Author Topic: Recommend a Projector (Read 68551 times)

DViant · « **Reply #120 on:** Jul 22, 2003 at 01:07 AM »

don,

get whatever gets you off. my preference for the X1 (i love my baby) is from being spoiled from my previous office DLP projector. I've seen a demo in a sharp, canon & ekea(?) lcd projectors and the issues that these projectors have before like the screen door effect is there.

also DLP technology is the choice for the forthcomming D-Cinema standard for digital projected theaters. sure the x1 doesn't do 2K or 3K resolutions but the technology is the same. so if it's good enough for George Lucas then it is good enough for me.

don · « **Reply #121 on:** Jul 22, 2003 at 08:18 PM »

bigbird, $1k lang budget ko hehehe

DViant,

I guess I really need to demo the X1

I'll take my time to decide.

Thanks guys!

kimera · « **Reply #122 on:** Jul 24, 2003 at 08:07 AM »

Quote from: don on Jul 22, 2003 at 08:18 PM

bigbird, $1k lang budget ko hehehe

DViant,

I guess I really need to demo the X1 I'll take my time to decide.

Thanks guys!

chief,

i've seen the S1 in action and comparing with the Z1 and X1, looks like it wont hit it big, esp that the X1 is still cheaper and the Z1 going down on prices lately

but then again it could be the setup of the seller, but what i saw didnt impress me

its up to you anyway, demo the S1 and try to at least do a side by side with either X1 and Z1

tip: for a few dollars more, id say get the Z1 (am i biased? hehehe but i do own an X1 too so not really biased at all...cheers!)

@bigbird: hows your Z1? its really quite a big leap isnt it? from a 28" TV to a 110" cinema like experience......what i did for my vga cable is i used UTP CAT5E cables and made it up myself, using the appropriate VGA connectors, i dont see any difference when im using that and the 6feet vga cable i bought

bigbird2323 · « **Reply #123 on:** Jul 24, 2003 at 09:17 AM »

Yes indeed,actually i came from 7 years old conventional non flat tv,so you could imagine my shock when I saw how good a picture this thing can deliver even on my light blue wall.the reason why I went with the z1 instead of a x1 is because during my one month of research on the net,esp in the avsforum.I can probably recall at least 3 threads where in actual side to side shootout from people who have access to both this fp,the z1 came out on top .although many said this two can be made to be to look like one another,I guess it all bolis the to whether you want a 4:3 or 16:9,with regards to screendoor,it can be remedid by sitting further than the recomended 1.5 or by a slight defocus while rainbow has no cure if you can see it,bottomline just choose your poison.

PS:this is just my personal opinion. I hope I dont get flamed hehe.as deviant said ,get whatever gets you off

evergliden · « **Reply #124 on:** Jul 24, 2003 at 09:18 AM »

nice one bigbird! congrats! enjoy your z1 !

bigbird2323 · « **Reply #125 on:** Jul 26, 2003 at 12:20 AM »

thanks evergliden,until now i still can't believe how good this thing is.the only drawback is that I have a lot of P* disk and they look like crap when viewed at a 92" screen.so from now on p*disk wont be an option for me anymore hehehe.btw I'm right now I'm projecting it at a 45x80 DIY blackout cloth,I can only imagine what it will look like with a dalite highpower

don · « **Reply #126 on:** Jul 26, 2003 at 11:20 AM »

Quote from: kimera on Jul 24, 2003 at 08:07 AM

chief,

i've seen the S1 in action and comparing with the Z1 and X1, looks like it wont hit it big, esp that the X1 is still cheaper and the Z1 going down on prices lately

but then again it could be the setup of the seller, but what i saw didnt impress me

its up to you anyway, demo the S1 and try to at least do a side by side with either X1 and Z1

tip: for a few dollars more, id say get the Z1 (am i biased? hehehe but i do own an X1 too so not really biased at all...cheers!)

Thanks kimera! Btw, can the x1 perform well in a well-lit environment?

I'll try to demo these projectors. Thanks guys! I still have a month to decide.

kimera · « **Reply #127 on:** Jul 26, 2003 at 02:36 PM »

Quote from: don on Jul 26, 2003 at 11:20 AM

Thanks kimera! Btw, can the x1 perform well in a well-lit environment?

I'll try to demo these projectors. Thanks guys! I still have a month to decide.

unfortunately, NO, these pjs are not good in well-lit rooms, well most front projection systems arent good at well-lit environments even the much expensive ones, and since we're talking about entry level pjs, sad to say they dont "shine" when there's light around

i believe only high-end CRT pjs can produce decent projection on lit areas,

and besides, mas oks manuod kapag medyo madilim di ba, btw, you can have ample lights in your HT room para naman nde ka mangapa sa dilim hehehe as long as the light doesnt hit/touch/reach your projection screen, display would still be fantastic

goodluck

don · « **Reply #128 on:** Aug 06, 2003 at 03:44 PM »

There are two units of Epson S1 being used at Greenbelt 3 Food Court.

Screendoor effect, is quite noticeable when you're near the screen. But it performs well pag malayo ka, even in a well-lit environment.

Hmmm... I wonder if these LCD units will last... Around 12 - 14 hrs non-stop gamit nila...

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Kimera,

Any new tweaks that you made for your X1?
I'm kinda leaning towards it.

Were youy able to get rid most of the rainbows?

Thanks!

Don

kawboy · « **Reply #129 on:** Aug 06, 2003 at 05:05 PM »

just an additional info re: Epson's S1, a friend of mine is selling me these units...

2 years ang warranty nung unit and 6 months para sa bulb. nakalagay sa specs na 2000 hrs ang lamp life e.

don · « **Reply #130 on:** Aug 07, 2003 at 04:10 PM »

Quote from: kawboy on Aug 06, 2003 at 05:05 PM

just an additional info re: Epson's S1, a friend of mine is selling me these units...

2 years ang warranty nung unit and 6 months para sa bulb. nakalagay sa specs na 2000 hrs ang lamp life e.

bro. how much?

kawboy · « **Reply #131 on:** Aug 07, 2003 at 05:03 PM »

Don, sent you a pm.

angeline444 · « **Reply #132 on:** Aug 08, 2003 at 09:15 AM »

I need a projector , my budget is between 80k to 130k, we'll be using it for presentations, and sometimes videos . pls help.

Thanks.

MS · « **Reply #133 on:** Aug 08, 2003 at 10:18 AM »

Quote from: angeline444 on Aug 08, 2003 at 09:15 AM

I need a projector , my budget is between 80k to 130k, we'll be using it for presentations, and sometimes videos . pls help.

Thanks.

Hanapin mo si Guru Dviant. Daming alam non pagdating sa mga HT. Maraming matutulong yon!

Compaq · « **Reply #134 on:** Aug 08, 2003 at 10:45 AM »

Quote from: angeline444 on Aug 08, 2003 at 09:15 AM

I need a projector , my budget is between 80k to 130k, we'll be using it for presentations, and sometimes videos . pls help.

Thanks.

Hi angeline444, Welcome to PinoyDVD.

You may also want to visit Sonny Tuazon of Home Theater (812-52-35).

Cheers!!!
Compaq

angeline444 · « **Reply #135 on:** Aug 09, 2003 at 11:42 AM »

thanks Compaq, what brands of projectors does mr. Tuazon carry?, do u know his e mail ad?

THanks

don · « **Reply #136 on:** Aug 10, 2003 at 02:35 AM »

kawboy - Tnx!

Kimera and Dviant - How's the image quality, when you set the X1 to presentation mode? I'm planning to use it as a part time presentation projector (lit areas)...

Thanks in advance guys!

Don

bigbird2323 · « **Reply #137 on:** Aug 11, 2003 at 02:12 AM »

hi angelinee 444,sent you a pm.

teban888 · « **Reply #138 on:** Aug 17, 2003 at 03:31 PM »

hi all,
I would just like to share my experience on projectors based on my experience.
back projecting to a tracing paper improves the brightness of the projector, any light source touching aside from the projector touching the tracing paper must be blocked for optimal image quality. my plan is to have a customized stained glass as my screen. My infocus lp400 dlp projector's capacity is only 700 ansi lumens, it is bright enough even with the lights on but what we all want is the brightest image as possible, that's why I thought of this idea.
hope this helps

teban888 · « **Reply #139 on:** Aug 17, 2003 at 03:41 PM »

Quote from: don on Jul 21, 2003 at 08:24 PM

Congratulations bigbird!!!

Since I'm kinda scared about the rainbow effects on X1...

I think I'm going to take the plunge with an Epson Powerlite S1(LCD) . I've seen it perform on TechTV - ScreenSavers ... Even with a TV studio environment, the video was still viewable (Pearl Harbor DVD)...

I checked out the specs, ok naman. 1200 ANSI Lumens, HDTV, 4:3/16:9... They have a fix for the screendoor effect, even though visible ok na daw.

BTW, it costs $999 (U.S.) ...

A local distributor (Audio Visual) sells it at 72k.

Guys what do you think?

just my 2 cents:
at your budget of $999, get yourself a dlp projector.
a dlp is a dlp and an lcd cannot be a dlp. although lcd projectors have gone a long way in terms of picture quality, still it just comes close to a dlp performance.

hope this helps

DViant · « **Reply #140 on:** Aug 17, 2003 at 06:34 PM »

Quote from: don on Aug 10, 2003 at 02:35 AM

Kimera and Dviant - How's the image quality, when you set the X1 to presentation mode? I'm planning to use it as a part time presentation projector (lit areas)...

Thanks in advance guys!

Don

Image quality is good but the resolution's not really for computer presentation. Don't get me wrong but the resolution of 800x600's isn't enough for regular use for Powerpoint or iPhoto slideshows. I dont notice the rainbow effect. If you're still unsure about this I suggest you ask for a demo from ATI before you buy from them.

DViant · « **Reply #141 on:** Aug 17, 2003 at 06:42 PM »

Quote from: teban888 on Aug 17, 2003 at 03:41 PM

just my 2 cents:
at your budget of $999, get yourself a dlp projector.
a dlp is a dlp and an lcd cannot be a dlp. although lcd projectors have gone a long way in terms of picture quality, still it just comes close to a dlp performance.

hope this helps

Not to mention that DLP technology is the basis for the D-Cinema standard. D-Cinema's the platform/standard that'll be used for Digital Projectors in the movie houses of the future. I've done my rounds auditioning LCD projectors a few months back but all of them have the screendoor effect that I find annoying. While none of the DLPs I have seen exhibits this defect. Just like everything else this is a matter of personal preference so choose on the basis of the info given to you and your usage.

teban888 · « **Reply #142 on:** Aug 18, 2003 at 12:34 AM »

i see you also know about these stuff dviant

As mass production begins and demands for these products goes up, we can expect price drops and picture improvements over the succeeding years including movie house cinema changes.

My current project is to substitute metal halide bulbs with white halogen bulbs which are cheaper and will suit my personal home theater requirements for everyday use. (right now i try to limit my usage since the bulb is expensive

)
so far, my problem is finding a dummy load for the ballast, as the projector won't display an image when it does not see a bulb connected.
I guess it will not be long when prices of metal halide bulbs also drop.

teban888 · « **Reply #143 on:** Aug 18, 2003 at 12:36 AM »

can you guys tell me what "rainbow effect" are you experiencing? coz I never experience anything odd when i use my projcector for watching movies or for pc projection.

slowhand · « **Reply #144 on:** Aug 18, 2003 at 09:49 AM »

DLPs use a color wheel to create colors, which sometimes appear on the screen as a rainbow-like splash of light. You can induce this by shaking your head quickly, or moving your eye across the screen quickly -- which is not how one normally watches movies.

Some folks are more sensitive to rainbow effects than others. Fortunately I'm not one of those.

kimera · « **Reply #145 on:** Aug 22, 2003 at 07:36 AM »

Quote from: don on Aug 10, 2003 at 02:35 AM

kawboy - Tnx!

Kimera and Dviant - How's the image quality, when you set the X1 to presentation mode? I'm planning to use it as a part time presentation projector (lit areas)...

Thanks in advance guys!

Don

pre sorry ha, been busy lately kaya ngayon lang ako ulit nakapag PinoyDVD

anyway back to your queries, i believe ive mentioned here that ive set aside my X1 in favor of the SAnyo Z1, i just cant live with all the rainbows, ive done lots of tweaks and stuff, but i still see them, besides if i invite my friends to watch over, i wouldnt be happy if they get disapointed when they see the rainbow

with the Z1 though, havent heard any complaints, with the proper setup, screendoor is a non-issue and since its a short throw pj, works well with small rooms....screendoor is also evident on dlp projectors (yes even on X1)

if ur keen with the X1, it can double up as a presentation projector, just make sure you use presentation mode (duh ehehehe) so that it outputs all lumens and contrast which is needed on presentation

instead of the S1, i highly recommend the Z1, its 1/4HDTV and native 16x9

but if you need something for use in presentation, get a higher resolution pj

cheers!

teban888 · « **Reply #146 on:** Aug 27, 2003 at 11:32 AM »

kimera, maybe we can schedule a sort of demo so you can show me the rainbow effect, coz i don't see them on my infocus lp400. I will be glad to bring it.

Got back from HK yesterday and got myself an olympus eye trek fmd-200 (it's like a sony glasstron-lcd glasses) this thing rocks, it's like watching in a theater size screen. although it's only 180,000 pixel, it sure is a different cinema experience. I'm a bit hesitant on selling it or keeping it since it's kinda expensive just for my audio-video lust.

kimera · « **Reply #147 on:** Aug 28, 2003 at 01:59 AM »

im in the uk right :-(

btw, not all people are susceptible to rainbows, so if you cant see raibows on your lp400, you're one of the lucky then

congrats on your lp400

btw, those glasses are really cool

don · « **Reply #148 on:** Sep 01, 2003 at 04:56 PM »

Thanks kimera! I decided to pull the trigger... I chose the Infocus X1 over the Epson S1. I just wish that I'm not rainbow sensitive..... I also ordered an ND Filter just in case I need it. Before the month ends, I'll post my findings. Thanks guys!

don · « **Reply #149 on:** Sep 29, 2003 at 01:32 PM »

Initial tests on X1.... I'm using a DIY screen (400 pesos only!!!) + svideo for my X1. Works great! I played black and white videos, xbox racing games, and subtitles. I only see the rainbows when I quickly dart my eyes sa screen (Black and white texts on screen + subtitles). The good thing about it is that it doesn't bother me when I see it.

I didn't see rainbows on my xbox games, but when I watched my cousin play a racing game medyo nahilo ako.... heheheh. I'm really happy with the purchase. I'll post a full review on the x1 thread, when I finish my setup.

For those who are looking for a projector, Infocus X1 is a great choice over the S1 specially if you don't detect rainbows. The image output is still viewable even when the lights are on, the fan noise is not bad.

To kimera, dviant, bigbird, slowhand, and the rest... Thanks guys! This thread really helped me choose a projector.