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Title: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 21, 2012 at 08:04 PM
I've created this thread to isolate christians from the religion thread. I hope non-christians would respect this thread. We've had enough arguments and talks na sa religion thread. Sa bible interpretations pa lang ang dami nang versions pero i strongly believe that if we interpret the Bible in God's light, we could all agree. ;D I also would prefer that we talk of applications in our christian life/walk with reference sa Bible teachings and instructions.

Allow me to start.

Contentment. How can we define contentment ? Are you contented with your life? May kulang ba? How does your aspirations and intentions affect your christian walk?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Moks007 on Sep 21, 2012 at 08:24 PM
Thanks for creating this thread. Sometimes we don't understand why not so good things happen to us. Trials are so hard to take, but we have to keep our faith. Sometimes it easy for me to say but I know its so hard. We just have to talk to friends, read the Bible and have Bible studies with others. God bless you all.

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 21, 2012 at 08:32 PM
Thanks for creating this thread. Sometimes we don't understand why not so good things happen to us. Trials are so hard to take, but we have to keep our faith. Sometimes it easy for me to say but I know its so hard. We just have to talk to friends, read the Bible and have Bible studies with others. God bless you all.

I agree with you. Sometimes it also helps to think of trails as a test of our faith. And sometimes, i tend to smile because whenever i pray, i thank God for the trials because it also reminds us to be dependent in Him alone. With our busy lives, madalas nakakalimutan natin Siya. but then again, trials are also a way of reminding us that there is always God whom we can forever lean on to.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 21, 2012 at 11:05 PM
Allow me to start.

Contentment. How can we define contentment ? Are you contented with your life? May kulang ba? How does your aspirations and intentions affect your christian walk?

Paul wrote:

12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength. (Phil. 4:12-13)

You will see here that contentment does not come naturally to a person.  It is something that must be learned.  And you can do it through Him who gives you strength.

But it does not mean that it's OK to be lazy, since the bible also admonishes the lazy person:

The craving of a sluggard will be the death of him, because his hands refuse to work.   (Prov. 21:25)

Therefore, be content and do not worry, because God will provide:

25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life? (Mt. 6:25-27)

Does it mean that it's OK to be lazy since God will provide anyway, just as He provides birds with food?

Of course not.  Yes, the Father feeds the birds, yet birds must still work for their food.  You don't see food falling from heaven and falling into a lazy bird's mouth, do you?   ;)

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Frankthetank on Sep 22, 2012 at 12:01 AM
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Bookmark ko lang :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: TinkerTailor on Sep 22, 2012 at 09:36 AM
It might be trite, but I always find calm when I read Psalm 23.

The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.  
The last sentence always gives me goosebumps because it makes me reflect on my life- the past, the present, and the future.

And of course Psalm 91

(http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae178/bongkadi/16-psalm91_zps268fb41d.gif)

There's this translation into tagalog which imo is somewhat manipulated in order to cater to a soldier's sentiments; but few sights are more moving than a huddle of men in camouflage with all their battlefield gear, in the dark of the night or in the dim light of dawn, solemnly praying the psalm.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Timithekid on Sep 22, 2012 at 09:42 AM


And of course Psalm 91

(http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae178/bongkadi/16-psalm91_zps268fb41d.gif)

There's this translation into tagalog which imo is somewhat manipulated in order to cater to a soldier's sentiments; but few sights are more moving than a huddle of men in camouflage with all their battlefield gear, in the dark of the night or in the dim light of dawn, solemnly praying the psalm.

For some reason i have always felt at ease whenever i read psalm 91.  As a matter of fact, the first time i lived away from home and rented a condo, this was one of the first things that i did, prayed and opened the bible to psalm 91.  It just helps me sleep at night...
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Timithekid on Sep 22, 2012 at 09:57 AM



I agree with you. Sometimes it also helps to think of trails as a test of our faith. And sometimes, i tend to smile because whenever i pray, i thank God for the trials because it also reminds us to be dependent in Him alone. With our busy lives, madalas nakakalimutan natin Siya. but then again, trials are also a way of reminding us that there is always God whom we can forever lean on to.

I was talking to a priest once and we were discussing why there were so many more trials that man goes through vs. happy moments.  He tried to make me understand by making it simple, sabi niya, think of it this way, kung parating masaya baka lalo mo ma take for granted ang Diyos, kung mas madalang ang event na maganda mas naaalala mo. Kahit na siyam na bad event pa ang mangyari sunod sunod, all it takes is one happy moment out of ten events to lift your spirits again and before you know it, nakalimutan mo na yung masama and naapreciate mo lalo yung maganda.

My experience may not be as meaningful as some but whenever I go though something difficult, I remember my retreat in high school and how the priest taught me how to appreciate what God has given and has in store for us.


Of course not.  Yes, the Father feeds the birds, yet birds must still work for their food.  You don't see food falling from heaven and falling into a lazy bird's mouth, do you?   ;)

Eh di ba sabi nga God helps those who help themselves, and if I am not mistaken Sloth is a capital sin.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 22, 2012 at 11:06 AM

I was talking to a priest once and we were discussing why there were so many more trials that man goes through vs. happy moments.  He tried to make me understand by making it simple, sabi niya, think of it this way, kung parating masaya baka lalo mo ma take for granted ang Diyos, kung mas madalang ang event na maganda mas naaalala mo. Kahit na siyam na bad event pa ang mangyari sunod sunod, all it takes is one happy moment out of ten events to lift your spirits again and before you know it, nakalimutan mo na yung masama and naapreciate mo lalo yung maganda.

My experience may not be as meaningful as some but whenever I go though something difficult, I remember my retreat in high school and how the priest taught me how to appreciate what God has given and has in store for us.

Eh di ba sabi nga God helps those who help themselves, and if I am not mistaken Sloth is a capital sin.

Ang alam ko, ther's no such thing as capital sin etc. In the eyes of God, same lang ang sloth, greed, gluttony etc. Walang weight. Pero may naalala ako ng certain sin na hindi unforgiveable. I forgot what that is...

Anyway, for me, there's a very thin line between lazyness and being dependent on God alone. Judgement call na ata natin dapat yun.

It's good to know that a lot of us are dependent sa Bible teachings for inspiration and wisdom. Amen to that.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 22, 2012 at 11:52 AM
Ang alam ko, ther's no such thing as capital sin etc. In the eyes of God, same lang ang sloth, greed, gluttony etc. Walang weight.

Seven Deadly Sins yon sir.  Not biblical, of course.  Nauso yan noong Middle Ages.  They are also called Capital Vices or Cardinal Sins.

The seven deadly sins are: Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, and Pride.

For the Catholics, there are two types of sin: mortal and venial.  For them, the seven deadly sins still fall under the category of either mortal or venial, depending on the surrounding circumstances. 

However, the Catholics see the seven deadly sins as starting points that lead to other sins.  That's why they also refer to them as "capital sins," because they are the "head" (from the Latin "capitalis") sins that give rise to other sins.



... Pero may naalala ako ng certain sin na hindi unforgiveable. I forgot what that is...

The Unpardonable Sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” (Mk. 3:28-29)

31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. (Mt. 12:31-32)

Of course, the big problem here now is:  What does "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" mean?  ;)


Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Timithekid on Sep 22, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Of course, the big problem here now is:  What does "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" mean?  ;)

million dollar question kumbaga.  :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 22, 2012 at 12:50 PM
I grew up Catholic, kaya familiar ako sa seven deady sins.

Sir Nelson, palagay ko hindi mo napanood ang movie na Se7en (1995; Brad Pitt, Morgan Freeman, Kevin Spacey), kaya hindi ka familiar sa sloth as one of the seven deadly sins.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514mxP5IrmL._AA160_.jpg)

It's a good movie about a police hunt for a serial killer.  Don't watch the DVD or the 1st release BD (Alliance of Canada), the PQ is terrible.  Dapat yung remastered version HD (Warner Bros. release), PQ is great and black levels are excellent (maraming dark scenes diyan).



million dollar question kumbaga.  :)

Easy lang ang sagot diyan sir.  Promise ...  ;)

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Timithekid on Sep 22, 2012 at 01:39 PM
I grew up Catholic, kaya familiar ako sa seven deady sins.

Sir Nelson, palagay ko hindi mo napanood ang movie na Se7en (1995; Brad Pitt, Morgan Freeman, Kevin Spacey), kaya hindi ka familiar sa sloth as one of the seven deadly sins.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514mxP5IrmL._AA160_.jpg)

It's a good movie about a police hunt for a serial killer.  Don't watch the DVD or the 1st release BD (Alliance of Canada), the PQ is terrible.  Dapat yung remastered version HD (Warner Bros. release), PQ is great and black levels are excellent (maraming dark scenes diyan).

Panalo ka talaga atty. may kasama pang review nung movie, pero maganda nga yan, very disturbing lang...


Easy lang ang sagot diyan sir.  Promise ...  ;)

By all means please enlighten the interested.


I grew up Catholic, kaya familiar ako sa seven deady sins.

Am i to assume atty that you no longer practice roman catholicism?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 22, 2012 at 02:42 PM
Am i to assume atty that you no longer practice roman catholicism?

No more.  I stopped going to church in the 1990s.


By all means please enlighten the interested.

I'm not sure if I should explain this, since we're in a public forum.

Do not think that we should explain to others every detail in the bible.  Sa katunayan, ang utos sa Kristiyano, bawal ibigay ang perlas sa baboy, useless na, magagalit pa sa iyo:

6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. (Mt. 7:6)

Hindi ikaw yung baboy siyempre ;), pero public forum ito, e.  Maraming baboy na nagkalat ...  :D

At any rate, I suppose can give a short answer, so here goes:

It means knowingly committing a serious sin. 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Timithekid on Sep 22, 2012 at 02:49 PM

At any rate, I suppose can give a short answer, so here goes:

It means knowingly committing a serious sin.

ok, that part I understand, but shouldn't there be a definition of what is serious or what is not?  I mean, some sins are graver than others, although a sin is a sin no matter how you look at it, I can't liken "thou shall not kill" to lying right?  pasensya ng konti atty ah, Catholic kasi ako eh and I still live by the venial and mortal sin definition.  But please continue...
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 22, 2012 at 03:55 PM
I grew up Catholic, kaya familiar ako sa seven deady sins.

Sir Nelson, palagay ko hindi mo napanood ang movie na Se7en (1995; Brad Pitt, Morgan Freeman, Kevin Spacey), kaya hindi ka familiar sa sloth as one of the seven deadly sins.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514mxP5IrmL._AA160_.jpg)

It's a good movie about a police hunt for a serial killer.  Don't watch the DVD or the 1st release BD (Alliance of Canada), the PQ is terrible.  Dapat yung remastered version HD (Warner Bros. release), PQ is great and black levels are excellent (maraming dark scenes diyan).



Easy lang ang sagot diyan sir.  Promise ...  ;)

I've watched that na.  :D Di ko lang na-gets yun capital sin.  ;D

Hirap ang PJ ko sa dark scenes kasi luma na.  :D

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Timithekid on Sep 22, 2012 at 04:08 PM
I've watched that na.  :D Di ko lang na-gets yun capital sin.  ;D

Hirap ang PJ ko sa dark scenes kasi luma na.  :D

OT: upgrade na yan! Ano yung pj ni sir streetsmart? Sim2? Hehe.

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 22, 2012 at 04:15 PM
OT: upgrade na yan! Ano yung pj ni sir streetsmart? Sim2? Hehe.

Hindi pa kaya. May natitira pang 2 kids na pinag-aaral. Kakainis. Ayaw muna tumigilsa pag-aaral para makabili ako ng new PJ.  ;D  Yes, SIM2. para kang may plasma tv sa pader.  :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Sep 24, 2012 at 07:56 PM
Just signing in mga sir :)



Contentment. How can we define contentment ? Are you contented with your life? May kulang ba? How does your aspirations and intentions affect your christian walk?

My definition is guided by the following, My personal guide in my walk or being content are based on 3 books in the canons mostly:

1. Ecclessiastes - this is where I know that everything I do is meaningless and temporary. In short, I SUCK.
2. Gospel of John - this is where I know about and introduced to Jesus that gives meaning to my Life then siyempre aral na pabalik, papuntang old testament etc.
3. Epistle of St. Paul to the Philippians - I think this book is somewhat enough in my walk. It teaches, I cannot do anything without Christ. Jesus died for me and the way I should conduct myself regarding others (Philippians 2) which I believe is connected with Ecclessiastes since Jesus Himself "nothing" although He is something etc.

That I believe is where contentment is, may literal nga atah sa Philippians about yan ^_^
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 24, 2012 at 08:19 PM
Just signing in mga sir :)



My definition is guided by the following, My personal guide in my walk or being content are based on 3 books in the canons mostly:

1. Ecclessiastes - this is where I know that everything I do is meaningless and temporary. In short, I SUCK.
2. Gospel of John - this is where I know about and introduced to Jesus that gives meaning to my Life then siyempre aral na pabalik, papuntang old testament etc.
3. Epistle of St. Paul to the Philippians - I think this book is somewhat enough in my walk. It teaches, I cannot do anything without Christ. Jesus died for me and the way I should conduct myself regarding others (Philippians 2) which I believe is connected with Ecclessiastes since Jesus Himself "nothing" although He is something etc.

That I believe is where contentment is, may literal nga atah sa Philippians about yan ^_^

Thanks for sharing. Sometimes, we get too attached sa material things especially sa hobby natin.  ;D Madalas, i forget to pray to God to thank Him for everything He has done. Sabi nga nila, if we could keep a list of the lists that we have prayed for, at the end of the year, magugulat tayo sa mga prayers granted.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: JT on Sep 25, 2012 at 01:17 AM
Thanks for creating this thread. Sometimes we don't understand why not so good things happen to us. Trials are so hard to take, but we have to keep our faith. Sometimes it easy for me to say but I know its so hard. We just have to talk to friends, read the Bible and have Bible studies with others. God bless you all.

Trials from God are meant to bring out our best. Temptations from the devil to bring out our worst.

But either way, its a character defining moment for our faith.

God bless kapatid.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 25, 2012 at 09:45 AM
Long time no hear, sir JT.


Trials from God are meant to bring out our best.

On the same topic of trials, here's my contribution:

2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.  (James 1:2-4)

10 For you, God, tested us; you refined us like silver. (Ps. 66:10)


Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 25, 2012 at 10:09 AM
Long time no hear, sir JT.


On the same topic of trials, here's my contribution:

2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.  (James 1:2-4)

10 For you, God, tested us; you refined us like silver. (Ps. 66:10)


There are times when i feel pure joy when faced with trials especially the part where i pray and surrender my trials. pero there are also times that i feel so numb. And this is where i fail...
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: JT on Sep 25, 2012 at 01:35 PM
Long time no hear, sir JT.

Its good to have this thread and its good to be here sir. You got things covered and I also just enjoy reading and learning from everyone's post.   

Eh di ba sabi nga God helps those who help themselves, and if I am not mistaken Sloth is a capital sin.

Nope because the truth is, God helps the helpless. This phrase is often mistaken for a Bible quote, but it appears nowhere in the Bible and originated from a non-believer.

I only recognize 3 capital sin:
1. The ORIGINAL SIN which is Satan's sin of PRIDE. Bible says He is the original sinner.
2. The DEADLY SIN which is Adam's sin of DISOBEDIENCE that has affected all mankind from first to the future generations.
3. The UNPARDONABLE SIN which is for those who will be sinning against the Holy Spirit by REJECTING the gospel of Christ which is salvation by God's grace
thru faith.

Consider this verse in James 2:10 (NKJV) "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.". So by rejecting God's salvation by GRACE, you have to work out your salvation by the LAW in which breaking one means breaking them all giving no chance at all of being
pardoned.

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 25, 2012 at 03:41 PM


Nope because the truth is, God helps the helpless.

I remember the message last Sunday, God does not call the equipped. He equips the called.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: anchit on Sep 25, 2012 at 03:49 PM
i have a friend who just gave birth, unfortunately, the baby has strong indication na may down syndrome sya.

sa ganitong sitwasyon, i cant help but think/ask " ano intention ni God, trial lang for the parents pero yung bata ang kawawa? ano kasalanan nung bata if its a trial for the parents? :(
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: JT on Sep 25, 2012 at 05:48 PM
i have a friend who just gave birth, unfortunately, the baby has strong indication na may down syndrome sya.

sa ganitong sitwasyon, i cant help but think/ask " ano intention ni God, trial lang for the parents pero yung bata ang kawawa? ano kasalanan nung bata if its a trial for the parents? :(

Sickness and physical abnormalities are results of man's fall ... not from God. All creations has suffered from Adam's sin thats why it is truly a deadly sin.

Let me share my testimony.

Thru our office internal transfer, I'm suppose to be relocating to Sydney last year. But my 4yr old daughter whom I declared with delayed speech was diagnosed by therapist with severe authism. Thus her visa was put on hold by AU immigration unless my office will give aud44k bond. So my move there did not push thru because it was not the company policy to provide as such. What has been agreed with my company then is to wdraw the visa application and once my daughter is ok, then we will renegotiate.

One of my main intention to go Sydney is to plant church work there as I was sent by our pastor. So have I questioned God why this has happened to me? Certainly.  And the answer I got from Him ... “Did I not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?”

Not only our move to Sydney was cancelled, I've already sold my house here so I have to rent (which is currently really expensive), my kids has to change school, and I also dont have a job because I already have a replacement from my former team since Im all set to go out of Singapore.

So how did I see God moved in our midst? I dont have a job for 3 months but Im recieving salary from my office. I come to office just to check if HR got something for me.  Where can you find such arrangements, no job but with pay? I have more time for my family, for the ministry and lots of time to rest and play during those period.

And when our HR found a job for me, I got a job stictly 8hrs a day, monday to friday, no overtime requirement, no production issue or implementation work. I just review business requirements and functional specification documents which is like only 1/3 of my previous job responsibilities. And after 3 mos, I got promoted with salary increase of course.  Our company promotion only given every January, I received mine in October last year.

But those are not the main thing God has done for me. March this year, my daughter has been cleared to enroll in a normal mainstream school. Without paying for specialist or seeking therapist help or even enrolling to a special school, my daughter can now speak and express herself clearly. In just a year's time, my daughter's progress was amazing.  Truly, God's work is evident.

The delayed speech and severe authism has been healed thru prayers and faith in God thru his Words and promises of healing. Her teachers says she is even smarter and more advanced than her classmates.

Since my daughter has been healed from delayed speech and being completely healed from authism, Im now renegotiating with our Sydney office. They are not able to give me their last year's offer because I have been promoted so they have to give me a higher position and rate. I also now have offer from our Florida and New jersey office.

And most of all, we've become closer to God as we have experience His mighty moving in our life. The relationship becomes stronger and we truly believed now that God's promises are true because we have been a recipient of it.

Always remember what Romans 8:28 (NKJV) says "And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose."

Truly, praise God for He is good and worthy to be praised.


Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 25, 2012 at 06:17 PM
Wow! A very inspiring testimony sir! Amen to that.

i have a friend who just gave birth, unfortunately, the baby has strong indication na may down syndrome sya.

sa ganitong sitwasyon, i cant help but think/ask " ano intention ni God, trial lang for the parents pero yung bata ang kawawa? ano kasalanan nung bata if its a trial for the parents? :(

Mahirap yan. There are also times when trials occur to remind us that we are weak and nothing without God. Putting our Faith also means trusting God that whatever troubles may occur to us, we can be rest assured that God has better plans for us, as per sir JTs testimony.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Frankthetank on Sep 25, 2012 at 09:27 PM
Very inspiring testimony sir JT :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: anchit on Sep 26, 2012 at 03:58 PM
Sickness and physical abnormalities are results of man's fall ... not from God. All creations has suffered from Adam's sin thats why it is truly a deadly sin.

Let me share my testimony.

Thru our office internal transfer, I'm suppose to be relocating to Sydney last year. But my 4yr old daughter whom I declared with delayed speech was diagnosed by therapist with severe authism. Thus her visa was put on hold by AU immigration unless my office will give aud44k bond. So my move there did not push thru because it was not the company policy to provide as such. What has been agreed with my company then is to wdraw the visa application and once my daughter is ok, then we will renegotiate.

One of my main intention to go Sydney is to plant church work there as I was sent by our pastor. So have I questioned God why this has happened to me? Certainly.  And the answer I got from Him ... “Did I not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?”

Not only our move to Sydney was cancelled, I've already sold my house here so I have to rent (which is currently really expensive), my kids has to change school, and I also dont have a job because I already have a replacement from my former team since Im all set to go out of Singapore.

So how did I see God moved in our midst? I dont have a job for 3 months but Im recieving salary from my office. I come to office just to check if HR got something for me.  Where can you find such arrangements, no job but with pay? I have more time for my family, for the ministry and lots of time to rest and play during those period.

And when our HR found a job for me, I got a job stictly 8hrs a day, monday to friday, no overtime requirement, no production issue or implementation work. I just review business requirements and functional specification documents which is like only 1/3 of my previous job responsibilities. And after 3 mos, I got promoted with salary increase of course.  Our company promotion only given every January, I received mine in October last year.

But those are not the main thing God has done for me. March this year, my daughter has been cleared to enroll in a normal mainstream school. Without paying for specialist or seeking therapist help or even enrolling to a special school, my daughter can now speak and express herself clearly. In just a year's time, my daughter's progress was amazing.  Truly, God's work is evident.

The delayed speech and severe authism has been healed thru prayers and faith in God thru his Words and promises of healing. Her teachers says she is even smarter and more advanced than her classmates.

Since my daughter has been healed from delayed speech and being completely healed from authism, Im now renegotiating with our Sydney office. They are not able to give me their last year's offer because I have been promoted so they have to give me a higher position and rate. I also now have offer from our Florida and New jersey office.

And most of all, we've become closer to God as we have experience His mighty moving in our life. The relationship becomes stronger and we truly believed now that God's promises are true because we have been a recipient of it.

Always remember what Romans 8:28 (NKJV) says "And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose."

Truly, praise God for He is good and worthy to be praised.
thanks sir for sharing this.

another follow up question ( sir hindi ako nanunubok ha, hindi ko kasi talaga maintindihan lang). in my friend's case- hindi naman mawawala ang down syndrome, so if my friend gets a good good job, a better paying salary, a nice house, a car, gets to migrate etc- dosnt take out the fact that her son has down syndrome.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Sep 26, 2012 at 05:31 PM
thanks sir for sharing this.

another follow up question ( sir hindi ako nanunubok ha, hindi ko kasi talaga maintindihan lang). in my friend's case- hindi naman mawawala ang down syndrome, so if my friend gets a good good job, a better paying salary, a nice house, a car, gets to migrate etc- dosnt take out the fact that her son has down syndrome.

IMHO this is just my personal take, I think same din with me having the same thing with JT(just imagine) but my Dad still had Diabetes and had to die (..and that's without me asking forgiveness to him before he died).

It was genetic, his father my grand dad died to of it and one of my uncles, kelangan na magmaintenance ng gamot.

I prayed alot too for God to at least give me another 3 years with him but he still died.

It means, di natin maiintindihan some things sa mundo ng detailed until God himself tells us why He allows certain things to happen etc.

The only thing different with our circumstance is my dad is already up there and the child with downs is still here.

This is not to downplay the situation since I have not experienced it but masayahin naman atah mga may downs and maybe its better for him/her to stay that way etc.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Sep 26, 2012 at 06:01 PM
There are many forms of trials... isa sa paborito kong Bible character is Job. Job is righteous before God, never faltered... always doing good. And then trials came for him, all of a sudden, lahat na meron siya biglang nawala, even his wife came to the point that mock his God. Job replied:

Job 23:10 "But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold."


One of my favorite song when trials come...

by Ron Hamilton
God never moves without purpose or plan
When trying His servant and molding a man.
Give thanks to the LORD though your testing seems long;
In darkness He giveth a song.

I could not see through the shadows ahead;
So I looked at the cross of my Savior instead.
I bowed to the will of the Master that day;
Then peace came and tears fled away.

Now I can see testing comes from above;
God strengthens His children and purges in love.
My Father knows best, and I trust in His care;
Through purging more fruit I will bear.

O Rejoice in the LORD
He makes no mistake,
He knoweth the end of each path that I take,
For when I am tried
And purified,
I shall come forth as gold.

God bless and good morning!
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 26, 2012 at 09:01 PM
another follow up question ( sir hindi ako nanunubok ha, hindi ko kasi talaga maintindihan lang). in my friend's case- hindi naman mawawala ang down syndrome, so if my friend gets a good good job, a better paying salary, a nice house, a car, gets to migrate etc- dosnt take out the fact that her son has down syndrome.

That's a good point.  You emphasized the big difference between your friend's case and sir JT's case.

Sir rex provided the answer that I agree with:

It means, di natin maiintindihan some things sa mundo ng detailed until God himself tells us why He allows certain things to happen etc.

I know that's it's not too satisfying an answer. However, in my view, that is the right answer, one that sticks to what the bible teaches.

We can speculate all we want, but the truth is, we really can't know for sure what God intends.  All we can do is accept what is given to us and just trust that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (Rom. 8:28)

i have a friend who just gave birth, unfortunately, the baby has strong indication na may down syndrome sya.

sa ganitong sitwasyon, i cant help but think/ask " ano intention ni God, trial lang for the parents pero yung bata ang kawawa? ano kasalanan nung bata if its a trial for the parents? :(

Yes, kawawa nga ang bata.  But that's only one way of looking at it --- from the material point of view.

Another way of looking at it is from the spiritual point of view ---  puwede mo ring sabihin na suwerte pa nga yung bata.  Bakit?  Hindi kasi siya katulad natin, na madaling magkasala, madaling matukso.  Para lang siyang bata habang nabubuhay siya, na hindi maaaring magkaroon ng kasalanang ikamamatay.  Pag tanda niya, puwede ba siyang maging kidnapper, murderer, o terrorist?  E di hindi.

In that sense, baka nga mas mabuti pa ang isang down child sa atin, kasi katulad siya ng mga maliliit na batang tinutukoy ni Kristo --- "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these." (Lk. 18:16).  Therefore, sa palagay ko, derecho sila sa langit, talong-talo tayo. 

Gawin man ng Diyos ang isang tao na may Down Syndrome, none of us have any right to complain to our Maker, because our Maker is sovereign.

The bible puts it this way:

20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? (Rom. 9:20-21)   

9 “Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker, those who are nothing but potsherds among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘The potter has no hands’? (Is. 45:9)
 
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 26, 2012 at 09:59 PM
There are many forms of trials... isa sa paborito kong Bible character is Job. Job is righteous before God, never faltered... always doing good. And then trials came for him, all of a sudden, lahat na meron siya biglang nawala, even his wife came to the point that mock his God. Job replied:

Job 23:10 "But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold."


Namatay pa nga yun anak ni Job.

From Job 42:

10 After Job had prayed for his friends, the Lord restored his fortunes and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the Lord had brought on him, and each one gave him a piece of silver[a] and a gold ring.

12 The Lord blessed the latter part of Job’s life more than the former part. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys. 13 And he also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch. 15 Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job’s daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers.

16 After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years; he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation. 17 And so Job died, an old man and full of years.


In that sense, baka nga mas mabuti pa ang isang down child sa atin, kasi katulad siya ng mga maliliit na batang tinutukoy ni Kristo --- "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these." (Lk. 18:16).  Therefore, sa palagay ko, derecho sila sa langit, talong-talo tayo. 

Anak nga ba ni David yun namatay ng bata? Pero after the death of his Son, David was not sad anymore because David knows his son is saved.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 26, 2012 at 10:12 PM
Anak nga ba ni David yun namatay ng bata? Pero after the death of his Son, David was not sad anymore because David knows his son is saved.

Kung si David, baka yung ganito --- while the child was sick, he fasted and wept; when the child died, he got up and ate.  (2 Sam. 12:15-23)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Moks007 on Sep 27, 2012 at 02:18 PM
Sickness and physical abnormalities are results of man's fall ... not from God. All creations has suffered from Adam's sin thats why it is truly a deadly sin.

Let me share my testimony.

Thru our office internal transfer, I'm suppose to be relocating to Sydney last year. But my 4yr old daughter whom I declared with delayed speech was diagnosed by therapist with severe authism. Thus her visa was put on hold by AU immigration unless my office will give aud44k bond. So my move there did not push thru because it was not the company policy to provide as such. What has been agreed with my company then is to wdraw the visa application and once my daughter is ok, then we will renegotiate.

One of my main intention to go Sydney is to plant church work there as I was sent by our pastor. So have I questioned God why this has happened to me? Certainly.  And the answer I got from Him ... “Did I not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?”

Not only our move to Sydney was cancelled, I've already sold my house here so I have to rent (which is currently really expensive), my kids has to change school, and I also dont have a job because I already have a replacement from my former team since Im all set to go out of Singapore.

So how did I see God moved in our midst? I dont have a job for 3 months but Im recieving salary from my office. I come to office just to check if HR got something for me.  Where can you find such arrangements, no job but with pay? I have more time for my family, for the ministry and lots of time to rest and play during those period.

And when our HR found a job for me, I got a job stictly 8hrs a day, monday to friday, no overtime requirement, no production issue or implementation work. I just review business requirements and functional specification documents which is like only 1/3 of my previous job responsibilities. And after 3 mos, I got promoted with salary increase of course.  Our company promotion only given every January, I received mine in October last year.

But those are not the main thing God has done for me. March this year, my daughter has been cleared to enroll in a normal mainstream school. Without paying for specialist or seeking therapist help or even enrolling to a special school, my daughter can now speak and express herself clearly. In just a year's time, my daughter's progress was amazing.  Truly, God's work is evident.

The delayed speech and severe authism has been healed thru prayers and faith in God thru his Words and promises of healing. Her teachers says she is even smarter and more advanced than her classmates.

Since my daughter has been healed from delayed speech and being completely healed from authism, Im now renegotiating with our Sydney office. They are not able to give me their last year's offer because I have been promoted so they have to give me a higher position and rate. I also now have offer from our Florida and New jersey office.

And most of all, we've become closer to God as we have experience His mighty moving in our life. The relationship becomes stronger and we truly believed now that God's promises are true because we have been a recipient of it.

Always remember what Romans 8:28 (NKJV) says "And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose."

Truly, praise God for He is good and worthy to be praised.

Sir, a very inspiring story. God bless.

I just wanna share this. Recently, I have this cough that just won't go away. Couple of weeks ago, I coughed up blood and it really scared me. I was an ex-smoker. Doc told me to do a ctscan. Thank God the scan was normal and I found out I have  blebs in both my lungs. Its an inborn thing. These are bubbles that can burst anytime if aggravated thru very hard cough (I guess), scuba diving, high pressure areas like mountain climbing, and maybe lifting heavy weights. This can cause collapsed lungs. To make a long story short, sometimes talaga you can see God coming to your lives. You really see his hand at work. Like in my case, I coughed out blood, that led to my ctscan and therefore I found out I have blebs in my lungs.

I just have to be careful and if ever I can't breathe,  I just have to go to the emergency room and tell the doctor my condition. Btw, The next day after the diagnosis, my mom called me up and said my condition was in the chinese newspaper. It can kill if you don't know you have this condition bec. the doctors don't know you have this esp when you can't breathe.

I really believe God interfered and let me find out about my condition. I thank Him all the time with all the blessings. God bless Y'all
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: JT on Sep 27, 2012 at 02:35 PM
thanks sir for sharing this.

another follow up question ( sir hindi ako nanunubok ha, hindi ko kasi talaga maintindihan lang). in my friend's case- hindi naman mawawala ang down syndrome, so if my friend gets a good good job, a better paying salary, a nice house, a car, gets to migrate etc- dosnt take out the fact that her son has down syndrome.

IMHO this is just my personal take, I think same din with me having the same thing with JT(just imagine) but my Dad still had Diabetes and had to die (..and that's without me asking forgiveness to him before he died).

It was genetic, his father my grand dad died to of it and one of my uncles, kelangan na magmaintenance ng gamot.

I prayed alot too for God to at least give me another 3 years with him but he still died.

It means, di natin maiintindihan some things sa mundo ng detailed until God himself tells us why He allows certain things to happen etc.

I believe its not a mystery that God has reservations or not letting us know all but its a matter of knowing God's will. Is it God's will to heal? Is Jesus willing to heal? Is there a record that someone was healed from Down Syndrome thru FAITH?  All definitely YES.  The real mystery to me is why God heals some miraculously (instantly) and some progressively (thru period of time). 

So I guess the real question now is, do you truly believe that God can heal all diseases?  Was there a difference to Him in healing headache vs down syndrome? By His Word this world was created so I dont see any issue of God healing major disease by His Word also. Did Jesus rejected anyone who comes to Him for healing? Did Jesus had a problem healing major sickness?

I dont see any of that either in the bible but why healing is not happening sometimes?  We know God is almighty so what is limiting Him from healing?  My two keyword is HONOR and UNBELIEF.

Matthew 13:53-58 (NKJV)
Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these parables, that He departed from there. When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, “Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?” So they were offended at Him.

But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without HONOR except in his own country and in his own house.” Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their UNBELIEF.

Bible has also written what needs to be done.  In James 5:14-16 (NKJV) says,
Is anyone among you sick?
1). Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
2). And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up.
3). And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed.
4). The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.

We should also notice across scriptures that Salvation and Healing usually come together in the same verses.  One example is Psalm 103:1-5 (NKJV) which says
Bless the Lord, O my soul;
And all that is within me, bless His holy name!
Bless the Lord, O my soul,
And forget not all His benefits:
WHO FORGIVES ALL YOUR INIQUITIES,
WHO HEALS ALL YOUR DISEASES,
Who redeems your life from destruction,
Who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies,
Who satisfies your mouth with good things,
So that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.

Note that it says ALL, no exemption not even down syndrome.  Now if you believe that by "confessing in your mouth and believing in your heart that Jesus is Lord" you are saved because it is written,  why is it hard believing the same for healing?  There are lots of written promises in the scriptues for healing and its up to our FAITH to claim it.

Always remember this definition of FAITH:
FAITH is simply believing so
Even when it doesnt seems so
So that it will be so
BECAUSE GOD SAYS SO.

God bless.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Wildfire™ on Sep 27, 2012 at 09:33 PM
i think hindi reliable ang bible natin kasi di ba edited to nung panahon ni constantine para maging favorable sa mga romano
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 27, 2012 at 09:48 PM
i think hindi reliable ang bible natin kasi di ba edited to nung panahon ni constantine para maging favorable sa mga romano

Yun ata sir yun ginawang Latin yun Bible. Ang alam ko, the orig version is Hebrew-Aramaic. Gusto ko nga mag short study ng hebrew para mas maintindihan ko like yun petro - petras difference, yun word na love in english, 3 words pala sa hebrew.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 27, 2012 at 11:16 PM
i think hindi reliable ang bible natin kasi di ba edited to nung panahon ni constantine para maging favorable sa mga romano

Hindi naman sir.

Maraming versions ang bible, and God will make sure that we can easily get an accurate version if we really wanted to.  Otherwise, useless na ginsuto ng Diyos na magkaroon ng bible kung mali-mali rin naman pala ang translation, and that would not make sense.

Some bible versions are bad; but some are very good.  The most popular English version used to be the King James Version (KJV), which is very accurate.  The KJV was completed using a very painstaking word-for-word translation method (not just phrase by phrase or sentence by sentence), so you can be sure that's it's one of the best.  Today, the most popular English version is the New International Version (NIV), which is also a highly accurate version, maybe even slightly better than the KJV in many parts.

However, no single bible version can be considered entirely perfect.  The most accurate translation is probably the Young's literal translation, but even that is not perfect.  Nevertheless, in case of doubt, it is now easy to consult the original Hebrew and Greek texts.  You can easily look up Hebrew and Greek interlinear versions via the internet.     

Before the internet became common, I only had my KJV, New KJV, the Tagalog Poblete, and the Crudens Complete Concordance to consult.  Today, I can look up via the internet almost any version I want, including the Young's Literal, the Strong's Numbers, and the original Hebrew and Greek.



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Yun ata sir yun ginawang Latin yun Bible. Ang alam ko, the orig version is Hebrew-Aramaic.

The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew; the New Testament was originally written in Greek and Aramaic.

Actually, the Latin Vulgate is one of the most accurate versions.  This was translated into English, which was called the "Douay–Rheims Bible" (D-R), which is also accurate.  The D-R was one of the versions used as reference for the KJV translation.   


Gusto ko nga mag short study ng hebrew para mas maintindihan ko like yun petro - petras difference, yun word na love in english, 3 words pala sa hebrew.

Hindi na kailangan, sir.  Actually, imbis na makatulong, baka lalo pang makagulo.

Note that the language of the Old Testament is ancient Hebrew, which is not the same as the modern Hebrew of today's state of Israel.

Parang ganito --- nag-aral ka ng English, pero mahihirapan ka pa ring umintindi ng Shakespeare kahit English din yon.  Kasi Old English ang Shakespearean plays; pero ang alam mo ay modern English.

Using your example: kung Petros vs Petra ang kailangan (Koine Greek), ang useful na reference ay ang Strong's Numbers.  Petra is Strong's Number 4073; Petros is 4074:

http://concordances.org/greek/4073.htm
http://concordances.org/greek/4074.htm

You will recall that we discussed this live and in person ;) ---

I don't believe that the distinction is merely "stone" vs "rock," or" "small" vs. "big."  Petros can mean "stone," and it can also mean "rock."  However, Petra means a "connected rock."

Thus, Petros is not only a small stone; it can also be a big rock, as long as it is detached.  But if it's a huge boulder that is attached to something immovable, like a mountain or a cliff, then that's a Petra.  So the difference is not just size; the distinction is actually between "attached" and "detached." 

Therefore, pag sinabi ni Kristo na thou art Peter ("Petros"), puwedeng rock na malaki, basta detached.  Pero pag sinabi Niyang upon this rock (Petra) I will build my church, hindi lang malaking rock yon, it should be a huge boulder attached to an immovable object such as a mountain.  Yan ang tunay na foundation ng church na itinatag ni Kristo --- matinding pundasyon yon, di ba?  8)

So you see, a deep understanding of scripture can be acquired without having to learn conversational Hebrew.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Wildfire™ on Sep 27, 2012 at 11:28 PM
how about yung mga inalis na books from the bible pati na din yung dead sea scrolls
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 27, 2012 at 11:38 PM
how about yung mga inalis na books from the bible pati na din yung dead sea scrolls

Meron bang inalis? ;)   

Pero mahabang usapin yan sir. 

Depende kasi sa point of view yon.  For example: Kung Catholic ka, sasabihin mo yung KJV ay mali kasi kulang, at ang Catholic bible ay tama kasi kumpleto.  Pero kung Protestant ka, sasabihin mo yung KJV ay tama kasi mga orig lang ang laman, at ang Catholic bible ay mali kasi dinagdagan ng mga pirated :).

Hanggang diyan na lang ang comment ko, baka humaba, e ....  :-[
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Wildfire™ on Sep 27, 2012 at 11:54 PM
diyan nga din ako naguguluhan e  ;D
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Timithekid on Sep 28, 2012 at 06:41 AM
Meron bang inalis? ;)   

Pero mahabang usapin yan sir. 

Depende kasi sa point of view yon.  For example: Kung Catholic ka, sasabihin mo yung KJV ay mali kasi kulang, at ang Catholic bible ay tama kasi kumpleto.  Pero kung Protestant ka, sasabihin mo yung KJV ay tama kasi mga orig lang ang laman, at ang Catholic bible ay mali kasi dinagdagan ng mga pirated :).

Hanggang diyan na lang ang comment ko, baka humaba, e ....  :-[

Tumpak kayo dyan Atty. we all have to respect others' views kapag may kahalong orientation na ang napaguusapan kasi walang magpapatalo eh.  If its just an interpretation of the verses and chapters of the bible, then by all means, argue till hell freezes over, but if its an argument that one religion is better than the other, darn, giyera na naman. :( Oil and water don't mix but both can be placed in the same glass and sparks wont fly right? ;) pwede naman mag coexist basta may respeto. hehe.  :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 28, 2012 at 07:51 AM
That's right. 

Sa akin, OK lang ang debate sa "The Religion Thread" sa kabila.  Pero on this "The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life" thread, siguro dapat ceasefire na sa mga debate.

Dapat lang may lugar where Christians can experience stress-free sharing, di ba?  ;)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Waxx on Sep 28, 2012 at 08:19 AM
phillipians 4:13 has very much been my guide and my verse for my sporting inspiration.  i almost had  phl 4:13 tattoed over my left chest just above the heart area, but  decided that it would be better seen... so i always have it stitched on my jersey.

i came familiar with this verse when i saw evander holyfield beat tyson at his peak.  while everybody was rooting for tyson, evander just needed the blessing of God... he came out winning in a very very convincing way.

right now i can see another athlete inspired by this, si jon "bones" jones of mma... and the would always aknowledge this verse after the fight and i was surprised when i saw that he has this tattooed over his chest.  and now we know why he's dominating...

this is a great thread. thank you for this.. im learning a lot here.  right now im in a semi backslide, but im picking up myself to be devoted back to Him pretty soon.  i never forget to pray and talk to Him... ang naliligaw lang ng landas ko is the attending of service and ministries which im slowly trying to include in my filled schedule.

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 28, 2012 at 08:51 AM
That's right. 

Sa akin, OK lang ang debate sa "The Religion Thread" sa kabila.  Pero on this "The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life" thread, siguro dapat ceasefire na sa mga debate.

Dapat lang may lugar where Christians can experience stress-free sharing, di ba?  ;)

Thanks so much Atty.

Here's a verse para sa mga God inspired interpreters ng Bible:

Luke 12:48
48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

 ;)

diyan nga din ako naguguluhan e  ;D

It's normal bro. Tutal, magkalapit naman tayo, maybe we can help each other in out growth as children of God. Let's meet one of these days.  :)

philippinians 4:13 has very much been my guide and my verse for my sporting inspiration.  i almost had  phl 4:13 tattoed over my left chest just above the heart area, but  decided that it would be better seen... so i always have it stitched on my jersey.

i came familiar with this verse when i saw evander holyfield beat tyson at his peak.  while everybody was rooting for tyson, evander just needed the blessing of God... he came out winning in a very very convincing way.

right now i can see another athlete inspired by this, si jon "bones" jones of mma... and the would always aknowledge this verse after the fight and i was surprised when i saw that he has this tattooed over his chest.  and now we know why he's dominating...

this is a great thread. thank you for this.. im learning a lot here.  right now im in a semi backslide, but im picking up myself to be devoted back to Him pretty soon.  i never forget to pray and talk to Him... ang naliligaw lang ng landas ko is the attending of service and ministries which im slowly trying to include in my filled schedule.

Thanks for sharing. Masarap talaga yun may nakukuha tayong inspiration sa Bible. Nakakatulong sa everyday living natin maski sa sports or everyday living natin. For me kasi, attending service is one way of fellowship with other believers which also helps in inspiring us to be Jesus like.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Wildfire™ on Sep 28, 2012 at 09:41 AM

It's normal bro. Tutal, magkalapit naman tayo, maybe we can help each other in out growth as children of God. Let's meet one of these days.  :)

sure bro
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Frankthetank on Sep 28, 2012 at 10:10 AM
Meron bang inalis? ;)   


Meron sir, lalo na sa new testament. Examples are gospel of Thomas and book of Philip, marami pang iba di ko matandaan.

In fact today it is still a debate among Bible scholars which books should be included in the New Testament.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: nerveblocker on Sep 28, 2012 at 11:16 AM
Thanks Master Nelson for creating this thread.  I have been a Christian for a long time and have not been giving "tithes" during the service.  This doesn't mean that I do not give.  It is just not as the word implies as 1/10th of my earnings.  Let me just share you my experience in this aspect. 

10 years ago, my mom left for the States and I was left with the house.  This was an easy thing for me as I was just starting my practice and starting a family.  Within the year,  numerous demand letters arrived in the house and then I just knew that the house was long overdue for repossession by the bank.  This incident really tested my faith and I called up my mom about it.  She know about it and didn't provide any solution to it but for me to pay all the debts that was annotated in the land title for me to keep the house. I tried borrowing money from my in laws first (thru my wife). They were just living on their pension so I guess that was a dumb thing to do.  I tried also from relatives and friends who also denied my request for obvious reasons.  I felt so down and hopeless and was already looking for a place to rent. My wife and I prayed about it and when we attended church,  the message was about tithing.  I remember clearly the verse that was talked about...

Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.- Malachi 3:10

That verse struck me.  On going home, my wife and I made a promise to God to give a tenth of our earnings to tithes.  As we just made the promise, the next day, my practice started to kick off for some unexplainable reason.  I had a lot of referrals and I knew it would provide me the money to pay the debts one by one.  Everyday I prayed to God and on Sunday I give exactly 1/10th of my earnings.  I realized that every Sunday, my tithes were increasing meaning I am earning more but I stood on to my promise to the Lord.  Slowly I was able to pay the debts.  The title had been cleared of the annotations.   The Lord has already answered our prayers and has provided us much.  Since we still had extra money, we decided to have the house transferred to our name.  At the Register of Deeds, it showed that the land title's real estate tax hasn't been paid for 20 years.  Since the house was built, it wasn't declared.  In order for us to have the title transferred to our name, we need to pay the tax and penalties.  We prayed to the Lord thanking Him for the blessings he had given us and said "Lord isa pang hirit..."  :) As I was reading my Daily Bread, I encountered this verse...

"Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him."- 1 John 3:21-22

I realized then that when I pray, he answers back through His words.  I was thinking...."Is this a YES?"

During the time that we were in the process of having the house assessed by the assessor for the tax and penalties,  Paranaque offered tax amnesty.  This means that we will only pay the back taxes without penalties.  Praise God!  I really felt that the Lord was working with us.  After paying for everything,  we were just so happy to see our names in the land title. 

God really fulfills His promises as long as we are faithful to Him.  Eversince,  I have been helping in the ministries of the church and also in medical missions.  I admit that there are times that I backslide as we are still human and sinners but with the Grace of God he always puts me back in tow. 

Just sharing my experience.  I know that tithing is such a sensitive topic in church but nobody is compelled to give their tithes to church.  It is just faith in God and what he has done to my life that makes me want to give to Him and he hasn't failed me in His promise.

"Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.  Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work."- 2 Corinthians 9:6-8         

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Post by: Timithekid on Sep 28, 2012 at 12:03 PM
^ we must've paid on the same year doc!my dad got lucky also, 20 years worth if penalty in a blink of an eye was given as amnesty.  Although my dad was not huge on titheing, he volunteered his services to the Church instead, he did pro bono work for the parochial school and served as a lay minister during sunday Mass.( catholic kasi kami ) i guess the lesson that i got from it is to always try and serve the lord without expecting any in return, service lang and always believe that through faith, God will provide. :-)
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Post by: barrister on Sep 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM
Meron sir, lalo na sa new testament. Examples are gospel of Thomas and book of Philip, marami pang iba di ko matandaan.

Talagang marami pang iba.  In fact, hindi na nga kayang tandaan sa dami.  Here's the longest list I've ever seen:

http://www.toddtyszka.com/fulllist.html

Pero walang "inalis."  I can discuss this in detail in the Religion Thread, but not here.  Papangit kasi ang thread ni sir Nelson pag dito tayo nag discuss.
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Post by: nerveblocker on Sep 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM
^ we must've paid on the same year doc!my dad got lucky also, 20 years worth if penalty in a blink of an eye was given as amnesty.  Although my dad was not huge on titheing, he volunteered his services to the Church instead, he did pro bono work for the parochial school and served as a lay minister during sunday Mass.( catholic kasi kami ) i guess the lesson that i got from it is to always try and serve the lord without expecting any in return, service lang and always believe that through faith, God will provide. :-)

Actually it boils down in what is in your heart and the Lord sees that.  The exact amount is immaterial.  I am just as faithful in giving because of what I have experienced.   Sow first before you reap.   ;)
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Post by: Moks007 on Sep 30, 2012 at 06:46 AM
Thanks Master Nelson for creating this thread.  I have been a Christian for a long time and have not been giving "tithes" during the service.  This doesn't mean that I do not give.  It is just not as the word implies as 1/10th of my earnings.  Let me just share you my experience in this aspect. 

10 years ago, my mom left for the States and I was left with the house.  This was an easy thing for me as I was just starting my practice and starting a family.  Within the year,  numerous demand letters arrived in the house and then I just knew that the house was long overdue for repossession by the bank.  This incident really tested my faith and I called up my mom about it.  She know about it and didn't provide any solution to it but for me to pay all the debts that was annotated in the land title for me to keep the house. I tried borrowing money from my in laws first (thru my wife). They were just living on their pension so I guess that was a dumb thing to do.  I tried also from relatives and friends who also denied my request for obvious reasons.  I felt so down and hopeless and was already looking for a place to rent. My wife and I prayed about it and when we attended church,  the message was about tithing.  I remember clearly the verse that was talked about...

Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.- Malachi 3:10

That verse struck me.  On going home, my wife and I made a promise to God to give a tenth of our earnings to tithes.  As we just made the promise, the next day, my practice started to kick off for some unexplainable reason.  I had a lot of referrals and I knew it would provide me the money to pay the debts one by one.  Everyday I prayed to God and on Sunday I give exactly 1/10th of my earnings.  I realized that every Sunday, my tithes were increasing so that means, I am earning more but I stood on to my promise to the Lord.  In short, slowly I was able to pay the debts.  The title had been cleared of the annotations.   The Lord has already answered our prayers and has provided us much.  Since we still had extra money, we decided to have the house transferred to our name.  At the Register of Deeds, it showed that the land title's real estate tax hasn't been paid for 20 years and since the house was built, it wasn't declared.  In order for us to have the title transferred to our name, we need to pay the tax and penalties.  We prayed to the Lord thanking Him for the blessings he had given us and said "Lord isa pang hirit..."  :) As I was reading my Daily Bread, I encountered this verse...

"Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him."- 1 John 3:21-22

I realized then that when I pray, he answers back through His words.  I was thinking...."Is this a YES?"

During the time that we were in the process of having the house assessed by the assessor for the tax and penalties,  Paranaque offered tax amnesty.  This means that we will only pay the back taxes without penalties.  Praise God!  I really felt that the Lord was working with us.  After paying for everything,  we were just so happy to see our names in the land title. 

God really fulfills His promises as long as we are faithful to Him.  Eversince,  I have been helping in the ministries of the church and also in medical missions.  I admit that there are times that I backslide as we are still human and sinners but with the Grace of God he always puts me back in tow. 

Just sharing my experience.  I know that tithing is such a sensitive topic in church and nobody is compelled to give their tithes to church.  It is just faith in God and what he has done to my life that makes me want to give to Him and he hasn't failed me in His promise.

"Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.  Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work."- 2 Corinthians 9:6-8       

Great inspiring story doc. God bless
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Post by: nerveblocker on Sep 30, 2012 at 08:59 PM
Great inspiring story doc. God bless

Thanks Raymund.  Miracles do happen.  ;)
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Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 01, 2012 at 02:58 AM
Thanks Raymund.  Miracles do happen.  ;)

There was this saying sa church. If we can try to list all of our prayer request and mark those that have been answered, magugulat daw tayo how God have always listened to our prayers.
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Post by: JT on Oct 01, 2012 at 11:01 AM
There was this saying sa church. If we can try to list all of our prayer request and mark those that have been answered, magugulat daw tayo how God have always listened to our prayers.

Read the life and testimonies of George Mueller and you'll see a Man of Prayer experiencing amazing miracles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_M%C3%BCller

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Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 03, 2012 at 09:16 AM
Read the life and testimonies of George Mueller and you'll see a Man of Prayer experiencing amazing miracles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_M%C3%BCller

A very good example of prayer at work. Thanks for the link. Very inspiring din.
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Post by: rexFi on Oct 10, 2012 at 05:58 PM
Just sharing one of the links I came through today:

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Sovereignty and faith are not mutually exclusive. When we look at the men and women of the Bible, and all that they walked through and saw God fulfill, we see that the two go hand in hand.  Listening to the two extremes of Christians here on earth is what causes us to believe they are mutually exclusive.

True Biblical faith begins with accepting the Lordship of Christ. Just as it is that way with faith unto salvation, it is that way with faith unto fulfillment of all of God’s promises—universal or personal.

http://www.shadesofgrace.org/2010/12/31/overcoming-adversity-101-pt-9-sovereignty-vs-healing/ (http://www.shadesofgrace.org/2010/12/31/overcoming-adversity-101-pt-9-sovereignty-vs-healing/)
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Post by: Moks007 on Oct 15, 2012 at 07:19 AM
I will just post this here rather than the other thread.


Heaven is real, says neurosurgeon who claims to have visited the afterlife
By Eric Pfeiffer, Yahoo! News

   
Dr. Eben Alexander claims to have visited the afterlife (Twitter)Dr. Eben Alexander has taught at Harvard Medical School and has earned a strong reputation as a neurosurgeon. And while Alexander says he's long called himself a Christian, he never held deeply religious beliefs or a pronounced faith in the afterlife.

But after a week in a coma during the fall of 2008, during which his neocortex ceased to function, Alexander claims he experienced a life-changing visit to the afterlife, specifically heaven.

"According to current medical understanding of the brain and mind, there is absolutely no way that I could have experienced even a dim and limited consciousness during my time in the coma, much less the hyper-vivid and completely coherent odyssey I underwent," Alexander writes in the cover story of this week's edition of Newsweek.

So what exactly does heaven look like?

Alexander says he first found himself floating above clouds before witnessing, "transparent, shimmering beings arced across the sky, leaving long, streamer like lines behind them."

He claims to have been escorted by an unknown female companion and says he communicated with these beings through a method of correspondence that transcended language. Alexander says the messages he received from those beings loosely translated as:

"You are loved and cherished, dearly, forever."

"You have nothing to fear."

"There is nothing you can do wrong."

From there, Alexander claims to have traveled to "an immense void, completely dark, infinite in size, yet also infinitely comforting." He believes this void was the home of God.

After recovering from his meningitis-induced coma, Alexander says he was reluctant to share his experience with his colleagues but found comfort inside the walls of his church. He's chronicled his experience in a new book, "Proof of Heaven: A neurosurgeon's journey into the afterlife," which will be published in late October.

"I'm still a doctor, and still a man of science every bit as much as I was before I had my experience," Alexander writes. "But on a deep level I'm very different from the person I was before, because I've caught a glimpse of this emerging picture of reality. And you can believe me when I tell you that it will be worth every bit of the work it will take us, and those who come after us, to get it right."

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Post by: rexFi on Oct 15, 2012 at 12:46 PM
I will just post this here rather than the other thread.

...


It should be posted in another, since it does not even quote the Bible and the Christian Life.

ALTHOUGH :D some people need Miracles and Supernatural experiences to believe in God so yeah.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 19, 2012 at 08:46 PM
How do you take control or manage anger? Is it related to our heart? What's your view of our heart?

 ;)
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Post by: tigkal on Oct 24, 2012 at 03:17 PM
How do you take control or manage anger? Is it related to our heart? What's your view of our heart?

 ;)

Anger management is all about choices. All things happen first in the mind before it becomes reality. That is how you control anger. You choose not to be angry, even if your heart is beating fast. But sometimes being angry gets things done.
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Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 24, 2012 at 06:59 PM
Anger management is all about choices. All things happen first in the mind before it becomes reality. That is how you control anger. You choose not to be angry, even if your heart is beating fast. But sometimes being angry gets things done.

So anger comes from both the mind and heart? I mean biblically, How can we manage anger...?
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Post by: dpogs on Oct 24, 2012 at 07:18 PM
So anger comes from both the mind and heart? I mean biblically, How can we manage anger...?

magandang batayan ang 'galit' sa spirituality ng isang tao. madaling magalit ang isang taong mababa ang spirituality, walang pagtitimpi at walang pinipiling lugar o salita.

there is no exact formula on how to deal/manage our anger, but it depends on how much word of God we take everyday and how we let the Spirit of God works in our life.

Nang magalit si Jesus, pinagsisipa niya at pinaglalatigo ang mga paninda ng mga tao sa loob ng templo.

kung magagalit man tayo, siguraduhing walang masamang pananalita ang lalabas sa ating bibig na makakasakit sa damdamin ng ibang tao.
kung magaglit man tayo, at kailangang may parusang ipapataw, palipasin muna ang galit bago magpataw ng parusa.
kung mamagalit man tayo, sigurduhing huwag mananakit agad agad (poot na ang tawag doon at kasalanan na iyon), magpalipas ng oras saka balikan ang sanhi ng pagkagalit.
kung magagalit man siguraduhing nasa lugar at tama ang dahilan bakit nagalit.

kung sakaling hindi nasunod ang mga nasa itaas, magpalipas ng galit saka balikan ang nasaktan/nakagalitan at humingi ng paumanhin at magpakumbaba.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 24, 2012 at 08:15 PM
One pastor told me that anger is a normal human reaction. It's how you react to that anger that counts. Madalas nga, kung mapapansin natin, nag re-react agad tayo sa anger. Sometimes, tama ang reaction, sometimes mali. Ang masakit sa akin minsan, admittedly, maski tama ang reaction ko, yun interior motive ko ang mali. Example, being sarcastic.
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Post by: JT on Oct 24, 2012 at 10:10 PM
So anger comes from both the mind and heart? I mean biblically, How can we manage anger...?

Here are some of many key verses that can help:
James 1:19-20 (NKJV) "So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be SWIFT TO HEAR, SLOW TO SPEAK, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God."

Check the sequence. Most of the time kasi we are the other way around. SLOW TO HEAR, SWIFT TO SPEAK kaya it brings anger easily. Its a  principle that if you are able to learn to listen eagerly and speak cautiously, then anger can be controlled easily as well.

It also starts by keeping your thought clean as in Philippians 4:8 (NKJV) "Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things."

And actually, bear in mind only a habit overcomes another habit, a character another character. So you need cultivate more joyfulness and love so that it will overcome anger and hate.  Fill your minds with these and there will be no room negativity in your thought, words and actions.

And most of all learn to forgive easily. This is usually the root. Remember, God forgives us as we forgive. And if you believe that you are freely forgiven, you will also freely forgive.

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Post by: tigkal on Oct 25, 2012 at 11:30 AM
So anger comes from both the mind and heart? I mean biblically, How can we manage anger...?

Just follow the life of Christ. Kaya may sample na pinakita on how to live your life. Kung magalit ka, not on the person but on the items that caused the anger. I think there was only one incident that Christ showed his anger, at the money changers.. I have a staff who was angry with the boss. I told her that instead of being angry with the boss, you should pity him, because he cannot understand your explanation. And it was effective daw. To prevent road rage, when someone cuts you in and seems to be in a hurry, you pity him, because he might be having a bum stomach and in a hurry to go to the toilet.. That thinking seems to temper the rage.. There are other ways to temper the anger, it is just a matter of the frame of your mind..
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Post by: rexFi on Oct 25, 2012 at 03:20 PM
One pastor told me that anger is a normal human reaction. It's how you react to that anger that counts. Madalas nga, kung mapapansin natin, nag re-react agad tayo sa anger. Sometimes, tama ang reaction, sometimes mali. Ang masakit sa akin minsan, admittedly, maski tama ang reaction ko, yun interior motive ko ang mali. Example, being sarcastic.

I agree with your Pastor. :)

My main guide for it is, The in your anger do not sin thingie and taming the tongue sa Epistle of James.

And remember, we must "forgive so we'll also be forgiven", Jesus said it on some bible verse hehe
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Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 25, 2012 at 04:21 PM
I agree with your Pastor. :)

My main guide for it is, The in your anger do not sin thingie and taming the tongue sa Epistle of James.

And remember, we must "forgive so we'll also be forgiven", Jesus said it on some bible verse hehe

Ordinaryong tao lamang po ako, in a life long journey/quest to be a child of God. maganda nga yan book of James.

James 3
New International Version (NIV)
Taming the Tongue

3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.

3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

7 All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind, 8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

here is something naman about anger:

Luke 6:45
New International Version (NIV)
45 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
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Post by: rexFi on Oct 25, 2012 at 04:29 PM
Quote
here is something naman about anger:

Luke 6:45
New International Version (NIV)
45 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

Evil is equals to Anger kagad? hmm that's new to me. :) but ok sir.
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Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 25, 2012 at 04:39 PM
Evil is equals to Anger kagad? hmm that's new to me. :) but ok sir.

Hindi naman siguro sir. Baka nagkamali lang ang ng pagkaka-relate.  ;D What i meant was, usually, anger, madalas roots from the heart. So by controlling our heart with our mind, makaka-lessen ito sa anger. And hopefully, be a better child of God.

Minsan nga, nagco-contemplate ako, hindi kaya ginagamit ng demonyo ang anger natin para magkamali tayo?  ;D
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Post by: rexFi on Oct 25, 2012 at 05:49 PM
Hindi naman siguro sir. Baka nagkamali lang ang ng pagkaka-relate.  ;D What i meant was, usually, anger, madalas roots from the heart. So by controlling our heart with our mind, makaka-lessen ito sa anger. And hopefully, be a better child of God.

Minsan nga, nagco-contemplate ako, hindi kaya ginagamit ng demonyo ang anger natin para magkamali tayo?  ;D

Ah ok. :)

Regarding sa nakaBold, ayon sa movie na Constantine, Oo daw eh :) HEHE joke lang.
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Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 25, 2012 at 06:19 PM
Ah ok. :)

Regarding sa nakaBold, ayon sa movie na Constantine, Oo daw eh :) HEHE joke lang.

I remember that movie. Mapanuod nga ulit. Btw, my kids and i watched Joyful Noise last night. kinda secular pero maganda pa din.
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Post by: JT on Oct 25, 2012 at 06:29 PM
One pastor told me that anger is a normal human reaction. It's how you react to that anger that counts. Madalas nga, kung mapapansin natin, nag re-react agad tayo sa anger. Sometimes, tama ang reaction, sometimes mali. Ang masakit sa akin minsan, admittedly, maski tama ang reaction ko, yun interior motive ko ang mali. Example, being sarcastic.

Yep, anger is inherent to man but bible says we have to put away those things.

Ephesians 4:31-32 (NKJV) "Let all bitterness, wrath, ANGER, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you."

but it is possible to be angry yet do not commit sin. Same way Jesus got angry with the people who turned the temple into a marketplace.

Ephesians 4:25-27 (NIV) "Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body. “In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, and do not give the devil a foothold."

Minsan nga, nagco-contemplate ako, hindi kaya ginagamit ng demonyo ang anger natin para magkamali tayo?  ;D

Nope the devil uses LIES, ANGER is our own device. We get decieved thru lies that leads us to anger and anger gives the devil a foothold in our life.

Try to examine yourself.  Find the lie behind those sins, those vices, those bad behaviors you are committing. And once you identified them, find the truth in God's words. Search the scriptures for the truth and abide by it because the bible says "AND YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE".

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Post by: barrister on Oct 25, 2012 at 09:24 PM
How do you take control or manage anger? Is it related to our heart? What's your view of our heart?

 ;)

 
Hindi naman laging masama na magalit.  In fact, may pagkakataon na dapat ka ngang magalit, at nagkakasala ka pag hindi ka nagalit.
 
May anger na tama at may anger na mali.
 
Yung galit na mali, is it related to our heart?  Yes, of course.  The anger came from within yourself.  Sabi ni Hesus:
 
20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” (Mark 7:20-23)
 
Ano ang utos tungkol sa galit na mali?

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: (Mt. 5:21-22)

 
Bawal magalit, pero dito naman, utos na magalit:
 
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: (Eph. 4:26)
 
The NIV translates this as "In your anger do not sin."  But the Original Greek word used was "ὀργίζεσθε" ("orgizw," pronounced orgid-zo) --- Strong's Number G3710, used as a verb in the imperative mood.  Therefore, the correct translation is "be angry," not "in your anger."
 
http://interlinearbible.org/ephesians/4.htm (http://interlinearbible.org/ephesians/4.htm)
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G3710 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G3710)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+4&version=YLT (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+4&version=YLT)
 
Bakit dito, utos ang magalit?  Kasi ito ay galit na tama. 
 
Kung ang kapatid mo ay ulit-ulit na binubugbog ang kanyang asawa, dapat ka bang magalit, o huwag ka na lang makialam kasi away mag-asawa lang yon? 
 
Dapat kang magalit.  Utos nga iyon e. 
 
Pero ang sabi, "Be ye angry, and sin not."  Therefore, dapat kang magalit sa ginagawa ng kapatid mo, pero huwag mo siyang pukpukin ng martilyo sa ulo, kasi ang sabi, "sin not."   Pagsabihan mo.  Magagalit sa iyo yon, siyempre.  O kaya tulungan mo yung asawa na magreklamo ng Violence Against Women.  Lalong magagalit sa iyo yon.  Pero tungkulin mo yon bilang mabuting Kristiyano.
 
E di puro away ang idudulot non?  Ganon talaga.  Kaya nga ang sabi ni Hesus, hindi kapayapaan ang dala Niya kundi isang tabak:

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— 36a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ (Mt. 10:34-36)
 
Katunayan lang na hindi masamang magalit kung ito ay righteous anger ng Diyos.
 
Shabu addict ang tatay mo.  Sisitahin mo, o hindi ka na lang kikibo para walang away?  Sisitahin mo siyempre.  E di mag-aaway na kayo.  Ganon talaga.  Sa ganong sitwasyon, tabak ang dala ni Kristo, kasi hindi maiiwasan na mag-aaway ang mga miyembro ng pamilya pag sumusunod sa Diyos ang isa at sumusunod naman sa demonyo yung isa.
 
 
========================================== 
 
 
So ano ang dapat gawin para ma-control ang galit?
 
This is one of my favorite verses, yung sa kanta ni Basil Valdez:
 
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” (Mt.11: 28-30)
 
Ang sabi, kung napapagod ka, lumapit ka kay Kristo, at bibigyan ka Niya ng kapahingahan.  Pero ang sabi rin, bibigyan ka Niya ng pamatok na madali at magaan.  Akala ko ba pagpapahingahin, e bakit may bubuhatin pa rin na pamatok? 
 
Ang papasanin na pamatok ay ang utos ni Kristo.  Ano ang utos sa anger?  Bawal magalit kung hindi righteous anger ng Diyos.  Utos ni Moises, huwag kang papatay.  Pero ang utos ni Kristo, hindi lang bawal ang pumatay, bawal ding magalit sa kapatid, at pag nagalit ka sa kapatid, you are in danger of the judgment. 
 
Ano ang konek ng murder sa anger?  Kasi sa anger nag-uumipsa yan.  Habang tumatagal ang galit, lumalaki nang lumalaki, hanggang sa mapatay mo na siya sa sobrang galit.   
 
Mahirap bang pigilin ang galit?  Hindi.  Pag nagalit ka, ikaw rin ang mapapagod at mahihirapan.  Pag wala kang galit, peaceful at kalmado ang isip at kalooban mo. 
 
Kaya nga kung pagod ka na sa madalas mong galit, pasanin mo ang utos ni Kristo na bawal magalit, at ikaw rin ang magiginhawahan.  For His yoke is easy and His burden is light.   
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Nov 27, 2012 at 05:57 PM
I just watched the movie "Have A Little Faith". Maganda. You guys might want to check it out.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Dec 03, 2012 at 12:21 PM
Prayer request bro's...

My wife is having a few issues with an unknown number txting her with obscene messages. It was annoying at first, up until the messages are getting very threatening (i know where you live etc etc) and I'm gettin pretty pissed off. :D We reckon its someone she knows or someone who seen our ads in online like Sulit etc.

Another annoying thing is that... well I can't say it here. ^_^
Basta we are just normal citizens. We don't need this kind of thing.

I know this is public forum. But atleast may record ako online hehe. :)

TIA and God Bless.

No weapon formed against you shall prosper,
And every tongue which rises against you in judgment
You shall condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord,
And their righteousness is from Me,”
Says the Lord.


Isaiah 54:17
New King James Version (NKJV)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 03, 2012 at 06:26 PM
Noted. kindly PM details.
Title: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life - Dying to Self
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 23, 2012 at 08:17 AM
Allow me to share some topics we have discussed:

DYING TO SELF IS…

1.   When you are forgotten, or neglected, or purposely set to nothing, and you don't sting and hurt with the insult or the oversight, but your heart is happy, being counted worthy to suffer for Christ.

2.   When your good is evil spoken of, when your wishes are crossed, your advice disregarded, your opinions ridiculed, and you refuse to let anger rise in your heart, or even defend yourself, but take it all in patient, loving silence.

3.   When you lovingly and patiently bear any disorder, any irregularity, any impunctuality, or any annoyance; when you stand face-to- face with waste, folly, extravagance, spiritual insensibility - and endure it as Jesus endured.

4.   When you are content with any food, any offering, any climate, any clothing, or any interruption by the will of God.

5.   When you never care to refer to yourself in conversation, or to record your own good works, or itch after commendations, when you can truly love to be unknown.

6.   When you can see your brother prosper and have his needs met and can honestly rejoice with him in spirit and feel no envy, nor question God, while your own needs are far greater and in desperate circumstances.

7.   When you can receive correction and reproof from one of less stature than yourself and can humbly submit inwardly as well as outwardly, finding no rebellion or resentment rising up within your heart.

Are you dead yet?

“I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship
of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death.”

Phil.3:10

For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sinmight be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— because anyone who has died has been set free from sin. Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Romans 6:6-11

Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.
Luke 9:23

Ano mga experience ninyo from 1-7 probably here in PDvd or outside and how did you react?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: JT on Jan 01, 2013 at 11:21 AM
As I look back, 2012 seems like the world went on a stand still. Time flies so fast and neither good or bad outweighs each other. It was like the world was waiting for someone or something that will give new hope and new life. Even now, there's no indication in the horizon that year 2013 will be a better year.

Especially for me as I was really yearning to reach out to a new place, this year was definitely a year of waiting. Like I was stuck in the wilderness or going astray in the desert. I can't help but cry out to the Lord, how long should I wait.

And just when I'm really getting bored, frustrated and disappointed. When it seems things becomes even more uncertain in 2013 for everyone, I felt God has spoken Isaiah 43:18-19 to His people.

“Do not remember the former things,
Nor consider the things of old.
Behold, I will do a new thing,
Now it shall spring forth;
Shall you not know it?
I will even make a road in the wilderness
And rivers in the desert."

Truly, God will do something new in 2013 and I wouldn't want to miss it for the world. Thank you God for the new hope and the new life. Surely, 2013 will be an exciting year of the Lord.

And it is my prayer, that all of you will be partakers of this promise as well.

Have a happy and blessed 2013 to us all!!!
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 15, 2013 at 08:48 AM
Something to ponder at times kung galit tayo and or we seek revenge:

Deuteronomy 32:35
New International Version (NIV)
35 It is mine to avenge; I will repay.
    In due time their foot will slip;
their day of disaster is near
    and their doom rushes upon them.”

Romans 12:19
New International Version (NIV)
19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[a] says the Lord.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM
My aunt and I watched Fireproof the other night. Very touchy pa din despite 3rd time ko na pinanuod.
I also bought some inspirational blu rays. If any of you guys wants to have an eb, fellowship and watch this here in my place, game ako.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 24, 2013 at 09:56 PM
I just watched "What If" the other night. Maganda siya. I suggest you watch it.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jun 04, 2013 at 10:20 AM
I just watched The Perfect Stranger and Another Perfect Stranger. Ang ganda siya. Very simple ang explanation niya re faith. It's fictional pero i strongly suggest that you watch it.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jun 06, 2013 at 11:06 AM
And, if you want to register your child at our AWANA program, you can PM me for details. It will start This Saturday, 9 am at GCFNorth Jocfer Bldg Commonwealth Ave. QC.

here's a link:
http://awana.org/
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Jun 06, 2013 at 11:12 AM
^ +1

Title: Re: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jun 09, 2013 at 07:18 PM
^ +1

Thanks thanks.

Or if any of you guys want to sponsor streetchildren here, you can also pm me for details.

Remember, you may make a difference to a child's future.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: nerveblocker on Jul 19, 2013 at 05:38 PM
My aunt and I watched Fireproof the other night. Very touchy pa din despite 3rd time ko na pinanuod.
I also bought some inspirational blu rays. If any of you guys wants to have an eb, fellowship and watch this here in my place, game ako.


Courageous is another Christian movie.  Very inspirational!
Title: Re: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jul 19, 2013 at 05:44 PM
Courageous is another Christian movie.  Very inspirational!

Yeah! Ganda din ng ending.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Aug 18, 2013 at 10:25 PM
Partally taken from:

http://www.angelfire.com/music5/dcband/service.html

For those who are comtemplating or in service to the Lord (Which we all believers supposed are  ;D)

To properly understand the discipline of service, we must clearly distinguish it from “self-righteous service:”

Self-righteous service comes through human effort. It expends immense amounts of energy calculating and scheming how to render service. . . It is impressed with the “big deal” (big projects). . . It requires external rewards. It needs to know that people see and appreciate the effort. . . It is highly concerned about results. It eagerly waits to see if the person served will reciprocate in kind. It becomes bitter when the results fall below expectation.. . . It picks and chooses whom to serve. . . It insists on meeting the need even when to do so would be destructive. . . It is affected by moods and whims. It can serve only when there is a “feeling” to serve”. . . It is temporary . . . Insensitive . . . Fractures community” (Foster, 128-129).

True Service comes from a relationship with the divine Other deep inside. We serve out of whispered promptings, divine urgings. . . True service rests contented in hidden-ness. It does not fear the lights and blare of attention, but it does not seek them either. . . True service is indiscriminate in its ministry. It has heard the command of Jesus to be the “servant of all” (Mark 9:35). . . True service ministers simply and faithfully because there is a need. . . True service is a life-style. It acts from ingrained patterns of living. . . True service builds community. It quietly and unpretentiously goes about caring for the needs of others. It draws, binds, heals, builds (Foster, 128-130).

True service is a result of giving up control; of submitting to the will of God in our lives. God uses this discipline to teach us humility. For humility is one of those character traits that can never be attained by seeking. The more we chase after it, the farther it is from us, and the minute we think we have attained it, we simply prove otherwise by our own arrogance.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 06, 2013 at 12:10 AM
Cross-posting as per the request of master Nelson:
 
Started as a joke from sir ninja:
 
kung religious kayo mga bro wag kayo magreklamo sa mga ganyan kasi sabi nga sa matthew .. blessed are the poor  :P

Short comment lang ako, kasi super-OT:
 
Mt. 5:3 doesn't say, "Blessed are the poor," it says, "Blessed are the poor in spirit."

Siyempre, ang susunod na tanong ay --- ano ang kaibahan ng "poor" sa "poor in spirit"?

Mahabang diskusyon yan e ...  ;)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 06, 2013 at 12:22 AM
Beatitude!

Medjo di ko masagot yan difference na yan. Why? Because we should be rich in God's Spirit dba? The Holy Spirit. So paano nga ba naging blessed ang poor in spirit? Is it because God is looking/watching upon them so they may be children of God in the future?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 06, 2013 at 02:06 AM
poor in spirit means the non-believers ???
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 06, 2013 at 04:02 PM
poor in spirit means the non-believers ???

No, that's not it.
 
Kung ganon, magiging ganito:  Blessed are the non-believers for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 
E di kung believer ka, hindi ka blessed.  Dapat maging non-believer ka para maging blessed ka. 
 
That wouldn't make sense.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 06, 2013 at 04:30 PM
Beatitude!

Medjo di ko masagot yan difference na yan. Why? Because we should be rich in God's Spirit dba? The Holy Spirit. So paano nga ba naging blessed ang poor in spirit? Is it because God is looking/watching upon them so they may be children of God in the future?

To understand it, we should keep in mind that the New Testament was originally written not in English, but in Greek.
 
Eto ang Greek interlinear:
 
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/5-3.htm (http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/5-3.htm)
 
In Mt. 5:3, the word "poor" is a translation of the original Greek "ptōchoi."  It literally means, "to crouch or cower like a beggar."  Figuratively, it means "one who is utterly destitute."   
 
It refers to being beggarly, not just to someone who is poor but not a beggar. 
 
In contrast, the poor widow in Luke 21:2 was poor, but was not a beggar.  In that verse, the word "poor" was a translation from the original "penichran" --- one who is so poor that he can barely make ends meet, but is not a beggar. http://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/21-2.htm (http://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/21-2.htm)
 
Mt. 5:3 says that those who are beggarly in spirit are blessed.  Like a literal beggar who is aware that he cannot survive without the generosity of alms-givers, the one who is beggarly in spirit recognizes that he cannot spiritually survive without God's grace.  Therefore, blessed are they who crouch and cower, begging for God's grace, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 
Simply stated, being "poor in spirit" means being "humble in spirit," as opposed to having "pride in spirit."
 
Title: Re: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 06, 2013 at 07:52 PM

To understand it, we should keep in mind that the New Testament was originally written not in English, but in Greek and Aramaic.
 
Eto ang Greek interlinear:
 
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/5-3.htm (http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/5-3.htm)
 
In Mt. 5:3, the word "poor" is a translation of the original Greek "ptōchoi."  It literally means, "to crouch or cower like a beggar."  Figuratively, it means "one who is utterly destitute."   
 
It refers to being beggarly, not just to someone who is poor but not a beggar. 
 
In contrast, the poor widow in Luke 21:2 was poor, but was not a beggar.  In that verse, the word "poor" was a translation from the original "penichran" --- one who is so poor that he can barely make ends meet, but is not a beggar. http://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/21-2.htm (http://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/21-2.htm)
 
Mt. 3:5 says that those who are beggarly in spirit are blessed.  Like a literal beggar who is aware that he cannot survive without the generosity of alms-givers, the one who is beggarly in spirit recognizes that he cannot spiritually survive without God's grace.  Therefore, blessed are they who crouch and cower, begging for God's grace, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 
Simply stated, being "poor in spirit" means being "humble in spirit," as opposed to having "pride in spirit."

Wow. Thank you very much for the explanation. Kaya gustong gusto ko matuto ng hebrew, greek aramaic language used in the bible. Sobra daw magiging in-depth ang knowledge mo thereby strengthening your faith.

And honestly very timely din yan explanation mo. Sometimes I have this habit din of nawawala ang dependency ko sa Diyos. Sometimes nagiging "self righteous" ako to a point na i do things not to glorify God but to glorify myself.
Haaay...
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 06, 2013 at 10:57 PM
thanks barrister :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: whirlpool on Sep 07, 2013 at 12:35 AM
Share lang ako ng opinion ko.

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven:
Ang pagkaunawa ko po kapag poor in spirit ang isang tao ang pakiramdam nya ay may inadequacy sa kanyang puso about spiritual salvation. Pakiramdam nya ay sobrang makasalanan sya. That is why they always pray and ask guidance from the Lord. Isa sa dahilan para maligtas at magmamana ng Kaharian ng Diyos.

Blessed are the poor, for yours is the Kingdom of God:
Dahil hirap sa buhay, ni hindi makakain ng tatlong beses sa loob ng isang araw at dumadanas ng ibat ibang pagsubok sa buhay, sila ay madalas manalangin at laging nakaka alala sa Diyos. Humihingi ng pagasa, konting biyaya, kapatawaran at maligtas sa kasamaan pagdating ng huling araw. Pero hindi rin ibig sabihin na dahil mahirap ka ay blessed ka na at magmamana na agad ng kaharian ng Diyos.

On the other hand, meron namang mga mayaman (hindi lahat) whom they feel they are spiritually blessed dahil sila ay may material wealth. Walang ginawa kundi ipangalandakan ang kanilang pagtulong sa kapwa. At meron din namang mga tao na ginagamit ang pagiging mahirap nila para gawing hanap buhay.

Mayaman ka man na naghahanap ng tunay na spiritual enlighthement o mahirap na tao na totoong nananalagin at gumagawa ng naayon sa kagustuhan ng Diyos ay magmamana ng kaharian. Being poor in spirit or being poor like beggars ang tendency natin is to seek the mercy of God. Nagiging simula at daan patungo sa Kristiyanong buhay.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 07, 2013 at 02:06 PM
Very good observations, sir whirlpool.

That is a comparison between the Matthew beatitudes and the Luke beatitudes. 

Mt. 5:3 says, "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."  Matthew was a Jew, and the intended audience is Jewish.  His account is usually called the "Sermon on the Mount" because Jesus delivered the Matthew beatitudes after "He went up on a mountainside and sat down."  Similar to Moses who climbed the mount.

Lk. 6:20 says, "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God."  Luke was most probably a Gentile, and his intended audience was the non-Jewish.  His account is usually called the "Sermon on the Plain" because Jesus delivered the Luke beatitudes after "He went down with them and stood on a level place." 

Unlike Matthew (a former tax collector), who was one of the disciples, Luke (a doctor) was not one of the 12 apostles who actually witnessed the events he wrote about.  That is why Luke explained in his address to Theophilus in Lk. 1: 1-4:

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

The translation "poor" in both verses came from the Greek "ptōchoi," showing that both versions refer to the same thing --- crouching and cowering as a beggar.  Therefore, the main idea in both verses is about the spiritually humble, even if it is true that being materially poor has a strong connection to being spiritually humble.

The difference in the two renditions is in the emphasis.  The Matthew version emphasized the spiritual aspect.   But the Luke version gave emphasis to the connection between being materially poor and being spiritually humble.

However, Luke does not mean that being materially poor automatically leads to spiritual humility.  Notice that Luke also used the word "ptōchoi" for "poor," not "penichran."  Kasi may mahihirap na mga walanghiya pa rin --- mga professional squatter, addict, snatcher, holdupper, rapist din naman.

Kaya nga sabi sa Luke, "Blessed are YOU who are poor" --- hindi lahat ng poor --- yung mga kausap lang niya na spiritually humble na nagkataon na poor din.  Kaya nga nandoon silang nagpapakahirap makinig sa sermon ni Jesus Christ, kasi spiritually humble nga sila.  Hindi kasama doon yung mga poor na walanghiya.

So we're basically saying the same thing.  Ang difference lang, I prefer to stick to the actual words stated in the bible.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: whirlpool on Sep 07, 2013 at 10:40 PM
Very good observations, sir whirlpool.

That is a comparison between the Matthew beatitudes and the Luke beatitudes. 

Mt. 5:3 says, "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."  Matthew was a Jew, and the intended audience is Jewish.  His account is usually called the "Sermon on the Mount" because Jesus delivered the Matthew beatitudes after "He went up on a mountainside and sat down."  Similar to Moses who climbed the mount.

Lk. 6:20 says, "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God."  Luke was most probably a Gentile, and his intended audience was the non-Jewish.  His account is usually called the "Sermon on the Plain" because Jesus delivered the Luke beatitudes after "He went down with them and stood on a level place." 

Unlike Matthew (a former tax collector), who was one of the disciples, Luke (a doctor) was not one of the 12 apostles who actually witnessed the events he wrote about.  That is why Luke explained in his address to Theophilus in Lk. 1: 1-4:

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

The translation "poor" in both verses came from the Greek "ptōchoi," showing that both versions refer to the same thing --- crouching and cowering as a beggar.  Therefore, the main idea in both verses is about the spiritually humble, even if it is true that being materially poor has a strong connection to being spiritually humble.

The difference in the two renditions is in the emphasis.  The Matthew version emphasized the spiritual aspect.   But the Luke version gave emphasis to the connection between being materially poor and being spiritually humble.

However, Luke does not mean that being materially poor automatically leads to spiritual humility.  Notice that Luke also used the word "ptōchoi" for "poor," not "penichran."  Kasi may mahihirap na mga walanghiya pa rin --- mga professional squatter, addict, snatcher, holdupper, rapist din naman.

Kaya nga sabi sa Luke, "Blessed are YOU who are poor" --- hindi lahat ng poor --- yung mga kausap lang niya na spiritually humble na nagkataon na poor din.  Kaya nga nandoon silang nagpapakahirap makinig sa sermon ni Jesus Christ, kasi spiritually humble nga sila.  Hindi kasama doon yung mga poor na walanghiya.

So we're basically saying the same thing.  Ang difference lang, I prefer to stick to the actual words stated in the bible.

Salamat po. Na inspire tuloy akong basahin ang buong thread na ito. Reading page 3 now.
Title: Re: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 08, 2013 at 05:12 PM
Salamat po. Na inspire tuloy akong basahin ang buong thread na ito. Reading page 3 now.

Nice. Read more. Pati si Pilyo.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 14, 2013 at 08:48 PM
Cross-posting:

For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief. ◄ Ecclesiastes 1:18 ►

i don't agree with this. it's because of ignorance and stupidity that we are in this hell hole.

That's right.  That is why the same book of Ecclessiastes also says this about knowledge and wisdom:

11 Wisdom, like an inheritance, is a good thing and benefits those who see the sun. 12 Wisdom is a shelter as money is a shelter, but the advantage of knowledge is this: Wisdom preserves those who have it. (Ecc. 7:11&12)

And Proverbs 24: 3&4 says:

3By wisdom a house is built, and through understanding it is established; 4through knowledge its rooms are filled with rare and beautiful treasures.

The tricky part is knowing how those verses are correctly applied.

Napa fast reading ako ng buong Ecclesiastes ng di oras.

Maraming sinasabing meaningless sa buong Ecclesiastes. But my thoughts were, those (riches, knowledge, toils) are all meaningless if not used properly, that is for the furtherance of his kingdom. And yes, the tricky part is, how those verses are supposedly applied. Since this is a kinda "baliktaktakan, would you like to transfer this sa religion thread naman para hindi naman tayo OT dito?  ;D

 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 14, 2013 at 09:42 PM
Bakit nga ba puro "meaningless" ang theme ng Ecclesiastes? You should really read the whole book talaga if you want to get the full context.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 14, 2013 at 09:55 PM
Tama naman ang understanding mo sir Nelson sa Ecclesiastes.  Basta alam mo ang meaning ng "vanity," madali nang maintindihan ang tema.

Yung "meaningless" ay translation ng NIV (New International Version).  Better than "vanity" in the KJV (King James Version), but still not good enough.  Mas malapit ang "fleeting" na translation.

The orignal Hebrew is "hebel," which means "vapor" or "breath."  Ang vapor, lilitaw tapos mawawala uli.  Therefore, ang tinutukoy ay yung pagiging panandalian ---  yung temporary nature or state of things in this world. 

Ecclesiastes consists mainly of the reflections of the author.  They are not rules or guidelines, but merely his observations about the human condition.  At nakita niya na puro mga temporary lang ang mga nasa mundo, kasi mamamatay rin naman tayong lahat.

3 This is the evil in everything that happens under the sun: The same destiny overtakes all.  The hearts of people, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead. (Ecc. 9:3)

So, kung ang lahat ng bagay ay "fleeting," at mawawala rin ang lahat ng pinagpaguran mo, e di "meaningless" lang lahat ang mga ito.  At tama naman siya -- kung material things in this world lang ang objective niya.

At dahil material and worldly things lang ang pakay niya, walang rin siyang maayos na resolution sa hinaba-habang observations niya.
 
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Trivia:  What is the #1 pop song hit with the oldest lyrics?

"Turn! Turn! Turn! (to Everything There Is a Season)" by The Byrds, which was based on the text of Ecc. 3:1-8:

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, a time to reap that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sow; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/78/TheByrdsTurnTurnTurn.jpg/220px-TheByrdsTurnTurnTurn.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6jxxagVEO4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6jxxagVEO4)
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 14, 2013 at 10:57 PM
Thanks atty. master theologian barrister.  ;D he usual misinterpretations din nito is you cannot enter the kingdom of God when you are rich. But ang pagkaka-alam ko, we are merely stewards of these riches, wisdom and knowledge. It's up to us how to use it wisely for the glory of God.

Eto pala magandang story about a person who was continuously rewarded by God because of his good stewardship:

http://www.giantsforgod.com/henry-parsons-crowell-quaker-oats/
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: CMac on Sep 14, 2013 at 11:01 PM
Pag si fr barrister magsermon sa church namin baka pumunta ako every week.
Title: Re: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 16, 2013 at 03:03 PM
Pag si fr barrister magsermon sa church namin baka pumunta ako every week.

Bakit di natin siya invite for coffee? ;D
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Sep 16, 2013 at 07:09 PM
Bakit nga ba puro "meaningless" ang theme ng Ecclesiastes? You should really read the whole book talaga if you want to get the full context.

Yan ang Top 1 Book ko sa Canons (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,170692.msg1741466.html#msg1741466) :) next is John then Philippians.

Meaninglessnes of "Life" is what makes me hold on sa Faith(-Alone ;) hi atty barrister ;D) personally.

Hence, I will/never be an Atheist/Agnostic because of the Wisdom/Truth in that book. :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: whirlpool on Sep 16, 2013 at 11:24 PM
Bakit di natin siya invite for coffee? ;D

Ang dami siguro natin matutunan kay atty. barrister.
Title: Re: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 17, 2013 at 12:55 AM
Ang dami siguro natin matutunan kay atty. barrister.

Exactly. Question of application na lang.
Ayun oh! Dayuhin natin sa Marikina?
Title: Re: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 17, 2013 at 05:37 PM
Ayun oh! Dayuhin natin sa Marikina?

Wag na sir, baka umulan, wala silang salbabida ...   :D

Marami namang magandang topic na puwede dito.  It's a good thread, kasi no debates allowed.  Hindi naman natin sinasabing wag mag debate, just not on this thread. 

Yung mga denominational doctrines ang delikado.  Too controversial.

Sa mga less controversial issues na lang tayo.   You gave me an idea for a good topic:

.. he usual misinterpretations din nito is you cannot enter the kingdom of God when you are rich. But ang pagkaka-alam ko, we are merely stewards of these riches, wisdom and knowledge. It's up to us how to use it wisely for the glory of God.

The gospels tell the story about the rich young man who observed the commandments and asked Jesus what else he should do to gain eternal life.  Jesus told him to sell everything he has and give to the poor, "then come, follow me."

If there's nothing wrong with being rich, then why does Jesus require us to sell everything we have and give to the poor before we can follow Him?   
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 17, 2013 at 06:01 PM
In that man's case, i think Jesus knows that the man's riches will be a hindrance sa kanyang salvation. God and Jesus, being all knowing, ( just as how Jesus foretold the Juda's betrayal ) already knew that hindrance kaya that was Jesus's response.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Sep 17, 2013 at 07:21 PM
I love this passage. This only shows that we can't do anything to obtain eternal life. Jesus said what is impossible to man is possible to God.

The issue is not about wealth... the issue is how the rich man see himself... the rich man see himself as a righteous man... Jesus told the rich man that he need to obey the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 5th commandment and added Leviticus 19:18. at this moment, gusto ni Jesus na marealize ng rich man ang pagigi niyang makasalanan... and yet the rich man responded that he did it all and still seeking for the 'big/grand' work as a requirement to have eternal life. Nang makita ni Jesus na walang repentant heart ang rich man, He told him to forsake all his possesions and follow Him. at this moment, Jesus wanted the rich man to confess his sin. If the rich man truly obey the commandment, if he really love his neighbour as himself, giving his possession or priority will be easy. and since the rich man is too self-righteous to admit his sins and dont want to submit to authority (Jesus lordship) he go away without obtaining eternal life.

may kaparehong kuwento ang passage na ito... iyong tungkol kay Zaccheus (Luke 19)... similar plot but different ending. the rich man go away without eternal life, Zaccheus obtained eternal life.

Favorite verse: Matthew 19:26 ".... With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 17, 2013 at 09:31 PM
Pwede din!!!

So even if according to the rich man, maski na he followed all the commandments, kung he does not want to follow Jesus, (probably, acknowledgment that Jesus is the only way to salvation), he cannot gain eternal life.

Does this mean that the rich man is simply following the commandments not by heart, pero just for the sake na it is commanded. For the rich man, he probably thought na following the commandments would gain him eternal life.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Sep 17, 2013 at 10:48 PM
Easy lang pala sa inyo yon mga sir.  You're both right.  ;)

The common misinterpretation is that everyone should sell his possessions, which is not correct.  Ang utos ni Hesus ay hindi para sa lahat; para lang yon sa kausap niya na rich young man.

Israelite siya, at sinusunod naman niya ang commandments.  What else does he need to gain eternal life?

Nakita kasi si Hesus ang puso niya.  And even if it was the first time Jesus saw the young man face to face, Jesus already knew that the young man loved his riches too much. Therefore, for that young man, he has to give up his riches.  And the same is true for all rich men who love their wealth too much. 

You can be rich without loving your wealth more than God.  Ok lang maging rich kung ganon.

How do we know that the commandment to give up riches is not for all followers of Jesus?  Easy.  Kasi kung para sa lahat, dapat walang follower si Jesus na mayaman kahit isa.  May follower ba siya na mayaman?  Yes.

57 As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. 58 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. 59 Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away.  (Mt. 27:57-60)

Joseph of Arimathea was a rich man who was also a follower of Jesus.  He donated a new, unused tomb for the burial of Jesus' body.

Akala ko ba kailangan poor para maging follower ni Jesus?  Bakit ito, rich man, pero follower ni Jesus?  Walang sinabi sa kanya na ipamigay mo muna lahat ng properties mo before you can follow Me.  Katunayan lang na hindi masama ang riches, basta huwag mo lang mamahalin masyado yon.

Kaya nga ang sabi sa 1 Tim. 6:10:

10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Ang root of all evil ay "love of money," hindi basta "money."  Masama ba ang pera per se?  Hindi.  Dahil sa pera, matutulungan mo yung mga walang pambayad ng gamot.  Matutulungan mo yung mga walang pambayad ng tuition.  E di maraming kabutihang magagawa ang pera.  Ang masama, yung mahalin mo ang pera.
 
Paano naman yung sinasabing imposible daw makapasok sa Kingdom of God ang mayaman?

23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!” 24 The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” (Mk. 10:23-25)

Maaaring impossible, without God's help.   But possible with God's help.  Ituloy natin yung verses:

26 The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”  27 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.” (Mk. 10:26-27)
 
So even if according to the rich man, maski na he followed all the commandments, kung he does not want to follow Jesus, (probably, acknowledgment that Jesus is the only way to salvation), he cannot gain eternal life.

Does this mean that the rich man is simply following the commandments not by heart, pero just for the sake na it is commanded. For the rich man, he probably thought na following the commandments would gain him eternal life.

Not exactly.  Remember, the rich man was an Israelite.  He follows the commandments of the Old Testament.  Wala pang written New Testament noong panahon niya. 

Ang hirap sundin ng mga commandments sa Old Testament, ang dami non --- hindi lang 10 commandments, pati lahat ng laws and ordinances from Moses gaya ng 1 weekly sabbath and 7 annual sabbaths, utos sa diet, animal sacrifices, and so many others.  Ang turo sa kanila, yon ang paraan ng salvation --- sundin mo lahat ng laws and ordinances from Moses.

Ngayon, parang ordinary na lang yung sinabi ni Jesus, kasi bata pa tayo naririnig na natin yon.  Pero noong panahon ng rich young man na yon, that teaching was revolutionary.  Ang turo ng mga rabbi nila, pag mayaman ka, ay dahil pinagpala ka ng Diyos.  The idea that riches will cause us to turn away from God was a radically new teaching from Jesus. 
 
The rich man honestly believed na nagawa na niyang lahat para maligtas, yun pala may kulang pa, na hindi pa niya narinig sa mga religious leaders ng mga Hudyong kagaya niya.   

Isip pa ako ng ibang topic...  :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 18, 2013 at 12:50 AM
Tama. Jesus's teachings was so radical kaya siya pinagtulungan. Imagine na lang natin dati, uso ata ang revenge. An eye for an eye. a tooth for a tooth. But binago ni Jesus yun. Jesus teaches peace.
Naalala ko, sabi ng kakilala ko, sino ang tutulong sa mahirap kung walang mayaman. At aanhin ng mayayaman ang riches nila kung wala naman mahirap.

:D
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sirhc on Oct 02, 2013 at 01:04 PM
Subscribing.. :)

What a way to shine light on others. Kung sana ay lahat ng Katoliko, ganito pakiramdam just after hearing mass on sundays, edi sana maganda buhay.

Admittedly, I myself is falling into a slump myself with all the stresses with my daily life. It's good to have a refreshing view from the word of God.

Tanong, back topic on the road rage issues. I myself, is admittedly, the one with a short fuse, when it comes to road courtesy. It's okay to be angry "righteously", then what would the bible suggest we do with the "righteous" anger we feel when we are wronged in our daily lives, more specifically, on the road?

Do the saying when someone slaps you're left cheek, you offer the other side?

But then, that would go in contrary to a good principle I take to heart, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 02, 2013 at 10:09 PM
Tanong, back topic on the road rage issues. I myself, is admittedly, the one with a short fuse, when it comes to road courtesy. It's okay to be angry "righteously", then what would the bible suggest we do with the "righteous" anger we feel when we are wronged in our daily lives, more specifically, on the road?

You are not a bible novice, since you already know that not all forms of anger are prohibited.  You are aware that there is such a thing as "righteous anger," which is allowed.

However, even if you know that righteous anger is allowed, your next problem is how to tell when anger can or cannot be considered "righteous."  Don't ask the angry guy.  He will insist that his anger is always righteous.  ;) 

Since Jesus committed no sin, we can get correct examples of righteous anger by studying the instances when Jesus was angry.  In the bible, there are three instances where Jesus was angry:

- First is the most popular instance, where Jesus drove out the merchants from the temple, because they made His Father's house into "a den of thieves."
- Second is the story about the healing of a man's withered hand, where Jesus became angry because of the hardness of the hearts of the people at the synagogue. 
- Third is the instance where Jesus was "much displeased" when His disciples did not allow the little children to approach Him. 

You will notice the Jesus' anger was not for His own material benefit, but was spiritual in nature and for the benefit of the Father.

Obviously, traffic annoyances are not something that can qualify as an anger that is selfless and for a spiritual purpose.  I don't think that can be considered "righteous anger" by any stretch of the imagination.

You know the anger management technique of counting to 10?  It really works.  There's a jerk who cut into your lane.  Count to 10 first, then be thankful that no serious accident happened, and your anger will quickly mellow.

What's the bible's advice?   Basically the same thing.  It says, "Be slow to become angry":

My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires. (James 1:19-20)
 


Do the saying when someone slaps you're left cheek, you offer the other side?

Not the left cheek. ;)

That's a deceptively simple bible verse, yet very commonly misunderstood.

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.  (Mt. 5:38-39)

Notice that it says "right cheek," not "left cheek." 

Right and left are very significant in the bible.  The right is good; the left is bad.  The right hand does the work; the left hand does not. 

In those days, a slap on the face was an extreme insult.  Those from the higher ranks of society insult the lower classes by slapping them on the face with the back of the hand.  Why backhanded?  Because the one delivering the slap doesn't want his palm to touch any part of the body of a lower-class person.  Therefore, a backhanded slap is even more insulting than an ordinary slap with the palm.

When two persons are facing each other, and the slapper uses the back of his right hand to strike the other on the cheek, the victim gets hit on his right cheek.  And that's the significance of getting a slap on the right cheek --- it means you were given a backhanded slap, which is extremely insulting.

Therefore, it's not really about the physical slap on the face.  It's just a poetic way of talking about somebody who receives great insult and humiliation. 

Why offer the other cheek?   Because by offering the other cheek, the offender will find it difficult to deliver a second slap.  How so?

The offender won't use his left hand because that goes against tradition.  But his right hand can't use a backhanded slap on the victim's left cheek, so the offender will be forced to use his right palm or a fist.  But a non-backhand is more proper for an equal, not for someone of lower status.  So, using the palm or fist will deprive the offender the opportunity of displaying his superior status and delivering a more serious insult.

Note that it's talking about how you deal with personal insults.  It's not in any way talking about prohibiting self-defense against an axe murderer.

Therefore, turning the other cheek simply means not to take revenge for petty things such as personal insults.  By not seeking revenge, you put a stop to a cycle of ever-escalating violence.  You turn the other cheek by helping the offender realize that his actions are unjustified, then standing back and allowing God to do the rest.
 
 
 
But then, that would go in contrary to a good principle I take to heart, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".

That's a very famous quote often attributed to Edmund Burke, although there's no clear evidence that he actually said or wrote it.

The most important thing to remember is that quote is almost always applied to politics.  Which is not surprising, since Edmund Burke was, after all, a political philosopher.

Politics is outside of the scope of the bible.  That's because politics is part of the material world, and the bible concerns itself with man's spiritual salvation.

To give you an example, the Roman government during the time of Jesus was very cruel.  Death by crucifixion was extremely cruel and barbaric.  What did Jesus and his followers say about it?  Did they protest by marching on the streets with placards saying, "Abolish flogging and crucifixion"?  No.
 
Did Jesus criticize the Roman government and advocate democracy?  No.   
 
Roman taxation during that time was excessive and unjust.  Did Jesus advocate proper representation in taxation?  No.  He just told His followers to pay the tax.  Even when forced to give an opinion on taxation, Jesus still refused to criticize the Roman tax.

True Christianity actively avoids politics.  Don't believe that political activism is a Christian duty.   

Therefore, even though I agree that it's a good quote, I still believe that the proper approach should be to leave scripture out of it.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 02, 2013 at 10:50 PM
Wow! Thanks so much atty. for that very wonderful message from the bible. You are truly a blessing to this community. A very good stewart of wisdom.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sirhc on Oct 03, 2013 at 08:11 AM
Wow.  Very enlightening words sir barrister. I always hear a homily re offering the left cheek but never explained in that perspective.

I'm also not adept in the bible, I have just back read the whole thread and I appreciated the discussion it has garnered. What hit me the most was the anger discussion and thus I yearned for more as to how it applies.

Thanks for the well explained answer.. :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: whirlpool on Oct 04, 2013 at 02:36 AM
Why most of us Christians pray to the saints and to Virgin Mary? Hence, the Bible said or Jesus said "I am the way, truth and the life. No comes to the Father except through Me". Please enlighten me kung tama ba ang pagkaunawa ko na dapat tayo ay direkta na nagdarasal sa Diyos. Pwede rin po ba na malaman ang chapter o sitas na ito. Thanks
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: ninjababez® on Oct 04, 2013 at 03:43 AM
natanong ko na yata ito pero subukan ko ulit :)
bakit natigil ang pagsusulat ng bible?  di po ba dapat tuloy-tuloy lang? 
may pagitan ba ang old and new testament?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 04, 2013 at 07:11 AM
Why most of us Christians pray to the saints and to Virgin Mary? Hence, the Bible said or Jesus said "I am the way, truth and the life. No comes to the Father except through Me". Please enlighten me kung tama ba ang pagkaunawa ko na dapat tayo ay direkta na nagdarasal sa Diyos. Pwede rin po ba na malaman ang chapter o sitas na ito. Thanks

The bible is correct. Because it was Jesus who died for our sins so that we can all be saved from eternal damnation. As for those who pray to saints and virgin Mary, i use to pray to them before because i was taught that they were supposedly, intercessors to God. Now, i don't pray to saints or virgin Mary anymore. Even Mary needs salvation through Jesus. There is also the existence of saints. Their life should be looked up to. But it not an exclusive club limited to the appointment of a small group of people. Everyone (living person) can be a saint provided he has faith in God, surrendered his life and lived accordingly. hence when you read some books of the new testament written by Paul, he sometimes starts by addressing to the living saints in different regions. Our prayer should be exclusive to our God, the creator. Why? Check out Exodus 20:4-5
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20&version=NIV
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Let's also wait for atty.'s insights. He can better quote the bible.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 04, 2013 at 11:46 AM
may pagitan ba ang old and new testament?

Yes, around 420 years ang pagitan.

 
bakit natigil ang pagsusulat ng bible?  di po ba dapat tuloy-tuloy lang? 

Natigil ang pagsusulat kasi tapos na. 
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Oct 04, 2013 at 11:57 AM
Why most of us Christians pray to the saints and to Virgin Mary? Hence, the Bible said or Jesus said "I am the way, truth and the life. No comes to the Father except through Me". Please enlighten me kung tama ba ang pagkaunawa ko na dapat tayo ay direkta na nagdarasal sa Diyos. Pwede rin po ba na malaman ang chapter o sitas na ito. Thanks

In my own understanding, we do not pray to the Saints nor to Virgin Mary.
We do not even worship them but instead pay respect to them...
What we are doing is talking with them and asking or requesting them to pray for us and include us in their prayers to the Lord our God.

That is my belief and understanding... :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 04, 2013 at 12:06 PM
Please enlighten me kung tama ba ang pagkaunawa ko na dapat tayo ay direkta na nagdarasal sa Diyos. Pwede rin po ba na malaman ang chapter o sitas na ito. Thanks

Tama yon sir. 
 
Tinuruan tayo ni Hesus kung paanong magdasal:
 
6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9 “This, then, is how you should pray:
 
 ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
    on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
    as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,
    but deliver us from the evil one.’
(Mt. 6:6-13)
 
Ang sabi, manalangin daw sa Ama. 
 

 
Why most of us Christians pray to the saints and to Virgin Mary?

That's a Catholic practice. 
 
They believe the saints provide intercession.  So they explain that they are not actually praying to the saints, they are merely petitioning the saints to pray for them, in the same way that a Catholic simply requests a fellow Catholic to pray for him.
 
As proof that intercessory prayers made by one for another is valid, they point to 1 Tim 2:1-6, which states:

I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.
 
Therefore, they believe that even if it is true that Christ is the only mediator, there's nothing wrong with intercessory prayers made by one person for another.  And if intercessory prayers by one person in behalf of another are allowed, then intercessory prayers by a saint are also allowed.
 


Hence, the Bible said or Jesus said "I am the way, truth and the life. No comes to the Father except through Me".

You say "hence" because you think that verse applies to direct prayer?
 
No, that verse is not about prayer. 
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: ninjababez® on Oct 04, 2013 at 10:33 PM
Yes, around 420 years ang pagitan.

 
Natigil ang pagsusulat kasi tapos na. 
 
thanks. 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Daiguru on Oct 05, 2013 at 01:38 AM
The bible is correct. Because it was Jesus who died for our sins so that we can all be saved from eternal damnation. As for those who pray to saints and virgin Mary, i use to pray to them before because i was taught that they were supposedly, intercessors to God. Now, i don't pray to saints or virgin Mary anymore. Even Mary needs salvation through Jesus. There is also the existence of saints. Their life should be looked up to. But it not an exclusive club limited to the appointment of a small group of people. Everyone (living person) can be a saint provided he has faith in God, surrendered his life and lived accordingly. hence when you read some books of the new testament written by Paul, he sometimes starts by addressing to the living saints in different regions. Our prayer should be exclusive to our God, the creator. Why? Check out Exodus 20:4-5
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20&version=NIV
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Let's also wait for atty.'s insights. He can better quote the bible.
i agree with you sir nelson. nakasulat yan sa sampung utos. pero bakit nasa utos na nga yun at nababasa nila pero bakit kaya di nila kayang sundin kung anu ang nasusulat??
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 05, 2013 at 08:01 AM
i agree with you sir nelson. nakasulat yan sa sampung utos. pero bakit nasa utos na nga yun at nababasa nila pero bakit kaya di nila kayang sundin kung anu ang nasusulat??

Iba naman sir ang intercession vs worship as atty Barrister and sir Louie have clarified. Plus, nun grade school kasi ako, short cut ng commandments ang naituro sa akin.  ;D  As for the statues, i use to say that the statues are there to remind me of God. Parang photos ng mga love ones natin. Probably huwag mo lang luhuran or pray to the stutues. Kasi verse 5 says do not bow down to them. I may be wrong again in my interpretation of the catholic faith. So probably, i was in the same boat as sir whirlpool before na ang alam namin, we are praying to saints and virgin Mary.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 05, 2013 at 04:49 PM
Iba naman sir ang intercession vs worship as atty Barrister and sir Louie have clarified.

Just to further clarify, pinaliwanag ko lang kung ano ang Catholic belief.  Kaya nga sinasabi ko lagi sa umpisa, "They believe...," para malinaw na ang belief na yon ay kanila, hindi akin. 
 
Mas maganda yung ganong approach para maiwasan ang debate sa thread na ito.  Ok naman ang criticisms, pero sa ibang thread na lang siguro, para walang away-away dito. 
 
 
i agree with you sir nelson. nakasulat yan sa sampung utos. pero bakit nasa utos na nga yun at nababasa nila pero bakit kaya di nila kayang sundin kung anu ang nasusulat??

May paliwanag din sila diyan:
 
Do Catholics Worship Statues?
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-worship-statues (http://www.catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-worship-statues)
 
Very helpful if you want to know about the Catholic view.  Pero huwag mo nang kontrahin dito sir, wala namang katapusan ang debate niyan, pagod lang ang ibibigay sa iyo...  :D
 
Kaya nga ang sabi ko, mahirap talaga pag doctrinal na ang topic.
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 05, 2013 at 06:53 PM

Just to further clarify, pinaliwanag ko lang kung ano ang Catholic belief.  Kaya nga sinasabi ko lagi sa umpisa, "They believe...," para malinaw na ang belief na yon ay kanila, hindi akin. 
 
Mas maganda yung ganong approach para maiwasan ang debate sa thread na ito.  Ok naman ang criticisms, pero sa ibang thread na lang siguro, para walang away-away dito. 
 
 
May paliwanag din sila diyan:
 
Do Catholics Worship Statues?
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-worship-statues (http://www.catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-worship-statues)
 
Very helpful if you want to know about the Catholic view.  Pero huwag mo nang kontrahin dito sir, wala namang katapusan ang debate niyan, pagod lang ang ibibigay sa iyo...  :D
 
Kaya nga ang sabi ko, mahirap talaga pag doctrinal na ang topic.
 

Definitely clear. And you are right. Doctrinal issues tend to bring up arguments and debates.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: fattyacid on Oct 05, 2013 at 09:26 PM
Sir B sana ma-enlighthen din ako about eating blood. Before I stopped eating dinuguaan as there is scripture that is strict about not eating it. Nakapaka holy daw ng blood kaya di siya kinakain ng myembro ng ibang religion. Pero meron ding scripture na wala naman talaga sa kinakain yan so balik ako sa pagkain nun. So should we enjoy the blood and puto combo or not?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 05, 2013 at 09:37 PM
Definitely clear. And you are right. Doctrinal issues tend to bring up arguments and debates.

Eto naman ang magandang topic sir, para hindi doktrina.  Naalala ko kasi dahil sa Exodus link mo sir:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20&version=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20&version=NIV)

 
Ang tanong --- Bakit sa Exodus paparusahan ang anak dahil sa kasalanan ng kanyang magulang; samantalang sa Ezekiel, walang epekto sa anak ang kasalanan ng magulang?

"... he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation." (Exodus 34:7)

"The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them." (Ezek 18:20)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 05, 2013 at 10:11 PM
Sir B sana ma-enlighthen din ako about eating blood. Before I stopped eating dinuguaan as there is scripture that is strict about not eating it. Nakapaka holy daw ng blood kaya di siya kinakain ng myembro ng ibang religion. Pero meron ding scripture na wala naman talaga sa kinakain yan so balik ako sa pagkain nun. So should we enjoy the blood and puto combo or not?

Magandang tanong.  Pero doktrina rin yan sir, baka may mag react.   
 
Ang sagot, bawal sa Kristiyano na kumain ng dugo.
 
Yes, may mabigat na meaning ang dugo sa scripture.  Sa bible, bood is life.  Sa material aspect, pag walang dugo ang tao o hayop, wala ring buhay.  Sa spiritual aspect ganon din --- sa Old Testament, ang principle: no blood as atonement for sin, no spiritual life.

Therefore, dahil nagbibigay ng material and spiritual life ang dugo, sacred ito, kaya bawal kainin kasi nababastos ang bagay na sagrado:

11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. 12 Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner residing among you eat blood.” (Lev. 17:11-12)

Sa New Testament, may requirement pa rin ng dugo para sa spiritual life, pero may malaking difference.  Blood of Jesus Christ na ito ngayon.  Specific na dugo na, pero pareho rin ang principle --- No blood of Jesus, no spiritual life.  That's why His mission was to die on the cross.
 
11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption. (Heb. 9:11-12)
 
Bawal pa rin ba sa Kristiyano na kumain ng dugo?  Yes, bawal pa rin.

Di ba sa New Testament, nilinis na ni Kristo ang lahat ng pagkain?

18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)  (Mark 7:18-19)

Ano pala yung mga tinatawag noon na unclean food?  Napakahaba ng listahan ng bawal na pagkain sa Hudyo:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+11&version=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+11&version=NIV)

Hindi lang baboy, pati rabbit, pusit, squid, hito, paniki, tahong, alamang, crabs, hipon, etc., etc.  Iyan ang mga "unclean food" na nilinis ni Kristo. 

Hindi kasama ang dugo sa unclean food, kasi hindi naman "unclean" ang dahilan kung bakit bawal kainin ang dugo.  Bawal kainin ang dugo kasi it symbolizes atonement for sins.

Sa katunayan, pagkatapos makabalik sa langit si Kristo, ipinagbawal pa rin ng mga alagad ang pagkain ng dugo.  Ang sabi, "Abstain from blood.":

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.  (Acts 15:19-20)

28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.  Farewell.  (Acts 15:28-29)
 
Therefore, for Christians, there are only 3 dietary restrictions.  Abstain from:

1. Food sacrificed to idols;
2. Meat of strangled animals; and
3. Blood.

Kaya hindi totoo na kahit ano puwedeng kainin ng Kristiyano.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Daiguru on Oct 05, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Just to further clarify, pinaliwanag ko lang kung ano ang Catholic belief.  Kaya nga sinasabi ko lagi sa umpisa, "They believe...," para malinaw na ang belief na yon ay kanila, hindi akin. 
 
Mas maganda yung ganong approach para maiwasan ang debate sa thread na ito.  Ok naman ang criticisms, pero sa ibang thread na lang siguro, para walang away-away dito. 
 
 
May paliwanag din sila diyan:
 
Do Catholics Worship Statues?
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-worship-statues (http://www.catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-worship-statues)
 
Very helpful if you want to know about the Catholic view.  Pero huwag mo nang kontrahin dito sir, wala namang katapusan ang debate niyan, pagod lang ang ibibigay sa iyo...  :D
 
Kaya nga ang sabi ko, mahirap talaga pag doctrinal na ang topic.
 
correct ka po sir barrister. wala talagang katapusan ang debate kapag religion ang pinag-usapan ;D. sana yung mga ibang religion na bumabatikos sa paniniwala ng ibang religion eh igalang na lang nila kung anu ang paniniwala ng kapwa nila at huwag nang pintasan o pulaan para walang gulo. meron kasi ako mga napapanuod na binabatikos ang paniniwala ng ibang religion na nauuwi sa mainitang pagtatalo.

                                                                                             Cheers! O0
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 05, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Eto naman ang magandang topic sir, para hindi doktrina.  Naalala ko kasi dahil sa Exodus link mo sir:
 
Ang tanong --- Bakit sa Exodus paparusahan ang anak dahil sa kasalanan ng kanyang magulang; samantalang sa Ezekiel, walang epekto sa anak ang kasalanan ng magulang?

"... he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation." (Exodus 34:7)

"The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them." (Ezek 18:20)

Hindi kaya sa Exodus kasi, God punishes the children for the sin of their parents because the sin mentioned there is considered a sin against God that caused His jealousy. And that kind of sin, was passed over and taught by the parents towards their children. But for those who love him and keep His commandments, God will show love. Ito yun mga anak that turned away or did not practice the sin of their parents.

Pero yun sin mentioned in Ezekiel, are sins against man.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 06, 2013 at 12:34 AM
Tama yung explanation mo sa Exodus sir.  Sa Ezekiel naman, same principle as Exodus din ang sinasabi.  So, kung ano ang interpretation sa Exodus, ganon din sa Ezekiel, kasi wala namang contradiction sa dalawa.
 

Una, yung Ezekiel.  Notice that it also includes idolatry:
 
Suppose there is a righteous man who does what is just and right. He does not eat at the mountain shrines or look to the idols of Israel. ...He follows my decrees and faithfully keeps my laws.  That man is righteous; he will surely live, declares the Sovereign Lord. (Ezek. 18: 5-6; 9)
 
Suppose he has a violent son, who sheds blood or does any of these other things: ... He oppresses the poor and needy.  He commits robbery. He does not return what he took in pledge.  He looks to the idols. ...Will such a man live? He will not! Because he has done all these detestable things, he is to be put to death; his blood will be on his own head.(Ezek. 18:10; 12; 13)

Mabuti yung ama; pero idolater yung anak.  Yung anak lang ang paparusahan.
 
Paano kung yung ama ang idolater, pero hindi siya ginaya ng anak? ---
 
But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things: ...He will not die for his father’s sin; he will surely live.  (Ezek. 18:14; 17)
 
Yung ama lang ang paparusahan, kasi yung ama lang ang nagkasala.
 
The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them. (Ezek. 18:20)
 

Punta naman tayo sa Exodus:
 
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.  (Exodus 20:5-6)
 
Pag idolater ang parents, ang tendency ay gagaya ang anak, kasi ang tendency ay buong pamilya ay pare-parehong idolaters.  Paparusahan ang anak kasi gumaya siya sa kasalanan ng magulang.   
 
Kaya nga ang sabi: "...to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me..."  Hindi basta kahit sinong 3rd and 4th generation na kasama pati ang inosente --- kailangan yung 3rd and 4th generation "of those who hate me" lang ang kasama.  E di may sariling kasalanan nga yung anak kaya siya paparusahan.
 
Paano kung hindi gumaya ang anak sa idolatry ng parents?   Hindi siya paparusahan kasi yung magulang lang ang idolaters, hindi yung anak.
 
Kaya nga ang sabi:  "...but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."  Kahit idolater yung magulang, basta hindi gumaya yung anak, hindi paparusahan ang anak.
 
E di pareho lang ang sinasabi niyan sa Ezekiel.  Di ba? :) 
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: RU9 on Oct 06, 2013 at 12:54 PM
@barrister

The article below is intriguing. Based on your understanding of the bible what is different from the Catholic God as to God of the Bible.

Why would the Catholic impose their version. Thank you.
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Pope Francis: ‘I Believe in God, Not In A Catholic God

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/979047/pope-francis-i-believe-in-god-not-in-a-catholic-god/#oBKXrHWa5OjDxkQY.99

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 06, 2013 at 11:32 PM
... Based on your understanding of the bible what is different from the Catholic God as to God of the Bible.

The are many differences.  Ask a more specific question on The Religion Thread and I'll try to answer it there:
 
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.960.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.960.html)
 
 
@barrister

The article below is intriguing. Based on your understanding of the bible what is different from the Catholic God as to God of the Bible.

Why would the Catholic impose their version. Thank you.
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Pope Francis: ‘I Believe in God, Not In A Catholic God

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/979047/pope-francis-i-believe-in-god-not-in-a-catholic-god/#oBKXrHWa5OjDxkQY.99 (http://www.inquisitr.com/979047/pope-francis-i-believe-in-god-not-in-a-catholic-god/#oBKXrHWa5OjDxkQY.99)

That's not how I understood the article.
 
When the Pope said, "there is no Catholic God," it does not mean that he admits that the God of the bible is different from the God of the Catholics.
 
All the Pope is saying is that he advocates moving away from "small-minded rules;" to be more open to the rest of the world by being less "Vatican-centric."  Thus, the Pope said there is no such thing as a Catholic-only God; there is only a God for all. 
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sirhc on Oct 07, 2013 at 08:48 AM
 
That's not how I understood the article.
 
When the Pope said, "there is no Catholic God," it does not mean that he admits that the God of the bible is different from the God of the Catholics.
 
All the pope is saying is that he advocates moving away from "small-minded rules;" to be more open to the rest of the world by being less "Vatican-centric."  Thus, the Pope said there is no such thing as a Catholic-only God; there is only a God for all.

This is also how I understood the Pope's statement, as is true with his current thrust, this is an effort to relate with the others outside of the Vatican's comfort zone. Saying that there is no "Catholic God" equates to, there are no Catholic God, because there is only one God we should be turning to, for all of us, no matter what walk of life you came from. What he wanted to convey is to get rid of the Alienation between others and the Catholics like what others have been preaching, leading to ostracism between sects.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: fattyacid on Oct 07, 2013 at 11:34 AM


 
Therefore, for Christians, there are only 3 dietary restrictions.  Abstain from:

1. Food sacrificed to idols;
2. Meat of strangled animals; and
3. Blood.

Kaya hindi totoo na kahit ano puwedeng kainin ng Kristiyano.

So Halal foods are automatically prohibited?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 07, 2013 at 01:04 PM
So Halal foods are automatically prohibited?

Not necessarily. 
 
If a pastor says Christians are prohibited from eating Halal-certified food, you don't immediately accept it as correct doctrine, you ask why it should be prohibited.
 
For Christians, the only prohibition relevant to Halal is the prohibition against food sacrificed to or polluted by idols.
 
Halal certification is intended to make it easier for Muslims to avoid Haraam (Halal means permissible; Haraam means prohibited) when they buy packaged food.

http://picsbox.biz/key/halal%20logo%20philippines (http://picsbox.biz/key/halal%20logo%20philippines)
 
If bottled water is certified Halal, there's nothing wrong if a Christian drinks it, since there's no way that bottled water, even if Halal-certified, can be deemed to be "polluted by idols."
 
But for meat products, it's a different matter.  In Islam, the slaughter of an animal for food must be done while the animal's heart is beating so that its blood can be drained properly.  The head of the animal must be aligned with the Qiblah (in the direction of the Kaaba in Mecca).  It must be done in the presence of a Muslim, with a "Shahada" or "Bismillah" declared at the point of slaughter.  The usual Shahada is: "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet;" the usual Bismillah is: "In the name of Allah, who is the greatest."
 
For Christians, it's the ritual of Qiblah alignment plus Shahada/Bismillah declaration that's objectionable, since the meat can now be considered, from the Christian point of view, as food polluted by idols.   
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Oct 07, 2013 at 04:43 PM
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.  (Acts 15:19-20)

28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.  Farewell.  (Acts 15:28-29)
 
Therefore, for Christians, there are only 3 dietary restrictions.  Abstain from:

1. Food sacrificed to idols;
2. Meat of strangled animals; and
3. Blood.

Kaya hindi totoo na kahit ano puwedeng kainin ng Kristiyano.

does this mean "You will do well if you avoid these things"... na if you dont obey this you are committing sin? or simply... "You will do well"...

in my perspective, eating blood (or dinuguan) has no bearing when it comes to sinning... acts 15:27-28 doesnt state na we are sinning kapag kumain tayo ng dugo... it simply state na kapag iwasan natin ang mga pagkaing ito... "we will do well"... paano nga ba itranslate sa tagalog ito... hmmm magiging maayos ang kalusugan or buhay or maiiwasan natin ang confusion sa kapatiran nating jews?

note that churches founded by Paul are almost purely Gentiles christian and those of palestine are almost purely Jews christian... Jews chrisitan culture is different of those of Gentiles christian... almost all christian in Jerusalem and Palestine observed mosaic law up until to the writning of Acts 15...

1. food sacrificed to idols:

since gentiles are new to the gospel... from what i know, this is the time when the gospel been introduced to the gentiles... maraming jews magugulat kung makikita nila ang mga kristiyanong gentiles during that time kumakain ng pagkain na inalay sa idols or pagkaing may dugo... they will be offended sa faith na tinuturo ni Jesus (revolutionary teaching against sa curent teaching that time)... even me... kapag napunta kami sa fiesta or kapag may handaang hindi namin sakop ng faith namin... to avoid confusion or to avoid maiwasan ang maka offend... gustuhin man namin na kumain ng pagkain since bawal sa kanila iyon marapat na hindi na rin namin kakainin.. pero in our private life... kakainin namin iyon as long as we prayred for that food.

2. strangled and blood...

same concept... kapag napunta kami sa gatherings na different ang faith sa amin... we observe anuman ang approach nila sa food... if they say na bawal kainin ang food na ganito we will obey that (but in private kakain kami ng dugo)... to avoid na maoffend ang host ng gatherings.... if fellow christian observed a certain culture that doesnt involved sinning... para hindi ako maging stumbling block ng kanilang faith... i will also avoid doing that...


the bible doesnt say that eating blood is sinful... but if i live in a country or community or in a culture na kung saan ang pagkain ng dugo ay very offensive... i rahter eat not blood, because it would be sinful to be a stumbling block to those who believe it is wrong.   It is not sinful for a Christian to eat blood, but it might be advisable in certain circumstances to refrain from eating blood....

thus Paul says.... "You will do well to avoid these things".
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 07, 2013 at 05:05 PM
does this mean "You will do well if you avoid these things"... na if you dont obey this you are committing sin? or simply... "You will do well"...

Personally, I don't think it's a big deal.  All the Christian has to do is to know the dietary restrictions, then use his own conscience in figuring out how they are correctly followed. 
 
Whether failure to abide by the restrictions is a sin or not will depend on the individual's own faith and belief:


14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval. ...

22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin. (Rom. 14:14-18; 22-23)
 

========================================
 
Sir dpogs, for the benefit of the other readers, what do you understand by the term "meat of strangled animals"? 

1)  Does it literally mean "strangled" or does it mean somethng else? 
2)  Why is a Christian prohibited from eating the meat of strangled animals?
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Oct 07, 2013 at 05:14 PM
Yup. That is right.

And Acts 15:28-29 written specifically for Gentiles Christians as well as to us Christian who are strong in faith Also as a reminder not to be a stumbling block for other Christians... in the name of love and purity... harmony and faith... we are instructed not to eat blood or food for idols...
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 12, 2013 at 01:42 PM
We all know that forgiveness is essential for us for it is written that God forgives those who forgives others. We start from our conscious effort to forgive. But how do we know that we have already forgiven someone? Is it forgetting the situation a sign? How about the hurt that you may still experience whenever you remember the event?
Care to share your insights and experiences?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 14, 2013 at 12:00 AM
We all know that forgiveness is essential for us for it is written that God forgives those who forgives others. We start from our conscious effort to forgive. But how do we know that we have already forgiven someone?

If you do not desire revenge and you do not feel hatred, you have already forgiven.



Is it forgetting the situation a sign?

It depends on what you mean by "forgetting."

It does not mean erasing from memory.  Hindi para bang yung nakalimutan mo kung saan mo nailagay yung susi ng kotse, hindi mo na talaga maalala kahit pilitin mo. 

Forgetting should mean to cease keeping an account of.  May kasalanan sa iyo si Jose.  Kinalimutan mo na yon, meaning hindi ka na gaganti, hindi ka na maninita o manunumbat, at hindi ka na galit.
 
Hindi ibig sabihin nawala sa memory mo, na hindi mo maalala kahit pilitin mo, kasi talagang deleted na sa memory mo.  May Alzheimer's ka siguro kung ganon.   ^-^

In the Old Testament, the rule is eye for an eye (Exodus 21:24).  Justice meant that a transgression must be paid with a close equivalent.  A penalty that is greater or less than the transgression is not justice.

That is why Jesus' analogy was a monetary debt.  Kasi madaling makita ang equivalent.  Umutang ng P1000, magbayad ng P1000. 

Using the monetary debt analogy, what is forgiveness?  It means the cancellation of the debt.   Kinalimutan mo na kasi hindi ka na naniningil, hindi ka nanunumbat, at hindi ka galit. 
 
Kaya ang sabi sa Lord's prayer:
 
12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. (Mt. 6:12)
 

Which Jesus explained:
 
14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Mt. 12:14-16)
 

Let's go to a parable from Jesus, and notice that forgiveness is again presented as a monetary debt analogy:
 
23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins.  He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”  (Mt. 18:23-35)


Notice that this is another revolutionary new teaching from Jesus, which is a far departure from the Old Testament justice of "eye for an eye." 
 
When we are wronged, it is human nature to desire an equivalent payment from the other because that is justice.  If we don't get the equalizing payment, we feel anger and resentment, and believe that the only way to set things right is by way of revenge. 
 
When we forgive, we cancel our brother's debt.  We don't demand payment, and we don't constantly remind him about his unpaid debt anymore, because there is no more debt, since it has already been canceled.

Where's the justice there?  Don't worry about it.  Justice is what we will receive from the Father when He also forgives us our trespasses. 
 


How about the hurt that you may still experience whenever you remember the event?

If you truly forgive, the hurt will gradually disappear.  Just give it time.
 
If the hurt never goes away, it's because the resentment is still there, since there was no true forgiveness "from the heart."  Maaaring sinabi lang yung forgiveness para may outward compliance sa biblical teachings, pero walang tunay na forgiveness from within. 
 


Care to share your insights and experiences?

Ikaw rin ang makikinabang pag nagpatawad ka, sa totoo lang.
 
If you do not forgive, you harbor resentment and anger.  These emotions can be terribly debilitating, leading to bad health, both physical and emotional.  Pag sumobra ang galit, darating ang araw na papatay ka na ng tao.  That's why Jesus taught:
 
21 “You have heard that it was said to the men of old, ‘You shall not kill; and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.’  22 But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment;... (Mt. 5:21-22)

Again, this is a new teaching from Jesus.  It is not the same as the Old Testament commandment, since Jesus said, "But I say," clarifying that what He was about to say would be something entirely different.
 
Pinakita Niya na may mabigat na connection pala ang galit at pagpatay --- na ang galit ay dapat iwasan kasi pupunta yan sa pagpatay. 

But if you forgive, you get peace of mind, better health and better sleep.  Ikaw rin ang magiginhawahan. Saan ka pa?    :D 
   
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 15, 2013 at 02:58 PM
I forgot to thank you atty Barrister for your objective thoughts re forgiveness. I hope a lot of people can read this thread.

Incidentally, may I request the believers reading this thread to please pray for our Filipino brothers in the Visayas area who were struck by a powerful earthquake.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 15, 2013 at 03:56 PM
No need to thank me sir, basta sharing lang tayo.
 
About forgiveness, medical science has confirmed its health benefits.  For example:

http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_releases/power_of_forgiveness (http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_releases/power_of_forgiveness)
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/forgive-forget (http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/forgive-forget)

 
========================================

 
That's very sad news about the earthquake.  Let's pray for the victims. 
 
Ganda pa naman ng Bohol, I was there in 2012, great for the gurang crowd.  The younger party crowd of Boracay might not like it though. 
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Schrodinger's cat on Oct 31, 2013 at 12:09 AM
Hmm, chanced upon this thread just now. I noticed that sir @barrister bases his Bible interpretations on the works of Walter Wink (noted theologian/Bible scholar/proponent of Progressive Christianity). Perhaps many people here may find his views/interpretations persuasive, just google his articles.

I'm just curious sir @barrister on your [interpretation] of reincarnation based on the Bible. Many thanks sir.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 31, 2013 at 11:50 AM
I'm just curious sir @barrister on your [interpretation] of reincarnation based on the Bible. Many thanks sir.

There is no such thing as reincarnation in the bible. 
 
 
Hmm, chanced upon this thread just now. I noticed that sir @barrister bases his Bible interpretations on the works of Walter Wink (noted theologian/Bible scholar/proponent of Progressive Christianity). Perhaps many people here may find his views/interpretations persuasive, just google his articles.

It's true that I pick up opinions and interpretations from other writers.  However, I've never heard of Walter Wink before.

I tried googling his articles to see if he has any views that differ from mine. 

In "Homosexuality and Christian Faith: Questions of Conscience for the Churches," Wink wrote:  When one of Noah’s sons beheld his father naked, he was cursed (Gen 9:20-27). To a great extent, this taboo probably even inhibited the sexual intimacy of husbands and wives (this is still true of a surprising number of people reared in the Judeo-Christian tradition).  In a 2001 speech, Wink said:  Remember the story of Noah who's drunk and naked? His son sees him and he's cursed for looking on his father's nakedness.

Wink is saying that Ham's transgression was brought about by the mere fact that he saw his father naked.  I disagree.

Ham accidentally finds his father Noah drunk and sleeping naked in a tent.  Ham goes outside and tells his two brothers Shem and Japheth about their naked father.  Then Shem and Japheth go inside the tent and cover their father with a garment.     

It wasn't Ham's fault that he saw his father naked, since it was an accident.  It was Noah's own fault that he got himself drunk and naked.
 
Ham's transgression arose from what he did afterwards.  Does Ham throw a blanket over Noah to cover his nudity?  No, Ham just goes out and tells his two brothers about their father's indignity.  Hindi na nga tinulungan, lalo pang hiniya.  :P             
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Schrodinger's cat on Oct 31, 2013 at 03:01 PM
There is no such thing as reincarnation in the bible. 

I see.

It's true that I pick up opinions and interpretations from other writers.  However, I've never heard of Walter Wink before.

Oh, I stand corrected sir. Since many other writers lift their interpretations from him, maybe in one way or another these were inadvertently picked up by you through them.

Many thanks sir.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Oct 31, 2013 at 03:55 PM
Oh, I stand corrected sir. Since many other writers lift their interpretations from him, maybe in one way or another these were inadvertently picked up by you through them.

Yes, that may be true. 

Be that as it may, in case of similarities, it does not automatically mean that a certain interpretation was in fact orginally formulated by Wink.  It's entirely possible that Wink had also lifted the idea from someone else, or that an author might have formulated the interpretation independently of Wink or anyone else.   
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Schrodinger's cat on Nov 01, 2013 at 01:26 PM

Yes, that may be true. 

Be that as it may, in case of similarities, it does not automatically mean that a certain interpretation was in fact orginally formulated by Wink.  It's entirely possible that Wink had also lifted the idea from someone else, or that an author might have formulated the interpretation independently of Wink or anyone else.   

Yes, this is why [ideally] we should make it a practice to [consistently] attribute interpretations lifted from others, lest these be [mis]construed by readers as our own. No offense to anyone, btw :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Nov 01, 2013 at 06:42 PM
You're right.

It's hard to cite the original source when there are already several exisitng blog and forum posts and articles saying basically the same thing, without citations, and you can't tell who said it first.

Honestly, none of my interpretations are original.  I just browse though several interpretations, then I stick to one that I agree with.

But it's not an easy task, since there are so many biblical interpretations out there that are really nonsensical...  ;D
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: nerveblocker on Nov 08, 2013 at 05:09 AM
I was just doing my daily devotion and read this...timely...coincidential

38 As he taught, Jesus said, “Watch out for the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and be greeted with respect in the marketplaces, 39 and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 40 They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely.” -Mark 12:38-40
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: nerveblocker on Nov 08, 2013 at 07:00 PM
In the middle of the storm, remember this...

He got up, rebuked the wind and said to the waves, “Quiet! Be still!” Then the wind died down and it was completely calm. He said to his disciples, “Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?

Mark 4:39-40
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Nov 08, 2013 at 08:30 PM
In the middle of the storm, remember this...

He got up, rebuked the wind and said to the waves, “Quiet! Be still!” Then the wind died down and it was completely calm. He said to his disciples, “Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?

Mark 4:39-40

Very timely. Sana huwag malakas dito sa Manila.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: nerveblocker on Nov 09, 2013 at 06:04 AM
Let us just put our hope and trust in Jesus Christ who is the Rock that never wears down through the ages and eternity.

 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.--Matthew 7:24-25

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: ArtMusic on Nov 15, 2013 at 05:59 AM
I have been studying salvation for the past few weeks....
Christians will be saved once they accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
And Salvation will NOT be gone even though they commit some sins whether intentional or
not intentional.  Like 'Once Saved, Always Saved' belief.

For me kasi, nawawala ang salvation kapag gumawa ang isang Kristiano ng kasalanan.
Some say, we have been saved by Grace not by works.
In Revelation kasi, even though the names are already written in the Book of Life,
God can still blot them out. So it means, nawawala talaga ang salvation. Tama ba?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Nov 15, 2013 at 07:59 AM
I have been studying salvation for the past few weeks....
Christians will be saved once they accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
And Salvation will NOT be gone even though they commit some sins whether intentional or
not intentional.  Like 'Once Saved, Always Saved' belief.

For me kasi, nawawala ang salvation kapag gumawa ang isang Kristiano ng kasalanan.
Some say, we have been saved by Grace not by works.
In Revelation kasi, even though the names are already written in the Book of Life,
God can still blot them out. So it means, nawawala talaga ang salvation. Tama ba?

Medjo doctrinal na din ito sir pero hindi pa din natin alam ang mga names na nasa Book of Life. And probably, ang bawa't isa lang ang makaka-alam if we are truly saved or not. Lately i try not to ponder on those doctrines lately. Mahirap sagutin ang tanong ninyo because in conflict din ito sa ibang interpretation/sect. Sabihin na lang natin na we are all asking God for salvation. Either way naman sir, armenianism or calvinism, salvation by faith comes from God alone.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Nov 15, 2013 at 04:41 PM
I have been studying salvation for the past few weeks....
Christians will be saved once they accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
And Salvation will NOT be gone even though they commit some sins whether intentional or
not intentional.  Like 'Once Saved, Always Saved' belief.

For me kasi, nawawala ang salvation kapag gumawa ang isang Kristiano ng kasalanan.
Some say, we have been saved by Grace not by works.
In Revelation kasi, even though the names are already written in the Book of Life,
God can still blot them out. So it means, nawawala talaga ang salvation. Tama ba?

 
Ang gusto ng threadstarter na sir Nelson ay iwasan ang away-away sa thread na ito.  Kaya iniiwasan natin ang mga controversial issues. 
 
Ang controversial issues ay yung mga covered ng denominational doctrines.
 
Ang tanong mo ay tungkol sa doctrine ng "Once Saved always Saved" or "OSAS."  Controversial yan.  So on this thread, all I can say is that OSAS is a Calvinist doctrine that was originated by John Calvin during the Protestant Reformation (16th Century).
 
We can't discuss it in detail here kasi giyera patani lang ang ibibigay niyan.
 
Ok lang kung sa ibang thread.  For example:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg1741433.html#msg1741433 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg1741433.html#msg1741433)
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg1741507.html#msg1741507 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg1741507.html#msg1741507)
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg1742794.html#msg1742794 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg1742794.html#msg1742794)
 
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: ArtMusic on Nov 16, 2013 at 02:18 AM

 
Ang gusto ng threadstarter na sir Nelson ay iwasan ang away-away sa thread na ito.  Kaya iniiwasan natin ang mga controversial issues. 
 
Ang controversial issues ay yung mga covered ng denominational doctrines.
 
Ang tanong mo ay tungkol sa doctrine ng "Once Saved always Saved" or "OSAS."  Controversial yan.  So on this thread, all I can say is that OSAS is a Calvinist doctrine that was originated by John Calvin during the Protestant Reformation (16th Century).
 
We can't discuss it in detail here kasi giyera patani lang ang ibibigay niyan.
 
Ok lang kung sa ibang thread.  For example:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg1741433.html#msg1741433 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg1741433.html#msg1741433)
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg1741507.html#msg1741507 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg1741507.html#msg1741507)
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg1742794.html#msg1742794 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg1742794.html#msg1742794)
 
 

But with all honesty, I had no idea that my question will create a controversy and it was far from my intention to create one.  As I have stated, I have been studying salvation for how many days and  still confuse.  The only answer na medyo satisfied ako is when someone answered me with a question... 'Tingin mo ba tanga ang Diyos na hindi niya alam kung sino ang totoong tumangap sa Kanya?'    So, ito tuloy ang naisip ko that there 2 kinds of Christians i.e. the believer of Christ and the Follower of Christ and the Follower of Christ ang totoong Kristiano. Just my opinion.   

Anyway, thanks for directing me to that religion thread.  Hindi ko pa nababasa yun... but let me check. 

May the grace of God be with us!!!
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: nerveblocker on Nov 18, 2013 at 05:45 AM
In times that we feel that we do not earn much or sometimes we are not able to meet our daily expenses.  I have read a passage that will add to our confidence and faith in the Lord.

19 “Because of your great compassion you did not abandon them in the wilderness. By day the pillar of cloud did not fail to guide them on their path, nor the pillar of fire by night to shine on the way they were to take. 20 You gave your good Spirit to instruct them. You did not withhold your manna from their mouths, and you gave them water for their thirst. 21 For forty years you sustained them in the wilderness; they lacked nothing, their clothes did not wear out nor did their feet become swollen. --Nehemiah 9:19-21

"God will not give everything you want, but he will always give everything you need."
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: nerveblocker on Nov 18, 2013 at 06:10 AM
I have been studying salvation for the past few weeks....
Christians will be saved once they accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.


-Yes.  The moment that they have accepted Christ as their Lord and Saviour,  they are saved.  Remember the thief that was also crucified with Jesus who believed. Luke 23:42-43

And Salvation will NOT be gone even though they commit some sins whether intentional or
not intentional.  Like 'Once Saved, Always Saved' belief.


For me kasi, nawawala ang salvation kapag gumawa ang isang Kristiano ng kasalanan.
Some say, we have been saved by Grace not by works.


-Once you are saved, this does not mean that you can sin all you can and can go to heaven regardless of what you do.  Remember that man has a sinful nature and he will always stumble and sin.  The difference between a Christian sinning is that when he sins, he acknowledges/recognizes and repents against that sin right away and confesses to the Lord.  You have a personal relationship with the Lord, a very strong one which is strengthened by daily Bible readings and prayers.  As a result, your works and words will reflect that relationship with God.  So it is not being saved by good works but be saved first and doing good works as a manifestation of your relationship with God.

All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.--Isiah 64:6

Grace is the free and unmerited favor of God. Grace means that it is freely given to you even if you do not deserve it.  All you have to do is just accept his gift of salvation and live the Christian life.

In Revelation kasi, even though the names are already written in the Book of Life,
God can still blot them out. So it means, nawawala talaga ang salvation. Tama ba?


-God knows everything and your future.  So what is written in the Book of Life is absolute because God will know your decisions in your life before you make them and the result of your decisions.

Being a Christian is a way of Life.  Enjoy it!
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Nov 18, 2013 at 12:24 PM
Sir neverblocker, you might not know it, but the issues you are discussing are controversial.  I won't comment on which side I agree with; all I can say is that they are controversial.
 
 
1.  One side says the phrase "accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior" is biblical.
 
The other side says it's an unbiblical catchphrase popularized by 20th century Evangelical Protestants, especially the American televangelists.  Possible earliest origin is the "sinner's prayer" style of American Evangelical Protestant Dwight L. Moody in the late 1800s.
 
 
2.  One side says salvation is an instantaneous event.
 
The other side says salvation is not instantaneous, but a process.  The thief on the cross is not the rule but the exception, since he was already at the point of death.
 
 
3.  One side says salvation requires good works.
 
The other side says "Once Saved Always Saved" means after being "saved," you can do anything you want because you "cannot sin."   (9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [1 Jn. 3:9])  Therefore, only faith is required.
 
 
4.  One side says God knows everything.
 
The other side says the word "Omniscient" is not found in the bible because there are some things God does not know.  God did not know beforehand that Adam would eat the fruit.  God did not know beforehand that Abraham would obey the command to sacrifice Isaac.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: JT on Nov 23, 2013 at 06:58 PM
"God will not give everything you want, but he will always give everything you need."

Kapatid, Faith is like our currency in heaven. God responds to one's FAITH, not to wants or needs.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: JT on Nov 23, 2013 at 07:50 PM
I have been studying salvation for the past few weeks....
Christians will be saved once they accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
And Salvation will NOT be gone even though they commit some sins whether intentional or
not intentional.  Like 'Once Saved, Always Saved' belief.

For me kasi, nawawala ang salvation kapag gumawa ang isang Kristiano ng kasalanan.
Some say, we have been saved by Grace not by works.
In Revelation kasi, even though the names are already written in the Book of Life,
God can still blot them out. So it means, nawawala talaga ang salvation. Tama ba?

How do u receive salvation in the first place? Then the reverse of it, you looses salvation. So as long as you are fulfilling the condition for salvation, then God will honour His covenant or promise to you.

Parang nung kay Adam and Eve. Ang covenant with God not to eat the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil.  Kaya yun ang temptation nung devil sa kanila.  Bakit hindi tinukso si Eve na patayin si Adam or break other law in the ten commandments???  Kasi yun lang ang condition na binigay ni God. Di pa naman binibigay yung ten commandments.

Same is true here, the devil's temptations to every believer now is to divert them from the condition given by God whereby man will be saved. So the devil creates lots of confusion or controversies regarding this.

So how u loose salvation, by UNBELIEF & by RELIGIOSITY in which you will have the tendency again to try earn your salvation by good works.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Dec 02, 2013 at 06:38 PM
Cool discussion :)

Anyway, anyone can confirm kung anong klaseng Christian si Paul Walker?

Just saw this quote from his IMDB page:

Quote
I'm a Christian now. The things that drove me crazy growing up was how everyone works at fault-finding with different religions. The people I don't understand are atheists. I go surfing and snow boarding and I'm always around nature. I look at everything and think, 'Who couldn't believe there's a God? Is all this a mistake?' It just blows me away.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0908094/bio?ref_=nm_dyk_qt_sm#quotes

 :)

Same as me, one of the reason I'm Christian is because of The Creation.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: RU9 on Dec 02, 2013 at 08:06 PM
So how u loose salvation, by UNBELIEF & by RELIGIOSITY in which you will have the tendency again to try earn your salvation by good works.

Please expound, got confused.

if you do not believe in salvation, no need to earn salvation.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: RU9 on Dec 02, 2013 at 08:10 PM

Same as me, one of the reason I'm Christian is because of The Creation.

A muslim can also say "I am a Muslim because of the The Creation".
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Dec 02, 2013 at 08:38 PM
A muslim can also say "I am a Muslim because of the The Creation".

Good for them, the topic of Salvation By Faith Alone, God's true identity its what's left for them to find out by God's grace etc.

I did say its just one of my reasons. ^

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Dec 02, 2013 at 09:01 PM
Every step is getting brighter
As the golden stairs I climb;
Every burden's getting lighter,
Every cloud is silver-lined.
There the sun is always shining,
There no tear will dim the eye;
At the ending of the rainbow
Where the mountains touch the sky.

I don't know about tomorrow;
It may bring me poverty.
But the one who feeds the sparrow,
Is the one who stands by me.
And the path that is my portion
May be through the flame or flood;
But His presence goes before me
And I'm covered with His blood



If God can take care of the sparrow how much more for me who is more valuable than the sparrow...the love of God keeps me going... Matthew 10:31

I dont need to worry what food to eat, or clothes to wear... God will take care of me... Matthew 6:26
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: JT on Dec 04, 2013 at 04:12 PM
Please expound, got confused.

if you do not believe in salvation, no need to earn salvation.

Do u mind telling me your point first? I need to know where you are coming from so that I can answer properly.



Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Dec 04, 2013 at 06:42 PM
Do u mind telling me your point first? I need to know where you are coming from so that I can answer properly.

because you said
Quote
...by UNBELIEF & by RELIGIOSITY in which you will have the tendency again to try earn your salvation by good works.

I think he understood your statement to mean the person is "not believing IN salvation" already, why then should he still try to earn it?

So I guess the statement should have been ..by Unbelief "or" religiosity.

Kampai!

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: RU9 on Dec 04, 2013 at 07:09 PM
Thank you , Rex. That's what I was asking.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: newbie pa rin on Dec 04, 2013 at 07:13 PM
 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(John 3:3 KJV)

 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(John 3:5 KJV)

How can you confirm if you have been born of the Spirit?

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: JT on Dec 04, 2013 at 08:13 PM
Thank you , Rex. That's what I was asking.

RU9, I want to hear directly from you.  What's your question again?

Please make it as detailed as possible because I just really wanted to be very clear on which part your are confused. And giving an example would help.

Thanks.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Dec 04, 2013 at 08:16 PM
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(John 3:3 KJV)

 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(John 3:5 KJV)

How can you confirm if you have been born of the Spirit?



Quick answer for me is if you analyze your life and see your Faith has produced good fruits(James 2) then you have been "born" again by receiving The Spirit.

Galatians 3:2 (NASB)

This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 04, 2013 at 08:40 PM
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(John 3:3 KJV)

 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(John 3:5 KJV)

How can you confirm if you have been born of the Spirit?
Quick answer for me is if you analyze your life and see your Faith has produced good fruits(James 2) then you have been "born" again by receiving The Spirit.

Galatians 3:2 (NASB)

This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Yes. And only the person in question can discern if he is already born of Spirit. It is between the person and God. Madami din kasi sa mundo na "puro show". It is a relationship and a way of life din kasi.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Dec 04, 2013 at 08:44 PM
if this will turn to some sort of argument... we may continue the discussion in "The Religion Thread" thread.... since this thread is dedication to application of Word of God in our daily life... please...
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Dec 04, 2013 at 10:59 PM
if this will turn to some sort of argument... we may continue the discussion in "The Religion Thread" thread.... since this thread is dedication to application of Word of God in our daily life... please...

You're right. In light of the flow of the conversation and to be on topic:

Luke 17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
- KJV

everday Lord, everyday...
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: newbie pa rin on Dec 05, 2013 at 12:01 PM
Sir did you mean-
You have been born of the Spirit if you produced good fruits because of your faith.
Can we conclude that mother Theresa have been born f the Spirit because of the good fruits through faith that she has done?

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Dec 05, 2013 at 01:58 PM
Para malalim ang understanding, you should start with what the bible says, not with short explanations from others.
 
Kung gusto mo ng short explanation, ok na yung sinasabi ng previous posts, kasi tama naman sila.
 
But if you prefer a more in-depth meaning, I can guide you with bible verses if you want.  The conclusion will be basically the same. 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Dec 05, 2013 at 02:09 PM
Sir did you mean-
You have been born of the Spirit if you produced good fruits because of your faith.
Can we conclude that mother Theresa have been born f the Spirit because of the good fruits through faith that she has done?

Nope. I mean Galatians 3:2 literally. Hearing(accepting) Faith Alone then we receive the (new?)Spirit.
You also might want to read the whole chapter.

Remember, your question was:

Quote
How can you confirm if you have been born of the Spirit?

Answer was to analyze your life not someone else life then judge them.

If your question now is how do we confirm if Mother Theresa was born of the Spirit, we can analyze what her Faith comprises of first. Remember even Bill Gates can top all the "good works" any Christian can do.

That's only on the surface though there are lots of "ifs" but judge not lest ye be judged. Faith alone makes a person born again and a person's good works cannot do that, they are just fruits.

Anyway if you want you can create a new thread for that topic since its not for this one. :)

Para malalim ang understanding, you should start with what the bible says, not with short explanations from others.
 
Kung gusto mo ng short explanation, ok na yung sinasabi ng previous posts, kasi tama naman sila.
 
But if you prefer a more in-depth meaning, I can guide you with bible verses if you want.  The conclusion will be basically the same. 

Right sir. A separate thread will do.

Also know the difference if someone is stating an opinion or not like for me here's a quote from my favorite Agnostic's show, The Simpsons.

Quote
[car tyres screech to a halt outside. The Simpsons' silhouettes as the family make their way to the church door. Their conversation can also be heard]

Marge Simpson: I hate being late!

Homer Simpson: Well I hate going. Why can't I worship the Lord in my own way, by praying like hell on my death bed.

;D

IMHO God/Jesus can come personally on someone's death bed and save/pardon them as He pleases. How would I know if Jesus did or never came when Mother Theresa was dying?

Bill Gates and other non-believers are still alive I am hoping he will be saved too. :) Still Christians should be "witnessing (http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-witnessing.html)". :)

Godbless.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Dec 05, 2013 at 02:23 PM
Right sir. A separate thread will do.

You're a funny guy...  :D
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Dec 05, 2013 at 02:25 PM

You're a funny guy...  :D

Thanks. We can entitle the new thread: How to be Born Again? ;D
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sirhc on Dec 05, 2013 at 10:34 PM
Can anyone share a verse in the bible that deals on how to cope up with struggles in life, when everything seems to go wrong? I know that there's reason here somewhere.. Thanks in advance..
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Dec 06, 2013 at 01:59 AM
Can anyone share a verse in the bible that deals on how to cope up with struggles in life, when everything seems to go wrong? I know that there's reason here somewhere.. Thanks in advance..

You may read the life of Job... my favorite phrase "i shall come forth as gold" Job 23:10

Job never lost his faith eventhough everything he have gone, sons died, wealth gone, health worse, at ang pinakamasklap sa lahat... naiwan pa ang asawa (joke lang)... masakit ang mawala lahat ng anak at kamaganak.

Job sees those bad things happened to him as necessary fot him to be a better person after he overcome those struggles and trials.

Tested, tried and purified in the fire seven times and we shall come forth as gold.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 06, 2013 at 07:32 AM
Can anyone share a verse in the bible that deals on how to cope up with struggles in life, when everything seems to go wrong? I know that there's reason here somewhere.. Thanks in advance..

John 16:33
New International Version (NIV)
33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

Job 11:13-20
New International Version (NIV)
13 “Yet if you devote your heart to him
    and stretch out your hands to him,
14 if you put away the sin that is in your hand
    and allow no evil to dwell in your tent,
15 then, free of fault, you will lift up your face;
    you will stand firm and without fear.
16 You will surely forget your trouble,
    recalling it only as waters gone by.
17 Life will be brighter than noonday,
    and darkness will become like morning.
18 You will be secure, because there is hope;
    you will look about you and take your rest in safety.
19 You will lie down, with no one to make you afraid,
    and many will court your favor.
20 But the eyes of the wicked will fail,
    and escape will elude them;
    their hope will become a dying gasp.”
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sirhc on Dec 06, 2013 at 08:07 AM
Thanks again sirs for the inspiring verses..  :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: puffalan84 on Dec 09, 2013 at 09:04 AM
anyone here put their favorite verse on their Email signature?

Romans 8:31
What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?..
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Dec 09, 2013 at 12:30 PM
anyone here put their favorite verse on their Email signature?

Romans 8:31
What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?..


Isaiah 41:13

"For I the Lord thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee."


The verse above started as my email signature during my college thesis/sp... ang laki ng problema ko before paano mabubuo ang thesis/sp since I was not allowed to present my thesis/sp in Filipino... I ask the Lord to give me strength and He lead mo to this verse. :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: nerveblocker on Dec 09, 2013 at 06:21 PM
For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. --Philippians 1:21
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 09, 2013 at 07:15 PM
Maybe you can explain further kung bakit iyan ang mga favorite verse ninyo for purposes of sharing.

anyone here put their favorite verse on their Email signature?

Romans 8:31
What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?..


Isaiah 41:13

"For I the Lord thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee."


For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. --Philippians 1:21
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: JT on Dec 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM
Time flies so fast that the year 2013 is almost ending. I can't help but remember the good things I have in Singapore and the opportunities I have given up for the ministry. Many things are different and the way of life is quite the opposite here in New Zealand.

But while waiting so long for an IT job and before frustrations & discouragements starts to find its way inside me, one thing God has taught me.

"That you have to say 'NO' to the GOOD things the WORLD can OFFER so that you can say 'YES' and receive the BEST God will GIVE".

As Jeremiah 29:11 says "For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

Have a blessed weekend to us all!
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: ArtMusic on Dec 14, 2013 at 05:53 PM
This is my favorite verse...

Be still, and know that I am God. 
Psalms 46:10

The best lesson for me this year is, I have realized,
that I rather seek God than seeking and studying the doctrines.

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Dec 15, 2013 at 08:46 AM
I guess its different for every individual, me I actually get encouragement and confidence by my favorite verse...

Ecclesiastes 1:2

“Vanity of vanities,” says the Preacher,
“Vanity of vanities! All is vanity.

for some reason. ;D
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Dec 15, 2013 at 02:10 PM
I guess its different for every individual, me I actually get encouragement and confidence by my favorite verse...

Ecclesiastes 1:2

“Vanity of vanities,” says the Preacher,
“Vanity of vanities! All is vanity.

for some reason. ;D

i love this verse also...

sometimes my human nature always tells me that this world is unfair... bakit parang lahat ng gusto ko di ko nakukuha... bakit ang ibang tao mas maraming pera kesa sa akin... mas maraming material na bagay para sa akin...

there are also times that i felt i am superior than others... that i am more blessed than other... that i am better than other... i am full of vanities within me... vain ideas...

but this verse reminds me that "all is vanity"... and i realize... we are all equal so no need to be envous of others... no need to be boastful...

we think we are richer than others, we think we are superior than other, we thini we are prettier than others, we think we are brighter than others... well... we can't beat King Solomon in terms of wealth, health, intillegence...

Si King Solomon na nasa kanya na ang lahat (pera, talino, babae, etc), pero ang sabi niya sa first two verse ng kanyang aklat... "Vanity of vanities! All is vanity."

"Vanity of vanities! All is vanity."
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Dec 16, 2013 at 11:22 AM
Maganda nga ang Ecclesiastes.  Pero hindi si Solomon ang author.  I can give a short explanation about its authorship if you want.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Dec 16, 2013 at 12:21 PM
^ pero mukha parin namang "God Breathed" siya ;D

@dpogs that right.

Saka parang mas "feel" ko personally mga "Seek ye first...", Phil 4:13 pag yang Ecclessiastes ang Template dito sa present life.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: JT on Dec 23, 2013 at 10:00 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/887103_694109183955274_1672833465_o.jpg)

The journey Mary had from hearing the message from God, receiving the Holy Spirit, conceiving Jesus and delivering Jesus to the world was not exclusive to her but for every true Christians. And it has been every pastor's desire for every believers to fulfil this purpose in their lives.

As Paul says in Galatians 4:19, "My little children, for whom I labour in birth again until Christ is formed in you,"

Have a Mary Christmas to you all. And may everyone be fully blessed all throughout this holiday season.

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Moks007 on Dec 23, 2013 at 10:45 PM
wow sir JT, that is a very nice picture. God bless and Merry Christmas to all!
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Dec 28, 2013 at 03:26 PM
Reposting lang here. :)

The conversation I just read sa IMDB I think rocked yo! :)

Exodus (2014) : do modern and intelligent people really... (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1528100/board/thread/221852800?p=1)

:)

Vanity of Vanities :D

Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 16, 2014 at 03:23 PM
Guys, somebody is in need of our prayers.

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,186715.msg2059128.html#msg2059128
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: nerveblocker on Jan 25, 2014 at 07:25 AM
We must always be ready for the coming of the Lord Jesus....

Matthew 24:36-44(NIV)

The Day and Hour Unknown

36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
Footnotes:
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 31, 2014 at 10:36 AM
The lessons and words of God in the Bible, from old to new testament, does not contradict each other. Iba iba lang ang audiences kaya akala natin, nagkaka-iba ang teachings. Hence the Bible should be taken as a whole. Hindi pwedeng magkaiba ang utos and teachings in Diyos regardless of time.
Here's an example i have learned:

Det. 19:21
21 Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

Madalas ito ma-misinterpret para may personal reason tayo for revenge. Cherry picking eka. But if you would read the verses prior to that:

Det. 19:15-21
Witnesses

15 One witness is not enough to convict anyone accused of any crime or offense they may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.

16 If a malicious witness takes the stand to accuse someone of a crime, 17 the two people involved in the dispute must stand in the presence of the Lord before the priests and the judges who are in office at the time. 18 The judges must make a thorough investigation, and if the witness proves to be a liar, giving false testimony against a fellow Israelite, 19 then do to the false witness as that witness intended to do to the other party. You must purge the evil from among you. 20 The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you. 21 Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

This is a command for the judges pala. I think hindi applicable sa atin. Ang pagkaka-intindi ko, dapat equal weight ang punishment sa crime. Imagine na lang natin kung ang mga judges natin ay puro pity.  ;D

Which coincides with the new testament.

Matthew 5:38-42
Eye for Eye

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Please feel free to correct me, or add.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 31, 2014 at 10:40 AM
Pahabol for those na hindi pa nakikita:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,187401.0.html
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Aug 23, 2014 at 03:15 PM
Copy paste ko lang ito:

If you are married or have been married you understand how the inherent differences between you and your spouse drive you both crazy. A man is a certain way and a woman is a certain way. In all the complaints of your various differences have you ever stopped to think that you are both created in God's image? Our differences attract and repel each other but at the end of the day we can't do without each other. If you ever want to know how deep and magnificent God is look at how you feel and think as a woman and also how you feel and think as a man. God is amazing!

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. (‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭27‬ NKJV)

Women are driven by emotions we fall in love with our ears. You tell us sweet words and the job is halfway done. Men are visual you look good as a woman and the job is halfway done. We are both sexual creatures but we approach sex differently. A woman's emotions need to be fed to enjoy and be engaged sexually. A man is visual in his approach to sex. Let me give you a nugget of truth in case you don't know. Husbands, the key to having as much sex with your wife as you want and not have her pretend she has a Headache or say "Not tonight Baby" is feed her emotions. Even if you have been married for 20 years she never gets tired of hearing you say, "I love you!" Many Husbands make the mistake of assuming their Wives know they are loved because they are good providers. A Husband may say "Of course she knows I love her. I'm married to her aren't I? I take care of her and provide for her and the children. She knows I love her" Urm yeah you know that saying Actions speak louder than words? In marriage words are just as effective as actions. Use both your words and actions to be affectionate, be compassionate and actually listen to her versus think she is spouting off illogically. God created your Wife to see life from a different perspective read between the lines and take time to decipher what she's saying.


And the LORD God said, “ It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” (‭Genesis‬ ‭2‬:‭18‬ NKJV)


Wives, respect your husband. You were created to be a helper to him so ensure you are one. Men equate love with respect. Don't emasculate your husband or tear him down with your words or actions. Be a WIFE not a KNIFE! You have great power in your home and you need to use it positively. It is your duty to pray for your Husband and your home daily. Don't take this duty lightly the devil attacks marriages daily. You have to go into battle mode for your home spiritually as long as you are alive. Be available and be nurturing in the bedroom and outside of the bedroom your Husband needs you. Life is rough out there make your home welcoming to him, make him want to come home to you, greet him with a smile that goes a long way.

Husbands and Wives keep God in the center of your marriage. This is how to handle conflict. Speak your mind respectfully to your spouse and when you can't agree, go to God and ask Him to be the judge of the matter. God will make a way and settle the conflict between you so you can live in peace. Take God out of your marriage and try to settle every conflict by yourself you will be very frustrated and unhappy. There is a book called the 5 Love Languages  by Gary Chapman get it and read it so you can understand how to love each other. Everyone has a love language the key is to find the love language of your spouse that is the way they feel loved and when we feel loved great things happen.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: rexFi on Aug 27, 2014 at 01:44 PM
Dedicated sa mga may Birthday Celebrants this August:

Proverbs 9:11
For through wisdom your days will be many, and years will be added to your life. (NIV)

Ecclesiastes 11:8
However many years a man may live, let him enjoy them all. (NIV)

Isaiah 46:4
Even to your old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you. (NIV)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 03, 2014 at 10:41 AM
Guys, prayer request naman ako. May upcoming typhoon. Please pray for protection sa lahat ng filipinos. Masyado na tayong bugbog sa bagyo. Sana ito, malusutan natin with minimum casualties. I sincerely believe in the power of prayer as a group of believers.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 12, 2014 at 11:49 PM
Thank you for your prayers. God is good!
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 01, 2015 at 10:44 PM
Share ko lang some inspiring message from Bella Alex Nosagie:

If I ask you if you love God what will your answer be? A resounding yes? Probably that's what you believe. How about if I ask you if you love God more than your spouse? Do you love Him more than your child? Do you love Him more than your career? Do you love Him more than your possessions? What about your next meal? Do you love God more than your next plate of food? Is the answer still yes? If one or all of these is taken from you, will you still love God? When you have no loving arms to hold unto and no romantic getaways to go to, will you still love God? If you lose a precious child unexpectedly will you spend so much time in grief and blaming God or will you cling to Him closer than ever? Many of us think we love God but we don't. God gave us all we have. God gave us life, yet we are focused on living life to the fullest without praising and loving the giver of life...the giver of all we have. There are Christians in other parts of the world who are dying for their faith in Jesus. Have you ever asked yourself if you are faced with such persecution if you will stand up for Jesus? Do you love God more than your life? Are you ready to die for your belief in Him? Christianity is a very serious and heartfelt matter. Too many Christians today are taking their faith lightly instead of getting deep into the Word of God and building a true and intimate relationship with God. It is a journey you may not be ready to commit to right now but ask Him for the strength to commit to Him no matter what. God empowers you to love Him and commit to Him. This is why He is looking for you to surrender your life to Him. Surrender your will to His will.

And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. (‭Mark‬ ‭12‬:‭30‬ NKJV)

Meditate on this verse and ask God for the power to love Him above all else. He is looking for this in His children. If you are indeed a Child of God this is how you should love God and be committed to Him. He will then empower you to:

And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” (‭Mark‬ ‭12‬:‭31‬ NKJV)

You cannot love your neighbor as yourself without the power of God. And you cannot access the power of God without getting close to God. Building an intimate relationship with God is the key to living a life that is pleasing to Him.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Feb 02, 2015 at 10:09 AM
On the same topic, I'm going to continue, to complete the message.
 
Those verses are not for Christians, they are for the Israelites concerning the Old Testament.  That's because Jesus' answer was in response to a question regarding the commandments of the Old Testament.
 
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
 
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” (Mk. 12: 28-30)

Thus, Jesus was talking about the commandments of Moses, in response to a Jewish teacher asking about Mosaic law.

But in John, Jesus teaches:

34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.  (Jn. 13:34)
 
This statement concerns love that is of a higher degree than merely loving your neighbor as yourself --- it teaches us to love one another as Christ loved us.
 
It is not the same thing as loving your neighbor as yourself.  That is why Christ said it was "a new command," meaning it is new and different, not a mere repetition of Leviticus 19:18.    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+19%3A18&version=NKJV (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+19%3A18&version=NKJV)
 
That is why Christ also said:
 
12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.  (Jn.15:12-13)
 
Notice that He said "my command," meaning that it is something new that came from Christ, not from Moses.
 
You do not lay down your life for a friend if you only love him as yourself.  You can only do that if you love him as Christ loves him.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 02, 2015 at 12:59 PM
Wow. Thank you very much for those wonderful insights sir!!! Kinda question nga din yan in my mind yun verses na yun re love for others. You have explained it very simply and clearly. And best of all, walang conflict between the other verses of the Bible.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 23, 2015 at 09:55 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9BWqhaHE64Q/Up5xaYFF1uI/AAAAAAAARHg/sdFj01W3Au0/s1600/life+as+a+christian.png)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: newbie pa rin on Mar 05, 2015 at 01:30 PM
Excerp from what @Nelson de Leon posted above

From Bella Alex Nosagie:

If I ask you if you love God what will your answer be? A resounding yes? Probably that's what you believe. How about if I ask you if you love God more than your spouse? Do you love Him more than your child? Do you love Him more than your career? Do you love Him more than your possessions? What about your next meal? Do you love God more than your next plate of food? Is the answer still yes? If one or all of these is taken from you, will you still love God? When you have no loving arms to hold unto and no romantic getaways to go to, will you still love God? If you lose a precious child unexpectedly will you spend so much time in grief and blaming God or will you cling to Him closer than ever?

If you can answer this with a yes,  you already matured in your spiritual walk with God.

Philippians 3:8 (NIV)
8 What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ

1 John 2:15-16 (NIV)
15 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father[a] is not in them. 16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 07, 2015 at 11:07 PM
Guys, allow me to share something i've learned kaninang umaga. As believers of Christ, instead of asking "Bakit nangyari sa akin ito?", we can also ask "Lord, what lesson do you want me to learn from what is happening?".
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: shrek7 on Mar 08, 2015 at 01:31 AM
Guys, allow me to share something i've learned kaninang umaga. As believers of Christ, instead of asking "Bakit nangyari sa akin ito?", we can also ask "Lord, what lesson do you want me to learn from what is happening?".
nice!
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Mar 10, 2015 at 03:44 PM
@ Atty. Bro. Barrister:

Magandang balitaktakan ito. Based on the book of Genesis, i have to agree with your example na God is not omnipresent and omniscience. However, naalala ko yun famous answer mo re forgiveness. God is forgiving but it is not absolute. God will only choose who to forgive if He deems it so. And there are examples in the Bible that God forgives, and God does not. Going back to omnipresent and omniscience, can we say na it is also not absolute, meaning God chooses not to be omnipresent or omniscience in certain cases, thereby giving way to man's free will?

On the issue of omnipresence, medyo nagulat ako at agree ka na God is not omnipresent, since as far as I know, the majority of Christian denominations believe that God is omnipresent.
 
Pahihirapan kita nang konti, sir  ;) :
 
Kung hindi omnipresent ang Diyos, how would you reconcile that with these verses ---
 
7Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? 8If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. (Ps. 139: 7 & 8 )
 
 
On the issue of whether God can be omnipresent and omniscient if He wants to, but merely chooses not to exercise those powers, the bible gives no answer. 
 
God revealed Himself through His word.  The things He does not reveal, we should not speculate.  I believe God is not omnipresent or omniscient, then I stop there.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Mar 10, 2015 at 04:35 PM
Ang question na lang is, how can we become Jesus' flock of sheep.

You become a part of the flock by your own choice. Follow Christ and you become part of the flock.
 

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26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. (Jn. 10: 26 & 27)
 
The unbelieving Jews during Jesus' time did not believe He was the Messiah, so they did not listen to Him and did not follow Him. But there are those who did believe and did follow Him, and they were called His sheep.
 
Therefore, if you are His sheep, you hear His word and follow it. If you are not His sheep, you ignore His word.
 
What do you have to do? Follow His commandments. Very simple, right?
 

===================================
 

Keep that in mind and other related parts of Christ's teachings will easily click into place:
 
1. Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (Jn. 14: 6) ---
 
He is the way, meaning follow His path. A way is a path or a route. What route should you follow? The route given by Christ. Follow His commandments and you follow his route.
 
He is the truth, meaning his route is the correct route, not the wrong way.
 
He is the life, meaning you follow His route and you gain eternal life.
 
 
2. 11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14 “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. (Jn. 10: 11-15) ---
 
Jesus is the good shepherd, meaning He cares for His sheep, not the like the owner's hired shepherd who runs away when the wolf comes. The good shepherd does not run away when the wolf comes; He protects His sheep even if it will mean His death.
 
That's a reference to Jesus' death so that the sheep will live. Meaning, He gave His life so that we can have eternal life.
 

3. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. (Jn. 10: 26 & 27)---
 
Sino yung sheep Niya?
 
Very simple. The ones who hear His voice and follow Him.
 
How do you hear His voice? Read the bible and understand Christ's commandments.
 
How do you follow Him? Follow His commandments.
 
 
4. 7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. ...9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. (Jn. 10: 7; 9) ---
 
He is the gate (or "door" in the KJV), meaning you go through Him to enter the sheep's pen.
 
How do you go through Him? Same principle. Follow His commandments.
 
If you follow His commandments, you are like the sheep who hear the voice of the good shepherd and follow him. The sheep of the good shepherd follows only His voice, not the voice of the hired shepherd, or the thief, or the robber.
 
If you go though the gate (Christ), you become part of His flock of sheep. If you are part of the flock, the good shepherd protects you from the wolf and death. if you are protected from death, you get eternal life.
 
 
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Makes sense?  ;) 
 
Now, punta tayo sa kanta ni Basil Valdez.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 10, 2015 at 05:28 PM

On the issue of omnipresence, medyo nagulat ako at agree ka na God is not omnipresent, since as far as I know, the majority of Christian denominations believe that God is omnipresent.
 
Pahihirapan kita nang konti, sir  ;) :
 
Kung hindi omnipresent ang Diyos, how would you reconcile that with these verses ---
 
7Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? 8If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. (Ps. 139: 7 & 8 )
 
 
On the issue of whether God can be omnipresent and omniscient if He wants to, but merely chooses not to exercise those powers, the bible gives no answer. 
 
God revealed Himself through His word.  The things He does not reveal, we should not speculate.  I believe God is not omnipresent or omniscient, then I stop there.

Agree ako re omnipresent when applied to the same principle as God being a forgiving God whenever He deemed necessary. ;D

It reconciles naman for me. God gave Adam and Eve free will. In order for them to pass the test, they have to decide on their own whether to eat the apple or not. It was not also specific sa Bible na God is not omnipresent. If I were to read the Psalms verses, it does clearly state that God is everywhere. However, by not exercising omnipresent, does not necessarily mean God is not omnipresent.
Parang ganito, God is forgiving. Kung meron man hindi pinatawad ang Diyos doesn't make God unforgiving.

Whew! Nosebleed na ako sa iyo.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Mar 10, 2015 at 05:31 PM
Teka, may Basil pa tayo ...  8)
 

Maganda yung kanta ni Basil, entitled "Lift Up Your Hands" (1985).  Here's a portion of the lyrics:

And He said, "Cast your burdens upon Me
Those who are heavily laden,
Come to Me, all of you who are tired
Of carrying heavy loads,
For the yoke I will give you is easy
And My burden is light,
Come to Me and I will give you rest."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG3fJ-y1aD8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG3fJ-y1aD8)

The lyrics were paraphrased form the bible:

28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” (Mt. 11: 29-30)

Jesus said, those who are weary and burdened, come to Me, and I will give you rest.

How do you come to Jesus? You follow His commandments. Sa katunayan, Jesus instructs us to take His yoke upon us and learn from Him.

What is a yoke?  It's a wooden crosspiece mounted over the neck and shoulders for carrying heavy objects like water pails.

(http://joshpelton.com/blag/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/watercarrier.jpg)


If you are tired, weary and burdened, Jesus doesn't just take your burden away from you; He also gives you a new burden.

Bakit ganon? Bakit hindi basta alisin na lang yung burden?  Kasi ang bagong burden na papasanin ay yung commandments ni Kristo.  Therefore, what does His yoke symbolize?  His commands.

Akala ko ba, "I will give you rest"? Bakit bibgyan ng bagong burden na nakalagay pa sa pamatok (yoke)?  Paano ka namang nagkaroon ng "rest," e may bubuhatin ka rin pala?

Magkakaroon ka talaga ng rest, kasi may bagong pasanin nga, pero malambot daw ang pamatok at magaan ang pasan.  End result, with the yoke you are rested, without the yoke, you are tired.
The bible says, my yoke is easy and my burden is light.  Sabi naman ni Basil, "For the yoke I will give you is easy and My burden is light; come to Me and I will give you rest.

Paanong naging malambot na pamatok at magaan na pasan ang mga utos ni Kristo? Very simple. Eto ang examples:

1.  Utos ni Hesus, hindi lang bawal pumatay, bawal ding magalit sa kapatid.

Pag hindi ka sumunod, at matindi ang galit mo sa kapwa, ikaw rin ang mahihirapan. Mahihirapan ka pa ngang makatulog e.  Bad for you emotionally and physically, tataas blood pressure, bibilis ang heart rate, etc., kasi lagi kang galit.

Pero pag sumunod ka, pinatawad mo yung nagkasala sa yo, wala nang galit sa loob mo, mas maginhawa pakiramdam mo. Mas masarap pa ngang matulog sa gabi ...  ;)

Tama ang sabi. Mas madali pang sumunod sa utos, kasi ikaw rin ang magiginhawahan at makakasumpong ng pahinga.

2.  Another example, utos din, hindi lang bawal ang adultery, bawal din tumingin nang may pagnanasa.

Mahirap bang sundin yon? Madali nga, e.

Isipin mo kung marami kang kabit. Ang gastos non. Yung isang betkabs binigyan mo ng iPad Air 2, nagalit yung isa, bakit daw yung kanya, Mini lang? Yung isa, binahay mo sa condo, nagreklamo yung isa, apartment lang daw, bulok pa...  :D

Pag ganon, malaking problema, magulo sa isip, nabuking ni Misis, hiniwalayan, nagalit yung mga anak, ayaw na siyang kausapin kasi niloloko mo yung nanay nila. Ang gastos pa, matututo kang magnakaw. Makasuhan ka pa ng estafa.

Hirap, di ba? E kung sumunod ka lang sa utos. Wag kang mambabae, e di ang ginhawa ng buhay mo.  Pinagtiyagaan mo nga yung asawa mong bad breath, pero madali ka namang nakatulog sa gabi...  :D  (Hindi ikaw yon sir ha, joke lang para hindi boring  ;) )

So you see, come to Jesus and He will give you rest. But He will still give you a yoke and a burden.

But take comfort in the fact that the yoke He will give you is easy, and His burden is light.

Maganda yung kanta ni Basil, di ba?  ;)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 10, 2015 at 05:44 PM

You become a part of the flock by your own choice. Follow Christ and you become part of the flock.
 

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26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. (Jn. 10: 26 & 27)
 
The unbelieving Jews during Jesus' time did not believe He was the Messiah, so they did not listen to Him and did not follow Him. But there are those who did believe and did follow Him, and they were called His sheep.
 
Therefore, if you are His sheep, you hear His word and follow it. If you are not His sheep, you ignore His word.
 
What do you have to do? Follow His commandments. Very simple, right?
 

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Keep that in mind and other related parts of Christ's teachings will easily click into place:
 
1. Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (Jn. 14: 6) ---
 
He is the way, meaning follow His path. A way is a path or a route. What route should you follow? The route given by Christ. Follow His commandments and you follow his route.
 
He is the truth, meaning his route is the correct route, not the wrong way.
 
He is the life, meaning you follow His route and you gain eternal life.
 
 
2. 11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14 “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. (Jn. 10: 11-15) ---
 
Jesus is the good shepherd, meaning He cares for His sheep, not the like the owner's hired shepherd who runs away when the wolf comes. The good shepherd does not run away when the wolf comes; he protects His sheep even if it will mean His death.
 
That's a reference to Jesus' death so that the sheep will live. Meaning, He gave His life so that we can have eternal life.
 

3. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. (Jn. 10: 26 & 27)---
 
Sino yung sheep Niya?
 
Very simple. The ones who hear His voice and follow Him.
 
How do you hear His voice? Read the bible and understand Christ's commandments.
 
How do you follow Him? Follow His commandments.
 
 
4. 7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. ...9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. (Jn. 10: 7; 9) ---
 
He is the gate (or "door" in the KJV), meaning you go through Him to enter the sheep's pen.
 
How do you go through Him? Same principle. Follow His commandments.
 
If you follow His commandments, you are like the sheep who hear the voice of the good shepherd and follow him. The sheep of the good shepherd follows only His voice, not the voice of the hired shepherd, or the thief, or the robber.
 
If you go though the gate (Christ), you become part of His flock of sheep. If you are part of the flock, the good shepherd protects you from the wolf and death. if you are protected from death, you get eternal life.
 
 
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Makes sense?  ;) 
 
Now, punta tayo sa kanta ni Basil Valdez.

Yes it does makes sense. Salvation is eternal life and it can be achieved even if you're still alive. Pero alam ko na ang sunod mong question. How can we follow the commandments. Everyone falls short. :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Mar 10, 2015 at 05:49 PM
Yes it does makes sense. Salvation is eternal life and it can be achieved even if you're still alive. Pero alam ko na ang sunod mong question. How can we follow the commandments. Everyone falls short. :)

No, ang next question ko, what are the commandments for Christians?  Paano mo susundin ang utos kung hindi mo alam kung ano ang mga utos na yon?
 
For example, may sinabi ba sa bibliya na bawal mag shabu?  ;)   Kung meron, saan nakalagay?  Bawal bang magsugal?  Saan nakasulat?

Pag alam mo na yung commandments, of course you can follow it.  Bakit ka naman uutusan ng imposible?  Nonsense ba ang Diyos?
 
 
If I were to read the Psalms verses, it does clearly state that God is everywhere.

No, it does not.  ;)
 
I cited it because it's the verse commonly cited by those who believe God is omnipresent.  But I disagree with their interpretation.
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Mar 10, 2015 at 06:35 PM
26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. (Jn. 10: 26 & 27)

Jesus said "MY sheep" hears my voice and follows me...
If you're not Jesus' sheep you can't listen to His voice nor can follow Him...

"MY sheep" - sheep na sila mismo ni Kristo that is why they listen and follow His commandment... naging sheep ba sila kasi sumusunod sila sa commandment or "sheep na sila" kaya sila sumusunod sa commandment...

@Barrister: I think and i believe as of this moment you're still trying to be one of Jesuss' sheep, right - by following His commandment? are you following His commandment because you want to be one of His sheep or you follow His commandment because you are His sheep?

Dito pumapasok ang sinasabi sa Matthew... sa araw araw na paggawa natin ng good works, sa bawat pagsunod natin sa kanyang mga commandment... sa bawat pagsusumikap natin na gawin lahat ng kanyang kalooban pero bakit parang kulang pa rin... bakit parang mabigat pa rin ang ating pakiramdam...

Jesus said "Come unto me" its a statement that what Jesus said is already completed doon sa cross... kung mapapansin natin ang "yoke" during Jesus time or during Bible times... designed ang yoke before for two cattle (ngayon kasi ang yoke para lang sa isang kalabaw)... noon ang usong yoke noon ay pang-dalawahang cattle ... something similiar sa baba

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQg47gO_5S_y--wGCHkjNjkWzSGM7Sn5_64NC_rcmY9s5RYE9_Dpw)

when you take Jesus yoke it is actually a partnership between you and God... because we really cant take our own yoke in short... we cant do any good by ourselves.... it is only by the power of God that we can carry the yoke...



Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Mar 10, 2015 at 07:38 PM
Magkaiba ang interpretation natin sir.

The source of the difference is that I believe good works are necessary; but you believe good works are not necessary, because all we need is faith.

I will not attempt to convince you, I'll just present my side, and I will leave our members to decide on their own.

To our other readers, tanggap na namin ni sir dpogs na magkaiba talaga kami ng views sa issue na ito.  We have both accepted that we will not be able to convince each other.  Academic discussion na lang ito...  ;)

@Barrister: I think and i believe as of this moment you're still trying to be one of Jesuss' sheep, right - by following His commandment? are you following His commandment because you want to be one of His sheep or you follow His commandment because you are His sheep?

I believe we should continue following His commandments to remain in the flock. That's the big difference between our beliefs.

Your view is that once we are saved, we are always saved. No need to strive to keep His commandments because we automatically keep His commandments once we are saved. That's the OSAS (Once Saved, always Saved) doctrine.

But in the bible, it is possible to lose salvation if we do not keep His commandments:

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Sabi nila, if you fall away, you were never really saved in the first place.

But the people in those verses already had salvation.  They were enlightened, tasted of the heavenly gift, made partakers of the Holy Ghost, tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come.  But they can still fall away, and if they do, it will be impossible to renew them again unto repentance.

Therefore, it is possible for one who had already been saved to lose it. That is why Jesus said:

23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. (Lk. 9:23)

Take up your cross "daily," or you might lose your salvation.  You don't just have faith, then good works follow automatically without effort.  Taking up the cross is a burden that is a daily, continuing struggle.


Jesus said "Come unto me" its a statement that what Jesus said is already completed doon sa cross... kung mapapansin natin ang "yoke" during Jesus time or during Bible times... designed ang yoke before for two cattle (ngayon kasi ang yoke para lang sa isang kalabaw)... noon ang usong yoke noon ay pang-dalawahang cattle ... something similiar sa baba

when you take Jesus yoke it is actually a partnership between you and God... because we really cant take our own yoke in short... we cant do any good by ourselves.... it is only by the power of God that we can carry the yoke...

Yung yoke for farming ay puwedeng single, or double, or more. Ang double ay may application sa bible; pero ang single ay may application din, depende sa context.


1.  Example of a double yoke:

14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? (2 Cor. 6:14)

When we say 2 animals are equally yoked, it means both animals on a double yoke are very similar in size, temperament and strength, so that a stronger puller does not drag the weaker and force it to walk faster than normal, and the weaker does not place an unnecessary load on the stronger who has to pull at the slower animal who can't keep up.

If you are a Christian, do not be yoked with unbelievers. It means you should not be in fellowship or partnership with unbelievers because they have nothing in common with you.

Paano kung best friend mo, business partner pa kayo, tapos gusto niyang mag casino, maglasing, at mag check-in ng pokpok pagkatapos. Hindi kayo magkakasundo. Or mahahawa ka sa kanyang mga kalokohan, bandang huli, ganon ka na rin.

Maliwanag na double yoke yan, like 2 oxen bound on a double yoke.


2.  Example of a single yoke:

23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. (Lk. 9:23)

That's one person taking up his burden daily.

Ang Diyos yung amo, kaya Siya ang magbibigay ng yoke, ikaw ang kakarga.

Sa interpretation mo, double yoke, na ang Diyos ay pareho mo lang na kalabaw din, na kasabay mong humihila nang side by side.
 
 
when you take Jesus yoke it is actually a partnership between you and God... because we really cant take our own yoke in short... we cant do any good by ourselves.... it is only by the power of God that we can carry the yoke...

Our good works are useless without grace.
 
Bakit?  Kasi naka-tatak na ang kasalanan natin.  Magsisi ka man, gumawa ka man ag kabutihan, naka-tatak na rin yung kasalanan mo, kaya hindi mo mabubura.
 
With the sacrifice of Jesus, puwede ka nang maligtas.  Puwede ka nang magsisi, burado ang kasalanan mo, be a new person, follow Christ, and you can still have eternal life.  Tapos na ang mission ni Jesus; salvation is now possible.  But it is now up to us to follow Him so that we can attain it.
 
Without His sacrifice on the cross, kahit ano gawin mo, impiyerno ka pa rin.  With His sarifice, follow Him and you can be saved.
 
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. (Eph. 2: 8-9)
 
Good works are always required.  If you only have good works without Christ's death, it is useless.  Impiyerno ka pa rin, kasi nga, existing pa rin ang kasalanan mo.   But if you have good works plus God's grace through Christ's death, you can be saved. 

That's how important Christ's sacrifice was.  If you can be saved through your own works, then you can boast that you were saved without anyone else's help, including God's.  The bible shows us that your own works without the gift of God is not enough to attain salvation.
 
That's how the verses should be understood.  It does not mean that once saved, you are always saved no matter what you do, and good works are no longer necessary.
 
Sa katunayan:
 
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? ... 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (James 2: 20; 26)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 10, 2015 at 10:22 PM
Actually I have to agree din with bro dpogs. The yoke during the time of the Israelites is dalawahan. Instead carrying the load ourselves, God helps us ease the burden.

28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” (Mt. 11: 29-30)

If God is with us, then the yoke would be easy and the burden would be lighter.

And i also agree with Atty. Bro Barrister. Very logical ang utos ng Diyos. Remember your advice sa previous topic re forgiveness to others? But then ipapasok ko naman ang good works will naturally come out. What if hindi mo pa makita deep inside your heart to forgive? Will it be true forgiveness kung sasabihin mo lang na I forgive you? Diyan naman papasok ang you have to work on your salvation (hindi work for your salvation). We are not perfect individuals and as such, lalo na ako, being a baby christian (nun 2010 lang) that I am, I have to constantly study God's Word and get inspiration from It.

Ayan, medjo pinagsama ko and medjo na-reconcile ko. Hehe!
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 10, 2015 at 11:15 PM
Atty. bro Barrister:

Yan na nga ba ang kinakatakot ko na i-quote mong verse sa bible:

Hebrew 4

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

The audience here are the hebrews. Paul was talking about those who practice Judaism even after Jesus Christ came. They were once enlighten, have tasted the heavenly gift and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost. They were the people in the old testament, the Israelites. Kaya nga:

seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Even after Jesus was crucified to the cross, they still continue in disbelief kay Jesus. Continuing in disbelief, they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh. Afresh meaning again. Kung idudugtong natin ito sa mga christians na nag-fall away, then it would contradict John 10:29

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.

Imagine God's love sa atin. If we are redeemed, God takes possession of us. Why? Because we are His possession in the first place. We were just lost. And how were we redeemed, through the blood of Jesus Christ, the perfect sacrifice to a perfect God.

Now you may ask, are the people of the old testament saved because wala pa si Jesus Christ nun time na yun? Yes they are because they have faith in the coming Messiah. And within that faith, as atty. bro barrister mentioned, comes the works they did as so ordered by God. So to continue with the Hebrew 4:

9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

Jan din papasok yun sinasabi ni atty. bro Barrister na works.

For me, good works may come naturally. But again as I said, there are times that we have to work hard for it. Work on your salvation. And kung nahihirapan ka,:

And He said, "Cast your burdens upon Me
Those who are heavily laden,
Come to Me, all of you who are tired
Of carrying heavy loads,
For the yoke I will give you is easy
And My burden is light,
Come to Me and I will give you rest."
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Mar 10, 2015 at 11:25 PM
OK yan sir, I also want to read about different interpretations from different people.

Sa mga detalye lang naman tayo magkaiba.

At least, mas mabibigat ang discussions dito.  I'm sure nakakita ka na ng mga tao, John 3:16 lang pala ang kabisado, pero feeling expert na sa bibliya...  ;D  At least dito, maraming serious students of the bible.
 
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 10, 2015 at 11:27 PM
Eto naman ang isang context some people use for back sliders:

Galatians 5

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Sa NIV, it says:

4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

But if we get the verses before that, it says:

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Again, it talks about the jews from the old testament who follows the law re circumcision.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 10, 2015 at 11:29 PM
OK yan sir, I also want to read about different interpretations from different people.

Sa mga detalye lang naman tayo magkaiba.

At least, mas mabibigat ang discussions dito.  I'm sure nakakita ka na ng mga tao, John 3:16 lang pala ang kabisado, pero feeling expert na sa bibliya...  ;D  At least dito, maraming serious students of the bible.
 

Yes sir! What is important is, while we are discussing the Bible, we can seek comfort in the Word. Plus, through this discussion, we are glorifying God and His purpose for us.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Mar 11, 2015 at 12:15 AM
It reconciles naman for me. God gave Adam and Eve free will. In order for them to pass the test, they have to decide on their own whether to eat the apple or not.

By the way, don't say "apple."  That's not biblical.
 
Basahin mo uli yung Genesis, walang nakalagay na "apple."   ;)   
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Mar 11, 2015 at 12:55 AM
23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. (Lk. 9:23)

"Let him deny himself" - it only means forsake your earthly desire... we are sons of God inside sinful flesh... we need to deny ourself for its earthly desire instead take up the cross - to live daily as how Jesus walk His life while on flesh...

nasabi na din ni Sir Nelson na "no one can pluck them out of my hand" - once we become 'sheep of God', 'flock of sheep', 'son of God' or saved wala nang makaka-alis ng ganyang status between us and God... even ourselves cannot undone that..

"Excep a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God"... there are two kinds of birth - physical and spiritual birth

physical birth
- we were born physically by our mother once
-we were born in sin (as sin and death passed to all men after magkasala sina adam and eve)
- alive physically but dead spiritually
- will experience both physical and spiritual death

spiritual birth
- we are born in Spirit
- we are quickened meaning our dead spirit becomes alive
- alive physically and spiritually
- will only experience physical death

we can only experience one physical birth, walang taong isinilang ng kanyang nanay and then sometimes in his/her life muli siyang isisilang ng kanyang nanay...

same principle when it comes to our spiritual birth... we can only have one spritual birth in our lifetime or eternity. Now, if we have a losing salvation (anytime we can lose our salvation) then we need to be born again spiritually several times while doing his commandments.

To summarize it:
eternal assurance of salvation - single/one spiritual birth
losing salvation (any moment we lose our salvation if we cant follow the commandment) - several or repeated spiritual birth


let me share some verses that shows na when we are born of God... good works always follow

1 John 3:4-9
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


1 John 5:4
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Ephesian 2:10
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


there are 2 justification:
First: justification before eyes of God - fatih
Second: justification before eyes of men - good works

in terms of Salvation we only need the first justification
- in our first justification God only needs your faith (as i posted earlier - this is not just a simple faith, its an experience - a personal relationship between you and God)

in terms of living in this sinful world we need the second justification
- we need good works to justify before the eyes of men that we are really 'son of God'
- we need good works to show them that Christ manifest in ourselves
- this is true when James said... "faith without works is dead (before eyes of men) "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."... sinasabi mo na Christian ka pero wala kang pagmamalasakit sa iyong kapwa... James here speaking about Christian living... not how to become Christian...
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 11, 2015 at 02:48 AM

By the way, don't say "apple."  That's not biblical.
 
Basahin mo uli yung Genesis, walang nakalagay na "apple."   ;)

Thanks for correcting me. :D
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 11, 2015 at 02:53 AM
Bro Dpogs, mahaba habang usapan din yan born again, physical and spiritual birth. ;D
I have a friend who used to be a 7th day Adventist pastor. His explanation of born again is that upon dying, our spirit leaves our physical body and thus only then can see the kingdom of God because we are not in our physical state. But that's his interpretation.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: newbie pa rin on Mar 12, 2015 at 01:02 PM
John 3:3 (KJV)

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

a man be born again not again and again.

Question - Jesus disciples,we do not know them personally.
They have been born again, what's the proof that they have been born again?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 12, 2015 at 08:32 PM
John 3:3 (KJV)

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

a man be born again not again and again.

Question - Jesus disciples,we do not know them personally.
They have been born again, what's the proof that they have been born again?


Try ko lang sir sagutin ha.

2 Cor. 13

13 This will be my third visit to you. “Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.”[a] 2 I already gave you a warning when I was with you the second time. I now repeat it while absent: On my return I will not spare those who sinned earlier or any of the others, 3 since you are demanding proof that Christ is speaking through me. He is not weak in dealing with you, but is powerful among you. 4 For to be sure, he was crucified in weakness, yet he lives by God’s power. Likewise, we are weak in him, yet by God’s power we will live with him in our dealing with you.

5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test? 6 And I trust that you will discover that we have not failed the test. 7 Now we pray to God that you will not do anything wrong—not so that people will see that we have stood the test but so that you will do what is right even though we may seem to have failed.

Siguro, this is also applicable not only sa mga kausap ni Paul, sa mga apostles and sa atin if we question our salvation. Meron din sir verses wherein Jesus was talking to His disciples telling them that they will be with Jesus in heaven while Jesus was still alive. Hindi ko lang mahanap pa.  ;D

Edited: Nakita ko na.

Luke 22

24 A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. 25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves. 28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials. 29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Jesus was talking to the disciples after He predicted the betrayal of one of His apostles.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Mar 13, 2015 at 12:04 AM
John 3:3 (KJV)

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

a man be born again not again and again.

Question - Jesus disciples,we do not know them personally.
They have been born again, what's the proof that they have been born again?


PROOF: The Word of God and His promises is enough.


But if you're looking for physical proof... iyong nakikita ng mata natin... we can only tell it by their works and testimony...

i can say that Paul a born again based on his testimony and works...
same din masasabi ko sa mga natitirang apostles (except for Judas), kay Moses, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Adam and Eve, Abel (not Cain), Zacchaeus (tax collector), criminal na kasamang napako at marami pang iba.

eto ang sinasabi ni James na "I will show you my faith by my works"... if you proclaim that you're a son of God then show it... pakainin mo ang nagugutom... love your enemies... desire not things that of this world... etc...
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Mar 13, 2015 at 12:49 AM
Why are you doing good works?

1. "Because you're a son of God"
2. "Because you want to maintain your status being a son of God" or "Because you are in fear to loss your status of being a son of God"
3. "Because you want to be a son of God".

If you'r answer is 2 or 3 ... then my follow up question is how long...
How long will you keep on trying to do good works?
How long will you labour to attain that peace?
How long will you experience the feelings that despite of all things you did it seems not enough and you will try harder next time?

Jesus said "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sardaukar on Mar 16, 2015 at 08:05 AM
Question: Whether just faith or faith + works, faith refers to belief in God/Jesus, right? What happens to people of other faiths (according to the bible)? No salvation?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 16, 2015 at 08:13 PM
Question: Whether just faith or faith + works, faith refers to belief in God/Jesus, right? What happens to people of other faiths (according to the bible)? No salvation?

God has given salvation to everyone sir.

John 3

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

God gave His only Son to the world to die so that we may have eternal life. Hindi lang muslims, buddhists but to the wolrd including you, me and atheists.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sardaukar on Mar 16, 2015 at 09:47 PM
God has given salvation to everyone sir.

John 3

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

God gave His only Son to the world to die so that we may have eternal life. Hindi lang muslims, buddhists but to the wolrd including you, me and atheists.

So only those who believe in Him? If you may be saved even if you don't believe in Him, what exactly does "faith" mean?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: jeff29jeff2002 on Mar 16, 2015 at 11:10 PM
bookmarking
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Mar 17, 2015 at 12:50 AM
So only those who believe in Him? If you may be saved even if you don't believe in Him, what exactly does "faith" mean?

'believe' and 'faith' hindi lang po ganyan kasimple o kadaling sabihin na "I have faith in Jesus"...

nasasabi din sa Bible even the Devil "believe" in God at nanginginig pa ang Devil... James 2:19
nasasabi din sa Bible "hindi lahat na tumatawag sa Diyos ay maliligtas" Matthew 7:21

"faith" in the Bible speaks about "to experience the way of salvation"... it is not a simple declaration na "ako i have faith/believe in Jesus"... this "faith" ay ang naranasan ng kriminal na nasa cross sa tabi ni Jesus, same "faith" na naranasan ni Paul on the way to Damascus... the same "faith" na naranasan ni Zacchaeus when he met Jesus... same "faith" na naranasan ni Abharam even before the Law was established...

the 'faith' that acknowledge that all men are sinners and in need of saviour and believing (and do) the will of God - that is - the gospel of Jesus Christ

Jesus came to this world, sinless man, crucified and shed His blood and died as a sinless man and after 3 days rose from the dead to complete the Will of God - salvation through Jesus Christ.

This is the will of God - the Son of God must be crucified and to be a sinless sacrifice for the atonement of every person's sins. A man cannot be atoned by any other things (including good works) except by the blood of Jesus Christ.

This kind of "faith".
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sardaukar on Mar 17, 2015 at 06:44 AM
Okay, so does that mean people of other religions will not have salvation?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 17, 2015 at 09:25 AM
So only those who believe in Him? If you may be saved even if you don't believe in Him, what exactly does "faith" mean?

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Mar 17, 2015 at 11:03 AM
Okay, so does that mean people of other religions will not have salvation?

John 3:16 (KJV)
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

"world" - including all religions

Titus 2:11 (KJV)
"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,"

"appeared to all men" - including all religions
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sardaukar on Mar 20, 2015 at 05:55 AM
John 3:16 (KJV)
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

"world" - including all religions

Titus 2:11 (KJV)
"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,"

"appeared to all men" - including all religions

But what about the highlighted part? What about those who don't believe in Him?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM
But what about the highlighted part? What about those who don't believe in Him?

Then they should start believing.  ;)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sardaukar on Mar 20, 2015 at 01:45 PM
What about believing in a non-Christian God? Does that count?

God gave His only Son to the world to die so that we may have eternal life. Hindi lang muslims, buddhists but to the wolrd including you, me and atheists.

What about this part? So only if the atheist is no longer an atheist?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 22, 2015 at 01:02 PM
What about believing in a non-Christian God? Does that count?

What about this part? So only if the atheist is no longer an atheist?

Ganito yan sir. Salvation is God redeeming us from our sins because we are originally, His in the first place. It is a grace from God and is free. Para kang nanalo ng whatever prize sa tansan ng softdrinks. Though hindi mo pa na claim yun prize, it's yours already.

Now back to the question:

What about believing in a non-Christian God? Does that count?

What about this part? So only if the atheist is no longer an atheist?

Can an atheist claim something from God he believes doesn't exist? Can you claim the prize in the tansan if you don't believe the company that made the promotion or raffle prize does not exist?

Or would an atheist want salvation?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sardaukar on Mar 22, 2015 at 07:47 PM
Ganito yan sir. Salvation is God redeeming us from our sins because we are originally, His in the first place. It is a grace from God and is free. Para kang nanalo ng whatever prize sa tansan ng softdrinks. Though hindi mo pa na claim yun prize, it's yours already.

Can an atheist claim something from God he believes doesn't exist? Can you claim the prize in the tansan if you don't believe the company that made the promotion or raffle prize does not exist?

Or would an atheist want salvation?

True they would not. You mentioned atheists kasi as being part of salvation. Pero nakuha ko na yung point mo. That salvation is available to all of us. We just have to claim it.

How about Muslims and Jews and other religions? Will their worship of their God be equivalent to claiming salvation even if it's not the Christian God they worship?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 22, 2015 at 08:43 PM
True they would not. You mentioned atheists kasi as being part of salvation. Pero nakuha ko na yung point mo. That salvation is available to all of us. We just have to claim it.

How about Muslims and Jews and other religions? Will their worship of their God be equivalent to claiming salvation even if it's not the Christian God they worship?

I'm not quite familiar with how salvation works sa others. Kanino sir sila mag-claim ng salvation? Sa God nila?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sardaukar on Mar 22, 2015 at 09:06 PM
Ah okay. No problem. I was just wondering if (through your understanding of the bible) Christians will be the only ones in heaven or if good people regardless of who they (or absence of) worship, will also get to experience heaven. I was kind of hoping barrister would also share his opinion (if any) on the subject.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 22, 2015 at 09:17 PM
Ah okay. No problem. I was just wondering if (through your understanding of the bible) Christians will be the only ones in heaven or if good people regardless of who they (or absence of) worship, will also get to experience heaven. I was kind of hoping barrister would also share his opinion (if any) on the subject.

Thank you sir for those questions. I also have learned something from your questions. And those are very valid questions anybody would ask. I hope I have answered them properly for you.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sardaukar on Mar 22, 2015 at 09:51 PM
Yes, thank you for taking the time to reply. :)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM
Yes, thank you for taking the time to reply. :)

Ako naman magtatanong sir.  ;D What made you ask those questions? What made you interested in salvation?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Mar 23, 2015 at 12:32 AM
Ah okay. No problem. I was just wondering if (through your understanding of the bible) Christians will be the only ones in heaven or if good people regardless of who they (or absence of) worship, will also get to experience heaven. I was kind of hoping barrister would also share his opinion (if any) on the subject.

Acts 11:26 "...And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

The word "Christian" was first introduce in Antioch at ang surprise pa doon hindi mismo galing sa mga disciples o apostles ang salitang ito, even Jesus never called His disciples and followers a 'Christian'. throughout the Bible, kadalasang salita na mababasa natin ay brethren, saints, 'the called', disciples, apostles, believers, 'the faithful', 'the elect' others.

Matthew 7:21 (KJV) "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;..."

And it doesnt mean na kapag tinawag kong "Christian" ang isang tao ay sigurado na ako na kasama siya sa heaven. Or if ang isang tao ay tumatawag sa isang Diyos (or any form of it) ay pupunta na sa langit.

Titus 3:5-7 (KJV) "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life."

Being 'good' people even if they are Christians (or regardless of who they worship) are not a guarantee for us to belong in heaven. sabi nga sa Bible "not of works of righteousness that 'we have done'

TItus 3:8 (KJV) "This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men."

But that doesnt mean that the 'believer' or the 'son of God' knowing that 'good works' are not necessary for salvation will now have a license to do 'evil/sinful works'... they need to maintain to do good works NOT TO MAINTAIN HIS/HER SALVATION... but because "these things are good and profitable unto men."
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sardaukar on Mar 24, 2015 at 11:26 AM
Ako naman magtatanong sir.  ;D What made you ask those questions? What made you interested in salvation?

I'm curious lang about individual beliefs and about how a lot of religions seem to believe that they are the only way to God/heaven. Because if that's the case then either only one of them is right or they're all wrong. If it's true that there is only one specific God/religion/denomination that will bring you salvation, ang lungkot naman ng langit na yon because far more people will not get in than will--and it seems, even good people who only made the "mistake" of being born in the wrong religion will not be eligible.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: JT on Mar 24, 2015 at 12:53 PM
I'm curious lang about individual beliefs and about how a lot of religions seem to believe that they are the only way to God/heaven. Because if that's the case then either only one of them is right or they're all wrong. If it's true that there is only one specific God/religion/denomination that will bring you salvation, ang lungkot naman ng langit na yon because far more people will not get in than will--and it seems, even good people who only made the "mistake" of being born in the wrong religion will not be eligible.

Actually, all religions claim they know the way except for true bible-based Christians that says Jesus is the only way. The bible didn't say only Christians or whatever religious denominations will be saved but salvation is for all those who will believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God who has redeemed us from sin and death.

It is impossible to have many truths yet only one God especially because these many truths contradicts each other.


Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Mar 24, 2015 at 03:03 PM
 
Brader dpogs, sa palagay ko magkakasundo tayo sa issue na ito:   ;)

 
Acts 11:26 "...And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

The word "Christian" was first introduce in Antioch at ang surprise pa doon hindi mismo galing sa mga disciples o apostles ang salitang ito, even Jesus never called His disciples and followers a 'Christian'. throughout the Bible, kadalasang salita na mababasa natin ay brethren, saints, 'the called', disciples, apostles, believers, 'the faithful', 'the elect' others.

Tama iyan.  The disciples were first called Christians at Antioch:

25 Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch. (Acts 11:25-26)

The disciples did not tell others to call them Christians.  It's just a name that stuck, a reference that was probably started by the pagan gentiles in Antioch, and its usage was continued with the disciples' consent and agreement.  It's not a derogatory name used by their enemies, since the derogatory name used by their enemies was the "Nazarene Sect" (Acts 24:5). 

It's a name given to them by God, as foretold in Isaiah 56: 5, "a name better than sons and daughters; ...an everlasting name  that will endure forever."

In Acts 11: 26, the word "called" was a translation from the original "chrēmatisai," defined in Strong's Number 5537 "chrématizó" as --- (a) act. of God: I warn; pass: I am warned by God (probably in response to an inquiry as to one's duty), (b) (I take a name from my public business, hence) I receive a name, am publicly called.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/11.htm (http://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/11.htm)
http://biblehub.com/greek/5537.htm (http://biblehub.com/greek/5537.htm)

As used in Acts 11:26, the word "called" is an official name or title received by divine revelation, by which they are publicly referred to.

Why in Antioch, when it was in Jerusalem where Christianity was started on the day of Pentecost?

Because the Christian converts on the day of Pentecost were Jews.  After Pentecost, the next converts were also Jews, although Samaritans (half-Jews) were also converted later.  The first Gentiles were converted several years later, starting with Cornelius.

After the conversion of Cornelius and his household, the gospel spread to Antioch, a city populated by Gentiles.

Therefore, the divinely-revealed name "Christian" was first used in a place where Gentiles were the vast majority. 
 
The idea is to distinguish Judaism, which was based on ethnicity (the nation of Israel), from Christianity which is open to all, regardless of blood line or ancestry.  It emphasizes that the commencement of Christianity is completed only when a great number of Gentiles receive the gospel.
 
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Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 24, 2015 at 11:23 PM
I'm curious lang about individual beliefs and about how a lot of religions seem to believe that they are the only way to God/heaven. Because if that's the case then either only one of them is right or they're all wrong. If it's true that there is only one specific God/religion/denomination that will bring you salvation, ang lungkot naman ng langit na yon because far more people will not get in than will--and it seems

You can study different religions sir. See if what is logical and magandang application ang tinuturo in our everyday living. Try to find out alin sir ang may God of true love. Saan ka sir makakakita na Diyos mismo ang gagawa pa ng paraan para you might have salvation by sending His only begotten Son to be human, shed blood for His enemies, forgive sins without hesitation? Jesus conquered the world not through force but through love.

Dito pa lang sir, may lungkot na din tayo. Malungkot because of the crimes na nangyayari sa paligid natin. Magkakapatid minsan nag-aaway. Broken families. Corruption. Sa heaven sir wala nang ganun. And if ever you might find a way for salvation, would you encourage and share it other people para hindi ka sir malungkot and makasama mo sila?  ;)

even good people who only made the "mistake" of being born in the wrong religion will not be eligible.

Matthew 24

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Mar 24, 2015 at 11:59 PM
I'm curious lang about individual beliefs and about how a lot of religions seem to believe that they are the only way to God/heaven. Because if that's the case then either only one of them is right or they're all wrong. If it's true that there is only one specific God/religion/denomination that will bring you salvation, ang lungkot naman ng langit na yon because far more people will not get in than will--and it seems, even good people who only made the "mistake" of being born in the wrong religion will not be eligible.

Tama po si Sir Nelson... you can study other religions... try to balance them... try to compare them to Jesus Christ... there is no other God who gave His only begotten Son to shed His blood for His enemies, forgives sin kahit gaano man yan kaliit o kalaking kasalanan, ibinigay ang sariling buhay for our salvation at hindi humihingi ng kapalit...

Jesus said I am the way... come to me and I will give you rest...


There is no perfect religion/church/congregation but there is one true and right religin/chruch/congregation na maari nating itrace back to Jesus.

in my own opinion you may consider the following points in choosing
1. way of salvation (kung may kapalit na gawa, pera, o pagpapakahirap ang way of salvation nila - beware)
2. do they promote free will
3. do they encourage their member to participate in the community
4. do they encourage their member to follow the government laws, rules and regulation
5. do they believe sa separation between church and state
6. do they consider the family, church and state as separate institution and have rules and responsibility para sa ikakabuti ng isang tao
7. do they honor and respect ladies
8. itinuturing ba nila na ang mga kababaihan to have equal righs and oppurtunity
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Mar 25, 2015 at 10:22 AM
I'm curious lang about individual beliefs and about how a lot of religions seem to believe that they are the only way to God/heaven. Because if that's the case then either only one of them is right or they're all wrong.
 
If only one is right, then that's the way it is.
 
If all are wrong, then you have no problem.
 
Nobody has to believe if he doesn't want to.  Wala namang pilitan yan, e.
 
 

If it's true that there is only one specific God/religion/denomination that will bring you salvation, ang lungkot naman ng langit na yon because far more people will not get in than will--

Even if "far more people" will not get in, that does not necessarily mean that only a few people will make it.
 
What if 99% don't make it.  Konti lang ba yung 1% na papasok?
 
It's estimated that the number of people who ever lived is about 107 billion (Population Reference Bureau).  1% of that is more than 1 billion.  Ewan ko na lang kung malungkot pa ang isang bilyong kaluluwa...  :D 
 
If a person believes in the Judeo-Christian God, then he also believes in the Judeo-Christian God's word as stated in the bible.  And according to the bible, how many will make it to heaven?
 
1.  First, the 144,000:
 
Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. (Rev. 14: 1-5)
 
Hindi na siguro malulungkot ang 144,000.
 
Pero baka sakaling malungkot pa rin ang 144,000, kaya dagdagan pa natin:
 
 
2.  Next, A Great Multitude that No One Could Count:
 
9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. ... 13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”
 
14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore,


“they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.  16 ‘Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst.  The sun will not beat down on them,’ nor any scorching heat.  17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’ (Rev. 7: 9; 13-17)

Sa sobrang dami, hindi na nga raw mabilang.
 
Hindi na malulungkot yung dami na yon ...  ;)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sardaukar on Mar 25, 2015 at 05:43 PM
Okay, so short answer, according to the bible, if you don't believe/follow Christ, you will not get into heaven? How about people who were never exposed to Christ or the bible like some tribal people of today or people who lived before Christ?
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: majoe on Mar 25, 2015 at 06:31 PM
Okay, so short answer, according to the bible, if you don't believe/follow Christ, you will not get into heaven? How about people who were never exposed to Christ or the bible like some tribal people of today or people who lived before Christ?

itanong na lang natin kay brod eli :)

http://angdatingdaan.org/topics/kaligtasan/patas-ba-ang-dios-kung-may-mga-tao-na-hindi-nakarinig-ng-aral-tungkol-sa-kaligtasan/




Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: barrister on Mar 25, 2015 at 11:29 PM
itanong na lang natin kay brod eli :)

http://angdatingdaan.org/topics/kaligtasan/patas-ba-ang-dios-kung-may-mga-tao-na-hindi-nakarinig-ng-aral-tungkol-sa-kaligtasan/ (http://angdatingdaan.org/topics/kaligtasan/patas-ba-ang-dios-kung-may-mga-tao-na-hindi-nakarinig-ng-aral-tungkol-sa-kaligtasan/)

Na-post ko na rin ang sitas na yan sir:
 
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. (Rom. 2:12-16)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: dpogs on Mar 26, 2015 at 02:23 AM
To add sa post ni sir barrister...

Romans 1:18-25 (KJV)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.


- everyone of us, we have an inborn knowledge that there is God much superior than us.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

- we really dont have excuse, the whole creation speaks that there is God mighty Creature...
 
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


- ever wonder why some tribes have idol gods made of woods in the form of animals
- ever wonder why there exist so many religions...
- man choose to worship their own body, their own philosopy, their own logic rather than accept that there exist God responsible for the whole creation...

- every person have equal oppurtunity to be saved... take note its not about what religion is right... its all about the Holy Spirit that works in everyone's heart...

Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: sardaukar on Mar 26, 2015 at 05:20 PM
Okay, thanks everyone for all your answers.
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Mar 27, 2015 at 11:05 AM
Okay, thanks everyone for all your answers.

Kape na ba ang kasunod?  ;)
Title: Re: The Holy Bible In Our Christian Life
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jan 19, 2017 at 10:47 AM
Kindly check out the video:

http://www.imsoblesseddaily.com/megachurch-pastor-disguises-homeless-man-attends-church-service-never-expected-happen/

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