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Home Theater => Audio => Setting Up => Topic started by: comitatus on Aug 20, 2009 at 01:22 AM
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i have no idea how to build one nor do i even know how to throw the right questions...
all we have around the house are panels with players, and as much as possible i'd like yo perform the install myself... if it wouldn't be so difficult.
thanks
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1. budget
2. select place to install ht and prepare room acoustics / electrical connection / ventilation /
wall brackets for your surround speakers (if needed) HT seats para sa pdvd members na makikinood hehehe joke
check your a/v components
audio video receiver
speakers - fronts / center / surrounds / subwoofer
dvd/bd player
interconnects - rca analog cables / hdmi / digital coax or optical toslink
speaker cables
LCD, plasma projector or crt
automatic voltage regulator (avr)/ line conditioner - to protect your gears
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unsolicited advice on ht.audio hobby :
audition
TRUST YOUR EARS EYES and WALLET... coz at the end of the day, YOU NOT US will sit back relax and enjoy (or mabuwisit) sa mga gears mo. remember - what you hear at the a/shops showrooms demos might not be the same when you install it in your place. be aware of glib-tongued salesmen and store sulsultants? ;D and dont believe daw sa snake-oil merchants ;D ::)
GOODLUCK!
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i have no idea how to build one nor do i even know how to throw the right questions...
all we have around the house are panels with players, and as much as possible i'd like yo perform the install myself... if it wouldn't be so difficult.
thanks
First question (and related ones) -- In which room will you set it up? Do you have a dedicated room? What are the dimensions of the room? Is the room enclosed or does it open to other spaces?
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Will you use a projector? If yes, would you know where the wires from the back will run to the front (ie. run from the side, over the ceiling)? I would suggest over the ceiling para nakatago (but it will entail more costs since you have to re-paint the entire room).
Get a good projector (1080P, i really like the new JVC), screen (something like 120" glass beaded with a good gain) and a receiver (no. of channels depends on the size of your room, if you can accomodate 7-9 channels/dual subs then go for it).
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i have no idea how to build one nor do i even know how to throw the right questions...
all we have around the house are panels with players, and as much as possible i'd like yo perform the install myself... if it wouldn't be so difficult.
thanks
it all depends on how far you want to go with it really... as previously mentioned by the other wise posters, it'll depend on what kind of system you want (hitb? full ht gear? 5.1? 7.1? some room treatment?), your budget? the characteristics of the room itself... also it would be best to figure out from the get go how important aesthetics are for you, as hiding wires and such are much harder if you take it by the moment.
for me a very good av receiver is always important, as it will be the one powering and connecting almost everything else to each other... setting up shouldn't be that hard, except maybe if you have to mount surround speakers to walls (and consequently wiring said speakers in an aesthetically acceptable fashion) as some of us have either been forced or chosen to do...
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i have no idea how to build one nor do i even know how to throw the right questions...
all we have around the house are panels with players, and as much as possible i'd like yo perform the install myself... if it wouldn't be so difficult.
thanks
Easy lang yan sister. You can do it yourself.
Si Miss tonedeaf nga, siya mismo ang nag set-up:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=70807.msg726357#msg726357
Atty. tonedeaf has a blog, by the way: http://y2kb.blogspot.com/2005/10/music-to-my-ears.html
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Build a 5.1 sound system. Parts --- 1 AV receiver, 5 speakers, 1 subwoofer.
AV Receiver: Yamaha RX-V765
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=5028422&CTID=5000300
5 speakers: Wharfedale Diamond 9 series --- 1 pair DIA 9.5; 1 piece DIA CM; and 1 pair DIA SR (or DIA 9.DFS)
http://www.wharfedale.co.uk/Products/ProductSeries/tabid/77/PID/10/language/en-GB/Default.aspx#detail
Subwoofer: SVS PB10NSD
http://www.mkcinternational.com/PB10NSD.html
Get the SVS from our member sir mike c, the official Philippine distributor. http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=92640.180
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Build a 5.1 sound system. Parts --- 1 AV receiver, 5 speakers, 1 subwoofer.
AV Receiver: Yamaha RX-V765
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=5028422&CTID=5000300
5 speakers: Wharfedale Diamond 9 series --- 1 pair DIA 9.5; 1 piece DIA CM; and 1 pair DIA SR (or DIA 9.DFS)
http://www.wharfedale.co.uk/Products/ProductSeries/tabid/77/PID/10/language/en-GB/Default.aspx#detail
Subwoofer: SVS PB10NSD
http://www.mkcinternational.com/PB10NSD.html
Get the SVS from our member sir mike c, the official Philippine distributor. http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=92640.180
lupit ng line up ni sir barrister. great recos! ;D
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thanks guys! is there a necessary skill required for the install? is there a specific yardstick to measure which ones good or bad?
thanks again.
@barrister
how much naman kaya yan? estimate? ;)
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I think the stuff barrister mentioned is around 85k.
~25k for the Wharfedales, 33k for the SVS PB10-NSD and ~27k for the RX-V765.
Very important yung sound characteristics ng speakers because some sound laid back, some neutral, some a bit forward. So since you and Carlo777 frequent AV shops naman, I don't think auditioning is a problem.
Wharfedale is cheap compared to other brands (Infinity, JBL, Polk Audio, Klipsch, Paradigm, etc.)
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I think the stuff barrister mentioned is around 85k.
~25k for the Wharfedales, 33k for the SVS PB10-NSD and ~27k for the RX-V765.
Very important yung sound characteristics ng speakers because some sound laid back, some neutral, some a bit forward. So since you and Carlo777 frequent AV shops naman, I don't think auditioning is a problem.
Wharfedale is cheap compared to other brands (Infinity, JBL, Polk Audio, Klipsch, Paradigm, etc.)
thank you sir...medyo dumb question but what do you mean by..."some sound laid back, some neutral, some a bit forward"
though carlo777 frequents av shops, he also does not know these things...and remains uninterested in any form of audio enhancements and almost most music or sound related stuff in-general :)
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@barrister
how much naman kaya yan? estimate? ;)
Cheap lang yan kumare. Around P90K+ total siguro.
(Edit -- nag post pala si sir blued ng price, I think his price is more accurate.)
is there a necessary skill required for the install? is there a specific yardstick to measure which ones good or bad?
Installing is easy. You just connect the parts together with cables.
But choosing the right components will require some research. That's why I went straight to the specific models, since I didn't want to bore you with a tech discussion.
But if you want to do some of your own research, here are some principles that you can use as starting points:
1. The power of your receiver and the size of your speakers will depend on the size of your room.
2. Receivers must be properly matched with speakers. Different receivers and speakers each have their own sound signatures, or sound qualities and characteristics unique to each manufacturer and model series. Even high quality receivers and speakers will sound bad if they are not properly matched with each other.
3. Speakers must be positioned correctly in order to produce a proper sound field.
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Cheap lang yan kumare. Around P90K+ total siguro.
(Edit -- nag post pala si sir blued ng price, I think his price is more accurate.)
Installing is easy. You just connect the parts together with cables.
But choosing the right components will require some research. That's why I went straight to the specific models, since I didn't want to bore you with a tech discussion.
But if you want to do some of your own research, here are some principles that you can use as starting points:
1. The power of your receiver and the size of your speakers will depend on the size of your room.
2. Receivers must be properly matched with speakers. Different receivers and speakers each have their own sound signatures, or sound qualities and characteristics unique to each manufacturer and model series. Even high quality receivers and speakers will sound bad if they are not properly matched with each other.
3. Speakers must be positioned correctly in order to produce a proper sound field.
90k? mahal pala, more expensive than most single tv purchase we've made...pang t.v lang ba yan? or i could use it na din as my sound system...=)
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1. The power of your receiver and the size of your speakers will depend on the size of your room.
Exactly. That's why the first question should deal with the size of the room, its shape, if its a dedicated AV room, if it opens to other spaces, etc.
Pretty hard to make any recommendation (other than sources) unless you know the characteristics of the room.
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Exactly. That's why the first question should deal with the size of the room, its shape, if its a dedicated AV room, if it opens to other spaces, etc.
Pretty hard to make any recommendation (other than sources) unless you know the characteristics of the room.
ok, i'll get the size of the room :)
thanks.
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90k? mahal pala, more expensive than most single tv purchase we've made...pang t.v lang ba yan? or i could use it na din as my sound system...=)
Primarily for home video. Puwede rin sa music.
For music, I recommend setting the receiver at PureDirect (that's Yamaha's pure straight 2-channel). The best option for music is still a separate 2-channel set-up, but I wouldn't recommend it ---- too much na talaga ... :P.
Mid-end set up lang yan, but it's good enough for me.
Hindi naman masyadong magastos kasi audio system upgrades will be far less frequent than TV upgrades ---- promise ;).
But if you have at least a mid-end multi-channel setup, the viewing experience will be way better. Try watching a horror movie on that gear. :o
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If you lack that kind of budget and you just wish to have a basic multi-channel system, you can always piece together a good setup by constantly looking at the marketplace. Daming good finds and affordable stuff being sold here everyday!
Cut in half agad, or even lower yung immediate cost if you buy pre-owned. Take note though that no warranty for pre-owned items. Good to purchase from pinoydvd members too since most people here take care of their equipment and know each other.
But if you want the latest in technology to be able to play all formats without problems- like Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD Master Audio, hdmi 1.3, etc you better get the latest models.
When getting an AV receiver, best you find one with multi-channel inputs and pre-outs so you have options to expand.
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Barya lang ni comitatus yan ... she's just too modest to say so ... ;).
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thanks guys! is there a necessary skill required for the install? is there a specific yardstick to measure which ones good or bad?
thanks again.
dami po mag-volunteer dito mga gurus na mag-install para sa iyo o tumulong mag-install.
o ano? volunteers!!!? ::) ::) ::)
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haha sus kung non-issue pala ang cost, naku daming pwde bilhin!
For every system purchase, step one is to set your overall budget. From there, we can all pitch-in the best combination of gears, accessories and perhaps even acoustic treatment and remodelling of your own home theater environment hehe! Also best for you to take a peek in the pinoydvd galleries to see the wonderful setups of our members here
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Primarily for home video. Puwede rin sa music.
For music, I recommend setting the receiver at PureDirect (that's Yamaha's pure straight 2-channel). The best option for music is still a separate 2-channel set-up, but I wouldn't recommend it ---- too much na talaga ... :P.
Mid-end set up lang yan, but it's good enough for me.
Hindi naman masyadong magastos kasi audio system upgrades will be far less frequent than TV upgrades ---- promise ;).
But if you have at least a mid-end multi-channel setup, the viewing experience will be way better. Try watching a horror movie on that gear. :o
talaga ha ;)
about the 90k, akala ko kasi mga 35k lang yan - 50k tops!
dami po mag-volunteer dito mga gurus na mag-install para sa iyo o tumulong mag-install.
o ano? volunteers!!!? ::) ::) ::)
hahahaha why not, but baka too expensive naman yan and i hope a good lunch or dinner would be enough payment?
:)
haha sus kung non-issue pala ang cost, naku daming pwde bilhin!
For every system purchase, step one is to set your overall budget. From there, we can all pitch-in the best combination of gears, accessories and perhaps even acoustic treatment and remodelling of your own home theater environment hehe! Also best for you to take a peek in the pinoydvd galleries to see the wonderful setups of our members here
i'll think about that...=)
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great discussion guys, moved the topic to its appropriate place. :)
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great discussion guys, moved the topic to its appropriate place. :)
Woooops...sorry po sorry po :)
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If you go sa mga consumer stores like Abenson's or SM Appliance center, you can find a Yamaha receiver bundled with multi-channel speakers already for around P35T brand new. A lot of HTIB systems around P10-15T are also cheaper alternatives. These are small speakers though, if you have a very small space then this might be good enough. But if you need power, and the real experience of a movie theater, the cheaper systems are not the best options.
A warning, if you constantly browse the pinoydvd forum, patay ka! You will never be satisfied with your current gear! So upgradability is key and get components that are popular in the forums so in case you will upgrade to a higher-end model, may resale value pa sya hehe
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one way to cut costs and control when you want to upgrade is (but still get way more performance than the built in tv speakers):
-start with the AV receiver recommended here and just 2 speakers for the left and the right.
-one day when you feel you can upgrade, i would humbly recommend a subwoofer
-after the 2.1 setup ... you can choose between a center channel or the surround channels
[thanks sir barrister for the recommendation]
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If you go sa mga consumer stores like Abenson's or SM Appliance center, you can find a Yamaha receiver bundled with multi-channel speakers already for around P35T brand new. A lot of HTIB systems around P10-15T are also cheaper alternatives. These are small speakers though, if you have a very small space then this might be good enough. But if you need power, and the real experience of a movie theater, the cheaper systems are not the best options.
A warning, if you constantly browse the pinoydvd forum, patay ka! You will never be satisfied with your current gear! So upgradability is key and get components that are popular in the forums so in case you will upgrade to a higher-end model, may resale value pa sya hehe
Yup, i looked at the galleries and they are very very attractive=)
one way to cut costs and control when you want to upgrade is (but still get way more performance than the built in tv speakers):
-start with the AV receiver recommended here and just 2 speakers for the left and the right.
-one day when you feel you can upgrade, i would humbly recommend a subwoofer
-after the 2.1 setup ... you can choose between a center channel or the surround channels
[thanks sir barrister for the recommendation]
thank you po ;)
@everybody
the room i selected is a 40 square meter space, it's a dedicated room where i do my exercises (i dance a lot) so having a good audio-video set up will be nice.
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comitatus, you posted that you have pala a 50"' Pana LCD! Sus dapat malakas speaker setup mo nyan para bagay sa huge LCD mo. Forget the small cheap systems. Save up for what barrister proposed. It's a very good system already, and I think the cheapest with high-quality components. As sire mike suggested, you can do it one-step at a time. Or just max out your credit card if you want them all immediately ;D
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comitatus, you posted that you have pala a 50"' Pana LCD! Sus dapat malakas speaker setup mo nyan para bagay sa huge LCD mo. Forget the small cheap systems. Save up for what barrister proposed. It's a very good system already, and I think the cheapest with high-quality components. As sire mike suggested, you can do it one-step at a time. Or just max out your credit card if you want them all immediately ;D
Yuriko lalang po, that's my name=)
i'll be using a 32 inch lcd for the room i mentioned...maybe 42 inches we'll see...
and i'll never max out my credit card...nope...no way :D
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Yup, i looked at the galleries and they are very very attractive=)
thank you po ;)
@everybody
the room i selected is a 40 square meter space, it's a dedicated room where i do my exercises (i dance a lot) so having a good audio-video set up will be nice.
hmmm.... this is a fairly big room, how's the room height 8,9 or 10 feet? but from seeing other members' set up, you will be needing a fairly big receiver to be able to power the appropriate floor standing speakers. and i won't be surprise that some members might suggest going separates, meaning pre-amp, processor and power amp or receiver + power amp combi.
32" for a 40 square meter room, the panel might appear a little smallish for such a room.
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hmmm.... this is a fairly big room, how's the room height 8,9 or 10 feet? but from seeing other members' set up, you will be needing a fairly big receiver to be able to power the appropriate floor standing speakers. and i won't be surprise that some members might suggest going separates, meaning pre-amp, processor and power amp or receiver + power amp combi.
32" for a 40 square meter room, the panel might appear a little smallish for such a room.
Hahaha! For this size of a room, kelangan ng projector and a 100" screen minimum! ;D ;D ;D
Panasonic AE-2000 projector + screen .. maybe P140k.
Maybe an Onkyo 875 AVR or Denon 2809 + a good set of 5 speakers (marami naman maka-suggest) .. maybe P120k.
Finally an SVS sub .. another P40k - P80k.
May seem a little expensive but it will be worth it. ;D
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very big room indeed..baka pwede lagyan ng divider yan..since she said she dances on that area..so baka pwede enough room for dancing and viewing (since 32" lang ata gagamitin)
tapos kung 7.1 naman ynug receiver eh pwede nya gamitin yung zone 2 at maglagay ng dedicated na 2 speaker outside the divider para sa music nya..o kaya yung divider eh pwede i fold away :D
need power amp dyan to fill up the room
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Awwwww...pamahal ng pamahal :( lol
the 100 inch projector screen is over kill for dance/exercise videos, since that would be the main purpose...thumping sound may take priority...para naman mas feel di ba? :D
for viewing naman we have a 40 inch sammy lcd sa game room and a 42 inch plasma sa bedroom...
Hahaha! For this size of a room, kelangan ng projector and a 100" screen minimum! ;D ;D ;D
Panasonic AE-2000 projector + screen .. maybe P140k.
Maybe an Onkyo 875 AVR or Denon 2809 + a good set of 5 speakers (marami naman maka-suggest) .. maybe P120k.
Finally an SVS sub .. another P40k - P80k.
May seem a little expensive but it will be worth it. ;D
ang mahal naman po...i'd have to work like a horse to pay for something like that :)
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Awwwww...pamahal ng pamahal :( lol
the 100 inch projector screen is over kill for dance/exercise videos, since that would be the main purpose...thumping sound may take priority...para naman mas feel di ba? :D
for viewing naman we have a 40 inch sammy lcd sa game room and a 42 inch plasma sa bedroom...
ang mahal naman po...i'd have to work like a horse to pay for something like that :)
100" is not big for a 40 square meter room! Maliit nga!
If you lower the specs, get a cheaper projector. Maybe Benq 500 or a lower-end Panasonic. With screen, mga P70k.
Get a cheaper AVR, maybe a Denon 1909 + Wharfedales, maybe P70k.
And then get a big subwoofer! ;D ;D Maybe P80k.
Getting cheaper na. ;D ;D
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100" is not big for a 40 square meter room! Maliit nga!
If you lower the specs, get a cheaper projector. Maybe Benq 500 or a lower-end Panasonic. With screen, mga P70k.
Get a cheaper AVR, maybe a Denon 1909 + Wharfedales, maybe P70k.
And then get a big subwoofer! ;D ;D Maybe P80k.
Getting cheaper na. ;D ;D
baka pwede na yung 12 nsd na svs, diba less than 50k lang yun?
getting cheaper nanaman.
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no one is recommending an HTIB ata^ something wrong with them? ;)
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Yes, they sound terrible! :D
The HTiB manufactuer's objective is to build a low-cost multi-channel system. The design philosophy is to use a very low-powered amplifier and matching low-capacity speakers to cut down costs, then make up for the inadequacies by tweaking the sound to emphasize the frequencies most audible to the average ear.
What you get is inaccurate sound that easily distorts with even moderate volume levels.
What you want is a sound output that accurately reproduces the source. That's why they call it "hi-fi", or "high fidelity", because the output should have "fidelity" (or "loyalty") to the source material.
An HTiB might be OK for a very small room, but for a room size as big as that, an HTiB is out of the question. It's going to be a waste of money.
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Your exercise room is so big that setting up a good home theater sound system there would cost too much, since the amplification power requirement will be too high.
For that exercise/dance room, just get a 2-channel amplifier and 2 speakers for your exercise/dance music. Hook up your TV to the sound system to improve your TV's sound.
Then you can later choose another room (a more modestly-sized one, around 20 sq. m. more or less), for a multi-channel home theater set-up.
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The Yamaha 765 would match well with this.
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/av/prd/speaker/series/325-sys/index.html
Pede rin 525 series if you want to up the budget.
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no one is recommending an HTIB ata^ something wrong with them? ;)
wag po, wag po!!! baka kung may galit ang isang tao sa iyo, htib ang irekomenda ;D
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Yes, they sound terrible! :D
The HTiB manufactuer's objective is to build a low-cost multi-channel system. The design philosophy is to use a very low-powered amplifier and matching low-capacity speakers to cut down costs, then make up for the inadequacies by tweaking the sound to emphasize the frequencies most audible to the average ear.
What you get is inaccurate sound that easily distorts with even moderate volume levels.
What you want is a sound output that accurately reproduces the source. That's why they call it "hi-fi", or "high fidelity", because the output should have "fidelity" (or "loyalty") to the source material.
An HTiB might be OK for a very small room, but for a room size as big as that, an HTiB is out of the question. It's going to be a waste of money.
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Your exercise room is so big that setting up a good home theater sound system there would cost too much, since the amplification power requirement will be too high.
For that exercise/dance room, just get a 2-channel amplifier and 2 speakers for your exercise/dance music. Hook up your TV to the sound system to improve your TV's sound.
Then you can later choose another room (a more modestly-sized one, around 20 sq. m. more or less), for a multi-channel home theater set-up.
that's the only room i'm allowed to use or hook up a sound system :(
wag po, wag po!!! baka kung may galit ang isang tao sa iyo, htib ang irekomenda ;D
are htib's really that bad?
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Your exercise room is so big that setting up a good home theater sound system there would cost too much, since the amplification power requirement will be too high.
For that exercise/dance room, just get a 2-channel amplifier and 2 speakers for your exercise/dance music. Hook up your TV to the sound system to improve your TV's sound.
Then you can later choose another room (a more modestly-sized one, around 20 sq. m. more or less), for a multi-channel home theater set-up.
I would still suggest a 7.1ch Yamaha like the 765 or equivalent, and set it to 7-channel stereo kung gustong sumayaw ni Yuriko. The room size is really an issue (in terms of limiting the budget to within 100K) but I'd still suggest that she starts with a good multi-channel AVR.
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I would still suggest a 7.1ch Yamaha like the 765 or equivalent, and set it to 7-channel stereo kung gustong sumayaw ni Yuriko. The room size is really an issue (in terms of limiting the budget to within 100K) but I'd still suggest that she starts with a good multi-channel AVR.
what's a multi-channel AVR? sorry for the dumb question but...
may dif ba talaga ang 5.1 channel, sa 7.1? meaning can you really discern the difference?
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Some online guides:
How To Choose, Set Up and Use a Home Theater
http://www.acmehowto.com/howto/hometheater/home-theater.php
How to Set Up a Home Theater (Summary Instruction)
http://www.ehow.com/how_2050835_set-up-home-theater.html
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Streetsmart, any cheaper range pa proposal mo? ;D
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Some online guides:
How To Choose, Set Up and Use a Home Theater
http://www.acmehowto.com/howto/hometheater/home-theater.php
How to Set Up a Home Theater (Summary Instruction)
http://www.ehow.com/how_2050835_set-up-home-theater.html
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Streetsmart, any cheaper range pa proposal mo? ;D
thanks, i'll also read up on that=) is that max (the guy from macross/robotech) on your avatar?
@everybody
would a dedicated audio set-up be cheaper than a home theatre?
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what's a multi-channel AVR? sorry for the dumb question but...
may dif ba talaga ang 5.1 channel, sa 7.1? meaning can you really discern the difference?
Ano nga ba ang meaning? hehehe.. Basta when I first bought a "multi-channel" Yamaha HT in 1998, it was 5.1ch - 2 fronts, 2 surrounds, 1 center and 1 sub.
SAPAT na ang 5.1 channel for most people. Kase, please correct me if Im wrong, yung additional 2 channels naman ay for surround sa likod. Pero if you have a 7.1 AVR with 7-stereo program for your dancing, e di mas mas maganda kung 7 discrete channels ang output.
Still, 40sqm is quite spacious for a system that is not expensive and powerful. Why dont you install a wall and create 2 x 20sqm rooms - that's the size of my bedroom and oks na yung hindi masyadong mahal na system - as in nagagalit na yung anak ko sa lakas dahil nabubulahaw sya sa bedroom nya. ;D
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is that max (the guy from macross/robotech) on your avatar?
Yup...bull's eye! ;)
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Yup...bull's eye! ;)
cute=) but i prefer roy focker hahaha
Ano nga ba ang meaning? hehehe.. Basta when I first bought a "multi-channel" Yamaha HT in 1998, it was 5.1ch - 2 fronts, 2 surrounds, 1 center and 1 sub.
SAPAT na ang 5.1 channel for most people. Kase, please correct me if Im wrong, yung additional 2 channels naman ay for surround sa likod. Pero if you have a 7.1 AVR with 7-stereo program for your dancing, e di mas mas maganda kung 7 discrete channels ang output.
Still, 40sqm is quite spacious for a system that is not expensive and powerful. Why dont you install a wall and create 2 x 20sqm rooms - that's the size of my bedroom and oks na yung hindi masyadong mahal na system - as in nagagalit na yung anak ko sa lakas dahil nabubulahaw sya sa bedroom nya. ;D
let's say you're stuck with a 60k budget, how far could that go?
thanks.
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cute=) but i prefer roy focker hahaha
let's say you're stuck with a 60k budget, how far could that go?
thanks.
an all wharfe or polk setup with an entry level receiver. sub pwedeng mga jamo type or second hand sa marketplace (so far parang wala ata akong nakitang nice cheap subs posted sa marketplace).
30k - 5 speaker setup
10k - sub
20k - receiver
60k is no small amount kaya matututwa ka na rin jan. just not sure kung enough na sa big room.
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it's still all relative. htib's sound "good" in very very small rooms and only until you experience a real 5.1 and 7.1 system. ;D as a newbie awhile back, i was totally awed by the wonder of discreet channels when watching "the incredible hulk"'s "helicopter" scene with my samsung htz210 htib... and then i got to experience the same scene at my bestfriend's house when he had just installed his denon 1909- wharfedale 9.1 - 9cs - dfs and sub setup... my htib started sounding not as nice from that point onwards...
5.1 is still the standard that is safest to start with considering most if not all dvd's with dolby and dts are encoded up to 5 channels only. most receivers have algorythms that can turn a 5.1 signal into a 7.1, but most true 7.1 signals come from blurays with dts-hd and dolby true hd. also, most setups have a room that makes a 7.1 system unnecessary, as the rear surrounds are too close together rendering the rear left and right almost useless. HOWEVER, with a room at 40sqm, it has the potential to make the most of a 7.1 system considering its space... ;D
If, aside from fighting games, you like playing FPS games on your PS3, a 5.1 or 7.1 ht system is a very very cool and useful experience... the first time i played COD4 online with my ht system, and someone shot at my character from his rear left, and i heard the shot from MY rear left, it made me smile quite a bit. :D
Just don't go into it blind. Audition as many systems as you like, to give you an idea of what you want. Just take into consideration that there will be wires involved in this 90percent of the time, so planning for that is, i would believe, also a priority.
And I'm just throwing this out there. You could also commission anthony/diy_master to handle the speakers. that would most probably lower your budget considerably without losing quality. i'm also sure mike c, avshop, SnS and/or Nemesis could cut you great deals if DIY speakers aren't your thing...
I have a 7.1 system, i use it for my HT, ps3 play, stereo music for jazz, classical, etc., and all 7channels for trance, house, sometimes RnB...
And Roy Focker rules!
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kung gusto mo isang power-on switch at isang remote control......hmmmm....htib ;D
quite common sa mga babae ayaw daming kalat pindot settings etc di ba? kung pwede plugnplay na lang saksak dvd/bluray/cd play sa remote, sit back relax enjoy di ba?
but if youre after sound quality and movietheatre experience...go for separates ::)
dami naman dito willing and able na tulungan ka magsetup. im sure di naman mahal TF mga taga-pdvd
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let's say you're stuck with a 60k budget, how far could that go?
Yuriko-chan you might end up upgrading too soon after spending 60K, so your starting point should be mid-range system.
Thus, kindly consider getting the award winning, bestselling and highly rated Yamaha 765 (referring to Japanese market ne - I dont know about the rest of the world) and then consult with Carlo to "adjust" your budget in order to get a well matching set of speakers (sell one of your excess Plasmas ;D); 5.1 channel will suffice.
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thank you sir...medyo dumb question but what do you mean by..."some sound laid back, some neutral, some a bit forward"
though carlo777 frequents av shops, he also does not know these things...and remains uninterested in any form of audio enhancements and almost most music or sound related stuff in-general :)
I don't exactly know how to describe it but if you visit sights and sounds, I think you would get a better grasp of the terms.
Personally, I would say:
Wharfedale = laid back
Polk Audio/Infinity = neutral
Klipsch = forward/bright
It's really hard to buy something that other people merely suggest when it comes to speakers. You definitely have to do some listening work by auditioning them with your own ears. I auditioned Wharfedale but totally did not like it, but it's evident that many other PDVDers like the Wharfedale sound.
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@Clondalkin
Yuriko-chan... kindly consider getting the award winning, bestselling and highly rated Yamaha 765 (referring to Japanese market ne - I dont know about the rest of the world) and then consult with Carlo to "adjust" your budget in order to get a well matching set of speakers (sell one of your excess Plasmas ;D); 5.1 channel will suffice.
ok sempai! how does...hmm...70k sound? ok na ba yun? what's a good round budget for a "mid-range" system? i'm shocked na mas mahal pala ang audio over video :o
dami naman dito willing and able na tulungan ka magsetup. im sure di naman mahal TF mga taga-pdvd
how much kaya on the average? hoping murang lang talaga...a clean install sana but baka mahal :(
it's still all relative. htib's sound "good" in very very small rooms and only until you experience a real 5.1 and 7.1 system. ;D as a newbie awhile back, i was totally awed by the wonder of discreet channels when watching "the incredible hulk"'s "helicopter" scene with my samsung htz210 htib... and then i got to experience the same scene at my bestfriend's house when he had just installed his denon 1909- wharfedale 9.1 - 9cs - dfs and sub setup... my htib started sounding not as nice from that point onwards...
5.1 is still the standard that is safest to start with considering most if not all dvd's with dolby and dts are encoded up to 5 channels only. most receivers have algorythms that can turn a 5.1 signal into a 7.1, but most true 7.1 signals come from blurays with dts-hd and dolby true hd. also, most setups have a room that makes a 7.1 system unnecessary, as the rear surrounds are too close together rendering the rear left and right almost useless. HOWEVER, with a room at 40sqm, it has the potential to make the most of a 7.1 system considering its space... ;D
If, aside from fighting games, you like playing FPS games on your PS3, a 5.1 or 7.1 ht system is a very very cool and useful experience... the first time i played COD4 online with my ht system, and someone shot at my character from his rear left, and i heard the shot from MY rear left, it made me smile quite a bit. :D
Just don't go into it blind. Audition as many systems as you like, to give you an idea of what you want. Just take into consideration that there will be wires involved in this 90percent of the time, so planning for that is, i would believe, also a priority.
And I'm just throwing this out there. You could also commission anthony/diy_master to handle the speakers. that would most probably lower your budget considerably without losing quality. i'm also sure mike c, avshop, SnS and/or Nemesis could cut you great deals if DIY speakers aren't your thing...
I have a 7.1 system, i use it for my HT, ps3 play, stereo music for jazz, classical, etc., and all 7channels for trance, house, sometimes RnB...
And Roy Focker rules!
You betcha!!! glad i can talk anime here without peeps giving me the weird look ;)
can you give me a run down of your system, who installed it and how much it cost?
thanks.
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I don't exactly know how to describe it but if you visit sights and sounds, I think you would get a better grasp of the terms.
Personally, I would say:
Wharfedale = laid back
Polk Audio/Infinity = neutral
Klipsch = forward/bright
It's really hard to buy something that other people merely suggest when it comes to speakers. You definitely have to do some listening work by auditioning them with your own ears. I auditioned Wharfedale but totally did not like it, but it's evident that many other PDVDers like the Wharfedale sound.
sir, could you give me an honest opinion why you did not like the wharfedale?
thanks.
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oh getting the flat screen is just the beginning. ;) it's usually in the audio that fun (expense) really begins. ;D
i have a harman kardon 255... got it for 30-plus K last year from avshop
just recently upgraded to a 7 channel A Audio gen2 velodyne tweeter set c/o Anthony aka diy_master.
a pair of floorstanders - 14k
center speaker - 8k
2 pairs of bookshelves - 6k/pair
Currently using a Boston RS12 car sub driver enclosed in a Halimaw box c/o Anthony and macdon, powered by a pilyo sub amp and controlled by a jdlabs bass processor. (please note that this is a slightly more complicated way of having a sub. you could always get one that has an integrated plate amp so you could just plug it into the receiver. most commercial subs are of the latter kind)
Boston RS12 - 3k
Halimaw box - 7k
Pilyo amp - 3.5k brand new from sir pilyo if i am not mistaken
Most of the installation i did myself with the help of my driver and my carpenter whenever they were available. Most of my furniture and treatment i had custom made/DIY... with regards to the wiring i had mine routed through the ceiling so they would be less obvious... i of course had someone else go up into the ceiling for this. ;D
with regards to my media players i am pretty sure you already have that so i won't go into it anymore...
some pics for reference...
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97539.msg1019505#msg1019505
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97539.msg1043037#msg1043037
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97539.msg1043961#msg1043961
it's the same thread but i just noted the posts where i have pics of my previous and current setup.
roy focker is anime's han solo... :D
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oh getting the flat screen is just the beginning. ;) it's usually in the audio that fun (expense) really begins. ;D
i have a harman kardon 255... got it for 30-plus K last year from avshop
just recently upgraded to a 7 channel A Audio gen2 velodyne tweeter set c/o Anthony aka diy_master.
a pair of floorstanders - 14k
center speaker - 8k
2 pairs of bookshelves - 6k/pair
Currently using a Boston RS12 car sub driver enclosed in a Halimaw box c/o Anthony and macdon, powered by a pilyo sub amp and controlled by a jdlabs bass processor. (please note that this is a slightly more complicated way of having a sub. you could always get one that has an integrated plate amp so you could just plug it into the receiver. most commercial subs are of the latter kind)
Boston RS12 - 3k
Halimaw box - 7k
Pilyo amp - 3.5k brand new from sir pilyo if i am not mistaken
Most of the installation i did myself with the help of my driver and my carpenter whenever they were available. Most of my furniture and treatment i had custom made/DIY... with regards to the wiring i had mine routed through the ceiling so they would be less obvious... i of course had someone else go up into the ceiling for this. ;D
with regards to my media players i am pretty sure you already have that so i won't go into it anymore...
some pics for reference...
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97539.msg1019505#msg1019505
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97539.msg1043037#msg1043037
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97539.msg1043961#msg1043961
it's the same thread but i just noted the posts where i have pics of my previous and current setup.
roy focker is anime's han solo... :D
saw your posts and pics, and they're very nice, so how much was everything again? don't include the players, sources and the game console.
oh and i'm with work friends now, and we really think you may want to re-word your post with the "over-all experience of my bedroom" statement found on this thread:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97539.msg1019505#msg1019505
:) :D ;)
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sir, could you give me an honest opinion why you did not like the wharfedale?
thanks.
I felt like the sound was being trapped in a cave or something similar to that. ;D
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I felt like the sound was being trapped in a cave or something similar to that. ;D
now that's a very nice way to descibe it, thank you very much sir! i'll make a mental note of that.
;)
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saw your posts and pics, and they're very nice, so how much was everything again? don't include the players, sources and the game console.
oh and i'm with work friends now, and we really think you may want to re-word your post with the "over-all experience of my bedroom" statement found on this thread:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97539.msg1019505#msg1019505
:) :D ;)
duly noted ;D
i actually share sir blued888's opinion of the wharfedale line but a lot of people like them... i really suggest you try out as many receivers and speakers as you need so you can get a good idea of what you want.
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Most members have no dedicated audio setup, therefore they try to get brands that can be great for both music and HT. Usually musical speakers would cost a bit more. that's why DIY's like A Audio speakers are a breath of fresh air to most audiophiles who have been in this hobby for quite a long time. But most branded speakers are enough to give you involving HT sound IMO.
Since I also believe that you have no intention of making this a hobby, i recommend that you get a decent system that's within your budget. just make sure it has enough power and will not distort if you plan to crank up the volume to fill up your space.
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Most members have no dedicated audio setup, therefore they try to get brands that can be great for both music and HT. Usually musical speakers would cost a bit more. that's why DIY's like A Audio speakers are a breath of fresh air to most audiophiles who have been in this hobby for quite a long time. But most branded speakers are enough to give you involving HT sound IMO.
Since I also believe that you have no intention of making this a hobby, i recommend that you get a decent system that's within your budget. just make sure it has enough power and will not distort if you plan to crank up the volume to fill up your space.
oh please, i really hope so...this should be a one time purchase only.
thank you for the advise ;)
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I auditioned Wharfedale but totally did not like it ...
Sir, what receiver was paired with the Wharfedale during the audition?
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@Clondalkin
ok sempai! how does...hmm...70k sound? ok na ba yun? what's a good round budget for a "mid-range" system? i'm shocked na mas mahal pala ang audio over video :o
how much kaya on the average? hoping murang lang talaga...a clean install sana but baka mahal :(
can you give me a run down of your system, who installed it and how much it cost?
thanks.
Yuriko, the system recommended by Mr. Barrister is a very good one, and for most people, would LIKELY be a ONE TIME PURCHASE just as you hope - just think of creative ways to reduce your viewing room area to around 20 sqm. Ibang level na yon if you want to upgrade further later. So based on that system, you're budget is short by 30K, THUS, I suggested that you sell one of the excess Plasmas to cover for that - OR, hold on to your planned purchase of another Plasma for a few months. ;D
Room modification and treatment is another matter in terms of budget ne. But it's OK, most people having some kind of HT don't start with treated room. However if you have the money for it, then perhaps you should request one of the members to allow you a first hand look at their home set-up..kase ideal talagang you decide the equipment based on your room - that will certainly wreck your budget further. so what to do? what to do? ;D
Without home treatment, "hikkoshi soba" should suffice for all people willing to help with the set-up. It's actually quite fun to do the set-up;)
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volunteer ako ma'am, taga-tagay ng "sake" ;D
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Si Yuriko pa, one time purchase lang talaga yan. Thanks guys for helping her out, because I'm not really into the audio stuff. Try as I may, I could not really appreciate this part of the home theatre experience. Maybe it's the fact that I don't even listen to most types of music.
About the room, it's a place where Yuriko can do her dancing and "slim-fit" exercises (which she does for around 1 hour in the morning and one hour in the evening), dedicated movie viewing is still done in the bedroom or the game room. So would you guys suggest a dedicated audio set up instead?
Budget considerations are purely up to her, I've given her much leeway because I think it's time that I spend for the system - given that most T.V purchases I've made were paid by her to sort of "surprise" me. I also directed her to ask for expert installation aid from you guys, because I think she is bent on doing it herself, and I sincerely advise against it.
Now where's my G11? :D :D :D
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1st requirement - find a dedicated room
2nd reqt - define a budget
3rd reqt - get the biggest possible display you could afford considering your room size (viewing distance)
4th reqt - treat the room. its enough that it should be isolated from external noise and no sound reflections would be created.
5th reqt - get 1 set of ht speakers. get the one that is easiest to drive. if possible, your fronts should be floorstanders
6th reqt - get a receiver to drive your speakers. get the highest possible output power your budget can afford.
7th reqt - get a decent player.
enjoy your HT sir!
post mo pix pag tapos na
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If you'll permit me, I'd like to take a stab at your 60k budget in your 40sqm room:
AVR - 20k
Here's where the used market section could help you out. Find a good 7.1 High Current AVR
Front & Rear speakers - 24k
I'd probably go for 4 Proac 2.5 Floorstander clones by A-Audio
Center speaker - 8k
While A-Audio is just about to make a center that would match its 2.5 & D2 lines, the cost quoted is a good estimate.
12" Active Subwoofer - 8-10k
again, here's where our used market section could help you out or have A-Audio custom build you a 12" down firing sub for about the above quoted price.
Placement:
If your 40sqm room is rectangular and the Plasma/LCD is on one end of the room, situate your viewing couch or sofa about midway in your room - in a way, this sofa acts like a divider between 2 areas - HT & your dancing/exercising area. This also makes you sit a bit closer to your TV if you elect a smaller panel.
The 2 rear floorstanders can be situated on the rear corners of the room or moved along the wall between the back of the couch & rear walls.
Since they're floorstanders, you can easily move & position them to your preferred surround effect.
These 2 rear floorstanders will also act like your main speakers for dancing.
Lastly, place your subwoofer at the back of the couch/sofa - which is actually midway of the room. This would provide the bass for your theater as well for your dancing.
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Front & Rear speakers - 24k
I'd probably go for 4 Proac 2.5 Floorstander clones by A-Audio
For the rear speakers, I would say it's more advisable to get bookshelf speakers which you mount about 7' high on the walls. Better if they are dipole. The problem with floorstanders for the rears is that they are easily localized.
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just remembered this post in the marketplace! ;D perfect sa plans ninyo ni carlo!
this would be the best blind purchase for me as long as it is in great condition!
price drop.
36k complete- 2front, 1center, 2rear, 1sub
or
23k- 2front, 1center, 2rear, NO SUB
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=94440.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=94440.0)
with THX certified sub! san ka pa? ;)
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@Clondalkin
100k should give you a decent mid-range system na?
@accastil
we have 1&2 na=)
@macdon
let's say I go brand new on the avr and the subs, how much na kaya siya?
@carlo777
thanks darling :-* :-* :-*
@streetsmart
carlo, unfortunately is not interested in any form of ht set-up=(
the more i look at the ht gallery, the more i get confused ;)
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decent mid level avrs should start at 40k up. denons and harmans are pricier, onkyos and yamahas almost the same price range but cheaper than the denons and harmans for almost the same feature set. i guess i would strongly suggest either getting a denon or an onkyo because of its audyssey feature (which automatically calibrates the 5.1 speakers for you). and i believe audyssey is the best auto calibration system on receivers today. for denon a 2310 should be their mid level, for onkyo 806 or the newer 807 should do.
subs. svs is the best right now, their most economical which is the nsd series should set you back 40+k, you can ask mike c for pricing. velodyne is another option, almost the same in price, maybe a little cheaper. i think for your room nothing below 12 inches for the size of the sub. diy route is another option, diy_master can help with that.
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just remembered this post in the marketplace! ;D perfect sa plans ninyo ni carlo!
this would be the best blind purchase for me as long as it is in great condition!
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=94440.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=94440.0)
with THX certified sub! san ka pa? ;)
Definitely worth checking Yuriko. If this speaker set is still in great condition and matches well with the Yamaha, 36K for this and 27K for the Yamaha 765, a little over the original 60K budget nalang!
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@Clondalkin& iiinas
darn the choices are really making my head spin... :)
@ojof00l
sure, sure yun lang pala=)
@everybody
guys is there a particular check list when i go for the auditions na?
thanks.
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@Clondalkin
100k should give you a decent mid-range system na?
Yuriko, the honest answer is "it depends on the person" because the boundaries of a mid-range system are quite wide.
If you ask me, definitely yes. "Decent" would be a modest description already. The full Yamaha system I recommended (765+325 series speakers) is about that much. My current HT system is a 757 (late 2005 model Yamaha) paired with the 325 series speakers and an upgrade has never crossed my mind yet. But then perhaps Im more picky on the TV than the audio system - and my HT rooms are within the 20sqm area so my current system has more than enough power to produce pleasing sound at all volumes - based on my standards of course.
On the other hand, if you ask Mr. Streetsmart and the guys who've got awesome sets, I'm not sure if they'd even consider a Yamaha765 based system as mid-range - and that's a fair assessment because the 765 belongs to the lowest class of Yamaha AVRs but it so happens to be the 2nd to the top within that class (the highest being the 1065), it's highly rated within its class and for such a relatively new model, has already garnered 2 prestigious Hi-Vi awards in Japan. A 300K or 500K system may still be considered as mid-range, who knows?
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So would you guys suggest a dedicated audio set up instead?
If its just for a dedicated audio setup, then its easier:
A pair of A-Audio Proac 2.5 clone Floorstander........12k
CD Player...........15k
Integrated solid state amp..........25k
If you prefer listening to a lot of fast/dance music, solid state amps would be fine. No need for the complexity of tubes.
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while i always recommend the PB10NSD for 2k cubic feet and smaller rooms ... it can still fill a 4k room (my demo area is about 4k or more). i just prefer to apply my own subwoofer standards for my sub recommendations.
:)
even an HT guy like me has a 2.1 setup for my bedroom even though that's where i do most of my watching.
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guys is there a short list i need to make when i do the auditions? is there anyone who'd buy a set up now para makisabay lalang ako sa auditions? ;D
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guys is there a short list i need to make when i do the auditions? is there anyone who'd buy a set up now para makisabay lalang ako sa auditions? ;D
if you are ok with a 2.1 setup, i can demo for you an AV receiver, bookshelves and subwoofer combo in a more than 4k room. (i don't sell receivers though)
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guys is there a short list i need to make when i do the auditions? is there anyone who'd buy a set up now para makisabay lalang ako sa auditions? ;D
most of the sellers here in pdvd would be able to setup an audition for you 5.1, 2.1, or another option that you might want to check for less cable clutter is the polf audio surroundbar + subwoofer (surrounddbar is a single piece speaker system that simulates the 5-piece surround system)
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@Clondalkin
100k should give you a decent mid-range system na?
@accastil
we have 1&2 na=)
@macdon
let's say I go brand new on the avr and the subs, how much na kaya siya?
@carlo777
thanks darling :-* :-* :-*
@streetsmart
carlo, unfortunately is not interested in any form of ht set-up=(
the more i look at the ht gallery, the more i get confused ;)
in my case, i would spend most of the budget in display size(largest size possible) and the room treatment.
all the rest to follow can be easily adjusted in accord to your hearing preference na lang.
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i'm pretty sure they have the flatscreen display aspect of the ht room covered. ;)
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thanks again guys, can someone tell me a little more about this "room treatment"
;)
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Room treatment refers to the modification of the room to improve sound quality.
1. Reflections - The simplest treatment is the reduction of sound reflections. Reflections cause echoes. Reduce reflections by installing curtains/blinds, furniture, and books in open bookshelves.
2. Standing waves - They cause bass to become inconsistent in the room, with some areas getting excessive bass and other areas getting weak bass. Standing waves are reduced by installing bass traps. As long as no dimension of the room (length, width height) is exactly the same as the other, you will not have any major issues regarding standing waves.
3. Soundproofing - Forget about it. It's very difficult and very expensive. Don't believe that you can soundproof a room by simply using acoustic panels. Absorption and diffusion will not work without decoupling and isolation of walls, doors, ceilings and floors.
In your case, just reduce reflections and you'll be fine. Don't totally eliminate all reflections, or you'll end up with a dead-sounding room that will sound weird.
(http://www.cascadeaudio.com/commercial_residential/art/products/panels/fglass-wall-panels.jpg)
Acoustic wall panels
(http://www.cascadeaudio.com/commercial_residential/art/products/panels/fglass-ceiling-tiles.jpg)
Acoustic ceiling tiles
(http://www.klipsch.com/images/c/1622/300x300.aspx)
Full anechoic chamber :D (Klipsch Audio Egineering and Testing Center)
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Room treatment refers to the modification of the room to improve sound quality.
1. Reflections - The simplest treatment is the reduction of sound reflections. Reflections cause echoes. Reduce reflections by installing curtains/blinds, furniture, and books in open bookshelves.
2. Standing waves - They cause bass to become inconsistent in the room, with some areas getting excessive bass and other areas getting weak bass. Standing waves are reduced by installing bass traps. As long as no dimension of the room (length, width height) is exactly the same as the other, you will not have any major issues regarding standing waves.
3. Soundproofing - Forget about it. It's very difficult and very expensive. Don't believe that you can soundproof a room by simply using acoustic panels. Absorption and diffusion will not work without decoupling and isolation of walls, doors, ceilings and floors.
In your case, just reduce reflections and you'll be fine. Don't totally eliminate all reflections, or you'll end up with a dead-sounding room that will sound weird.
ayan mura lang!
i'll set the final budget already by next week and carlo will double whatever budget i come up with ;) but will do my best to keep it way way under that=)
@barrister
sir ok din ba talaga sa mga horror movies yan? :)
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sir ok din ba talaga sa mga horror movies yan? :)
heehee. mas nakakatakot ang 'the haunting' with a good subwoofer.
i don't watch horror movies anymore :D
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heehee. mas nakakatakot and 'the haunting' with a good subwoofer.
i don't watch horror movies anymore :D
+1 ;D
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i'll set the final budget already by next week and carlo will double whatever budget i come up with ;) but will do my best to keep it way way under that=)
That's good news. You won't regret a multi-channel set-up.
@barrister
sir ok din ba talaga sa mga horror movies yan? :)
Yes, definitely.
Actually, all movies benefit from a multi-channel set-up. But if there's a movie genre that gets the most benefit out of a proper sound system, it has to be the horror genre.
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great!
any dvd/blu-ray titles that would make great demo materials so i could bring them for the audition?
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i always use "the incredible hulk" (the hulk scene in the college, up to the helicopter crash scene) and master and commander (the first encounter of the two opposing ships)...
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i always use "the incredible hulk" (the hulk scene in the college, up to the helicopter crash scene) and master and commander (the first encounter of the two opposing ships)...
Thanks i got the hulky Hulk just today...anymore? how about vanilla audio cd's? i have echo and the bunnymen (killing moon) love that :)
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Since you do a lot of TV shopping already, I'm sure Sights and Sounds can give you a good price on audio gear, and they carry a lot of brands. If I were you, I also wouldn't worry about installation. Just have them do it for you. If we let them install and calibrate our TV's then why shouldn't we have them install the system? It will get confusing to do a set-up by yourself especially if you are not familiar with all the set-up requirements.
First thing you need to identify is the applications of your future set-up then fix a budget. From there, identify the kind of set-up you want. You also need to note that one man's mid-range/high-end set-up is another man's entrylevel set-up. Speakers can range anywhere from 1k (or less) to millions of pesos so just set a budget and move from there. For those who are not used to higher end speakers, entry level speakers will sound very good... but as you audition high end hardware, the more you will want to upgrade. That's when this will become a hobby.
Good luck... baka si Carlo din mapahilig and we will be waiting for speaker reviews next time.
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Since you do a lot of TV shopping already, I'm sure Sights and Sounds can give you a good price on audio gear, and they carry a lot of brands. If I were you, I also wouldn't worry about installation. Just have them do it for you. If we let them install and calibrate our TV's then why shouldn't we have them install the system? It will get confusing to do a set-up by yourself especially if you are not familiar with all the set-up requirements.
First thing you need to identify is the applications of your future set-up then fix a budget. From there, identify the kind of set-up you want. You also need to note that one man's mid-range/high-end set-up is another man's entrylevel set-up. Speakers can range anywhere from 1k (or less) to millions of pesos so just set a budget and move from there. For those who are not used to higher end speakers, entry level speakers will sound very good... but as you audition high end hardware, the more you will want to upgrade. That's when this will become a hobby.
Good luck... baka si Carlo din mapahilig and we will be waiting for speaker reviews next time.
Hehe no chance sir, I tried to like it but it didn't take ;)
We asked S&S already for a formal quote based off our budget. The dad of comitatus will be staying in the Philippines from Oct to January na of next year and with his generous aid comitatus was able to raise the budget considerably.
I, however, remain uninterested in the project.
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Konti na lang yata yung mga mahilig sa Rotel?
Parang OK ang combination na ito e:
(http://www.highdefinition.ch/img//63/79/637965_640_480.jpeg)
Rotel RSP 1570
(http://assets.bowers-wilkins.com/med/Libraries/3/CM7_l2_w817_h328.jpg?dm=0)
B&W CM7
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Hehe no chance sir, I tried to like it but it didn't take ;)
We asked S&S already for a formal quote based off our budget. The dad of comitatus will be staying in the Philippines from Oct to January na of next year and with his generous aid comitatus was able to raise the budget considerably.
I, however, remain uninterested in the project.
That may change once you hear sweet music coming out of your speakers. I was just interested in HT before, and getting a true surround feel when watching movies... but when I started auditioning speakers, iba talaga. Parang sayang na to get really good speakers for just HT.
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Konti na lang yata yung mga mahilig sa Rotel?
Parang OK ang combination na ito e:
(http://www.highdefinition.ch/img//63/79/637965_640_480.jpeg)
Rotel RSP 1570
(http://assets.bowers-wilkins.com/med/Libraries/3/CM7_l2_w817_h328.jpg?dm=0)
B&W CM7
i'm planning to get a rotel soon as soon as budget permits... dami pang payables. :P
Ren's wishlist > one rotel to power them all ;D
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That may change once you hear sweet music coming out of your speakers. I was just interested in HT before, and getting a true surround feel when watching movies... but when I started auditioning speakers, iba talaga. Parang sayang na to get really good speakers for just HT.
:)
We'll see when our system comes in.