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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: Carlo777 on Jan 27, 2009 at 12:11 AM
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Just ringing up a few questions regarding the Panny Plasma
1) I heard that the picture quality of plasma's improve over time, is this true or another myth?
2) Is it safe to use Dynamic mode after the 100 hours break in? (I noticed some games really look great on my PY800 when set to "Dynamic" mode)
Thank you very much.
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Just ringing up a few questions regarding the Panny Plasma
1) I heard that the picture quality of plasma's improve over time, is this true or another myth?
Myth siguro yan :)
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Just ringing up a few questions regarding the Panny Plasma
1) I heard that the picture quality of plasma's improve over time, is this true or another myth?
too early to tell, but for me its a myth :)
2) Is it safe to use Dynamic mode after the 100 hours break in? (I noticed some games really look great on my PY800 when set to "Dynamic" mode)
yes its pretty safe, btw i use ECO (nakasanayan na), but during fight night round 3 gaming i set it on DYNAMIC, di pwedeng hindi .. :D :D ...
Thank you very much.
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1) I heard that the picture quality of plasma's improve over time, is this true or another myth?
in other forums, various panasonic plasma users in say that their units improve over time especially after 1000 hours.
its not certified true, but atleast, such testimonies are "music to the ears and warmth to the hearts" of other users especially to new plasma users like me :)
2) Is it safe to use Dynamic mode after the 100 hours break in? (I noticed some games really look great on my PY800 when set to "Dynamic" mode)
i also read that any setting is safe even during the first 100 hours (even for those users breaking-in their units, lalo na sa anti break-in crusaders :)) IMO, wala naman mawawala to break-in for 100 hours (thats why i watch movies at settings i want, except that it should be stretched to full screen, stay away fr static image and tally my viewing hours until reach the 100-hour level). gusto ko kasi ma enjoy na agad unit ko while breaking-in in this way :).
are you done breaking your unit in? in your experience, may issue parin ba ng IR if watching movies with black bars on top and below the plasma screen?
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how do you guys keep track of the break-in time? tnx!
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how do you guys keep track of the break-in time? tnx!
for me 24hours on white wash will do .. ;)
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how do you guys keep track of the break-in time? tnx!
for me, I just list down the accumulated hours of watched movies in full (stretched) screen at preferred settings
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I'm just curious if people get bothered by the reflection you see on your plasma screens. I don't have this issue because i'm using an LCD but a lot of people seem to think that Plasma is better. I've also seen Samsung series 8 LCD to have a hint of gloss in their screen. It does bother me to see myself while watching.
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for me 24hours on white wash will do .. ;)
How do you do the whitewash method?-tnx
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Sir,
Yung no.1 myth siguro - otherwise mas mahal 2nd hand unit sa brand new ;D ... pero sana totoo ;D ;D ;D
Regarding no.2, there should be no issue on Dynamic Mode after the break-in period ... just a matter of preference on viewing ... preset modes are well within the standards of the equipment manufacturer
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How do you do the whitewash method?-tnx
set the screen brightness and contrast on full 100%
then run a full white bright background via display properties of your computer.
me, i used dpt (http://www.dataproductservices.com/dpt), via htpc :D
lg plasma tv has this white wash option via menu.
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I'm just curious if people get bothered by the reflection you see on your plasma screens.
Yes kung di pa ako naliligo. :) Just have to sit farther or control the ambient room illumination if it bothers you too much.
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I'm just curious if people get bothered by the reflection you see on your plasma screens. I don't have this issue because i'm using an LCD but a lot of people seem to think that Plasma is better. I've also seen Samsung series 8 LCD to have a hint of gloss in their screen. It does bother me to see myself while watching.
Yes, it would bother me if I were to see reflections on my screen. But ambient light in my viewing room is controlled.
It's a trade-off between picture quality and reflections. Choose a non-reflective screen and glare will not be an issue, but picture quality will be worse. Choose a reflective screen and picture quality will be better, but glare will be a problem.
Choose a reflective screen and control your ambient light, and you get the best of both worlds --- better picture quality without glare issues.
... a lot of people seem to think that Plasma is better.
Actually, there are more people who think LCD is better. And worldwide sales figures will show that the overwhelming majority of users prefer LCD over plasma.
Forum posts will show a preference for plasma, but forum members are not representative of the average TV buyer, because forum members are the enthusiasts who comprise a small minority of users.
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I'm just curious if people get bothered by the reflection you see on your plasma screens.
This is the same thing that I was very keen on observing when initially shopping for a flat panel because of probably reading too much expert and user reviews .... but come to think of it, we've been using crt monitors for all the years that the LCD and plasma technology did not become mainstream, and we are not complaining of its reflective screen ... if there's a lot of reflection when watching crt, you usually just turn off the lights or close the curtains - same thing with plasma - no issue for me :)
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Me too. My room is not completely dark and I was worried regarding all the discussion about reflections. I got a plasma anyway and if it turned out to be really bad I was prepared to black out part of the window. It turns out it wasn't any worse than the CRT I'd been using for several years. I can live with it for the most part. If not, I just wait for it to get late in the afternoon or evening before I start watching movies. It's only really apparent with dark movies.
I have a plasma question though. Has anyone noticed those diagonal criss-cross patterns on the screen? Parang steelwire fence yung pattern. It's barely visible and only when it's off or the image is really dark--and even then only if you're really looking. Or is that just me? I have a pv8.
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don't notice any fence pattern. My only gripe is the pinkish hue on gray and white flat images/fields but otherwise it's awesome.
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Guys for cable, where is your P-NR set? Off, weak, mid or strong?
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Guys for cable, where is your P-NR set? Off, weak, mid or strong?
i dont really use the noise reduction feature. it doesnt feel like a tv if turned on. but thats just me :)
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i dont really use the noise reduction feature. it doesnt feel like a tv if turned on. but thats just me :)
Oh ok, this is just for cable, it's set on "weak" by default and I keep it there.
Thanks^
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I have one question. When will we get these 46 inch 1080P Pannys here in the Phillies at those prices.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_19010_11238090_pe_i1/?docId=1000336001
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I have one question. When will we get these 46 inch 1080P Pannys here in the Phillies at those prices.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_19010_11238090_pe_i1/?docId=1000336001
Looks cool Kenny!
Anyway, how's your unit?
Back to topic:
I heard these panels operate best using the models "native" resolution so I stick to 720p for the PV8/80 and 1080p for the PY800, does that mean I'm not giving my lower end plasma's justice for not moving them up to 1080p?
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Looks cool Kenny!
Anyway, how's your unit?
Hi Carlo......Had it calibrated and am loving it. am very happy with my choice of plasma the PV80.
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Hi Carlo......Had it calibrated and am loving it. am very happy with my choice of plasma the PV80.
Cool, never had mine calibrated^^^ Could you share your settings via pm? Thanks!
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in other forums, various panasonic plasma users in say that their units improve over time especially after 1000 hours.
its not certified true, but atleast, such testimonies are "music to the ears and warmth to the hearts" of other users especially to new plasma users like me :)
i also read that any setting is safe even during the first 100 hours (even for those users breaking-in their units, lalo na sa anti break-in crusaders :)) IMO, wala naman mawawala to break-in for 100 hours (thats why i watch movies at settings i want, except that it should be stretched to full screen, stay away fr static image and tally my viewing hours until reach the 100-hour level). gusto ko kasi ma enjoy na agad unit ko while breaking-in in this way :).
are you done breaking your unit in? in your experience, may issue parin ba ng IR if watching movies with black bars on top and below the plasma screen?
Meron pa din sir, after watching a movie I go to a blank input screen and I could see a very feint image of the bars. However, na pansin ko na after the "break-in" mas mabilis mawala yung I.R. Sa PY800 naman kahit hindi pa tapos yung 'break-in" mabilis talaga mawala yung I.R=)
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Cool, never had mine calibrated^^^ Could you share your settings via pm? Thanks!
will do tomorrow
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pa share din ng settings pls via PM :) TIA!
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Hi Carlo......Had it calibrated and am loving it. am very happy with my choice of plasma the PV80.
bro, pa pm settings. thanks-gi ;)
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Meron pa din sir, after watching a movie I go to a blank input screen and I could see a very feint image of the bars. However, na pansin ko na after the "break-in" mas mabilis mawala yung I.R. Sa PY800 naman kahit hindi pa tapos yung 'break-in" mabilis talaga mawala yung I.R=)
thanks bro
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Guys for cable, where is your P-NR set? Off, weak, mid or strong?
i dont really use the noise reduction feature. it doesnt feel like a tv if turned on. but thats just me :)
update:
was able to ask my neighbor to "loan" me his skycable connection for a week. (for trial purposes with a little payment) ::)
some channels have bad receptions (channels that i dont think ill be watching). :P
but most were 40% better than my previous destiny cable connection. yes 40% :D :D
downside, i had to use the P-NR options on discovery and others. which made my catv viewing experience way better :D :D
not the way i wanted it to be but compared to my previous connection, i cant complain! ;D ;D
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Plasma when first introduced was actually a big hit BUT when the image burn in issues became widely known people avoided them .
However new Plasma TVS have emerged with anti burn in image technology and have greatly reduced the burned in image problem to practically zero.
Still most people think that plasmas wont last as long as LCDs and up to now avoid them since they didnt know of the new plasmas with anti imageburn in tech. (kulang sa commercials)
Its also a fact that up to know many sales people are still not informed and will discourage people from buying plasma further discouraging
worlwide adoption of plasma over lcd.
nakatatak na sa isip ng tao kasi.
It will take time to reverse their thinking.
But honestly i see a lot of people converge around plasma tvs and they come back to compare the image with LCD tvs.
Nadidiscourage sila ng sales people ng LCD when they ask about plasma.
Pero siempre impressed sila sa plasma kaysa sa LCD maski ba sony bravia lcds cant compare sa HD plasma.
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true enough, after getting myself a plasma, i wouldnt want to switch back to my old bravia s series =)
anyways, sirs, could you share some of your settings for the panny pv8? kahit pm's lang would be greatly appreciated.
thanks!
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I'll do a torture test on my PV8 and see how tuff the panel is, will let you guys know the results. (won't try it with my higher models ;)) If it passes with a PV8, then we'll know for sure if "burn-in" is really a thing of the past=)
How I'll do it:
1) Plug a PS3 and leave a game screen on for a full 8 hours on Standard!
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I'll do a torture test on my PV8 and see how tuff the panel is, will let you guys know the results. (won't try it with my higher models ;)) If it passes with a PV8, then we'll know for sure if "burn-in" is really a thing of the past=)
How I'll do it:
1) Plug a PS3 and leave a game screen on for a full 8 hours on Standard!
kaabang-abang po :)
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kaabang-abang po :)
Started na sir at exactly 9:30pm today.
Panasonic TH-42PV8H Torture test
Attached PS3 via HDMI at HDMI slot 1
Picture setting at Calibrated Cinema:
Contrast 68
Brightness 40
Color 65
Tint -1
Temp Warm
Sharpness at 47
Color management = on
Using a game Soul Calibur 4, with plenty of static health and life bars. I did not pause the game but allowed two characters to simply stand and do nothing.
This ends at 5:30am tom morning.
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I know the Ps3 goes into low light mode if you do not touch the controller for more than 10mins.
This is to prevent burn-in. :)
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I know the Ps3 goes into low light mode if you do not touch the controller for more than 10mins.
This is to prevent burn-in. :)
We noted this that's why we switched to a Gpara game demo DVD of Soul Calibur running on a loop with the same level over and over. So the static life bar will still be there.
Adjusted time to 10:30pm.
Thanks=)
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We noted this that's why we switched to a Gpara game demo DVD of Soul Calibur running on a loop with the same level over and over. So the static life bar will still be there.
Adjusted time to 10:30pm.
Thanks=)
good morning sunshine!! :D any updates 8) 8)
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interested din ako sa result nito..... ;) ;)
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Started na sir at exactly 9:30pm today.
Panasonic TH-42PV8H Torture test
Attached PS3 via HDMI at HDMI slot 1
Picture setting at Calibrated Cinema:
Contrast 68
Brightness 40
Color 65
Tint -1
Temp Warm
Sharpness at 47
Color management = on
Using a game Soul Calibur 4, with plenty of static health and life bars. I did not pause the game but allowed two characters to simply stand and do nothing.
This ends at 5:30am tom morning.
Your brightness set to 40 is too low to cause burn-in. Your setting of cinema mode will further prevent any burn-in. To really max-out your panel for burn-in test, you have to set the panel to DYNAMIC and both BRIGHTNESS and CONTRAST set to 100!
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Your brightness set to 40 is too low to cause burn-in. Your setting of cinema mode will further prevent any burn-in. To really max-out your panel for burn-in test, you have to set the panel to DYNAMIC and both BRIGHTNESS and CONTRAST set to 100!
Yes, but I wanted to use a setting that most of us here are probably using ;)
Here are the results so far:
After 8 hours I switched to a blank AV screen and as expected there were VISIBLE ghosting images all over the screen. They were seen even with the lights switched on!
Next
I switched to a regular channel and zoomed the picture using zoom 3, we did not want to add channel logo's to the bunch. This is our attempt to remove the images without using a blasting method. (using a higher picture setting - STANDARD unaltered)
After 30 minutes:
The brightness of the ghost images were toned down but the screen was still obviously very very dirty.
As of 12:55pm today:
Some of the larger images are starting to fade away like the full ghosted image of the 2 game characters are a bit subtle now. The life bars and other static images are still there but have faded a bit.
Will let you guys know as the screen hopefully continues to "heal".
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^ great test! I'll be anticipating the final results
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^ great test! I'll be anticipating the final results
Thanks! My loss is your gain=) Just in-case this "burns-out"
As of 9:40pm (14 hours of washing the screen)
-The huge game character ghost images have completely disappeared!
-Faint images of the life bars and score marks are still there but you have to turn your lights off completely to see them. It's almost gone.
We will continue with regular cable viewing at zoom3 and will post as soon as all images have completely disappeared. (Crossing our fingers)
Do note that we observed the 100 hour break in period and we used Sights and Sounds Spyder calibrated settings.
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Thanks! My loss is your gain=) Just in-case this "burns-out"
As of 9:40pm (14 hours of washing the screen)
-The huge game character ghost images have completely disappeared!
-Faint images of the life bars and score marks are still there but you have to turn your lights off completely to see them. It's almost gone.
We will continue with regular cable viewing at zoom3 and will post as soon as all images have completely disappeared. (Crossing our fingers)
Do note that we observed the 100 hour break in period and we used Sights and Sounds Spyder calibrated settings.
100 hour break in? I did it for 200 just to be sure.
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100 hour break in? I did it for 200 just to be sure.
Yeah, this has been confusing for me as well, so guys is it a 100 hour break-in or 200?
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Thanks! My loss is your gain=) Just in-case this "burns-out"
As of 9:40pm (14 hours of washing the screen)
-The huge game character ghost images have completely disappeared!
-Faint images of the life bars and score marks are still there but you have to turn your lights off completely to see them. It's almost gone.
We will continue with regular cable viewing at zoom3 and will post as soon as all images have completely disappeared. (Crossing our fingers)
Do note that we observed the 100 hour break in period and we used Sights and Sounds Spyder calibrated settings.
Sir,
Thanks for conducting the test and sharing the results with us ...this is very important info to plasma tv owners and would be owners (Panasonic plasma tv's that is)...those who conduct a lot of research on forums like this before plunging into a technology usually have the burn-in image as one of the biggest worries when comparing plasma with LCD - based on initial results, looks like such is no longer an issue with the 8-series Panasonic Plasma.
In my case, I observed the 100-hour break-in period religiously, and have been using the PV8 as how I would use my previous crt tv - sometimes long hours watching CNN with the static logo ... I haven't encountered any burn-in issues after more than 6 months of use ... I haven't tried to use it for games though - I'm quite worried of the burn-in image still - after your test however, I might consider buying a Wii or PS3 ;D ;D
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Sir,
Thanks for conducting the test and sharing the results with us ...this is very important info to plasma tv owners and would be owners (Panasonic plasma tv's that is)...those who conduct a lot of research on forums like this before plunging into a technology usually have the burn-in image as one of the biggest worries when comparing plasma with LCD - based on initial results, looks like such is no longer an issue with the 8-series Panasonic Plasma.
In my case, I observed the 100-hour break-in period religiously, and have been using the PV8 as how I would use my previous crt tv - sometimes long hours watching CNN with the static logo ... I haven't encountered any burn-in issues after more than 6 months of use ... I haven't tried to use it for games though - I'm quite worried of the burn-in image still - after your test however, I might consider buying a Wii or PS3 ;D ;D
You're welcome!
So far the PV8 is performing very well. I'll go down later to check how the screen is doing^
Anyway, how did you perform your break-in?
Thanks a lot sir!
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You're welcome!
So far the PV8 is performing very well. I'll go down later to check how the screen is doing^
Anyway, how did you perform your break-in?
Thanks a lot sir!
for the 100-hour break-in period, i followed the suggestion to have the unit on zoom 3 to avoid the static TV station logos and the black bars when watching DVD's and HD video from my PCH and TViX .... I had the settings on default during the break-in ... the settings where only changed when the unit was calibrated by S&S
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Wokie! Screen seems clear to me already and for an 8 hour demo gaming loop with the same scene, logo's, health bars, and near non-moving characters it took almost 16 hours to clear the entire screen.
My take
-Thus far Panasonic seems resistant to burn-in and based on my test, that statement is a reality!
-Image retention takes quite sometime to wash away, and for some people the removal of I.R's may just be more than a minor inconvenience.
Question
People say that as plasma's age - The removal of Image Retention is faster, true?
Thanks!
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thanks for doing the burn in test bro, it really helps alot, specially for those people who aren't that well informed on the technological advances about plasma and are still going for the lcd's
anyways, i have been playing ps3 on my pv8 prior to the 100 break in period. being at work most of the time, and the set being only 9 days old, i was able to use it around 40-50 accumulated hours pa lang
so far i've never encountered any problems, =)
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Carlo777 ill try to do this too, cause usually i play ps3 around 1-4 hours max. but my settings is on ECO.
but my IR usually disappears around 2 minutes after playing and would totally wash/go out after 15minutes (IIRC longest i waited *ng nakatutuk sa screen* ).
maybe if i try leaving a real static image for 8 hours ill get the same result as you have?
btw after playing i usually channel surf around 5 minutes (double checking which program i really wanted to watch), before settling to one channel or turnoff the tv if theres nothing to watch.
note: my htpc desktop background takes 30 minutes (more or less), when i left it open for roughly 1 hour (went out to buy dinner). but my background then was a white background with a big megatron image at the center. this scenario scared me to death when i got home .. ;D ;D
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Carlo777 ill try to do this too, cause usually i play ps3 around 1-4 hours max. but my settings is on ECO.
but my IR usually disappears around 2 minutes after playing and would totally wash/go out after 15minutes (IIRC longest i waited *ng nakatutuk sa screen* ).
maybe if i try leaving a real static image for 8 hours ill get the same result as you have?
btw after playing i usually channel surf around 5 minutes (double checking which program i really wanted to watch), before settling to one channel or turnoff the tv if theres nothing to watch.
note: my htpc desktop background takes 30 minutes (more or less), when i left it open for roughly 1 hour (went out to buy dinner). but my background then was a white background with a big megatron image at the center. this scenario scared me to death when i got home .. ;D ;D
Hard to say, funny thing is some "images" disappear faster like the "letterbox" lines kahit marathon viewing (6-8 hours) washes away within an hour or so. Important thing is that at least I know it's really safe to game on plasma :)
Blasting the screen daw with a white image gets the job done faster.
POST UPDATE: So if you guys play your ps3/xbox 360 on your plasma and then you get an I.R that does not wash away within a few mins. Don't worry temporary lang talaga yan ;)
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Hard to say, funny thing is some "images" disappear faster like the "letterbox" lines kahit marathon viewing (6-8 hours) washes away within an hour or so. Important thing is that at least I know it's really safe to game on plasma :)
Blasting the screen daw with a white image gets the job done faster.
yeah ive proven this already .. but panasonic doesnt have the white wash option >:( >:(
btw i never timed doing a manual "whitewash" before, but i think its under 30minutes .. if i have time ill try and time it this weekend .. :D :D
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yeah ive proven this already .. but panasonic doesnt have the white wash option >:( >:(
btw i never timed doing a manual "whitewash" before, but i think its under 30minutes .. if i have time ill try and time it this weekend .. :D :D
How do you do a manual "whitewash"?
Can you test it for us? I want to see how long it really takes to remove an image using the whitewash...according to a lot of guys the whitewash is really faster. Regular cable viewing daw is the slowest way to get rid of I.R's!
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How do you do a manual "whitewash"?
Can you test it for us? I want to see how long it really takes to remove an image using the whitewash...according to a lot of guys the whitewash is really faster. Regular cable viewing daw is the slowest way to get rid of I.R's!
actually whitewash "burns" the whole screen, leaving a balance burn over the entire screen.
im not doing this anymore though, since i dont see the IR while watching movies and catv viewing anyway. (lucky me 8) 8) )
but ill give it a go later, just for the heck of it. (and for the benefit of pv8xx users) ;D ;D
the usual IR that i encounter is the health bar from ninja gaiden sigma. ill let my gf and her kid play till midnight :D :D that should be long enough to produce a very annoying IR .. ;D
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Guys,
Im thinking of buying pv8 at tanong ko lang. How's the Glare problem of plasma? medyo madaming bintana yung room ko eh. Saka hows the burnin problem lalo na pag gagamitin ko sya for ps3? lalo na sa games like GTA4 and MGS4 na may static images.
tnx!
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Guys,
Im thinking of buying pv8 at tanong ko lang. How's the Glare problem of plasma? medyo madaming bintana yung room ko eh. Saka hows the burnin problem lalo na pag gagamitin ko sya for ps3? lalo na sa games like GTA4 and MGS4 na may static images.
tnx!
No problems with PS3, you will encounter image retention but it washes away after you watch another content.
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How do you do a manual "whitewash"?
Can you test it for us? I want to see how long it really takes to remove an image using the whitewash...according to a lot of guys the whitewash is really faster. Regular cable viewing daw is the slowest way to get rid of I.R's!
Sir ninjababez is right. The white wash feature burns the entire screen.
May white wash pa ba ang bagong Panasonic? I think Panasonic is so confident about its phosphors that they consider the white wash and pixel shift functions as useless features.
The white wash function is a barbaric remedy for burn-in. If the screen's phosphor has some burned areas, what it does is to burn all of the phosphors. It doesn't restore the burned areas to their former unburned condition --- it actually burns the whole screen to darken the unburned areas.
Your screen ends up cleaner --- but darker. Needless to say, the white wash function shortens screen life.
It's important to distinguish between burn-in and image retention. Plasma users already know the basic distinction that burn-in is permanent and IR is temporary. But what is the underlying cause? Why is burn-in permanent? Why is IR temporary?
Burn-in results from uneven phosphor aging. A white wash is probably the only way to clean up the screen. "White wash" is actually a misleading name, since it doesn't whiten the screen; on the contrary, it actually darkens the entire screen. But that's marketing for you. Calling it "burn-all" would be more accurate, but that would be one hell of a scary name. Definitely not marketing-friendly. :D
On the other hand, IR results from a residual charge in the plasma cell that goes away after the charge in all cells eventually equalize. IR has nothing to do with phosphors, so a white wash feature would not help at all.
Here's how the Plasma Display Coalition describes IR:
From this test, image retention appears not to be caused by phosphor burn-in. Rather, it appears to be an accumulated electrical charge within pixel walls. A full white image was displayed for a few hours on the two plasma TVs that showed residual images, after which the residual images disappeared completely. Had the phosphors aged sufficiently, this procedure would not have been enough to clear up the problem.
This points to the possibility of a residual electrical charge accumulating within the individual pixel walls, much like a capacitor. The all-white test pattern apparently cleared this charge.
http://www.plasmadisplaycoalition.org/results/image.php
Note that a quick remedy for IR is simply to display an all-white test pattern, rather than to run a white wash function.
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Anybody using a UPS to power their 42" plasma? I got an Apollo 620va UPS and it's not enough to power the TV. The UPS doesn't give its watt rating but if it's 60% of the va it should be more than enough for the TV. I'm wondering if a 1000va unit will do it?
As a follow up question, with generic UPS units just about the same price as an AVR, why would anyone still choose an AVR? Won't a UPS do all that plus more? Or am I missing something?
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Anybody using a UPS to power their 42" plasma? I got an Apollo 620va UPS and it's not enough to power the TV. The UPS doesn't give its watt rating but if it's 60% of the va it should be more than enough for the TV. I'm wondering if a 1000va unit will do it?
As a follow up question, with generic UPS units just about the same price as an AVR, why would anyone still choose an AVR? Won't a UPS do all that plus more? Or am I missing something?
Sir,
The cheaper model UPS are usually just line interactive - meaning if there's no problem with the commercial power, it is on bypass mode and just sends to the device whatever the supply is .... there's no voltage regulation ... another thing is that the output is not a pure sine wave - but this is good enough for devices not using AC motors.
The more expensive UPS uses double conversion - converts AC input to DC, then converts it back to AC ... the process offers clean regulated power to the devices connected ... there's more circuitry, hence more expensive.
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@barrister
Cool info! How about going to a no channel area that displays a white snow like pattern? Would that be fine?
Thanks!
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Note that a quick remedy for IR is simply to display an all-white test pattern, rather than to run a white wash function.
for what it's worth, im using DPT (http://www.dataproductservices.com/dpt) via my htpc and run all colors .. :)
but as ive posted above, i really dont use it.
youre right bro, dapat talaga tawag dyan "burn-all" .. :D :D
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The cheaper model UPS are usually just line interactive - meaning if there's no problem with the commercial power, it is on bypass mode and just sends to the device whatever the supply is .... there's no voltage regulation ... another thing is that the output is not a pure sine wave - but this is good enough for devices not using AC motors.
The more expensive UPS uses double conversion - converts AC input to DC, then converts it back to AC ... the process offers clean regulated power to the devices connected ... there's more circuitry, hence more expensive.
Thanks raptor! Didn't know that. When you say AC motors, you mean devices with actual motors like refrigerators?
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@barrister
Cool info! How about going to a no channel area that displays a white snow like pattern? Would that be fine?
Yes, that would be a safe and simple method.
Sir ninjababez' Dead Pixel Tester utility is also good (Dead Pixel Buddy is another alternative). But if you don't have an HTPC connected to the TV, or if connecting a laptop would be too much trouble, try the plasma break-in disc:
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm (http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm)
From the author:
It is basically a set of 20 images that are 720p native resolution. The images are full screen colors so that the entire screen is 1 color at a time. The colors go from a white to a dark grey in 5 gradients, white to blue in 5 gradients, white to green in 5 gradients and white to red in five gradients.
You can set the DVD player to play a loop of only the white image.
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thanks bro! im actually looking for those, i mean that particular site/page, cause i know someone who wants/needs it.
i think it was you who posted that before (another thread), but i was too lazy to checkout all my bookmarks page .. :D ;D
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:D :D :D Yes, i was the one who first posted it. But that was posted so long ago that it would be extremely difficult to search for it now. ;)
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:D :D :D Yes, i was the one who first posted it. But that was posted so long ago that it would be extremely difficult to search for it now. ;)
Thank you will download the program and repeat the whole "burn-in" test.
Anyway ano po ba plasma nila sir?
Thanks.
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yeah ive proven this already .. but panasonic doesnt have the white wash option >:( >:(
btw i never timed doing a manual "whitewash" before, but i think its under 30minutes .. if i have time ill try and time it this weekend .. :D :D
panasonic plasma has anti image retention - scrolling bar option, is this the same as white wash option?
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Anyway ano po ba plasma nila sir?
Panasonic Viera 42PA60M, 42" EDTV 9th gen.
It's the last of its kind. Panasonic does not make EDTV 480p consumer plasmas anymore.
panasonic plasma has anti image retention - scrolling bar option, is this the same as white wash option?
No. Panasonic's White Bar Scroll is for image retention (residual charge in the plasma cell). White Wash is for burn-in (uneven phosphor burn).
A White Bar Scroll functions as a screen conditioner, similar to a CRT's automatic degausser.
Creath.net (not a Panasonic site) says:
"White Bar Scroll" sends a wide, vertical, white bar scrolling across the screen. This area of even brightness theoretically wipes away temporary burn in. It appears to work. If the panel is truly burned in from long periods of misuse, the white bar scroll won't help.
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Thanks raptor! Didn't know that. When you say AC motors, you mean devices with actual motors like refrigerators?
Sir,
Yes - equipment like refrigerators ... large laser printers (e.g. Meralco bill printers) and mainframe computers also uses AC motors, hence they would specify online UPS with pure sine wave output.
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No. Panasonic's White Bar Scroll is for image retention (residual charge in the plasma cell). White Wash is for burn-in (uneven phosphor burn).
A White Bar Scroll functions as a screen conditioner, similar to a CRT's automatic degausser.
Creath.net (not a Panasonic site) says:
"White Bar Scroll" sends a wide, vertical, white bar scrolling across the screen. This area of even brightness theoretically wipes away temporary burn in. It appears to work. If the panel is truly burned in from long periods of misuse, the white bar scroll won't help.
thanks ;)
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panasonic plasma has anti image retention - scrolling bar option, is this the same as white wash option?
Ano ang scrolling bar option? Is this a feature I can access through the menu of the tv? Saan ito sa py850?
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but panasonic doesnt have the white wash option >:( >:( :D :D
...simply because, current Panasonic plasma panels have no permanent IR problem so there is no need to have the white wash option. :)
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...simply because, current Panasonic plasma panels have no permanent IR problem so there is no need to have the white wash option. :)
yeah i agree, its just that i was used to having this function :)
by the way 6 hours of playing ninja gaiden sigma (ps3) a little over 10 minutes white wash*all white background via htpc*(i took a quick shower so it could be under 10minutes :D )
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Ano ang scrolling bar option? Is this a feature I can access through the menu of the tv? Saan ito sa py850?
yes, it's in the menu of my panasonic hd18
not sure if its available in py850 (baka di na kailangan) :)
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...simply because, current Panasonic plasma panels have no permanent IR problem so there is no need to have the white wash option. :)
bro according to barrister white wash is for burn-in, not IR
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I have a plasma question though. Has anyone noticed those diagonal criss-cross patterns on the screen? Parang steelwire fence yung pattern. xxx I have a pv8.
Here's what I'm talking about:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q117/sardaukar13/IMG_5789.jpg)
I'm not sure if it's a pattern created by the pixels (phosphors?) or somethng else altogether. I only see it if the room is bright and there is no picture on the screen. It's also slightly visible in dark scenes.
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Here's what I'm talking about:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q117/sardaukar13/IMG_5789.jpg)
I'm not sure if it's a pattern created by the pixels (phosphors?) or somethng else altogether. I only see it if the room is bright and there is no picture on the screen. It's also slightly visible in dark scenes.
hi bro, i never experienced that before.
can you send me a clip or something that could produce that so i can try it out?
is that a movie or a video game?
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That's just set to hdmi 2 but with no source. It's also there if it's off. But I think kailangan ng light source behind you (in front of the TV). Sa akin kasi bintana yun at may blinds lang. That's partly what you can make out also on the screen.
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^^^ i also get that from my PV8. bka normal lang yan.
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I also have a PV8 but I don't see that "chicken wire" like image on my screen... usually if it has no source is in deep black.
hmmm...I'll check again the other sources later. ???
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i thought it was a reflection mo my 3rd floor gate. :)
ill double check later :)
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@young_Miklo
Sana.
@verde9
Maybe because you don't have a bright light source across from your TV? Anyway good if you don't have it. I just hope it's normal that mine has it.
@ninjababez
Will wait on that. :)
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I also have a PV8 but I don't see that "chicken wire" like image on my screen... usually if it has no source is in deep black.
hmmm...I'll check again the other sources later. ???
yeah mine too but i remembered seeing that in my pv80 before.
i just dont know how to trigger it again since ive already treated the lighting of my living room :D
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Hmmm...saw your pic yesterday and checked my units, it does not have that.
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mine too, ive been staring at my pv8 since i saw the pic you posted, and i couldnt see anything like that... ???
hmmm, how old is the set with the chicken wire image?
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Hehe para bang naging hidden 3d image. ;D It's fairly new. Bought just this year. When you guys are checking, is the room fairly bright? Cause I also don't see it if the room is dark.
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Hehe para bang naging hidden 3d image. ;D It's fairly new. Bought just this year. When you guys are checking, is the room fairly bright? Cause I also don't see it if the room is dark.
Checked on both a bright surrounding and a dark one still don't see it.
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POST UPDATE:
YEAH! I can see it already on my PV8, I'll go down lang to check it sa PV80 (Nasa kids room kasi yung PV8). Bright surrounding on a blank HDMI input, grabe pati yun nakikita nyo ;) I'll also check the PY800.
Stand-by=)
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POST UPDATE:
YEAH! I can see it already on my PV8, I'll go down lang to check it sa PV80 (Nasa kids room kasi yung PV8). Bright surrounding on a blank HDMI input, grabe pati yun nakikita nyo ;) I'll also check the PY800.
Stand-by=)
ako nga di ko nakikita green phospor lag .. :D :D
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ako nga di ko nakikita green phospor lag .. :D :D
You're lucky man! Check out my ramblings sa PLASMA vs LCD thread! ;)
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hmmmm...
havent seen it and i just installed a new light (very bright light) in my room
wonder whats causing it.... tama ka sir para ngang hidden 3d image, ehehehe
any specific setting your set was on when you noticed this?
i asked about the age of your unit thinking that it maybe something caused by extended use, but since your unit isnt even a year old, this is becoming more and more interesting :o
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POST UPDATE:
YEAH! I can see it already on my PV8, I'll go down lang to check it sa PV80 (Nasa kids room kasi yung PV8). Bright surrounding on a blank HDMI input, grabe pati yun nakikita nyo ;) I'll also check the PY800.
Stand-by=)
Thanks for checking! Since tatlo na tayong nakakakita, I'm not so worried anymore. ;D
I haven't seen the green phosphor lag myself. Baka sobrang liwanag lang talaga ng kwarto ko, hehe.
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hmmmm...
havent seen it and i just installed a new light (very bright light) in my room
wonder whats causing it.... tama ka sir para ngang hidden 3d image, ehehehe
any specific setting your set was on when you noticed this?
i asked about the age of your unit thinking that it maybe something caused by extended use, but since your unit isnt even a year old, this is becoming more and more interesting :o
Mahirap siyang makita with a fluorescent. Dapat daylight. No setting. Just a dark or blank screen.
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ill try this weekend, i rarely catch the sun at home during weekends e, i leave for work early to avoid traffic ;D
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ako nga di ko nakikita green phospor lag .. :D :D
curious din ako dito sa green phospor lag na 'to e, hehe pero nung one time parang may nakita ako sa isang scene sa transformers na parang pink but when i watch it again, wala na ;)
will check my pv80 this weekend kung may chicken fence like image din... so far wala pa naman ako napapansin :)
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ok, so how do we see the green phospor lag? ;)
i want to see if my units affected with that too ;D
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Hey Guys, dont try to find something that you might not like. If you don't see it - great. Green phosphor lag should still be there. It's science. If the biggest players like Panasonic had already found an effective measure to alter the inherent chemical characteristics associated with the plasma cells, for sure they would have coined some cool sounding phrase to boast that - Turbo Green Excitation, Green Neutralizer, Excitation and Decay Equalizer, whatever. :)
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oh, so thats what it is, yeah, better not look for something that can be considered a defect, hehehe
anyways, im curious as to what causes that chickenwire thing is and why its visible
:)
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my tv room lighting is not too bright, no windows just a glass sliding door on one side and walls on the other 3.
but I checked it with lights open (my lights are warm white) and still couldn't see it... I also tried changing the brightness and contrast.
anyways, do you only see the chicken wires on a blank screen or do you also see it while watching a movie?
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di ko rin makita sa pv8 ko ang chicken wires.
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my tv room lighting is not too bright, no windows just a glass sliding door on one side and walls on the other 3.
but I checked it with lights open (my lights are warm white) and still couldn't see it... I also tried changing the brightness and contrast.
anyways, do you only see the chicken wires on a blank screen or do you also see it while watching a movie?
It might be barely detectable in very dark scenes. And only if you're looking for it. Pag maliwanag na yung scene di na talaga kita. So it really doesn't bother me when I'm watching. Just also curious as to what it is and just making sure it's not a defect or something that will become a problem later on.
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ako naman i'm not looking for it. Kahit naka-off yung tv, kita ko pa rin yang "chicken wires" when i'm in front of the tv. noticed it the day i got the plasma, so I assumed na normal lang. :)
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ako naman i'm not looking for it. Kahit naka-off yung tv, kita ko pa rin yang "chicken wires" when i'm in front of the tv. noticed it the day i got the plasma, so I assumed na normal lang. :)
Yup, it's there even when turned off.
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Hi Carlo! Were you able to see it in your other plasmas? Or is this a PV8 thing?
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Hi Carlo! Were you able to see it in your other plasmas? Or is this a PV8 thing?
Ooops, forgot to check, we're busy with the Sony X450 but will check later ;)
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Yes I was reading that thread as well and great review as always! Anytime you get around to it would be fine. I know what it's like to have a new gadget on hand. Particularly one like a Sony X series. :)
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Yes I was reading that thread as well and great review as always! Anytime you get around to it would be fine. I know what it's like to have a new gadget on hand. Particularly one like a Sony X series. :)
Thanks! Anyway I think our "chicken wire" issue is normal because I remember seeing it even when the unit is off^
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Hey Guys, dont try to find something that you might not like. If you don't see it - great. Green phosphor lag should still be there. It's science. If the biggest players like Panasonic had already found an effective measure to alter the inherent chemical characteristics associated with the plasma cells, for sure they would have coined some cool sounding phrase to boast that - Turbo Green Excitation, Green Neutralizer, Excitation and Decay Equalizer, whatever. :)
yeah the only thing that bothers me now is the size, i want a 50" now! :D
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You're lucky man! Check out my ramblings sa PLASMA vs LCD thread! ;)
yeah i read those too .. :D
lahat ata ng thread naguusap tayo eh :D
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i have a plan of buying this panasonic pv8, this thread really helps..thanks to all the feebacks.keep it coming!
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i have a plan of buying this panasonic pv8, this thread really helps..thanks to all the feebacks.keep it coming!
You wont regret buying one.. I just bought this pv8 2 weeks ago and im very satisfied. Cable viewing
is very clear.. Gaming is crystal clear as well on both PS2 and PS3! ;D
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Hi Carlo! Were you able to see it in your other plasmas? Or is this a PV8 thing?
Hmmm...I can't see it on my PY800, maybe gabi na kasi and duling na ako=)
Will check again tom.
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Plano po namin to buy a plasma. Do we really need to do the break-in? The info we get sa net is conflicting sabi ng iba hindi na daw. Yung iba naman it's really needed naman. I know this has been asked so many times already so sorry for the question.
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hmmm, well, it depends ata e, after the break in kase saka lalabas un kagandahan ng panel mo, so its not like you have to force yourself, or leave the set open for 100 hrs, its accumulative too, so as long as you regularly use it, it will eventually break in =)
hope this helps! :)
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Hi Carlo! Were you able to see it in your other plasmas? Or is this a PV8 thing?
Sorry for the late reply but yes both the PV8 and 80 has it, the py800 has it on a lesser extent.
Verdict: I guess it's normal ;)
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Sorry for the late reply but yes both the PV8 and 80 has it, the py800 has it on a lesser extent.
Verdict: I guess it's normal ;)
Thanks Carlo!
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recently bought a pana pv80, but ive been reading this topic before ko pa binili.
During my first try of the unit i already notice this problem. pag black un background and me reflection from the wdo, me parang criss-cross pattern nga.
Me too. My room is not completely dark and I was worried regarding all the discussion about reflections. I got a plasma anyway and if it turned out to be really bad I was prepared to black out part of the window. It turns out it wasn't any worse than the CRT I'd been using for several years. I can live with it for the most part. If not, I just wait for it to get late in the afternoon or evening before I start watching movies. It's only really apparent with dark movies.
I have a plasma question though. Has anyone noticed those diagonal criss-cross patterns on the screen? Parang steelwire fence yung pattern. It's barely visible and only when it's off or the image is really dark--and even then only if you're really looking. Or is that just me? I have a pv8.
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Mga Sir,
could anyone pls share their settings during the first 100 hours break in period? Im only watching dvds, no catv attached to my pv80.
saka kun di na kalabisan un calibration po after 100hrs.
paki pm nalang po. all feedbacks will be highly appreciated!
many thanks!
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recently bought a pana pv80, but ive been reading this topic before ko pa binili.
During my first try of the unit i already notice this problem. pag black un background and me reflection from the wdo, me parang criss-cross pattern nga.
Has anybody explained this issue yet?
I can't answer it with accuracy because I haven't seen it yet. My Viera is an old model, and it definitely does not have the crosshatch pattern issue.
Panasonic has no official statement on the matter yet. But I did find some foreign user posts that give a reasonable explanation:
The crosshatch pattern is normal. It is a side-effect of the screen's anti-reflective coating.
The anti-reflective coating is supposed to reduce glare when there is a bright light in the room that shines on the screen. The coating does reduce glare, but the side-effect is a faint crosshatch pattern. Therefore, the anti-reflective coating is not very useful.
If your screen has an anti-reflective coating:
1. If there is an external bright light, glare is reduced, but there is a crosshatch pattern.
2. If there is no external bright light, there is no crosshatch pattern; but then, the anti-reflective coating would not have been necessary.
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Nope, nobody has given an explanation yet. Thanks for digging up the answer for us!
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question lang sa mga guru's...
pano po mag-upscale ng dvd videos sa panasonic plama tv to 720 and 1080? di ko kasi sya makita sa manual and remote e. kapag pinipindot ko kasi ang display eh laging 480 lang ang lumalabas. may dapat po bang i-set sa tv? please help.
i'm trying to check kasi kung ano ang mas magandang mag-upscale between dvd player and the pana 42C10.
thanks!
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c10's native reso is 7xx ata, so it upscales 480 automatically to 7xx. And downscales 1080 to 7xx. I also did the same test bfore, d ko makita difference. Pero i decide upscale via player whch, by the way, is oppo!
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c10's native reso is 7xx ata, so it upscales 480 automatically to 7xx. And downscales 1080 to 7xx. I also did the same test bfore, d ko makita difference. Pero i decide upscale via player whch, by the way, is oppo!
thanks sir! i noticed lang din na when i upscale via dvd player to 720p mas maganda talaga ang PQ na lumalabas kesa sa 480p.
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Folks,
I recently bought a pv80. Can someone please share the calibration settings before and after 100 hours? just want to make sure that i wont go wasting my hard earned money over something that can be prevented with care.
thanks in advance.
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Folks,
I recently bought a pv80. Can someone please share the calibration settings before and after 100 hours? just want to make sure that i wont go wasting my hard earned money over something that can be prevented with care.
thanks in advance.
here's what i did during the break-in period
set it to dynamic then whitewash for 24 hours
or check the PV80 thread (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=80323.msg980180#msg980180)
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Sir arvin, sa dvd player mo (kung capable ) i upscale yung 1080p, ganun ginawa ko sa pv8 ko. talagang lilinaw yung picture quality.
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Hello to everyone.
I need some info on the energy consumption of the 50" Panasonic plasmas. The specs state 500w for the pv80 and 50C10. I spoke to a saleperson at one of the stores in Shang and he said a plasma TV does not steadily consume electricity at the stated wattage. The power usage depends on the images shown and that the power plasma TV uses is generally lower.
He added that LCD TVs are that ones that use a steady amount of power...so if an LCD's specs read 200w--it uses up 200w all (or probably most of) the time.
I am asking this because I am thinking of getting a 50" Panny plasma to replace a 50" Sammy rear proj. TV. The problem is that my wife will be using that set for cable viewing--around 18hrs non-stop use daily! Naka-babad sa TV eh :-[
Bottom line...is it true that plasmas (more particularly Panasonic) energy consumption run lower than stated specs? Is consumption relative to the pictures shown--meaning brighter pics mean more power used and vice-versa?
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http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/tv-consumption-chart/
Comparing the G10, S10 and the PY800/850 counterpart PZ80...just tick the boxes
http://www.crutchfield.com/g_146350/LCD-Plasma-TVs.html?o=p&tp=161&nvpair=YCDisplay_Type%7cPlasma&nvpair=FFScreen_Size%7c%5brank4%5d50%22+and+up&nvpair=FFBrand%7cPanasonic
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Thanks ninjababez. Got some settings from Carlo777 too.
I'll keep those in mind. But i'm a bit hesitant to do the whitewash. I'll have to look it up first.
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Hi guys, Just want to check if this is the same crosshatch pattern you were talking about. This pattern is visible in some text and in some but not the entire image when watching cable TV. I first noticed this when i saw the crowd shot from afar of a UAAP game.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2579/3945808895_102994595b.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2470/3945809583_8e2a637d89.jpg)
I have the 50G10 and I believe it has the AR coating. Thanks for your feedback! :)
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@gaol
not sure, but we can see that pattern when the t.v is off (room lights open) for the pv80, s10, and to a much lighter extent on the c10. i haven't seen that on our g11 though...
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@gaol
not sure, but we can see that pattern when the t.v is off (room lights open) for the pv80, s10, and to a much lighter extent on the c10. i haven't seen that on our g11 though...
Thanks, Yuriko. Hmm, I don't see the pattern when the TV is off, and it only (I hope) shows up on cable TV. Upscaling artifact (from 480i)?
Cheers!
Arn
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Thanks, Yuriko. Hmm, I don't see the pattern when the TV is off, and it only (I hope) shows up on cable TV. Upscaling artifact (from 480i)?
Cheers!
Arn
maybe, becuse the "pattern" is largely seen when you have a blank input, dark movie scene (very difficult) or when the t.v is off.
btw, nice news you're watching there, Arn!..."lalaking, nagtagpuang patay sa..." ;D
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maybe, becuse the "pattern" is largely seen when you have a blank input, dark movie scene (very difficult) or when the t.v is off.
btw, nice news you're watching there, Arn!..."lalaking, nagtagpuang patay sa..." ;D
Haha, I had a feeling someone would comment on the news item. Normally, I watch CNN (daw, hehe) but in the mornings I just switch it to the local morning shows. ;D
Hmm, I'll see if I can replicate the crosshatch pattern with a DVD and a 480i signal ....
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Haha, I had a feeling someone would comment on the news item. Normally, I watch CNN (daw, hehe) but in the mornings I just switch it to the local morning shows. ;D
ok lang yan...nothing starts the day better than a "hack and slash" news ;)
about the screen, try switching off your t.v, then with normal room lighting look at your screen very closely. we don't see those patterns on a g11 though...
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Hi guys, Just want to check if this is the same crosshatch pattern you were talking about. This pattern is visible in some text and in some but not the entire image when watching cable TV. I first noticed this when i saw the crowd shot from afar of a UAAP game.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2579/3945808895_102994595b.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2470/3945809583_8e2a637d89.jpg)
I have the 50G10 and I believe it has the AR coating. Thanks for your feedback! :)
Ganyan ba yung cross-hatch pattern?
I thought the cross-hatch pattern is much bigger, parang cyclone wire fence. Yan kasi yung nasa pic ni sir sardaukar:
Here's what I'm talking about:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q117/sardaukar13/IMG_5789.jpg)
I'm not sure if it's a pattern created by the pixels (phosphors?) or somethng else altogether. I only see it if the room is bright and there is no picture on the screen. It's also slightly visible in dark scenes.
I think your pic shows mosquito noise, parang ganito:
(http://i.cmpnet.com/videsignline/2006/02/algolith-fig2s.jpg)
http://www.videsignline.com/howto/180207350
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ok lang yan...nothing starts the day better than a "hack and slash" news ;)
about the screen, try switching off your t.v, then with normal room lighting look at your screen very closely. we don't see those patterns on a g11 though...
;D
Will check again later with the TV off although so far I have not noticed the pattern when the TV is off and with the lights on. Thanks again!
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@ barrister
Ah so that's what mosquito noise is. I guess it might be, although I see some artifacts that look more like the sample image you attached. I wonder if someone else has seen the exact same "issue" I'm seeing.
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prng normal na kasi sa akin pag cable viewing..basta importante pag HD file eh nde ganyan lumabas :D
the cross-hatched pattern shown eh prang nakita ko na sa PV80 ko yan..pero nde ko na maulit yun ganun.
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@ barrister
Ah so that's what mosquito noise is. I guess it might be, although I see some artifacts that look more like the sample image you attached. I wonder if someone else has seen the exact same "issue" I'm seeing.
Mosquito noise is a common compression artifact.
It's not the TV's fault. May artifact na talaga yung video signal. Kahit DVDs, meron din pag hindi magaling ang video mastering.
Maybe the artifact on your pic was caused by the TV station's software that produces the ticker and font. I notice that the artifact is on the ticker and font, but it's not present on the videotaped picture itself.
Don't worry about artifacts on cable TV, since freeview images are so bad that artifacts are expected. Try looking for it on a commercial DVD source, at least.
As for the cross-hatch pattern, I found another pic, posted on avforums (U.K.):
(http://www.avforums.com/forums/attachments/plasma-televisions/117661d1240514769-panasonic-tx-p50x10-screen-reflection-p1060096.jpg)
On that pic, the patttern is most visible on the right side (where the wall is reflected) and at the top left (where the ceiling is reflected). http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/983263-panasonic-tx-p50x10-screen-reflection.html
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Hello to everyone.
I need some info on the energy consumption of the 50" Panasonic plasmas. The specs state 500w for the pv80 and 50C10. I spoke to a saleperson at one of the stores in Shang and he said a plasma TV does not steadily consume electricity at the stated wattage. The power usage depends on the images shown and that the power plasma TV uses is generally lower.
He added that LCD TVs are that ones that use a steady amount of power...so if an LCD's specs read 200w--it uses up 200w all (or probably most of) the time.
I am asking this because I am thinking of getting a 50" Panny plasma to replace a 50" Sammy rear proj. TV. The problem is that my wife will be using that set for cable viewing--around 18hrs non-stop use daily! Naka-babad sa TV eh :-[
Bottom line...is it true that plasmas (more particularly Panasonic) energy consumption run lower than stated specs? Is consumption relative to the pictures shown--meaning brighter pics mean more power used and vice-versa?
I know sobrang luma na to, but LCDs do usually consume less power than similar-sized plasmas.
Yung rated consumption ata is at max brightness, at hindi typical... so whether LCD or Plasma yung actual consumption would probably be much less than the rated power consumption (unless there is a nominal rating).
LCD panels usually consume the most power when displaying black in the highest brightness setting (this may no longer be the case with local dimming backlights). Plasmas consume the most power when displaying white in the highest brightness setting.
Higher resolution plasmas also tend to consume much more power than low resolution variants because the individual cells are smaller and run less efficiently (plus you have more cells to cover for the higher resolution). LCD power consumption ramp-up in relation to resolution isn't usually as steep as plasma displays.
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ibalik ko lang dun sa cross-hatch question. so, should this be a cause for any worry? my pv8 also shows something similar after i turn it off.
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There's no need to worry, since nobody has ever had any problems about the cross-hatch pattern.
Those who notice it on their screens are not bothered by the cross-hatch pattern itself. What really worries them is the thought that it might worsen into something else.
At any rate, nobody knows what's causing it. Some speculate that it's caused by the anti-reflective coating; some say it's an internal glass/filter reflection; and others say it could be a combination of both.
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There's no need to worry, since nobody has ever had any problems about the cross-hatch pattern.
Those who notice it on their screens are not bothered by the cross-hatch pattern itself. What really worries them is the thought that it might worsen into something else.
At any rate, nobody knows what's causing it. Some speculate that it's caused by the anti-reflective coating; some say it's an internal glass/filter reflection; and others say it could be a combination of both.
thanks for the reply, sir. so, i suppose only time will tell. if i may ask further, i suppose this only happens to plasma screens? and is it unique to panasonic plasmas only or to plasmas in general?
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Hi guys, Just want to check if this is the same crosshatch pattern you were talking about. This pattern is visible in some text and in some but not the entire image when watching cable TV. I first noticed this when i saw the crowd shot from afar of a UAAP game.
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I have the 50G10 and I believe it has the AR coating. Thanks for your feedback! :)
That's not the pattern I was talking about. It's what barrister posted. However, I have seen what you are referring to also from watching a UAAP game. I think it has to do with the signal/video quality from the source. I've actually only noticed it in UAAP games and not from any other source or channel so I don't think it's anything to worry about.
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;D
Will check again later with the TV off although so far I have not noticed the pattern when the TV is off and with the lights on. Thanks again!
it's not really that bad when you get to see it. sa pv80 and pv70 esp sa c10 and py800 it's not really much of an issue, dahil during regular viewing you don't get to see them anymore. sa s10 naman the pattern is...how do i say it...hmmm...fater than usual?
on the g11 so far wala naman, but i'll look at it again.
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thanks for the reply, sir. so, i suppose only time will tell. if i may ask further, i suppose this only happens to plasma screens? and is it unique to panasonic plasmas only or to plasmas in general?
Unique to Panasonic plasmas.
The only cross-hatch pattern cases I've read about are on the Panasonic plasmas, starting from the 11th gen models (2008).
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That's not the pattern I was talking about. It's what barrister posted. However, I have seen what you are referring to also from watching a UAAP game. I think it has to do with the signal/video quality from the source. I've actually only noticed it in UAAP games and not from any other source or channel so I don't think it's anything to worry about.
Yup, it looks like it's a different thing altogether. I can see hints of something similar using a Pioneer DVD sending out a 480i signal to the TV. I tried better cables from the Sky Cable digibox to the TV: the picture improved (so the cables are staying) although this artifact still shows up. I'll just ignore it then.
it's not really that bad when you get to see it. sa pv80 and pv70 esp sa c10 and py800 it's not really much of an issue, dahil during regular viewing you don't get to see them anymore. sa s10 naman the pattern is...how do i say it...hmmm...fater than usual?
on the g11 so far wala naman, but i'll look at it again.
I checked, I don't see it on the G10. :)
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guys
i just got a 42x10s last monday. need help on calibration and all. is this a good unit compared to the c10?
so far i have been using the zoom 3 to even out all colors of the screen. im currently doing the 100 hours break in test.
do i need any impt things to do? im just watching dvds and cable. havent tried my ps3 maybe after the break in test.
any chance you guys can teach me the white wash and white blast procedure?
thank you
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Baket parang sa UAAP nahahalata yung cross pattern? I noticed that too. Oddly enough, I notice the black corss patterns especially near the white cross pattern of the net.
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@gaol
not sure, but we can see that pattern when the t.v is off (room lights open) for the pv80, s10, and to a much lighter extent on the c10. i haven't seen that on our g11 though...
oo nga nakikita ko lng yun cross pattern na yan pag naka off ang t.v pro pag bukas khit t.v lng di ko makita yan.
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ibalik ko lang dun sa cross-hatch question. so, should this be a cause for any worry? my pv8 also shows something similar after i turn it off.
i think yun yata ang anti reflective coating dati na yatang na post yan di ko lng maalala kung saan pro di naman apektado ang performance nya same hir i got pv8 nakikita ko rin yan pag naka off pro ok lng pag bukas naman wla eh.
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For the most part, we're generally unimpressed with the S10. The same way we were not blown away with the PY800 shortly after it was released (observations drawn after a 720p panel purchase).
My previous impression of the PY800:
I agree with Clondalkin, it seems the S10 is a stripped down 1080p plasma with very little innovations to offer. The S10 will be a good 1080p plasma purchase provided you're not coming from, or upgrading from a 2008/2007 model.
Based on my experience with Panasonic plasma models, I'll do a run-down from best to "wanting" in-terms of price to performance.
1 Panasonic G11
2 Panasonic C10
3 Panasonic PV80/PV70 - Yes, it's a close tie for me (you'd be very happy with either one)
4 Panasonic PY800
5 Panasonic S10
Just my personal take.
POST UPDATE: If I could backtrack my purchases, I'd surely go without the S10 and the PY800.
Sorry had to transfer my reply here from the previous thread because my follow-up would be OT in the S10 thread.
Anyway, am wondering if I made the right decision in buying the PV80 over the C10. Although they were priced similarly at the time I bought it, and I think I do need the AR of the PV80. Anyway, no regrets pa naman for me and have not yet called the guys at SnS to calibrate the TV for me. Di ko napansin at that time yung X10 because some forums have been saying that both C10 and X10 have no AR. Probably wrong.
In any case, if I go for a 50 inch model, would you think the 30k extra for the G10 is worth it over the C10?
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Sorry had to transfer my reply here from the previous thread because my follow-up would be OT in the S10 thread.
Anyway, am wondering if I made the right decision in buying the PV80 over the C10. Although they were priced similarly at the time I bought it, and I think I do need the AR of the PV80. Anyway, no regrets pa naman for me and have not yet called the guys at SnS to calibrate the TV for me. Di ko napansin at that time yung X10 because some forums have been saying that both C10 and X10 have no AR. Probably wrong.
In any case, if I go for a 50 inch model, would you think the 30k extra for the G10 is worth it over the C10?
The difference between the PV80 and the C10 is marginal. I simply prefer the C10 because of it's reflective screen which pumps out a glossy picture that I really like (Thanks to barrister for pointing this out).
The G11 is, in almost every way better than the C10. Setting aside budget constraints or practicality, anyone should go for the G11 without thought. However, if economics and the aforementioned practicality comes to play, I'd say: The G11 is not 30 thousand pesos better than the C10. ;)