Author Topic: The Plasma Thread (Read 102107 times)

Clondalkin · « **Reply #270 on:** Sep 21, 2007 at 10:29 AM »

Pioneer's new Kuro series plasmas are bloody gorgeous!!! Cant believe that even without having a full HD panel, Pioneer makes the best of Panasonic looked awefully noisy side by side!!! The difference is readily discernible and mind-blowing! The new 50 and 42 inch Kuro models are the most popular plasmas in Japan right now...and the most expensive ones in those sizes. 60 inch model is coming out in October.

Word of advise, if you have just bought Panasonic or Hitachi recently, better not check-out the new Pioneer Kuro. Stay away from it. Stay away from the most beautiful one!

rx330 · « **Reply #271 on:** Sep 21, 2007 at 11:10 AM »

i will definitely stay away

as the price of pioneer really scares the crap otta me

barrister · « **Reply #272 on:** Sep 21, 2007 at 12:08 PM »

Quote from: Clondalkin on Sep 21, 2007 at 10:29 AM

Word of advise, if you have just bought Panasonic or Hitachi recently, better not check-out the new Pioneer Kuro. Stay away from it. Stay away from the most beautiful one!

It's easy to stay away from the Kuro. I wouldn't be able to find one even if I tried. I tried asking Pioneer plasma sales reps about it --- none of them knew what the hell I was talking about.

Clondalkin · « **Reply #273 on:** Sep 21, 2007 at 12:57 PM »

Oh I could stay close to Kuro because I know I can't afford it until the next gen Kuro arrives.

Appreciation is free. Funny they nicknamed it Kuro (BLACK), as the most striking characteristic of the Kuro PQ is CLEAN. Black is Very Clean! Yeah that's a nice catch-phrase.

Imagine if the Kuro were full HD panel.

BTW, I heard Pioneer and Sharp are in some serious talks right now.

barrister · « **Reply #274 on:** Sep 21, 2007 at 03:24 PM »

Quote from: Clondalkin on Sep 21, 2007 at 12:57 PM

Oh I could stay close to Kuro because I know I can't afford it until the next gen Kuro arrives. Appreciation is free.

I can't afford it either

but I'd like to see how it looks like in person because I believe the hype -- the Kuro is probably the best that the plasma technology can offer.

Quote from: Clondalkin on Sep 21, 2007 at 12:57 PM

BTW, I heard Pioneer and Sharp are in some serious talks right now.

Yes, I think they're not just preliminary talks but actually a done deal.

I read on the web that the two companies were initially negotiating a merger, but settled on purchasing each other's shares of stock. Sharp will buy 14% of Pioneer shares; Pioneer will buy less than 1% of Sharp shares.

Pioneer is financially strapped while Sharp remains fiscally solid, so the deal probably represents additional capital for Pioneer and expansion for Sharp.

However, market value of Pioneer and Sharp shares fell 3% and 2% respectively, indicating lack of investor confidence in the deal.

IMHO, the Kuro is overpriced. Sure, it should be priced higher than its competitors considering that it produces the best picture, but the price difference should not be that big.

I think the Kuro's high price is caused by Pioneer's bad financial position. Due to lack of capital, it does not have the resources to increase production.

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lithium_deuteride · « **Reply #275 on:** Sep 23, 2007 at 08:28 PM »

I hear the Pioneer Kuros will definitely launch next month. You guys think the Pioneer 427 will sink in price even more? Best price I've seen is 120T at LIS. Wishful thinking but if they sell the 428 at 150 or thereabouts I just might.......

pchin · « **Reply #276 on:** Sep 28, 2007 at 09:57 AM »

Best Flat-Screen HDTV Ever?

Washington, D.C. (September 27, 2007) -- What's the best flat-screen High-Definition TV on the market?

The question is guaranteed to spark immediate debate among high-def enthusiasts. Some might argue for a particular LCD while others will swear by a certain Plasma model.

But in the November issue of Consumer Reports, the magazine's staff says the new Panasonic 50-inch 1080p Plasma HDTV "has the best picture quality of any flat-panel TV we've ever tested."

The publication says the set, model 50PZ700U, reproduces "the finest detail in HD content, with rich vibrant colors and deep blacks." Consumer Reports gives the set a score of 81 out of a possible 100, two points higher than a Samsung 46-inch LCD which got a 79.

The publication says the Panasonic 50-inch Plasma HDTV delivers an "excellent" picture quality for high-def content, standard-definition TV and standard-definition DVDs.

The top-rated LCD HDTV, the Samsung 46-inch (model: LN-T4661F), also gets "excellent" ratings in all three categories.

Source

van_wilder · « **Reply #277 on:** Oct 03, 2007 at 12:25 PM »

hello there. Has anyone heard of the PANASONIC TH42 PV7HS HDMI?
also, questions regarding plasma, how is the picture when just viewing ordinary cable tv? when viewing regular dvd's from a regular or china made dvd player?
likewise, electricity consumption-wise, malakas ba consumption? all these to answer kasi the possible questions na baka ibato ng misis ko sa akin e.
help please.
thanks

rafmac · « **Reply #278 on:** Oct 03, 2007 at 01:21 PM »

Quote from: van_wilder on Oct 03, 2007 at 12:25 PM

hello there. Has anyone heard of the PANASONIC TH42 PV7HS HDMI?
also, questions regarding plasma, how is the picture when just viewing ordinary cable tv? when viewing regular dvd's from a regular or china made dvd player?
likewise, electricity consumption-wise, malakas ba consumption? all these to answer kasi the possible questions na baka ibato ng misis ko sa akin e.
help please.
thanks

cable signal sucks to be honest. from my experience it is really grainy. viewing from an SD source depends if you use component or just a single video connector (component is better) or via hdmi (way better since you can upscale). it also will depend on your source dvd (if its original, copied from the original or recorded in the theater).

Clondalkin · « **Reply #279 on:** Oct 03, 2007 at 02:37 PM »

Quote from: rafmac on Oct 03, 2007 at 01:21 PM

cable signal sucks to be honest. from my experience it is really grainy. viewing from an SD source depends if you use component or just a single video connector (component is better) or via hdmi (way better since you can upscale). it also will depend on your source dvd (if its original, copied from the original or recorded in the theater).

If an SD broadcast sucks in a Plasma, it's even worse in an LCD (dull color, pixellation, banding).

tonedeaf · « **Reply #280 on:** Oct 13, 2007 at 05:28 PM »

hi all!

i was just looking at Cnet.com HD world special report. the report discussed, among others, HDTV display resolution as follows:

1920x1080, commonly called 1080p = HD
1366X768, 768P = HD
1280x720, 720p = HD
1024x768, commonly called HDTV plasma = not HD
852x480, EDTV plasma = not HD
640x480, VGA = not HD

http://asia.cnet.com/hd_world/0,39063941,61968972-4,00.htm

I have a panasonic viera 42pv70 with a resolution of 1024x768. Does that mean its not even 720p and its not really "HD"?

So if I get an upscaling dvd player,my tv can't even display 720p?

and does that mean i should limit myself to the entry level HD-DVD players, which can only play 1080i because getting a 1080p capable player would have no effect on it because it would just downscale to 1024x768?

or does that mean i shouldn't even think of going HD, because there would be no difference between the output of a standard dvd player and an hd dvd player on my tv?

I would appreciate any input. Thanks.

sanmig_ph · « **Reply #281 on:** Oct 13, 2007 at 08:41 PM »

Quote from: tonedeaf on Oct 13, 2007 at 05:28 PM

or does that mean i shouldn't even think of going HD, because there would be no difference between the output of a standard dvd player and an hd dvd player on my tv?

I would appreciate any input. Thanks.

there's a big difference in hddvd player than a standard dvd

tonedeaf · « **Reply #282 on:** Oct 13, 2007 at 09:16 PM »

how about between a standard dvd player and an upscaling one?

tonedeaf · « **Reply #283 on:** Oct 14, 2007 at 01:08 PM »

Panasonic Viera goes full-HD
By Philip Wong, CNET Asia
Oct 10, 2007

SINGAPORE--Call it pure coincidence or a strategic release just days after the Pioneer Kuros launch. Whichever way, Panasonic has finally announced its long overdue consumer 1080p Viera plasmas for Asia. Unveiled yesterday in Singapore, the full-HD lineup comprises three new models including a 65-inch flagship whopper. Also introduced during the event were the Viera TX-37LX75 and TX-32LX77, the former being the Japanese company's first 37-inch LCD TV.

Dressed in classy black, the TH-42PY700, TH-50PY700 and TH-65PY700 represent the pinnacle of its Viera offering with true full-HD compatibility. These made-in-Japan generation-10 panels tout native 1,920 x 1,080-pixel resolution and are equipped with upgraded 16-bit V-real Pro II video processor. Another notable feature among the series is an extended 100,000-hour panel life. This is much higher than the 60,000 industrial standard found on current plasma and LCD TVs.

To further differentiate the TH-65Y700, AVCHD-encoded media is now supported out-of-the-box. An extension of its inbuilt SDHC slot function, this enables direct playback of Panasonic camcorder-recorded videos. What're missing, though, are judder-free 1080p24 input handling and any tangible improvement in contrast performance pegged at 10,000:1. That said, it's worth noting that the TH50PY700 is less than half the price of the equivalent Pioneer PDP-LX508G.

Moving onto the new LCDs, the TX-37LX75 is the successor for the well-received TX-32LX700M. Both are based on the popular In-Plane Switching LCD technology with the new model having a slight edge in terms of a larger 37-inch screen. This makes it suitable for family entertainment in the living room at the tradeoff of the 700-series' 100Hz frame rate-doubling and SDHC slot features. Furthermore, the two LCD TVs still utilize the current V-real engine.

lithium_deuteride · « **Reply #284 on:** Oct 14, 2007 at 07:35 PM »

Anyone knows when these 1080p plasmas from Panasonic will hit our shores?

av_phile1 · « **Reply #285 on:** Oct 14, 2007 at 09:12 PM »

Quote from: tonedeaf on Oct 13, 2007 at 05:28 PM

hi all!

i was just looking at Cnet.com HD world special report. the report discussed, among others, HDTV display resolution as follows:

1920x1080, commonly called 1080p = HD
1366X768, 768P = HD
1280x720, 720p = HD
1024x768, commonly called HDTV plasma = not HD
852x480, EDTV plasma = not HD
640x480, VGA = not HD

http://asia.cnet.com/hd_world/0,39063941,61968972-4,00.htm

I have a panasonic viera 42pv70 with a resolution of 1024x768. Does that mean its not even 720p and its not really "HD"?

So if I get an upscaling dvd player,my tv can't even display 720p?

and does that mean i should limit myself to the entry level HD-DVD players, which can only play 1080i because getting a 1080p capable player would have no effect on it because it would just downscale to 1024x768?

or does that mean i shouldn't even think of going HD, because there would be no difference between the output of a standard dvd player and an hd dvd player on my tv?

I would appreciate any input. Thanks.

High Definition technically starts at 720p. But most pundits prefer to start at 1080i. HD broadcasts are at 720. And if you noticed, the plasma TV you are referring to is called HDTV. HD there means high definition.

Archie · « **Reply #286 on:** Oct 15, 2007 at 06:45 AM »

will that HD release translate to a price drop for the current panasonic lx70 and pv's?

E-reply · « **Reply #287 on:** Oct 15, 2007 at 08:22 AM »

Quote from: tonedeaf on Oct 14, 2007 at 01:08 PM

Panasonic Viera goes full-HD
By Philip Wong, CNET Asia
Oct 10, 2007

SINGAPORE--Call it pure coincidence or a strategic release just days after the Pioneer Kuros launch. Whichever way, Panasonic has finally announced its long overdue consumer 1080p Viera plasmas for Asia. Unveiled yesterday in Singapore, the full-HD lineup comprises three new models including a 65-inch flagship whopper. Also introduced during the event were the Viera TX-37LX75 and TX-32LX77, the former being the Japanese company's first 37-inch LCD TV.

Dressed in classy black, the TH-42PY700, TH-50PY700 and TH-65PY700 represent the pinnacle of its Viera offering with true full-HD compatibility. These made-in-Japan generation-10 panels tout native 1,920 x 1,080-pixel resolution and are equipped with upgraded 16-bit V-real Pro II video processor. Another notable feature among the series is an extended 100,000-hour panel life. This is much higher than the 60,000 industrial standard found on current plasma and LCD TVs.

Very good new! To all interested buyers of Panasonic plasma TVs, The Sights and Sounds at Shangri-la Plaza, will keep you posted of the arrival of new plasma Tvs. We shall send you price and availability once the TVs become available.

pchin · « **Reply #288 on:** Oct 15, 2007 at 09:32 AM »

For those who can't wait, currently, Theater Works (Nemesis) is selling the 1080p 42" Panasonic Plasma 42pv700u at a very attractive price.

pchin · « **Reply #289 on:** Oct 15, 2007 at 09:50 AM »

Quote from: tonedeaf on Oct 13, 2007 at 05:28 PM

I have a panasonic viera 42pv70 with a resolution of 1024x768. Does that mean its not even 720p and its not really "HD"?

and does that mean i should limit myself to the entry level HD-DVD players, which can only play 1080i because getting a 1080p capable player would have no effect on it because it would just downscale to 1024x768?

or does that mean i shouldn't even think of going HD, because there would be no difference between the output of a standard dvd player and an hd dvd player on my tv?

tonedeaf, the minimum HDTV standard is 720p or 1280 x 720 = 921,600 pixels to be exact. Thus, your HDTV set with its native resolution of 1024 x 768 = 786,432 pixels is short of the minimum HDTV standard. Tho it's not true 720p but it still looks good as the resolution is 2.5 times as compared to a standard 640 x 480 TV.

In this case, an entry level HD DVD player e.g. Tosh HD-A2 which outputs up to 1080i is sufficient to meet your existing requirement. However, as the 1080p HD display price is droping rapidly, it's worthwhile to consider a HD player that can output 1080p/24 to future proof your equipment as you may suddenly decide to upgrade your HDTV in the future.

tonedeaf · « **Reply #290 on:** Oct 15, 2007 at 01:26 PM »

@pchin,

thanks. that answers my question. not-quite-hd pala ako. hehe.

as for upgrading my tv, medyo matagal-tagal pa yata. the 42" truly HD vieras (new model) costs S$5,299 (Singapore dollars). Di kaya ng powers ko.

Trig · « **Reply #291 on:** Oct 15, 2007 at 01:42 PM »

Oh well, my eyes says the not-quite-HD 42pv70 pana looks better than Samsung LCD's and my wallet also agrees

vtec3 · « **Reply #292 on:** Oct 15, 2007 at 03:07 PM »

audition mo din yung Hitachi PD9800TA (Mega Pixel Resolution of 1,024 x 1,080) + HDMI Signal (Video Mode) 480i/p, 576i/p, 720p(50/60), 1080i (50/60), VGA, 1080p . for me ok din itong model na ito. Japan Made

Don't know nga lang why if I see this sa shops hindi kasing sharp yung kulay as when I am watching sa house. I see this model sa Theaterworks and Sight & Sounds Shang. Both are good stores and the owners are easy to talk too

happyfische · « **Reply #293 on:** Oct 15, 2007 at 06:24 PM »

guys questn lang, my plasma tv is a itachi 8800 42", shud i expect pixelized picture specially during dark scenes at 720p??? am using pioneer dvd 696 as player also set at 720p tnx

parak · « **Reply #294 on:** Oct 16, 2007 at 10:24 PM »

Quote from: happyfische on Oct 15, 2007 at 06:24 PM

guys questn lang, my plasma tv is a itachi 8800 42", shud i expect pixelized picture specially during dark scenes at 720p??? am using pioneer dvd 696 as player also set at 720p tnx

depending on the disc you are playing. try using a reference disc like fifth element remastered dvd. at least eliminated yung possibility na yung disc yung cause ng pixelization.

rafmac · « **Reply #295 on:** Oct 17, 2007 at 07:33 AM »

parak is right. I think your problem is the source disc. may I ask what dvd are you using if its pirated or original?

dB10 · « **Reply #296 on:** Oct 17, 2007 at 12:26 PM »

does it happen during use of both p-dvd and orig? maganda if you have a title in both to compare, kasi that can also be sa transfer. If you've got tiger eyes then all the more you notice these things. Try mo playing Jurassic park III opening chapter where they were paragliding against the backdrop of the mountains and see if you notice the rope or their bodies having some flickering on the edges.

happyfische · « **Reply #297 on:** Oct 18, 2007 at 12:10 AM »

thank you all guys for ur reply, i try them all, i think i can observed them even in some original dvd, but i think it's because i got those cheap original dvd bargained like The Mummy returns, i got pixelized screen during the beginning part where in the guy leadstar(forgot the name at the moment) entered the Cave(?),

dB10 · « **Reply #298 on:** Oct 18, 2007 at 09:33 AM »

maybe its just the transfer, il check the scene later

barrister · « **Reply #299 on:** Oct 18, 2007 at 02:20 PM »

Quote from: happyfische on Oct 18, 2007 at 12:10 AM

thank you all guys for ur reply, i try them all, i think i can observed them even in some original dvd, but i think it's because i got those cheap original dvd bargained like The Mummy returns, i got pixelized screen during the beginning part where in the guy leadstar(forgot the name at the moment) entered the Cave(?),

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