Topic: SD vs BD vs Downloads

[sanmig_ph]

Joel may dvd ako p**n where it is so clear you can see all the skin imperfections,kakadiri puro peklat I did not even finish the whole thing   Bad side ng high resolution siguro

  pag nakainom na ako sanmig light talo talo na yun
bad side din yun ng hi def
sayang pare hindi ka nakapunta namimiss na kita eh 

[ricky]

pag nakainom na ako sanmig light talo talo na yun
bad side din yun ng hi def
sayang pare hindi ka nakapunta namimiss na kita eh 

sayang nga pero ayaw ko pa makulam Basa na lang ako dito para medyo fair ang laban

[alvinh]

@ricky..sayang nga..i was hoping to meet my Jbl idol pa naman.

[ricky]

@ricky..sayang nga..i was hoping to meet my Jbl idol pa naman.

 

[iiinas]

No idea where the Popcorn version came from. You will have to watch LOTR in Popcorn. Absolutely incredible.

If you ask my personal opinion, I prefer BD. I think the colors are more accurate. I thought that in the particular scenes we tested, Popcorn color was reddish. But of course, my judgment was not from a blind test. Iba talaga ang blind test and the guys who participated aren't the ordinary guys in the street.

Nonetheless, I think that the main conclusion is that HD beats upconverted SD by a mile. Between Popcorn and BD, the difference is actually too small. I'd say it would be a tie.

the popcorn version of sir streetsmart's batman begins is a 1080p hddvd rip.

[sanmig_ph]

sayang nga pero ayaw ko pa makulam Basa na lang ako dito para medyo fair ang laban

sige basa ka na lang muna  at naka OPPo ka naman  
iniwan mo na ako sa 676, binuksan ko tuloy yung dv600  pero parang walang pagkakaiba
same menu nadagdag lang hdmi menu need to tweak pa siguro.

[iiinas]

Sir maybe its the same as DD on orig and DTS na sa pirated(third party enhancement ) I was really surprised about the result popcorn beat BD , yeah I know sd can never win against HD(whether ripped or orig) no matter how great the upscalling is BUt ripped media beating BD is quite interesting    

definitely a revelation, and as me and sir mark were discussing with sir cedric (late dumating sa eb  ). since almost all members have a hard time distinguishing truhd with classic dd, pq wise popcorn is deadheat with bd, then taking into account the difference in costs of both media, its really hard not to dive into this nmt bandwagon.

[sanmig_ph]

lahat naman tayo nagkamali sa pagpili at may kanya kanyang pananaw sa buhay.
sa aking pananaw biling isang mandirigma ng tahanang theatro.

sd vs bd

unang una talaga ang
BLURAY,very detail & natural color.
negative feedback - over prize ang software and by order pa states.
wish ko sana available na din sa mga suking tindahan at reasonable prize.
isa pang negatibong feedback - hindi lahat ng transfer ay nakaka wow. merong transfer sa bluray na
sa panlasa ko ay ok na sa SD.

SD , ang sarap mangolekta ng sd & nakaka mangha pag madami kang koleksayon na pwede pa natin ipamana
sa ating mga supli.
sa panahon ngayon andyan ang oppo na makakapagbigay sa atin ng panibagong buhay sa larangan ng theatro.

ang PCH andyan para maranasan natin ang hi def na hindi natin masaksihan dahil sa mahal ng software.
at minsan hindi pa lumalabas sa original ay masasaksihan na natin,kagaya ng nangyari sa iron man.

kaya masarap ang merong
bluray - ps3
sd - oppo
mkv player - pch, egreat

nakakahawa si brader jake 

[frootloops]

Tagal naman ng group buy!!     Ayan na!!  Hinihintay ko lang si DTS-HD para ma-test sa bahay. 

brader!  wag ka na magalit!  nilagay na ni sir mark yung pektyur na andun ka! 

sa chibog di ka naman na huli ah!  teka ano ba yung chinibog mo sa banyo nung nawala ka? 

Okay na rin siguro yung wala ako sa picture..Im sure andyan lang sa tabi tabi si vic12. sabunutan pa ko nun. 

Ano ginagawa ko sa banyo? Hindi ko maibulsa yung universal remote! Ang haba!! Ganda eh..kumukutitap sa dilim. 

[Munskie]

Im not surprised that PCH/NMTs was at par or even did slightly better than BD in the blind test shootout.

I have been watching MKVs lately, and they do give out the picture quality that I have been looking for in HD content.  



OT....sayang di ako nakapunta....mas miss ko yung camaraderie at inom.  :'(

[iiinas]

Im not surprised that PCH/NMTs was at par or even did slightly better than BD in the blind test shootout.

I have been watching MKVs lately, and they do give out the picture quality that I have been looking for in HD content.  



OT....sayang di ako nakapunta....mas miss ko yung camaraderie at inom.  :'(

sayang sir munskie, madami pa naman susunod.... 

[alvinh]

definitely a revelation, and as me and sir mark were discussing with sir cedric (late dumating sa eb  ). since almost all members have a hard time distinguishing truhd with classic dd, pq wise popcorn is deadheat with bd, then taking into account the difference in costs of both media, its really hard not to dive into this nmt bandwagon. imagine 55-60 pesos vs. 800-1000 pesos. huge difference!  

I personally think this is what it boils down to. Original is original. But "value for money", IMO, most people will pick the lesser cost that produces "almost the same" result. None of us expected that the emerging choice came from Popcorn. It was already conceived way before the test that the "final two" would most likely be BD30 or Oppo. When the winner was announced, I believe all of us replied with "What?".

Now, the question is, will the purchase of Egreat or Popcorn really be that much of a sacrifice after the "blind tests"? The risk just became irrelevant. But then again, we were only talking about "clips" that were viewed for a short period of time. Assuming that there were hidden headaches with NMT (like stutters), are we willing to take the risk? For the price and based on what I viewed from the blind test, I have a resounding "Yes". I believe 1 Tera will hold approx 250,000 songs. Besides, as Sir Mark mentioned, LOTR plays well...load another 199 1080p materials of the same quality and there should be enough room left for other contents. I guess this would be my worst case scenario.

My 2 centimos.

[iiinas]

ang PCH andyan para maranasan natin ang hi def na hindi natin masaksihan dahil sa mahal ng software.
at minsan hindi pa lumalabas sa original ay masasaksihan na natin,kagaya ng nangyari sa iron man.

kaya masarap ang merong
bluray - ps3
sd - oppo
mkv player - pch, egreat

nakakahawa si brader jake 

nakauwi na lahat nung tinest namin ni sir mark at sir cedric yung iron man na mkv. ganda!!!

brader joel, yan nga ang the best na player line up na meron dapat lahat ng hd enthusiast, bluray player, upscaling dvd and last but not the least nmt!!!  

[sanmig_ph]

nakauwi na lahat nung tinest namin ni sir mark at sir cedric yung iron man na mkv. ganda!!!

brader joel, yan nga ang the best na player line up na meron dapat lahat ng hd enthusiast, bluray player, upscaling dvd and last but not the least mkv player!!!  

nadale mo brader  iron man ko kasi dito avi lang pinagtiyagaan ni mrs ang pekture sabi ko ibili mo na lang ako ng PCH ay e great pala

[nerveblocker]

I think we are just talking about PQ comparisons between an NMT and a standalone BD player which are almost on par.  If you are also into HD audio, this is where the big difference in content lies between the actual BD and the MKVs.  As per the result of the blind audio test between DD and Dolby True HD, it seems that we are not missing a lot between lossy and lossless audio.  I myself even preferred the lossy DD one. 

There are also some hidden costs in buying an NMT such as an upgrade to a faster internet download speed, a torrent downloader (low power consumption PCs to download those torrent files), HDDs,  and an increase in electric bills.  In the long run though after all the hardware have been purchased, the contents of downloaded mkv files is still cheaper than buying the physical HD discs.

[Mouldingo]

Im not surprised that PCH/NMTs was at par or even did slightly better than BD in the blind test shootout.

I have been watching MKVs lately, and they do give out the picture quality that I have been looking for in HD content.  

Beside having a HD source, I'm sure the Popcorn HD media may have some enhancements during the "rip".

[streetsmart]

There are also some hidden costs in buying an NMT such as an upgrade to a faster internet download speed, a torrent downloader (low power consumption PCs to download those torrent files), HDDs,  and an increase in electric bills.  In the long run though after all the hardware have been purchased, the contents of downloaded mkv files is still cheaper than buying the physical HD discs.

True. Unless you have a friendly file-swapping group of friends or a friendly supplier with a big collection.

Opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics in HD (Popcorn) is also just incredible!

[sanmig_ph]

True. Unless you have a friendly file-swapping group of friends or a friendly supplier with a big collection.

Opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics in HD (Popcorn) is also just incredible!

wow sir mark lalo talaga ako nakukulam sa mkv player
gusto ko na sumugod paluwas dyan

[Mouldingo]

In the long run though after all the hardware have been purchased, the contents of downloaded mkv files is still cheaper than buying the physical HD discs.

Same argument regarding P*RAT*ED software...Something you constantly have to remind yourselves. PCH programs encourage Jack Sparrows.

[Clondalkin]

Interesting results indeed!  Nakakainggit dun sa mga naka-attend.

My opinions and comments.

1.  First of all, HD DVD should have won the HD war because even its 1/4 ripped version can beat an original BD in terms of PQ.   

2.  I haven't seen a 1080p PJ in action but I THINK the PJ of Streetsmart has something to do with the "welcome anomaly".   My 50V PZ800 Panasonic would show the imperfections (pixellations, noise, etc.) of mkvs (compared to original HD DVD - dont have any BD) especially in fast moving scenes, dark scenes, sky scenes and skin complexion.    The same is true for my 37 inch Sharp LCD.  Those issues are more pronounced on 720p mkvs.  So perhaps, the PJ technology could be the equalizer???   But whatever, it doesn't take any effort to live with some PQ imperfections in some scenes of an mkv because they are not so bad.  So long as the file plays smoothly during the entire movie an mkv is high def enough for me.

3.  Not all encodes/encoders are created equal.  Batman Begins 1080p in mkv is one of those "hit" encodes.   Brilliant encoders can make enhancements to the rip as they see fit.  Some would even add grains to restore some level of film look on a clean transfer.   In any case, 1080p encoding is still very much "hit or miss."   Based on what I've seen, it's quite hard to fill a 1TB hard drive with all perfectly playable 1080p mkvs.   But then again 720ps are fine.

4.  Agree that mkvs' color saturation tend to deviate from that of the original source towards the red, BUT, that can be compensated somehow through manual picture quality settings on the TV.

5.  As regards the difficulty in distinguishing between True HD and DD - BANZAI!!!     

Baka naman the "good sound" that we hear is attributable to the "good loss/noise", or, lossless sound probably means, certain sounds were actually attenuated in the first place?   In simple term, my understanding of lossless is a perfect replica of the original source so if you use a scope, you should see 2 identical curves at any point in the timeline.   Perhaps DD deviated from the original curve in a manner that is pleasing to some ears.  So lossy is good!   

[nerveblocker]

Same argument regarding P*RAT*ED software...Something you constantly have to remind yourselves. PCH programs encourage Jack Sparrows.

Yes I agree.  But this form of acquiring and playing HD contents is becoming popular moreso in this community of ours where piracy is not advocated or entertained.  Regardless of its popularity, it still doesn't justify Mr. Jack Sparrows. 

[nerveblocker]

True. Unless you have a friendly file-swapping group of friends or a friendly supplier with a big collection.

Opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics in HD (Popcorn) is also just incredible!

This is a very good excuse for having more frequent EBs don't you think sir Mark? 

[Weng!]

nakauwi na lahat nung tinest namin ni sir mark at sir cedric yung iron man na mkv. ganda!!!

brader joel, yan nga ang the best na player line up na meron dapat lahat ng hd enthusiast, bluray player, upscaling dvd and last but not the least mkv player!!!  

wow, i'm surprised with the result of the PCH performing at par with a stand alone BD player. di pala ako nagkamali sa pagbili ng A100 kahit napamahal pa sa tax charged by DHL

i download 720p movies only because my plasma is only 720p native (1080p capable). does a 1080p movie better than 720p when downscaled to 720p? i only have BBC planet earth 1080p mkv and can't distinguish much with the 720p version.

talking about iron man movie, i use this movie to show off to friends esp the first part where they hit a road side bomb. ang lakas ng kabooom that it fills the room with pounding sound waves using a dtx4.15 sub. ano pa kaya kung hi-end sub or go the cheaper way of having dual 4.15 sub.

[XXXyzledge]

negative feedback sa pch is yung color redish.
positive side maganda talaga ang pch kasi ang ang ganda ng burger ni debbie
sa bluray panalo talaga tisoy na tisoy eh

when i heard mark's announcement...
i have the same impression with sanmig...
although...
wait ko muna yung pm ni mark re: myscoresheet for
my personal reference....

TIA!

[XXXyzledge]

pahabol........


1 lang nagconvince sa akin to save for an SD.......

si DEBBIE ! 

[Clondalkin]

I think we are just talking about PQ comparisons between an NMT and a standalone BD player which are almost on par.  If you are also into HD audio, this is where the big difference in content lies between the actual BD and the MKVs. 

Did you have the chance to test any mkv with DTS or DTS-ES sound stream during the shoot-out?

[Clondalkin]

si DEBBIE ! 

Di ko pa na-kilatis si Debbie pero kita ba tahi ng breast augmentation?   

[nerveblocker]

Did you have the chance to test any mkv with DTS or DTS-ES sound stream during the shoot-out?

During the tests, the comparison of the 4 players was only the PQ.  Even the volume was muted. 

[streetsmart]

when i heard mark's announcement...
i have the same impression with sanmig...
although...
wait ko muna yung pm ni mark re: myscoresheet for
my personal reference....

TIA!

I sent you your scores kahapon via PM. There seems to be something wrong with the PM system.

In any case, I don't think you'll mind revealing that you got 3 out of 6 sa audio (samples 3, 5 and 6). That's better than the average cuz less than half got it right.

Sa video naman, your ranking was:
1. BD30
2. Popcorn
3. Pio
4. Oppo

Your scoring was pretty good.

[Clondalkin]

During the tests, the comparison of the 4 players was only the PQ.  Even the volume was muted. 

Oh.  Perhaps in the next shoot-out, the DTS quality of mkvs can also be put to the test - that is assuming the NMT can output DTS.