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titor · « **Reply #1830 on:** Aug 02, 2013 at 10:44 AM »

Ok din yung next na laban. Aldo vs Korean Zombie and Machida vs Davis.

VenoM_Unleashed · « **Reply #1831 on:** Aug 03, 2013 at 09:38 AM »

^ UFC 163 weigh-in results:

Main Card

Champ Jose Aldo (145) vs. Chan Sung Jung (145)
Phil Davis (205) vs. Lyoto Machida (205)
Cezar Ferreira (185) vs. Thiago "Marreta" Santos (183)
Thales Leites (185) vs. Tom Watson (185)
John Lineker (129)* vs. Jose Maria (126) - 129-pound catchweight bout

vinci · « **Reply #1832 on:** Aug 04, 2013 at 12:36 PM »

mukhang bad judging yung pagkanalo mr. wonderful ah.

XanderCage · « **Reply #1833 on:** Aug 04, 2013 at 01:16 PM »

unfortunate way for korean zombie to lose the fight. tsk.

vinci · « **Reply #1834 on:** Aug 04, 2013 at 01:20 PM »

oo nga. tigas ng ulo ni aldo.

titor · « **Reply #1835 on:** Aug 04, 2013 at 02:07 PM »

Brazilians really know how to fight. damn... But Machida should have won that one too.

VenoM_Unleashed · « **Reply #1836 on:** Aug 04, 2013 at 06:09 PM »

Nabitin ako kanina, hanggang co-main event lang napanood ko, may walk kasi kame

Hindi ko din maintindihan kung paano nanalo si Phil Davis, eh 'yung dalawang take downs nya, wala naman significant strikes sa ground si Davis. Lamang na lamang sa striking si Lyoto, plus ang ganda ng take down defense nya noong 3rd round. Lutoooooooooo!

Anyway, maganda match-ups sa UFC 164, may laban ulit si Brandon Vera, hopefully he can come up with an impressive win against Rothwell.

Lightweight    Benson Henderson (c)    vs.    Anthony Pettis
Heavyweight    Frank Mir      vs.    Josh Barnett
Featherweight    Chad Mendes      vs.    Clay Guida
Heavyweight    Ben Rothwell      vs.    Brandon Vera
Featherweight    Erik Koch      vs.    Dustin Poirier

jrod · « **Reply #1837 on:** Aug 04, 2013 at 07:01 PM »

I gave rounds 1 and 3 to Machida and round 2 to Davies. It was a close fight but I think the judges gave more weight to the takedowns than the effective striking.

VenoM_Unleashed · « **Reply #1838 on:** Aug 04, 2013 at 07:55 PM »

Dana White Tweets:

"Wow!!! I had Machida winning all 3 rds but that's what happens when u leave it up to the judges!"

oznola · « **Reply #1839 on:** Aug 05, 2013 at 06:53 AM »

Quote from: VenoM_Unleashed on Aug 04, 2013 at 07:55 PM

Dana White Tweets:

"Wow!!! I had Machida winning all 3 rds but that's what happens when u leave it up to the judges!"

true! ok na din yan e, para maging motivation na din sa mga fighters to give all out every fight. yung iba nga kasi play safe lalo pag maganda ang record at ayaw ma-tarnish ng loss.

Verbl Kint · « **Reply #1840 on:** Aug 05, 2013 at 08:08 AM »

Brandon Vera's back as a heavyweight? This I gotta see.

vinci · « **Reply #1841 on:** Aug 05, 2013 at 09:15 AM »

Quote from: titor on Aug 04, 2013 at 02:07 PM

Brazilians really know how to fight. damn... But Machida should have won that one too.

most brazilians do...but machida..parang dapat mag iba na sya ng style. minsan nanalo sya sa ganun (vs hendo), last time talo (vs. davis) nakaka inip na rin. unless matuto sya mang taunt tulad ni silva para mag engage kalaban nya.

edboy7 · « **Reply #1842 on:** Aug 05, 2013 at 09:20 AM »

sa tigin ko kasi mukang naka add sa mga judges yung mga takedowns si Davis lalo na yung mga last 20 secs of each round ....dapat kasi ginawa ni Machida nakipagsabayan na siya kaya nya naman e ..puro depensa ginawa niya e ..kaya ayun Olats siya hehehe.....Davis Vs Jones? malamang puro siko abutin ni Davis hahahahaha

TinkerTailor · « **Reply #1843 on:** Aug 05, 2013 at 10:17 AM »

Di siguro natuwa yung judges sa sigurista style ni machida.

rusty · « **Reply #1844 on:** Aug 05, 2013 at 10:37 AM »

I thought that Machida was masterful in that fight. Everything from brilliant counter-striking to excellent takedown defense. Those judges are either really stupid or maybe the fight was fixed. Why should Machida change his fighting style to make up for their incompetence?

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When you take into account the way the judges scored things as well, it becomes even more absurd. At the very least, the third round was clearly Machida's, as he stuffed several takedowns and out-struck Davis. It didn't even seem in question, so when the scores were all read 29-28 in Davis' favor, the assumption was that each judge gave him the first two rounds.

Turns out that wasn't even the case, as judge Chris Watts scored the second and third for Davis, while giving Machida the first. Judges Sal D'Amato and Rick Wintergrave scored the first two for Davis.

Final numbers for the fight support that it was close without a ton going on, but they still support Lyoto Machida being the more effective fighter of the two in each frame.

FightMetric's post fight numbers breakdown, along with their effectiveness scoring for the fight, has Machida unsurprisingly winning the fight, and actually has him taking all three rounds. Though the margin of strikes was thin in the second, almost the entirety of Davis' offense came in a 30 second spurt at the end of the round. In the first, his one minute on top with little offensive output came after four minutes where Machida had done more.

This is all to say that, once again, judges got a fight very much wrong, and it was one which had title implications. It's unfortunate and sad that the reaction continues to be "don't leave it in the hands of the judges" and not "hold these people accountable." The fact that there continues to be no ramifications for poor judging performances means this is going to keep happening.

http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/penickstake/article_17922.shtml

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The UFC app said that Davis landed 68 strikes and was 6/8 on takedowns, yet FightMetric stats had Machida winning 30-27, and counted Davis as completing only 2 of 10 takedowns Either the person doing the stats for the UFC app is a damn idiot, or those numbers were tweaked to support the UFC's preferred outcome. Davis now holds wins over #1 Lyoto Machida, #2 Alexander Gustafsson, and #5 Antonio Rogerio Nogueira. That demands a title shot over Glover Teixeira or Daniel Cormier, yet somehow, despite this being what the UFC wanted, I don't see it happening. I feel for Machida who has been screwed yet again.
http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/roundtables/article_17921.shtml

Gob_Loves_Sony · « **Reply #1845 on:** Aug 06, 2013 at 08:27 PM »

Nanalo si phil davis kasi na takedown niya ng twice si lyoto...na alam nmn ng lahat n npkhirap gawin kay lyoto...

VenoM_Unleashed · « **Reply #1846 on:** Aug 07, 2013 at 09:26 AM »

^ I don't know if that's enough to merit a win, dalawa lang 'yun take downs one take down in round 1 and 1 in round 2. 'Yung effective defense sa take down noong round 3, wala bang score 'yun? If that's the case, baka isipin ng ibang fighters na maka take down lang sila kahit isa bawat round kahit talo sila sa striking sila pa din mananalo. Talo si Davis sa striking, pinakita naman sa HL ng bawat rounds.

XanderCage · « **Reply #1847 on:** Aug 07, 2013 at 10:21 PM »

wala eh ganun talaga i remember nung ultimate fighter 1, chris leben complained saying "this is the UFC not ultimate wrestling championship", referring to koscheck doing nothing but takedowns which gives him the W.

oznola · « **Reply #1848 on:** Aug 08, 2013 at 07:01 AM »

they can complain all they want, dapat lang maging motivation sa kanila yan not to rely on the judges to decide the outcome. finish opponents everytime dapat. that should be their goal.

rusty · « **Reply #1849 on:** Aug 08, 2013 at 10:39 AM »

nyeh

Motivation na pala ang incompetent judging ngayon. If anything, the Machida-Davis decision will encourage fighters that they can get away with "lay-and-pray" tactics, even if only at a brief period at the end of rounds.

vinci · « **Reply #1850 on:** Aug 18, 2013 at 10:38 AM »

wtf is wrong with overeem??? talo na naman parang pabaya e. tsk

dreidrei · « **Reply #1851 on:** Aug 18, 2013 at 10:45 AM »

urijah faber is on top form as ever. matt brown is reallyimpressive lately, 6 wins in a row! overeem, he is just lost! without the peds he is just losing it in the midway of the fight. hats off to travis browne for hanging in there.

VenoM_Unleashed · « **Reply #1852 on:** Aug 18, 2013 at 10:48 AM »

^ Yun nga sana sasabihin ko about Overeem

Shogun vs Chael coming up next. Interesting to see kung may natutunan nga si Shogun sa short training nya kay Freddie Roach.

VenoM_Unleashed · « **Reply #1853 on:** Aug 18, 2013 at 11:00 AM »

Deym! Shogun got caught in the guillotine. Hindi na utilize yung tinuro ni Roach. Tapos ang laban.

vinci · « **Reply #1854 on:** Aug 18, 2013 at 11:03 AM »

nahuli ni sonnen! galing may tinalo na ulit sya sa wakas!

VenoM_Unleashed · « **Reply #1855 on:** Aug 18, 2013 at 11:04 AM »

Shogun may have under estimated Chael. Now Chael is calling out "The Axe Murderer"

oznola · « **Reply #1856 on:** Aug 18, 2013 at 11:05 AM »

Quote from: vinci on Aug 18, 2013 at 11:03 AM

nahuli ni sonnen! galing may tinalo na ulit sya sa wakas!

yari! mas malaki nanaman sa mundo ang ego nyan ngayon lalo! sino nanaman kaya ang ire-request kay daddy Dana nyan?

dreidrei · « **Reply #1857 on:** Aug 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM »

whatever happened to uriah hall!! damn that guy is a waste of talent. he just lacks conviction!

Onkyo606 · « **Reply #1858 on:** Aug 18, 2013 at 01:16 PM »

saan pinalabas to? umuwi ako ng mga around 11am wala na sa balls?

Onkyo606 · « **Reply #1859 on:** Aug 18, 2013 at 01:22 PM »

so overeem yung tumalo kay broc kaya nag retire?