...meron lang syang lalagyan ng ipod...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bravesfan on May 11, 2006 at 09:18 AM
Tama kayo Sir Keema, wala pagkakaiba pero actually ang hinihintay ko lang naman eh baka sakali ibaba nila presyo ng 135 at 235 pagdating ng bagong model. Sayang din savings hehehe  ;D pandagdag sana sa speakers.

Yamaha models are now on sale siguro dahil lapit na release x59 series...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on May 11, 2006 at 09:35 AM
ano po x-over setting nyo sa stereo mode?

sinubukan ko kse 100hz tapos -1db ang subwoofer level +4db naman ang fronts medyo naging bright yung sounds.

gusto ko lang palutangin yung vocals kaya ko ginawa tong settings na ito. ano reccomended nyo settings? para lumutang yung vocals?

pa post naman ng settings nyo sa stereo mode. i'm using hk135

salamat po :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on May 11, 2006 at 07:44 PM
crossover setting question din po...

Pano po ang tamang crossover settings kung wala pa kong sub? Fronts, center at surrounds pa lang meron ako. Euros 8 po lahat. HK135 avr ko.  Parang masyadong nagtatake over po kasi yung center eh, parang lahat ng tunog inaako nya.

Large ang fronts tapos lahat small na.

sa Sub, L+R

salamat po!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on May 12, 2006 at 12:00 PM
crossover setting question din po...

Pano po ang tamang crossover settings kung wala pa kong sub?

Without a sub there'd be no crossover to talk about.  Just use LARGE or disable the receiver's sub output. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on May 12, 2006 at 12:06 PM
crossover setting question din po...

Pano po ang tamang crossover settings kung wala pa kong sub? Fronts, center at surrounds pa lang meron ako. Euros 8 po lahat. HK135 avr ko.  Parang masyadong nagtatake over po kasi yung center eh, parang lahat ng tunog inaako nya.

Large ang fronts tapos lahat small na.

sa Sub, L+R

salamat po!


sir, i dont know about the 135, but the 235 has individual crossover settings for fronts and center.
i used the OSD function to set my fronts and center to to large. crossover settings for fronts is set to 60 and the center is default to 100.

by the way, i dont use a sub kc kuntento na ako sa bass ng floorstanders ko so i designated the LFE settings to fronts.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on May 12, 2006 at 12:16 PM
Without a sub there'd be no crossover to talk about. Just use LARGE or disable the receiver's sub output.

Sir ang prob ko talaga yung center.  Parang lahat ng tunog kinukuha nya.  Parang humina din yung tunog ng  nung nilagay ko ung center speaker. Ano po ba tamang individual crossover setting sa Fronts, Center at surrounds kung wala pa kong sub?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on May 12, 2006 at 12:22 PM

sir, i dont know about the 135, but the 235 has individual crossover settings for fronts and center.
i used the OSD function to set my fronts and center to to large. crossover settings for fronts is set to 60 and the center is default to 100.

by the way, i dont use a sub kc kuntento na ako sa bass ng floorstanders ko so i designated the LFE settings to fronts.

Sir knefut salamat sa reply.  The 135 has individual xover settings din. Parang di lang ako sure kung tama ba ung xover settings na nilagay ko kasi parang di tama. Pareho tayo walang sub, pero hindi ako kuntento.  Wala pa lang ako budget pambili hehe.


60hz - fronts
100hz - center
 ? - surrounds?
? - Sub?

Another tanong pa po. Kasi diba may 2 options, either by SPEAKER TYPE or XOVER.  Pag naka set ba sya sa XOVER ibybypass nya na yung spkr size and vice versa?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on May 12, 2006 at 01:17 PM
Sir knefut salamat sa reply.  The 135 has individual xover settings din. Parang di lang ako sure kung tama ba ung xover settings na nilagay ko kasi parang di tama. Pareho tayo walang sub, pero hindi ako kuntento.  Wala pa lang ako budget pambili hehe.


60hz - fronts
100hz - center
 ? - surrounds?
? - Sub?


If there's no sub, forget about tinkering with those crossover settings.  There's no sub for the low frequencies to crossover into.   .Just disable them and set the speakers to LARGE or FULL Range, whatever your receiver calls them. 

If the center is not identical to the fronts and is bass-challenged, that's when you set the CENTER to SMALL.  The center bass gets routed to your front L and R speakers. Same with surrounds, set them to SMALL, their bass gets routed to the fronts.


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on May 12, 2006 at 01:26 PM
Sir ang prob ko talaga yung center.  Parang lahat ng tunog kinukuha nya.  Parang humina din yung tunog ng  nung nilagay ko ung center speaker. Ano po ba tamang individual crossover setting sa Fronts, Center at surrounds kung wala pa kong sub?

What's your speaker set-up?

If your center speaker is more sensitive than the fronts, chances are, it will sound lounder.  Just use the receiver's individual channel level adjustment to lower the center volume.

If your center speaker has a lower impedance, it can drain more current that can starve out the rest of your speakers. 

Many movies on  DVD are dialogue-centric so the center channel gets more used, especially if its a mono DD movie.    Try using a DVD title that really maxes out all 5.1 channels, like Saving PRivate Ryan's first 30 minutes or Pearl Harbor's jap attack scenes.

And like I said, if you have no sub, just leave the fronts to Large.  Setting the center and surrounds to SMALL will divert their bass information to your fronts.  No need to worry about frequency crossovers.  But if your receiver prompts you to set the crossover points when setting to SMALL, setting to 100hz should be safe.  If you know the low frequency thresholds of your center and surrounds, then use that frequency or higher of the two.  Not lower. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dench on May 12, 2006 at 03:06 PM
Paano ba gagawin small ang speaker settings pag naka analog connection.
Default nya kasi LARGE hindi ko ma set sa small.

regarding analog connection, I observed parang humihina ang tunog and may echo effect when I choose this setting. How about you guys?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on May 15, 2006 at 08:29 PM
regarding analog connection, I observed parang humihina ang tunog and may echo effect when I choose this setting. How about you guys?

no change observed sir. its just me i suppose.

i've tried a cd player, optical and analogue connection to the HK, wala pinagkaiba. i set the tones to flat para ma observe but wala naman.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on May 23, 2006 at 10:18 AM
any news on the availability of the x40 series?

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on May 23, 2006 at 11:08 AM
just bought hk235 and diamond 9.5 kahapon, for stereo listening lang muna kasi setup ko.
tanong lang po, bakit parang may kulang pa sa sound when i tested it. iba sound nya compared o when i auditioned the unit.
ano pa ba kelangan ko i adjust, currently setup on "large" speaker and 2 speaker stereo. coax/optical conection.

medyo manipis and mahina bass nya.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on May 23, 2006 at 11:21 AM
just bought hk235 and diamond 9.5 kahapon, for stereo listening lang muna kasi setup ko.
tanong lang po, bakit parang may kulang pa sa sound when i tested it. iba sound nya compared o when i auditioned the unit.
ano pa ba kelangan ko i adjust, currently setup on "large" speaker and 2 speaker stereo. coax/optical conection.

medyo manipis and mahina bass nya.

no.1 room acoustic...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on May 23, 2006 at 11:24 AM
just bought hk235 and diamond 9.5 kahapon, for stereo listening lang muna kasi setup ko.
tanong lang po, bakit parang may kulang pa sa sound when i tested it. iba sound nya compared o when i auditioned the unit.
ano pa ba kelangan ko i adjust, currently setup on "large" speaker and 2 speaker stereo. coax/optical conection.

medyo manipis and mahina bass nya.

Some other factors to consider:

No. 2 -speaker wires.

Pag manipis speaker wire mo, manipis din tunog.

No. 3 -model

In my experience, I have heard HK635 and 235 being used on Infinity Beta HCS. Mas manipis/matining ang 235.

And it was a blind test bec. I didnt notice that the 235 replaced the 635 (w/c I auditioned a week ago) that day. Only when I complained about the "matining" did the salesperson piont out that we were using 235, instead of the 635 w/c I auditioned earlier.

No. 4 -floorstanders need more power than bookshelves.

Like I have mentioned many times- IMO, COST WISE:  floorstander (FS) is NOT = to bookshelf plus speaker stand (this was my belief when I was a newbie). FS need more (SS) power to sound their best, so for best results the actual computation is:
Floorstander + more powerful amp is more expensive than bookshelf plus speaker stand.

Just my 2 cents  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on May 23, 2006 at 11:44 AM
Quote
In my experience, I have heard HK635 and 235 being used on Infinity Beta HCS. Mas manipis/matining ang 235.

And it was a blind test  bec. I didnt notice that the 235 replaced the 635 (w/c I auditioned a week ago) that day. Only when I complained about the "matining" did the salesperson piont out that we were using 235, instead of the 635 w/c I auditioned earlier.

pero sir the na inaudition ko yung 235 and diamond9.5, hindi naman sir manipis yung tunog. is it possible nga siguro na yung wire. and siguro "break-in" na yung HK nila. or probably tune in na rin.

how about 235 users using FS, any other idea?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on May 23, 2006 at 11:51 AM
What wire (wire guage, brand) are you using? Whats your room size and acoustics (curtains, cement walls, etc.) ?

When I was a newbie, I used 16ga wires & lower. Now I use 12 to 11 ga wires. There was a time I had the chance to use my old 16ga again for a temporary setup and it was then I noticed that the sound was indeed so (obviously) "manipis" so I switched back and forth to the thicker wire guages to confirm this observation.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on May 23, 2006 at 11:59 AM
Quote
pero sir the na inaudition ko yung 235 and diamond9.5, hindi naman sir manipis yung tunog. is it possible nga siguro na yung wire. and siguro "break-in" na yung HK nila. or probably tune in na rin.

how about 235 users using FS, any other idea?

Do you have a sub. Kung wala, turn it off. I'm sure there's a big difference. Btw. Congrats! That's a nice setup.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on May 23, 2006 at 01:49 PM
Quote
What wire (wire guage, brand) are you using? Whats your room size and acoustics (curtains, cement walls, etc.) ?

When I was a newbie, I used 16ga wires & lower. Now I use 12 to 11 ga wires. There was a time I had the chance to use my old 16ga again for a temporary setup and it was then I noticed that the sound was indeed so (obviously) "manipis" so I switched back and forth to the thicker wire guages to confirm this observation.
i dont know the brand name, but it also from where i bought the 235. baka nga wire ang problem, medyo maliit nga, it looks like generic, compare dun during the audition..  change nga siguro ako ng cable.

Quote
Do you have a sub. Kung wala, turn it off. I'm sure there's a big difference. Btw. Congrats! That's a nice setup.
no sub, just the front speakers. anyway sub, center, and surounds are already turned off.   how about yung mga x-overs, pano ba sesetup?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on May 23, 2006 at 05:55 PM

Sir boss you can try this.


Set bass to 3 o'clock
set treble to 10 o'clock
use digital conn -coax-
use dolby digital plII music
Set front speakers to large.
set center,surround,back surround and sub to NONE
set volume to -20dB

you also need some breaking in of the 235.
after a week or two of continous use you'll notice that youre bass is a little fuller.

You could also try the ff:
get a 12 gauge speaker wire.
try audio pro mura lang to sa raon I got mine sa Spectra 95 per meter.
Put a carpet on your floor.
Put your speaker near corners of the room.
Try bi-wiring your speakers



HK 235 is basically a bright amp so you need to pair it with a dark sounding speaker.
But if you prefered the way they sound when you auditioned it.
Copy their setup.
If still you're not satisfied have your room treated.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on May 23, 2006 at 07:49 PM
just bought hk235 and diamond 9.5 kahapon, for stereo listening lang muna kasi setup ko.
tanong lang po, bakit parang may kulang pa sa sound when i tested it. iba sound nya compared o when i auditioned the unit.
ano pa ba kelangan ko i adjust, currently setup on "large" speaker and 2 speaker stereo. coax/optical conection.

medyo manipis and mahina bass nya.

set the crossover to 60hz sir.
use the osd to do this.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: atomicat10 on May 23, 2006 at 08:05 PM
Sir, yamaha user here.
 
I hope you can get the sound you liked (when auditioning) by fiddling more with the HK's settings.  It may also be software related, make sure that you are listening to familiar cds, dvds.

Give it more time specially the speakers.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on May 23, 2006 at 09:10 PM
sir b0ss_sa_b0ss congrats on your gears, ganda yan...
Actually pareho tayo ng set up, ganyan din naging problem ko noon when i was using my generic 16ga wire for my 9.5 medyo manipis nga ang tunog nya pero when i change it to audio pro 12ga mas naging detailed yung sounds and kumapal na yung tunog...
Wag ka mainip,  break in mo muna yung speakers mo gagada pa yan and lalakas pa bass nyan...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on May 23, 2006 at 09:17 PM
also make sure you set the speakers to large, since you dont have a sub set your crossover to 60hz.

sir, meaning the xover settings in the osd for fronts are useless because they are for the sub only?  ??? ??? ???

oo nga pala, set the LFE settings to fronts pala. this may help.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on May 23, 2006 at 09:22 PM
@spy45cal
235 and 9.5 din ba setup mo bro? pareho nga tayo. kaya lang stereo lang setup ko. only using front speakers.
cge nga try ko palitan yung wire. san ba bro mura wire na 12ga? mahilig kasi ako sa mga mura, kaya kung saan mura dun ako. hehehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on May 23, 2006 at 09:29 PM
@spy45cal
235 and 9.5 din ba setup mo bro? pareho nga tayo. kaya lang stereo lang setup ko. only using front speakers.
cge nga try ko palitan yung wire. san ba bro mura wire na 12ga? mahilig kasi ako sa mga mura, kaya kung saan mura dun ako. hehehehe


I also use my set up as stereo and im happy naman sa performance ng 235 and 9.5 ko...
Sa Raon (Deeco) bro mura, i think 75/meter...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on May 23, 2006 at 09:33 PM
affected ba performance if using long speaker wire? how long is the ideal for fronts?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on May 23, 2006 at 09:37 PM
affected ba performance if using long speaker wire? how long is the ideal for fronts?

bro check this site
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

sorry mod medyo OT ata...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on May 23, 2006 at 10:16 PM
sir, meaning the xover settings in the osd for fronts are useless because they are for the sub only?  ??? ??? ???

oo nga pala, set the LFE settings to fronts pala. this may help.

actually setting the fronts to large means they will get the full signal, so whatever xover settings should only affect the signals going through the sub.

b0ss_sa_b0ss: does it still sound thin when played in pure stereo mode?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on May 24, 2006 at 12:12 AM
ngayon ok na sya, hindi na gaya kahapon.
Malakas na yung bass, medyo clear and detailed na.

here's what i did.
set front speakers to "large". (thus get the full signal)
set subwoofer to "none" (thus sending low freq to fronts)
set x-over to "80" (i dont know the effect)
use dolby digital plII music (much clearer than "stereo vs ref/stereo wide")

next in line... change the wire to 12ga and bi-wire.  last na yung acoustic treatment. (wala pang budget hehehe)

thanks to all of you guys, pano na lang kaming mga newbie kung wala kayo.
salamat po ulit sa lahat.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on May 24, 2006 at 10:57 AM
pinuyat kayo ng bago nyong avr sir ah! he he he

sir john5479, thanks for the info!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on May 24, 2006 at 11:03 AM

next in line... change the wire to 12ga and bi-wire.  last na yung acoustic treatment. (wala pang budget hehehe)


I just read recently in 2 different articles that BI WIRING is one of the top 10 audio myths, along w/ speaker wire break in, etc. It doesnt really work and I dont hear a difference myself as well.

I will look for the link and post it here, I saw one of the links in one of the threads here.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: barrister on May 24, 2006 at 11:58 AM
I agree. 

Congrats, sir boss_sa_boss.  Kuha mo na ang settings.  Next is wiring, then konting room acoutics.  Hindi rin ako naniniwala sa bi-wiring, no effect siguro.  Sa bi-amping naman, may effect talaga, pero baka lalong pumangit ang tunog.       
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on May 24, 2006 at 01:09 PM
I agree. 

Congrats, sir boss_sa_boss.  Kuha mo na ang settings.  Next is wiring, then konting room acoutics.  Hindi rin ako naniniwala sa bi-wiring, no effect siguro.  Sa bi-amping naman, may effect talaga, pero baka lalong pumangit ang tunog.       
yup at last gumaganda na rin yung tunog. about biwiring, actually dito ko lang rin narinig sa pdvd yun e, pareho din naman yung idea compare sa normal connection. parang naging complicated lang. but the effect... i dont know.
nabasa ko na rin to sa thread ng "audio myth". curious lang ako, kc sabi ng iba gumaganda daw talaga.

pero dun sa size ng wire based on this link (courtesy of spy45cal)  http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm, may audible difference daw.

pinuyat kayo ng bago nyong avr sir ah! he he he
oo nga napuyat tlaga ako, sarap kasi kalikutin pag bago yung gears hehehhe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: barrister on May 24, 2006 at 01:43 PM
pero dun sa size ng wire based on this link (courtesy of spy45cal)  http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm, may audible difference daw.

Magandang article yan.  To date, it's still the only site that provides a table for recommended maximum wire lengths for audio aplications. 

But note that the article also clarifies that audible differences appear only when the wire exceeds a certain length.  So if the length of the wire is within a specified length, pareho lang ang performance.

I use ordinary 14 ga. OFC wires.  The longest wire run I have is only 20 feet.  Using 14 ga. with a 6 ohm speaker, maximum wire length is 60 feet, according to the table.  In my case, therefore, there should be no audible difference even if I replace my wires with 12 ga.  I decided on the 14 ga. because it's cheaper, more flexible and easier to work with than 12 ga.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on May 24, 2006 at 02:05 PM
next in line... change the wire to 12ga and bi-wire.  last na yung acoustic treatment. (wala pang budget hehehe)

so if changing wires and biwiring doesnt make any difference to its performance. acoustic treatment na lang talaga dapat kung gawin. and of course the surround and and center speakers.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: barrister on May 24, 2006 at 02:10 PM
Balitaan mo kami kung ano nangyari, ha.  I'm very interested.  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EHMBU on May 25, 2006 at 02:18 PM
actually setting the fronts to large means they will get the full signal, so whatever xover settings should only affect the signals going through the sub.

b0ss_sa_b0ss: does it still sound thin when played in pure stereo mode?

Ibig sabihin ba nito kapag naka set sa large ang speaker baliwala na ang xover ng avr?
Another thing is, ginagamit lang ba ang xover when you have a subwoofer?

BTW, HK235 user here...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on May 25, 2006 at 09:21 PM
Ibig sabihin ba nito kapag naka set sa large ang speaker baliwala na ang xover ng avr?
Another thing is, ginagamit lang ba ang xover when you have a subwoofer?
parang ganon nga yata, i dont hear any difference when i tried changing xover from default(100) to 60.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: john5479 on May 25, 2006 at 11:26 PM
try setting them to small and try different xover settings if you want to hear a difference :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on May 26, 2006 at 05:19 PM
Makikisabat lang mga bro, Na-try ko na small ang setting ng fronts ko without a subwoofer, may difference nga ang tunog but my question is ok lang ba na small ang setting ng speakers without a subwoofer(wala pa pambili)? 

congrats b0ss_sa_b0ss at last nakuha mo na yung tamang settings...  Happy Listening and more gears to come... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EHMBU on May 26, 2006 at 05:44 PM
parang ganon nga yata, i dont hear any difference when i tried changing xover from default(100) to 60.

Hirap talaga maging newbie sa hobby na ito... ???
anyone can clarify this?

Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: moks on May 28, 2006 at 01:40 AM
which speaker is a better match for the hk235? dali concept 6, concept center and concept 1 or monitor audio b4, b center and b1 for surrounds? is dali realy better than monitor audio?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on May 28, 2006 at 12:43 PM
Monitor sounded better for me. It depends on your listening taste.

For floorstander setups, I would recommend at least HK335. But thats just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: psychodreamer on May 29, 2006 at 04:47 AM
Makikisabat lang mga bro, Na-try ko na small ang setting ng fronts ko without a subwoofer, may difference nga ang tunog but my question is ok lang ba na small ang setting ng speakers without a subwoofer(wala pa pambili)?

Bro, if you do that,  you're effectively eliminating all the frequencies below the set crossover of your avr,  which is unacceptable.

However,  isn't it that you can't set your fronts as small if the sub is set to off in the avr?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on May 29, 2006 at 06:49 AM
Bro, if you do that, you're effectively eliminating all the frequencies below the set crossover of your avr, which is unacceptable.

However, isn't it that you can't set your fronts as small if the sub is set to off in the avr?

Thanks bro... natatakot kasi ako set to small ang front ko without a sub baka masira avr ko, kapag small kasi settings ng front ko automatic lumalabas yung sub and di ko na sya ma-set to none...  since nagiipon pa ako pambili ng sub, gusto ko sana set to small yung front ko para di gaano mabugbog sa mga LF when watching movies...

TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on May 30, 2006 at 04:52 PM
Mga kapatid, may way ba na maadjust ko crossover settings na walang OSD? Naka component kasi ko eh walang OSD pag component. 135 pala avr ko
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on May 30, 2006 at 05:08 PM
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Mga kapatid, may way ba na maadjust ko crossover settings na walang OSD? Naka component kasi ko eh walang OSD pag component. 135 pala avr ko

We have the same problem but I have solved that last Sunday. What I did is I used 2 s-video cables. One connected on the s-video out of the dvd player to the video in of HK, then the other one connected on the s-video monitor out of HK to the S- video in of your TV. Just select the appropraite input channel you used on the tv and that's it!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on May 30, 2006 at 05:11 PM
Remember the Philips Bodega sale guys? HK 130 and 230's are on SALE there till early June.

Around 18k yung HK230. Check em out.

"APPLIANCES & GADGETS BODEGA SALE FIESTA"
MAY 30 TO JUNE 2, 2006
9:30AM TO 7:00PM
FORMER PHILIPS HOUSE
106 VALERO STREET, SALCEDO VILLAGE,
MAKATI CITY
 
FOR MORE DETAILS,
PLEASE CALL ABCI 750-7336/ 750-3794/ 0922-8124233
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on May 30, 2006 at 05:14 PM
Bro danrd tnx!

Siguro RCA cable na lang gagamitin ko kasi yun lang meron sa extra cables ko.

Pero wala ba talagang way para ma set ang crossover settings pag walang osd?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on May 30, 2006 at 05:21 PM
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Remember the Philips Bodega sale guys? HK 130 and 230's are on SALE there till early June.

Around 18k yung HK230. Check em out.

Bro Mat. I was trying to look for It's link. Can you help me?

Quote
Bro danrd tnx!

Siguro RCA cable na lang gagamitin ko kasi yun lang meron sa extra cables ko.

Pero wala ba talagang way para ma set ang crossover settings pag walang osd?

No problem pre. RCA would do the job. I don't think there's any other way sa settings kundi osd lang.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on May 30, 2006 at 05:26 PM
"APPLIANCES & GADGETS BODEGA SALE FIESTA"
MAY 30 TO JUNE 2, 2006
9:30AM TO 7:00PM
FORMER PHILIPS HOUSE
106 VALERO STREET, SALCEDO VILLAGE,
MAKATI CITY
 
FOR MORE DETAILS,
PLEASE CALL ABCI 750-7336/ 750-3794/ 0922-8124233

AVR-130   Harman/Kardon Audio/Video Receiver 5.1 ch       15,900.00
AVR-230   Harman/Kardon Audio/Video Receiver 6.1 ch       18,900.00
AVR-135   Harman/Kardon Audio/Video Receiver 6.1 ch       15,900.00
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on May 30, 2006 at 05:32 PM
Quote
"APPLIANCES & GADGETS BODEGA SALE FIESTA"
MAY 30 TO JUNE 2, 2006
9:30AM TO 7:00PM
FORMER PHILIPS HOUSE
106 VALERO STREET, SALCEDO VILLAGE,
MAKATI CITY

FOR MORE DETAILS,
PLEASE CALL ABCI 750-7336/ 750-3794/ 0922-8124233

AVR-130   Harman/Kardon Audio/Video Receiver 5.1 ch       15,900.00
AVR-230   Harman/Kardon Audio/Video Receiver 6.1 ch       18,900.00
AVR-135   Harman/Kardon Audio/Video Receiver 6.1 ch       15,900.00

Whoa! That's more than just a link. Thanks. ygpm
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sanction214 on May 31, 2006 at 07:17 AM
mga bossing, im newbie sa HT...kasisimula ko palang mag set-up...medyo magulo pa utak ko about these gadgets..point is...i've heard a technician in a high-end audio/video store here in cebu city that HK's has a habit of "tripping"?...says that power is automatically shutdown by the AVR if di na makaya ng receiver pag drive sa speakers...will somebody please explain me this tripping issue..i was really rooting for a HK130 or 135 since that incident i've changed mind in getting a denon...thanks...btw..this is the most knowledgeable site ever...i hope i'm not wrong.. ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on May 31, 2006 at 09:24 AM
mga bossing, im newbie sa HT...kasisimula ko palang mag set-up...medyo magulo pa utak ko about these gadgets..point is...i've heard a technician in a high-end audio/video store here in cebu city that HK's has a habit of "tripping"?...says that power is automatically shutdown by the AVR if di na makaya ng receiver pag drive sa speakers...will somebody please explain me this tripping issue..i was really rooting for a HK130 or 135 since that incident i've changed mind in getting a denon...thanks...btw..this is the most knowledgeable site ever...i hope i'm not wrong.. ;)

baka yung sanasabi niyang "tripping" is the safety function ng AVR pag nagkakaroon ng dagerous load, like hooking up a 2 ohm load, ayun talagang mag rereset yun from time to time, parang namamatay-matay. safety feature ito ng AVR para ma prevent ang damage on both ends (speakers & amp)... just to be safe load it with a 6 to 8 ohms load speakers... though im not an HK 135 or 235 user I did once had a 2 ch HK int. amp. and still doin well with an 8 ohms load cerwin vega speakers. talo pa nga yung yamaha HT ko eh...   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on May 31, 2006 at 10:53 AM
mga bossing, im newbie sa HT...kasisimula ko palang mag set-up...medyo magulo pa utak ko about these gadgets..point is...i've heard a technician in a high-end audio/video store here in cebu city that HK's has a habit of "tripping"?...says that power is automatically shutdown by the AVR if di na makaya ng receiver pag drive sa speakers...will somebody please explain me this tripping issue..i was really rooting for a HK130 or 135 since that incident i've changed mind in getting a denon...thanks...btw..this is the most knowledgeable site ever...i hope i'm not wrong.. ;)

Leme guess:
1. That store doesnt carry HK
2. That store carries Denon (ulterior motive?  ;D)
3. that technician never had a HK and is relying on hearsay.
4. other stores not selling HK or any other receiver brand will have their version of their competitor's negative points, whether true or untrue.

I am guessing 2-3 of my guesses are correct guesses.  ;D
Even my old Yamaha trips, I havent experienced it with my HK.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: H a n $ on May 31, 2006 at 12:06 PM
Matt,

Pm for you sir. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on May 31, 2006 at 12:34 PM
Got it.

Tnx, Tnx!! :) :) :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on May 31, 2006 at 07:23 PM
mga bossing, im newbie sa HT...kasisimula ko palang mag set-up...medyo magulo pa utak ko about these gadgets..point is...i've heard a technician in a high-end audio/video store here in cebu city that HK's has a habit of "tripping"?...says that power is automatically shutdown by the AVR if di na makaya ng receiver pag drive sa speakers...will somebody please explain me this tripping issue..i was really rooting for a HK130 or 135 since that incident i've changed mind in getting a denon...thanks...btw..this is the most knowledgeable site ever...i hope i'm not wrong.. ;)

korek si Mat, malamang hindi nila carry ang HK at Denon ang product seller nila... bro HK is one of the best HT AVR in the market today, most of the time competition sila ng Yamaha...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sanction214 on May 31, 2006 at 11:11 PM
korek si Mat, malamang hindi nila carry ang HK at Denon ang product seller nila... bro HK is one of the best HT AVR in the market today, most of the time competition sila ng Yamaha...

nope..they carry a lot of high end brands...almost all...its the feedback of the customers here...(or yung nakabili ala ring alam..hehe)araming sinuli daw na HK at pinalitan na ibang brand...Errr, thanks sa reply mga boss...i guess this safety feature is in all high end AVR's?...i recently got this jbl scs 200.5 from other dealer and told me to get HK 135 for compatibility...is it really necessary to use HK AVR 135 or would it likewise go well with other high end AVR's?  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on May 31, 2006 at 11:52 PM
nope..they carry a lot of high end brands...almost all...its the feedback of the customers here...(or yung nakabili ala ring alam..hehe)araming sinuli daw na HK at pinalitan na ibang brand...Errr, thanks sa reply mga boss...i guess this safety feature is in all high end AVR's?...i recently got this jbl scs 200.5 from other dealer and told me to get HK 135 for compatibility...is it really necessary to use HK AVR 135 or would it likewise go well with other high end AVR's?  ;D

you can always use another high end AVR's...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 01, 2006 at 10:45 AM
I installed a SCS260.6 for a friend but partnered it with Yamaha. Masakit sa tenga yung combo.

Better siguro with HK but you might not need higher end models to drive your SCS 200.5. But I would recommend HK235 para may pre outs. In case you upgrade your speakers to bigger ones in the future, you have the option of putting power amps.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Jun 01, 2006 at 10:52 AM
re tripping...
have an hk325..had it 'trip' a couple of times..
ng inobserbahan ko e dahil sa sobrang init ng amp...proper ventilation lang ang kailangan...
after nun wala na...buti nga may ganung feature ang hk..at least di masisira yung amp o yung speaker mo  ;)

pero kung sinasabi nila na pangit yung ganung feature..e di ako bibili sa kanila hehehe
sana man lang e inexplain pa ng mas maayos at di yung sasabihin na lang "di na kaya ng receiver idrive yung speaker".
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: qguy on Jun 01, 2006 at 10:56 AM
how about 2 channel recievers naka sale din ba ?

"APPLIANCES & GADGETS BODEGA SALE FIESTA"
MAY 30 TO JUNE 2, 2006
9:30AM TO 7:00PM
FORMER PHILIPS HOUSE
106 VALERO STREET, SALCEDO VILLAGE,
MAKATI CITY
 
FOR MORE DETAILS,
PLEASE CALL ABCI 750-7336/ 750-3794/ 0922-8124233

AVR-130   Harman/Kardon Audio/Video Receiver 5.1 ch       15,900.00
AVR-230   Harman/Kardon Audio/Video Receiver 6.1 ch       18,900.00
AVR-135   Harman/Kardon Audio/Video Receiver 6.1 ch       15,900.00

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 01, 2006 at 11:11 AM
re tripping...
have an hk325..had it 'trip' a couple of times..
ng inobserbahan ko e dahil sa sobrang init ng amp...proper ventilation lang ang kailangan...
after nun wala na...buti nga may ganung feature ang hk..at least di masisira yung amp o yung speaker mo  ;)

pero kung sinasabi nila na pangit yung ganung feature..e di ako bibili sa kanila hehehe
sana man lang e inexplain pa ng mas maayos at di yung sasabihin na lang "di na kaya ng receiver idrive yung speaker".

Personally I wouldn't call this feature "pangit."  It is just the manufacturer's cautionary design knowing its market may not be all that knowledgeable when using speakers to load them.  A protectiion circuit is put in so as not to exceed certain heat dissipation levels that can result from low loads on high listening volumes and such levels are mandated by the United Laboratories (U/L) for safe home operation.   Check if your AVR is UL certified or has the UL markings at the back.  If it has, then it has to comply with certain heat dissipation standards. 

I've read that some audiophile amps do not use protection circuits because such circuits are often frowned by some audiophiles for technical reasons.  And they were designed to handle any speaker load, even as low as 2 ohms or less.  And they don't heat up that much so there's never any danger of exceeding U/L standards even at loud levels, except those with true Class A topologies.  If there's a short circuit detected at the output, a fast acting fuse on each of the voltage rails will blow up instead.  Then you can just replace those fuses.   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 01, 2006 at 11:58 AM
how about 2 channel recievers naka sale din ba ?


H/K 670   Harman/Kardon Integrated Amplifier Fully Discrete   19,800.00    15,500.00     16,043.00    22%

disclaimer: I am not connected to these guys  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Jun 01, 2006 at 12:48 PM
Sa " Tripping " or Protect mode ng AVR

Madalas ko maexperience to.  I believe hindi excessive heat ang prob eh kasi nilagyan ko na sya ng 6 fans na magkakadikit sa ibabaw ng avr pero namamatay pa rin.  all euros 8 setup ko 6 ohms yun.  Pag -8db ang volume at medyo action packed ang scene bumibigay sya.  I just switch it on lang agad tpos medyo hihinaan ko ng onti mga -12db.  Ok na ulit.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 01, 2006 at 11:31 PM
I installed a SCS260.6 for a friend but partnered it with Yamaha. Masakit sa tenga yung combo.

Better siguro with HK but you might not need higher end models to drive your SCS 200.5. But I would recommend HK235 para may pre outs. In case you upgrade your speakers to bigger ones in the future, you have the option of putting power amps.

bro sanction214, suggestion lang...

the best way for you to have your ideal HT is to have your own identity on your OWN HT, yung mga feed's info namin dito is just a guide lines, pero still the best way is to audition it yourself, like Mat'z example yung Yamaha JBL combo masakit sa tenga niya, baka sayo hindi or maybe yun ang hinahap mong system. if given a chance yung shop na bibilihan mo ay may wide range of AVR selection. kung yung JBL SCS 200.5 ang talgang kursunada mong speakers, better audition mo yung na pupusuan mong AVR together with the JBL, tapos kung ano yung best na sound reproduction sayo, yun na yun. kase most AVR's have the same fuctionality, its just upto the end user ang decision, plus the final word is your own contentment and satisfaction of entertainment... ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 01, 2006 at 11:44 PM
Sa " Tripping " or Protect mode ng AVR

Madalas ko maexperience to.  I believe hindi excessive heat ang prob eh kasi nilagyan ko na sya ng 6 fans na magkakadikit sa ibabaw ng avr pero namamatay pa rin.  all euros 8 setup ko 6 ohms yun.  Pag -8db ang volume at medyo action packed ang scene bumibigay sya.  I just switch it on lang agad tpos medyo hihinaan ko ng onti mga -12db.  Ok na ulit.

just like what ive said before, from my previous post, "dangerous loads" (4 ohms or lower)... your amp doesnt need to heat up before it "tripps off". if it is loaded with an unacceptable load it will reset, if still problem persist your amp will either burn out or will short out your speakers...

bro anong AVR mo? parehas tayo ng speakers (Euros 8 system) gamit ko Yamaha RX-V995, kahit nasa 11.5 o'clock na yung volume pot hindi bumibigay, basta naka set yung imp switch ko sa 4ohms or higher...   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Jun 02, 2006 at 11:49 AM
just like what ive said before, from my previous post, "dangerous loads" (4 ohms or lower)... your amp doesnt need to heat up before it "tripps off". if it is loaded with an unacceptable load it will reset, if still problem persist your amp will either burn out or will short out your speakers...

bro anong AVR mo? parehas tayo ng speakers (Euros 8 system) gamit ko Yamaha RX-V995, kahit nasa 11.5 o'clock na yung volume pot hindi bumibigay, basta naka set yung imp switch ko sa 4ohms or higher...   

AVR135 bro.  Although masyado nang malakas para saken yung -8db na volume, sinusubukan ko lang para malaman kung hanggang san sya puwede.  Kung puro bulung-bulungan lang at dialogue ang movie, pwede siguro hanggang 0db hindi mag proprotect mode hehe.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 02, 2006 at 05:37 PM
AVR135 bro.  Although masyado nang malakas para saken yung -8db na volume, sinusubukan ko lang para malaman kung hanggang san sya puwede.  Kung puro bulung-bulungan lang at dialogue ang movie, pwede siguro hanggang 0db hindi mag proprotect mode hehe.

hehehe! bro sayang naman kung puro dialog lang ang gamit ng AVR 135 mo. sa Yamaha 995 hindi ko na tnurn on yung bass boost at saka set na lang sa flat yung tone controls, kasi para sa akin maganda na at may well tonal balance na yung system, may precise and accurate na fronts. maganda lang ciguro yung system integration nitong Yamaha RX-V995 kaya either listening to audio maganda pa rin kahit stereo lang. pag HT naman hataw yung DTS enhanced mode niya. just watched recently MI-2 and war of the worlds. hanef sa effects at LFE... pag tumunog na yung aliens ng THHHHOOOOOTTTTTHHH!!!!! pati kapit bahay namin napapanood eh hehehe!!!!   
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sanction214 on Jun 02, 2006 at 09:28 PM
Sa " Tripping " or Protect mode ng AVR

Madalas ko maexperience to.  I believe hindi excessive heat ang prob eh kasi nilagyan ko na sya ng 6 fans na magkakadikit sa ibabaw ng avr pero namamatay pa rin.  all euros 8 setup ko 6 ohms yun.  Pag -8db ang volume at medyo action packed ang scene bumibigay sya.  I just switch it on lang agad tpos medyo hihinaan ko ng onti mga -12db.  Ok na ulit.

now, isn't that a bit frustrating?...your well enveloped in a scence then this happens...any solutions to this mga boss...aside from ahemm...replay?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sanction214 on Jun 02, 2006 at 09:39 PM
bro sanction214, suggestion lang...

the best way for you to have your ideal HT is to have your own identity on your OWN HT, yung mga feed's info namin dito is just a guide lines, pero still the best way is to audition it yourself, like Mat'z example yung Yamaha JBL combo masakit sa tenga niya, baka sayo hindi or maybe yun ang hinahap mong system. if given a chance yung shop na bibilihan mo ay may wide range of AVR selection. kung yung JBL SCS 200.5 ang talgang kursunada mong speakers, better audition mo yung na pupusuan mong AVR together with the JBL, tapos kung ano yung best na sound reproduction sayo, yun na yun. kase most AVR's have the same fuctionality, its just upto the end user ang decision, plus the final word is your own contentment and satisfaction of entertainment... ;)

yuup boss...i already got the scs and had it paired sa store with a 135 and hk140...sounded great naman...just what sir matz suggested...jbl does not match well with yamaha(no offense)...but i didnt get the AVR just yet coz, i was kinda restricted with financing likewise had to ask around (like what i'm now doing here) what is compatible to my existing surruond speakers...and considered too some plans on upgrading to a better FL and FR speakers...(perhaps a floorstander)...
appreciate all your invaluable suggestion mga boss... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Jun 05, 2006 at 09:15 PM
Guys, ano ba yung trippping issue about HK? Kinakabahan tuloy ako, Pano ba malalaman kung nag tripping yung avr baka kasi na encounter ko na pala yun di ko pa alam...

TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mika888 on Jun 05, 2006 at 09:28 PM
Guys,  please help.

Why is the OSD feature of my HK AVR 135 does not work with my plasma even after checked 3x the connection of cables?  But when I tried it with a 17" samsung flat tv it works.

Tama naman lahat ng cables connections.   What do you think is the reason why is this kind of thing happening? Hmmmmm..... ???  ???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 06, 2006 at 09:22 AM
Guys, ano ba yung trippping issue about HK? Kinakabahan tuloy ako, Pano ba malalaman kung nag tripping yung avr baka kasi na encounter ko na pala yun di ko pa alam...

TIA

bro yun yung bigla nag shutoff yung AVR mo nag rereset yun then nag tuturn on ulit. wag ka kabahan safety feature ng AVR ito. almost lahat ng AVR's regardless of brand meron nito.... 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jun 06, 2006 at 09:26 AM
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Guys,  please help.

Why is the OSD feature of my HK AVR 135 does not work with my plasma even after checked 3x the connection of cables?  But when I tried it with a 17" samsung flat tv it works.

Tama naman lahat ng cables connections.   What do you think is the reason why is this kind of thing happening? Hmmmmm.....

Are you using rgb connection? OSD works only on rca or s-video connection.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Jun 06, 2006 at 09:42 AM
bro yun yung bigla nag shutoff yung AVR mo nag rereset yun then nag tuturn on ulit. wag ka kabahan safety feature ng AVR ito. almost lahat ng AVR's regardless of brand meron nito....

Ahhh oki... So far wala pa ko na encounter na ganun...  Minsan kasi habang nanonood ako may biglang pumutok na parang watusi pero isang putok lang. I'll check the avr and the connections ok naman lahat, wala namang amoy sunog na goma or what. Inulit ko nga yung scene na pinanonood ko baka sa movie lang pero hindi e...  Takot nga ako akala ko pumutok yung avr ko but so far di ko na sya ulit naririg...

Thanks sir hanns
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 06, 2006 at 09:49 AM
Ahhh oki... So far wala pa ko na encounter na ganun...  Minsan kasi habang nanonood ako may biglang pumutok na parang watusi pero isang putok lang. I'll check the avr and the connections ok naman lahat, wala namang amoy sunog na goma or what. Inulit ko nga yung scene na pinanonood ko baka sa movie lang pero hindi e...  Takot nga ako akala ko pumutok yung avr ko but so far di ko na sya ulit naririg...

Thanks sir hanns

baka voltage spike yun, naka line conditioner kaba or voltage regulator?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Jun 06, 2006 at 10:08 AM
baka voltage spike yun, naka line conditioner kaba or voltage regulator?

Ano naman yun voltage spike sir? normal lang po ba yun?
Im using yaden avr 1500-VA, wala po ako line conditioner...

TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 06, 2006 at 10:31 AM
Ano naman yun voltage spike sir? normal lang po ba yun?
Im using yaden avr 1500-VA, wala po ako line conditioner...

TIA

its normal, present ito sa lahat ng power lines. pero kung naka AVR ka no problem, maari yung narinig mo is sa TV. normal lang yun sa CRT TV's... 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Jun 06, 2006 at 01:11 PM
its normal, present ito sa lahat ng power lines. pero kung naka AVR ka no problem, maari yung narinig mo is sa TV. normal lang yun sa CRT TV's...

Sana nga sa tv sir... BTW, im using japan surplus 28" wide screen. Thaks sir hanns...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 06, 2006 at 01:15 PM
Sana nga sa tv sir... BTW, im using japan surplus 28" wide screen. Thaks sir hanns...

ayy si TV nga yun sir, ganyan din na expirience ko before sa surplus TV... 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Jun 07, 2006 at 03:48 PM
ayy si TV nga yun sir, ganyan din na expirience ko before sa surplus TV...

Hope so... ;D

Thanks sir
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fong on Jun 17, 2006 at 11:11 PM
Hi,

To the HK235 users, ano yung mga comments nyo sa receiver na to? any "reklamos"? i am really inclined to get this model (or the 240 if it comes out soon locally). Initially got interested in HKs because of its appearance.  Thus, i need some comments with regards to its features and limitations.

Really would like to hear from you guys!

Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on Jun 17, 2006 at 11:16 PM
hk235 user here... and im very satisfied with its performance.

bro try to browse this thread backward, maraming hk235 user sharing about their experiences on this model.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fong on Jun 17, 2006 at 11:41 PM
boss boss,

yeah i've actually browsed the thread backwards..and read mostly 'good' feedbacks. what i want to hear is what they are actually missing from this model. i'd like to know also the bad parts..

btw, what speakers are you using right now?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on Jun 18, 2006 at 12:57 AM
what is missing from this model? i think it's the DSP that other avr can offer specialy yamaha's, other than that wala na ako maisip. anyway counterpart yata ng hk235 is yammie657

my speaker is diamond 9.5. using only for stereo listening as for now.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Jun 18, 2006 at 12:44 PM
HK235 user here... For me panalo talaga itong avr na to... Pero kung hanap mo more DSP go for yammy... I'm also using wharfedale diamond 9 series... you can browse my HT setup at HT Gallery... If Budget permits, Go for HK Mission combo... The best yun for me bro pero di kaya ng power ko e... hehehe... in my dreams nalang muna...

Happy hunting...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fong on Jun 18, 2006 at 01:17 PM
shet, really like the DSP part. kaso i love the HK's aesthetics! hard choice to make!

how about its power? if i use 4 ohm speakers, malakas naman siguro yung 55 watts @ 8 ohms diba?

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Jun 18, 2006 at 08:49 PM
shet, really like the DSP part. kaso i love the HK's aesthetics! hard choice to make!

how about its power? if i use 4 ohm speakers, malakas naman siguro yung 55 watts @ 8 ohms diba?



actually i use 4 ohm floorstanding speakers. at -20db, malakas na para sa akin.

no reklamo on the avr. sa manual, meron. he he he


gamit ko nun yamaha, pero nag fade din yung interest ko sa DSPs hanggang sa DTS and Pro Logic na lang gamit ko when watching movies or listening to music. but kung hilig mo talaga DSPs, go for the yamaha 657 sir.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mm2002 on Jun 18, 2006 at 10:41 PM
I'm second to that about the manual, It's not user friendly hehehhehe but sa lahat ng pinagdaanan kong entry level na AVR like Onkyo, Yamaha,  and pioneer  HK satisfied me well, I paired it with Diamond 8 series fronts center and surrounds,  mine is HK AVR135
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Jun 19, 2006 at 11:21 AM
tanong lang mga sirs,

ano usually settings nyo sa HK for speakers? Usually ba mas mataas yung fronts kesa sa center like for example

Front L/R = 8dB
Center = 6dB
Surround = 5dB

I dont have a power/sound meter kasi, and usually yung EZset ng HK is not reliable.

TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 19, 2006 at 11:28 AM
actually i use 4 ohm floorstanding speakers. at -20db, malakas na para sa akin.

no reklamo on the avr. sa manual, meron. he he he

gamit ko nun yamaha, pero nag fade din yung interest ko sa DSPs hanggang sa DTS and Pro Logic na lang gamit ko when watching movies or listening to music. but kung hilig mo talaga DSPs, go for the yamaha 657 sir.

Reading the encyclopedia..ay ..este, manual of the HK lead me to this expression a lot of times :  ??? ??? ???

Also same here, used to have a Yamaha 450 then 650. Was amused with all those DSP's at first, but later on I was only using 2 DSPs.

Then later my 80% HT 20% music ratio went to 50% music & HT. So HK was the way to go.



Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Jun 19, 2006 at 12:57 PM
Reading the encyclopedia..ay ..este, manual of the HK lead me to this expression a lot of times :  ??? ??? ???



 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on Jun 19, 2006 at 01:17 PM
ok naman yung manual ng HK a,  talagang uulit ulitin mong basahin. hehehe :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Jun 19, 2006 at 01:41 PM
Hi,

To the HK235 users, ano yung mga comments nyo sa receiver na to? any "reklamos"? i am really inclined to get this model (or the 240 if it comes out soon locally). Initially got interested in HKs because of its appearance.  Thus, i need some comments with regards to its features and limitations.

Really would like to hear from you guys!

Thanks!


A little bright kung tumunog.
Performance wise OK sya.
I paired the HK 235 with B&W 602s3, sounds great but still looking for something more.
Might change the speaker to MAB4
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ganicru on Jun 22, 2006 at 10:00 AM
re tripping...
have an hk325..had it 'trip' a couple of times..
ng inobserbahan ko e dahil sa sobrang init ng amp...proper ventilation lang ang kailangan...
after nun wala na...buti nga may ganung feature ang hk..at least di masisira yung amp o yung speaker mo  ;)

pero kung sinasabi nila na pangit yung ganung feature..e di ako bibili sa kanila hehehe
sana man lang e inexplain pa ng mas maayos at di yung sasabihin na lang "di na kaya ng receiver idrive yung speaker".

      Mga Bro,  am using HK 135 with Bose AM7 and 3 Bose model 100 at  rears. Recently Im experiencing this tripping or resetting (Blue light turned orange). I thought maybe the power plug were loosed. I just pushed it off then after some seconds, pushed it on again and it works. Am just quite worried, is this some sort of symptoms of a major problem to come. Can anybody from HK explain this. Mine is still within warranty, Is our unit needs servicing before the warranty expires?  I haven't done any major change in my setup except upgrading to Samsung R71 LCD TV and Toshiba HDMI DVD player.  Any advice  from HK users. Will try using an AVR, hope this arrest the problem.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 22, 2006 at 11:05 AM
shet, really like the DSP part. kaso i love the HK's aesthetics! hard choice to make!

how about its power? if i use 4 ohm speakers, malakas naman siguro yung 55 watts @ 8 ohms diba?



One more thing I love about the HK's aesthetics is its aluminum finish remote control (the one standing vertically).

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/HT14.jpg)

Its the coolest AVR remote I have seen, learning remote na may SPL meter pa! Its one of the reasons I junk my thoughts of upgrading the HK.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Dracula on Jun 22, 2006 at 11:28 AM
When will the new HK receivers be coming out?  Noticed on the website that the 135, 235 and other models currently posted are all part of their 2005 line....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ganicru on Jun 23, 2006 at 04:57 PM
      Mga Bro,  am using HK 135 with Bose AM7 and 3 Bose model 100 at  rears. Recently Im experiencing this tripping or resetting (Blue light turned orange). I thought maybe the power plug were loosed. I just pushed it off then after some seconds, pushed it on again and it works. Am just quite worried, is this some sort of symptoms of a major problem to come. Can anybody from HK explain this. Mine is still within warranty, Is our unit needs servicing before the warranty expires?  I haven't done any major change in my setup except upgrading to Samsung R71 LCD TV and Toshiba HDMI DVD player.  Any advice  from HK users. Will try using an AVR, hope this arrest the problem.

Tripping not a problem anymore. AVR does the trick.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: b0ss_sa_b0ss on Jun 24, 2006 at 11:59 PM
tanong ko lang po about speaker.

i have 2 small cube satellite speakers rated 4ohms, can i used this as surround speakers?
my front and center are wharfedales' rated 6ohms. and of course my reciever HK235.

though HK claims that it can drive speakers rated 4ohms, hindi kaya ako magkaron ng problem.

front:  diamond 9.5 (150 watts, 6ohms)
center: 9cm (150wats, 6ohms)

for surround: small satelite (? watts, 4ohms) <--ok lang kaya gawin surround to
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dyames on Jun 25, 2006 at 01:45 AM
question lang po is harman kardon receivers available in the philippines are in 50 or 60 hertz?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EHMBU on Jul 04, 2006 at 07:40 AM
Mga bosing help naman how to calibrate my receiver... Para kasi hindi accurate yung spl ng remote ng HK e, pabagobago kasi yung input nya... My problen pati is wala akong spl meter and wala ako tiwala sa tenga ko lang when it comes to calibration...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 04, 2006 at 12:18 PM
My problen pati is wala akong spl meter and wala ako tiwala sa tenga ko lang when it comes to calibration...

That's a very big problem.  No SPL meter and can't trust your own ears.  I suggest you find an SPL meter.  Personally, I also would want one but the only SPL meter I saw at 5th ave Park Square cost a cool 20T+.   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EHMBU on Jul 04, 2006 at 07:56 PM
That's a very big problem. No SPL meter and can't trust your own ears. I suggest you find an SPL meter. Personally, I also would want one but the only SPL meter I saw at 5th ave Park Square cost a cool 20T+. ;D

wow grabe naman yun sir... pagkatapos once or trice mo lang gagamitin just to calibrate your HT setup... By the way, totoo ba na hindi accurate yung spl meter sa remote ng HK 235 or feeling ko lang???

TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 05, 2006 at 09:46 AM
Remote control with an SPL meter seems cool.  The only way to know if its accurate is to compare a plot of its readings with a standalone SPL meter plot. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Munskie on Jul 05, 2006 at 10:03 AM
That's a very big problem.  No SPL meter and can't trust your own ears.  I suggest you find an SPL meter.  Personally, I also would want one but the only SPL meter I saw at 5th ave Park Square cost a cool 20T+.   ;D
Radioshack SPL meter is just $40 ata...grabe yung 20T... :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 05, 2006 at 11:28 AM
Radioshack SPL meter is just $40 ata...grabe yung 20T... :)

Radioshack used to carry one for around 2T if not mistaken. Too bad they had no stock and then closed shop at Park Square.  The 20T+ that 5th Ave carries is for professional use which is why it's so expensive. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Fox Mulder on Jul 05, 2006 at 11:55 AM
wow grabe naman yun sir... pagkatapos once or trice mo lang gagamitin just to calibrate your HT setup... By the way, totoo ba na hindi accurate yung spl meter sa remote ng HK 235 or feeling ko lang???

TIA

I think we share the same feelings hehehehe. Seriously,  I get weird values/settings when using my HK230 SPL sa remote. Values also change with every pass I make :P. So my verdict is that it is not very accurate.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EHMBU on Jul 06, 2006 at 01:38 PM
I think we share the same feelings hehehehe. Seriously, I get weird values/settings when using my HK230 SPL sa remote. Values also change with every pass I make :P. So my verdict is that it is not very accurate.

Agree ako dyan!!!!

Pabagobago ang setting na ibinibigay nya kahit wala ka namang binabago sa settings nya...

Radioshack used to carry one for around 2T if not mistaken. Too bad they had no stock and then closed shop at Park Square. The 20T+ that 5th Ave carries is for professional use which is why it's so expensive.

Wow saan pa kaya meron ng 2T na spl meter???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sanction214 on Jul 08, 2006 at 05:44 PM
i think high-end audio stores have sound technicians that would service calibrating for a fee...here in cebu it cost 800 for calibration only
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fong on Jul 11, 2006 at 08:00 PM
dumdidum... still waiting for the 40 series to come out... ::)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Jul 12, 2006 at 02:51 AM
My friend has this pro-logic H/K AVR 25 (circa '96-'97) and I'm asking him to sell it to me.

how much would be the fair price for this amp?


(http://i17.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/65/7e/16_12_sb.JPG)

Thanks!


Ok kaya to on a 2 channel (diamond 9.1) setup?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 12, 2006 at 10:51 AM
Prologic receivers have a legacy that's quite close to their stereo precedessors and are said to have good stereo channel performance, especially mid-priced and flagship models.   There was no impetus at that time to have ALL channels be of equal power and bandwidth so the front stereo channels still had primacy.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Jul 12, 2006 at 09:55 PM
Thanks av_phile1  ;D

How much do you guys think should I pay for this amp. The owner doesnt know how to price his amp.

Thanks  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jojitv on Jul 13, 2006 at 08:40 AM

How much do you guys think should I pay for this amp. The owner doesnt know how to price his amp.


Mukhang balak mo mag-collect ng mga HK na amp ah? :P
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Jul 13, 2006 at 10:42 PM
di naman sir  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mardoc on Jul 14, 2006 at 02:36 PM
Consider like you are buying a surplus unit. It's really hard to set a fair price for that. But I think you could agree on a price acceptable to both of you. CIAO!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iamlet on Jul 17, 2006 at 04:11 PM
mga bossing,

magkano latest price ng 235 o 335?

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Jul 17, 2006 at 05:03 PM
mga bossing,

magkano latest price ng 235 o 335?



I think 235 is 23K and 335 30K (cash price sa digital dreams sm cyberzone) may 20% discount daw sila ngayon... Bili na bili na... Parang gusto ko nga mag upgrade ng 335 e... Hehehe...

Guys, How do you calibrate your HK with your EZSet? What volume are you using?

TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Jul 18, 2006 at 05:18 PM
I think 235 is 23K and 335 30K (cash price sa digital dreams sm cyberzone) may 20% discount daw sila ngayon... Bili na bili na... Parang gusto ko nga mag upgrade ng 335 e... Hehehe...

Guys, How do you calibrate your HK with your EZSet? What volume are you using?

TIA

the manual says that you have to place the volume level to -10dB which is very loud. kaya hanggang ngayon d ko pa nagamit yung EZSet function kc baka ma evict ako sa condo.....  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Jul 19, 2006 at 06:53 AM
the manual says that you have to place the volume level to -10dB which is very loud. kaya hanggang ngayon d ko pa nagamit yung EZSet function kc baka ma evict ako sa condo..... ;D

Medyo malakas na nga yun sir e, so how do you calibrate your system?

TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Jul 19, 2006 at 10:26 AM
Medyo malakas na nga yun sir e, so how do you calibrate your system?

TIA

i didnt.  ;D

i'm just contented how my set up sounds even without calibration.

OT:

well, i consider myself lucky not to be gifted with golden ears to distinguish the difference between a good sound set up to that of a karaoke or a passenger jeep set up for that matter.

Para di OT:

I wish sometimes the HK had a "Jeepney" DSP effect. he he he
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jul 19, 2006 at 09:23 PM
OT:  ;D

sana nga Yamaha has the "kuliglig" HCC power.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jul 21, 2006 at 09:35 AM
Hey guys, just got my brand new toy! ;)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a216/danrd/harman-kardon-avr335.jpg)

All I can say is - :o :o :o :o Tried my demo disk and realized its power. I could clearly listen all the wider sound details at only -30db. What more when crank it up. Falling train tires from "The Island" street chase scene was outstanding. I could feel the punches. Can't wait for the weekend. :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Jul 21, 2006 at 10:30 AM
congrats pare! nakakahawa sars ni sir Dan...

getting the itch.....  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jul 21, 2006 at 10:41 AM
congrats pare! nakakahawa sars ni sir Dan...

getting the itch.....  ;D

Thanks pre. I command you! Bili na!  ;D ;D ;D I'm sure it'll drive your Aurum Cantus very well. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 21, 2006 at 10:50 AM
I'm sure it'll drive your Aurum Cantus very well. :)

Definitely!

Congrats on your new toy pare!  :)

HK330/335 & up are best for floorstanding speakers, lalo na yung mga 2 woofer models.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jul 21, 2006 at 11:06 AM
nahahawa na rin ako, pag balik ko sa Pinas.... HK naman dagdag ko hehehe! congrats! danrd!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jul 21, 2006 at 11:07 AM
Definitely!

Congrats pare on your new toy pare!  :)

HK330/335 & up are best for floorstanding speakers, lalo na yung mga 2 woofer models.

Thanks Master Matz.  :) No regrets bout it. Pero kung alam mo lang. Di mawala yung hinayang ko na san yung 635 mo nakuha ko.  :'( Inisip ko na lang - Maybe in the near future.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jul 21, 2006 at 11:10 AM
nahahawa na rin ako, pag balik ko sa Pinas.... HK naman dagdag ko hehehe! congrats! danrd!

Thanks sir hattori! Yep, don't think twice bout HK. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Jul 21, 2006 at 05:36 PM
Thanks pre. I command you! Bili na!  ;D ;D ;D I'm sure it'll drive your Aurum Cantus very well. :)

sir, fortunately for my pocket, the itch went away as i remembered the 235 has pre outs and all i need is a power amp if i need it louder.

ok na rin power ng 235 for my aurum cantus sir. masyado na malakas at -30db.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 21, 2006 at 05:45 PM
sir, fortunately for my pocket, the itch went away as i remembered the 235 has pre outs and all i need is a power amp if i need it louder.

ok na rin power ng 235 for my aurum cantus sir. masyado na malakas at -30db.

Dont forget to consider the processor, not just the power. The better processors also contribute to the overall experience.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jul 21, 2006 at 06:13 PM
Dont forget to consider the processor, not just the power. The better processors also contribute to the overall experience.

Tonight I'll find out myself reg this processor issue. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sanction214 on Jul 21, 2006 at 09:14 PM
newbie po...tulong naman...parang kulang pa suggestions mga bossing...ok ba HK avr 135 for wharfedale 9.5 with jbl center and surrounds and sub? if not..what other model?...thanks
what is high current in avr?
best connection...coaxial or optical?
what is total harmonic distortion?
what does a d/a converter do?
if my sub/speakers signal to noise ratio is 86dB..should i get a match 86dB in amp or doesnt matter?
is it ok to mix match speakers? like 6 ohms and 8 ohms...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ricky on Jul 21, 2006 at 09:29 PM
Thanks Master Matz.  :) No regrets bout it. Pero kung alam mo lang. Di mawala yung hinayang ko na san yung 635 mo nakuha ko.  :'( Inisip ko na lang - Maybe in the near future.  :)


Hinayang din ako bro kasi for 10t diff future proof ka na sana ;) anyways iba pa din yung brand new ;D congrats bro 8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Jul 22, 2006 at 11:31 AM
Dont forget to consider the processor, not just the power. The better processors also contribute to the overall experience.

sir pareho lang ang processor ng 235 and 335.

235:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00065HLXI/002-1302766-5873620?n=172282

" The AVR 235 features a discrete-output amplifier that pumps seven channels of high-current (+/-35 amps), ultrawide-bandwidth power: 7 x 50 watts into 8 ohms, 20 to 20,000 Hz with less than 0.07 percent THD. Furthermore, the receiver uses state-of-the-art 192 kHz/24-bit audio digital-to-analog converters and a high-power Cirrus 32-bit DSP processor. "


335:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00065HLXS/002-1302766-5873620?n=172282

" Internally, it's engineered for impressive sonic performance, featuring a discrete-output amplifier pumping seven channels of high-current (+/-35 amps), ultrawide-bandwidth amplification--7 x 55 watts into 8 ohms, 20 to 20,000 Hz with less than 0.07 percent THD--in addition to state-of-the-art 192 kHz/24-bit audio digital-to-analog converters and a high-power Cirrus 32-bit DSP processor. "

cheers!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fong on Jul 22, 2006 at 02:48 PM
sa amazon pa nakikita yung info na yan, and not the harman kardon website itself.. grabe documentation really sucks! :'(

wala pa ba may balita re. *40 series? called the disti, near na daw, pero no exact date of launch, and wala pang SRPs!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 24, 2006 at 10:55 AM
Yes, correct. 235 and 335 has the same processor, but different amp section as I was told.

I actually was referring to higher models 435/0 or 635/0 (dual 32-bit processors). I experienced it kasi recently at their showroom in Megamall with the Infinity Beta HCS 5.1 speakers. These are just very small bookshelves and a sub , but when powered with the HK630, they sounded like floorstanders! I came back to listen to it again after a few weeks and I was wondering why it sounded thin and didnt have the UMPH anymore.

When I looked closer, I realized that they were using a HK 235. It was a blind test since I didnt know the amp being used. The salespeople said its not just the power but also the processor of the higher series that make up the wide floorstander-like sound.

So I just wanted to share this knowledge that I learned about receiver processors. (To clarify) I dont mean to put down any model, but only to objectively point out what I learned.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Jul 24, 2006 at 12:09 PM
thanks for the info sir!  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 24, 2006 at 01:45 PM
Yes, correct. 235 and 335 has the same processor, but different amp section as I was told.

I actually was referring to higher models 435/0 or 635/0 (dual 32-bit processors). I experienced it kasi recently at their showroom in Megamall with the Infinity Beta HCS 5.1 speakers. These are just very small bookshelves and a sub , but when powered with the HK630, they sounded like floorstanders! I came back to listen to it again after a few weeks and I was wondering why it sounded thin and didnt have the UMPH anymore.

When I looked closer, I realized that they were using a HK 235. It was a blind test since I didnt know the amp being used. The salespeople said its not just the power but also the processor of the higher series that make up the wide floorstander-like sound.

So I just wanted to share this knowledge that I learned about receiver processors. (To clarify) I dont mean to put down any model, but only to objectively point out what I learned.

I am curous what you mean by "umph."   Having dual or multiple digital and higher bit processors result in better detailing and noise floor advantages.      Also, just FYI, blind tests have little worth if the amps and speakers tested are not level-matched to within 0.5db.  If at all, the perceived"umph" difference can also be attributed to the power disparities and volume/speaker settings.   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 24, 2006 at 02:04 PM
I am curous what you mean by "umph."   Having dual or multiple digital and higher bit processors result in better detailing and noise floor advantages.      Also, just FYI, blind tests have little worth if the amps and speakers tested are not level-matched to within 0.5db.  If at all, the perceived"umph" difference can also be attributed to the power disparities and volume/speaker settings.   ;D

I actually meant the WOW factor- details, soundstage, etc. It was really different.  :)

For the blind test. ok lemme rephrase that..its a "sort of" a blind test, or a semi-blind test.  But volume wise, I had to turn up the volume of the 235 to match what I once heard with the 630. Di talaga kaya, the difference from the 630 was big.

I used to consider only the power factor & didnt consider the processor factor. Now I am a bit more enlightened bec. of that experience with the Infinity HCS.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hunter171s on Jul 24, 2006 at 02:20 PM
hello po sa inyong lahat.. (my first post) :)

i need your help.. planning to get the following:

HK AVR235
Wharfedale 9.6
Wharfedale 9.CM
Wharfedale 9.DFS
Velodyne CHT-12R

well-matched po ba yung mga speakers sa avr?  or do you have any other combo in mind? will be using this for 50% HT and 50% audio.. thanks in advance!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 24, 2006 at 02:32 PM
Seems like a good choice of gear.  The Wharfe 9.6 is rated at 40-200watts.  I am not sure if that's peak, which is more likely.  The HK is conservatively rated using FTC standards and delivers 50watts RMS at full bandwidth with all channels driven into 8 ohms, said to be equivalent to the 100watts RMS of most receivers using JETA or EIAJ standards rating the gear only at 1khz and only in stereo into 6 ohms.   The wharfe is rated at 6 ohms and should extract more current from the HK receiver which is said to  handle low loads better than many brands out there.  As far as wattage and imopedance is concerned, it's not exactly a perfect match but I see no serious mismatch here.  Though not adviseable, you should be able to drive the wharfe even near the HK's full volume with only a modest 0.07% THD.  I suggest you audition the combo you  have in mind using a CD familiar to you.    Just bear in mind that what's good in music will sound good in HT.  But not necessarily the reverse. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 24, 2006 at 02:38 PM
hello po sa inyong lahat.. (my first post) :)

i need your help.. planning to get the following:

HK AVR235
Wharfedale 9.6
Wharfedale 9.CM
Wharfedale 9.DFS
Velodyne CHT-12R

well-matched po ba yung mga speakers sa avr?  or do you have any other combo in mind? will be using this for 50% HT and 50% audio.. thanks in advance!

For floorstanders w/ multiple drivers like 9.6, I would recommend that you get at least HK335 & up  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hunter171s on Jul 24, 2006 at 03:03 PM
mga sirs, thank you very much sa mga input nyo.. actually i've been trying to convince my dad to get a bigger avr.. sabi nya and the sales guy na kausap namin yesterday sa park square 1 enough na daw yun.. pero i was having doubts (kasi nga dahil low impedance floorstanders on a low wattage amp, although i understand that HK are high current amps, di ko lang alam talaga ang extent kung hanggang saan yun "kaya") so i hold the purchase muna.. actually, ok naman yung tunog nya both for HT and audio (we auditioned it).. but my worry then was that baka di kayanin ng avr for longer periods of time.. now, i'm planning to get that badass avr635 (54.4k, ouch!).. if only i can convince my dad  :(.. again, thanks for your input.. bait niyo talaga :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 24, 2006 at 03:14 PM
It really depends on your listening habbit - how loud you normally listen.  And your room size.  The 235 can drive the 9.6 even at modest volumes.  But if you like it really loud, the 235 can easily be driven to full volume without the wharfe complaining due to the HK's superlative THD figures at full power.  And that can be taxing to the amp over long periods.  It really isn't adviseable to run commercial hi-fi amps at even 3/4 rated power over long periods.   The heat generated might be sufficient to fry an egg.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hunter171s on Jul 24, 2006 at 03:50 PM
i understand.. well, i usually listen to music "modestly" medyo loud but not to the extent na susugurin na ako ng kapitbahay namin.. same for movies.. the room by the way is 12sq m (maliit lang).. question po, magkano ave. price ng avr335?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Jul 24, 2006 at 06:37 PM
i've got a 235 and got floorstanding speakers rated at 4ohms. i've also got a living room relatively equal to your room, and at -30dB its usually very loud already. again, it all boils down to preference and the cash you're willing to spend on your gear.  ;D

sir dan recently bought a 335 and i believe its 30k+ at spectra. you may get a better price at Architectural  Audio or SGT Home Theater.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hunter171s on Jul 24, 2006 at 10:08 PM
@knefut

thank you for the info sir..

i visited architectural audio a while ago and auditioned the DALI concept 6.. for me it has a richer sound than the wharfedales.. parang mabayo kasi sa pandinig ko yung wharfedales e, or maybe its just me.. and the best part of it is that the HK AVR135 is enough to drive the concept 6, center, concept 1, and concept sub speakers.. sound quality is superb even at low volumes (i prefer SQ than SPL).. though i haven't tried using the velodyne sub (10" lang meron sila kanina).. i think this setup should be enough for my requirement, besides maliit lang naman talaga yung room.. sa tuwa ko pina-reserve ko na ung DALI speakers.. just waiting for the new HKs to arrive (hopefully next month).. planning to get the AVR240 instead of the AVR135 :)

thanks nga pala to chad, nico, and epoy for accommodating me.. more power to you guys :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Stoned Wall on Jul 25, 2006 at 10:10 AM
The HK 335 is one of the AVRs in my upgrade shortlist, the Yamaha 659 being the other.

An interesting info I pulled from the HK website is the specs of the HK335 and the newer HK340 (with an IPOD dock add-on, sold separately). Almost all specs are the same (power rating, etc.), except for the unit dimensions and weight. Below are the details I got from their website:

HK 335

Unit Dimensions:
   Width: 17.3" (440mm)
   Height: 6.6" (168mm)
   Depth: 15" (381mm)
Unit Weight: 31lb (14.1kg)

HK 340

Unit Dimensions:
   Width: 17.3" (440mm)
   Height: 5.9" (150mm)
   Depth: 13.8" (350mm)
Unit Weight: 24.4lb (11.1kg)

What I highlighted is the 3kg. weight difference between the two. Does this mean the newer 340 used much different components and other weight saving measures? Which is safer to get? I'm leaning towards the heavier 335 since I'm not really an IPOD person, thus the IPOD dock is of no interest for me.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Jul 25, 2006 at 10:37 AM
The weight is usually a good indicator of the quality of the power supply. Baka SMPS gamit? Or torroids? Anyone?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jul 25, 2006 at 10:52 AM
My weekend was really great! :o Tried and tested my new 335 and the result was outstanding. Ang lawak ng tunog (makapal as others may put it) Listeninglevel was playing along -30 to -20 lang (depende sa dvd quality) at the max on my setup.  ;) Creeping bass was also evident. Galing talaga ng HK.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: skylynx888 on Jul 25, 2006 at 11:01 AM
My weekend was really great! :o Tried and tested my new 335 and the result was outstanding. Ang lawak ng tunog (makapal as others may put it) Listeninglevel was playing along -30 to -20 lang (depende sa dvd quality) at the max on my setup.  ;) Creeping bass was also evident. Galing talaga ng HK.

gud am bro, how much did you get your 335? saan din po? planning to get yammy 659, gusto ko ng mg upgrade from my receiver of 3years[rxv440], kaya lang habang binabasa ko itong thread, and surfing the net regarding hk335, mukhang sulit din to!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

now, im at a lost :-[ :-X :'( ;D

thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 25, 2006 at 11:40 AM
If you like the DSP features of the Yamaha, you may not get much of that with the HK.  I personally would go for HK when it comes to bare HT and more audio muscle in the same or even slightly higher price range.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jul 25, 2006 at 11:52 AM
gud am bro, how much did you get your 335? saan din po? planning to get yammy 659, gusto ko ng mg upgrade from my receiver of 3years[rxv440], kaya lang habang binabasa ko itong thread, and surfing the net regarding hk335, mukhang sulit din to!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

now, im at a lost :-[ :-X :'( ;D

thanks

Pre 31.5K at Spectra. Look for Jose or Jim. Great guys.  :) I was a Yamaha user before. I really love its dsp's. It's one of my major adjustments when I shifted to HK. But i never came back at Yamaha soon as I got used to HK. I've learned to love the "PURE SOUND REALISM" of HK. But that's just me pre. Ala pa rin tatalo sa audition. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: hunter171s on Jul 25, 2006 at 01:35 PM
29.6k na lang yung avr335 sa architectural audio :d
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dench on Jul 25, 2006 at 01:50 PM
@knefut

thank you for the info sir..

i visited architectural audio a while ago and auditioned the DALI concept 6.. for me it has a richer sound than the wharfedales.. parang mabayo kasi sa pandinig ko yung wharfedales e, or maybe its just me.. and the best part of it is that the HK AVR135 is enough to drive the concept 6, center, concept 1, and concept sub speakers.. sound quality is superb even at low volumes (i prefer SQ than SPL).. though i haven't tried using the velodyne sub (10" lang meron sila kanina).. i think this setup should be enough for my requirement, besides maliit lang naman talaga yung room.. sa tuwa ko pina-reserve ko na ung DALI speakers.. just waiting for the new HKs to arrive (hopefully next month).. planning to get the AVR240 instead of the AVR135 :)


bro,

sent u PM u may consider :)

thanks nga pala to chad, nico, and epoy for accommodating me.. more power to you guys :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: skylynx888 on Jul 25, 2006 at 02:02 PM
Pre 31.5K at Spectra. Look for Jose or Jim. Great guys.  :) I was a Yamaha user before. I really love its dsp's. It's one of my major adjustments when I shifted to HK. But i never came back at Yamaha soon as I got used to HK. I've learned to love the "PURE SOUND REALISM" of HK. But that's just me pre. Ala pa rin tatalo sa audition. :)

thanks bro... tama ka nga , audition would be the best thing to do, sometime September pa naman ako bibili, currrently under construction p HT room ko.... dami nang gastos :'( :'( :'( , tsaka grabe na ang SARS dito sa pinoydvd, INCURABLE :o :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: vtec3 on Jul 25, 2006 at 02:05 PM
if i change my current Marantz to HK, will the sound of my speakers (MS) improve significantly?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 25, 2006 at 02:27 PM
That would be quite difficult to answer. Only your ears can tell.   Either that or someone else has done the same thing with the EXACT same gears to share his personal assessment. HK is not necessarily superior to Marantz, or vice versa, under general terms, to comment either way and with blanket conviction.

But if you tell me the technical specs of your marantz model, the HK model you have in mind and your MS speakers,  it's possible to give a comment or two based on published specs ONLY.   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: vtec3 on Jul 25, 2006 at 03:10 PM
sir AV sent you a pm. Thanks very much!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Jul 25, 2006 at 09:46 PM
hunter,

thank you also for considering Architectural Audio and its product offerings :):):)



@knefut

thank you for the info sir..

i visited architectural audio a while ago and auditioned the DALI concept 6.. for me it has a richer sound than the wharfedales.. parang mabayo kasi sa pandinig ko yung wharfedales e, or maybe its just me.. and the best part of it is that the HK AVR135 is enough to drive the concept 6, center, concept 1, and concept sub speakers.. sound quality is superb even at low volumes (i prefer SQ than SPL).. though i haven't tried using the velodyne sub (10" lang meron sila kanina).. i think this setup should be enough for my requirement, besides maliit lang naman talaga yung room.. sa tuwa ko pina-reserve ko na ung DALI speakers.. just waiting for the new HKs to arrive (hopefully next month).. planning to get the AVR240 instead of the AVR135 :)

thanks nga pala to chad, nico, and epoy for accommodating me.. more power to you guys :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iamlet on Jul 25, 2006 at 11:03 PM
how much will the AVR 240 sell here?

will there be noticeable difference between the 240 and the 235 aside from the bridge?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Jul 26, 2006 at 09:01 AM
how much will the AVR 240 sell here?

will there be noticeable difference between the 240 and the 235 aside from the bridge?

sa sound, wala.  ;D

sa itsura at bigat, meron.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: czedryk on Jul 27, 2006 at 10:58 AM
Hi guys,

hope you could help me with my prob...

I'm having problems with my HK630. It usually shuts-off (sets to Stand-by) for no particular reason.
I already sent this to Beyond Innovations last March, in which they said that there's a part that needs replacing.
But this last days, it's happening again...
At 1st I thought that the auto-protect is just activating, but my volume is only -20dB; which is still relatively low...

Does the speakers I'm currently has an impact on the AVR?
My L & R is a pair of B&W601s3, but i'm still using my old MS304 for the center, and MS302 for the surrounds.

Are there any other factors that might cause this?

Tnx!!!


PS.
The B&W's are rated 100w @ 8ohms while the MS's are 80w @ 4ohms
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 27, 2006 at 04:30 PM
Since this happened before and a part has been replaced, maybe the recurrence is caused by the same part that needs servicing again. 

Even if the HK is a high current receiver that can handle low loads, there's a good chance the MS at 4 ohms is causing your center and rear chanels to activate the protection circuits, especially if their impedance behaviour dips to less than 2 ohms at certain frequencies which may not be the case with most commercial speakers rated at 8 ohms nominal, regardless of volume.  Try to take out the 4 ohm speakers, listen only in stereo or with phantomed center at loud but comfy levels and see if the protection still trips, in which case your receiver may need servicing. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 27, 2006 at 04:47 PM
Something like this happened to my friend's HK635. He is using Dynaudios for the front 3 channel and daiichi ceiling speakers for the rear. And gee, the installer of his HT used very thin, maybe 18 to 20 ga wires for the Daiichi surrounds.

Another friend speculated that the Daiichi surrounds might be the cause since he had a previous experience where his amps got damaged when he was using Daiichi speakers. Again speculation lang.

My friend's DSP board got burned, costing him, OUCH, P12k for the repair.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: czedryk on Jul 27, 2006 at 04:59 PM
Tnx for the reply sir AV, sir Mat....
I'll run a test this Sat, will only hook the 2 B&Ws and see what happens...

I hope this doesn't need another repair...  :'(

Tnx again...

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EHMBU on Jul 27, 2006 at 04:59 PM
Guys i have 2 dvd player one is pioneer and the other one is generic only...

Question:
pwede ko ba ikabit sa hk235 ko ung isang dvd player(pioneer) ko sa dvd input using optical cable and yung generic dvd player ko sa cd input using coaxial cable ng receiver?

Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Jul 27, 2006 at 07:14 PM
The generic one doesn't have a digital out? The 235 has 2 optical/2 coaxial inputs.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 27, 2006 at 07:23 PM
You can also use the generic's 5.1 analog out to mate with the 235's 5.1 input (it has 8 channel analog inputs.)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EHMBU on Jul 28, 2006 at 09:03 AM
The generic one doesn't have a digital out? The 235 has 2 optical/2 coaxial inputs.

Sir yung sa akin meron optical and coaxial out (unikon) yun nga lang walang DTS... Pwede ko ba ikabit sa cd input ng receiver ito thru coaxial o dapat cd player lang ang dapat isaksak sa cd input ng receiver?

sir av_phile 1,

pano po yun? ang meron lang po sa generic dvd player ko is optical out, coaxial out, component out, regular rca out and 5.1 out.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Jul 28, 2006 at 09:13 AM
If you use any of the player's digital output, the processing will be done by your receiver instead of the player's onboard decoders. Sa madaling sabi, you get DTS.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 28, 2006 at 10:30 AM
Sir yung sa akin meron optical and coaxial out (unikon) yun nga lang walang DTS... Pwede ko ba ikabit sa cd input ng receiver ito thru coaxial o dapat cd player lang ang dapat isaksak sa cd input ng receiver?

sir av_phile 1,

pano po yun? ang meron lang po sa generic dvd player ko is optical out, coaxial out, component out, regular rca out and 5.1 out.

Based on the downloaded manual of the HK235, it has 2 optical ins and 2 digirtal co-ax ins.   So your pioneer DVD player can connect to an optical and your generic to another optical or coax since, as you said, the generic has both.

Alternatively, since your generic also has 5.1 analog output, it can also connect to the 235's multichannel analog input.

If you connect the DVD player's stereo out to the 235's CD input, you won't get discreet 5.1 DD signals, just stereo signals which can also benefit from the Prologic processing of the receiver. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Jul 28, 2006 at 10:43 AM
If you use any of the player's digital output, the processing will be done by your receiver instead of the player's onboard decoders. Sa madaling sabi, you get DTS.

Bro, i tried this using nextbase 656 dvd player (walang dts decoder) hooked it up to HK avr135 using optical out.  Wala pa ring DTS sir.  Tried it also sa Daewoo DVD player na walang DTS, wala rin.  When i tried naman sa pioneer dvd player ko, nagkaroon ng DTS.  So i guess kelangan ng DVD player na may DTS decoder maski may receiver.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EHMBU on Jul 28, 2006 at 10:50 AM
If you use any of the player's digital output, the processing will be done by your receiver instead of the player's onboard decoders. Sa madaling sabi, you get DTS.

sorry sir pero sa pagkakaalam ko kapag ang player mo walang DTS kahit may DTS yung receiver mo baliwala yung DTS ng receiver (correct me if im wrong) ....

My main problem is kung pwede ba ikabit sa cd input ng receiver ko yung dvd player ko na unikon(generic) as cd player either coaxial, optical or analog(red and white rca) connection...

Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Jul 28, 2006 at 10:57 AM
Bro, i tried this using nextbase 656 dvd player (walang dts decoder) hooked it up to HK avr135 using optical out.  Wala pa ring DTS sir.  Tried it also sa Daewoo DVD player na walang DTS, wala rin.  When i tried naman sa pioneer dvd player ko, nagkaroon ng DTS.  So i guess kelangan ng DVD player na may DTS decoder maski may receiver.

I did some search and stand corrected. The player needs to have "DTS passthru".
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EHMBU on Jul 28, 2006 at 10:58 AM
Based on the downloaded manual of the HK235, it has 2 optical ins and 2 digirtal co-ax ins.  So your pioneer DVD player can connect to an optical and your generic to another optical or coax since, as you said, the generic has both.

Alternatively, since your generic also has 5.1 analog output, it can also connect to the 235's multichannel analog input.

If you connect the DVD player's stereo out to the 235's CD input, you won't get discreet 5.1 DD signals, just stereo signals which can also benefit from the Prologic processing of the receiver.  

This is my set up sir:

dvd player(pioneer) ---- optical input of receiver (for HT purpose)
dvd player(generic) ---- cd input of receiver (for music) what connection po ang best sa tingin nyo

thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Jul 28, 2006 at 11:00 AM

My main problem is kung pwede ba ikabit sa cd input ng receiver ko yung dvd player ko na unikon(generic) as cd player either coaxial, optical or analog(red and white rca) connection...

Thanks

Sir pwede po.  Maski VHS player pa ikabit sa CD input ng reciever pwede rin po.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Jul 28, 2006 at 11:03 AM
This is my set up sir:

dvd player(pioneer) ---- optical input of receiver (for HT purpose)
dvd player(generic) ---- cd input of receiver (for music) what connection po ang best sa tingin nyo

thanks

Sorry po maam pala... anyway, maam siguro po mag RCA ka na lang.  Wala kong naririnig na difference pag optical/coaxial compared sa RCA lang eh for audio.  Mas mura pa yung cable. I'm not sure lang po siguro kasi untrained lang ang ears ko
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 28, 2006 at 11:40 AM
This is my set up sir:

dvd player(pioneer) ---- optical input of receiver (for HT purpose)
dvd player(generic) ---- cd input of receiver (for music) what connection po ang best sa tingin nyo

thanks

Like I said, your generic can also connect to your receiver via optical, regardless of whether you use it for music or for HT.  I would connect it via digital, knowing that the HK AVR would have a better decoding and DAC processor than a generic player. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: aHobbit on Jul 28, 2006 at 02:46 PM
If you use any of the player's digital output, the processing will be done by your receiver instead of the player's onboard decoders. Sa madaling sabi, you get DTS.

IF you use the optical cable, even if you dont have DTS decoder in the DVD player, will play DTS recording via the receiver's DTS decoder.

DVD+receiver can be configured 2 ways for you to get DTS

(1) DVD set to put out DTS : the receiver receives the default signal (the DVD-outputted DTS)

OR

(2) DVD set to put out RAW signal : the receiver is configured to select the DTS signal from the RAW signal - this configuration make use of your DVD player as mere transport - not the decoding feature.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: aHobbit on Jul 28, 2006 at 02:50 PM
Bro, i tried this using nextbase 656 dvd player (walang dts decoder) hooked it up to HK avr135 using optical out.  Wala pa ring DTS sir.  Tried it also sa Daewoo DVD player na walang DTS, wala rin.  When i tried naman sa pioneer dvd player ko, nagkaroon ng DTS.  So i guess kelangan ng DVD player na may DTS decoder maski may receiver.

Choose RAW output in the NEXTBASE DVD player : Configure your AVR to select/process the DTS signal
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Jul 28, 2006 at 03:05 PM
Ah ganun pala yun.  Thank you sir for enlightening me !
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Jul 28, 2006 at 04:50 PM
so, tama ba? kahit walang built in dts decoder yung dvdplayer basta connected digitally sa avr na may dts decoder pwere ka pa rin manood using dts mode?

e paano kung sa 6 channel direct input connected ganun rin ba?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Jul 28, 2006 at 05:06 PM
Guys i have 2 dvd player one is pioneer and the other one is generic only...

Question:
pwede ko ba ikabit sa hk235 ko ung isang dvd player(pioneer) ko sa dvd input using optical cable and yung generic dvd player ko sa cd input using coaxial cable ng receiver?

Thanks

di po ba pwede mo rin ikabit yan sa Video 1 or Video 2 inputs?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kojie on Jul 28, 2006 at 09:48 PM
Planning to get the jbl scs200.6 and hk135 sa abensons.. ok pa rin ba na combo to ?? my budget is limited, kung may suggestions kyo na mas ok please feel free to do so ... :D

tnx in advance .
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: skylynx888 on Jul 28, 2006 at 10:35 PM
pipol, may service center b HK dito? Im not sure if my question has been asked in the previous pages or can be found somewhere... ;D, thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Jul 29, 2006 at 07:58 AM
Planning to get the jbl scs200.6 and hk135 sa abensons.. ok pa rin ba na combo to ?? my budget is limited, kung may suggestions kyo na mas ok please feel free to do so ... :D

tnx in advance .

Bro mahal sa abenson. saang abenson ka ba tumingin? How much yang combo?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EHMBU on Jul 29, 2006 at 08:48 AM
Like I said, your generic can also connect to your receiver via optical, regardless of whether you use it for music or for HT. I would connect it via digital, knowing that the HK AVR would have a better decoding and DAC processor than a generic player.

Thanks sir... I use my coaxial cable nalang gagamitin ko since may extra coax ako...
Thanks alot sir...

Sorry po maam pala... anyway, maam siguro po mag RCA ka na lang. Wala kong naririnig na difference pag optical/coaxial compared sa RCA lang eh for audio. Mas mura pa yung cable. I'm not sure lang po siguro kasi untrained lang ang ears ko

Untrained din po yung tenga ko sir, but i have extra coax kaya hindi na po ako bibilli unlsess may i-recommend kyo na mas ok ang connection na wala ako tsaka lang ako bibibli...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: EHMBU on Jul 29, 2006 at 08:53 AM
pipol, may service center b HK dito? Im not sure if my question has been asked in the previous pages or can be found somewhere... ;D, thanks

Sir sa Beyond Innovations (unit B4 Topy's Plate, Calle, industria, Cor. economia St., Libis Q.C.

Hope this help...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: skylynx888 on Jul 29, 2006 at 09:52 AM
Sir sa Beyond Innovations (unit B4 Topy's Plate, Calle, industria, Cor. economia St., Libis Q.C.

Hope this help...

thank you po... ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: classicman on Jul 29, 2006 at 10:12 AM
so, tama ba? kahit walang built in dts decoder yung dvdplayer basta connected digitally sa avr na may dts decoder pwere ka pa rin manood using dts mode?

yup, tama po kayo dito


Quote
e paano kung sa 6 channel direct input connected ganun rin ba?

hindi na po parehas yan kasi magiging "analog" na ang connection nyo nyan, so walang "dts" kung wala ring decoder ang player nyo

 8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Jul 29, 2006 at 10:27 AM
Look for the "DTS digital out" logo.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Jul 29, 2006 at 10:58 AM
Planning to get the jbl scs200.6 and hk135 sa abensons.. ok pa rin ba na combo to ?? my budget is limited, kung may suggestions kyo na mas ok please feel free to do so ... :D

tnx in advance .

mahal nga sa abensons. you can get the 135 cheaper elsewhere.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: chiemonyo on Jul 29, 2006 at 11:17 AM
Just saw HK AVR135 at Spectra Parksquare yesterday tagged at 18.5 K..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: aHobbit on Jul 29, 2006 at 11:58 AM
so, tama ba? kahit walang built in dts decoder yung dvdplayer basta connected digitally sa avr na may dts decoder pwere ka pa rin manood using dts mode?

e paano kung sa 6 channel direct input connected ganun rin ba?

sa 1st question - yes - but you have to configure both DVD (RAW output) and AVR (process DTS).

sa 2nd question - no - AVR can only decode digital signal, RCA is an analog signal - already decoded. thus, if your DVD is set to DTS and has no decoder, RCA will have no signal.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kojie on Jul 29, 2006 at 01:24 PM
Bro mahal sa abenson. saang abenson ka ba tumingin? How much yang combo?

balak ko yugn combo nila na jbl scs 200.6 and hk avr 135 for 36k ... ok na price ba yun ??

if not saan mas mura?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietra on Jul 29, 2006 at 06:21 PM
Sir sa Beyond Innovations (unit B4 Topy's Plate, Calle, industria, Cor. economia St., Libis Q.C.

Hope this help...

i just brought my avr230 there the other day. its stuck in standby mode. still waiting for their diagnosis and quotation.  :-\

it stopped working the other day, exactly 1 month after the 1 year warranty expired.  >:(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: czedryk on Jul 31, 2006 at 10:07 AM
Tnx for the reply sir AV, sir Mat....
I'll run a test this Sat, will only hook the 2 B&Ws and see what happens...

I hope this doesn't need another repair...  :'(

Tnx again...

My fears were realised last Sat when I tested my AVR in stereo mode (by unhooking other channels)
It worked for a couple of mins... then suddenly it stopped and went on Standby mode... It didn't turn on again...

Decided to stop the test that it might cause a few more damages in the AVR.

Already called Beyond Innovations and they said that I have no choice but to bring it back to them...  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iamlet on Aug 01, 2006 at 12:38 PM
guys,

got my first receiver... a 235.

tried to pair it with a wharfe 9.5, but i thought its more than what i need, so I got a 9.1 instead.

sulit..

thanks for all the inputs dito thread.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Aug 01, 2006 at 12:55 PM
guys,

got my first receiver... a 235.

tried to pair it with a wharfe 9.5, but i thought its more than what i need, so I got a 9.1 instead.

sulit..

thanks for all the inputs dito thread.

wait til they're fully broken in sir...  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 01, 2006 at 01:52 PM
guys,

got my first receiver... a 235.

tried to pair it with a wharfe 9.5, but i thought its more than what i need, so I got a 9.1 instead.

sulit..

thanks for all the inputs dito thread.

congrats! Good combo!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Aug 01, 2006 at 04:36 PM
Quote
guys,

got my first receiver... a 235.

tried to pair it with a wharfe 9.5, but i thought its more than what i need, so I got a 9.1 instead.

sulit..

thanks for all the inputs dito thread.

Congrats!  :) Welcome to the club. Sayang, that should sound better with a 9.5.  But that's enough anyway.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Aug 07, 2006 at 08:51 PM
meron na daw HK140 sa architectural audio..
malamang na-try na nila ito kaya ito ang masasabi nila...

first impression nila:Bigger sounding, instruments/effects are more separated, warmer yet more detailed than the 135.

hmm...pano kaya pag 240 naman? :)

sabi ng mga napag tanungan ko..wala naman daw pinagkaiba yung 135 at yung 140..yung ipod dock lang ang nadagdag..sa tingin ko lang naman...hindi lang naman cguro yung ipod dock yung nadagdag.."opinion ko palang to kahit hindi ko pa na audition" :)

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Aug 07, 2006 at 09:17 PM
Mga bros, question lang.

Sa tingin nyo, ano mas magandang combination sa sound quality lang? Hindi na kasama yung features ng AVR like preouts etc..

AVR235 + Wharfedale 9.5 / 9.6 (6 ohm speakers , higher wattage avr)
or
AVR135 + Mission m34 (8 ohm speakers, lower wattage avr)

Gusto ko lang po malaman inputs nyo mga gurus.  Salamat!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 08, 2006 at 10:30 AM
Mga bros, question lang.

Sa tingin nyo, ano mas magandang combination sa sound quality lang? Hindi na kasama yung features ng AVR like preouts etc..

AVR235 + Wharfedale 9.5 / 9.6 (6 ohm speakers , higher wattage avr)
or
AVR135 + Mission m34 (8 ohm speakers, lower wattage avr)

Gusto ko lang po malaman inputs nyo mga gurus.  Salamat!

Danrd! Ikaw makakasagot nito.  Nasubukan mo na both HK 135 & 335. Ano masasabi mo sa difference?  :)

Bong, I suggest get the higher models for floorstanders. I have a friend who bought a 235 for his floorstanders and bitin daw.

Kung sa sound quality lang, almost the same ang amp section ng 135 & 235. But iba na ginamit nilang amp for 335 up. Kaya sya mas mahal kahit 5w lang difference. So you would hear a better sound quality only at 335 & up.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Aug 08, 2006 at 10:44 AM
Danrd! Ikaw makakasagot nito.  Nasubukan mo na both HK 135 & 335. Ano masasabi mo sa difference?  :)

Bong, I suggest get the higher models for floorstanders. I have a friend who bought a 235 for his floorstanders and bitin daw.

Kung sa sound quality lang, almost the same ang amp section ng 135 & 235. But iba na ginamit nilang amp for 335 up. Kaya sya mas mahal kahit 5w lang difference. So you would hear a better sound quality only at 335 & up.

Yes I actually have pmed bong reg this. And I think he went for it and bought the Missions. I experienced the same scenario. I really felt the VERY BIG difference in upgrading speakers at 8ohms.

Quote
AVR235 + Wharfedale 9.5 / 9.6 (6 ohm speakers , higher wattage avr)
or
AVR135 + Mission m34 (8 ohm speakers, lower wattage avr)

My survey says:
AVR135 + Mission m34 (8 ohm speakers, lower wattage avr)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Aug 08, 2006 at 11:03 AM
Danrd! Ikaw makakasagot nito.  Nasubukan mo na both HK 135 & 335. Ano masasabi mo sa difference?  :)

Bong, I suggest get the higher models for floorstanders. I have a friend who bought a 235 for his floorstanders and bitin daw.

Kung sa sound quality lang, almost the same ang amp section ng 135 & 235. But iba na ginamit nilang amp for 335 up. Kaya sya mas mahal kahit 5w lang difference. So you would hear a better sound quality only at 335 & up.

Sir matz, I just want to confirm lang po kasi my experience.  Kasi tama si pareng danrd.  I consulted him po kasi para sa upgrade ko.  Parang nag upgrade ako ng AVR nung nagpalit ako ng floorstanders from Euros8 towers (6 ohms) to mission m74i (8 ohms).  Although sa normal listening levels parang pantay lang sila, mararamdaman mo yung difference pag cranked up ang volume.  Anlaki pala ng difference ng 2ohms.

Point of reference lang yung wharfedale 9.5/9.6 na 6ohms kasi alam ko maraming may ganyang floorstanders dito kesa sa euros 8 at mission m34 naman kasi marami ding may experience sa m34 dito compared sa m74i.

Kaya I'm wondering kung you were to choose po kung ibabase sa sound quality lang, 235 + 6 ohms Floorstanders versus 135 +8 ohms floorstanders, what would you choose?

Salamat po sa lahat ng magrereply!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Aug 08, 2006 at 11:11 AM
Yes I actually have pmed bong reg this. And I think he went for it and bought the Missions. I experienced the same scenario. I really felt the VERY BIG difference in upgrading speakers at 8ohms.

My survey says:
AVR135 + Mission m34 (8 ohm speakers, lower wattage avr)


Yes sir danrd thanks for input.  You're a big influence po talaga sa decision ko. Wala eh IDOL eh!

Meron pa po ba may experience na ganito?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Aug 08, 2006 at 11:24 AM
Yes sir danrd thanks for input.  You're a big influence po talaga sa decision ko. Wala eh IDOL eh!

Meron pa po ba may experience na ganito?

I'm glad you're happy with your decision. Enjoy mo muna yan then go for Velo pag may pera ka na ulit. The important thing is sulit ang moves mo every step of the way.   ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Aug 08, 2006 at 11:32 AM
Bong, I suggest get the higher models for floorstanders. I have a friend who bought a 235 for his floorstanders and bitin daw.

Anong speakers nya sir? Tsaka baka malaki HT room nya?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 08, 2006 at 11:49 AM
Tama si Danrd bong. Dapat SULIT moves mo every step of the way. I would go for the Missions without batting an eyelid. I have heard the Wharfe, they are good speakers, but its not to my listening taste.

Baka masayang kasi pag nag 135 ka and you might get the upgrade itch someday. Better get a good receiver and be happy with it for a long time. Pag on a budget ka talaga, My least recommendation is stretch your budget a bit, get a 235, then save up for a power amp (marami sa buy & sell section).

Room nya is almost as big as mine but open to the dining area. He alternates between Dali and Usher.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Aug 08, 2006 at 12:09 PM
Tama si Danrd bong. Dapat SULIT moves mo every step of the way. I would go for the Missions without batting an eyelid. I have heard the Wharfe, they are good speakers, but its not to my listening taste.

Baka masayang kasi pag nag 135 ka and you might get the upgrade itch someday. Better get a good receiver and be happy with it for a long time. Pag on a budget ka talaga, My least recommendation is stretch your budget a bit, get a 235, then save up for a power amp (marami sa buy & sell section).

Sir matz, matagal na kong naka AVR135.  May set of speakers na rin ako, Euros8 FS,center and surrounds.  Yung mission upgrade na po yun :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 08, 2006 at 12:15 PM
Oops. sowee, I forgot. heheh  :). Kala ko kasi sa tanong mo 235 + wharfe or 135 + Missions eh bibili ka pa lang ng AVR.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Aug 08, 2006 at 12:23 PM
I'm glad you're happy with your decision. Enjoy mo muna yan then go for Velo pag may pera ka na ulit. The important thing is sulit ang moves mo every step of the way.   ;)

Thanks ulit sir.  Yung velo matatagalan pa yun for sure hehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Aug 08, 2006 at 12:36 PM
Thanks ulit sir.  Yung velo matatagalan pa yun for sure hehe

Don't hurry for a sub. Believe me, your floorstanders are quite enough for now. Sometimes mas maganda pa nga walang sub kasi no booms. Basta floorstanders, you'll get clear highs and mids.  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BongerDude on Aug 08, 2006 at 01:37 PM
Don't hurry for a sub. Believe me, your floorstanders are quite enough for now. Sometimes mas maganda pa nga walang sub kasi no booms. Basta floorstanders, you'll get clear highs and mids.  ;)

Eh ganun na nga mangyayari sir, eh maski magmadali ako eh wala namang pera, wala rin!  ;D ;D ;D
Oops. sowee, I forgot. heheh  :). Kala ko kasi sa tanong mo 235 + wharfe or 135 + Missions eh bibili ka pa lang ng AVR.

Hehe no prob idol.

Sa experience ko lang, para sa mga magstastart mag HT na limited ang budget at nagbabalak kumuha ng AVR135-235, siguro dapat ipartner sa kanila either bookshelves OR floorstanders na 8ohms para mas ma appreciate.  Tama si sir Matz eh, if you're planning to use floorstanders na kadalasang 6ohms, dapat 335 and up.  Nung una parang nabibitin ako sa 135 paired with euros8 towers, but now i appreciate the 40w of my 135 because of the right speakers.  Yun po ay opinion ko lamang based sa experience ko.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ArchitecturalAudio on Aug 08, 2006 at 02:51 PM
Hi Keema,

The 140 uses the DSP Processor Cirrus CS 49400 while the 135 uses the Cirrus CS 49326 :):):)





sabi ng mga napag tanungan ko..wala naman daw pinagkaiba yung 135 at yung 140..yung ipod dock lang ang nadagdag..sa tingin ko lang naman...hindi lang naman cguro yung ipod dock yung nadagdag.."opinion ko palang to kahit hindi ko pa na audition" :)


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Acoustic Alchemy on Aug 09, 2006 at 09:20 AM
"Baka masayang kasi pag nag 135 ka and you might get the upgrade itch someday. Better get a good receiver and be happy with it for a long time. Pag on a budget ka talaga, My least recommendation is stretch your budget a bit, get a 235, then save up for a power amp (marami sa buy & sell section)."

Correct ka jan, sir!

I'm currently using a 235 matched with AE floorstanding speakers (bought from Ganicru just before Christmas last year), and I'm really enjoying it.

And now I have this itch to upgrade, and I like to shift to tubes. ;D

You were also right, boss, when you recommended to look for powers amps sa buy & sell section. Ang daming mapagpi-pilian. And the fun of it all, super galing ng mga kausap jan. No frills. No hassles. Very professional. In fact, tuturuan and tutulungan ka pa nila sa set-up and everything! :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sillyputty on Aug 09, 2006 at 09:53 AM
personally i wouldnt buy a receiver that doesn't have preouts...
tipid muna...buy a receiver with preouts..buy a decent speaker...maybe a 9.1..then pag may budget na uli e tsaka ka bumili ng speaker na gusto mo..gawin mo na lang sr o sb yung 9.1 hehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Aug 17, 2006 at 03:03 PM
Is Harman Kardon good for ouputting stereo sound (audio cd's , vinyls if ever)?
1. Are there additional settings that I need to tinker?

2. For example, I use stereo mode of HK does it mean that it is using the digital connection or the analog one?

3. What are the differences ba if I use one over the other?

4. Would it be preferrable to have those both analog and digital setup?

Thanks for the replies.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iceman90a on Aug 17, 2006 at 06:47 PM
Is Harman Kardon good for ouputting stereo sound (audio cd's , vinyls if ever)?
1. Are there additional settings that I need to tinker?
- not really, but I prefer setting tone defeat to ON (this disables bass & treble controls of the HK avr so what you should get is the sound from the source with no processing)

2. For example, I use stereo mode of HK does it mean that it is using the digital connection or the analog one?
- stereo can be used with either the digital or analog connectionS with a dvd player or cd player (but only with analog for turntables)
- for CD player i prefer using the analog connections, this way the DAC being used is that of the cd player

3. What are the differences ba if I use one over the other?
- analog connection you use the source player's DAC, with the digital connection you use the HK avr's dac

4. Would it be preferrable to have those both analog and digital setup?
- depends on your preference :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dagul27 on Aug 18, 2006 at 12:09 AM
Mga sir, I'm choosing between an HK-AVR435(sale at $479.99 regular price is $999.99, free shipping) and a Pioneer VSX-1016TXVK THX Select ($446.74 inc. shipping) .I won't be able to auditon both because it's online.What do you guys think ?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jerix on Aug 18, 2006 at 07:38 AM
Mga sir, I'm choosing between an HK-AVR435(sale at $479.99 regular price is $999.99, free shipping) and a Pioneer VSX-1016TXVK THX Select ($446.74 inc. shipping) .I won't be able to auditon both because it's online.What do you guys think ?

You're in the HK thread ---- so HK  ;D

Tariff on electronics is looming areound so why not wait till xmas season baka makamuara ka ng malaki  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dagul27 on Aug 19, 2006 at 12:03 AM
oo nga,hehehe.
 ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dagul27 on Aug 20, 2006 at 01:24 AM
So if i'm going to get the HK 435, i might as well get the Infinity Primus 360 floorstanders since they came from the same company.They should be a perfect match, tama po ba?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spy45cal on Aug 20, 2006 at 07:39 PM
So if i'm going to get the HK 435, i might as well get the Infinity Primus 360 floorstanders since they came from the same company.They should be a perfect match, tama po ba?

IMHO, depende yun sa taste mo bro and depende sa type of music na pinapakinggan mo...
Try to audition other brand with your preferred receiver para wala pagsisisi sa huli...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ravel on Aug 22, 2006 at 07:33 AM
Has anyone tried using H/K AVR's remote to control a Samsung Slimfit TV (WS32Z40HN)?  The two Samsung TV codes doesn't seem to work and its taking forever on auto so I just stopped (but I was able to control my Pioneer DVP).
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 23, 2006 at 10:04 AM
Is Harman Kardon good for ouputting stereo sound (audio cd's , vinyls if ever)?
1. Are there additional settings that I need to tinker?
- not really, but I prefer setting tone defeat to ON (this disables bass & treble controls of the HK avr so what you should get is the sound from the source with no processing)

2. For example, I use stereo mode of HK does it mean that it is using the digital connection or the analog one?
- stereo can be used with either the digital or analog connectionS with a dvd player or cd player (but only with analog for turntables)
- for CD player i prefer using the analog connections, this way the DAC being used is that of the cd player

3. What are the differences ba if I use one over the other?
- analog connection you use the source player's DAC, with the digital connection you use the HK avr's dac

4. Would it be preferrable to have those both analog and digital setup?
- depends on your preference :)

Based on my experience with my HK630:

HK 630 has a good DAC, so using digital for DVD players and entry level CDPs or surplus CDPs (DAC tech is old) is OK. I used analog but I really cant tell the difference. But the difference between DVDp & CDP in a stereo setup via analog(no DAC)  is very noticeable, IME.

But when I used my new BADA tube CDP (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=42114.msg614244#msg614244) (mid level), the difference was big  :o. I could actually tell the difference.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietro on Aug 27, 2006 at 06:21 PM
need help with my hk avr230. just got it back from beyond innovations last week. sent it in because it got stuck on standby mode. the guy there said power fluctuations may have caused it to go on standby. now, after just a week, its stuck again on standby.  >:( it is currently plugged into my 1000w avr, do i have to change this and get a ups? or is there some other possible cause? thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alleyartist on Aug 29, 2006 at 02:42 PM
hi all,

i still have an hk avr 2000. and i wish to upgrade my speakers soon. mukhang nagagawa pa naman ng receiver trabaho nya. i currently have a set of yamaha nx 220p.

thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 29, 2006 at 02:50 PM
Hi pietro. Ibalik mo na lang uli sa kanila.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 30, 2006 at 11:11 AM
I got the chance to browse a 1997 AV magazine and noticed that most popular receivers (even high end ones) that time had power ratings same as HK: bordering at 70w for fronts and 35w for surrounds (di pa uso multi channel music siguro).

If I remember correctly, the 140w above were already flagship models. Maybe they use a different way of measuring power back then.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 30, 2006 at 11:19 AM
Baka all channels driven kaya mababa. If recall correctly (from the audioholics forum), the mid level Denon 3805 (example lang po) is actually 70wpc, all channels driven. Ngayon kc popular yung 100+W x n channels na misleading naman.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Aug 30, 2006 at 11:53 AM
Baka all channels driven kaya mababa. If recall correctly (from the audioholics forum), the mid level Denon 3805 (example lang po) is actually 70wpc, all channels driven. Ngayon kc popular yung 100+W x n channels na misleading naman.

Actually hindi bro. Kasi that time uso yung 70w for fronts and a lower rating (usually half) for the center and surrounds. Hindi pa nga siguro uso ang multi channel music dati.

Funny thing was, there were Yamaha models that actually used 60w or lower that time. Ngayon bihira ako makakita ng any yamaha receiver below 80w.

And meron silang mga models na Surround Processor + 3 x 60w (for center and surrounds), then buy your power amp na lang for fronts. Sayang di na uso yung ganito, ang ganda pa naman sana, IME iba kasi tunog ng external power amps (usually) compared to on board amps.

But I remember HK had a model like this, its a 5 channel amp that you could add a 2 channel power amp for a 7.1 setup. I think S2kov was selling his before.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 30, 2006 at 12:29 PM
I was thinking na, the fact na iba-iba yung rating per ch, it suggests that pang all ch driven. From what I understand, today's rating na A watts x B channels is really not so. I mean if the fronts are already giving out A watts, there's no guarantee that the other ch's will give out the same A watts at the same time.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Sep 11, 2006 at 05:36 PM
to all the pple using h/k, what speakers r u using for front?

can 340 drive bnw 603 s3 FS? will it sound good..?

please give me advice on this 1.. thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 12, 2006 at 11:43 AM
to all the pple using h/k, what speakers r u using for front?

can 340 drive bnw 603 s3 FS? will it sound good..?

please give me advice on this 1.. thanks!

Even an entry level receiver can drive the 603's, but the question is always, will it sound good?

B&W's have the reputation of being power hungry and it needs very powerful amps to sound their best. You will find this fact everywhere in this forum or other int'l forums, or with knowledgeable salespeople (like SGT who is very frank and wont BS you), etc. 

Since I read from another thread that you already bought your 340, that is not a problem. Simply save up and buy a Rotel Stereo power amp... IF... you are not content with the sound of your setup. If the HK + 603 already sounds great to you or it already suits your listening taste, then lucky you...no need to spend anymore. Bottom line is, for a speaker to sound their "best" still depends on your ears. A very discerning ear can make this hobby more expensive  ;D.

I am using a HK630 plus rotel amp (a good match IMO) for my setup and the difference in sound quality is very obvious as compared to using receivers alone. Generally, the more power you feed your speakers, the better they would sound. And I believe this statement holds true specially to mid - high end speakers.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Sep 12, 2006 at 02:34 PM
thanks MAtZTER! what front speaker r u using for your 635, rotel combi? how much is the rotel power amp ur using.. well maybe i would get the 603 and then upgrade later on for a rotel as u advice.

sayang kc yun offer 2nd hand bw 603.. 2 months lang daw kc nagupgrade ng jm focal. is it safe to buy 2nd hand speaker? what do i check with this to confirm that it is in good shape? btw, who is SGT and what is BS, IMO? sowee a newbie hir and to this hobby!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 12, 2006 at 04:43 PM
thanks MAtZTER! what front speaker r u using for your 635, rotel combi? how much is the rotel power amp ur using.. well maybe i would get the 603 and then upgrade later on for a rotel as u advice.

I use Mission M52 FS with my HK630/Rotel985 in BI-amp combi. Although the M52 only uses 1 woofer (just right for my room size), the 200 watts provided by these 2 amps make my speakers really sing its best. No detail is spared and you could hear everything crisply from the drop of a pin or shotgun shell, breaking of glass to the roar of a T-REX.

The warmer sounding HK335/340 with a different amp section is my minimum recommendation for most FS, but the power hungry B&W's are a different case  ;D.

A new Rotel amp would cost you around 40k for the 2x130 stereo amp or 60k for the 5x130w amp. But this would not be necessary if you are happy with the HK340 & arent into details of HT watching. Kanya kanya kasi yan, ako personally I love the details kasi. But if you are content with the sound of the HK340 with the 603's, why upgrade? gastos pa...

 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 12, 2006 at 05:06 PM
sayang kc yun offer 2nd hand bw 603.. 2 months lang daw kc nagupgrade ng jm focal. is it safe to buy 2nd hand speaker? what do i check with this to confirm that it is in good shape? btw, who is SGT and what is BS, IMO? sowee a newbie hir and to this hobby!

Almost all my speakers are 2nd hand. I prefer them that way cuz its cheaper and break in na (I hate the long wait for breaking in).

SGT-Sonny Tuazon of SGT Home Theater, a frank, no (BS) b*lls**t guy who won't BS (bola) you into buying stuff just so that he could get a quick buck from you. Quality service pa.

IMO, In my opinion
IME, in my experience: its very important to look for this when you are looking for advice. mas walang BS to ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Sep 12, 2006 at 05:10 PM
thanks agen MAtZTER! can i see your setup..?  ;D

just talk to the dealer of bw speakers.. sabi nya hk and bw will sound bright daw! and he offer me the onkyo 703 for the 603 para mas match daw and the wattage would be sufficient. im now considering to sell my hk for the onkyo.. just use this for 2 weeks hindi p araw araw! sayang!

please comment on harman being bright with bw speaker.. thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 12, 2006 at 05:18 PM
thanks agen MAtZTER! can i see your setup..?

just talk to the supplier of bw speakers.. sabi nya hk and bw will sound bright daw! and he offer me the onkyo 703 for the 603 para mas match daw and the wattage would be sufficient. im now considering to sell my hk for the onkyo.. just use this for 2 weeks hindi p araw araw! sayang!

please comment on harman being bright with bw speaker.. thanks!

Sure, go to the HT gallery or click here (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=42114.0).  :)

LOL, I know which dealer you are talking about. That dealer would bad mouth horribly every single product that he is not selling himself and give never ending heavenly praise to all the products he is selling. 

B&W and Onkyo are from the same distributor here, thats why they recomend the 2 together. So obviously there is a bias in their recommendation. But according to Ricky who has an Onkyo, Onkyo's are very musical, but dont tend to excel in HT.

Thats why I love talking to SGT and getting his recommendations, WALANG BIAS. thats what I mean by NO BS.

My no BS advice is retain the HK340, retain it and use the B&W's with it , if you arent content after some time, go for the power amps. there are also lots of cheap 2nd hand amps when the buy & sell section opens again, but Rotels are recommended.

HK's bright? HK's are known to be warm, specially with the 330-340 & up models which use a different amp than the brighter sounding  230-240's. IME, HK's pre outs are ok with external amps (not bright).

alx...be careful getting "BS"ed.... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Sep 12, 2006 at 05:27 PM
well actully ur ryt! ganun nga sya mag comment on other products that they dont sell. pata paradigm bulok daw..

anyway, il be bringing my hk tom sa west ave. to audition the bw speaker and see if it is really bright.. abt the rotel power amp, it is way off my budget. too much for now.. maybe in the future. so hard to decide on this setup!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 12, 2006 at 05:38 PM
well actully ur ryt! ganun nga sya mag comment on other products that they dont sell. pata paradigm bulok daw..

anyway, il be bringing my hk tom sa west ave. to audition the bw speaker and see if it is really bright.. abt the rotel power amp, it is way off my budget. too much for now.. maybe in the future. so hard to decide on this setup!!

LOL, but he is very convincing, ano?? hehe

Good luck bro! Hope you get the best match  :)

And dont set your mind on only one speaker, there are lots of good ones out there  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ricky on Sep 12, 2006 at 08:24 PM
alx if i may b*tt in, onkyo and harman almost have the same sound characteristic esp on the audio side ;) but on the video side i prefer the hk more than the onkyo ;D plus harman has a decent resale value than the onkyo ;D Since you already have the harman I too suggest that you hold on to it, and its good to bring it tom for an A/B comparison vs the ONKYO then you'll hear what matt and i are saying :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Munskie on Sep 12, 2006 at 08:33 PM
matt sino AV shop na yun hehe....never heard na bright HK and B&W....but instead...warm nga sila.  I agree too that SGT is a NO BS kind of guy.  When my wife accompanied me when i visited SGT, he even explained the hobby to my wife.....how this hobby will make me stay home..... ;D ;D

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Sep 13, 2006 at 06:49 AM
this is the judgement day!!! ;D

should i bring my old bose 301 speaker for a a/b comparison with the bw speakers? or it is way beyond comparison?? ???

wat other speakers do you recommend? is paradigm monitor 7 good..? kaya 603 ang gus2 ko kc may 2nd hand 4 sale and i plan to move to a bigger haus.. if no 2nd hand den i should be satisfied with 602 kc i hav a small room abt 15 sqm.

what is imho? and sars...?  ??? :-\
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Munskie on Sep 13, 2006 at 07:11 AM

what is imho? and sars...?  ??? :-\
IMHO=  in my honest opinion, SARS aka upgradititis....sakit sa urge bumili o mag upgrade ng gears
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Sep 13, 2006 at 09:32 AM
Sure, go to the HT gallery or click here (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=42114.0).  :)

LOL, I know which dealer you are talking about. That dealer would bad mouth horribly every single product that he is not selling himself and give never ending heavenly praise to all the products he is selling. 

B&W and Onkyo are from the same distributor here, thats why they recomend the 2 together. So obviously there is a bias in their recommendation. But according to Ricky who has an Onkyo, Onkyo's are very musical, but dont tend to excel in HT.

Thats why I love talking to SGT and getting his recommendations, WALANG BIAS. thats what I mean by NO BS.

My no BS advice is retain the HK340, retain it and use the B&W's with it , if you arent content after some time, go for the power amps. there are also lots of cheap 2nd hand amps when the buy & sell section opens again, but Rotels are recommended.

HK's bright? HK's are known to be warm, specially with the 330-340 & up models which use a different amp than the brighter sounding  230-240's.IME, HK's pre outs are ok with external amps (not bright).

alx...be careful getting "BS"ed.... ;D

IME, di bright ang 235 with my floorstanders. Even Archi Audio uses the lowly entry level 130 when you audition their gears. and i didnt even find the 130 bright with their dali FS.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: czedryk on Sep 13, 2006 at 09:35 AM
to be exact SARS means Severe Audio Replacement Syndrome  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: boink boink on Sep 13, 2006 at 09:58 AM
meron din akong nabasa dito na and SARS also means Speakers And Receivers Syndrome ??? ???. Basta sa takot ako sa SARS.  :-[ :-[  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 13, 2006 at 11:26 AM
IME, di bright ang 235 with my floorstanders. Even Archi Audio uses the lowly entry level 130 when you audition their gears. and i didnt even find the 130 bright with their dali FS.

I mean its brighter than the upper series but not necessarily bright sya. Mas warm yung 330-630. I have experienced this at the JBL showroom in Megamall with the same speakers, HK630 one day, and HK235 on another day (di ko alam na 235 nakakabit), the brightness was the first thing I noticed. Pero kanya kanya din yan sir, iba iba tenga natin.  :)

meron din akong nabasa dito na and SARS also means Speakers And Receivers Syndrome ??? ???. Basta sa takot ako sa SARS.  :-[ :-[  ;D

Czed! kamusta na pre. Gusto sana kita gawing example kay ALX.

Bro, alx. Czedryk uses a very powerful HK630 to drive B&W 600's bookshelf speakers. Sa lakas ng HK630, sure na kakanta yung 600's.  :)

Also, Our mod Levi uses HK330 to power B&W 601's
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: knefut on Sep 13, 2006 at 12:16 PM
I mean its brighter than the upper series but not necessarily bright sya. Mas warm yung 330-630. I have experienced this at the JBL showroom in Megamall with the same speakers, HK630 one day, and HK235 on another day (di ko alam na 235 nakakabit), the brightness was the first thing I noticed. Pero kanya kanya din yan sir, iba iba tenga natin.  :)

Czed! kamusta na pre. Gusto sana kita gawing example kay ALX.

Bro, alx. Czedryk uses a very powerful HK630 to drive B&W 600's bookshelf speakers. Sa lakas ng HK630, sure na kakanta yung 600's.  :)

Also, Our mod Levi uses HK330 to power B&W 601's

.... and, maybe foremost, iba iba budget natin.... he he he
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 13, 2006 at 04:33 PM
.... and, maybe foremost, iba iba budget natin.... he he he


Yep, thats correct. I just wanted to share what I heard, experienced and learned, nothing more.  :)

Thats the essence of having a forum.. helping each other through the sharing of knowledge and experience. :D

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Sep 13, 2006 at 08:40 PM
hi, just demoed the BW speakers wid my new HK 340 tdy.. 1st we setup the 603 playing 2 channel stereo. the sound was good but it lacks the sound stage or should i say sound imaging.. wherein the vocals goes in between the 2 fronts.. like the center doing the sound.. why is this so?

then we tried movies in 5.1 setup. i can say that im satisfied with the output. 'cause i dont know how to judge the best sound for HT..

2nd we tried the 602 in stereo. the sound staging was good compared to the 603.. i dont know why.. ??? but when i played micheal jackson's "shes out of my life," it turns out that the sound was a little bright.

so we put back the old setup which is the onkyo integra with 603 hooked up. and agen played the mj song and the sound was not bright anymore. since we dont have the time we werent able to put back the 602.

does the 602 really has brighter sound than the 603?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Sep 15, 2006 at 05:50 PM
Pls dont use ALL CAPS when posting and no posting of ads in this section. Pls wait for Buy and sell section when it reopens.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: czedryk on Sep 17, 2006 at 04:56 PM
Czed! kamusta na pre. Gusto sana kita gawing example kay ALX.

Bro, alx. Czedryk uses a very powerful HK630 to drive B&W 600's bookshelf speakers. Sa lakas ng HK630, sure na kakanta yung 600's.  :)

Hi sir Mat  :)

Oks naman ako, medyo over-worked lng (matindi pangangailangan e... ;D)

Yup, super-satisfied ako with my HK630/B&W601 combo... Even at high volumes mganda p din sound quality... 8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Sep 19, 2006 at 07:27 AM
Hi sirs!

Just a question.. I have listened to HK demos and all but I would need opinion on which speakers does it match well.

Can you give me  comparisons of speaker brands (floorstanders)  that match well with the Harman Kardon 330 series given that I listen to stereo music and HT movies.

OT Question,

For a 10sq m room is it ok if I get a floorstander?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 19, 2006 at 09:58 AM
Hi sirs!

Just a question.. I have listened to HK demos and all but I would need opinion on which speakers does it match well.

Can you give me  comparisons of speaker brands (floorstanders)  that match well with the Harman Kardon 330 series given that I listen to stereo music and HT movies.

OT Question,

For a 10sq m room is it ok if I get a floorstander?

Bookshelf  or single woofer floorstander is Ok for a 10sqm room. 2 woofer floorstanders might be boomy in such a small room.

HK's warm sound match well with almost all known HiFi speakers...Monitors, Missions, JBL's, Wharfes...even B&W bookshelf speakers (601 or 600).
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Sep 19, 2006 at 02:27 PM
nagpademo ako ng mga speakers with my eyes closed.. widawt knowing what speaker it is iv noticed that the tweeter of b&w 602 is bright, mdyo masakit sa tenga.. while paradigm monitor 5 is more clarity than the bw. nagtest din kame ng studio 20 and i choose this 1 over the 2.. still hav to demo it agen to my amp kc denon integrated ang ginamit namin..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Sep 20, 2006 at 10:52 AM
Good morning guys, kelangan ko ng clarification regarding sa mga digital path receiver nagugulihan ako eh. Yung mga DPR ba actually ay AVR din? ang difference lang daw ay yung DPR iba ang loop sa AVR, wala na daw digital to analog conversion ang mga DPR digital to digital na kaagad hindi tulad ng mg AVR na yung digital signal gagawin pa analog. Kung ganon bakit may mga analog input ang mga DPR ibig sabihin ba nito analog gagawin nya digital tapos analog ulit? At hindi ba yung mga optic cable digital to digital na rin ito, wala na conversion na nangyayari?


Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 20, 2006 at 10:58 AM
I believe the DPR uses switching amps (Class D) as opposed to the conventional linear amps used by traditional receivers.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Sep 20, 2006 at 11:58 AM
ano naman yung switching amp and linear amp?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 20, 2006 at 12:14 PM
Switching amps are more efficient than linear amps and are supposedly cheaper to implement (these are all that I can understand about them).
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 20, 2006 at 04:41 PM
Good morning guys, kelangan ko ng clarification regarding sa mga digital path receiver nagugulihan ako eh. Yung mga DPR ba actually ay AVR din? ang difference lang daw ay yung DPR iba ang loop sa AVR, wala na daw digital to analog conversion ang mga DPR digital to digital na kaagad hindi tulad ng mg AVR na yung digital signal gagawin pa analog. Kung ganon bakit may mga analog input ang mga DPR ibig sabihin ba nito analog gagawin nya digital tapos analog ulit? At hindi ba yung mga optic cable digital to digital na rin ito, wala na conversion na nangyayari?


Thanks



Here's a thorough explanation of class D or switching  amps and its operations that I just glossed over.  If you have more youthful patience understanding it, read it through.  ;D

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/pwm.htm
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Sep 21, 2006 at 07:14 AM
Bookshelf  or single woofer floorstander is Ok for a 10sqm room. 2 woofer floorstanders might be boomy in such a small room.

HK's warm sound match well with almost all known HiFi speakers...Monitors, Missions, JBL's, Wharfes...even B&W bookshelf speakers (601 or 600).

Do you have brands (as well as Model Numbers)  for Bookshelf or Single woofer floorstanders?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Sep 21, 2006 at 09:18 AM

Here's a thorough explanation of class D or switching amps and its operations that I just glossed over.  If you have more youthful patience understanding it, read it through.  ;D

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/pwm.htm

salamat sir :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 21, 2006 at 04:47 PM
Do you have brands (as well as Model Numbers)  for Bookshelf or Single woofer floorstanders?


An idea struck me... since your budget is for floorstanders (FS) - Why not get the mid level bookshelf (BS) speakers of the same brand? They sound a lot better (very refined) than their entry level counterparts...and almost the same price as the entry level FS.

Example:
Monitor Audio B4 (ent FS) ---> Monitor Audio RS1 (mid BS)
Mission M34 (ent FS) ---> Mission M51 (Mid BS)
B&W 3something ---> B&W 601's
etc etc...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Sep 25, 2006 at 05:54 PM
Hi sir Mat  :)

Oks naman ako, medyo over-worked lng (matindi pangangailangan e... ;D)

Yup, super-satisfied ako with my HK630/B&W601 combo... Even at high volumes mganda p din sound quality... 8)


just wondering y didnt you go for bw 602? m planning to buy 602 for my hk 340..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: czedryk on Sep 26, 2006 at 09:39 AM

just wondering y didnt you go for bw 602? m planning to buy 602 for my hk 340..

hndi kasya s shelf e...  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Sep 26, 2006 at 10:13 AM
nagpademo ako ng mga speakers with my eyes closed.. widawt knowing what speaker it is iv noticed that the tweeter of b&w 602 is bright, mdyo masakit sa tenga.. while paradigm monitor 5 is more clarity than the bw. nagtest din kame ng studio 20 and i choose this 1 over the 2.. still hav to demo it agen to my amp kc denon integrated ang ginamit namin..

Sir have you decided which one to get?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Sep 26, 2006 at 10:16 AM
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Nice offer - pagiisipan ko.
Its hard to depart with this speaker.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 26, 2006 at 10:29 AM
An idea struck me... since your budget is for floorstanders (FS) - Why not get the mid level bookshelf (BS) speakers of the same brand? They sound a lot better (very refined) than their entry level counterparts...and almost the same price as the entry level FS.

Example:
Monitor Audio B4 (ent FS) ---> Monitor Audio RS1 (mid BS)
Mission M34 (ent FS) ---> Mission M51 (Mid BS)
B&W 3something ---> B&W 601's
etc etc...


I forgot mahal pala center speaker ng mid level speakers  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Oct 09, 2006 at 11:40 AM
Hi,

may problema kasi yung AVR ko HK135, nag po-protect siya. Tapos ayaw mag on within 5-10secs?

Suspect ko yung power chord ko maluwag sa outlet, pero nung try ko hawakan while turning the power on ayaw pa rin.

Check ko yung mga speaker wire ok naman, pero yung isa kong wire maluwag pero nakakabit pa rin sa banana plug, walan contact sa ibang terminals. Posible ba na ito ang dahilan?

Ganun ba talaga pag may lumuwag na contact magpo-protect na?

Sinubukan ko na rin manood ng dvd with full volume, (-18db) hindi naman nag protect hanggang matapos yung movie. Pero nung in-off ko tapos ON uli ayaw nanaman may delay na 5-10 secs bago mag ON.

hmmmm... what do you think may diperensya ba?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ganicru on Oct 13, 2006 at 03:14 PM
Na experience ko yan dati sa HK 135 ko and I tried using an AVR (1500watts), wala ng problem. Yes, with loose wires, nag po protect mode sya. Good point of HK.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: docb on Oct 15, 2006 at 02:53 AM
Harman Kardon HK630 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dagul27 on Oct 15, 2006 at 01:14 PM
maganda yan! paging Mr.Matz. ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 16, 2006 at 10:54 AM
Yes, I saw in other threads that you plan to use B&W 603's on a 30sqm room.  For these famously "power hungry" floorstanders and your floor area, no less than the top mid model receivers will suffice to power them to sound their best. And B&W's suit high current AVR's best. Also a good path would be a pre/pro, power amp setup that can get very costly.

What I like about the HK630 is its warm sound and raw POWERRRR. Excellent processor too. I have heard it power an Infinity Beta HCS 5.1 speaker system whose satellites are as small as surround bookshelf speakers. But WOW they sounded like floorstanders when powered with the HK630!

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 16, 2006 at 10:55 AM
And if you want to upgrade in the future for a better sound experience. All you need to do is to get a good power amp. The warm characteristic of the HK630 is well passed on to its pre out. I heard (hearsay)that another brand had very bright effect when its pre outs are used with power amps.

For best results, you can try what I did. BI-amp your setup: HK powering my HF and a Rotel THX power amp for my LF. Dont forget to remove the jumper pin or say goodbye to your gears. The level of detail and "OOMPH!!!" of this setup will amaze you and improve your HT experience.

Also, the all channels driven power (ACD) rating of the HK630 is very useful for bi-amping purposes. For me, since power amps are all also rated at ACD, Its perfect to match it with an ACD AVR since you know its TRUE power rating. As compared to those AVR's w/ bloated 120w ratings on all channels, pero its actually 120w divided by 7 channels... how would you know if the divided power rating is powerful enough to supply constant loads to your HF? Baka di mo alam, your power amp is supplying 100w and your receiver is only supplying 30w lang pala on a demanding scene.

But thats just me & my 2 cents.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Oct 17, 2006 at 12:38 PM
Sir have you decided which one to get?

kinuha ko na ung 602 s3.. what ive noticed is dat parang may kulang sa sound, parang pigil and also di vocals parang bitin. when i demo this sa shop, un sound buhay na buhay sa buong room.. pag dating sa house ko iba! not sure f sa speaker cable kc sa raon ko lng nabili.. or kulang hk 340 2 power 602. or hindi p break in. iv bin using this for 8 days na prbbly 3 hrs a day.. pls help me with this 1. thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Oct 17, 2006 at 03:19 PM
Sir dami kasing factors bakit iba tunog ng setup mo from the store na binilhan mo.
Room modes or room acoustics plays a big part.

Wait mo rin ma-break in receiver mo kung bago pa.
From experience mas malaki improvement ng breaking in ng receiver compared sa breaking in ng speakers.

I'm only using HK235 pero hindi ko naman napapansin mga napansin mo or my ears are not just that sensitive.
Although I've heard the 602S3 paired with an HK stereo amp with 120 watts of power and I'd say iba tunog nya mas maganda.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 17, 2006 at 03:23 PM
kinuha ko na ung 602 s3.. what ive noticed is dat parang may kulang sa sound, parang pigil and also di vocals parang bitin. when i demo this sa shop, un sound buhay na buhay sa buong room.. pag dating sa house ko iba! not sure f sa speaker cable kc sa raon ko lng nabili.. or kulang hk 340 2 power 602. or hindi p break in. iv bin using this for 8 days na prbbly 3 hrs a day.. pls help me with this 1. thanks!

What receiver did they use at the showroom? Baka naman flagship model?

What is the acoustics of your room? If its bare cement walled and there are lots of echoes and reverberations, take note that these may "eat up" your mids and highs and your speakers may sound lacking in detail.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 17, 2006 at 04:36 PM
Sir Matz... ganyan din ang experience ko until now... yung unit ko are compose of 235/infinity primus 360 although i'm only using stereo by now... b4 i purchase my units from d store, impress me sa sound quality inside the store but then, wen my units are at home already, parang iba na ang tunog... although pag mahina kasi around 30-35 db, ok pa sa pandinig ko pero pag 25db and below, medyo distorted na sa pandinig ko.. (i'm playing a music cd's only such as disco, r&b, opm, love songs from mp3s and original cds)... possible kaya dahil yung house me are all concrete (roof-wall-floor) at 12sqm?... di ko pa din nagagamit yung ezset ng avr ko ksi di ko maintindihan yung manual eh (english kasi)... Also, pls give me some idea regading sa settings ng bass/treble at wat particular range... basta me kasi, naka-set lang sa 4'clock yung tone knobs me... Sir, nu ba din dapat me gawin on how to make my room to be in acoustic set ups (ung mura lang...joke!!)...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 17, 2006 at 05:09 PM
Sir Matz... ganyan din ang experience ko until now... yung unit ko are compose of 235/infinity primus 360 although i'm only using stereo by now... b4 i purchase my units from d store, impress me sa sound quality inside the store but then, wen my units are at home already, parang iba na ang tunog... although pag mahina kasi around 30-35 db, ok pa sa pandinig ko pero pag 25db and below, medyo distorted na sa pandinig ko.. (i'm playing a music cd's only such as disco, r&b, opm, love songs from mp3s and original cds)... possible kaya dahil yung house me are all concrete (roof-wall-floor) at 12sqm?... di ko pa din nagagamit yung ezset ng avr ko ksi di ko maintindihan yung manual eh (english kasi)... Also, pls give me some idea regading sa settings ng bass/treble at wat particular range... basta me kasi, naka-set lang sa 4'clock yung tone knobs me... Sir, nu ba din dapat me gawin on how to make my room to be in acoustic set ups (ung mura lang...joke!!)...

Sir let me give my honest analysis.  :)

1.) Primus 360 is a HUGE speaker for your 12sqm. room. Chances are it will be boomy, as was my experience with my 12 sqm room w/ 3 driver FS (Flrstndr) . Chances are the boominess will be distracting or it will eat up the mids and highs. Bookshelves or single woofer FS should have been enough for a 12sqm room.

2.) A HK230 powering a 4 driver Primus FS of that size? I think it may be underpowered kaya sometimes you feel you hear its distorted. What AVR model did you hear at the showroom? The guys at the JBL showroom once let me hear an HK630 and on another day I didnt know that they had a 235 connected to the same speakers. The differences were immediately obvious despite not knowing what AVR was connected. Pareho kasi itsura lahat eh.

Allow me to share what I wrote in another thread:

Dont fall into the very common "just get any entry level AVR and get a floorstander" approach without considering the power factor needed for floorstanders. Chances are a bookshelf spkr thats well powered by a good receiver will sound better than an underpowered receiver trying hard to power a multi-driver, bigger cabinet space floorstander w/c requires more clean power for it to sound its best.

I have been trying to correct this a lot lately cuz I see this as a very common error everywhere: underpowered floorstanders. I know that not everyone can just grab a high model receiver and a FS at once since they are costly, but at least they can buy the right combination. Bookshelves being the safest...since most probably the subs are going to handle the LFE naman.

3.) All concrete? Naku problema yan. Add lots of curtains and fabric, but that would absorb the HF only. LF reverbs are the ones eating up your mids and highs. Try adding Bass traps. You can look for Manny Ongpauco thru your friendly neighbothood HT dealers. He sells reasonable priced acoustic treatments, but do test it first. I still have yet to try & review his product's effectiveness myself.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Oct 17, 2006 at 05:25 PM
sir newbie, how long does it takes to break in my hk? iv bin using this amp 4 maybe 1 month now with my old speaker.. everyday use of approxim8ly 3hrs per day.. ano pala speaker mo setup with ur avr 235?

actuali sa showroom they use onkyo 901 + onkyo na dvd player.. i did demo the 602 with my hk sa shop but cant remember how it sounded. i use only nextbase dvd player using monster coax. ang wall namin is cement with wallpaper while un ceiling is may kahoy p.. also our sala is full of things tables etc. maybe i will take a pix den send it 2 u sir Matz, kung ok lng den make a comment. or pwede ko rin sya ilipat sa room ko..

is hk 340 underpower for bw 602 s3?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 17, 2006 at 05:35 PM
sir newbie, how long does it takes to break in my hk? iv bin using this amp 4 maybe 1 month now with my old speaker.. everyday use of approxim8ly 3hrs per day.. ano pala speaker mo setup with ur avr 235?

actuali sa showroom they use onkyo 901 + onkyo na dvd player.. i did demo the 602 with my hk sa shop but cant remember how it sounded. i use only nextbase dvd player using monster coax. ang wall namin is cement with wallpaper while un ceiling is may kahoy p.. also our sala is full of things tables etc. maybe i will take a pix den send it 2 u sir Matz, kung ok lng den make a comment. or pwede ko rin sya ilipat sa room ko..

is hk 340 underpower for bw 602 s3?

LOL, Onkyo 901 integra is the next receiver to their huge NR1000 flagship model It has a  high THX select certification and the integra is their high end series, just like the Lexus is to Toyota. Of course walang laban ang 340 dyan (Altis vs Lexus anyone?). but thats probably 3x the price. Its not a very fair comparison at all. But its a great hands-on or shall we say "ears-on" demo on what higher powered & modeled receivers can do.

Sa B&W's kasi the higher you go, the better they sound.  :) But I would honestly recommend that the 340 is the minimum for the 602's. But thats just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Oct 17, 2006 at 06:42 PM
sir Matz, sensya na kc m new to this 1 ndi ko p masyado alam.. pero ndi ko rin sure kung anu mdl ang gamit nila.. hinulaan ko lng  ;D

btw, how do i send a pic to you pala sir Matz..??  ???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 17, 2006 at 07:28 PM
Sir let me give my honest analysis.  :)

1.) Primus 360 is a HUGE speaker for your 12sqm. room. Chances are it will be boomy, as was my experience with my 12 sqm room w/ 3 driver FS (Flrstndr) . Chances are the boominess will be distracting or it will eat up the mids and highs. Bookshelves or single woofer FS should have been enough for a 12sqm room.

2.) A HK230 powering a 4 driver Primus FS of that size? I think it may be underpowered kaya sometimes you feel you hear its distorted. What AVR model did you hear at the showroom? The guys at the JBL showroom once let me hear an HK630 and on another day I didnt know that they had a 235 connected to the same speakers. The differences were immediately obvious despite not knowing what AVR was connected. Pareho kasi itsura lahat eh.

Allow me to share what I wrote in another thread:

Dont fall into the very common "just get any entry level AVR and get a floorstander" approach without considering the power factor needed for floorstanders. Chances are a bookshelf spkr thats well powered by a good receiver will sound better than an underpowered receiver trying hard to power a multi-driver, bigger cabinet space floorstander w/c requires more clean power for it to sound its best.

I have been trying to correct this a lot lately cuz I see this as a very common error everywhere: underpowered floorstanders. I know that not everyone can just grab a high model receiver and a FS at once since they are costly, but at least they can buy the right combination. Bookshelves being the safest...since most probably the subs are going to handle the LFE naman.

3.) All concrete? Naku problema yan. Add lots of curtains and fabric, but that would absorb the HF only. LF reverbs are the ones eating up your mids and highs. Try adding Bass traps. You can look for Manny Ongpauco thru your friendly neighbothood HT dealers. He sells reasonable priced acoustic treatments, but do test it first. I still have yet to try & review his product's effectiveness myself.


Sir Matz... thanks in many for enlighting me.... actually yung unit ko din ang ginamit ko sa store for demo b4 i purchase it... maybe bcuz yung store is acoustically modified kaya siguro lahat ng units pag nai-demo sa customer eh maganda talaga at ma-aapreciate mo ang sound quality ng product... acually sir, kaya ganyan ang binili kong set-up kasi guato ko ng blasting... yung tipong maririnig ng kapit-bahay (yabang ba)... kaso, disappointed me... anyway, andyan na yan eh.. right now ang 1 probs me is yung room space ko... how will i make my room to be acoustical...  i will try to put some cork board (boards wat u see inside a radio station)... yun ba tawag dun???.. those boards kasi is use to minimize the amount of distortion inside a certain room... ile-lessen yung noise ba... 1 un sa mga paraan ko to appreciate my set up... di ko nga lang alam kung san makakabili nun....  once again sir matz thank you.... God Bless You Sir!!...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sanmig_ph on Oct 17, 2006 at 11:42 PM

Sir Matz... thanks in many for enlighting me.... actually yung unit ko din ang ginamit ko sa store for demo b4 i purchase it... maybe bcuz yung store is acoustically modified kaya siguro lahat ng units pag nai-demo sa customer eh maganda talaga at ma-aapreciate mo ang sound quality ng product... acually sir, kaya ganyan ang binili kong set-up kasi guato ko ng blasting... yung tipong maririnig ng kapit-bahay (yabang ba)... kaso, disappointed me... anyway, andyan na yan eh.. right now ang 1 probs me is yung room space ko... how will i make my room to be acoustical...  i will try to put some cork board (boards wat u see inside a radio station)... yun ba tawag dun???.. those boards kasi is use to minimize the amount of distortion inside a certain room... ile-lessen yung noise ba... 1 un sa mga paraan ko to appreciate my set up... di ko nga lang alam kung san makakabili nun....  once again sir matz thank you.... God Bless You Sir!!...

pareng jhun kulang yan sa calibration hehehe. sayang hindi mo na napakinggan yung bw 303 ko malamang mas match pa yon sa floorstander mo
sa bass lang cya kapos pero pag may sub naku panalong panalo ka na. pare kung gusto mo talaga malakas yung maririnig ng kapitbahay mo at magrereklamo kailangn mo talaga sub pare.yun sigurado reklamo kapibahay mo. may center kana ba & rear? baka wala pa kaya walang blasting.
pare curtain lang & fiberglass na ibalot mo sa tela yung ginawa ni munskie ok na yun pang acoustic treatment.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 18, 2006 at 10:26 AM
pareng jhun kulang yan sa calibration hehehe. sayang hindi mo na napakinggan yung bw 303 ko malamang mas match pa yon sa floorstander mo
sa bass lang cya kapos pero pag may sub naku panalong panalo ka na. pare kung gusto mo talaga malakas yung maririnig ng kapitbahay mo at magrereklamo kailangn mo talaga sub pare.yun sigurado reklamo kapibahay mo. may center kana ba & rear? baka wala pa kaya walang blasting.
pare curtain lang & fiberglass na ibalot mo sa tela yung ginawa ni munskie ok na yun pang acoustic treatment.


Sir ok yun ah... very nice idea... try ko nga din yung fiberglass na binalot sa tela... kung curtain marami me kaso yung surroundings ko talaga ang problema kasi puro gawa sa semento yung haus ko... a 3m x 4m with 1 room extension (open door/ wooden wall division), another factor is also proper positioning of my equipment... actually sir, di ko pa talaga na-e-explore yung unit ko 'til now eh... i think pwede din naman yan i-calibrate kahit 2ch lang gamit ko kso di ko alam gawin... yung manual kasi parang magulo intindihin (english eh)... di ko alam kung lasing ang gumawa o ako lang ang lasing.... plano ko na din bumili ng sub di december pa (12' sub) pero yung center & surround next tym na lang muna ksi more on music lang gamit ko.... many thanks ulit sir sanmig... maganda 'to daanin na lang muna natin sa SANMIG, sama natin si sir Matz.... korek???....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 18, 2006 at 10:50 AM
sir Matz, sensya na kc m new to this 1 ndi ko p masyado alam.. pero ndi ko rin sure kung anu mdl ang gamit nila.. hinulaan ko lng  ;D

btw, how do i send a pic to you pala sir Matz..??  ???


Ok lang yun bro. Post mo na lang set up mo sa HT gallery. I can analyze from there. Aside from me, marami pang ibang willing tumulong. Ganyan dito sa pdvd.

Pero if your problem is lack of sonic characteristics due to using 2 different level receivers (high end vs mid level) mentioned above, Honestly I think the answer is already there and room acoustics wont be the solution.

Sir ok yun ah... very nice idea... try ko nga din yung fiberglass na binalot sa tela... kung curtain marami me kaso yung surroundings ko talaga ang problema kasi puro gawa sa semento yung haus ko... a 3m x 4m with 1 room extension (open door/ wooden wall division), another factor is also proper positioning of my equipment... actually sir, di ko pa talaga na-e-explore yung unit ko 'til now eh... i think pwede din naman yan i-calibrate kahit 2ch lang gamit ko kso di ko alam gawin... yung manual kasi parang magulo intindihin (english eh)... di ko alam kung lasing ang gumawa o ako lang ang lasing.... plano ko na din bumili ng sub di december pa (12' sub) pero yung center & surround next tym na lang muna ksi more on music lang gamit ko.... many thanks ulit sir sanmig... maganda 'to daanin na lang muna natin sa SANMIG, sama natin si sir Matz.... korek???....

Unfortunately, curtains and other absorbing materials treat the high and mid frequencies. Eh di ba yun nga yung kulang & kinakain ng bass? tapos kakainin pa ng sound absorbers...  :(. You might need to move your speakers forward if they are too near the wall to reduce bass and if it still doesnt work, try spending for bass traps.

Remember, acoustics is very important in this hobby and it helps improve your listening experience. Even high end gears would sound crappy in a room with no acoustic considerations.

Medyo OT na tayo, baka mapagalitan  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Oct 18, 2006 at 11:34 AM
sir newbie, how long does it takes to break in my hk? iv bin using this amp 4 maybe 1 month now with my old speaker.. everyday use of approxim8ly 3hrs per day.. ano pala speaker mo setup with ur avr 235?

actuali sa showroom they use onkyo 901 + onkyo na dvd player.. i did demo the 602 with my hk sa shop but cant remember how it sounded. i use only nextbase dvd player using monster coax. ang wall namin is cement with wallpaper while un ceiling is may kahoy p.. also our sala is full of things tables etc. maybe i will take a pix den send it 2 u sir Matz, kung ok lng den make a comment. or pwede ko rin sya ilipat sa room ko..

is hk 340 underpower for bw 602 s3?

The way you're using it I think another month or month and a half would break in your receiver.

Onkyo and HK have different sonic signature.
What I like with HK is its clarity and this is also what I don't like most.

Im also using a nextbase DVD player, an HK 235, 602S3 and LCR60 and pioneer speakers for surround.
You can check it under our HT Gallery.

If you're near Makati I can invite you so you can hear my setup.
That way you can compare it against your and do the tweaks that you need like speaker placement and room acoustics.

Your receiver is more powerful than what I have so It should sing much better.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Oct 18, 2006 at 12:14 PM
sir newbie, most of the time nasa makati naman ako.. my cell is 0922- 8201895, please tex me ur location and wen ko pwede makita setup mo.. thanks vmuch!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 18, 2006 at 12:53 PM
Ok lang yun bro. Post mo na lang set up mo sa HT gallery. I can analyze from there. Aside from me, marami pang ibang willing tumulong. Ganyan dito sa pdvd.

Pero if your problem is lack of sonic characteristics due to using 2 different level receivers (high end vs mid level) mentioned above, Honestly I think the answer is already there and room acoustics wont be the solution.

Unfortunately, curtains and other absorbing materials treat the high and mid frequencies. Eh di ba yun nga yung kulang & kinakain ng bass? tapos kakainin pa ng sound absorbers...  :(. You might need to move your speakers forward if they are too near the wall to reduce bass and if it still doesnt work, try spending for bass traps.

Remember, acoustics is very important in this hobby and it helps improve your listening experience. Even high end gears would sound crappy in a room with no acoustic considerations.

Medyo OT na tayo, baka mapagalitan  :)

Yah sori po medyo ot... anyway, on this matter, i am looking for short corrective action/s on how to at least fine tune my HK235 just to lessen the amount of crakky sound even on 2ch set up... hoping that even there's a mismatch between my equipment and my current room, baka lang mapaayos ko ng konti sa tulong ng nakakarami... maybe there's a short solution/s w/o spending. I am not convince through reading at the manual coz its too complicated to understand... If also performing calibration of HK235 would be a solution even using 2ch, pwede kaya 'to??... actually, natatakot me gawin yun kso baka magakamali me in exploring my system at di ko na maibalik sa dati kaya kayong mga experts me nagtatanong becuz of your experiences.. hope anyone here  will teach me the proper way of calibrating my system... Sir sanmig, hope u can help me too.... Many thanks to everyone....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 18, 2006 at 12:56 PM
btw, here's my cp # 09206570744... pls txt me your landline and i will reach anyone of you to seek a help... thank you very much....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 18, 2006 at 01:33 PM
jhunB! I just remembered that I had this same problem the first time I had my HK. I forgot to change the setting for listening distance. Baka kasi your setting is at default, if its at 4m then the sound is better at that distance. Set it to your distance from speaker to sofa. Hope that helps. If not , ilayo mo speakers mo sa wall. If not, get bass traps. If not... If not.... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 18, 2006 at 02:37 PM
jhunB! I just remembered that I had this same problem the first time I had my HK. I forgot to change the setting for listening distance. Baka kasi your setting is at default, if its at 4m then the sound is better at that distance. Set it to your distance from speaker to sofa. Hope that helps. If not , ilayo mo speakers mo sa wall. If not, get bass traps. If not... If not.... ;D

Sir meron ba ang HK235 nun?.. i'll try to do that at home... if not, i'll pursue myself to get a bass traps (magkano kaya un  ???) if not pa din, i'll pack my things then throw it on the garbage (wag naman po  :-[)... sir baka pwede kau makausap thru phone (if ever) so that i can ask questions from you personally (ok lang?).. nsa opis me ngayon, bukas morning nsa haus me. Maraming salamat po!!!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Oct 18, 2006 at 05:02 PM
Sir Mat,

sa pag kakaintindi ko sa mga post mo...ibig mo ba sabihin, for example ang set-up ko ay Primus line na bookshelf (c25, 160 at 150) na powered by AVR 135, pag nag palit ba ako ng AVR 335 ang resulta ay mas lalong gaganda ang mga primus line na speaker ko? di ba ma oover power naman sila kung msyado mataas ang ipang da-drive sa kanila?

balak ko kase mag upgrade ng AVR. maliit lang ang room ko 5mx5m lng. So far satisfied ako sa set up ko, minsan lang napapansin ko yung sinasabi mong bright ang mga entry level na AVR ng HK. Hindi ko nga alam kung psychological lang o totoo eh.

Pag dating sa HT wala ako problema solve, pero lately sa audio listening parang bright nga. Ang gusto ko kase sa audio eh yun bang mas lutang ng kaunti ang boses kesa sa background. Pati pag nakikinig ako ng mga audio na may brass instruments medyo masakit nga sa tenga..

ano kaya sa opinyon mo sir?

salamat
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 18, 2006 at 05:35 PM
Sir scofield,

Recommendations lang naman sila based on my experiences & auditions. Dont take my word or anyone's here as a sole option. Only your ears can tell you if your system is good or not. If your system sounds ok to you already, then its good.

The Primus you got are bookshelves and your combination with the 135 is just right IMO. What I usually recommend is not to use the lowest model AVR's for floorstanders w/c tends to be common. Its like loading a 1.1 li engine car (entry level) with very heavy people vs a 2.4l Camry or 2.7l Fortuner (higher model AVRs) with the same load...they will both get you to your destination, but which would perform better and give a better ride?

Danrd can aswer the difference between a 135 and a 335, he owned both. try to read his post a few pages back. :)

Di sya mag o overpower. Primus 160 is rated @ 10-150w and the AVR 335 is just 55-65w. I am feeding (true) 195w to my 100 w speakers and ang ganda ng tunog, IMnsHO  ;D. Di naman nasisira.

I cant say its psychological for me cuz my ears can hear the brightness in several of my auditions. And using entry level AVRs before, I hear the speakers sound crazily bright during very demanding HT scenes. Do audition the higher models, iba talaga tunog nila. These higher models are not there for fancy looks or company profit purposes. They do tend to excel better, specially in music.

A general observation I got was that the higher models were warmer, as they have more reserve power and better quality parts.

PS, I am not connected to these AVR companies. I just heard what the upper & lower models can do, thus share it with fellow members.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sanmig_ph on Oct 18, 2006 at 11:43 PM
Yah sori po medyo ot... anyway, on this matter, i am looking for short corrective action/s on how to at least fine tune my HK235 just to lessen the amount of crakky sound even on 2ch set up... hoping that even there's a mismatch between my equipment and my current room, baka lang mapaayos ko ng konti sa tulong ng nakakarami... maybe there's a short solution/s w/o spending. I am not convince through reading at the manual coz its too complicated to understand... If also performing calibration of HK235 would be a solution even using 2ch, pwede kaya 'to??... actually, natatakot me gawin yun kso baka magakamali me in exploring my system at di ko na maibalik sa dati kaya kayong mga experts me nagtatanong becuz of your experiences.. hope anyone here  will teach me the proper way of calibrating my system... Sir sanmig, hope u can help me too.... Many thanks to everyone....

pareng jhun audition mo setup ni pareng newbie alam ko lapit lang cya sa rockwell. naka hk235 cya & bw 602, dun mo macompare kung anu diffrence
ng hk sa ibang speaker. sabi mo sakin dati sa yosian solve ka na sa hk combo 8)  advise ko sayo since may pre out yan ad ka na lang power amp & for sure gaganda pa lalo setup mo yun nga lang another gastos pero ganun talaga ang hobby na to magastos & enjoy ;D
malupet ka naman sa calibration eh ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Oct 19, 2006 at 09:24 AM
Sir Mat,

Salamat, convinced naman ako sa mga sinasabi mo dahil naeexperience ko rin.

Actually ready na ako at go na go na ako sa HK335 36990 less 25% pa. Approve na ni misis may budget na. Kaya lang may 135 pa ako sayang naman kung dalawa pa AVR. Tama rin yung sinabi mo dati na lugi ka talaga kapag nagbenta ka ng gamit...lalo na kung ang rason mo eh upgrade.

May hinahanap lang talaga akong tunog sa audio na si ko ma explain. ehehehehe ;D

salamat :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 19, 2006 at 10:16 AM
Kung happy ka naman pala sa HT and may hinahanap ka lang sa music. Why not buy a separate integrated stereo amp instead? Medyo tyaga nga lang sa tanggal-bunot (use banana plugs). Baka kasi yung price difference ng 335 baka makabili ka na ng integrated amp. And alam ko below 20k yung integrated amp ng HK: 120w pa :o :o :o.

IME, iba pa rin yung dedicated audio setup. Mas critical pa rin kasi music, so an integrated stereo amp built (specialized) for music will perform better than a multichannel AVR built for both.

Usually mga high end pre/pro (separates) lang ang kaya mag perform ng both HT and music na maganda. Accdg to the net, the Arcam is the cheapest one at $2,100 and pre amp processor pa lang to...WALA pang amplifier!

Hirap lang nga yung tanggal bunot ng 2 setups. Pero worth it for me.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Oct 19, 2006 at 10:20 AM
Sir,

isa rin yan sa mga kinukunsidera ko sa ngaun. tama ka nanaman... cge sir pag mumuni-munihan ko muna uli. hehhehe

salamat :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Oct 19, 2006 at 11:08 AM
Yan din ang iniisip ko.
Instead of buying a power amp i'll go for stereo amp.
Mas madali when I decide to go on a separate system.
Im planning kasi to put the audio sa room and HT sa sala.
For now in case I decide to buy one tanggal bunot na muna.

And mukhang mas practical sya in terms of electric consumption.
Isa lang kasi ang ipa-power mo unlike pag power amp + avr dalawa lagi.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 19, 2006 at 02:19 PM
Yan din ang iniisip ko.
Instead of buying a power amp i'll go for stereo amp.
Mas madali when I decide to go on a separate system.
Im planning kasi to put the audio sa room and HT sa sala.
For now in case I decide to buy one tanggal bunot na muna.

With this option, you can go for 2 sets  of speaker wires (1 for HT, 1 for audio) w/ banana plugs at the speaker side, so that its easier, only unplug at the speaker side. I once used only 1 set of speaker wires & change both amp & speaker side...sigh, hirap. :-\

Since di naman super critical ang HT (at this budget level), you can use generic 12 ga wires. Then go for branded speaker wires for your audio setup.

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And mukhang mas practical sya in terms of electric consumption.
Isa lang kasi ang ipa-power mo unlike pag power amp + avr dalawa lagi.


I also thought the same thing about power consumption & power amps. But our electric bill did not go up naman dramatically since I used power amps. Only increased by about P300,  I think @ 2-4 movies a week plus music listening, same pace as before.

Our amps naman are class AB: meaning they are efficient and draw power only when needed. So when you are listening to mild music that only requires 20w, it gives only 20w. OTH, class A amps (nasa high end na to usually) gives the whole power rating EVERY time, kung 100w, it gives a whopping 100w constantly...yan tataas bill mo.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 19, 2006 at 04:20 PM
Our amps naman are class AB: meaning they are efficient and draw power only when needed. So when you are listening to mild music that only requires 20w, it gives only 20w. OTH, class A amps (nasa high end na to usually) gives the whole power rating EVERY time, kung 100w, it gives a whopping 100w constantly...yan tataas bill mo.  ;D

On class A/B, there's such a thing as quiescent current or idle power consumption mainly because the transistors have a bias current even at zero load or signal. Unlike class B.   This is to eliminate crossover distortion.  And depending on the amp, the idle current can be high.   On my stereo Acurus with 250wpc, the idle power consumed is 70watts.  The 7-ch HK avr-645 has a power-on idle power consumption of 120watts.  That means without signal, just the unit being ON, the gear consumes the idle power.  So when you start listening, just add your power level consumption on top of the idle power consumption. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 19, 2006 at 04:36 PM
Thanks for that info sir AV. I should close my AVR pala when not in use.

My friend just leaves his HK 635 on most of the time, even when not in use.... and uses his HT system as PC speakers & Divx watching too, LOL. 

I should tell him this...  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 19, 2006 at 05:48 PM
Malaki-laki rin yan.  120 watts for 30 days is 86kwh.  Depending on your bracket, that's around P500 per month.   ;D  Assuming you only listen to it half that time, you're wasting P250/mo.   But,  barya lang yan for the rich and famous.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 19, 2006 at 10:09 PM
pareng jhun audition mo setup ni pareng newbie alam ko lapit lang cya sa rockwell. naka hk235 cya & bw 602, dun mo macompare kung anu diffrence
ng hk sa ibang speaker. sabi mo sakin dati sa yosian solve ka na sa hk combo 8)  advise ko sayo since may pre out yan ad ka na lang power amp & for sure gaganda pa lalo setup mo yun nga lang another gastos pero ganun talaga ang hobby na to magastos & enjoy ;D
malupet ka naman sa calibration eh ;D

ayos ka talaga sanmig... kasama pala kita dito sa paligid ko... lam u naman kung ano kina-calibrate ko eh... kso sa AVR nasisira yung expertice ko....  kelangan lang sa HK ko siguro final dispo ng engineer... ok yung units ko pero ayaw nya sa bahay ko... di ma-appreciate ng equipments ko yung bahay ko eh kasi squater lang... he he he!!!...
pre nu kaya magandang gawin ko??.. parang gusto kong mag-down-grade ng speaker from FS to BS... wat du u think ??? ???... pwede kaya ipa-trade-in ko sa binilihan ko?? ???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sanmig_ph on Oct 20, 2006 at 10:30 AM
ayos ka talaga sanmig... kasama pala kita dito sa paligid ko... lam u naman kung ano kina-calibrate ko eh... kso sa AVR nasisira yung expertice ko....  kelangan lang sa HK ko siguro final dispo ng engineer... ok yung units ko pero ayaw nya sa bahay ko... di ma-appreciate ng equipments ko yung bahay ko eh kasi squater lang... he he he!!!...
pre nu kaya magandang gawin ko??.. parang gusto kong mag-down-grade ng speaker from FS to BS... wat du u think ??? ???... pwede kaya ipa-trade-in ko sa binilihan ko?? ???

pare im not expert here ;D anu ba trip mo ht o audio? kung ht, BS & a pair of good sub solve ka na dun.sub na mag drive ng LF.
sa hobby kasi na to budget palague big factor. kung gusto mo pa mas detailed add ka ng extra power amp yun nga lang another gastos
pero kung solve ka na ok na kahit wala power amp.
hindi ba match speaker mo sa HK? subukan mo muna acoustic treatment kasi sabi mo ok sayo dati ng audition mo sa store.
kung balak mo naman mag downgrade audition mo muna ulit anu ang ipapalit mo para hindi sayang ang upgrade mo kasi pag itrade in mo less na price ng speaker mo. try to call yung binilhan mo kung anu maganda deal kung ok trade in
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 20, 2006 at 10:43 AM
jhunb, sent u PM. just follow the instructions and ok na yan. I had a very similar experience before when my HK was new. Akala ko din may palpak, yun pala I just forgot to set the listening position distance.

Malaki-laki rin yan.  120 watts for 30 days is 86kwh.  Depending on your bracket, that's around P500 per month.   ;D  Assuming you only listen to it half that time, you're wasting P250/mo.   But, barya lang yan for the rich and famous.  ;D

Yep, 120w is big alright. Its like leaving several lights on.

I just recalled that my friend's bills are paid for by his company.... lucky dude.  ;D must be why he doesnt mind talking to me thru cell for 15-30 mins at a time even about non-business matters, LOL.

pare im not expert here ;D anu ba trip mo ht o audio? kung ht, BS & a pair of good sub solve ka na dun.sub na mag drive ng LF.

Agree ako dito kay sanmig, BS + SUB will handle your HT needs. FS, IMO is more on for audio purposes, and when it comes to matching it w/ AVR's, usually the higher the model, the better sounding they get.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: acostaml on Oct 20, 2006 at 11:51 AM
Sir Mat,

Salamat, convinced naman ako sa mga sinasabi mo dahil naeexperience ko rin.

Actually ready na ako at go na go na ako sa HK335 36990 less 25% pa. Approve na ni misis may budget na. Kaya lang may 135 pa ako sayang naman kung dalawa pa AVR. Tama rin yung sinabi mo dati na lugi ka talaga kapag nagbenta ka ng gamit...lalo na kung ang rason mo eh upgrade.

May hinahanap lang talaga akong tunog sa audio na si ko ma explain. ehehehehe ;D

salamat :)


saan meron hk335 na may discount na 25%? planning to get an HK receiver...any suggestions? my current setup is a yamaha 659 wharfes 9.4s,9cs,wh2 and sw120

BTW...Which is better? 335 or the yamaha 659?

Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Oct 20, 2006 at 01:25 PM
di ko alam kung sino mas magaling 335 or 659

sa digital dreams sm north edsa, cyber zone. yung naka display nila less 20% lang ata. sabi sa akin, sakin lang daw niya ibibigay yung 25% less (secret lang daw). Sige nga sir, dalawin mo ng para malman natin kung minamadali lang nila ako. hanapin mo allen uy.

3 units na lang daw yun reserve na yung dalawa.

salamat
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: acostaml on Oct 20, 2006 at 01:33 PM
di ko alam kung sino mas magaling 335 or 659

sa digital dreams sm north edsa, cyber zone. yung naka display nila less 20% lang ata. sabi sa akin, sakin lang daw niya ibibigay yung 25% less (secret lang daw). Sige nga sir, dalawin mo ng para malman natin kung minamadali lang nila ako. hanapin mo allen uy.

3 units na lang daw yun reserve na yung dalawa.

salamat

Oo ba! sige ill visit them this weekend. Tingnan natin kung 20% or 25%. Sir is this on cash basis or card? So display unit yung bibigay nya sayo?

Gusto ko sana ma side by side yung yamaha 659 and HK 335...I really want to know kung ano talaga ang pinagkaiba ng US brand sa Japan brand:)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Oct 20, 2006 at 01:46 PM
cash price lang yung 25% off.

hindi ko lang sigurado kung display unit yung ibibigay. basta meron pa raw silang 3 unit. nag pasobra daw sila ng order bago lumabas yun mga x40 series nila...

lahat ng X35 nila dun naka sale...

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 20, 2006 at 02:37 PM
335 is a higher model than the 659. I think the 659's counterpart is the HK235.

Whether which is better will depend on your use, and your listening pref.

If you are more into HT, Yamaha excels. Its a bit thin sounding and bright, but IME, you need a bit of these to hear a good detailed HT experience.

If you want a good compromise of both, HK. Warm and "thick" sounding (specially 335 & up), great for music. not bad in HT.

If you are seriously into music, a separate setup for audio will still be best, IMO. I got myself a high model HK thinking I could get the best experience in music, but it still resulted into a separate audio setup in the end. Not that the HK did not perform, it was absolutely great, specially with dynamic music. But a dedicated audio setup just blew me away. 

just my 2 cents  :)

Quote
I really want to know kung ano talaga ang pinagkaiba ng US brand sa Japan brand


Parang pareho sa cars.... American brands want it MUSCULAR. Japanese want it sleek & efficient.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 20, 2006 at 03:58 PM

I really want to know kung ano talaga ang pinagkaiba ng US brand sa Japan brand:)

If I recall right, there was this stereo review article in the late 80s that struck me about some basic behaviour difference between Jap and US amps.  Maybe true at that time.   Accdg to that article, Japanese amps, in general, like Denon, Kenwood, Pioneer, Onkyo, etc, behave like constant current sources and require higher impedance loads.  That is why many are rated at 8 ohms above for their power  as they could not deliver the higher current required at lower loads.    OTH, American brands like Marantz, Carver, McKintosh, Apt Holman and Hafler, etc.  behave more like constant voltage sources, so they can operate lower impedance loads down to even 2 ohms and deliver the high current needed at those loads.  I suppose European brands follow the American model.  But, ofcourse, exceptions were and are aplenty.   ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: chariol on Oct 21, 2006 at 09:01 PM
mga sir, saan ba ok bumili ng hk na avr? in terms of service and price. tnx alot.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Oct 24, 2006 at 10:07 AM
same question din po, planning to upgrade... any suggestions where we can audition discounted AVR's like HK?  ??? ??? ???  TIA  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: skylynx888 on Oct 24, 2006 at 10:10 AM
You guys can try Acoustical Space in Megamall, or Architectural Audio in Greenbelt 1, good service naman sila  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on Oct 24, 2006 at 10:24 AM
same question din po, planning to upgrade... any suggestions where we can audition discounted AVR's like HK?  ??? ??? ???  TIA  :)
sir,
you could drop by our store to audition the avr's at parksquare 1
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Oct 24, 2006 at 11:10 AM
Kung happy ka naman pala sa HT and may hinahanap ka lang sa music. Why not buy a separate integrated stereo amp instead? Medyo tyaga nga lang sa tanggal-bunot (use banana plugs). Baka kasi yung price difference ng 335 baka makabili ka na ng integrated amp. And alam ko below 20k yung integrated amp ng HK: 120w pa :o :o :o.

IME, iba pa rin yung dedicated audio setup. Mas critical pa rin kasi music, so an integrated stereo amp built (specialized) for music will perform better than a multichannel AVR built for both.

Usually mga high end pre/pro (separates) lang ang kaya mag perform ng both HT and music na maganda. Accdg to the net, the Arcam is the cheapest one at $2,100 and pre amp processor pa lang to...WALA pang amplifier!

Hirap lang nga yung tanggal bunot ng 2 setups. Pero worth it for me.  :)

Sir What can you recommend for separate setups. Assuming I already have speakers (Monitor Audio).
Audio: Int Amplifier = ?
HT: Receiver = ?

I have a budget 40k..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 25, 2006 at 12:06 PM
I havent auditioned them myself, but many people here use MA with NAD BEE's. Dont forget to get a good dedicated CDp.

MA also suits both HK & Yamaha in my experience. I installed a MA setup for my sister.

Since you have a separate audio setup already, go for a Yamaha receiver. If your MA is a FS, RXV 1x00 model. If its a BS, RXV 65x model. just my 2 cents
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 25, 2006 at 01:30 PM
jhunb, sent u PM. just follow the instructions and ok na yan. I had a very similar experience before when my HK was new. Akala ko din may palpak, yun pala I just forgot to set the listening position distance.

Hello Sir Matz... thank u very much for accommodating your time for me over the phone... I followed ur advise for my HK.. i adjusted the delay for LS/RS to 1.5 m and also i adjusted the level from +4db to 0db... medyo naging soft yung tunong... al little bit better... pag naka-up yung output level ng speaker medyo boomy ang tunog so parang basak na pag nsa -20db... i-adjust ko din xover from 100khz to 55khz since yung 100khz settings ksi is for bookshelves daw as per SM appliace showroom (naka-usap ko kasi yung demo guy dun)... hopefully, ok na yung set up ko for now... maybe i will add a SW na lang to drive low freq properly... then next na lang siguro yung center & ss... ;D
pag naka-utang ulit... ngek :P....

Sir thank you ulit... ganda pala boses mo sa phone.... nakaka :o... PAUTANG!!! ;D ;D ;D... JOKE!!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 26, 2006 at 10:07 AM
Hello Sir Matz... thank u very much for accommodating your time for me over the phone... I followed ur advise for my HK.. i adjusted the delay for LS/RS to 1.5 m and also i adjusted the level from +4db to 0db... medyo naging soft yung tunong... al little bit better... pag naka-up yung output level ng speaker medyo boomy ang tunog so parang basak na pag nsa -20db... i-adjust ko din xover from 100khz to 55khz since yung 100khz settings ksi is for bookshelves daw as per SM appliace showroom (naka-usap ko kasi yung demo guy dun)... hopefully, ok na yung set up ko for now... maybe i will add a SW na lang to drive low freq properly... then next na lang siguro yung center & ss...
pag naka-utang ulit... ngek ....

Sir thank you ulit... ganda pala boses mo sa phone.... nakaka ... PAUTANG!!!   ... JOKE!!!

LOL  ;D. Glad to be of help to you. Bedroom voice mode pa lang yun. Pag office mode may dala pa akong latigo sa background.  Whapak! ;D

You dont need to use the crossover settings since you dont have a sub yet. And for your room size & speaker size, you might not need subs anymore. But if you do get a sub, you would be passing the very power hungry LFE load to the sub.

LFE kasi eats up a lot of power, so if your AVR is not powerful enough, chances are hirap na sya pagdating sa MIDS & Highs. Getting a sub and setting your speaker setting to "small" eases that load from the AVR. Mas lilitaw yung mids & highs. But sayang yung FS, a BS can also do this effectively w/ a sub. Again, this is why I recommend high model receivers for FS, para di "kapos".

In my setup, I use 2 channel (no sub) only for my FS when listening to music, speaker setting large. For HT, I set it to "small" and the mid range and highs are really crisp.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Oct 26, 2006 at 11:28 AM
sir,
you could drop by our store to audition the avr's at parksquare 1


will try to pass by sometime sir... thanks!  :)

can you PM po last price for HK140, HK240, denon1705, 1706 and 1906? TIA   :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Oct 26, 2006 at 11:29 AM
You guys can try Acoustical Space in Megamall, or Architectural Audio in Greenbelt 1, good service naman sila  ;)


thank you sir...  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Oct 26, 2006 at 08:11 PM
MAtTZer: I have MA B2 speakers.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 26, 2006 at 08:42 PM
LOL  ;D. Glad to be of help to you. Bedroom voice mode pa lang yun. Pag office mode may dala pa akong latigo sa background.  Whapak! ;D

You dont need to use the crossover settings since you dont have a sub yet. And for your room size & speaker size, you might not need subs anymore. But if you do get a sub, you would be passing the very power hungry LFE load to the sub.

LFE kasi eats up a lot of power, so if your AVR is not powerful enough, chances are hirap na sya pagdating sa MIDS & Highs. Getting a sub and setting your speaker setting to "small" eases that load from the AVR. Mas lilitaw yung mids & highs. But sayang yung FS, a BS can also do this effectively w/ a sub. Again, this is why I recommend high model receivers for FS, para di "kapos".

In my setup, I use 2 channel (no sub) only for my FS when listening to music, speaker setting large. For HT, I set it to "small" and the mid range and highs are really crisp.

Talaga lang sir ha!! ;)... may gulpi d' gulat yung boses mo pag pagn-office modulation ;D... anyways, another pla ko once i've got an SW is to disable 1 woofer on my FS... i dont know if dat is possible but i will try someday... u'r correct acutally, sayang yung FS ko talaga kung ganun ang setting ko for my FS... but for now, medyo ok na, a little bit satisfaction for stereo listening.... Planning to get a higher HK model is not my current plan ryt now, completion of my set up is currently my target... (how  ???)... para ma-enjoy me naman yung complete HT equipment...
Sir Matz, hope someday, u'll allow me to visit u and demo to me your gears... i wish to see how powerful & attractive  ur set up...   d kaya ma-bading ako sa mga gears mo ???.... joke ;D... sama ko si sanmig, kasama ko dito sa opis yan... Regards & thanks!!! :) :) :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 27, 2006 at 11:45 AM
MAtTZer: I have MA B2 speakers.

I have heard Yamaha 650 w/ MA B2's (sister's setup). Ok naman.

I have seen many MA B2 setups used with NAD BEE. Havent heard it though. But if many people use it, maybe its good. Audition it yourself.

Talaga lang sir ha!! ;)... may gulpi d' gulat yung boses mo pag pagn-office modulation ;D... anyways, another pla ko once i've got an SW is to disable 1 woofer on my FS... i dont know if dat is possible but i will try someday... u'r correct acutally, sayang yung FS ko talaga kung ganun ang setting ko for my FS... but for now, medyo ok na, a little bit satisfaction for stereo listening.... Planning to get a higher HK model is not my current plan ryt now, completion of my set up is currently my target... (how ???)... para ma-enjoy me naman yung complete HT equipment...
Sir Matz, hope someday, u'll allow me to visit u and demo to me your gears... i wish to see how powerful & attractive ur set up... d kaya ma-bading ako sa mga gears mo ???.... joke ;D... sama ko si sanmig, kasama ko dito sa opis yan... Regards & thanks!!! :) :) :)


Sorry Jhun. It was really not my intention to suggest a change of gears, but the info was intended more for readers who are starting their setup :). Basta you are happy with your setup, thats good enough. You dont need to change anything.  :)

Sure, come with sanmig someday. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Assassin101 on Oct 27, 2006 at 02:51 PM
baka pwede rin ako sumama kay sir matz...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Oct 29, 2006 at 01:48 AM
I have heard Yamaha 650 w/ MA B2's (sister's setup). Ok naman.

I have seen many MA B2 setups used with NAD BEE. Havent heard it though. But if many people use it, maybe its good. Audition it yourself.

Sorry Jhun. It was really not my intention to suggest a change of gears, but the info was intended more for readers who are starting their setup :). Basta you are happy with your setup, thats good enough. You dont need to change anything.  :)

Sure, come with sanmig someday. :)

Same question b4, is it possible to disable 1 woofer on my FS so that it will suited to my 235? may gumawa na kaya nun dito ???... but the truth sir, i'm afraid to do such experiment baka kasi may maapektuhan sa equipment ko... BTW, i'm just extending to u my activities i've made (parang bosing ko ah ;D).. i've set my L/R level from 0 to - 4db.. may pagbabago sa hearings ko,  yung softness & flatness seems ok but yung power output level medyo humina... but i think ok na muna yung ganun atleast di gaanong stress yung amp section ko... yun lang po :D :D....

Will see you someday sir... Thanks and regards....

Insert Quote
baka pwede rin ako sumama kay sir matz...

Pre, masarap kaya magluto si sir Matz ??? ??? ???... wat du u tink...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 30, 2006 at 11:23 AM
Dont disable, I dont think you can without messing with the internal crossovers.

For my music listening w/ HK, I go for 2 channel only, set the speakers to large, set subs to none.

Title: avr 240
Post by: keema on Nov 26, 2006 at 01:33 AM
may nakagamit naba sa inyo ng receiver na ganito?? anong comments nyo?? parehas lang ba sila ng 235? ipod dock lang ba advantage ng 240??
Title: Re: avr 240
Post by: newbie pa rin on Nov 27, 2006 at 11:14 AM
may nakagamit naba sa inyo ng receiver na ganito?? anong comments nyo?? parehas lang ba sila ng 235? ipod dock lang ba advantage ng 240??
Thats what they say parehas lang.
But it will always have effect on internal circuitry since may dinagdag na component.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bhongskie on Dec 04, 2006 at 12:57 PM
Bros,

Those who go the AVR 240 do you have issues on the AVR shutting down or activating protect mode?  Sabi kasi ng iba yung HK235 parang eto and issue.  I wonder kung ganun din and 240. 

I will be purchasing a 240 this afternoon.  I'm just checking here to see if there are any similar issues with the 240.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Dec 04, 2006 at 04:43 PM
Bros,

Those who go the AVR 240 do you have issues on the AVR shutting down or activating protect mode?  Sabi kasi ng iba yung HK235 parang eto and issue.  I wonder kung ganun din and 240. 

I will be purchasing a 240 this afternoon.  I'm just checking here to see if there are any similar issues with the 240.

Im using an HK235 and didn't experienced any of the above mentioned issue.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bhongskie on Dec 04, 2006 at 06:02 PM
Im using an HK235 and didn't experienced any of the above mentioned issue.


Thanks bro.  That's kinda reassuring  :D

Just bought the HK 240 a while ago.  Nag-iisang stock na lang.  All of the stores I inquired from were out os stock.  Medyo matatagalan pa ata yung next shipment
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: backdraft on Dec 07, 2006 at 01:06 AM
HOw much and where did you bought it?

Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: acostaml on Dec 07, 2006 at 04:37 PM
what to get 335 or 240?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: allenwfc on Dec 07, 2006 at 05:01 PM
what to get 335 or 240?

if you have the budget a 335 is much better.. unless you value the ipod connectivity a lot... maybe add a little and get the 340..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bhongskie on Dec 08, 2006 at 01:28 PM
what to get 335 or 240?

If you want 5 watts more power per channel get the 335, if you value Ipod connectivity more, get 240.  I got the 240 coz its the one available.  I just need the pre-outs.

240 around 25,700 while the 340 is a little over 31K
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Dec 08, 2006 at 02:29 PM
From what I was told, its more than just 5 watts (w/c is a big difference in an All channels driven setting, x7 pa). The sound starts to get warmer starting at the 300 series. Also there is a room 2 mode.

I would recommend the 300 series at least (specially if you want to use floorstanders), cuz I found the 200 series a bit bright.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: acostaml on Dec 09, 2006 at 06:56 PM
Guys,

I just upgraded my yamaha 557 to the HK AVR 335 the other day...and WOW!

Sounds Fantastic!

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: allenwfc on Dec 11, 2006 at 01:22 PM
Guys,

I just upgraded my yamaha 557 to the HK AVR 335 the other day...and WOW!

Sounds Fantastic!



congrats :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: acostaml on Dec 14, 2006 at 10:03 AM
Guys Help,

My hk AVR335 is now in standby mode and attempting to turn it on with the remote, manual switch and using the "reset" feature won't bring it out of standby(but sometimes it does). Just bought this a week ago. If i cant get this fix ill return this to acoustical space megamall.

Are there any existing problems with the 335?

any recommendations what to check?

Mike
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Dec 14, 2006 at 10:16 AM
Please check power chord, speaker wiring.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 14, 2006 at 02:27 PM
Is the problem there from the start?  Take out all the speaker wires and check if the problem is still there. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: acostaml on Dec 14, 2006 at 03:27 PM
ok ill do it tonight. I hope its not my AVR:(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ekswind on Dec 24, 2006 at 12:32 AM
If you want 5 watts more power per channel get the 335, if you value Ipod connectivity more, get 240.  I got the 240 coz its the one available.  I just need the pre-outs.

240 around 25,700 while the 340 is a little over 31K

whre did you get Hk avr240? because last time i ask 29500
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tambutsoo on Dec 26, 2006 at 03:49 PM
how much HK AVR 7300?  tnx
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Dec 27, 2006 at 12:49 PM
how much HK AVR 7300?  tnx

over P120k. Requires 2 people to lift and uses torroidal transformers used in outboard power amps, you wont need separates (pre/pro & power amps) anymore.

Narinig ko na tumunog, HANEP!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Jan 05, 2007 at 08:58 PM
sir, sa architectural audio 25700 lang avr240 nila. you may want to inquire with them. they have one of the best prices! hope this helps...  :)


whre did you get Hk avr240? because last time i ask 29500
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jptransfiguracion on Jan 06, 2007 at 09:36 AM
I am seriously considering a 2nd hand 501 being sold to me here in PDVD at P10k and an HK AVR135 at P14k? Which do you think is a better buy? Or should I consider buying the 503 at P18k as mentioned by Baboinsky. TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Macross on Feb 27, 2007 at 04:54 PM
which is a good model of HK for a beginner like me?  yung entry level lang.... im in Singapore now and I would like to check out the price here in Adelphi near Funan....   planning to pair it with 2 book shelf speakers for now.. para pwede ko pa maiuwi pag gusto ko na balik sa pinas.  also which speaker suits best?

i will just be using it for my room to listen on my cd collections and watch some dvds.

thanks guys!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bogsle on Feb 27, 2007 at 09:18 PM
which is a good model of HK for a beginner like me?  yung entry level lang.... im in Singapore now and I would like to check out the price here in Adelphi near Funan....   planning to pair it would 2 book shelf speakers for now.. para pwede ko pa maiuwi pag gusto ko na balik sa pinas.  also which speaker suits best?

i will just be using it for my room to listen on my cd collections and watch some dvds.

thanks guys!


I would recommend sana, IME, the HK AVR-340 kahit starting ka pa lang. Buti na yung sa ginta ka na ng product line mag simula, IMO, coz you get a taste of some of the features of the higher end models and you are already a little bit above the entry level product line.

Kaso baka sayang yung features ng HT receiver if you prefer 2 channel audio most of the time and watch few DVD movies only. For that scenario, and if you're really into HK gears, go for one of their integrated amps, like the popular HK 630 (if it is still available for sale) or the latest HK 970.

But don't completely take my word for it. Please try to audition as well.

Good luck.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Feb 28, 2007 at 04:24 PM
I would recommend sana, IME, the HK AVR-340 kahit starting ka pa lang. Buti na yung sa ginta ka na ng product line mag simula, IMO, coz you get a taste of some of the features of the higher end models and you are already a little bit above the entry level product line.

Kaso baka sayang yung features ng HT receiver if you prefer 2 channel audio most of the time and watch few DVD movies only. For that scenario, and if you're really into HK gears, go for one of their integrated amps, like the popular HK 630 (if it is still available for sale) or the latest HK 970.

I would also recommend at least mid level AVR's like the HK300 series. I have heard the 100 & the 200 series. They become bright on demanding action scenes (typical of most entry level AVR's). You might end up wanting to upgrade later. If you can, go for the highest model receiver (if possible), Para wala nang upgrade sa sunod.

The HK 630 is a 7.1 receiver (2005), used to have one. Its 2 channel performance can rival those dedicated 2 channel integrateds (opinion ni Chad, w/c I somehow agree). If you can find this in Singapore as NOS (new old stock) at a discounted price, get it. Even the  store salesmen at XXX have commented that the older 630 sounds better than the newer 635. That kinda says a lot.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Feb 28, 2007 at 09:56 PM
tanong ko lang kung magkano ang  avr640 or 645? thanks....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Mar 05, 2007 at 01:44 PM
Is there really a big difference between HK 235 and HK 335?  What is the better AVR for this 7.1 speaker setup: Wharfedale 9.5 (fronts), 9.CS (center), 9.dfs (surrounds), 9.1 (rear), SW 300 (sub)?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bhongskie on Mar 05, 2007 at 05:19 PM
Is there really a big difference between HK 235 and HK 335?  What is the better AVR for this 7.1 speaker setup: Wharfedale 9.5 (fronts), 9.CS (center), 9.dfs (surrounds), 9.1 (rear), SW 300 (sub)?

do you mean difference in sound? 

I have not heard the 235 and 335 but i have auditioned the newer models 240 and 340 side by side.  Using same speakers, sources and all and I'd say I can't detect any difference in sound.  Just me though.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: acostaml on Mar 05, 2007 at 10:01 PM
Is there really a big difference between HK 235 and HK 335?  What is the better AVR for this 7.1 speaker setup: Wharfedale 9.5 (fronts), 9.CS (center), 9.dfs (surrounds), 9.1 (rear), SW 300 (sub)?

Im using the 335 with Diamond 9.4. Very satisfied!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bey on Mar 14, 2007 at 08:02 PM
nag babalak akong bumili ng HK med level, saan kaya mura at magkano. nga kasama patulong naman
salamat
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dj on Mar 14, 2007 at 08:45 PM
nag babalak akong bumili ng HK med level, saan kaya mura at magkano. nga kasama patulong naman
salamat
architectural audio, spectra all in makati sir.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Mar 15, 2007 at 11:25 AM
yeah, architectural audio is in greenbelt 1, while spectra is in parksquare 1. you can look for chad, epoy or nico sa AA.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bogsle on Mar 15, 2007 at 01:44 PM
nag babalak akong bumili ng HK med level, saan kaya mura at magkano. nga kasama patulong naman
salamat

Tawag ka sa Architectural Audio, hanapin mo si Chad. Heto number = 811-6715.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danger_ahead123 on Mar 16, 2007 at 02:19 PM
san po b makaka bili ng HK dto sa manila un murang bentahan?
made in san pla? ty
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Mar 16, 2007 at 02:39 PM
^ just read 2 post above your post. hehehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danger_ahead123 on Mar 16, 2007 at 02:42 PM
^ just read 2 post above your post. hehehehe

sila n po b pinaka mura?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Mar 16, 2007 at 02:53 PM
makipag tawaran ka lang..parepareho lang yan sir.

for example ako: sa sm north ako bumili kase binigyan ako ng 20% discount dun, ok na rin kahit mas mura (ng kaunti lang naman) sa AA o sa spectra kase ang kinunsidera ko makati pa sila eh, sa commonwealth lang ako nakatira. so, pwede na, di pa ako masyadong pagod sa byahe..kung 500 lang ang difference dun ka na sa shop na malapit sa bahay mo.

tsaka maganda rin naman ang service ng Digital Dreams sa SM North. Nahulog agad ang loob ko sa kanila, nabola nila agad ako eh. hehehehe ang pangit lang dun limited lang ang tinda nila, harman kardon products, infinity, JBL at AE lang. kaya maganda pa rin na dayuhin mo yung ibang tindahan para malaman mo yung difference sa price, marinig mo yung ibat-ibang combination ng mga gears etc.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Mar 17, 2007 at 10:14 AM
san po b makaka bili ng HK dto sa manila un murang bentahan?
made in san pla? ty

you can also try to acoustical space at megamall (5th flr) from where i brought my hk235 last oct 1995. good service din sila dun.. like scofield said, nabola na din nila me sa store nila kaya dun na din me bumili... makipagtawaran ka na lang sa sales rep... like me, hk 235 last oct 1995, the selling price is 27k+, i got it for 25k only, other stores they gave is at 27.5k or 28k discounted to 26k.. lowest deal na yung binilihan ko... thats the only benefit you can got to yourself ang makipagtawaran... gudluck!!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 17, 2007 at 10:34 AM
nakaka time travel ka pala to 1995!  ;D

Wala pang DTS ata noon at prologic  pa model ng HK dati.

Baka 2005 ibig mo sabihin. :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danger_ahead123 on Mar 17, 2007 at 11:56 AM
sir question lang anu pong mid level avr ang HK ?
340 b? anu po ang model na value for money? tnx
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sanmig_ph on Mar 17, 2007 at 12:58 PM
you can also try to acoustical space at megamall (5th flr) from where i brought my hk235 last oct 1995. good service din sila dun.. like scofield said, nabola na din nila me sa store nila kaya dun na din me bumili... makipagtawaran ka na lang sa sales rep... like me, hk 235 last oct 1995, the selling price is 27k+, i got it for 25k only, other stores they gave is at 27.5k or 28k discounted to 26k.. lowest deal na yung binilihan ko... thats the only benefit you can got to yourself ang makipagtawaran... gudluck!!!

pare tagal na nun ah 1995   ;D wala pa ako nun d2
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhunB! on Mar 17, 2007 at 01:08 PM
nakaka time travel ka pala to 1995!  ;D

Wala pang DTS ata noon at prologic  pa model ng HK dati.

Baka 2005 ibig mo sabihin. :D
pare tagal na nun ah 1995   ;D wala pa ako nun d2

SORRY PO!!! TAO LANG... 2005 PALA.. :D :D :D... 1995 onwards eh puro banat lang alam ko...


sir question lang anu pong mid level avr ang HK ?
340 b? anu po ang model na value for money? tnx

sabi ng mga nakarami hk 240 & 340 considered to be mid level...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Mar 17, 2007 at 09:04 PM
SORRY PO!!! TAO LANG... 2005 PALA.. :D :D :D... 1995 onwards eh puro banat lang alam ko...


sabi ng mga nakarami hk 240 & 340 considered to be mid level...

How much na ba ang HK 340 ngaun? ano difference ng 240 sa 340? may HDMI connections na ba mga ito?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: skylynx888 on Mar 17, 2007 at 09:33 PM
How much na ba ang HK 340 ngaun? ano difference ng 240 sa 340? may HDMI connections na ba mga ito?
no HDMI connections for both models, more power po ang hk340, price ranges from 30k to 32k.  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bogsle on Mar 18, 2007 at 09:25 PM
sir question lang anu pong mid level avr ang HK ?
340 b? anu po ang model na value for money? tnx

Bro,

For me, there are a lot of things to consider before we can say that a particular product will be a good value for your money. We can mention here the cheapest product, but if it will not suit your need or your preference the cost or the savings for that matter will not be worth it.

For one thing it will be helpfull to mention the size of the room where you plan to setup and use the AV receiver. Then, there are other points to consider like, are you more into HT or Audio as well. Would you like your system to be used for both or just for movie viewing? Of course you have to consider the speakers you currently have that will be connected to the receiver. What are the speakers' brand and/or specifications? If you don't have speakers yet, what are your choices for it? Are you into portable gadgets as well like IPods? And of course there is the budget question. How much are you willing to spend for your AV receiver? Do you have an HDMI ready viewing system? If not, what are the connection options available for video?

These are just some things I can think of from the top of my head, which will hopefully help us indentify if a receiver will be suited for your needs, and also be able to refer good stores also that can provide a reasonable price.

I believe that all of us here are always after what you refer to as "value for money". However, for most as well, there has to be a baseline or criteria which helps in the decision for purchasing a product. Only then can we say that the purchased product is worth the saving or the cost.

Please provide more information so you can be assisted in your query much better.




Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Mar 18, 2007 at 09:41 PM
Bro,

For me, there are a lot of things to consider before we can say that a particular product will be a good value for your money. We can mention here the cheapest product, but if it will not suit your need or your preference the cost or the savings for that matter will not be worth it.

For one thing it will be helpfull to mention the size of the room where you plan to setup and use the AV receiver. Then, there are other points to consider like, are you more into HT or Audio as well. Would you like your system to be used for both or just for movie viewing? Of course you have to consider the speakers you currently have that will be connected to the receiver. What are the speakers' brand and/or specifications? If you don't have speakers yet, what are your choices for it? Are you into portable gadgets as well like IPods? And of course there is the budget question. How much are you willing to spend for your AV receiver? Do you have an HDMI ready viewing system? If not, what are the connection options available for video?

These are just some things I can think of from the top of my head which will help us indentify for you if a receiver wil be suited for your needs, and hopefully be able to refer good stores that can provide a reasonable price.

I believe that all of us here are always after what we refer to as "value for money". However, for most as well, there has to be a baseline or criteria which helps in the decision for purchasing a product. Only then can we say that the purchased product is worth the saving or the cost.

Please provide more information so you can be assisted in your query much better.

What's the best AVR/speaker system for an HT > Music setup for a room about 5x6x4 meters  (WXLXH)? I'm thinking of upgrading my setup to an HK (300 series) + Wharfdale (9 series).. Is this ok?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bhongskie on Mar 18, 2007 at 10:30 PM
I have an HK240 and a diamond 9.5 for my HT setup and for my room and its inherent acoustic character ok na ok sya.  I can't say, though, if this combo will be good as well in your room.

btw, my room is about the same size as yours   ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 19, 2007 at 10:50 AM
What's the best AVR/speaker system for an HT > Music setup for a room about 5x6x4 meters  (WXLXH)? I'm thinking of upgrading my setup to an HK (300 series) + Wharfdale (9 series).. Is this ok?

A 5x6x4m room (30sqm or 120 cbm) would benefit from a top range AVR like the HK 6 series, or even better if you use the 7 series (w/ torroidal transformers used in external amps). Ideally, the bigger the room , the more power you need for the receiver, in your room's case, even separates are well recommended. If your room is acoustically treated more on the absorption side, again more power is needed.

In the HT hobby, excess is your friend. Its better to have a muscular receiver (for dynamic headroom) doing its job w/ ease than an underpowered or "pwede na" receiver coughing (naghihingalo) to do its job. Coming from using htib ->entry level -> mid level receivers -> power amps, I have personally experienced this.

As a guideline, THX select receivers were made for 2000 cu ft rooms while the more expensive THX ULTRA receivers were made for 3000 cu ft.

Your room is already 4,200 cu ft.  :o

Of course budget is always a consideration, so a cheaper alternative for big rooms: power amps. Also, if you have relatives in the U.S.,  the older model 7 series are being sold for very low prices (below 50k).
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: staind01 on Mar 19, 2007 at 10:59 AM
nakaka time travel ka pala to 1995!  ;D

Wala pang DTS ata noon at prologic  pa model ng HK dati.

Baka 2005 ibig mo sabihin. :D

 ;D ;D  ;D  ROFLMAO!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bogsle on Mar 20, 2007 at 10:55 PM
What's the best AVR/speaker system for an HT > Music setup for a room about 5x6x4 meters  (WXLXH)? I'm thinking of upgrading my setup to an HK (300 series) + Wharfdale (9 series).. Is this ok?

Bro,

Ang medyo malaki ang HT room mo. Kung HK340 (which is the latest in the 300 series) ang choice mo, maganda nga, pro baka mabitin ka. If you really prefer the HK340, then we recommend adding a power amp. You can also try higher model HK receivers. Too bad you did not specify your budget. But if you can stretch it out a little, go HK645 or 745.

Regarding the speakers, your choice is good. But if really wanna make them singe, provide them enough power to drive.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Mar 20, 2007 at 11:03 PM
Bro,

Ang medyo malaki ang HT room mo. Kung HK340 (which is the latest in the 300 series) ang choice mo, maganda nga, pro baka mabitin ka. If you really prefer the HK340, then we recommend adding a power amp. You can also try higher model HK receivers. Too bad you did not specify your budget. But if you can stretch it out a little, go HK645 or 745.

Regarding the speakers, your choice is good. But if really wanna make them singe, provide them enough power to drive.


How much na ba 645 or 745 dito sa Pinas? Is it available na ba dito? Budget ko around 40 to 50K for the AVR...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on Mar 21, 2007 at 10:19 AM
How much na ba 645 or 745 dito sa Pinas? Is it available na ba dito? Budget ko around 40 to 50K for the AVR...
Sir,
Price for the 645 is 84800, 745 is 185400
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Mar 21, 2007 at 12:33 PM
Sir,
Price for the 645 is 84800, 745 is 185400

Ngek!!!  :( :( :(  mura lang pala.. sana manalo ako lotto soon..  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 21, 2007 at 12:56 PM
If you do not mind pre owned, there was someone selling a HK630 before at the B/S section(aside from me, I sold mine) at your budget. I am all praise for this AVR, excellent in music & HT.

Sayang, I also sold a same class HK AVR (HK5550, 2003 model) for my migrating friend for only 28k!!! Somebody was clever enough to grab the deal right away.

If your current receiver has pre outs, just get a Rotel RB-1075 5x130w power amp w/ your budget. Your music & HT experience will blow you away. You can even go for the Wharfe 9.6 w/ such a powerful amp.

The good thing w/ power amps is it can stay w/ you forever. Just keep changing your AVR (w/ pre outs) everythime there is a new technology like HDMI, new surround formats, new features. They perform way better than a receiver's (limited) power section too.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Mar 21, 2007 at 01:05 PM
If you do not mind pre owned, there was someone selling a HK630 before at the B/S section(aside from me, I sold mine) at your budget. I am all praise for this AVR, excellent in music & HT.

I also sold a same class HK AVR (HK5550, 2003 model) for my migrating friend for only 28k!!! Somebody was clever enough to grab the deal right away.

If your current receiver has pre outs, just get a Rotel RB-1075 5x130w power amp w/ you budget. Your music & HT experience will blow you away. You can even go for the Wharfe 9.6 w/ such a powerful amp.



Thanks.. I might just do that..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: stipen22 on Mar 23, 2007 at 02:30 PM
Hello po, just wanna ask bakit ang nakaspecify sa manual nila 8 ohms lang ang impedance, di ba makakasira ng avr yung mga Wharf Diamond 9 series since 6 omhs ang impedance speakers sila? Pagkakaintindi ko kasi kailangan identical ang impedance ng amplifier at speaker para safe ang equipment mo. Is there something to do with the HK High Current capability AVR's with this? TIA  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 23, 2007 at 02:36 PM
Hindi naman kailangang identical.

High Current capability may just be another marketing gimmick.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: AICRAG on Apr 05, 2007 at 08:50 PM
Just got Harman Kardon AVR340 from Archi Audio.  Installed today using Dali Concept speakers.  Napapangiti ako.  he!he!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietro on Apr 14, 2007 at 10:04 PM
need some advice...all 3 optical inputs of my hk avr230 suddenly went dead. i checked all other audio connections and they were fine. i also checked all my speaker connections, but everything was ok. while using any of the optical connections, there is no sound. i once cranked up the volume to the max and a short burst of sound from the video i was watching came out. currently using coax connections, ayaw talaga nung optical inputs. what do you guys think? thanks.  ???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: AICRAG on Apr 14, 2007 at 10:13 PM
Bro kung 100% sure ka na ok lahat ng connections...at ayaw bumalik kahit mag off and on ka... i "reboot" mo.  meron sa manual na procedure to reset the microprocessor. (push tone button for 3 seconds etc.) babalik sa factory settings. kailangan lang ma note down mo lahat ng settings mo para madali ibalik later.
ginawa ko na to once kasi wala lumalabas na tunog saka yung OSD menu kulang. (did this during first turn on from the box)

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietro on Apr 15, 2007 at 09:51 AM
thanks bro! will try that. sana gumana na.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietro on Apr 16, 2007 at 09:05 AM
no luck.  :-[ just tried resetting the system, but problem was still there. all the 3 optical inputs seem to be dead. currently using analog connections.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Jairus on Apr 16, 2007 at 10:36 AM
no luck.  :-[ just tried resetting the system, but problem was still there. all the 3 optical inputs seem to be dead. currently using analog connections.

Have you tried tinkering with the set-up?  Is the Input set to OPTICAL?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietro on Apr 16, 2007 at 11:13 AM
yup. have been using the optical inputs for a long time na, 1 for my dvd player and 1 for my xbox360. bigla na lang nawala yung sound last week. the system doesnt seem to recognize the connection because when i choose the optical input, lumalabas "unlock" sa osd. pati yung optical input sa harap ng system hindi na rin gumagana.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: butchoy8701 on Apr 16, 2007 at 12:22 PM
yup. have been using the optical inputs for a long time na, 1 for my dvd player and 1 for my xbox360. bigla na lang nawala yung sound last week. the system doesnt seem to recognize the connection because when i choose the optical input, lumalabas "unlock" sa osd. pati yung optical input sa harap ng system hindi na rin gumagana.

Hi Pietro,

Have you tried replacing the DVD player and/or the optical cable? The problem might be the digital source i might be wrong though
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: XXXyzledge on Apr 16, 2007 at 01:21 PM
newbie question lang mga sir....

what are the diffenerces between HK AVR 230, 235 & 240?

thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scoob on Apr 16, 2007 at 07:20 PM
yup. have been using the optical inputs for a long time na, 1 for my dvd player and 1 for my xbox360. bigla na lang nawala yung sound last week. the system doesnt seem to recognize the connection because when i choose the optical input, lumalabas "unlock" sa osd. pati yung optical input sa harap ng system hindi na rin gumagana.

You can also try using the Optical cable to another equipment (if possible), para lang ma rule out yung possibility na yung cable yung problem. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: WAAP on Apr 17, 2007 at 02:22 PM
Hi everyone! I am a new user of HK receiver.
Would like to know if the flip down panel of AVR630 can still be repaired and where can i bring it for repair. The problem with the panel is that it stays open and can't be closed anymore. The unit was bought in the U.S kaya hindi ako maka-claim ng warranty dito. So far, I am happy with the unit and no problem encountered except for this minor one. TIA   :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietro on Apr 18, 2007 at 01:21 PM
You can also try using the Optical cable to another equipment (if possible), para lang ma rule out yung possibility na yung cable yung problem. :)

ayaw talaga. tired it with another dvd player and optical cable, pero wala pa rin. already brought it to beyond innovations this morning. thanks for your inputs guys.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: AICRAG on Apr 21, 2007 at 07:46 AM
ayaw talaga. tired it with another dvd player and optical cable, pero wala pa rin. already brought it to beyond innovations this morning. thanks for your inputs guys.
Sir Kamusta na Harman mo?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Apr 21, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Hi everyone! I am a new user of HK receiver.
Would like to know if the flip down panel of AVR630 can still be repaired and where can i bring it for repair. The problem with the panel is that it stays open and can't be closed anymore. The unit was bought in the U.S kaya hindi ako maka-claim ng warranty dito. So far, I am happy with the unit and no problem encountered except for this minor one. TIA   :)

Beyond Innovations in Libis. 6344790
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Apr 21, 2007 at 09:28 PM
hi! anyone using a harman kardon stereo receiver? gusto ko lang malaman ang mga impressions or comments nyo...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietro on Apr 21, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Sir Kamusta na Harman mo?

naayos na daw nila. they had to replace something daw (yung dsp chip yata, not sure, costs P2300) will pick it up on monday.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: AICRAG on Apr 22, 2007 at 12:04 PM
Good! pwede ka na ulit mag enjoy!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: WAAP on Apr 23, 2007 at 05:26 PM
Quote
Beyond Innovations in Libis. 6344790

Sir, Thanks. I'll call them :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietro on Apr 24, 2007 at 10:02 PM
Good! pwede ka na ulit mag enjoy!  ;D ;D ;D

just got my hk avr back from beyond innovations and...it doesnt work!!! pero i tried it there before i left and it worked fine. im sure that something was wrong with it because when i brought it in, hindi rin gumagana nung tinest nila. ano kaya nangyari dito?  ??? meron ba kayong alam na home service repairs for hk? just so that id be sure that it would work with my setup.  :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: acostaml on Apr 25, 2007 at 12:47 AM
kindly check my posts...im selling my system till this friday only.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: AICRAG on Apr 25, 2007 at 09:13 AM
just got my hk avr back from beyond innovations and...it doesnt work!!! pero i tried it there before i left and it worked fine. im sure that something was wrong with it because when i brought it in, hindi rin gumagana nung tinest nila. ano kaya nangyari dito?  ??? meron ba kayong alam na home service repairs for hk? just so that id be sure that it would work with my setup.  :(
bro baka dapat ma check din kung ano issue sa set-up mo.  baka may nag so short or something.  kaya pagbalik mo, baka nasira ulit.
In short, dapat ma check yung set-up mo at baka yan ang root cause ng issues with your AVR
(nabiktima si AVR)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietro on Apr 25, 2007 at 09:45 AM
bro baka dapat ma check din kung ano issue sa set-up mo.  baka may nag so short or something.  kaya pagbalik mo, baka nasira ulit.
In short, dapat ma check yung set-up mo at baka yan ang root cause ng issues with your AVR
(nabiktima si AVR)

Thnx for the advice...will try to check on my other components later. nagtataka lang talaga ako kung bakit yung optical inputs lang yung nasisira.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietro on Apr 26, 2007 at 09:45 AM
medyo OT: is there an optical to coax converter or adaptor? where can i get one locally? thanks ulit.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: AICRAG on Apr 26, 2007 at 09:56 AM
try mo tawagan si Chad ng Archi Audio.  8116715
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pietro on Apr 29, 2007 at 05:39 PM
update lang: i had given up on my optical inputs so i used coax instead. noticed that the sound was better than optical, parang masbuo yung bass. hehe. weird thing was that for some reason, i decided to reset the system last night....then my optical inputs suddenly worked!!! a-ok na lahat ulit!! thanks for the help bros.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: AICRAG on Apr 30, 2007 at 10:46 AM
Good to hear things are back to normal.  Baka nung inuwi mo bro merong fluctuations or something na nag disable nung connections mo.  Kaya nung nag reset ka, back to normal.
Ako coax agad, kasi mas reco ni Chadd ang sound kesa digital.  Masaya naman ako so far sa sound kaya hindi na ako nag try mag digital.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: XXXyzledge on May 12, 2007 at 02:33 PM
i will be acquiring another AVR for my HK 235....
this will be dedicated to my HK only since
my LCD, DVD player & CD player already
have its own AVR....

how big an AVR would i need?
is a 750 watts AVR enough? or do i need a 1000watts AVR?

TIA !!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on May 14, 2007 at 02:21 PM
Meron pa ba stereo receivers HK that are available?  Thanks
yes sir meron pa rin po
hk 970
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: AICRAG on May 14, 2007 at 08:21 PM
i will be acquiring another AVR for my HK 235....
this will be dedicated to my HK only since
my LCD, DVD player & CD player already
have its own AVR....

how big an AVR would i need?
is a 750 watts AVR enough? or do i need a 1000watts AVR?

TIA !!!
I think the 750 watt is enough.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: XXXyzledge on May 15, 2007 at 09:01 AM
thanks for the reply sir aicrag !

sir spectraav,
kindly pm price of HK 970..
thanks!
 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on May 15, 2007 at 10:15 AM
Spectraav,

Is the HK 970 a stereo receiver or an integrated?  Does HK still have an integrated?

Kindly send me PM as to the price.  Thank you
sir,
hk970 integrated amp, for the stereo receiver hk3380 or 3480
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mario128 on Jun 11, 2007 at 07:16 PM
What entry-level AVR can you suggest for a Hi-Fi set-up? And what speaker's good to pair it up? Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: audiojunkie on Jun 11, 2007 at 11:20 PM
What entry-level AVR can you suggest for a Hi-Fi set-up? And what speaker's good to pair it up? Thanks!


I suggest to set your budget, features you are looking for, list down the brands available, compare each one. Same thing in the speakers.  ;D  ;D

Good Luck.  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mario128 on Jun 12, 2007 at 08:53 AM
Anywhere around 15-25k. Don't really know which brand of speakers or AVR I want. Maybe H/K since I like it's design. lol So maybe you can suggest something that suits my budget. I'll mostly use it for music. And my room is just small, around 4x4 meters.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mario128 on Jun 12, 2007 at 01:42 PM
^ What model? How about speakers?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 12, 2007 at 04:00 PM
Hi Fi only? no HT?

Aside from HK, try also Onkyo & Marantz, all 3 are quite musical
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mario128 on Jun 12, 2007 at 10:37 PM
Got a chance to audition the H/K 3380 today. And I'm sold. Now any suggestions for a good speaker? ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: audiojunkie on Jun 12, 2007 at 11:35 PM
HK is very conservative in their watts rating 80w/c might good enough.  8)  8)
If you consider FS look for somthing easy to drive para swabe lang sa amp mo. If BS consider a good match up with Sub for bottom end.  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mike c on Jun 13, 2007 at 11:09 AM
actually, hindi kasali yata yung 3480 and 3380 sa conservative rating ng HK.

if you look at the 3480's max power consumption, impossible makakuha ng 120wpc x 2 (unless class D siya)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Dday on Jun 14, 2007 at 08:43 AM
tanong ko lang po. meron po bang formula para sa conservative rating? How is it compare to power drive ng nad?

Pasensya na po balak ko kc mag upgrade ng receiver its either nad or hk. Please help!!! :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bumblebee on Jun 14, 2007 at 09:22 AM
Approximately

(Max power consumption X 0.45) / # of channels

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: threadlock on Jul 03, 2007 at 05:05 PM
Approximately

(Max power consumption X 0.45) / # of channels



Taking this, and HK 3480's power consumption of 280W means that it has 63W of conservative rating, does it mean that HK 3480 and HK 235/240/245 (65W stereo) all has the same sound quality in stereo mode?

Does anyone have an experience side-by-side audition with any of HK 200 series and HK 3480? Is there any difference?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bassman on Jul 06, 2007 at 01:10 AM
Tanong ko lang kung familiar kayo, Ano type kaya ng memory back up yung ginagamit ng Harman kasi yung AVR5500 ko pag unplug yung power cord back to default setting yung configuration ko. Kaya ko na tanong kasi balak ko sanang buksan to check baka may button cell, na busted kaya hindi na nasasave yung settings ko. Tawag yata sa memory na gumagamit ng button cell ay Volatile Memory.

Thanks!

 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Jul 06, 2007 at 02:46 AM
mr. bassman... pareho tayo ng problema. i have a hk 5550 naman, pero ganyan din na after mo ma-unplug, balik sa default settings. i'm not sure though kung battery lang ang problema nito. if i may quote from the manual:

Quote
In the rare case where the unit’s operation or the displays seem abnormal,
the cause may involve the erratic operation of the system’s memory or microprocessor.

If the system is still operating incorrectly, there may have been an electronic discharge
or severe AC line interference that has corrupted the memory or microprocessor.

If these steps do not solve the problem, consult an authorized Harman Kardon service depot.

haay... sana may makatulong sa atin.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bassman on Jul 06, 2007 at 10:38 AM
Kala ko nagiisa lang ako ikaw din pala mr.gearhead.Sabi din sa manual it takes 2 weeks (approx.) bago mawala sa memory yung settings kung prolong unplug yung AVR, pero yung sakin basta na unplug erased agad yung mga settings ko.

Ano nga pala pinagkaiba ng 5550 sa 5500, thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 06, 2007 at 12:11 PM
Call Beyond Innovations 6344790, 6347315, 6345940
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: [r]ichkri3g on Jul 13, 2007 at 02:18 AM
any news or info regarding Harman Kardon HDMI 1.3 receivers?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: slayer on Jul 15, 2007 at 11:39 PM
There is a 2 cell button battery at the back of the front panel board.

Disclaimer:  It's best this be changed by the authorized service center.  You might break your AVR.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Jul 16, 2007 at 01:23 AM
wow, thanks sir slayer. this is a beast to lug around... so i might try to do the battery replacement myself. tamang-tama.... i might reconfigure my system in a few days so i will open and inspect the unit to see if it is in any way accessible.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bassman on Jul 16, 2007 at 02:08 AM
wow, thanks sir slayer. this is a beast to lug around... so i might try to do the battery replacement myself. tamang-tama.... i might reconfigure my system in a few days so i will open and inspect the unit to see if it is in any way accessible.

Sir pa-update ng result hehehehe (playing safe coz still love my HK5500).

Thanks!

To Slayer: Many thanks for the info.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Jul 16, 2007 at 08:12 AM
don't know if this has been posted here already:

Quote
Why are Harman Kardon amplifiers so much more powerful than amplifiers with the same power ratings that are made by other companies?

A Harman Kardon 50-watt amplifier will sound better, louder and cleaner than most 100-watt amplifiers from other companies. The reason is very simple. We give "true" wattage ratings, and our amplifiers utilize something called High-Current Capability (HCC). Please see the comparison below for further explanation. Other companies (100 watts):
Many companies have found new, convenient ways to get "big" wattage ratings on their amplifiers. They may take one frequency or tone (1kHz) and push it through one channel of amplification. This way the power supply only needs to supply power to one tone and one channel (no one listens to one tone through one speaker). This is not a difficult task for a power supply, so you get a nice, high rating like 100 watts. Now let's feed that one tone (1kHz) into 2 channels. Now the power supply has to supply power to 2 channels. The wattage rating is drastically reduced. Now let's take that one tone and make it ALL tones (pink noise). The power supply now has to supply power to all frequencies in both channels. Again, the wattage rating is drastically reduced. Now, your 100-watt amp is suddenly 50 watts (approximately).

Let's take it one step further. When you turn the amp up and begin to average the 50 watts of power, what happens to all of the dynamics/peaks in the sound? It can't get any louder, because the amp has hit its "ceiling," so the sound gets "clipped." The human ear typically can?t hear this clipping because peaks pass by so quickly but, nonetheless, the dynamics are gone.

Our amplifiers (50 watts):

We still rate our amplifiers the old-fashioned way - all frequencies with both channels driven. So "50 watts" is 50 watts. Twenty-five years ago, a 50-watt amp was very powerful. These days you can go to a store and hear a "300 watt" receiver and it won't impress; it lacks dynamic punch.

Now let's take it that extra step. When you turn the amp up and begin to average the 50 watts of power, the amp still needs to put out much more power every time a snare drum, triangle, or movie dynamic (e.g., hand slapping a face) hits. Our amps are able to instantaneously put out 20-100 amps (depending on the model) of high current to the speakers, allowing those dynamics to come through loud and clear, without any distortion. This brings the overall decibel average up, making it seem even louder that 50-watts.

gives validation to the oft-repeated phrase that hk gives conservative power ratings. well, not really "conservative"... but more like "truer" or more honest ratings.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Jul 16, 2007 at 02:54 PM
Sir gearhead, same problem with me as well on the settings issue being re-set when unplugged.  Maybe our button batteries are fading at the same time.  Please post results on the replacement and good luck!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ferl on Jul 17, 2007 at 04:05 PM
Guys,

I just upgraded my yamaha 557 to the HK AVR 335 the other day...and WOW!

Sounds Fantastic!



sir ano po ba ang mga speakers nyo when you were using the ym 557 and now with avr 335
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dj on Jul 25, 2007 at 10:47 AM
sir ano po ba ang mga speakers nyo when you were using the ym 557 and now with avr 335
[/quoteang set up po dati ni sir acostaml is hk335 and wharfe 9.4/9cs/dfs. yan din yata speakers nya nung naka 557 sya. right now hk630 na receiver ni acostaml ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: threadlock on Jul 25, 2007 at 11:57 AM
Is Harman Kardon high current design really good or bad?
I have read from some threads that high current amps tend to heat up faster and consumes lots power even at idle.
If I can still remember, someone has sold his HK AVR because it's always getting into standby mode and many HK stereo receivers are sold refurbished online (maybe because of overheating problems?).
Although I have read many positive feedbacks about HK, I am quite hesitant just because of this.
Another thing is, I don't seem to read from any thread where the local service center of HK is. So it would be a problem where to bring your AVR for repair when it got busted?
No offense lang po sa HK owners, Im just curious.
I just don't want to make a mistake if ever I upgrade to an HK AVR.  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: audiojunkie on Jul 25, 2007 at 12:49 PM
Is Harman Kardon high current design really good or bad?
I have read from some threads that high current amps tend to heat up faster and consumes lots power even at idle.
If I can still remember, someone has sold his HK AVR because it's always getting into standby mode and many HK stereo receivers are sold refurbished online (maybe because of overheating problems?).
Although I have read many positive feedbacks about HK, I am quite hesitant just because of this.
Another thing is, I don't seem to read from any thread where the local service center of HK is. So it would be a problem where to bring your AVR for repair when it got busted?
No offense lang po sa HK owners, Im just curious.
I just don't want to make a mistake if ever I upgrade to an HK AVR.  :D


That's same observations by other users/owners of HK. Due to it's high current design it really tend to heat-up easily or more than other names, esp when idle like tube amps. preformance wise it's really good but you need to place it in well ventilated rack... MHO... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Jul 25, 2007 at 05:33 PM
Is Harman Kardon high current design really good or bad?
I have read from some threads that high current amps tend to heat up faster and consumes lots power even at idle.
If I can still remember, someone has sold his HK AVR because it's always getting into standby mode and many HK stereo receivers are sold refurbished online (maybe because of overheating problems?).
Although I have read many positive feedbacks about HK, I am quite hesitant just because of this.
Another thing is, I don't seem to read from any thread where the local service center of HK is. So it would be a problem where to bring your AVR for repair when it got busted?
No offense lang po sa HK owners, Im just curious.
I just don't want to make a mistake if ever I upgrade to an HK AVR.  :D

No problem sa service center. Beyond Innovation sa Libis. Pero Hindi pa ako nakakapunta dun kase in two years (knock on wood) hindi pa nag kakaproblema HK ko. Very satisfied ako sa HK. Kung bibili uli ako ng bagong AVR HK pa rin ako.

Ang tanging pinag sisihan ko lang sa pagbili ng HK ko ay kung bakit entry level  lang ang binili ko. pero kahit entry level lang sabi nila High current naman, mukang totoo naman eh. Good for audio and HT but not as good as yamaha AVR in terms of HT. ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 26, 2007 at 02:28 PM
Good for audio and HT but not as good as yamaha AVR in terms of HT. ;)

Not exactly IMO. More often than not, it depends on the models & people's preference.

Between my mid level HK630 & Yamaha 2500, The HK's presentation has a greater HT SLAM (it flexes its muscles) while Yammy is hyper detailed & great w/ discreet surrounds.

So w/c is better depends on w/c presentation the user prefers. Macho or matalino?  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: leomar on Jul 26, 2007 at 02:55 PM
sir Matz,

ung HT Slam po ba e kayang solusyunan ng Power amp?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: threadlock on Jul 26, 2007 at 03:23 PM
sir Matz,

ung HT Slam po ba e kayang solusyunan ng Power amp?


Same query here, Is it a great to pair HK 345 + 100W 5ch power amp to get a great HT slam? Will this config get near to the performance of HK 7300 which has 110wpc ACD power?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jul 26, 2007 at 03:51 PM
sir Matz,

ung HT Slam po ba e kayang solusyunan ng Power amp?


Yes. unless your room is too huge

More power/headroom = more slam/dynamics. More power means more internal space needed (heat sinks, transformers) & usually cant be provided by most receivers due to space restrictions. But not a problem to dedicated power amps.

Most receivers, when measured like HK (all channels driven) do not give out their claimed power ratings (sometimes less than 50% lang!) . All power amps are all channels driven measured.

Just look at the inner workings of a power amp & a receiver, you couldnt imagine how to fit the power supply of a dedicated power amp into a normal size receiver along w/ the other components.

Same query here, Is it a great to pair HK 345 + 100W 5ch power amp to get a great HT slam? Will this config get near to the performance of HK 7300 which has 110wpc ACD power?

Power wise, yes. But processor wise: no (obviously). The higher end recievers usually still have better & more expensive processors that cant be matched by their entry level counterparts. But you have to pay a premium for these high end processors.

So bottom line to the question: near to the performance of a 7300? yes

Even w/ a powerful HK630 , there was still an undeniable difference when I used a power amp. If you dig up my old posts from years ago, I have always mentioned this repeatedly.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Jul 26, 2007 at 05:30 PM
Yung sa friend ko kase parehong entry level ang AVR namin HK 135 yung sakanya rxv540 pareho kame ng fronts, at center pero wala siyang subs pero parang naka subs na rin sa HT. Sinubukan ko yung set up ko without subs iba pa rin yung sa kanya....

pero mas maliit lang ng kaunti yung place nya sa place ko.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: stipen22 on Jul 26, 2007 at 09:53 PM
is there anyone uses a stereo hk avr for audio purposes only? and may i know how much stereo hk avr now days? kahit rough estimate lang. TIA! :) :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: audiojunkie on Jul 27, 2007 at 05:33 AM
To experience that great slam and dynamics....even without a sub ;) switch to another route of set-up mid or higher end AVR with more powerful ext. amps and or for more flexiblity " separates " preamp n amps...  8)  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ferl on Jul 31, 2007 at 11:00 PM
wow nakakainggit naman mga hk nyo. i will try to save up money for the new hk 340 i think that would be enough just for a new setup. im trying to check kung saan mura mamili ng hk. any suggestion guys at least makakatulong kung may suggestion kaagad.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Aug 01, 2007 at 04:48 AM
you can try architectural audio at greenbelt 1 and look for chad or epoy. they can give you a good price. i think HK340 is no longer available, just not sure. the last time i went there, 145, 245 and 345 na models na available. hope this helps...  ;D ;D ;D


wow nakakainggit naman mga hk nyo. i will try to save up money for the new hk 340 i think that would be enough just for a new setup. im trying to check kung saan mura mamili ng hk. any suggestion guys at least makakatulong kung may suggestion kaagad.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jedi on Aug 03, 2007 at 12:45 AM
Any idea how much the 245 and/or 345 would cost?  Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Aug 08, 2007 at 02:03 PM
Hello!

Any developments on the battery replacement project on the receiver?  I think Gearhead was going to try and DIY it.  Anybody have the battery changed of their HK for the memory settings?  I still have this problem from time to time when I turn off the regulator for a week or so.

Bassman, did you have your batteries replaced?  As per kind advise of Slayer?

Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bassman on Aug 08, 2007 at 03:52 PM
Rivalz,

Bro never tried it coz I'm still waiting for Gearhead result. ;D

Still same problem with you adjust ko na lang ulit everytime using the avr.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Aug 09, 2007 at 11:55 AM
Hi Bassman,

Pareho pala tayo waiting kapatid  ;D

Like you, I do the same thing and just input the settings again it takes less than a minute lang naman. 

Tiis muna tayo habang wala pa tayong nagagawang replacement bro.

Salamas!

Gearhead,

Makikibalita na lang sa project mo on it's success.

Tnx!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bassman on Aug 09, 2007 at 01:09 PM
Yun na nga bro ang ginagawa ko. balak ko na rin sana kaya lang love na love ko pa to kaya di ko mabuksan ;D

hintay lang muna tayo kay Gearhead.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Aug 09, 2007 at 02:18 PM
I agree bro Bassman, wag na muna natin galawin "precious" natin hirap na magkamali di naman tayo sanay sa ganyan.   ;D  Patience is a virtue ika nga he he

Pare model HK mo 5500?  Referring to your gears listed at the bottom tama ba?  I have the 5550 maybe this batch talaga is due to change batteries.



Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bassman on Aug 09, 2007 at 04:52 PM
5500 yung sa akin pero mas gusto ko yung 5550 dyahe nga kasi a week later after acquiring my AVR nakakita ako sa architechtural audio ng 5550. pero later on napamahal na rin  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Aug 09, 2007 at 07:52 PM
Talaga?  Sayang di mo nakuha first choice mo.  Either way good buy ka naman kapatid love ko din ito maski dami bago he he. Besides mahal magpalit!  So far this AVR hasn't given me any reason to change it for my current use.

Cheers!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Aug 09, 2007 at 10:32 PM
mga kapatid sa HK5550...... konting hintay na lang.  ;D baka this weekend mai-try ko na din. nagsasawa na rin kasi ako kaka-input ng settings tuwing bubuksan ko. di ko naman maiwanang naka-standby kasi baka madale ng voltage/lightning spike. i'm not getting my hopes very high though kasi sinisilip ko yung butas sa ibabaw parang masikip sa loob. pero, we'll see. wala na naman sa warranty ito kaya pagpraktisan ko na. siguro nga due for battery replacement nga lang ito kasi sabay-sabay tayo nagkaganito. i got mine 2nd hand kasi and previously i thought baka nadale nga ng power surge or something dun sa dating me ari.   

anyway, kahit nakakakita ako ng ibang mga bagong model... napamahal na rin sa akin ito kasi it can really drive most speakers i have connected to it, even the diamond 9.6. kaya nga urong-sulong ako dun sa bada 130wpc amp ni sir matz, eh. sa ngayon napupuyat ako sa multi-channel (dolby prologic II music) jazz cd listening. sarap makinig sa gabi.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Aug 10, 2007 at 07:08 PM
Bro Gearhead,

Best of luck on the project we will follow suit on your success ingat lang sir sa kalikot.

I never tried the using the prologic II for music usually stereo lang patay yung VMAX.  Hmm will try that this weekend sir.  What source do you use?  SACD?

Cheers!

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Aug 11, 2007 at 12:45 AM
actully, these are just jazz/instrumental/vocals cd copies... best materials for multi-channel listening. we have HDCD and DVD-Audio materials and i can't say they're better than the ordinary CD that's been properly recorded.

you can always try the different formats, including pure stereo of course. using my marantz, it was circle surround II that sounded best for me.... with the hk, the DPLII-Music gives the fuller sound (to me at least). logic 7 may have better soundstaging at times, but it can be somewhat leaner sounding.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Aug 14, 2007 at 01:40 PM
Thanks for the tip Gearhead will experiment na lang this weekend didn't get he chance last week nakakainis kulang talaga two days for a weekend!

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Aug 14, 2007 at 03:02 PM
if i may add, the more significant benefit for multi-channel listening is better subwoofer integration. i really have a harder time trying to integrate the sub with the main fronts using plain stereo. mostly, i just turn off the sub when i listen with the surround off. i have the bass management set to 60/40hz for a sub/sat config and 40/60/80Hz for F/C/S using the quite large d9.6 floorstander, 9cs and 9dfs.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Aug 20, 2007 at 11:27 AM
for those waiting for the result of my trial to account for the HK memory battery,
well, it's quite a disappointment. here's a look at the HK5550 with the top cover off.

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9936/editigp5181sx6.jpg)

aside from the very large EI transformer, where most of our money went, we can
see how tight the fit is. i have the front cover already unscrewed, but can't really
disengage it from the main body coz of some wires and flat ribbon cables that are
hard to disconnect.

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5920/editigp5183zj2.jpg)

i peeked at the gap between the front panel (just the back pcb though) and can't
seem to find anything resembling a battery or storage capacitor. probably it's still
much farther inside the front panel itself and the pcb. to totally disengage the
front panel, you'll have to cut the cable ties that hold the wires neat and tight.
i really didn't want to mess with that though.

so that about ends my little (mis)adventure with my hk5550.  :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: audiojunkie on Aug 20, 2007 at 12:58 PM
Have you contacted anyone from HK service center for an advice to replace the batt or even the exact location and the procedure to disengage all connection?  ???

where is the support HK people?  :o  :o
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Aug 20, 2007 at 03:47 PM
well, that would be my... errr, our last resort. there are many horror stories of problems getting worse with outside repair so if we could do it ourselves the better. anyway, i just relied on this previous post on where to look first.

There is a 2 cell button battery at the back of the front panel board.

Disclaimer:  It's best this be changed by the authorized service center.  You might break your AVR.

bad thing is i can't get past that front panel board. all i can see is its backside where there's almost no component. can't get a glimpse too on what's on the other side, so that leaves us with no option but to bring it in for repair.  :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: audiojunkie on Aug 20, 2007 at 04:14 PM
with that design and batt location is not really user friendly  ??? . Bad Design to consider  :( , unlike my B&K preamp the batt holder is located on the very top of main PCB and labeled so it can be replaced by any ordinary user  8).
;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Aug 21, 2007 at 06:06 PM
Gearhead,

Props to you on your efforts for the batt replacement!  Pero masikip nga talaga sir! 

Thank you very much for sharing.

Will try calling beyond innovations for this, sana they don't charge too much on a simple batt replacement.  And if they will be doing some cutting or major disconnections like unsoldering components to get to the batt di na lang siguro.

Thanks again Gearhead!

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Aug 23, 2007 at 09:51 AM
haha... same trepidation here. i can't imagine how they can ever get to the front pcb without messing up the wiring. i was just disappointed how the hk designers came up with that decision. what were they thinking, you ought to throw away your avr once the battery's gone kaput?

i was particularly having difficulties now having switched to front pj without a secondary monitor yet, so i don't ever try to switch off my avr now. i have the bass management set to 40/60/80 in F/C/S and it works well for me, but the default x'over once you switched off the unit is 100hz for all channels... and you can't access it without a monitor.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Sep 23, 2007 at 08:29 AM
any updates on the batt replacement? I also have the same problem. I already opened the front panel but cannot find any batt.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rexdc on Sep 24, 2007 at 10:01 PM
hi guys, do you know any local shops here in manila that currently sells the 247 or 347 AVRs? thanks  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Sep 25, 2007 at 12:24 AM
hi guys, do you know any local shops here in manila that currently sells the 247 or 347 AVRs? thanks  :)

i believe Architectural Audio already has the HK347 but the last time i was there to pick up my receiver, they have one thats to be picked up by one customer. just not sure if they have stocks already. maybe for order.  ;)  you can just contact chad, epoy or nico. hope this helps... ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Sep 25, 2007 at 02:50 AM
any updates on the batt replacement? I also have the same problem. I already opened the front panel but cannot find any batt.

wala pa yatang nagdala sa beyond innovations. hehe. ako naman magtanong. by opened the front panel, you mean ba you were able to get to the front part mismo? not just the backside of the front panel? that's as far kasi where i was able to go.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rexdc on Sep 25, 2007 at 04:21 PM
i believe Architectural Audio already has the HK347 but the last time i was there to pick up my receiver, they have one thats to be picked up by one customer. just not sure if they have stocks already. maybe for order.  ;)  you can just contact chad, epoy or nico. hope this helps... ;)

thanks Ryan.. yeah, just got my 347 from them today.. :) i was already eyeing it for about 2 weeks now.. was hoping to look around for other shops baka i can get a better price, looks like  sila palang meron dito hehe :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Sep 25, 2007 at 06:15 PM
thanks Ryan.. yeah, just got my 347 from them today.. :) i was already eyeing it for about 2 weeks now.. was hoping to look around for other shops baka i can get a better price, looks like  sila palang meron dito hehe :)

no problem sir... but as far as i know, AA has the best price palagi...  ;D thats where i got my receiver, AVR and speaker wires from. they have the most accomodating staff as well.  ;)  congrats on your new receiver.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: AICRAG on Sep 25, 2007 at 06:20 PM
Yup. I second that too sir ryan.
 Kaya nga sa kanila ako bumili ng AVR340 last March.  Umikot ako shops sa Makati, sila may pinakamababang price.  Tried and tested ko na rin "after sales" service.  One of the best if not the best in my experience.
Kaya nga pati Lovan stands at iba pa items sa kanila ko binili.

So far wala ako issues with the Harman.  Working well.

congrats sa inyong mga may bagong HK. 

Ganda ng bluelight ng volume knob sa dilim no?  hehehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ferl on Sep 30, 2007 at 11:47 AM
ako din im eyeing on hk, sna maka ausition din ng maayos kc pag naka low profile lang baka magbago isip nila baka mawala ang accomodating charisma.ahehhe. i look forward to try the gears out there.

Yup. I second that too sir ryan.
 Kaya nga sa kanila ako bumili ng AVR340 last March.  Umikot ako shops sa Makati, sila may pinakamababang price.  Tried and tested ko na rin "after sales" service.  One of the best if not the best in my experience.
Kaya nga pati Lovan stands at iba pa items sa kanila ko binili.

So far wala ako issues with the Harman.  Working well.

congrats sa inyong mga may bagong HK. 

Ganda ng bluelight ng volume knob sa dilim no?  hehehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ferl on Sep 30, 2007 at 11:54 AM

That's same observations by other users/owners of HK. Due to it's high current design it really tend to heat-up easily or more than other names, esp when idle like tube amps. preformance wise it's really good but you need to place it in well ventilated rack... MHO... ;D

naku po eh wala ako airocn at kadalasan matagal ako gumamit ng mga avr around 5hrs o sobra hindi po ba kaya magkaroon ng problem ang hk nito?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Sep 30, 2007 at 02:04 PM
you can try adding some muffin fan as i did with mine:

(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2823/editigp5168bgy7.jpg)

helps a lot. kahit you crank the amp or use if for extended periods no problem.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bogsle on Sep 30, 2007 at 11:23 PM
Yup. I second that too sir ryan.
 Kaya nga sa kanila ako bumili ng AVR340 last March.  Umikot ako shops sa Makati, sila may pinakamababang price.  Tried and tested ko na rin "after sales" service.  One of the best if not the best in my experience.
Kaya nga pati Lovan stands at iba pa items sa kanila ko binili.

So far wala ako issues with the Harman.  Working well.

congrats sa inyong mga may bagong HK. 

Ganda ng bluelight ng volume knob sa dilim no?  hehehehe

Same here regarding ArchiAudio. Visit them if you are looking for HK Receivers.

I got from them my HK AVR340. So far, no problem and playing strong. Very strong actually.

Every weekend the family often watch movies, sometimes 3 to 4 DVD movies played in succession. Walang problema! I would sometimes feel the receiver's top really heating up, but I never had any "thermal" shutdowns or other bad things happening to it. Performance is always the same.

BTW, I was a previous Yamaha receiver owner. I had two actually, the RXV440 at the beginning and then the RXV1400 later on. Yamaha receivers are also good, most specially for movies.

HK AVRs, in my experience are good both for movies and audio listening. Plus I like its punchier and heavier sound.

This is just me.







Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bogsle on Sep 30, 2007 at 11:45 PM
haha... same trepidation here. i can't imagine how they can ever get to the front pcb without messing up the wiring. i was just disappointed how the hk designers came up with that decision. what were they thinking, you ought to throw away your avr once the battery's gone kaput?

i was particularly having difficulties now having switched to front pj without a secondary monitor yet, so i don't ever try to switch off my avr now. i have the bass management set to 40/60/80 in F/C/S and it works well for me, but the default x'over once you switched off the unit is 100hz for all channels... and you can't access it without a monitor.

Just a comment on the particular note in red above.

Maybe so this is the reason, but were not sure about that.

Maybe another reason also is that it is meant to be worked on by a qualified technician at a certified service center.

Yes it is costly. But so is owning a vehicle which has to be maintained regularly. For me service cost comes with the teritory. I'm not speaking only for HK but for other HT and audio equipment brand.

It maybe be safer and practical that way, to have it serviced by a technician, since you don't risk further destroying the equipment or even hurting yourself.

Just a thought lang po. No bad intentions here.

Thanks.


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Oct 01, 2007 at 11:42 AM
no offense taken.

anyway, my complaint is in the context of the particular "problem". as you may
know, CMOS batteries for pc's are easily user-serviceable... and haven't heard
so many horror stories, if none at all, of the pc going kaput just becoz of a simple
battery replacement.

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5920/editigp5183zj2.jpg)

on your other point, i think even for a qualified technician there would be some
risk of messing things up becoz of the location and layout of the board of the
suspect part (the top portion in the above pic). at the least, he will have to
mess up the quite neat cable management just to get to that pesky battery.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Oct 01, 2007 at 04:05 PM
Yup. I second that too sir ryan.
 Kaya nga sa kanila ako bumili ng AVR340 last March.  Umikot ako shops sa Makati, sila may pinakamababang price.  Tried and tested ko na rin "after sales" service.  One of the best if not the best in my experience.
Kaya nga pati Lovan stands at iba pa items sa kanila ko binili.

So far wala ako issues with the Harman.  Working well.

congrats sa inyong mga may bagong HK. 

Ganda ng bluelight ng volume knob sa dilim no?  hehehehe

sobrang accomodating talaga mga taga-AA. the best service and price.  ;D ;D ;D  as for my HK245, la naman problem since i've only had it for 2-3 weeks only.  ;)

and true, ang ganda nga ng volume knob sa dilim...  even the wife likes it... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scaglietti on Oct 16, 2007 at 12:42 PM
have anybody tried (or auditioned) harman kardon stereo receivers? Are they ok for music?  HK 3385 and HK 3485 at 80 and 120 watts respectively. Both channels operating at full-rated power according to their website.  Looks good basing on the specs right?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ariel on Oct 19, 2007 at 05:47 AM
For those looking for the back-up battery, it is located in the front panel. It is not a battery but a small black capacitor (about 1cm x 1cm) .047Farad. If your equipment is out of warranty, you can try to replace it as long as you know what you are doing. If it is still under warranty, have it repaired by the shop. good luck!!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Miguel^ on Oct 20, 2007 at 05:31 PM
have anybody tried (or auditioned) harman kardon stereo receivers? Are they ok for music?  HK 3385 and HK 3485 at 80 and 120 watts respectively. Both channels operating at full-rated power according to their website.  Looks good basing on the specs right?
Anybody?  Specs looks good, but are they even available locally? Amazon price is $250, pretty cheap eh.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kane on Oct 20, 2007 at 07:50 PM
Anybody?  Specs looks good, but are they even available locally? Amazon price is $250, pretty cheap eh.

meron 3385 sa audio store sa sm cyberzone north edsa, forgot the name of the store.  16k yung price.  but didnt get to audition it, di pa kasi naka setup and wala din ako time that day.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: escy77 on Oct 21, 2007 at 10:09 AM
Good day! I am contemplating on getting a HK avr and I noticed that the price in the US is significantly lower. If I buy there, will they honor the warranty here? Can they repair (110v) it here? Are there any other problems I might encounter? Please share your opinions. Thank you!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Oct 21, 2007 at 10:20 AM
i don't know how much is "significantly lower". but given that your avr will be 110/120v, that means you should get a step-down transformer. that would be around 3-4k easily to get a well-spec'd high capacity avr/stepdown transformer. i don't have actual experience with beyond innovations, the local service center for HK though... but feedbacks about them are quite mixed.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: escy77 on Oct 21, 2007 at 10:32 AM
Gearhead,

     Thank you for your reply! The price of HK avr-347 for example in amazon.com is $480+ and HK avr-645 is $580+ if I remeber it right. It is almost half the retail here. Like the avr-347 which is going more than P40t here. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 22, 2007 at 11:39 AM
Good day! I am contemplating on getting a HK avr and I noticed that the price in the US is significantly lower. If I buy there, will they honor the warranty here? Can they repair (110v) it here? Are there any other problems I might encounter? Please share your opinions. Thank you!

They can repair it but they wont honor the warranty as its not international. I found this out when I tried to have my friend's HK635 (from Canada) repaired at Beyond Inno. Cost him 11.5k  :'(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: escy77 on Oct 22, 2007 at 07:21 PM
Sir Matzer,

It is nice to know that they can repair it if in case. Sir, was your friend's HK was suppose to be under international warranty when it broke down? Why was it so expensive? Do they charge higher because it is a 110v? If it is you? Is it worth the risk to buy abroad? Thank you!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 23, 2007 at 10:33 AM
I got my HK630 at around 50k, My friend got his HK635 from Canada for about 40k. His repair cost (DSP board got ruined) was 11k. Making his HK same cost as mine, plus he has the risk of plugging it to a 220v socket.

But if you are getting your HK at half the retail price here, I think its worth it, as long as you have a relative willing to lug around a heavy receiver sa airport, why not?

At those low prices, get the 6 series, they ROCK.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: RXV on Oct 23, 2007 at 12:54 PM
Sir, what brand of step-down transformer would your recommend for the H/K? Ok na ba yung panther? Is ours 50hz or 60hz?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: escy77 on Oct 23, 2007 at 01:21 PM
Sir Matzer,

   Thank you for your advice! I am really looking at the 6 series.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Muttley on Oct 28, 2007 at 06:49 AM

Help naman!

What's the best setting when using 3 speakers (L C R) and a subwoofer. am currently using 6ch direct (AVR245)?  TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: audiojunkie on Oct 31, 2007 at 10:02 PM
Help naman!

What's the best setting when using 3 speakers (L C R) and a subwoofer. am currently using 6ch direct (AVR245)?  TIA


even if you are using L C R or other speakers with Sub (also even FS with 6" less woofer still considered small) for HT better set them to all small so that the LF from all channels will be routed to Sub and all speakers will produce only mid - high requency sound....  ::)  8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Muttley on Nov 01, 2007 at 09:24 AM
even if you are using L C R or other speakers with Sub (also even FS with 6" less woofer still considered small) for HT better set them to all small so that the LF from all channels will be routed to Sub and all speakers will produce only mid - high requency sound....  ::)  8)

Maraming salamat sir! Now the bad news!!! sira pala yung SW  :'( ko tagal ko na di nagamit ngayon ko lang natuklasan. I know its the amp side (velodyne) pwede ba disconnect yun then use the high level input?

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: audiojunkie on Nov 01, 2007 at 02:48 PM
Maraming salamat sir! Now the bad news!!! sira pala yung SW  :'( ko tagal ko na di nagamit ngayon ko lang natuklasan. I know its the amp side (velodyne) pwede ba disconnect yun then use the high level input?



Active Sub were designed to work properly with it's own power and active crossover, using it as passive may not work properly or unexpected result might happen. IMHO, not recommended.  ;D
LCR speakers are medium sizes so for now you can set the L/R to large and C to small, just don't crank it hard specially on movies.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Muttley on Nov 01, 2007 at 05:34 PM
Active Sub were designed to work properly with it's own power and active crossover, using it as passive may not work properly or unexpected result might happen. IMHO, not recommended.  ;D
LCR speakers are medium sizes so for now you can set the L/R to large and C to small, just don't crank it hard specially on movies.  ;D

thank you agen sir!  ;D will sure do your suggested setting...wala pa moolah for a new SW...recommend naman po kayo mid level na SW
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: audiojunkie on Nov 01, 2007 at 06:06 PM
thank you agen sir!  ;D will sure do your suggested setting...wala pa moolah for a new SW...recommend naman po kayo mid level na SW

that will be OT... here.  ::)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Nov 02, 2007 at 01:00 PM
Hi Guys,

Anyone here knows where can I buy remote control for AVR 130? Fade na kasi some buttons sa remote ko.  :)

Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on Nov 03, 2007 at 10:51 AM
Hi Guys,

Anyone here knows where can I buy remote control for AVR 130? Fade na kasi some buttons sa remote ko.  :)

Thanks!
sir,
i can ask the distributor on monday regarding the remote control for avr130
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: t_s_o_n_g on Nov 04, 2007 at 09:33 PM
Hi spectraav,

Thanks for your reply. I've sent you PM.

Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: romevenom on Nov 16, 2007 at 10:43 PM
Hi all,

Maganda po ba ung Harman Kardon AVR 347? Im planning to buy it kasi eh. Papadala dito ung unit from states.
Ang nakita ko lang eh meron siyang HDMI at per-out ng speakers.


Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Nov 16, 2007 at 10:58 PM
Hi all,

Maganda po ba ung Harman Kardon AVR 347? Im planning to buy it kasi eh. Papadala dito ung unit from states.
Ang nakita ko lang eh meron siyang HDMI at per-out ng speakers.

Thanks!

it will be a good buy... except perhaps it will be a 120V unit.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mike c on Nov 17, 2007 at 12:15 AM
may HDMI audio ba ang 47 series or HDMI video switching lang?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: romevenom on Nov 17, 2007 at 06:42 AM
Meron po sir!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: escy77 on Nov 17, 2007 at 08:21 AM
Romevenom,

    Nakita ko rin yang HK 347 sa Amazon.com less than 500 dollars at mga P21T sa pera natin. Mura talaga lalo na kung bigay lang sa yo. Tapos me DCDi at gaya ng sinabi mo 2 HDMI input at 1 output. Me naglabas dito niyan medyo mahal lang. Sana maibaba din nila presyo para 220v kasi tama Gearhead 120v galing US. Pag dumating na yan balitaan mo kami. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: romevenom on Nov 17, 2007 at 04:56 PM
Sa December pa po ang dating sir, pwede po gamitan na lang AVR un kung 120 or 110? Sabi nga kasi sakin
110v daw un eh.

Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: escy77 on Nov 20, 2007 at 04:27 PM
Check out the thread about avr Sir Gearhead discussed it there.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: romevenom on Nov 20, 2007 at 07:07 PM
Check out the thread about avr Sir Gearhead discussed it there.

Sir paki bigay naman ng URL nung thread, thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: escy77 on Nov 21, 2007 at 03:35 PM
Go to the home menu and click General and you will find the voltage regulator.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: romevenom on Nov 21, 2007 at 09:34 PM
Go to the home menu and click General and you will find the voltage regulator.

Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ianbond on Nov 22, 2007 at 12:48 PM
Peeps,

Am currently rebuilding my HT and just made the switch to HD. Recently sold my HK AVR2000 and am looking at getting another HK receiver with HDMI in/out connectors. My question is, would the AVR147 be able to drive a pair of Diamond 8.3's for the fronts/8.1's surrounds? My room is relatively small so I don't need anything loud :P

My main requirement is that I should be able to use HDMI connections from my DVD -> AVR -> LCD

Oh, how much is the going rate for the 147's? 245's?

Waah gastos!

Thanks,
Ian
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 22, 2007 at 06:13 PM
My question is, would the AVR147 be able to drive a pair of Diamond 8.3's for the fronts/8.1's surrounds? My room is relatively small so I don't need anything loud :P

I also have a relatively small room - a mere 12sqm. But used a 6 series HK & later a power amp. Its definitely not about loudness. The more you feed your speakers, the better dynamics you get.

And its been argued in the HD audio threads that you will may need a good well powered setup if you wanna bring out the new dynamics that the new HD formats have to offer. You might waste your upgrade money if you dont get a good AVR, maybe try to start w/ the HK 347.

Quote
Waah gastos!

We have to face the realities of our expensive hobby.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ianbond on Nov 26, 2007 at 09:07 PM
Thanks for the input MatZER. I guess I'll have to go to my suking tindahan and check out the 347 -- haven't really included that as an option but I kinda agree with you on getting a better receiver to power my speakers - same principle I follow on car audio, the amplifier doesn't need to work hard to power all my speakers.

Ian
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: busabos on Nov 28, 2007 at 05:56 PM
Just bought HK 3380 and Im contemplating between Mordaunt short carnivale, avant and wharfe 9.5.  I was about to buy the wharfe, but I find it muffled.  Anyone using HK and Ms combi here? how's the performance?


Thanks...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: romevenom on Nov 28, 2007 at 07:38 PM
Just bought HK 3380 and Im contemplating between Mordaunt short carnivale, avant and wharfe 9.5.  I was about to buy the wharfe, but I find it muffled.  Anyone using HK and Ms combi here? how's the performance?


Thanks...

Hi sir,

Try using Infinity speakers or JBL.

Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on Nov 29, 2007 at 01:56 PM
Hi boss busabos he he! MS ok naman matching with HK am using the declaration series na MS with my HK am happy with the combi.  Try auditioning the speakers, if you can bring your amp to the shops much better nabili mo na naman yung amp, lalaki nga lang biceps mo  ;D.


Sir Gearhead you have PM thx!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: busabos on Dec 07, 2007 at 09:21 AM
Hi boss busabos he he! MS ok naman matching with HK am using the declaration series na MS with my HK am happy with the combi.  Try auditioning the speakers, if you can bring your amp to the shops much better nabili mo na naman yung amp, lalaki nga lang biceps mo  ;D.


Sir Gearhead you have PM thx!

I finally bought a partner for my HK3380 (Monitor BR2), my reaction was ..............=)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: theblue on Dec 07, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Guys what can you say about AVR-245? Tag priced as 35K, I did a quick chat with the sales guy and I had him lower down the price to 28K just for me. hehe.

Do you think I should grab it?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Dec 07, 2007 at 10:51 AM
any updates on the batt replacement? I also have the same problem. I already opened the front panel but cannot find any batt. 

finally, after several months of inconvenience having to do the setup everytime i turn on my h/k 5550, i had my avr memory problems addressed. i already brought my unit to beyond innovations to have it serviced. if anyone would like to have their unit repaired for the same problem, cost would probably be less than P2,500. service charge kasi is P1,500 then add the spare part na lang. i had the power supply repaired din kasi so i don't know the exact amount just for the memory repair, but it shouldn't be more than P2,500. workmanship seems ok too. di naman kumalat mga wires sa loob or kinulang ng turnilyo pagkabalik.

location is just behind eastwood. in fact, dun sa street nila ang tumbok eh yung entrance to eastwood sa likod. coming from ortigas take the turn on the street just after monark (and before eastwood). me makita kayo malaki building sa left, turn left din. then sa 2nd gate on your left also, pagtanong nyo na lang saan repair shop ng JBL.  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rodel5 on Dec 07, 2007 at 11:44 AM
Guys what can you say about AVR-245? Tag priced as 35K, I did a quick chat with the sales guy and I had him lower down the price to 28K just for me. hehe.

Do you think I should grab it?

sir may na search ako na murang nagbebenta.she was selling HK and JBL,AVR 145 sells for 15k AVR245 20k and JBL stage for 15k

here' the link.http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=1265701 (http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=1265701)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: theblue on Dec 07, 2007 at 11:57 AM
sir may na search ako na murang nagbebenta.she was selling HK and JBL,AVR 145 sells for 15k AVR245 20k and JBL stage for 15k

here' the link.http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=1265701 (http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=1265701)

Tnx bro! I'll look into this.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: trackers888 on Dec 07, 2007 at 12:22 PM
finally, after several months of inconvenience having to do the setup everytime i turn on my h/k 5550, i had my avr memory problems addressed. i already brought my unit to beyond innovations to have it serviced. if anyone would like to have their unit repaired for the same problem, cost would probably be less than P2,500. service charge kasi is P1,500 then add the spare part na lang. i had the power supply repaired din kasi so i don't know the exact amount just for the memory repair, but it shouldn't be more than P2,500. workmanship seems ok too. di naman kumalat mga wires sa loob or kinulang ng turnilyo pagkabalik.

location is just behind eastwood. in fact, dun sa street nila ang tumbok eh yung entrance to eastwood sa likod. coming from ortigas take the turn on the street just after monark (and before eastwood). me makita kayo malaki building sa left, turn left din. then sa 2nd gate on your left also, pagtanong nyo na lang saan repair shop ng JBL.  ;)

So ok na pala ulit si HK mo Chief Gearhead. Enjoy ulit ang HT nyan ;)
Buti nalang may maasahan kang repair center ng HK dyan sa atin.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Dec 08, 2007 at 01:35 AM
sir may na search ako na murang nagbebenta.she was selling HK and JBL,AVR 145 sells for 15k AVR245 20k and JBL stage for 15k

here' the link.http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=1265701 (http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=1265701)

brand new ba ito sir? sobrang mura nyan if thats their selling price. good buy!  :o
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead on Dec 08, 2007 at 05:26 AM
So ok na pala ulit si HK mo Chief Gearhead. Enjoy ulit ang HT nyan ;)
Buti nalang may maasahan kang repair center ng HK dyan sa atin.

tama. nung una, i was even a bit apprehensive pa coz of bad experiences with repair shops ng ilang members. so far, good rep pa ang beyond innovations for me. as of now, parang nasa honeymoon stage na naman kami nung AVR ko.  8)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Muttley on Dec 20, 2007 at 12:03 AM
brand new ba ito sir? sobrang mura nyan if thats their selling price. good buy!  :o


yap its b/new. bought 1-avr145 for my in-laws and 1-avr245 for me self ;D

right now they dont have stock for avr245 and the 145 is bundled with a 5.1 jbl speaker for 32k
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Dec 20, 2007 at 02:14 AM
congratulations sir! :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Dec 20, 2007 at 01:40 PM
hi sirs, any idea po bakit nag auto shutdown yung HK AVR 2000 ko everytime i-set ko sya ng 5.1? :( :( :( pag 2 ch ok naman, already check the wires, wala naman problema...pa- advise naman mga sir...salamat po ng marami...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ctlim on Dec 24, 2007 at 09:27 PM
naku... sana naman hindi... baka may tama IC nyan.... assuming ok naman lahat ng wire mo. wala namang nag short dyan?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: busabos on Dec 26, 2007 at 01:17 PM
Mga sir pano po patayin yun standby mode ng HK? Im using HK 3380.  Gusto ko kasi total shutdown pag-off ko, nakakabit kasi sya sa BADA line con with other components conneted at the same time (PC, TV, etc.)  Masama po ba pag matagal naka standby ang receiver?


Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: busabos on Dec 27, 2007 at 10:50 AM
Mga sir pano po patayin yun standby mode ng HK? Im using HK 3380.  Gusto ko kasi total shutdown pag-off ko, nakakabit kasi sya sa BADA line con with other components conneted at the same time (PC, TV, etc.)  Masama po ba pag matagal naka standby ang receiver?


Thanks

Any HK users here?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spectraav on Dec 27, 2007 at 12:26 PM
sir,

wala po way pra matanggal ang standby mode unless unplug or off ang line con.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Dec 27, 2007 at 01:07 PM
naku... sana naman hindi... baka may tama IC nyan.... assuming ok naman lahat ng wire mo. wala namang nag short dyan?

wla naman sir, naglipat kasi ako ng gamit..nung tinetest ko yung system accidentally nabagsak ko yung left surround na 8.1 ko tas ayaw na rin gumana nung 8.1 tas nung kinabit ko na don sa receiver, ayun nag auto shutdown na...receiver at speaker nga problema ko ngayon... badtrip!  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lanchawbin on Jan 05, 2008 at 07:43 PM
i also saw the ad regarding sa HK245 na 20k.. i'm planing to get it. it's either that or Denon 1708.

currently using Denon 1907.

mas ok ba talaga SQ ng HK compared to Denon.  Speakers are 5.1 Stright Focal Chorus Series.

Reson for upgrade is the HDMI. also 50W/ch lng ang HK 245 compare to Denon na nasa 75 to 85w

and sa nakabili ng HL 220V ba yun?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ctlim on Jan 06, 2008 at 07:51 PM
wala na un. ubos na mga avr245. puro hk145 with jbl 5.1 nalang natira. I can get the avr245 for around roughly 28. thats less 20% sa srp. direct from the importers office. just send me a pm. cash transactions lang nga.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kilowanpayb on Jan 07, 2008 at 02:07 PM
wala na un. ubos na mga avr245. puro hk145 with jbl 5.1 nalang natira. I can get the avr245 for around roughly 28. thats less 20% sa srp. direct from the importers office. just send me a pm. cash transactions lang nga.


good afternoon bro. do they have any avr 340 or 345? if yes, price ranges. thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: henhen824 on Jan 07, 2008 at 11:06 PM
wala na un. ubos na mga avr245. puro hk145 with jbl 5.1 nalang natira. I can get the avr245 for around roughly 28. thats less 20% sa srp. direct from the importers office. just send me a pm. cash transactions lang nga.

hi! is the hk145 (unit only) available also? pls pm me price. thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ctlim on Jan 08, 2008 at 11:25 AM
bro bawal selling dito. i just help out people na may budget constraints. PM nyo nalang.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bhengko on Jan 08, 2008 at 04:32 PM
spectra is selling the avr245 @ 29K cash.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ctlim on Jan 08, 2008 at 06:05 PM
wow mura na nun... akin direct pa sa ofc nila 28k. 1k lang diff.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bhengko on Jan 09, 2008 at 12:04 PM
i asked architectural audio yesterday.
lower than 28K. isip ko kung kuha na ko.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ctlim on Jan 09, 2008 at 12:09 PM
ganun? punta ako. sure yan ha, sure nako to buy at 28k e, kung lower the better.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bhengko on Jan 09, 2008 at 05:45 PM
sure yan sir. ;)
i got pm from AA yesterday.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Jan 09, 2008 at 10:03 PM
ganun? punta ako. sure yan ha, sure nako to buy at 28k e, kung lower the better.

thats guaranteed sir. for me, they have the best price for HK AVRs. that's where i got my 245.  just talk to chad, epoy or nico. ;)

goodluck!  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Jan 11, 2008 at 02:09 PM
I am getting an HK 3380 by the end of the month or early next month for a dedicated 2-channel listening.

Ok ba ito or may mas-better brands out there for the same price?

Advice naman po kayo jan.

TIA.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: accastil on Jan 11, 2008 at 04:49 PM
Guys,

Do u have any feedbacks abt hk avr2000 and hk avr 4000 (310)?
Which is better HK AVR4000? or Yamaha RXV-8000?

 :)

Thanks in advance
these are beefy AVRs...
both great for HT
for audio, i would go for the yammie

but if you already have existing gears to start with, test them both.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jan 14, 2008 at 10:17 PM
A little something to share guys. Just had a great discovery with my settings o my HK AVR335. Tried and set all my speakers to "LARGE" and the result was outrageous. It sounded bigger and the surround envelope feeling was more enclosed. The surrounds were more defined and blended accurately with my fronts. This is kinda odd because I know for a fact that most audiophiles here set their speakers to small. Since day 1 when I bought my 335, I've always used "LARGE" for my fronts and "SMALL" for my surrounds and back surrounds. But now I'm really enjoying my discovery. Its like my avr was given a major "THX kick". But this is just me guys. The rest of you might experience otherwise.  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 15, 2008 at 11:38 AM
thats why its been repeatedly repeated ::) in these forums to get the best power your money can buy!

In an HT mag article I read about budget/ entry level to flagship AVR's comparisons, lower powered receivers sacrifice their surround power to make sure the fronts get enough juice. This was shown with distortion tests & charts for all class AVR's.

Thats why higher level receivers or power-amped setups sound "bigger" (& are meant for bigger rooms) because there is enough juices flowing for the surrounds.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jan 15, 2008 at 11:43 AM
 :D :D Just realized I haven't juiced up my avr since then. I really enjoy what I'm hearing now considering I have no sub right now. Standing by for my incoming Velo cht12r. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: macdon on Jan 15, 2008 at 01:19 PM
I am getting an HK 3380 by the end of the month or early next month for a dedicated 2-channel listening.

Ok ba ito or may mas-better brands out there for the same price?

Advice naman po kayo jan.

TIA.



Sir, san po makikita at ma-audi yung HK3380? How much po?
Anybody know the distributor of HK dito sa atin?
TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: theblue on Jan 15, 2008 at 01:23 PM
Question lang po HT enthusiasts. Does HK receivers do a good job in handling yamaha speakers? Or would you recommend yamaha receivers for yamaha speakers?  Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Jan 15, 2008 at 08:33 PM
Question lang po HT enthusiasts. Does HK receivers do a good job in handling yamaha speakers? Or would you recommend yamaha receivers for yamaha speakers?  Thanks!

There's always a very good reason for matched devices. Yamaha receivers would surely sound fit. But that doesn't exclude using other avr's. I'm sure using HK would sound great as well.  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ctlim on Jan 15, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Sir, san po makikita at ma-audi yung HK3380? How much po?
Anybody know the distributor of HK dito sa atin?
TIA

the distributor is mac tan. i know him. pm me nalang, i can get you stuff from them direct.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Jan 16, 2008 at 06:47 AM
Sir, san po makikita at ma-audi yung HK3380? How much po?
Anybody know the distributor of HK dito sa atin?
TIA

Meron sa Architectural Audio sa Greenbelt 1
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bhongskie on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Sir, san po makikita at ma-audi yung HK3380? How much po?
Anybody know the distributor of HK dito sa atin?
TIA

Bro, you can audition HK3380 at Digital Dreams, SM North Edsa or at Acoustical Space, Megamall.  I think may bago ng version nito, the HK 3480.

Last year I think the SRP is more or less 16K for the 3480 if not mistaken.  I asked for the price of this when I auditioned an HK cdp.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: otepsy on Feb 04, 2008 at 05:31 PM
sir may HK ba na price range is 15k-20k 5.1 channels if meron pls pm me the model and where to buy thanks...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ctlim on Feb 04, 2008 at 07:52 PM
send me your number sa PM ill hook you up
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: romevenom on Feb 06, 2008 at 08:03 AM
Romevenom,

    Nakita ko rin yang HK 347 sa Amazon.com less than 500 dollars at mga P21T sa pera natin. Mura talaga lalo na kung bigay lang sa yo. Tapos me DCDi at gaya ng sinabi mo 2 HDMI input at 1 output. Me naglabas dito niyan medyo mahal lang. Sana maibaba din nila presyo para 220v kasi tama Gearhead 120v galing US. Pag dumating na yan balitaan mo kami. 

Sir dumating na po ung receiver ko.

(http://pic60.picturetrail.com/VOL1699/10162927/18273380/302133832.jpg)
(http://pic60.picturetrail.com/VOL1699/10162927/18273380/302133828.jpg)
(http://pic60.picturetrail.com/VOL1699/10162927/18273380/302133187.jpg)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Feb 08, 2008 at 06:47 AM
I am getting an HK 3380 by the end of the month or early next month for a dedicated 2-channel listening.

Ok ba ito or may mas-better brands out there for the same price?

Advice naman po kayo jan.

TIA.



totoo ba yan?  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: danrd on Feb 18, 2008 at 01:39 PM
Just in case any of you are interested - http://pinoybazaar.forumotion.com/a-v-bazaar-f4/fs-harman-kardon-avr-335-t265.htm  ;)
Title: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kroms on Mar 10, 2008 at 07:26 PM
Guys,

    My question lang ako about HK/AVR230 how to increase sub volume? i bought kc a subwoofer from diy master sabi nya baka matulungan nyo daw ako, wala kasing lumalabas na sound sa sub.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kroms on Mar 14, 2008 at 02:16 PM
Guys,

    My question lang ako about HK/AVR230 how to increase sub volume? i bought kc a subwoofer from diy master sabi nya baka matulungan nyo daw ako, wala kasing lumalabas na sound sa sub.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Mar 15, 2008 at 01:09 AM
Guys,

    My question lang ako about HK/AVR230 how to increase sub volume? i bought kc a subwoofer from diy master sabi nya baka matulungan nyo daw ako, wala kasing lumalabas na sound sa sub.

gusto kita tulungan sana kso althouhg naka HK AVR230 ako, wala pa akong sub eh, di ko tuloy masuggest ito (nde ba powered sub ito  - sariling amp)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jeremie on Apr 06, 2008 at 03:01 PM
sir, bka naka large speaker setup mo. lagay mo sa small speaker...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: audiojunkie on Apr 06, 2008 at 05:36 PM
I helped my friend to set-up his HK AVR5800 due to low audio output. I found that aside from setting all speakers to small, every DSP and other audio setting, the volume of every channel has to be increased or adjusted.Just not sure if this configuration is typical to all models..(it's no harm to check)...  ;D  ;D
Title: Harman Kardon 145
Post by: jonke on May 02, 2008 at 05:07 PM
Anyone? harman Kardon 145.. comments? are they good?
Title: Harman/Kardon AVR 45 Series
Post by: ae_evo1 on May 05, 2008 at 04:00 PM
Mga guru any comment sa harman/kardon AVR especially 145 at 245 series

my brother is planning to get one.  Well I know my self maganda yung product what about your comment.

want to hear something from you.
Title: Re: Harman/Kardon AVR 45 Series
Post by: mholtz2000 on May 05, 2008 at 04:19 PM
Mga guru any comment sa harman/kardon AVR especially 145 at 245 series

my brother is planning to get one.  Well I know my self maganda yung product what about your comment.

want to hear something from you.

brad, i just bought HK 145 at ABENSON Trinoma last week for my father speakers, M-Short na OLD Model. before gamit nya Denon. pare astig HK AVR- lumabas ganda ng tunog ng speakers iba klase mag drive 40 watts pero high current ganda ng dynamics. dude dnt hesitate to buy HK - bumili ka na . very very good Amp. ASTIG ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Rivalz on May 15, 2008 at 03:58 PM
Guys,

    My question lang ako about HK/AVR230 how to increase sub volume? i bought kc a subwoofer from diy master sabi nya baka matulungan nyo daw ako, wala kasing lumalabas na sound sa sub.

Kroms,

Assuming powered sub yan check your cable connection for the signal from the amp to the sub.  Also, you have to access the on-screen display and activate that you have a sub connected baka naka 2 channel setting ka lang bossing.

Good luck!

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: pilyo168 on May 20, 2008 at 02:28 AM
guys try ninyo itong low impedance subwoofer amplifier para sa harman/kardon receiver ninyo.

copy paste link.

http://tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=734004
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Jun 09, 2008 at 05:17 PM
saan nga po uli ang service center ng hk?


thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM
saan nga po uli ang service center ng hk?


thanks

Its in Libis near Eastwood. Call 6344790, 6347315.

Disclaimer: No, I have no relations to the company.   :D ;D Just want to help.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: scofield on Jun 10, 2008 at 09:12 PM
thanks boss matz! :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ravel on Jun 18, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Hi guys, has anyone seen the new HK AVR models, 155, 255, 355?  Well, they definitely look good, very elegent, very clean :)  Supports HD surround modes na din.  Just called AA, unfortunely, walang pang available units.  Any idea how much would it cost here.? I was looking at AVR 355 over the internet, it was somewhere around $700.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: --Streetlegal-- on Jul 14, 2008 at 08:12 PM
to all,

good day po!

i would like to ask po sana for your help or suggestion regarding hk135.

it's a 6.1 receiver, does the 6.1 channel will work if i'm gonna use an optical cable, or do i still need a dvd disc which has a 6.1 audio output also.

i'm currently using an rca cable connected to my dvd's 5.1 channel, which obviously will not result to 6.1 channel output.

what can you suggest po

hoping for your pm or reply, thanks in advance po sa inyo  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ASuL on Jul 15, 2008 at 06:30 PM
ok ba yung HK330...does it have HDMI already?


what year did this model come out...im looking for a mid-level receiver sana (2nd hand) budget of 20k max
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: romevenom on Jul 15, 2008 at 08:51 PM
to all,

good day po!

i would like to ask po sana for your help or suggestion regarding hk135.

it's a 6.1 receiver, does the 6.1 channel will work if i'm gonna use an optical cable, or do i still need a dvd disc which has a 6.1 audio output also.

i'm currently using an rca cable connected to my dvd's 5.1 channel, which obviously will not result to 6.1 channel output.

what can you suggest po

hoping for your pm or reply, thanks in advance po sa inyo  ;D
Hi,

You're right sir, 6.1 chennel can work if you will use an optical cable.

Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: otepsy on Jul 16, 2008 at 11:05 AM
to all,

good day po!

i would like to ask po sana for your help or suggestion regarding hk135.

it's a 6.1 receiver, does the 6.1 channel will work if i'm gonna use an optical cable, or do i still need a dvd disc which has a 6.1 audio output also.

i'm currently using an rca cable connected to my dvd's 5.1 channel, which obviously will not result to 6.1 channel output.

what can you suggest po

hoping for your pm or reply, thanks in advance po sa inyo  ;D

try also coax, i also have avr 135 and my connection is through coax, 6.1 just works fine..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: --Streetlegal-- on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:22 PM
to sir rome and sir otepsy,

thanks for your reply  ;D

sayang yung kay sir rome, naunahan ako sa daiyo optical cable

according to my officemate, mas maganda daw gamitin yung optical compared to coaxial, is this true

i'm contemplating to get the audio pro optical cable sa ace hardware, p490 yata to

what do you suggest, hk & sony combo for ht ang gamit ko, right now po kasi nextbase 783 via 5.1 analog rca cable to hk135, ok nmn sya, pero i'm planning to use yung sony dvd player ko, which has a connection for optical cable

thanks for your input mga sir  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: --Streetlegal-- on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Guys,

    My question lang ako about HK/AVR230 how to increase sub volume? i bought kc a subwoofer from diy master sabi nya baka matulungan nyo daw ako, wala kasing lumalabas na sound sa sub.

where you able to solve your problem sir?

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: otepsy on Jul 16, 2008 at 02:02 PM
streetlegal,

i haven't try the optical yet, pero sometime i'll try optical and compare it, if you can pls. give feedback.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: romevenom on Jul 16, 2008 at 02:18 PM
streetlegal,

i haven't try the optical yet, pero sometime i'll try optical and compare it, if you can pls. give feedback.



Otepsy,

It's hard to hear the difference in sound output of Digital Coaxial and Optical cable.
It think they are just both the same. Just make sure that your Coaxial cable is DIGITAL not ANALOG. Its your chance to compare it, give us a feedback if your the difference.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ASuL on Jul 16, 2008 at 07:36 PM
is the HK255 already out...how much kaya mga sir?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jul 27, 2008 at 10:21 PM
it's not out here yet. maybe by end of the year or early next year. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ASuL on Jul 28, 2008 at 10:26 AM
thanks avshop...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Ctlim on Jul 28, 2008 at 10:47 AM
to adjust the sub volume, press channel.... then press the > button below it still the screen says sub-w then press "set" then press < or > again to set the level.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: --Streetlegal-- on Jul 29, 2008 at 07:58 PM
Otepsy,

It's hard to hear the difference in sound output of Digital Coaxial and Optical cable.
It think they are just both the same. Just make sure that your Coaxial cable is DIGITAL not ANALOG. Its your chance to compare it, give us a feedback if your the difference.


sir rome,

when you say "Just make sure that your Coaxial cable is DIGITAL not ANALOG", what do you exactly mean? i have an optical cable, rg59, i've tried and used it as coaxial and it works, but the problem is the dialogue/voice(which normally comes out sa center, also comes out sa front channels. tried to select dts audio already, but still the same

i've already selected coaxial 1 on my hk receiver, and it has the same audio output po

any recommendations mga sirs? thanks in advance
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: romevenom on Jul 30, 2008 at 09:13 AM
[quote author=--Streetlegal--

sir rome,

when you say "Just make sure that your Coaxial cable is DIGITAL not ANALOG", what do you exactly mean? i have an optical cable, rg59, i've tried and used it as coaxial and it works, but the problem is the dialogue/voice(which normally comes out sa center, also comes out sa front channels. tried to select dts audio already, but still the same

i've already selected coaxial 1 on my hk receiver, and it has the same audio output po

any recommendations mga sirs? thanks in advance

[/quote]
Hi,

Not all coaxial cables can carry digital signals. There are two types of coaxial cables, Digital and Analog. Analog coaxial capable cannot carry digital signals. Sir just use your optical cable and select optical cable 1 on your HK receiver (not coaxial cable 1). I'm very much sure it will carry digital signals.

Thanks!
Rome
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kulimo on Jul 30, 2008 at 09:41 AM
[quote author=--Streetlegal--

sir rome,

when you say "Just make sure that your Coaxial cable is DIGITAL not ANALOG", what do you exactly mean? i have an optical cable, rg59, i've tried and used it as coaxial and it works, but the problem is the dialogue/voice(which normally comes out sa center, also comes out sa front channels. tried to select dts audio already, but still the same

i've already selected coaxial 1 on my hk receiver, and it has the same audio output po

any recommendations mga sirs? thanks in advance


Hi,

Not all coaxial cables can carry digital signals. There are two types of coaxial cables, Digital and Analog. Analog coaxial capable cannot carry digital signals. Sir just use your optical cable and select optical cable 1 on your HK receiver (not coaxial cable 1). I'm very much sure it will carry digital signals.

Thanks!
Rome

Digital coaxial is also known as  S/PDIF coaxial cable - Capable of carrying digital audio signals.
One type of analog coaxial cable is the RG59/22 cable - Usually seen in your cable or sat TV.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: --Streetlegal-- on Jul 30, 2008 at 05:14 PM
thanks sir for your very informative reply ;D

sorry medyo bago pa lang po and not familiar with cables

thanks sir rome also
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: --Streetlegal-- on Jul 31, 2008 at 06:47 PM
thanks sir for your very informative reply ;D

sorry medyo bago pa lang po and not familiar with cables

thanks sir rome also

tried it mga sir, its analog po  ;D

still thinking if optical or coaxial...........
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lrdcly on Aug 01, 2008 at 10:28 AM
hello.. where can i buy hk receivers? meron ba silang 15-20k lang price? pero with optical input na.. and ok ba hk if paired with wharfe speaker? thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: romevenom on Aug 01, 2008 at 12:58 PM
hello.. where can i buy hk receivers? meron ba silang 15-20k lang price? pero with optical input na.. and ok ba hk if paired with wharfe speaker? thanks!

Audition on Architectural Audio.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: marcyao on Aug 02, 2008 at 12:49 AM
hello.. where can i buy hk receivers? meron ba silang 15-20k lang price? pero with optical input na.. and ok ba hk if paired with wharfe speaker? thanks!

avshop is selling the hk avr 245 for only 26k :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lrdcly on Aug 02, 2008 at 09:22 PM
thanks guys.. where is architectural audio located? ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Aug 03, 2008 at 07:40 PM
sa greenbelt 1 sa makati po, katabi ng blimms
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: marcyao on Aug 04, 2008 at 07:07 PM
does anyone know how much the harman kardon avr 255 and 355 will cost in hong kong? :)

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: romevenom on Aug 07, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Anyone tried to upgrade their Harman Kardon 347? Nakakatakot mag upgrade eh. Pa help naman po kung meron na nka try.

Thanks!

http://www.harmankardon.com/product_support/ProductUpgrades.aspx?prod=AVR%20347&prodname=AVR%20347&Country=US&Language=ENG&Region=USA&ky=55C69EDE2CB3F9B4CA4A6880CAD7A123 (http://www.harmankardon.com/product_support/ProductUpgrades.aspx?prod=AVR%20347&prodname=AVR%20347&Country=US&Language=ENG&Region=USA&ky=55C69EDE2CB3F9B4CA4A6880CAD7A123)

To manually check that your AVR's software has been properly upgraded, press 1-2-3-4-SET on the remote control, and the current software version will appear in the front-panel display. If the version information shown below appears, your upgrade was successful. If not, please repeat the upgrade process.


02-02-2008    02
HFW V2.4.22.1
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lrdcly on Sep 11, 2008 at 08:34 PM
guys, san pa kaya meron hk145? thanks ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mikevg08 on Sep 13, 2008 at 01:06 AM
guys, san pa kaya meron hk145? thanks ;D

meron po sa architecturalaudio @ 19,600, im planning to buy that also, what speaker are you pairing with hk145?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lrdcly on Sep 13, 2008 at 08:31 AM
meron po sa architecturalaudio @ 19,600, im planning to buy that also, what speaker are you pairing with hk145?

planning to pair it with wharfedale 9.5, 9cm, un pang surround di ko pa alam.
will the 145 be sufficient enough for the wharfes? or should i go with 245? kaso ang mahal na :-\
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mikevg08 on Sep 13, 2008 at 12:45 PM
planning to pair it with wharfedale 9.5, 9cm, un pang surround di ko pa alam.
will the 145 be sufficient enough for the wharfes? or should i go with 245? kaso ang mahal na :-\

di ko rin po sure kung ok na combi yung hk145 and 9.5, wala pa po time makapag audition eh pero 9.5 din po plan kong ippair sa hk145 for my first ht setup =)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lrdcly on Sep 13, 2008 at 08:28 PM
di ko rin po sure kung ok na combi yung hk145 and 9.5, wala pa po time makapag audition eh pero 9.5 din po plan kong ippair sa hk145 for my first ht setup =)

pareho tayo. wala din ako time for audition.. tanong tanong lang muna..hehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mikevg08 on Sep 13, 2008 at 09:27 PM
pareho tayo. wala din ako time for audition.. tanong tanong lang muna..hehe

kaylan mo balak buuhin setup mo? isang bagsakan ba gagawin mo 5.1 kagad? ako kasi 2.1 muna siguro tapos ipon uli budget para sa center and surronds, nung una gusto ko yung satelite speakers lang na pwede i-wall mount kaso naisip ko para matagal tagal bago upgrade uli eh dun na ako sa floorstander speakers
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lrdcly on Sep 14, 2008 at 02:49 PM
kaylan mo balak buuhin setup mo? isang bagsakan ba gagawin mo 5.1 kagad? ako kasi 2.1 muna siguro tapos ipon uli budget para sa center and surronds, nung una gusto ko yung satelite speakers lang na pwede i-wall mount kaso naisip ko para matagal tagal bago upgrade uli eh dun na ako sa floorstander speakers

balak ko kasi 9.5+9cm lang muna tapos un surrounds yun muna sa sony htib gamitin ko. yun sa sub wala pa ko plan bumili. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Oct 01, 2008 at 10:33 PM
I have an HK5500 and hindi na nag sasave settings nya, pag ni off ko sya nawawala yung settings when i turn it back on? Any of you guys encountered the same problem? Where can i get this fixed?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bryan338 on Oct 01, 2008 at 11:12 PM
guys,
ok ba yung hk avr 145 yung may kasama ng jbl na speakers yung maliliit with 8" sub? tnx
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Oct 01, 2008 at 11:22 PM
I have an HK5500 and hindi na nag sasave settings nya, pag ni off ko sya nawawala yung settings when i turn it back on? Any of you guys encountered the same problem? Where can i get this fixed?

im not really sure sir, but maybe its the internal battery of your AVR, baka po nde na niya nareretain yung settings. maybe you already need to have it replaced. just a thought sir. thanks!  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Oct 01, 2008 at 11:47 PM
guys,
ok ba yung hk avr 145 yung may kasama ng jbl na speakers yung maliliit with 8" sub? tnx

ok naman yung JBL na speakers sir. it might also depend on the room you'll be using it to, size, etc. for a small room i believe its going to be ok. currently, im using a sub sat combo as well, a jamo A102 HCS5. yung small cubes with an 8" sub connected to an HK245. ok naman siya for me, it already rocks my small room.  ;)

if you have the budget and the space, i would suggest you get at least bookshelf speakers and a good sub para sulit naman.  :D

the best suggestion i can give is for you to audition it and see if it would be great for you already.  ;)

goodluck!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rexdc on Oct 12, 2008 at 08:38 PM
sakin bro dinala ko na lng sa official H/K service center sa libis, sila na lang pinaupgrade ko. just incase magloko firmware, covered ng warranty :)


Anyone tried to upgrade their Harman Kardon 347? Nakakatakot mag upgrade eh. Pa help naman po kung meron na nka try.

Thanks!

http://www.harmankardon.com/product_support/ProductUpgrades.aspx?prod=AVR%20347&prodname=AVR%20347&Country=US&Language=ENG&Region=USA&ky=55C69EDE2CB3F9B4CA4A6880CAD7A123 (http://www.harmankardon.com/product_support/ProductUpgrades.aspx?prod=AVR%20347&prodname=AVR%20347&Country=US&Language=ENG&Region=USA&ky=55C69EDE2CB3F9B4CA4A6880CAD7A123)

To manually check that your AVR's software has been properly upgraded, press 1-2-3-4-SET on the remote control, and the current software version will appear in the front-panel display. If the version information shown below appears, your upgrade was successful. If not, please repeat the upgrade process.


02-02-2008    02
HFW V2.4.22.1

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bryan338 on Oct 13, 2008 at 12:46 PM
guys,
gamit ko ngayon is avr 145.. ano kaya ok na front speaker ang ilagay? floor standing sana balak ko... ok ba yung mourdant short carnival 8 or carnival 6 model? ano pa ba yung ok na ibang option na mag mamatch sa avr 145? TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Oct 14, 2008 at 01:45 AM
guys,
gamit ko ngayon is avr 145.. ano kaya ok na front speaker ang ilagay? floor standing sana balak ko... ok ba yung mourdant short carnival 8 or carnival 6 model? ano pa ba yung ok na ibang option na mag mamatch sa avr 145? TIA


you might want to consider the infinity primus 362 floorstanders.  great value for money and are a perfect match for the hk receivers. infinity is a sister company of harman kardon.  you can contact me if you're interested in auditioning and purchasing a set. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Oct 14, 2008 at 02:46 AM
guys,
gamit ko ngayon is avr 145.. ano kaya ok na front speaker ang ilagay? floor standing sana balak ko... ok ba yung mourdant short carnival 8 or carnival 6 model? ano pa ba yung ok na ibang option na mag mamatch sa avr 145? TIA



sir avshop is right, infinity is a very good match for HK. you may also want to try DALI concept series at architectural audio in greenbelt 1, good match din siya sa HK. good luck! :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bryan338 on Oct 14, 2008 at 10:20 AM
tnx sa replies....
mga how much kaya yung infinity primus? ok din ba yung jbl (forgot the model pero floor standing na din)? sapat na ba yung power ng avr 145 sa infinity? na audition ko na kasi yung jbl so far ok naman, pero baka may mas ok pa na iba tsaka mas cheaper hehe,  tnx tnx
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Oct 14, 2008 at 12:17 PM
tnx sa replies....
mga how much kaya yung infinity primus? ok din ba yung jbl (forgot the model pero floor standing na din)? sapat na ba yung power ng avr 145 sa infinity? na audition ko na kasi yung jbl so far ok naman, pero baka may mas ok pa na iba tsaka mas cheaper hehe,  tnx tnx


the hk 145 would be enough to drive the infinity primus. they're very sensitive and the power rating of the hk is very conservative. it actually has more power than rated. :) i sent you pm regarding price of primus. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lakambini on Oct 22, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Gentlemen'

Got any idea how much will be the local price of the new H/K AVR355?

(http://www.harmanaudio.com/images/products/front_large/AVR355_230.jpg)

Tnx
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jojitv on Oct 22, 2008 at 01:27 PM
the hk 145 would be enough to drive the infinity primus. they're very sensitive and the power rating of the hk is very conservative. it actually has more power than rated. :) i sent you pm regarding price of primus. :)

Sir, pa PM din naman po price ng HK receivers, yung entry - mid level lang ;). Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: XXXyzledge on Oct 22, 2008 at 02:27 PM
Gentlemen'

Got any idea how much will be the local price of the new H/K AVR355?

(http://www.harmanaudio.com/images/products/front_large/AVR355_230.jpg)

Tnx

wow!
bago yan ah!

nice!  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: XXXyzledge on Oct 22, 2008 at 02:44 PM
sana mabasa ng HK dealer to....

im very interested in an AVR 255..............  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Oct 23, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Sir, pa PM din naman po price ng HK receivers, yung entry - mid level lang ;). Thanks.

sent you pm. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Oct 23, 2008 at 12:33 AM
sana mabasa ng HK dealer to....

im very interested in an AVR 255..............  ;D ;D ;D

no word from the distributor when they'll be bringing in the x55 models. maybe early next year pa. :( i'll update you guy once i have some more info. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: XXXyzledge on Oct 24, 2008 at 09:31 AM
no word from the distributor when they'll be bringing in the x55 models. maybe early next year pa. :( i'll update you guy once i have some more info. :)

thanks for the reply sir!  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: r_Y_@_n on Oct 25, 2008 at 05:56 AM
Gentlemen'

Got any idea how much will be the local price of the new H/K AVR355?

(http://www.harmanaudio.com/images/products/front_large/AVR355_230.jpg)

Tnx


another great looking HK receiver again!  :D 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Nov 01, 2008 at 10:31 PM
hk avr 245 promo!!! having a sale of the hk avr 245. interested parties can text me at 0917-3273083. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: yakisoba on Nov 02, 2008 at 12:49 AM
how much for the HK 245 pre? pa PM naman ty
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Nov 02, 2008 at 09:39 AM
how much for the HK 245 pre? pa PM naman ty

pm sent. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: BINGENGOT on Nov 03, 2008 at 11:22 AM
sir pa pm din price nun promo.thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jpodvd on Nov 03, 2008 at 11:58 AM
sir, pm me.

thanks,
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Nov 03, 2008 at 06:18 PM
pm sent to jpodvd and bingengot. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rasoplast on Nov 06, 2008 at 05:08 PM
sir avshop, pa-pm din HK AVR 254. thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jpodvd on Nov 06, 2008 at 05:13 PM
i heard a new firmware update of AVR255.. sir pa PM naman ng price.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Nov 06, 2008 at 05:34 PM
no prices yet for the the hk 255.  the distributor still planning to bring in the x55 series maybe around mid next year.  for sure mas mahal yan.  i would expect prices to be around 35k-36k for the hk 255. the 254 and 255 are the same lang. the 254 is the us version. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cirick on Nov 10, 2008 at 02:12 PM
pa pm naman ng price. both for 145 and 245. thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Nov 10, 2008 at 05:34 PM
pa pm naman ng price. both for 145 and 245. thanks

pm sent. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: simonzaide on Nov 20, 2008 at 12:11 AM
guys i recently hooked up my hk 140 and im having problems with the volume

i have set my fronts and center to large and small for my sorrounds.... increased my center to +5 and all other speakers to +2 and i still have to crank the volume all the way to -16 before the audio dialgues to becomes understandable.. the max volume btw is +7

can you share your audio settings maybe i just need to tweak something

thanks in advance
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Nov 20, 2008 at 01:50 AM
guys i recently hooked up my hk 140 and im having problems with the volume

i have set my fronts and center to large and small for my sorrounds.... increased my center to +5 and all other speakers to +2 and i still have to crank the volume all the way to -16 before the audio dialgues to becomes understandable.. the max volume btw is +7

can you share your audio settings maybe i just need to tweak something

thanks in advance

that would be normal since the hk 140 is only 40 watts. i had a denon 1508 that i had to play at -12 for my preferred listening level.  what are your speakers? it would also depend on the sensitivity of your speakers.  at any rate, as long as there is no clipping or distortion ok pa yan.  once there is distortion that means hindi na kaya ng amp. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: simonzaide on Nov 20, 2008 at 11:49 AM
im using a set of wharfedale 6ohms... do i need to set all the speakers to large and move the lfe to the sub to make the audio louder ?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Nov 20, 2008 at 12:26 PM
im using a set of wharfedale 6ohms... do i need to set all the speakers to large and move the lfe to the sub to make the audio louder ?

only set your speakers to large if you're speakers have the range to carry the low frequencies. if not, better stick to small setting. if you need the dialogue to be louder, you can try increasing the levels of the center and fronts.  i think it you can adjust the levels all the way to 10. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gillian_r on Nov 24, 2008 at 11:33 PM
sir avshop, pa-ping din ng price for primus P252...if these are are available.  thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Nov 25, 2008 at 01:06 AM
sir avshop, pa-ping din ng price for primus P252...if these are are available.  thanks!

no primus 252 available here.  only the 362. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 02, 2008 at 12:43 PM
having a special promo on the hk 245. pm if interested! only 10 units available. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gisan925 on Dec 07, 2008 at 02:18 PM
having a special promo on the hk 245. pm if interested! only 10 units available. :)

kindly pm best price of the hk245 in cah mode. tnx!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 07, 2008 at 04:57 PM
kindly pm best price of the hk245 in cah mode. tnx!

pm sent :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: robdjhojd on Dec 10, 2008 at 07:47 PM
Sir pa pm din ng price. Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 10, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Sir pa pm din ng price. Thanks

pm sent :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 10, 2008 at 11:53 PM
will be having a demo unit of the hk 255 soon. pm me if interested to check it out. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: vhiinn on Dec 16, 2008 at 02:08 AM
sir avshop, sent you a pm and texted you. im interested with the HK245. thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 16, 2008 at 09:29 AM
sir avshop, sent you a pm and texted you. im interested with the HK245. thanks.

see you in the showroom later. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: vhiinn on Dec 17, 2008 at 11:12 PM
thanks sa hk245 and sa wharfs, will just test you if ever I encounter problems, thank again
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 18, 2008 at 10:02 AM
thanks sa hk245 and sa wharfs, will just test you if ever I encounter problems, thank again

you're welcome! enjoy! last few units of the hk 245. get one now! super discounted price. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Dec 23, 2008 at 02:38 AM
I have a problem with my AVR 5500, it's not saving the settings anymore, it will go back to factory settings when turn off and turn on again. do you guys have any idea what the problem and where can i get it fixed?

Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 23, 2008 at 08:52 AM
I have a problem with my AVR 5500, it's not saving the settings anymore, it will go back to factory settings when turn off and turn on again. do you guys have any idea what the problem and where can i get it fixed?

Thanks

the small battery inside might be out of juice and needs to be replaced. you can bring it to beyond innovations in libis. they're the distributor of hk here. where did you buy your avr 5500? :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Dec 23, 2008 at 02:44 PM
the small battery inside might be out of juice and needs to be replaced. you can bring it to beyond innovations in libis. they're the distributor of hk here. where did you buy your avr 5500? :)

Bought it at Spectra in Makati during it's first release, cant remember when. Sir do you have a contact person i can call?

Thanks for the reply sir.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 26, 2008 at 04:43 PM
i'll look for the number of the service center. or if you want you can drop it off at my showroom in quezon city and i can have them pick it up there. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 28, 2008 at 09:54 AM
the hk avr 255 and 355 are now available. :) the distributor guarantees that's it's bug free. no firmware issues. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 28, 2008 at 02:48 PM
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/IMG_6415-1.jpg)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/IMG_6417.jpg)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/IMG_6418.jpg)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 29, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Bought it at Spectra in Makati during it's first release, cant remember when. Sir do you have a contact person i can call?

Thanks for the reply sir.

hi courage. here's the number of the service center. 634-7315 loc 119-120 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 30, 2008 at 11:54 AM
here's a pic of the gui of the hk 255

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/hkgui.jpg)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Dec 30, 2008 at 05:48 PM
hi courage. here's the number of the service center. 634-7315 loc 119-120 :)

Thanks sir for your help  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 31, 2008 at 12:30 PM
special price for the hk avr 245 if packaged with the polk audio tsi series. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Maki02 on Jan 02, 2009 at 03:58 AM
Guys, a little help naman. I have a h/k avr-635. 110 volts sha. The issue is, each time I turn it on, it freezes and I cant do nothing, I have to toggle the main power switch for it to work. do you know any reliable service centers here in the metro? How much do you think they will charge me (labor and Parts). Thanks everone! Happy New Year!!!

Maki
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jan 02, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Guys, a little help naman. I have a h/k avr-635. 110 volts sha. The issue is, each time I turn it on, it freezes and I cant do nothing, I have to toggle the main power switch for it to work. do you know any reliable service centers here in the metro? How much do you think they will charge me (labor and Parts). Thanks everone! Happy New Year!!!

Maki

you can call the distributor, beyond innovations. the number of the service center. 634-7315 loc 119-120. i'm sure they can fix it but not sure how much they'll charge. they usually charge higher for units that didn't come from them :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead000 on Jan 05, 2009 at 12:15 AM
i'll vouch for beyond innovations. they repaired my HK-5550 and still doing fine right now. as with Courage above, it was suffering from electronic amnesia where it won't remember the settings if powered down. i put up with it for a while, but then it went kaput due to a voltage surge so no choice but to bring it in for service. for the parts and labor for both problems i was charged P4k++. i guess it was a reasonable price for the work done.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: blued888 on Jan 12, 2009 at 09:09 PM
Do HK receivers normally run warmer than other brands? I have an HK AVR-144 which seems to run warmer than my Yamaha RX-V663.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jan 12, 2009 at 09:48 PM
Do HK receivers normally run warmer than other brands? I have an HK AVR-144 which seems to run warmer than my Yamaha RX-V663.

yup. it's because of the high current design. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bayen on Jan 16, 2009 at 07:34 PM
Hi Guys,

Which do you think is better in terms of performance HK AVR 245 or the Yamaha RX V463? i will be using the AVR to power up the following:

Wharfedale Series 9 Speakers
Fronts:  9.1
Center: 9CS
Surround: 9DFS
Sub: SW150

Usage:
50% - Music
50% - Movies

konti lang kase difference sa price range e, the HK AVR 245 is PHP 23,500 while the Yamaha RX V463 is PHP22,000

in terms of specs mas mataas ung power rating ng yamaha however i've read somewhere here na malakas daw talaga ang power rating ng HK, per channel kasi nung sa HK is just 50W X 7 sya pero ung Yamaha 105W x 5.

(http://www.harmankardon.com/images/product_small/AVR245.jpg) PHP 23,500
http://www.harmankardon.com/specifications.aspx?Region=USA&Country=US&Language=ENG&cat=REC&ser=&prod=AVR%20245/230&sType=

VS

(http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Images/YEC/AV_Receivers/Main/M_rxv463.jpg) PHP 22,000
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=567576

Which do you think is a better buy among the two?

Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: blued888 on Jan 16, 2009 at 07:53 PM
Do you mean HK 254 or HK 245?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bayen on Jan 16, 2009 at 08:44 PM
Do you mean HK 254 or HK 245?

this one.

http://www.harmankardon.com/product_detail.aspx?cat=REC&sType=C&prod=AVR+254

thanks. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bayen on Jan 16, 2009 at 08:56 PM
Do you mean HK 254 or HK 245?

im getting confused with the names, in their website you wont find the AVR 245 but you will find the HK AVR 254. is this some naming convention which depends per country?

Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: blued888 on Jan 16, 2009 at 09:02 PM
im getting confused with the names, in their website you wont find the AVR 245 but you will find the HK AVR 254. is this some naming convention which depends per country?

Thanks.

245 is available here, previous generation. Current generation is the 255.

The is available in the US and decodes lossless audio.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bayen on Jan 16, 2009 at 09:09 PM
245 is available here, previous generation. Current generation is the 255.

The is available in the US and decodes lossless audio.

a ok. so that one being sold here in the philippines is the hk avr 245 and not the AVR 254.

thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: blued888 on Jan 16, 2009 at 09:14 PM
a ok. so that one being sold here in the philippines is the hk avr 245 and not the AVR 254.

thanks.

The 255 is now available here also, but of course more expensive. I think the main difference between the 245 and the 255 is the latter's ability to decode lossless audio formats (and heftier price tag).
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jan 16, 2009 at 10:30 PM
The 255 is now available here also, but of course more expensive. I think the main difference between the 245 and the 255 is the latter's ability to decode lossless audio formats (and heftier price tag).

yup. that's correct. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bogsle on Jan 17, 2009 at 01:54 AM
Hi Guys,

Which do you think is better in terms of performance HK AVR 245 or the Yamaha RX V463? i will be using the AVR to power up the following:

Wharfedale Series 9 Speakers
Fronts:  9.1
Center: 9CS
Surround: 9DFS
Sub: SW150

Usage:
50% - Music
50% - Movies

konti lang kase difference sa price range e, the HK AVR 245 is PHP 23,500 while the Yamaha RX V463 is PHP22,000

in terms of specs mas mataas ung power rating ng yamaha however i've read somewhere here na malakas daw talaga ang power rating ng HK, per channel kasi nung sa HK is just 50W X 7 sya pero ung Yamaha 105W x 5.

(http://www.harmankardon.com/images/product_small/AVR245.jpg) PHP 23,500
http://www.harmankardon.com/specifications.aspx?Region=USA&Country=US&Language=ENG&cat=REC&ser=&prod=AVR%20245/230&sType=

VS

(http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Images/YEC/AV_Receivers/Main/M_rxv463.jpg) PHP 22,000
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=567576

Which do you think is a better buy among the two?

Thanks.

Ah madali yang tanong na yan.

I would recommend the HK 245.

hehehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: blued888 on Jan 17, 2009 at 02:09 AM
Ah madali yang tanong na yan.

I would recommend the HK 245.

hehehehe

@bayen

You should make a separate thread regarding your receiver decision, syempre dito medyo may bias to HK yung mga recommendations since this is the HK thread. (No offense to anybody, I myself own a HK AVR-144) ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jojitv on Jan 17, 2009 at 04:57 AM
I would recommend the HK for 50/50 usage. I find the lower Yamaha models a little bright for music. But that's me ;D

@bayen

You should make a separate thread regarding your receiver decision, syempre dito medyo may bias to HK yung mga recommendations since this is the HK thread. (No offense to anybody, I myself own a HK AVR-144) ;D

I agree that a separate thread would yield more balanced recommendations on what's the better receiver.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: red_one on Jan 21, 2009 at 11:05 AM
what's the cheapest HK receiver with HMDI ports available? how much kaya?  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ramsey on Jan 21, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Just wanna share my experience with my HK340. I was watching War Of The Worlds oneday. Volume is set at -20.  Then when the scene came where the pavement starts to crack and rumbling begins, it was at the beginning of the movie. Yung part na nag uuzi sila sa crack na nagawa ng lightning. All of a sudden, the audio dissappeared then nag standby mode yung receiver. Nakalagay sa screen nya "protected"  then nagshut down na I did it twice it shut down twice. Is this normal? O pinoprotektahan lang ng receiver yung sarili nya kasi it's too loud and she can't carry the load? Wala nga pala ako sub. FRONT L&R= large CENTER= small REAR L&R=small Sub=none.  I'm using bookshelf for fronts with 91 sensitivity. Masisira kaya receiver pag madalas mangyari sa kanya ang ganon?
Can you share your opinions please.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: blued888 on Jan 21, 2009 at 11:59 AM
All of a sudden, the audio dissappeared then nag standby mode yung receiver. Nakalagay sa screen nya "protected"  then nagshut down na I did it twice it shut down twice. Is this normal? O pinoprotektahan lang ng receiver yung sarili nya kasi it's too loud and she can't carry the load? Wala nga pala ako sub. FRONT L&R= large CENTER= small REAR L&R=small Sub=none.  I'm using bookshelf for fronts with 91 sensitivity. Masisira kaya receiver pag madalas mangyari sa kanya ang ganon?

Can you share your opinions please.

You're probably driving it into the clipping regions. And yes, it's just protecting itself. Pansinin mo rin kung nagshushut-off, kung sobrang init yung unit mo. If yes, then totally nahihirapan nga yung amplifier.

Masyadong mababa ang inaabot nun scene na yun, kahit subwoofer papawisan dun.

What bookshelf speakers are you using? It's possible that the impedance of your speakers dips down a lot. And pag large, talagang mas straining on the receiver compared to small. Yung mga bass-intense frequencies ang taxing sa mga amplifiers/receivers usually.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: blued888 on Jan 21, 2009 at 12:01 PM
what's the cheapest HK receiver with HMDI ports available? how much kaya?  :)

HK AVR-245, I think avshop is selling his remaining stocks for less than 25k. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ramsey on Jan 21, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Tnx for the reply sir blued. Di ko na inulit buhat no'n. I limit  my volume to -25 to -30. Mahirap na.  Gamit ko nga po pala bookshelf Paradigm for the 3 fronts.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: blued888 on Jan 21, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Tnx for the reply sir blued. Di ko na inulit buhat no'n. I limit  my volume to -25 to -30. Mahirap na.  Gamit ko nga po pala bookshelf Paradigm for the 3 fronts.

What exact models? Atoms? Mini Monitors? Titans?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ramsey on Jan 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM
pm'd you. Ot na ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jan 21, 2009 at 06:36 PM
what's the cheapest HK receiver with HMDI ports available? how much kaya?  :)

the hk 255 is the cheapest hk receiver that can do audio video thru the hdmi. it also supports the new hd audio formats. the hk 245 can only do video thru hdmi cable. no audio. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jan 21, 2009 at 06:39 PM
Just wanna share my experience with my HK340. I was watching War Of The Worlds oneday. Volume is set at -20.  Then when the scene came where the pavement starts to crack and rumbling begins, it was at the beginning of the movie. Yung part na nag uuzi sila sa crack na nagawa ng lightning. All of a sudden, the audio dissappeared then nag standby mode yung receiver. Nakalagay sa screen nya "protected"  then nagshut down na I did it twice it shut down twice. Is this normal? O pinoprotektahan lang ng receiver yung sarili nya kasi it's too loud and she can't carry the load? Wala nga pala ako sub. FRONT L&R= large CENTER= small REAR L&R=small Sub=none.  I'm using bookshelf for fronts with 91 sensitivity. Masisira kaya receiver pag madalas mangyari sa kanya ang ganon?
Can you share your opinions please.

most likely it's protecting itself but with the volume set at -20 it should be more than ok. i would have it checked just to be sure. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: red_one on Jan 22, 2009 at 10:31 AM
the hk 255 is the cheapest hk receiver that can do audio video thru the hdmi. it also supports the new hd audio formats. the hk 245 can only do video thru hdmi cable. no audio. :)

sir, pa-PM ng prices. thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead000 on Jan 22, 2009 at 10:57 AM
sir avshop, would you know the difference between the 254/354 series saka sa 255/355 series? both are capable of hdmi din kasi, although it seems the xx4 series has the higher wattage.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dencio105 on Jan 22, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Just wanna share my experience with my HK340. I was watching War Of The Worlds oneday. Volume is set at -20.  Then when the scene came where the pavement starts to crack and rumbling begins, it was at the beginning of the movie. Yung part na nag uuzi sila sa crack na nagawa ng lightning. All of a sudden, the audio dissappeared then nag standby mode yung receiver. Nakalagay sa screen nya "protected"  then nagshut down na I did it twice it shut down twice. Is this normal? O pinoprotektahan lang ng receiver yung sarili nya kasi it's too loud and she can't carry the load? Wala nga pala ako sub. FRONT L&R= large CENTER= small REAR L&R=small Sub=none.  I'm using bookshelf for fronts with 91 sensitivity. Masisira kaya receiver pag madalas mangyari sa kanya ang ganon?
Can you share your opinions please.

Same thing happened to me while watching the latest version of Rambo dun sa explosion scene when the missionaries were attacked. I just calibrated the channel settings of my HK turned out I had previously set the front and center settings to +8 while watching a movie with poor audio quality. I just used the automatic calibration feature and then made some minor tweaks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jan 22, 2009 at 11:56 AM
sir avshop, would you know the difference between the 254/354 series saka sa 255/355 series? both are capable of hdmi din kasi, although it seems the xx4 series has the higher wattage.

the 254/354 is the series released in the us. it's supposedly the same except for the wattage.  though the difference in watts won't be that big. to get double the loudness of a 65 watt amp you'd have to have a 650 watt amp. :) are you interested in getting one? :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jan 22, 2009 at 01:17 PM
AVR 255
7 x 50W 7.1-Channel A/V receiver With HDMI™ 1.3a Repeater, Audio/Video Processing and Upscaling to 1080p

The AVR 255 is the most affordable Harman Kardon® receiver to feature both Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding on the audio side, and Faroudja DCDi Cinema® video processing to 1080p on the video side. But there's plenty more to recommend the AVR 255, including three HDMI™ inputs, connections for external amplifiers, EzSet/EQ™ technology to fine-tune your system to the acoustics of your room, and an RS-232 port for future firmware upgrades. Perhaps the highest recommendation of all? As do all Harman Kardon A/V receivers, the AVR 255 features a high-current, ultrawide-bandwidth design for maximum fidelity.

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/AVR255_230.jpg)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dencio105 on Jan 22, 2009 at 05:43 PM
AVR 255
7 x 50W 7.1-Channel A/V receiver With HDMI™ 1.3a Repeater, Audio/Video Processing and Upscaling to 1080p

The AVR 255 is the most affordable Harman Kardon® receiver to feature both Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding on the audio side, and Faroudja DCDi Cinema® video processing to 1080p on the video side. But there's plenty more to recommend the AVR 255, including three HDMI™ inputs, connections for external amplifiers, EzSet/EQ™ technology to fine-tune your system to the acoustics of your room, and an RS-232 port for future firmware upgrades. Perhaps the highest recommendation of all? As do all Harman Kardon A/V receivers, the AVR 255 features a high-current, ultrawide-bandwidth design for maximum fidelity.

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/AVR255_230.jpg)

How much kaya ito?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: simonzaide on Jan 22, 2009 at 05:52 PM
How much kaya ito?

i think AV shop is selling this here 34k if im not mistaken
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jan 22, 2009 at 07:14 PM
i think AV shop is selling this here 34k if im not mistaken

yup. 34k. can sell it cheaper if packaged with some speakers. i sell jbl, infinity, polk, and wharfedales. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Jan 24, 2009 at 02:11 PM
question lang po...ano pong crossover settings ang nilalagay nyo sa harman kardon receivers nyo?

and sa audio setup ng harman kardon, anong settings sa tone ang nilalagay nyo, "in" or "out"??

sa speaker size settings naman po dun sa "BASS MGR" , ano pong nilalagay nyo, "global" or "independent"??

tapos po sa speaker x-over settings din ulit, ano pong settings ang nilalagay nyo sa LFE? "left and right" po ba??

un lang po...tulong naman po mga sirs..salamat po.. :)


Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead000 on Jan 25, 2009 at 01:56 AM
personal preference:

normally, i have my fronts and center (diamond 9.5/9.cs) set to Large and SUB=LFE only. cut-off then is at 80hz. rear surrounds are set to Small and crossover is at 100hz. if the material is sorely lacking in low frequency punch, i use the "L/R+LFE" setting. i usually use global for setting things up quickly.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Jan 25, 2009 at 04:19 AM
sir gearhead, yung sinasabi nyo po bang settings na " cut-off then is at 80hz " ay sa receiver po ba toh or sa  mismong sa subwoofer na?

tapos kung yung surround nyo po ay sine-set nyo sa 100hz ano naman po sa center and fronts?

salamat po sa reply

:)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead000 on Jan 25, 2009 at 09:17 AM
it's the cut-off for the L/R as set sa receiver. if you have say, an AVIA DVD, you can do a frequency sweep of your system to check on how low can your speakers go. flexible naman ang choices natin as we have 40, 60, 80, 100, 120, at 200Hz to choose from. then you can set it up differently for each of your Fr/C/R speakers. yung SUB naka-direct in (LFE input) lang para iwas sa double cross-over. try mo muna single input, usually sa Left channel. if that proves too soft you can try connecting both using a y-splitter.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jan 27, 2009 at 10:35 AM
hk avr 245 sale!!! last 4 units available. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Feb 06, 2009 at 11:43 PM
selling my hk avr 245 display unit for only 19k. it's practically brand new. i still offer 1 year warranty. :) interested parties can pm me or call me at 232-2767. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ivannn on Feb 07, 2009 at 12:49 AM
@ avshop

do you sell harman kardon stereo receivers? pm me for cash and cc sir. thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Feb 07, 2009 at 10:51 AM
@ avshop

do you sell harman kardon stereo receivers? pm me for cash and cc sir. thanks.

yup. sent you pm :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: XanderCage on Feb 11, 2009 at 08:05 AM
anyone know where i can get an h/k avr 145? and how much it costs? thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Feb 11, 2009 at 09:54 AM
anyone know where i can get an h/k avr 145? and how much it costs? thanks!

they might still have in the jbl store in mega mall. probable around 19-20k. you might want save a bit and get the latest hk 155 na lang. i can order the 155 for you. i also have the hk 255 and 355 models. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: WhoKilledMrP on Feb 11, 2009 at 12:25 PM
I'm looking around for AV Receivers that can work with my Hoffman 5.1 speaker system. I'm considering an HK AVR but find the AVR 255 a bit expensive.

Is video up/cross conversion or scaling to 1080p a crucial function or will be one in the near future?
Is it still advisable to get an AVR only capable of 5.1 output?

@avshop

Would you mind sending me the price list of your AVRs (HK as well as others you might have)? Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Feb 11, 2009 at 11:57 PM
I'm looking around for AV Receivers that can work with my Hoffman 5.1 speaker system. I'm considering an HK AVR but find the AVR 255 a bit expensive.

Is video up/cross conversion or scaling to 1080p a crucial function or will be one in the near future?
Is it still advisable to get an AVR only capable of 5.1 output?

@avshop

Would you mind sending me the price list of your AVRs (HK as well as others you might have)? Thanks.

the upscaling feature is useful if you plan to play dvd's. but if you'll be playing hd content like blu-ray discs then you won't really need the upscaler.  as for 5.1 or 7.1, i would just get a 7.1 receiver.  if you only use 5.1 you can still use the other 2 outputs in a zone 2 configuration. :) sent you pm. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: blued888 on Feb 17, 2009 at 06:55 PM
Contemplating on selling my Harman Kardon AVR-144 (110v) (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=92729.0). Baka meron may gusto ng basic HK dyan. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dhoZe on Feb 23, 2009 at 02:32 PM
Guys I need your expert advice, litong lito na ako  ??? which do your prefer Yamaha 663 or HK 255, what are the advantage and disadvatage over the other. . . almost magkalapit lng kc ang price. . . I know HK thread to, pero I did post din sa 663 thread to get their own advice. . . For comparison lang. . .
Si Sir avshop told me to choose HK255, pero may mga nagbubulong pa dn ng 663  ??? sir pls enlighten me, pm nlng para di magalit mga taga Yammi  ;D
Salamat ng Marami
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: disturbed on Feb 23, 2009 at 07:00 PM
naku suggest ko sau dhoze audition mo sa speakers na gagamitin mo :D

magkalapit ba ang price ng yammy at hk?hmmnn ;D

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dhoZe on Feb 23, 2009 at 07:22 PM
 ;D balak kong speaker set is wharfedale 9. . . . price ata nung 663 ay 31+ at ung HK255 ay 33+ ata discounted na pareho. . . tama ba ung price?  ???
May alam po ba kaung store na pwedeng pagauditionan na wharfedale 9 at 663 ang gamit na avr? MM area po. . .  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mikevg08 on Feb 24, 2009 at 01:57 AM
;D balak kong speaker set is wharfedale 9. . . . price ata nung 663 ay 31+ at ung HK255 ay 33+ ata discounted na pareho. . . tama ba ung price?  ???
May alam po ba kaung store na pwedeng pagauditionan na wharfedale 9 at 663 ang gamit na avr? MM area po. . .  ;D

sir dhoZe kay sir TOY 01 24k lang yung 663 from US :D :D :D

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=91458.0
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dhoZe on Feb 25, 2009 at 10:54 AM
@ Sir mikevg08
Kaso 100V ata pag galing US eh. . . ok lang ba un?  ???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: blued888 on Feb 25, 2009 at 11:18 AM
@ Sir mikevg08
Kaso 100V ata pag galing US eh. . . ok lang ba un?  ???

US appliances are 110v, having a good and reliable regulator is all you need. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Mar 15, 2009 at 12:49 AM
selling the hk 355 for only 38k. :) pm me if interested. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dirk2007 on Mar 15, 2009 at 08:39 PM
anybody using this amp. HK 3390.... totoo bang madaling mag init ito?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nogie on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:52 PM
anybody using this amp. HK 3390.... totoo bang madaling mag init ito?

Im using HK 3390 for my analog audio listening pleasure. In my experience, kahit iwanan mo pa ng isang linggong walang patayan ang HK 3390 hindi ito nag-iinit. ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dirk2007 on Mar 16, 2009 at 03:53 AM
tanx alot bro...and now im  convinced
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Mar 16, 2009 at 09:05 AM
tanx alot bro...and now im  convinced

i can give you a good deal for the hk 3390 or 3490. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ian05ive on Mar 23, 2009 at 03:04 PM
AVR 255
7 x 50W 7.1-Channel A/V receiver With HDMI™ 1.3a Repeater, Audio/Video Processing and Upscaling to 1080p

The AVR 255 is the most affordable Harman Kardon® receiver to feature both Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding on the audio side, and Faroudja DCDi Cinema® video processing to 1080p on the video side. But there's plenty more to recommend the AVR 255, including three HDMI™ inputs, connections for external amplifiers, EzSet/EQ™ technology to fine-tune your system to the acoustics of your room, and an RS-232 port for future firmware upgrades. Perhaps the highest recommendation of all? As do all Harman Kardon A/V receivers, the AVR 255 features a high-current, ultrawide-bandwidth design for maximum fidelity.

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/AVR255_230.jpg)

SIr,

Pls PM d price. thnx!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Mar 23, 2009 at 08:36 PM
SIr,

Pls PM d price. thnx!

sent you pm :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Mar 26, 2009 at 10:26 AM
any owners of the new hk 255 and hk 355 out there? :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Mar 28, 2009 at 04:19 PM
last unit of the hk 245 for sale. brand new. only 24k. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Invinciible on Mar 28, 2009 at 04:25 PM
any owners of the new hk 255 and hk 355 out there? :)

HK255 owner here   :D  Any other owners?  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Apr 06, 2009 at 12:29 PM
selling brand new hk avr 355 for only 36.5k. comes with a free bridge II ipod dock. :)  only 36.5k. only 2 units available coming after holy week. :)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/harman-kardon-the-bridge-2-dock.jpg)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/AVR355_230.jpg)

interested parties can contact me at 232-2767 or send me a pm :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Apr 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM
units now available. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dexterc on Apr 26, 2009 at 09:31 PM
what entry model ng HK ang pwedeng input ang ipod?

thanks

looking for entry model lang talaga..it will be used lang sa 25 sq meter condo unit


btw..previously owned a yamaha mission and velo combo ht

thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Apr 26, 2009 at 10:29 PM
what entry model ng HK ang pwedeng input ang ipod?

thanks

looking for entry model lang talaga..it will be used lang sa 25 sq meter condo unit


btw..previously owned a yamaha mission and velo combo ht

thanks

to use the ipod you'll need to use the hk ipod dock called the bridge II.  among the new x55 models, the bridge II will only work with the hk 355 models and up. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ASuL on Apr 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM
damn...i was thinking of the same thing..hk355 pala entry level for that...wifey wants something like that...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Apr 27, 2009 at 02:19 PM
d**n...i was thinking of the same thing..hk355 pala entry level for that...wifey wants something like that...

i'm selling the hk 355 for only 36.5k. it comes na with a free bridge II ipod dock. :) brand new. 1 year local warranty. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on May 04, 2009 at 07:44 PM
selling the hk 255 for only 29.5k only 2 units available. :)

SPECIFICATIONS:
General
Type :         7.1-Channel AVR
Stereo Power (FTC) / 20Hz – 20kHz, 8 ohms, both channels driven :         66W x 2
Multichannel Power (FTC) / 20Hz – 20kHz, 8 ohms, all channels driven :         50W x 7
Amplifier Type :         High-current
±35 amps
THD @ Impedance :         0.07% @ 8 Ohms
Bandwidth :         20Hz – 20kHz
Bandwidth @ 1W (-3dB) :         10Hz – 130kHz
Signal-to-Noise Ratio (IHF-A) :         100dB
Power Supply :         Independent front & rear
Surround Modes :         Dolby® Digital Plus
Dolby TrueHD
Dolby Digital EX
Pro Logic® IIx
Dolby Virtual Speaker
DTS-HD
DTS-HD Master Audio
DTS® 5.1
DTS-ES® 6.1 Discrete & Matrix
DTS 96/24™
DTS Neo:6®
Logic 7®
Headphone Modes :         2-Channel, Dolby HP
Multizone Capability :         Audio
Assignable Rear-Channel Amplifiers :         Yes
EzSet :         EzSet/EQ™
S-Video/Component Video Inputs :         4
Analog Audio Inputs :         6
Digital Audio Inputs :         Rear panel 2/2/0
Front panel 1/1/0
Digital Audio Outputs (Coax/Optical) :         Rear panel 1/1
Digital Input Polling :         All video inputs
Direct Audio Inputs :         7.1
HDMI™ :         1.3a With audio/video processing
Inputs: 3
Output: 1
Preamp Outputs :         7.1 Channels
Component Video Inputs (Assignable) :         3 @ 100MHz
Bass Management :         Quad crossover
On-Screen Display :         Yes, on HDMI™ and component
Input Titling :         All inputs
DSP Processor :         Cirrus® CS 49700
Output DACs :         192kHz/24-bit
Video Processing / Conversion :         Faroudja DCDi Cinema®/scaling to 1080p
High-Resolution GUI :         Yes
A/V Sync Delay :         80mS
System Remote :         7-Device preprogrammed
IR In/Out Jacks :         Yes
Discrete Remote On/Off Codes :         Yes
Speaker Terminals :         Color-coded binding posts
Dimensions (H x W x D) :         151mm x 440mm x 351mm
Weight :         14kg
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fred_hika on May 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM
selling the hk 255 for only 29.5k only 2 units available. :)

paki pm naman sir ng best price

thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on May 18, 2009 at 12:03 PM
selling the hk 255 for only 29.5k only 2 units available. :)

paki pm naman sir ng best price

thanks

sent you pm :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nogie on Jun 14, 2009 at 01:26 PM
Harman Kardon AVR's has not found a solution yet to their popping, pcm sound lock etc with the current xx54 models released in the US (not sure if it also afflicting the x55 models). Last time I checked with AVS forum, said issues are yet to be resolved with the firmware update to be released this month (.96.1.1). I have to cancel my purchase in Amazon for the HK 3550 for a bargain price of $590 from orig msrp of $1199 and end up buying the pricey Sony STR5300ES instead. Sayang itong release na model na ito, because IMO, this is the best receiver around....it can DO both... it is very good in movies & AWESOME in Music (have compared it with the music of Denon 3806 & Yammie 1700, this two receivers sounded tinny while HK435 has richer & fuller sounds)...

Its upgrade time!!! I already bid my goodbye to my Denon 3806... ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nogie on Jun 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Sad to say, bugs that afflicting the x54 HK series has not been fixed yet & this does not spare the x55s release outside of US. If I were you, I will defer my purchase for any HK receivers until all problems repoerted had been addressed by future FW updates. Here's the response from their tech team in Northbridge, CA:

Thank you for your inquiry. We are currently working on a new software update that will be released within 2 months.  So any units being sold as of now would still require the new update.

Best Regards,
Vu Le
Internet Support Specialist
Harman Consumer Group
Northridge, CA

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http://www.harmanaudio.com/surveys/HCGCSSurvey.asp?techname=websupport1
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead000 on Jun 15, 2009 at 11:24 AM
I have to cancel my purchase in Amazon for the HK 3550 for a bargain price of $590 from orig msrp of $1199 and end up buying the pricey Sony STR5300ES instead. Sayang itong release na model na ito, because IMO, this is the best receiver around....it can DO both... it is very good in movies & AWESOME in Music (have compared it with the music of Denon 3806 & Yammie 1700, this two receivers sounded tinny while HK435 has richer & fuller sounds)...

Its upgrade time!!! I already bid my goodbye to my Denon 3806... ;D

that's why i'm really having a hard time letting go of my non-hdmi avr-5550. i'm not sure i can get the same wall of sound i get with my h/k, especially partnered with a good sub. what it gives up in an expanded soundstage, it makes it up with depth and weight that not even my previous marantz can match. i really like it especially in concerts. also, i can watch 3 movies in a row in high volume without suffering from ear fatigue.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nogie on Jun 15, 2009 at 12:37 PM
that's why i'm really having a hard time letting go of my non-hdmi avr-5550. i'm not sure i can get the same wall of sound i get with my h/k, especially partnered with a good sub. what it gives up in an expanded soundstage, it makes it up with depth and weight that not even my previous marantz can match. i really like it especially in concerts. also, i can watch 3 movies in a row in high volume without suffering from ear fatigue.

Same experience here bro.This is the reason why until now, I haven't cross the borders of tubes because I'm very satisfied w/ the performance of HK 3390. It plays the  melody of Linda Eder "so sweet" at night that I get my sleep quick.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nels76 on Jun 15, 2009 at 02:16 PM
Buti may nag po post ng mga Nega's to inform potential customers.

Kating kati pa naman na ako mag upgrade ng Receiver.
So wait and see mode muna uli.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead000 on Jun 15, 2009 at 02:51 PM
FWIW, me disclaimer din naman si sir avshop na yung mga local units had been upgraded na sa bugless (not bug free  ;D ) f/w. so if you are seriously planning to get one, he's accommodating enough naman that you can test the unit for those particular issues you worry about.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bogsle on Jun 17, 2009 at 09:18 PM
Harman Kardon AVR's has not found a solution yet to their popping, pcm sound lock etc with the current xx54 models released in the US (not sure if it also afflicting the x55 models). Last time I checked with AVS forum, said issues are yet to be resolved with the firmware update to be released this month (.96.1.1). I have to cancel my purchase in Amazon for the HK 3550 for a bargain price of $590 from orig msrp of $1199 and end up buying the pricey Sony STR5300ES instead. Sayang itong release na model na ito, because IMO, this is the best receiver around....it can DO both... it is very good in movies & AWESOME in Music (have compared it with the music of Denon 3806 & Yammie 1700, this two receivers sounded tinny while HK435 has richer & fuller sounds)...

Its upgrade time!!! I already bid my goodbye to my Denon 3806... ;D

Hi there.

Are you referring to this release: Software release Mar 09; Version 02-03-2009 01 / AFW v0.96.1.1

I think it is available already as per this link: http://www.harmankardon.com/product_support/ProductUpgrades.aspx?prod=AVR%20355/230&prodname=AVR%20355&Country=GB&Language=ENG&Region=EUROPE&ky=DEAE1532490036C166C7BCDF64609DCD (http://www.harmankardon.com/product_support/ProductUpgrades.aspx?prod=AVR%20355/230&prodname=AVR%20355&Country=GB&Language=ENG&Region=EUROPE&ky=DEAE1532490036C166C7BCDF64609DCD)

 ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bogsle on Jun 17, 2009 at 09:26 PM
Sad to say, bugs that afflicting the x54 HK series has not been fixed yet & this does not spare the x55s release outside of US. If I were you, I will defer my purchase for any HK receivers until all problems repoerted had been addressed by future FW updates. Here's the response from their tech team in Northbridge, CA:

Thank you for your inquiry. We are currently working on a new software update that will be released within 2 months.  So any units being sold as of now would still require the new update.

Best Regards,
Vu Le
Internet Support Specialist
Harman Consumer Group
Northridge, CA

PS: If replying to this email, please include all previous correspondence. It is the only way I can keep up with your situation. Thank you!


If possible, could you please take a quick survey for us? Please click on the link below to answer a few quick questions. Thank you very much for your time!

http://www.harmanaudio.com/surveys/HCGCSSurvey.asp?techname=websupport1

This response comes from the US side. I read somewhere that updates are not yet availalbe for AVR355/255 110/120v versions.

However for countries outside the US that use the 230v version the software/firmware update is quite available.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Bogsle on Jun 17, 2009 at 09:45 PM
Buti may nag po post ng mga Nega's to inform potential customers.

Kating kati pa naman na ako mag upgrade ng Receiver.
So wait and see mode muna uli.


It seems most of the bugs or issues are with connectivity to other devices like game consoles or changing source formats. But for other colleagues who use their receivers mainly with one source, not gaming but for simply watching moves there seems to be no complaints.

With the connectivity issues aside, over all my impression of the audio performance of the AVR 355 is still up to the standards of HK, which are great mids, punchy, does not compress at high volumes, never runs out of steam when driven hard, never ear piercing during loud movie passages, enveloping sound, detailed, sweet and full body when playing music and the design seems to be indistructible. Oh, and another thing, they have the sleekest and coolest design. Super pogi ;D

Actually there is one thing I admire most about HK home theater receivers, which is their great audio performance. For an HT reciever, my audio CDs sound really, really good through it. ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jun 18, 2009 at 06:04 PM
come check out the hk 255 and hk 355.  at the moment i haven't experienced any bugs with my hk 355. if ever there are bugs, there's a local distributor who'll take care of the firmware upgrades. :) come over to the shop to audition them. you can match them with jbl, infinity, polk audio and mirage. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jun 20, 2009 at 12:41 AM
come over to the shop and check out the hk 255 and hk 355 in action. we are now open from 11am to 8pm, wednesday to sunday. for inquiries you can call 216-1948. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sultan72 on Jul 11, 2009 at 07:24 PM
come over to the shop and check out the hk 255 and hk 355 in action. we are now open from 11am to 8pm, wednesday to sunday. for inquiries you can call 216-1948. :)

sir how much hk 255 and 355
kindly pm the price thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jul 12, 2009 at 01:15 AM
sir how much hk 255 and 355
kindly pm the price thanks

sent you pm :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: entrylevel on Jul 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Im a happy owner of the HK 255. Its great in both HT & Audio applications. Aftersales service of sir Marc (avshop) is excellent! ang bilis! Two thumbs up for you sir!  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sultan72 on Jul 12, 2009 at 02:27 PM
sir bundled din ba sa 355 un ipod dock?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jul 12, 2009 at 05:48 PM
sir bundled din ba sa 355 un ipod dock?

nope. regular price is 3.6k for the bridge II ipod dock.  get it for only 2.5k if bought with the hk 355. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jul 12, 2009 at 05:49 PM
Im a happy owner of the HK 255. Its great in both HT & Audio applications. Aftersales service of sir Marc (avshop) is excellent! ang bilis! Two thumbs up for you sir!  :)

thanks. enjoy your hk 255. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mYKi on Jul 12, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Yup. I bought a 355 from Mark and I can simply say that he has commendable customer service. Highly recommended!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dips15 on Aug 03, 2009 at 07:39 AM
Anybody here using HKs for a 4 ohm load?  Read in some forums that all HK AVRs are 4 ohm stable. 

Also, I understand that HKs have a lower power rating but will not necessarily be less powerful than 100w of say Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha.

Will the 255 or 355 have difficulty driving a 4 ohm speaker with a sensitivity of 86db?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Aug 04, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Anybody here using HKs for a 4 ohm load?  Read in some forums that all HK AVRs are 4 ohm stable. 

Also, I understand that HKs have a lower power rating but will not necessarily be less powerful than 100w of say Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha.

Will the 255 or 355 have difficulty driving a 4 ohm speaker with a sensitivity of 86db?

it's 4 ohm capable. sent you sms. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dips15 on Aug 04, 2009 at 11:22 AM
it's 4 ohm capable. sent you sms. :)

Yup got it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Invinciible on Aug 04, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Anybody here using HKs for a 4 ohm load?  Read in some forums that all HK AVRs are 4 ohm stable. 

Also, I understand that HKs have a lower power rating but will not necessarily be less powerful than 100w of say Denon, Onkyo or Yamaha.

Will the 255 or 355 have difficulty driving a 4 ohm speaker with a sensitivity of 86db?

i have an hk255, and it's 50wpc rating for 7 channels is underrated... it is able to power speakers more easily than some 85-90 wpc rated avrs... i won't mention brands, but all i can say is that i have been able to compare and can confirm this to be a fact...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dips15 on Aug 05, 2009 at 11:24 PM
it's 4 ohm capable. sent you sms. :)

Does the 355 still come with the ipod dock?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Aug 05, 2009 at 11:51 PM
Does the 355 still come with the ipod dock?

add 2.5k for the bridge II ipod dock. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shy_guy on Aug 06, 2009 at 03:27 PM
sent you pm :)

Sir kindly pa-pm din po ng price ..  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Aug 06, 2009 at 05:24 PM
Sir kindly pa-pm din po ng price ..  :)

sent you pm. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Aug 07, 2009 at 05:55 PM
hi marc pa pm pala price din nun hk 355 hindi ko pala napasulat dito sa quotations mo  ;) thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Aug 08, 2009 at 10:25 AM
hi marc pa pm pala price din nun hk 355 hindi ko pala napasulat dito sa quotations mo  ;) thanks!

sent you pm :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Aug 12, 2009 at 06:10 PM
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Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dips15 on Sep 04, 2009 at 02:54 PM
Just wondering if anybody has service complaints about H/K.  I heard from one store that they stopped pushing the brand (although they can still source it) because there have been times wherein the service of H/K just tells them that the unit is irreparable and to just get a new unit. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Sep 06, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Just wondering if anybody has service complaints about H/K.  I heard from one store that they stopped pushing the brand (although they can still source it) because there have been times wherein the service of H/K just tells them that the unit is irreparable and to just get a new unit. 

get your hk units from me. if you need to have any hk unit serviced you can send it through my shop so you can get better service from them. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: titopepe on Sep 14, 2009 at 12:50 AM
mga how much yung 355? and saan pwede audition?
same level ba to with onkyo 606 and denon 1909?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Sep 14, 2009 at 10:07 AM
mga how much yung 355? and saan pwede audition?
same level ba to with onkyo 606 and denon 1909?

higher level.  the hk 255 is the  model at the same level of the onkyo 606 and denon 1909. the hk 355 is 36k. i also have a silver denon 1909 for 27.5k. you can check it out at my shop in quezon city. unit 205 amaremca bldg, 107a kalayaan avenue, diliman, quezon city. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: titopepe on Sep 17, 2009 at 04:06 PM
may preout na ba yung 255 and 355?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: disturbed on Sep 17, 2009 at 04:16 PM
I know that HK255 has preouts..one advantage over denon 1909 if i remember correctly
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Sep 17, 2009 at 04:54 PM
may preout na ba yung 255 and 355?

yup. :) Hk 255 and 355 have pre outs. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ayosbathere on Sep 29, 2009 at 09:59 AM
yup. :) Hk 255 and 355 have pre outs. :)

what do you mean by pre out?

kaya ba nya mag convert from component analog into HD/HMDI 1080p?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iiinas on Sep 29, 2009 at 10:24 AM
what do you mean by pre outs?

Receiver with preouts have the advantage of using external power amps to power their speakers, what this means is in the event you feel your receiver is not giving enough power to your speakers, you have the option of just adding a power amp instead of changing the receiver. Most mid to high end receivers should have preouts.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Sep 29, 2009 at 10:38 AM
what do you mean by pre out?

kaya ba nya mag convert from component analog into HD/HMDI 1080p?

the hk 255 and hk 355 have upscaling capabilities to output analog sources to 1080p via hdmi. :)

pre-outs are used if you want to connect external power amps. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ProtegeManiac on Oct 01, 2009 at 11:22 AM
i have an hk255, and it's 50wpc rating for 7 channels is underrated... it is able to power speakers more easily than some 85-90 wpc rated avrs... i won't mention brands, but all i can say is that i have been able to compare and can confirm this to be a fact...

It's not underrated, most other brands are just overrated. HK uses high current power supplies plus thast signature "sweet" HK sound.

Notice that the AVR amps that handle speakers better are by brands that are also known for their stereo gear. NAD, Rotel, HK, Marantz...the other companies that slid on their 2ch efforts have AVR's that are more sensitive to what speakers are paired with them.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bryan338 on Oct 05, 2009 at 11:46 AM
guys,

help me decide pls, ok ba yung hk 1600, i'll be using primus 362, 152 and 250, hindi kaya mabitin sa power? may nakagamit na ba sa inyo ng hk1600? tia, more on movies pala
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dok on Oct 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM
hi guys,
who knows where i can have an H/K AVR 147 serviced?
pa-PM nalang address and contact person.

its a 110V unit that was plugged into a 220v outlet.

thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Oct 23, 2009 at 02:50 AM
hi guys,
who know where i can have an H/K AVR 147 serviced?
pa-PM nalang address and contact person.

its a 110V unit that was plugged into a 220v outlet.

thanks!

you may contact Beyond Innovation - 6344790
hope this helps. thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dok on Oct 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Quote
you may contact Beyond Innovation - 6344790
hope this helps. thanks

thanks !
would u also know beyond's address?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Oct 23, 2009 at 09:02 PM
thanks !
would u also know beyond's address?

dont know the exact address sir but i know its in Libis, QC.
try to call na lang the number sir.. thanks po.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: uvax on Oct 23, 2009 at 09:28 PM
It's at Topy's Place Building on Calle Industriya. That's the street beside Honda Pasig. You can look it up here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=topy%27s+place+building&sll=14.605429,121.08279&sspn=0.004018,0.006968&ie=UTF8&hq=Topy%27s+Place+Bldg&hnear=Topy%27s+Place+Bldg,+Economia,+Quezon+City,+Philippines&ll=14.606005,121.081454&spn=0.004018,0.006968&t=h&z=18 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=topy%27s+place+building&sll=14.605429,121.08279&sspn=0.004018,0.006968&ie=UTF8&hq=Topy%27s+Place+Bldg&hnear=Topy%27s+Place+Bldg,+Economia,+Quezon+City,+Philippines&ll=14.606005,121.081454&spn=0.004018,0.006968&t=h&z=18)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dok on Oct 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM
thanks so much hebrew and uvax!

anyone else know of any other options/service shop?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead000 on Oct 26, 2009 at 02:30 PM
thanks so much hebrew and uvax!

anyone else know of any other options/service shop?

there may be other options... but for me i am quite satisfied with beyond's service.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Oct 26, 2009 at 10:45 PM
anyone interested in a brand new hk avr 645? :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: number1 on Nov 11, 2009 at 10:08 PM
I'm so out of touch with the latest HK....

I have a HK AVR 5500, is there any pre-amp that I can buy and use with it? Something that can decode Dolby True HD and DTS - HD -MA,for blu-ray ?

Or do I have to buy an all new avr? If so, what is the latest models available here that has the same speaker output spec as the AVR 5500?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Nov 11, 2009 at 10:23 PM
I'm so out of touch with the latest HK....

I have a HK AVR 5500, is there any pre-amp that I can buy and use with it? Something that can decode Dolby True HD and DTS - HD -MA,for blu-ray ?

Or do I have to buy an all new avr? If so, what is the latest models available here that has the same speaker output spec as the AVR 5500?

you can get the new hk 255. it can decode dolby true hd and dts hd and it has pre-outs. i give great deals on harman kardon gear. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Nov 12, 2009 at 01:37 PM
you can get the new hk 255. it can decode dolby true hd and dts hd and it has pre-outs. i give great deals on harman kardon gear. :)

this is a good receiver!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead000 on Nov 12, 2009 at 02:28 PM
I'm so out of touch with the latest HK....

I have a HK AVR 5500, is there any pre-amp that I can buy and use with it? Something that can decode Dolby True HD and DTS - HD -MA,for blu-ray ?

Or do I have to buy an all new avr? If so, what is the latest models available here that has the same speaker output spec as the AVR 5500?

i think there are blu-ray players that can decode these audio formats internally and either send them through hdmi for compatible receivers, or through the multi-channel out to your 5500's multi-channel in. that would probably be the more economical way.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: number1 on Nov 13, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Harman Kardon resets its AV receiver line with AVR 1600, 2600 and 3600 models (http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/09/09/harman-kardon-resets-its-av-receiver-line-with-avr-1600-2600-an/)

Does this mean, the 155, 255, 355, are all about to be or phased out (already)?

 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Nov 17, 2009 at 10:14 PM
anyone interested in the new hk 660 and hk 760? coming soon! :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: number1 on Nov 18, 2009 at 06:13 PM
Anyone currently connecting their gears this way? Blu ray player ---> HK AVR ---> TV (all connections through HDMI)? How's the video signal? Did it degrade? I prefer connecting the video out of the player (ie. DVD) directly to the TV. But in the case of blu ray, video and audio travel in one HDMI cable thereby making a pass through the AVR necessary. Pls comment.

=======================

Looked into the manual of both the '08 AVR 255 and the new '09 AVR 2600. Both have the same 65w but they have a different layout at the back panel. The AVR 2600 now comes with a fan.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nolsky on Nov 28, 2009 at 07:48 AM
hi just had a couple of questions. i'm trying to decide between the 255 and a denon 1910. i've read a lot of stuff on the net and wanted to get the opinion of the folks here. first, does the 255 run hot? hotter than the 1910? second, when you have the the following setup [disc player -> 255 -> tv], are you able to play audio discs on the player without turning on the tv?

TIA  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gutierrez on Nov 28, 2009 at 06:42 PM
hi just had a couple of questions. i'm trying to decide between the 255 and a denon 1910. i've read a lot of stuff on the net and wanted to get the opinion of the folks here. first, does the 255 run hot? hotter than the 1910? second, when you have the the following setup [disc player -> 255 -> tv], are you able to play audio discs on the player without turning on the tv?

TIA  :)

HK 255 by a mile, yes for the other questions.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nolsky on Nov 28, 2009 at 09:54 PM
HK 255 by a mile, yes for the other questions.

thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Nov 28, 2009 at 09:56 PM
HK 255 by a mile, yes for the other questions.

i can give great deals on hk receivers. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tux72 on Nov 29, 2009 at 10:59 AM
you may contact Beyond Innovation - 6344790
hope this helps. thanks

I called the number and it's no longer in service..  Anyone knows their new number and location? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 29, 2009 at 02:05 PM
Those receivers really get hot even on normal listening levels within minutes of using.  You almost can't touch the area near the heat sinks.  I wonder if the makers are going beyond the SOA of their power transistors just to increase rated power. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fred_hika on Nov 30, 2009 at 01:45 PM
i can give great deals on hk receivers. :)

sir paki pm cash price ng 255 & 355

TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Nov 30, 2009 at 05:08 PM
sir paki pm cash price ng 255 & 355

TIA

sent you pm :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: blued888 on Dec 01, 2009 at 07:21 PM
Anybody ever purchased a spare HK AVR FM antenna? Care to point me in the right direction? Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tux72 on Dec 02, 2009 at 09:50 PM
I called the number and it's no longer in service..  Anyone knows their new number and location? Thanks in advance.

Please really need help with my HK. Does anyone here knows where can I service it?  thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 02, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Please really need help with my HK. Does anyone here knows where can I service it?  thanks.

try this number. 634-5940. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dok on Dec 09, 2009 at 03:40 PM
just had my avr serviced at beyond
call 634-7315 or 638-4299 loc 119 & 120
look for benson
:) bait yan
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gearhead000 on Dec 09, 2009 at 05:44 PM
dami na rin nagtatanong nitong service center for harman kardon. since i have good
experience with them naman, sana makatulong din sa fellow h/k owners and sa beyond
na rin. this is where i brought my h/k a year or so ago, so not sure if these haven't
been updated yet.

Beyond Innovations, Inc.
Unit B4 Topy's Place
Calle Industria cor. Economia St.,
Libis Quezon City
Tel No. 634-7315 or 638-4299 loc 119 & 120

(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1860/beyondlibis.jpg)

"1" is the location of their office, while "2" is where the service center is. as i've said,
not sure if they haven't moved yet, but if not... then it is where you need to go. you can
download the image to see a larger pic, or "view image" in firefox.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nogie on Dec 09, 2009 at 08:10 PM
Nakaset-up na ba bro yong HK 645? ;D

dami na rin nagtatanong nitong service center for harman kardon. since i have good
experience with them naman, sana makatulong din sa fellow h/k owners and sa beyond
na rin. this is where i brought my h/k a year or so ago, so not sure if these haven't
been updated yet.

Beyond Innovations, Inc.
Unit B4 Topy's Place
Calle Industria cor. Economia St.,
Libis Quezon City
Tel No. 634-7315 or 638-4299 loc 119 & 120

(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1860/beyondlibis.jpg)

"1" is the location of their office, while "2" is where the service center is. as i've said,
not sure if they haven't moved yet, but if not... then it is where you need to go. you can
download the image to see a larger pic, or "view image" in firefox.

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 10, 2009 at 01:02 PM
harman kardon avr 355 christmas sale!!! pm me if interested. :)
Title: I Have Denon AVR-1907 (sale)
Post by: bloodss2001 on Dec 10, 2009 at 05:12 PM
I Have Denon AVR-1907  4 ~ (sale)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: beginner on Dec 12, 2009 at 05:28 PM
harman kardon avr 355 christmas sale!!! pm me if interested. :)

sent you pm sir. thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM
the new hk avr 160 now available for audition. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nolsky on Dec 20, 2009 at 03:26 PM
is there any way to use spade connectors/lugs for my speaker wire with an avr 255 or am i stuck with either bare wire or bananas? tia :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: abcerase on Dec 24, 2009 at 12:07 AM
the new hk avr 160 now available for audition. :)

hi sir marc, mukhang matindi to ah :) pero wala pala atang upconversion...sana po magbaba yun 255 by the middle of 2010 :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: SETSUT on Feb 04, 2010 at 08:20 PM
the new hk avr 160 now available for audition. :)

Sir magkano na po ngaun avr 160 and avr 255? thanks..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Feb 04, 2010 at 10:41 PM
Sir magkano na po ngaun avr 160 and avr 255? thanks..

no more stock of the hk 255. sent you pm :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: saladmaster on Feb 08, 2010 at 10:22 AM
What can you say bout this AVR 8000... on the way here in  pinas from hawaii...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Feb 11, 2010 at 12:08 AM
hk avr 160 and 260 now available. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dips15 on Feb 11, 2010 at 01:40 AM
hk avr 160 and 260 now available. :)

are the*60's replacements of the *55's?  What are the improvements of the 60's over the 55 series?  Are they still the cheapest AVRs with preouts?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wengkapre on Feb 25, 2010 at 09:43 AM
pls pm prices of 255, 355, 160, 260 & 3550HD. tia
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Feb 25, 2010 at 10:14 AM
are the*60's replacements of the *55's?  What are the improvements of the 60's over the 55 series?  Are they still the cheapest AVRs with preouts?

yup. improved sound. better detail. but the price went up.

the hk 160 now has dolby true hd and dts hd and is now a 7.1 receiver compared to the hk 155. srp is 29,990.

the hk 260 srp is 46,500. :)

pm me for cash discounts. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: redrat on Mar 12, 2010 at 11:39 PM
I'm currently looking for a good deal for a brand new HK AVR 155. Any tips on price and where to buy are highly appreciated.

Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Mar 14, 2010 at 12:12 AM
I'm currently looking for a good deal for a brand new HK AVR 155. Any tips on price and where to buy are highly appreciated.

Thanks!

sent you pm :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jon2 on Mar 15, 2010 at 08:24 PM
hi guys,
         i am new here in hk forum, is there anybody who own hk avr 85.can u pls share ur experience  or review regarding on this avr.b'coz my wife r working in singapore and she bought this hk just for 20 sgd ;D together with a pair a pioneer bookshelf speaker.(don't know the model)my wife said the hk is still working and in good condition and the reason to sell is going abroad ung couple (Chinese Singaporean).and stuff will be arrive this coming april.thnks in advance for any comments or review rerding this model. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: xtrm_2001 on Mar 16, 2010 at 03:16 PM
hi guys,
         i am new here in hk forum, is there anybody who own hk avr 85.can u pls share ur experience  or review regarding on this avr.b'coz my wife r working in singapore and she bought this hk just for 20 sgd ;D together with a pair a pioneer bookshelf speaker.(don't know the model)my wife said the hk is still working and in good condition and the reason to sell is going abroad ung couple (Chinese Singaporean).and stuff will be arrive this coming april.thnks in advance for any comments or review rerding this model. :)

OT, ang mahal naman ng hk avr85 combo bs speaker  :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Mar 30, 2010 at 11:37 PM
hk avr 134, 160, 260, 660 and 760 now available. :)  you can reach me at 0917-3273083 or 216-1948. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: abcerase on Apr 01, 2010 at 08:17 PM
hk avr 134, 160, 260, 660 and 760 now available. :)  you can reach me at 0917-3273083 or 216-1948. :)

Sir, can you post the prices? Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: enrique1784 on Apr 03, 2010 at 12:32 AM
I have the ff set up: HK AVR 255 + JBL SCS 260.5

How should I set up the crossover freq manualy?.. I already measured the distances my only problem is using the correct cross over freq and the proper level (db) of each speaker/channel... Please help... Thanks...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: enrique1784 on Apr 04, 2010 at 12:28 AM
I have the ff set up: HK AVR 255 + JBL SCS 260.5

How should I set up the crossover freq manualy?.. I already measured the distances my only problem is using the correct cross over freq and the proper level (db) of each speaker/channel... Please help... Thanks...

I measured the speaker distance from my listening position... Units in ft.

FR=7
FL=7
C=7
SR=3
SL=3
Sub=7


Please I need some help... Thanks...
Title: HK AVR 255 Latest Firmware You Are Using
Post by: enrique1784 on Apr 04, 2010 at 12:42 AM
I have upgraded mine to version 0.97.2.2 but I donwgraded it back to version 0.96.1.1 because of intermittent pause when using DTS Neo:6 settings... R u also experiencing the same situation?.. Please share...
Title: Re: HK AVR 255 Latest Firmware You Are Using
Post by: Bogsle on Apr 08, 2010 at 08:40 AM
I have upgraded mine to version 0.97.2.2 but I donwgraded it back to version 0.96.1.1 because of intermittent pause when using DTS Neo:6 settings... R u also experiencing the same situation?.. Please share...

Hi.

Sent you PM.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Apr 11, 2010 at 05:11 PM
hk avr 134 - 20,500k srp
hk avr 160 - 29,990 srp
hk avr 260 - 46,500 srp
hk avr 660 - 139,990 srp
hk avr 760 - 195,990 srp

pm na lang for special pinoydvd discount. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: muypogi on Apr 14, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Thanks to Boss Mike (avshop) for giving a good deal to my biyenan on his purchase of the HK980 integrated stereo amp last Sunday at his shop in MarQuee Mall in Pampanga.

80wpc x 2, with built in MM phono stage pa. . . 2 speaker outs so pwede bi-wire na separate connections. . .

(http://www.re-carta.hu/termekek/Harman%20%20Kardon%20HK%20980.jpg)

(http://www.soundgarden.no/upload/hk980-back.jpg)

(http://audio.com.pl/pics/testy/min_harman_kardon_hd980_hk980_03.jpg)

Guys, try out the HK980.  Sounds good with the B&W 683. . .

Btw ser, could you PM me the price for the 980's big brother, the HK990?  Very interesting design. . . I might be tempted to leave my tubes behind for this 200wpc monster. . . with built in DACs to boot!

(http://www.minhembio.com/forum/uploads/monthly_08_2009/post-73777-1251292712.jpg)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Stagea on Apr 14, 2010 at 12:18 PM
Congrats Muypogi. Mukhang maganda nga. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Schrodinger's cat on Apr 15, 2010 at 12:34 PM
Wow, ganda nyan sir muypogi!

@avshop, sir pls pm me the prices of HK 980 and HK 990. Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Apr 16, 2010 at 08:48 AM
sent pm to muypogi and ubunterror. :)

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Apr 16, 2010 at 08:48 AM
Thanks to Boss Mike (avshop) for giving a good deal to my biyenan on his purchase of the HK980 integrated stereo amp last Sunday at his shop in MarQuee Mall in Pampanga.

80wpc x 2, with built in MM phono stage pa. . . 2 speaker outs so pwede bi-wire na separate connections. . .

(http://www.re-carta.hu/termekek/Harman%20%20Kardon%20HK%20980.jpg)

(http://www.soundgarden.no/upload/hk980-back.jpg)

(http://audio.com.pl/pics/testy/min_harman_kardon_hd980_hk980_03.jpg)

Guys, try out the HK980.  Sounds good with the B&W 683. . .

Btw ser, could you PM me the price for the 980's big brother, the HK990?  Very interesting design. . . I might be tempted to leave my tubes behind for this 200wpc monster. . . with built in DACs to boot!

(http://www.minhembio.com/forum/uploads/monthly_08_2009/post-73777-1251292712.jpg)

thanks for the purchase. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: muypogi on Apr 16, 2010 at 09:34 AM
Sent PM regarding the HK990 as well. . .
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dips15 on May 02, 2010 at 01:21 AM
Anybody here with the new HK's?  Was looking for any inputs on the 160 or 260 models.

Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: phipsi1 on May 06, 2010 at 11:22 PM
@HK Owners

Wanted to get any input from HK AVR 660 owners.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jun 29, 2010 at 06:51 PM
hk 160 and hk 260 available again for demo at the shop. hk 460 coming soon. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: [r0n1n] on Aug 03, 2010 at 12:37 PM
Planning to get HK receiver and will pair with either MA or Dali speakers. Can anyone give their inputs on HK/MA or HK/Dali combo? Intended amp is the HK 160. Sabi nung shop dito sa Singapore wala pa daw 160  ??? so is it worth it getting the 255 instead?

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: XXXyzledge on Aug 08, 2010 at 11:20 AM
hk 160 and hk 260 available again for demo at the shop. hk 460 coming soon. :)

big diff ba 260 with 255 bro avshop?

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Aug 08, 2010 at 10:13 PM
big diff ba 260 with 255 bro avshop?



Better but I wouldn't say it's worlds apart. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: XXXyzledge on Aug 09, 2010 at 07:59 AM
Better but I wouldn't say it's worlds apart. :)

thanks for the reply sir!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Aug 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM
Firmware update for 3D compatability coming for hk x60 models. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: khestoi on Aug 23, 2010 at 02:57 PM
Mas maganda ba ang hk160 compared to denon 1611? May auto convert ba ang hk 160?
Sa looks talo si denon kasi nakita ko na sya. Di masyadong maganda ung material na ginamit para sa body nya.
San gawa yung HK160? China ata ung denon.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Aug 23, 2010 at 06:58 PM
Mas maganda ba ang hk160 compared to denon 1611? May auto convert ba ang hk 160?
Sa looks talo si denon kasi nakita ko na sya. Di masyadong maganda ung material na ginamit para sa body nya.
San gawa yung HK160? China ata ung denon.

hk receivers are also made in china.  on pure sound quality mas maganda ang hk. at least to my ears. best you pass by the shop to compare the brands. :)

shop is located at unit 205 amaremca bldg, 107a kalayaan avenue, diliman, quezon city. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: legalypogi on Aug 26, 2010 at 05:58 PM
may issue ba yung hdmi pass tru ng hk 160 when connected sa xbox 360 may sounds sya kaso black screen sa plasma any workaround dvd players works fine sa xbox 360 lang di gumana...thnx

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Aug 31, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Hi guys im using hk255 for a time nadin but wants to play with the crossover settings, im using infinity primus speaker, anu ba ok na settings for crossover? front - large , center - 60z, surround - 80hz yun setting sakin now, ive read some na lagay sa 120hz lahat? thanks guys just wanna make sure lang sa settings baka mali mali pag ako nang hula..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Sep 01, 2010 at 10:55 PM
may issue ba yung hdmi pass tru ng hk 160 when connected sa xbox 360 may sounds sya kaso black screen sa plasma any workaround dvd players works fine sa xbox 360 lang di gumana...thnx



fixed with the firmware update. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: khestoi on Sep 04, 2010 at 06:49 AM
Hi sir I just bought a HK AVR 160 last Saturday at AVSHOP. Planning to get the Mirage nanosat speakers on the 25th of september.

Question lang.
Automatic bang nadetetect nung receiver ung number of active speakers mo?
Kasi as of now naka 2.0 ch lang ako (gamit ko ung lumang speakers na pioneer) tapos kapag mag play ako ng mga movies na dolby digital 6.0ch ung audio, hindi ko maiba ung surround modes nya. Pag auto, naka dolby digital sya kaso ang na rearead nya na setup ko is 3/2/.1 pero naka 2.0 lang ako. Ganun ba talaga un? Gusto ko rin kasing ma try ung ibang surround modes. I dont know kung sa 5.1 or above setups mo lang sya maseselect. Please help.

Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Sep 04, 2010 at 11:04 PM
Hi sir I just bought a HK AVR 160 last Saturday at AVSHOP. Planning to get the Mirage nanosat speakers on the 25th of september.

Question lang.
Automatic bang nadetetect nung receiver ung number of active speakers mo?
Kasi as of now naka 2.0 ch lang ako (gamit ko ung lumang speakers na pioneer) tapos kapag mag play ako ng mga movies na dolby digital 6.0ch ung audio, hindi ko maiba ung surround modes nya. Pag auto, naka dolby digital sya kaso ang na rearead nya na setup ko is 3/2/.1 pero naka 2.0 lang ako. Ganun ba talaga un? Gusto ko rin kasing ma try ung ibang surround modes. I dont know kung sa 5.1 or above setups mo lang sya maseselect. Please help.

Thanks!

If using only 2 speakers just set to stereo and turn the sub off. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: khestoi on Sep 05, 2010 at 07:05 AM
Ok alam ko na. Hindi talaga pwede ma select ung ibang surround modes kapag 2.0. Tinry  kong i on ung ibang channels then ayun napalabas ko rin sila. Another thing na notice ko is ung slight delay nya sa XMB ng PS3. Sa simula wala syang sounds tapos kapag tinuloy tuloy mo lang ung pag pindot ng d-pad eh maririnig mo na yung clicking sounds. Same sa pag play ng videos at mp3. Pero di ko naman sya na eexperience sa gaming. Ganun din sa PC di ko marinig ung mga clicking sounds. Natural lang ba yun?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: khestoi on Sep 20, 2010 at 11:37 AM
Ok alam ko na. Hindi talaga pwede ma select ung ibang surround modes kapag 2.0. Tinry  kong i on ung ibang channels then ayun napalabas ko rin sila. Another thing na notice ko is ung slight delay nya sa XMB ng PS3. Sa simula wala syang sounds tapos kapag tinuloy tuloy mo lang ung pag pindot ng d-pad eh maririnig mo na yung clicking sounds. Same sa pag play ng videos at mp3. Pero di ko naman sya na eexperience sa gaming. Ganun din sa PC di ko marinig ung mga clicking sounds. Natural lang ba yun?

Guys wala bang nakaka experience sa inyo ng ganitong issue?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: constyne on Sep 23, 2010 at 02:32 PM
mga sirs...s question lang po bago lang ako kc nagseset up kaya nagjoin n ko dito sa pinoydvd para makakuha ng tips, meron na po ako avr 255, ilang watts po ba ang kayang idrive nito pagdating sa speaker wattage.. plan ko po kc lagyan ng 250watts w/ minimum input of 30watts front speaker then 100 watts bose vcs 10 center ang avr 255 ko... maganda pa din po  ba ang tunog nito...di ba masisira ang avr ko... patulong naman po...tnx...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: powershot on Sep 25, 2010 at 07:28 AM
bakit wala sa website ng harman kardon yung 160, ang meron lang 1600. same lang ba yun?

pinagpipilian ko kasi Denon 1611 or Harman Kardon 1600.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nogie on Sep 25, 2010 at 09:09 AM
bakit wala sa website ng harman kardon yung 160, ang meron lang 1600. same lang ba yun?

pinagpipilian ko kasi Denon 1611 or Harman Kardon 1600.

AFAIK, hk 160 is the model released for EU/Asia market while 1600 ang para sa North America.

http://www.harmankardon.com/EN-GB/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?PID=AVR%20160/230&accT=1&tsT=0&ovT=1
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JcCapco on Sep 26, 2010 at 10:10 PM
im planning to upgrade my 35watts hk avr135 to 50watts of hk avr1600 from us..although still I will be using the standard dd/dts formats due dont have a blueray or HDMI source of AUDIO, just a standard upscaling dvd player only. im just wondering and wanna know as well if there's a difference in sound quality of a 50watter to 30watter?Are both avr sound the same? or just a loudness/volume increase for the 50watts? set aside the DDHD?/DTSHD formats.just the standard dd/dts and stereo only.does the 50watter better sound quality and improvement? or still the same? just an increase in volume?  it will drive same set of speakers again...
need your opinions or suggestions...tnx sirs!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gunslinger on Sep 27, 2010 at 08:56 AM
If you don't see yourself going bluray or any HDMI source for the next 6mos-1yr, I suggest you keep your current receiver if it's still working. Bili ka na lang ng HDMI receiver pag meron ka na din budget to buy a new source. ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JcCapco on Sep 27, 2010 at 09:48 AM
tnx sir...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: otepsy on Sep 27, 2010 at 10:08 AM
im planning to upgrade my 35watts hk avr135 to 50watts of hk avr1600 from us..although still I will be using the standard dd/dts formats due dont have a blueray or HDMI source of AUDIO, just a standard upscaling dvd player only. im just wondering and wanna know as well if there's a difference in sound quality of a 50watter to 30watter?Are both avr sound the same? or just a loudness/volume increase for the 50watts? set aside the DDHD?/DTSHD formats.just the standard dd/dts and stereo only.does the 50watter better sound quality and improvement? or still the same? just an increase in volume?  it will drive same set of speakers again...
need your opinions or suggestions...tnx sirs!

Upgrade na naman?...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Sep 27, 2010 at 04:34 PM
im planning to upgrade my 35watts hk avr135 to 50watts of hk avr1600 from us..although still I will be using the standard dd/dts formats due dont have a blueray or HDMI source of AUDIO, just a standard upscaling dvd player only. im just wondering and wanna know as well if there's a difference in sound quality of a 50watter to 30watter?Are both avr sound the same? or just a loudness/volume increase for the 50watts? set aside the DDHD?/DTSHD formats.just the standard dd/dts and stereo only.does the 50watter better sound quality and improvement? or still the same? just an increase in volume?  it will drive same set of speakers again...
need your opinions or suggestions...tnx sirs!

come to the shop and compare the hk 160 and hk 260. that way you'll hear for yourself the difference between the two. :)

shop is located at unit 303 amaremca bldg, 107a kalayaan avenue, diliman, quezon city. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Oct 21, 2010 at 09:57 PM
hk 460, hk 660 and hk 760 available for order. :)

you can reach us at 435-3210 or 232-2767. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: JcCapco on Nov 29, 2010 at 10:16 AM
sir question lang po, if the avr channel level increase,is there a negative effect sa sound quality? i mean magkakaroon b ng distortion? tnx....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kristian on Dec 05, 2010 at 02:09 AM
hello sir newbie here, may nagoofer sakin dito ng avr134 na tempting ang price,ok ba tong amplifier na to?for movies ko gamitin and worry ko is 50hz sya, im from qatar nga pala. suggestions naman mga sir kasi balak ko iuwi sa pinas and dyan nalang ako bili mga speakers. thank you
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wengkapre on Dec 05, 2010 at 08:53 PM
hello sir newbie here, may nagoofer sakin dito ng avr134 na tempting ang price,ok ba tong amplifier na to?for movies ko gamitin and worry ko is 50hz sya, im from qatar nga pala. suggestions naman mga sir kasi balak ko iuwi sa pinas and dyan nalang ako bili mga speakers. thank you

phaseout na ata dito yang 134 Brader :-\
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: julianne on Dec 17, 2010 at 08:35 AM
mga sirs...s question lang po bago lang ako kc nagseset up kaya nagjoin n ko dito sa pinoydvd para makakuha ng tips, meron na po ako avr 255, ilang watts po ba ang kayang idrive nito pagdating sa speaker wattage.. plan ko po kc lagyan ng 250watts w/ minimum input of 30watts front speaker then 100 watts bose vcs 10 center ang avr 255 ko... maganda pa din po  ba ang tunog nito...di ba masisira ang avr ko... patulong naman po...tnx...

Hi, I also have an HK AVR 255. I'm using Bose 701 Series I speakers on the fronts which is rated 200W at 6 Ohms nominal impedance. I'm also using the VCS-10 for the center and the 301 V and 301 IV for the surrounds, so far no problem.
If I listen to a music (MP3, CD or FM), I only engaged 2 channel listening on the AVR.
HK rated their AV receivers with all channels driven as compared to mostly Japanese brands. It can handle the 250W rated speakers in my opinion but you need to know that when you increase the volume of (> -20dB) you might encounter clipping. By the way, what is the nominal impedance of the speakers? 100-150W speakers should be fine...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jan 05, 2011 at 12:59 AM

Guys I need your help.

After 5 years of not being used, i finally decided to hook up again my HK AVR-5500 to my Wharfs speakers. Everything still sounded great... Nothing has changed except that now hindi na nag sasave ang settings nya once na unplug ko sa kuryente yung AVR.

What seems to be the problem here? WHere can i have this fixed. So far yun lang problemang nakita ko... everything else seems to work fine... It still sounds superb on a wharf speakers..

Your help is greatly appreciated.... :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jan 05, 2011 at 06:02 AM
hi sir,

nde ko lang sure pero bka tulad ng pc, need lang palitan ng certain battery yung memory nyan.

hope that will be the solution, miss ko na yung ganyan na kulay ng HK
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jan 05, 2011 at 11:52 PM
hi sir,

nde ko lang sure pero bka tulad ng pc, need lang palitan ng certain battery yung memory nyan.

hope that will be the solution, miss ko na yung ganyan na kulay ng HK

When i e-mailed Harman Kardon, they said that a battery inside needs replacement.. but when i look into the vents with a very strong flash light and i can see almost every components inside.. wala naman akong makitang battery look alike na component...

Hmmmmmm....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Conan on Jan 06, 2011 at 06:02 AM
When i e-mailed Harman Kardon, they said that a battery inside needs replacement.. but when i look into the vents with a very strong flash light and i can see almost every components inside.. wala naman akong makitang battery look alike na component...

Hmmmmmm....

It's normally a small capacitor that stores the memory and not a conventional battery.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: eaferrer on Jan 08, 2011 at 03:04 PM
It's normally a small capacitor that stores the memory and not a conventional battery.

Yup , It is actually a backup capacitor which acts like a battery to keep about 2.5V supplied to the controller/ processor IC .. Must have a diagram to make sure you are changing the correct cap  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jan 10, 2011 at 08:38 PM
Yup , It is actually a backup capacitor which acts like a battery to keep about 2.5V supplied to the controller/ processor IC .. Must have a diagram to make sure you are changing the correct cap  :)

Thanks for all your input. Will bring the unit na lang sa Beyond Innovations service center. Are they still in libis?

Amp is still working fine except for this minor defect.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bachwitz on Jan 21, 2011 at 05:25 AM
hk 160 and hk 260 available again for demo at the shop. hk 460 coming soon. :)

Sir, please pa quote naman nang prices. thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: james16 on Jan 21, 2011 at 08:00 AM
will they release again an all black receiver...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jan 21, 2011 at 08:05 AM
Sir, please pa quote naman nang prices. thanks.

Sent you pm. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Jan 21, 2011 at 08:05 AM
will they release again an all black receiver again...

No news on that. :(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: mareustroy on Feb 07, 2011 at 12:23 PM
any user in HK avr 254? im planning to buy this avr.. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: julianne on Feb 07, 2011 at 01:47 PM
Hi, I'm a user of the H/K AVR 255. This is the Asia/Europe equivalent of the AVR 254.
It is a very good mid range AV Receiver in terms of sound quality, power and features.

Other shops and internet forums compared them to the Onkyo TX-SR60x series, the Denon AVR 191x series and well as the Yamaha RX-V66x series.

In terms of power, it is rated at 65W per channel on 2-channel stereo and 50W per channel in all channels driven. Most of the Japanese brand such as Onkyo, Denon, Marantz, Pioneer or Yamaha, etc. rated their AV Receivers in 2-channel stereo only which is somehow misleading.

One of the gripe I can say is the firmware update process of which you need to update the AVR via RS-232 and WinXP. The latest firmware update as of Jan. 2011 is the 07-01-2010 01, AFW v0.98.3.1, DSP Version 1.2.9. Another issue is the EZSet/Eq which is only good for movies. Turning this OFF and manually adjust the speaker level via SPL makes the speakers more 'ALIVE' specially when listening to music or CD.

It does not have the Audyssey EQ or the Dolby Pro Logic IIz. It only has 3 HDMI inputs and 1 HDMI output but it has the preamp outputs. You can use an external multi-channel Power Amplifier if you want bigger sound applications.

My set-up is 7.1 and composed of Bose 701 Series I, Bose 301 Series IV and V, Bose VCS-10 and Velodyne VX-10. As per my experience, the AVR 255 can drive these speakers at reference level without restraining.

I do not own Blu Ray Player or PS3 but have Popcorn Hour A-200 in watching 1080p24Hz movies.

Before I bought the AVR 255, I do research as well and compared it to the Onkyo TX-SR606 and Denon AVR 1910 in demo. In my opinion, the AVR 255 is better than the SR606 and 1910 in terms of sound quality (warm sounding I guess). Just an opinion and do not want to offend others.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cbotc on Feb 21, 2011 at 04:52 AM
Thanks for all your input. Will bring the unit na lang sa Beyond Innovations service center. Are they still in libis?

Amp is still working fine except for this minor defect.

Beyond Innovation is still in Libis, right before Eastwood. I brought my HK avr35 there last December. All the surrounds mode gone except for stereo mode. Sadly, my unit is still at beyond Innovations, awaiting availability of parts.. >:(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kristian on Mar 06, 2011 at 04:36 PM
 :)hello po, newbie lang ako sa HT, pero im starting ti build my own. gusto ko lang kahit simple set up. receiver na lang kulang ko because meron nako HTIB and I want a receiver as a next step. andito po ako sa qatar and may nakita ako sale na HK 142 bundled with JBL scs140 5.1 speakers for 24k in pesos. ask ko lang kung good buy na po ba ito.im not planning to spend alot gusto ko lang maganda and maayos sounds. Thank you and more power... ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Mar 08, 2011 at 09:26 PM
hk 160 - 25.5k
hk 260 - 39k
hk 460 - 65k

:)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rojody on Mar 14, 2011 at 11:05 PM
Hello everyone, I'm an owner of a HK AVR 255, had problems last year with the unit, especially when playing CDs or music files from a pioneer DVD player (with USB) and my seagate media player. When the next track of a CD or a music folder plays/starts, a bit of the song is not played, like half-a-second. I found this to be also true when playing movies, like the sound at the start of the next track/part gets cut-off when forwarding movies. Brought it to Beyond Innovations and they said it was just gonna be an upgrade of the firmware/software. The problem still exists, although not at all times. Does anybody have the same problem, or has anybody experienced this? I want to bring the unit back to Libis but I don't know if the problem is my Pioneer DVD player or my Media player...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Conan on Mar 14, 2011 at 11:08 PM
Hello everyone, I'm an owner of a HK AVR 255, had problems last year with the unit, especially when playing CDs or music files from a pioneer DVD player (with USB) and my seagate media player. When the next track of a CD or a music folder plays/starts, a bit of the song is not played, like half-a-second. I found this to be also true when playing movies, like the sound at the start of the next track/part gets cut-off when forwarding movies. Brought it to Beyond Innovations and they said it was just gonna be an upgrade of the firmware/software. The problem still exists, although not at all times. Does anybody have the same problem, or has anybody experienced this? I want to bring the unit back to Libis but I don't know if the problem is my Pioneer DVD player or my Media player...

That's normal behavior for Media players.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: julianne on Mar 15, 2011 at 03:24 PM
Hello everyone, I'm an owner of a HK AVR 255, had problems last year with the unit, especially when playing CDs or music files from a pioneer DVD player (with USB) and my seagate media player. When the next track of a CD or a music folder plays/starts, a bit of the song is not played, like half-a-second. I found this to be also true when playing movies, like the sound at the start of the next track/part gets cut-off when forwarding movies. Brought it to Beyond Innovations and they said it was just gonna be an upgrade of the firmware/software. The problem still exists, although not at all times. Does anybody have the same problem, or has anybody experienced this? I want to bring the unit back to Libis but I don't know if the problem is my Pioneer DVD player or my Media player...

Hi, if you are sending digital signal to the AVR 255, that is normal on H/K AVR's. I also have the AVR 255 and a Pioneer DVD player as well with HDMI. I'm using Popcorn Hour A-200.

When I address it to H/K, the customer service said that the reason why they do that is because the AVR 255 is choosing the surround mode during the muted period.  It is also identifying the bit depth and sample rate, which is even more important for playing back audio.  This is happening with every track because your DVD player is dropping the synchronization signal between each track.  If the DVD player did not drop the sync signal, this would not happen.

One thing that you can try is use analog cables. Using the L/R analog cable you will not experience any muting at the beginning of each song.

For my experience, the sound when I use the AVR 255 HDMI, optical or coaxial is much better (better dynamics) compared to my Pioneer DV-610AV. Most probably because of the implementation of DACs in the AVR 255.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rojody on Mar 15, 2011 at 11:32 PM
That's normal behavior for Media players.
Thanks for the reply. So that explains the Media player. But how about the Pioneer DVD player? I set the audio source from the coax.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rojody on Mar 15, 2011 at 11:36 PM
Hi, if you are sending digital signal to the AVR 255, that is normal on H/K AVR's. I also have the AVR 255 and a Pioneer DVD player as well with HDMI. I'm using Popcorn Hour A-200.

When I address it to H/K, the customer service said that the reason why they do that is because the AVR 255 is choosing the surround mode during the muted period.  It is also identifying the bit depth and sample rate, which is even more important for playing back audio.  This is happening with every track because your DVD player is dropping the synchronization signal between each track.  If the DVD player did not drop the sync signal, this would not happen.

One thing that you can try is use analog cables. Using the L/R analog cable you will not experience any muting at the beginning of each song.

For my experience, the sound when I use the AVR 255 HDMI, optical or coaxial is much better (better dynamics) compared to my Pioneer DV-610AV. Most probably because of the implementation of DACs in the AVR 255.

Hope this helps.
Wow, so that explains it, thanks for the detailed explanation. So does it mean everybody with HK receivers has experienced this? Btw, I use the coax cable as the sound connection from my Pioneer DVD player, not the HDMI. This also qualifies as digital source, right? Thus the muting at the beginning of the track? I might also add that before the firmware upgrade there was a popping sound at the change of tracks, which was eliminated after the upgrade.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Mar 16, 2011 at 12:21 AM
Wow, so that explains it, thanks for the detailed explanation. So does it mean everybody with HK receivers has experienced this? Btw, I use the coax cable as the sound connection from my Pioneer DVD player, not the HDMI. This also qualifies as digital source, right? Thus the muting at the beginning of the track? I might also add that before the firmware upgrade there was a popping sound at the change of tracks, which was eliminated after the upgrade.

This doesn't happen to my HK AVR-5500. Though my HK is 7 years old.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: shuttertrigger on Mar 17, 2011 at 09:10 AM
Thanks for all your input. Will bring the unit na lang sa Beyond Innovations service center. Are they still in libis?

Amp is still working fine except for this minor defect.

Sir, please update how much for the cost of this. I think we have the same problem. Though its all working fine with Wharfs. Regards sir!  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Mar 17, 2011 at 09:42 PM
Sir, please update how much for the cost of this. I think we have the same problem. Though its all working fine with Wharfs. Regards sir!  ;)

Will do sir, planning to bring the HK probably next week or week after that..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cbotc on Mar 28, 2011 at 11:50 AM
My HK AVR35 is still at Beyond Innovation, according to them parts to be replaced are Front Panel PCB Assembly and Audio Input PCB Assembly. They are still looking for parts replacement, can anybody suggest how and where I can source for these parts? This is turning out to be a restoration job for a 12yr old avr.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts on the matter.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ybrip on Apr 03, 2011 at 07:50 PM
Gud evening Sirs! I'm torn between buying a Harman Kardon AVR 160 or Onkyo 508. Which one do you think is better? I intend to use it 50/50 (movies/audio). TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Stagea on Apr 04, 2011 at 04:27 AM
Gud evening Sirs! I'm torn between buying a Harman Kardon AVR 160 or Onkyo 508. Which one do you think is better? I intend to use it 50/50 (movies/audio). TIA

Hear them with your desired speakers first, to see which one works for you. :) Also, check out the AVR features to see if the 160 meets your needs (the 508 is the more feature-laden option).
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dj on Apr 04, 2011 at 07:55 AM
Gud evening Sirs! I'm torn between buying a Harman Kardon AVR 160 or Onkyo 508. Which one do you think is better? I intend to use it 50/50 (movies/audio). TIA
both receiver will sound good in wharfes. mas musical lang for me ang wharfes sa onkyo. but you say 50/50 ka sa audio/movies kaya for me sa h/k ang bagsak ko. but its your decision sir you can never go wrong sa dalawa.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ybrip on Apr 04, 2011 at 10:45 PM
Thanks Sir Stagea and Sir dj! I'm actually choosing between Rti a1 and Infinity Primus 162 speakers. Will have to audition these speakers with both H/K 160 and Onkyo 508 before I decide. My room only measures 2.8m x 6m so I'm thinking of just getting BS as fronts. But surely,will audtion Primus 252 and Tsi 300 as well. Do you think my AVR options match well with the speakers I mentioned? Thanks once again.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 04, 2011 at 11:34 PM
Thanks Sir Stagea and Sir dj! I'm actually choosing between Rti a1 and Infinity Primus 162 speakers. Will have to audition these speakers with both H/K 160 and Onkyo 508 before I decide. My room only measures 2.8m x 6m so I'm thinking of just getting BS as fronts. But surely,will audtion Primus 252 and Tsi 300 as well. Do you think my AVR options match well with the speakers I mentioned? Thanks once again.

I've auditioned the RTa1 against infinity and tsi, the RTA1 won, now ive got one in my bedroom.. just got it today.. the RTA's sound more detailed and more fuller... though maganda din yung Infinity and TSI pero mas nanalo talaga ang RTA's for me...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nogie on Apr 05, 2011 at 05:35 AM
I've auditioned the RTa1 against infinity and tsi, the RTA1 won, now ive got one in my bedroom.. just got it today.. the RTA's sound more detailed and more fuller... though maganda din yung Infinity and TSI pero mas nanalo talaga ang RTA's for me...

Congrats bro! Bagay yan sa Yamaha in pure direct mode. Yang a1 ang pang-lullaby ko sa baby tuwing gabi.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dj on Apr 05, 2011 at 08:39 AM
I've auditioned the RTa1 against infinity and tsi, the RTA1 won, now ive got one in my bedroom.. just got it today.. the RTA's sound more detailed and more fuller... though maganda din yung Infinity and TSI pero mas nanalo talaga ang RTA's for me...

congrats bro on your new babies :) do also got the h/k?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Cosmic79 on Apr 07, 2011 at 11:39 AM
Gud evening Sirs! I'm torn between buying a Harman Kardon AVR 160 or Onkyo 508. Which one do you think is better? I intend to use it 50/50 (movies/audio). TIA

Just my opinion. The Harman Kardon 160 has a fuller, richer sound compared to Onkyo. I auditioned both receivers playing movies and music using Polk Audio speakers. The HK yielded a "thicker" sound for both music and movies.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Apr 07, 2011 at 10:51 PM
congrats bro on your new babies :) do also got the h/k?

I have an HK already the AVR5500 which was purchased in 2003, havent tested yet the Polk with this baby, kelangan ko banana plugs hirap magkabit tanggal speakers sa likod nang AVR he he he
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dj on Apr 08, 2011 at 05:47 AM
I have an HK already the AVR5500 which was purchased in 2003, havent tested yet the Polk with this baby, kelangan ko banana plugs hirap magkabit tanggal speakers sa likod nang AVR he he he

mahirap nga yan sir ;D pawisan ka nya ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Cosmic79 on Apr 09, 2011 at 11:34 AM
I have an HK already the AVR5500 which was purchased in 2003, havent tested yet the Polk with this baby, kelangan ko banana plugs hirap magkabit tanggal speakers sa likod nang AVR he he he

Let us know how it sounds once na setup mo na your Harman Kardon 5500 with your Polk Audio.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on May 02, 2011 at 01:46 PM
NVM... i nag research ako tungkol sa HK 1600. It does only pass-through.

From my research if the receiver is pass-through it can only pass video. So i need a separate audio cable sound.  That would my the back of my TV cluttered and not nice.
Is that what the pass-through of the HK1600 really does? only pass-out video?
Can anyone experience with the 1600 give the thoughts on this?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gunslinger on May 02, 2011 at 07:53 PM
NVM... i nag research ako tungkol sa HK 1600. It does only pass-through.

From my research if the receiver is pass-through it can only pass video. So i need a separate audio cable sound.  That would my the back of my TV cluttered and not nice.
Is that what the pass-through of the HK1600 really does? only pass-out video?
Can anyone experience with the 1600 give the thoughts on this?

It can pass both audio and video through HDMI. No video upscaling capability though. No need for a separate audio cable if you are using HDMI. I'm using the Asian Version HKAVR160 right now.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on May 02, 2011 at 08:38 PM
Thank God. Its good to hear that you only need one hdmi direct to your tv.  Ang gulo grabe nababasa ko kasi sa ibang forums na older receiver with pass-through only pass hdmi video only.

ya know 1600 35 watts seems quite low, but is it?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on May 02, 2011 at 08:50 PM
Thank God. Its good to hear that you only need one hdmi direct to your tv.  Ang gulo grabe nababasa ko kasi sa ibang forums na older receiver with pass-through only pass hdmi video only.

ya know 1600 35 watts seems quite low, but is it?

Harman receivers are very under rated. That 35 watts would be as loud as a 80-90 watt Japanese receiver. Come by the shop to check them out. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gunslinger on May 03, 2011 at 05:31 AM
Harman receivers are very under rated. That 35 watts would be as loud as a 80-90 watt Japanese receiver. Come by the shop to check them out. :)
+1 Although it has a low wattage claimed on paper, it shouldn't have any problem driving maintstream speakers. Unless you will be using hard to drive speakers that will certainly require beefier amp from midlevel to high end. Visit Marc's shop to hear them sing.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nogie on May 03, 2011 at 06:36 AM
Thank God. Its good to hear that you only need one hdmi direct to your tv.  Ang gulo grabe nababasa ko kasi sa ibang forums na older receiver with pass-through only pass hdmi video only.

ya know 1600 35 watts seems quite low, but is it?

Older HK models that cannot pass through audio through HDMI are HK 245 & 445, but higher models w/ HDMI 1.1 version like the 645 & 745 can. HTH.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on May 03, 2011 at 01:15 PM
is the Harman kardon 160 good for video games?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Cosmic79 on May 04, 2011 at 10:53 AM
is the Harman kardon 160 good for video games?

Yes it's also good for video games. My friend has a Harman Kardon ( old model ) and sound is ok.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 04, 2011 at 08:03 PM
is the Harman kardon 160 good for video games?

Base on my experience with Harman(AVR5500). It's good at everything music, HT and Gaming...

HK is a very powerful amp, ignore the low wattage in the spec..it will give more than what they stated in their specs..Weight na weight pa lang kita mo na agad eh...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Cosmic79 on May 04, 2011 at 09:23 PM
Base on my experience with Harman(AVR5500). It's good at everything music, HT and Gaming...

HK is a very powerful amp, ignore the low wattage in the spec..it will give more than what they stated in their specs..Weight na weight pa lang kita mo na agad eh...

One time I had to hand carry a Harman Kardon for about 2 blocks and my arms became sore and numb dahil sa sobrang bigat. It's solid heavy compared to other receivers.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on May 04, 2011 at 10:12 PM
i will have to listen to these receivers before i decide then.

i'm slightly leaning more to the denon because of the up-conversion features. i do have a lot of legacy hardware like my dvd players.

I think the harmans begin to shine when you get receivers 2600 and above.

I wish harman released a new set of receivers. the techs moving so fast and there being left behind
here are the features new recievers have:
internet radio, DLNA, airplay, ARC, connectable ipod dock(160 has no dock) support for android, standby pass-through and 3D.  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on May 05, 2011 at 07:56 AM
new harman kardon receivers coming out this year:
http://www.twice.com/article/467584-Harman_Kardon_Product_Rollout_To_Grow.php (http://www.twice.com/article/467584-Harman_Kardon_Product_Rollout_To_Grow.php)
 ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sovrain on May 06, 2011 at 09:42 AM
may pag asa din kayang bumaba ang prices ng HK AVRs, just like in HarmanKardon US site, MSRP ng 2600 is from $799 down to $699? In amazon is $479.99 na........... patient....be patient....bababa din yan  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Cosmic79 on May 06, 2011 at 06:09 PM
may pag asa din kayang bumaba ang prices ng HK AVRs, just like in HarmanKardon US site, MSRP ng 2600 is from $799 down to $699? In amazon is $479.99 na........... patient....be patient....bababa din yan  ;D

Galing lang ako sa AVShop, mayroon silang Harman Kardon 260 nasa Php28k lang... eto na ata ang dream come true.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 06, 2011 at 08:21 PM
Galing lang ako sa AVShop, mayroon silang Harman Kardon 260 nasa Php28k lang... eto na ata ang dream come true.

Yup, saw that too. It used to be 30k, binaba na nila price to 28k? Nice..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sovrain on May 07, 2011 at 03:58 PM
Galing lang ako sa AVShop, mayroon silang Harman Kardon 260 nasa Php28k lang... eto na ata ang dream come true.
28k na? buti kung brand new, kc, last may 3 na pm ako ni avshop ng mas mataas jan e, MSRP ng UK pa. buti naman at bumaba na. mas madali ko ng mapag iponan yan he he....... konting tiis pa, baka bababa pa, kya lang baka maubusan,,waaaaaaaaaa. I'm into marantz 5005 sana because of some features na gusto ko, pero kapag ganyan na ang price ng HK 260, pabayaan mo na mga features n yan, pareho lang siguro sila ng SQ ha ha ha, bye marantz.
Sir Cosmic79, or anybody, anong speakers ang bagay sa 260? RTi, TSi or primus? or may iba pa ba? any suggestions pls? tulo laway na ako sa mga nababasa ko dito.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Cosmic79 on May 07, 2011 at 04:38 PM
28k na? buti kung brand new, kc, last may 3 na pm ako ni avshop ng mas mataas jan e, MSRP ng UK pa. buti naman at bumaba na. mas madali ko ng mapag iponan yan he he....... konting tiis pa, baka bababa pa, kya lang baka maubusan,,waaaaaaaaaa. I'm into marantz 5005 sana because of some features na gusto ko, pero kapag ganyan na ang price ng HK 260, pabayaan mo na mga features n yan, pareho lang siguro sila ng SQ ha ha ha, bye marantz.
Sir Cosmic79, or anybody, anong speakers ang bagay sa 260? RTi, TSi or primus? or may iba pa ba? any suggestions pls? tulo laway na ako sa mga nababasa ko dito.

Sir Sovrain, sa opinion ko bagay ang Polk Audio Tsi or RTi series sa Harman Kardon. Gamit ko Harman Kardon 160 with Polk Audio speakers and ok ang combination. Pwede mo naman audition different speakers sa HK so your ears can choose. When you bring your music files for audition, mag dala ka ng music na may solo vocals and minimal instruments kasi in those type of songs you can gauge how the speakers renders the vocals. I listened to many speakers, pag upbeat and fast disco type songs or fast RnB, the sound is okay. But when you play a jazzy vocal type songs, with solo vocals, the speaker did not render it well. Just pay attention to the details and separations and mga kalansing.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sovrain on May 07, 2011 at 05:09 PM
Sir Sovrain, sa opinion ko bagay ang Polk Audio Tsi or RTi series sa Harman Kardon. Gamit ko Harman Kardon 160 with Polk Audio speakers and ok ang combination. Pwede mo naman audition different speakers sa HK so your ears can choose. When you bring your music files for audition, mag dala ka ng music na may solo vocals and minimal instruments kasi in those type of songs you can gauge how the speakers renders the vocals. I listened to many speakers, pag upbeat and fast disco type songs or fast RnB, the sound is okay. But when you play a jazzy vocal type songs, with solo vocals, the speaker did not render it well. Just pay attention to the details and separations and mga kalansing.
gud eve Sir Cosmic79, tnx for the advice. at JBLshop at the annex, I auditioned their speakers with music from my cp, feels so good by don potter for the jazz vocals, home of the braves by toto for rock and lucifer by alan parsons project for instrumentals, kaya lang mp3 format, ok lang ba kung mp3? m planning to bring with me a DVD of Yanni live at the acropolis for the audition (sana wag ko lang makalimutan he he pagpunta ko jan sa city. I'm 12hrs drive away)..Sir, if u happen to know these songs, ok bang pang audition? maraming salamat uli.... :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on May 07, 2011 at 05:10 PM
gud eve Sir Cosmic79, tnx for the advice. at JBLshop at the annex, I auditioned their speakers with music from my cp, feels so good by don potter for the jazz vocals, home of the braves by toto for rock and lucifer by alan parsons project for instrumentals, kaya lang mp3 format, ok lang ba kung mp3? m planning to bring with me a DVD of Yanni live at the acropolis for the audition (sana wag ko lang makalimutan he he pagpunta ko jan sa city. I'm 12hrs drive away)..Sir, if u happen to know these songs, ok bang pang audition? maraming salamat uli.... :)

Where are you from. We have a Jbl store in Angeles city in marquee mall if you're from the north. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sovrain on May 07, 2011 at 06:01 PM
Where are you from. We have a Jbl store in Angeles city in marquee mall if you're from the north. :)
m from Luna, apayao....province is adjacent to cagayan...di ko masyado napupuntahan ang angeles,  mas malimit ang byahe ko sa baguio n manila. kung alam ko sana earlier, napuntahan ko sana last week, kasi nasa clark ako last saturday for a convention. mas malamang na jan ako papasyal sa shop mo kapag may byahe ako jan sa manila. tnx for the info. cosmic79 says, nasa 28k na ang hk260 mo, any comment on this?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Cosmic79 on May 07, 2011 at 07:11 PM
gud eve Sir Cosmic79, tnx for the advice. at JBLshop at the annex, I auditioned their speakers with music from my cp, feels so good by don potter for the jazz vocals, home of the braves by toto for rock and lucifer by alan parsons project for instrumentals, kaya lang mp3 format, ok lang ba kung mp3? m planning to bring with me a DVD of Yanni live at the acropolis for the audition (sana wag ko lang makalimutan he he pagpunta ko jan sa city. I'm 12hrs drive away)..Sir, if u happen to know these songs, ok bang pang audition? maraming salamat uli.... :)

Ok lang if MP3 ang music mo as sometimes I also bring MP3. What is important is you are quite familiar with the music your bringing so doon ang basis mo if you like the sound or not. Bring the songs or movies that you often listen to or watch na kabisado mo na sila that will help you decide. Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sovrain on May 07, 2011 at 07:14 PM
Sir Sovrain, sa opinion ko bagay ang Polk Audio Tsi or RTi series sa Harman Kardon. Gamit ko Harman Kardon 160 with Polk Audio speakers and ok ang combination. Pwede mo naman audition different speakers sa HK so your ears can choose. When you bring your music files for audition, mag dala ka ng music na may solo vocals and minimal instruments kasi in those type of songs you can gauge how the speakers renders the vocals. I listened to many speakers, pag upbeat and fast disco type songs or fast RnB, the sound is okay. But when you play a jazzy vocal type songs, with solo vocals, the speaker did not render it well. Just pay attention to the details and separations and mga kalansing.
Sir Cosmic79, hope u don't mind, why did u choose hk160 over 260?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on May 07, 2011 at 07:27 PM
I just Bought a new Hk 160 from AVShop. works great. thank mark and his staff.
 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on May 07, 2011 at 10:23 PM
m from Luna, apayao....province is adjacent to cagayan...di ko masyado napupuntahan ang angeles,  mas malimit ang byahe ko sa baguio n manila. kung alam ko sana earlier, napuntahan ko sana last week, kasi nasa clark ako last saturday for a convention. mas malamang na jan ako papasyal sa shop mo kapag may byahe ako jan sa manila. tnx for the info. cosmic79 says, nasa 28k na ang hk260 mo, any comment on this?

Thats an open unit though hardly used. Not a brand new one. Brand new is still 38k. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Cosmic79 on May 07, 2011 at 11:07 PM
Sir Cosmic79, hope u don't mind, why did u choose hk160 over 260?

No problem Sir Sovrain. Reason is limited budget ako and wala pa yung special promo ng HK260 at that time I purchased the 160. Syempre mas gusto ko yung 260 if given a choice. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on May 07, 2011 at 11:39 PM
Thats an open unit though hardly used. Not a brand new one. Brand new is still 38k. :)

Saw this unit and muka talagang bagong bago... very good deal to...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on May 08, 2011 at 02:28 PM
hey guys some thing strange happen to my harman kardon. It just shutdown.
I connected my HK to my PC using a 3.5mm jack to RCA to the rear 7.1 RCA connector. I then installed some polk tsi100 and 16gauge cable. I set the volume to around -25. Its connected directly to a meralco.
I tested this set up late at night and the receiver shutdown. Later I turned it on again and it started working normally. I smelled burnt like smell whenever near it. Good thing the strange thing hasn't happened again. I feel concerned. Should I send it for a check up? :o
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Cosmic79 on May 08, 2011 at 05:23 PM
hey guys some thing strange happen to my harman kardon. It just shutdown.
I connected my HK to my PC using a 3.5mm jack to RCA to the rear 7.1 RCA connector. I then installed some polk tsi100 and 16gauge cable. I set the volume to around -25. Its connected directly to a meralco.
I tested this set up late at night and the receiver shutdown. Later I turned it on again and it started working normally. I smelled burnt like smell whenever near it. Good thing the strange thing hasn't happened again. I feel concerned. Should I send it for a check up? :o
Yes better have your HK checked to be sure. My Harman Kardon is also connected via computer also using the 3.5mm jack to RCA. No problems of shutting down. ( knock on wood ) Only thing is my HK is plugged into a UPS AVR and not directly to the outlet. Though this may not be the solution.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Conan on May 08, 2011 at 06:03 PM
hey guys some thing strange happen to my harman kardon. It just shutdown.
I connected my HK to my PC using a 3.5mm jack to RCA to the rear 7.1 RCA connector. I then installed some polk tsi100 and 16gauge cable. I set the volume to around -25. Its connected directly to a meralco.
I tested this set up late at night and the receiver shutdown. Later I turned it on again and it started working normally. I smelled burnt like smell whenever near it. Good thing the strange thing hasn't happened again. I feel concerned. Should I send it for a check up? :o

Perhaps the speaker wires contacted each other or somehow got shorted?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sovrain on May 09, 2011 at 07:17 AM
Thats an open unit though hardly used. Not a brand new one. Brand new is still 38k. :)
oops,akala ko talagang bumaba na just like US market .Sir AVshop, Cosmic79 says may special promo for 260, ano po yung promo? Sir AVshop, baka may tawad pa sa 260...... xenxa na po kung tumatawad na ako, he he, di pa naman ako galit sa pera para di ako maghangad ng mas mura.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on May 09, 2011 at 08:04 AM
i think the cables are okay. the speakers still work. ill just bring the receiver for checkup.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on May 10, 2011 at 01:07 PM
Guys i want to output hdmi video to my projector  and use the 8/6 channel analog inputs for audio.
what are the settings for this?
Cant seem to get it to run at the same.
when i press 8/6 i only get audio and when i set it to hdmi i only get video.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on Jun 11, 2011 at 12:43 PM
here they are guys harmans new receivers:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20070082-1/harman-intros-four-new-2011-av-receivers/ (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20070082-1/harman-intros-four-new-2011-av-receivers/)

Harman Kardon AVR 1565
    5.1 AV receiver, 50 watts per channel
    Three HDMI 1.4a inputs
    3D video pass-through and audio return channel
    Front panel USB port (for firmware updates only)
    Three digital audio inputs (two optical, one coaxial)
    Basic text on-screen display
    Logic 7 audio processing
 Harman Kardon AVR 1650
    5.1 AV receiver, 65 watts per channel
    Four HDMI 1.4a inputs
    Automatic speaker calibration
    Dolby Volume processing
    Compatible with The Bridge IIIP iPod accessory
    $500 list price; available now
Harman Kardon AVR 2650
    7.1 AV receiver, 85 watts per channel
    Five HDMI inputs
    Ethernet port
    Internet radio streaming, as well as digital music on your network
    Graphical user interface
    Second zone support
    $800 list price; available now
Harman Kardon AVR 3650
    7.1 AV receiver, 100 watts per channel
    Six HDMI inputs, including one front-panel input
    $1,000 list price; available now


 ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Aug 11, 2011 at 11:50 PM
Hk 165 and Hk 265 coming very soon!!! :) still have a few units of Hk 160 and 260 at super sale price. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Aug 24, 2011 at 07:54 AM
Hk 156, 165 and 265 should be arriving today. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Sep 12, 2011 at 03:05 PM
hk 165 and 265 now available. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jtahanlangit on Sep 14, 2011 at 06:08 AM
Sir Marc pm me the price of Harman Kardon AVR165?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Sep 14, 2011 at 05:58 PM
Sir Marc pm me the price of Harman Kardon AVR165?

Sent you pm. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: fitdynamite on Sep 29, 2011 at 09:38 AM
hk 165 and 265 now available. :)
hi sir mark good match ba to sa tsi400,c20 &owm3 nakuha ko from you? Movi 70 music 30%. TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Sep 29, 2011 at 11:49 AM
hi sir mark good match ba to sa tsi400,c20 &owm3 nakuha ko from you? Movi 70 music 30%. TIA

the hk receivers will match very well with the Polk tsi. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: csquinonesph on Sep 30, 2011 at 10:39 AM
Magkano po AVR 165 and 156?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: csquinonesph on Sep 30, 2011 at 11:11 AM
Pati na din po marked down price ng AVR 160 and 260.

On a very tight budget here eh..  ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Oct 01, 2011 at 08:05 AM
Pati na din po marked down price ng AVR 160 and 260.

On a very tight budget here eh..  ;D

Hk 160 - 21k
Hk 260 - 31k

Hk 165 - 25.5k
Hk 265 - 35.5k

:)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: thaudio on Oct 17, 2011 at 10:27 PM
One time I had to hand carry a Harman Kardon for about 2 blocks and my arms became sore and numb dahil sa sobrang bigat. It's solid heavy compared to other receivers.
ako naman hindi sumakit yakangyaka, I have to carry it on my shoulder though.Pagdating bahay nanginginig ako pag baba ng box.Whew....iniisip ko pano kaya pag nagkasunog..malamang ito una kong bubuhatin. Malalaki na kasi anak ko pwede nang tumakbo magisa ;D ::)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: thaudio on Oct 17, 2011 at 10:49 PM
fixed with the firmware update. :)
sir how can i firmware update my hk160
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Oct 17, 2011 at 11:16 PM
sir how can i firmware update my hk160

has to be sent to the service center for updating. why? anything wrong with your hk 160?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: gunslinger on Oct 18, 2011 at 08:29 AM
Also using HK 160. The surround back is not currently being used because of my small space. Only 5.1 is being used right now. I was wondering if the 2 free channels can be used to power 2 passive subs? I read somewhere that this is possible? Can anyone enlighten me on this?

Currently using pilyo amp4v2 for 2 passive 12 inch subs.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: suavegabe on Oct 20, 2011 at 05:18 PM
just got my HK 160 and so far, i'm very happy with the sound. just one concern though; i'm using it with Wharfedale Diamond 9s (9.5, 9.cs, 9.sr) while source is from pch-a210 full BD-rips and I have to crank up the volume before i get to hear any sounds. volume range would be -20 to -8 db for the whole duration of the movie.

is this something i need to be concerned with?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wengkapre on Oct 21, 2011 at 10:04 PM
nagcalibrate ka na ba bro?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: suavegabe on Oct 25, 2011 at 03:22 PM
nagcalibrate ka na ba bro?

sorry for the late reply. yes ginamit ko yung included na mic for autocalibration.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: [r0n1n] on Oct 26, 2011 at 04:03 AM
sorry for the late reply. yes ginamit ko yung included na mic for autocalibration.

e kapag ibang source (i.e dvd or BD), kelangan mo rin bang i-crank up yung volume? if not, baka yung mga BD-rips mo may problem ???
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Oct 26, 2011 at 09:58 AM
new harman kardon receivers now available. :)

hk 156 - 19.5k
hk 165 - 25.5k
hk 265 - 34.5k

prices are on cash basis. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: suavegabe on Oct 28, 2011 at 10:57 AM
hmm. i'l' test it with a BD movie with my ps3 this weekend. playing PS3/Xbox 360 games, DD audio, volume ranges from -18 to -25 db. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: xdope12 on Nov 30, 2011 at 01:51 AM
pano ba icalibrate un hk155 ko? d ko magamit ung parang jack ng mic and may umiikot! matagal narin sakin ung hk155
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 01, 2011 at 08:34 AM
pano ba icalibrate un hk155 ko? d ko magamit ung parang jack ng mic and may umiikot! matagal narin sakin ung hk155

You need to use the calibration mic. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: xdope12 on Dec 01, 2011 at 09:32 AM
pano po ba gamitin un? ^^.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 01, 2011 at 11:26 AM
pano po ba gamitin un? ^^.

just plug it in and follow the onscreen instructions.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: xdope12 on Dec 08, 2011 at 01:02 AM
just plug it in and follow the onscreen instructions.

sir, Hindi ko alam pano ppalabasin ung display sa tv
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jhelenz on Dec 08, 2011 at 01:39 AM
just connect the monitor out of hk 155 to your tv or lcd para maview mo yung osd (on screen display)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ramgos on Dec 13, 2011 at 06:14 PM
Sir, does anybody know if may standby pass through yung HK 156?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: weebie on Dec 16, 2011 at 10:56 AM
Need opinion badly regarding HK 155 and 134? which is better?
I'm choosing from the 2 entry models since my budget is tight..
12.k=134 and 13k for 155.(both 2nd hand) ok na po ba sya?
need advice  ;D
TIA
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 16, 2011 at 07:48 PM
Need opinion badly regarding HK 155 and 134? which is better?
I'm choosing from the 2 entry models since my budget is tight..
12.k=134 and 13k for 155.(both 2nd hand) ok na po ba sya?
need advice  ;D
TIA


Betwen the hk 134 and 155, go for the hk 155. :)

We can offer you the new Hk 156 for 19.5k. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ramgos on Dec 16, 2011 at 09:47 PM
sir Avshop. Thanks for the HK 156. Kahit entry level lang. ganda ng sound sir.  :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: weebie on Dec 16, 2011 at 09:59 PM
@ avshop

Sir may I know what's the difference between 155 and 156?

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 17, 2011 at 10:25 AM
@ avshop

Sir may I know what's the difference between 155 and 156?



The 156 is 3d ready na. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: weebie on Dec 17, 2011 at 05:12 PM
Pahelp po sa settings..

Using optical sa avr 155 connecting to may PC?

Papalabasin ko lang sana yung audio.. ^^ newbie pa lang po
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: stickfighter on Dec 26, 2011 at 07:07 AM
Wanted to share some photos of the Harman Kardon shop I visited here in Abu Dhabi. ;)

(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/402967_10150448796273020_651128019_8728683_1874159137_n.jpg)

(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/406933_10150448796528020_651128019_8728688_1604520428_n.jpg)

(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/396731_10150448796973020_651128019_8728698_2094070309_n.jpg)

(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/393398_10150448797098020_651128019_8728704_698444782_n.jpg)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dj on Dec 27, 2011 at 01:11 PM
^  ganda ng harman shop sir stick!  more pics please ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Dec 27, 2011 at 06:33 PM
Hi sir stick,

Cno pong vini-visit nyo dyan saabu dhabi? Hanngang kelan po kayo dyan?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: stickfighter on Dec 28, 2011 at 01:52 PM
Hi sir stick,

Cno pong vini-visit nyo dyan saabu dhabi? Hanngang kelan po kayo dyan?

Wife ko po sir. Until Jan. 6 po ako dito. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: stickfighter on Dec 28, 2011 at 01:53 PM
^  ganda ng harman shop sir stick!  more pics please ;D

Next stop is Denon & Marantz Shop in Dubai...stay tuned! ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wengkapre on Dec 28, 2011 at 02:49 PM
Next stop is Denon & Marantz Shop in Dubai...stay tuned! ;D

wow brader martin mukhang iikutin mo lahat ng audio shops dyan sa me ha?pwede bang magpadala ng bd player brother ko bro from dubai?  ;D  bawi na lang daw sya on-the-house sa rainforest cafe sa Dubai Mall  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dj on Dec 29, 2011 at 08:24 PM
Next stop is Denon & Marantz Shop in Dubai...stay tuned! ;D

superlike sir stick ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: stickfighter on Dec 30, 2011 at 02:52 PM
wow brader martin mukhang iikutin mo lahat ng audio shops dyan sa me ha?pwede bang magpadala ng bd player brother ko bro from dubai?  ;D  bawi na lang daw sya on-the-house sa rainforest cafe sa Dubai Mall  ;)

Sent you a PM brader Weng! :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: warmaster on Jan 03, 2012 at 08:57 PM
was at megamall earlier and there's a new HK/JBL shop sa may cyberzone called Acoustical Space. they offered me the HK3490 for 25k. it's a nice shop look for marvin if you wanna check them out, very friendly sila dun
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Jan 03, 2012 at 09:39 PM
was at megamall earlier and there's a new HK/JBL shop sa may cyberzone called Acoustical Space. they offered me the HK3490 for 25k. it's a nice shop look for marvin if you wanna check them out, very friendly sila dun

Galing ako dyan yesterday.... I auditioned the JBL ES250p and Sub 12

Ang ganda rin nung HK 660 kaya lang 140k :o
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sdsmds on Jan 03, 2012 at 10:40 PM
Nice to hear that. Im hk owner too. Not to turn you off guys but they do secret deal, personal experience sa Smne. Btw hk 3490 is cheaper sa av shop, eto ba yung stereo? Hope we're talking the same unit.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Jan 03, 2012 at 10:50 PM
Nice to hear that. Im hk owner too. Not to turn you off guys but they do secret deal, personal experience sa Smne. Btw hk 3490 is cheaper sa av shop, eto ba yung stereo? Hope we're talking the same unit.

I think HK 990 po yung stereo sir.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sdsmds on Jan 04, 2012 at 12:43 AM
Sorry the 3490 is a receiver amp (2 channel) & I think 990 is integrated amp.

Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: stickfighter on Jan 06, 2012 at 12:36 AM
Just wanted to share my visit to the Harman Outlets in Dubai, UAE.

(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/376092_10150468621463020_651128019_8835136_2136182829_n.jpg)

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/396508_10150468621653020_651128019_8835137_820350232_n.jpg)

(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377931_10150468621973020_651128019_8835139_1114227644_n.jpg)

(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378506_10150468622028020_651128019_8835140_1057285269_n.jpg)

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/395965_10150468622123020_651128019_8835141_652145737_n.jpg)

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/381708_10150468622193020_651128019_8835142_619935989_n.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Cosmic79 on Jan 07, 2012 at 01:45 AM
Galing ako dyan yesterday.... I auditioned the JBL ES250p and Sub 12

Ang ganda rin nung HK 660 kaya lang 140k :o

Visited the JBL-HK Concept Store sa Cyberzone North EDSA. Friendly rin ang staff and masipag magbenta. Was only planning to browse and the staff persuaded me to listen to their demo ng JBL Northridge E series speakers connected to a Harman Kardon AVR. Movie being played was "How to Train Your Dragon". Ok ang SQ except parang kulang sa "Kick" ang tunog. Maybe it just needs tweaking sa settings. I know maganda ang SQ ng HK. Though the staff told me ang Northridge series is recommended for movies and not for music daw.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nogie on Jan 22, 2012 at 02:54 PM
Visited the JBL-HK Concept Store sa Cyberzone North EDSA. Friendly rin ang staff and masipag magbenta. Was only planning to browse and the staff persuaded me to listen to their demo ng JBL Northridge E series speakers connected to a Harman Kardon AVR. Movie being played was "How to Train Your Dragon". Ok ang SQ except parang kulang sa "Kick" ang tunog. Maybe it just needs tweaking sa settings. I know maganda ang SQ ng HK. Though the staff told me ang Northridge series is recommended for movies and not for music daw.

I have two HK receivers right now (HK AVR745 & HK AVR3600) and my biggest disappointment w/ HK is the EZSet EQ. It sucks bigtime! I have done all tweaks over & over again but I can't get it right. HK is best with EQ set to off and manually calibrated. I think it's time for HK to consider 3rd party EQ for their AVRs.  :(

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: 22owen on Mar 08, 2012 at 09:42 PM
I have two HK receivers right now (HK AVR745 & HK AVR3600) and my biggest disappointment w/ HK is the EZSet EQ. It sucks bigtime! I have done all tweaks over & over again but I can't get it right. HK is best with EQ set to off and manually calibrated. I think it's time for HK to consider 3rd party EQ for their AVRs.  :(



   haaayy im choosing  pa naman sana between hk 156 or yamy rx-v471 as my first receiver tsk..tsk. :'(

kung yun nga mga guro nahihirapan ako pa kaya?  

noob question! yung mga entry level avr po ba like HK156 need calibration everytime you watch HD BLURAY MOVIE through hdmi?
bagay po kaya sa mga first time avr owner like me itong hk156?or maghanap nalang ako ng ibang brand
of avr na hindi mahirap ang settings

    baka kasi masira ulo ko sa settings :o  
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Courage on Mar 08, 2012 at 09:52 PM
  haaayy im choosing  pa naman sana between hk 156 or yamy rx-v471 as my first receiver tsk..tsk. :'(

kung yun nga mga guro nahihirapan ako pa kaya?  

noob question! yung mga entry level avr po ba like HK156 need calibration everytime you watch HD BLURAY MOVIE through hdmi?
bagay po kaya sa mga first time avr owner like me itong hk156?or maghanap nalang ako ng ibang brand
of avr na hindi mahirap ang settings

    baka kasi masira ulo ko sa settings :o  

Almost all my past AVR has Automatic calibration, YPAO and EZSet eq.. but i never tried to use it.. Masaya na ako sa Manual Calibration like making sure all speakers has same level. Then konting adjustment here and there.. Di rin ako guru... Kanya kanyang dinig lang yan.. basta importante abot nang budget and maganda sa pandinig mo...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: raider125jeigh on Mar 08, 2012 at 10:10 PM
Just wanted to share my visit to the Harman Outlets in Dubai, UAE.

(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/376092_10150468621463020_651128019_8835136_2136182829_n.jpg)

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/396508_10150468621653020_651128019_8835137_820350232_n.jpg)

(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377931_10150468621973020_651128019_8835139_1114227644_n.jpg)

(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378506_10150468622028020_651128019_8835140_1057285269_n.jpg)

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/395965_10150468622123020_651128019_8835141_652145737_n.jpg)

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/381708_10150468622193020_651128019_8835142_619935989_n.jpg)

 ;D


nung mga nakasale dyan brader?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: HK on Apr 02, 2012 at 12:42 AM
Hi there! I'm selling my Harman Kardon AVR 330 with DVD 22 and AVR 3600 with BDP1 (US Version-110 volts) because I'm upgrading to HK AVR 7550 HD. I also have brand new (still sealed) Samsung LCD TV-LA32D403 which I got free when I bought my Samsung LED TV. If interested and other details, just PM me.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: [r0n1n] on Apr 02, 2012 at 07:59 AM
Hi there! I'm selling my Harman Kardon AVR 330 with DVD 22 and AVR 3600 with BDP1 (US Version-110 volts) because I'm upgrading to HK AVR 7550 HD. I also have brand new (still sealed) Samsung LCD TV-LA32D403 which I got free when I bought my Samsung LED TV. If interested and other details, just PM me.

Wrong forum sir, post nyo po sa marketplace. Anyway goodluck on your sale ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: defcon3 on May 02, 2012 at 03:42 AM
Just wanted to share my visit to the Harman Outlets in Dubai, UAE.


sir, ask ko lang kung magkano ang hk 990 dyan. thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Allan_2180 on Jun 21, 2012 at 01:24 PM
Mga Sir, ask ko lang,

If I will upgrade from
from AVR240
65 Watts per channel, 20Hz–20kHz,
two channels driven @ 8 ohms
<0.07% THD,
to AVR265
95W per channel,  20Hz – 20kHz,
two channels driven @ 8 ohms,
<0.09% THD

Would it be a night and day difference po
sa sound ng Wharfedale 9.6? or ano kaya ang
mano-notice ko na difference in terms of sound quality?
Thanks!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: metalgodz on Jul 04, 2012 at 12:00 PM
good day pinoydvd!

need help on my hk, where should i go for repair it's out of warranty already.

thank you very much.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: yvesjae on Jul 11, 2012 at 05:11 PM
good day pinoydvd!

need help on my hk, where should i go for repair it's out of warranty already.

thank you very much.

Beyond Innovations Inc
Unit B4 Topy’s Place, Calle Industria cor. Economia St., Libis, Quezon City
Phone: +632 638-4299

will be going there next week to have my avr135 checked.
the standby light is on but it won't turn on if i press the power button on the unit or the remote.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jetstar on Jul 16, 2012 at 02:20 AM
Can I pair H/K with Wharfedale Diamond 9.2/CS/SRs? I'm planning to get an Onkyo but saw the Harman Kardon AVR 2650. I'm upgrading my entry level Yamaha RX-V361.  My room is not that big but I'm tired of the wire clutter of the 361 which don't have HDMI.   Will the sound be night and day for H/K having a high current amp? Please advise.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Sep 20, 2012 at 10:39 PM
Brand new entry level model available for audition. :)


(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/HKAVR70_zps5e7da3d6.jpg)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/HKAVR70-2_zps19410bc1.jpg)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on Sep 21, 2012 at 12:01 AM
Brand new entry level model available for audition. :)


(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/HKAVR70_zps5e7da3d6.jpg)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/HKAVR70-2_zps19410bc1.jpg)

looks like the older generation harman Kardon avr. are they going back to there old designs? it does look nice.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Sep 22, 2012 at 10:55 PM
looks like the older generation harman Kardon avr. are they going back to there old designs? it does look nice.

it sounds very good too considering the entry level price. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Sep 22, 2012 at 10:58 PM
COMING VERY SOON!!! :)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/HKAVR170-1_zps4bed1f76.jpg)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/HKAVR170-2_zps74dc887e.jpg)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on Sep 23, 2012 at 01:47 PM
What? a new model already. This is very different from harman kardon, they usually take a two year cycle to release new models. So do we expect new models ever year now?
I hope the 375 will have pre outs again
Title: harman/kardon avr
Post by: iamlet on Sep 23, 2012 at 06:44 PM
AirPlay? Wow, i just realized my 235 is already too old and definitely needs an update. Please PM target release date.  I need to save for this.  ;)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on Sep 23, 2012 at 10:06 PM
AirPlay? Wow, i just realized my 235 is already too old and definitely needs an update. Please PM target release date.  I need to save for this.  ;)
Heres a auggestion if your just looking for airplay, how about getting an apple tv instead? Saves some bucks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on Sep 26, 2012 at 05:14 PM
did some digging on the new units apparently there is an android app out now for the new models and yes it will work on the new 270 and the 370 too.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: m35ius on Sep 26, 2012 at 11:58 PM
@avshop: thank you for the information about the hk avt 170 (avr 1700 here in the u.s.), sana merong available dito for demo para makita performance =)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: m35ius on Sep 27, 2012 at 01:39 AM
which is a better buy?

harman kardon avr 1700 - http://www.harmankardon.com/EN-US/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?PID=AVR%201700 (http://www.harmankardon.com/EN-US/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?PID=AVR%201700)

or

harman kardon avr 2650 - http://www.harmankardon.com/EN-US/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?PID=AVR%202650 (http://www.harmankardon.com/EN-US/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?PID=AVR%202650)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on Sep 27, 2012 at 09:34 AM
no contest if your looking for power then the 2650 is better.
functionality may the newer 1700.

That's weird ever time i enter the harman kardon usa site i'm always redirected away form it. its very odd and annoying. >:(
I've been getting this fro almost a year.

i wonder if it has anything to do with linking there products to pinoydvd?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rexFi on Nov 06, 2012 at 01:07 PM
Beyond Innovations Inc
Unit B4 Topy’s Place, Calle Industria cor. Economia St., Libis, Quezon City
Phone: +632 638-4299

will be going there next week to have my avr135 checked.
the standby light is on but it won't turn on if i press the power button on the unit or the remote.

UP :)

Hi sir, I had the same problem and sent it this morning sa B.I. :D

Naayos po ba sa inyo? How much nagastos niyo? hehe mine is the older HK AVR 134, dadiagnose pa daw. ^_^
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on Nov 27, 2012 at 06:51 PM
The new harman kardon receivers will feature a digital power supply, so it's lighter than the older models.  The advatage of this new amp is it can switch between 110 to 220 on the fly. It's amplifier is still class ab though.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on Nov 29, 2012 at 04:20 PM
found this one on the harman kardon website.
THe AVR 270:
http://pl.harmankardon.com/harman-kardon-product-detail-uk/avr-270v2.html (http://pl.harmankardon.com/harman-kardon-product-detail-uk/avr-270v2.html)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rexFi on Dec 03, 2012 at 12:43 PM
UP :)

Hi sir, I had the same problem and sent it this morning sa B.I. :D

Naayos po ba sa inyo? How much nagastos niyo? hehe mine is the older HK AVR 134, dadiagnose pa daw. ^_^

Update lang. Naayos naman ng Service Center (sa Topy's) receiver namin.

Good job. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sdsmds on Dec 04, 2012 at 04:17 AM
Update lang. Naayos naman ng Service Center (sa Topy's) receiver namin.

Good job. :)
saan yung Topy's bro? Tia
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wgx428 on Dec 05, 2012 at 06:08 PM
tanong lang ng availability at price ng AVR 170 at AVR 270.  salamat.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nesty on Dec 05, 2012 at 06:43 PM
To the Harman owners,

I just want to ask. Historically harman is 70% Music / 30% HT a few years back.
My question is ganun pa rin ba yung new models nowadays? thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on Dec 06, 2012 at 09:10 AM
I dont think there is any criteria for 70% Music / 30% HT. All i know is, if it sounds good then its good.
i did a side by side between my hk 1600 and pioneer 819  and i find the hk'S dialogue to be slightly muffled and its bass is very good while the pioneer dialogue sounded clearer but the bass slightly less. I think they did some changes on the 170.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nesty on Dec 06, 2012 at 11:46 PM
Thanks for the feedback. Dati kasi afaik HK 70/30 models music/ht sila. Previously, plan ko palitan denon ko to a pure music amp like rega or rotel. pero i change my mind and I'm now looking for avr para 2 in 1.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 06, 2012 at 11:58 PM
Thanks for the feedback. Dati kasi afaik HK 70/30 models music/ht sila. Previously, plan ko palitan denon ko to a pure music amp like rega or rotel. pero i change my mind and I'm now looking for avr para 2 in 1.

Dedicated integrated amps will usually sound better for music than home theate receivers. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on Dec 11, 2012 at 01:45 PM
harman kardon avr 370 will have preouts. http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008ZBP3W6/elektronik_amba2-21 (http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008ZBP3W6/elektronik_amba2-21)
and surprisingly 4k, vtuner, airplay and an iphone app. im glad harman is goind hi tech with there line. now i wonderif it will sound as good as there older models.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 11, 2012 at 02:02 PM
HARMAN KARDON AVR 70 SERIES

AVR 70 - 22,500 srp

Audio/video receiver with 5.1 channels
75 watts per channel
Featuring three HDMI® inputs with 3D and Audio Return Channel
Dolby® and DTS® surround-sound modes
On-screen display and IR remote

Movie theater quality 3D
• HDMI with 3D and Audio Return Channel
• Powerful 5.1-channel surround system
• Decodes virtually all Dolby Digital and DTS® soundtracks

Extensive connectivity
• Three HDMI inputs
• Front-panel USB port plays MP3 and WMA files
• Superb audio from all your DVDs, Blu-ray Disc™ media and video games
• BTA 10 Bluetooth Adaptor: stream audio from compatible Bluetooth devices (SRP at 3890)

AVR 170 - 29,900 srp

• 100 watts per channel
• Six HDMI inputs with 3D and Audio Return Channel
• 5.1-channel surround sound
• Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding
• Logic 7® surround processing
• DLNA Certified® 1.5 connectivity
• AirPlay wireless music streaming
• Front-panel USB port for music file playback and iOS devices
• HARMAN headphone surround mode
• EzSet/EQ™ maximizes sonic performance

Movie theater quality viewing
• HDMI with 3D, Audio Return Channel, CEC and Deep Color
• Powerful 5.1-channel surround system
• Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™ decoding
• Supreme connectivity
• DLNA Certified® 1.5 Ethernet connectivity
• AirPlay enabled
• Front-panel USB port plays MP3 and WMA files, and connects to iOS devices
• Control applications for Apple and Android products
Available downloads
• Control applications for compatible Apple products
• Control applications for compatible Android products
• HARMAN Media Manager

Optional Accessory (SRP at 3890)
• BTA 10 Bluetooth Adaptor: stream audio from compatible Bluetooth devices

AVR 270 - 49,990

• 100 watts per channel
• Eight HDMI inputs with 3D and Audio Return Channel, including one on the front panel, and two HDMI inputs
• 7.1-channel surround sound
• Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding
• Multizone functionality
• Dolby Volume
• DLNA Certified 1.5 connectivity
• AirPlay audio streaming
• High-definition user interface
• 4K video pass-through and upscaling
• EzSet/EQ™ technology (maximises sonic performance)
• Free downloadable control applications for smartphones and tablets with Android applications or iOS software

Movie-theatre-quality viewing
• HDMI with 3D, Audio Return Channel, CEC and Deep Colour
• Powerful 7.1-channel surround system
• Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™ decoding
• Dolby Volume (for constant audio level regardless of changes in program content)
• Supreme connectivity
• DLNA Certified 1.5 connectivity
• AirPlay-enabled
• 4K video pass-through and upscaling
• Control applications for Apple and Android™ products
Available downloads
• Control applications for Apple products
• Control applications for Android products
• HARMAN Media Manager

AVR 370 - no price yet

• 125 watts per channel
• Eight HDMI inputs with 3D and Audio Return Channel including one on the front panel, and two HDMI outputs
• 7.2-channel surround sound
• Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding
• Multizone functionality
• Built-in Wi-Fi and AirPlay audio streaming
• DLNA Certified® 1.5 connectivity
• High-definition user interface
• 4K video pass-through and scaling
• Full preamp outputs for use with external power amplifiers
• Complete Zone 2 audio system with remote control
• EzSet/EQ™ technology maximizes sonic performance
• Free downloadable control applications for smartphones and tablets with iOS software and Android application
Cinematic experience
• HDMI with 3D, Audio Return Channel, CEC and Deep Colour
• Powerful 7.2-channel surround system
• Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™ decoding
• Supreme connectivity
• Built-in Wi-Fi networking
• AirPlay-enabled
• 4K video pass-through and scaling
• Control applications for Apple and Android™ products

:)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 12, 2012 at 10:07 AM
edited price of avr 270. it should be 49,990 pala. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wgx428 on Dec 12, 2012 at 08:04 PM
salamat sa pricing.  pa-pm naman ng contact information at address ng shop ninyo, try ko dumaan ng 3rd week ng january.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 12, 2012 at 11:14 PM
MLY ENTERPRISES. Unit 303 Amaremca Bldg. 107a kalayaan avenue, diliman, quezon city. Tel no. 435-3210. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 14, 2012 at 09:46 AM
New Hk 170 and Hk 270 available for audition. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on Dec 14, 2012 at 03:15 PM
wow i don't understand USA harman kardon website? Why do they need to block my ip address. it is very puzzling. i never get blocked by the other big brands like denon, onkyo, pioneer or anthem
i guess they dont want my business.
Very disappointing harman, the way you treat your customers.
>:(
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: rexFi on Dec 18, 2012 at 01:17 PM
New Hk 170 and Hk 270 available for audition. :)

Sa holiday season? Open kayo sir? e.g. Dec 26-27th? :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: avshop on Dec 18, 2012 at 06:49 PM
Sa holiday season? Open kayo sir? e.g. Dec 26-27th? :)

Yup. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Toink on Jan 14, 2013 at 03:45 PM
Im planning to purchase the HK AVR 1700 (AVR 170) since its now on sale here at Best Buy for only $199. My question is does it have optical/coaxial outputs? Planning to hook it up temporarily to my Yamaha soundbar which has only a optical and coaxial input for digital sources.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Toink on Jan 15, 2013 at 06:22 AM
Just bought the avr 1700. Now to look for good 5.1 speakers :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Stagea on Jan 16, 2013 at 12:21 AM
Just bought the avr 1700. Now to look for good 5.1 speakers :)

Congrats with your new AVR. :)

The new Harman AVRs run SMPS power supplies to supposedly reduce their carbon footprint (reduced power consumption, material requirement and shipping weight). I think the reduced manufacturing cost is an unadvertised driver for this move as well.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Toink on Jan 16, 2013 at 03:32 AM
Thank you Stagea! :)

Haven't tested audio yet since the only speaker i have now is a yamaha soundbar. Tested video using a Sony BD player and my xboix 360 and no issues. Can't wait to get 5.1 speakers.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: killer_smile3 on Jan 29, 2013 at 03:27 AM
I have two HK receivers right now (HK AVR745 & HK AVR3600) and my biggest disappointment w/ HK is the EZSet EQ. It sucks bigtime! I have done all tweaks over & over again but I can't get it right. HK is best with EQ set to off and manually calibrated. I think it's time for HK to consider 3rd party EQ for their AVRs.  :(



I totally agree with this post. Pero pag nag manual ka na..... BOOM! Sobrang ganda na ng tunog.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ninjababez® on Jan 29, 2013 at 07:08 AM
I totally agree with this post. Pero pag nag manual ka na..... BOOM! Sobrang ganda na ng tunog.
so bro tax magpapalit ka na ng receiver?  :P
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: levi on Apr 19, 2013 at 11:06 PM
Anyone using the AVR 370? Im choosing between the 270 and 370.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Tavus on Apr 21, 2013 at 11:32 AM
well get the best you can afford. AVR 370
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: cbotc on May 10, 2013 at 04:51 PM
Does HK go well with B&W 600 series speakers?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: spongebob on Jul 03, 2013 at 10:16 PM
Saan po ba makaka bili ng Harman Kardon HK-3390?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Aug 10, 2013 at 07:22 PM
Saan po ba makaka bili ng Harman Kardon HK-3390?


We do have them bro. PM me
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Justonce on Aug 12, 2013 at 11:20 AM
Can you give me a feedback on AVR70 will run it on Polk audio speakers
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Aug 12, 2013 at 03:04 PM
I noticed that the new models starting from the entry level going up has their "per watt" channel increased.

Is this a good thing? I know harman kardon tends to be conservative on what they put on their specs (watts per channel).

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Aug 15, 2013 at 03:43 PM
Can you give me a feedback on AVR70 will run it on Polk audio speakers

What model ng polk audio speakers popower mo sir?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Aug 16, 2013 at 04:07 PM
I have a roomate who is leaving so he gave to me his avr240. Anyway, im looking for a front speaker that is match and can be handled by my avr. Can anyone recommend a bookshelf type speaker?

Just in the entry level or mid level one lang po..

Thanks,
Christian
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Aug 16, 2013 at 04:12 PM
I have a roomate who is leaving so he gave to me his avr240. Anyway, im looking for a front speaker that is match and can be handled by my avr. Can anyone recommend a bookshelf type speaker?

Just in the entry level or mid level one lang po..

Thanks,
Christian

Check mo bro JBL and Infinity Primus speakers...
Sa JBL "The Fort" maganda mag-audition coz they also have Harman Kardon AVRs :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Aug 16, 2013 at 04:42 PM
Tnx bro..kaso dito ako sa uae katulad ni jhamee :) mayron ka bang model na alam  na sa tingin okay na match sa 240 ko?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Aug 16, 2013 at 04:45 PM
Tnx bro..kaso dito ako sa uae katulad ni jhamee :) mayron ka bang model na alam  na sa tingin okay na match sa 240 ko?

Di ako masyadong familiar sa JBL models eh. But what I used before was the LS series...
Nung pinakinggan ko cya before driven by Harman AVR, the combination is very musical :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jh@meeh on Aug 16, 2013 at 05:15 PM
Keema sa Al Wadah Mall extension 3rd floor may Harman Kardon Shop at madaming JBL na bookshelves speaker, pwede mong audition..Naka setup na pati Harman na AVR.

Pwede mo rin audition ang "BOSE" >:D....May shop din dun..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on Aug 16, 2013 at 06:19 PM
brader jhameeh! gusto mo samahan mo ako sa al wadha ng makapag suggest ka din? hehehe
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jh@meeh on Aug 16, 2013 at 06:27 PM
oo ba. punta ako jan mamaya hapon sa city, daanan kita kung gusto mo at kung hindi ka busy..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: -mhan- on Oct 08, 2013 at 08:52 AM
wow may HK AVR70 na pala. ;D

naguguluhan ako tuloy.

HK avr70?
Onkyo 525?
Marantz NR1403?

pasok parin sa budget, hirap lang pumili. :P
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: -mhan- on Oct 15, 2013 at 10:50 AM
i decided na Harman Kardon AVR170 na kunin ko.

im excited na. ;D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Oct 16, 2013 at 02:50 PM
i decided na Harman Kardon AVR170 na kunin ko.

im excited na. ;D

Good choice bro!
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: -mhan- on Oct 21, 2013 at 09:23 AM
sir tein, anu oras po kayo nagsara kahapon dumaan ako sa shop niyo around 5pm na ata?

gusto ko lang mag audi sa POLK tsx series na imamatch sa HK AVR170.



pero anu mas ok sir na imatch sa HK AVR170

POLK tsx o JBL loft series.

more on music 65%/35% movies.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Oct 21, 2013 at 03:16 PM
sir tein, anu oras po kayo nagsara kahapon dumaan ako sa shop niyo around 5pm na ata?

gusto ko lang mag audi sa POLK tsx series na imamatch sa HK AVR170.



pero anu mas ok sir na imatch sa HK AVR170

POLK tsx o JBL loft series.

more on music 65%/35% movies.

Sir baka sa old shop namin yun hehe, yun bago andito sa 77 N.Roxas. 12:30pm - 8:00pm bro
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Oct 21, 2013 at 03:17 PM
sir tein, anu oras po kayo nagsara kahapon dumaan ako sa shop niyo around 5pm na ata?

gusto ko lang mag audi sa POLK tsx series na imamatch sa HK AVR170.

Primus and TSx series mag ka match sir, si Loft sir ibang division sya sir, both will sound good naman with the avr170, it will just depende nalang sa tuning and listening preference nyo sir.


pero anu mas ok sir na imatch sa HK AVR170

POLK tsx o JBL loft series.

more on music 65%/35% movies.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Oct 29, 2013 at 07:13 PM
WHy Harman kardon avr370 series is our favorite / best seller! Please do feel free to read them :) We personally own the Harman kardon AVR370 aswell :)

http://www.digitaltrends.com/receivers-separates-amps-reviews/harman-kardon-avr-3700-review/
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: blue_toothme on Nov 14, 2013 at 07:19 PM
match kaya yun avr70 sa wharfdale 9.1?

btw where can I get pricelist for avr70 and avr170?

thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Yrbyn on Nov 15, 2013 at 08:54 AM
sino po na ka try na ng HK 3490? thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: joesat on Nov 16, 2013 at 05:17 PM
tanong lang po..anong feature meron ang HK na pantapat sa audessey ng denon?thanx
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Nov 22, 2013 at 09:48 AM
sa mga naka hk340,

anong way para maka connect ng mp3 player that will still sound good?

also ano solution sa weak signal ng fm radio?

Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: [r0n1n] on Nov 22, 2013 at 10:00 AM
sa mga naka hk340,

anong way para maka connect ng mp3 player that will still sound good?

also ano solution sa weak signal ng fm radio?



Regardless of amp, i-connect mo sa dac brader. Yung sa radio nman i-tap mo lang sa kahit anong metal gaganda na reception nyan. O kung may rabbit ear antenna ka mas ok yun

Edit: yung mp3 player mo pala may dock?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: dencio105 on Nov 22, 2013 at 10:02 AM
tanong lang po..anong feature meron ang HK na pantapat sa audessey ng denon?thanx

EZSet/EQ
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: alx on Nov 22, 2013 at 10:33 AM
Regardless of amp, i-connect mo sa dac brader. Yung sa radio nman i-tap mo lang sa kahit anong metal gaganda na reception nyan. O kung may rabbit ear antenna ka mas ok yun

Edit: yung mp3 player mo pala may dock?

sir ginamitan ko kasi ng rca - one end yun red and white and the other end yun pang earphone jack.

ang pangit ng tunog.. haha

what do you mean by dac? yun gadget na digital to analog converter?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: [r0n1n] on Nov 22, 2013 at 03:40 PM
@alx, oo yun nga kaya ko naitanong kung may docking station ka kasi usually from dock to dac, usb ang connection. Pm mo na lang ako kung may question ka, OT na tayo :D
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: bravoexo on Dec 13, 2013 at 07:32 AM
Hi, anyone have experience with an AVR330 and how to configure passthrough of the optical out?

I connected the optical out of the receiver to the optical in of a HTiB, but I don't think it's working if the input off the receiver is also from one of the Optical in's source input.  (I was hoping it was always on 'passthrough')

I'm trying to see if I can use 7.1 with just the HTiB's 5.1 and two Wharfedale's 8.4. 
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nolsky on Feb 05, 2014 at 11:05 PM
I have an old AVR255 that's dying. The service people are still trying to figure out If they can fix it. So, there's a chance that I may need to replace at. Anong equivalent nung AVR255 ko sa current line up ng HK?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: enargie on Feb 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM
May ma-irerecommend ba kayo na mahusay magrepair ng harman avr aside from the authorized service center? Ayaw tumunog ung front left speaker. Tried connecting other working speaker to check if speaker ang sira pero ayaw pa rin tumunog so baka ung avr ang may problem. Nag back read ako to check reputation ng harman service center and there were bad feedbacks. Thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Feb 14, 2014 at 02:32 PM
I have an old AVR255 that's dying. The service people are still trying to figure out If they can fix it. So, there's a chance that I may need to replace at. Anong equivalent nung AVR255 ko sa current line up ng HK?

AVR171 sir. 255's are good amp sir, are you using voltage regulators for them?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Feb 14, 2014 at 02:34 PM
Hi, anyone have experience with an AVR330 and how to configure passthrough of the optical out?

I connected the optical out of the receiver to the optical in of a HTiB, but I don't think it's working if the input off the receiver is also from one of the Optical in's source input.  (I was hoping it was always on 'passthrough')

I'm trying to see if I can use 7.1 with just the HTiB's 5.1 and two Wharfedale's 8.4. 

To fully utilize 7.1, mas ok if hdmi gamit rather optical sir. And dapat optical out sya from the source not IN sir.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Feb 14, 2014 at 02:35 PM
May ma-irerecommend ba kayo na mahusay magrepair ng harman avr aside from the authorized service center? Ayaw tumunog ung front left speaker. Tried connecting other working speaker to check if speaker ang sira pero ayaw pa rin tumunog so baka ung avr ang may problem. Nag back read ako to check reputation ng harman service center and there were bad feedbacks. Thanks


Whats your avr's model sir?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: nolsky on Feb 16, 2014 at 04:38 PM
AVR171 sir. 255's are good amp sir, are you using voltage regulators for them?


Yes, I am. The problem is with the HDMI. It can't seem to consistently receive the signal from any of my sources.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Feb 17, 2014 at 07:30 PM
Yes, I am. The problem is with the HDMI. It can't seem to consistently receive the signal from any of my sources.

Na check na ba sir? if i may ask, anu sources meron ka sir.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: enargie on Feb 17, 2014 at 08:37 PM

Whats your avr's model sir?
Sir AVR 135
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: sebman on Mar 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM
bossing tanong naman sa mga HK experts, me HK AVR3600 ako then connected sa LG BD/3d player. pano palalabasin boss na maging TrueDD or DTS-HD ung lumabas na format sa receiver pero 5.1 lang? connected via generic HDMI cable sya from CDR king. dati meron akong AVR235 automatic nadedetect nung receiver kung DD or DTS ung track ko na play via digital connection. dito sa AVR3600 nde pede ung ganon? thanks
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Mar 19, 2014 at 01:50 PM
Are you playing the same movie?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Mar 19, 2014 at 01:50 PM
@sebman make sure to set your " Surround Mode" to auto sa 3600, baka nasa ibang settings sya sir
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: khestoi on Apr 14, 2014 at 07:09 PM
May problema na hk160 ko. Sa unang bukas ok sya. Hdmi sources.  Pag pinatay mo tapos binuksan after some time eh laging no signal na sa tv miski ok ung hdmi sources.  Ps3 at pc ang sources ko.  Di lumilitaw ung osd tapos pag speaker test minsan choppy o kaya walang sound unless itodo ung volume.  Pag fm or other sources ok naman.  Speaker test ok din.  May nakakaexperience ba nito? San ko kaya pede irepair ito?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: keema on May 23, 2014 at 06:26 PM
Hi Everyone,

I just want to ask which bookshelf speakers, model and brand, can be driven by my amp, Harman Kardon avr240, easily?

Thanks.. :)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on May 23, 2014 at 07:49 PM
Hi Everyone,

I just want to ask which bookshelf speakers, model and brand, can be driven by my amp, Harman Kardon avr240, easily?

Thanks.. :)

Infinity Primus , Boston Acoustics A-Series
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jordan234 on Jun 22, 2014 at 08:41 PM
Balak ko bumili sa 1st week ng July avr, pinagpipilian ko lang HK 170 vs. Pioneer vsx 923-k, help naman po kng alin Sa dalawa ma's sulit money, thanks....
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Jun 23, 2014 at 02:33 PM
HK171 ba sir? if yes, i'd go for 171.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jordan234 on Jun 25, 2014 at 08:11 PM
HK 170 lang budget ko bossing...
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: tein on Jun 26, 2014 at 05:25 PM
HK 170 lang budget ko bossing...

Luma na boss. ito new models.

♦avr151 - P22,500
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Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jordan234 on Jun 27, 2014 at 10:52 PM
Thanks bossing
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Oragonon on Jul 17, 2014 at 03:22 PM
my hk 145 died its worth to repair pa ba? transformer daw sabi technician.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ramsey on Jul 25, 2014 at 01:42 PM
Any one knows what year HK 340 series(140, 240....) came out?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: lafargelime on Aug 23, 2014 at 10:21 PM
mga sir ano po ba bagay na sub for my HK3390 , im planning to buy one, match kaya ung psw111 ng polk? im using it for pure music lang
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: wengkapre on Aug 29, 2014 at 02:58 PM
mga sir ano po ba bagay na sub for my HK3390 , im planning to buy one, match kaya ung psw111 ng polk? im using it for pure music lang

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Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: jelloatad on Nov 10, 2014 at 01:57 PM
is HK good in movies? ::)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: newbie pa rin on Dec 17, 2014 at 05:09 PM
HK is good for both movies and music
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: ash0279 on Feb 09, 2015 at 07:43 PM
May ma-irerecommend ba kayo na mahusay magrepair ng harman avr aside from the authorized service center? Ayaw tumunog ung front left speaker. Tried connecting other working speaker to check if speaker ang sira pero ayaw pa rin tumunog so baka ung avr ang may problem. Nag back read ako to check reputation ng harman service center and there were bad feedbacks. Thanks

up for this same question.. my bro in law handed me down his AVR-340, which was recently repaired sa service center in Libis, due to protection circuit problem.. no audio before, suspected na naka max-volume / output surge, kaya nag-act up yung protection circut.. "daw".. it was repaired back then, after just couple of months, bumigay uli, having the same no audio problem..

dalhin ko na sana uli sa Libis, pero parang nagdadalawang isip na rin ako,, and besides medyo malayo na from my location in Cavite.. appreciate kung may mga alternative good repair shops kayo na pwede subukan..
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: juneaki on Oct 16, 2016 at 03:05 PM
I have an HK AVR 255 for my HT setup. I'm using it in a 5.1 setup for three years although it is capable of 7.1 setup. I'm using all Mission speakers. Just recently, I bought a second hand Konzert surround speakers to try the 7.1 capability of the AVR 255. I'm hearing some scratching sound from the right surround back channel! What do you think causes this. I'm afraid it will damage the speaker in the long run hence I returned to 5.1 setup.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: juneaki on Oct 18, 2016 at 03:33 AM
I have an HK AVR 255 for my HT setup. I'm using it in a 5.1 setup for three years although it is capable of 7.1 setup. I'm using all Mission speakers. Just recently, I bought a second hand Konzert surround speakers to try the 7.1 capability of the AVR 255. I'm hearing some scratching sound from the right surround back channel! What do you think causes this. I'm afraid it will damage the speaker in the long run hence I returned to 5.1 setup.

Any feedback from the masters of Pdvd?
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: kimosabe on Jan 20, 2018 at 07:40 AM
Hi guys... ask ko lang kung saan nakakabili ng FM Antenna ng HK AVR? Nginangat kasi ng daga.

Thanks.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: simonzaide on Jan 11, 2019 at 10:42 PM
Hi. I jist want to ask how you guys set up the optical input. Is there a special setting you do when you use an optical source.

Im currently using an hk990 and i cant seem to play using an optical input
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Pipo_1925 on Jan 12, 2019 at 01:36 AM
Hi. I jist want to ask how you guys set up the optical input. Is there a special setting you do when you use an optical source.

Im currently using an hk990 and i cant seem to play using an optical input

S/pdif settings sir sa player.
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: simonzaide on Jan 13, 2019 at 09:47 PM
Sir configured the minix already to output via spdif. Auto detect ba dapat siya sa amp
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: enygma on Jul 21, 2019 at 01:44 PM
Replaced the memory capacitor oy my old receiver, AVR-5500. Enjoying it again after I bought it 16 yrs ago. Buti na lang di ko dinala sa service center dahil malayo sya. My friend advised me to bring it to a technician located near to us. Wala pang isang araw tapos na sya =)
Title: Re: harman/kardon avr
Post by: Pipo_1925 on Dec 19, 2020 at 03:39 PM
guys,

saan ok mag pagawa ng amplifier?
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