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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: E-reply on May 01, 2012 at 03:26 PM
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Reach out to the PinoyDVD community by posting your opinion of this new PS51E550 3D Plasma Full HDTV.
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PS51E550 card P68,425. PM for cash price.
FREE 2 units eyeglass
Bring home an immersive and spectacular 3D experience. Samsung’s innovative and powerful 3D active shutter glasses deliver full HD 3D viewing. It’s enhanced by Micro Dimming and 3D Auto Contrasting to bring you deeper and clearer 3D images. You’ll even see your 2D content in another dimension using the 3D Converter. These awesome visuals are complemented by cinematic 3D sound, as well as an expansive viewing area with slim bezel for minimum distraction. Enter a spectacular world of Full HD 1080p 3D TV.
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how does this compare to TH-P50UT30S?
any reviews out there for this?
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According to foreign forums, the Sammy is a good TV.
Negatives are the buzzing panel and brightness pops. Audition it and find out if it buzzes or if the buzzing is low enough to be acceptable; and find out if you'll be able to notice any brightness pops.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1402087
http://www.highdefjunkies.com/showthread.php?12494-2012-Samsung-Anticipation-Thread-E550-E6500-E7000-E8000/page7
If those two points will not be an issue for you, then it's going to be a good buy.
As for the Panny 50UT30, it's a good TV and doesn't have any known issues. It's a 2011 model, so you can either go ahead and buy it, or wait for 2012's 50UT50.
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According to foreign forums, the Sammy is a good TV.
Negatives are the buzzing panel and brightness pops. Audition it and find out if it buzzes or if the buzzing is low enough to be acceptable; and find out if you'll be able to notice any brightness pops.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1402087
http://www.highdefjunkies.com/showthread.php?12494-2012-Samsung-Anticipation-Thread-E550-E6500-E7000-E8000/page7
If those two points will not be an issue for you, then it's going to be a good buy.
As for the Panny 50UT30, it's a good TV and doesn't have any known issues. It's a 2011 model, so you can either go ahead and buy it, or wait for 2012's 50UT50.
Great info, barrister. :D
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I saw the PS51D550 (previous version of this plasma tv) on display at sm appliance, and was pretty impressed! :)
I think this one is even better!
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what is the difference between the 51E550 and old 51D550?
Sir vic, how much is the price difference between the 2?
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Ilang watts ang consumo nito?
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This is great! another bang for the buck plasma....
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what is the difference between the 51E550 and old 51D550?
Sir vic, how much is the price difference between the 2?
51E550 has better Micro Dimming and 3D Auto Contrasting to bring you deeper and clearer 3D images.
51E550 P59500. while 51D550 is P56K. :D
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Ilang watts ang consumo nito?
51E550 power consumption maximum at 190watts. Average at 150 watts. :D
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Do you have a promo for this like a free 3d movie?
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Do you have a promo for this like a free 3d movie?
This TV has only free Skype camera. No free 3D movie. :)
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i was already decided in purchasing this unit
the power consumption is just holding me back...
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i was expecting an average of just 200 watts
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i was already decided in purchasing this unit
the power consumption is just holding me back...
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i was expecting an average of just 200 watts
one of the drawbacks of plasma tvs. even panasonic's 42" plasma consumes 300W! :o I guess that's the price to pay for superior motion processing, deep blacks, and no backlight bleeding. ;D
led tvs are the way to go for low power consumption. ;)
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one of the drawbacks of plasma tvs. even panasonic's 42" plasma consumes 300W! :o I guess that's the price to pay for superior motion processing, deep blacks, and no backlight bleeding. ;D
Plasmas don't have superior motion processing (most do not have much motion processing). Plasma panels generally respond faster, which is why they don't suffer from much motion blur or ghosting.
The subfield drive number is just something they boast about, but that has nothing to do with motion response or motion processing. The number sells because consumers don't know what it means and thinks that 600Hz sub field drive means that it's better than a 240Hz or 480Hz LCD, when in fact those numbers are not at all comparable. It's like comparing 600 pesos to 240 bananas.
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one of the drawbacks of plasma tvs. even panasonic's 42" plasma consumes 300W! :o I guess that's the price to pay for superior motion processing, deep blacks, and no backlight bleeding. ;D
led tvs are the way to go for low power consumption. ;)
@Mrk
The tag of 340watts is the maximum. The plasma power consumption varies greatly with picture content, with bright scenes drawing significantly more power than darker ones. Screen that sets on "shop" mode by default draws at least twice the power (around 340 watts) of a "home" setting of less extreme brightness. Therefore, at "home" setting, the average power consumption will be around 170 t0 190 watts. :D
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Sir Vic, how much po per unit of samsung 3d glasses. i need 5, if im going to purchase this this TV i need 3 more
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Samsung PS51E550 product review is now available.
Follow the link to read the review: https://www.hello-pinoy.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=156
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please PM me the price for cash payment
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please PM me the price for cash payment
51E550 at cash P59500. :D
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Interesting.. Just waiting for user reviews before I pull the trigger ;D
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According to foreign forums, the Sammy is a good TV.
Negatives are the buzzing panel and brightness pops. Audition it and find out if it buzzes or if the buzzing is low enough to be acceptable; and find out if you'll be able to notice any brightness pops.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1402087
http://www.highdefjunkies.com/showthread.php?12494-2012-Samsung-Anticipation-Thread-E550-E6500-E7000-E8000/page7
If those two points will not be an issue for you, then it's going to be a good buy.
As for the Panny 50UT30, it's a good TV and doesn't have any known issues. It's a 2011 model, so you can either go ahead and buy it, or wait for 2012's 50UT50.
I'm in the market for plasma TV and I have been considering this model from Samsung.
How do you think this model compared to:
Panasonic TX-P50GT30B
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/TX-P50GT30B/Specification/7037619/index.html?trackInfo=true
and
LG 3D SMART TV 50PM680T
http://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-50PM680T-plasma-tv
Thanks in advance :)
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This review was made by 3wisemen composed of Carlo777, Mokong, and Tuang Ong. Taken from www.hello-pinoy.com
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Samsung has somehow run out of ways to improve design and performance. Take for instance the new PS51E550 3D plasma TV, which looks remarkably like its predecessor ‘D’ series. It has the same one inch of black plastic bezel covered with clear acrylic coating. It has the same sleek charcoal black finished cabinet. It makes one wonder how this new TV range can be proudly called a new TV of a new look.
Although outwardly similar at first glance, the connectivity differences between the ‘D’ and ‘E’ Samsung are easy enough to identify. The E550 has the same Ethernet port, but this time it is for internet support. And instead of a LAN adapter that occupies your much needed USB port, the TV now has built-in wireless LAN. On the negatives, the new E550 crimps on the HDMI into 3 ports instead of 4. It also has taken out the PC D-sub connectivity, which means that the only way for PC connection will be through HDMI routing.
Aside from the added Smart TV functionality, there’s nothing new to this ‘E’ series except for the improved Real Black Panel, which aims to reduce the screen glare / reflection caused by the ambient light. With better control of screen reflection, images are now distraction-free. All the other performance-enhancing features found elsewhere in the D550 are present, and so you'd expect the same micro dimming capability that manages the picture contrast, the same 600Hz Subfield Motion that manages the fast on-screen motion, and of course the Full HD panel that provides pixel-for-pixel compatibility.
TV receptions look good, with smooth motion, vibrant colors and impressive sharpness to edges. A hint of noise is visible at times, but this is fully expected because of some standard definition broadcasts here in our country are still in analog signal conversion.
Switch over to Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows DVD playback, and the Samsung offers striking colors that are expertly balanced and refrained from appearing overcooked, which is a big improvement over D550 that displays quite ruddy color balance. Upscaling the DVD content however reveals motion noises and edginess, which spoils an otherwise-accomplished performance.
Picture from Blu-ray Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows delivers punchy color, crispy defined edges and smooth motion. There's good richness to blacks, though not that prodigious black levels that can dig out every finest detail of the dark movie scenes.
Sound is decent enough, though it could be clearer, but it's worth pointing out that despite of Samsung Auto Volume Leveller, the audio still seems unsatisfying.
All of internet functionality is on board, especially the integrated wireless LAN that gives painless access to net movies, Skype-ready, Facebook, Twitter, ESPN, and YouTube along with around 1500 other applications. The Samsung Smart Hub has something entertaining for everyone in the family – from parents who want to be fit to kids who want to learn.
The 3D effect of IIMAX: Born to Be Wild 3D Blu-rayis breathtaking but it’s not flawless in this department. Converting from standard definition to 3D content is not as crisp as other 3D TVs in the market but it looks fantastic after a few adjustments. 3D movies have minimal crosstalk and high on detail, and the inherent Micro Dimming and 3D Auto Contrasting feature help to bring deeper and better immersive 3D ambience. And yes, the new light weight glasses are far more comfortable and considerably less bulky than those provided by the predecessor ‘D’ series.
There's no doubt the Samsung PS51E550 is among the best 3D plasma around – it may not be immune to motion blurring in extremis, but the bulk of its performance is spot on. Overall, it is absolutely a great TV that will award you the feel of 3D experience without breaking the bank.
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I'm in the market for plasma TV and I have been considering this model from Samsung.
How do you think this model compared to:
Panasonic TX-P50GT30B
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/TX-P50GT30B/Specification/7037619/index.html?trackInfo=true
and
LG 3D SMART TV 50PM680T
http://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-50PM680T-plasma-tv
Thanks in advance :)
Compared to Panasonic TX-P50GT30B & LG 3D SMART TV 50PM680T, I'd go for this Samsung 51E550.
LG is the worst plasma maker, so I'd stay away from LG plasmas.
Panny GT30 is the 2011 model series that is notorious for "green blobs," and its lesser-known issues of "pink tint" and "vertical stripes."
Samsung's 2011 plasma D series was known for brightness pops and buzzing.
Samsung's 2012 E series, according to forums, fixed the 2011 brightness pop issue, but it now has a related problem of flickering during fades to full black. Users speculate that there's a software that turns off the panel for full-black images, but this software has a glitch --- when the image fades to black, the screen flickers just as the fade reaches full black, as if the software was having trouble deciding whether it should turn the panel off or not, so it flickers on, off, on, off, etc., before finally turning off. Unfortunately, the feature cannot be disabled.
Buzzing is still present on Sammy's 2012 E series, but this is not going to be a big issue for me, since buzzing is natural for plasmas. Even the 2012 panasonic NeoPlasmas have it.
I consider the Sammy problems I mentioned as minor ones, so I think you should get the Sammy, since I suspect that you're going to get worse problems with an LG or a 2011 Panny.
Side note --- you'll notice that there are many complaints about 2011 Sammy plasmas here about dead pixels and other durability issues. I haven't seen any similar complaints for the 2012 Sammy plasmas, so I hope they improved on that area this year.
This review was made by 3wisemen composed of Carlo777, Mokong, and Tuang Ong. Taken from www.hello-pinoy.com
Unfortunately, the 3wisemen did not discuss any issue I was interested in.
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Samsung plasma wins CNET's accidental burn-in test
by Ty Pendlebury |June 11, 2012 3:02 PM PDT
... As part of our normal plasma TV test procedure, we loop an industry-standard DVD to simulate normal viewing conditions for 100 hours or more before we calibrate. I set up that loop one afternoon recently after receiving three manufacturer-supplied review samples, a Samsung PN60E6500, a Panasonic TC-P55GT50, and a Panasonic TC-P65VT50, and left for the night. I came back the next morning to find the TVs stuck on the DVD's static title screen, which had been displaying on all three TVs for about 8 hours. Don't try this at home, folks!
... The winner? The Samsung PNE6500, with virtually no image retention at all. Meanwhile both Panasonics were looking much worse for wear.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57449881-221/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test/
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what about the motion performance for this set(51E550)? is it excellent? i've read somewhere that e8000's motion is not really spectacular considering it's samsung flagship plasma.
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what is the difference between the 51E550 and old 51D550?
If i was to compare 51e550 to 51d550 the 51e550 is better . No more brightness pops but there is a slight buzzing sound pero it does not annoy me . Yung internet browser of samsung is responsive tsaka better picture quality . I know this after 3 replacements ng 51d550 pinalitan nila ng 51e550 yung unit ko. The dealbreaker kasi for me sa 51d550 is brightness pops buti wala na sa 51e550 yung issue na to.
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what about the motion performance for this set(51E550)? is it excellent? i've read somewhere that e8000's motion is not really spectacular considering it's samsung flagship plasma.
Average to above average for its price i think acceptable naman siya sometimes pag super bilis ng motion hindi ganon ka smooth .
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Average to above average for its price i think acceptable naman siya sometimes pag super bilis ng motion hindi ganon ka smooth .
does it have trumotion? just to minimize the dragging artifacts a little bit.
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If i was to compare 51e550 to 51d550 the 51e550 is better . No more brightness pops but there is a slight buzzing pero it does not annoy me . Yung internet browser of samsung is responsive tsaka better picture quality . I know this after 3 replacements ng 51d550 pinalitan nila ng 51e550 yung unit ko. The dealbreaker kasi for me sa 51d550 is brightness pops buti wala na sa 51e550 yung issue na to.
We have the same sentiments sir and probably the same experience as well ;D
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We have the same sentiments sir and probably the same experience as well ;D
Please tell us about the operating temperature. Does it run very hot? Does it have an internal cooling fan?
I ask because the display model I saw at SM MOA was very hot to the touch, and it did not seem to have any cooling fans.
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does it have trumotion? just to minimize the dragging artifacts a little bit.
I dont know if may trumotion but yun nga pag sobrang bilis medyo mahahalata mo hindi ganon ka smooth pero for the price I think it can easily compete with panasonic plasma if you consider the price to performance ratio .
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I dont know if may trumotion but yun nga pag sobrang bilis medyo mahahalata mo hindi ganon ka smooth pero for the price I think it can easily compete with panasonic plasma if you consider the price to performance ratio .
I agree with the 3wisemen, who said that 51E550 "may not immune to motion blurring in extremis, but the bulk of its performance is spot on. Overall, it is absolutely a great TV that will award you the feel of 3D experience without breaking the bank." :D :D
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Sir how much yung additional pair of 3d glass?
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Please tell us about the operating temperature. Does it run very hot? Does it have an internal cooling fan?
I ask because the display model I saw at SM MOA was very hot to the touch, and it did not seem to have any cooling fans.
Sorry for the late reply sir barrister. I find it actually cool (at least to my standards)... maybe a little cooler than my D550. I don't think it to be an issue though... I have an LG plasma that is very hot to touch and yet is still working til now. The E550 doesn't have any fans (one of the factors I considered in purchasing as I did not want any extra noise in case a fan goes kaput)
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Thanks!
The display model I saw was very hot. Maybe it was on torch mode at SM MOA, plus the unit was not located on a well-ventilated area.
I don't like cooling fans. If the unit has cooling fans, that's an indication that it cannot run properly without the fans. If even one of the fans fails, that's going to be a problem. And it's unlikely that the user will notice when a fan suddenly stops working.
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Thanks!
The display model I saw was very hot. Maybe it was on torch mode at SM MOA, plus the unit was not located on a well-ventilated area.
I don't like cooling fans. If the unit has cooling fans, that's an indication that it cannot run properly without the fans. If even one of the fans fails, that's going to be a problem. And it's unlikely that the user will notice when a fan suddenly stops working.
I agree sir.
update on my E550 testing:
-No brightness pops so far (and yes this is the priority concern that bothered me in the D series ;D )
-Blacks are a little better and there were less reflections compared to the D550 I had before (the panasonic st30's were better in both aspects though). It may not be straightly apparent but the E series also have the real black filter that some people at avforums say are equivalent to the filter the E7000's of last year had.
-The fade to black shut off, though sometimes mentioned in foreign forums, doesn't bother me at all (maybe I'm just too happy to get rid of the brightness pops, I don't know). I kind of like it at times when there are long fades and the screen shuts off there is complete darkness in my room and all I see are the digital displays on my other devices. I find it fast enough and not an issue for me... I'm not sure how important this is for others though. I did find that raising brightness to 46 and at least a contrast of 95 will prevent this from happening.... but those settings are too high for my room when calibrated with spears and munsil calibration disc... plus I like the total blackout effect sometimes :)
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-The fade to black shut off, though sometimes mentioned in foreign forums, doesn't bother me at all (maybe I'm just too happy to get rid of the brightness pops, I don't know). I kind of like it at times when there are long fades and the screen shuts off there is complete darkness in my room and all I see are the digital displays on my other devices. I find it fast enough and not an issue for me...
The problem is not the fade-to-black shut-off, but the flicker before it goes completely black.
If the screen shuts off after a fade to black, then the Sammy is doing that by design. Some are OK with it; others are not.
The problem is that the auto shut-off does not always work properly. Sometimes the software gets confused and can't decide if it wants to shut off or not. When that happens, the screen flickers on, off, on again, off again, etc., until it finally turns off. That behavior is much more jarring than one single shut-off on fade-to-black.
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The problem is not the fade-to-black shut-off, but the flicker before it goes completely black.
If the screen shuts off after a fade to black, then the Sammy is doing that by design. Some are OK with it; others are not.
The problem is that the auto shut-off does not always work properly. Sometimes the software gets confused and can't decide if it wants to shut off or not. When that happens, the screen flickers on, off, on again, off again, etc., until it finally turns off. That behavior is much more jarring that one single shut-off on fade-to-black.
Yes you are right there are people sensitive to that and may be affected. It is by design according to a sammy tech I talked to when I had my tv installed. So far I've only tried 2 movies where it had the "couldn't decide" flicker. I don't find it jarring (I am sensitive to brightness pops) but it may be an issue for some. Anyway, like I said, there is a setting for brightness and contrast that overrides this and those settings are probably what most people would use in the average environment. I tested it and it works.
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Sir how much yung additional pair of 3d glass?
Eyeglass at p999. each.
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Eyeglass at p999. each.
Sir Vic, do you also have the ssg-3050 glasses (the ones from the D series)? I prefer that over the 4100 included in the 2012 models.
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Sir Vic, do you also have the ssg-3050 glasses (the ones from the D series)? I prefer that over the 4100 included in the 2012 models.
Samsung ssg-3050 glasses is P995. each. :D
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Sir Vic, does SnS have this model (51E550)? If yes, how much? Thanks.
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Sir Vic, does SnS have this model (51E550)? If yes, how much? Thanks.
Available Samsung PS51E550 P59,500. FREE 2 eyeglasses inside the box. :D
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Samsung Plasma HOLLOWEEN SALE
PS51E550 P56,400. free hte453 and skype camera
PS51E450 P35,300. free hte330
PS43E450 P24,800. free hte320
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P56,400 is very hard to resist... ;)
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Hi sir barrister,
got myself a 51e550 can't wait for the ST50 so instead i go for this one ;D
this shot is from Cignal NBA HD premium, i believe their box is only capable at 720p. Tried to set at 1080i w/c is their full rez. and the result is not good specifically the motion. The tv's deinterlaced algorithm(auto1 or auto2) can't keep up with cignal's hd box. I guess the fault is the Cignal's HD box so with that i set the hd box resolution down to 720p for better hd overall.
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btw i don't bother with the calibration i just set this tv and my samsung bluray and dvd player to BD Wise and this BD Wise we'll set my e550 to optimal settings automatically w/c is really kewl, plug and play if i may say so hehehe...
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Thanks for the post! I think the Sammy 51E550 is a good TV.
Panny ST50 has better black levels, and those blacks can set the ST50 way ahead of the E550. However, it's not that easy to decide in favor of the ST50 because it has a screen uniformity problem (vertical banding) that has no solution in sight.
The E550 has much better screen uniformity, but it has brightness pops and fade-to-black flicker. They say the brightness pops of the 2011 model (D550) was reduced in this 2012 model, so it should be hardly noticeable in the E550. As for the fade-to-black flicker, sir riven says a brightness setting of at least 46 eliminates the problem.
HDTVtest says the Samsung E6500 plasma has non-defeatable noise reduction for the digtal TV broadcast inputs.
It appears that the Samsung PS60E6500 has MPEG noise reduction running at all times on the digital TV tuner inputs, which smooths over visible block edge “tiling” artefacts. Frankly, given the quality of Samsung’s processing and the over-compressed nature of digital TV (and the overworked MPEG-2 codec used for standard def), we think this is a good thing. This processing is done in a way which doesn’t cause “watercolour painting” artefacts like poorer spatial filtering processes do, it’s very well implemented. You shouldn’t expect SD digital TV broadcasts to look sharp – but they are at least strangely pleasing and as artefact free as they could possibly be, which isn’t bad going for a screen of this size.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps60e6500-ps51e6500-201207262022.htm?page=Performance (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps60e6500-ps51e6500-201207262022.htm?page=Performance)
Too bad the site doesn't have a review for the E550, but I suspect that the E6500's always-on noise reduction for HD broadcast is also present on the E550. Maybe that's why you're seeing artificially-smoothed motion.
Good thing noise reduction for BD sources can be turned off on the E6500, so I hope the same is true for the E550.
I read somewhere that last year's Sammy plasma had a bug in the noise reduction filter, where the noise filter remains on for BD sources even if you set it to "off." Does your 51E550 correctly turn off the noise filter when set to "off"?
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yes the noise filter can be turn off while i'm watching bluray sources. i'm pretty sure coz i could see the granular artifacts of the film when i turn off those 2 noise filters(DN and the MPEG filter) but when i'm watching SD materials(DVD) i should activate these filters to minimize those pesky mosquito noise and same as goes when i'm watching HD materials coming from my Cignal HD box, their HD materials are not really smooth to watch that's what i observed, well as you can see the screenshot above it is somewhat over smooth but it's better rather than to have a jagged image. BTW samsung BD wise would make the noise filters turn on but as i said i rather turn this ON when i'm watching SD sources.
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btw folks i'm just wondering why we don't have series 6 and 7 PDP here in our country?
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yes the noise filter can be turn off while i'm watching bluray sources. i'm pretty sure coz i could see the granular artifacts of the film when i turn off those 2 noise filters(DN and the MPEG filter) but when i'm watching SD materials(DVD) i should activate these filters to minimize those pesky mosquito noise and same as goes when i'm watching HD materials coming from my Cignal HD box, their HD materials are not really smooth to watch that's what i observed, well as you can see the screenshot above it is somewhat over smooth but it's better rather than to have a jagged image. BTW samsung BD wise would make the noise filters turn on but as i said i rather turn this ON when i'm watching SD sources.
Thanks for the quick reply.
I hate DNR, so the info is important to me.
btw folks i'm just wondering why we don't have series 6 and 7 PDP here in our country?
Maybe it's just marketing strategy due to lower Philippine sales. I suspect the strategy is to limit to 3 brackets --- low-end (series 4); mid-end (series 5); and high-end (series 8 ).
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Sammy 2012 plasma (E8000) ABL discussion (Automatic Brightness Limiter, which causes the "brightness pops"):
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1416080/samsung-e8000-abl-function (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1416080/samsung-e8000-abl-function)
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would like to have series 7, series 8(motion, voice and face recognition) is pretty much ridiculous for me hehehe, about the brightness pops and the local dimming anomaly of E550 well so far i haven't experienced yet, my e550 is just only 1-week old.
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Regarding the brightness pops on the 550, avforums (UK) member LeeDicko suggests viewing this video test on fullscreen --- Gnarls Barkley music video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w)
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1626953-samsung-ps51e550-owners-thread-18.html#post17758000 (http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1626953-samsung-ps51e550-owners-thread-18.html#post17758000)
I'd appreciate it if you can try it out and tell us what you observe.
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thanks barrister we'll try this one tonight we'll keep u posted.
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barrister, i play your link last night using the tv's browser and i swear there was no brightness pops, flickering whatsoever the transition from white to black and back was so smooth. My firmware version is 001014 i'm pretty sure this is the latest version since the tv is smart enough, it will update automatically once you connect it to the network. so make the purchase nah ahehehehe.... i tried to wait for ST50 but the friendly price of e550 can't be ignored besides e550 picture quality is gorgeous to look at. i got no regrets when i bought this tv.
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panasonic philippines their plasma bizness strategy is really lame case example me, they make me wait for 5 or 8 months in the end samsung's e550 wins my wallet hehehe... she was just sitting there all along at the display window pumping out those gorgeous images whenever i take a walk at my local shopping mall. for 8 months i ignored her until last week she offer me a deal that i can't just disregard. i finally say yes to her lol... no wonder panasonic display bizness is finally closing shop. ;D
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barrister, i play your link last night using the tv's browser and i swear there was no brightness pops, flickering whatsoever the transition from white to black and back was so smooth.
Thanks for this!
But there's one thing you didn't clarify --- did you display the video in fullscreen mode? The test would not work if it's only displayed in a small window. Does the Samsung browser allow YouTube vids to be selected in fullscreen mode?
so make the purchase nah ahehehehe.... i tried to wait for ST50 but the friendly price of e550 can't be ignored besides e550 picture quality is gorgeous to look at. i got no regrets when i bought this tv.
Yes, i think I'll buy one. It's easy to decide because it's so cheap.
I've been waiting for the 50UT50 or 50ST50 since Feb. 2012. That's a long wait for TV models that have vertical banding, quick-onset IR, and bad line bleed.
I'm guessing there's a workaround for the Samsung brightness pop. Maybe a lower cell light setting will eliminate it.
But for the Panasonic vertical banding, quick-onset IR, and bad line bleed? I doubt if there can be any possible workaround for that.
panasonic philippines their plasma bizness strategy is really lame case example me, they make me wait for 5 or 8 months in the end samsung's e550 wins my wallet hehehe... she was just sitting there all along at the display window pumping out those gorgeous images whenever i take a walk at my local shopping mall. for 8 months i ignored her until last week she offer me a deal that i can't just disregard. i finally say yes to her lol... no wonder panasonic display bizness is finally closing shop. ;D
No, the Panasonic international display business will not be closing down. I'm 100% sure of that.
But will Panasonic Philippines phase out its local TV distribution division? Maybe, judging from Panasonic Phils' performance. If not, well I think they should, and the sooner the better ... :D
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barrister, yes it was display in fullscreen mode. the tv was set in movie mode(using CNET katzmeir's settings)
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Thanks again!
It looks like I have nothing to worry about... ;)
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Thanks again!
It looks like I have nothing to worry about... ;)
bright pops cud come out if we set the tv's picture mode into torch(dynamic) setting but whose plasma lovers wud like dat picture mode? lol..we'll anyway if you finally get the tv do keep us posted here and looks like the 50 ST50 will be nxt yr. pah, but i dont care anymore hehehe..
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Hi! ..It's been a while since i posted in this thread hehe.... glad to know we have another 51e550 owner.
Hello sir barrister! How's your tv hunting going?
As for my unit... after a few months, I'm glad to report that I have not experienced any brightness pops. My settings in my dark room are as follows (calibrated with spears and munsil bd):
picture mode = cinema
cell light = 18
brightness = 43 / for 3D = 46
color = 51
cinema smooth = on
sharpness = 20
All Noise Reduction = off
I did find that the transitions from light to dark to off are quite smooth now... though I don't know if it's because my eyes have just adjusted themselves to the process. I do like the pitch black environment when it does that :D
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Hello sir barrister! How's your tv hunting going?
I have a reservation at Sights and Sounds Shang for a 51E550.
I did find that the transitions from light to dark to off are quite smooth now... though I don't know if it's because my eyes have just adjusted themselves to the process. I do like the pitch black environment when it does that :D
You said you sometimes experience fade-to-black flicker when brightness is set to less than 46. You mean that at a 43 brightness, you still have fade-to-black shut-off, but no more fade-to-black flicker?
As for my unit... after a few months, I'm glad to report that I have not experienced any brightness pops. My settings in my dark room are as follows (calibrated with spears and munsil bd):
picture mode = cinema
cell light = 18
brightness = 43 / for 3D = 46
color = 51
cinema smooth = on
sharpness = 20
All Noise Reduction = off
Thanks for posting the settings.
Here's how HDTVtest describes the pop behavior:
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Samsung-PS60E6500/abl.png)
When on-screen image brightness goes from bright to dark, transition is not smooth. But when image brightness goes from dark to bright, transition is smooth.
The tested TV was a 60E6500, although I suppose a 51E550 will behave in exactly the same way.
(Note: Brightness pop is different from fade-to-black flicker, since the fade-to-black flicker happens at lowest luminance, while brightness pops happen at high luminance.)
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps60e6500-ps51e6500-201207262022.htm?page=Performance (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps60e6500-ps51e6500-201207262022.htm?page=Performance)
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hi folks i'm just wondering my e550 don't have that cinema smooth all i had is a film mode, am i missing something here?
oops i got it now ahehehe...to engage it you source must be in 24p. ^-^
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You had me worried there for a second...
AFAIK, Cinema Smooth renders 24p in 96Hz frequency, which is a great feature if you're particular about film motion cadence.
In 2012 Panasonic plasmas, only the VT50 is 96Hz-capable; all others can only do 60Hz which is OK, or 48Hz which produces unacceptable flicker.
On the other hand, Samsung has 96Hz-capable lower-end plasmas, which is pretty hard to beat. The Sammy 2011 series had obviously lighter black levels when Cinema Smooth (96Hz) is engaged. This year's 2012 series fixed the problem.
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In 2012 Panasonic plasmas, only the VT50 is 96Hz-capable; all others can only do 60Hz which is OK, or 48Hz which produces unacceptable flicker.
So it means the ST50 is not 96hz. capable?
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Sir barrister,
At 46, I don't have the fade to black shut-off nor the flicker... at 43, I do have the shutoff but I don't notice the flicker (I don't know I may not be as sensitive) but as per my past experience, I only noticed this flicker on Inception where there are many transitions from light to dark and vice versa.
43 is the right calibration setting in my environment and I do like the shut-offs on my end... though there are some on forums that don't. Had to raise to 46 for 3D settings to compensate for the darkening effect of the glasses (checked this by calibrating in 3D mode).
It should be noted that in avs forum some claim that the blacks improve when cinema smooth is engaged, unlike in my previous D550 where it becomes slightly worse.
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So it means the ST50 is not 96hz. capable?
I think so. I'm not 100% sure, but that's what I remember reading on the net.
Sir barrister,
At 46, I don't have the fade to black shut-off nor the flicker... at 43, I do have the shutoff but I don't notice the flicker (I don't know I may not be as sensitive) but as per my past experience, I only noticed this flicker on Inception where there are many transitions from light to dark and vice versa.
43 is the right calibration setting in my environment and I do like the shut-offs on my end... though there are some on forums that don't. Had to raise to 46 for 3D settings to compensate for the darkening effect of the glasses (checked this by calibrating in 3D mode).
Thanks for the info. I'll check on my unit, which is supposed to arrive today.
It should be noted that in avs forum some claim that the blacks improve when cinema smooth is engaged, unlike in my previous D550 where it becomes slightly worse.
That's interesting. I thought black levels can't be darker at 96Hz, considering that a faster frequency means a faster flicker, which means the pixel has to be lighted more frequently. --- Maybe not... :-[
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I tried looking for the articles where I previously read that in the 2012 Panny plasma line, only the VT50 can do 96HZ.
Here's what I found so far:
The ST50 is missing the THX mode and dual-core processor of the GT50, but otherwise their feature sets are very similar. Unlike the step-up VT50, it lacks a 96Hz refresh rate, but according to our test, the ST50 still delivered proper film cadence on 1080p/24 sources anyway (I wouldn't be surprised if the VT50 performed better in other ways, however).
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50st50/4505-6482_7-35117941.html (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50st50/4505-6482_7-35117941.html)
The VT50 is the only Viera plasma TV to receive a 96 Hz Cinema mode, which is designed to be natively compatible with the 24 FPS frame rate that movies are shot in.
http://tv.bestcovery.com/panasonic-viera-tc-p55vt50-3d-plasma-tv (http://tv.bestcovery.com/panasonic-viera-tc-p55vt50-3d-plasma-tv)
Another feature found on higher-end Pannys that’s missing from the ST50 line is a 96-Hz display option for watching 24p content on Blu-ray Disc. What you do get is the choice to display 24p with either a 60-Hz or 48-Hz refresh rate, although the fairly serious level of image flicker generated by the 48-Hz setting makes it all but unusable.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/test-report-panasonic-tc-p55st50-3d-plasma-hdtv?page=0,1 (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/test-report-panasonic-tc-p55st50-3d-plasma-hdtv?page=0,1)
But here's a forum post implying that the Euro version ST50 has 96Hz:
The reason why the Euro ST50 mll measured so low was because it was in 96 HZ mode for the testing. 48 Hz and 96 Hz Panny modes always have lower Mll's, so expect the 65VT50 to have an even lower Mll at 96HZ than the European ST50
http://www.highdefjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=12921&page=16 (http://www.highdefjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=12921&page=16)
Also, look at the HDTVtest.co.uk digram I posted on my Reply #61 above. On the bottom, it says, "Panasonic TX-P50ST50 96Hz"
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are plasmas prone to judder (hope this is the correct term) yung parang naiiwan yung picture pagmabilis ang palabas.. i just notice this while viewing some tvs in the malls including this model
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That's not judder. Ang judder, yung motion ay choppy or jerky instead of smooth. Motion blur siguro yung sinasabi mo sir.
Kung motion cadence ang topic, mas magaling ang plasma sa LCD/LED.
Nakita ko rin ang 51E550 sa SM Greenhills, external media player ang gamit, grabeng jerky ng motion, parang Blu-ray copy na dibidi... :D . Sabi ko sa clerk, gawin niyang makinis ang motion, hindi niya kaya. Siguradong yung source video ang problema, kasi this TV has very good motion cadence.
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we will not know for sure if the st50 is a 96hz panel until it arrives here in pinas.
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That's not judder. Ang judder, yung motion ay choppy or jerky instead of smooth. Motion blur siguro yung sinasabi mo sir.
Kung motion cadence ang topic, mas magaling ang plasma sa LCD/LED.
judder nga mali lang ang pagkadescribed ko...i saw it together with led tvs...kung source bakit yung led and lcd walang judder or mas less yung judder kay sa plasma eh pareho lang yung source? baka mas nakkapag adapt sa panit na source yung led na displayed together with the plasma?
Nakita ko rin ang 51E550 sa SM Greenhills, external media player ang gamit, grabeng jerky ng motion, parang Blu-ray copy na dibidi... :D . Sabi ko sa clerk, gawin niyang makinis ang motion, hindi niya kaya. Siguradong yung source video ang problema, kasi this TV has very good motion cadence.
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judder nga mali lang ang pagkadescribed ko...i saw it together with led tvs...kung source bakit yung led and lcd walang judder or mas less yung judder kay sa plasma eh pareho lang yung source? baka mas nakkapag adapt sa panit na source yung led na displayed together with the plasma?
Iba-iba lang siguro ang TV settings.
May setting na tamang motion cadence, yung may natural judder ng film in 24p. May setting na 120Hz or 240Hz --- very smooth motion but unnatural for film-based 24p movies, parang naging Handycam home video --- baka ito ang setting na nakita mo sa LED. Puwede ring 24p source na naka 60p setting --- may konting cadence error due to the 2-3 pulldown process --- baka ito ang nakita mo sa plasma.
No need to worry. I assure you, I'm very particular about motion cadence. Ang masasabi ko, basta tama ang TV settings, pare-pareho lang na ayos ang motion, kahit LED/LCD or plasma.
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Just to complete the discussion:
I don't know if any player or TV can render both 23.976p and true 24p properly. AFAIK, TVs and BD players can only do 23.976 (yung sinasabi ng TVs and players na "24p" is really 23.976p, not true 24p); media players can only do either but not both (yung sinasabi ng media players na "24p" usually means 23.976p, but some media player brands mean true 24p). Pag may error sa 23.976p vs true 24p, iba naman ang behavior --- nagkakaroon ng skip every 41 secs.
http://community.wdc.com/t5/WD-TV-Live-Streaming-Firmware/Mkv-stutter-judder-disgusting-behaviour/td-p/407040 (http://community.wdc.com/t5/WD-TV-Live-Streaming-Firmware/Mkv-stutter-judder-disgusting-behaviour/td-p/407040)
http://forum.popbox.com/showthread.php?tid=1584 (http://forum.popbox.com/showthread.php?tid=1584)
http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php?topic=9013.0 (http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php?topic=9013.0)
http://www.acryan.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1406 (http://www.acryan.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1406)
True 24p titles are rare, so if you want to test it, try Blitz (2011, Jason Statham):
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BGup0Nx5L._SL500_SS75_.jpg)
Baka sakaling may mag comment sa 23.976p vs 24p issue. AFAIK, I'm the only one who has discussed it. Nobody else seems to be interested.
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My Sammy 51E550 is still in the break-in process, so I can only give my preliminary impressions.
Aesthetics:
This TV has the good looks typical of Sammy designs. Thankfully, it has the rectangular pedestal which I prefer over the spider pedestal of Sammy's higher-end plasmas.
What I don't like about the pedestal is that it has a translucent neck. The pedestal neck is supposed to hide the wires coming from the TV, but this model lets you see those wires, which is not a good idea.
The base + neck of the pedestal and the frame/bezel are all made of clear, thick plastic. There's a black backing behind the clear plastic so that the frame and pedestal will look like they're in piano black finish, yet at the same time prevents fingerprints and smudges from being as noticeable as they would be on plain black gloss plastic. The black backing stops just before it reaches the edges, so you get a modern-looking clear trim on the edges. The reason why the pedestal neck is translucent is because there's no black backing on the neck.
The steel back panel is unusually thin. Poke it with your finger and it wobbles. It seems like a very thin-gauge steel sheet. The flimsy material at the back makes you wonder if the glass on the front panel is also paper-thin, considering that there are a lot of reports about spontaneously-cracking Sammy plasma glass.
Picture:
Picture quality is better than I expected. Black levels will not match Panny's 2012 1080p plasmas, that's for sure. But black level on this Sammy is good enough, in fact slightly better than the 2009 Panny 50C10 that it replaced, which already had good blacks.
Colors are very accurate out of the box. I tried a preliminary color and tint calibration for a few minutes, but I found that default color and tint were already correct.
Cell light is too bright for me, so I made a preliminary setting of 15 (out of 20). However, 3D really needs a cell light setting of 20 to compensate for the darkness of the 3D glasses.
Setting all noise reduction to off and raising sharpness to 40 (out of 100) gives a very sharp but natural picture, which allows me to see the film grain structure on film-based movies while avoiding edge-enhancement halos. Dithering is not visible at normal viewing distance; however, it is visible when you're too close to the screen, which is normal for plasmas. Posterization (color banding) is lower on this TV than on my old Panny, which is new to me, since I've already gotten used to slight posterization on Pannys.
I ran my "I, Robot" BD scene for my "green ghosting' or "green phosphor lag" test, and the good news is that I can't see any green ghost at all. On my old Panny, I can still see green ghosting if look hard enough, but I see no green ghosts on this TV at all. I find it hard to believe that the phosphor formula on this TV has perfected the speeds of the green and blue, so maybe a user with more sensitive eyes will still see green ghosting. But as for me, the green phosphor on the Sammy responds fast enough to be a non-issue.
Motion cadence is very good. Motion Interpolation is not available. Playing a 23.976 fps video (also called "24p" in shorthand) on a regular (default) setting, you get 60p cadence with a 2-3 pulldown. Not bad, but not good enough in 2012. Set to Cinema Smooth and you get 23.976 fps in 96Hz frequency, which is just excellent --- still has the natural judder of 24p film, without cadence error judder.
I can't figure out how you play 23.976 fps in 60Hz frequency without pulldown, so I'm assuming that 60Hz will only render in 60p cadence, with 2-3 pulldown. Not good enough. That's old tech, the way DVD renders in 2-3 pulldown, complete with motion cadence errors.
I think this TV needs some time to settle. The picture looks like it's getting better with use. Out of the box, film-based movies did not look too natural, similar to an LED TV. After a couple of days, film-based movies now look more like film, just as a proper plasma should render it. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what changed, but I have a feeling that black levels improved slightly, and color intensity reduced slightly.
Sound:
The sound on the built-in speakers is terrible, as expected. It's the typical tinny sound of today's flat panels. No surprises there... :P
A minor note is the slower picture processing speed. I'm very particular with sound sync, and I observed that there's a noticeable sound delay on my external 5.1 sound system. With my old TV, audio delay on the AV Receiver was set to 27ms. On this TV, I now have the AV Receiver audio delay set to 80ms.
Known Issues/Potential Issues:
Temperature is OK. I was worried because it doesn't have cooling fans, and I saw this model running hot at SM MOA. That unit was not properly ventilated, and of course, it was running in torch mode. But it really runs cool as long as there's proper ventilation. No problems in an airconditioned room; no problems without air con if there's proper ventialtion.
There's no external filter on the screen, so this TV will have reflections when viewed in a bright room.
I expected buzzing, but I was relieved to find that I can't hear any buzzing, which was surprising. No buzzing, not even with a full-white signal on-screen, not even from the rear of the TV. Maybe my old ears have gone bad... ???
Fade-to-black shut-off is present, unfortunately. This TV shuts off the panel light when a totally black picture is on-screen. Try the start of the Lord of the Rings Part I with subtitles on. It starts with a black screen while Cate Blanchett narrates. The screen shuts off, then turns on when subtitles appear, then shuts off again when subtitles disappear, and so on. Really annoying. There's no "off" option for the shut-off feature, but there is a workaround. On my unit, setting brightness to a minimum of 45 (the default position) disables the shut-off feature. Fortunately, 45 or 46 brightness is a good setting.
I was under the impression that this TV was IR-proof because of this article: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57449881-221/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test/ (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57449881-221/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test/) --- NOT. I can see IR from black bars or from simply staying in the menus too long. But it's true that it's a non-issue because IR quickly disappears in minutes, sometimes even seconds.
Phosphor burn --- no worries. No plasma has had burn issues for several years.
Screen uniformity --- not perfect on plain white or light-colored slides. But I can't see any DSE (dirty screen effect) whatsoever on ordinary program material. Very good uniformity, much better than my old Panny, where I can see some very slight DSE on program content if I looked hard enough.
Brightness pops --- I still haven't seen it. I'm sure it's there, so I'll just post as soon as I see it.
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Great initial review sir barrister! Now I'm seriously thinking of buying this tv. Does it have a 41in version?
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I think the E550 in the Phils. comes only in the 51" size.
Regular plasma sizes are 42' and 50". Sammy calls its plasma "+1" because it comes in 43" and 51" sizes.
AFAIK, 43" Sammy plasmas are only available in the 720p models (series 4):
http://www.samsung.com/ph/consumer/tv-audio-video/tv/plasma-tv (http://www.samsung.com/ph/consumer/tv-audio-video/tv/plasma-tv)
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sir barrister good to hear you, i think you are happy with your new e550 hehehe...i don't care much of the stand quality since i put my e550 into the wall. i'm curious about your sharpness setting to 40 mine here is set to zero i'm gonna try this one.
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Sharpness calibration patterns don't work for me, so I just set sharpness based on actual Blu-ray movies.
Sharpness at 0 is just not sharp enough for me. My rule is to start at maximum sharpness, then reduce until contrasty edges look natural, without artificial "ringing."
(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9429/2001ee4mv8.png)
Left --- sharper but with obvious edge ringing; Right --- less sharp but with more natural edges
I used "The Island" BD (Phil. Region A) to set sharpness. It's sharp as a tack.
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that a very good example about how sharpness works...mine is set to 40 now and you are right the image is better now. :)
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I think I've figured out which settings work for disabling the black shut-off feature on this TV.
Black shut-off is disabled at 45 Brightness, if:
1. Contrast is at least 51;
2. Black Tone is at least off; and
3. Gamma is at least 0.
If Contrast, Black Tone or Gamma is set lower than those minimums, black shut-off is enabled at 45 Brightness. Cell Light does not affect black shut-off trigger.
Samsung should just give us an option to disable the black shut-off via firmware update.
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can I use this plasma for ps3 gaming?
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Yes.
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I was expecting the infamous Sammy brightness pops when reading reviews from Avsforums before purchasing but luckily, I got none! However, I'm definitely hit with the buzzing sound. And as with buzzing PDP plasmas, it still buzzes even when turned off (you'd have to pull the plug for it to completely stop). Thinking of sending it for warranty replacement or simply live with it as it buzzes at random intervals.
But PQ is definitely up-par with the best. Blacks might not level Panasonic's flagship or even their ST series but heck, I'm happy. For 49k as a standalone unit, this is pretty excellent for the price-performance.
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Why not try a replacement. You might get lucky with the 2nd unit.
If you bought it from Sights and Sounds, they allow you to test the replacement unit in-store before you approve delivery. Test it thoroughly for buzz so that you can save yourself the bother of replacing with another buzzing unit.
As for the brightness pops, nobody in this thread has reported having it, which is a good sign.
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has anyone had network (wired and wireless) connection issues after upgrading firmware to 1014.3? the tv can no longer detect my wireless router or connect via wired. :(
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I just finished my 100-hour break-in procedure using aerial broadcast GMA 7, zoomed to crop out the station logos, 10 hours a day for 10 days.
Here's the TV:
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/442/img3379a.jpg)
Screen is not perfectly uniform. DSE ("dirty screen effect") is visible on white and light gray slides as a slight green blob near the center, slight pink shades on the sides, and a slight horizontal line near the bottom.
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Using a 100% white test pattern:
(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/2429/img3386j.jpg)
80% gray:
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5371/img3422e.jpg)
The horizontal line near the bottom is more visible here. It's located below the printed "80%" mark. (Note: the other horizontal lines are not DSE, they're just screen flicker captured by the camera shutter)
With regular content, the DSE is practically invisible:
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1447/img3442h.jpg)
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Settings (Dark Room):
Picture Mode: Movie
Cell Light: 10
Contrast: 70
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 40
Color: 50
Tint: 50-50
Black Tone: Off
Gamma: 0
Color Space: Native
Color Tone: Warm 2
Film Mode: CinemaSmooth (1080p24, 96Hz)
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51E550 calibration settings from televisioninfo.com:
http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-PN51E550D1-3D-Smart-Plasma-HDTV-Review/Calibration.htm (http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-PN51E550D1-3D-Smart-Plasma-HDTV-Review/Calibration.htm)
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Is it really recommended to break-in Sammy plasmas?
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I recommend a break-in for any phosphor-based display, not just Sammy plasmas.
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What is the price of this unit now? Thanks
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What is the price of this unit now? Thanks
around 50k without the free HTIB. ;)
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@ barrister
Hi chief satisfied ka ba sa performance ng unit? Ok naman un 3d niya? Pinagpipilian ko kasi eto at 51e8000
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@ barrister
Hi chief satisfied ka ba sa performance ng unit? Ok naman un 3d niya? Pinagpipilian ko kasi eto at 51e8000
Magkano po yung 51e8000?
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@ barrister
Hi chief satisfied ka ba sa performance ng unit? Ok naman un 3d niya? Pinagpipilian ko kasi eto at 51e8000
Yes, very happy with the 51E550.
SBS 3D media lang ang na-test ko, and it works well. Sequential 3D Blu-ray should be a bit better, but I don't have a 3D Blu-ray player.
The 2012 Sammy plasmas use bluetooth for active 3D sync, and I've never had any problem connecting and synchronizing. Just push the button on the glasses and it connects and syncs immediately. Whether you move up close to the TV, or go to the sides of the TV, or somebody walks in front of the TV --- it's still synched.
I tried Prometheus 3D (nice!); Hugo 3D (also nice); Final Destination 5 3D (great!); IMAX Under the Sea 3D (astounding!) Tron Legacy 3D (not good); IMAX Hubble 3D (not good, made me dizzy).
Samsung has very good 3D capability, maybe slightly better than the Panasonic. TelevisionInfo says the top Sammy 2012 plasma is slightly better than the top Panny 2012 plasma as regards 3D ghosting issues:
http://www.televisioninfo.com/News/Head-to-Head-Panasonic-VT50-Vs-Samsung-E8000.htm (http://www.televisioninfo.com/News/Head-to-Head-Panasonic-VT50-Vs-Samsung-E8000.htm)
Forget about 3D on Panny's 2011 VT30 --- it uses infra-red, not bluetooth.
However, none of the current TVs can produce 3D as well as the movie theaters. 3D is a lot of fun --- until the novelty wears off... :D . After that, 2D viewing remains king.
But still, it's reassuring to know that your HT is 3D-capable, just in case you suddenly feel the urge to watch the occasional 3D flick.
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Re: Great PRICE ADJUSTMENT OF PLASMA / LCD / LED TVs and PROJ. at Sights and Sounds!
« Reply #2119 on: Nov 05, 2012 at 04:33 PM »
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Quote from: Dennis818 on Oct 31, 2012 at 12:15 PM
How much is the Samsung 51E8000 with only the 3D glasses?
Samsung 51E8000 with only the 3D glasses at P70K.
Magkano po yung 51e8000?
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Thanks chief! Malaki rin kasi ang price difference ng dalawa. Was suppose to buy vt30 initially pero after reading your posts naiba isip ko
Yes, very happy with the 51E550.
SBS 3D media lang ang na-test ko, and it works well. Sequential 3D Blu-ray should be a bit better, but I don't have a 3D Blu-ray player.
The 2012 Sammy plasmas use bluetooth for active 3D sync, and I've never had any problem connecting and synchronizing. Just push the button on the glasses and it connects and syncs immediately. Whether you move up close to the TV, or go to the sides of the TV, or somebody walks in front of the TV --- it's still synched.
I tried Prometheus 3D (nice!); Hugo (also nice); Final Destination 5 3D (great!); IMAX Under the Sea 3D (astounding!) Tron Legacy 3D (not good); IMAX Hubble 3D (not good, made me dizzy).
Samsung has very good 3D capability, maybe slightly better than the Panasonic. TelevisionInfo says the top Sammy 2012 plasma is slightly better than the top Panny 2012 plasma as regards 3D ghosting issues:
http://www.televisioninfo.com/News/Head-to-Head-Panasonic-VT50-Vs-Samsung-E8000.htm (http://www.televisioninfo.com/News/Head-to-Head-Panasonic-VT50-Vs-Samsung-E8000.htm)
Forget about 3D on Panny's 2011 VT30 --- it uses infra-red, not bluetooth.
However, none of the current TVs can produce 3D as well as the movie theaters. 3D is a lot of fun --- until the novelty wears off... :D . After that, 2D viewing remains king.
But still, it's reassuring to know that your HT is 3D-capable, just in case you suddenly feel the urge to watch the occasional 3D flick.
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Hi, Any feedback/review re Samsung 51E8000 Plasma TV?
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I tried Prometheus 3D (nice!); Hugo 3D (also nice); Final Destination 5 3D (great!); IMAX Under the Sea 3D (astounding!) Tron Legacy 3D (not good); IMAX Hubble 3D (not good, made me dizzy).
Samsung has very good 3D capability, maybe slightly better than the Panasonic. TelevisionInfo says the top Sammy 2012 plasma is slightly better than the top Panny 2012 plasma as regards 3D ghosting issues:
sir barrister,
whats your viewing distance from your ps51e550? yung mga demo at malls, i was impressed.. some can render "im my face" 3d effects, but their glasses have these wires attached to them, so di ako masyado maka-layo sa tv if ganun pa rin ang effect.
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10 feet ang viewing distance ko sir.
Sa mall demos, usually yung demo footage lang ng manufacturer ang naka-play. Hindi ako masyadong bilib pag ganon, kasi iniisip ko baka maganda lang pag sariling film clips nila, pero not so good pag actual movies na ang naka-play.
I like the Samsung 2012 3D glasses. Maganda ang ideas nila sa design: active shutter bluetooth, button cell battery (watch battery, no recharging needed), lightweight, and cheap.
Others might not like those 3D glasses because they're too open on the sides, so if your room is a bit bright, you'll see a lot of light from the sides of the glasses. They're also very flimsy, and they don't fit well when used on top of prescription eyeglasses.
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sir barrister,
whats your viewing distance from your ps51e550? yung mga demo at malls, i was impressed.. some can render "im my face" 3d effects, but their glasses have these wires attached to them, so di ako masyado maka-layo sa tv if ganun pa rin ang effect.
we probably saw the same demo sa mall (SM appliance center) and we (me and my son) were awed by the 3D effects. didnt expect it to be that good.
we viewed it about 4-5 feet at the most bec of the wire nga but man,the demo video of break dancers dancing on ankle deep water was amazing. water splashes almost realistically at your face.
napaisip tuloy kami but still,after all the limited content available now for 3D,parang tambak na din after.
its way better than the Sony we demo'ed @ eastwood a month or two ago where they were showing the music video of Avril...the 3D rendering was not impressive at all.
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Sir vic, how much current price ng e550?
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I like the Samsung 2012 3D glasses. Maganda ang ideas nila sa design: active shutter bluetooth, button cell battery (watch battery, no recharging needed), lightweight, and cheap.
Sir Barrister,
The one that came with the e550 is the button battery already? So no recharging needed?
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Yes, button cell battery, not rechargeable.
With the 51E550 are 2 free units Samsung SSG-4100GB, 2012 model, universal active shutter, bluetooth, batteries included:
(http://www.samsung.com/sg/consumer/flagship/SSG-4100GBZD/images/img_ssg4100gb_01.jpg)
Batteries: CR2025. Each unit needs only 1 battery.
On my free 3D glasses, the included batteries were Panasonic CR2025 (Lithium 3 volts):
(http://www.beakytrading.com/image.asp?id=237&type=product&width=160&height=160)
This is a good design. 150-hour battery life. Just have spare batteries on hand, pag naubusan ng power, replace battery, Ok na.
Pag rechargeable battery ang gamit ng glasses it means the glasses consume too much power, kaya hindi puwede ang button cell battery. Kailangan rechargeable battery: more expensive, harder to find, makes the glasses heavier, recharging is a hassle.
May bisita ka, pa-demo daw ng 3D, wala na palang charge ang rechargeable battery ng 3D glasses, you'll need a few hours to charge, sabihin mo sa bisita mo, eto diyaryo, magbasa ka muna, magcha-charge pa kasi ang battery ng 3D glasses, e ... :( .
After 2 hours, wala pa ring charge. Sira na pala ang battery, ayaw nang mag retain ng charge. Saan ka ngayon bibili ng replacement battery? Sabi mo sa bisita, hahanap muna ako ng rechargeable battery, pag naka-order, siguro balik ka after 2 months, pero pag walang ma-order na battery, wag ka na lang bumalik ... :D
Pag CR2025 ang battery mo, kahit sa grocery puwede mong bilhin.
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SSG-4100GB yata ang 3D glasses na pinag-uusapan nila sa page 2 of this thread:
Sir how much yung additional pair of 3d glass?
Eyeglass at p999. each.
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Been using this set for 5 months now. Haven't experience the buzzing sound and fade to black flicker (or baka hindi ko lang alam tingnan). But the brightness pop is present in my unit. Not a big deal for me, but it will be much better if Samsung can rectify this problem.
I bought this TV to use primary in watching movies. But now, I'm thinking to get a game console and use this TV as a monitor. (balik sa pag ka bata :D)
Anyone of you sir's of Pinoydvd used this TV on their PS3/Xbox? How its performance?
Thank you :)
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Sir Barrister,
Thanks... hehehe I see your point regarding rechargeable batteries. Hindi ba na sabotage ng PANASONIC batteries yung 3D glassess ng SAMSUNG? :)
So the older infrared glasses of Samsung wont be able to be used for this TV already? or is this tv capable of using either BT or IR.
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Sir Barrister,
Thanks... hehehe I see your point regarding rechargeable batteries. Hindi ba na sabotage ng PANASONIC batteries yung 3D glassess ng SAMSUNG? :)
:D Friends naman ang Sammy and Panny, so walang sabotage diyan sir. Kung Apple ang gumawa ng battery, baka magduda pa ko, baka pumutok yung battery habang suot ko yung 3D glasses ... ;D
So the older infrared glasses of Samsung wont be able to be used for this TV already? or is this tv capable of using either BT or IR.
That's right. This TV does not have an IR sensor for 3D glasses, so the old Sammy IR 3D glasses will not be compatible and will not work.
Wala talagang kuwenta ang IR glasses, laos na. Sa IR, madalas maputol ang active 3D synchronization. Pag nasa side ng TV, putol; pag medyo malayo sa TV, putol; pag may taong naglalakad at tumawid sa harap ng TV, putol na naman. IR glasses are for Fred Flintstone; BT glasses are for George Jetson... ;)
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Anyone of you sir's of Pinoydvd used this TV on their PS3/Xbox? How its performance?
We use ours on the PS3 and performance is great! 3D capable games are awesome, actually with the e550's capability to convert 2D to 3D all non-3D games can be played in 3D.
By the way, my issue regarding connecting to the internet had been solved, it was a faulty LAN cable, however, I am still unable to connect via wifi, it can't detect my wireless network.
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Can you convert the 2D movies to 3D using the 2D to 3D conversion?
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Does the Samsung E550 plasma suffer from spontaneous spider crack/s defects/issue?
Has anyone here in pinoydvd experienced the spontaneous spider cracks for their Samsung E550 or their Sansung E8000 Plasma TV?
TIA
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Does the Samsung E550 plasma suffer from spontaneous spider crack/s defects/issue?
On pinoydvd, I've never read any post about a cracked Samsung E550 screen, or any cracked Samsung plasma screen or, for that matter, any cracked plasma screen of any brand.
I only read about cracked Samsung plasma screens on foreign forums. But even on those forums, I haven't read about any spontaneously cracking 2012 Samsung plasma screen (E550 is a 2012 model). It's a bit reassuring, although it doesn't mean that 2012 Sammy plasmas no longer have the issue, since it's still too early to say for sure.
However, don't think that spontaneously cracking screens don't happen on Panny and LG plasmas:
Panny: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1289851/panasonic-plasma-tc-p50g20-developed-internal-screen-crack-by-itself (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1289851/panasonic-plasma-tc-p50g20-developed-internal-screen-crack-by-itself)
LG: http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1287006-screen-lg-plasma-cracks-itself.html (http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1287006-screen-lg-plasma-cracks-itself.html)
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Can you convert the 2D movies to 3D using the 2D to 3D conversion?
Yes, it can convert 2D to 3D, but results are lousy.
You'll try it out for a few minutes, then you'll never use it again ... :D
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Tnx re feedback on spider cracks issue.
Nakaka-praning lang minsan kasi pag nabasa mo, sa amazon.com, yung reviews re the spider cracks on samsung E550 and E8000.
Prone ba sa Image Retention (IR) ang E550 and E8000?
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@neon tetra lahat ng plasma screen ay prone sa IR but the burn-out screen is something you have to watch-out but if you don't want this kind of situation get an LED screen instead.
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Tnx Sir Skooter.
What's the difference between Imgae Retention and Burnt-Out Screen?
Assuming you have the budget, which among the following will you purchase:
a.) Samsung 51E8000 Plasma TV, with free: HTE; Audio Dock; wireless keyboard; 2 pairs of active 3D glasses; IR Blaster; and touch pad remote, at Php81K
b.) LG 55LM7600 LED TV, with free: 10 pairs of passive 3D glasses; 2 pairs of dual play glasses; and magic remote, at Php89K
c.) Sony 55HX855 LED TV, with free 2 pairs of active 3D glasses and bunchin stand, at Php120K.
What is your first choice, 2nd choice, and last choice, among the above, and why?
TIA
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Tnx re feedback on spider cracks issue.
Nakaka-praning lang minsan kasi pag nabasa mo, sa amazon.com, yung reviews re the spider cracks on samsung E550 and E8000.
Na-search ko na ang amazon. 2010 and 2011 Samsung plasma naman ang sinasabi sa E550 and E8000 comments. Spontaneous crack comment sa 2012 Samsung plasma, wala. Or, wala pa sa ngayon... :( ewan natin... ;)
Prone ba sa Image Retention (IR) ang E550 and E8000?
Nagkakaroon din ng IR, but not prone to IR. Yung 51E550 ko, nagkakaroon din ng IR, pero minutes lang wala na.
Comparing Panny, LG and Sammy, the most IR-resistant is Sammy sa ngayon. Pero yung old Sammy plasma (around 10 years ago), palpak, hindi lang IR, burn pa.
Among the Samsung 2012 models, best IR resistance is on the big Samsungs 60 inch and up. Smaller models have slight IR.
Samsung plasma 60E6500 --- zero IR:
http://asia.cnet.com/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test-62216457.htm (http://asia.cnet.com/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test-62216457.htm)
Ang Samsung plasma, palpak dati. Biglang gumanda starting 2011. May issues pa rin, pero biglang nagkaroon ng jump in improvement.
Tnx Sir Skooter.
What's the difference between Imgae Retention and Burnt-Out Screen?
Pasintabi kay sir skooter, makikisabat na ako.
Burn-in (BI) is non-uniform screen phosphor burn, where a portion gets darker because the phosphor burn is more severe in that area. Wala nang BI issue ngayon on any of the 3 plasma brands, so it's now a non-issue.
Image Retention (IR) is caused by residual charge in the plasma cell. It has nothing to do with phosphors, so it's very different from BI, even if the two look similar when you see them on a plasma screen. Pag may naiwan na charge, may ghost image na naiiwan. Pero temporary lang yon, nawawala rin pag pumantay na ang charge sa ibang cells. That's not like BI, which is permanent, kasi sunog na yung phosphor at hindi na maibabalik yung pre-burn status ng prematurely aged phosphor.
Yan ang consensus na definition ng mga video enthusiasts sa internet. Don't get confused when reviewers say burn-in when they really mean IR, kasi mga bagong terminology yan na wala naman sa dictionary, kaya nagkakaiba-iba rin ng gamit.
Ang problema sa IR, temporary nga, pero minsan sobrang tagal ng retention. Sa newer Panny (around 2010 to the present models), minsan inaabot ng weeks, meron pa rin. Si among Carlo777 nga may naalala akong post, yung Panny plasma niya (2010?) meron daw IR na sobrang tagal na, parang hindi na raw mawawala. Gamer kasi siya e.
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Tnx for the info sirs.
Ok lang yung IR basta nawawala in a few minutes or even in a few hours. Yung bottom line, basta nawawala siya.
Hindi ba masisira yung plasma tv pag nanood ka ng DVD tapos may horizontal black bands sa upper portion and lower portion ng screen? Baka di mawala yung horizontal black bands na yun?
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Ok lang yung IR basta nawawala in a few minutes or even in a few hours. Yung bottom line, basta nawawala siya.
Hindi ba masisira yung plasma tv pag nanood ka ng DVD tapos may horizontal black bands sa upper portion and lower portion ng screen? Baka di mawala yung horizontal black bands na yun?
Black bars magiging IR. Mawawala rin yon. Kaya lang pag matagal ang IR, pag malapit nang mawala, tamang tamang manonood ka na naman ng may black bars. Kaya wala nang katapusan yung black bars mo.
Pero sabi mo basta nawawala ok lang di ba? :D
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Yup, basta mawawala yung IR na horizontal bars, ok lang....hahahaha....
Nakaka-tempt lang yung Samsung 51E550 at yung Samsung 51E8000, pag-nakita mo sa mall......
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If the E550 goes down to the 40T range (lower half) I will definitely consider this.
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Just went to S&S last night, the 51E550 is really tempting. Still convincing my wife for the upgrade with a price less than 50k you really can't resist.
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Konting antay lang at mag price-drop din yan.....sa 40T level....
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Nakaka-tempt lang yung Samsung 51E550 at yung Samsung 51E8000, pag-nakita mo sa mall......
(http://images.samsung.com/is/image/samsung/ph_PS51E550D1RXXP_001_Front_thumb?$S2-Thumbnail$)(http://images.samsung.com/is/image/samsung/ph_PS51E8000GRXXP_023_Front_black_thumb?$S2-Thumbnail$)
Mas maganda sana ang Sammy E8000 sa E550.
Ang Panny this year, yung mid-end panel pareho lang ng highest-end panel. Same panels for UT50, ST50, GT50, VT50.
Pero ang Sammy iba ang panel for E550 and E8000. Mas high-end ang panel for E8000.
Kaya lang E550 na binili ko, kasi hindi ko talaga magustuhan ang pedestal stand ng E8000. Parang paa ng manok ... :D Medyo cool pa siguro ngayon for some people yung spider feet, pero in a few years, palagay ko malalaos agad ang ganong style.
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Konting antay lang at mag price-drop din yan.....sa 40T level....
As of now yes willing to wait since wala pa yung paglalagyan na room. hahaha... Ang risk, baka maout of stock.
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Iyon lang nga, baka ma-out of stock.
Pero unless 85 years old ka na, na every day is a bonus, worth it pa rin mag antay ng price drop.
For example, yung LG 55LM7600, last year, yung price nun is Php229,000. Ngayon, makakabili ka na ng LG 55LM7600 at around Php89,000. Kaya, mainis ka lang kung bumili ka last year at Php229,000, kasi Php89,000 na lang yung presyo ngayon.
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i used to sell samsung products before.. from experience, even if new models come out, prices of old ones dont drastically drop, new models are just priced slightly higher.
though there are instances naman wherein new models are priced lower. i used to own a 2011 model samsung 46 inch led smart tv (series 5). srp was 89.9K, and was able to get it at 52K. this year's new model is cheaper, pero has fewer hdmi's, and ang kapal na, konti na lang parang lcd na rin.
coming from an srp of 74.9K, the ps51e500 being sold now at 49K is already a good buy. at this price point, mahirap siyang talunin considering its size, pq, and all its features :D
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Yung 3D glasses ba ng 51E550 at 51E8000 naka-link sa TV through infra-red or blue tooth?
Tnx.
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backread lang sir
:D Friends naman ang Sammy and Panny, so walang sabotage diyan sir. Kung Apple ang gumawa ng battery, baka magduda pa ko, baka pumutok yung battery habang suot ko yung 3D glasses ... ;D
That's right. This TV does not have an IR sensor for 3D glasses, so the old Sammy IR 3D glasses will not be compatible and will not work.
Wala talagang kuwenta ang IR glasses, laos na. Sa IR, madalas maputol ang active 3D synchronization. Pag nasa side ng TV, putol; pag medyo malayo sa TV, putol; pag may taong naglalakad at tumawid sa harap ng TV, putol na naman. IR glasses are for Fred Flintstone; BT glasses are for George Jetson... ;)
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Pero unless 85 years old ka na, na every day is a bonus, worth it pa rin mag antay ng price drop.
Kung 85 years old ka na, wag ka na ring mag intay ng price drop. Ang labo na naman ng mata mo e, bili ka na lang ng cheap 32 LCD, lalo ka pang nakatipid ... :D
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naku kung 85years old ka na, hindi ka na dapat nag hihintay ng price drop, baka hindi ka na umabot :D
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;D Oo nga naman, baka nga kahit umabot sa price drop, hindi pa fully paid, mamayapa na ... ;D
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Hahahaha... nakakatuwa naman kung saan na umabot yung price drop. :) Actually very tempting na talaga kumuha kaso ang kalaban ko ay wala pa talagang paglalagyan. Hopefully come new year if all things fall in place, ok na yung room at okay na rin yung price at may stock pa. Huwag lang mag fall in RIP... hehehehe.
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I've finally found an easier way to use this TV's web browser.
If you have a Sammy Galaxy S III phone, the TV remote on Samsung's AllShare Control (free Android app) will work well on your 51E550 TV.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sec.android.allShareControl&feature=search_result&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sec.android.allShareControl&feature=search_result&hl=en)
For internet browsing, forget about the original TV remote --- very difficult to use the keyboard and pointer via the TV remote.
On my old Samsung S Advance phone, the free Samsung TV remote app worked OK, but the touchpad was still hard to use because the pointer responded too slowly.
On my Samsung S III phone, the Samsung TV remote app does not work, but the AllShare Control app's TV remote does.
On the AllShare Control app, the touchpad works very well. It's now easy to control the web browser's pointer. The keyboard is also very convenient to use since the text appears on the phone's screen as you type, so you don't have to constantly check the TV screen to see if you typed correctly.
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Sir Barrister,
Thanks... hehehe I see your point regarding rechargeable batteries. Hindi ba na sabotage ng PANASONIC batteries yung 3D glassess ng SAMSUNG? :)
LOL. I found that a little funny. :) These companies often cross-source parts from each other.
Most Panasonic TVs sold during the 90s had Samsung picture tubes.
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I'm a long time lurker in these forums. I just posted to thank Sir Vic and co. for this TV.
This is my 2nd set from you guys, first was the Pana PV8. Looking forward to get my HT equipment from you guys soon!
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I saw the 51E550 in action in SM Mega yesterday. back to back with the E450 model. I happen to notice that the heat it generates and dissipates is quite substantial. As in it is in a good aircon area and yet you feel te heat when you are about 2 feet away.
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I saw the 51E550 in action in SM Mega yesterday. back to back with the E450 model. I happen to notice that the heat it generates and dissipates is quite substantial. As in it is in a good aircon area and yet you feel te heat when you are about 2 feet away.
Plasmas can generate quite some heat when displaying bright images (and when cranked up to showroom levels of intensity). It's acceptable in most situations, as nobody would be viewing from such a close distance anyway.
Older plasmas dissipated far more heat than these current models.
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I saw the 51E550 in action in SM Mega yesterday. back to back with the E450 model. I happen to notice that the heat it generates and dissipates is quite substantial. As in it is in a good aircon area and yet you feel te heat when you are about 2 feet away.
Nakita ko rin yon sa MOA sir. And yes, mainit nga.
I saw that in July 2012, so I asked sir riven319 about it:
Please tell us about the operating temperature. Does it run very hot? Does it have an internal cooling fan?
I ask because the display model I saw at SM MOA was very hot to the touch, and it did not seem to have any cooling fans.
Sir riven replied that it actually runs cool:
Sorry for the late reply sir barrister. I find it actually cool (at least to my standards)... maybe a little cooler than my D550. I don't think it to be an issue though... I have an LG plasma that is very hot to touch and yet is still working til now. The E550 doesn't have any fans (one of the factors I considered in purchasing as I did not want any extra noise in case a fan goes kaput)
So I mentioned that in my review:
Known Issues/Potential Issues:
Temperature is OK. I was worried because it doesn't have cooling fans, and I saw this model running hot at SM MOA. That unit was not properly ventilated, and of course, it was running in torch mode. But it really runs cool as long as there's proper ventilation. No problems in an airconditioned room; no problems without air con if there's proper ventialtion.
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I agree that it does in fact run cooler than the older plasmas.
On older plasmas, only the 720p models can be built without cooling fans. Full HD models naturally run hotter, so if the plasma TV is a Full HD model, you can be sure that it has cooling fans built in.
Me, I avoided 1080p plasmas because I avoid TVs that need cooling fans. If even one of those fans fails without your noticing, it's likely that some component inside is also going to fail due to the extra heat.
But these days, they already make fan-less 1080p plasmas, which is in itself an impressive improvement in plasma tech.
The 51E550 display unit at SM MOA was poorly ventilated. It was set up to be seen from outside the store. So the the TV was facing the store's inside glass wall, which was about two feet in front of the TV. Inches behind the TV was the white-painted plywood of the Samsung display stand.
So the TV was sandwiched betweeen the plywood and the glass wall, with only 2 feet of space in between. That's why it was running so hot.
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I am being bugged by my dad to buy a new display since our pv80 is already rip after only 3 yrs..tsk tsk..got a couple of questions since I didn't find the info being discussed in this thread..
what is the power consumption of this? can this be mounted on the wall? many thanks in advance sir barrister :D
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what is the power consumption of this?
Published rating is 186 Watts Typical Power Consumption.
http://www.samsung.com/ph/consumer/tv-audio-video/tv/plasma-tv/PS51E550D1RXXP (http://www.samsung.com/ph/consumer/tv-audio-video/tv/plasma-tv/PS51E550D1RXXP)
can this be mounted on the wall?
Yes, of course. In fact, I've never heard of a flat panel TV that can't be wall-mounted.
many thanks in advance sir barrister :D
You're very welcome, sir. Just ask and many members will be willing to help.
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Good Day mga sirs,
Im new here, and im lucky to find a thread that discuss this specifc model, which is im eyeing to buy bfore this year ends.
Ive back read some posts, esp from sir barister, and can you clarify lng po some points for me, since im not a A/V person, and this is my first time buying a tv for my family, first time in 15 years namin now papalitan ung CRT sony tv namin sirs, and yes for movie viewing lang po nila this will be my gift for my mother and father. ung sony crt dun pren siguro mag watch ng mga afternoon shows. ive measured ung distance ng watching area namin, since balak ko po iwall mount 9 -10ft po from us ang magging location ng tv,
So here are the points im really confused about, if someone out there can help me thanks in advance.
1.) Judder <- medyo confuse
2.) IR on this model <- kelan po ito nag oocur, pag nanood ka po ba ng movie n 2hours, lalabas na ito and mkikita agad?, like after watchng a 2 hour movie mag tv surfing ka naman, mkikita po ba ito?
3.) ung 600hz advertised subfield features, is it true? ung clarity ng smoothness ng actions on movie esp fast moving objects will be noticeable po b tlga?
4.) responsive naman po ba ung internet features sya?, gusto ko po mtry panuorin ung fliptop sa youtube here XD
5.) suggestions sir n pwede pang tapat sa tv n to n pwede ko pa iconsider?
6.) budget wise lng po kasi ako kasi matagal ko po tlga pinagipunan to pra makbili, kya ayaw ko mawaste eh, investment ko nren po, marami po kasi ako nbasa viewing movie is good in plasma vs LED.
7.) native 1080p n po ito? un po kasi nkalgay sa site specs po eh, di naman n po halata ungpixels?
Re: sound issue wala nman siguro problem kasi my ht naman po kmi n ginagmit, pwede na po samin un.
Maraming salamat sirs, and thanks for this forum
Il be watching this thread po and wait for some good replys maraming salamat po ulit.
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Me, I avoided 1080p plasmas because I avoid TVs that need cooling fans. If even one of those fans fails without your noticing, it's likely that some component inside is also going to fail due to the extra heat.
But these days, they already make fan-less 1080p plasmas, which is in itself an impressive improvement in plasma tech.
+1 here sir. I definitely agree that the fans make the unit relatively more noisy and a possible problem once the fan becomes defective. I guess it seems than if you are in a very cold room watching, you can go near the TV and warm up. Kaso maduduling ka lang sa pagpapanood. Not sure if the 3D glasses will work at that range. hehehehe.
@cefestejo.
Sir welcome to the forums.
IF 3D and resolution is not your thing the E450 model might be something to consider.
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So here are the points im really confused about, if someone out there can help me thanks in advance.
1.) Judder <- medyo confuse
2.) IR on this model <- kelan po ito nag oocur, pag nanood ka po ba ng movie n 2hours, lalabas na ito and mkikita agad?, like after watchng a 2 hour movie mag tv surfing ka naman, mkikita po ba ito?
3.) ung 600hz advertised subfield features, is it true? ung clarity ng smoothness ng actions on movie esp fast moving objects will be noticeable po b tlga?
4.) responsive naman po ba ung internet features sya?, gusto ko po mtry panuorin ung fliptop sa youtube here XD
5.) suggestions sir n pwede pang tapat sa tv n to n pwede ko pa iconsider?
6.) budget wise lng po kasi ako kasi matagal ko po tlga pinagipunan to pra makbili, kya ayaw ko mawaste eh, investment ko nren po, marami po kasi ako nbasa viewing movie is good in plasma vs LED.
7.) native 1080p n po ito? un po kasi nkalgay sa site specs po eh, di naman n po halata ungpixels?
1.) Judder - It means choppy motion rather than smooth motion. No judder problems on this TV.
2.) IR on this model - Kahit wala pang 2 hours, puwedeng lumabas. Pero nawawala agad, minutes lang wala na.
3.) ung 600hz advertised subfield features -
This is true. But this is different from 120 Hz or 240Hz Samsung Motion Plus. Subfield drive means flickers per second; 600 Hz subfield drive means 10 flickers per frame, 60 frames per second in 60p NTSC video, 10 x 60 = 600 flickers per second.
Bale wala na ngayon ang 600 Hz subfield drive, hindi na pang high tech ngayon yon. Lahat ng current plasma TV ay 600Hz subfield drive na, kahit yung mga low-end models. Ang high tech yung 24p 96 Hz. This TV supports 24p 96Hz. Sa Panasonic, highest-end lang ang 24p 96Hz capable.
4.) responsive naman po ba ung internet features sya? -
Walang kuwenta kasi mahirap mag navigate sa remote or sa cellphone remote app ng Android. Ok ang browsing pag naka Samsung Galaxy S3 phone ka using Samsung AllShare Control app, pero kung hindi, sa PC ka na lang mag internet browsing... :D .
5.) suggestions sir n pwede pang tapat sa tv n to n pwede ko pa iconsider? - Panasonic VT30.
6.) budget wise lng po kasi ako kasi matagal ko po tlga pinagipunan to pra makbili, kya ayaw ko mawaste eh, investment ko nren po, marami po kasi ako nbasa viewing movie is good in plasma vs LED. -
Wala. Sinama mo kasi ang budget consideration e. ;)
7.) native 1080p n po ito? un po kasi nkalgay sa site specs po eh, di naman n po halata ungpixels? -
Yes, native 1080p. Hindi halata yung pixels.
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1.) Judder - It means choppy motion rather than smooth motion. No judder problems on this TV.
2.) IR on this model - Kahit wala pang 2 hours, puwedeng lumabas. Pero nawawala agad, minutes lang wala na.
3.) ung 600hz advertised subfield features -
This is true. But this is different from 120 Hz or 240Hz Samsung Motion Plus. Subfield drive means flickers per second; 600 Hz subfield drive means 10 flickers per frame, 60 frames per second in 60p NTSC video, 10 x 60 = 600 flickers per second.
Bale wala na ngayon ang 600 Hz subfield drive, hindi na pang high tech ngayon yon. Lahat ng current plasma TV ay 600Hz subfield drive na, kahit yung mga low-end models. Ang high tech yung 24p 96 Hz. This TV supports 24p 96Hz. Sa Panasonic, highest-end lang ang 24p 96Hz capable.
4.) responsive naman po ba ung internet features sya? -
Walang kuwenta kasi mahirap mag navigate sa remote or sa cellphone remote app ng Android. Ok ang browsing pag naka Samsung Galaxy S3 phone ka using Samsung AllShare Control app, pero kung hindi, sa PC ka na lang mag internet browsing... :D .
5.) suggestions sir n pwede pang tapat sa tv n to n pwede ko pa iconsider? - Panasonic VT30.
6.) budget wise lng po kasi ako kasi matagal ko po tlga pinagipunan to pra makbili, kya ayaw ko mawaste eh, investment ko nren po, marami po kasi ako nbasa viewing movie is good in plasma vs LED. -
Wala. Sinama mo kasi ang budget consideration e. ;)
7.) native 1080p n po ito? un po kasi nkalgay sa site specs po eh, di naman n po halata ungpixels? -
Yes, native 1080p. Hindi halata yung pixels.
Sir barrister maraming maraming salamat po sa pag sagot sa mga concerns ko sir, salamat po sirs at naging malinaw ang mga concerns ko.
tanong ko lang po sir ung sinsabi nyong features na 24p 96Hz., anu po iyon sa smoothness ng tv po ba un?, or my piling movie titles n ganun?
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Published rating is 186 Watts Typical Power Consumption.
http://www.samsung.com/ph/consumer/tv-audio-video/tv/plasma-tv/PS51E550D1RXXP (http://www.samsung.com/ph/consumer/tv-audio-video/tv/plasma-tv/PS51E550D1RXXP)
Yes, of course. In fact, I've never heard of a flat panel TV that can't be wall-mounted.
You're very welcome, sir. Just ask and many members will be willing to help.
many thanks sir barrister!!
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(http://images.samsung.com/is/image/samsung/ph_PS51E550D1RXXP_001_Front_thumb?$S2-Thumbnail$)(http://images.samsung.com/is/image/samsung/ph_PS51E8000GRXXP_023_Front_black_thumb?$S2-Thumbnail$)
Mas maganda sana ang Sammy E8000 sa E550.
Ang Panny this year, yung mid-end panel pareho lang ng highest-end panel. Same panels for UT50, ST50, GT50, VT50.
Pero ang Sammy iba ang panel for E550 and E8000. Mas high-end ang panel for E8000.
Kaya lang E550 na binili ko, kasi hindi ko talaga magustuhan ang pedestal stand ng E8000. Parang paa ng manok ... :D Medyo cool pa siguro ngayon for some people yung spider feet, pero in a few years, palagay ko malalaos agad ang ganong style.
Sir Barrister,
Notwithstanding the 'chicken feet' pedestal stand as this won't really matter if the tv is wall mounted, Is it still a good buy to get the E8000 as far as superior picture quality is concerned?
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Sir barrister maraming maraming salamat po sa pag sagot sa mga concerns ko sir, salamat po sirs at naging malinaw ang mga concerns ko.
tanong ko lang po sir ung sinsabi nyong features na 24p 96Hz., anu po iyon sa smoothness ng tv po ba un?, or my piling movie titles n ganun?
You're welcome sir.
Hindi mo naman mapapansin ang 24p 96Hz kung baguhan ka pa sa video. Minor na minor lang ang difference, kailangan medyo maarte ka na sa video para ma-appreciate mo yon ... :D
Medyo complicated ang explanation, kaya simplify ko nang konti.
Ang film sa sinehan ay 24 frames per second (fps) ang rate. Sa DVD, naiiba nang konti kasi 60 fps ang rate. Pag ang 24 fps ay converted sa 60 fps, nagkakaroon ng konting judder, pero OK lang, hindi masyadong pansin.
Sa Blu-ray, usually 24 fps ang encoding para pareho sa original film. Pag nag playback ka sa home video, usually converted na naman sa 60 fps kaya parang DVD lang ang motion cadence, may error pa rin ang judder. Para kamukha ng film ang motion cadence, mas maganda kung 24 fps din ang playback sa home video. Kaya may 24p sa Blu-ray at may 24p rin sa TV ngayon. 24p means "24 progressive frames per second."
Hindi sobrang kinis ng motion na parang naging telenovela ang film, katulad ng ginagawa ng mga 120Hz and 240 Hz Motion Plus. Ang 96 Hz, may judder pa rin, pero ang judder nito ay parang parehong-pareho na talaga ng film.
Ang problema, pag 24 Hz ang playback, magkakaroon ng obvious flicker, kasi ang bagal ng 24 Hz. Para mabawasan ang kumukurap-kurap sa picture, dinodoble ang 24 Hz to 48 Hz, para 24 x 2 = 48 times ang flashing per second. Pero ang 48 Hz ay may minor flicker pa rin. Para mas bawasan ang flicker, nagkaroon ng 72 Hz ang Pioneer plasma (24p x 3). Ngayon, laos na rin ang 72 Hz, kasi ang uso ngayon sa high-end plasma ay 96 Hz (24p x 4). Ang Sammy 51E550, mid-end lang, pero 96 Hz capable.
Iyan ang 24p 96Hz --- 24 frames per second x 4 = 96 frame flashes per second.
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Sir Barrister,
Notwithstanding the 'chicken feet' pedestal stand as this won't really matter if the tv is wall mounted, Is it still a good buy to get the E8000 as far as superior picture quality is concerned?
Yes. The E8000 has the highest-end panel, internal filter and external filter in the 2012 Sammy plasma series. So it should be better than the E550 in every way.
But if you're one of those who hate to see noise reduction (like me), make sure your E8000 does not have the non-defeatable noise reduction. I don't know about the Philippine units, but I read on foreign sites that the E8000 still has some slight noise reduction even if you set the noise reduction to "off."
Sample review from the UK:
Keep in mind though that the European model Samsung PS51E8000 has undefeatable noise reduction running at all times. This won’t affect a resolution test (it would take unwatchably bad amounts of smearing to blur out the black and white line pairs in the test chart), but it does mean that actual content suffers from a slight lack of motion detail due to picture details being smoothed over by the noise reduction processing. We discuss real examples of this below.
... Another Samsung HDTV analysis, and another review where we have to lament the lack of a proper “Off” switch for the [Digital Noise Filter] control. Like last year’s displays, and the ones before that, the PS51E8000 has some light noise reduction running at all times, which can smear heavier film grain in a distracting and unnatural way, and also erase other details from high quality sources. Last year’s models had this issue fixed with a firmware update later on, but it’s back again in 2012.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps51e8000-201209042144.htm?page=Performance (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps51e8000-201209042144.htm?page=Performance)
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Hi Mga Masters,
If you have a budget of Php90,000, anu yung bilhin nyo:
1.) Samsung 51E8000 Palsma TV, which is around Php81,000 with Home Theater, Ipod Dock, 2 pairs of active 3D glasses, and other freebies; OR,
2.) LG 55LM7600 LED TV, which is around Php89,000, with 10 pairs of passive 3D glasses (pang buong angkan) and 2 pairs of Dual Play glasses, but NO Home Theater and NO iPod dock.
What are your reasons for your choice?
Tnx.
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Hi Mga Masters,
If you have a budget of Php90,000, anu yung bilhin nyo:
1.) Samsung 51E8000 Palsma TV, which is around Php81,000 with Home Theater, Ipod Dock, 2 pairs of active 3D glasses, and other freebies; OR,
2.) LG 55LM7600 LED TV, which is around Php89,000, with 10 pairs of passive 3D glasses (pang buong angkan) and 2 pairs of Dual Play glasses, but NO Home Theater and NO iPod dock.
What are your reasons for your choice?
Tnx.
Try both. Some people prefer the flicker-free experience of passive 3D, whilst others prefer the resolution of active 3D.
The LED/LCD screen is probably bright enough to do 3D in a bright room, but the Plasma would likely excel in a dark environment.
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Ang gagawin ko ay hihintayin ko na lang ang Samsung 2013 series plasma.
Ilang buwan na lang may bago nang series e ... :D
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Ang gagawin ko ay hihintayin ko na lang ang Samsung 2013 series plasma.
Ilang buwan na lang may bago nang series e ... :D
ditto! or a Panny VT50! :D
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ditto! or a Panny VT50! :D
VT50? Mamumutla ka kakahintay sa Panny Philippines.
In a few months, available na ang 2013 VT60 sa Singapore, pero 2012 VT50 pa rin ang hinihintay ng Pinoy... ;D
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Ang gagawin ko ay hihintayin ko na lang ang Samsung 2013 series plasma.
Ilang buwan na lang may bago nang series e ... :D
parang di ko na rin mahintay, 47K na lang daw at SnS ang PS51E550 ^-^
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I've finally found an easier way to use this TV's web browser.
If you have a Sammy Galaxy S III phone, the TV remote on Samsung's AllShare Control (free Android app) will work well on your 51E550 TV.
Was thinkering around my Samsung Galaxy S2 and saw this app All share. Yung Tv na lang ang hinihintay ko. hehehehe
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Wow, new series of Plasma and LED TVs.......for sure magkakaroon ng price-drop for the E550 and the E8000m sana malaki yung price-drop para makabili na rin........
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Wow, new series of Plasma and LED TVs.......for sure magkakaroon ng price-drop for the E550 and the E8000m sana malaki yung price-drop para makabili na rin........
No, pag nagkaroon ng 2013 model, out of stock na ang 2012 model.
Ngayon, may makikita kang E550 & E8000 (2012). May nakikita ka pa bang D550 nd D8000 (2011) na bagsak presyo? Wala nang stock, di ba? ;)
Ang bagsak presyo for 2012 ay ngayon na. P47K na lang nga daw ang 51E550:
parang di ko na rin mahintay, 47K na lang daw at SnS ang PS51E550 ^-^
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Dapat pala ngayon na bumili, or maybe during the first quarter of 2013, para mas lower pa yung prices.
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Buy now or buy later, pareho lang yon.
If you buy now, ang sasabihin, sana hinintay mo 1st Q of 2013 para mas mura.
Buy 1st Q of 2013, ang sasabihin, laos na yang model mo, sana hinintay mo 2nd Q of 2013 para new model. Ang hirap na humanap ng new 2012 model, puro mga display unit na lang; at pag may defect yung nabili mo, wala nang maibibigay na replacement.
Buy 2013 model on 2nd Q of 2013, ang sasabihin, sana hinintay mo 3rd Q of 2013 para mas mura.
Buy 3rd Q of 2013, ang sasabihin, sana hinintay mo 4th Q of 2013 para mas mura.
Buy 4th Q of 2013 ang sasabihin, sana hinintay mo 1st Q of 2014 para mas mura.
Wala nang katapusan yan... :D
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LOL...
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sir Barrister.. Huwag na lang bumili ang kakalabasan nyan. hahahaha
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Ayus...naku po........basta hwag bilhin yung newly released model kasi expensive pa yan, unless galit ka sa pera mo......kasi yung normal trend is for the price to drop after 6 months or more....hehehehe
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Ako hindi ko na iniintindi ang price drop, basta yung cheap model na lang ang bibilhin ko.
Yung bedroom TV ko, Tosh 32 LED rear-lit, P14,500 lang. Cheap, wala nang hintay-hintay pa ng price drop.
For my HT room, nakakita ako ng 2012 model Panny 60UT50, P160,000. Ganda, pero overpriced sa Philippines.
Hintay ng price drop? Hindi. Bili ng Sammy 51E550. Cheap, P49.9K lang. Tapos ang problema, wala nang hintay-hintay.
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+1 sir sa style of buying. Which come to the point na why is the Panasonic TVs overpriced here in the Philippines?
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Bano kasi ang Panny Phils.
Price of Panny X50 and XT50 series is ok. Problem is, they are budget models, not good enough for even a cheap enthusiast. Panny ST50 is great, but they don't have 42 and 50 inch sizes. Meron 60 inch na overpriced. Ang galing ano ... ;D
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Hometheater magazine Jan 2013 issue has the 51E550 model as one of their reviews with good ratings for budget TVs :)
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anyone know where the 3D glasses are available? S&S has not had stocks for quite some time now. thanks.
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out of stock kay s&s nitong tv na ito which is lowest na sana :( san pa kaya ibang shops na nagbebenta na nag accept ng card? after 4 years ulit pag upgrade ko ng tv :) sana may makatulong po sakin. planning on getting mine sa saturday na po sana :) luluwas pa ako all the way from nueva vizcaya just to get this tv sana :)
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I need your help on my possible bnew "lemon" PS51E550, It doesnt connect to a wireless network and when you try to do it manually by entering the SSID and clicking on next, it hangs. I'd have to unplug it from the outlet as the tv doesnt respond to the remote. At one point it detects the wireless router but only for a split second, then it goes back to the main menu. I know it's not with my router as I have another smart tv that doesnt have any problem connecting wirelessly. It's so frustrating as this is a bnew out of the box unit. Hope someone here can help me.
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maybe try a firmware update and if it still fails to work then its time to take it back to the dealer
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maybe try a firmware update and if it still fails to work then its time to take it back to the dealer
Where can I download the firmware and how do I install it?
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should be here http://www.samsung.com/ph/support/model/PS51E550D1RXXP-downloads
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Where can I download the firmware and how do I install it?
Be careful with Samsung firmwares. Do it only as a last resort. Many of them are defective and buggy, and if you run into problems, there's no way to roll back.
I have no experience with WiFi troubleshooting, since my 51E550 connected immediately and never had any problem since. But I can propose some solutions.
Are you using Windows 7? On Network and Sharing Center, use Work Network instead of Home Network or Public Network. Try the default name "Workgroup" first before changing the name. Then make sure the TV is joining the Workgroup network.
Control Panel > System > Advanced system settings > Computer Name Tab > Change > Member of > Workgroup > (type the workgroup name)
If that doesn't work, try the Samsung PC Share Manager:
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/supportOwnersHowToGuidePopupPrint.do?howto_guide_seq=1484&howto_guide_step_no=3&prd_ia_cd=N0000043&map_seq=9988 (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/supportOwnersHowToGuidePopupPrint.do?howto_guide_seq=1484&howto_guide_step_no=3&prd_ia_cd=N0000043&map_seq=9988)
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the latest firmware gave me wifi problems. before the upgrade i was able to see and connect to my wireless networks (wifi router on dsl and mobile wifi router)...after, i could no longer see any wireless network.
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Yan ang sinasabi ko ke sir ABC. Ayaw niya maniwala e.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,172674.msg1773425.html#msg1773425 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,172674.msg1773425.html#msg1773425)
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Be careful with Samsung firmwares. Do it only as a last resort. Many of them are defective and buggy, and if you run into problems, there's no way to roll back.
I have no experience with WiFi troubleshooting, since my 51E550 connected immediately and never had any problem since. But I can propose some solutions.
Are you using Windows 7? On Network and Sharing Center, use Work Network instead of Home Network or Public Network. Try the default name "Workgroup" first before changing the name. Then make sure the TV is joining the Workgroup network.
Control Panel > System > Advanced system settings > Computer Name Tab > Change > Member of > Workgroup > (type the workgroup name)
If that doesn't work, try the Samsung PC Share Manager:
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/supportOwnersHowToGuidePopupPrint.do?howto_guide_seq=1484&howto_guide_step_no=3&prd_ia_cd=N0000043&map_seq=9988 (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/supportOwnersHowToGuidePopupPrint.do?howto_guide_seq=1484&howto_guide_step_no=3&prd_ia_cd=N0000043&map_seq=9988)
Just an update on my tv, it does see the wireless network now but only for a split second then it goes back to the main menu. I already called samsung and they would send a technician to check, hopefully they can do something with my tv.
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Be careful with Samsung firmwares. Do it only as a last resort. Many of them are defective and buggy, and if you run into problems, there's no way to roll back.
I have no experience with WiFi troubleshooting, since my 51E550 connected immediately and never had any problem since. But I can propose some solutions.
Are you using Windows 7? On Network and Sharing Center, use Work Network instead of Home Network or Public Network. Try the default name "Workgroup" first before changing the name. Then make sure the TV is joining the Workgroup network.
Control Panel > System > Advanced system settings > Computer Name Tab > Change > Member of > Workgroup > (type the workgroup name)
If that doesn't work, try the Samsung PC Share Manager:
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/supportOwnersHowToGuidePopupPrint.do?howto_guide_seq=1484&howto_guide_step_no=3&prd_ia_cd=N0000043&map_seq=9988 (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/supportOwnersHowToGuidePopupPrint.do?howto_guide_seq=1484&howto_guide_step_no=3&prd_ia_cd=N0000043&map_seq=9988)
Just a question sir, so I need to make changes on my pc and not on the tv itself?
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Just a question sir, so I need to make changes on my pc and not on the tv itself?
Yes, settings of the PC itself.
But this is not from experience with Samsung. A similar problem happened to me on my WD player after a PC reformat, so I'm suggesting this as it might help.
Just an update on my tv, it does see the wireless network now but only for a split second then it goes back to the main menu.
My WD player also saw the network. It attempted to connect, but never succeeded until I changed the PC settings.
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To all the users of this TV, have you tried checking on your panel usage time? I checked mine and it shows 1024 hours (by pressing mute-7-3-7-enter) it's different from the one on the service menu, because that one gets reset after a factory reset. I had a feeling that my unit is a refurbished or a returned unit since it has problems connecting wirelessly plus there are deep scratches in front of the panel. This is so disappointing because I reiterated to the shop where I bought it that I want a new and factory sealed unit and now that I know that it's not, I'll demand for an immediate replacement.
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To all the users of this TV, have you tried checking on your panel usage time? I checked mine and it shows 1024 hours (by pressing mute-7-3-7-enter) it's different from the one on the service menu, because that one gets reset after a factory reset.
Thanks for this!
This is very useful info. I avoid service menus, but since this does not touch the service menu, then I guess it's safe.
I had a feeling that my unit is a refurbished or a returned unit since it has problems connecting wirelessly plus there are deep scratches in front of the panel. This is so disappointing because I reiterated to the shop where I bought it that I want a new and factory sealed unit and now that I know that it's not, I'll demand for an immediate replacement.
1024 hours? Returned unit is likely. Maybe not a refurb.
Where did you buy it?
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It's called MRT, ot sure what it means but they say it's more accurate than the one in the service menu (SVC) as it doesnt reset even after a panel replacement. I just got the info on the web, very useful indeed
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good thing mine is totally brandnew..thanks for the heads up
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To all the users of this TV, have you tried checking on your panel usage time? I checked mine and it shows 1024 hours (by pressing mute-7-3-7-enter) it's different from the one on the service menu, because that one gets reset after a factory reset.
Thanks sir for the info.
Hope all things go well on your situation with the unit.
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Mute-7-3-7-Enter doesn't work on my 51E550. I wonder why :( .
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I finally got Mute-7-3-7-Enter to work. I have an MRT of 196 (Mains Running Time of 196 Hours). This sounds about right. This is a seldom-used TV, and I initially gave it a 100-hour break-in.
The original Sammy remote has a narrow transmission range, but the TV's IR sensor has a wider reception range. I've already gotten used to the wider range of my Philips learning remote, so I have no complaints.
However, I used the original Sammy remote when I attempted Mute-7-3-7-Enter, and I forgot all about the narrower range of the original Sammy remote. As I was entering the code, my original Sammy remote infra red signal was going in and out of range without my noticing.
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Sir Barrister,
Just to clarify, you used the Sammy Remote that came with the unit but had to be in the IR remote range to make the mute-737 to work?
This will be useful when buying one. :)
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Yes, I used the Sammy remote that came with the unit. And yes, I had to be within the remote's range for the code to work.
The code must be entered correctly. If the IR goes out of range without your noticing, then the code won't enter correctly. If you're used to the narrow range of the Sammy remote, you won't have problems.
In my case, I got used to the wider range of the Philips Learning remote, so when I used the Sammy remote again after months of non-use, I forgot about its narrower range.
I'm sure the code would have worked using the Philips Learning remote. But I decided to use the original Sammy remote for entering the code, just in case the non-original remote gives me unanticipated problems such as IR variances that could brick my TV.
I'm guessing the narrower range of the Sammy remote was a deliberate design choice. To prevent the IR signal from unintentionally affecting other boxes on your rack, you're forced to point the remote directly towards the TV.
Use a universal remote and you'll notice that the IR sensor on the Sammy TV itself has a wider reception range, since the universal remote works flawlessly even if it's not pointed at the TV.
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Hi boss Barrister,
According to this link, the 51E550 has a bulit in PVR??
All you need is an external HDD and you can record shows?
Sounds really good! Can you confirm this? :)
http://www.samsung.com/nz/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/plasma-tv/PS51E550D1MXRD-features
Thanks!
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Hi boss Barrister,
According to this link, the 51E550 has a bulit in PVR??
All you need is an external HDD and you can record shows?
Sounds really good! Can you confirm this? :)
http://www.samsung.com/nz/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/plasma-tv/PS51E550D1MXRD-features (http://www.samsung.com/nz/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/plasma-tv/PS51E550D1MXRD-features)
Thanks!
Sorry sir, I can't confirm this for you because I'm worried that the TV will mess up my external HDD or USB flash drive.
From what I've read on foreign forums, implementation of Sammy's PVR is terrible. USB flash drives don't work. You have to use a USB HDD, but the TV formats the drive to an XFS file system. Then the TV can only handle digital broadcast streams, not analog, since the TV won't convert the analog signals to digital.
I'm sure it will work if you have the time and the patience to learn how Sammy's PVR code operates. But if you're thinking that it's going to work as easily as the old VHS recorders did, I'd say you're going to be disappointed, because it's going to be more trouble than it's worth.
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Try browsing the SammyGo site:
http://forum.samygo.tv/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=4040 (http://forum.samygo.tv/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=4040)
This is a Samsung TV tech site. Most of the members are not native English speakers, so don't be surprised kung mas magaling pa tayong mag-English :D . Maybe they're South Koreans.
Another sample thread:
http://forum.samygo.tv/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4242 (http://forum.samygo.tv/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4242)
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Thanks for the info! :)
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I hooked up my PS3 to this tv and I wasnt very pleased with the picture quality, both movies and games. PQ is bland, kinda washed out and a little pixelated. Do you guys experience the same? is there any work around? With my previous plasma (Panasonic 42PV8) PQ was A LOT BETTER. Is this normal?
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One more thing, I also noticed that motion blur on this tv seems very obvious (using the built in media player via usb as media source), is there a remedy to that? Can an external media player eliminate that? If yes, I need your recommendation on this.
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I hooked up my PS3 to this tv and I wasnt very pleased with the picture quality, both movies and games. PQ is bland, kinda washed out and a little pixelated. Do you guys experience the same? is there any work around? With my previous plasma (Panasonic 42PV8) PQ was A LOT BETTER. Is this normal?
No, that's not normal.
On the E550, the picture has excellent saturation & color accuracy, and has no pixellation.
One more thing, I also noticed that motion blur on this tv seems very obvious (using the built in media player via usb as media source), is there a remedy to that? Can an external media player eliminate that? If yes, I need your recommendation on this.
I tried the built-in USB player once on this TV, and performance was also very good.
If you didn't like the built-in player's PQ, it's likely that you also wouldn't like the PQ from an external media player.
I was a long-time Panasonic plasma user prior to this Samsung TV, and my observation is that the 2012 Sammy is better than a similarly-priced Panny in image retention, screen uniformity, color accuracy, motion handling and posterization. However, the 2011 & 2012 Panny are better when it comes to black levels.
But if you don't like the Samsung plasma's PQ, then it's just not the TV for you. I suggest sticking to the Panasonic plasmas.
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Sir Barrister, I sent you a pm, maybe you can help me with my problem. Thanks!
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sir busabos, maybe its the video file resolution is the limiting item.
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mga sirs, advice lang po.
im deciding between this 51e550 or 51e450.
use is mainly cable tv viewing from a distance of 3.5-5m. would i notice the difference?
sayang din kasi yung almost 20k na savings and i wont be using 3d or smart features
is the improve picture quality worth the price upgrade
tia
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I recommend the lower model E450.
On high definition at a distance of about 3 m., you would notice the difference. But for cable TV at 3.5m. to 5m., the difference will be hard to see.
If you eventually go for high definition videos, upgrading would be easy because the E450 is so cheap that it's going to be very easy to sell.
That's why I don't like high end gear. Hirap ibenta pag upgrade time na.
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thanks sa reply sir barrister.
just in time before the stocks in sns arrive.
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What are the current prices on malls and resellers these days?
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PS51E550 P54,000. free hte453 and skype camera
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Question, would this TV read Hard disks greater than 1 TB? if yes, what's the maximum sie it can read?
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https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Za4-oTLj_2o/UPQu3K7hV4I/AAAAAAAACLU/yIXmZJXjat4/s1280/20130114_133316.jpg
bought this TV Set bago mag new year. sadly last week the wifi module died :) good thing local unit kinuha ko and for replacement na ang wifi module :) good news is hiwalay ang wifi module and hindi buong board ang papalitan :) on my 196th hour panaman na sana sa break in tapos the wifi module died hehe anyways okay na okay parin at maayos na rin this week :) temporarily wired muna :)
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Question, would this TV read Hard disks greater than 1 TB? if yes, what's the maximum sie it can read?
i just tried this morning with my 500gb seagate external drive, set to NTFS and a 12gb Bourne Legacy MKV straight to the TV, solve na solve walang problema :) plays smoother than with VLC, not sure if native 24 fps na agad ang playblack
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https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Za4-oTLj_2o/UPQu3K7hV4I/AAAAAAAACLU/yIXmZJXjat4/s1280/20130114_133316.jpg
bought this TV Set bago mag new year. sadly last week the wifi module died :) good thing local unit kinuha ko and for replacement na ang wifi module :) good news is hiwalay ang wifi module and hindi buong board ang papalitan :) on my 196th hour panaman na sana sa break in tapos the wifi module died hehe anyways okay na okay parin at maayos na rin this week :) temporarily wired muna :)
how did they diagnose that it was defective? mine cannot detect my ssid, that's why i'm interested with this...only thing is, its able to detect other wifi connected equipment like ipad and laptops...
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i just tried this morning with my 500gb seagate external drive, set to NTFS and a 12gb Bourne Legacy MKV straight to the TV, solve na solve walang problema :) plays smoother than with VLC, not sure if native 24 fps na agad ang playblack
i've been using a 1TB hd with it...no problems so far, haven't tried a larger size one though...
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nakaka-tempt bilhin ang tv na to! 48k na lang sa SnS! :o
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nakaka-tempt bilhin ang tv na to! 48k na lang sa SnS! :o
wow... Good price talaga...
The prices of 50incher units will surely begin to drop in 2013.
I hope by 2013 December , prices of 50inch units will be in the range of 40k ~ 45k...
That would be a good time for consumers to upgrade their 42inch units....
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Sa akin pareho rin yon. Basta I avoid the high-end ones, Ok na ako.
Kung sasabihin ngayon na sa last quarter of 2013 ang good time to buy, pagdating ng last quarter of 2013, ang sasabihin naman, last quarter of 2014 ang good time to buy. Pagdating ng last quarter of 2014, ang sasabihin naman, last quarter of 2015 ang good time to buy.
The phrase "good time to buy," we hear that every year.
Imagine if somebody's been waiting since 1950 to buy a good TV, and bought one only in 2013. Kung bumili siya ng TV noong 1950, pangit ang TV niya, black and white CRT na, wala pang remote, ang liit pa, mahal pa. Lugi. Kung 2013 siya bumili ng first TV niya, e di colored na, flat panel pa, ang laki pa, may remote pa, at mura pa. Sulit para sa kanya.
Kaya lang, 63 years siyang walang TV... ^-^ O0
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Guys im really torn between 51e550 and 50vt30. I tried searching for a comparison review between the two but cant find any. Im gonna be using it mostly on watching 1080p mkv and BD ISOs on my dedicated media player. My main TV (UN60D7000) is in my HT room so I will be placing this in our bedroom. I was wondering if I can get your expert advice on my dilemma.
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They're both good, so you can't go wrong either way.
The Sammy will have better screen uniformity; the Panny will have better black levels.
The Sammy is newer, so it will have the advantage of newer features such as a Bluetooth 3D (The Panny uses infrared), and better Smart features. However, even if the Sammy is newer, it's only their lowest-end 1080p 3D for 2012, while the Panny is their highest-end plasma for 2011, so the Panny has a high-end screen filter and high-end panel.
Me, I choose the Sammy, since screen uniformity is more important to me than black levels, considering that the Sammy's black levels are already very good.
But since you already have a Sammy LED, and you're already used to Sammys, I suggest getting another Sammy for the bedroom. Having one TV brand for the whole house gives you the advantage of consistency between TV menus and remote layouts. It's a pain to have to remember the different menus and remote layouts of different TV brands. Not only for you, but also for the other family members.
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Sir, sorry for the ignorance, but what does it mean by screen uniformity? Does it have something to do with how the tv outputs the movie (widescreen or full screen)?
The reason I asked is I notice that when I play some of my movies on my VT30 it comes out full screen, while on my E550 it shows wide screen. I believe the latter is more accurate as the full screen on the VT30 seems stretched. Im not sure if it's just the setting but the VT30 is set to default (factory defaults).
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The reason I asked is I notice that when I play some of my movies on my VT30 it comes out full screen, while on my E550 it shows wide screen. I believe the latter is more accurate as the full screen on the VT30 seems stretched. Im not sure if it's just the setting but the VT30 is set to default (factory defaults).
I'm sure the VT30 can also be set correctly. It's too high-end to be that limited.
Sir, sorry for the ignorance, but what does it mean by screen uniformity? Does it have something to do with how the tv outputs the movie (widescreen or full screen)?
No, it's not about full screen vs. widescreen.
Screen uniformity refers to the consistency of the image across the entire screen. The test to reveal uniformity is usually a plain white or light gray pattern.
Look for the green blob on the center and pink tint on the sides:
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j457/thebayuk/Panasonic%202011%20Green%20Issue/IMG_0722.jpg)
Panny VT30 (2011)
(http://nsa29.casimages.com/img/2012/05/21/120521075959885709.jpg)
Panny VT50 (2012)
http://www.avforums.com/forums/16993902-post988.html (http://www.avforums.com/forums/16993902-post988.html)
(Note: There are many VT30 and VT50 users who report that they don't have the green blob.)
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Dagdag din ako ng pros sa sinabi ni barrister sammy plasmas are brighter than panny and they are also less prone to IR compared to panny plasma.
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sir Barrister,
i'm considering this Samsung model, i just have a couple of questions -
1. i'm currently using a Panasonic 42PV8 purchased back in 2008 ... how does the black levels and overall PQ compare to that model ... my understanding is that you also have Panasonic plasma tv of that circa
2. how's the performance of Skype and it's built-in camera? is it comparable or better than using Skype on PC?
thanks in advance
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2. how's the performance of Skype and it's built-in camera? is it comparable or better than using Skype on PC?
thanks in advance
if i may, i'd like to answer question no. 2 - skype, with the free skype camera is pretty good actually (of course a good internet connection is a must). it is comparable if not even better than on the pc, since screen is quite big. i think it'll be great to do skype if both ends are using the smarttv.
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if i may, i'd like to answer question no. 2 - skype, with the free skype camera is pretty good actually (of course a good internet connection is a must). it is comparable if not even better than on the pc, since screen is quite big. i think it'll be great to do skype if both ends are using the smarttv.
thank you sir ... among the smart tv features that samsung and other brands are advertising, i'm really just interested with skype as it is the most likely apps that i'll be using on tv consistently, unlike other features that one would likely just use when the tv is new
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2. how's the performance of Skype and it's built-in camera? is it comparable or better than using Skype on PC?
I haven't tried Skype, so I don't know how well it performs. Good thing sir griv already answered it for me.
1. i'm currently using a Panasonic 42PV8 purchased back in 2008 ... how does the black levels and overall PQ compare to that model ... my understanding is that you also have Panasonic plasma tv of that circa
My previous TV was a Panny 50C10 (2009).
Here's a rundown of the differences:
- Black levels are almost the same, although the Sammy black levels are slightly better.
- Over-all PQ is better on the Sammy, even if we disregard the resolution difference.
- Slight posterization is visible on the Panny, depending on the material displayed. The Sammy has much better posterization handling; any posterization I see looks like it was caused by a poorly mastered source rather than by the Sammy TV itself.
- 24p 96Hz works very well on the Sammy. The Panny is not 24p 96Hz capable.
- On the Panny, green phosphor lag was minimal enough to be a non-issue, since I could only see it on very difficult scenes if I look hard enough. But on the Sammy, I have not yet seen any trace of green phosphor lag at all on any scene, no matter how hard I try to find it.
- Both have slight IR, but the Sammy IR goes away faster. (Note: For 2012 Sammys, only the 60 inch plasma sizes or larger have zero IR; smaller sizes still have slight IR.)
All in all, the differences will not be mind-blowing and face-melting, but you can expect a slight improvement... ;)
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Useful feature on the 51E550: check color and tint using the built-in blue filter ---
- Use AVSHD709 MP4 version: http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration (http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration)
- Use the AVSHD709's Flashing Color Bars:
(http://www.missingremote.com/legacy/img/stories/Guides/calibration/color_tint.png)
http://www.missingremote.com/guide/display-calibration-part-i (http://www.missingremote.com/guide/display-calibration-part-i)
- Enable the built-in blue filter by setting the TV to Blue "RGB Only Mode" --- Menu>Picture>Advanced Settings>RGB Only Mode>Blue
- Adjust color and tint until the blue color and shade of all boxes look the same.
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Useful feature on the 51E550: check color and tint using the built-in blue filter ---
- Use AVSHD709 MP4 version: http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration (http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration)
- Use the AVSHD709's Flashing Color Bars:
(http://www.missingremote.com/legacy/img/stories/Guides/calibration/color_tint.png)
http://www.missingremote.com/guide/display-calibration-part-i (http://www.missingremote.com/guide/display-calibration-part-i)
- Enable the built-in blue filter by setting the TV to Blue "RGB Only Mode" --- Menu>Picture>Advanced Settings>RGB Only Mode>Blue
- Adjust color and tint until the blue color and shade of all boxes look the same.
thanks sir barrister this is something to look forward, can't wait to get home to try this out lol..do u have some screenshots after this calibration?
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I haven't tried Skype, so I don't know how well it performs. Good thing sir griv already answered it for me.
My previous TV was a Panny 50C10 (2009).
Here's a rundown of the differences:
- Black levels are almost the same, although the Sammy black levels are slightly better.
- Over-all PQ is better on the Sammy, even if we disregard the resolution difference.
- Slight posterization is visible on the Panny, depending on the material displayed. The Sammy has much better posterization handling; any posterization I see looks like it was caused by a poorly mastered source rather than by the Sammy TV itself.
- 24p 96Hz works very well on the Sammy. The Panny is not 24p 96Hz capable.
- On the Panny, green phosphor lag was minimal enough to be a non-issue, since I could only see it on very difficult scenes if I look hard enough. But on the Sammy, I have not yet seen any trace of green phosphor lag at all on any scene, no matter how hard I try to find it.
- Both have slight IR, but the Sammy IR goes away faster. (Note: For 2012 Sammys, only the 60 inch plasma sizes or larger have zero IR; smaller sizes still have slight IR.)
All in all, the differences will not be mind-blowing and face-melting, but you can expect a slight improvement... ;)
Thanks a lot sir, based on the current prices looks like this model is a steal.
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thanks sir barrister this is something to look forward, can't wait to get home to try this out lol..do u have some screenshots after this calibration?
A screenshot won't give you an accurate idea of how the picture looks like in person. It's easier to take a picture of an LED/LCD screen. It's a bit harder to take a picture of a plasma screen.
But anyway, here's the picture I shot (previously posted on this thread) after my basic low-end calibration:
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1447/img3442h.jpg)
It looks much better in person.
But this TV already has accurate colors out of the box. After running the flashing color bars on blue RGB-Only, I found that my tint and color were correct at default positions (Color: 50; Tint: 50-50), as long as I was on Movie Mode. On Standard Mode, color and tint required slight adjustments.
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ouch i just forgot i don't have a bluray burner hehehe..anyway as i was reading that avsforum article i was intrigue about the brightness, contrast and cell light calibration could you share your brightness, contrast and cell light settings? of course your dark room settings for that, thanks a lot sir barrister :D
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ouch i just forgot i don't have a bluray burner hehehe..
I don't have a Blu-ray burner either. Why would you need one? BD player lang nga, hindi na masyadong sikat, BD burner pa kaya? ^-^
The AVSHD709 patterns are available in MP4 format. All you need is a media player to play it on. If you don't have a media player, just play it on the TV's built-in USB player.
anyway as i was reading that avsforum article i was intrigue about the brightness, contrast and cell light calibration could you share your brightness, contrast and cell light settings? of course your dark room settings for that, thanks a lot sir barrister :D
I posted that previously:
Settings (Dark Room):
Picture Mode: Movie
Cell Light: 10
Contrast: 70
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 40
Color: 50
Tint: 50-50
Black Tone: Off
Gamma: 0
Color Space: Native
Color Tone: Warm 2
Film Mode: CinemaSmooth (1080p24, 96Hz)
Note my sharpness setting --- some users might find it too high. See if you like a 40 sharpness, but set it lower if you see edge ringing.
Note 2: Also see my prior post about the TV's auto screen shut-off during all-black scenes:
I think I've figured out which settings work for disabling the black shut-off feature on this TV.
Black shut-off is disabled at 45 Brightness, if:
1. Contrast is at least 51;
2. Black Tone is at least off; and
3. Gamma is at least 0.
If Contrast, Black Tone or Gamma is set lower than those minimums, black shut-off is enabled at 45 Brightness. Cell Light does not affect black shut-off trigger.
Samsung should just give us an option to disable the black shut-off via firmware update.
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oh pwede lang pala sa USB thumb drive, thanks for the settings too sir barr.
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Last night after calibrating my cell light, brightness, contrast and sharpness with their settings same as yours(barrister)of course. I notice my e550 is pumping an image with so much improve depth now, you know better blacks, contrast and sharpness and i even apply this settings to my cable viewing(Cignal HD) and it was excellent. I guess i dont have to download the calibration patterns from AVSForum for now hehehe...thanks again sir, it's nice to be a pdvd subscriber.
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Mga experts, please help.
Which is a better buy, the 51e8000 Plasma TV (at Php83,000 cash with HT and iTouch dock + 2 3D glasses and wireless keyboard) or the 55LM7600 LED TV (at Php89,000 cash + 10 3D glasses nut without HT, if with HT, cash price is Php96,600)?
TIA
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Both have good value, but I suggest Samsung.
LG has reliability issues these days, and after sales service is not good anymore.
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Tnx Sir Barrister......
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motion lighting in the advance picture settings what is this?
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motion lighting in the advance picture settings what is this?
According to Samsung: "Reduces power consumption by reducing screen brightness when the picture on the screen is in motion."
It's useless. Turn it off.
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See link below for calibration settings. >:D >:D >:D
http://www.avforums.com/home/pictureperfect.html (http://www.avforums.com/home/pictureperfect.html)
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Just purchased a Samsung PS51E550 yesterday for P52,369.00 bundled with a Skype cam, 2 x active glasses and an HT-E453HK.
Early days yet but I can see that this is indeed a nice step-up from my 50" LG PK550 from 2010, and at 52K with free HT, can't be beat.
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congrats sir. Hope you like your new tv. :) Enjoying mine with the 3D glasses together with my daughter. And even my wife who is not fond of 3D is also appreciating it.
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ano po ang viewing distance nyo?
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around 7 to 10 feet sir
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Thanks for the input Sir Barrister. :) I hope i can use this on my t.v. too. It's not a Samsung though.
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@all
good buy pa rin ba ngayon ang 51E550? 49k ang current price nya sa SnS, with free Skype camera.
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@all
good buy pa rin ba ngayon ang 51E550? 49k ang current price nya sa SnS, with free Skype camera.
2013 na ngayon, i rather wait for the 2013 plasma panels to come out maybe this early 2nd quarter. but it's good bargain anyway, so go for it sir...
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I think it's a good buy, my kids are enjoying the 3d.. :)
I have a question though on fellow users, can it play DTS file directly on usb? and will it work if I connect the optical out from TV to my AVR (Receiver)? or I need an NMT na for this type of file, I have yet to try big files on USB, baka di mabasa.. thanks in advance..
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haven't tried playing a DTS file directly from usb, the optical out will work, already tried it and so will big media files. hth
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Samsung ssg-3050 glasses is P995. each. :D
Sir Vic, do you have stock of the SSG-3050 or SSG-3100 3D glasses for the 2011 D series?
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sir barrister..the film mode is disabled in my options..I am using the hdmi 1 input..
Film Mode: CinemaSmooth (1080p24, 96Hz
this is the only setting I can't change
edit
saw the post of sir skooter hehe
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malapit na ang April, which means malapit nang lumabas sa market ang 51F5500! ;D
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sir barrister..the film mode is disabled in my options..I am using the hdmi 1 input..
Film Mode: CinemaSmooth (1080p24, 96Hz
this is the only setting I can't change
edit
saw the post of sir skooter hehe
Ano ang source video file mo sir? What resolution and frame rate?
Cinema Smooth can be enabled only if the video is 1080 resolution and 24p frame rate.
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Ano ang source video file mo sir? What resolution and frame rate?
Cinema Smooth can be enabled only if the video is 1080 resolution and 24p frame rate.
I was able to enable it sir..saw the difference..it's the motion I saw on other demo displays before..I thought the motion was inherent to led displays..since most of the time that kind of motion I always see on high end led displays hehe
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I was wondering if it was my imagination or if the TV really runs hotter when playing 3d. To satisfy my curiosity I ran watt readings while watching different movies and these are what I got:
prometheus 3D 1080p (2.35:1) low: 88 high: 247 ave: 141w
cars 2 3D 1080p (2.35:1) low: 90 high: 305 ave: 210w
toy story 1 3D 1080p (16:9) low: 117 high: 333 ave: 218w
toy story 1 (not 3d) 1080p (16:9) low: 74 high: 192 ave: 125w
hp goblet of fire (not 3d) 1080p (2.35:1) low: 70 high: 167 ave: 88w
I'm not really sure why but the difference is considerable. But I was pleasantly surprised that this 51" tv uses less power than my old 42PV8. And that when you're watching a dark movie like goblet of fire, the tv uses about as much power as my desktop computer (not counting the monitor).
BTW, for those still looking for extra glasses, I got mine at SM Makati. A 2pack of SSG4100 for P1990.
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Compare picture settings between 3D and 2D. Default settings are brighter for 3D. So the picture will jump to a brighter setting once you go to 3D mode. The brighter setting will of course result in higher electric consumption and hotter operating temperature.
My own picture settings are also brighter for 3D, since the extra brightness is necessary to compensate for the darkness of the 3D glasses.
The TV also has to work harder in 3D while it's maintaining synchronization between glasses and screen. I don't know how much power consumption that puts in, but that still causes additional consumption and heat.
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At the same brightness settings toy story 3D averaged 160w. Malayo din pala (cell light of 10 compared to 18--the other settings were already the same). I didn't think it would go down that much. The remaining 35w di ko na alam. Parang synchronization wouldn't use that much. But what do I know. :)
Anyway, I was just wondering.
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Anyway, I was just wondering.
OK lang sir, nanghuhula lang din naman ako e ... ;)
Plus additonal processing siguro ng 3D file to render the SBS or sequential video correctly on screen kaya mas malakas sa power.
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just seen the F4500 in action ang pangit hehehe...so far ang series 4(2013) pa dumating dito ah.
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just seen the F4500 in action ang pangit hehehe...so far ang series 4(2013) pa dumating dito ah.
F5500 and the F8500 are the ones to wait for. ;)
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The 3D bluray is actually 2x1080p kaya baka mas malakas sa kuryente than the 2D. ;) ;) ;)
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That's right.
3D Blu ray is actually 1920 x 2205. It's an over-under format with left and right eye frames, 1920 x 1080 each, plus 45 pixels in between (active blanking). The over-under pair appears in one big frame at 24 big frames per second.
The TV decodes the frame packing and converts the frame pack into left and right eye sequential format.
The decoding and processing will of course consume more electricity.
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At the same brightness settings toy story 3D averaged 160w. Malayo din pala (cell light of 10 compared to 18--the other settings were already the same). I didn't think it would go down that much. The remaining 35w di ko na alam. Parang synchronization wouldn't use that much. But what do I know. :)
Anyway, I was just wondering.
Much of the increased power consumption is due to the increased panel drive when running 3D afaik. Aside from the shading effect of the glasses, a much higher intensity is required because of the halved field period with active 3D designs (even less in most cases, to account for sync and shutter latency).
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Thanks. :)
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I hope to see the 51F5500 (the 51E550's successor) in our market soon! ::)
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Update po ng price nito? meron na po ba?
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May bigger screen pa po ba? bukod a 51"?
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May bigger screen pa po ba? bukod a 51"?
meron. 64 inches. pero nasa 150+k na ang price nito.
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meron. 64 inches. pero nasa 150+k na ang price nito.
masyado ng mahal. :(
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hello po mga Sir. Newbie lang po.
I am currently considering my first modern TV (CRT lang po meron ako). Basa po ako ng basa ng mga forums and finally I zeroed in on Plasma and this particular model.
Medyo hesitant lang ako ngayun kasi po dun sa AVS forum di masyado ok yung tingin nila dito sa PS51E550.
Mas ok daw po yung panasonic VT and UT pero wala ata sa Pilipinas ng 51 inch variant. Pero sa pinoydvd mukhang ok naman ang review.
nung una po 35K lng budget ko sa TV pero nung nakita ko yung review dito i am willing to strecth the budget up to 50K.
question lang po
1) may buzzing issue po ba amg mga unit na nandito sa Pinas? normal la po ba ito?
2) parang sasakyan, may break-in period po ba ang plasma tv na to?
3) ano ung ways para maiwasan yung IR (image retention at Burn in)? since 50K is a lot tome I want to make sure I will take good care of my TV.
Hope to hear from you mga Sir para makapagdecide na ako kung eto na ba talaga bibilhin ko.
Salamat po.
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Medyo hesitant lang ako ngayun kasi po dun sa AVS forum di masyado ok yung tingin nila dito sa PS51E550.
Mas ok daw po yung panasonic VT and UT pero wala ata sa Pilipinas ng 51 inch variant. Pero sa pinoydvd mukhang ok naman ang review.
Mas OK talaga ang Panasonic VT50 and UT50, kung black level lang ang pag-uusapan. Pero kung isasama mo ang ibang aspects - such as panel brightness, image retention, horizontal line bleeding, and vertical bands/stripes - hindi na mas OK ang Panasonic.
How about 39 pages of vertical banding issues with no solution in sight ---
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1638736-panasonic-2012-vertical-band-issues-vbi-mvbi.html (http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1638736-panasonic-2012-vertical-band-issues-vbi-mvbi.html)
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1678005-panasonic-2012-vertical-band-issues-vbi-mvbi-part-2-a.html (http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1678005-panasonic-2012-vertical-band-issues-vbi-mvbi-part-2-a.html)
question lang po
1) may buzzing issue po ba amg mga unit na nandito sa Pinas? normal la po ba ito?
2) parang sasakyan, may break-in period po ba ang plasma tv na to?
3) ano ung ways para maiwasan yung IR (image retention at Burn in)? since 50K is a lot tome I want to make sure I will take good care of my TV.
1) Normal ang buzzing sa lahat ng plasma brands. Walang buzzing issue ang unit ko. Pero may isang nag post sa pinoydvd na may buzzing issue raw ang unit niya.
2) Walang break in period ito. Hindi na uso ang break-in sa kahit anong brand ng plasma ngayon.
3) Image retention maiiwasan kung laging naiiba ang image sa screen. Break-in procedures do not affect IR.
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maraming salamat Sir Barrister. isang pahabol na lang po. Eto na po ba yung sa tingin nyo eh best bang for the buck TV considering 50K budget ko? (Mapa LED or plasma)
meron po ba kayung ibang naiisp or marerecommend na second choice?
salamat po uli...
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Maraming bang for the buck LED sir. Try Toshiba, maganda na, mura pa.
Pero kung plasma, tatlo lang ang manufacturers --- Panny, Sammy and LG.
Palpak ang LG plasma, so scratch that from the list. Maganda ang Panny and Sammy, pero wala namang 2012 model na 50 inch size sa Philippines. So that leaves you with the Sammy.
Easy choice. Tapos na ang boksing, kahit hindi na natin pag-usapan ang vertical stripe/band issue ng Panny.
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sir what model and size yung toshiba? thx..
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hi i'm just wondering does e550 support bluetooth speakers or headphones?
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Sir, okay pa rin ba ito kung umaabot sa 15 hours per day ang usage? I was wondering kung mas mabilis ang magiging wear n' tear niya than say, an LED or CCFL.
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Mga Sir
How about wall bracket for your PS51E550?
May marereccomend kayu? How about kits to hide the wires?
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^ wall bracket? me sabre na brand..madami ka pag pipilian..2k ata ung cheapest na wall bracket sa sabre for this size..pero sa listening room 1.8k lng pag cash..2k firm sa SnS eh..
pero mas mura pa dun..daichi ung brand mas mukhang sturdy pa dun sa sabre na bbilihin ko sana..parang 1.5k ko ata nabili..nakalimutan ko na hehe
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kung bibili ka sa SnS, baka may free wall-mount ka na. ;)
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pair w/ bluetooth speakers does it work on e550? i'm planning to buy this bluetoot soundbar but i gotta make sure about it.
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pair w/ bluetooth speakers does it work on e550? i'm planning to buy this bluetoot soundbar but i gotta make sure about it.
"The Bluetooth function lets you connect to compatible devices such as compatible wireless Bluetooth keyboards and compatible 3D glasses, instantly transforming your TV experience. "
mukhang nde sir..kung me mahiraman kayo bluetooth headset sa mga officemate nyo or friends..baka pwede i try
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"The Bluetooth function lets you connect to compatible devices such as compatible wireless Bluetooth keyboards and compatible 3D glasses, instantly transforming your TV experience. "
mukhang nde sir..kung me mahiraman kayo bluetooth headset sa mga officemate nyo or friends..baka pwede i try
can't think of someone i know who has bluetooth headfons or speakers, i cud use avr thru tv's optical out but i dont like to add another cable, for me pangit tingnan...
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I saw this on display at an SM Appliance branch and was impressed. :)
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THE 51E550 is available at Pioneer Robinson Appliance for 40T Cash and straight with 3D glasses and an Ipod dock if I am not mistaken. Just like to inform everyone interested.
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Autovolt na ba ito? Meaning pwde 110 or 220
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THE 51E550 is available at Pioneer Robinson Appliance for 40T Cash and straight with 3D glasses and an Ipod dock if I am not mistaken. Just like to inform everyone interested.
can you verify? baka 51E490 ang nakita mo for sale at 40k cash.
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Autovolt na ba ito? Meaning pwde 110 or 220
Yes, autovolt lahat ang Asian models.
can you verify? baka 51E490 ang nakita mo for sale at 40k cash.
Tama siguro yan sir. Malapit na lumabas ang 2013 model 51F5500 kasi.
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN51F5500-51-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00BCPGNVC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1368330618&sr=1-1&keywords=samsung+51f5500 (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN51F5500-51-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00BCPGNVC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1368330618&sr=1-1&keywords=samsung+51f5500)
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Tama siguro yan sir. Malapit na lumabas ang 2013 model 51F5500 kasi.
that's awesome then! ;D
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Hi! I just bought the PS51E550 and checked the usage time by pressing info + menu + mute + power and under the PANEL DISPLAY TIME below the 'TEST PATTERN' it indicates 7hr so should I assume this is NOT a display model? :)
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can you verify? baka 51E490 ang nakita mo for sale at 40k cash.
Sir I can testify :) hehehehe... it is priced at 69T less 30 for cash/straight payment.
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Great pirchase then. Congrats!
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Sir I can testify :) hehehehe... it is priced at 69T less 30 for cash/straight payment.
nice!!!!!! ;D
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bought 51e550 at P40k at Samsung Magnolia with 2 free glasses and skype camera plus 2 promo discs. nice PQ except for the screen reflection
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panasonic or samsung better now in plasmas?
how much is the 55 or 60 inches version of this?
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panasonic or samsung better now in plasmas?
In some areas, Panasonic is better. In other areas, Samsung is better.
how much is the 55 or 60 inches version of this?
60" - In the Philippines, only the 51" is availabe. 60" and 64" versions were not released here.
55" - Samsung never made a 55" version. 55 is a size for LCD/LED, not plasma.
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hmm...what's a good alternative for this? one that has a motion interpolation option (SOE)?
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hmm...what's a good alternative for this? one that has a motion interpolation option (SOE)?
series 8 na plasma.
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series 8 na plasma.
sir, if I'm considering something like this, that probably means I don't have enough moolah for a series 8. hahahaha
pwede namang slightly more expensive than this one, but not something as expensive as the series 8 plasma of sammy. :p
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sa pinas series 8 lang available but i believe sa panny ST series 50 and 60 do have anti judder(SOE) feature but they are expensive same price level yata sa series 8, hehehe..
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bought 51e550 at P40k at Samsung Magnolia with 2 free glasses and skype camera plus 2 promo discs. nice PQ except for the screen reflection
Dapat talaga yung pag lalagyan mo ng plasama is di ganun kaliwanag kasi mag rereflect talaga like our samsung plasma.
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Yup. Got to close the curtains when I turn it on. By the way, the tv does not have headphone sockets or any analog audio outs. It has only optical audio out so I bought a Fiio Taishan Optical RCA converter to connect my wireless headphone. For those who don't want to disturb people at night.
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Sayang pumunta ako kanina sa robinsons pioneer, bibilin ko sana yung nakita kong ps51e550. Kaso nabili na daw ng isang Indian about 2 hours bago ako pumunta. Last na pala yung nakadisplay nila. Anyone knows kung san pa may deal na 39,900 lang sa tv na to? Parang wala na rin yung sa rob magnolia.
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Sayang pumunta ako kanina sa robinsons pioneer, bibilin ko sana yung nakita kong ps51e550. Kaso nabili na daw ng isang Indian about 2 hours bago ako pumunta. Last na pala yung nakadisplay nila. Anyone knows kung san pa may deal na 39,900 lang sa tv na to? Parang wala na rin yung sa rob magnolia.
Sorry to hear that sir.
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Sayang pumunta ako kanina sa robinsons pioneer, bibilin ko sana yung nakita kong ps51e550. Kaso nabili na daw ng isang Indian about 2 hours bago ako pumunta. Last na pala yung nakadisplay nila. Anyone knows kung san pa may deal na 39,900 lang sa tv na to? Parang wala na rin yung sa rob magnolia.
try mo sa ibang Robinsons.
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punta ka uli sa robinson appliance patulong ka sa kanila kung saan pang branch may availale unit. Pwede naman ipadala sa malapit na branch sa iyo, basta sure buyer ka.
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nakakita nga pala ako ng 51E550 for sale sa Western Appliance sa basement ng MegaMall. 40,699 na lang ang price! :o (down from 70k)
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baka ang unit is yung demo, now dat sucks though its cheap.
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aw.. sayang nakabili nko ng iba
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baka ang unit is yung demo, now dat sucks though its cheap.
yes. their demo unit of the 51E550 is the only 5 series plasma they have left. meron din akong nakita sa SM Applicance. di ko lang natanong kung magkano discount nila.
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baka may burn-in image na yan...talo tayo dyan...
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baka may burn-in image na yan...talo tayo dyan...
Before naman ipurchase check muna para sa burn in. May samsung plasma has no brn in gamit siya sa TV watching araw araw with Cignal meron mga logo's ang Cignal pero di nag burn in.
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anyway, nakita ko sa SM Appliance na naka-display side-by-side ang bagong 4000 series plasma ng Samsung at yung 51E550. same material ang pinapalabas nila. (movie trailers) pinakamalinaw yung mula sa 51E550. ;)
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I just found out that the Samsung 51F5500 is now available at SnS, while the 51F5000 is also available at Abenson's. ::)
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I just found out that the Samsung 51F5500 is now available at SnS, while the 51F5000 is also available at Abenson's. ::)
i saw the 51F5000 in Abenson earlier, unfortunately the demo they were showing was just SD quality and quite grainy so i was not able to gauge if it is worth ditching my 5 year old Panasonic PV8 for that one ... it seems to be very basic, full HD but no 3D and Smart TV features ... price though was quite impressive - 47k+ less 5k for cash and a free 28-inch Samsung LED F4000 model which sells for more than 12k
any feedback on the 51F5500? what's the difference with the F5000 series? and what is the price?
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i saw the 51F5000 in Abenson earlier, unfortunately the demo they were showing was just SD quality and quite grainy so i was not able to gauge if it is worth ditching my 5 year old Panasonic PV8 for that one ... it seems to be very basic, full HD but no 3D and Smart TV features ... price though was quite impressive - 47k+ less 5k for cash and a free 28-inch Samsung LED F4000 model which sells for more than 12k
any feedback on the 51F5500? what's the difference with the F5000 series? and what is the price?
F5500 is Full HD + 3D, F5000 is Full HD only. the 51F5500 is 65+k/ 12 months. I'm waiting for SnS's reply for their cash price of the 51F5500.
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does it have 65inch for F5500?
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does it have 65inch for F5500?
did some research and found that the F5500 will come in 51, 60, and 64 inch sizes. but I think our market will only get the 51 inch model. :-\
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F5500 is Full HD + 3D, F5000 is Full HD only. the 51F5500 is 65+k/ 12 months. I'm waiting for SnS's reply for their cash price of the 51F5500.
that's a big difference on pricing, the panels must be of different quality - with the 5k discount on the F5000 and free 28-inch LED TV, it's just like buying it at less than 35k
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a quick review of the Samsung 51F5000: (F5300 in other markets)
http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/samsung-plasma-tv/samsung-pn51f5300.html (http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/samsung-plasma-tv/samsung-pn51f5300.html)
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I got to see the Samsung 51F5000 on display at Abensons Greenbelt. it was beside the F4900, F4500, and F4500 models. the 51F5000 had the best PQ of the group. ;)
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that's a big difference on pricing, the panels must be of different quality - with the 5k discount on the F5000 and free 28-inch LED TV, it's just like buying it at less than 35k
eto pala difference ng f5000 (F5300 in US) vs f5500.
(http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures/samsung2013specs-6.jpg)
so any feedback na on the new samsung ps51f5500?
parang my panny 42pv8 needs an upgrade na eh. :-)
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eto pala difference ng f5000 (F5300 in US) vs f5500.
(http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures/samsung2013specs-6.jpg)
so any feedback na on the new samsung ps51f5500?
parang my panny 42pv8 needs an upgrade na eh. :-)
pareho tayo sir na waiting for feedback, and also have the same Panny 42pv8 na 5 years old na
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the 51F5500 has Cinema Smooth, Smart TV 2.0, Dual-Core CPU, 3D, and built-in WiFi. the Cinema Smooth feature alone might me enough reason to choose the F5500 over the F5000. ::) :P
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the 51F5500 has Cinema Smooth, Smart TV 2.0, Dual-Core CPU, 3D, and built-in WiFi. the Cinema Smooth feature alone might me enough reason to choose the F5500 over the F5000. ::) :P
although i'm not into 3D, the Cinema Smooth and 3D feature makes me believe that the F5500 is using a different panel (higher end) than the F5000
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Just opened my replacement ps51e550. Claimed warranty from samsung for a unit i bought last april. After turning it on, all i hear is a buzzing sound. No picture. I hear the beeping sound when you choose options but no picture, just a loud continous buzz.
What's broken? (Again)
:(
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Has anyone noticed the base sound of 51e550?, I really like this tv except for the sound as medyo may buzzing sound sya, or is it just my unit? Thanks..
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I wonder if the extra features are worth the P20k price difference?
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Mine has a gas leak... I'm probably switching to Led na :/
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did some research and found that the F5500 will come in 51, 60, and 64 inch sizes. but I think our market will only get the 51 inch model. :-\
saw a 60 inch model sa sm appliance center..the price of the 51 vs 60 is almost double..toinks!
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For a few days now, my 51E550 has been rebooting 3 or 4 times every time I turn it on (mamamatay, then mag o-on by itself). And after those 3 or 4 times, okay na siya until I turn it off and turn it on again the next time. And most of the time it reboots every 4 minutes and 50 seconds. Kaya lang hindi all the time (maybe 90%). I don't know if that means anything. Oh, and it happens regardless of source (cable or HDMI).
Anybody experienced this or know what it might be about? Right now it's just annoying more than anything. I suppose if it's all it does I can live with it. I'm just worried that it might get worse. I got this early 2013 so out of warranty na yata.
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For me, that would not just be annoying, that would be unacceptable.
I used to have that model. It's a good TV. Sana maayos pa.
Try a factory reset.
If that doesn't work, try a firmware update.
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I don't mind so much because after 3 or 4 times, it stops. I usually leave the TV on all day or all night so I can quickly forget about it. But if it can be fixed so much the better.
But I'll try a firmware update. Where can I get one? Is this one okay?
http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/PS51E550D1KXXU
ALL OS, 153.61 MB, EXE, MULTI LANGUAGE
VERSION : 2005.0
29 APR, 2015 tooltipbox
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Maybe loose power receptacle at the back of that tv. I use to have that tv and also same experience more or less.
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I don't mind so much because after 3 or 4 times, it stops. I usually leave the TV on all day or all night so I can quickly forget about it. But if it can be fixed so much the better.
But I'll try a firmware update. Where can I get one? Is this one okay?
http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/PS51E550D1KXXU (http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/PS51E550D1KXXU)
ALL OS, 153.61 MB, EXE, MULTI LANGUAGE
VERSION : 2005.0
29 APR, 2015 tooltipbox
Same country dapat sir.
Dapat firmware for Philippine series kung Philippines ang model mo:
http://www.samsung.com/ph/support/model/PS51E550D1RXXP (http://www.samsung.com/ph/support/model/PS51E550D1RXXP)
But firmware flashing should be a last resort.
I recommend trying sir skooter's power receptacle suggestion first. Parang mas tama yung kanya.
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Thanks skooter for the suggestion. I checked my power cable. Parang okay naman siya. Still, I removed it and reseated it. And it worked! No rebooting for a day. Then the day after that it started doing it again. :( I even tried using another cable that I got from my computer. May I know if you did anything special to your cable? And hindi na ba bumalik yung problema sa TV mo?
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i just bought another power cable and make it sure the receptacle is super tight not able to dance around..well about my experience the tv had some funny cracking noise at the back besides the intermittent power.