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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #390 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 11:53 AM »
Hi, may new sighting ako Sansui alpha607 is this a good amp ? 6.5k ang asking price. nakita ko sa pier today. does it have digital outs ? Thanks !! :)

uy same series nyan yung sansui ko, mine is alpha707... oks yan i think basta walang sira... pero mahal masyado asking price niya, it should be 4k only.

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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #391 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 11:55 AM »
Hi, may new sighting ako Sansui alpha607 is this a good amp ? 6.5k ang asking price. nakita ko sa pier today. does it have digital outs ? Thanks !! :)

Why are you looking for an amp that have digital outs? What's your purpose?

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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #392 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 11:56 AM »
Akyat,

Uy you good the accuphase na pala?? pa audition naman sir.. hehehe

sir pa audition din nung accuphase mukhang maganda yan ah! :D :D :D :D

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« Reply #393 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 12:02 PM »
Kimpao,

Kala ko usap tayo hehehe mamaya ulit usap tayo about sa accuphase ni Sir Akyat hehehe

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« Reply #394 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 12:08 PM »
Kimpao,

Kala ko usap tayo hehehe mamaya ulit usap tayo about sa accuphase ni Sir Akyat hehehe

OT lang. sir pasensya na, ilan araw na ako umaga nakakauwi dami hinahabol sa ofc. tawag ako ngayon pre.

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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #395 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 12:59 PM »
sige, mga pre pag naayos ko na yung problem sa static... mukhang nasa speaker switch nanggagaling... ayan kasi, hinde nakikinig sa previous owner, sinabi na nga madumi yung speaker switch eh, hehe buti nakahiram ako ng contact cleaner kay pareng karipas.

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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #396 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 01:45 PM »
Typically, speaker switches are relay-activated, especially in large, powerful and expensive amps.  Contact cleaners will do fine with ordinary switches.  Am just not so sure about relay contacts which are sealed.  Hope your speaker swithces are not relay activated, Akyat.
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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #397 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 01:59 PM »
Sir Av_phile,

Yun nga ang tanong nya sa kin kanina umaga. If this is the case how can we repair it? Can we open the relay or do we have to replace it? If it needs to be replaced, is it ok to look for a replacement or do we need to look for the exact value?

Any suggestion on where can akyat source the component is very much appreciated, since Monday pa nag-iisip si akyat kung pano maaayos yun static... he he he he.
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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #398 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 05:06 PM »
its a wierd thing so i'm not yet too ecstatic about the unit... on one hand, its a real "upper mid-end" amp that i got for a bargain, on the other hand there's a catch.

like this morning i played it as soon as i got up, and it played flawlessly that i left home kinda late at 10:30am already, it was that hard to leave... but just last night a couple of friends were asking to hear it, and... ayun sinumpong, like the talking donkey in shrek.
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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #399 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 05:59 PM »
Based on experience, some relays are vacuum sealed to prevent oxidation of contacts.  But they are used in expensive equipment like in commerical aircraft where I used to work.  They can't be opened and must be replaced if inoperable.

The relay switches used on home audio circuits are also sealed but am not sure if evacuated.  Many are the clear see-thru types and can be opened.  You will have to buff the copper contact plates which are very sensitive and delicate with a high risk of ruining them.   I suggest you visit Deeco or some beter electronic shops in Raon and ask for speaker relay switch or microswitch.  These relays are either voltage or current activated so you will need to know what the ratings are in the relay switch you will replace.   Better still, dislodge the offending relay and bring it with you when canvassing for a new one in Raon.  

You could ofcourse bridge or short the contacts, thus bypassing the amplifer protection circuit.  I am just not so sure how complicated the circuitry is in the Accuphase amp to safely do this.


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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #400 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 06:23 PM »
its a wierd thing so i'm not yet too ecstatic about the unit... on one hand, its a real "upper mid-end" amp that i got for a bargain, on the other hand there's a catch.

like this morning i played it as soon as i got up, and it played flawlessly that i left home kinda late at 10:30am already, it was that hard to leave... but just last night a couple of friends were asking to hear it, and... ayun sinumpong, like the talking donkey in shrek.

Are you absolutely certain it's the speaker relay switches that are at fault?  Why don't you have a good technician look at it first.  You may have some loose grounding somewhere.  Speaker relay switches are often very well built and robust especially in hi end gears.  how old na ba are the amps?  Is it the same for both channels?  For both speakers A and B?


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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #401 on: Feb 18, 2004 at 06:59 PM »
Sir philander, sorry nagkamali lang, tanong ko pala is kung may digital input  ::)
Sir akyat, oo nga sobra mahal, sa tingin mo which is better the sansui alpha 607 or the denon pma-780d ?
Which would you buy ?Thanks !!! :)

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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #402 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 12:37 PM »
Sir philander, sorry nagkamali lang, tanong ko pala is kung may digital input  ::)
Sir akyat, oo nga sobra mahal, sa tingin mo which is better the sansui alpha 607 or the denon pma-780d ?
Which would you buy ?Thanks !!! :)

hmmm depends on what you already have... if you have a generic DVD player and you're not satisfied with the audio outs, you may want the Denon for its built-in audio DACS... otherwise it all boils down to which sound you prefer... if it were me i'll get the denon coz i already have the higher model sansui, but if i didn't have a sansui yet, i might get the sansui coz i've already had a denon before... its quite dependent on what you already had.

do consider also arthurallanj's suggestion for sakura amps in another thread... they're cheaper and newer with warranty pa.

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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #403 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 12:55 PM »
Are you absolutely certain it's the speaker relay switches that are at fault?  Why don't you have a good technician look at it first.  You may have some loose grounding somewhere.  Speaker relay switches are often very well built and robust especially in hi end gears.  how old na ba are the amps?  Is it the same for both channels?  For both speakers A and B?

know what?  i may be wrong about the speaker switch..  just this morning i was playing the amp and switched speaker A & B several times -- there was no problem at all.

it is during these times that i notice how good it sounds.. some complex tracks which sound "confused" and bright on other amps sound natural on this amp.

last night i played it for 4 hours continuously with no problems.. then i went out for a while, and when i came back, i turned on the amp, played a CD, and there it was again, that annoying static sound.. in the morning it was gone.

the previous owner said he hasn't experienced this static sound.. so i'm wondering if it's eating up so much current (power consumption: 830W) that i really need to put it in a separate outlet?  its kinda sharing the same outlet as my 32" TV, DVD player and others.. but i thought it doesn't consume very much when i'm not playing loud.
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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #404 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 01:04 PM »
better have your amp on its own separate outlet.
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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #405 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 01:11 PM »
better have you amp on its own separate outlet.


oonga bro. baka para yan ung rotel amp ko where the manual suggests to have its own outlet. no sharing allowed-parang eat all you can anoo ;D
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« Reply #406 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 01:24 PM »
Akyat,

psssh pre you can use your aircon outlet  ;D ;D


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« Reply #407 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 01:36 PM »
hans, baka hindi lang static lumabas dun.... pati usok!  ;D

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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #408 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 06:49 PM »
"Goodbye akyatbundok. I already have a new home. New Speakers to drive. A new team mate receiver. Hope my new master will not overdrive me and will not connect a hard-to-drive speakers to me."

- SONY TA-F333ESX Integrated Stereo Amplifier
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« Reply #409 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 08:37 PM »

"Goodbye akyatbundok. I already have a new home. New Speakers to drive. A new team mate receiver. Hope my new master won't overdrive me and won't connect a hard-to-drive speakers to me."

- SONY ES AMP.


congrats nels, ok yan...pinakawalan din ha ;D ;D ;D
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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #410 on: Feb 19, 2004 at 11:32 PM »
Narayan,

Thanks.

- This Amp will be my dedicated Stereo Set-up
- Will power my 2 Surround Back.
- Will power my Outdoor setup during parties and every new year's eve.
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« Reply #411 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 07:33 AM »
Narayan,

Thanks.

- This Amp will be my dedicated Stereo Set-up
- Will power my 2 Surround Back.
- Will power my Outdoor setup during parties and every new year's eve.

Ano kaya ang susunod na pakakawalan sana yong  ;D ;D ;Dpara ako naman ;D

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« Reply #412 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 09:15 AM »
Nel76,

Congrats pre.. i had the pleasure to hear that wonderful amp and my impression is balance sound sweetness and dynamic all in one..  :)

J_albert,

Pre wait ka lang malapit na..

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« Reply #413 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 10:33 AM »
sir akyat, Thanks !!

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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #414 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 02:05 PM »
better have your amp on its own separate outlet.

A separate outlet, unless it proceeds from a separate fuse box, may not make a difference.    

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« Reply #415 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 02:13 PM »
know what?  i may be wrong about the speaker switch..  just this morning i was playing the amp and switched speaker A & B several times -- there was no problem at all.

it is during these times that i notice how good it sounds.. some complex tracks which sound "confused" and bright on other amps sound natural on this amp.

last night i played it for 4 hours continuously with no problems.. then i went out for a while, and when i came back, i turned on the amp, played a CD, and there it was again, that annoying static sound.. in the morning it was gone.

the previous owner said he hasn't experienced this static sound.. so i'm wondering if it's eating up so much current (power consumption: 830W) that i really need to put it in a separate outlet?  its kinda sharing the same outlet as my 32" TV, DVD player and others.. but i thought it doesn't consume very much when i'm not playing loud.

Is this amp pure class A?  If not, i would be so brash to suggest you leave it on always once you get the occasion to hear it's ok.  Power consumption won't be that much when idle if not class A.  Just to let you know, many audiophiles never turn off their gears unlesss they go on extended vacation.  


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« Reply #416 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 02:18 PM »
hmmm this got me thinking again mga brods... the specs say the amp consumes 60W when idle, but maximum consumption is 830W... now when listening at low volume the VU meters say power output is between 1W-30W per channel... so how much electricity is it consuming?  can i assume a little above 60W only?

i'm confused coz i haven't had static for 2 days now, at any volume level.. the only change i made was prior to that i moved the speaker wires to speaker B upon the suggestion of homer.. but strangely, immediately after i did that, there was static, but it was gone after a few minutes.. been in heaven since then.  :)

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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #417 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 02:32 PM »
Yup, you can assume it eats around 100 to 150 watts at low volumes, except durig peak musical transients when the consumption can be instantaneously higher, even double. Is your VU meter average or peak indicating?  

It's obviously not class A.  I would say 60 watts power conumsption when idle is OK  So you can leave it ON all the time unless you're out for long periods.  

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« Reply #418 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 02:53 PM »
thanks bro av_phile1, i'll do that whenever practical.

naku mr. "golden-ears" nels76, gud luck sa ES amp mo, mukhang pang "rugged use" yan binabalak mo ha, sensya na ang tagal kita binitin... sana hindi ka nagka slipped disk sa pagbuhat nyan hehehe.  ;D ;D

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Re:Surplus amps & speakers
« Reply #419 on: Feb 20, 2004 at 06:57 PM »
First Impression sa Sony ES Amp.

IMHO, i found this amp neutral sounding connected to my MS 902 and having a VCD/CD Player as the source.

Haven't connected though to my MS 912.

And also this AMP does not get hot easily compared to my Kenwood Receiver on stereo use.

Better dynamics or should I say full-bodied ang sound compared to the 9060D on stereo.

I thought the clipping would be solved when I change AMP. Hindi pala. Still I am not comfortable to listen to high volume. Anyway, this SONY ES - MS 902 is set up in my room (3m x 3m). I hope harshness will be gone when I move the set up to the Sala next month.

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