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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: Carlo777 on Aug 18, 2010 at 05:53 PM
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Just because I get many requests for a review on this very talked about 720p native T.V.
Stand-by ;)
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being a very satisfied owner of the 42X10 it will be interesting to see carlo's review of the X20. i heard that the X20 panel is a tad more reflective..
its price however is its biggest asset. i wonder why panasonic have discontinued the X10 in favor of the X20. i would assume there are not much of an upgrade made.
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Ahhh! Heaven sent ka carlo!
this is something ive been looking for since Im in the market for a 42" plasma and this seems to be the best value for money in the market now. Only big concern is its reflective panel. I hope you test it also for a "semi-lit" room.
looking forward! ;D
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Testing done...
Thanks to Vic of Sights and Sounds for allowing us to do a number on the X20.
Will post findings soon.
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Testing done...
Thanks to Vic of Sights and Sounds for allowing us to do a number on the X20.
Will post findings soon.
this i oughta see. keep us posted bro :D
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DVD/Blu-Ray:
Connected to a Pioneer DV-610v set at 720p (Native resolution of the panel), the X20 delivered picture quality that is, in my honest opinion, on level with that of Panasonic's previous offerings like the C10 and the PV80. But on normal or bright lighting conditions, the X20 may seem more subdued over the PV80 thanks to a very reflective screen. The plus factor of a reflective screen though, is the fact that there is an illusion of glossiness, this now becomes a matter of subjective tastes for the individual.
On blu-ray, we saw how Panasonic continues to stun us with detailed pictures backed by solid black levels. Panasonic seems to have mastered the 720p arena, that despite the X20 being merely an HD-Ready unit, it's great rendition of color will give you a reason to jump over to the HD bandwagon, even though it's just the HD-Ready side of the moving cart. Please remember to set this buggy up in a very controlled lighting environment.
More soon.
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DVD/Blu-Ray:
Connected to a Pioneer DV-610v set at 720p (Native resolution of the panel), the X20 delivered picture quality that is, in my honest opinion, on level with that of Panasonic's previous offerings like the C10 and the PV80. But on normal or bright lighting conditions, the X20 may seem more subdued over the PV80 thanks to a very reflective screen. The plus factor of a reflective screen though, is the fact that there is an illusion of glossiness, this now becomes a matter of subjective tastes for the individual.
On blu-ray, we saw how Panasonic continues to stun us with detailed pictures backed by solid black levels. Panasonic seems to have mastered the 720p arena, that despite the X20 being merely an HD-Ready unit, it's great rendition of color will give you a reason to jump over to the HD bandwagon, even though it's just the HD-Ready side of the moving cart. Please remember to set this buggy up in a very controlled lighting environment.
More soon.
Nice review so far. Am eager to hear your comparison to the c10 that I just bought from Sights n Sounds. And Carlo I did send you a PM yesterday.
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Nice review so far. Am eager to hear your comparison to the c10 that I just bought from Sights n Sounds. And Carlo I did send you a PM yesterday.
Got it Kenny, just give me a ring :D
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mga sir meron ba pwede magbigay ng measurement of the viewable screen area of a 32" & 37" lcd tv? yun pong horizontal & vertical lengths ng screen. trying to decide what size to get kasi... thanks
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17V: 37.3 x 21.0
19V: 41.0 x 23.0
20V: 43.6 x 24.5
22V: 47.7 x 26.8
26V: 57.6 x 32.4
32V: 69.8 x 39.2
37V: 81.9 x 46.1
42V: 92.2 x 51.8
46V: 101.9 x 57.3
50V: 110.6 x 62.2
54V: 119.8 x 67.4
58V: 128.4 x 72.3
65V: 143.4 x 80.7
All in cm. Im metric. Happy? :)
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yup thanks bro. ;D
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ordered an X20, for the house...i'll finish the review per carlo777.
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Looking forward, madame, for the conclusion :) Hope you will also include IR after playing ps3...thanks!
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Looking forward, madame, for the conclusion :) Hope you will also include IR after playing ps3...thanks!
thank you po ;)
meron din but it doesn't build up as fast as the V20. pics mamaya for blu-ray,ps3 and dvd...
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thank you po ;)
meron din but it doesn't build up as fast as the V20. pics mamaya for blu-ray,ps3 and dvd...
yey! great news! :) Looking forward po :)
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Just take a look at how reflective the X20 is, you could see the background of the room and even my wife (comitatus) as she takes a pic of the unit.
But let's not put a bump stop there, the pq is something to behold!
More impressions this week:
(http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy287/dragoon010673/Picture.jpg)
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Thanks Sir Carlo! I guess if it's placed in light-controlled room, then it will be fine, am I correct?
Also, how's the IR of the unit? I love playing 2k10 (and eventually 2k11) for around 3 hours per day...would it hurt this plasma?
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Thanks Sir Carlo! I guess if it's placed in light-controlled room, then it will be fine, am I correct?
Also, how's the IR of the unit? I love playing 2k10 (and eventually 2k11) for around 3 hours per day...would it hurt this plasma?
Yes, you'll be fine!
Just like any plasma do expect some I.R after 3 hours of play but it will go away after playing new content.
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Thanks sir carlo :)
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Yeah Carlo, the reflections and the image look HORRIBLE! :o :o ;D
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@E-Reply
The reflections are really a drawback, however, like I said it gives you a "glossy" picture that's good for cable and for some it's even more "lively".
I'll try to wrap this up within the week, a few more tests here and there...
Again my thumbs up to Vic for another smooth transaction!
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@E-Reply
The reflections are really a drawback, however, like I said it gives you a "glossy" picture that's good for cable and for some it's even more "lively".
I'll try to wrap this up within the week, a few more tests here and there...
Again my thumbs up to Vic for another smooth transaction!
bro carlo i also think essential ang reflective screen sa PQ ng plasma. it adds vibrance sa colors, just like laptops nowadays. i mean, if you were to compare laptops from the past, di mo pagtyagaan manood ng movies dun or even view pictures. ;D
Yeah Carlo, the reflections and the image look HORRIBLE! :o :o ;D
sakin vic ok lang ang reflection ni comitatus :)
ot: thanks btw for a wonderful panasonic lcdtv. it's nice to finally have a deal with you for my personal use tv.
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sakin vic ok lang ang reflection ni comitatus :)
ot: thanks btw for a wonderful panasonic lcdtv. it's nice to finally have a deal with you for my personal use tv.
Hehe, I get a lot of PM's regarding the reflectivity of the X20. I asked my wife to take more pictures of the model. So people could see for themselves just how reflective the unit is!
Ultimately, though, I suggest a trip to your local shop so we could see it for ourselves...
More pics later, should comitatus be free.
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Hehe, I get a lot of PM's regarding the reflectivity of the X20. I asked my wife to take more pictures of the model. So people could see for themselves just how reflective the unit is!
Ultimately, though, I suggest a trip to your local shop so we could see it for ourselves...
More pics later, should comitatus be free.
Is this unit more reflective then your 50c10? How does it compare in general?
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Hi kenny
The difference is the fact that the C10 has a color management option that gives you stronger, yet inaccurate colors, hence the "illusion" that the C10 seems better.
During picture tweaks, you'd switch off color enhancements, after which, you'll see that the X20 has
more accurate colors.
Reflections, however, seems worst on the X20 :D
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Hi kenny
The difference is the fact that the C10 has a color management option that gives you stronger, yet inaccurate colors, hence the "illusion" that the C10 seems better.
During picture tweaks, you'd switch off color enhancements, after which, you'll see that the X20 has
more accurate colors.
Reflections, however, seems worst on the X20 :D
better colors means more reflective screen, i can live with that ;D
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Hi kenny
The difference is the fact that the C10 has a color management option that gives you stronger, yet inaccurate colors, hence the "illusion" that the C10 seems better.
During picture tweaks, you'd switch off color enhancements, after which, you'll see that the X20 has
more accurate colors.
Reflections, however, seems worst on the X20 :D
so in fact I am fooling myself into believing the c10 has better color ???. thats ok I always talk myself into things ;) :D
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better colors means more reflective screen, i can live with that ;D
so can I! ;)
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We'll round this up with more pics, showing reflectivity:
1)Daylight
2)Dark room
Some game tests, also.
Thanks
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Carlo ygpm
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for ps3...
being more of a console gamer than carlo^^^
played rounds of super street fighter 4 last night and there was no input lag or ghosting! pictures naman at game mode was very close or equal to the V20 running on the same mode. i.r was still present but like what my hubby said, it did not develop as quickly as the v20 ;)
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for ps3...
being more of a console gamer than carlo^^^
played rounds of super street fighter 4 last night and there was no input lag or ghosting! pictures naman at game mode was very close or equal to the V20 running on the same mode. i.r was still present but like what my hubby said, it did not develop as quickly as the v20 ;)
This is good news :)
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for ps3...
being more of a console gamer than carlo^^^
True ;) Pc games muna tayo - Napoleon Total War and Starcraft ;)
This is good news :)
The X20 seems like a re-packaged C10 minus the color management feature, gaming on the C10 was a pleasure so we expect the same performance here.
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This is good news :)
it is! yun nga lang i can see myself when i play^^^
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I bought a 42X20 awhile ago at S&S, gonna put a Nintendo Wii on it. :) I'll give u guys feedback.
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DVD playback : Using a Pioneer 420DV player, using HDMI cable, viideo upscaled to 1080p, Cloudy with a chance of meatballs. Picture was quite impressive.
I'll try a dvd with humans in it tomorrow, hehe.
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I bought a 42X20 awhile ago at S&S, gonna put a Nintendo Wii on it. :) I'll give u guys feedback.
Could you kindly post a pic wide enough to show the TV frame and some walls/floors during daylight? Im hoping to gauge how reflective it would be when watching during lunch.
Thanks!
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Could you kindly post a pic wide enough to show the TV frame and some walls/floors during daylight? Im hoping to gauge how reflective it would be when watching during lunch.
Thanks!
Ok, here are two pics using my iphone camera, taken just now.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs678.snc4/61886_1509706776127_1038071652_31489635_249608_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs318.ash2/59862_1509707656149_1038071652_31489636_5379888_n.jpg)
the X20 is more reflective compared to my v20.
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@FrancisS
dracula also! one of my fav movies! the reflection is really strong on this unit but ok lang siya...i can see you clearly :D
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Ok, here are two pics using my iphone camera, taken just now.
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the X20 is more reflective compared to my v20.
Daylight (bright room) please. Thanks.
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Daylight (bright room) please. Thanks.
daylight? grabe sa umaga yan! i'll check may pics din ata ako ng unit sa umaga with blinds open...i'll look again.
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Daylight (bright room) please. Thanks.
that's the brightest this particular room bro, thats why I considered the x20 for this room. hehe. sorru.
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daylight? grabe sa umaga yan!...
Yeah that's exactly the condition I want to see this TV perform under. Our living and dining areas in Pasig are very very very very brightly lit. ;) Thanks in advance.
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The shot i took by the way was taken this morning with the sun shining, but the room only has minimal sunlight that goes in.
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sa daytime, kung may bintana sa likod mo tapos nakaharap ka sa plasma, wag ka ng umasang makakanood ka ng hindi naduduling. wala syang kwenta pag maliwanag sa likuran mo, para syang salamin, sarili mo n lang mapapanood mo. weakness tlaga ng plasma yan.
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Kaso ang taray naman ng V20 kung ilalagay sa dining area. Hehehe. Pero kung talagang gusto ng plasma and maliwanag talaga yung dining area all the time, walang ibang plasma model na suitable kung hindi yung V20 nga.
Hmmm. Toshiba Regza? ;)
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Just take a look at how reflective the X20 is, you could see the background of the room and even my wife (comitatus) as she takes a pic of the unit.
But let's not put a bump stop there, the pq is something to behold!
More impressions this week:
(http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy287/dragoon010673/Picture.jpg)
Carlo...we have never met before. Am hoping your reflection in the screen has been altered and you do not actually have those features or a hairy dog like furry chest. You are scary dude! ;D
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Ok, here are two pics using my iphone camera, taken just now.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs678.snc4/61886_1509706776127_1038071652_31489635_249608_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs318.ash2/59862_1509707656149_1038071652_31489636_5379888_n.jpg)
the X20 is more reflective compared to my v20.
Francis when shopping for a 50 inch unit some weeks back we were shocked at the glare or should I say reflection of the above unit. It pretty much convinced us to get unit the older 50c10.
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Dannie, I noticed this too, but I knew that the room we were gonna put it in has a very controllable lighting environment, the shot I took is the brightest the room will be during the morning.
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@dannielsimone
Kenny,Kenny, if I could become a real vampire, I'd be working on something else :D :D :D
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Carlo777 & comitatus , thanks for the this tv's feedback, got myself a 50" from vic yesterday.
one observation though, mounting the tv sucks bigtime ..
the ports at the back are flat and not "carved" (sorry cant think of a better word).
you'll need to use the plastic "filler" between the screw and tv to make up for the almost flat back surface.
i ended up using it on my low profile tv rack. :-[
hirap pala masanay sa wallmount parang ang baba masyado ng nakapatong lang sa rack. :)
btw special thanks to vic for saving me the hassle of selling my tv online before getting a new tv.
one stop buy and sell. ;D
and thanks for reasonably pricing my tv ;)
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Carlo777, i don't if it's just me, but i find the PQ of my 42PV80 better than X20.
what's your take on this?
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sa umpisa ganyan talaga yan, looks kinda pale...but switch off your lights! you'll mas maganda ang color nya over the pv80.
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sa mga owners po ng X20, how's xbox 360/ps3 gaming sa unit po na ito? Would it hurt po kung mga 4 hours per day for gaming?
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sa mga owners po ng X20, how's xbox 360/ps3 gaming sa unit po na ito? Would it hurt po kung mga 4 hours per day for gaming?
it won't...just make sure it's not used purely for gaming ;)
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sa mga owners po ng X20, how's xbox 360/ps3 gaming sa unit po na ito? Would it hurt po kung mga 4 hours per day for gaming?
shouldn't be a problem, but watch broadcast TV on it at least an hour a day cguro if your gonna play for four hours.
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sa umpisa ganyan talaga yan, looks kinda pale...but switch off your lights! you'll mas maganda ang color nya over the pv80.
hi comitatus, once nai-uwi naman ang tv OK na. sya nalang ang center of attention ko. ;D
still a plasma fan :)
btw you were right about the reflections, kaya once i switch on the htpc patay lahat ng ilaw and dimmed ang room ko via window "covers".. :D :D
noticable lang naman ang reflections sa dark scene, at pag di mo naman hinanap di mo rin mapapansin :)
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it won't...just make sure it's not used purely for gaming ;)
Thanks mam! :) Yep, going to watch some movies as well...
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new stock of the panasonic 42x20 available. :)
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Hello Gurus, :)
Can somebody please share your settings. Gusto ko lang check kung meron ako dapat palitan, same settings pa din kami until now un ginawa ni Jon from s&s hehe
Thanks in advance. ;)
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Hello Gurus, :)
Can somebody please share your settings. Gusto ko lang check kung meron ako dapat palitan, same settings pa din kami until now un ginawa ni Jon from s&s hehe
Thanks in advance. ;)
bro i suggest you have it calibrated. bukod sa iba ang taste mo sa taste ng ibang users, iba rin ang lighting ng location mo. anyway, just to answer your question, mine is on Cinema default and ECO mode is ON. sometimes i set it to Gaming mode whenever a movie is too dark for Cinema mode. ;)
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Mga master 600 Hz sub field drive din ba ang 42x20 or 100 Hz lang? Malaki bang factor kung 100 Hz lang to? Thanks!
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Mga master 600 Hz sub field drive din ba ang 42x20 or 100 Hz lang? Malaki bang factor kung 100 Hz lang to? Thanks!
AFAIK, the 600hz sub field drive is a plasma-specific feature and should not be confused with the 100/200hz of an LCD.
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Mga master 600 Hz sub field drive din ba ang 42x20 or 100 Hz lang? Malaki bang factor kung 100 Hz lang to? Thanks!
Yes, 600Hz sub-field drive ang 42X20. Iba yon sa 100/120/200/240Hz ng LCD.
On LCD, 240Hz means 240 frames per second (fps). The 60fps source is interpolated into 4 frames per original frame, to produce 240 frames per second (60 x 4).
On plasma, a 600Hz sub-field drive means the frame is divided into 10 sub-fields. The 60fps source is flickered 10 times per frame. Each frame is flashed 10 times, to produce 600 flashes/flickers per second (60 x 10). However, frames are not interpolated, so there will still be 60 frames per second.
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Decided na ako to get this plasma to replace my LG plasma. Sana mag price drop pa ;D.
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Salamat mga master sa mga sagot ang lufet! Baka eto na nga bilin ko na plasma. ;D
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Decided na ako to get this plasma to replace my LG plasma. Sana mag price drop pa ;D.
;D ;D ;D Same here bro! Pagka nag price drop to ng 35K bili na ko! ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D Same here bro! Pagka nag price drop to ng 35K bili na ko! ;D ;D ;D
Baka matulad sa experience ko sa 42C10, lurking muna last year and early this year para sa price drop, ayun naubos ang available units ;D. Will be getting my unit this Sat na ;). Do any of the x20 owners here have the measurements for the mounting holes? I'm trying to figure out kung kaya nung existing wall mount ko ng LG plasma ko. Tnx
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Guys bibili na ako nito this Thursday. Ano kaya magandang tv rack para dito?
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Guys bibili na ako nito this Thursday. Ano kaya magandang tv rack para dito?
check my sig ;)
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Hi guys naka bili nako ng 42x20. Kelangan ba talaga naka zoom1 para mawala ang black bars habang nanood ng bluray? Baka kasi mag burn in.... Uso pa ba ito sa mga bagong plasma?
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Hi guys naka bili nako ng 42x20. Kelangan ba talaga naka zoom1 para mawala ang black bars habang nanood ng bluray? Baka kasi mag burn in.... Uso pa ba ito sa mga bagong plasma?
connect mo muna sa PC.
download and run thisDead Pixel Tester (http://www.dataproductservices.com/dpt).
lagay mo lang sa white for 24 hours.
tapos nito, manuod kana ng may blackbars with no worries ;)
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Ako, I crop the movie in my A100 para walang black bars :). Got my X20 last wednesday. Still looking for a wall bracket. Most that I find have little clearance sa likod that may crimp the cables.
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cocoboy and volrathj, how much and where did you buy? with panasonic warranty? Thanks!
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cocoboy and volrathj, how much and where did you buy? with panasonic warranty? Thanks!
Sa Sights and Sound ako bumili bro. 36k store warranty and 39k panasonic warranty. Ang ganda ng PQ nito hindi ka magsisisi kahit 720p lang panalo!
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Sa Sights and Sound ako bumili bro. 36k store warranty and 39k panasonic warranty. Ang ganda ng PQ nito hindi ka magsisisi kahit 720p lang panalo!
Thank you, volrathj. hoping to get one soon.
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Thank you, volrathj. hoping to get one soon.
Your welcome bro. ;D
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Got my unit sa Alabang area. 39k cash and straight. they are actually giving it at 3 mos 0% int. medyo malapit samin sa batangas kasi, SNS sana but talo sa traffic at gas.
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Sorry guys hindi 600Hz sub field drive ang 42x20 kung hindi "Intelligent Frame Creation 100 Hz Double Scan" amp! ??? Yung mga V series ang may ganitong feature: "Intelligent Frame Creation 600 Hz Sub Field Drive Intelligent Frame Creation Pro" Ngayon the question is which is better, Intelligent Frame Creation 100 Hz Double Scan or Intelligent Frame Creation 600 Hz Sub Field Drive Intelligent Frame Creation Pro? Thanks.
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Having both the V20 and the X20, I'd say none of these "frame creation" tricks do well for me. In-fact I keep them off.
These tricks make your movies less than film like and they induce artifacts that are less than desirable.
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Sorry guys hindi 600Hz sub field drive ang 42x20 kung hindi "Intelligent Frame Creation 100 Hz Double Scan" amp! ???
Are you sure about this?
Nakita ko kasi sa specs ng 42X20, ang sabi "600Hz Sub-field Drive": http://www.panasonic.com.sg/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/vieraplasmatv/xseries/vierathp42x20s
100 Hz Double Scan - Each frame is shown twice. 50Hz x 2 = 100Hz.
600 Hz Sub-field Drive - Pixels & subpixels are flashed 10 times per frame. 60Hz x 10 sub-fields = 600Hz sub-field.
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Having both the V20 and the X20, I'd say none of these "frame creation" tricks do well for me. In-fact I keep them off.
These tricks make your movies less than film like and they induce artifacts that are less than desirable.
Salamat sa input Carlo. I've tested some bluray movies like TROF and Ninja Assassin and this TV performs great during fast action scenes.
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Are you sure about this?
Nakita ko kasi sa specs ng 42X20, ang sabi "600Hz Sub-field Drive": http://www.panasonic.com.sg/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/vieraplasmatv/xseries/vierathp42x20s
100 Hz Double Scan - Each frame is shown twice. 50Hz x 2 = 100Hz.
600 Hz Sub-field Drive - Pixels & subpixels are flashed 10 times per frame. 60Hz x 10 sub-fields = 600Hz sub-field.
Oo nga Barrister. Pero actually ang exact model ng sa akin ay VIERA TH-P42X20M. Pero nung hinanap ko sa internet "600Hz Sub-field Drive". Pero dun sa manual ng tv ko it says 100 Hz Double Scan ???
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Oo nga Barrister. Pero actually ang exact model ng sa akin ay VIERA TH-P42X20M. Pero nung hinanap ko sa internet "600Hz Sub-field Drive". Pero dun sa manual ng tv ko it says 100 Hz Double Scan
Here are "M" models (VIERA TH-P42X20M) with 600Hz specs:
http://www.zigzag.am/product.php?id=0134664
http://www.traklin.co.il/product.asp?pc=121688
The "S" and "M" on the model numbers are just country/region codes. "S" is Singapore. I'm not sure about "M" , but it could be Middle East.
100Hz is an older feature that came out in 2008, when they didn't have a 600Hz feature yet. 600Hz is a newer feature that came out in 2009.
So in 2008, a 100Hz Viera could not have had a 600Hz feature. But starting 2009, it's been possible to have a Viera with 100Hz Double Scan video processing and a 600Hz Sub-field Drive panel at the same time.
Maybe it's just a printing typo on your user's manual.
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quick question:
600hz subfield, do you have to activate/de-activate this feature?
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No, a 600Hz sub-field is permanent and can't be disabled.
It's hard to know what it really does because Panasonic has never clarified it. But my guess is that the ability of a plasma panel's pixels to flash 10 times per frame is merely an additional tool for the engineers to make picture improvements possible.
600Hz is useless by itself. It's what the design engineers do with those 600 flashes per second that can make the difference.
For example, consider that a plasma's subpixels (red, green and blue) can only be on or off. To produce a gamut of colors, those subpixels should flicker at the correct rate in order to produce colors and grayscales accurately. The faster those pixels can flicker, the more accurate the colors and grayscales it can produce.
So it's not enough that the pixels can flicker 600 times per second. It's what the TV does with the flickering pixels that matters.
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thanks barrister. i thought it was plasma's version of lcdtv's 120Hz (which i dont think plasma tv needs) :D
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Here are "M" models (VIERA TH-P42X20M) with 600Hz specs:
http://www.zigzag.am/product.php?id=0134664
http://www.traklin.co.il/product.asp?pc=121688
The "S" and "M" on the model numbers are just country/region codes. "S" is Singapore. I'm not sure about "M" , but it could be Middle East.
100Hz is an older feature came out in 2008, when they didn't have a 600Hz feature yet. 600Hz is a newer feature that came out in 2009.
So in 2008, a 100Hz Viera could not have had a 600Hz feature. But starting 2009, it's been possible to have a Viera with 100Hz Double Scan video processing and a 600Hz Sub-field Drive panel at the same time.
Maybe it's just a printing typo on your user's manual.
Thanks ulit barrister for that clarification. ;D
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thanks barrister. i thought it was plasma's version of lcdtv's 120Hz (which i dont think plasma tv needs) :D
They're very different.
120Hz, 240hz & 480Hz on LCD is motion interpolation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation)), but 600Hz Sub-field Drive on plasma is not motion interpolation.
Now, does plasma need motion interpolation? Allow me to give a comprehensive answer:
Motion interpolation not only reduces judder, it also reduces motion blur.
1. Judder reduction - Motion interpolation is also relevant for plasma if the purpose is judder reduction. In fact, Panasonic plasma also has its version of motion interpolation, which it calls "IFC" (Intelligent Frame Creation).
2. Motion Blur - On the motion blur issue, it's correct to say that plasma doesn't need motion interpolation, since plasma has no problems with motion blur.
That's why LCD keeps pushing those 120Hz, 240Hz and 480Hz specs, because motion blur is an LCD problem that needs to be masked.
However, LCD makers will always say the motion interpolation tech is only for smoother motion. You'll never hear them admitting that it reduces motion blur and motion resolution problems on LCDs ;).
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quick question guys.
will this unit (in the box) fit in the backseat of a normal sized sedan?
thinking of getting one tom.
thanks!
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quick question guys.
will this unit (in the box) fit in the backseat of a normal sized sedan?
thinking of getting one tom.
thanks!
toyota corolla big body kasya (barely). not sure about other sedans.
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Guys ilang feet dapat ang layo kapag 42 inches ang tv mo? Thanks.
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quick question guys.
will this unit (in the box) fit in the backseat of a normal sized sedan?
thinking of getting one tom.
thanks!
it fit a mazda3
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quick question guys.
will this unit (in the box) fit in the backseat of a normal sized sedan?
thinking of getting one tom.
thanks!
Box dimensions nya is 30" X 45" X 8" ata but am not sure. I tried to bring it home using my civic pero alanganin ako. Sakto lang haba nya sa CRV but with folded seats. Do not transport it ng pahiga, delikado.
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Box dimensions nya is 30" X 45" X 8" ata but am not sure. I tried to bring it home using my civic pero alanganin ako. Sakto lang haba nya sa CRV but with folded seats. Do not transport it ng pahiga, delikado.
Sir bakit delikado kapag pahiga?
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It is recommended sa box nya to transport in an upright position since glass panel daw. :). I brought mine from alabang to Batangas and considering Star Tolls condition, baka mabasag since its heavy din at 20 + kgs. I just followed the instructions. Wala bang option to deliver sa place nyo?
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Sir bakit delikado kapag pahiga?
Sa sasakyan, malakas ang up-and-down motion. Pag nakahiga ang isang sheet of glass, may tendency na mag-bend ang glass dahil sa up-and down motion ng sasakyan. Pag nag-bend, biyak ang glass kasi hindi naman flexible ang glass.
(http://www.theglassrackingcompany.com/files/images/content/4.5M%20Open%20Delivery%20Truck%20(Small).jpg)
Tignan mo yung delivery ng mga glass and aluminum supplies. Ang pickup truck nila ay may wooden stand sa pickup bed. Yung glass sheets ay nakatayo sa wooden stand, hindi nakahiga sa pick-up bed.
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Sir bakit delikado kapag pahiga?
my panny LCD box also indicates that it should NOT be transported lying down.
by the way, thanks to all the replies on my earlier inquiry on dimension! and yes the box dimension is 45"X30"X8"
;D
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Guys ilang feet dapat ang layo kapag 42 inches ang tv mo? Thanks.
Yung sakin ata is about 8-9 feet. I do not know if its optimum for 42 inchers. So far ok naman :)
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Salamat sa reply sir I just checked and 8 feet is indeed the correct distance from the 42 incher TV. :D
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Salamat sa reply sir I just checked and 8 feet is indeed the correct distance from the 42 incher TV. :D
ewan ko lang kung nasanay ako sa PJ pero naliliitan ako sa 50" at this range ;D
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for sale na ba sir yung 50" mo? let us know... :D
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Box dimensions nya is 30" X 45" X 8" ata but am not sure. I tried to bring it home using my civic pero alanganin ako. Sakto lang haba nya sa CRV but with folded seats. Do not transport it ng pahiga, delikado.
Okay lang pahiga as long as the front panel is is on the top side.
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Okay lang pahiga as long as the front panel is is on the top side.
Probably, in short drive distances cguro na ok ang road condition to your delivery point but I would not risk it, sayang ang 39+k kung mag crack ang glass panel. :)
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for sale na ba sir yung 50" mo? let us know... :D
not yet bro. medyo nasanay na sa size nya for movies.
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is there no aftermarket anti-reflective screen sheet that one can just buy and install on super-reflective displays, like those protective screens for laptop screens?
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need some help, gents!
i got this TV yesterday. got it all set up properly and ready to go, picked out my preferences (mode, picture, sound, ratio, etc.) and turned it off via the remote. when i reactivate it, it again asks me to setup. and then everytime i turn off (standby on the remote) it wipes everything and doesnt' remember anything of the setup, even the TV tuning. so everytime i turn it on it asks me to setup everything from OSD language and on.
all this time the Main power is switched on, and there is no power interruption. it is as if the "standby" button is not just getting the TV to stand by, but turning the set completely off. is there a need to "save" the settings or something? or is there a step that needs to be done so i don't go setting up everytime?
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is there no aftermarket anti-reflective screen sheet that one can just buy and install on super-reflective displays, like those protective screens for laptop screens?
BUMP!
may nabalitaan akong ganito dati. :)
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Probably, in short drive distances cguro na ok ang road condition to your delivery point but I would not risk it, sayang ang 39+k kung mag crack ang glass panel. :)
As long as it is in the original packaging, it is safe as long as the roads are paved. I travelled around 120km of paved roads, okay naman.
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29K starting December 1 at SnS according to Vic!
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29K starting December 1 at SnS according to Vic!
Oh may Gally :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Hanyep!!!
I feel sorry sa mga nakabili na lately... Best buy ito! :o
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Hanyep!!!
I feel sorry sa mga nakabili na lately... Best buy ito! :o
Indeed bro, I posted nga my comics collection to fund this. hehe here's hoping
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29K starting December 1 at SnS according to Vic!
nice.. have to sell some stuff to get this, I like the 50"..
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29K starting December 1 at SnS according to Vic!
10k drop??? parang ambaba naman ata :o, kakakuha ko lang last month ha ha ha. kainis naman ;D.
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Tiyakin nyo lang na fully acceptable kayo sa super reflective screen. Take note yung posts inquiring about anti-reflective film sheets. Im certain those products are avalable but can you imagine how to actually apply such thin sheet on a huge area of glass?
Other than that, great price!
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wow mura!
hmm, sulit kaya ipalit to sa 37 ld460? for the same price.
lcd:plasma
37":42"
1080p:720p
built-in mediaplayer:none
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@all
medyo ot pero ano po ang mas ok sa dalawa?
50c10 or 50x20
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@all
medyo ot pero ano po ang mas ok sa dalawa?
50c10 or 50x20
wait for carlo's reply he gave me the pros and cons of the two unit ;)
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wait for carlo's reply he gave me the pros and cons of the two unit ;)
thanks!pa update po ako asap sir ninjababez.
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@all
medyo ot pero ano po ang mas ok sa dalawa?
50c10 or 50x20
Got the 50c, 50x is too reflective for me...so for so good!
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hmm, sulit kaya ipalit to sa 37 ld460? for the same price.
lcd:plasma
37":42"
1080p:720p
built-in mediaplayer:none
If you can control the lighting conditions in your room, kakainin ng TV na eto ang LD460...hehehe
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@all
medyo ot pero ano po ang mas ok sa dalawa?
50c10 or 50x20
They're almost the same! The C10 has an advantage off-hand because it has a color management feature, that the X20 doesn't have. However, I don't use the color management feature of the C10 because it gives unnatural colors.
Side by side less the color management feature, mas maganda yung X20 ;)
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wow thanks so much carlo much appreciated!
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If you can control the lighting conditions in your room, kakainin ng TV na eto ang LD460...hehehe
that's my main concern... my lighting controls in room are thick curtains. hehe. baka di kayanin, may tumatagos pa din. di ko naman pwede alisin bintana.
;D
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that's my main concern... my lighting controls in room are thick curtains. hehe. baka di kayanin, may tumatagos pa din. di ko naman pwede alisin bintana.
;D
You dont need to make your room totally dark on a plasma. Generally, 150 lux can give you optimum image quality already. Special case lang talaga yung V20 na kahit 1000 lux ay maganda pa rin. Hehehe.
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You dont need to make your room totally dark on a plasma. Generally, 150 lux can give you optimum image quality already. Special case lang talaga yung V20 na kahit 1000 lux ay maganda pa rin. Hehehe.
thanks, nakakatakot lang kasi mga feedback about the mirror like screen of the X20, i'm currently using an LD460 and there is virtually no reflection even in bright daylight, parang matte yung screen, frame lang yung makintab.
the V20 is way past my budget, hehe. pasko, dami gastos ;D
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thanks, nakakatakot lang kasi mga feedback about the mirror like screen of the X20, i'm currently using an LD460 and there is virtually no reflection even in bright daylight, parang matte yung screen, frame lang yung makintab.
the V20 is way past my budget, hehe. pasko, dami gastos ;D
Masmaganda try mo na lang yung tv ng side by side at SnS, that's what I did when I got my 50C10, just not sure if they still have stocks of C10 model.
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Masmaganda try mo na lang yung tv ng side by side at SnS, that's what I did when I got my 50C10, just not sure if they still have stocks of C10 model.
thanks, i'll definitely do a side by side with 42X20 and 37LD460 and if available 42C10, not sure if SnS is carrying the 42C10 and if it is at the same price point (29.5K).
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Mr qualitycontrol, how did the side by side go on the 42x20 and LD460? Thanks.
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Mr qualitycontrol, how did the side by side go on the 42x20 and LD460? Thanks.
dropping by SnS later. i think i'll end up taking home the 42x20... we'll see. ;D
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mamumurublema kaya ako sa maintenance ng plasma? balak ko kasi lcd sana kahit i-style lang. xbox360 and destiny cable use lang.
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mamumurublema kaya ako sa maintenance ng plasma? balak ko kasi lcd sana kahit i-style lang. xbox360 and destiny cable use lang.
best option is audition ;)
dropping by SnS later. i think i'll end up taking home the 42x20... we'll see. ;D
im 99% sure youll get the 42" plasma, the screensize alone will dwarf 37" add the better PQ :D
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@mr quality,
s side by side comparison, musta naman and anong unit used for comparison. rank mo nga. TIA
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Sir Ninja, I saw the x20 yesterday, the glass really looks classy di mukhang 29.5k for a 42 incher.. :)
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mamumurublema kaya ako sa maintenance ng plasma? balak ko kasi lcd sana kahit i-style lang. xbox360 and destiny cable use lang.
What do you mean by maintenance?
Kailangan mo lang ay soft na pamunas, like any other kind of TV and monitor... ;D
Guys simple lang ang situation, kung OKS lang sa inyo ang reflective screen, this model is a major-general steal.
Pero kung may major major isyu ang reflection and you cant possibly solve it sa TV room, better na wag kayong magpilit dahil baka mabanas lang kayo - anti-reflective sheets on top of a 42 inch reflective plasma? not exactly fishball (feasible).
kapayapaan.
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mamumurublema kaya ako sa maintenance ng plasma? balak ko kasi lcd sana kahit i-style lang. xbox360 and destiny cable use lang.
Maintenance ng plasma vs LCD? You mean madali bang masira?
From the posts here, sa tingin ko pareho lang na matibay ang plasma and LCD. Pero minsan minamalas, sira agad whether plasma or LCD.
May image retention issue nga ang plasma, may dead pixel issue naman ang LCD. Maraming reklamo sa reflective screen ng low-end plasma, reflective din naman ang high-end Samsung LED screen, scratch-prone pa, kasi hindi glass, pero walang masyadong reklamo.
Pareho lang ... ;)
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Pag di natuloy yung singapore ko, bili na ako ng plasma. mahirap mag transport ng plasma if ever. hehe.
thanks guys for your inputs. by the way, pwede ba mag pa program ng cable channels sa store before i-deliver?
eto kasi yung reason kaya na coconsider ko pa yung lg lcds.
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i was able to compare the 42x20 with the 32ld460 earlier at SnS.
verdict? size matters. ;D
though contrast on the 460 was more saturated thus giving the impression of better colors, i still liked the overall balance of the x20 better.
movement on both tv's are ok. when it came to slow panning shots, the 460 was not that bad at all. plasma of course was a bit smoother.
the screen reflection on the x20 was definitely there, but not as bad as i imagined.. this on a shop with lots of lights.
as for image quality, not sure if it was the source (spiderman) but i was expecting a little less grainy-ness on these new tv's compared the 2 yr old 42PV80 at home but it's still there, maybe i'm expecting too much :P
overall, i can't really say anything horrible about the ld460 to make this easier, it's a damn good tv. no wonder it has been selling like crazy. it's just that for my purpose the x20 serves me better.
look away if you are anti-rant
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had a not so pleasant experience with SnS earlier. i was there almost at opening and it took them 3hrs just to receive and inspect the unit i returned in order to upgrade to an x20. of course it is understandable that they would prioritize a new sale over a replacement.. still, 3hrs and i end up with no tv?
also as a tip, if you want to be able to swap your unit hassle free, make sure you don't remove any of the protective plastic sheets. this is the main reason i went home empty handed and still have to wait for them to decide if i get to swap. tv was in mint condition except that they told me the stand had tiny scratches. my tv is just about 2 weeks old, after unpacking and setting on the stand.. it stayed there till i packed it back in the box to return it.
this is my 2nd tv purchase with them and proudly refers them to every person i know that is in the market for a new tv. up till now i have had no complaints. we'll see, still hoping SnS delivers on their promise.
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had a not so pleasant experience with SnS earlier. i was there almost at opening and it took them 3hrs just to receive and inspect the unit i returned in order to upgrade to an x20. of course it is understandable that they would prioritize a new sale over a replacement.. still, 3hrs and i end up with no tv?
also as a tip, if you want to be able to swap your unit hassle free, make sure you don't remove any of the protective plastic sheets. this is the main reason i went home empty handed and still have to wait for them to decide if i get to swap. tv was in mint condition except that they told me the stand had tiny scratches. my tv is just about 2 weeks old, after unpacking and setting on the stand.. it stayed there till i packed it back in the box to return it.
this is my 2nd tv purchase with them and proudly refers them to every person i know that is in the market for a new tv. up till now i have had no complaints. we'll see, still hoping SnS delivers on their promise.
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sent several SMS to vic before going there, mabilis naman yung transaction part, inspection was about 10 - 15 minutes. ang mali ko lang i left the power cord ;D so i had no choice but to go home.
in your case naman, maybe it took them a while to contact vic? :)
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i was able to compare the 42x20 with the 32ld460 earlier at SnS.
verdict? size matters. ;D
though contrast on the 460 was more saturated thus giving the impression of better colors, i still liked the overall balance of the x20 better.
as for image quality, not sure if it was the source (spiderman) but i was expecting a little less grainy-ness on these new tv's compared the 2 yr old 42PV80 at home but it's still there, maybe i'm expecting too much :P
I'll go see the x20 tom. Was the Spiderman source on Bluray? Maybe the contrast on the 460 was set too high? Thanks!
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sent several SMS to vic before going there, mabilis naman yung transaction part, inspection was about 10 - 15 minutes. ang mali ko lang i left the power cord ;D so i had no choice but to go home.
in your case naman, maybe it took them a while to contact vic? :)
i guess i should've texted vic beforehand as well.
were you able to get the replacement unit the same day?
wala tuloy tv sa isang bahay. what sucks is i still don't know how long i'll be tv-less. and if i can get the x20.
sana wag naman abutin ng xmas break. balak ko pa naman i-enjoy ang tv sa bakasyon.
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I think it's totally fair na thorough ang inspection of any item for replacement. Mag-ingat kayong mabuti sa gamit in case you have plans or there is an option to replace within a limited period. Yeah dapat wag nyong tanggalin yung mga protective plastic films kung meron possibility na you would replace or upgrade. Syempre ibebenta rin nila yon sa susunod na Customer and sino naman ang may gusto ng kahit isang scratch at the same price - lalo na ang Pinoy?
Maski sa Tokyo, magkaroon lang ng dent ang BOX or magusot lang ang manual, minus na kaagad sa value, paano pa ang scratches (no matter how tiny). But hopefully, Vic would be kinder. So goodluk. That 1-month replacement offer if SnS is great, but replacement conditions have to be totally fair for both parties.
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I think it's totally fair na thorough ang inspection of any item for replacement. Mag-ingat kayong mabuti sa gamit in case you have plans or there is an option to replace within a limited period. Yeah dapat wag nyong tanggalin yung mga protective plastic films kung meron possibility na you would replace or upgrade. Syempre ibebenta rin nila yon sa susunod na Customer and sino naman ang may gusto ng kahit isang scratch at the same price - lalo na ang Pinoy?
Maski sa Tokyo, magkaroon lang ng dent ang BOX or magusot lang ang manual, minus na kaagad sa value, paano pa ang scratches (no matter how tiny). But hopefully, Vic would be kinder. So goodluk. That 1-month replacement offer if SnS is great, but replacement conditions have to be totally fair for both parties.
yep, that's why i was waaaaaay more patient than usual, 3hrs wait (at wala pa ko tulog nun). inspection was relatively quick, what was painful was waiting around for a.) someone to get the unit from the car b.) waiting for them to finally inspect it and c.) waiting for the decision on what will happen next.
disappointed? of course, i was expecting the best (that there were stocks and i could take it home at once) but i also get that this is a perk, a value added service that's why i was not all raging when they told me i'd have to wait for their call if i can avail of the upgrade.
haaay, please vic be my santa :)
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i guess i should've texted vic beforehand as well.
were you able to get the replacement unit the same day?
yes i got it the same day, they were actually offering me the option for delivery as they were worried how i would transport the 50" tv. taxi lang kasi and 42" with box barely fits a corolla cab (big body) :D
wala tuloy tv sa isang bahay. what sucks is i still don't know how long i'll be tv-less. and if i can get the x20.
sana wag naman abutin ng xmas break. balak ko pa naman i-enjoy ang tv sa bakasyon.
im sure a few text message and confirmation call should seal the deal. ;)
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grabe gusto ko na talaga bumili nito. ilang watts pala sya? kumusta naman performance sa xbox 360?
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^ Go go na sir, bili na ;D
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gusto ko na din talaga ng plasma since last year c10 pa uso. kaso di kaya ko buhatin to siguro kapag nagkaproblem solo lang ako sa bahay.
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Got this TV last week, upgraded from the 37LD460 I got last month. Had the slight problem with settings posted earlier, but now it's been resolved. This is my 3rd TV, having gone from an LG 32LH70YR to the LG 37LD460 to the Panasonic 42X20. While the LG has produced really good LCD TVs, I'd have to say that Panasonic Plasma this is indeed the better choice and best deal.
Size really does matter! I'll always recommend people go for the bigger size screen for the same amount of money. Despite the lower 720p resolution, it is just as good to watch as the 1080p since my movies are still in DVD. At the correct viewing distance, the resolution really is not discernable; you'd have to be sitting 2 feet away to really notice any difference, and that misses the point of having a 42'' screen.
To compare the experience, use a CG movie like Bolt or Wally on DVD, you'd have to be really OC and nitpicking to see any difference. But if you're OC and nitpicky, no TV will ever satisfy you, you will always find something you don't like.
Between resolution and speed, I would recommend that people go for speed; a smooth 720p is better than a juddery/jerky/blurry 1080p. Not that I would always go for 120/240Hz; but as long as its faster than 60Hz it will be ok. Although the problems are not often noticeable in the LD460, it really pops out and screams at the eyes at the times when they are. For example, the dogfight scene in Lost in Space and the missile chase scene in Behind Enemy Lines. I was really surprised at how uncomfortably blurry the scenes were in the opening dogfight, especially where the camera zooms in on Matt LeBlanc in the bubblefighter's cockpit. In Behind Enemy Lines, the LCD visibly dropped a few frames from the shot of the missile's "shotgun blast" just before it hit the RF-18. No such problems on the plasma.
While the LG's numerous control options seem like an attractive feature, the simpler controls on the Panasonic actually make for an easier tweaking to suit individual tastes because it is less complicated and gets faster results. With elaborate controls, you have to tweak way too many independent settings and balance them against each other, so that more often you just give up and go back to the presets. With simpler controls, tweaking via the THX Optimizer on Lucasfilm DVDs works well enough for the purpose.
As for the reflective screen, I don't think it should be a deal-breaker. If you're looking for reflections, you're not paying attention to what's showing. The eye actually tends to focus on the image presented and automatically shut out/look past the reflections on the screen surface. It also makes the TV really good and clean (and expensive) when turned off.
Color and speed more than make up for the 30% difference in resolution between 720p and 1080p. Add the size, and you've really got the best and most cost-effective deal for such a quality plasma screen! So in short, when choosing, in terms of priority, I recommend size, speed, color, resolution. 42x20 fits the bill very well!
So get 'em while you can, folks! Thanks SnS!
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convincing. kaso wala ata stock based sa kabilang thread.
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convincing. kaso wala ata stock based sa kabilang thread.
sa baba ng presyo, nagtataka ako kung bakit nag dadalawang isip pa mga buyers eh ;D
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Hi Guys,
I need you expert opinions.
I just got this TV from SNS. I hooked up my Xtreamer pro and used 1080p or 1080i as output signal to the TV. Problem is there's a white snow like trail that appears in the TV and some are like white pigments (usually appears in areas where a dark and whiter shade of the picture comes together). It changes place depending on the picture. I was surprised to see this because I never had this problem in my panny LCD 32X10 when playing 1080p. Is this normal? Isn't it supposed to be HD Ready meaning it can take 1080 signal?
When I use 720p as output, the picture is perfect. No problems whatsoever.
Do you think this is a manufacturing defect?
thanks!
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nagkaganyan ako dati dun sa astone media player ko when using my samsung lcd. pero pag xbox ang nagpplay, wala naman. try to use a different source if its the same.
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Works ok with my upscaling DVD player. Can this because of inferior hdmi cables?
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may usb port ba to?
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wala po. SD Card reader only.
I used to use the USB port of my pio DVD player before I got my Xtreamer.
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Got this TV last week, upgraded from the 37LD460 I got last month. Had the slight problem with settings posted earlier, but now it's been resolved. This is my 3rd TV, having gone from an LG 32LH70YR to the LG 37LD460 to the Panasonic 42X20. While the LG has produced really good LCD TVs, I'd have to say that Panasonic Plasma this is indeed the better choice and best deal.
Size really does matter! I'll always recommend people go for the bigger size screen for the same amount of money. Despite the lower 720p resolution, it is just as good to watch as the 1080p since my movies are still in DVD. At the correct viewing distance, the resolution really is not discernable; you'd have to be sitting 2 feet away to really notice any difference, and that misses the point of having a 42'' screen.
To compare the experience, use a CG movie like Bolt or Wally on DVD, you'd have to be really OC and nitpicking to see any difference. But if you're OC and nitpicky, no TV will ever satisfy you, you will always find something you don't like.
Between resolution and speed, I would recommend that people go for speed; a smooth 720p is better than a juddery/jerky/blurry 1080p. Not that I would always go for 120/240Hz; but as long as its faster than 60Hz it will be ok. Although the problems are not often noticeable in the LD460, it really pops out and screams at the eyes at the times when they are. For example, the dogfight scene in Lost in Space and the missile chase scene in Behind Enemy Lines. I was really surprised at how uncomfortably blurry the scenes were in the opening dogfight, especially where the camera zooms in on Matt LeBlanc in the bubblefighter's cockpit. In Behind Enemy Lines, the LCD visibly dropped a few frames from the shot of the missile's "shotgun blast" just before it hit the RF-18. No such problems on the plasma.
While the LG's numerous control options seem like an attractive feature, the simpler controls on the Panasonic actually make for an easier tweaking to suit individual tastes because it is less complicated and gets faster results. With elaborate controls, you have to tweak way too many independent settings and balance them against each other, so that more often you just give up and go back to the presets. With simpler controls, tweaking via the THX Optimizer on Lucasfilm DVDs works well enough for the purpose.
As for the reflective screen, I don't think it should be a deal-breaker. If you're looking for reflections, you're not paying attention to what's showing. The eye actually tends to focus on the image presented and automatically shut out/look past the reflections on the screen surface. It also makes the TV really good and clean (and expensive) when turned off.
Color and speed more than make up for the 30% difference in resolution between 720p and 1080p. Add the size, and you've really got the best and most cost-effective deal for such a quality plasma screen! So in short, when choosing, in terms of priority, I recommend size, speed, color, resolution. 42x20 fits the bill very well!
So get 'em while you can, folks! Thanks SnS!
quite a very refreshing review! :)
very practical and straightforward...
one of the best i've read so far...
may thanks for the input!
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Posted on: Yesterday at 11:41 AMPosted by: cabletekkie
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Quote from: Jaybats on Dec 06, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Got this TV last week, upgraded from the 37LD460 I got last month. Had the slight problem with settings posted earlier, but now it's been resolved. This is my 3rd TV, having gone from an LG 32LH70YR to the LG 37LD460 to the Panasonic 42X20. While the LG has produced really good LCD TVs, I'd have to say that Panasonic Plasma this is indeed the better choice and best deal.
Size really does matter! I'll always recommend people go for the bigger size screen for the same amount of money. Despite the lower 720p resolution, it is just as good to watch as the 1080p since my movies are still in DVD. At the correct viewing distance, the resolution really is not discernable; you'd have to be sitting 2 feet away to really notice any difference, and that misses the point of having a 42'' screen.
To compare the experience, use a CG movie like Bolt or Wally on DVD, you'd have to be really OC and nitpicking to see any difference. But if you're OC and nitpicky, no TV will ever satisfy you, you will always find something you don't like.
Between resolution and speed, I would recommend that people go for speed; a smooth 720p is better than a juddery/jerky/blurry 1080p. Not that I would always go for 120/240Hz; but as long as its faster than 60Hz it will be ok. Although the problems are not often noticeable in the LD460, it really pops out and screams at the eyes at the times when they are. For example, the dogfight scene in Lost in Space and the missile chase scene in Behind Enemy Lines. I was really surprised at how uncomfortably blurry the scenes were in the opening dogfight, especially where the camera zooms in on Matt LeBlanc in the bubblefighter's cockpit. In Behind Enemy Lines, the LCD visibly dropped a few frames from the shot of the missile's "shotgun blast" just before it hit the RF-18. No such problems on the plasma.
While the LG's numerous control options seem like an attractive feature, the simpler controls on the Panasonic actually make for an easier tweaking to suit individual tastes because it is less complicated and gets faster results. With elaborate controls, you have to tweak way too many independent settings and balance them against each other, so that more often you just give up and go back to the presets. With simpler controls, tweaking via the THX Optimizer on Lucasfilm DVDs works well enough for the purpose.
As for the reflective screen, I don't think it should be a deal-breaker. If you're looking for reflections, you're not paying attention to what's showing. The eye actually tends to focus on the image presented and automatically shut out/look past the reflections on the screen surface. It also makes the TV really good and clean (and expensive) when turned off.
Color and speed more than make up for the 30% difference in resolution between 720p and 1080p. Add the size, and you've really got the best and most cost-effective deal for such a quality plasma screen! So in short, when choosing, in terms of priority, I recommend size, speed, color, resolution. 42x20 fits the bill very well!
So get 'em while you can, folks! Thanks SnS!
quite a very refreshing review!
very practical and straightforward...
one of the best i've read so far...
may thanks for the input!
2nd the motion. his review somehow pushes me to buy this toy.
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so far s mga nakabili,
may issues ba etong X20? like LD series ng LG, backlight bleeding. s C530 ng sammy, may green "?". c X20 meron ba aside s reflection?
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so far s mga nakabili,
may issues ba etong X20? like LD series ng LG, backlight bleeding. s C530 ng sammy, may green "?". c X20 meron ba aside s reflection?
none so far. Im not sure but I dont think plasma TVs suffer from backlight bleeding as much as LCDs or not at all. just have thick curtains and you'll be fine with the reflection.
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Got this TV last week, upgraded from the 37LD460 I got last month. Had the slight problem with settings posted earlier, but now it's been resolved. This is my 3rd TV, having gone from an LG 32LH70YR to the LG 37LD460 to the Panasonic 42X20. While the LG has produced really good LCD TVs, I'd have to say that Panasonic Plasma this is indeed the better choice and best deal.
Size really does matter! I'll always recommend people go for the bigger size screen for the same amount of money. Despite the lower 720p resolution, it is just as good to watch as the 1080p since my movies are still in DVD. At the correct viewing distance, the resolution really is not discernable; you'd have to be sitting 2 feet away to really notice any difference, and that misses the point of having a 42'' screen.
To compare the experience, use a CG movie like Bolt or Wally on DVD, you'd have to be really OC and nitpicking to see any difference. But if you're OC and nitpicky, no TV will ever satisfy you, you will always find something you don't like.
Between resolution and speed, I would recommend that people go for speed; a smooth 720p is better than a juddery/jerky/blurry 1080p. Not that I would always go for 120/240Hz; but as long as its faster than 60Hz it will be ok. Although the problems are not often noticeable in the LD460, it really pops out and screams at the eyes at the times when they are. For example, the dogfight scene in Lost in Space and the missile chase scene in Behind Enemy Lines. I was really surprised at how uncomfortably blurry the scenes were in the opening dogfight, especially where the camera zooms in on Matt LeBlanc in the bubblefighter's cockpit. In Behind Enemy Lines, the LCD visibly dropped a few frames from the shot of the missile's "shotgun blast" just before it hit the RF-18. No such problems on the plasma.
While the LG's numerous control options seem like an attractive feature, the simpler controls on the Panasonic actually make for an easier tweaking to suit individual tastes because it is less complicated and gets faster results. With elaborate controls, you have to tweak way too many independent settings and balance them against each other, so that more often you just give up and go back to the presets. With simpler controls, tweaking via the THX Optimizer on Lucasfilm DVDs works well enough for the purpose.
As for the reflective screen, I don't think it should be a deal-breaker. If you're looking for reflections, you're not paying attention to what's showing. The eye actually tends to focus on the image presented and automatically shut out/look past the reflections on the screen surface. It also makes the TV really good and clean (and expensive) when turned off.
Color and speed more than make up for the 30% difference in resolution between 720p and 1080p. Add the size, and you've really got the best and most cost-effective deal for such a quality plasma screen! So in short, when choosing, in terms of priority, I recommend size, speed, color, resolution. 42x20 fits the bill very well!
So get 'em while you can, folks! Thanks SnS!
Nice review..
although 720p vs 1080p in terms of resolution is not 30% difference it is a 100% increase 1mp vs. 2mp.
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none so far. Im not sure but I dont think plasma TVs suffer from backlight bleeding as much as LCDs or not at all. just have thick curtains and you'll be fine with the reflection.
When you buy thios in SNS does it comes with a wall braket? hdmi?
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When you buy thios in SNS does it comes with a wall braket? hdmi?
wala po. but you can buy from them. I think the cheapest HDMI you can get is from CDRKing. They also have a wall bracket that a friend of mine used for his 42C10. He had no problem whatsoever. ;D
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best buy na ba eto kung gamitin lang sa Cignal HD?
90% Cignal HD viewing and 10% games lang...
nice review jaybats. this helps alot for those searching
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The Sigma wall bracket I used is good. medyo pricey nga lang at 2.8k. available sa SM appliance. Maganda clearance nya sa likod, will not crimp the cables.
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Try the Dai-ichi brand wall mount from Listening Room. P1.8K lang! Very good quality! ;D
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Sa Sights and Sound ako bumili bro. 36k store warranty and 39k panasonic warranty. Ang ganda ng PQ nito hindi ka magsisisi kahit 720p lang panalo!
akala ko po ba sir 29500php nlng?
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akala ko po ba sir 29500php nlng?
checked mo yung date ng quote mo ;)
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aw. nov.5 pa pla sorry,
sir ok pa rin ba quality pag sa laptop ako nagplay ng hd movies connected thru VGa?
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aw. nov.5 pa pla sorry,
sir ok pa rin ba quality pag sa laptop ako nagplay ng hd movies connected thru VGa?
yup wala lang sound, tsaka dapat capable ng 720p/1024x768 yung laptop mo (which is very common) :)
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salamat sa infor sir!
tanung po ulit! :D (sasamantalahin ko na hehe)
wala nmn po ba nagiging problema ung 42X20 pag ung pineplay na movie na eh 1080p (thru NMT?) (xtreamer)?
thanks ulit
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salamat sa infor sir!
tanung po ulit! :D (sasamantalahin ko na hehe)
wala nmn po ba nagiging problema ung 42X20 pag ung pineplay na movie na eh 1080p (thru NMT?) (xtreamer)?
thanks ulit
pagsira nabili magkakaproblema talaga :)
other than that wala naman. unless 720p vs 1080p yung question mo.
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to those who took the 37ld460 -> 42X20 upgrade path, is it worthy or there are regrets :)? is there really a big difference in power consumption? i might join the bandwagon ASAP kung may stock pa ang SnS. thanks.
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Hi Guys,
I need you expert opinions.
I just got this TV from SNS. I hooked up my Xtreamer pro and used 1080p or 1080i as output signal to the TV. Problem is there's a white snow like trail that appears in the TV and some are like white pigments (usually appears in areas where a dark and whiter shade of the picture comes together). It changes place depending on the picture. I was surprised to see this because I never had this problem in my panny LCD 32X10 when playing 1080p. Is this normal? Isn't it supposed to be HD Ready meaning it can take 1080 signal?
When I use 720p as output, the picture is perfect. No problems whatsoever.
Do you think this is a manufacturing defect?
thanks!
Update lang.
No more problem. The TV just needed some time for "break-in". Works perfectly now!
Cheers!
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to those who took the 37ld460 -> 42X20 upgrade path, is it worthy or there are regrets :)? is there really a big difference in power consumption? i might join the bandwagon ASAP kung may stock pa ang SnS. thanks.
not so much of a regret. just depends on what you'll be using it for.
for my case, i've found that the LD460 was better when using my PC in terms of PQ. the pana had difficulties handling desktop resolutions greater than 1024x768, heavily distorted na. i was hoping to get it to at least an acceptable 1280x1080 (sayang naman yung laki ng screen) so i gave up on my htpc setup.
i also miss the wealth of features on the 460. with x20, you get the basic stuff only, nothing much else to play with. also, cable tv PQ seems to be better with 460.
then again, a 42 plasma at this price is just too much a bargain to pass on.
so, sharing with you some factors i considered:
plasma doesn't suffer from backlight bleeding, and in general lcd's has a high likelihood of getting this if not early on, in the long run. so i'm hoping the plasma will give me a longer lifespan. so that, plus the size tipped me over to keep the plasma.
my original planned usage for the TV was 50%HTPC&PC Games, 25%CATV and 25%PS3, but now scrapped the HTPC option since i can't stand the oversized icons,text and small screen real estate of 1024x768. now i find that my usage is becoming 95%PS3 and 5% CATV, since getting this i have not been able to watch an MKV, i still need to figure out a way to stream/watch it using the PS3 (NMT is not with me ATM).
just keep in mind that i'm no expert and just basing this opinion using my untrained (newbie) eye.
question po pala sa mga masters:
uso pa ba ang burn-in at calibration after? o pang old school plasma lang yun?
TIA
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Update lang.
No more problem. The TV just needed some time for "break-in". Works perfectly now!
Cheers!
Hi miccollo, i also have the xtreamer pro and just bought the 40x20. I am now experiencing the same starry starry night effect! Even if i change the xtreamer output from 1080p to 720p, they still appear. Could it be the hdmi cable? Because digibox does thru rca now does not give any stars.
So you did not do anything and it just disappeared? How long did you use it before nawala? Thanks!!
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not so much of a regret. just depends on what you'll be using it for.
for my case, i've found that the LD460 was better when using my PC in terms of PQ. the pana had difficulties handling desktop resolutions greater than 1024x768, heavily distorted na. i was hoping to get it to at least an acceptable 1280x1080 (sayang naman yung laki ng screen) so i gave up on my htpc setup.
i also miss the wealth of features on the 460. with x20, you get the basic stuff only, nothing much else to play with. also, cable tv PQ seems to be better with 460.
then again, a 42 plasma at this price is just too much a bargain to pass on.
so, sharing with you some factors i considered:
plasma doesn't suffer from backlight bleeding, and in general lcd's has a high likelihood of getting this if not early on, in the long run. so i'm hoping the plasma will give me a longer lifespan. so that, plus the size tipped me over to keep the plasma.
my original planned usage for the TV was 50%HTPC&PC Games, 25%CATV and 25%PS3, but now scrapped the HTPC option since i can't stand the oversized icons,text and small screen real estate of 1024x768. now i find that my usage is becoming 95%PS3 and 5% CATV, since getting this i have not been able to watch an MKV, i still need to figure out a way to stream/watch it using the PS3 (NMT is not with me ATM).
just keep in mind that i'm no expert and just basing this opinion using my untrained (newbie) eye.
question po pala sa mga masters:
uso pa ba ang burn-in at calibration after? o pang old school plasma lang yun?
TIA
thanks qc for the feedback. just a bit worried about your remark that "cable tv PQ seems to be better with 460" because i'll be using this mostly for cable and movies. anyone is experiencing the same? thanks
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sa mga users po ng tv na to, question naman po..
I'm planning to buy xtreamer, meron din kasi ako nitong model na ito. Gusto ko lang malaman sana kung significant ba ang difference between 720 and 1080p movies sa tv na to since 720p ang native resolution niya? 720p dvd's palang kasi na-try ko. Kung hindi kasi noticeable ang difference ng 2 resolutions, siguro mag-settle nalang ako sa 720p formats para sa nmt, para tipid na rin sa space.. Any inputs?
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meron bang pabili si sir vic ng xtreamer para isahan n pagbili sknya soon? if yes, how much?
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ganda po pq ng x20. meron lang po koako konting napuna,
using my laptop as movie player (.mp4 kmp player) (connected thru vga) @ 1600x1024
-meron black bar sa lower part and right side ng tv
-tsaka medyo double image po pag nagpeplay ng movie
wla naman po problem nung pinatest ko using bluray player.
nasa VGA connection lang po ba ung problem nito?
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I tried a couple of times but ultimately decided against using a computer with a screen 32" and above. Overkill na for me, and seems like an inefficient use of a large screen. I now just use a 24" screen with my laptop (15" Macbook Pro) set up for 2-screen use.
Plasma TV is really just for watching movies for me; I don't even bother hooking it up to cable and I am not into games. So the 37LD460 to 42X20 upgrade path works just fine for me.
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Went to SnS this afternoon with every intention of buying the Toshiba 32AV700, but ended up buying this unit... :P
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sa mga users po ng tv na to, question naman po..
I'm planning to buy xtreamer, meron din kasi ako nitong model na ito. Gusto ko lang malaman sana kung significant ba ang difference between 720 and 1080p movies sa tv na to since 720p ang native resolution niya? 720p dvd's palang kasi na-try ko. Kung hindi kasi noticeable ang difference ng 2 resolutions, siguro mag-settle nalang ako sa 720p formats para sa nmt, para tipid na rin sa space.. Any inputs?
Im using xtreamer pro. Kahit 720 or 1080 malinaw na malinaw dito sa tv na to. Since this is a 720 native TV, you can easily just use 720 formats and still enjoy great pq. Most of my downloads aremalso 720p.
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Im using xtreamer pro. Kahit 720 or 1080 malinaw na malinaw dito sa tv na to. Since this is a 720 native TV, you can easily just use 720 formats and still enjoy great pq. Most of my downloads aremalso 720p.
@miccollo ano setting mo sa xtreamer? 1080p or 720p and 50 or 60hz? I'm still getting blinking white pixels kung 1080 or 720 eh with my 40X20 :(
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@miccollo ano setting mo sa xtreamer? 1080p or 720p and 50 or 60hz? I'm still getting blinking white pixels kung 1080 or 720 eh with my 40X20 :(
Give it some more time for break in. Ibaba mo muna ng 720p either 50 or 60 hz. And ensure wala black bar. You can zoom in vertically naman wd the xtreamer. After a few more hours mawawala din yan. Enjoy!
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Here are "M" models (VIERA TH-P42X20M) with 600Hz specs:
http://www.zigzag.am/product.php?id=0134664
http://www.traklin.co.il/product.asp?pc=121688
The "S" and "M" on the model numbers are just country/region codes. "S" is Singapore. I'm not sure about "M" , but it could be Middle East.
100Hz is an older feature that came out in 2008, when they didn't have a 600Hz feature yet. 600Hz is a newer feature that came out in 2009.
So in 2008, a 100Hz Viera could not have had a 600Hz feature. But starting 2009, it's been possible to have a Viera with 100Hz Double Scan video processing and a 600Hz Sub-field Drive panel at the same time.
Maybe it's just a printing typo on your user's manual.
Paano po malalaman kung yung nabiling unit eh 2009 or 2008 version ? (th-p42x20v)
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Paano po malalaman kung yung nabiling unit eh 2009 or 2008 version ? (th-p42x20v)
check manufacturing date? :)
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bro i suggest you have it calibrated. bukod sa iba ang taste mo sa taste ng ibang users, iba rin ang lighting ng location mo. anyway, just to answer your question, mine is on Cinema default and ECO mode is ON. sometimes i set it to Gaming mode whenever a movie is too dark for Cinema mode. ;)
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Sir patulong nman ng ideal settings, sa bedroom ciya nakalagay, mga 40 sq mtrs ang size. saan po ba magpapacalibrate....
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Paano po malalaman kung yung nabiling unit eh 2009 or 2008 version ? (th-p42x20v)
Huh? What about the following reference.
2010: X20
2009: X10/C10
2008: PV80/PV8
2007: PV70
And yeah, check the manufacturing date. ;)
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Huh? What about the following reference.
2010: X20
2009: X10/C10
2008: PV80/PV8
2007: PV70
And yeah, check the manufacturing date. ;)
Medyo OT. sir Clondakin, I saw a PY-800 50 inches (im here in riyadh) And its on sale for 4300 SAR (50,000 Pesos), Is it a good buy or i'll go for 50c10 ? :)
Cheers ! :)
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I tried a couple of times but ultimately decided against using a computer with a screen 32" and above. Overkill na for me, and seems like an inefficient use of a large screen. I now just use a 24" screen with my laptop (15" Macbook Pro) set up for 2-screen use.
Plasma TV is really just for watching movies for me; I don't even bother hooking it up to cable and I am not into games. So the 37LD460 to 42X20 upgrade path works just fine for me.
Sir, how do your connect your laptop to a 42 plasma, im using a macbook pro... what are the cables??
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... I saw a PY-800 50 inches (im here in riyadh) And its on sale for 4300 SAR (50,000 Pesos), Is it a good buy or i'll go for 50c10 ? :)
My previous plasma was the PZ800. Yung maganda ang built-in sound system. Is it the same as PY800? Anong ayos ng bezel? The PZ800 had that single glass on top (borderless yata tawag ng ibang makers dun kahit na actually, meron border) while the PZ80 had clear borders (panel is a little bit recessed within the frame like the usual TV design). I mentioned PZ80 kasi baka yun ang equivalent sa PY800 instead na PZ800. Whatever...PY800 ako over C10, X10, X20 kung pareho rin lang ang price and brand new pa. ;)
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My previous plasma was the PZ800. Yung maganda ang built-in sound system. Is it the same as PY800? Anong ayos ng bezel? The PZ800 had that single glass on top (borderless yata tawag ng ibang makers dun kahit na actually, meron border) while the PZ80 had clear borders (panel is a little bit recessed within the frame like the usual TV design). I mentioned PZ80 kasi baka yun ang equivalent sa PY800 instead na PZ800. Whatever...PY800 ako over C10, X10, X20 kung pareho rin lang ang price and brand new pa. ;)
(http://asia.cnet.com/cnet/i/r/2008/tv/43414296/sc001.jpg)
ganyan siya sir :),
TV typePlasma
Diagonal screen size50 inch
Aspect ratio16:9
Additional featuresG11 full-HD plasma panel; V-Real Pro 3 engine; onboard JPEG player; SDHC card slot; 1080p24 input-ready; triple HDMI inputs.
Dimensions (HxWxD)778.9 x 1254 x 95 mm
Weight37 kg
Audio Surround effectsBBE ViVA HD3D Total output power10W x 2
Additional featuresDigital optical audio outputVideo
Video inputS-video, VGA, Composite video, Component video Contrast ratio1000000:1
Additional features1920 x 1080 resolution; Full-HD-ready.
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50PZ80/PZ800/PY800 power consumption
432 kWH per year at 4.5 hours per day. The C10 should consume no more than 250 kWH per year (the 50PV80 was rated at 291 kWH per year).
Compared to 50V20's 198 kWH per year at 4.5 hours per day, ang layo na ng binaba ng power consumption no? Less than half. Take note.
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50PZ80/PZ800/PY800 power consumption
432 kWH per year at 4.5 hours per day. The C10 should consume no more than 250 kWH per year (the 50PV80 was rated at 291 kWH per year).
Compared to 50V20's 198 kWH per year at 4.5 hours per day, ang layo na ng binaba ng power consumption no? Less than half. Take note.
hahahah oo nga sir :), para ka ng namamalantsa sa power consumption ng
50PZ80/PZ800/PY800 . Buti na lng mura kuryente dito sa KSA :).
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(http://asia.cnet.com/cnet/i/r/2008/tv/43414296/sc001.jpg)
ganyan siya sir :),
TV typePlasma
Diagonal screen size50 inch
Aspect ratio16:9
Additional featuresG11 full-HD plasma panel; V-Real Pro 3 engine; onboard JPEG player; SDHC card slot; 1080p24 input-ready; triple HDMI inputs.
Dimensions (HxWxD)778.9 x 1254 x 95 mm
Weight37 kg
Audio Surround effectsBBE ViVA HD3D Total output power10W x 2
Additional featuresDigital optical audio outputVideo
Video inputS-video, VGA, Composite video, Component video Contrast ratio1000000:1
Additional features1920 x 1080 resolution; Full-HD-ready.
Ganyan nga yung contour with that characteristic boat-shaped trim below the screen. The intention was to make it appear na floating DAW yung screen, ayon sa designer ng Panasonic - but I never really got that (artistic) point to be honest even though that fancy trim looked pretty cool indeed..hehehe. I cant see from the picture kung meron borders around the screen to differentiate between the PZ80 and the PZ800. Impossibleng walang HDMI ang PY800 so that must have been omitted sa specs above.
Better consult with Carlo. Im sure he had the PY800. Or perhaps he still has one.
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hahahah oo nga sir :), para ka ng namamalantsa sa power consumption ng
50PZ80/PZ800/PY800 . Buti na lng mura kuryente dito sa KSA :).
Isipin mo nalang na 1.2 kWH per day....so cheaper than a can of soda, and hindi boses Matutina yung TV. ;D
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Isipin mo nalang na 1.2 kWH per day....so cheaper than a can of soda, and hindi boses Matutina yung TV. ;D
Oo nga sir para for daily use, di ko na kailangan naka on iyung HomeTheater System :) So tipid pa rin :)
Hehehe heres a nice find to share about Flat TV Power Ratings :
http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/tv-consumption-chart/
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Im using xtreamer pro. Kahit 720 or 1080 malinaw na malinaw dito sa tv na to. Since this is a 720 native TV, you can easily just use 720 formats and still enjoy great pq. Most of my downloads aremalso 720p.
thanks sa reply sir.. but since you have 1080p movies, malaki ba difference or noticeable ba difference ng pq when compared to playing a 720p movie sa tv na to?
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Medyo OT. sir Clondakin, I saw a PY-800 50 inches (im here in riyadh) And its on sale for 4300 SAR (50,000 Pesos), Is it a good buy or i'll go for 50c10 ? :)
Cheers ! :)
get it bro. ;D
mura na yan sobra ;)
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Sir, how do your connect your laptop to a 42 plasma, im using a macbook pro... what are the cables??
You'd need to get the adapter cable, either Mini Digital port to HDMI or the Mini DP to VGA, from the PowerMac store. Pretty expensive at 1.4K or 1.2K respectively; there are no unlicensed brands (looked everywhere, kahit CDRKing wala). I would suggest the Mini-DP to VGA so that you can also connect your macbook to other stuff like LCD projectors and monitors, mas sulit.
However, I think the Macbook Pro's maximum resolution for external monitor is only up 768p. Even on a 24" screen, the 1080p resolution of the monitor magnifies the pixel sizes, so webpages and text look a bit pixellated and blocky close up.
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@miccollo ano setting mo sa xtreamer? 1080p or 720p and 50 or 60hz? I'm still getting blinking white pixels kung 1080 or 720 eh with my 40X20 :(
to sir Carlo... and other gurus...
i encounter a similar problem - when the screen goes totally black, it blinks a bit and seems like there's color bleeding before it goes to the next scene. experienced this using a Sammy HTIB via HDMI.
always like this kapag BLACK of very dim ang scene...
help...
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help guys. just got my X20 last night. ano po un advise nyu picture settings during break in?
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came across this power consumption calculator from panasonic:
http://www.panasonic.com.au/energy-wise/calculator.cfm
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help guys. just got my X20 last night. ano po un advise nyu picture settings during break in?
Just go to Cinema and keep it there for 100 hours.
;)
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came across this power consumption calculator from panasonic:
http://www.panasonic.com.au/energy-wise/calculator.cfm
Very good reference!
Just think of the $ symbol sa kWH cost as Peso and it would give a good estimate of your electric bill. I inputted 10 since my estimate sa Meralco for my level of usage in Pasig is about 10 Pesos per kWH. Aprub ang calculation.
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Very good reference!
Just think of the $ symbol sa kWH cost as Peso and it would give a good estimate of your electric bill. I inputted 10 since my estimate sa Meralco for my level of usage in Pasig is about 10 Pesos per kWH. Aprub ang calculation.
downside nga lang ay wala na yung mga older plasma models dun sa model list
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downside nga lang ay wala na yung mga older plasma models dun sa model list
Basta mas malakas sa kuryente. Hehehe. From 2007-2010, approx. 20% average reduction in power consumption per year. Mas malakas pa konsumo ng popular non full HD models like the PV70/PV80 and even X10 than the top of the line V20 for instance. Significant talaga yung reduction for the 2010 models.
Then if you check out the numbers very carefully, hindi rin talaga malayo ang consumption differences between the X20, U20 and V20..or between the 42 inchers and 50 inchers ng 2010 models.
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Basta mas malakas sa kuryente. Hehehe. From 2007-2010, approx. 20% average reduction in power consumption per year. Mas malakas pa konsumo ng popular non full HD models like the PV70/PV80 and even X10 than the top of the line V20 for instance. Significant talaga yung reduction for the 2010 models.
Then if you check out the numbers very carefully, hindi rin talaga malayo ang consumption differences between the X20, U20 and V20..or between the 42 inchers and 50 inchers ng 2010 models.
bang for the buck talaga itong 42x20! ok na PQ and current price, ok pa sa power consumption! Thank God at naka-avail ako nito hehe
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Do you need an AVR for this?
We live in Pasig area and electricity seems stable naman yata..
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Do you need an AVR for this?
We live in Pasig area and electricity seems stable naman yata..
you can do without an AVR, pero i still use one para may peace of mind (parang di rin yata helpful yung sagot ko hehe)
i just use an AVR from CDRking (the servo-controlled model), mura lang sya (around 1.2k), and it does the job of regulating the voltage around 220V (voltage coming out from our outlets are in the 230V range)
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Pag palpak ang AVR, it would only be an added risk. So make sure it's a good AVR.
If you are confident that your electric power line is clean and stable enough, then no need for any device between the outlet and the appliance. I also live is Pasig and previously owned 2 identical big TVs; one connected via AVR and another straight to the wall outlet. No difference whatsoever..
Then one day, nagluko ang AVR and keeps on making tick tick tick tick tick tick tick sound...then my wife noticed that such tick tick tick tick was affecting both the TV picture and the sound coming from the HT system. Pina-tanggal ko yung AVR - ayon OK na.
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Thanks for the replies, sirs!
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Living here in Angeles City makes SNS a long shot, glad i found a store here offering this pany,was able to haggle it to 30k cc straight payment bundled it w/ LG HT805(+10k) will be picking it up tom,btw, unit has local pany warranty.Big Thanks to this forum,made tv hunting a lot easier :D
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Then one day, nagluko ang AVR and keeps on making tick tick tick tick tick tick tick sound...then my wife noticed that such tick tick tick tick was affecting both the TV picture and the sound coming from the HT system. Pina-tanggal ko yung AVR - ayon OK na.
Doesn't the ticking mean that the AVR is adjusting for power fluctuation?
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Doesn't the ticking mean that the AVR is adjusting for power fluctuation?
I thought so too, but then my wife told me that the 2nd and 3rd AVRs (identical ones) connected within the outlet/breaker were not ticking which was rather strange considering that was the same circuit...and I dont think it's supposed to be ticking like clock ticking -tuloy tuloy bale. Anyways, after taking out the excessively ticking AVR from the line, the appliances were connected to the outlet for a few hours of testing only. After verying stable operations, then my wife transferred those to the other AVRs - and so far no problem.
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Just got my 42X20 today. Thank you Sir Vic for another pleasant deal with SNS. After the holidays ko pa siya magagamit. Uwi kami nga family sa province for the holidays. Will post pics later. Pero just looking at the humongous box, masayang masaya na ako.
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ano pong resolution ng 42X20 kung naka-extended monitor mode ako sa PC, through HDMI? thanks
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ano pong resolution ng 42X20 kung naka-extended monitor mode ako sa PC, through HDMI? thanks
720p. native resolution is 1024x768.
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I wanted to have this TV but it was too big (or grand) for me to handle :-). Someday I'll have plasma... I guess pag may kasambahay na ako or pag kasya na sa picanto ang plasma. hehe
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The 42X20 has gotten good reviews from this thread and I've ultimately decided to go with this model...where can I get the best deal for this and how much would this set me back?
TIA... ;D
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The 42X20 has gotten good reviews from this thread and I've ultimately decided to go with this model...where can I get the best deal for this and how much would this set me back?
TIA... ;D
nowhere else but Sns :)
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Just curious, I'm planning on buying this unit probably next week. I just find the drop in price too good to be true. =D Could it be that the manufacturers found defect(s) on this model hence the new price scheme? just asking. =)
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i think it is not about anything defective but rather to keep stocks moving so that new inventories (hence new models) can be phased in.
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Just curious, I'm planning on buying this unit probably next week. I just find the drop in price too good to be true. =D Could it be that the manufacturers found defect(s) on this model hence the new price scheme? just asking. =)
buy na! sulit sa mga hidef movies! enjoying this toy very much!!!
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Just curious, I'm planning on buying this unit probably next week. I just find the drop in price too good to be true. =D Could it be that the manufacturers found defect(s) on this model hence the new price scheme? just asking. =)
Most buyers want 1080p native rez. A TV with a lower native rez will naturally be harder to sell.
Why buy a 720p TV? (Hint: standard def DVD performance ... ;))
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buy na! sulit sa mga hidef movies! enjoying this toy very much!!!
+1
just got mine two days ago. set it up this morning, and stayed up all day watching movies :D (kahit may pasok tonight!) hahaha
...and Happy New Year, guys! =)
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Just got mine today at sns...very tempting price! Will set it up tomorrow...
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buy na! sulit sa mga hidef movies! enjoying this toy very much!!!
hahaha.. thanks for the tip dennis. ;)
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Most buyers want 1080p native rez. A TV with a lower native rez will naturally be harder to sell.
Why buy a 720p TV? (Hint: standard def DVD performance ... ;))
Hi Attorny! I had been a plasma supporter ever since. And with the current price drop, I find it hard pass by. ;) My other choice is the LG LD460 because of its features (like the built in player) and the full HD resolution. But with the LCD backlight bleeding issues and the plasma's more natural colors, I think I'll stick with the pana x20. =D
Btw, what tv do you have right now?
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Follow up question...
S&S is selling TH-P42S10 for P35K (FULL HDTV), with price not being an issue. Which model do you think is better? Im contemplating between the two.
I will use the unit basically for movies (DVD), downloads (HD and not) and cable viewing.
TIA
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Hi Attorny! I had been a plasma supporter ever since. And with the current price drop, I find it hard pass by. ;) My other choice is the LG LD460 because of its features (like the built in player) and the full HD resolution. But with the LCD backlight bleeding issues and the plasma's more natural colors, I think I'll stick with the pana x20. =D
Btw, what tv do you have right now?
Panny 50C10 plasma. It's a 1366 x768 panel.
LCD is very good nowadays, malaki na talaga ang improvement. But if you need a TV for movie viewing in a dark room, plasma is still top dog.
Follow up question...
S&S is selling TH-P42S10 for P35K (FULL HDTV), with price not being an issue. Which model do you think is better? Im contemplating between the two.
I will use the unit basically for movies (DVD), downloads (HD and not) and cable viewing.
TIA
Between 42X20 and 42S10? 42X20 is better.
The S10 series is probably the worst plasma by Panny. That's because standard DVD performance on the S10 is terrible.
Blu-ray performance on an S10 is good, but that's expected. How hard can it be to display a 1920 x 1080p video source on a 1920 x 1080p panel? Pag pumalapak pa siya doon, engots na talaga siya ... ;)
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How about the x10? I heard naka sale sya. Is it at par with the x20?
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So mahina lang din pala ang power consumption ng plasma (as compared to lcd) basta nasa tama ang settings like Cinema and Eco mode ba yun?
Tama po ba?
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So mahina lang din pala ang power consumption ng plasma (as compared to lcd) basta nasa tama ang settings like Cinema and Eco mode ba yun?
Tama po ba?
ehem ehem
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How about the x10? I heard naka sale sya. Is it at par with the x20?
I'm not sure. Only Carlo777 ("the man" ;)) can reliably confirm this.
But I think X20 is the 2010 version of the X10 of 2009. Both are HD-Ready. For SD material, both perform better than the low-end Full-HD Panny plasmas.
So mahina lang din pala ang power consumption ng plasma (as compared to lcd) basta nasa tama ang settings like Cinema and Eco mode ba yun?
Tama po ba?
Mas malakas pa rin ang plasma consumption. Pero irrelevant naman sa akin ang power consumption kasi magkaiba ang performance nila.
Papansinin ko lang ang power consumption difference kung pareho ang performance ng plasma and LCD for movies in a dark room.
Para silang nag compare ng electric fan vs aircon. Mas magaling daw ang electric fan kasi lower power consumption; walang kuwenta aircon kasi malakas sa kuryente.
Kung ganon, e di pamaypay pala ang pinakamagaling ... :D
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@barrister
Thanks Tsip! Installed na ba yung receiver natin?
@chris_santo
The X10 is not a reflective TV and that's just about it's only advantage over the X20. I haven't really been happy with the 2009 Panny plasma models like the X10 and the S10, the C10, however, is a GREAT unit ;)
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Yes, installed na bosing.
Good sound, good power. Easy to set up, easy to use.
Lossless sound was a bit underwhelming, sound quality is almost the same as the legacy DD & DTS formats.
I'm sure there's some improvement somewhere with lossless sound. Maybe the dialog and other mid-frequency sounds seem a bit bigger and fuller. I still have to test further to hear that impoved ambience they're talking about.
But the difference is definitely not obvious. You'll have to concentrate to hear a diffference. So for those who don't have lossless sound yet, don't worry about it. They're really not such a big deal.
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has anyone experienced having a horizontal hairline appearing in 42x20 while watching a movie from a media player? i have experienced it from my two week old 42x20 and noticed it after 3 hours.
thanks,
pg_x13x
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Yes, installed na bosing.
Good sound, good power. Easy to set up, easy to use.
Lossless sound was a bit underwhelming, sound quality is almost the same as the legacy DD & DTS formats.
I'm sure there's some improvement somewhere with lossless sound. Maybe the dialog and other mid-frequency sounds seem a bit bigger and fuller. I still have to test further to hear that impoved ambience they're talking about.
But the difference is definitely not obvious. You'll have to concentrate to hear a diffference. So for those who don't have lossless sound yet, don't worry about it. They're really not such a big deal.
same observation din during the shootout (digital vs hd) made in streetsmarts HT.
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The S10 series is probably the worst plasma by Panny. That's because standard DVD performance on the S10 is terrible.
Blu-ray performance on an S10 is good, but that's expected. How hard can it be to display a 1920 x 1080p video source on a 1920 x 1080p panel? Pag pumalapak pa siya doon, engots na talaga siya ... ;)
Using a DVD player with a good scaler helps the S10 tremendously when playing back DVDs. I immediately saw a difference between the PQ of my Pioneer DVDP and my Cambridge Audio DVDP.
Its internal scaler doesn't seem to be very good, so feeding it straight SD isn't such a good idea. However, poor scaler or not, SkyCable's compression level on SD is bad enough that it doesn't seem to matter a lot for me anymore (not to mention that their HD box also scales SD quite poorly). The HD signal is good though; not quite BD quality, but still very good.
I have not compared it to the X20 side by side, but I would gravitate towards the S10 if given the choice. 164% greater pixel count is quite visible for me, while the 95% greater color palette may help in the future (in case we start getting deep color material). I heard the X20 is more reflective than the '09 models as well.
Don't get me wrong, I think the X20 is a very fine purchase (especially at the current selling price). However, since price is out of the equation, I think the S10 also has strong merits going for it.
Cheers and Happy New Year! :)
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tanong lang, when i switch to AV mode ( Xtreamer thru HDMI ) bakit 576i ang naka display s TV?
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tanong lang, when i switch to AV mode ( Xtreamer thru HDMI ) bakit 576i ang naka display s TV?
baka resolution yan ng GUI ng xtreamer mo. ganyan din ba pag nanunuod kana ng movies?
try asking sa xtreamer thread.
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has anyone experienced having a horizontal hairline appearing in 42x20 while watching a movie from a media player? i have experienced it from my two week old 42x20 and noticed it after 3 hours.
thanks,
pg_x13x
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ehem ehem
may ubo ka pa din Brader ;D ;D ;D
Mas malakas pa rin ang plasma consumption. Pero irrelevant naman sa akin ang power consumption kasi magkaiba ang performance nila.
Papansinin ko lang ang power consumption difference kung pareho ang performance ng plasma and LCD for movies in a dark room.
Para silang nag compare ng electric fan vs aircon. Mas magaling daw ang electric fan kasi lower power consumption; walang kuwenta aircon kasi malakas sa kuryente.
Kung ganon, e di pamaypay pala ang pinakamagaling ... :D
So performer talaga yun plasma, pero gaano kalakas yun mas malakas? Double po ba o hindi naman? Siyempre you pay for the performance pero I just wanted to have a first hand reaction from plasma users like you.
TIA!
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So performer talaga yun plasma, pero gaano kalakas yun mas malakas? Double po ba o hindi naman? Siyempre you pay for the performance pero I just wanted to have a first hand reaction from plasma users like you.
TIA!
bro im using 50x20 rated @ 280 watts.
normal viewing average 70 (dark scene) - 140 (very bright scene) watts
all white screen 180 watts (never got a 190 watts reading
measurements done via omni wattmeter :D
hth bro
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bro im using 50x20 rated @ 280 watts.
normal viewing average 70 (dark scene) - 140 (very bright scene) watts
all white screen 180 watts (never got a 190 watts reading
measurements done via omni wattmeter :D
hth bro
very helpful brader!!! ;D
that's it then... thanks! ;)
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bro im using 50x20 rated @ 280 watts.
normal viewing average 70 (dark scene) - 140 (very bright scene) watts
all white screen 180 watts (never got a 190 watts reading
measurements done via omni wattmeter :D
hth bro
Ang tipid nga ng X20 ah. That's a significant reduction over the S10 and the C10.
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Ang tipid nga ng X20 ah. That's a significant reduction over the S10 and the C10.
alam ko kasi madalas pag 720p ang unit mas mababa sa kuryente.
talaga bro? i mean gaano ba kataas ang consumption ng c10 and s10?
sabagay yung luma kong 42PV80 rated @ 330 watts or 280 watts yata, pero 42" yun and 50" naman itong gamit ko ngayon ;D ;D
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alam ko kasi madalas pag 720p ang unit mas mababa sa kuryente.
talaga bro? i mean gaano ba kataas ang consumption ng c10 and s10?
sabagay yung luma kong 42PV80 rated @ 330 watts or 280 watts yata, pero 42" yun and 50" naman itong gamit ko ngayon ;D ;D
Of course, depende rin sa brightness and contrast levels. I run lower brightness levels than a properly calibrated screen, because I'm sensitive to glare. The 50S10 is rated at 430 watts, while the 50C10 is rated at 385 watts.
For my normal viewing, the S10 is typically hovers between 170 and 300 watts for typical TV viewing (momentary drops to as low as 120w and as high as 350w in some scenes), and about 290-360 watts for PC use (Windows 7 desktop / web browser). The C10 is around 140-250 watts for TV viewing (momentary drops to below 100w and above 300w in some scenes), and about 260-310 watts for PC use. Black screen for the C10 is 60 watts, while black screen for the S10 is about 80 watts. I have not tried a white screen though (which should result in a high number).
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thanks Stagea
malaki pala talaga ang difference :D
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standby mode :D
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came across this power consumption calculator from panasonic:
http://www.panasonic.com.au/energy-wise/calculator.cfm
This calculator is fairly consistent with the figures published by Panasonic Japan.
Matipid ang 2010 Panasonic Plasma models.
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anu po suggested picture settings (calibrated settings) ng 42x20?
for movies and tv viewing po,
TIA
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ok lang po ba na may horizontal black bars pag nanunood ng movie?
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ok lang po ba na may horizontal black bars pag nanunood ng movie?
been doing that and wala naman problems. you may get a very mild image retention from the bars but they go away.
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been doing that and wala naman problems. you may get a very mild image retention from the bars but they go away.
thanks,
and npansin ko din po na meron slight double image, kasi po nka- connect sha sa laptop thru vga lang,
pro pag nag view ako ng pic sa sd slot wala nmn po double image, bka dahil low class lng ung vga cable(silver plated) na nabili ko kya nag dodouble image?
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anu po suggested picture settings (calibrated settings) ng 42x20?
for movies and tv viewing po,
TIA
It's really a matter of personal preference and location/light set-up. When you're viewing something, the color and intensity of the background lighting in the room actually interacts with the colors on screen, which affects your appreciation of PQ. It's kind of like optical illusions: the interaction of foreground and background images can play tricks with the eye.
I got mine set in Cinema mode, color temp set to Warm, reduced the brightness and contrast by 5 ticks each, increased sharpness to 65, and set Noise Reduction at minimum. We use it mostly at night, with the room darkened with only a warm 40W bulb in a lampshade on behind us. The TV is about 9 feet away from our couch. So it's the best setting for me (to the constant irritation of my mother-in-law ;D ).
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do not let IR affect your viewing pleasure. ;)
for your peace of mind, i just noticed that the panasonic 50x20 im using has an orbiter feature.
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been a plasma user for more than 2 years na...i like it than regular lcd
can't wait to get my hands on the 50x20 on sale.....sa friday ko na makukuha :)
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been a plasma user for more than 2 years na...i like it than regular lcd
can't wait to get my hands on the 50x20 on sale.....sa friday ko na makukuha :)
ang swerte nyo nga sobrang pamigay ang presyo ngayon :D
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do not let IR affect your viewing pleasure. ;)
for your peace of mind, i just noticed that the panasonic 50x20 im using has an orbiter feature.
Hi Sir, just curious, how were you able to find out about that pixel orbiter on the 50x20?
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Hi Sir, just curious, how were you able to find out about that pixel orbiter on the 50x20?
i noticed it when i was running audyssey calibration. i was staring at the screen for no reason ;D
then i saw the "borderline" switched pixel. so i observed it for a while, then it moved again. :)
pretty much identical with my previous LG plasma's orbiter feature.
try mo with yours, display a static image with lines. ;)
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Guys is it okay to watch here at 42x20 if not in full screen mode. I have some dvd movies kasi na hindi pwede ma full screen without zooming in. ayaw ko kasi i zoom lumalabo yun quality. Is it okay to watch with black bars at top and bottom of the screen? masisira ba yun plasma ko?
According from the staff from listening in style ok lang naman daw yun, neo plasma na daw kasi yun panel ng mga 2010 model na plasma. Is it true? i just want to make sure para safe yun tv ko thanks.
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Has anybody posted professionally calibrated settings for the 42X20?
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Finally had my 42X20 installed last Thursday by Jr from SnS. Sir Vic's crew were very professional. They worked fast, considering that it was almost 9:00 pm when they got to our house in Las Pinas. It took them less than 15 minutes to wall mount the TV.
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu310/josephtunacao/computer/Panasonic%20Plasma%2042X20/AJ012.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu310/josephtunacao/computer/Panasonic%20Plasma%2042X20/AJ018.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu310/josephtunacao/computer/Panasonic%20Plasma%2042X20/AJ019.jpg)
Thank you again sir for the TV. More power to you and your company!
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(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu310/josephtunacao/computer/Panasonic%20Plasma%2042X20/AJ024.jpg)
Watching Avatar on the 42X20, couldn't up the settings on the TV yet because I was advised to "break in" the plasma for at least 200 hours to protect the screen.
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu310/josephtunacao/computer/Panasonic%20Plasma%2042X20/AJ027.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu310/josephtunacao/computer/Panasonic%20Plasma%2042X20/AJ028.jpg)
My daughter enjoying the Smashing Pumpkins "1979" on the 42X20.
All in all, great looking TV at a jaw droppingly low price.
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wow congrats sir otep! 8)
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@otep72
Nice TV!
You don't need to break it in for 200 hours, 100 hours is more than good enough.
Just keep your settings at vanilla "cinema" during that period and you'd be ok.
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@Carlo777
Thank you for the advice sir. Kayo po ang dahilan kung bakit ko binili itong TV na ito. I have been readinga all of your posts from the very start. Kumbaga ikaw ang "Leo Laporte" ko ng TVs. :D
Master and guru rolled into one. Looking forward to more of your reviews sir. Me iba pa kasing parts of the house na kailangang lagyan ng TV. ;D
Syempre from SnS lang lahat ang pagkukuhaan ko. ;)
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very nice reviews!planning to get one! Do you guys think there will be a more bigger price drop in the next 2-3 months? :)
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@otep72
Nice TV!
You don't need to break it in for 200 hours, 100 hours is more than good enough.
Just keep your settings at vanilla "cinema" during that period and you'd be ok.
i have been on this setting since my purchase, almost 2 weeks, medyo tiis mode, i think am almost done
with a hundred, any recommendations after, or can i go on with a setting of my choice, salamat!
@Carlo777
Thank you for the advice sir. Kayo po ang dahilan kung bakit ko binili itong TV na ito. I have been readinga all of your posts from the very start. Kumbaga ikaw ang "Leo Laporte" ko ng TVs. :D
Master and guru rolled into one. Looking forward to more of your reviews sir. Me iba pa kasing parts of the house na kailangang lagyan ng TV. ;D
Syempre from SnS lang lahat ang pagkukuhaan ko. ;)
+ 1 agree
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@rjs898
per carlo, you can go for almost any setting you'd prefer...since you're done with the break-in. just keep away daw from "dynamic", which is way too bright and brings out very inaccurate colors for pictures.
@otep72
cute kid! pa kiss nga sa baby :) also, the guys who did the install are well known here around our house.
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@rjs898
per carlo, you can go for almost any setting you'd prefer...since you're done with the break-in. just keep away daw from "dynamic", which is way too bright and brings out very inaccurate colors for pictures.
share ko lng po ^_^
ako nmn maam ung dynamic ung nagustuhan ko, pra kasing comic book style ung movie pag naka set sa dynamic, hehe, example na scene: ung sa avatar ung 1st night nya sa jungle then close up dun sa aso n my anim na paa , grabe @ pati rin ung parang ashfall scene pag gising ni jake, ganda pag nka dynamic. :D
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very nice reviews!planning to get one! Do you guys think there will be a more bigger price drop in the next 2-3 months? :)
The price is already a steal IMO..... Answering your question, its either there will be another price drop or this will be phase out and a new model will be coming in.... of course with a higher price
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meron bang control para malaman ang consumption/hours of use sa x20?
like many converts here, i'm also in the process of breaking in my new x20. buti nakita ko tong thread, i've been using dynamic mode all this time. yikes!
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@rjs898
per carlo, you can go for almost any setting you'd prefer...since you're done with the break-in. just keep away daw from "dynamic", which is way too bright and brings out very inaccurate colors for pictures.
thank you madame comitatus, just one more question i have to ask, when watching cable, i can see some horizontal lines> hindi pansin unless pansinin ko talaga, but still, some channels, i just can't help but notice them, is this normal for a plasma? or with our cable provider? just wondering, baka may problema din kasi yung mismong tv. it's my first flat, so not really familiar with it yet, thanks in advance.
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thank you madame comitatus, just one more question i have to ask, when watching cable, i can see some horizontal lines> hindi pansin unless pansinin ko talaga, but still, some channels, i just can't help but notice them, is this normal for a plasma? or with our cable provider? just wondering, baka may problema din kasi yung mismong tv. it's my first flat, so not really familiar with it yet, thanks in advance.
how about other channels, or when watching dvd or bluray?
meron talagang cable feed na pangit or mahina. especially if it's analog. dami naka-tap minsan. :D.
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thank you madame comitatus, just one more question i have to ask, when watching cable, i can see some horizontal lines> hindi pansin unless pansinin ko talaga, but still, some channels, i just can't help but notice them, is this normal for a plasma? or with our cable provider? just wondering, baka may problema din kasi yung mismong tv. it's my first flat, so not really familiar with it yet, thanks in advance.
I suspect its the cable signal. Maybe the lines is noticeable now because you have a bigger screen?
Solution? go Cignal! hehehe. may mga HD channels sya.
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@ninjababez
@bachwitz
yes, i guess it's the cable signal, upon playing dvd and checking closely, malinins> blu ray, haven't even seen one yet, hahaha! maybe in the near future. . . will also check rates of cignal, you recommended, thank you, truly appreciate everyone's assistance here in this community.
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meron bang control para malaman ang consumption/hours of use sa x20?
like many converts here, i'm also in the process of breaking in my new x20. buti nakita ko tong thread, i've been using dynamic mode all this time. yikes!
After 100 hours you could go back to Dynamic, and if you want to go back to that picture mode after the break-in just set your contrast to 70-78, brightness to 48, color to 45. Better for the eyes ;)
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mga sir paadvice lang po. anong mas ok, yung 40x20 or samsung na 40c530? pc muna movie player ko thru hdmi (1080p capable yung video card).. need your advice mga sir, especially kung sinong mas maganda pq. bili na sana ko samsung until i read this thread, parang gusto ko na mag 40x20. im more particular with the quality since d naman ganun kalaki price gap. thanks in advance mga bossing :) :) :)
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I was in the same situation, but 1 year ago pa - should I buy another LCD or a Plasma. Since at that time, my primary use (for the new set, since it was for the living room) was just for cable TV viewing (80%) and DVD viewing, I settled for plasma (I got the Panasonic 42C10). In your case, since your source will be PC, I think LCD will be beter for you, as LCDs cope better with digital sources, plus the fact that for the price, you can already get full 1080p LCD, while the X20 is still "just" HD ready. We use our LCDs at home for digital sources, and when we want to watch bright, for some movies. Also, this year's crop of LCD has or "will come close" to plasma in terms of picture quality (like an asymptote, "will come close", but for us, plasma fans, will never be par in terms of delivering true cinematic quality rendition of image and no "viewer fatigue").
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If you're using the PC as media player for watching movies, a Plasma is perfectly fine.
There was a thread last week about a member seeing some ghostings with his laptop connected to the X20 via VGA and set to overscan. Naintriga ako so I connected my wife's Toshiba laptop to the 50V2 Plasma via HDMI. The resolution setting maxes at 1365x768 and I still couldnt find a way to force 1920x1080 via HDMI connection - maybe possible if I used a VGA connection but anyways, I watched a full BD rip using TMT3, then high bit 1080p using KMP...ang ganda ng PQ..grabe sa ganda ang PQ. Baka nga mas maganda pa (mas makulay) compared to the standalone A200 but I didnt bother to compare. On-board Intel Graphics palang yon. Paano na kung desktop with badass ATI card.
But if you are going to use the Plasma for regular computing, ibang usapan yon. Pero ang ganda rin ng PinoyDVD sa V20 set at 1365x768 - ang lambing sa mata ng kulay. Kaso IR.
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mga sir paadvice lang po. anong mas ok, yung 40x20 or samsung na 40c530? pc muna movie player ko thru hdmi (1080p capable yung video card).. need your advice mga sir, especially kung sinong mas maganda pq. ...
Nasa 42x20 thread tayo, so alam mo na siguro ang magiging sagot ... ;)
Depende talaga sa user yan. Noong bagong uso pa lang ang LCD, I was one of the few who were saying na mas maganda ang plasma. Pero mas marami pa ring pdvd members ang nagagandahan sa LCD, even if at the time, malayo ang kapangitan ng LCD sa plasma :D
Ironic nga. Ngayon na malapit na ang picture quality ng LCD sa plasma, ngayon pa dumarami ang nakakapansin na mas maganda pala ang plasma.
Eto ang masasabi ko: Kung Panny 42x20, mas maganda ang picture quality for movies in a dark room.
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@c_lee89
Barrister, gave a very good point. The line between plasma and LCD are not as far apart as they were last 2007/08. That said, based on your choices, the X20 is better off for movies specially in a dark room environment. The Sammy in-question may be better, if used in a bright room setting. However, I still find the Series 5 of Samsung, way too bright to point that colors are kinda off and may pale out.
If Samsung is the choice over plasma, make sure it's the 6 series, but I think the price difference is far apart already.
The only time I'd pick the C530 over this plasma, is when digital games and heavy computing is a major hard on.
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mga sir, salamat sa mga replies nyo. sa pana na ko :) ndi ko naman sya gagamitin as primary dsiplay ng pc, desktop extension lang for movies. kase 23 na rin naman monitor ko. comcern ko lang talaga kung anong mas maganda ang pq sa dalawang tv. question po ulit, 42x20v kase yung binebenta d2 sa laoag at 35k. v ba talaga last letter nya? dko lang pala natanong kung may warranty yung d2. so malamang kay sir vic ako bibili, 29,500 tapos 2k additional para sa freight d2. may mas mura pa ba? :) sensya na po, daming tanong, la kase talaga akong alam masyado sa mga tv lalo nat wala namang pwdeng mag audition d2 ng side by side. tia mga sir
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... question po ulit, 42x20v kase yung binebenta d2 sa laoag at 35k. v ba talaga last letter nya?
Iba-iba sir ang last letter. Country code yan.
Ang "V" ay Vietnam: http://panasonic.com.vn/en/pid/9053 (http://panasonic.com.vn/en/pid/9053)
Walang country code for the Philippines, ganung kahina siguro ang benta dito ... :D
Ang usual country code carried by Panasonic Philippines is "S" (Singapore): http://www.panasonic.com.sg/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/vieraplasmatv/xseries/vierathp42x20s
Pareho lang yon, although may konting differences sa tuners kung minsan.
Wala naman yatang problema sa voltages for Asian models, kasi multi-volt ang mga Asian models.
But just in case, check compatibility with Philippine voltage: 220 volts, 60 Hz: http://www.kropla.com/electric2.htm
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After 100 hours you could go back to Dynamic, and if you want to go back to that picture mode after the break-in just set your contrast to 70-78, brightness to 48, color to 45. Better for the eyes ;)
Thanks, Carlo! I'm doing as advised. I can't wait to pass that mark. :D
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connect mo muna sa PC.
download and run thisDead Pixel Tester (http://www.dataproductservices.com/dpt).
lagay mo lang sa white for 24 hours.
tapos nito, manuod kana ng may blackbars with no worries ;)
This is what I did. But I was not able to complete 24 hours. What I notice is that IR does not easily occur after completing this procedure. And if did, it easily disappears.
The reason I chose plasma is mainly because of the maturity of the technology, its closeness to the PQ of a CRT and price-value ratio.
But I had to admit LCD is slowly closing-in the quality of plasma, especially those LED backlighted ones. I saw an LCD unit I really like in S&S when I bought my x20, its a toshiba (forgot the model). But the price is too much for me. :P
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Iba-iba sir ang last letter. Country code yan.
Ang "V" ay Vietnam: http://panasonic.com.vn/en/pid/9053 (http://panasonic.com.vn/en/pid/9053)
Walang country code for the Philippines, ganung kahina siguro ang benta dito ... :D
Ang usual country code carried by Panasonic Philippines is "S" (Singapore): http://www.panasonic.com.sg/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/vieraplasmatv/xseries/vierathp42x20s
Pareho lang yon, although may konting differences sa tuners kung minsan.
Wala naman yatang problema sa voltages for Asian models, kasi multi-volt ang mga Asian models.
But just in case, check compatibility with Philippine voltage: 220 volts, 60 Hz: http://www.kropla.com/electric2.htm
thank u sir barrister! :)
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This is what I did. But I was not able to complete 24 hours. What I notice is that IR does not easily occur after completing this procedure. And if did, it easily disappears.
The reason I chose plasma is mainly because of the maturity of the technology, its closeness to the PQ of a CRT and price-value ratio.
But I had to admit LCD is slowly closing-in the quality of plasma, especially those LED backlighted ones. I saw an LCD unit I really like in S&S when I bought my x20, its a toshiba (forgot the model). But the price is too much for me. :P
Congrats!!!!
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thank you madame comitatus, just one more question i have to ask, when watching cable, i can see some horizontal lines> hindi pansin unless pansinin ko talaga, but still, some channels, i just can't help but notice them, is this normal for a plasma? or with our cable provider? just wondering, baka may problema din kasi yung mismong tv. it's my first flat, so not really familiar with it yet, thanks in advance.
i found the culprit, it's my cable and connector, i had to re arrange to find a good signal, but will look for a replacement today, para kahit magalaw, ok lang. also, after adjusting to my preferred settings,& after tiis mode, wow, ngayon ko lang sya na enjoy, with very minor adjustments (still ongoing), colors are very natural! parang i want to go get the 50, mr v meron pa ba? hahaha! thank you folks!
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mga sir, salamat sa mga replies nyo. sa pana na ko :) ndi ko naman sya gagamitin as primary dsiplay ng pc, desktop extension lang for movies. kase 23 na rin naman monitor ko. comcern ko lang talaga kung anong mas maganda ang pq sa dalawang tv.
Tsip walang makakasagot kung alin ang mas maganda sa mata mo unless you see for yourself. Wala ka bang time dumalaw sa Manila in case because you dont have to rush? Hindi ka naman mauubusan ng X20 in case.
But your plan is good. Keep the 23 inch LCD as prime monitor (for regular computing) and then use the real HDTV as secondary (extension or clone it's up to you but in case di mo ginagamit ang secondary, turn it off para hindi mag IR and sayang ang kuryente at init). Kabitan mo na rin ng antenna para magamit ng husto at masulit ang pagbili. Since the X20 is reflective, you cannot sit too near. Well in the first place, you should not sit near a 42 incher.
NO NEED TO BE TOO OC about Plasma protection...hehehe Maluluma lahat yan in 2-5 years and since pababa ng pababa ang presyo ng bago, no need to be too concerned of resale value. I never ever go through any break-in process kasi kahit naman anong gawin mo, it would have IR. And kung type mo ang Dynamic settings, go ahead and enjoy from day 1. ;)
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Tsip walang makakasagot kung alin ang mas maganda sa mata mo unless you see for yourself. Wala ka bang time dumalaw sa Manila in case because you dont have to rush? Hindi ka naman mauubusan ng X20 in case.
walang time sir eh,, kaya nagtanong ako sa inyo.. nakakita na rin naman ako ng c530, 32" nga lang.. pero mahirap pa rin majudge kase d naman side by side sa pana. naiintindihan ko naman mga advices nyo, so ok na rin kahit d ko na ma-audition.. :) btw, i found out last night na 42x20 pala tv ng gf ko sa bahay nila ;D maybe i could try to play hd movie pag wala dad nya, lagi kaseng nasa harap ng tv eh. ;D
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I suspect its the cable signal. Maybe the lines is noticeable now because you have a bigger screen?
Solution? go Cignal! hehehe. may mga HD channels sya.
hi bachwhiz,
i also notice this horizontal lines while wathing movie from my xtreamer. there are times that it appears on the same movie and there are times that it does not appear. Do you think its with the xtreamer or the cables?
thanks,
pg_x13x
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hi bachwhiz,
i also notice this horizontal lines while wathing movie from my xtreamer. there are times that it appears on the same movie and there are times that it does not appear. Do you think its with the xtreamer or the cables?
thanks,
pg_x13x
can be several factors... it could also the movie file you are playing. But if the line its not consistently there, I wouldn't think its the tv. try to do process of elimination. Start with the display cables first.
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Congrats!!!!
thanks! Congrats din sa yo pre.
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Last night I stayed up late to read this entire thread.. Now I have a box of 42x20 in front of me. Thanks to this very comprehensive review and all of your two cents.
Thanks also to SnS for a good deal..
Will unpack tomorrow. Hope to be able to contribute a feedback in the next couple of days.. or months. ;D
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Panny 50C10 plasma. It's a 1366 x768 panel.
LCD is very good nowadays, malaki na talaga ang improvement. But if you need a TV for movie viewing in a dark room, plasma is still top dog.
I tried playing the THX optimizer today. I noticed on the part where you set the brightness setting, this is the portion where you need to see the 'THX' logo. It cant be seen on the X20! Is this the reason you need to watch on a dark room? Does x20 has a low brightness output or is this the same for all plasma models?
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I tried playing the THX optimizer today. I noticed on the part where you set the brightness setting, this is the portion where you need to see the 'THX' logo. It cant be seen on the X20! Is this the reason you need to watch on a dark room? Does x20 has a low brightness output or is this the same for all plasma models?
Kitang-kita naman ang THX logo on my 50C10. I'm sure kitang-kita rin sa 42X20.
Baka may naibang settings sa DVD player, if your DVD player has brightness & contrast adjustments.
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Kitang-kita naman ang THX logo on my 50C10. I'm sure kitang-kita rin sa 42X20.
Baka may naibang settings sa DVD player, if your DVD player has brightness & contrast adjustments.
Ill try it again later. My DVD player is a PIO 620. What is your dvd player? I hope theres no problem on my tv.
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Ill try it again later. My DVD player is a PIO 620. What is your dvd player? I hope theres no problem on my tv.
I mean Pio 610. Yes the dvd is culprit. The standard color settings is dark for plasma (never thought of that). I adjusted brightness to 10 and contrast -5. Everything is working fine now, very happy camper. ;D Color is more vibrant now. Yipee!
BTW, thanks Atty. for the tip. ;)
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Guys!
Was surprised to find out when I went home that somebody in the house changed the "cinema" settings of my X20. Anyone mind posting the settings please? Im still in the breakin mode but almost finished! Hehe.
Thanks!
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I mean Pio 610. Yes the dvd is culprit. The standard color settings is dark for plasma (never thought of that). I adjusted brightness to 10 and contrast -5. Everything is working fine now, very happy camper. ;D Color is more vibrant now. Yipee!
BTW, thanks Atty. for the tip. ;)
Glad to help. Buti na lang tumama yung hula ko ... ;)
... What is your dvd player? ....
Pioneer 420 ang player ko. PQ should be the same as your 610.
Mas maganda pa nga nang konti ang chip ng 610 (MediaTek 1389FE chip). 410 uses MediaTek 1389EXE, which is slightly lower-end.
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Guys!
Was surprised to find out when I went home that somebody in the house changed the "cinema" settings of my X20. Anyone mind posting the settings please? Im still in the breakin mode but almost finished! Hehe.
Thanks!
R E S E T lang po siguro.
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I tried playing the THX optimizer today. I noticed on the part where you set the brightness setting, this is the portion where you need to see the 'THX' logo. It cant be seen on the X20! Is this the reason you need to watch on a dark room? Does x20 has a low brightness output or is this the same for all plasma models?
I tried that before, and eventually ended up re-adjusting the settings from time to time. THX Optimizer is intended to set the TV settings to as close as the original movie's when viewed in the theater and as intended by the Director. So it's not a matter of the x20's setting being low or high, but rather on what the director intended it to be for his film. So settings for one movie (say, Star Wars) may not result in the same calibration for another (e.g. Raiders of the Lost Ark).
Also, consider that early THX Optimizers from older movies may have been calibrated with CRT screens in mind, rather than plasma or LCD. The different ways in which the 3 types of screens create images naturally result in different pre-set brightness/color outputs from the same source material. This is demonstrated by viewing movies on different monitors set to default settings. E.g., if you view the official Star Wars DVD release on a CRT screen, in the battle scenes with the Millennium Falcon after escaping from the Death Star, you can actually see the matte lines around the TIE fighters, but if you view it on a plasma screen you can't see them at all.
Since plasma creates better blacks, this may make you think that the brightness is lower in the first place. And then, newer models are now supposed to be able to create even darker blacks now, or more shades of black than before. So, despite the THX Optimizers I tried, I have ended up with using just the Cinema setting set to Warm and a few ticks here and there for the various color/brightness/sharpness options.
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I tried that before, and eventually ended up re-adjusting the settings from time to time. THX Optimizer is intended to set the TV settings to as close as the original movie's when viewed in the theater and as intended by the Director. So it's not a matter of the x20's setting being low or high, but rather on what the director intended it to be for his film. So settings for one movie (say, Star Wars) may not result in the same calibration for another (e.g. Raiders of the Lost Ark).
Also, consider that early THX Optimizers from older movies may have been calibrated with CRT screens in mind, rather than plasma or LCD. The different ways in which the 3 types of screens create images naturally result in different pre-set brightness/color outputs from the same source material. This is demonstrated by viewing movies on different monitors set to default settings. E.g., if you view the official Star Wars DVD release on a CRT screen, in the battle scenes with the Millennium Falcon after escaping from the Death Star, you can actually see the matte lines around the TIE fighters, but if you view it on a plasma screen you can't see them at all.
Since plasma creates better blacks, this may make you think that the brightness is lower in the first place. And then, newer models are now supposed to be able to create even darker blacks now, or more shades of black than before. So, despite the THX Optimizers I tried, I have ended up with using just the Cinema setting set to Warm and a few ticks here and there for the various color/brightness/sharpness options.
ahhh. thanks for the info. All the time I thought it is a standard for all movies. ;)
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Glad to help. Buti na lang tumama yung hula ko ... ;)
Pioneer 420 ang player ko. PQ should be the same as your 610.
Mas maganda pa nga nang konti ang chip ng 610 (MediaTek 1389FE chip). 410 uses MediaTek 1389EXE, which is slightly lower-end.
Just curious, is the brightness and contrast of your 420 at default or tweaked too? thanks!
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Mali-mali pala yung sabi ko sa mga chips.
Eto ang tama: Your 610 uses MediaTek 1389EXE; my 420 uses MediaTek 1389FE, sabi ni Hakan.
http://www.pioneerfaq.info/english/dv610.php?player=DV-610AV&question=Chip
http://www.pioneerfaq.info/english/dv420.php?player=DV-420V&question=Chip
Sabi nila, mas maganda nang konti ang chip ng 610 (vs. 420).
Just curious, is the brightness and contrast of your 420 at default or tweaked too? thanks!
Brightness and Contrast set to default on my DVD player.
I avoid making video adjustments on the player. Confusing kasi, baka makalimutan ko, hindi pala naka-default ang video settings ng player.
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any of you guys are playing call of duty black ops on this tv? may ghosting ba?
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any of you guys are playing call of duty black ops on this tv? may ghosting ba?
wala naman bro
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Got this plasma tv yesterday at SnS because of your reviews guys! I and my family likes it so much especially my two kids. Thanks to all of you pdvd gurus!! ;)
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Got this plasma tv yesterday at SnS because of your reviews guys! I and my family likes it so much especially my two kids. Thanks to all of you pdvd gurus!! ;)
how much is it now?
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For those using a Pioneer DVD player with the X20 be sure to use "Component" or "Limited RGB" from the video settings of your player. "Full RGB" is almost always used with PC LCD monitors and certain LCD TVs.
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not sure if related, but this is my Panasonic 42AS power consumption:
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/687/plasma2.jpg)
settings:
16:9
dynamic =on
eco = off
display image = windows vista default desktop background
once you activate eco=on, it drops to 110Watts. Same effect in normal, cinema, game. malakas talaga sa power ang dynamic picture setting.
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is the Panasonic 42X20 600hz or 100hz?
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for those who got this unit, can u share what is your viewing distance? Im planning to buy this unit but i have only limited space with a viewing distance of 9.5ft. ok lang ba? TIA.
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for those who got this unit, can u share what is your viewing distance? Im planning to buy this unit but i have only limited space with a viewing distance of 9.5ft. ok lang ba? TIA.
i think i even have less than 9ft., go for it . . . happy ako, enjoying it . . .
if i may also add, my electric bill went down, diff maybe, i turn it off when am in the computer unlike before naka on always(crt), and of course it's cold nowadays, aircon is off at times and if on, hindi hirap, temp is up.
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^^ what about watching SD videos and local channels bro? muknang go na ako dito ;D
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Speaking of a2s, would you guys choose it over the x20?
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not sure if related, but this is my Panasonic 42AS power consumption:
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/687/plasma2.jpg)
settings:
16:9
dynamic =on
eco = off
display image = windows vista default desktop background
once you activate eco=on, it drops to 110Watts. Same effect in normal, cinema, game. malakas talaga sa power ang dynamic picture setting.
sana meron din mag test sa 42X20 :-[ :-[ :-[
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sana meron din mag test sa 42X20 :-[ :-[ :-[
@ artsky, nice post, bro.........
I already did post the power consumption for the Panny TH-P42X20V in the past in other thread.
For those who want to know (using the Voltcraft Plus Logger 3500) here's the reading in Watts and VA based on the store's showroom setting and demo video source:
Dynamic setting: 218 watts (232 VA) maximum
150 watts (160 VA) average
100 watts (106 VA) minimum
Normal setting was very much similar or close to the Dynamic setting.
The readings are dependent on the video source. The brighter the image, the higher the power consumption. The darker the video, the lower the power consumed.
I included the VA reading to help those planning to buy an AVR rated in VA instead of Watts.
And if you intend to buy an AVR, for safety, always go for twice the TV's rating in Watts or VA.
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@ artsky, nice post, bro.........
I already did post the power consumption for the Panny TH-P42X20V in the past in other thread.
For those who want to know (using the Voltcraft Plus Logger 3500) here's the reading in Watts and VA based on the store's showroom setting and demo video source:
Dynamic setting: 218 watts (232 VA) maximum
150 watts (160 VA) average
100 watts (106 VA) minimum
Normal setting was very much similar or close to the Dynamic setting.
The readings are dependent on the video source. The brighter the image, the higher the power consumption. The darker the video, the lower the power consumed.
I included the VA reading to help those planning to buy an AVR rated in VA instead of Watts.
And if you intend to buy an AVR, for safety, always go for twice the TVs rating in Watts or VA.
Thanks a lot! One question though, were the readings with the "eco" mode ON?
Thanks again!
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sir, the readings with ECO = Off.
honestly, never a fan of anything similar to this feature even at the time of the Sony CRT TVs.
PQ is always compromised using this feature.
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So that means the readings will still be lower if the eco mode is ON. Well, for a newbie with HT I don't think I'd notice the less than desirable PQ right away.
Many thanks for the info!
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Right timing yung pagkabenta ko sa LCD. I was supposed to get the plasma (a20) from a seller but we didn't agree sa deal. So I went to shangrila and saw listening's sale. I got the X20 for 27k flat. Finally, my plasma dreams since 2009 are over. C10 pa nun.
All plasma sellers online and malls say these plasma no longer need break in unlike the old models. Well, im not very well affected kasi I already like the color at 50% contrast. My only concern though are black bars. Do I really have to avoid or minimize those for the 1st 100 hours for this particular model?
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Right timing yung pagkabenta ko sa LCD. I was supposed to get the plasma (a20) from a seller but we didn't agree sa deal. So I went to shangrila and saw listening's sale. I got the X20 for 27k flat. Finally, my plasma dreams since 2009 are over. C10 pa nun.
All plasma sellers online and malls say these plasma no longer need break in unlike the old models. Well, im not very well affected kasi I already like the color at 50% contrast. My only concern though are black bars. Do I really have to avoid or minimize those for the 1st 100 hours for this particular model?
Never did that with the C10 or X20, with your settings at 50% you'd be fine.
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Right timing yung pagkabenta ko sa LCD. I was supposed to get the plasma (a20) from a seller but we didn't agree sa deal. So I went to shangrila and saw listening's sale. I got the X20 for 27k flat.
Hi Sir,
Let me just ask. When did you get your unit? Do you know 'til when is Listening in Style's sale for the x20? How's the warranty?
Thank you po!
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Store waranty sya. For pick up daw kapag hindi nagawa sa bahay. Hindi ko na check kung hanggang kelan yung sale pero nakita ko chinese new year sale yung nasa store. Mga 7 panasonic tvs ang naka sale and 7 samsung models. 2 brands lang.
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I wish somebody posts a thorough review of the 50x20 too. ;)
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Honestly, when you get to watch a good film then napakalinaw, you wouldn't mind the bill.. until it arrives hahaha..
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Has anyone experienced overheating problems? Im planning to buy a Panny 42x20, problem is we don't have airconditioner in the room where we plan to put it up. Sobrang init ba ng ineemit na heat?
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Has anyone experienced overheating problems? Im planning to buy a Panny 42x20, problem is we don't have airconditioner in the room where we plan to put it up. Sobrang init ba ng ineemit na heat?
Bearable heat. hindi naman sobrang init.
Using for 5-6 hrs everyday.
No aircon. No issues.
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Honestly, when you get to watch a good film then napakalinaw, you wouldn't mind the bill.. until it arrives hahaha..
But it's all worth it right? ;D
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It's all worth it.
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Just a quickie question : The older plasma Panasonic 42PX500U (The Tv that got me to say "wow plasma!") had about 8 billion colors, the PV70 had 29 billion colors. How many colors do these newer plasma have? I can't seem to find any reference on them.
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But it's all worth it right? ;D
Just got my meralco bill and an additional P200 was padded to my normal amount. I don't think this new gen of plasma consumes a lot of electricity. Considering I started using my receiver again which is rated ~500 watts.
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Has anyone experienced overheating problems? Im planning to buy a Panny 42x20, problem is we don't have airconditioner in the room where we plan to put it up. Sobrang init ba ng ineemit na heat?
The heat would depend on what settings you are in and the kind of video material being played. Expect it to be hot when in the dynamic mode then you are viewing bright pictures especially animated films tapos full screen pa.
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Its just as hot as my previous 32" sharp LCD. There should be no worries on that.
The 2010 panasonic plasmas have increased efficency in heat and power consumption plus their lighter than previous models.
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Just a quickie question : The older plasma Panasonic 42PX500U (The Tv that got me to say "wow plasma!") had about 8 billion colors, the PV70 had 29 billion colors. How many colors do these newer plasma have? I can't seem to find any reference on them.
sir,
the 42x20 has 4096 (12 bits or 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2= 4096) equivalent steps of gradation which is a 12 bit video processor plasma.
this means that each sub pixel (RED or GREEN or BLUE) can make this much color gradation or steps.
therefore, the total number of color combination for a single pixel (RGB)= 4096 (for RED sub pixel) x 4096 (for GREEN sub pixel) x 4096 (for BLUE sub pixel) = 68,719,476,736 colors or 68.7 billion colors.
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sir,
the 42x20 has 4096 (12 bits or 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2= 4096) equivalent steps of gradation which is a 12 bit panel plasma.
this means that each sub pixel (RED or GREEN or BLUE) can make this much color gradation or steps.
therefore, the total number of color combination for a single pixel (RGB)= 4096 (for RED sub pixel) x 4096 (for GREEN sub pixel) x 4096 (for BLUE sub pixel) = 68,719,476,736 colors or 68.7 billion colors.
That's a cool info! Thanks buddy ;)
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That's a cool info! Thanks buddy ;)
So whats the conclusion bro, is this good? ::)
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So whats the conclusion bro, is this good? ::)
What do you mean? The TV has been good. You may check previous pages for feedback/review.
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@jerix
Yes it's good:
Pros:
+Very strong Standard definition performance (Cable&DVD)
+Very good High-Definition performance with movies at 720p (Blu-Ray/NMT)
+Generally accurate colors
+Resistance to I.R is better than higher models such as the V20
+Lower power consumption compared to older plasma models
+Well priced
Cons:
-Very reflective screen
-Green trails evident in high contrast ares and FPS games
-Mild image retention (Temporary)
-Not really a big cut above older plasma models in-terms of picture quality
Conclusion:
Another year, another plasma from Panasonic... The X20 is a very good 720p native panel. And strong in areas that really matter to a viewer, such as accurate colors, and with picture quality that is even better than some of the FULL HD panels out there. However, I'm tired of the near same old, same stuff, Panasonic throws at us at the turn of every calendar.
The X20 is a perfect road to start out for those wishing to journey down the High-Definition bandwagon - Maintaining the strong features that made Panasonic a wonder boy in the race dominated by liquid crystal powered competitors. But offers really nothing new every year to get me truly excited.
Again, if this your 1st High Definition TV, it's a great way to start, but if you already own the older models such as the Panasonic PV70 up to the Panasonic C10...I guess you should look elsewhere for a totally new fix.
Cheers!
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@jerix
Yes it's good:
Pros:
+Very strong Standard definition performance (Cable&DVD)
+Very good High-Definition performance with movies at 720p (Blu-Ray/NMT)
+Generally accurate colors
+Resistance to I.R is better than higher models such as the V20
+Lower power consumption compared to older plasma models
+Well priced
Cons:
-Very reflective screen
-Green trails evident in high contrast ares and FPS games
-Mild image retention (Temporary)
-Not really a big cut above older plasma models in-terms of picture quality
Conclusion:
Another year, another plasma from Panasonic... The X20 is a very good 720p native panel. And strong in areas that really matter to a viewer, such as accurate colors, and with picture quality that is even better than some of the FULL HD panels out there. However, I'm tired of the near same old, same stuff, Panasonic throws at us at the turn of every calendar.
The X20 is a perfect road to start out for those wishing to journey down the High-Definition bandwagon - Maintaining the strong features that made Panasonic a wonder boy in the race dominated by liquid crystal powered competitors. But offers really nothing new every year to get me truly excited.
Again, if this your 1st High Definition TV, it's a great way to start, but if you already own the older models such as the Panasonic PV70 up to the Panasonic C10...I guess you should look elsewhere for a totally new fix.
Cheers!
Nice review bro carlo777!! actually m presently considering this 720p 50x20 and the 1080p 46U20. My viewing distance is about 8-10 ft. I would be happy to read some reviews of the latter too. Some friends would like to choose the 46U20 for peace of mind "daw" kasi at least 1080 na yan. That is why i really would like to read reviews on the 46U20 too. So what is your take on the 46U20 bro?
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@jerix
Hard to tell or appreciate the difference between 720p and 1080p at your projected viewing distance.
The only reason/s I'd go for the U20 over the X20 are:
-I'd play a lot of 1080p native video games
-I'll be using the Panel as a computer monitor
Those things said, the U20 is in itself, a fine LCD panel with colors that are better than most Samsung or LG models. My only gripe with the U20 (same gripe with previous Panasonic LCDs like the LX/LZ80) is it's somewhat grainy picture definition compared to the likes of the X20.
It's also best to contrast these models for yourself as you may prefer the more bright and the more dynamic picture of LCD over the more laid back picture of plasma.
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@jerix
Hard to tell or appreciate the difference between 720p and 1080p at your projected viewing distance.
The only reason/s I'd go for the U20 over the X20 are:
-I'd play a lot of 1080p native video games
-I'll be using the Panel as a computer monitor
Those things said, the U20 is in itself, a fine LCD panel with colors that are better than most Samsung or LG models. My only gripe with the U20 (same gripe with previous Panasonic LCDs like the LX/LZ80) is it's somewhat grainy picture definition compared to the likes of the X20.
It's also best to contrast these models for yourself as you may prefer the more bright and the more dynamic picture of LCD over the more laid back picture of plasma.
a ok -- i think m now convinced... ;D
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To see is to believe. I'm sure you'll thank pinoydvd people like carlo that you took the plasma route instead.
Even in the cyber videophile world (AVSforum, mpworld, etc.), most have pretty much the same set of eyes when it comes to plasma vs lcd. Just don't look at regular tech forums though..hehe.
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To see is to believe. I'm sure you'll thank pinoydvd people like carlo that you took the plasma route instead.
Even in the cyber videophile world (AVSforum, mpworld, etc.), most have pretty much the same set of eyes when it comes to plasma vs lcd. Just don't look at regular tech forums though..hehe.
Yes -- this is the only remaining thing to do, to see it personally ;)
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You dont need to make your room totally dark on a plasma. Generally, 150 lux can give you optimum image quality already. Special case lang talaga yung V20 na kahit 1000 lux ay maganda pa rin. Hehehe.
1) The 42x20 is 29K. So how much would the 42V20 cost now?
2) Any cost estimate on the new 42S30 ? (US MSRP is quoted as $799.95 and a retail price of $678.70)
http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Panasonic_TC_42_plasma_TV/TCP42S30/11294349/
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1) The 42x20 is 29K. So how much would the 42V20 cost now?
2) Any cost estimate on the new 42S30 ?
The 42V20V we have checked yesterday at SNS is 57-58k. konti na lang you cn buy 2 42X20 for the price of a v20.. My friend got the 50V20 instead. Yummy, ;D hirap talaga pag me budget, nainggit ako sa kanya:D, +A210 P/H. nice :).
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i carried along my BR Avatar this morning to check the 50x, 50U and the Pana 55 3d TVs in SM. All 3 TVs are lined in a row and in HDMI connection too. I stood about 7ft in front of the 55 3d TV, being on the center, on the left was the 50x and the 50U on the right side. Several other smaller pana TVs are lined above these 3 TVs, all hooked in one Pana BR player. I just dont know how they made the connection all in HDMI.
It took time to play the disc the player and the BR player had a hard time reading it. While the player was reading the disc, the screen of the TVs were all in vivid black, though the black level of the smaller TVs appeared to be darker. With the initial 20th century fox logo on the movie i rolled my eyes on the 3 TVs trying to look for something different or something i dont want to see, particularly on the 50 x which is only on 720p. The picture quality of these 3 TVs were truly excellent. I cant see any pixelations on the 50x even at 4ft of viewing distance. No adjustment were made by the technician during that time, though the salesman admitted that the picture of these TVs were adjusted individually on several occasions. the 50U appeared slightly more colorful but the color of the other TVs can be adjusted too, so i dont take that as a plus factor in favor of the 50U. I stood about 3 ft in all these TVs trying to compare the pixels i see on the 50x, but I failed. If my eyes are the culprit, i dont think i have to worry. At least I find all these TVs equally good.The pana player cannot read R1 DVDs that is why it was regrettable that I was not able to check the performance of these TVs on SDs.
The only thing I dont like was that all along the salesman of the Panasonic does not know that the th-50x20v is a 720p TV. Maybe because he really cant see any difference between all these TVs just like me.
Next week I will go back to test the TVs on how they do on HD files through my NMT. ;D
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Alas, we now finally have a 42X20V :D :D :D
Whole family is very happy with it... :)
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nice review/test, bro.
let's hear from you next week how these plasmas react to non-full hd signal.
for several years now of observing the Panny plasmas ( HD and Full HD) and Panny LCDs (HD and Full HD) side by side with each other, I found out that there are times (depending on the signal or video content) a plasma panel behaves very differently compared to an LCD panel.
in some instances they both got almost the same PQ.
there are times one has a better PQ over the other.
sometimes I stayed over an hour staring at these TVs trying to figure out what's going on inside the circuitry why they behave that way with exactly the same signal.
but over all, the plasma has the edge.
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Alas, we now finally have a 42X20V :D :D :D
Whole family is very happy with it... :)
and a perfect match for your HT.
congrats!
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and a perfect match for your HT.
congrats!
indeed it is, thanks!
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Mga Sir... Can I ask how much the Pana 42x20 costs now at SnS? Planning to get one this week... Thanks everyone...
PS --- Still the happy user of the old time plasma favorite...LG 32PC5R from way back in 2008... time to upgrade to the Pana Plasma already...
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Mga Sir... Can I ask how much the Pana 42x20 costs now at SnS? Planning to get one this week... Thanks everyone...
PS --- Still the happy user of the old time plasma favorite...LG 32PC5R from way back in 2008... time to upgrade to the Pana Plasma already...
Galing ako nung Sat sa SNS, andami pa ring delivery ng 42X20, I think they are selling it for 29k. I got my x20 not from sns. I moved my LG32 plasma sa bedroom. Ok pa din. why not go for the V20? ;D. No regrets sa x20 kahit mahal pa bili ko sa kanya. Using it with a med500.
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sir,
the 42x20 has 4096 (12 bits or 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2= 4096) equivalent steps of gradation which is a 12 bit video processor plasma.
this means that each sub pixel (RED or GREEN or BLUE) can make this much color gradation or steps.
therefore, the total number of color combination for a single pixel (RGB)= 4096 (for RED sub pixel) x 4096 (for GREEN sub pixel) x 4096 (for BLUE sub pixel) = 68,719,476,736 colors or 68.7 billion colors.
to sum it all. it's 36bits depth color
I think philips & sharp LCD has 48bits :D
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to sum it all. it's 36bits depth color
I think philips & sharp LCD has 48bits :D
LG 50PK550 has 48 bits depth color
Samsung plasmas got 54 bits depth color
truly mind boggling compared to the lowly 24 bits and 30 bits of the majority of LCDs.
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@jerix
Yes it's good:
Pros:
+Very strong Standard definition performance (Cable&DVD)
+Very good High-Definition performance with movies at 720p (Blu-Ray/NMT)
+Generally accurate colors
+Resistance to I.R is better than higher models such as the V20
+Lower power consumption compared to older plasma models
+Well priced
Cons:
-Very reflective screen
-Green trails evident in high contrast ares and FPS games
-Mild image retention (Temporary)
-Not really a big cut above older plasma models in-terms of picture quality
Conclusion:
Another year, another plasma from Panasonic... The X20 is a very good 720p native panel. And strong in areas that really matter to a viewer, such as accurate colors, and with picture quality that is even better than some of the FULL HD panels out there. However, I'm tired of the near same old, same stuff, Panasonic throws at us at the turn of every calendar.
The X20 is a perfect road to start out for those wishing to journey down the High-Definition bandwagon - Maintaining the strong features that made Panasonic a wonder boy in the race dominated by liquid crystal powered competitors. But offers really nothing new every year to get me truly excited.
Again, if this your 1st High Definition TV, it's a great way to start, but if you already own the older models such as the Panasonic PV70 up to the Panasonic C10...I guess you should look elsewhere for a totally new fix.
Cheers!
sir, which is better, c10 or x20? I have the 50 inch c10 already. Im happy with it naman but im considering to get a new one. But this time i want a full hd one. Just out of curiosity, which is better c10 or x20?
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Saw 37x20 at Listening in style. Same specs din ba with the 42 inch?
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I think the 37 incher is an LCD.
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I hope, somewhere some how may natitira pang Panny 42S10.. been looking for that panel.
in case anyone of you know where I can get a good deal, please reply and pm me as well..
TIA! :)
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I hope, somewhere some how may natitira pang Panny 42S10.. been looking for that panel.
in case anyone of you know where I can get a good deal, please reply and pm me as well..
TIA! :)
Go to Listening n' style sa Megamall, I was there last week and informed me they have 3 units stock on hand.
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Been using our 42X20 from Feb 12 to Feb 28 with an average of 4 hours a day with no significant increase in our electric bill.
Just updating...
Cheers
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sir, which is better, c10 or x20? I have the 50 inch c10 already. Im happy with it naman but im considering to get a new one. But this time i want a full hd one. Just out of curiosity, which is better c10 or x20?
Nearly the same. The C10 at first, may have an advantage because the X20 does not have a color management option.
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Carlo, do you play classic Ps1 games from PSN on the 42 x20?
Do I have to worry about IR for 4:3 sources?
I know you've probably been asked this question a thousand of times already :D :D
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Carlo, do you play classic Ps1 games from PSN on the 42 x20?
Do I have to worry about IR for 4:3 sources?
I know you've probably been asked this question a thousand of times already :D :D
My wife plays a lot of classic Japanese PS1 games like Super Robot Wars, that I can't darn understand. So far all is fine and dandy!
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My wife plays a lot of classic Japanese PS1 games like Super Robot Wars, that I can't darn understand. So far all is fine and dandy!
Cool! so I probably do not need to worry ;D
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To those who want to have the motionflow/trumotion effect on this TV, do the following:
1. Set your media player / source at 720p@50hz / 1080i@50hz / 1080p@50hz.
2. Go to the TV's menu and select Setup
3. Select Other Settings
4. You will be able to change refresh rate to 100hz for a 'smoother effect'.
Unfortunately for xbox users, if your unit is US/Japan you won't be able to change it because it only supports 60hz for all resolutions.
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To those who want to have the motionflow/trumotion effect on this TV, do the following:
1. Set your media player / source at 720p@50hz / 1080i@50hz / 1080p@50hz.
2. Go to the TV's menu and select Setup
3. Select Other Settings
4. You will be able to change refresh rate to 100hz for a 'smoother effect'.
Sir is this also available on 50x20? I love motionflow/trumotion effect as if you' re watching a live program. And if does, then now it's the right time to buy this babe. Tia
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It shouLd work on 50x20 as well. However its not much to look forward because it actually chops a bit on panning shots like the usual LEDs. If you are planning to get a 50" tv, go ahead and get the x20 as it is a very good model for its price with or without 100hz feature.
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To those who want to have the motionflow/trumotion effect on this TV, do the following:
1. Set your media player / source at 720p@50hz / 1080i@50hz / 1080p@50hz.
2. Go to the TV's menu and select Setup
3. Select Other Settings
4. You will be able to change refresh rate to 100hz for a 'smoother effect'.
Unfortunately for xbox users, if your unit is US/Japan you won't be able to change it because it only supports 60hz for all resolutions.
That's a cool info! Way to go buddy ;)
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Guys may i ask if it is okay to watch movie na may black bars sa gilid using this plasma 42x20?
Im using kaiboer H1055 as media player, wala kasi setting dun na fullscreen nakakainis kaya kadalasan yun movie ko may black bars sa gilid. would that be okay? masisira ba yun x20 ko?
Pahingi naman ng color setting so i can maximize my viewing using this plasma medyo nakukulangan kasi ako sa contrast especially pag cinema mode. Sanay kasi ako sa lcd kaya parang nanibago ako medyo nakukulangan ako sa sharpness and contrast.
Hope you guys can help me. Thanks in advance..
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Guys may i ask if it is okay to watch movie na may black bars sa gilid using this plasma 42x20?
Im using kaiboer H1055 as media player, wala kasi setting dun na fullscreen nakakainis kaya kadalasan yun movie ko may black bars sa gilid. would that be okay? masisira ba yun x20 ko?
Pahingi naman ng color setting so i can maximize my viewing using this plasma medyo nakukulangan kasi ako sa contrast especially pag cinema mode. Sanay kasi ako sa lcd kaya parang nanibago ako medyo nakukulangan ako sa sharpness and contrast.
Hope you guys can help me. Thanks in advance..
I think the setting on the screen size depends on the source your playing, no matter what player your using. In any case, the x20 has screen size settings. If you want it full screen the tv can handle that. But for my case I want to watch a movie on its native resolution/screen size and not stretch.
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I think the setting on the screen size depends on the source your playing, no matter what player your using. In any case, the x20 has screen size settings. If you want it full screen the tv can handle that. But for my case I want to watch a movie on its native resolution/screen size and not stretch.
Would that be okay if i watch movie not in full screen and there's a black bars on the side using this plasma? hindi ba magkakaroon ng image retention? thanks
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Hi..new here. :)
Quick question, anong exact model nung 42X20 na review?
Ito ba: TH-P42X20V (http://"http://panasonic.com.vn/en/pid/9053/Spec") ?
Thanks sa sumagot! :)
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Hi..new here. :)
Quick question, anong exact model nung 42X20 na review?
Ito ba: TH-P42X20V (http://"http://panasonic.com.vn/en/pid/9053/Spec") ?
Thanks sa sumagot! :)
Yes. Indicated din yan sa box. ;D
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I think the setting on the screen size depends on the source your playing, no matter what player your using. In any case, the x20 has screen size settings. If you want it full screen the tv can handle that. But for my case I want to watch a movie on its native resolution/screen size and not stretch.
sir,
di ba nag iiwan ng IR if may black bars? mine's more than the 100hours na naman.
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To those who want to have the motionflow/trumotion effect on this TV, do the following:
1. Set your media player / source at 720p@50hz / 1080i@50hz / 1080p@50hz.
2. Go to the TV's menu and select Setup
3. Select Other Settings
4. You will be able to change refresh rate to 100hz for a 'smoother effect'.
does this option only in x20??? or it will apply on all panasonic plasma ex pv8... s10??? thanks!!!!
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Yes. Indicated din yan sa box. ;D
Thanks CocoBoy. :)
@topic
Meron ba dito users ng 42X20 tapos + KAIBOER H1055+ ??
Balak ko din bumili nun after ng 42X20, first time ko bibili ng magandang TV.
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@topic
Meron ba dito users ng 42X20 tapos + KAIBOER H1055+ ??
Balak ko din bumili nun after ng 42X20, first time ko bibili ng magandang TV.
I'm using Kaiboer H1055, it is the same firmware with H1055 plus the only difference is that plus has a tray for internal hardisk.
The only downside in this media player is that wala siya full screen kaya mamomoblema ka sa black bars.
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I'm using Kaiboer H1055, it is the same firmware with H1055 plus the only difference is that plus has a tray for internal hardisk.
The only downside in this media player is that wala siya full screen kaya mamomoblema ka sa black bars.
Xtreamer actually has zoom capability. Pede na pa vertical lng to remove black bars. Medyo stretched nga lang ng konti yun picture but i think its negligible.
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I'm using Kaiboer H1055, it is the same firmware with H1055 plus the only difference is that plus has a tray for internal hardisk.
The only downside in this media player is that wala siya full screen kaya mamomoblema ka sa black bars.
Anong firmware ng H1055 mo? Sabi kasi dito ni Bluebeard
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,130245.90.html
No more video aspect ratio problems with the new FW ver 20101115. I just pressed the system defaults. and rebooted and voila... no more black spaces on the perimeter screen.
PS: Sorry, OT ba ako? Concerned lang ako kasi bibili kami ng X20 plasma + H1055+
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does this option only in x20??? or it will apply on all panasonic plasma ex pv8... s10??? thanks!!!!
im not sure. I guess try mo nlang to set to 50hz yung source and check the tv.
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Just got my 42X20. I watch cable TV at 4:3 format. The side bars are light grey. May settings ba ito para maging black. My Samsung has black bars. TIA for any info.
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Just got my 42X20. I watch cable TV at 4:3 format. The side bars are light grey. May settings ba ito para maging black. My Samsung has black bars. TIA for any info.
Ako din just got my 42X20! ;D May zoom/aspect ratio button sa remote dude.
Sa upper left ng bilog. Meron pa nga hanggang zoom X3. Naka JUST settings ako ngayon.
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Just got my 42X20. I watch cable TV at 4:3 format. The side bars are light grey. May settings ba ito para maging black. My Samsung has black bars. TIA for any info.
The used of grey color side bars is to prevent your tv from image retention, prolong exposure of your tv with black bars will result to intense image retention which sometimes will take days for the image shadow to disappear.
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why 4:3? pangit ba sa zoom3?
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To those who want to have the motionflow/trumotion effect on this TV, do the following:
1. Set your media player / source at 720p@50hz / 1080i@50hz / 1080p@50hz.
2. Go to the TV's menu and select Setup
3. Select Other Settings
4. You will be able to change refresh rate to 100hz for a 'smoother effect'.
Unfortunately for xbox users, if your unit is US/Japan you won't be able to change it because it only supports 60hz for all resolutions.
its not possible for PS3 as well, unless you have an EU unit.
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its not possible for PS3 as well, unless you have an EU unit.
sir anu po ung EU?
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Hi mga sirs,
Newbie here. I can say this forum really offers great ideas!
I went to SnS yesterday and compared 42x20 plasma with other LCDs and this plasma really rocks! I might purchase this by end of the month. What hometheater would you recommend? LG-HT805PM or Pana SC-PT85? TIA! :)
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sir anu po ung EU?
EU = Europe sir
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Ako din just got my 42X20! ;D May zoom/aspect ratio button sa remote dude.
Sa upper left ng bilog. Meron pa nga hanggang zoom X3. Naka JUST settings ako ngayon.
Yes, I use the zoom function, but I cannot see the SkyCable Digibox info sa bottom of the screen pag naka zoom. Anyway thanks for the info.
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Just got mine yesterday at golden sounds greenhills for 27K :D
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Just got mine yesterday at golden sounds greenhills for 27K :D
oh my ang mura. hows the warranty bro? san sya sa greenhills? baka may # ka paki-pm nalang ;)
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oh my ang mura. hows the warranty bro? san sya sa greenhills? baka may # ka paki-pm nalang ;)
golden sounds Vmall greenhills 3rd flr
1month replacemnt warranty ,1 year warranty parts and service
panasonic 42A20S
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golden sounds Vmall greenhills 3rd flr
1month replacemnt warranty ,1 year warranty parts and service
panasonic 42A20S
may floating black issues ka bang napapansin sa tv mo? yung biglang dilim biglang liwanag ng black. tnx
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@all
i need some advice guys,it seems that 42le5500 willl not be available anymore at kung meron man e ang mamahal na gaya sa sm appliance center.now the question is worth it ba maghintay kung magkakastock pa sa suking tindahan o will this 42x20 will satisfy me?
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may floating black issues ka bang napapansin sa tv mo? yung biglang dilim biglang liwanag ng black. tnx
wala pa naman po sir
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help po mga masters, hows the shadow detail and greyscale tracking sa panel ng model na toh?any idea sa default gamma figures neto?sa may mga TV na ganito, ano meron sa picture control bukod sa brightness and contrast, may gamma settings ba and other stuff? thanks
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help, just bought this tv, super ganda ng PQ nya compare sa ibang LCD tv na katabi nya sa shop that plays the same demo, pagdating sa bahay i hooked it up sa PS3 and played some HD videos that i have (HD Demo Materials). and.... ang pangit ng PQ!!!!... bat ganun? sure black level is black, pero the whole picture is dark, comparing to my sony 32" D series dati, colors are oversaturated in a bad way (washed out kinda thing), fake looking greens, shadow details is lost in dark scenes, even in cinema settings. HELP ano ba magandang settings? share nyo naman settings nyo para ma-try ko, tia!
btw need ko ba mag break-in since bago lang sakin? o ok lang na hindi?
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pa join ako dito mga sir.just got my 42x20.kakadeliver lang hehe
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share ko lang :D medyo happy na ko naayos ko na din yung problem ko above, baka makatulong sa iba.
i own a panasonic 42A2, equivalent sya ng 42x20 100%, out of the box settings nya gives you this pictures:
Note: selecting from this presets not only gives you different pre-adjusted contrast, color, etc that you can adjust yourself, but also color range and black-level that only high-end panasonic plasma has.
Dynamic: (shop settings):bright, vivid unnatural greens and red push, extreme black crush, meaning you will lose a large amount of shadow details sa dark scenes or sa mga black objects like coats and indoor scenes that has low amount of light..
Normal: gives you a more balanced picture with little black crush again, vivid unnatural greens and red push, i think the color gamut in this preset exceeds the color standards agreed upon (exceeding that gamut limit will cause errors in color reproduction) or artificial color recoding is applied (3d color management = on by default?).
Cinema: gives you more natural looking colors and very good amount of shadow details. this is the preset that you should start with and then calibrate to your liking.
Game: almost same as with "Normal" but a little difference in brightness and colors.
i kept the cinema preset settings and adjusted the color from 40-45 and sharpness to 30.
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share ko lang :D medyo happy na ko naayos ko na din yung problem ko above, baka makatulong sa iba.
i own a panasonic 42A2, equivalent sya ng 42x20 100%, out of the box settings nya gives you this pictures:
Note: selecting from this presets not only gives you different pre-adjusted contrast, color, etc that you can adjust yourself, but also color range and black-level that only high-end panasonic plasma has.
Dynamic: (shop settings):bright, vivid unnatural greens and red push, extreme black crush, meaning you will lose a large amount of shadow details sa dark scenes or sa mga black objects like coats and indoor scenes that has low amount of light..
Normal: gives you a more balanced picture with little black crush again, vivid unnatural greens and red push, i think the color gamut in this preset exceeds the color standards agreed upon (exceeding that gamut limit will cause errors in color reproduction) or artificial color recoding is applied (3d color management = on by default?).
Cinema: gives you more natural looking colors and very good amount of shadow details. this is the preset that you should start with and then calibrate to your liking.
Game: almost same as with "Normal" but a little difference in brightness and colors.
i kept the cinema preset settings and adjusted the color from 40-45 and sharpness to 30.
One thing I noticed with this TV is that the defaults are biased to conserve energy (i guess para maka-quote ng mababang average power consumption). Calibrating the panel for maximum usable contrast and proper color reproduction throws away most of the claimed improvements sa power consumption, but it helps the picture quality tremendously.
Older Panny plasmas (and higher models) default to a setting that is biased in favor of PQ (closer to a properly-calibrated panel).
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Just want to ask, how does this unit perform when it comes to TV viewing (analog signal)? Acceptable? Terrible? ???
I am choosing between this and the Toshiba LCD models with signal booster and this could be a deciding factor.
Thanks in advance. :)
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@stagea, ye thats why all presets except dynamic has its contrast set at 50%, increasing the contrast to 80-85% will give that pop in PQ you see in LCD.
dnt you think the colors even in cinema settings a bit oversaturated? mind sharing your picture settings?
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@stagea, ye thats why all presets except dynamic has its contrast set at 50%, increasing the contrast to 80-85% will give that pop in PQ you see in LCD.
dnt you think the colors even in cinema settings a bit oversaturated? mind sharing your picture settings?
Try to set your PS3 or HDMI source to "Limited RGB" and switch deep color to OFF.
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@carlo, limited RGB and deep color off is my default settings on ps3, still the oversaturation of greens in "Normal" settiings and black crushing of blacks is still there, but was solved when switched to "cinema".
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just learned na may 37x20 plasma pala worth 24k, pero nung hinanap ko siya sa website ng panasonic, di naman siya recognized... 42x20 ang pinakamaliit na size...
does it mean hindi na supported ng panasonic ang model na ito? pero nung tinanong ko naman, 1year manufacturer warranty ang offer... ;D
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The 37x20 is probably the LCD version, not plasma. Try checking the model number again, you'll probably see TH-L37X20 - the L indicating it's LCD. Where did you see it for 24k?
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The 37x20 is probably the LCD version, not plasma. Try checking the model number again, you'll probably see TH-L37X20 - the L indicating it's LCD. Where did you see it for 24k?
it is plasma, sir... i even tried googling just "37x20" and see for your self the search results... and yes, i am aware of the product code (L for LCD; P for Plasma); but just to be sure, i've checked and confirmed that the product code is TX-P37X20...
and here's an interesting link: http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1307220-panasonic-37x20-s10.html (http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1307220-panasonic-37x20-s10.html)
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Meron na dating 37X10 plasma which was released in 2009 pa. So sa mga markets where the X20 was released in 2010, I wont be surprised na meron ding 37X20.
Medyo OT, meron ding 32 and 37-inch na 3D LCD models ang Panasonic for 2011.
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Hello Gurus, :)
Can somebody please share your settings. Gusto ko lang check kung meron ako dapat palitan, same settings pa din kami until now un ginawa ni Jon from s&s hehe
Thanks in advance. ;)
eto settings ko:
Cinema: (gives good depth in picture, no oversaturation):
contrast: 50-60%
brightness: +3
color: 38-45
sharpness: 30-40
color temp: WARM
everything else on default.
PN: off
ECO: off
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@stagea, ye thats why all presets except dynamic has its contrast set at 50%, increasing the contrast to 80-85% will give that pop in PQ you see in LCD.
dnt you think the colors even in cinema settings a bit oversaturated? mind sharing your picture settings?
I don't remember the actual settings for this panel, as I just worked on Royal's unit. I remember setting color to around 40, and contrast above 80. Let's see if he remembers the settings. Just take note that even identical models might have slightly different outputs, and achieving the same PQ does not automatically mean using the same settings.
As for color temp: There is a purplish anomaly with the Normal color temp, and a yellow issue with the Warm color temp. I found the Warm setting more palatable, overall.
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you're right, it is plasma! my mistake, i was only basing my info on what i saw on the panasonic asia website.
where did you see this selling for 24k?
it is plasma, sir... i even tried googling just "37x20" and see for your self the search results... and yes, i am aware of the product code (L for LCD; P for Plasma); but just to be sure, i've checked and confirmed that the product code is TX-P37X20...
and here's an interesting link: http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1307220-panasonic-37x20-s10.html (http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1307220-panasonic-37x20-s10.html)
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i really cant stand the X20's screen. Its too reflective talaga for me. How i wish i could still find a C10 ::)
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hanggang ngayun di ko pa rin ma-accept yung inaccurate color ng tv na toh, ewan ko ba, sony kasi ko dati.
help naman sa calibration, oversaturate na ewan yung color nya eh.
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hanggang ngayun di ko pa rin ma-accept yung inaccurate color ng tv na toh, ewan ko ba, sony kasi ko dati.
help naman sa calibration, oversaturate na ewan yung color nya eh.
Having the same problem with my 42U20 but only when I'm watching DVDs. Any calibration tips? Most especially for the U20? I've tried most of the settings...TV and DVD wise.
Current settings of my 42U20.
TV settings:
Cinema Mode
Backlight 85
Contrast 100
Color 55
Tint 53
Brightness 52
Sharpness 50
PNR Mid
Color Mode Normal
DVD settings (Pioneer 400 connected thru HDMI):
Brightness: -2
Sharpness: Standard
Contrast: +10
Resolution 1920X1080p
Color: Component
Anything I missed out on?
Help please...TIA
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Out of the box gusto ko na yung mga settings ng 42x20 coming from a samsung 2007 and sharp 2010 lcd. I just had to fine tune the settings depending on the movie/game.
Try a calibration disc. If you're still not contented, bring a disc to the store and see if it displays like yours.
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hanggang ngayun di ko pa rin ma-accept yung inaccurate color ng tv na toh, ewan ko ba, sony kasi ko dati.
help naman sa calibration, oversaturate na ewan yung color nya eh.
I was just curious, how come you have the unit di nyo pala gusto pq nya.. di po ba kayo nag audition for comparisons prior on buying the unit? :) If di nyo po matimpla sa adjustments may be panel fault ???
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ye, ako nga yun, pero comparing the two, samsung and panasonic, maganda p rin panasonic, yun nga lang ksi yung green nya kulay "blue green", pero ok nmn other than that, yun lng inaccurate yung primary color. i compared the two coz i was thinking of exchanging my unit for a samsung plasma, pero di ko na tinuloy coz of mas mababang PQ ng samsung. galing kasi ko sa sony bravia LCD di man ganun yung black level nya pero accurate yung color, kaya napansin ko agad nung nag plasma ko ng panasonic. i suggest kung mag plasma kayo, you go with high-end model panasonic.. ilang months lang naman mababawi mo rin yung pera.
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i did post din here, na setting the picture to cinema then calibrate to ur liking solves the problem, but to my further usage its actually still there, na-reduce lang ng onti.. is there a way to calibrate the RGB settings in the service menu, to tone down the green?
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Having the same problem with my 42U20 but only when I'm watching DVDs. Any calibration tips? Most especially for the U20? I've tried most of the settings...TV and DVD wise.
I noticed that most of the 2010 Pannys have this color bias (both Plasma and LCD). However, I believe a reasonable balance could be reached by just playing with the basic settings (unless you desire the utmost accuracy, which might need professional calibration).
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Already used the THX tests in some DVDs, just so I get settings exactly made for DVD viewing...I guess its just the sheer desire to make the viewing more pleasurable that makes me seem uncontented (I know, it's not a word ;D).
Thanks!
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Already used the THX tests in some DVDs, just so I get settings exactly made for DVD viewing...I guess its just the sheer desire to make the viewing more pleasurable that makes me seem uncontented (I know, it's not a word ;D).
Thanks!
ano settings mo tol?
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ano settings mo tol?
backread ka bro...top of page.
Thanks!
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mga sir,
dalawa po ba yung version ng th-42x20v?
42x20v with and without 600 Hz Sub-field Drive?
ano po ba ang nagagawa/epekto ng refresh rate na 100 Hz?
standard refresh rate po ba ito?
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I think it's totally fair na thorough ang inspection of any item for replacement. Mag-ingat kayong mabuti sa gamit in case you have plans or there is an option to replace within a limited period. Yeah dapat wag nyong tanggalin yung mga protective plastic films kung meron possibility na you would replace or upgrade. Syempre ibebenta rin nila yon sa susunod na Customer and sino naman ang may gusto ng kahit isang scratch at the same price - lalo na ang Pinoy?
Maski sa Tokyo, magkaroon lang ng dent ang BOX or magusot lang ang manual, minus na kaagad sa value, paano pa ang scratches (no matter how tiny). But hopefully, Vic would be kinder. So goodluk. That 1-month replacement offer if SnS is great, but replacement conditions have to be totally fair for both parties.
Do you mean SNS sells traded units as bnew again? Or SNS say they are traded items and are lowered in prices.
Can you clarify?
Actually iniisip ko din kung ano ang ginagawa nila sa traded units e.
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Sorry to bump this old thread, but is this TV 1024x768 or actually 1280x720?
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Sorry to bump this old thread, but is this TV 1024x768 or actually 1280x720?
1024x768.