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Home Theater => Audio => Speakers => Topic started by: anchit on May 20, 2009 at 07:27 PM
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Hi guys
My center speaker is just the WH2 wharfe, sooobrang bitin ako. Mahina masyado ang daldalan, kahit orig dvd, or from egreat or dibidi.
Will there be an improvement if i upgrade to 9CS?
It is hooked up nga pala sa Yamaha 363, max na yung volume ng center sa setting.
thanks!
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Hi guys
My center speaker is just the WH2 wharfe, sooobrang bitin ako. Mahina masyado ang daldalan, kahit orig dvd, or from egreat or dibidi.
Will there be an improvement if i upgrade to 9CS?
It is hooked up nga pala sa Yamaha 363, max na yung volume ng center sa setting.
thanks!
malaking role ng CC sa movies brader anchit... :o
if you get a chance to grab 9cs 'wag mo ng pakawalan.... ;D ;D ;D Vanat Agad!... :D
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malaking role ng CC sa movies brader anchit... :o
if you get a chance to grab 9cs 'wag mo ng pakawalan.... ;D ;D ;D Vanat Agad!... :D
haha oo nga pre, iscout lang muna for better option. there is a rosewood 9cs sa FS thread, selling for 3.5k. baka lang may ams ok pa na ipalit. ;D
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I once owned a 9CS. Good speaker for start-up setup. Hindi ka mabibitin (unless you start itching ;D).
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higher level ba si 9CM kesa sa 9CS?
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yup bro anchit, bigger drivers ang 9cm sa 9cs.
Dati naka US audio ako na center speaker paired with wharfes 8.3, bitin din talga ko sa dialog, naka +8 ata ako sa AVR. Nakahanap ako ng 8cs, +0 na lang ngayon sa AVR.
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I can sell you a 9cs for only 4.4k and 9cm fir 6.2k. But you might want to consider the Polk Tsi series. A bit more expensive but way better sound than the wharfs. Come by my showroom so you can compare them. :)
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higher level ba si 9CM kesa sa 9CS?
tama si sir gunblade, brader anchit... 9CM is voice-matched sa 9.6, while 9CS for 9.5 ... ;D :D
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;D same here bro anchit. used to have a wh-2 center as a newbie very satisfied ako lalo na sa price performance ratio but eventually once you go deeper into this hobby tweaking this, tweaking that and going into details, there was an itch to replace it. i auditioned the 9cs and 9cm but i went with the 9cm tangal kati ;D
goodluck bro ;)
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Does it mean its more prudent not to scrimp on the center channel and go for the bigger center in the series if able?
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Does it mean its more prudent not to scrimp on the center channel and go for the bigger center in the series if able?
If possible, its best to use the same size drivers in all your speakers including rears - then calibrate using your AVR to boost/cut the volume of each set depending on your preference.
The center speaker handles 80-90% of any movie content - it could be viewed as the most important speaker in a HT setup. ;)
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Does it mean its more prudent not to scrimp on the center channel and go for the bigger center in the series if able?
not really sir, but it was based more on personal preference and satisfaction on my end and i also thought it sounded better ;)
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put it this way, in a movie ...
How many explosions happens on the left or right side of the screen ?
How many conversations happens on the right or left side of the screen ?
Ideally all speakers should be identical. This way when a jumbo jet pans from Left to Center to Right, it would sound like a jumbo jet moving from left to Center to right. Now kung maliit yung center channel mo.. it would sound like a Jumbo jet sa left side ..then magiging tora-tora pag nasa center channel na then it would transform back to a Jumbo jet again pag nasa Right Channel na....
Does it mean its more prudent not to scrimp on the center channel and go for the bigger center in the series if able?
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put it this way, in a movie ...
How many explosions happens on the left or right side of the screen ?
How many conversations happens on the right or left side of the screen ?
Ideally all speakers should be identical. This way when a jumbo jet pans from Left to Center to Right, it would sound like a jumbo jet moving from left to Center to right. Now kung maliit yung center channel mo.. it would sound like a Jumbo jet sa left side ..then magiging tora-tora pag nasa center channel na then it would transform back to a Jumbo jet again pag nasa Right Channel na....
Ok but should it pose an issue if a center speaker has a larger driver or smaller driver than the fronts and maybe rears. Some speaker brands only have 1 center speaker for a series. For example, MA BRs only have 1 5 1/2" drivers for its entire bronze line. Does it mean that the BR2 with 6 1/2" would drown out the center or do we just have to set the fronts to a lower level as compared to the center?
On the other hands, there are some shops who are advising to get bigger centers since a lot of their clients, like Anchit are "nabibitin" with the centers of the same size driver.
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Lowering the volume of the other speakers is not the perfect solution to get balanced sound, its like saying thats its okay to use a smaller speaker on the left channel with a bigger speaker on the right channel and fixing it by adjusting the balance knob. The frequency response of the speakers will not be the same.
I would rather have a bigger center channel than a smaller center
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Lowering the volume of the other speakers is not the perfect solution to get balanced sound, its like saying thats its okay to use a smaller speaker on the left channel with a bigger speaker on the right channel and fixing it by adjusting the balance knob. The frequency response of the speakers will not be the same.
I would rather have a bigger center channel than a smaller center
Going back to the MA BR scenario, sorry am really a newbie, if you have a bookshelf 1 x 6-1/2 (BR2) and a 2 x 5-1/2 center (LCRBR), would that be ok? The BR 5 floorstander on the other hand, has 2 5-1/2 drivers. Would that be a better fit?
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There a lot of factors aside from the speakers, small room go with the bookshelves....the money you save spend it on the largest sub you can get :)
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thanks for the inputs guys! medyo off lang kasi color nung 9CS na nasa FS section natin. ill try to look for another one, but would defintely upgrade my CC.
thanks!
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So far ok nmn 9cs ko in my entry level setup, paired with 9.1 fronts. +2 setting sa hk avr :)
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anchit,
If I may, have Anthony tweak your Wharfe center speaker. You can have him change your tweater to Velodyne so that you will get high resolution highs which will clear up the vocals. The cross-over may be tweaked also so that the it will be at par with your clones. Discuss this with him if possible.
Good luck.
JoeyGS
thanks for the inputs guys! medyo off lang kasi color nung 9CS na nasa FS section natin. ill try to look for another one, but would defintely upgrade my CC.
thanks!
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Look for a center channel with a higher sensitivity and easier to drive like specs with 8 ohms and 90 sensitivity
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Look for a center channel with a higher sensitivity and easier to drive like specs with 8 ohms and 90 sensitivity
agree! (di naman yata kasi nagkakalayo specs ng wh/cs/cm in terms of sensitivity kaya baka pareho lang sa pandinig mo).......kaya lang baka timbre matching naman maging issue (?)
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ang alam ko maraming nagsasabing ok ang center ng yamaha ah, so for sure sa speaker talaga. and yes, Anthony can make you a better center, yan ay kung may time pa itong master A sa dami ng ventures ;)
if I may add...
noong pinickup ko ang 5 footer FS ni Doc Mel, got a chance to audition his ht setup using the new FS (likewise) from Anthony (DIY_Master) but using the old center na ka-match ng kinuha kong FS. I noticed kaagad na bitin ang center at hindi match sa new FS nya. kaya ayun, nagpagawa agad si Doc ng matched center AND the best part?...
...nasa akin na rin ang center ;D :o and as usual very friendly price (thanks amigong Mel)...
and so both setup, live happily ever after ;D
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Hi guys
My center speaker is just the WH2 wharfe, sooobrang bitin ako. Mahina masyado ang daldalan, kahit orig dvd, or from egreat or dibidi.
Will there be an improvement if i upgrade to 9CS?
It is hooked up nga pala sa Yamaha 363, max na yung volume ng center sa setting.
thanks!
just as a side comment... a friend of mine has a big room, he's now using two centers speakers
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EY Bro Anchit,
Saw your front speakers in your thread and they are quite big right? You might be better off with the CM. Like Qguy said earlier and if I may derive, your center speaker should be a real workhorse ;D And if like you said, you're bitin..... :D
Cheers!
Blackie
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Bro, better upgrade your center channel. Center channel is usually use for dialogues in movies. Better to have a more powerful center than L&R. Better also if you will pair it with the same series of your speakers to have a balance sound "timber matching".
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Question for Wharfedale owners, doesn't the "mahina" characteristic also have something to do with the laid-back sound of Wharfedale speakers?
When I listened to both Wharfedales and Infinitys kasi, ang layo ng difference ng sound characteristic nila.
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anog ba matched sa Wharfe Crystal 40, yan ang fronts ko right now eh.
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anog ba matched sa Wharfe Crystal 40, yan ang fronts ko right now eh.
Not sure but it might be this.
http://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-Crystal-CR-Centre-channel-speaker/dp/B0002CK8H6
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A beefy A/V Receiver will solve your problem pre... if you have the money to upgrade na, pero kung kulang pa, a speaker (center) replacement will do for awhile :)
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hindi ba kaya sir sa pagtaas ng gain ng center..ako din kasi bitin dati..tinaasan ko ung gain at ilang beses ko ni relocate yung sub ko..
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Hi guys
My center speaker is just the WH2 wharfe, sooobrang bitin ako. Mahina masyado ang daldalan, kahit orig dvd, or from egreat or dibidi.
Will there be an improvement if i upgrade to 9CS?
It is hooked up nga pala sa Yamaha 363, max na yung volume ng center sa setting.
thanks!
a friend of mine used 2 center speakers... i was quite impressed with the result... been wanting to try it din... if you can borrow a spare, why not give it a try...
BUT... BTW... he uses a power amp and each center has its own power channel...
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hindi ba kaya sir sa pagtaas ng gain ng center..ako din kasi bitin dati..tinaasan ko ung gain at ilang beses ko ni relocate yung sub ko..
in my setup, the CC speaker is 1 or 2 clicks gain lower than L/R fronts.
based on my observations, if you triangulate your position between L/R speakers @ equilateral triangle the CC is +/-20% closer than the L/R speakers..
there are two ways to balance the L/C/R; by distance or gain control...
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ive taken the first option, asked anthony to tweak it, will change the tweeter to velo tweet and also change the xover, already gave the spekers to him this morning when he delivered my sweet clones.=)
hopefully by sat eb madala na nya.
lets see then hehe
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Sir you may take into consideration on upgrading your receiver in the future. Hirap talaga kapag manual adjustment ang ginagawa sa volume ng speaker. Konting adjust sa center baka hindi na sya mag-balance sa left, right and surrounds. Get a receiver with YPAO (Yamaha), Audyssey/Auto Setup (Denon) or any receiver with similar feature. It is a big help if you have this feature in your receiver (IMO) because it will automatically adjust the volume of your speakers depending on the room and listener's location. Hopefully for now that 'first option' will solve the problem.
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Sir you may take into consideration on upgrading your receiver in the future. Hirap talaga kapag manual adjustment ang ginagawa sa volume ng speaker. Konting adjust sa center baka hindi na sya mag-balance sa left, right and surrounds. Get a receiver with YPAO (Yamaha), Audyssey/Auto Setup (Denon) or any receiver with similar feature. It is a big help if you have this feature in your receiver (IMO) because it will automatically adjust the volume of your speakers depending on the room and listener's location. Hopefully for now that 'first option' will solve the problem.
hello, my yammy has YPAO, hindi ko lang makita yung mic. ;D
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hello, my yammy has YPAO, hindi ko lang makita yung mic. ;D
SPL meter would do. But that's around P3k. It's what I use, di ko pa natry yung YPAO ng 663 ko.
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hello, my yammy has YPAO, hindi ko lang makita yung mic. ;D
Hehehe. ;D
Have you tried using it sir? Hiram na lang kayo kung nawawala. ;D SPL is another option like what sir blued said. Kaso pandagdag na rin yun ng decent center.
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any updates from the threadstarter? Im having the same problem medyo nabibitin ako sa polk audio cs10 center speakers ko powered with HK 255 naka +8 na, treble is set to max and crossover is set to 100hz para maging clear and direct sounding yung dialogues. I did the calibration na. Do I need to upgrade to cs20? Any inputs? :)
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Ingatan niyo yung masyadong mataas na + sa levels baka mamaya may masunog sa speakers niyo. :-X
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a friend of mine used 2 center speakers... i was quite impressed with the result... been wanting to try it din... if you can borrow a spare, why not give it a try...
BUT... BTW... he uses a power amp and each center has its own power channel...
This is a good idea.... hmmm, lemme try it this weekend. pero kailangan dito match yung 2 center mo or else sayang lang kung di magpantay yung sound. ???
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a friend of mine used 2 center speakers... i was quite impressed with the result... been wanting to try it din... if you can borrow a spare, why not give it a try...
BUT... BTW... he uses a power amp and each center has its own power channel...
This is a good idea.... hmmm, lemme try it this weekend. pero kailangan dito match yung 2 center mo or else sayang lang kung di magpantay yung sound. ???
not a good idea if you don't have a separate amp. if you put the two center speakers in parallel and pump up the volume you might fry your receiver's center channel amp because of the low impedance. you will theoretically get the same output if connected in series, but if your speakers are not placed side by side you will actually get less output.
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Ingatan niyo yung masyadong mataas na + sa levels baka mamaya may masunog sa speakers niyo. :-X
Does this apply to powered subs as well? Does the subout feed power to it? TIA
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Does this apply to powered subs as well? Does the subout feed power to it? TIA
there are two ways to damage your subwoofers this way:
1) too much + on the LFE channel = signal clipping might damage the input (rare but possible)
1a) the outputs churn out volts instead of watts IIRC
2) too much boost to the subwoofer channel means when you UP your master volume, the subwoofer would be working as much as 2.5x more than the other channels.
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there are two ways to damage your subwoofers this way:
1) too much + on the LFE channel = signal clipping might damage the input (rare but possible)
1a) the outputs churn out volts instead of watts IIRC
2) too much boost to the subwoofer channel means when you UP your master volume, the subwoofer would be working as much as 2.5x more than the other channels.
very informative as always sir mike! Thank you very much. kaso i think i need to make my query more specific.
audyssey suggests that we set the volume on the sub at 12 o' clock position (so volume is not maxed out on the sub). so for example, i got a -3db after the calibration. I raised the sub volume to +3db on the AVR. Is this ok? Or is it better to just use the volume controls on the sub itself? again TIA. :)
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very informative as always sir mike! Thank you very much. kaso i think i need to make my query more specific.
audyssey suggests that we set the volume on the sub at 12 o' clock position (so volume is not maxed out on the sub). so for example, i got a -3db after the calibration. I raised the sub volume to +3db on the AVR. Is this ok? Or is it better to just use the volume controls on the sub itself? again TIA. :)
i think it's ok, 3db isn't that much.
in terms of signal input, you're pretty safe.
in terms of subwoofer output, that's a 6db gain (6db hot is twice as loud) ... basta kaya ng subwoofer, no problem.
i always set each of my subs 6db hot.
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Thanks mike!!!!
"safe" is the word I'm looking for. ;D