Post by: deist on Nov 13, 2013 at 11:31 AM
Actual photos of my unit below:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2816/10830777264_14ba60765d_c.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7316/10830923813_595927bec9_c.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3828/10830927533_c80d90c4a0_c.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2806/10830604755_b2308786ea_c.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3779/11096101824_094eece8eb_c.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5494/11096071096_65b2dcc5e6_c.jpg)
Published numbers & graphs for the Alpair 10P gen 1:
T/S Anechoic: 2.2/30g spider final version: 10P Gen1
Revc= 6.200 Ohm
Fo= 42.398 Hz
Sd= 88.250 cm
Vas= 29.995 Ltr
Cms= 2.712m M/N
Mmd= 4.719 g
Mms= 5.196 g
BL= 4.741 TM
Qms= 2.425
Qes= 0.382
Qts= 0.330
Levc= 50.196u H
No= 0.579 %
SPLo= 89.645 dB
Xmax = 7mm (1 way) limited by Arrestor
Power = 30 watts Nom
(http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attachments/markaudio/349228d1368795560-alpair-10p-preview-alp10p-fr.jpg)
(http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attachments/markaudio/349229d1368795560-alpair-10p-preview-alp10p-imp1.jpg)
Post by: Gino on Nov 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM
Post by: deist on Nov 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM
these drivers can also be used in open baffle ;)
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 13, 2013 at 11:52 AM
does it come the Thiele and Small parameters?
there are box calculators on line that you can use...
Post by: deist on Nov 13, 2013 at 11:58 AM
It didn't come with Thiele/Small parameters but enclosure plans/designs are downloadable for free @ markaudio website.
this is how some guys at diyaudio do the burning in:
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/mp9_/Mobile%20Uploads/0718120929.jpg)
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 13, 2013 at 12:24 PM
Mark Fenlon, founder of MarkAudio is a friend. He sent me a couple pairs of chr-70 in an in-house designed box and another couple of pairs as "backup" because he knew I was a "fiddling" kind of guy.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/MarkAudio/IMG_8772.jpg~original) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jojod818/media/MarkAudio/IMG_8772.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/MarkAudio/IMG_8773.jpg~original) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jojod818/media/MarkAudio/IMG_8773.jpg.html)
I remember putting it through it's paces powered by a t-amp, a gainclone, and a 2A3 SET amp and a digital source. Clarity is plentiful, with the mids being natural and non-obtrusive, the highs are pretty much extended and not ear-piercing. The bass is not for the basshead of course, but for such a small speaker, it is there, though it may not be for everyone. Mark told me to experiment with the box to somewhat extend the lows, unfortunately I haven't gone into that yet.
The ones in the baffle box was passed on to an Aussie friend while the "backup" pairs are still with me in their original boxes waiting for a baffle experiment.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/MarkAudio/IMG_8781.jpg~original) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jojod818/media/MarkAudio/IMG_8781.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/MarkAudio/IMG_8782.jpg~original) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jojod818/media/MarkAudio/IMG_8782.jpg.html)
:)
Post by: Gino on Nov 13, 2013 at 12:41 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM
Post by: Gino on Nov 13, 2013 at 01:54 PM
Post by: psi on Nov 13, 2013 at 03:08 PM
Post by: frootloops on Nov 13, 2013 at 03:38 PM
Post by: deist on Nov 13, 2013 at 04:35 PM
Hi deist,
Mark Fenlon, founder of MarkAudio is a friend. He sent me a couple pairs of chr-70 in an in-house designed box and another couple of pairs as "backup" because he knew I was a "fiddling" kind of guy.
I remember putting it through it's paces powered by a t-amp, a gainclone, and a 2A3 SET amp and a digital source. Clarity is plentiful, with the mids being natural and non-obtrusive, the highs are pretty much extended and not ear-piercing. The bass is not for the basshead of course, but for such a small speaker, it is there, though it may not be for everyone. Mark told me to experiment with the box to somewhat extend the lows, unfortunately I haven't gone into that yet.
The ones in the baffle box was passed on to an Aussie friend while the "backup" pairs are still with me in their original boxes waiting for a baffle experiment.
:)
Sir jojo,
Thanks for sharing your experience with these drivers. Friend mo pala si Mark Fenlon, he seems like a nice guy. Gawan mo na ng enclosure yung chr70 mo sir esp now na gumagaling ka na sa woodworking ;)
Hi jojoD818, I like to be your friend.
+1 or better yet can i be your bestfriend?
I have to say, even without a proper enclosure right now these sound better than my Dentons in terms of details & midrange. Same source, same everything & just flipping through the speakers a/b button on my amp. but it's still too early for a conclusion, just an initial impression ;)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 13, 2013 at 05:26 PM
I'd like to have one of those someday. I just need to look for a good box maker...maybe Master Jojo can do one for me since he is in to woodworking these days. Basta wag lang foam ang laman ha. :)
Matagal pa naman siguro yan brader, but if not, andiyan naman si brader timber mas sigurado pa hahaha... pero I promise, acoustic wool at hindi foam. Using high density foam is a definite no-no. :)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 13, 2013 at 05:37 PM
Sir jojo,
Thanks for sharing your experience with these drivers. Friend mo pala si Mark Fenlon, he seems like a nice guy. Gawan mo na ng enclosure yung chr70 mo sir esp now na gumagaling ka na sa woodworking ;)
My pleasure sir. Ingat ka lang sir when using tubes, napakalambing. ;D Yes he is a nice guy, we often video chat in skype exchanging speaker ideas. He really knows his stuff and sees quality control himself. Naku I'm miles away pa sa wood working pero I hope to get there someday. Andiyan naman lagi si bader timber hehehe... :)
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+1 or better yet can i be your bestfriend?
hahaha we all should be best of friends... ;)
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I have to say, even without a proper enclosure right now these sound better than my Dentons in terms of details & midrange. Same source, same everything & just flipping through the speakers a/b button on my amp. but it's still too early for a conclusion, just an initial impression ;)
If I may add, I thought Mark was joking about those cartons/packaging but you can indeed use them for a sort of free air support. Literally redefining the meaning of the saying "out of the box". ;D
Please do keep us posted on your chosen enclosure sir. :)
Cheers
Post by: frootloops on Nov 13, 2013 at 06:56 PM
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JojoD818 - Matagal pa naman siguro yan brader, but if not, andiyan naman si brader timber mas sigurado pa hahaha... pero I promise, acoustic wool at hindi foam. Using high density foam is a definite no-no.
That's what I'm talking about..someone who really knows what to do.
Given it's age, I don't see foam on my JBL L36 '79 era vintage speakers, heck even my dad's Sansui monsters uses acoustic wool and not foam. ^-^
sir deist, hope we can hear this once ready. Keep us posted. ;)
Post by: Onkyo606 on Nov 13, 2013 at 07:01 PM
Matagal pa naman siguro yan brader, but if not, andiyan naman si brader timber mas sigurado pa hahaha... pero I promise, acoustic wool at hindi foam. Using high density foam is a definite no-no. :)
can carpet be used instead of foam?
Post by: frootloops on Nov 13, 2013 at 07:12 PM
Egg tray kaya? ^-^
Post by: Onkyo606 on Nov 13, 2013 at 07:31 PM
^ alam ko ang carpet sound absorber...baka walang lumabas na tunog. I have a friend who peppered his A/V room with carpet (wall to wall pa yata)..speakers are already shouting yet you cannot hear it's potential.
Egg tray kaya? ^-^
natandaan ko dati sir froots yung speaker ng tatay ko pinasok ko sa aparador na binalot ko ng egg tray, parang sya yung naging enclosure, ewan ko lang kung nakabuti yun, pwede na din kase libre lang hehehe.
kung libre ang carpet at egg tray pwede na sa akin pero kung may bayad at sobrang mahal pa, no no talaga.
Post by: deist on Nov 13, 2013 at 07:39 PM
Please do keep us posted on your chosen enclosure sir. :)
Cheers
Will do sir. I'll go with Pensil by Scott Lindgren. simple to build para hindi mahirapan fabricator hehe
That's what I'm talking about..someone who really knows what to do.
Given it's age, I don't see foam on my JBL L36 '79 era vintage speakers, heck even my dad's Sansui monsters uses acoustic wool and not foam. ^-^
sir deist, hope we can hear this once ready. Keep us posted. ;)
Sure sir, kaso taga-Laguna ako ;D
I will update this thread sa development ng project.
btw, the box designers over at diyaudio suggest cotton or wool felt (see sample pic below) to put behind the drivers then some polyfill fibers for damping spread throughout the inside of the enclosure & foam is a no-no talaga.
(http://www.zajcsillapitas.net/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/o/soft01.jpg)
Post by: frootloops on Nov 13, 2013 at 07:52 PM
sir onkyo, kahit na libre pa yang carpet at egg tray, hindi pa rin ako gagamit nyan kasi hindi dapat. Pag gumamit ka nyan niloloko mo lang sarili mo. ;D
sir deist, saan ka sir sa Laguna? Okay lang basta sulit ang biyahe, good music + The Original Buco Pie = Happiness. ;)
Post by: Onkyo606 on Nov 13, 2013 at 08:08 PM
^ yan ang tamang filler. Exact material I see in our vintage speakers. TFS sir.
sir onkyo, kahit na libre pa yang carpet at egg tray, hindi pa rin ako gagamit nyan kasi hindi dapat. Pag gumamit ka nyan niloloko mo lang sarili mo. ;D
sir deist, saan ka sir sa Laguna? Okay lang basta sulit ang biyahe, good music + The Original Buco Pie = Happiness. ;)
buti na lang pala di ko ito naipayo sa isang kabarkada na nag titipid din, kung nagkataon nanloko pa ako ng isang kaibigan,
salamat sir froots sa pag lilinaw.
Post by: frootloops on Nov 13, 2013 at 08:37 PM
Congrats again sir deist and keep us in the loop. O0
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 13, 2013 at 11:17 PM
Will do sir. I'll go with Pensil by Scott Lindgren. simple to build para hindi mahirapan fabricator hehe
Cool. The Pensil is one of my favorites, very simple to build and it works.
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Sure sir, kaso taga-Laguna ako ;D
I will update this thread sa development ng project.
btw, the box designers over at diyaudio suggest cotton or wool felt (see sample pic below) to put behind the drivers then some polyfill fibers for damping spread throughout the inside of the enclosure & foam is a no-no talaga.
Yep that's the one, or the white poly fiber fill.
Once upon a time, I was also into building speaker enclosures. As DIYers, I knew that the benefits of using poly fiber fill comes three fold. One is to eliminate standing waves, second is to dampen any acoustic bounce caused by parallel walls of the enclosure and third, to increase box volume. The third one however is some sort of a remedy, this means you did not do your homework, hence you need more fiber fill.
Eliminating standing waves and dampening is our main goal in using acoustic foam, hindi yan porma lang. :D
But the cool thing is you can always experiment, that's our unseen compensation as DIYers. ;)
As a tip, do not make the mistake of using glue or staple to install acoustic foam, just spread and line the whole thing inside of the box and just let it loosely fit in there. Fixing the darn thing negates the purpose of dampening. ;D
Good luck sir and may I be the first to welcome you...
(http://p10hifi.net/FAL/images/FullRanger-shield-FR125.gif)
Post by: deist on Nov 14, 2013 at 10:06 AM
Cool. The Pensil is one of my favorites, very simple to build and it works.
Yep that's the one, or the white poly fiber fill.
Once upon a time, I was also into building speaker enclosures. As DIYers, I knew that the benefits of using poly fiber fill comes three fold. One is to eliminate standing waves, second is to dampen any acoustic bounce caused by parallel walls of the enclosure and third, to increase box volume. The third one however is some sort of a remedy, this means you did not do your homework, hence you need more fiber fill.
Eliminating standing waves and dampening is our main goal in using acoustic foam, hindi yan porma lang. :D
But the cool thing is you can always experiment, that's our unseen compensation as DIYers. ;)
As a tip, do not make the mistake of using glue or staple to install acoustic foam, just spread and line the whole thing inside of the box and just let it loosely fit in there. Fixing the darn thing negates the purpose of dampening. ;D
Good luck sir and may I be the first to welcome you...
(http://p10hifi.net/FAL/images/FullRanger-shield-FR125.gif)
thanks sir. i'm hoping this is the start of many DIYs to come ^-^
Post by: deist on Nov 14, 2013 at 10:08 AM
Naku..don't thank me sir Onkyo, dito ko lang din natutunan yan. Pasalamat tayo sa mga honest members dito na willing to help and give the facts at hindi false or bloated informations.
Congrats again sir deist and keep us in the loop. O0
thanks sir! hoping i can post updates soon.
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 14, 2013 at 10:22 AM
How about the crossover, does MarkAudio sell a kit or DIY din?
Parang gusto ko rin gumawa for our dual DC powered T-amp.
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 14, 2013 at 10:29 AM
Hey Jo, how much did it cost to bring those drivers of yours to our motherland?
How about the crossover, does MarkAudio sell a kit or DIY din?
Parang gusto ko rin gumawa for our dual DC powered T-amp.
Mark paid for everything. I only had to pay the crocs at Pasay customs because the box got help up over at EMS.
Go go go, with a properly designed/sized boxes, full rangers are very listenable. That's why there are lots of followers of Fostex, Altec, Alinco, CSS, etc.
Post by: Gino on Nov 14, 2013 at 10:49 AM
What I like about this is predictability. I know exactly how much to save. Feeding the crocs is hit or miss. I also avoid express shipping which tend to land at Pasay EMS. Pasay EMS has Lolongs to feed.
http://triviasofsubstance.blogspot.com/2010/08/philippines-customs-tax-calculator.html
Post by: deist on Nov 14, 2013 at 11:04 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 14, 2013 at 11:27 AM
This calculator has been very accurate for me. I normally just plug in 10% in the Tariff rate field. Note that even shipping/insurance cost will be taxed.
What I like about this is predictability. I know exactly how much to save. Feeding the crocs is hit or miss. I also avoid express shipping which tend to land at Pasay EMS. Pasay EMS has Lolongs to feed.
http://triviasofsubstance.blogspot.com/2010/08/philippines-customs-tax-calculator.html
+1000, so many Lolongs there at EMS Pasay. ;D
To those looking for MarkAudio drivers, I got mine from a retailer in SG so if you have friends, relatives or if you're planning to go on a trip you can get a pair. the boxes can easily fit in a regular sized luggage ;)
Paging JoeyGS.... 8)
Post by: Gino on Nov 14, 2013 at 01:00 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 14, 2013 at 03:35 PM
Paging JoeyGS.... 8)
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 14, 2013 at 03:49 PM
http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-4-fullrange/markaudio-chr-70-brushed-metal-cone-4-full-range/ (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-4-fullrange/markaudio-chr-70-brushed-metal-cone-4-full-range/)
Post by: deist on Nov 14, 2013 at 03:52 PM
sir deist, saan ka sir sa Laguna? Okay lang basta sulit ang biyahe, good music + The Original Buco Pie = Happiness. ;)
Sir, sa sta.rosa ako near NuVali.
Post by: deist on Nov 14, 2013 at 03:54 PM
The price for a driver CHR-70 Brushed Aluminum Gen 3 is only $36 say Php1,620 per peice based on Madisound price in the US ..... of course excluding shipping, taxes and duties.
http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-4-fullrange/markaudio-chr-70-brushed-metal-cone-4-full-range/ (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-4-fullrange/markaudio-chr-70-brushed-metal-cone-4-full-range/)
that's 80sgd from the retailer in SG ;)
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 14, 2013 at 03:57 PM
Sir, sa sta.rosa ako near NuVali.
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 14, 2013 at 04:04 PM
If coming from the US - $36 x 4 pcs = $144 plus $75 balikbayan box (45 days delivery) = $ 219 say Php 9,855, Therefore, Php2,465 per piece, roughly
From singapore, S$80 = Php2,800 per piece
Not far ..... Sourcing from Singapore would be ok
that's 80sgd from the retailer in SG ;)
Post by: deist on Nov 14, 2013 at 04:19 PM
Hmmmm..... double the price?..... let's see.
If coming from the US - $36 x 4 pcs = $144 plus $75 balikbayan box (45 days delivery) = $ 219 say Php 9,855, Therefore, Php2,465 per piece, roughly
From singapore, S$80 = Php2,800 per piece
Not far ..... Sourcing from Singapore would be ok
oops, forgot to mention that 80sgd is for a pair of chr 70 ;)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 14, 2013 at 04:23 PM
Pair na! go go go na sir... ;D
Magkapitbahay lang pala kayo ni sir deist oh ;)
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Nov 14, 2013 at 04:29 PM
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 14, 2013 at 04:38 PM
Hmmmm..... double the price?..... let's see.
If coming from the US - $36 x 4 pcs = $144 plus $75 balikbayan box (45 days delivery) = $ 219 say Php 9,855, Therefore, Php2,465 per piece, roughly
From singapore, S$80 = Php2,800 per piece
Not far ..... Sourcing from Singapore would be ok
very reasonable naman pala ang cost ng speaker....:D even if coming from Singapore....
Post by: ricky on Nov 14, 2013 at 04:40 PM
Matagal pa naman siguro yan brader, but if not, andiyan naman si brader timber mas sigurado pa hahaha... pero I promise, acoustic wool at hindi foam. Using high density foam is a definite no-no. :)
May mga taong mahilig sa itlog, either paper egg tray or foam egg tray. Bast may egg kaya puro itlog kinalalAbasan.
Its because he is just copying from an original design, para maiba at hindi makasuhan eh ibinababa nya quality ng materials pero ang masakit ayaw umamin, may sumasali kasi.
Another good example is instead of using polyester board eh carpet ang ipinalit for the same price pa ha, mas maganda daw carpet kaysa fBric. Heck yes kung flooring pinaguusApAn.
Jojo might need a few blankets of that wool for a built in system. Mahirap mag tipid kawawa ang client. Just like sa fiberglass vs cellulose fiber.
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 14, 2013 at 04:45 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 14, 2013 at 04:56 PM
:-\
Jojo,
What's up? Wanna try full range?
Regards,
Jojo
(ang weird talaga pag Jojo din kausap ;D ;D ;D)
May mga taong mahilig sa itlog, either paper egg tray or foam egg tray. Bast may egg kaya puro itlog kinalalAbasan.
Its because he is just copying from an original design, para maiba at hindi makasuhan eh ibinababa nya quality ng materials pero ang masakit ayaw umamin, may sumasali kasi.
Another good example is instead of using polyester board eh carpet ang ipinalit for the same price pa ha, mas maganda daw carpet kaysa fBric. Heck yes kung flooring pinaguusApAn.
Jojo might need a few blankets of that wool for a built in system. Mahirap mag tipid kawawa ang client. Just like sa fiberglass vs cellulose fiber.
There's no substitute for breast milk. ;D
There's a reason for the use of specific materials, using other than the specified materials will also work but will just be useless. Sayang lang kung balewala din.
anybody tried rockwool? similar to fiberglass wool only more dense...
there's a specific coefficient of absorption that we want, rockwool should work but not optimal because of it's density. a dense damping material will take precious box volume, that's why a loose fiber or cotton wool is much preferred because it will dampen the box but it will not take much volume due to it's density.
Post by: ricky on Nov 14, 2013 at 04:58 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 14, 2013 at 05:03 PM
It would work but useless, priceless pare.
Kahit naman orthopedic foam pa ikabit natin tutunog naman kaso nga lang useless talaga...
Post by: ricky on Nov 14, 2013 at 05:06 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 14, 2013 at 06:13 PM
oops, forgot to mention that 80sgd is for a pair of chr 70 ;)
Post by: deist on Nov 14, 2013 at 06:21 PM
This is even better! Sige, will be waiting for the quote from Singapore.
Sir Joey, I got mine from Neo. below is the link to his contact info:
http://markaudio-singapore.com/Dealers
easy to deal with, he even hand delivered the drivers to our house in SG. HTH
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 14, 2013 at 10:07 PM
Post by: deist on Nov 15, 2013 at 09:04 AM
Singapore. Perfect again he he. Sis usually brings an empty suitcase for shopping here. It won't be empty when the time comes.
haha just like last time ;)
Am near Paseo de Sta. Rosa at may malapit na bilihan ng Original Buko pie diyan sa taas papuntang Tagaytay
Sir Joey, magkalapit lang pala tayo, pa-audition ng system mo when you're free....eto ba yung buko pie store sa gas station?
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 15, 2013 at 09:47 AM
On the buko pie, yes that's the location.
Sir Joey, magkalapit lang pala tayo, pa-audition ng system mo when you're free....eto ba yung buko pie store sa gas station?
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 16, 2013 at 08:05 PM
Can anyone calculate, compute or obtain the most probable charges when it reaches Philippine shores?
Post by: timber715 on Nov 16, 2013 at 08:18 PM
Neo gave a quote of : $120 (4 drivers) + $65 shipping = $185 ex-duties/taxesLagay... Another 100%. Haaaaay.
Can anyone calculate, compute or obtain the most probable charges when it reaches Philippine shores?
Post by: Gino on Nov 16, 2013 at 08:29 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 17, 2013 at 01:21 PM
If you're lucky, it could end up in Makati Post Office if you send it to your office address.
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM
So, total = US$185 (drivers & Shipping) + US$135 (duties and taxes) = US$320
Your comments please.......
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM
kung me kakilala ka sa Singapore, pa handcarry na lang...
pm nyo si Edwin, taga singapore yon,
pwede pa balikbayan sa Lucky Plaza, mas mura,
medyo matagal nga lang dahil by sea...4weeks...
Post by: deist on Nov 18, 2013 at 01:40 PM
Neo sent me a quote from FedEX for the duties/taxes at US$135.
So, total = US$185 (drivers & Shipping) + US$135 (duties and taxes) = US$320
Your comments please.......
halos doble pala aabutin, if you can explore the idea of looking for someone to hand carry mas better sana.
Post by: deist on Nov 18, 2013 at 01:42 PM
No problem. We normally can have the audition after office hours or weekend nights.
On the buko pie, yes that's the location.
Sir Joey, i will pm you so we can set audition. thanks! :D
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2013 at 01:55 PM
Neo sent me a quote from FedEX for the duties/taxes at US$135.
So, total = US$185 (drivers & Shipping) + US$135 (duties and taxes) = US$320
Your comments please.......
Fedex, like any other brand name couriers have maximum customs duties applied. Can they use other means sending those?
Post by: Gino on Nov 18, 2013 at 02:18 PM
Anyway it is what it is. When i bought my supertweeters i threw the word bargain and reasonable out the window. I never looked back.
Post by: joey on Nov 18, 2013 at 02:56 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 19, 2013 at 11:22 PM
haaay.... will be in SG next week... try ko nga mag diy...
brader are you getting the chr70 yourself?
Post by: joey on Nov 21, 2013 at 08:53 AM
brader are you getting the chr70 yourself?
yes brader... the question is makakalusot kaya sa airport yun?
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 21, 2013 at 09:48 AM
yes brader... the question is makakalusot kaya sa airport yun?
oo naman, personal stuff yan eh. sana pala sa iyo na sumabay si tukayo mo joeygs.
Post by: deist on Nov 21, 2013 at 09:51 AM
yes brader... the question is makakalusot kaya sa airport yun?
lusot yan sir, maliit lang ang chr-70 pwede nga kumasya sa medium sized backpack ;)
Post by: joey on Nov 21, 2013 at 10:10 AM
lusot yan sir, maliit lang ang chr-70 pwede nga kumasya sa medium sized backpack ;)
thats relieving... thanks deist... will go to kims place to see kung ano pa ibang drivers niya...
Post by: deist on Nov 21, 2013 at 10:16 AM
sir, you might want to check out the Alpair 7.3, maraming nagsasabi maganda overall sq compared to chr-70.
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 21, 2013 at 10:27 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 21, 2013 at 10:38 AM
yes brader... the question is makakalusot kaya sa airport yun?
Post by: deist on Nov 21, 2013 at 11:04 AM
I think as long as its in your personal baggage, that's would not be a problem cause it would be seen as personal effects. The last time I was there, I bought several iFi Audio gears (about 4 cigarette packs size) and a headphone in its box, and no questions was asked. Even got a tax rebate at the airport in singapore.
Correct, don't forget to drop by the kiosk at the airport for your GST refund ;)
Post by: joey on Nov 21, 2013 at 11:08 AM
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 21, 2013 at 12:12 PM
yes brader... the question is makakalusot kaya sa airport yun?
basta hindi mako construed as commercial quantity, lusot yan, kung isang pares lang no problem sa customs...
i have been a balikbayan OFW for years and never did i have any episode with costums.....
maganda kung ang kasabay mong flight ay yung mga galing middle east, hazzle free pag ganoon...
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 21, 2013 at 02:05 PM
noted mga sir... will see if i can bring more...
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 21, 2013 at 05:16 PM
^ si Neo ba yung Kim sir? kumpleto yata sya ng lineup, ang pangarap drivers ko sa MA is yung Alpair 10 MAOP kaya lang $500 :o
sir, you might want to check out the Alpair 7.3, maraming nagsasabi maganda overall sq compared to chr-70.
Mark was sending the Alpairs too but he said I better stick with the chr70 so I did. The key difference being the extensions of the highs but it was going nowhere useful to humans ears anyway so we decided to stick with the chr70 for the exercise.
Post by: Gino on Nov 21, 2013 at 08:06 PM
I can relate to the theory because when I added supertweeters my experience was about presence and immediacy rather than the obvious metallic enhancements.
Post by: deist on Nov 22, 2013 at 09:41 AM
Mark was sending the Alpairs too but he said I better stick with the chr70 so I did. The key difference being the extensions of the highs but it was going nowhere useful to humans ears anyway so we decided to stick with the chr70 for the exercise.
Sir Jojo, i was basing it from the feedback of MA users online. Some even say that the 7.3 is a real "audiophile" driver, for it's small size though it would require help from a sub. It's also one of the most recommended 4" driver (in diyaudio) enclosed in these boxes:
(http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/colin/CHERRYFH3.JPG)
Post by: joey on Nov 22, 2013 at 10:13 AM
Sir Jojo, i was basing it from the feedback of MA users online. Some even say that the 7.3 is a real "audiophile" driver, for it's small size though it would require help from a sub. It's also one of the most recommended 4" driver (in diyaudio) enclosed in these boxes:
(http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/colin/CHERRYFH3.JPG)
can you share the plan of this enclosure? i wanted to build one by my self... thanks
Post by: deist on Nov 22, 2013 at 10:29 AM
Pls take note that these enclosures would require some real estate, the base is 17" (for alpair 7 & chr-70) & are highly suggested to be placed a foot to 18" from the wall ;)
Post by: Gino on Nov 22, 2013 at 11:33 AM
Post by: deist on Nov 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM
yan din ang first choice ko sana for enclosure kaso it won't work sa paglalagyan ko, it will eat up a big chunk of the 20 sqm room. plus it is back firing.
Post by: joey on Nov 22, 2013 at 03:21 PM
^ygpm
Pls take note that these enclosures would require some real estate, the base is 17" (for alpair 7 & chr-70) & are highly suggested to be placed a foot to 18" from the wall ;)
got it thanks much...
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 22, 2013 at 03:30 PM
Ang theory sa ultra high frequency is you may not hear it but the brain perceives it. It aids you yo locate the sound source. It suggests that it enhances your imaging.
I can relate to the theory because when I added supertweeters my experience was about presence and immediacy rather than the obvious metallic enhancements.
That was actually the point of the whole study that we conducted. I'm not privy to post any numbers but the idea of doing the experiments was to evaluate the viability of the driver designs to extend well beyond ultrasonics since the application is intended more into full range drivers (may require subsonic reinforcement from a sub) and so the requirements for the driver design to go beyond human hearing was fundamental and finding if any driver re-design was needed.
I was so happy with the results because when it was all over, I told him that my actual application was to apply the chr70 as a super tweeter rather than a full range driver. MA's line of drivers are truly bang for the buck series for FR users.
Sir Jojo, i was basing it from the feedback of MA users online. Some even say that the 7.3 is a real "audiophile" driver, for it's small size though it would require help from a sub. It's also one of the most recommended 4" driver (in diyaudio) enclosed in these boxes:
Variety is always welcome and encouraged sir deist, especially on an economical point of view.
That is one helluva beauty!
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 22, 2013 at 04:10 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 22, 2013 at 10:11 PM
jojo, interesting, but did you actually made a frequency scan of the program material and confirmed that it contained ultrasonics? :D if so what was the amplitude in relation with the audible program material....
tony, of course it wasn't measured with music (don't know anyone who does that :D), a function generator and an rta were used...
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 23, 2013 at 07:08 AM
tony, of course it wasn't measured with music (don't know anyone who does that :D), a function generator and an rta were used...
mind sharing some data?
rta's can measure frequency and amplitude contents of music right?
i am interested to know if there are music that actually contains
ultrasonics or even infrasonics....
or could the recording process clipped those?
Post by: Gino on Nov 23, 2013 at 08:45 AM
The same palpable experience can be said for subsonics. We can only hear so much lows. But we can literally feel its effects on our chests. There are lows that perhaps our brains perceive but our ears cannot. It adds to immediacy as well. A stronger presence. A sense of something being there.
Post by: endrik35 on Nov 23, 2013 at 09:16 AM
Join Date: Nov 2009
Re: Alpair 7
Hi Endrik,
Guys, this was the email sent to me by Tony(Musik007) of DIY audio. Hope this will help you in purchasing your MA drivers :)
The Alpair 6M I will give to you at a special price of 68 USD a pair
I have new ready made cabinets for Alpair 6M. The cabinets were produced under the plan of dMar-Ken6.2 which is designed by Dave of Planet-10, Canada. The price of the A6M cabinet in Finnsh birch plywood is USD190/pair+shipping cost.
My contact number is 852-9746 2915. My workshop is in Tuen Mun, N.T.
Thanks,
Tony
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 23, 2013 at 10:28 AM
mind sharing some data?
rta's can measure frequency and amplitude contents of music right?
i am interested to know if there are music that actually contains
ultrasonics or even infrasonics....
or could the recording process clipped those?
I wish I could. :(
Yup they do, you can have frequency vs amplitude plotted across the test bandwidth.
Actually the term used in loosing the ends of the spectrum is not clipping but rather compression. The recording industry has been plagued by this problem even with vinyls and magnetic tapes, CDs on the other hand were considered breakthroughs in terms of bandwidth.
FYI, yes there are music program materials that contains Us and Is, if you're really that interested, please checkout CDs from Telarc.
Post by: deist on Nov 24, 2013 at 10:58 AM
Join Date: Nov 2009
Re: Alpair 7
Hi Endrik,
Guys, this was the email sent to me by Tony(Musik007) of DIY audio. Hope this will help you in purchasing your MA drivers :)
The Alpair 6M I will give to you at a special price of 68 USD a pair
I have new ready made cabinets for Alpair 6M. The cabinets were produced under the plan of dMar-Ken6.2 which is designed by Dave of Planet-10, Canada. The price of the A6M cabinet in Finnsh birch plywood is USD190/pair+shipping cost.
My contact number is 852-9746 2915. My workshop is in Tuen Mun, N.T.
Thanks,
Tony
Yep, Tony of Twin Audio in Hong Kong is also a very good option to source MA drivers. Sourcing it from SG was more economical choice for me.
Post by: deist on Nov 28, 2013 at 03:11 PM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3779/11096101824_094eece8eb_c.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5494/11096071096_65b2dcc5e6_c.jpg)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 28, 2013 at 07:03 PM
saan ka nagpagawa ng enclosure mo?
Post by: endrik35 on Nov 29, 2013 at 09:13 AM
while waiting for the enclosures to be finished, picture picture muna!
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3779/11096101824_094eece8eb_c.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5494/11096071096_65b2dcc5e6_c.jpg)
ang ganda! Kinuha ko na sana 6m nung nasa hk ako. Kaso worry ako sa bass output:)
Post by: deist on Nov 29, 2013 at 09:35 AM
sir ang ganda ng model mo... ;D
saan ka nagpagawa ng enclosure mo?
thanks sir! dahil nahirapan ako humanap ng malapit sa south na gagawa ng enclosure, pinagawa ko na lang sa karpintero na gumawa ng mga cabinets sa bahay namin. kapag hindi ko nagustuhan ang output nya charge it to experience ;D
Post by: deist on Nov 29, 2013 at 09:37 AM
ang ganda! Kinuha ko na sana 6m nung nasa hk ako. Kaso worry ako sa bass output:)
Alpair 6s & 7s based sa feedbacks kailangan talaga tulong ng subs, CHR-70 can go lower than the 2 mentioned.
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 29, 2013 at 10:53 AM
thanks sir! dahil nahirapan ako humanap ng malapit sa south na gagawa ng enclosure, pinagawa ko na lang sa karpintero na gumawa ng mga cabinets sa bahay namin. kapag hindi ko nagustuhan ang output nya charge it to experience ;D
basta sunod naman sa plano ok kakalabasan niyan sir... well, unless pat yun finish ipapagaya mo yun ang mahirap talaga... ang totoo niyan I'm so excited for you hehehe...
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 29, 2013 at 03:25 PM
We can also bring it in my place and test with subs and see what happens 8)
thanks sir! dahil nahirapan ako humanap ng malapit sa south na gagawa ng enclosure, pinagawa ko na lang sa karpintero na gumawa ng mga cabinets sa bahay namin. kapag hindi ko nagustuhan ang output nya charge it to experience ;D
Post by: joey on Nov 29, 2013 at 06:07 PM
Well this is it...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/892F3FB5-ED37-4D24-8B26-A554DD8E8EA7_zpszd6nszhz.jpg)
And this is what i want...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/141F4EC2-A519-4260-AE1B-0E3E314AD3E6_zpssvzw03zc.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/141F4EC2-A519-4260-AE1B-0E3E314AD3E6_zpssvzw03zc.jpg.html)
Post by: joey on Nov 30, 2013 at 08:21 AM
Sana puwede makisabay kung may pupunta sa Singapore ......
Thanks, tukayo.
Bought 4 pairs tukayo... If you guys want other model pls let me know. Im going home tomorrow.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/30b54890-79f4-4a9a-a545-1b94ceaa6265_zps6e4534a9.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/30b54890-79f4-4a9a-a545-1b94ceaa6265_zps6e4534a9.jpg.html)
Post by: timber715 on Dec 01, 2013 at 02:08 AM
Pa pm ng price brader....
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 01, 2013 at 02:52 AM
Pa-pm na lang price. Thanks.
Post by: timber715 on Dec 01, 2013 at 02:54 AM
Reserve 1 set please. Thanks.Hehehe....
Pa-pm na lang price. Thanks.
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 01, 2013 at 03:01 AM
Hehehe....
Post by: Gino on Dec 01, 2013 at 07:34 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 01, 2013 at 09:27 AM
Bought 4 pairs tukayo... If you guys want other model pls let me know. Im going home tomorrow.
Thanks for spreading the chance bro. ;)
Post by: deist on Dec 01, 2013 at 09:43 AM
When it gets done, can we have a listen? Am just around.......
We can also bring it in my place and test with subs and see what happens 8)
sure sir Joey. once matapos & matono I will let you know meanwhile I will send you PM so I can audition your system. TIA.
Wow ganda naman nyan sir deist...
Well this is it...
And this is what i want...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/141F4EC2-A519-4260-AE1B-0E3E314AD3E6_zpsl7t3xuqk.jpg)[/URL]
Office ni Neo yan? ayos, haven't got the chance to meet him pa. next time pagbalik ko SG.
Thanks for spreading the chance bro. ;)
+1. thanks sir Joey, dadami na MA users dito O0
Post by: joey on Dec 03, 2013 at 05:10 PM
sure sir Joey. once matapos & matono I will let you know meanwhile I will send you PM so I can audition your system. TIA.
Office ni Neo yan? ayos, haven't got the chance to meet him pa. next time pagbalik ko SG.
+1. thanks sir Joey, dadami na MA users dito O0
it was one of the shop in bilboard mall in front of sim lim tower. and that is a JBL PARAGON (D4400)
neo is just bout 35 years old. when i saw him i thought hes just the son of neo. hehehe... were the same age... ahem...
in a mean while ... im enjoying listening... diy box for MA...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/EF788460-F3F2-49ED-A6D5-31B91D9B6DB1_zps78vfx9ex.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/EF788460-F3F2-49ED-A6D5-31B91D9B6DB1_zps78vfx9ex.jpg.html)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps611ab237.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps611ab237.jpg.html)
Post by: timber715 on Dec 03, 2013 at 06:27 PM
Post by: joey on Dec 03, 2013 at 07:23 PM
Sir Jojo, i was basing it from the feedback of MA users online. Some even say that the 7.3 is a real "audiophile" driver, for it's small size though it would require help from a sub. It's also one of the most recommended 4" driver (in diyaudio) enclosed in these boxes:
(http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/colin/CHERRYFH3.JPG)
@timber
hehehe... literal na box yan...
eto ang box na gagawin ko. and the other one is the fonken design... i already have the birch fly...
hope i have time tom to start the build...
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 03, 2013 at 07:26 PM
sabi ko sa inyo may gamit yun box na lalagyan eh... ;)
Post by: joey on Dec 03, 2013 at 08:24 PM
galing! yan ang box... as in cardboard box... ;D
sabi ko sa inyo may gamit yun box na lalagyan eh... ;)
hehehe... indeed brader...
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 04, 2013 at 10:54 AM
Will you be implementing a 2.1 system or just 2.0?
it was one of the shop in bilboard mall in front of sim lim tower. and that is a JBL PARAGON (D4400)
neo is just bout 35 years old. when i saw him i thought hes just the son of neo. hehehe... were the same age... ahem...
in a mean while ... im enjoying listening... diy box for MA...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps611ab237.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps611ab237.jpg.html)
Post by: joey on Dec 04, 2013 at 11:38 AM
Nice work on the boxes tukayo. I think you need 100 hours of break-in ..... so easy on the volume.
Will you be implementing a 2.1 system or just 2.0?
thanks tukayo. just 2.0. for me the bass is enough considering na wala talaga siya sa decent box. galing sa mid...
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 04, 2013 at 11:39 AM
thanks tukayo. just 2.0. for me the bass is enough considering na wala talaga siya sa decent box. galing sa mid...
Post by: joey on Dec 04, 2013 at 11:45 AM
How's the highs?
descent high naman. im considering to add super tweeter... see what it sound like... testing testing ng ibang driver...
Post by: Gino on Dec 04, 2013 at 12:54 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 05, 2013 at 01:43 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 06, 2013 at 06:08 PM
descent high naman. im considering to add super tweeter... see what it sound like... testing testing ng ibang driver...
Post by: joey on Dec 06, 2013 at 06:18 PM
Thanks for the pair. Nice meeting you.
my pleasure sir... hope you like it the way i like it. will wait for your comment on this...
Post by: timber715 on Dec 11, 2013 at 01:47 AM
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/7621FD27-0381-47BB-A131-CEF5FA4178F3_zpsczlqfaiy.jpg)
Found them harsh for the first 10 minutes, gradually improved to very nice sounding speakers. Bukas will port them and hopefully get some more low frequencies.
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 11, 2013 at 04:54 AM
Remember that needs 100hours for full breakin amd reach its full potential, so easy lang sa volume
Post by: timber715 on Dec 11, 2013 at 05:16 AM
That was fast, Sonny. Ang galing!Not hitting them hard naman, low level volume lang. Really amazing speakers, if only its got enough spl to fill bigger rooms. Pero these things has its way of disappearing...
Remember that needs 100hours for full breakin amd reach its full potential, so easy lang sa volume
Post by: Chorus on Dec 11, 2013 at 07:16 AM
Thanks :)
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM
and quoting joey's previous post - "it was one of the shop in bilboard mall in front of sim lim tower. and that is a JBL PARAGON (D4400)"
Saang store sa Singapore meron MarkAudio?
Thanks :)
Post by: Chorus on Dec 11, 2013 at 02:01 PM
You can contact Neo from the following link ...... http://markaudio-singapore.com/Dealers (http://markaudio-singapore.com/Dealers)
and quoting joey's previous post - "it was one of the shop in bilboard mall in front of sim lim tower. and that is a JBL PARAGON (D4400)"
Thanks well appreciated
Post by: remington on Dec 11, 2013 at 02:42 PM
Saang store sa Singapore meron MarkAudio?psssssst! sama ako sa binabalak mo ha!!! ;D ;D ;D
Thanks :)
Post by: Chorus on Dec 11, 2013 at 02:45 PM
Post by: remington on Dec 11, 2013 at 02:45 PM
hindi mo na kelangan magsalita ;Dayos ;D
Post by: ATJr. on Dec 11, 2013 at 07:29 PM
of course there is Adelphi center right accross Funan...
Post by: joey on Dec 11, 2013 at 09:47 PM
Joey, ganda nga sq nitong mga bulilit na to...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/7621FD27-0381-47BB-A131-CEF5FA4178F3_zpsczlqfaiy.jpg)
Found them harsh for the first 10 minutes, gradually improved to very nice sounding speakers. Bukas will port them and hopefully get some more low frequencies.
Wagas! very nice enclosure... hope mine will be finish tom... still cutting the plywood...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/B03229B3-57CD-464A-931E-17E4A72B3DBF_zpsz4bz06ph.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/B03229B3-57CD-464A-931E-17E4A72B3DBF_zpsz4bz06ph.jpg.html)
You can contact Neo from the following link ...... http://markaudio-singapore.com/Dealers (http://markaudio-singapore.com/Dealers)
and quoting joey's previous post - "it was one of the shop in bilboard mall in front of sim lim tower. and that is a JBL PARAGON (D44000)"
brader hindi sa burlington tower ang office ni neo. nasa Pasir Ris siya malapit. yung Jbl Paragon ang nasa burlington tower.
along Bugis st. going to sim lim square and sim lim towers maraming mga shops selling eletronics, burlington square is right beside sim lim square....
of course there is Adelphi center right accross Funan...
sorry braders... burlington pala at hindi bilboard... hehehe... tube heaven sa burlington... grabe!
Post by: timber715 on Dec 11, 2013 at 10:17 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 11, 2013 at 10:33 PM
Wagas! very nice enclosure... hope mine will be finish tom... still cutting the plywood...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/B03229B3-57CD-464A-931E-17E4A72B3DBF_zpsz4bz06ph.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/B03229B3-57CD-464A-931E-17E4A72B3DBF_zpsz4bz06ph.jpg.html)
nice cuts...
ano ginamit mo brader? TS o CS?
Post by: mbtorn on Dec 12, 2013 at 12:39 AM
Post by: timber715 on Dec 12, 2013 at 01:18 AM
Curious lang, how does Mark Audio Full Range compare to Audio Nirvana Full Range?Haven't heard the audio nirvanas, but these speakers have a timbre that is close to my harbeths... Very nice little things......
Post by: joey on Dec 12, 2013 at 07:31 AM
nice cuts...
ano ginamit mo brader? TS o CS?
Track saw cut yan brader... Me nag hihintay sayong dewalt dto... Hehehe >:D
Post by: deist on Dec 12, 2013 at 08:34 AM
Wagas! very nice enclosure... hope mine will be finish tom... still cutting the plywood...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/B03229B3-57CD-464A-931E-17E4A72B3DBF_zpsz4bz06ph.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/B03229B3-57CD-464A-931E-17E4A72B3DBF_zpsz4bz06ph.jpg.html)
wow! those are mini-onkens? ganda nyan for sure pag natapos. real wood veneer finish ba sir joey?
Joey, ganda nga sq nitong mga bulilit na to...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/7621FD27-0381-47BB-A131-CEF5FA4178F3_zpsczlqfaiy.jpg)
Found them harsh for the first 10 minutes, gradually improved to very nice sounding speakers. Bukas will port them and hopefully get some more low frequencies.
ang bilis nakagawa ng enclosures, iba talaga si sir timber.
Haven't heard the audio nirvanas, but these speakers have a timbre that is close to my harbeths... Very nice little things......
this is a big feedback sir,comparing MA to Harbeths, i'm beginning love DIY ;)
hindi lang ako nakapag-login the past week (been very busy with work projects) ang dami agad developments, iba talaga cab1net boys! O0
keep it coming mga sir.
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 12, 2013 at 02:10 PM
Track saw cut yan brader... Me nag hihintay sayong dewalt dto... Hehehe >:D
Yun oh! Ayus brader... simpleng kulam lang ah! ;D ;D ;D
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 12, 2013 at 03:24 PM
Go ka na sa track saw.....ako naghihintay ng good deal dun sa cordless drill.....
Yun oh! Ayus brader... simpleng kulam lang ah! ;D ;D ;D
Post by: timber715 on Dec 12, 2013 at 03:30 PM
Di ka pa ginagamitan ng walis tambo niyan >:DGanun ba? Call me............... Wag text ha?! Call!
Go ka na sa track saw.....ako naghihintay ng good deal dun sa cordless drill.....
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 12, 2013 at 08:32 PM
Di ka pa ginagamitan ng walis tambo niyan >:D
Go ka na sa track saw.....ako naghihintay ng good deal dun sa cordless drill.....
First things first lang... mahina ang kalaban hahaha! Nakita mo ba yun makeshift CS stop/saw rail ko? Yun yard stick ni misis! Muntik ko na nga mabali hahaha...
Wag na gumamit ng walis, nakita ko naman ang importance at useability, ang hinahanap ko na lang yun financing hahaha! ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 12, 2013 at 08:33 PM
Ganun ba? Call me............... Wag text ha?! Call!
Call now! And get ready to be swept. >:D
Post by: deist on Dec 17, 2013 at 03:42 PM
I inquired from known enclosure fabricators here in the forum but due to sked conflict & time constraint I just decided to ask my suking karpintero to build them for me. He doesn't have any experience fabricating speaker boxes so it took us more than a few back & forth discussions...ganun pala talaga kapag parehong first time ;D
So after some issues with plywood finishing, sizes of wood available around etc. I decided to go the engineered solid wood route. The finish is still rough, we just applied varnish and that's it. Ipaayos ko na lang finishing pag may time na. Below is the built pic:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2863/11414879166_4f8840a669_c.jpg)
These are Mark Audio Alpair 10P Gen 1 drivers on Pensil enclosures. How does it sound?...Well, I promised myself to be objective about giving my listening impressions & not let my excitement get in the way.
I've only been in the audio hobby for 2 years now, I don't have many gear as I like it simple & don't want to spend a fortune on this hobby, my priorities with family outweigh any hobby but I like to think I know a good sounding audio setup when I hear one.
My objective for this build is to produce a pair of speakers with very good to excellent midrange as I find myself listening to a lot of jazz, acoustic, neo-classical/classical music lately (ganun yata talaga ang tumatanda ;)) It is also the reason why I chose the paper cone drivers. I opted for the pensils because they are front firing & doesn't require much space from the wall, they will be put in a smallish 16sq/m room. Let me tell you these drivers doesn't disappoint and something tells me they will sound better after a couple of hundred hours.
I'm still listening at low to moderate levels per recommendation of the manufacturer and I can already tell that these are smooth sounding speakers with a lot of detail. I also noticed that there isn't much difference or no difference at all when listening on axis vs. off-axis(20-30degrees). Listening late at night when everything is quiet made me hear details in songs I never knew were there before. I've been listening to speakers with tweeters as far as I can remember but I'm not missing them on these pair. The low end is still inconclusive at this point since it is not recommended to listen to heavy bass sounding music until the burn in period is done but I can hear coherent low end on jazz materials. Piano, in my observation is what most speakers I've heard are having problems in terms of producing natural sound and in these speakers I'm hearing the most natural sounding piano timbre on my system.
So are these the best sounding speakers I've heard?
NO. go to a hi-fi show & you will hear better sound but the price difference is heaven & earth. And these speakers can give them a run for their money ;)
Are these the best sounding speakers I have owned?
YES, as mentioned I don't own many but these are the best sounding speakers I can afford or willing to spend on.
Would I recommend this to others?
YES, but it's not for everyone.
I am loving the DIY route, the first time I hooked them up was like the when the bulb started glowing up in my first science project when they made us light a bulb using batteries in parallel/series circuit ;D Now, on to my next DIY project...a tube amp, will probably get a kit for newbies like me and hopefully I won't blow our house to dust ;)
Another pic:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7405/11414873195_4660ac09b4_c.jpg)
Post by: Gino on Dec 17, 2013 at 03:51 PM
Take a look at Bowei 2a3C tube amps on ebay. Sun Audio Sv-2A3 clone. Schemes are also available online.
Post by: Tsnad on Dec 17, 2013 at 03:52 PM
Post by: deist on Dec 17, 2013 at 03:54 PM
Ang ganda. I like them.
Take a look at Bowei 2a3C tube amps on ebay. Sun Audio Sv-2A3 clone. Schemes are also available online.
Thanks Gino. At first I didn't like the rough & tough look but I gotta admit it's growing on me ;D
Will check those tube amps out, thanks for the recommendation.
Post by: deist on Dec 17, 2013 at 03:56 PM
ganda ng finish Sir ha.... >:D >:D what type of wood that you used? ^-^
Sir, those are Pateco engineered solid wood. sa home depot meron sila. thanks.
Post by: mbtorn on Dec 17, 2013 at 04:03 PM
Post by: Gino on Dec 17, 2013 at 04:27 PM
Post by: deist on Dec 18, 2013 at 08:51 AM
Congrats! Simple but elegant enclosure. Hope to get my hands on these remarkable full range speakers soon. :D
Thanks sir. I was skeptical at the beginning since they are raw drivers but after listening to them, it was a blissful experience ;)
I like rough and tough. It shows a man did the work. My av rack is rough and tough. A few tool marks here and there but it is charming. It fits the less than perfect room that I have.
+1 sir. I also want to support mga local skilled workers, si Mang Boyet (karpintero) text ng text sa akin kumusta daw tumunog, mas excited pa sa akin ;D he asked me kung kapareho daw ba ng tunong nung nasa home office ko (Wharfedale Denton) nung sinabi ko mas maganda pa, tuwang tuwa.
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 18, 2013 at 09:54 AM
Nice build. When do we take it for a spin?
Regards,
JoeyGS
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 18, 2013 at 10:16 AM
Post by: joey on Dec 18, 2013 at 10:53 PM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/2B161E42-7ECC-499E-AD5B-9EF75D49A486_zps2a76nrrd.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2B161E42-7ECC-499E-AD5B-9EF75D49A486_zps2a76nrrd.jpg.html)
to this
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/C17EC593-A656-44B4-867B-C84D9A743A0C_zps491hpk31.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/C17EC593-A656-44B4-867B-C84D9A743A0C_zps491hpk31.jpg.html)
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 18, 2013 at 11:12 PM
Post by: joey on Dec 18, 2013 at 11:31 PM
ganda ah! 8)
thanks brader. sobra sakit katawan ko. hirap pala gawin enclo na yan... but very fullfilling...
will make the Frugel-Horn Mk3 naman... will use 1' MDF.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/29257718-0EE2-4EBC-AFB1-CB9043639D48_zps9ut8jxog.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/29257718-0EE2-4EBC-AFB1-CB9043639D48_zps9ut8jxog.jpg.html)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/2FCB683F-A51E-4A7C-BCCF-B19D3602F172_zpsb09d4vgo.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2FCB683F-A51E-4A7C-BCCF-B19D3602F172_zpsb09d4vgo.jpg.html)
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 18, 2013 at 11:45 PM
Post by: joey on Dec 18, 2013 at 11:55 PM
ano amp ang gamit mo now brader?T amp lang brader. low volume lang for break in. but all i can say is WOW! Kaliit eh kagaling tumunog...
Post by: timber715 on Dec 19, 2013 at 12:03 AM
Post by: joey on Dec 19, 2013 at 12:11 AM
Sakto yung template brad?
sakto brad... sakto sa lihis. hehehe... lampas konti.
Post by: timber715 on Dec 19, 2013 at 05:01 AM
sakto brad... sakto sa lihis. hehehe... lampas konti.Hehehe, hindi ka nagtest ng template guides?
Post by: joey on Dec 19, 2013 at 06:53 AM
Hehehe, hindi ka nagtest ng template guides?
Nagtest, pero yung face lang. Yung cut out nya hindi. Will make another jig sa cut out.
Post by: remington on Dec 19, 2013 at 08:48 AM
from this...ang pogi naman!
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/2B161E42-7ECC-499E-AD5B-9EF75D49A486_zps2a76nrrd.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2B161E42-7ECC-499E-AD5B-9EF75D49A486_zps2a76nrrd.jpg.html)
to this
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/C17EC593-A656-44B4-867B-C84D9A743A0C_zps491hpk31.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/C17EC593-A656-44B4-867B-C84D9A743A0C_zps491hpk31.jpg.html)
Post by: deist on Dec 19, 2013 at 09:26 AM
Hi deist,
Nice build. When do we take it for a spin?
Regards,
JoeyGS
JoeyGS - let's give it a couple of days to burn in pa, bumubulong pa lang ngayon sir :D this weekend we can go for a listen.
Hi deist, congrats! That's really a nice looking enclosure. 8)
thanks Sir Jojo.
Post by: deist on Dec 19, 2013 at 09:26 AM
T amp lang brader. low volume lang for break in. but all i can say is WOW! Kaliit eh kagaling tumunog...
congrats sir Joey! looking forward to the FHM3 >:D
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 19, 2013 at 09:41 AM
T amp lang brader. low volume lang for break in. but all i can say is WOW! Kaliit eh kagaling tumunog...
Got it. Kilitiin mo lang muna pero paminsan-minsan pipitikin mo na din. ;)
Post by: deist on Dec 19, 2013 at 09:55 AM
Got it. Kilitiin mo lang muna pero paminsan-minsan pipitikin mo na din. ;)
ganito nangyayari sa akin e, low volume listening tapos kapag favorite track di napipigilan sarili unti-unting nilalakasan ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM
ganito nangyayari sa akin e, low volume listening tapos kapag favorite track di napipigilan sarili unti-unting nilalakasan ;D
very consistent naman ang suspension ng mga MA drivers sir deist, kaya ok lang kahit hindi masyado mapigilan hehehe...
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/C17EC593-A656-44B4-867B-C84D9A743A0C_zps491hpk31.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/C17EC593-A656-44B4-867B-C84D9A743A0C_zps491hpk31.jpg.html)
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM
T amp lang brader. low volume lang for break in. but all i can say is WOW! Kaliit eh kagaling tumunog...
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM
Sakto yung template brad?
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 19, 2013 at 12:51 PM
JoeyGS - let's give it a couple of days to burn in pa, bumubulong pa lang ngayon sir :D this weekend we can go for a listen.
Post by: joey on Dec 19, 2013 at 04:23 PM
ang pogi naman!thanks sir. yung gumawa lang pangit... hehehe...
congrats sir Joey! looking forward to the FHM3 >:D
thanks. iba talaga pag maganda box. maganda din tumunog. hope i can finish the FHM3 before 2014.
Got it. Kilitiin mo lang muna pero paminsan-minsan pipitikin mo na din. ;)
sarap makinig lalo kanina umaga mga 2am. nagugulat nga ako, me mga tunog na lumalabas na hindi ko naririnig sa ibang speaker. haaay...
Tukayo ang ganda!!! ...... lalong di ako mapakali!!!!!
thanks tukayo... prototype pa lang yan. will make the final build sa jan. nagkamali nga ako ng sukat. hirap habulin. 15mm ply lang dapat kaso 18mm ang ginamit ko. kaya have to redo the dimension. good thing me table saw.
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 20, 2013 at 12:33 AM
Brader Jojo ...... T-amp law daw o! 8) O0
Pang burn-in niya yan T-amp... niluluto pa yun Baby G niya eh... ;D
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 20, 2013 at 05:04 AM
Pang burn-in niya yan T-amp... niluluto pa yun Baby G niya eh... ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 20, 2013 at 08:07 AM
Yung T-amp natin ha......
Next year na yun.... ;D
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 02, 2014 at 11:13 AM
Post by: timber715 on Jan 02, 2014 at 11:34 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 03, 2014 at 04:40 PM
Busy si Joey gumagawa ng workbench brader.... Hehehehe
Post by: joey on Jan 04, 2014 at 10:57 AM
hold muna tuloy ang FHM3, till workbench is done.
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 10, 2014 at 01:21 PM
Next year na yun.... ;D
Post by: remington on Jan 17, 2014 at 12:47 PM
Post by: tony on Jan 17, 2014 at 05:45 PM
Post by: deist on Jan 17, 2014 at 06:48 PM
malapit ko na madinig ito....ilang tulog nalang ;D ;D ;D
congrats in advance sir! anong driver kinuha mo? :)
mark audio is coming up with a woofer design.....http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/249288-new-woofs-2014-a.html#post3780269
sir tony, this is what I like about Mark Fenlon, he takes time to get input from DIYers and from there base the improvements he makes to his new products ;)
Post by: remington on Jan 17, 2014 at 07:04 PM
chr 70 champagne sir, try ko small FR driver kung ano magiging outcome ng SQ sa present system ko :)
Post by: tony on Jan 17, 2014 at 07:09 PM
Post by: tony on Jan 17, 2014 at 07:10 PM
congrats in advance sir! anong driver kinuha mo? :)
chr 70 champagne sir, try ko small FS driver kung ano magiging outcome ng SQ sa present system ko :)
sige pag nabuo mo bagong speaker, papahiramin kia ng set amp na KT88...
Post by: deist on Jan 17, 2014 at 07:11 PM
chr 70 champagne sir, try ko small FS driver kung ano magiging outcome ng SQ sa present system ko :)
ayos, i'd say go for Frugal Horn enclosure design:
(http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/colin/CHERRYFH3.JPG)
go! go! go! remington ;)
Post by: remington on Jan 17, 2014 at 07:23 PM
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN5813_zps59585616.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN5813_zps59585616.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN5798_zpsde1b9f1e.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN5798_zpsde1b9f1e.jpg.html)
Post by: madyaw on Jan 18, 2014 at 08:00 PM
Post by: remington on Jan 19, 2014 at 07:33 AM
Post by: madyaw on Jan 19, 2014 at 05:09 PM
ok tnx
Post by: Chorus on Jan 19, 2014 at 05:11 PM
nope sir sa singapore meron.
ok tnx
text me 09491937027 kung gusto mo magpasabay ng CHR-70 Champagne color
Post by: madyaw on Jan 19, 2014 at 05:28 PM
ok i will text you
Post by: deist on Jan 19, 2014 at 07:06 PM
http://www.markaudio.com/Dealers
;)
Post by: remington on Jan 31, 2014 at 07:38 PM
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg.html)
Post by: Chorus on Jan 31, 2014 at 07:41 PM
:)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg.html)
bro ang lupit nito ah!!!
Post by: remington on Jan 31, 2014 at 07:54 PM
Post by: deist on Jan 31, 2014 at 08:27 PM
:)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg.html)
Ayos sir! dagdag pogi points for sure ;)
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 01, 2014 at 10:36 AM
:)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg.html)
ayus to! baka may sobra pa kayo sir.... ;D
tamangtama sa next project ko yan.
Post by: remington on Feb 01, 2014 at 12:16 PM
ayus to! baka may sobra pa kayo sir.... ;Dsakto lang pinagawa ko sa amin ni chorus sir 4pcs. lang e!
tamangtama sa next project ko yan.
Post by: kimmy_kimmy on Feb 01, 2014 at 12:17 PM
Post by: m0b1u5 on Feb 01, 2014 at 12:38 PM
sakto lang pinagawa ko sa amin ni chorus sir 4pcs. lang e!Bro jun, padinig ha.
Post by: remington on Feb 01, 2014 at 12:39 PM
breaking in na yung Markaudio? :)today ko palng makukuha sir dadayuhin ko mamaya sa navotas
Post by: remington on Feb 01, 2014 at 12:40 PM
Bro jun, padinig ha.sure bro! PM kita pag ok na sya pakinggan he he. Musta na?
Post by: xbase on Feb 01, 2014 at 12:43 PM
today ko palng makukuha sir dadayuhin ko mamaya sa navotas
Another great FR project...
Post by: kimmy_kimmy on Feb 01, 2014 at 12:50 PM
today ko palng makukuha sir dadayuhin ko mamaya sa navotas
congrats sir! sleepless nights nanaman :)
Post by: remington on Feb 01, 2014 at 01:19 PM
Another great FR project...Yes bro atat na nga ako makuha para maumpisahan na ang burn in he he!
congrats sir! sleepless nights nanaman :)oo nga sir mapupuyat nanaman!!!
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 01, 2014 at 02:16 PM
The box is still in it's semi-final finish to allow for tuning......
(http://imageshack.com/a/img841/9600/s9h5.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img546/5531/3v1h.jpg)
Post by: deist on Feb 01, 2014 at 02:31 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 01, 2014 at 05:34 PM
12 hours into the break-in and sound improvement is night and day! The single channel can already fill my music room.
^ayan na!pa-experience sir joey.
Post by: timber715 on Feb 01, 2014 at 06:34 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 01, 2014 at 06:50 PM
How is it overall so far brad?
Post by: obsi on Feb 01, 2014 at 06:59 PM
Post by: deist on Feb 01, 2014 at 07:37 PM
Definitely! Single channel? Or you'll wait for the other channel?
12 hours into the break-in and sound improvement is night and day! The single channel can already fill my music room.
pwede ba both sir ;D lalo pang gaganda tunog nyan after a hundred hours.
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 01, 2014 at 10:27 PM
pwede ba both sir ;D lalo pang gaganda tunog nyan after a hundred hours.
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 01, 2014 at 10:31 PM
NICE! Can't wait to hear this! Mono audio ba?
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 01, 2014 at 11:17 PM
Post by: remington on Feb 01, 2014 at 11:26 PM
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8341_zps09864e56.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8341_zps09864e56.jpg.html)
open air burning :)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8351_zpsb24cef8a.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8351_zpsb24cef8a.jpg.html)
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 02, 2014 at 12:53 AM
Matagal pa eh ....... I will just replace your drivers once mine arrives.
Kailan ba dating ng drivers mo? I can understand the "gigil" feeling so I am willing to lend you a pair if you like.
Post by: timber715 on Feb 02, 2014 at 03:21 AM
Yun o..... That would be great!Woohooo! Its always good to have good friends....
Matagal pa eh ....... I will just replace your drivers once mine arrives.
Post by: xbase on Feb 02, 2014 at 08:39 AM
now starting the long and boring process of burning... have to be patient para good outcome ;)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8341_zps09864e56.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8341_zps09864e56.jpg.html)
Wow naman, congrats! Long wait is over....
Post by: remington on Feb 02, 2014 at 08:50 AM
Wow naman, congrats! Long wait is over....yup...sa wakas nakarating din he he. ikakahon nalang... nakaka 10 hours na burning simula kagabi! matagal pa :'(
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 02, 2014 at 12:15 PM
Yun o..... That would be great!
Matagal pa eh ....... I will just replace your drivers once mine arrives.
Sure no problem.
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 02, 2014 at 12:16 PM
Woohooo! Its always good to have good friends....
Feedforward the Blessings brader...
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 02, 2014 at 12:39 PM
Thanks thanks!
Sure no problem.
Post by: kimmy_kimmy on Feb 02, 2014 at 12:52 PM
now starting the long and boring process of burning... have to be patient para good outcome ;)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8341_zps09864e56.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8341_zps09864e56.jpg.html)
open air burning :)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8351_zpsb24cef8a.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8351_zpsb24cef8a.jpg.html)
wow congrats, 90 hours na lang! :)
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 02, 2014 at 08:50 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 02, 2014 at 09:34 PM
Post by: remington on Feb 04, 2014 at 09:42 AM
Post by: deist on Feb 04, 2014 at 10:19 AM
30 hours past and nagpapakilala na ng true character si chr70 lumalabas na ang detail :)
nakakainip na nakakagigil ang burning in ;)
Post by: Tsnad on Feb 04, 2014 at 10:28 AM
30 hours past and nagpapakilala na ng true character si chr70 lumalabas na ang detail :)
nice, congrats sir... parinig po, ano po gamit nio na amp... ^-^
Post by: remington on Feb 04, 2014 at 10:39 AM
nakakainip na nakakagigil ang burning in ;)oo nga sir nakaka bitin kaya pag bitin ako sa sound bina bi-amp ko sya sa AN para tuloy tuloy pa din burning mahina lang ang sa mark audio para di ma pwersa he he :)
nice, congrats sir... parinig po, ano po gamit nio na amp... ^-^sure sir ... lepai as power amp and 6h8 tube pre amp pampa ganda ng detail gamit ko pang burn in sir para tipid sa kuryente he he pero sinubok ko na din sya sa el34 pp power amp and very promising talaga SQ nitong bulilit na speaker na ito ^-^
Post by: mykel18 on Feb 04, 2014 at 10:49 AM
Post by: redstarrising on Feb 04, 2014 at 10:53 AM
Pwedeng parinig din sir? :-[
Saan kaya rin pede makarinig nito?
Post by: remington on Feb 04, 2014 at 11:11 AM
Post by: tony on Feb 04, 2014 at 11:46 AM
pwede rin single KT88...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4201_zpse78815b6.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4201_zpse78815b6.jpg.html)
Post by: remington on Feb 04, 2014 at 12:05 PM
Post by: deist on Feb 04, 2014 at 12:17 PM
sa observation ko gusto ng MA drivers is low wattage amps esp se tube amp. maganda rin sa T-amp, gamit ko ngayon is smsl-sa36a (while waiting for the parts for diy tube amp build).
tried my MA Alpair 10p sa 40watter na SS integrated amp, mas maganda pa sq using smsl ;)
Post by: tony on Feb 04, 2014 at 12:52 PM
WOW ganda nyan master :o yan ba yung papahiram mo sakin ;D sigurado ganda ng SQ ng MA dyan...
yup ready to go na, sayang naman kung hindi nagagamit...:D
^^panalo yan sir Tony!
sa observation ko gusto ng MA drivers is low wattage amps esp se tube amp. maganda rin sa T-amp, gamit ko ngayon is smsl-sa36a (while waiting for the parts for diy tube amp build).
tried my MA Alpair 10p sa 40watter na SS integrated amp, mas maganda pa sq using smsl ;)
yup this is a 10 watter per channel, triode connected EL34's, here power is not the goal....
but mind you, this 10wpc amp pulls in 180 watts from meralco....
i tried using ss rectifiers hoping to lower the consumption, bu it actually rose to 200 watts...
Post by: xbase on Feb 04, 2014 at 12:59 PM
^palagay ko eto magandang i pang drive dyan sa markaudio mo...... >:D
pwede rin single KT88...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4201_zpse78815b6.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4201_zpse78815b6.jpg.html)
ganda sir tony... your craftsmanship is superb! best pair with MA/FR for sure...
Post by: remington on Feb 04, 2014 at 01:28 PM
yup ready to go na, sayang naman kung hindi nagagamit...:D
wow ayos puntahan ko dyan master pag maaga ako makawala one of this week days dalahin ko tuloy yung prototype na 6h8. Tawag muna ko bago punta...exited na ko!!!
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 04, 2014 at 02:15 PM
yup ready to go na, sayang naman kung hindi nagagamit...:D
yup this is a 10 watter per channel, triode connected EL34's, here power is not the goal....
but mind you, this 10wpc amp pulls in 180 watts from meralco....
i tried using ss rectifiers hoping to lower the consumption, bu it actually rose to 200 watts...
Post by: deist on Feb 04, 2014 at 02:26 PM
i tried using ss rectifiers hoping to lower the consumption, bu it actually rose to 200 watts...
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 04, 2014 at 02:26 PM
Though I am using a gainclone amp at 150w per channel, I set the volume at the lowest level so as not to stress the drivers. While maintaining the low volume setting I was able to hear the sound improvement as time went by. At around 40 hours you will hear the bass becoming fuller. Now all frequencies are starting to stabilize towards a balanced sound. Am just amazed on how this little drivers produce bass with the pensil enclosure.
Parang nagsisisi nga ako that I went to dual drivers, for the fear that I may not have sufficient SPL to fill my room. But just the same, with only 2 drivers being broken-in, at 70+hours, the room is already filled. And at the moment I can't change na cause the boxes are already made for dual drivers.
Post by: deist on Feb 04, 2014 at 02:32 PM
go Alpair 10.3/10P or 7.3 is the answer sir Joey ;)
Parang nagsisisi nga ako that I went to dual drivers, for the fear that I may not have sufficient SPL to fill my room. But just the same, with only 2 drivers being broken-in, at 70+hours, the room is already filled. And at the moment I can't change na cause the boxes are already made for dual drivers.
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 04, 2014 at 02:43 PM
I know that the Alpair 10.3/10P has better bas due to its size, but what I am after is the best quality for mids and highs.....
glad to hear you're happy with the sq...
go Alpair 10.3/10P or 7.3 is the answer sir Joey ;)
Post by: tony on Feb 04, 2014 at 02:59 PM
Tony, this is just right for the MA drivers and probably would provide ample headroom to make it sing beautifully.
it should, right now on my AIWA BS, bass is so well defined, not so loud but clear, and i am happy.....:D
Post by: tony on Feb 04, 2014 at 03:04 PM
Sir Tony, i'm also contemplating on the appropriate rectifier to use for my build & concerned about the heat produced by a rectifier tube, will using an ss rectifier lessen the heat significantly? what are the advantages of using tube rectifiers? TIA!
tube rectifiers add heat to an amp, but if that is a concern, we can replace it with SS rects...
this is a SS rect i made that can sub a 5U4 type tube rect...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4191a_zps66acff1f.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4191a_zps66acff1f.jpg.html)
Post by: deist on Feb 04, 2014 at 03:10 PM
Based on your readings ...... Is the Alpair 10.3/10P have comaprable mids and highs with the Alpair 7.3?
I know that the Alpair 10.3/10P has better bas due to its size, but what I am after is the best quality for mids and highs.....
from what i have read & from feedback of users; the 10.3 has a "livelier" highs mainly because of it's metal cone (the driver for those who love rock, big band etc) while the 10P has smoother, neutral & laid back sound overall (for those who love vocals, jazz, solo classical).
the 7.3 (metal cone) similar to 10.3 & is the go to drivers for those building a system with subs but do note that it has been out for a few years now while the 10.3 & 10P were released late last year. the 10P is slowly becoming the favorite in diyaudio.
Post by: deist on Feb 04, 2014 at 03:13 PM
tube rectifiers add heat to an amp, but if that is a concern, we can replace it with SS rects...
this is a SS rect i made that can sub a 5U4 type tube rect...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4191a_zps66acff1f.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4191a_zps66acff1f.jpg.html)
ok. maybe i will just utilize both in my build & just put a rectifier switch to get the best of both worlds.
thanks!
Post by: tony on Feb 04, 2014 at 03:14 PM
Post by: deist on Feb 04, 2014 at 03:15 PM
yes, in my case, i just pull out the tube rect and plug in the DIY ss rectifier, very easy....
sir Tony, ano yang ss rectifier sa pic?
Post by: tony on Feb 04, 2014 at 03:19 PM
sir Tony, ano yang ss rectifier sa pic?
yung mga basag na tubes, kinuha ko yung base, nilinis, and then nilagyan ng ss rectifiers para pwedeng pang-sub...meron nyan sa web....https://www.tubedepot.com/products/solid-state-rectifier
(https://d1sjrnpi226dnf.cloudfront.net/spree/products/large/SSR-2.jpg?1381945464)
Post by: deist on Feb 04, 2014 at 03:22 PM
yung mga basag na tubes, kinuha ko yung base, nilinis, and then nilagyan ng ss rectifiers para pwedeng pang-sub...meron nyan sa web....https://www.tubedepot.com/products/solid-state-rectifier
(https://d1sjrnpi226dnf.cloudfront.net/spree/products/large/SSR-2.jpg?1381945464)
ayos! so salpak lang to sa tube rect socket?
Post by: tony on Feb 04, 2014 at 04:39 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 04, 2014 at 06:34 PM
Post by: deist on Feb 04, 2014 at 10:33 PM
Post by: remington on Feb 06, 2014 at 09:03 AM
45 hours burning and these little drivers amazes me already! kala ko pang jazz and mellow music lang sya...nagkamali ako he he! Hooked it up with my el34 pp power amp and 6h8 pre amp tried different genres and it rocks...crisp ang clear on the highs and you have to hear for yourself the bass it can deliver he he!!! Ano pa kaya mga surprises nito pag naka 100 hours na!
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 06, 2014 at 10:17 AM
95 hours through the burn-in process .... frequencies are well balanced now, you can hear accurate bass from this little drivers, highs are smooth and extended, mids are articulate and wide. Overall gain increased which is a sign that the drivers are freely flexing. Sound is free flowing......
Hope to start with the next pair for the other channel.....
Post by: Gino on Feb 06, 2014 at 10:58 AM
Post by: tony on Feb 06, 2014 at 11:56 AM
(http://imageshack.com/a/img841/9600/s9h5.jpg)
95 hours through the burn-in process .... frequencies are well balanced now, you can hear accurate bass from this little drivers, highs are smooth and extended, mids are articulate and wide. Overall gain increased which is a sign that the drivers are freely flexing. Sound is free flowing......
Hope to start with the next pair for the other channel.....
hey, what are you driving those maggies with?
Post by: squatt3r on Feb 06, 2014 at 12:24 PM
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6082/6133095432_946b736517_b.jpg)
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 06, 2014 at 12:29 PM
Oh, didn't you take up JojoD's offer for the proxy pair until yours arrive?
Mine are chr70, Joey's are chr70(A).
The "A" suffix indicates a built in arrestor in the diaphragm to limit low frequency excursions which renders the driver's power handling higher.
Post by: Gino on Feb 06, 2014 at 12:35 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 06, 2014 at 12:49 PM
hey, what are you driving those maggies with?
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 06, 2014 at 12:51 PM
Will this be intended for computer monitors only?
pasali
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6082/6133095432_946b736517_b.jpg)
Post by: squatt3r on Feb 06, 2014 at 01:24 PM
those cabinets were purchased from Twin Audio (diyaudio forums)
Post by: tony on Feb 06, 2014 at 01:40 PM
JojoD 150watt/channel into 8ohms gainclones
ok....have you tried any tube power amps with those?
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 06, 2014 at 01:41 PM
With the mark audio speakers, not yet too....
ok....have you tried any tube power amps with those?
Post by: tony on Feb 06, 2014 at 01:46 PM
With the maggies, not yet.
With the mark audio speakers, not yet too....
ah, kaya ka pala nag-inquire about tubes....i am making a pp 6c33 tube amp with 2ohm taps, palagay ko bagay dyan sa maggies mo....:D
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 06, 2014 at 01:50 PM
ah, kaya ka pala nag-inquire about tubes....i am making a pp 6c33 tube amp with 2ohm taps, palagay ko bagay dyan sa maggies mo....:D
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 06, 2014 at 02:02 PM
I see. So it is a physical part an not like typical baffle steps that employ coils, caps, and resistors?
Yes it's like that.
Post by: tony on Feb 06, 2014 at 02:11 PM
How many amps will the PP6c33 tube amp give? If it will be able to drive it, then that would definitely be very nice.....
about 60wpc, at 2 ohms that is about 5.5 A rms....
Post by: Gino on Feb 06, 2014 at 03:41 PM
Post by: tony on Feb 06, 2014 at 05:24 PM
Post by: deist on Feb 07, 2014 at 10:07 AM
I see. So it is a physical part an not like typical baffle steps that employ coils, caps, and resistors?
Post by: deist on Feb 07, 2014 at 10:09 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 07, 2014 at 12:06 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 07, 2014 at 05:56 PM
Post by: deist on Feb 07, 2014 at 06:49 PM
Now 106 hours on the chr-70a and I feel like that there is 30-40hz bass. Rebecca Pegion's Spanish Harlem is so palpable, vocals are very clear and feels the room with bass! The glass diffuser of my pinlight rattles on the early passages (intro) of the song ....... excited to burn-in the second pair!
I see. may parating kasi akong items from SG next month din ;)
The drivers I ordered last year was delayed and will arrive end of March pa. I was forced to order another pair and is due to arrive today.
Post by: deist on Feb 09, 2014 at 10:27 AM
My Alpair 10Ps are fully burned in & has about 200+ hours on them so we can cranked up the volume the way kids love to listen to songs. Like most pop albums nowadays, Pure Heroine seems to have forgotten about the mid range frequencies, a lot of bass & highs + Lorde's not so pleasant voice. I can see the excursion of the 10P's cone & was surprised it handled the bass well.What made the album enjoyable to listen to (aside from the catchy tunes & beat) was Lorde's songwriting, she mostly sings about where she came from, the environment she grew up in and you can sense truthfulness in the lyrics.
I mostly listen to jazz, vocals, acoustic & classical nowadays, it was a good break from the norm & good bonding experience with my "nagbibinata" son. The 10Ps can handle most type of music but they shine best when listening to well recorded albums. They are revealing & exposes the "flaws" of the music material, some of the stuff you listen to before might not be that enjoyable with the 10Ps.
Post by: Gino on Feb 09, 2014 at 10:44 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 09, 2014 at 11:29 AM
I was in my home office early this morning checking emails, surfing the web & watching highlights on ESPN when my 11 yr old son decided to "chill" & hang out, he asked me if we could listen to an album that has become his "album of the month", it was Lorde's - Pure Heroine in .flac files. I have heard "Royals" & "Team" countless of times on FM radio but it was the first time I was able to listen to the entire album.
My Alpair 10Ps are fully burned in & has about 200+ hours on them so we can cranked up the volume the way kids love to listen to songs. Like most pop albums nowadays, Pure Heroine seems to have forgotten about the mid range frequencies, a lot of bass & highs + Lorde's not so pleasant voice. I can see the excursion of the 10P's cone & was surprised it handled the bass well.What made the album enjoyable to listen to (aside from the catchy tunes & beat) was Lorde's songwriting, she mostly sings about where she came from, the environment she grew up in and you can sense truthfulness in the lyrics.
I mostly listen to jazz, vocals, acoustic & classical nowadays, it was a good break from the norm & good bonding experience with my "nagbibinata" son. The 10Ps can handle most type of music but they shine best when listening to well recorded albums. They are revealing & exposes the "flaws" of the music material, some of the stuff you listen to before might not be that enjoyable with the 10Ps.
Post by: timber715 on Feb 09, 2014 at 11:37 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 09, 2014 at 11:38 AM
Dumating na ba Joey?
Post by: Gino on Feb 09, 2014 at 12:16 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 09, 2014 at 12:21 PM
Whoo hoo. Installed?
Post by: xbase on Feb 09, 2014 at 12:35 PM
In the process pa and for break-in pa din.....
Sir pwede pa pm kung sa sa SG nabili? Thanks...
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 09, 2014 at 05:29 PM
Sir pwede pa pm kung sa sa SG nabili? Thanks...
Post by: tony on Feb 09, 2014 at 06:51 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 09, 2014 at 07:02 PM
(http://imageshack.com/a/img560/7232/xnce.jpg)
Post by: Gino on Feb 09, 2014 at 07:18 PM
Post by: timber715 on Feb 09, 2014 at 07:24 PM
Post by: mykel18 on Feb 09, 2014 at 07:25 PM
Post by: xbase on Feb 09, 2014 at 08:18 PM
Sent you pm. And if you back read here you can find the address of the seller in singapore
Thank you sir!
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 09, 2014 at 08:27 PM
Brader, are those true diffusers at the back?
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 09, 2014 at 08:35 PM
Wow ang laki ng kwarto mo sir JoeyGS.
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 09, 2014 at 09:52 PM
Post by: gamersdotcom88 on Feb 09, 2014 at 10:07 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 09, 2014 at 10:27 PM
walang kaligaw-ligaw ang left and right diyan, isang champagne at isang set na silver.
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 09, 2014 at 10:46 PM
Mix and match naman yan in the end.....
I'm glad the drivers already arrived. Overnight burn in na yan...
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 10, 2014 at 12:52 AM
I'm glad the drivers already arrived. Overnight burn in na yan...
Post by: remington on Feb 13, 2014 at 11:44 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 13, 2014 at 03:25 PM
In the following link, Mark Fenlon explains the characteristics and performance of Mark Audio drivers:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/244420-operation-info-flattening-markaudio-driver-response.html (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/244420-operation-info-flattening-markaudio-driver-response.html)
Also, following is a link to the story of the chr70 gen.3 and it's a nice read:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/184372-chr-70-generation-3-coming-soon.html (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/184372-chr-70-generation-3-coming-soon.html)
Post by: remington on Feb 14, 2014 at 09:00 AM
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 14, 2014 at 01:39 PM
Masaya ang araw na 'to, bukas nasa akin na rin... MA : :)
Thanks bro Chorus.
Post by: remington on Feb 14, 2014 at 01:59 PM
Ganun din s U sir.ayos sir magugulat ka sa SQ nyan kailangan lang ng slow burning at proper placement ;)
Masaya ang araw na 'to, bukas nasa akin na rin... MA : :)
Thanks bro Chorus.
Post by: deist on Feb 14, 2014 at 06:52 PM
Passing of the torch...almost. Bonding is great.
Same, same sir...it's time to play some of those cool jazz albums for the missus ;)
MALIGAYANG ARAW NG MGA PUSOD SA LAHAT ;D ;D ;D
If your situation will permit sir, go for pensil enclosures (katulad kay JoeyGs), ganda ng imaging & soundstage with these simple to build boxes :)
ayos sir magugulat ka sa SQ nyan kailangan lang ng slow burning at proper placement ;)
Post by: remington on Feb 14, 2014 at 07:41 PM
Post by: snobol68 on Feb 15, 2014 at 12:12 AM
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 15, 2014 at 06:57 AM
kung sakali, makikisabay sana ako 1pair :)
wala pa bang nagpa-plano mag import nito.... maraming interesado eh.
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 15, 2014 at 09:42 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/1796739_745107805514186_448278627_o.jpg)
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 16, 2014 at 09:12 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 16, 2014 at 11:41 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 16, 2014 at 12:28 PM
Post by: timber715 on Feb 16, 2014 at 02:56 PM
nag off ka pa ba? dapat magdamagan na yan... 4 days lang 96 hours agad... ;DNag off naman yata sya brader.... Day off! Hehehehe
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 16, 2014 at 03:00 PM
Nag off naman yata sya brader.... Day off! Hehehehe
Nag day off na kasi di maiwanan ang gears brader... ang tagal ng finishing naiinip na ako hehehe...
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 16, 2014 at 04:20 PM
Post by: remington on Feb 16, 2014 at 10:35 PM
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8838_zps242dbb34.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8838_zps242dbb34.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8840_zps103b2f01.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8840_zps103b2f01.jpg.html)
Post by: xbase on Feb 17, 2014 at 12:22 AM
as per the suggestions of those who already heard my MA, no need to make another box as this already sound good! ;)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8838_zps242dbb34.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8838_zps242dbb34.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8840_zps103b2f01.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8840_zps103b2f01.jpg.html)
Ang bilis ah... hehehe...
Post by: remington on Feb 17, 2014 at 08:24 AM
Post by: kimmy_kimmy on Feb 17, 2014 at 10:39 AM
Post by: remington on Feb 17, 2014 at 11:53 AM
Post by: deist on Feb 17, 2014 at 01:00 PM
as per the suggestions of those who already heard my MA, no need for another box as this already sounds good! ;)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8838_zps242dbb34.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8838_zps242dbb34.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8840_zps103b2f01.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8840_zps103b2f01.jpg.html)
Post by: remington on Feb 17, 2014 at 01:28 PM
Post by: Gino on Feb 17, 2014 at 02:07 PM
Post by: remington on Feb 17, 2014 at 02:34 PM
Post by: RXV on Feb 17, 2014 at 10:26 PM
yes sir ito yung dating 3way, ok din naman ang naging outcome ng SQ naka tipid pa ko he he.
Grabe sir, kung ano ano na pinag-eexperimentahan mo. Daming pera hahahaha. Next time habol ako sa'yo hehe
Post by: remington on Feb 17, 2014 at 10:39 PM
Grabe sir, kung ano ano na pinag-eexperimentahan mo. Daming pera hahahaha. Next time habol ako sa'yo hehetipid nga bro kasi recycled yung box pero good outcome naman.
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 20, 2014 at 02:49 PM
8.45pm - burn in starts....
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/1796739_745107805514186_448278627_o.jpg)
100hrs of burning-in finished...
used Topping TP20-MK2 for burning-in period, vol @ 9 O'clock, after 100hrs dialed it to 12, medu bitin sa power, hooked it up to my old reliable NAD3225Pe vol @ 9 O'clock pa lang ayun busog na busog pati bass full, tight & fast.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1/1517483_747390935285873_336612916_n.jpg)
Post by: remington on Feb 20, 2014 at 02:53 PM
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 20, 2014 at 02:58 PM
bilisan lang ang pagkakagawa ng enclosures, saka na pagagandahin. nakapikit naman ako makinig...
Post by: deist on Feb 20, 2014 at 03:36 PM
congrats btw, have you tried it with the AMX tube amp? musta combination nila?thanks.
100hrs of burning-in finished...
used Topping TP20-MK2 for burning-in period, vol @ 9 O'clock, after 100hrs dialed it to 12, medu bitin sa power, hooked it up to my old reliable NAD3225Pe vol @ 9 O'clock pa lang ayun busog na busog pati bass full, tight & fast.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1/1517483_747390935285873_336612916_n.jpg)
Post by: tony on Feb 20, 2014 at 03:50 PM
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 20, 2014 at 04:06 PM
getting crowded na ang small listening room - wala ng mapaglagyan ;D. other reason, as a weight planning to have it later [the enclosures] filled with sand.
stable naman sir pero napaisip din ako kung bumagsak nga. thanks for pointing out sir especially baka may makasalisi na bata sa chamber ko :-[
may be another 50hrs before ko subukan sa AMX bka mabigla, 75w/ channel pa naman, minsan di ko kasi ma-kontrol ang pagpihit ng volume, especially pag favourite ang piece of music.
again, thank you sir for starting this "Thread", 4" pa lang satisfied na- i just can imagine its bigger siblings.
master tony,
parang gusto ko tuloy subukan na agad :).... kaso may susunduin pa ako. tonight na lang . thanks
Post by: tony on Feb 20, 2014 at 04:44 PM
Post by: ndotcom on Feb 20, 2014 at 05:26 PM
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 20, 2014 at 06:43 PM
yung 4 incher na modified Sony FR in a TL ni tukayo, kinaya yung PP EL34, dun kami hinanapan ng subwoofer nung isang visitor sa room....
hehehe...di makapaniwala ha. can't blame him, ako nga naging believer lang ng marinig ko.
Post by: deist on Feb 20, 2014 at 07:51 PM
BTW, JoeyGS is driving his CHR70 with 150wpc gainclone monoblock amps ;)
sir deist,
getting crowded na ang small listening room - wala ng mapaglagyan ;D. other reason, as a weight planning to have it later [the enclosures] filled with sand.
stable naman sir pero napaisip din ako kung bumagsak nga. thanks for pointing out sir especially baka may makasalisi na bata sa chamber ko :-[
may be another 50hrs before ko subukan sa AMX bka mabigla, 75w/ channel pa naman, minsan di ko kasi ma-kontrol ang pagpihit ng volume, especially pag favourite ang piece of music.
again, thank you sir for starting this "Thread", 4" pa lang satisfied na- i just can imagine its bigger siblings.
Post by: deist on Feb 20, 2014 at 07:55 PM
The release documentation for my Alpair 10p states:
"The Alpair 10P is “purist” technical driver. Its purpose is to serve the audiophile and experimental markets. Due to the highly emittance sensitive power-train, this driver will need users to take note of the need for high quality lower power amplification and audiophile level source. The Alpair 10P should not be considered as a “general purpose” emitter.MarkAudio drivers are best paired high quality lower power amplification"
Based on my readings, most users recommend 6-20wpc class a SE amps ;)
Can a 2A3 SET drive the chr70? What are you driving them with?
Post by: tony on Feb 20, 2014 at 08:07 PM
Welcome sir. I just wanted to share with the community the excellent drivers of MarkAudio, i'm a big fan of bang for the buck products & MA's surely fits the bill ;)
BTW, JoeyGS is driving his CHR70 with 150wpc gainclone monoblock amps ;)
a lot depends din kasi sa power supply ng amps, it is the power supply that makes the difference imho.
the amp gets power from the psu, and if power is available from the psu, the camp can convert that
to ac to drive your speakers, so wattage is not so material, it is the marriage between amps and speakers that matters...
i myself was surprised to find a mere 3 watter 2A3 can play loud in my speakers....that is why i always say, i stopped counting the watts, and started listening to music....:D
Post by: remington on Feb 20, 2014 at 09:13 PM
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 20, 2014 at 09:19 PM
listening to the best of the doors on flac to my chr70 driven by an el34 power amp and a 6h8 pre amp @ 12 o'clock volume....whew....foot stomping ;D.break on through....
me, roy orbison muna...mystery girl CD.
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 20, 2014 at 09:37 PM
it's easy powering the MAs, low to high power amps can of course be used. tube amps are very good with clipping, they're like compressors so even a spud amp can survive the MAs. though nowadays, builders tend to go over the top with they're power supplies and loose this valuable characteristic. can't blame them though, they think they're building solid state amps. I build my amps accordingly for both states have different requirements.
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 21, 2014 at 10:21 AM
I am using this for the breakin and have set the volume to the lowest since the intended amp for this is awaiting delivery.
I have finished the 100+ hours break-in period and will fire-up the stereo set-up hopefully tonight!....stay tuned!
Welcome sir. I just wanted to share with the community the excellent drivers of MarkAudio, i'm a big fan of bang for the buck products & MA's surely fits the bill ;)
BTW, JoeyGS is driving his CHR70 with 150wpc gainclone monoblock amps ;)
Post by: tony on Feb 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM
but of course if you are happy with the current setting, then stick with it...
a speaker seldom show signs of impending damage...
when the speaker distort, 99% of the time it is because the amplifier has run out of steam,
you will be amazed at how easy for an SS amp to lose steam....
tubes otoh soft clips so that it is not as irritating to the ears....
Post by: remington on Feb 21, 2014 at 08:46 PM
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8858_zpsf47533bb.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8858_zpsf47533bb.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8866_zps8a8c0c71.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8866_zps8a8c0c71.jpg.html)
Post by: kimmy_kimmy on Feb 21, 2014 at 09:19 PM
pwede ba maki pakinig dyan? :)
Post by: remington on Feb 21, 2014 at 09:43 PM
sir, dami toys ha. parang showroom, congrats.pwedeng pwede sir... malapit lang ako hehe
pwede ba maki pakinig dyan? :)
Post by: deist on Feb 22, 2014 at 10:17 AM
Post by: remington on Feb 22, 2014 at 10:28 AM
daming koleksyon ni remington! kapag naligaw ako Marikina sir, padinig ako nyan :)sure sir anytime! yung 6v6 integrated tube amp on loan lang from master tonyT para ma test sa FR speakers.
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 23, 2014 at 01:16 AM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7317/12687848125_d6a48d5292.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12687848125/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12687848125/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3686/12687995143_e25fe0eb48.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12687995143/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12687995143/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5506/12687872515_07b14e6d0d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12687872515/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12687872515/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
After doing proper room placement, initial listening tests conclude the need for internal stuffing. Most glaring result show that the base is loose and lacks definition due to the absence of internal stuffing.
The test proceeded without the need of the subwoofers.
Post by: timber715 on Feb 23, 2014 at 01:21 AM
Seriously, seems that other than the bass concern the room is properly filled?
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 23, 2014 at 01:32 AM
Brader, lipat mo yung champagne sa baba, parang may sore eyes eh... Hehehehe.
Seriously, seems that other than the bass concern the room is properly filled?
Post by: timber715 on Feb 23, 2014 at 01:34 AM
Sobrang sobra........ Looks like di kailangan ng dual driver to fill the room.Teka, eh ano ba ginagawa mo ngayon? Punuin mo na ng stuffing yan....
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 23, 2014 at 01:42 AM
Came across full range speakers from Pearl Acoustics and was inspired by its specifications and claims to play any genre.... http://pearlacoustics.com/the-sibelius.php (http://pearlacoustics.com/the-sibelius.php)
Teka, eh ano ba ginagawa mo ngayon? Punuin mo na ng stuffing yan....
Post by: fishda on Feb 23, 2014 at 01:57 AM
Post by: timber715 on Feb 23, 2014 at 02:04 AM
Yes in the process na but stuffing needs to be lined on the walls and not to fill the entire volume.Seems like ma nga gamit na drivers ah, made of oak ba kamo? That I can do!
Came across full range speakers from Pearl Acoustics and was inspired by its specifications and claims to play any genre.... http://pearlacoustics.com/the-sibelius.php (http://pearlacoustics.com/the-sibelius.php)
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 23, 2014 at 05:12 AM
Seems like ma nga gamit na drivers ah, made of oak ba kamo? That I can do!
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 23, 2014 at 05:13 AM
ganda ng setup nyo sir joeygs.ano po tawag dun sa nasa ilalim ng tv?pang sound proofing po ba un?
Post by: deist on Feb 23, 2014 at 09:44 AM
On stuffing, the more you put inside the enclosure the less bass you will get but brilliant highs are pronounced, while less stuffing means more bass but tamed highs. Experiment to suit once taste ;) I think I have adjusted the stuffing in my pensils 7 times from day 1
Yes in the process na but stuffing needs to be lined on the walls and not to fill the entire volume.
Came across full range speakers from Pearl Acoustics and was inspired by its specifications and claims to play any genre.... http://pearlacoustics.com/the-sibelius.php (http://pearlacoustics.com/the-sibelius.php)
Post by: Gino on Feb 23, 2014 at 11:07 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 23, 2014 at 01:48 PM
Sir Joey, the sibelius are sure damn pretty speakers made of french oak & they use MA drivers but they are not pensils, notice how high the drivers are to the top? they are quarter wave v horns which requires acoustic stuff lining on the "V" (like the frugel horns) while the pensils are an MLTL derivative & will benefit more from stuffing. I have asked Scott Lindgren (pensil enclosure designer) the same question, he doesn't recommend lining the walls but I still did it but just at the back of the driver to diffuse air when bouncing back. YMMV.
On stuffing, the more you put inside the enclosure the less bass you will get but brilliant highs are pronounced, while less stuffing means more bass but tamed highs. Experiment to suit once taste ;) I think I have adjusted the stuffing in my pensils 7 times from day 1
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 23, 2014 at 08:49 PM
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(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7342/12716576423_9b6d5a2925.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12716576423/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12716576423/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7391/12716517425_38e09e3464.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12716517425/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12716517425/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
Post by: timber715 on Feb 23, 2014 at 11:46 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 24, 2014 at 09:13 AM
And??!.............. How does it sound?
Mark Audio update..... Tuned to lovely mids and sweet highs and tight bass. Only one driver was powered and the other is passive. Can extend bass by removing stuffing but mids and highs will suffer. Put in a sub and let's party.....
BTW, one driver is passive per channel in initial test. Powered both drivers per channel, can dispense with the sub......
Post by: Gino on Feb 24, 2014 at 09:51 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM
From the reviews, its true that you can play with any genre you like......
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 24, 2014 at 10:20 AM
Post by: Gino on Feb 24, 2014 at 10:31 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM
Looks and sounds like a successful project to me... congrats and hope to hear it in the future...
Post by: deist on Feb 24, 2014 at 07:24 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gMedYWAURug/TozKfBRcgOI/AAAAAAAAAWc/vWp4w5QlWR4/s1600/Frugel-Damping.jpg)
the blue/grey wool felt is the "lining", permanently attached to the enclosure walls while the white polyfill is the "stuffing", amorphous mass spread throghout. I don't know who came up with the terms but that is what I regularly see diyers use, it sure is confusing but like what we have discussed; experimentation is the key & that is where the enjoyment is in doing it yourself ;D
But his drawings indicates provision of stuffing
Guys, this comment alone is a solid testimony to MA drivers' capability. Congrats again sir Joey. time to relax & enjoy the music 8)
I can say that this will go side by side with my Magnepan SMG-c. The mids and highs is not far from the Magnepans SMG-c. The Mark Audio / Pensil combo has more low frequency range than the Magnepans SMG-c. This speaker will be a keeper. (baka time to dispose na my other speakers.....)
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 28, 2014 at 12:45 PM
My my ...... it's still improving ..... gain increased as drive-ability is more at ease, level of detail increased, more dynamics and bass!
Bass seemed to be between 30-40hz ..... subs are off now. Cymbals and drums are more organic and raw in sound. I can feel the SPL and dynamics of bass frequencies for such small drivers.......
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7317/12821746764_7d3665cabb_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821746764/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821746764/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7357/12821554753_9981e788cc_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821554753/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821554753/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
Post by: Gino on Feb 28, 2014 at 02:09 PM
Post by: Cjtjader on Mar 01, 2014 at 12:08 PM
Post by: timber715 on Mar 01, 2014 at 11:09 PM
Nice nice nice!....congratz Joey! Congratz as well to Timber! From the looks, well built and properly executed...Aba brader, kamusta ka na? Kelan ka papasyal dito?
Post by: fredreadrick on Mar 03, 2014 at 01:43 PM
Have been running my Pensil R70.3 box with dual Mark Audio CHR70.3 drivers and now at 150++ hours.
My my ...... it's still improving ..... gain increased as drive-ability is more at ease, level of detail increased, more dynamics and bass!
Bass seemed to be between 30-40hz ..... subs are off now. Cymbals and drums are more organic and raw in sound. I can feel the SPL and dynamics of bass frequencies for such small drivers.......
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7317/12821746764_7d3665cabb_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821746764/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821746764/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7357/12821554753_9981e788cc_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821554753/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821554753/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
very nice set-up you have there sir....
not surprise with your impressions w/ Ma Chr70.3, yong sa akin nga single driver lang masaya na ako... lalu na kaya yan dual.
Post by: tony on Mar 03, 2014 at 01:46 PM
Have been running my Pensil R70.3 box with dual Mark Audio CHR70.3 drivers and now at 150++ hours.
My my ...... it's still improving ..... gain increased as drive-ability is more at ease, level of detail increased, more dynamics and bass!
Bass seemed to be between 30-40hz ..... subs are off now. Cymbals and drums are more organic and raw in sound. I can feel the SPL and dynamics of bass frequencies for such small drivers.......
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7317/12821746764_7d3665cabb_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821746764/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821746764/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7357/12821554753_9981e788cc_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821554753/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821554753/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
good job Joey.....
medyo OT, pero did you try your maggies with JojoD's honey badger? i am making another one kasi? any feedback?
Post by: fredreadrick on Mar 03, 2014 at 01:47 PM
MarkAudio CHR70[a].3 meets AMX Aria class A Single ended EL84 amplifier.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1898124_752845741407059_1359658575_n.jpg)
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 03, 2014 at 03:36 PM
very nice set-up you have there sir....
not surprise with your impressions w/ Ma Chr70.3, yong sa akin nga single driver lang masaya na ako... lalu na kaya yan dual.
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 03, 2014 at 03:39 PM
Para di OT..... your SET amps are good partners for the Mark Audio drivers
good job Joey.....
medyo OT, pero did you try your maggies with JojoD's honey badger? i am making another one kasi? any feedback?
Post by: tony on Mar 03, 2014 at 05:25 PM
We were able to try the honey badger but my maggies were not there yet.
Para di OT..... your SET amps are good partners for the Mark Audio drivers
i have an 8pwc, EL34 parallel SET that i am letting Remington try on his MarkAudio FR....maybe this weekend kung walang further issues yung amp.....:D
Post by: remington on Mar 03, 2014 at 05:49 PM
Post by: xbase on Mar 03, 2014 at 05:53 PM
i have an 8pwc, EL34 parallel SET that i am letting Remington try on his MarkAudio FR....maybe this weekend kung walang further issues yung amp.....:D
wow ayos master another flavor...looking forward he he!
Sama naman jan Jun para marinig ko rin set el34...hehehe...
Post by: xbase on Mar 03, 2014 at 05:57 PM
update lang din...
MarkAudio CHR70[a].3 meets AMX Aria class A Single ended EL84 amplifier.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1898124_752845741407059_1359658575_n.jpg)
Ganda sir ng setup ng MA mo... is that veneer or paint?
Post by: remington on Mar 03, 2014 at 06:14 PM
sure bro...masarap makinig pag may ka jamming hehehe...exited na ko! another flavor in sound...
Sama naman jan Jun para marinig ko rin set el34...hehehe...
Post by: fredreadrick on Mar 03, 2014 at 06:40 PM
Ganda sir ng setup ng MA mo... is that veneer or paint?
sir, flat black lacquer paint lng yan, kulang pa nga sa maselya.
thanks.
Post by: madyaw on Mar 05, 2014 at 02:43 PM
update lang din...
MarkAudio CHR70[a].3 meets AMX Aria class A Single ended EL84 amplifier.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1898124_752845741407059_1359658575_n.jpg)
are they a good match?
Post by: fredreadrick on Mar 05, 2014 at 03:54 PM
the #1 reason why i bought AMX Aria is for economic reason.
i have Topping TP-20 Mark2, used it to drive MA Chr70a.3 during burning-in period & for low volume listening. SQ is pretty good up to 11o'clock, beyond that, it doesn't have enough juice to drive the speakers to it's potential. I have also AMX Forte Tungsol 6550, but it's overkill not to mention the power it sucks from meralco.
enter AMX Aria EL84, 4-5watter SE amps. max i can turn the volume knob is 9.5o'clock, otherwise it'll overdrive 4incher drivers. SQ, nice mids, sparkling highs and solid bottom end.
now i understand what master tony is always saying "i stopped counting watts & started enjoying the music"
i think this pairing will last 'til the next project -Alpair 10P....
thanks for asking.
fred
Post by: Gino on Mar 05, 2014 at 04:11 PM
Post by: fredreadrick on Mar 05, 2014 at 04:18 PM
Yung 9.5 position, head room na ba iyan or still comfortable listening level. I've been wondering kasi kung kaya ng 2a3 3.5w ko ang MA.
+150hrs...
i have a 9sqm. [3*3m] listening room, listening distance 2.40m
@9 comfortable listening level
@9.5 medu inaabot na ung maximum excursion ng driver eh.
kaya next project.. 10P na.
cgurado sir... kayang kaya un.
Post by: madyaw on Mar 05, 2014 at 05:49 PM
sir madyaw,
the #1 reason why i bought AMX Aria is for economic reason.
i have Topping TP-20 Mark2, used it to drive MA Chr70a.3 during burning-in period & for low volume listening. SQ is pretty good up to 11o'clock, beyond that, it doesn't have enough juice to drive the speakers to it's potential. I have also AMX Forte Tungsol 6550, but it's overkill not to mention the power it sucks from meralco.
enter AMX Aria EL84, 4-5watter SE amps. max i can turn the volume knob is 9.5o'clock, otherwise it'll overdrive 4incher drivers. SQ, nice mids, sparkling highs and solid bottom end.
now i understand what master tony is always saying "i stopped counting watts & started enjoying the music"
i think this pairing will last 'til the next project -Alpair 10P....
thanks for asking.
fred
i have a line magnetic class a set amp pushing 3 watts thats why i'm quite interested with ma chr-70 anyway, i will let you know once i tried the set up. i'm waiting for the floorstander which brad chorus will send me. tnx a lot!
Post by: tony on Mar 05, 2014 at 09:11 PM
Post by: deist on Mar 06, 2014 at 03:46 PM
This is why I suggest to those planning to try MA drivers to opt for Alpairs (7.3, 10.3/10P & 12P). Yes, they are much more expensive but truly worth it. I'm not dissing the CHRs, they are very capable drivers, what I'm saying is it would be more economical to go straight to the higher models & spare yourselves the sleepless nights thinking of "what ifs" and then upgrade later on...but that's just my 2 cents, either way i'm sure you won't be disappointed if you plan everything & do it right.
+150hrs...
i have a 9sqm. [3*3m] listening room, listening distance 2.40m
@9 comfortable listening level
@9.5 medu inaabot na ung maximum excursion ng driver eh.
kaya next project.. 10P na.
cgurado sir... kayang kaya un.
Post by: deist on Mar 06, 2014 at 03:49 PM
Yung 9.5 position, head room na ba iyan or still comfortable listening level. I've been wondering kasi kung kaya ng 2a3 3.5w ko ang MA.
Post by: Gino on Mar 06, 2014 at 04:03 PM
Post by: deist on Mar 06, 2014 at 04:58 PM
What you said makes sense. It is also good to know that your Miniwatt could handle the 10P.
Post by: deist on Mar 06, 2014 at 05:07 PM
Let's also consider the resale value, DIY is a project mostly out of love & thrill of building something with your own hands. Audio hobbyists esp pinoys are brand conscious, Mark Audio is not a mainstream product, you have to accept as early as now that you will lose significant amount of money if you plan to sell your item in the future compared to reselling well known brand of spakers.
Post by: Gino on Mar 06, 2014 at 05:14 PM
Here I also notice that DIY speakers easily lose up to 40% list price. Practically a loss proposition to buy or go DIY.
Spot on that DIY is for the love of it. My speakers weren't cheap then. But I was able to have them built to my design. It was spot on with what I wanted. No wonder I am still enjoying them 10 years later.
Post by: m0b1u5 on Mar 06, 2014 at 06:23 PM
Post by: Gino on Mar 06, 2014 at 07:00 PM
Post by: fredreadrick on Mar 06, 2014 at 09:29 PM
go pull the trigger sir ;)still loading the barrel sir :)
...sleepless nights...yes, not worrying but enjoying this little gem [CHR70]
...sure you won't be disappointed...happy & content with what i have now.
thanks again.
Post by: Gino on Mar 06, 2014 at 09:42 PM
Post by: timber715 on Mar 07, 2014 at 12:26 AM
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/F54DE4D9-5530-4169-B72F-4FEEEC6257BA_zpskyjusvmu.jpg)
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 07, 2014 at 10:16 AM
If ever you would go for the same enclosure, birch ply (19mm) is preferred so that you would not worry on the wall resonance. Of course, panel thickness is also critical. If you are to use ordinary plywood or thinner thickness, you will be using a lot of damping material (apart from the stuffing material) and also internal bracing will have to be added. So using inferior plywood quality may give you savings up front but cost of damping and bracing will be added, negating the perceived savings.
The Pensil enclosure that I have used was supposed to be a very simple build. Using the right wood will really make it simple. In my case, using birch ply, I just added stuffing and its done.
What drivers did JoeyGS use? I too like the cabinets made by Timber. Not a day goes by that I don't look back a page or two to look at them at least once.
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 07, 2014 at 10:20 AM
Baka puwedeng lagyan "timber715" signature yan.....
Back to the shop for final finishing muna....
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/F54DE4D9-5530-4169-B72F-4FEEEC6257BA_zpskyjusvmu.jpg)
Post by: Gino on Mar 07, 2014 at 10:29 AM
Post by: RXV on Mar 07, 2014 at 10:35 AM
Hi Gino ..... I used the CHR70.3 - Champagne and Silver color combination. Their are both the same drivers.
If ever you would go for the same enclosure, birch ply (19mm) is preferred so that you would not worry on the wall resonance. Of course, panel thickness is also critical. If you are to use ordinary plywood or thinner thickness, you will be using a lot of damping material (apart from the stuffing material) and also internal bracing will have to be added. So using inferior plywood quality may give you savings up front but cost of damping and bracing will be added, negating the perceived savings.
The Pensil enclosure that I have used was supposed to be a very simple build. Using the right wood will really make it simple. In my case, using birch ply, I just added stuffing and its done.
Sir, saan nakakabili ng birch plywood dito?
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 07, 2014 at 10:45 AM
Sir, saan nakakabili ng birch plywood dito?
Post by: Gino on Mar 07, 2014 at 11:02 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 07, 2014 at 11:35 AM
As always, enjoyed a tour of Timb's drawers... may pabaon pa... 8)
Yehey!
Baka puwedeng lagyan "timber715" signature yan.....
Swerte yan baka Devilbiss spray gun pa gamitin ni brader Timber... smoothness yan pag natapos... ;)
Post by: Gino on Mar 07, 2014 at 11:48 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 07, 2014 at 07:08 PM
Pang Transport Show noong araw. Alala ko classmate ko pag magdetail bulak ang gamit.
may 3000 grit yan si Timbs... pang polishing talaga... 8)
Post by: deist on Mar 07, 2014 at 10:20 PM
share lang, surprised to see this in the mail today, ang shipping address nilagay ko sa Singapore, pinadala sa billing address. sabi ng kasama namin sa bahay siningil daw sya ng 50 pesos ng taga-post office na nag-deliver.
Tubes & coupling caps for my diy tube amp project to be paired with my MA speakers.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2844/12989693113_d0d4d812e9_c.jpg)
Post by: Gino on Mar 07, 2014 at 10:31 PM
Post by: deist on Mar 07, 2014 at 10:42 PM
may nagpaparating ba ng MA dito? Feasible din ba yung similar config as JoeyGS but will instead use Alpair 10M Gold and Alpair 12P? or better kung parehong 10M?
Post by: deist on Mar 07, 2014 at 10:44 PM
I am surprised your mailman delivered parcels. Usually for pickup ang ganyan. P50 is standard documentation fee when you get a mail notice.
Post by: m0b1u5 on Mar 07, 2014 at 10:54 PM
Sir, may I know the reason why you are thinking of using 2 pairs of drivers?experiment lang. :)
meron na kasi ako AN FR na single driver. try ko naman dual driver. Or pwede din kaya passive radiator yung isa? pag di maganda result, balik na lang sa single driver design.
Post by: Gino on Mar 07, 2014 at 10:55 PM
They don't do this regularly. Only when they feel like it.
The QC post office had been revamped lately. The items were assigned to different claim windows. Separate yung to be taxed sa hindi.
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 07, 2014 at 11:02 PM
may nagpaparating ba ng MA dito? Feasible din ba yung similar config as JoeyGS but will instead use Alpair 10M Gold and Alpair 12P? or better kung parehong 10M?
Post by: deist on Mar 07, 2014 at 11:05 PM
(http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attachments/markaudio/402658d1393553315-twin-alpair-7s-studio-monitor-build-twin-mar-ken102-extents.png)
ang ganda nito if it will be well executed, may be difficult to DIY for a newbie pero for sure kayang kaya ng mga masters...*cough* timber! *cough* ;)
experiment lang. :)
meron na kasi ako AN FR na single driver. try ko naman dual driver. Or pwede din kaya passive radiator yung isa? pag di maganda result, balik na lang sa single driver design.
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 07, 2014 at 11:27 PM
Hear is one thread that Scott provided an advise:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/252321-what-do-i-do-now-two-dead-10-2s.html#post3843307 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/252321-what-do-i-do-now-two-dead-10-2s.html#post3843307)
Post by: timber715 on Mar 08, 2014 at 12:13 AM
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/68F7D6B8-03D4-4D3E-B52D-453F1021A2DF_zpsd9wkxzjn.jpg)
Next week glaze muna yung mga imperfections pa rin....
Post by: timber715 on Mar 08, 2014 at 12:15 AM
Bakit kaya gising pa si joeygs?
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 08, 2014 at 12:41 AM
Ganda ng design Deist, fully braced pa!
Bakit kaya gising pa si joeygs?
Post by: timber715 on Mar 08, 2014 at 12:43 AM
Fan ako ni Jean Claude Van Damme kaya gising pa akoNanonood ka ng speaker wires brader? Kamusta naman?
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 08, 2014 at 12:45 AM
Nanonood ka ng speaker wires brader? Kamusta naman?
Post by: timber715 on Mar 08, 2014 at 12:46 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 08, 2014 at 07:36 AM
Hehehehe... Ang saya no? Enjoy!
Post by: timber715 on Mar 08, 2014 at 10:21 AM
Any saya saya!Di ka natulog?! Hahahahah
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 08, 2014 at 10:49 AM
Di ka natulog?! Hahahahah
Post by: Gino on Mar 08, 2014 at 11:13 AM
Post by: timber715 on Mar 08, 2014 at 01:48 PM
Aba pareho pala kayon nag-score ng Van Damme. Besties ah he he.Oo, sinubukan ko kasi yung mas makapal na wires eh though dati na ko naka van damme. Were so happy, I just might order a spool.... Hehehehe
Sorry ot na....
Post by: alexg on Mar 18, 2014 at 05:13 PM
After a month my enclosures are done & have been gathering dust in my office for a couple of weeks until I was able to find time to put it together last weekend. I've been busy with work lately & my family did some volunteer work in Villamor the past 2 weekends for the victims of Yolanda.
I inquired from known enclosure fabricators here in the forum but due to sked conflict & time constraint I just decided to ask my suking karpintero to build them for me. He doesn't have any experience fabricating speaker boxes so it took us more than a few back & forth discussions...ganun pala talaga kapag parehong first time ;D
So after some issues with plywood finishing, sizes of wood available around etc. I decided to go the engineered solid wood route. The finish is still rough, we just applied varnish and that's it. Ipaayos ko na lang finishing pag may time na. Below is the built pic:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2863/11414879166_4f8840a669_c.jpg)
These are Mark Audio Alpair 10P Gen 1 drivers on Pensil enclosures. How does it sound?...Well, I promised myself to be objective about giving my listening impressions & not let my excitement get in the way.
I've only been in the audio hobby for 2 years now, I don't have many gear as I like it simple & don't want to spend a fortune on this hobby, my priorities with family outweigh any hobby but I like to think I know a good sounding audio setup when I hear one.
My objective for this build is to produce a pair of speakers with very good to excellent midrange as I find myself listening to a lot of jazz, acoustic, neo-classical/classical music lately (ganun yata talaga ang tumatanda ;)) It is also the reason why I chose the paper cone drivers. I opted for the pensils because they are front firing & doesn't require much space from the wall, they will be put in a smallish 16sq/m room. Let me tell you these drivers doesn't disappoint and something tells me they will sound better after a couple of hundred hours.
I'm still listening at low to moderate levels per recommendation of the manufacturer and I can already tell that these are smooth sounding speakers with a lot of detail. I also noticed that there isn't much difference or no difference at all when listening on axis vs. off-axis(20-30degrees). Listening late at night when everything is quiet made me hear details in songs I never knew were there before. I've been listening to speakers with tweeters as far as I can remember but I'm not missing them on these pair. The low end is still inconclusive at this point since it is not recommended to listen to heavy bass sounding music until the burn in period is done but I can hear coherent low end on jazz materials. Piano, in my observation is what most speakers I've heard are having problems in terms of producing natural sound and in these speakers I'm hearing the most natural sounding piano timbre on my system.
So are these the best sounding speakers I've heard?
NO. go to a hi-fi show & you will hear better sound but the price difference is heaven & earth. And these speakers can give them a run for their money ;)
Are these the best sounding speakers I have owned?
YES, as mentioned I don't own many but these are the best sounding speakers I can afford or willing to spend on.
Would I recommend this to others?
YES, but it's not for everyone.
I am loving the DIY route, the first time I hooked them up was like the when the bulb started glowing up in my first science project when they made us light a bulb using batteries in parallel/series circuit ;D Now, on to my next DIY project...a tube amp, will probably get a kit for newbies like me and hopefully I won't blow our house to dust ;)
Another pic:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7405/11414873195_4660ac09b4_c.jpg)
How thick is the engineered wood from Pateco, is it the one they sell as 1" but actually is less than 3/4"? Thanks. :)
Post by: deist on Mar 18, 2014 at 05:31 PM
How thick is the engineered wood from Pateco, is it the one they sell as 1" but actually is less than 3/4"? Thanks. :)
Post by: alexg on Mar 19, 2014 at 10:40 AM
Yes, that's it. The one they say for counter top. Thickness is 19mm.
Thanks, I have been buying that finger jointed wood from them for my shelving and drawer projects, but I don't think they make it wider than 12".
Have you noticed any resonance? Did you brace your speaker cabinets?
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM
Thanks, I have been buying that finger jointed wood from them for my shelving and drawer projects, but I don't think they make it wider than 12".
Have you noticed any resonance? Did you brace your speaker cabinets?
Post by: Gino on Mar 19, 2014 at 12:06 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 19, 2014 at 12:10 PM
Post by: deist on Mar 19, 2014 at 03:27 PM
I've been reading about enclosure resonance, why some speaker manufacturers use thin walls with some resonance, apparently it adds "warmth" or "brilliance" to the sound, it adds color. While resonant free enclosures are more transparent. A matter of preference.
Thanks, I have been buying that finger jointed wood from them for my shelving and drawer projects, but I don't think they make it wider than 12".
Have you noticed any resonance? Did you brace your speaker cabinets?
Post by: deist on Mar 19, 2014 at 03:28 PM
Hey Alex........ Deist place is near our place. Maybe you can check out with him for a listen.
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 19, 2014 at 04:12 PM
I notice some resonance when playing in loud volume, no bracing yet I'm thinking if I need them as the box designer says it is optional. Will experiment lining the walls with some wool felt, hopefully will make the enclosures dead silent, wala lang akong mahanap na wool felt or equivalent locally.
I've been reading about enclosure resonance, why some speaker manufacturers use thin walls with some resonance, apparently it adds "warmth" or "brilliance" to the sound, it adds color. While resonant free enclosures are more transparent. A matter of preference.
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 19, 2014 at 04:12 PM
Sir Joey, umuwi na ba sayo yung enclosures from sir timber?
Post by: timber715 on Mar 19, 2014 at 04:29 PM
Not yet. Nasa finishing pa.Just tinished spraying now and waiting to dry... When all is well tomorrow it gets its top coat... If all goes well.....
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 19, 2014 at 05:14 PM
Just tinished spraying now and waiting to dry... When all is well tomorrow it gets its top coat... If all goes well.....
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 19, 2014 at 05:41 PM
Just tinished spraying now and waiting to dry... When all is well tomorrow it gets its top coat... If all goes well.....
IME, usually, it doesn't... >:D
Alright! Thanks for the update.....
Ibig sabihin nun matagal pa... ;D
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 19, 2014 at 05:48 PM
IME, usually, it doesn't... >:D
Ibig sabihin nun matagal pa... ;D
Post by: timber715 on Mar 19, 2014 at 07:19 PM
IME, usually, it doesn't... >:D
Ibig sabihin nun matagal pa... ;D
KJ! >:(Inunahan ko na brader. Checked and lightly sanded the enclosures and it seems we just escaped the curse of the jojo ^-^
Bukas I first need to find a clean space to spray the final coat, sayang lang kasi kung magiging airport ng insects.... :o
Btw, punta ka sa thread ko, may group buy kami na powertool na sigurong magugustuhan ninyo ni jojo >:D
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 19, 2014 at 08:08 PM
Inunahan ko na brader. Checked and lightly sanded the enclosures and it seems we just escaped the curse of the jojo ^-^
Bukas I first need to find a clean space to spray the final coat, sayang lang kasi kung magiging airport ng insects.... :o
Btw, punta ka sa thread ko, may group buy kami na powertool na sigurong magugustuhan ninyo ni jojo >:D
Kahit magkulambo pa brader may dadapo pa din diyan... >:D
KJ! >:(
Reality yan... yun tipong ingat na ingat ka tapos may dadapo na insect. :D :D :D
Post by: timber715 on Mar 19, 2014 at 08:23 PM
Kahit magkulambo pa brader may dadapo pa din diyan... >:DHehehehe....
Reality yan... yun tipong ingat na ingat ka tapos may dadapo na insect. :D :D :D
Post by: deist on Mar 19, 2014 at 10:10 PM
Not yet. Nasa finishing pa.
Post by: deist on Mar 19, 2014 at 10:10 PM
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2844/13266358393_a7922e4e2d_z.jpg)
Solid ang bigat nito! these would need a very sturdy enclosure ;D
Post by: Gino on Mar 20, 2014 at 06:47 AM
Post by: deist on Mar 20, 2014 at 11:12 AM
This project is a SE EL34/6L6/KT88 tube amp, approx. will give 10-14watts-UL & 5-8watts-Triode. I'm looking for someone to collaborate with and build a wooden enclosure for this, I prefer hard wood like narra...
*cough* timber! *cough*
may pesteng ahem ;D
Ironman, ha ha, solid nickname for Edrel. Looks like a nice project you have there.
Post by: timber715 on Mar 20, 2014 at 11:39 AM
Thanks bro! He makes some of the best traffos in the land, I guess Ironman would suit well ;)Narra is very hard to acquire brader, it is either very expensive or too young (cut earlier than needed) bec it is illegal. Though I have several pieces in my stock, send me dimensions....
This project is a SE EL34/6L6/KT88 tube amp, approx. will give 10-14watts-UL & 5-8watts-Triode. I'm looking for someone to collaborate with and build a wooden enclosure for this, I prefer hard wood like narra...
*cough* timber! *cough*
may pesteng ahem ;D
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 20, 2014 at 11:46 AM
Thanks bro! He makes some of the best traffos in the land, I guess Ironman would suit well ;)
This project is a SE EL34/6L6/KT88 tube amp, approx. will give 10-14watts-UL & 5-8watts-Triode. I'm looking for someone to collaborate with and build a wooden enclosure for this, I prefer hard wood like narra...
*cough* timber! *cough*
may pesteng ahem ;D
Post by: timber715 on Mar 20, 2014 at 11:59 AM
There is dau and molave up going towards tagaytay. But the challenge is to get the oldest batchOr making sure it is dry... Kung ako, I like to make one out of walnut or walnut-maple combo.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/C6F1B7BB-5DDD-4FB6-9850-E035129A2E6D_zpsyf33b7lf.jpg)
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM
Or making sure it is dry... Kung ako, I like to make one out of walnut or walnut-maple combo.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/C6F1B7BB-5DDD-4FB6-9850-E035129A2E6D_zpsyf33b7lf.jpg)
Post by: Gino on Mar 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM
Post by: timber715 on Mar 20, 2014 at 04:19 PM
Almost avoided the jojo curse ^-^ pero had to make minor touch up before I started the top coat.
Started by preparing the space, then making sure that it was clean. First two coats went in fast.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/52070765-0C20-4166-B41A-28F60898432C_zpsdxz19nas.jpg)
Then a 3rh and 4th coat went in.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/1A75527D-57AD-4201-8A59-CF6D66C1661F_zpszshzbcn4.jpg)
Dami pa ring imperfections, but without a dedicated booth that is expected.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/1358D334-BCB1-456F-BDE6-02D2D6617800_zpsk8svossk.jpg)
Not an issue anyway as most of the topcoat will be sanded flush
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/BC688CAA-D9A7-4202-A9E6-44CCD1626B43_zpsrgu6sbqz.jpg)
But that happens after two days pa, so its time for me to rest till next week.... ^-^
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 20, 2014 at 04:47 PM
Post by: Gino on Mar 20, 2014 at 05:04 PM
Post by: deist on Mar 20, 2014 at 08:18 PM
Or making sure it is dry... Kung ako, I like to make one out of walnut or walnut-maple combo.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/C6F1B7BB-5DDD-4FB6-9850-E035129A2E6D_zpsyf33b7lf.jpg)
thanks for the suggestions guys, appreciate your input ;)
Post by: Gino on Mar 20, 2014 at 08:51 PM
Post by: deist on Mar 21, 2014 at 09:43 AM
This will be another classic build. Deist are you personally going to build the amp?
Post by: Gino on Mar 21, 2014 at 10:03 AM
I built a headphone tube amp from a kit. ArnoldC was thoughtful enough to make a paint by numbers like assembly manual.
Just be wary of the potential of fully charged capacitors and how to handle them safely. Lastly, let a seasoned expert review your work and power it up the first time.
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 21, 2014 at 10:10 AM
Eto Joey konting update...
Almost avoided the jojo curse ^-^ pero had to make minor touch up before I started the top coat.
Started by preparing the space, then making sure that it was clean. First two coats went in fast.
Then a 3rh and 4th coat went in.
Dami pa ring imperfections, but without a dedicated booth that is expected.
Not an issue anyway as most of the topcoat will be sanded flush
But that happens after two days pa, so its time for me to rest till next week.... ^-^
Sabi ko na kasi eh... inevitable yan... dun pa sa final coat dadapo yun insect diyan... >:D
Tapos yun tipong pipilitin pa maglakad nun insect... or hihingi ng tulong sa ibang insects... ouch! >:D >:D >:D
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 21, 2014 at 10:11 AM
Alright! Thanks for the update. Getting there......
After Holy Week pa daw matatapos... :P
Post by: Gino on Mar 21, 2014 at 10:37 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 21, 2014 at 10:38 AM
At saka gagawin pa yung footers niyan ^-^
After Holy Week pa daw matatapos... :P
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 21, 2014 at 10:40 AM
Bwahahaha, hayop ka manakot. Sunod-sunod pa. Pero seriously, bummer kung hindi umabot ng Holyweek he he. Pressure, pressure.
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 21, 2014 at 06:48 PM
Bwahahaha, hayop ka manakot. Sunod-sunod pa. Pero seriously, bummer kung hindi umabot ng Holyweek he he. Pressure, pressure.
Reality yan eh, ewan ko ba sa mga insects na yan ang gusto landing area yun makinis, makintab at malagkit... yun tipong matutuyo na sabay dadapo... >:D
Ok lang yun ..... am not in a hurry naman..... Maggie is keeping me company :P
At saka gagawin pa yung footers niyan ^-^
Classic denial stage... ;D
Kunyari ok lang take your time pero tanong ng tanong ng update... hahaha ;D
Sa tingin ko dinedelay lang ni Jojo yan. Kasi pag nagawa na kailangan na siya pumasyal sa Sta. Rosa
Kung rootbeer float pwede before Holy Week pero pag may kasamang lechon na eh after Holy Week na matatapos ni Timbs yan! >:D
;D ;D ;D
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 21, 2014 at 11:36 PM
Reality yan eh, ewan ko ba sa mga insects na yan ang gusto landing area yun makinis, makintab at malagkit... yun tipong matutuyo na sabay dadapo... >:D
Classic denial stage... ;D
Kunyari ok lang take your time pero tanong ng tanong ng update... hahaha ;D
Kung rootbeer float pwede before Holy Week pero pag may kasamang lechon na eh after Holy Week na matatapos ni Timbs yan! >:D
;D ;D ;D
Post by: timber715 on Mar 22, 2014 at 12:03 AM
Post by: edrel sison on Mar 22, 2014 at 08:55 AM
Finally met earlier today mr ironman himself - Edrel Sison. Picked up the PT, OPTs, choke & motor run caps from him. Nice meeting you bro. Till next time for the other stuff.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2844/13266358393_a7922e4e2d_z.jpg)
Solid ang bigat nito! these would need a very sturdy enclosure ;D
nice meeting you deist! you should be able to complete the build mid april i suppose.
Post by: Gino on Mar 22, 2014 at 10:23 AM
Post by: edrel sison on Mar 22, 2014 at 12:09 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 22, 2014 at 12:12 PM
thanks Gino. i hope to hear them one of these days on deist's place match with his alpairs.
Post by: Gino on Mar 22, 2014 at 12:14 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 22, 2014 at 12:14 PM
Alam nung dumapo kung kanino yung speakers...after landing sinulat nya letter "J"... Tapos yung barkada nya naman yung tuldok sa taas ng J.... Huhuhu
Post by: edrel sison on Mar 22, 2014 at 12:16 PM
Post by: deist on Mar 23, 2014 at 09:42 AM
nice meeting you deist! you should be able to complete the build mid april i suppose.
Post by: deist on Mar 23, 2014 at 09:48 AM
I do too. I will be watching this build. Edrel-Deist-Timber collaboration. Wow. Did I miss anybody?
thanks Gino. i hope to hear them one of these days on deist's place match with his alpairs.
Post by: Gino on Mar 23, 2014 at 01:27 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 23, 2014 at 10:06 PM
If i know mas preferred mo ma-delay para may lechon! Call ako diyan ha...... Promise!
Yun yun eh! >:D
Alam nung dumapo kung kanino yung speakers...after landing sinulat nya letter "J"... Tapos yung barkada nya naman yung tuldok sa taas ng J.... Huhuhu
Ah mga vandal insects yan Timbs! May mga ganyan na din ako na-experience dati, ang ginawa ko pinabayaan ko lang sila para mabuo yun pangalan na sinusulat... tapos nilagyan ko ng tsek! :D
Those are really delicious irons you made Edrel. Ang kikinis.
Si Edrel pa, automatic na yan. ;)
I do too. I will be watching this build. Edrel-Deist-Timber collaboration. Wow. Did I miss anybody?
You forgot the insects bro! :P
Tamang kulit ako ah... O0
Post by: timber715 on Mar 23, 2014 at 10:20 PM
Post by: deist on Mar 24, 2014 at 08:56 AM
How far are you guys from Nuvali?
Yes, crucial ang role ng insects ;)
You forgot the insects bro! :P
Post by: timber715 on Mar 24, 2014 at 11:28 PM
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/98EA9AB3-C615-458C-A09E-8A311CC970B3_zpsgf6qzn67.jpg)
Di na makakalanding mga insects dito.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/91D72E0A-912B-4905-81DE-F044049B7C47_zpshwzuhrzz.jpg)
Then started cutting some mahogany for the base.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/03215044-1228-4CFE-87C1-B513BE2F850C_zpsmrklnlay.jpg)
The short piece gets reduced
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/A339B740-975C-4697-97B7-3DB9F758C89D_zpskt8ryvor.jpg)
Then it is split in half.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/A9DDDEAF-14A5-4F23-8F98-6FA95B500B94_zpsjnbmqien.jpg)
With a day of rain, it stops me from doing anything else...
Post by: Gino on Mar 25, 2014 at 09:50 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 25, 2014 at 12:36 PM
With a day of rain, it stops me from doing anything else...
Sabi ko na kasi eh! Kung hindi insects, rain naman ang magpapatagal sa finishing... ;D
Nakasimangot na siguro si brader JoeyGS hahaha! ;D ;D ;D
Mind boggling. How do you split a board that is relatively thin?
Antay natin sagot bro, dati kasi tinanong ko yan ang sagot sa akin "so many ways to skin a cat" eh kahoy ang tinatanong ko di naman pusa... >:D
PS: Sensiya na ayaw pa maubos ng kulit ko... :P
Post by: timber715 on Mar 25, 2014 at 01:38 PM
Mind boggling. How do you split a board that is relatively thin?With a bandsaw brader...
http://youtu.be/DQLmHrQ71Gw
Post by: Gino on Mar 25, 2014 at 01:58 PM
Post by: timber715 on Mar 25, 2014 at 02:08 PM
That is some serious machine.Seriously expensive... Huhuhu. But a very nice tool to have indeed.
Post by: timber715 on Mar 25, 2014 at 07:40 PM
The long board goes in
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/D684D570-2D8D-4D81-B911-B9A6E148C2C5_zpsqoawemcj.jpg)
Then comes out
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/ED056AB0-91E7-41D3-A8BE-B7495A023CE8_zpscgpexnqq.jpg)
All boards went in including the short ones, which was cut to close to the shape of the speaker and then fastened using 4 screws.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/2BC7A08E-42A2-465E-9B21-000A73ED9CA0_zpstvgwisda.jpg)
I then added tape to prevent any scratches from happening as the flush trim router bit hits the sides.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/FCA6A7D7-73F6-44F5-BC00-894C0E29B1F3_zpsx9kiqze9.jpg)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/9CFF5055-F1D2-4801-B312-639EC52136AF_zpsvb8jn7fe.jpg)
Trimed and rounded over, it gets waxed and reinstalled.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/8D58AD92-ECF1-4DA6-AB23-ABB2D12D4A55_zpsl9conrty.jpg)
Waiting for the feet then it gets delivered... Picked up pala. Heheheh
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/99A0E542-7BDF-4D7D-8667-DCB3B05E40E0_zpszw7pndnr.jpg)
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 25, 2014 at 09:47 PM
Post by: timber715 on Mar 27, 2014 at 12:09 AM
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/EDA3F0C3-0058-4DAF-9ECC-9DAB5F6C3E14_zps9oalrm3x.jpg)
Adding the last pieces...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/F9A97B82-5543-46BB-B1A4-91B6DBC9C152_zpsg9sp0yxk.jpg)
Ready for pick up na!
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 27, 2014 at 04:51 AM
Hope you have your signature in there ....... Can't wait to pick it up. ;D
Post by: Gino on Mar 27, 2014 at 02:04 PM
Post by: deist on Mar 28, 2014 at 08:26 AM
Post by: Narayan on Mar 28, 2014 at 08:54 AM
Post by: luis on Mar 28, 2014 at 10:26 AM
Finally the rain abated... Time to resume what can be done.
The long board goes in
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/D684D570-2D8D-4D81-B911-B9A6E148C2C5_zpsqoawemcj.jpg)
Then comes out
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/ED056AB0-91E7-41D3-A8BE-B7495A023CE8_zpscgpexnqq.jpg)
All boards went in including the short ones, which was cut to close to the shape of the speaker and then fastened using 4 screws.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/2BC7A08E-42A2-465E-9B21-000A73ED9CA0_zpstvgwisda.jpg)
I then added tape to prevent any scratches from happening as the flush trim router bit hits the sides.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/FCA6A7D7-73F6-44F5-BC00-894C0E29B1F3_zpsx9kiqze9.jpg)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/9CFF5055-F1D2-4801-B312-639EC52136AF_zpsvb8jn7fe.jpg)
Trimed and rounded over, it gets waxed and reinstalled.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/8D58AD92-ECF1-4DA6-AB23-ABB2D12D4A55_zpsl9conrty.jpg)
Waiting for the feet then it gets delivered... Picked up pala. Heheheh
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/99A0E542-7BDF-4D7D-8667-DCB3B05E40E0_zpszw7pndnr.jpg)
wow parang white chocolate with caramel on the edge. ang ganda, ang sarap tignan!
:) :) :)
Post by: joya on Mar 28, 2014 at 10:49 AM
Great build from our Master Carpenter! Thanks timber!
Hope you have your signature in there ....... Can't wait to pick it up. ;D
Congrats, tukayo, drooling to hear them sing...;)
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 28, 2014 at 12:49 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 28, 2014 at 12:50 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 28, 2014 at 12:51 PM
Congrats, tukayo, drooling to hear them sing...;)
Post by: timber715 on Mar 28, 2014 at 01:02 PM
Post by: Gino on Mar 28, 2014 at 01:30 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 28, 2014 at 02:13 PM
At home ......
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7260/13461549964_43a1c1dd3f.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/mvxXP3)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3724/13461539374_85bce69688.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/mvxUEs)
Walang pictures?
Aba napickup na.
Post by: joya on Mar 28, 2014 at 09:12 PM
O taga saan ka ba tukayo?Been to your place years ago brader, got the souped-up A50t, pero nakulam ni brader Cal, in short, sold it for brader Jojo's mono amps & LS (...lucky for us to own one). Maybe one of these days Jojo, Cal & I can hear your wonderful pair in action...
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 29, 2014 at 12:46 AM
The mono amps and LS are for keeps. Try inserting a tubed buffer between the mono amps and the LS....and hear what happens...
Been to your place years ago brader, got the souped-up A50t, pero nakulam ni brader Cal, in short, sold it for brader Jojo's mono amps & LS (...lucky for us to own one). Maybe one of these days Jojo, Cal & I can hear your wonderful pair in action...
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 31, 2014 at 05:05 PM
Kaya pala excited na maiuwi agad sa St Rose ang mga kahon para umabot sa celebration... ;)
Post by: Gino on Mar 31, 2014 at 05:30 PM
Post by: timber715 on Mar 31, 2014 at 08:14 PM
Post by: joya on Mar 31, 2014 at 08:55 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 31, 2014 at 10:18 PM
Tukayo ayos ang cinemas..... Maganda estorya ng Captain America
Post by: deist on Apr 02, 2014 at 10:59 AM
http://6moons.com/audioreviews2/eist/1.html (http://6moons.com/audioreviews2/eist/1.html)
Even Srajan was impressed with Eist Audio's choice of driver, need I say more? ;)
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 02, 2014 at 06:46 PM
Even Srajan was impressed with Eist Audio's driver of choice, need I say more? ;)...and it's "only" Alpair 7.
thanks sharing.
Post by: deist on Apr 03, 2014 at 10:21 AM
Nah, I will just enjoy my sub-$300 build ;D
...and it's "only" Alpair 7.
thanks sharing.
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 03, 2014 at 10:52 AM
Eist Audio's Dubh speakers will retail @ 3,500 british freakin pounds and uses $160 (pair) drivers! :o
Nah, I will just enjoy my sub-$300 build ;D
Post by: Gino on Apr 03, 2014 at 11:08 AM
Post by: deist on Apr 03, 2014 at 03:31 PM
Wala pa shipping and tax he he he.
But it got me thinking...$160 for a pair of drivers, surely those enclosures wouldn't cost £3,000.00 to manufacture. Either they are very convinced that the speakers sound so good that they can demand the price tag (heck they even got a good review from 6moons/Srajan) or they are totally ripping off the consumers >:D
One thing is for sure: the MA Alpair drivers are good enough to be utilized in high end hi-fi speakers O0
Post by: Gino on Apr 03, 2014 at 03:39 PM
Post by: deist on Apr 03, 2014 at 03:47 PM
In some respects the price is in itself the added value. Welcome to the world of monetary luxury.
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 03, 2014 at 04:20 PM
Eist Audio's Dubh speakers will retail @ 3,500 british freakin pounds and uses $160 (pair) drivers! :o
Nah, I will just enjoy my sub-$300 build ;D
(http://6moons.com/audioreviews2/eist/1.jpg)
simple design...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1898124_752845741407059_1359658575_n.jpg)
konting hilamos na lang.. di na rin nalalayo.
Post by: tony on Apr 03, 2014 at 04:42 PM
Eist Audio's Dubh speakers will retail @ 3,500 british freakin pounds and uses $160 (pair) drivers! :o
Nah, I will just enjoy my sub-$300 build ;D
there are those who believe that cheaply priced items are of low quality....
and that these speakers must be priced as such to convey to the buyer that
it is high end......you may be surprised, maraming kumakagat sa ganyang price....
to them that price is peanuts...... :D
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 03, 2014 at 05:58 PM
Post by: timber715 on Apr 04, 2014 at 12:08 AM
Didn't Eist mention that they smoothened the frequency response of the driver thru filtering? They also must have designed the box to optimize the potential of the drivers. Technical engineering must have been implemented to make it sound excellent. Sometimes it's not only the physical aspect that merits value in a product. The technical effort put into the product that makes it superior should be given proper credit.Very nicely said, what is hidden is the time and materials they wasted to get to the said design, couple it with the education they got to have the expertise to pull it off....
We at the otherhand have the luxury of having people willing to share plans on how to build them less the stress and expense...
Post by: deist on Apr 04, 2014 at 02:40 PM
I also wonder about the filtering they used: notch filter or band filter? zobel maybe? it can even be done digitally nowadays with miniDSP. The past couple of years I have literally browsed & read hundreds of speaker builds in different implementations over at DIYaudio and to tell you frankly more than a few are better looking & more compelling than the dubh, and they also come with frequency response graphs to support. In Srajan's conclusion he said: highly layered depth staging, high transient precision, very good off axis behavior, highly developed intelligibility and clarity. Not exactly as flowery as those words but isn't it the same as my findings with my 10Ps?
You'd think that I say too much and ask if I can build better speakers than the dubh, the answer is NO. I am just a hobbyist who recently took the plunge in the scary waters of DIY and slowly finding out what's going on with those little things inside the enclosure of a hi-fi audio product. And that it's more than just reading the BS in the brochures, spec sheets, and blabbering of the tacky sales rep who more often than not doesn't know enough about what he is selling.
What I see here is the difference in the driving force behind a build, the main motivation of a consumer product manufacturer will always be profit. The higher the mark-up they can get away with, the better. while a DIYer does it for the love,fun & frustration of it. He wants to learn, he is developing a passion for it. He wants to share his knowledge with his friends or others in the same hobby. Maybe it's his way to unwind, to escape from the everyday boring routine or he simply have too much time in his hands. Maybe he wants to do projects so he can stay out of trouble, like gambling, drinking, even girls, wife & kids would be happier :D
Whatever the reason is, the bottom line is he wants to be productive, to build something, to stare at it at the end of the day like it's a trophy. The same way a well off person would stare at his £3,500.00 pair of speakers and say I've worked my @$$ off to pay for it ;)
Post by: RXV on Apr 04, 2014 at 04:37 PM
Others are passionate about DIY and bang-for-buck, while others just have the money to spend and experiment and at the same time don't have the time or skills or effort to try to DIY.
But all said... I'm still with sir deist's side hehehe. Mabuhay DIY :)
Post by: tony on Apr 04, 2014 at 05:37 PM
15 years in the semiconductor industry, i know that we try to keep our unit costs (direct material and direct labor) down to about U$0.10 and sell products in the $10 to 100 dollar range...this is economics and market forces play a big role...
Post by: darkangel69 on Apr 05, 2014 at 02:57 PM
What I see here is the difference in the driving force behind a build, the main motivation of a consumer product manufacturer will always be profit. The higher the mark-up they can get away with, the better. while a DIYer does it for the love,fun & frustration of it. He wants to learn, he is developing a passion for it. He wants to share his knowledge with his friends or others in the same hobby. Maybe it's his way to unwind, to escape from the everyday boring routine or he simply have too much time in his hands. Maybe he wants to do projects so he can stay out of trouble, like gambling, drinking, even girls, wife & kids would be happier :D
Whatever the reason is, the bottom line is he wants to be productive, to build something, to stare at it at the end of the day like it's a trophy. The same way a well off person would stare at his £3,500.00 pair of speakers and say I've worked my @$$ off to pay for it ;)
Very well said sir deist... ;D
If you're into DIY talagang magastos, may kasamang pagod at kakain pa ng maraming oras, isama mo pa diyan ang wife if she gives the support you need.
Post by: endrik35 on Apr 06, 2014 at 04:10 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NVQujPOPx2c/TFofhycMvQI/AAAAAAAARyM/2FgDJzMN8bQ/s400/C-Horn_d.gif)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 06, 2014 at 04:16 PM
Do you guys know of any individual who can make this kind of woodworks for my Mark Audio Alpair 7? :)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NVQujPOPx2c/TFofhycMvQI/AAAAAAAARyM/2FgDJzMN8bQ/s400/C-Horn_d.gif)
Tingin ko kaya ni Trod yan. It looks simple naman. Problem lang diyan is yun tinted plastic walls. Dapat polycarbonate ang gamitin diyan.
Post by: timber715 on Apr 06, 2014 at 04:19 PM
Do you guys know of any individual who can make this kind of woodworks for my Mark Audio Alpair 7? :)Do you have the drawings for it? Preferably to size para mas accurate...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NVQujPOPx2c/TFofhycMvQI/AAAAAAAARyM/2FgDJzMN8bQ/s400/C-Horn_d.gif)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 06, 2014 at 04:21 PM
Do you have the drawings for it? Preferably to size para mas accurate...
Ayan nga pala si master timberman!
Post by: Gino on Apr 06, 2014 at 04:33 PM
Post by: endrik35 on Apr 06, 2014 at 08:23 PM
Tingin ko kaya ni Trod yan. It looks simple naman. Problem lang diyan is yun tinted plastic walls. Dapat polycarbonate ang gamitin diyan.
Nelson, i think the sidings and base is thick acrylic plates. Sonny will look for the dimensions. Parang unusual transmission line design siya with alternating dark and light colored wood:)
Post by: deist on Apr 07, 2014 at 10:37 AM
I don't know any woman who wouldn't support DIY, the trick is you do some DIY projects for the house as well and involve her in the process, let her think it was her idea. Para-paraan lang din ;D
Cheers!
Very well said sir deist... ;D
If you're into DIY talagang magastos, may kasamang pagod at kakain pa ng maraming oras, isama mo pa diyan ang wife if she gives the support you need.
Kanya kanya lang siguro..
Others are passionate about DIY and bang-for-buck, while others just have the money to spend and experiment and at the same time don't have the time or skills or effort to try to DIY.
But all said... I'm still with sir deist's side hehehe. Mabuhay DIY :)
Post by: deist on Apr 07, 2014 at 10:39 AM
Do you guys know of any individual who can make this kind of woodworks for my Mark Audio Alpair 7? :)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NVQujPOPx2c/TFofhycMvQI/AAAAAAAARyM/2FgDJzMN8bQ/s400/C-Horn_d.gif)
Post by: tony on Apr 07, 2014 at 11:11 AM
(https://www.passdiy.com/projects/images/content/kleinhorn2_2.png)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 07, 2014 at 11:22 AM
Nelson, i think the sidings and base is thick acrylic plates. Sonny will look for the dimensions. Parang unusual transmission line design siya with alternating dark and light colored wood:)
Pwede din thick acrylic. Pero in terms of hardness/stiffness, iba ang polycarbonate kasi gamit siya sa as panangga ng mga riot police.. There are times na nag-shallow cracking ang acrylic (same sa Jeep windows though probably due to sun exposure).
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 21, 2014 at 05:50 PM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5298/13943893382_c497d2e43e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nfb6GS) (https://flic.kr/p/nfb6GS)
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(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7346/13967096163_2796c822e8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nhe25P) (https://flic.kr/p/nhe25P)
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2903/13943961592_3ac08fe5db.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nfbrYU) (https://flic.kr/p/nfbrYU)
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Post by: Tsnad on Apr 21, 2014 at 05:56 PM
Post by: Gino on Apr 21, 2014 at 06:00 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 21, 2014 at 10:33 PM
Have completed an audio chain system (which I thought can't be done) all DIYed with the help of my audio friends and experts in their own fields - from NOS CDROM player, Aikido preamp w/ lightspeed potentiometer, tubed buffers, gainclone monoblocks, Mark Audio Speakers on Pensil enclosure, line conditioners, power noise filters, interconnects, power cables, speaker cables, acoustic panels ....... ^-^ :D 8)
Post by: Gino on Apr 21, 2014 at 10:49 PM
Post by: Cjtjader on Apr 21, 2014 at 11:36 PM
Post by: timber715 on Apr 21, 2014 at 11:57 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 22, 2014 at 02:24 AM
Assembled the drivers and the stuffings (added 2 more layers of compressed polyfill behind the drivers only to improve articulation of the bass).....and here it is in action.....
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5298/13943893382_c497d2e43e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nfb6GS) (https://flic.kr/p/nfb6GS)
Is the top wood for aesthetics only? I'm imagining it without the top wood accent but I guess it compliments the base's wood color.
Congrats!
Post by: timber715 on Apr 22, 2014 at 02:39 AM
Well one of the reason I gave it a top piece is bec sometimes we like to put stuff on top of the speakers.... ::) plus yes it complements the base better than without it.... At least in my point of view. ^-^
Is the top wood for aesthetics only? I'm imagining it without the top wood accent but I guess it compliments the base's wood color.
Congrats!
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 22, 2014 at 05:23 AM
May schedule na ba yung lechon?... Congrats brader, hope to hear those soon.....
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 22, 2014 at 05:27 AM
Well one of the reason I gave it a top piece is bec sometimes we like to put stuff on top of the speakers.... ::) plus yes it complements the base better than without it.... At least in my point of view. ^-^
Post by: deist on Apr 24, 2014 at 02:50 PM
Post by: deist on Apr 24, 2014 at 02:52 PM
Well one of the reason I gave it a top piece is bec sometimes we like to put stuff on top of the speakers.... ::) plus yes it complements the base better than without it.... At least in my point of view. ^-^
Post by: anchit on Apr 24, 2014 at 03:10 PM
Assembled the drivers and the stuffings (added 2 more layers of compressed polyfill behind the drivers only to improve articulation of the bass).....and here it is in action.....
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7346/13967096163_2796c822e8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nhe25P) (https://flic.kr/p/nhe25P)
I like the color! Congrats sir Joey. Its been a very interesting audio journey ha.
Hope to hear this some time.
Post by: Gino on Apr 24, 2014 at 03:29 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 24, 2014 at 04:51 PM
JoeyGS, BEAUTIFUUUUUUUULLLLL! 8)
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 24, 2014 at 04:51 PM
I like the color! Congrats sir Joey. Its been a very interesting audio journey ha.
Hope to hear this some time.
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 24, 2014 at 04:53 PM
Napakita na ba kay Mark ang mga ito? They really are something to be proud of.
Post by: deist on Apr 26, 2014 at 03:48 PM
Thanks. Kailan ka papasyal sa bahay para mapakinggan natin din ang. Mark Audio mo?
Post by: Cjtjader on Apr 26, 2014 at 08:29 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 27, 2014 at 08:38 AM
Daan ako sa inyo sir one of these days. Naging busy lately, was dragged by balikbayan relatives the past couple of weeks kung saan saan. Natengga din yung tube amp project ko.Text kita sir :)
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 27, 2014 at 08:39 AM
I missed the session the other night, joey! Picture pa lang, alam ko na maganda ang resulta. Congrats again, Amigo!
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 28, 2014 at 04:55 PM
http://theawesomer.com/unmonday-4-3l-speaker/194369/ (http://theawesomer.com/unmonday-4-3l-speaker/194369/)
Post by: deist on Apr 30, 2014 at 03:47 PM
Kinda OT but this shows another group is using Mark Audio Drivers in their new product ..... please watch:
http://theawesomer.com/unmonday-4-3l-speaker/194369/ (http://theawesomer.com/unmonday-4-3l-speaker/194369/)
Post by: deist on Apr 30, 2014 at 03:50 PM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7062/13885397300_536a08e30a_b.jpg)
Post by: RXV on Apr 30, 2014 at 03:54 PM
Also, what varnish did you use before? Glossy ba or matte lang?
Did you use wood sealer before the varnish?
Post by: deist on Apr 30, 2014 at 04:04 PM
It was a very thin coat of clear lacquer na glossy, a temporary finish sir.
Nice. What finish are you planning to do with it?
Also, what varnish did you use before? Glossy ba or matte lang?
Did you use wood sealer before the varnish?
Post by: deist on May 10, 2014 at 03:11 PM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7441/14150097304_590caa34d8_c.jpg)
Post by: Superman on May 10, 2014 at 03:22 PM
After two coats of oil & a lot of elbow grease, here's a phone cam pic. slowly getting there...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7441/14150097304_590caa34d8_c.jpg)
Wow very nice! What wood did you use here? Congrats!
Post by: monreq on May 10, 2014 at 03:46 PM
Stripped the varnish & will apply a new finish soon...hopefully ;DGanda namn ng woodcraftmanship. Pa PM namn saan at magkanu. Thanks.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7062/13885397300_536a08e30a_b.jpg)
Post by: deist on May 10, 2014 at 05:21 PM
Thanks!
Wow very nice! What wood did you use here? Congrats!
Post by: deist on May 10, 2014 at 05:26 PM
Costing: wood = 3.7k, carpenter labor = 2k, other materials = 2k & counting ;D
Ganda namn ng woodcraftmanship. Pa PM namn saan at magkanu. Thanks.
Post by: tony on May 10, 2014 at 05:43 PM
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Costing: wood = 3.7k, carpenter labor = 2k, other materials = 2k & counting ;D
considering the build quality, another bang for the buck speaker cabinet...
Post by: JoeyGS on May 10, 2014 at 07:01 PM
Lets hear this when the finishing is completed. I have a t-amp with battery powered power supply. Lets it and see how it goes.
Congratulations on a nice and affordable build!
After two coats of oil & a lot of elbow grease, here's a phone cam pic. slowly getting there...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7441/14150097304_590caa34d8_c.jpg)
Post by: deist on May 10, 2014 at 08:14 PM
considering the build quality, another bang for the buck speaker cabinet...
Post by: deist on May 10, 2014 at 08:18 PM
Alright!
Lets hear this when the finishing is completed. I have a t-amp with battery powered power supply. Lets it and see how it goes.
Congratulations on a nice and affordable build!
Post by: edrel sison on May 11, 2014 at 09:53 AM
Post by: monreq on May 11, 2014 at 10:28 AM
Hi sir. Tag team kami ng suking karpintero (he did cabinets & other wood works in our house). I bought all the materials. He did the wood cutting since i didnt have the right tools. We did the assembly together & im doing the finishing.Ang galing boss. Inspiring. :)
Costing: wood = 3.7k, carpenter labor = 2k, other materials = 2k & counting ;D
Post by: deist on May 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM
Thanks!
how's the amp build deist?
Post by: deist on May 12, 2014 at 11:16 AM
Ang galing boss. Inspiring. :)
Post by: Gino on May 12, 2014 at 11:25 AM
Post by: deist on May 12, 2014 at 11:28 AM
My speakers only need to look good at listening distances. We call that prop level detail ;)
Post by: tony on May 12, 2014 at 01:11 PM
my place is big enough for the two.....;) katuwaan lang.... >:D
Post by: sound garden on May 12, 2014 at 07:46 PM
it would be interesting to have a side by side comparison between the nirvana and the mark audio....Since we all love Full Range speaker. How about Audio Nirvana Standard 8 only, Mark Audio and Omega FR. No Audio Nirvana Neo. Its just for fun for a true hearted Full ranger. ;D At the end of the day lahat tayo masaya because of one reason. FR Rules......
my place is big enough for the two.....;) katuwaan lang.... >:D
Post by: wackiedoodle on May 12, 2014 at 08:11 PM
Since we all love Full Range speaker. How about Audio Nirvana Standard 8 only, Mark Audio and Omega FR. No Audio Nirvana Neo. Its just for fun for a true hearted Full ranger. ;D At the end of the day lahat tayo masaya because of one reason. FR Rules......
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WOW....
Post by: remington on May 13, 2014 at 08:35 AM
it would be interesting to have a side by side comparison between the nirvana and the mark audio....magandang katuwaan ito pag natuloy master and camaraderie narin at the same time ng mga full rangers!
my place is big enough for the two.....;) katuwaan lang.... >:D
Post by: deist on May 13, 2014 at 10:01 AM
magandang katuwaan ito pag natuloy master and camaraderie narin at the same time ng mga full rangers!
it would be interesting to have a side by side comparison between the nirvana and the mark audio....
my place is big enough for the two.....;) katuwaan lang.... >:D
Since we all love Full Range speaker. How about Audio Nirvana Standard 8 only, Mark Audio and Omega FR. No Audio Nirvana Neo. Its just for fun for a true hearted Full ranger. ;D At the end of the day lahat tayo masaya because of one reason. FR Rules......
Post by: timber715 on May 14, 2014 at 02:47 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on May 15, 2014 at 02:13 PM
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53435b70e4b0b65c5355e346/53435c9ee4b0258f115cb4a7/1396923580439/Alpair7%20(1%20of%203).jpg?format=300w)
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53435b70e4b0b65c5355e346/53435ccbe4b0f92a7a68a3f0/1396923624893/Alpair7%20(3%20of%203).jpg?format=750w)
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53435b70e4b0b65c5355e346/53435c1ee4b02233d746463b/1396923456985/f1972800.jpg?format=750w)
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53435b70e4b0b65c5355e346/53435c3ee4b0462745df6a5e/1396923514881/f2145472.jpg?format=750w)
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53435dd0e4b096595170b722/53435e11e4b02bd951e30bff/1396923947122/Alpair7%20(4%20of%204).jpg?format=750w)
http://www.cabotacoustics.com
Post by: JoeyGS on May 15, 2014 at 02:14 PM
http://www.cabotacoustics.com
Post by: Gino on May 15, 2014 at 02:21 PM
Post by: deist on May 15, 2014 at 02:39 PM
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53436040e4b089b274b0db70/534360a2e4b02cbd82d5cba8/1396924636456/Elm%20CHR70.jpg)
@timber - brader, yakang yaka mo ganitong worksmanship.
@JoeyGS - 100% agree. Dumadami talaga ang audio companies na gumagamit ng MA drivers, marami pa sa EU na hindi natin nakikita.
Post by: jjohnc on May 15, 2014 at 02:53 PM
The guys behind those beautiful speakers are Paul & Robert Burchell. Frequently sharing their work sa Mark Audio section over at DIYaudio. Below is my favorite from them, they call it "Hurricane" baffles. The story behind the name is; they got the wood from an old elm tree brought down by a hurricane in Virginia and were able to salvage a chunk. Sick grain patterns, just love it.Nice...
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53436040e4b089b274b0db70/534360a2e4b02cbd82d5cba8/1396924636456/Elm%20CHR70.jpg)
@timber - brader, yakang yaka mo ganitong worksmanship.
@JoeyGS - 100% agree. Dumadami talaga ang audio companies na gumagamit ng MA drivers, marami pa sa EU na hindi natin nakikita.
Post by: JoeyGS on May 15, 2014 at 03:15 PM
The guys behind those beautiful speakers are Paul & Robert Burchell. Frequently sharing their work sa Mark Audio section over at DIYaudio. Below is my favorite from them, they call it "Hurricane" baffles. The story behind the name is; they got the wood from an old elm tree brought down by a hurricane in Virginia and were able to salvage a chunk. Sick grain patterns, just love it.
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53436040e4b089b274b0db70/534360a2e4b02cbd82d5cba8/1396924636456/Elm%20CHR70.jpg)
@timber - brader, yakang yaka mo ganitong worksmanship.
@JoeyGS - 100% agree. Dumadami talaga ang audio companies na gumagamit ng MA drivers, marami pa sa EU na hindi natin nakikita.
Post by: timber715 on May 15, 2014 at 03:23 PM
Brader timber! Yung stands O!Similar dun sa ginagamit ko sa speakers ko yan. Open stands... Nakasubok na rin ako ng makapal at mabigat, mas gusto ko yung magaan. Seems mas maganda dynamics with lighter stands kasi, of course dapat walang added resonation.
Post by: timber715 on May 15, 2014 at 03:25 PM
Timber na Timber ang gawa. Right up your alley and taste.Yup, very much what I do and like.
Post by: m0b1u5 on May 15, 2014 at 04:19 PM
Post by: deist on May 15, 2014 at 09:14 PM
Gawa tayo ng Yolanda baffles .... sa akin driver ...... si timber gagawa ...... sino masusuply ng kahoy from Tacloban?
Post by: deist on May 15, 2014 at 09:17 PM
mga sirs, meron ba physical store na pwede mabilhan ng MA sa SG or through kay Neo lang talaga? I will be attending a conference next week dun kaso wala masyado time to roam around. I am looking at getting the Alpair 12P. Thanks.
Post by: m0b1u5 on May 15, 2014 at 11:36 PM
AFAIK, si Neo lang ang nagbebenta ng MA drivers sa Singapore. Pwede mo naman paki-usapan na i-deliver sa hotel mo, yung sa akin dineliver nya personally sa bahay namin sa SG without extra charge ;)
Thanks bro. Nagreply na sya sa email kaso he'll be flying out and wala sya pagdating ko. Medyo mataas pala price ng 12p, kapresyo nya na super 12 na AN cast frame. I already have the super 8 cast frame kasi. Gusto ko din sana masubukan MA.
Post by: deist on May 16, 2014 at 09:25 AM
Thanks bro. Nagreply na sya sa email kaso he'll be flying out and wala sya pagdating ko. Medyo mataas pala price ng 12p, kapresyo nya na super 12 na AN cast frame. I already have the super 8 cast frame kasi. Gusto ko din sana masubukan MA.
Post by: obsi on May 16, 2014 at 06:28 PM
Gawa tayo ng Yolanda baffles .... sa akin driver ...... si timber gagawa ...... sino masusuply ng kahoy from Tacloban?
serioso ka? mag uuwi ako ng hardwood flooring na Yolanda damaged...
Post by: JoeyGS on May 17, 2014 at 06:41 AM
serioso ka? mag uuwi ako ng hardwood flooring na Yolanda damaged...
Post by: deist on May 29, 2014 at 04:39 PM
Oo ba!
serioso ka? mag uuwi ako ng hardwood flooring na Yolanda damaged...
After six coatings & a considerable amount of elbow grease, here's a crappy phone cam pic:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2899/14109872578_d16a6552f7_c.jpg)
Post by: JoeyGS on May 29, 2014 at 10:01 PM
Post by: Gino on May 30, 2014 at 09:57 AM
Post by: deist on Jun 11, 2014 at 01:56 PM
Ang ganda deist.
Looking good!
Post by: Superman on Jun 11, 2014 at 01:58 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Jun 11, 2014 at 06:32 PM
Post by: alphaomega on Jul 27, 2014 at 07:36 AM
I got the drivers from JoeyGS a couple of weeks ago and he referred me to diy_master who built the enclosures - Maraming Salamat, Joey and Anthony, for your help on this!
And now the journey begins...Cheers!
(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o770/Monza2424/imagejpg1_zps8015ed76.jpg) (http://s1342.photobucket.com/user/Monza2424/media/imagejpg1_zps8015ed76.jpg.html)
(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o770/Monza2424/imagejpg1_zpseb63cee2.jpg) (http://s1342.photobucket.com/user/Monza2424/media/imagejpg1_zpseb63cee2.jpg.html)
(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o770/Monza2424/imagejpg2_zps97dc6943.jpg) (http://s1342.photobucket.com/user/Monza2424/media/imagejpg2_zps97dc6943.jpg.html)
Post by: JoeyGS on Jul 27, 2014 at 07:55 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Jul 27, 2014 at 07:56 AM
Post by: alphaomega on Jul 27, 2014 at 08:19 AM
Salamat ulit for sharing this new experience...really amazing speakers, lalo na considering the size of the drivers!
Ganda ng boses in Stacey Kent! Mabubuhay ulit yung vinyl and CDs ko! :)
Post by: Gino on Jul 27, 2014 at 08:22 AM
Post by: Cjtjader on Jul 27, 2014 at 09:37 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Jul 27, 2014 at 11:22 AM
Congrats, Mon! :) sama ako kay Joey ha!
Post by: JoeyGS on Jul 27, 2014 at 11:25 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Jul 27, 2014 at 01:46 PM
Surprisingly, those little buggers can withstand a lot of beatings.
Post by: Cjtjader on Jul 27, 2014 at 02:08 PM
Kailangan umpisahan anrin yung sa iyo.....
Very soon, brader Joey!:)
Post by: alphaomega on Jul 27, 2014 at 06:24 PM
Congrats, Mon! :) sama ako kay Joey ha!
Sure! Kaso nag lang baka SRO tayo...hehe
Post by: alphaomega on Jul 27, 2014 at 06:26 PM
Factory grade talaga gawa ni Anthony.
Oo, maganda ang pagkagawa in Anthony, very happy with the result!
Post by: alphaomega on Jul 27, 2014 at 06:26 PM
Very soon, brader Joey!:)
Go Cal! :-)
Post by: deist on Jul 28, 2014 at 11:32 AM
Sir Joey, set na natin!
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Post by: alphaomega on Jul 28, 2014 at 07:54 PM
Post by: Gino on Jul 28, 2014 at 08:00 PM
Post by: deist on Jul 28, 2014 at 11:59 PM
Ano ang cone diameter nito? As in yung cone mismo?
No problem sir. My room is also small. Kahit magkapalit-palit pa tayo ng mukha basta marinig lang & mag-enjoy ;)
Salamat Sir! Ok yan, problema lang is maliit yung kwarto ko...malamang SRO tayo, hehe... :)
Post by: obsi on Jul 29, 2014 at 11:47 PM
Congrats, Mon! :) sama ako kay Joey ha!
pwede maki tag along din? :)
Post by: alphaomega on Jul 31, 2014 at 09:45 PM
pwede maki tag along din? :)
Oks lang Sir...pero talagang nakatayo na lang tayo lahat..haha!
Post by: deist on Aug 01, 2014 at 09:40 AM
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Post by: RXV on Aug 01, 2014 at 11:31 AM
For me, I'm waiting for the Alpair7P (paper) release and reviews. Looks very promising.
Although you can't expect big bass out of it, midrange and highs are to die for.
So many drivers, so little time (and money) :)
Post by: RXV on Aug 01, 2014 at 11:34 AM
Post by: deist on Aug 01, 2014 at 01:29 PM
I'm also waiting for feedbacks on the 7P but I already have the 10P so i'm more interested in the Alpair 12PW(woofers) since I'm considering a F.A.S.T. build. One thing is for sure; with the release of several new MA drivers, I know now what I want for christmas ;D
Post by: deist on Aug 01, 2014 at 01:40 PM
I wonder how the Markaudio CHN-70 compares to the Alpair 6P (an older driver, but higher class; both paper cones)
Post by: RXV on Aug 01, 2014 at 01:46 PM
@RXV - agree, aimed at DIYers who want to try FR drivers, at half the price of the Alpair 7.3 this is very good to experiment with. The surface mount design of the frame makes for easier build, mas madali magbutas ng baffle ;)
I'm also waiting for feedbacks on the 7P but I already have the 10P so i'm more interested in the Alpair 12BW(woofers) since I'm considering a F.A.S.T. build. One thing is for sure; with the release of several new MA drivers, I know now what I want for christmas ;D
Yun na rin naisip ko, F.A.S.T. build. Naku gastos na naman yan. At bagong enclosure na naman, hindi ko pa nga tapos yung isa :)
Post by: deist on Aug 02, 2014 at 10:57 AM
Yun na rin naisip ko, F.A.S.T. build. Naku gastos na naman yan. At bagong enclosure na naman, hindi ko pa nga tapos yung isa :)
Post by: Gino on Aug 02, 2014 at 11:19 AM
Post by: obsi on Aug 02, 2014 at 12:34 PM
Oks lang Sir...pero talagang nakatayo na lang tayo lahat..haha!
Ok na sanay na kami mag kandungan :)
Post by: deist on Aug 04, 2014 at 11:58 AM
Magandang project ito. Looks like a good candidate for a small bookshelf. Ok din pang Frugel box.
Post by: Gino on Aug 04, 2014 at 12:19 PM
Post by: RXV on Aug 04, 2014 at 01:12 PM
Mababa pala sensitivity. Almost 87db/1w/1m. No can do with my tube amps.
Kaya naman sir Gino. My Alpair 7 is only 85db sensitivity, ok naman siya for my bedroom use with my 3.5w tubey. But casual/critical listening lang siyempre (at 2 meters away listening distance). But you're right: A beefier amp will be needed for better dynamics.
IMO, recommended for near field/computer desktop listening, especially when paired with a sub for the lows.
Post by: deist on Aug 04, 2014 at 03:27 PM
Kaya naman sir Gino. My Alpair 7 is only 85db sensitivity, ok naman siya for my bedroom use with my 3.5w tubey. But casual/critical listening lang siyempre (at 2 meters away listening distance). But you're right: A beefier amp will be needed for better dynamics.
IMO, recommended for near field/computer desktop listening, especially when paired with a sub for the lows.
Post by: Gino on Aug 04, 2014 at 05:21 PM
Post by: deist on Aug 04, 2014 at 06:05 PM
My experience is different. My 88db Denons are so so with my 10W T-amp and 3.5W Appj tube amp. Mas bagay yung 93db Fostex 4"er ko.
Post by: Gino on Aug 04, 2014 at 06:17 PM
Post by: RXV on Aug 04, 2014 at 06:21 PM
My experience is different. My 88db Denons are so so with my 10W T-amp and 3.5W Appj tube amp. Mas bagay yung 93db Fostex 4"er ko.
Haha defintiely mas bagay yung Fostex, other than the higher sensitivity, hindi kasi dumadaan sa crossover yung fullrange driver e, so walang power/signal degradation.
But narinig ko na Denon mo ah, and it also sounds sweet. Pero sa dynamics nga baka mabitin especially when listening far away from your speakers.
Also, have you tried tube-rolling your 12AX7? Sarap magtube-rolling. If you thought your stock APPJ is already sweet, wait 'till you put in a NOS tube.. :)
@Deist
Sir Gino's Denons are 2-way bookshelves
Post by: Gino on Aug 04, 2014 at 06:59 PM
This CHN70 I think will match the 100W class D amps on ebay. Indeed Hi-Fi Labs has an interesting one. I was about to buy one until I decided to build around the APPJ tube amp instead.
Post by: deist on Aug 04, 2014 at 07:40 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 05, 2014 at 06:40 AM
The CHN-70 is 18watts nominal, 100watter amps would be an overkill I think. One thing I've learned about full range drivers is; efficiency, though critical in considering the amps to pair your speakers with, it is just 1 line item in the T/S parameters containing data which gives meaning to the behavior of a driver.
I thought so too, but we tried a small, conservatively rated 200W version of the honey badger amp with the hopes of destroying a CHR-70 and it somehow survived. :)
Post by: tony on Aug 05, 2014 at 07:57 AM
The CHN-70 is 18watts nominal, 100watter amps would be an overkill I think. One thing I've learned about full range drivers is; efficiency, though critical in considering the amps to pair your speakers with, it is just 1 line item in the T/S parameters containing data which gives meaning to the behavior of a driver.
as long as the sound does not break up/distort,
a higher powered amp would not be a problem...
like i always say, i stopped counting the amplifier watts a long time ago...
Post by: deist on Aug 05, 2014 at 10:03 AM
Pinoydvd is still predominantly an HT forum where most members buy off the shelf items, some might not even know what "clipping" is, some doesn't have a dedicated listening room and kids can easily access the setup, most doesn't know what a full range driver is or never heard of one. And when they do decide to try FRs, it will more than likely to be used in HT as well, and we all know when watching movies the louder it goes the better the impact esp with our favorite action/superhero/sci-fi flicks. The risk of mishandling the drivers is higher. I wouldn't want to be quoted as someone who said "these drivers can take a beating" ;D baka sabihin pa yan pag nagdecide mag-claim ng warranty hehe
Post by: RXV on Aug 05, 2014 at 10:57 AM
Sirs, there's someone in the world.wide.web who did destroy his CHR-70, you will see him bashing MA drivers in every forum he's registered in, calling the drivers "flimsy" & will only give "a hint of hifi". He started his barrage of criticisms in diyaudio a few years back. But it was clear that the case was more of a user defect rather than the product's :)
Pinoydvd is still predominantly an HT forum where most members buy off the shelf items, some might not even know what "clipping" is, some doesn't have a dedicated listening room and kids can easily access the setup, most doesn't know what a full range driver is or never heard of one. And when they do decide to try FRs, it will more than likely to be used in HT as well, and we all know when watching movies the louder it goes the better the impact esp with our favorite action/superhero/sci-fi flicks. The risk of mishandling the drivers is higher. I wouldn't want to be quoted as someone who said "these drivers can take a beating" ;D baka sabihin pa yan pag nagdecide mag-claim ng warranty hehe
You're right, based on the forums, that's the reason why Mark Fenlon put arrestor modules into his current and new drivers (as seen in the spec sheets) , to protect against any over-excursion if the need arises.
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 05, 2014 at 02:39 PM
I won't say that you need 150w/ch for these drivers. I am just lucky I can still handle the drivers with care even with a 150w/ch power amp by just not overdoing it. I believe that 20 - 50 watts will be enough provided it has good damping factor for solid state amps. Tube power amps will also do good at lower wattage since we all know that generally tubes amp provide good damping factor.
Just my opinion.... YMMV
Post by: joesat on Aug 05, 2014 at 06:24 PM
Post by: RXV on Aug 05, 2014 at 07:49 PM
Post by: deist on Aug 05, 2014 at 09:08 PM
But I suggest you wait a few months for the release of the new Alpair 7P or even the Alpair 8 and wait for reviews to come pouring in.
Any thoughts on 12P..i might purchase a pair soon.. :)
+1 :)
12P has better bass extension than 10P. But overall reviews in the net favor the 10P in terms of balanced bass, mids and highs, that's why I chose the 10P. The 12P has softer highs which you may or may not like (depending on your taste)
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 05, 2014 at 09:21 PM
Sirs, there's someone in the world.wide.web who did destroy his CHR-70, you will see him bashing MA drivers in every forum he's registered in, calling the drivers "flimsy" & will only give "a hint of hifi". He started his barrage of criticisms in diyaudio a few years back. But it was clear that the case was more of a user defect rather than the product's :)
Pinoydvd is still predominantly an HT forum where most members buy off the shelf items, some might not even know what "clipping" is, some doesn't have a dedicated listening room and kids can easily access the setup, most doesn't know what a full range driver is or never heard of one. And when they do decide to try FRs, it will more than likely to be used in HT as well, and we all know when watching movies the louder it goes the better the impact esp with our favorite action/superhero/sci-fi flicks. The risk of mishandling the drivers is higher. I wouldn't want to be quoted as someone who said "these drivers can take a beating" ;D baka sabihin pa yan pag nagdecide mag-claim ng warranty hehe
That's been taken cared of already, however, once it's out on the net it's there forever so...
Anyway, the MA drivers are intended for the home hi-fi scene rather than for HT. I wouldn't recommend these drivers for HT use, imho. But for the audio enthusiast, it's worth to try if going FR is a path one wants to take.
I'm not saying it is indestructible, but for our in-house testing it is necessary to try it out with amps whose output ranges from a measly Watt up to several hundreds.
I'm guessing I need to post a disclaimer too. ;D
Post by: joesat on Aug 06, 2014 at 02:22 AM
12P has better bass extension than 10P. But overall reviews in the net favor the 10P in terms of balanced bass, mids and highs, that's why I chose the 10P. The 12P has softer highs which you may or may not like (depending on your taste)
hehe ganun ba sir?kakabili ko lang from neo ng 12p..tingnan ko nlng kung anong dating ng SQ sakin. anyways nasa sis ko pa sa singapore so di ko pa matry sa ngayon..planning to build a BS enclosure for this and bi wire connect from my amp with my AN Floorstander...sana nga maganda kalabasan nito...AN+MA combo..
Post by: RXV on Aug 06, 2014 at 09:13 AM
hehe ganun ba sir?kakabili ko lang from neo ng 12p..tingnan ko nlng kung anong dating ng SQ sakin. anyways nasa sis ko pa sa singapore so di ko pa matry sa ngayon..planning to build a BS enclosure for this and bi wire connect from my amp with my AN Floorstander...sana nga maganda kalabasan nito...AN+MA combo..
I recommend building a Pensil Floorstander for your 12P, sayang naman ang bass extension niya kung BS lang. Kung BS plan mo, sana Alpair7 na lang kinuha mo.
Do you plan on playing the AN and MA simultaneously? Although the AN is also very good, they have a different sound signature with MA, so it might not blend in nicely. Pero experiment mo na lang, it might be good to your ears.
I played an Alpair10P (paper) along with an Alpair7.3 (metal) when I was burning them in at the same time, and the sonics were different (but really, not bad at all :) )
Post by: camoteque on Aug 06, 2014 at 10:21 AM
IMO, kung dalawang driver and gagamitin, better to use a true woofer mated with a fullranger and the necessary (evil ha ha ha!) crossover.
Pasensya na kung nangingielam. :)
Post by: deist on Aug 06, 2014 at 11:56 AM
hehe ganun ba sir?kakabili ko lang from neo ng 12p..tingnan ko nlng kung anong dating ng SQ sakin. anyways nasa sis ko pa sa singapore so di ko pa matry sa ngayon..planning to build a BS enclosure for this and bi wire connect from my amp with my AN Floorstander...sana nga maganda kalabasan nito...AN+MA combo..
+1
Why use two full rangers? Is it because a single FR can't produce the desired bandwidth? Sayang lang ang point source advantage di ba if you use two? Besides, mag-iiba ang impedance seen by the amp when you parallel connect two drivers. Take note also of the difference in efficiencies of the two drivers.
IMO, kung dalawang driver and gagamitin, better to use a true woofer mated with a fullranger and the necessary (evil ha ha ha!) crossover.
Pasensya na kung nangingielam. :)
Post by: RXV on Aug 06, 2014 at 02:34 PM
Why use two full rangers? Is it because a single FR can't produce the desired bandwidth? Sayang lang ang point source advantage di ba if you use two? Besides, mag-iiba ang impedance seen by the amp when you parallel connect two drivers. Take note also of the difference in efficiencies of the two drivers.
IMO, kung dalawang driver and gagamitin, better to use a true woofer mated with a fullranger and the necessary (evil ha ha ha!) crossover.
Pasensya na kung nangingielam. :)
+1
Post by: joesat on Aug 06, 2014 at 02:52 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 06, 2014 at 09:04 PM
Why use two full rangers?
Why not? >:D
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Is it because a single FR can't produce the desired bandwidth?
If that's the case, better not use that driver. ;D
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Sayang lang ang point source advantage di ba if you use two?
I'm curious bro, in your opinion, is it a make or break in a design decision?
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Besides, mag-iiba ang impedance seen by the amp when you parallel connect two drivers. Take note also of the difference in efficiencies of the two drivers.
This wouldn't be much of a problem if the amp can withstand it naman.
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IMO, kung dalawang driver and gagamitin, better to use a true woofer mated with a fullranger and the necessary (evil ha ha ha!) crossover.
Ganito sana ang gusto ko gawin, with separate volumes for the FR and a Dynaudio woofer. Pero nagiging complicated na kasi in my mind gusto ko powered yun woofer with it's own electronic crossover to eliminate the "evil" thing. ;D
Parang lalabas yata sub na yun woofer. ::)
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Pasensya na kung nangingielam. :)
Di naman tayo siguro mapapagalitan. ;D
Post by: RXV on Aug 06, 2014 at 10:19 PM
Although a fullrange is supposed to reproduce the entire bandwith of human hearing (in theory and specs), I still haven't heard or experience a single FR that can reproduce the entire human hearing bandwidth perfectly. No driver is perfect naman, I understand that.
Two sets of speakers in parallel connected to a tube amp can be done naman, but the question for me is more of the mismatch with regards to the sensitivity of each driver as well as the sonics (signature sound) of each driver, magkakahalo-halo na, at baka masapawan ng isang driver yung isa (just like having two different ported subs played simultaneously, hindi sabay ang tunog/timpla).
A fullrange mated with a woofer is actually very viable. That's why Mark Fenlon currently created the new A12BW, a true woofer dedicated to handle the lows while being sonically matched with his current drivers (and aesthetically too). Yun lang nga, I don't know about using a crossover.
But to each his own nga, I respect that. Naexperience ko rin to run two different Alpairs simultaneously (while burning them in before), and it's actually not that bad hehe. pero iba pa rin siyempre ang 1 set lang for critical listening.
Post by: deist on Aug 07, 2014 at 12:56 AM
Post by: joesat on Aug 07, 2014 at 01:29 AM
Post by: deist on Aug 07, 2014 at 01:39 AM
Post by: joesat on Aug 07, 2014 at 02:53 AM
Naexperience ko rin to run two different Alpairs simultaneously (while burning them in before), and it's actually not that bad hehe.
^with this statement, may pag asang gumanda project ko..heheh
Post by: camoteque on Aug 07, 2014 at 09:49 AM
The only benefit I see from using 2 sets of FR drivers simultaneously without using any form of crossover = SPL.
Correct! Pero kung malayo ang difference sa SPL ng dalawang drivers baka hindi mo rin gaano madinig. For example nasa 95db up yung isang driver at yung isa naman ay nasa 88db lang. But then again you loose the point-source advantage. Isa pa, kung maganda na response nung isang driver tapos sinamahan mo ng isang peaky ang frequency response, baka mas pangit pa lumabas.
Pero kung nasa possession mo na ang dalawang drivers, maganda na subukan na rin kung magustuhan. Ha ha!
Post by: camoteque on Aug 07, 2014 at 10:13 AM
Why not? >:D
If that's the case, better not use that driver. ;D
Actually yun din ang point ko.
I'm curious bro, in your opinion, is it a make or break in a design decision?
It depends. I don't see it much in full range forums that they use two full rangers (with different parameters at that) simultaneously. It defeats the purpose, IMO.
This wouldn't be much of a problem if the amp can withstand it naman.
Ganito sana ang gusto ko gawin, with separate volumes for the FR and a Dynaudio woofer. Pero nagiging complicated na kasi in my mind gusto ko powered yun woofer with it's own electronic crossover to eliminate the "evil" thing. ;D
Parang lalabas yata sub na yun woofer. ::)
IMO, this is the better approach. Design the crossover (if passive) based on the woofer and the FR specs to be used. Mas madali sa active xover dahil you can tailor the response you want. Mas gagaang pa nga trabaho ng FR kasi it need not operate in the frequency na mahina siya. Mas liliit pa ang kahon ng FR gaya ng approach ni Gino if I'm not mistaken.
Di naman tayo siguro mapapagalitan.
Sana nga! HA HA ;D
JojoD,
Just want you to know that I still enjoy using the linestage and phonostage (in one) that you made for me several years ago. I just replaced the 12au7 tubes with 12BH7 which to my ears is better sounding in my system.
Larry
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 07, 2014 at 10:56 AM
Pasensya na po di ako marunong mag-"quote" kaya ang response pumasok din loob.
JojoD,
Just want you to know that I still enjoy using the linestage and phonostage (in one) that you made for me several years ago. I just replaced the 12au7 tubes with 12BH7 which to my ears is better sounding in my system.
Larry
Larry,
Glad to hear that bro. :)
As for my MA+woofer dilemma, you mean to passively cross the MA driver also? O should I just rely on it's own cutoff?
Too unpredictable siguro ano?
Btw, the reason I opted for an active xover for the woofer is because I want to cross it where the MA falls to it's -3dB. So in effect the woofer reinforces the MA on the bass region. Pag mag passive ako and the frequency is low masyado lalaki ang coil specs which will make the "evil" more evilish diba? ;D
Di tayo mapapagalitan dito. ;) ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 07, 2014 at 11:06 AM
For me, using two fullrange drivers (different brand/model/type) simultaneously defeats the purpose of the point source imaging of a fullrange's characteristics. Pwede naman sa pwede kung trip, but why do it? Sana nag bi-poles ka na lang or multi-speakers like the Bose enclosures kung ganun.
Although a fullrange is supposed to reproduce the entire bandwith of human hearing (in theory and specs), I still haven't heard or experience a single FR that can reproduce the entire human hearing bandwidth perfectly. No driver is perfect naman, I understand that.
Two sets of speakers in parallel connected to a tube amp can be done naman, but the question for me is more of the mismatch with regards to the sensitivity of each driver as well as the sonics (signature sound) of each driver, magkakahalo-halo na, at baka masapawan ng isang driver yung isa (just like having two different ported subs played simultaneously, hindi sabay ang tunog/timpla).
A fullrange mated with a woofer is actually very viable. That's why Mark Fenlon currently created the new A12BW, a true woofer dedicated to handle the lows while being sonically matched with his current drivers (and aesthetically too). Yun lang nga, I don't know about using a crossover.
But to each his own nga, I respect that. Naexperience ko rin to run two different Alpairs simultaneously (while burning them in before), and it's actually not that bad hehe. pero iba pa rin siyempre ang 1 set lang for critical listening.
Would point source be totally lost with a two driver FR system? It's starting to sound like a severely dreaded thing to do from a FR perspective.
I've been using FR drivers too, my very first speakers are FRs naman and I enjoyed them but like you said, may pagka bitin talaga ang bandwidth especially in the extreme ends. The solution on the lower end is to design the box to maximize the bass which tends to be as big as a small vintage cabinet.
Kapag mismatch in sensitivities na paguusapan then that's it already. No two drivers are alike. Even the solid rocket boosters of the space shuttle are not completely alike - rocket science pa yun. This makes the single vs dual driver argument sound more like a purists argument rather than a technical one.
Wow so may woofers na pala... sana pati tweeters maglabas na din siya.
To each his own, I agree. Respect.
Cheers
Post by: camoteque on Aug 07, 2014 at 11:10 AM
Larry,
Glad to hear that bro. :)
As for my MA+woofer dilemma, you mean to passively cross the MA driver also? O should I just rely on it's own cutoff?
Too unpredictable siguro ano?
Btw, the reason I opted for an active xover for the woofer is because I want to cross it where the MA falls to it's -3dB. So in effect the woofer reinforces the MA on the bass region. Pag mag passive ako and the frequency is low masyado lalaki ang coil specs which will make the "evil" more evilish diba? ;D
Di tayo mapapagalitan dito. ;) ;D
Mas maganda nga kung natural roll-off lang sana ng MA para wala na additional passive components. Better if you are able to measure the MA's performance in your room para makita mo kung saan siya nagroroll-off.
Kung gusto mo mag-trial and error without buying too many components, I have a two-way MiniDsp that I can loan you. I can try to send the accompanying software to you also. Pag nakuha mo na yung gusto mong SQ based sa frequency cut-off na napili mo, pwede ka na gumawa ng passive xover. PM me if you're interested.
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 07, 2014 at 02:11 PM
Mas maganda nga kung natural roll-off lang sana ng MA para wala na additional passive components. Better if you are able to measure the MA's performance in your room para makita mo kung saan siya nagroroll-off.
Kung gusto mo mag-trial and error without buying too many components, I have a two-way MiniDsp that I can loan you. I can try to send the accompanying software to you also. Pag nakuha mo na yung gusto mong SQ based sa frequency cut-off na napili mo, pwede ka na gumawa ng passive xover. PM me if you're interested.
That's the plan sana bro, no xover for the FR, only the woofer has it, either passive or active kung gagawin ko powered. The FR has to be in it's proper box volume pa din but will end up like a sub-sat system na yata pag powered yun woofer.
Kung ganyan ang setup, ok kaya? Am I missing anything? Pros and Cons sort of thing.
Thanks for the offer bro, I do have access to a mic-rta rig at the moment but will let you know just in case. :)
TIA
Jojo
Post by: deist on Aug 18, 2014 at 01:31 PM
http://youtu.be/QT_7SzKpSKk (http://youtu.be/QT_7SzKpSKk)
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 19, 2014 at 01:47 PM
I feel that the this speakers can present the character of your sources, especially in my case where I am currently tweaking my digital source. Each tweak I make is now apparent with the help of this transparent speakers. I can easily spot the differences whenever I change something in the audio chain.
I wonder what will happen when it reaches the 400 hour mark ....... Mark Fenlon and his friends over at diyaudio has indicated that the full potential of the speakers will be revealed when it reaches the 400 hour mark......
For those who have ventured with mark audio drivers, be patient until the drivers reach the 400 hour mark ...... Happy listening.....
Post by: deist on Aug 19, 2014 at 03:00 PM
I'm guessing others are having second thoughts on the capabilities of MA drivers SPL wise because of the small cone size, well it can easily fill my 18sqm home office room without effort. Lastly, the small diameter of the cone also means a bigger sweet spot 8)
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 19, 2014 at 03:26 PM
As Mark quoted for the Alpair 12pw:
Please remember the 12PW remains a light-duty driver. Those into "head-banging", "continuous rock-un roll" or intent on ear drum damage, the 12PW is NOT the driver for you. If however, you want to go low and get a serious audiophile quality sound where you can easily tell the audible difference between a double-bass and a bass-guitar when both instruments are oscillating at <40 cycles, this IS the driver for you.
The new Alpair 7P in action.
http://youtu.be/QT_7SzKpSKk (http://youtu.be/QT_7SzKpSKk)
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 19, 2014 at 03:29 PM
^ very well said sir Joey. It's great that you can put into words your experience with these drivers eloquently, all I can add now is: " I share the same experience!" ;D >:D
I'm guessing others are having second thoughts on the capabilities of MA drivers SPL wise because of the small cone size, well it can easily fill my 18sqm home office room without effort. Lastly, the small diameter of the cone also means a bigger sweet spot 8)
Post by: deist on Aug 20, 2014 at 11:00 AM
We should schedule the long overdue listening session ...... ang lapit na natin .... di pa natin maituloy ... hehehe
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM
You got PM...sa viber ;)
Post by: deist on Aug 21, 2014 at 11:50 AM
And don't get me started with his records & CD collection in several carts & racks occupying half of the room. And yes, more records stacked in about 6 feet high racks in the living room 8) O0
We started by playing high resolution lossless files via PC & his MA dual CHR-70A in pensil enclosure, those little buggers can SING! and sing LOUD! Couldn't believe the quality of sound we're getting out of those 4inchers.
Then we tried my MA Alpair 10P in pensil cabinets, first with lossless files - Audiophile voices etc, we moved to CDs - Lush Life by John Coltrane, Diana Kralls' Love Scenes, Toto, Ella & Louis, etc. Then an assortment of records with the Luxman TT.
After trying out 3 different type of sources I must say the KING & will remain in the throne for a long time is still ANALOG! It gives a presence which can't be rivaled by lossless files & CDs, it paints a picture of you in the same room with the artists playing. The music just comes out more "alive" & the impact is just soothing to the senses.
The MAs performed well & I honestly believe the quality of sound I heard last night was simply phenomenal especially when you take into consideration the total cost of the speaker build. We were all smiling the whole time and then Sir Joey put on the record - "Moonlight Serenade" by Ray Brown & Laurindo Almeida. Sir Joey, just when Ray Brown was about to start his bass solo shushed us saying; "Eto na hinihintay natin", Sir Ed stopped browsing thru records and remained motionless then at the end of the track quipped "Yan ang recording"...And me, it almost brought tears to my eyes ^-^
Till next time Sir Joey & thank you for the hospitality. Sarap tumambay sa listening room mo.
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 21, 2014 at 09:53 PM
I was surprised when you brought along your 10p and I was glad you did. I think the 10p is a good size for my room 8) O0
One thing I have confirmed is that Mark Audio (MA) drivers when built properly will bring out the character of your audio chain system. MA drivers are quite transparent, not boxy and is similar to magnetic planars or electrostatics in sound character. It's fast and quick which gives you the PRAT and SPL, even with relatively small drivers. The sound is soothing and free flowing without strain, enjoying volume levels that would fill the room realizing full size image of the singers and the instruments. And you are right that among the sources we used, vinyl is KING.......
We ended with you knowing what your 10p can do and leaving with a huge but good problem ..... >:D >:D >:D
I too also have learned a thing or too and will continue to progress into improving my set-up.
Music with analog instruments + MA speakers + analog source = natural analogue music!
Til the next session.......
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:00 PM
Post by: Cjtjader on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:36 PM
BTW, someone out there told me na sana ma-describe mo daw what you heard during the session..... Hehehe
+1 :)
Post by: Cjtjader on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:47 PM
Post by: deist on Aug 22, 2014 at 10:29 AM
Let's start with soundstaging, to simply put it the MAs produce a large soundstage, you will hear layers upon layers of sound and quite a vivid imaging. First: the Vocalist, she/he was always in the middle with the other members in places where they should be; in Diana Krall's Love Scenes, first track - "All or Nothing", a pronounced 14 second bass line intro coming from the sides, recessed, then when Diana Krall sang the first line, the first word seemed to come out like a shout but for me it's more like a purposeful introduction to the power of her voice. And throughout, the vocalist was in complete control & ever so slightly just giving way to band members' solos.
The drums, what is considered as the most "impactful" instrument in a band. I chose Toto's tracks Rosanna & Africa to demonstrate this. In the track "Africa" there's a drum roll right before the chorus, I clearly heard & felt how the drummer (Keith Carlock or was it Jeff Porcaro?) navigated his sticks from the snares - high tom - middle tom - floor tom - then to the cymbals and the MAs presented it from left side of the room to the right, then the ride+crash cymbals on each side at the same time.
Guitar & bass; for this Sir Ed wanted to try "Moonlight Serenade" a jazz duet by bass player Ray Brown & guitarist Laurindo Almeida. He described Almeida's playing here as "precise" in a swiss watch like manner. And true to that, I didn't hear a miscalculation or a finger accidentally touching any of the fret bars. Ray Brown's breathtaking solos filled the room with a strong presence, full, rich and lots of bottom end.
To sum it up, I realized that there wasn't anything missing in the sound, if not for a bit more low end for more impact. But throughout the whole session it was there, the bass is not too loose & not too tight but coherent. Forget about tweeters of any kind, the sparkle in the Alpair 10P's highs covers frequencies well beyond what a human ear can hear but in a finessed and in a not "screechy" manner.
Hope this helps, guys :)
BTW, someone out there told me na sana ma-describe mo daw what you heard during the session..... Hehehe
Post by: Gino on Aug 22, 2014 at 10:36 AM
Post by: deist on Aug 22, 2014 at 10:38 AM
I've witnessed JoeyGS's audio journey, from LSA1 to ViennaAcoustic to Living Voice to Maggies+dualSubs, and al i can say is that Mark Audio dual driver project beats them all! Congratulations, Joey! Cheers! 8) 8)
Post by: deist on Aug 22, 2014 at 10:47 AM
First, your current speaker placement is a meter or 2 away from the walls (a requirement for FHs) and second; you like tilting the speakers a bit with good results (a natural in FHs design).
Just saying >:D
I was surprised when you brought along your 10p and I was glad you did. I think the 10p is a good size for my room 8) O0
Post by: deist on Aug 22, 2014 at 10:51 AM
Sir Joey & I were discussing na sana makabisita din si Sir JojoD nang marinig naman nya ang kanyang masterpieces. That room is a perfect showroom for JDLabs 8)
What you don't hear the brain perceives as presence. That is the foundation of imaging. Good session you guys had. Well, can't really expect less for such top quality research and work.
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 22, 2014 at 11:30 AM
As for the tilting, you may have noticed that most of the finished products are with wooden bases and probably with spikes (plus they use couches that are low) which puts the drivers at proper ear level. In my case my seat is regular height which makes the driver lower and makes the singers image dwarfed. The tilting fixes it and makes the images lifelike.
Sir Joey, when I was driving on my way home that night I realized that the Alpair 10P in FHXL would be perfect for your room!
First, your current speaker placement is a meter or 2 away from the walls (a requirement for FHs) and second; you like tilting the speakers a bit with good results (a natural in FHs design).
Just saying >:D
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 22, 2014 at 11:33 AM
Plus .... we should fire up Jojo's butt to build his own MA speaker pair. He has the tools pa nga eh. He has the driver just sitting in the box .... sayang and he is not getting any younger to enjoy Mark's creation!
It was a good session indeed, sana more to come hehehe
Sir Joey & I were discussing na sana makabisita din si Sir JojoD nang marinig naman nya ang kanyang masterpieces. That room is a perfect showroom for JDLabs 8)
Post by: Gino on Aug 22, 2014 at 11:46 AM
Kung may all-axis motorized stand lang sana, we can tune sound like we do treble and bass.
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM
Tama that you played with tilt. It has a profound effect just like toe-in. You tweak cone sound dispersion. You also tweak reflected sound.
Kung may all-axis motorized stand lang sana, we can tune sound like we do treble and bass.
Post by: Gino on Aug 22, 2014 at 12:15 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 22, 2014 at 12:18 PM
A tablet app that shows room layout will be cool.
Post by: deist on Aug 23, 2014 at 08:37 AM
My vote still goes to the FHXL, if only I have the room where it can sing beautifully. Even Mark was astounded by how low it can go & the DDR the 10P can produce in the FHXL, interchangeable pa ang 10P & 10.3M sa FHXL enclosure. Ihanap na lang ng kaya gumawa nung box eg; Anthony :)
Pensils & Bob Brines M10A10 are both MLTLs though different in designs pero parang same flavor ng sound while FH is quarter wave horn and a sexy one aesthetically if I may say so ;)
But whatever enclosure you choose we know you won't be disappointed 8)
The FHXL might be a pain to build (unless just order the flatpack 8)) ..... The pensil is quite sufficient for simplification and build economy. Another thing .... Bob Brine's MLTL is highly regarded for the Alpair 10p too and the plans are paypal away ... ^-^ plus as discussed, just mail the oval panel O0
Post by: Cjtjader on Aug 23, 2014 at 09:00 AM
I knew someone is bound to ask this question :)
Let's start with soundstaging, to simply put it the MAs produce a large soundstage, you will hear layers upon layers of sound and quite a vivid imaging. First: the Vocalist, she/he was always in the middle with the other members in places where they should be; in Diana Krall's Love Scenes, first track - "All or Nothing", a pronounced 14 second bass line intro coming from the sides, recessed, then when Diana Krall sang the first line, the first word seemed to come out like a shout but for me it's more like a purposeful introduction to the power of her voice. And throughout, the vocalist was in complete control & ever so slightly just giving way to band members' solos.
The drums, what is considered as the most "impactful" instrument in a band. I chose Toto's tracks Rosanna & Africa to demonstrate this. In the track "Africa" there's a drum roll right before the chorus, I clearly heard & felt how the drummer (Keith Carlock or was it Jeff Porcaro?) navigated his sticks from the snares - high tom - middle tom - floor tom - then to the cymbals and the MAs presented it from left side of the room to the right, then the ride+crash cymbals on each side at the same time.
Guitar & bass; for this Sir Ed wanted to try "Moonlight Serenade" a jazz duet by bass player Ray Brown & guitarist Laurindo Almeida. He described Almeida's playing here as "precise" in a swiss watch like manner. And true to that, I didn't hear a miscalculation or a finger accidentally touching any of the fret bars. Ray Brown's breathtaking solos filled the room with a strong presence, full, rich and lots of bottom end.
To sum it up, I realized that there wasn't anything missing in the sound, if not for a bit more low end for more impact. But throughout the whole session it was there, the bass is not too loose & not too tight but coherent. Forget about tweeters of any kind, the sparkle in the Alpair 10P's highs covers frequencies well beyond what a human ear can hear but in a finessed and in a not "screechy" manner.
Hope this helps, guys :)
Your observation validates mine! :-)......
@joeygs..
Hope thwre would be another session soon?.....another run of cables ia ready for handover! :)
Post by: Cjtjader on Aug 23, 2014 at 09:01 AM
This is what I have noticed too. I came to a conclusion that his room has gone thru a long audio journey with each item there selected and hand picked from years (or even decades ;D) of listening experience. I also knew the MAs won the battle seeing the pair of Maggies in one corner semi-retired and gathering dust :D
Not only with speakers....cables too...hihihi
Post by: Cjtjader on Aug 23, 2014 at 09:04 AM
Oo nga eh......and he's getting bigger too :p
Plus .... we should fire up Jojo's butt to build his own MA speaker pair. He has the tools pa nga eh. He has the driver just sitting in the box .... sayang and he is not getting any younger to enjoy Mark's creation!
Post by: deist on Aug 23, 2014 at 11:14 AM
Not only with speakers....cables too...hihihi
Post by: Cjtjader on Aug 23, 2014 at 11:20 AM
Correct! speaking of cables....are you guys planning to bring in the silver speaker cables again? i'm interested ;D
If its the colored green and yellow, yes!:)
Post by: deist on Aug 23, 2014 at 02:00 PM
If its the colored green and yellow, yes!:)
Post by: Cjtjader on Aug 24, 2014 at 05:00 PM
Great! pls count me in :)Sure, bro! :)
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 02, 2014 at 03:04 PM
(http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/LXmini-inroom-2.jpg)
(http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/LXmini-closeup.jpg)
A guy started tinkering around already with the CHR 70.3.
(http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attachments/markaudio/436144d1409545789-another-use-chr-70iii-chr-70iii.jpg)
They call this the LXmini, designed by Seigfried Linkwitz and here is the website link: http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/Introduction.htm (http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/Introduction.htm)
You can even buy a kit at Madisound........
Post by: camoteque on Sep 02, 2014 at 03:13 PM
Nakita ko nga ito. Kayang kaya siguro gawin ng tubero namin 'to. :)
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 02, 2014 at 03:33 PM
Joey,
Nakita ko nga ito. Kayang kaya siguro gawin ng tubero namin 'to. :)
Post by: Gino on Sep 02, 2014 at 05:07 PM
Post by: deist on Sep 03, 2014 at 01:29 PM
I wonder if these can implemented using MA drivers:
(http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/LXmini-inroom-2.jpg)
(http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/LXmini-closeup.jpg)
A guy started tinkering around already with the CHR 70.3.
(http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attachments/markaudio/436144d1409545789-another-use-chr-70iii-chr-70iii.jpg)
They call this the LXmini, designed by Seigfried Linkwitz and here is the website link: http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/Introduction.htm (http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/Introduction.htm)
You can even buy a kit at Madisound........
Post by: deist on Sep 03, 2014 at 01:30 PM
Joey,
Nakita ko nga ito. Kayang kaya siguro gawin ng tubero namin 'to. :)
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 03, 2014 at 01:32 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 03, 2014 at 01:34 PM
MiniDSP lang ang katapat niyan para ma-integrate ...diba?
OT: Pag bibili ka ng MiniDSP brader pa piggy-back ako ng isa ha... thanks!
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 03, 2014 at 07:54 PM
OT: Pag bibili ka ng MiniDSP brader pa piggy-back ako ng isa ha... thanks!
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 03, 2014 at 11:57 PM
Copy that!
actually, I'm still contemplating and reading and reading and reading 'til I have teary eyes... ;D
yan minidsp or this would make for a nice near field studio setup...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1376477_636196033067553_244187551_n.jpg?oh=d4ceb8a09bb363525abc125b07d7596c&oe=546DE76B&__gda__=1417011944_3c75874c6281a4d24943e33073fd72df)
Post by: camoteque on Sep 04, 2014 at 06:54 AM
actually, I'm still contemplating and reading and reading and reading 'til I have teary eyes... ;D
yan minidsp or this would make for a nice near field studio setup...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1376477_636196033067553_244187551_n.jpg?oh=d4ceb8a09bb363525abc125b07d7596c&oe=546DE76B&__gda__=1417011944_3c75874c6281a4d24943e33073fd72df)
May digital input ang mini dsp. Pwede yata diretso ikabit sa board ang source eh. Di ko lang kabisado pero you can check their site.
MiniDSP lang ang katapat niyan para ma-integrate ...diba?
Ung minidsp 2x4 ang ginamit dito kasi 2-way lang. Kakaibang design nya. Parang omnidirectional.
Post by: camoteque on Sep 04, 2014 at 07:31 AM
OT: Pag bibili ka ng MiniDSP brader pa piggy-back ako ng isa ha... thanks!
Jojo,
In case matuloy ka bumili ng minidsp and you will be building an enclosure for it, consider another case for me. Pagawan ko narin sa iyo ng maayos na enclosure ang sa akin.
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 04, 2014 at 01:57 PM
May digital input ang mini dsp. Pwede yata diretso ikabit sa board ang source eh. Di ko lang kabisado pero you can check their site.
Ung minidsp 2x4 ang ginamit dito kasi 2-way lang. Kakaibang design nya. Parang omnidirectional.
Yan ok, direct digital to digital connection and conversion na, wala na external DAC needed.
Jojo,
In case matuloy ka bumili ng minidsp and you will be building an enclosure for it, consider another case for me. Pagawan ko narin sa iyo ng maayos na enclosure ang sa akin.
Sure thing Larry.
Post by: deist on Sep 05, 2014 at 03:11 PM
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/simple-2way-A7pA12pw.jpg)
Post by: camoteque on Sep 05, 2014 at 03:22 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 05, 2014 at 04:42 PM
Gawin na yan! ;D
Post by: Gino on Sep 05, 2014 at 08:19 PM
Post by: majoe on Sep 05, 2014 at 08:41 PM
Sabay niyo na miniDSP diyan.
tama, miniDSP. para mawala na yang LCR components ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 05, 2014 at 08:56 PM
Sabay niyo na miniDSP diyan.
+1, a very good test platform indeed.
Post by: audiojunkie on Sep 06, 2014 at 12:47 AM
Ganda ng design nyan... Gawin na...!
Pero di na ba kailangan ang internal bracing..?
Post by: Gino on Sep 06, 2014 at 08:26 AM
Post by: deist on Sep 06, 2014 at 10:12 AM
Mukhang yummy two-way ito! How much kaya abutin ang total parts cost?
Post by: deist on Sep 06, 2014 at 10:17 AM
Sa mga designs ni Scott Lindgren madalas bracing is optional, if you will do it he recommends a "holey" brace. something like the one below:
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c312/organ/plan-pensil-12.jpg)
It's a 1 meter 18mm mdf plank. Hindi mo tatamaan ang resonating frequency niyan with those drivers.
Ganda ng design nyan... Gawin na...!
Pero di na ba kailangan ang internal bracing..?
Post by: deist on Sep 06, 2014 at 10:24 AM
"Please remember the 12PW remains a light-duty driver. Those into "head-banging", "continuous rock-un roll" or intent on ear drum damage, the 12PW is NOT the driver for you. If however, you want to go low and get a serious audiophile quality sound where you can easily tell the audible difference between a double-bass and a bass-guitar when both instruments are oscillating at <40 cycles, this IS the driver for you."
Just as I thought it would be, the mid-high is sealed and isolated from the other driver.
Gawin na yan! ;D
Post by: deist on Sep 06, 2014 at 10:31 AM
+1, a very good test platform indeed.
tama, miniDSP. para mawala na yang LCR components ;D
Sabay niyo na miniDSP diyan.
Post by: camoteque on Sep 06, 2014 at 11:30 AM
Not bad for $500. Marami nang tatalunin sa SQ yan sa ganyang price. Landed cost na ba yan?
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 06, 2014 at 02:27 PM
If I were planning a build right now I will definitely go for this, kaso I'm still happy with my A10Ps kaya sa horizon muna sya ;D. Sa description ni Mark abt the 12PW dito kami interesado ni sir Joey (see highlighted text in red below):
"Please remember the 12PW remains a light-duty driver. Those into "head-banging", "continuous rock-un roll" or intent on ear drum damage, the 12PW is NOT the driver for you. If however, you want to go low and get a serious audiophile quality sound where you can easily tell the audible difference between a double-bass and a bass-guitar when both instruments are oscillating at <40 cycles, this IS the driver for you."
I myself am building a simple digital source setup with my other laptop kaya no speaker project for me muna. But this is certainly an excellent candidate when the time comes.
Those description are spot on if not conservative, I've had the pleasure of taking with Mark and with his tech know-how and low-down personality I'm sure the units can go beyond his descriptions pa.
Sino kaya ang mag go nito? >:D
Post by: audiojunkie on Sep 06, 2014 at 02:45 PM
Pwede kaya ibang drivers.... Using this box dimension?
X-over will be made based on drivers specs.
Post by: deist on Sep 06, 2014 at 04:04 PM
Those description are spot on if not conservative, I've had the pleasure of taking with Mark and with his tech know-how and low-down personality I'm sure the units can go beyond his descriptions pa.
Sino kaya ang mag go nito? >:D
Sadly that's not the landed cost so tataas pa yan if shipped here :-[
Gawin na yan!
Not bad for $500. Marami nang tatalunin sa SQ yan sa ganyang price. Landed cost na ba yan?
Post by: deist on Sep 06, 2014 at 04:11 PM
This plan is specifically designed & tuned for the MA 7P & 12PW using the T/S parameters supplied by the manufacturer. You have to look for drivers with very close specs to the MA's mentioned to utilize the box design, yung 7P you might find a Fostex alternative but I doubt kung meron for 12PW. And no amount of stuffing can compensate for the mismatch.
Pwede kaya ibang drivers.... Using this box dimension?
X-over will be made based on drivers specs.
Post by: timber715 on Sep 06, 2014 at 07:18 PM
Post by: Cjtjader on Sep 06, 2014 at 10:40 PM
Sarap siguro gawin yan sa cnc, no Jo? Then sell as a kit....
+1:-)
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 06, 2014 at 11:43 PM
Sarap siguro gawin yan sa cnc, no Jo? Then sell as a kit....
Bilis niyan brader, salang ka lang ng fresh boards...
Post by: Gino on Sep 06, 2014 at 11:53 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 08, 2014 at 08:41 PM
Pwede iyan sa cnc ko... cut nang cut sa lagari.
Nakaka muscle yan cnc mo eh! ;D
Post by: zinggoy on Oct 05, 2014 at 10:08 PM
Post by: fredreadrick on Oct 06, 2014 at 07:37 AM
Hi! Any leads where I could buy Mark Audio drivers in HK? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Sir, try this....
Hong Kong SAR
Contact Markaudio: Email: [email protected]
10 Fung Yip St Hong Kong
+852 2575 0232
http://www.markaudio.com/Dealers (http://www.markaudio.com/Dealers)
https://www.google.com.ph/maps/place/Markaudio/@22.267679,114.244796,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x87490be98a9356d (https://www.google.com.ph/maps/place/Markaudio/@22.267679,114.244796,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x87490be98a9356d)
Post by: zinggoy on Oct 08, 2014 at 01:13 AM
Sir, try this....
Hong Kong SAR
Contact Markaudio: Email: [email protected]
10 Fung Yip St Hong Kong
+852 2575 0232
http://www.markaudio.com/Dealers (http://www.markaudio.com/Dealers)
https://www.google.com.ph/maps/place/Markaudio/@22.267679,114.244796,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x87490be98a9356d (https://www.google.com.ph/maps/place/Markaudio/@22.267679,114.244796,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x87490be98a9356d)
Thank you, sir.
Post by: deist on Nov 19, 2014 at 09:57 AM
Mark @ Meniscus Audio set up a blind test for variety of full range drivers. Audience members narrowed down the bunch to the Dayton RS100 and the Mark Audio Alpair 7. Mark Audio won the shootout."
Video showing the competing drivers here:
http://youtu.be/Ri1FMK7zTdg (http://youtu.be/Ri1FMK7zTdg)
The Alpair 7.3 emerged as the favorite going up against drivers from Tang Band, Fostex, Dayton Audio, Fountek, etc. 8)
Post by: tony on Nov 21, 2014 at 07:19 AM
Post by: deist on Dec 05, 2014 at 09:33 PM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7578/15766003439_bc94c2717c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/q2bTxv)20141205_211254 (https://flic.kr/p/q2bTxv) by a3cervo (https://www.flickr.com/people/39602381@N03/), on Flickr
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 05, 2014 at 10:03 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 05, 2014 at 10:23 PM
Post by: deist on Dec 08, 2014 at 05:56 PM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7491/15787026018_ac5fdcd62e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/q43CPL)2014-12-08 17.46.46 (https://flic.kr/p/q43CPL) by a3cervo (https://www.flickr.com/people/39602381@N03/), on Flickr
Congrats!
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 08, 2014 at 06:59 PM
Brader Jo! dumating na rin sa pinas yung para sa atin 8) >:D
Happiness! Thanks brader! 8)
Post by: Gino on Dec 08, 2014 at 07:11 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 09, 2014 at 05:33 AM
Congrats deist and JojoD! Busy and Xmas ninyo!
MiniDSP ba ang mga iyan?
Post by: deist on Dec 09, 2014 at 10:04 AM
MiniDSP ba ang mga iyan?
Post by: deist on Dec 09, 2014 at 10:05 AM
Quote from: JoeyGS link=topic=185648.msg2209681#msg2209681 date=1418074411
Congrats deist and JojoD! Busy and Xmas ninyo!
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Congrats deist and JojoD! Busy and Xmas ninyo!
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Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 09, 2014 at 05:28 PM
MiniDSP ba ang mga iyan?
DAC bro, new gear for the coming New Year! 8)
(Baka di na umabot ng Christmas eh, dami pila :()
Hindi pa ..... pero sana yun na ang susunod!
Congrats deist and JojoD! Busy and Xmas ninyo!
Salamats! Btw, the last time kami nagkausap ni Cal sa January na daw sched ang St Rose field trip, ok with you? I really need to hear your setup before we proceed with the operation...
At ano yan bago mo burn-in? Dami mo burn-in ah? ;D ;D ;D Congrats! 8)
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 09, 2014 at 05:30 PM
AK4399 DAC modules, XMOS USB cards & R-core traffos. MiniDSP is still in future plans pa ;)
aka Asahi Kasei Microdevices miracle DAC... sarap isipin na meron na din ako... ;)
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 09, 2014 at 10:16 PM
Thanks sir! burning-in ka na ba? 8)
At ano yan bago mo burn-in? Dami mo burn-in ah? ;D ;D ;D Congrats! 8)
Post by: deist on Dec 10, 2014 at 10:25 AM
Well ........ Ang nakasalang sa burner ay ang mga pato ;) ;) ;) Susunod na ang papel na nagmamaneho >:D
Post by: deist on Dec 10, 2014 at 10:27 AM
aka Asahi Kasei Microdevices miracle DAC... sarap isipin na meron na din ako... ;)
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 10, 2014 at 10:55 AM
Well ........ Ang nakasalang sa burner ay ang mga pato ;) ;) ;) Susunod na ang papel na nagmamaneho >:D
Actually isa yan sa mga parts na masarap sa hobby na ito... Happy times na naman yan! 8) 8) 8)
Meron na rin tayo brader hehe at that acquisition price, we'll not go wrong ;)
And coming from that chip manufacturer and that board designer... kaya hindi na ako nagdalawang isip pa brader... ;)
Post by: deist on Dec 10, 2014 at 11:04 AM
And coming from that chip manufacturer and that board designer... kaya hindi na ako nagdalawang isip pa brader... ;)
Post by: Gino on Dec 10, 2014 at 11:40 AM
Post by: deist on Dec 10, 2014 at 12:02 PM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7491/15787026018_ac5fdcd62e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/q43CPL)2014-12-08 17.46.46 (https://flic.kr/p/q43CPL) by a3cervo (https://www.flickr.com/people/39602381@N03/), on Flickr
Post by: deist on Dec 10, 2014 at 12:04 PM
http://youtu.be/f_DbZ_KVFiI
http://youtu.be/XrYgidBkyCE
:)
Post by: Gino on Dec 10, 2014 at 12:23 PM
For my 10x19 room, the speakers are now up close and visually wider apart. My stage limits are wider than my back wall. This gave me more definition of elements as they are spaced farther apart.
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/ginopunsalan/Home%20Audio/Setup%202013%202a3/WideRoomFB_zpse3510638.jpg)
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/ginopunsalan/References/RoomPOVPanorama_zps72860bb4.jpg)
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 12, 2014 at 09:34 AM
Post by: deist on Dec 12, 2014 at 10:21 AM
Post by: Gino on Dec 12, 2014 at 12:29 PM
I almost didn't bother. I said, my system sounds fine why bother. Then I figured nothing lost if I tried. So I moved things around. Boom. Liked what I heard. My only "upgrade" in over a year.
Post by: Cjtjader on Dec 12, 2014 at 01:16 PM
I really like the new speaker placement. Bass without a sub. I enjoyed today's listening session. Salamat Deist sa youtube link.
I almost didn't bother. I said, my system sounds fine why bother. Then I figured nothing lost if I tried. So I moved things around. Boom. Liked what I heard. My only "upgrade" in over a year.
And your cheapest upgrade! Congrats, Gino! :)
Post by: Gino on Dec 12, 2014 at 02:25 PM
Post by: deist on Dec 13, 2014 at 09:11 AM
I really like the new speaker placement. Bass without a sub. I enjoyed today's listening session. Salamat Deist sa youtube link.
I almost didn't bother. I said, my system sounds fine why bother. Then I figured nothing lost if I tried. So I moved things around. Boom. Liked what I heard. My only "upgrade" in over a year.
Post by: deist on Dec 13, 2014 at 09:13 AM
Oo nga. Watching how Deist's and JojoD's dac pans out.
Post by: Gino on Dec 13, 2014 at 12:06 PM
Nagsubmit na ako ng info for room analysis sa Acoustic Fields.
Post by: deist on Dec 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM
Nagsubmit na ako ng info for room analysis sa Acoustic Fields.
Post by: Gino on Dec 17, 2014 at 01:27 AM
"Hi Gino,
Thanks for sending in your room measurements for analysis. Unfortunately your room is too small to reproduce a good quality sound.
These three video's I made explain why this is so and why I think it's better for you in the long term if you are able to find a bigger room:
http://youtu.be/ZH9KGaOK4CQ
http://youtu.be/hVtVH7dCI20
http://youtu.be/bE-bxMxQSpE
Thanks
Dennis
www.acousticfields.com"
Post by: arbitrage on Dec 17, 2014 at 10:21 AM
Lagpak ang 10' x 19' x 8' room ko kay Dennis Foley. Tama ang decision ko not to do room treatments. Useless pala.
"Hi Gino,
Thanks for sending in your room measurements for analysis. Unfortunately your room is too small to reproduce a good quality sound.
These three video's I made explain why this is so and why I think it's better for you in the long term if you are able to find a bigger room:
http://youtu.be/ZH9KGaOK4CQ
http://youtu.be/hVtVH7dCI20
http://youtu.be/bE-bxMxQSpE
Thanks
Dennis
www.acousticfields.com"
Watched the videos.
Very informative!
Reco niya na 17W x 23L x 10H na room is 391 sq ft or roughly 36sqm as a room size minimum (wala pang height nun)!
Shet! Bagsak din room ko! Lumipat kaya ako!
Post by: Gino on Dec 17, 2014 at 10:28 AM
He told me the painful truth. For perfection I need a new room. We can treat a small room but problems will always be there. There are sounds you simply cannot hear.
Post by: arbitrage on Dec 17, 2014 at 10:33 AM
Masakit marinig pero galing niya.
He speaks the truth (based on MEASURABLE facts) but still says that he understands the predicament of people who have no choice in their room situation and that while it is possible to improve rooms incrementally, you must operate in the notion that what you're doing isn't optimal if you want something close to perfect.
I like his no nonsense empathy with people struggling with small rooms. Better to operate knowing if and when your upgrades will matter.
Husay.....
Pati yung trade offs honest siya.
Post by: Gino on Dec 17, 2014 at 10:44 AM
Post by: deist on Dec 17, 2014 at 11:21 AM
Post by: Gino on Dec 17, 2014 at 11:58 AM
Post by: camoteque on Dec 17, 2014 at 12:50 PM
Lagpak din ang square-ish room ko dyan for sure. But we have to make do with what we have. For now what we need to think of when deciding on future projects is how not to make the situation worse.
Correct. Marami namang compromises talaga sa audio. And minsan, kahit may science di naman 100% guarantee na gaganda tunog. Siguradong may tweaks pa rin. Yun nga lang, sa science may reference ka.
My room is also very small compared to my very large horns and the dimensions of the room and speaker placement are compromised. Hangga doon lang kasi ang magagawa - room treatments and all. But I love what I'm hearing and also the people that visited my place. Kung wala akong room treatments, palagay ko puro echo madidinig ko.
Post by: audiojunkie on Dec 17, 2014 at 01:05 PM
I watched the videos and his other videos... Very informative esp for small rooms that most of us have, be it dedicated or other areas of our home. He mentioned that even at small room still needs to be treated at least to minimize the room's effect.
Can I suggest to sir Gino to create a thread exclusive for this subject?
Post by: deist on Dec 17, 2014 at 01:06 PM
But I am relieved to know the truth. Better to put time and resources on things that can be fixed.
Post by: Gino on Dec 17, 2014 at 01:12 PM
Post by: deist on Dec 17, 2014 at 01:27 PM
I remember the day I ended car audio. JC sat in my car. Listened. Said car was too noisy. That was it.
Post by: joesat on Dec 23, 2014 at 07:14 PM
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/b1931c5f-9c2e-409f-b37a-18c9d63dbfc6_zps2ab68b4a.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/b1931c5f-9c2e-409f-b37a-18c9d63dbfc6_zps2ab68b4a.jpg.html)
Post by: Gino on Dec 23, 2014 at 07:20 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 25, 2014 at 12:23 PM
Post by: Gino on Dec 25, 2014 at 01:05 PM
Post by: joesat on Dec 26, 2014 at 09:33 AM
Merry Christmas Full Rangers! 8)
Uuy,,kasama ako dyan...likewise thank thank you...ang babait ninyo... ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 26, 2014 at 03:16 PM
Uuy,,kasama ako dyan...likewise thank thank you...ang babait ninyo... ;D
;D ;D ;D
Saw dust for Christmas.
Baby G builds for me... ;)
Post by: deist on Dec 30, 2014 at 01:59 PM
Share ko lang..alpair 12 in trapezoid onken enclosure kuno.. ;D..currently burn in period palang and di pa fully furnish ung box..masaya naman ako sa naririnig ko lalo na pag tube amp ung ginagamit ko..
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/b1931c5f-9c2e-409f-b37a-18c9d63dbfc6_zps2ab68b4a.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/b1931c5f-9c2e-409f-b37a-18c9d63dbfc6_zps2ab68b4a.jpg.html)
Post by: deist on Dec 30, 2014 at 02:00 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 01, 2015 at 07:38 PM
Mark Audio made 2014 a fruitful audio year for me ...... For giving me the speaker I like without breaking the bank!
I just hope this would be the same for amplificarion components for 2015! My Audio journey continues.....
Post by: Gino on Jan 03, 2015 at 01:53 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 03, 2015 at 04:56 PM
2. A new amp or preamp to suit MA drivers
3. Room treatment tweaks for better transparency
Post by: Gino on Jan 03, 2015 at 05:00 PM
Post by: deist on Jan 05, 2015 at 12:31 AM
1. Will try the 10P
2. A new amp or preamp to suit MA drivers
3. Room treatment tweaks for better transparency
I totally agree with this, and another great thing for me is; I didn't have to hide this upgrade to my wife. She also agreed that this is the best audio related purchase I have made performance-to-price wise ;)
Merry Xmas and a Happy 2015 to all Mark Audio fans!
Mark Audio made 2014 a fruitful audio year for me ...... For giving me the speaker I like without breaking the bank!
I just hope this would be the same for amplificarion components for 2015! My Audio journey continues.....
Post by: audiojunkie on Jan 05, 2015 at 04:08 AM
Share ko lang..alpair 12 in trapezoid onken enclosure kuno.. ;D..currently burn in period palang and di pa fully furnish ung box..masaya naman ako sa naririnig ko lalo na pag tube amp ung ginagamit ko..
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/b1931c5f-9c2e-409f-b37a-18c9d63dbfc6_zps2ab68b4a.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/b1931c5f-9c2e-409f-b37a-18c9d63dbfc6_zps2ab68b4a.jpg.html)
Nice build.. Congrats!
Planning to do same enclosure (onken) for my 15" driver but different brand and configuration.
Post by: deist on Jan 26, 2015 at 09:45 AM
Brader Jojo, Brader frootloops & Brader Ctjader - ano naman ang masasabi nyo sa walang kakwenta-kwentang markaudio drivers >:D ;)
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 26, 2015 at 02:46 PM
Nice listening session yesterday over at JoeyGS' place. Good music, good food & some good fun chit chat 8) O0
Brader Jojo, Brader frootloops & Brader Ctjader - ano naman ang masasabi nyo sa walang kakwenta-kwentang markaudio drivers >:D ;)
Post by: Cjtjader on Jan 26, 2015 at 03:37 PM
Nice listening session yesterday over at JoeyGS' place. Good music, good food & some good fun chit chat 8) O0
Brader Jojo, Brader frootloops & Brader Ctjader - ano naman ang masasabi nyo sa walang kakwenta-kwentang markaudio drivers >:D ;)
....and the never heard stories!:P
Post by: deist on Jan 26, 2015 at 06:56 PM
Ako maliit lang at mura lang .... pero..... ::)
Post by: deist on Jan 26, 2015 at 06:58 PM
....and the never heard stories!:P
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 26, 2015 at 07:54 PM
Nice listening session yesterday over at JoeyGS' place. Good music, good food & some good fun chit chat 8) O0
Brader Jojo, Brader frootloops & Brader Ctjader - ano naman ang masasabi nyo sa walang kakwenta-kwentang markaudio drivers >:D ;)
Was driving home today and the song "I'm All About That Bass" was playing on the radio... can't help but smile.
Post by: frootloops on Jan 26, 2015 at 08:15 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 27, 2015 at 09:12 AM
The sad part after listening to a speaker as wonderful as this...is that i can't take the sinigang, taco and roast chicken out of my head. :D
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 27, 2015 at 09:14 AM
Was driving home today and the song "I'm All About That Bass" was playing on the radio... can't help but smile.
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 27, 2015 at 09:16 AM
SQ wise maraming tatalunin na mas mamahalin yang F.A.S.T. setup mo sir O0
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 27, 2015 at 10:21 AM
So Jojo ..... time to line up your MA project! Enjoy the speaker while our ears are still 20/20. Magtatampo si Mark Fenlon sa iyo niyan. Suggest the Pensil box para may bass na.
Sa dami ng pinadala niyo ni braders Cal and Donnel na gagawin eh malamang hanggang line up muna ang MA project ko huhuhu... Pero I'm very happy to have an extended listening time with your MAs, enough to answer and satisfy my personal questions.
Hindi naman matampuhin yan, antay ko MA woofers niya baka sakali pwede yun pang "technical" purposes. ;D
Post by: deist on Jan 27, 2015 at 10:23 AM
The sad part after listening to a speaker as wonderful as this...is that i can't take the sinigang, taco and roast chicken out of my head. :D
Post by: deist on Jan 27, 2015 at 10:26 AM
Hindi naman matampuhin yan, antay ko MA woofers niya baka sakali pwede yun pang "technical" purposes. ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 27, 2015 at 10:52 AM
Hahaha it should go together, busog ang tenga busog din ang tyan >:D
Never listen with an empty stomach... sayang ang gears pag gutom... :)
Kaya kahit havainas patulan na... ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 27, 2015 at 10:54 AM
Yung 12PW? papadalhan ka ni Mark? anak ng....!!!!!! >:D
Ssshhh... ;D
Gusto ko yun No.6 but still in r&d. Pero I refused muna di maasikaso brader, ito muna chr70 ang uunahin ko. Madali naman kausap yan si Mark. :)
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM
Good job! Galing kasi ng gumawa ng box at kable eh... ;)
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 27, 2015 at 11:37 AM
Good job! Galing kasi ng gumawa ng box at kable eh... ;)
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 27, 2015 at 11:40 AM
But it would be nice if there would be x-overs only for the bass driver and the HF/MF driver is left x-overless.
Ssshhh... ;D
Gusto ko yun No.6 but still in r&d. Pero I refused muna di maasikaso brader, ito muna chr70 ang uunahin ko. Madali naman kausap yan si Mark. :)
Post by: frootloops on Jan 27, 2015 at 11:53 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 27, 2015 at 12:27 PM
..... At yung nagbigay ng stuffing! Hay naku, yon ang di ninyo alam na secreto diyan.
ay, relyenong bangus lang alam ko pag stuffing ang pinagusapan... ;D
Hohohooooy! Sali ako diyan!
But it would be nice if there would be x-overs only for the bass driver and the HF/MF driver is left x-overless.
Siyempre naman! ;D
In fairness to the designer, I wouldn't preempt the applications just yet. Ninanamnam pa ang r&d eh. ;D
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 27, 2015 at 12:40 PM
Brader Joey's set up is a perfect example of team effort, how many heads were involved? 4? 8 balls is better than 2. Galing!
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 27, 2015 at 12:45 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 27, 2015 at 01:08 PM
Apart from the excellent drivers of Mr Audio,
1. use a box design that is properly designed and computed for the driver. use good box material with less resonance or add internal bracing to control box resonance as needed.
2. study the stuffing and lining recommendations from the box designer. learn from previous builders' experience
3. use appropriate stuffing/lining materials
4. the removable panel is a must for tuning the stuffing. ensure the box is sealed at the driver and at the removable panel
5. tune the speakers thru listening up to the recommended break-in process and period
6. follow proper and recommended speaker placement in room for optimum adjustment in tuning
7. last thing to do after tuning is completed and burn-in process is done, is to apply cosmetics to the speaker for aesthetic purposes
Hope I have not forgotten anything......
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 27, 2015 at 01:09 PM
Post by: joesat on Jan 27, 2015 at 01:18 PM
These are nice!very good enclosure choice. Mahirap ba gawin sir? From the feedbacks I read, you might need to integrate subs for low freq support. Burn in for 100hrs and then go with normal listening level,but definitely sound will improve later on. We've heard sound refinement pa rin when our drivers reached 400hrs na.
Sorry Sir ngayon ko lang nabalikan ung post ko na to...mejo mahirap pero napagtyagaan ding natapos...mejo salat pa kmi sa tools e..pero pag kumpleto tools mo, mas madali...
sa experience ko nung narating ko ung 100 hours at nagsimula akong mag introduce ng songs na may bass, masasabi kong kuntento na ko sa low freq niya...not to mention na BS lang tong enclosure ko (12x14x16)..how much more siguro kung FS, malamang mas maganda.
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 27, 2015 at 01:24 PM
Sorry Sir ngayon ko lang nabalikan ung post ko na to...mejo mahirap pero napagtyagaan ding natapos...mejo salat pa kmi sa tools e..pero pag kumpleto tools mo, mas madali...
sa experience ko nung narating ko ung 100 hours at nagsimula akong mag introduce ng songs na may bass, masasabi kong kuntento na ko sa low freq niya...not to mention na BS lang tong enclosure ko (12x14x16)..how much more siguro kung FS, malamang mas maganda.
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 27, 2015 at 01:30 PM
Post by: deist on Jan 27, 2015 at 01:47 PM
san na si deist? balls na usapan... karate chop agad! >:D
Sali na rin yung mga tumulong sa DIYAudio ..... daming balls niyan!
Post by: deist on Jan 27, 2015 at 01:50 PM
And to add: study the basics, the theory & principles if you are serious in pursuing the DIY route. learn to walk before you run ika nga. I realized now that this is a long journey and it's not a race ;)
..... Ah! ..... gotta have a lot of Patience! and enjoy the break-in and tuning process!
Post by: Gino on Jan 27, 2015 at 02:01 PM
If you don't already know, divide the length of the room into 3. At first division you lay the speakers. At 2nd division you put your head. Pero wag mo pugutin. Try to form an equilateral triangle. Wag lang sagad sa side walls.
I've tested this method in two rooms hear and I am very pleased.
Post by: deist on Jan 27, 2015 at 02:02 PM
Also, I would suggest to use good quality wires for internal cabinet cables, I was using braided CAT5e wires then switched to Cal's (Ctjader here in pdvd) & it made a big difference sa sound (mainly on highs). You can get from other sources naman baka isipin ng iba kinukulam ka namin :D our objective here is to share our experience with MA drivers & build 8)
Sorry Sir ngayon ko lang nabalikan ung post ko na to...mejo mahirap pero napagtyagaan ding natapos...mejo salat pa kmi sa tools e..pero pag kumpleto tools mo, mas madali...
sa experience ko nung narating ko ung 100 hours at nagsimula akong mag introduce ng songs na may bass, masasabi kong kuntento na ko sa low freq niya...not to mention na BS lang tong enclosure ko (12x14x16)..how much more siguro kung FS, malamang mas maganda.
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 27, 2015 at 02:05 PM
to add ...... do not make the distance to the sidewall and to the front wall equal. Move along the one-third line in small increments until you get the best sound. Tapos toe-in or toe-out as needed .... but mostly toe-in
joesat, napalabas ko bass ng bookshelf ko by using rule of thirds speaker placement. If possible sa room mo, test the method.
If you don't already know, divide the length of the room into 3. At first division you lay the speakers. At 2nd division you put your head. Pero wag mo pugutin. Try to form an equilateral triangle. Wag lang sagad sa side walls.
I've tested this method in two rooms hear and I am very pleased.
Post by: joesat on Jan 27, 2015 at 02:22 PM
Sir Joey and deist, thanx sa advise and recommendations. For sure ipapasok ko sa ulo ko mga yan...pero "di ko bubutasan ulo ko ha!?"...heheheh
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 27, 2015 at 02:24 PM
"pero wag mo pugutin"...hehehhe..natawa ako dito... ;D
Sir Joey and deist, thanx sa advise and recommendations. For sure ipapasok ko sa ulo ko mga yan...pero "di ko bubutasan ulo ko ha!?"...heheheh
Post by: Gino on Jan 27, 2015 at 02:50 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 27, 2015 at 06:54 PM
Sali na rin yung mga tumulong sa DIYAudio ..... daming balls niyan!
The powers that be over there knew about my skepticism and usual "reservation" when it comes to feedback and recommendation. I've always maintained an it's a "YMMV" thing and "personal satisfaction" stance.
Sadly, my affiliation also limits my personal reactions and views. It's a price one pays when you are in the know and do not want to attract unnecessary attention that may cause unwanted (sometimes never ending) debates. Another "J" once told me, "who needs drama if the product is selling?".
In this case, and on a personal note, I am happy to have come last Sunday and was very satisfied overall.
Once again, congrats and a job well done to all involved in the project.
Cheers!
Post by: deist on Jan 29, 2015 at 12:48 PM
The powers that be over there knew about my skepticism and usual "reservation" when it comes to feedback and recommendation. I've always maintained an it's a "YMMV" thing and "personal satisfaction" stance.
Sadly, my affiliation also limits my personal reactions and views. It's a price one pays when you are in the know and do not want to attract unnecessary attention that may cause unwanted (sometimes never ending) debates. Another "J" once told me, "who needs drama if the product is selling?".
In this case, and on a personal note, I am happy to have come last Sunday and was very satisfied overall.
Once again, congrats and a job well done to all involved in the project.
Cheers!
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 29, 2015 at 01:34 PM
I take this as a stamp of approval from you Master Jo? ;)
Very much YES brader... though these are my personal opinion, I can now safely conclude this drivers in their respective boxes are winners. They sure sound big for a relatively small package.
Last Sunday made me remember the height I experienced with them huge Lansing and JBL laden VOTT setups which to this day is a true keeper imho. Larry (camoteque) is a lucky guy who still has the chance to play with those.
Anyway, I'm keeping my MA drivers until that day when I can build a house with a dedicated audio room. ;)
Post by: camoteque on Jan 29, 2015 at 02:29 PM
Very much YES brader... though these are my personal opinion, I can now safely conclude this drivers in their respective boxes are winners. They sure sound big for a relatively small package.
Last Sunday made me remember the height I experienced with them huge Lansing and JBL laden VOTT setups which to this day is a true keeper imho. Larry (camoteque) is a lucky guy who still has the chance to play with those.
Anyway, I'm keeping my MA drivers until that day when I can build a house with a dedicated audio room. ;)
JojoD,
I'm just plain lucky that my wife allows me to have a small space for my "big" speakers. She had, in fact, instructed the kasambahay never to trespass my space or otherwise she might get electrocuted.
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 29, 2015 at 02:51 PM
JojoD,
I'm just plain lucky that my wife allows me to have a small space for my "big" speakers. She had, in fact, instructed the kasambahay never to trespass my space or otherwise she might get electrocuted.
Bro kumusta. Lucky for you, as for me I don't have the space anymore... too many gears, most of which are not mine pa. Though I'm still happy I get to play with them even without the need to own one.
Yes it is wise to instruct others not to meddle with our setups especially for safety. I give my kids mini-seminars so they know the reason why it's off limits. Watch, listen - yes, but no touch. :)
I still wish to own "big" speakers again, but I'm already satisfied to know that I have a realistic choice with these MA drivers.
Post by: deist on Jan 31, 2015 at 02:42 PM
Yes it is wise to instruct others not to meddle with our setups especially for safety. I give my kids mini-seminars so they know the reason why it's off limits. Watch, listen - yes, but no touch. :)
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 31, 2015 at 04:18 PM
Post by: deist on Jan 31, 2015 at 09:26 PM
Yung mga nakikita kong aftermarket grills mostly panget & for car audio application. Sana MA can come up with screw on type that will use the same holes of the driver's frame.
Kailngan no ng metal grill para protection sa mga curious!
Post by: fredreadrick on Jan 31, 2015 at 10:02 PM
Kailngan no ng metal grill para protection sa mga curious!
minsan naiwanan ko bukas ang pinto ng listening room, pagbalik ko nakatingala yung pusa namin sa CHR-70. mukhang attractive sa kanya yong champagne color ^-^
so ok talaga pagnagkaroon ng protection grill, plan ko pa naman 10p rin this year.
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 31, 2015 at 10:17 PM
minsan naiwanan ko bukas ang pinto ng listening room, pagbalik ko nakatingala yung pusa namin sa CHR-70. mukhang attractive sa kanya yong champagne color ^-^
so ok talaga pagnagkaroon ng protection grill, plan ko pa naman 10p rin this year.
inaykupo... buti hindi nanggigil yun pusa, ang talas pa naman ng mga kuko niyan... dito dremel ko mga kuko ng pusa ng mga anak ko eh.. ;D
Post by: deist on Jan 31, 2015 at 10:24 PM
minsan naiwanan ko bukas ang pinto ng listening room, pagbalik ko nakatingala yung pusa namin sa CHR-70. mukhang attractive sa kanya yong champagne color ^-^
so ok talaga pagnagkaroon ng protection grill, plan ko pa naman 10p rin this year.
Post by: fredreadrick on Jan 31, 2015 at 10:56 PM
inaykupo... buti hindi nanggigil yun pusa, ang talas pa naman ng mga kuko niyan... dito dremel ko mga kuko ng pusa ng mga anak ko eh.. ;Dall around talaga kayo sir, marunong din pala kayo mag-manicure :D
sir,ang dami ng kasong ganyan shared sa diyaudio. Favorite nga din ng pusa...go go go sa 10P & share with us your build story :)champagne gold kasi, medyo kakulay ng salmon ^-^... sure thing sir, pero baka late this year na, kakatapos lang ng AN FR ko eh.
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 31, 2015 at 11:37 PM
all around talaga kayo sir, marunong din pala kayo mag-manicure :D
maglaba, magluto, at mamalantsa din sir... ;D
Post by: fredreadrick on Jan 31, 2015 at 11:51 PM
maglaba, magluto, at mamalantsa din sir... ;Dyan ang uliran na tatay :D
Post by: deist on Feb 01, 2015 at 01:17 PM
Now worries brader, take your time in building it hindi naman karera yan basta do your research & tanong ka lang dito if you're not sure about anything or you need suggestions O0
champagne gold kasi, medyo kakulay ng salmon ^-^... sure thing sir, pero baka late this year na, kakatapos lang ng AN FR ko eh.
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 01, 2015 at 07:50 PM
Post by: frootloops on Feb 01, 2015 at 10:06 PM
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a616/estuardela02/SAM_1198_zps3281405c.jpg)
pogi talaga ng speaker mo brad. O0
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 01, 2015 at 10:23 PM
Post by: RXV on Feb 02, 2015 at 10:19 PM
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,198237.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,198237.0.html)
Para hindi OT, Sadly, due to time conflicts, until now, I still haven't 100% finished my MA enclosure. Nagagamit na, but the finishing stage was the punishing part :p
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 03, 2015 at 09:30 AM
Hey guys, just in case anyone here's interested, I'm disposing of my DIY OB enclosure that I used for burning in MA drivers. Here's the link:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,198237.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,198237.0.html)
Para hindi OT, Sadly, due to time conflicts, until now, I still haven't 100% finished my MA enclosure. Nagagamit na, but the finishing stage was the punishing part :p
Post by: deist on Feb 03, 2015 at 10:33 AM
May big brader yan, the Alpair 10.3M ;)
(https://misterwireless.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/img_0027.jpg)
What grill? ^-^
pogi talaga ng speaker mo brad. O0
Post by: deist on Feb 03, 2015 at 10:35 AM
Hey guys, just in case anyone here's interested, I'm disposing of my DIY OB enclosure that I used for burning in MA drivers. Here's the link:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,198237.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,198237.0.html)
Para hindi OT, Sadly, due to time conflicts, until now, I still haven't 100% finished my MA enclosure. Nagagamit na, but the finishing stage was the punishing part :p
Post by: RXV on Feb 03, 2015 at 11:55 AM
Ganda ng color no brader Donnel!
May big brader yan, the Alpair 10.3M ;)
(https://misterwireless.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/img_0027.jpg)
Very elegant but eye-catching :)
Post by: RXV on Feb 03, 2015 at 12:11 PM
Kind of you sir RXV :)
Thanks sir Deist. If only I have time now to finally finish my Alpair 10P enclosure. Pati protective grills din hindi ko pa magawa. I need to machine mill it pa kasi para swak na swak. I tried once and I failed by a few mm, hindi na fit :P
Post by: deist on Feb 03, 2015 at 01:41 PM
I found a better solution though....lock the door to my home office/listening room ;) ^-^ >:D
Thanks sir Deist. If only I have time now to finally finish my Alpair 10P enclosure. Pati protective grills din hindi ko pa magawa. I need to machine mill it pa kasi para swak na swak. I tried once and I failed by a few mm, hindi na fit :P
Post by: Gino on Feb 03, 2015 at 01:44 PM
Post by: frootloops on Feb 03, 2015 at 02:11 PM
Ganda ng color no brader Donnel!
May big brader yan, the Alpair 10.3M ;)
huwaw! Tantalizing to the eyes (and ears) talaga brader Anton. That we need to hear very soon. :)
Napapaisip tuloy ako....
Post by: deist on Feb 03, 2015 at 03:09 PM
huwaw! Tantalizing to the eyes (and ears) talaga brader Anton. That we need to hear very soon. :)
Napapaisip tuloy ako....
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 03, 2015 at 03:20 PM
Dito, bawal ang helpers sa home office and sa dedicated room ko. I clean them myself.
Wala kami helper so the kids help me out with the cleaning. Natutuwa naman ako kasi alam nila ang pwede galawin at hindi. Maski si bunso na super kulit wala pa naman sinusundot o binabaril na speaker cone. ;D ;D ;D
Sobra lang dami ng gears ngayon dito, nun isang araw halos mamilipit ako sa sakit nun natisod ako sa pinadala AVR ni brader Donnel... talo yun hinlilit ko sa paa waaaah! ;D
Post by: Gino on Feb 03, 2015 at 03:24 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 03, 2015 at 03:25 PM
huwaw! Tantalizing to the eyes (and ears) talaga brader Anton. That we need to hear very soon. :)
Napapaisip tuloy ako....
Brad ang sarap niyan sa inyo, na-imagine ko na playing smooth 80's genre on a Sunday morning while eating Havainas... :)
Post by: geriboy on Feb 25, 2015 at 11:40 AM
About 2 years ago, I was able to meet sir Stark3 and I got to audition his Mark Audio speakers using my setup. Great sounding speakers.
Here is his DIY thread: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162110.msg1637312.html#msg1637312
Here is a link showing my impression about his speakers: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162110.msg1677872.html#msg1677872
I wonder kung ano na ang nangyari sa kanya. Hindi na nya naituloy yung thread nya. I haven't heard from him since then.
Post by: Gino on Feb 25, 2015 at 11:58 AM
Post by: shrek7 on Feb 25, 2015 at 01:53 PM
Naalala ko lang...I was able to read that thread when it was posted, I was also able to meet him in person, ghe is the very first guy I met in pdvd. we share the same pasion in music. we even consulted each other for the parts we intend to put on some of our amplifier/speaker builds. I am really very curious where he is now? He lives in San Juan and works as I.T. guy in makati. Asan na kaya tong si Daniel?
About 2 years ago, I was able to meet sir Stark3 and I got to audition his Mark Audio speakers using my setup. Great sounding speakers.
Here is his DIY thread: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162110.msg1637312.html#msg1637312
Here is a link showing my impression about his speakers: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162110.msg1677872.html#msg1677872
I wonder kung ano na ang nangyari sa kanya. Hindi na nya naituloy yung thread nya. I haven't heard from him since then.
Post by: Gino on Feb 25, 2015 at 03:15 PM
Post by: shrek7 on Feb 25, 2015 at 03:56 PM
Don't wonder. Send him a PM. ;)he is no longger active here in pdvd, its more than a year since he logged in.
Post by: deist on Feb 25, 2015 at 09:07 PM
Post by: Gino on Feb 25, 2015 at 09:51 PM
Post by: deist on Feb 26, 2015 at 09:52 AM
I am curious with how the Enabl'd 126EN differs from my 126EN. I am not convinced those tatoos and duct seal do anything.
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 26, 2015 at 09:39 PM
Post by: camoteque on Feb 26, 2015 at 10:36 PM
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 26, 2015 at 11:14 PM
MarkAudio is leaving diyAudio...http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/270408-markaudio-leaves-diyaudio.html (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/270408-markaudio-leaves-diyaudio.html)
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 27, 2015 at 12:13 AM
Post by: geriboy on Feb 27, 2015 at 12:21 AM
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/270408-markaudio-leaves-diyaudio.html (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/270408-markaudio-leaves-diyaudio.html)
Hindi ko naman sinusundan yung thread ng MA sa diyaudio, pero tama ba ang intindi ko that nabura/nawala na yung MA thread sa diyaudio?
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Ah.
Well, I respect your decision Mark. If it had become more trouble to you on many levels than it was worth, there was no point in you or MA staying here. It is very unfortunate that the only driver manufacturer who took the trouble to interact with end users has now left DIYAudio ; also a terrible shame that it has also inevitably resulted in the loss of hundreds of threads with useful data, designs, ideas etc. Not a happy day for DIYAudio.com
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 12:35 AM
May mali rin naman si Mark, minsan masyado syang defensive about his products na tumatalon sya beyond his own MA thread to call out somone. Can't blame him, he loves his products. I think it was a good decision to leave DIYaudio and start his own forum under markaudio.com. His drivers are well regarded in Japan, competing with their local Fostex in terms of sales. In fact the CHN-70 which was in question sa measurement thread was made specifically for the Japanese market, nag-request lang yung ibang kano & canucks na irelease din sa NA. Na-stress na rin siguro si Mark, lalo na may colon cancer sya. The last thing he needs is a few know-it-all to add to his everyday battle.
Might have something to do with those measurement issues. Very sad.
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 27, 2015 at 12:35 AM
Sana nga ibalik kahit naka lock. Sayang yung wealth of info na accumulate.
Hindi ko naman sinusundan yung thread ng MA sa diyaudio, pero tama ba ang intindi ko that nabura/nawala na yung MA thread sa diyaudio?
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 12:36 AM
Hindi ko naman sinusundan yung thread ng MA sa diyaudio, pero tama ba ang intindi ko that nabura/nawala na yung MA thread sa diyaudio?
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 27, 2015 at 12:39 AM
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 12:40 AM
Sayang yung wealth of info na accumulate.
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 27, 2015 at 12:45 AM
Sayang nga, ang daming builds dun na pwedeng pagkunan ng inspiration lalo na ng mga bago sa DIY.
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 12:49 AM
Si Bob Brines matagal ng inayawan yung mga kolokoy, si Scott di na raw sya mag-engage sa mga non-sense post. Si ChrisB tahimik lang.
...... And especially yung mga insights ng mga speaker manufacturers na tumutulong kay Mark
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:00 AM
...... And especially yung mga insights ng mga speaker manufacturers na tumutulong kay Mark
wala na ba? nababasa ko pa yun mga threads, unless alisin na sa server pag nag maintenance.
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:03 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:07 AM
Wala na. Goodbye thread na lang..
Sige sabihin ko kay Jason baka pwede salvage yun mga useful threads, magkausap kami now.
Update:
Sorry, unavoidable circumstances makes it a no joy on the threads.
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 08:34 AM
Hindi ko naman sinusundan yung thread ng MA sa diyaudio, pero tama ba ang intindi ko that nabura/nawala na yung MA thread sa diyaudio?
pinakialaman ni Mark yung thread ng isang member
na gustong magtesting ng speakers...
hindi nya dapat ginawa yon, out of line sya doon,
moderator lang sya sa kanyang binayarang forum,
hindi sya dapat nakikialam sa mga public threads...
king me reklamo dapat sa management, kay Jason...
ayaw ni Mark na me pumupuna sa gawa nya....
parang si Rod Elliot din, ayaw nya me magpost ng mga drawings nya,
gusto nya links lang...
hindi ko masyadong nasubaybayan ito, pag vendors' forum na
hindi ako nakikialam, stay away ika nga...
masuerte tayo dito, walang nagrereklamo about IP...
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 08:38 AM
Sige sabihin ko kay Jason baka pwede salvage yun mga useful threads, magkausap kami now.
Update:
Sorry, unavoidable circumstances makes it a no joy on the threads.
na reconstruct na ni wintermute yung original thread since last night...
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 08:56 AM
hindi raw maganda itong mark drivers pag off axis na,
ano impressions nyo dun sa mga nakagawa na?
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 09:25 AM
Sabi nung member, naisipan nya ilagay sa pick up truck dahil in his experiment experiment nilapag nya mababa sa floor ang speakers then oriented it up-firing. Mas 3D daw ang image & may phantom center compared to ear level, dun na sumagot yung isang member na nag-start ng "objective measurement" thread and posted a link to his measurement findings and stating the VIFA TC9FD model is the best among its class. Syempre papatalo ba si Mark, nagkainitan na sila :)
I know all this kasi subscribed ako sa both threads as I frequently comment sa MA & full range threads sa diyaudio. I receive email notifications whenever a new reply is posted.
pinakialaman ni Mark yung thread ng isang member
na gustong magtesting ng speakers...
hindi nya dapat ginawa yon, out of line sya doon,
moderator lang sya sa kanyang binayarang forum,
hindi sya dapat nakikialam sa mga public threads...
king me reklamo dapat sa management, kay Jason...
ayaw ni Mark na me pumupuna sa gawa nya....
parang si Rod Elliot din, ayaw nya me magpost ng mga drawings nya,
gusto nya links lang...
hindi ko masyadong nasubaybayan ito, pag vendors' forum na
hindi ako nakikialam, stay away ika nga...
masuerte tayo dito, walang nagrereklamo about IP...
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 09:28 AM
me nakapagbulong sa akin dun sa kabilang thread,
hindi raw maganda itong mark drivers pag off axis na,
ano impressions nyo dun sa mga nakagawa na?
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 10:01 AM
Not true, off axis is where they shine best. If you are using full range drivers you know for a fact that no one likes to listen to it on-axis kasi meron talagang hot spot most of them. I've listened to my Alpair 10P both on & off axis, I've tried all speaker placements you can imagine, the best is 15 degrees off axis.
good to know....;)
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 10:06 AM
Hindi pinakialaman ni Mark yung measurement thread sir, ni hindi nga sya nag-comment dun. Ang sinagot nya is another topic, yung tanong nung isang member na may Markaudio CHN-70 driver na balak gamitin sa pick up truck, he posted the same question sa MA thread & full range section. Pina-delete ni Mark sa moderator yung sa full range thread kasi duplicate topic & he felt na mas masasagot ng MA thread since mas maraming may experience doon using the same drivers.
Sabi nung member, naisipan nya ilagay sa pick up truck dahil in his experiment experiment nilapag nya mababa sa floor ang speakers then oriented it up-firing. Mas 3D daw ang image & may phantom center compared to ear level, dun na sumagot yung isang member na nag-start ng "objective measurement" thread and posted a link to his measurement findings and stating the VIFA TC9FD model is the best among its class. Syempre papatalo ba si Mark, nagkainitan na sila :)
I know all this kasi subscribed ako sa both threads as I frequently comment sa MA & full range threads sa diyaudio. I receive email notifications whenever a new reply is posted.
hindi ganito ang tingin ng mga mods doon...
issues like these are discussed in the back room and deliberated upon
and when a consensus is reached at unanimous ang hatol,
then action is taken....
and in the case of paid forums like that of Mark's
Jason is on top of things, his word is law...
Jason and Mark talked on skype about this and had a good talk...
let us wait for things to cool down a bit...
i am sure those threads will be still accessible in the future
unless Mark ask them to be taken down....
the real issue there was that Mark poked his finger in the public threads,
outside of his paid for forum where he had no moderator powers...
he was out of line doing that...that was agreed upon by mods...
update: Mark agrees to archive his threads so that they are still accessible...
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 10:41 AM
May bad blood na yang mga yan last year pa and it's the same group of people who are overly critical with MA drivers because they've had issues with it before. When they questioned Mark about it mostly ang gist ng sagot ni Mark is "I know what I'm doing" or "You're an amateur, i'm an expert". Ang katwiran ni Mark; if you are seeking clarification PM or email me because some of my answers might be a business/industry secret. It's a cultural thing din e, Briton si Mark (but based in Hong Kong) and I personally know how they differ to Americans in terms of perception.
Mark is not the best salesman but I love how he ask DIYers for input in developing his products. He is the only speaker designer to my knowledge who does that.
hindi ganito ang tingin ng mga mods doon...
issues like these are discussed in the back room and deliberated upon
and when a consensus is reached at unanimous ang hatol,
then action is taken....
and in the case of paid forums like that of Mark's
Jason is on top of things, his word is law...
Jason and Mark talked on skype about this and had a good talk...
let us wait for things to cool down a bit...
i am sure those threads will be still accessible in the future
unless Mark ask them to be taken down....
Post by: Gino on Feb 27, 2015 at 10:47 AM
Digress lang kaunti for people's info. My friend did this floor mount on his Civic using another brand. Boxes were false floors. One speaker was mounted on the driver's side. The other on the passenger side. The theory being the sound reflected off the windshield. Compared to stock door mounts, the sound path was longer. The longer paths of the floor mounted speakers had less discrepancy with each other compared to the door mounted speakers. Mas equal ang time alignment.
The result was very distant, focused images down to bass. I was blown away at that time. I never achieved that in my car.
Now back to regular programming.
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM
Eto ang mali ni Mark, he asked the mods to close the duplicate thread in full range sub forum which they did. Ang ginawa nya he created a new thread sa MA section then copy-paste the comments of the member who started the "objective measurement" topic and hinamon nya ng one-on-one discussion. Hindi naman sumagot yung member pero yung iba nagreklamo sa mods.
May bad blood na yang mga yan last year pa and it's the same group of people who are overly critical with MA drivers because they've had issues with it before. When they questioned Mark about it mostly ang gist ng sagot ni Mark is "I know what I'm doing" or "You're an amateur, i'm an expert". Ang katwiran ni Mark; if you are seeking clarification PM or email me because some of my answers might be a business/industry secret. It's a cultural thing din e, Briton si Mark (but based in Hong Kong) and I personally know how they differ to Americans in terms of perception.
Mark is not the best salesman but I love how he ask DIYers for input in developing his products. He is the only speaker designer to my knowledge who does that.
i do not know why they are like that in the speakers forums...
can't take criticisms, perhaps because they are protecting their bottom line...
even David Dicks got banned over a year ago, some mods were of the opinion
that he was worse than Mark...i have to admit i am not much of a speaker guy
to follow all of these, but things just don't happen at diyaudio,
no single moderator can make big decisions by himself, only the site owner can do that..
we moderators work on consensus so unless majority consensus is reached
we do not take action...simple as this...
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 11:15 AM
"naisipan nya ilagay sa pick up truck dahil in his experiment experiment nilapag nya mababa sa floor ang speakers then oriented it up-firing."
Digress lang kaunti for people's info. My friend did this floor mount on his Civic using another brand. Boxes were false floors. One speaker was mounted on the driver's side. The other on the passenger side. The theory being the sound reflected off the windshield. Compared to stock door mounts, the sound path was longer. The longer paths of the floor mounted speakers had less discrepancy with each other compared to the door mounted speakers. Mas equal ang time alignment.
The result was very distant, focused images down to bass. I was blown away at that time. I never achieved that in my car.
Now back to regular programming.
this is the point, if you purchased his speaker,
you have the right to use it in any manner that pleases you.....
no one can tell you otherwise...there are no magic in speakers,
but magic it seems to me is in how you use those speakers...
Post by: RXV on Feb 27, 2015 at 11:58 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:03 PM
na reconstruct na ni wintermute yung original thread since last night...
ang sayang yun mga build threads... helpful sa mga gusto mag umpisa.
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:20 PM
ang sayang yun mga build threads... helpful sa mga gusto mag umpisa.
hintay hintay lang tayo, maayos rin yan sa huli,
matrabaho nga lang para sa mods,
nagprisinta na sa Dave, planet10,
at pumayag na rin si Mark na ma-archive yung mga threads nya,
kaya hindi mawawala...
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:22 PM
me nakapagbulong sa akin dun sa kabilang thread,
hindi raw maganda itong mark drivers pag off axis na,
ano impressions nyo dun sa mga nakagawa na?
dapat mapakinggan mo pala kasi Mark may not be a very good salesman but he is an excellent driver designer.
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:23 PM
hintay hintay lang tayo, maayos rin yan sa huli,
matrabaho nga lang para sa mods,
nagprisinta na sa Dave, planet10,
at pumayag na rin si Mark na ma-archive yung mga threads nya,
kaya hindi mawawala...
mainit pa nga... may iba feeling ko finger on the trigger pa.. tsk...
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:30 PM
meron mga posters doon na sumumpang hindi na ulit magpopost at
lalayasan ang diyaudio, mero naroon pa rin hanggang ngayon at patuloy na nagpopost...
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:31 PM
afaik, hindi siya nakialam sa threads sa labas ng section niya, yun mga duplicate threads nun i-merge bumagsak sa MA forum (tough luck), eh siyempre sa kanya forum yun so he saw it fit to do "cleanup" which includes splitting, editing... at dun na nagkalokoloko...
although super mainitin din ang ulo niyan, pero hindi naman crackpot kamukha nun isang designer na na-ban.
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:32 PM
From my observation quite a few members were put off by David's over the top pitching & pushing of his products. And to make it worse his free box designs were questioned and deemed not optimized for his drivers...I emailed him a few years ago inquiring about a particular driver, he replied to my emails, seemed like a nice guy, his answers are so good that the experience was like walking into a hi-fi store, it was just too much for me ;)
i do not know why they are like that in the speakers forums...
can't take criticisms, perhaps because they are protecting their bottom line...
even David Dicks got banned over a year ago, some mods were of the opinion
that he was worse than Mark...i have to admit i am not much of a speaker guy
to follow all of these, but things just don't happen at diyaudio,
no single moderator can make big decisions by himself, only the site owner can do that..
we moderators work on consensus so unless majority consensus is reached
we do not take action...simple as this...
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:34 PM
ganyan naman talaga, malay mo magbago pa isip ni Mark,
meron mga posters doon na sumumpang hindi na ulit magpopost at
lalayasan ang diyaudio, mero naroon pa rin hanggang ngayon at patuloy na nagpopost...
palagay ko hindi na siguro... tsaka dapat nag eenjoy na lang siya sa buhay niya ngayon at di na pinapainit pa ang ulo...
grabe naman, pero babalik din yan baka magpapalit lang ng account... diyaudio is diyaudio, para sa mga techies wala pa din kapalit yan.
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:35 PM
ang sayang yun mga build threads... helpful sa mga gusto mag umpisa.
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:35 PM
The speakers section in diyaudio is where some of the most "colorful" threads can be found ;D
From my observation quite a few members were put off by David's over the top pitching & pushing of his products. And to make it worse his free box designs were questioned and deemed not optimized for his drivers...I emailed him a few years ago inquiring about a particular driver, he replied to my emails, seemed like a nice guy, his answers are so good that the experience was like walking into a hi-fi store, it was just too much for me ;)
and colorful people too, reminds me of streten.....
lucky for me i do not frequent those threads, specially vendors' or paid for threads...
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:39 PM
The speakers section in diyaudio is where some of the most "colorful" threads can be found ;D
From my observation quite a few members were put off by David's over the top pitching & pushing of his products. And to make it worse his free box designs were questioned and deemed not optimized for his drivers...I emailed him a few years ago inquiring about a particular driver, he replied to my emails, seemed like a nice guy, his answers are so good that the experience was like walking into a hi-fi store, it was just too much for me ;)
I believe the reason is he DOES NOT use T/S parameters. And the usual solution being offered is stuffing enough damping materials to make a large pillow.
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:39 PM
grabe naman, pero babalik din yan baka magpapalit lang ng account... diyaudio is diyaudio, para sa mga techies wala pa din kapalit yan.
hindi lulusot kay SY at wintermute ang ganyang gawain,
yung sockpuppet catcher sa site nahuhuli ang me more than one accounts
at yung mga dati ng nabanned, kahit magpalit ng identity huli pa rin...
unless siguro magpalit sila ng location, meaning mag abroad....
pero malupit yung ibang mga mods, alam nila sa posting style pa lang huli na...
pero nakukuha naman sa magandang usapan ang lahat...
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:45 PM
I believe the reason is he DOES NOT use T/S parameters. And the usual solution being offered is stuffing enough damping materials to make a large pillow.
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:46 PM
sa huli, biktima si Mark ng "series of unfortunate events", technical (forum related) and political...
afaik, hindi siya nakialam sa threads sa labas ng section niya, yun mga duplicate threads nun i-merge bumagsak sa MA forum (tough luck), eh siyempre sa kanya forum yun so he saw it fit to do "cleanup" which includes splitting, editing... at dun na nagkalokoloko...
although super mainitin din ang ulo niyan, pero hindi naman crackpot kamukha nun isang designer na na-ban.
kung hindi sya nakialam sa isang public thread, hindi nangyari ang nangyari,
he took matters into his own hands na wala syang authority kaya he suffered
the consequences of his actions...ito ang consensus ng mods at agreed upon by Jason...
but water under the bridge na ito...learning lesson na rin kay Mark....
yung Audio Nirvana gawang Taiwan, yung Mark audio ba saan gawa?
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:47 PM
and colorful people too, reminds me of sreten.....
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:49 PM
hindi lulusot kay SY at wintermute ang ganyang gawain,
yung sockpuppet catcher sa site nahuhuli ang me more than one accounts
at yung mga dati ng nabanned, kahit magpalit ng identity huli pa rin...
unless siguro magpalit sila ng location, meaning mag abroad....
pero malupit yung ibang mga mods, alam nila sa posting style pa lang huli na...
pero nakukuha naman sa magandang usapan ang lahat...
Sa CIA o NSA yata nagtatrabho mga yan, galing manghuli. I think more on psychological evaluation yun style ng panghuhuli nun iba, kung baga sa kilos pa lang huli ka na.
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:50 PM
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:50 PM
yung Audio Nirvana gawang Taiwan, yung Mark audio ba saan gawa?
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:53 PM
Dave, planet 10 has used dai-ichi FR speakers and says that he liked them...
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:55 PM
kung hindi sya nakialam sa isang public thread, hindi nangyari ang nangyari,
he took matters into his own hands na wala syang authority kaya he suffered
the consequences of his actions...ito ang consensus ng mods at agreed upon by Jason...
but water under the bridge na ito...learning lesson na rin kay Mark....
yung Audio Nirvana gawang Taiwan, yung Mark audio ba saan gawa?
sinabi ni Dave na hindi nakialam si Mark, nagkataon lang na yun merge topics sa MA bumagsak and Mark did his thing. kaso lang mainit na lahat, hindi lang members, pati mga mods. plus saving face na kasi ang daming naging error in judgement.
I still see Mark as a victim, pero sabi mo nga water under the bridge na and so it is. yan gusto ko sa DA, pag may hatol na tapos na agad.
Sa HK China gawa ang MA, kaya nandun nakatira si Mark to supervise manufacturing process.
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:55 PM
Markaudio is made in Hong Kong sir but they have their own facility, they also make OEM drivers for some european audio companies...AN on the other hand is outsourced in Taiwan by OEM company Guide Sound: http://www.gui-sound.com/
if they used cheap labor from mainland china, they can sell speakers at very competitive price...
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 01:57 PM
hinid kaya at one time nag inquire sa Dai-ichi ang mga yan?
Dave, planet 10 has used dai-ichi FR speakers and says that he liked them...
may sariling planta si Mark eh so i doubt it.
ok naman dai-ichi ah, gumagamit din ako niyan.
Post by: tony on Feb 27, 2015 at 02:00 PM
may sariling planta si Mark eh so i doubt it.
ok naman dai-ichi ah, gumagamit din ako niyan.
yes, AFAIK, they are sunning Martin Logans there...bantay sarado ng lang kaya walang overuns na pwedeng mabile...
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 02:01 PM
Last year pa nagsasabi si Mark na aalis na sya sa diyaudio dahil nakakadagdag daw sa physical condition nya ang stress nung pagsagot sa ibang members, ngayon natuluyan na.
sinabi ni Dave na hindi nakialam si Mark, nagkataon lang na yun merge topics sa MA bumagsak and Mark did his thing. kaso lang mainit na lahat, hindi lang members, pati mga mods. plus saving face na kasi ang daming naging error in judgement.
I still see Mark as a victim, pero sabi mo nga water under the bridge na and so it is. yan gusto ko sa DA, pag may hatol na tapos na agad.
Sa HK China gawa ang MA, kaya nandun nakatira si Mark to supervise manufacturing process.
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 02:03 PM
may sariling planta si Mark eh so i doubt it.
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 02:03 PM
if they used cheap labor from mainland china, they can sell speakers at very competitive price...
Hindi na cheap ang labor sa China, in fact, halos tablado na sa US ang labor cost. So what's keeping manufacturers to manufacture in China?
Two words, supply chain.
If you need a million gaskets, it's just next door warehouse, if you need a million screws, it's just a block away, if you need anything else, it's within reach. No interstate taxes to worry about, no arguments, no headaches.
Post by: deist on Feb 27, 2015 at 02:06 PM
Hindi na cheap ang labor sa China, in fact, halos tablado na sa US ang labor cost. So what's keeping manufacturers to manufacture in China?
Two words, supply chain.
If you need a million gaskets, it's just next door warehouse, if you need a million screws, it's just a block away, if you need anything else, it's within reach. No interstate taxes to worry about, no arguments, no headaches.
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 02:09 PM
Exactly, kaya nag-plateau na rin ang economic growth nila.
Yun ang BOOM talaga... wala kasing arte eh.
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 27, 2015 at 02:13 PM
yes, AFAIK, they are sunning Martin Logans there...bantay sarado ng lang kaya walang overuns na pwedeng mabile...
yup, they were at the right place, at the right time. kaya nilamon nila ang Micro at AudioVox. laking pasalamat nila sa Pyle Driver at Cerwin Vega.
in hindsight, pasalamat din tayo kasi naging maganda design and quality ng drivers nila.
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 13, 2015 at 12:19 PM
Thanks guys!
edited: for Mark Audio speaker owners.
Post by: RXV on Apr 13, 2015 at 02:43 PM
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 13, 2015 at 03:00 PM
PM'd you sir Nelson :)
Wala ako sir na-receive na PM.
Post by: RXV on Apr 13, 2015 at 03:01 PM
Post by: Gino on Apr 13, 2015 at 03:04 PM
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 13, 2015 at 03:06 PM
2 pairs so 4 pcs.
Yup!!! A pair for each owner.
Post by: RXV on Apr 13, 2015 at 03:16 PM
I really need to finish my enclosure finishing. Baka ito an ang magpipilit sa akin na tapusin na ito :)
Post by: Gino on Apr 13, 2015 at 03:41 PM
Post by: RXV on Apr 13, 2015 at 04:04 PM
Desktop boxes ko nga virgin pa ang screw holes. I wanted the screws to go in just one time he he. Eh alam mo naman ang DIY. It's never finished.
+1000! :)
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 13, 2015 at 05:09 PM
Sana meron din free box? Para kumpleto na... may MA drivers ako dito eh... >:D :P
:-* :-* :-*
Post by: timber715 on Apr 13, 2015 at 05:19 PM
Tukayo,Jo, if you are willing to send your MA's for testing... free box pag nabuo.........
Sana meron din free box? Para kumpleto na... may MA drivers ako dito eh... >:D :P
:-* :-* :-*
Post by: RXV on Apr 13, 2015 at 06:24 PM
Jo, if you are willing to send your MA's for testing... free box pag nabuo.........
Swerte naman! Sama niyo na ang free acoustic foam ni sir Nelson :)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 13, 2015 at 07:26 PM
Tukayo,
Sana meron din free box? Para kumpleto na... may MA drivers ako dito eh... >:D :P
:-* :-* :-*
Jo, if you are willing to send your MA's for testing... free box pag nabuo.........
Ayan naman oh! May driver na, may free enclosure na kung ipapa-hiram, may acoustic absorber na din! But wait, there's more! May session pa sana courtesy of bro Timber. Or pwede din naman dito sa house ko.
Entonces, all tukayo have to do is get the absorbers dito sa house and diretso pahiram na kay bro Timber and drivers.
Sounds like a plan!
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 13, 2015 at 07:50 PM
Jo, if you are willing to send your MA's for testing... free box pag nabuo.........
Timbs... Can I drop it off at Binondo when I'm in the area? Test as long as you want, no time limit....
Thanks brader!
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 13, 2015 at 07:55 PM
Swerte naman! Sama niyo na ang free acoustic foam ni sir Nelson :)
In some instances... the solution just presents itself... ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 13, 2015 at 08:01 PM
Ayan naman oh! May driver na, may free enclosure na kung ipapa-hiram, may acoustic absorber na din! But wait, there's more! May session pa sana courtesy of bro Timber. Or pwede din naman dito sa house ko.
Entonces, all tukayo have to do is get the absorbers dito sa house and diretso pahiram na kay bro Timber and drivers.
Sounds like a plan!
I'll holler when I can swing by tukayo, it could take some time though as time is a rare commodity for me now but we shall get there... Thanks!
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 13, 2015 at 11:15 PM
Will the foam be for box resonance control or for box tuning?
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 14, 2015 at 12:05 AM
I too have a pair of drivers waiting to be boxed til the plywood becomes available.
Will the foam be for box resonance control or for box tuning?
Initially to control the backwaves from the driver inside the box. Effects supposedly is clearer mids and tighter lows. We'll soon find out kapag natapos na ang box ni Timber.
Post by: timber715 on Apr 14, 2015 at 01:01 AM
I too have a pair of drivers waiting to be boxed til the plywood becomes available.Joey, the plywood source said they have no plans at this time to import 3/4" plywood. Consider using what is available which is 1" thick.... Super solid and super heavy as well.
Will the foam be for box resonance control or for box tuning?
Doesn't really look bulky naman.... Eto sample cabinet for the boss, lalagyan ng server ng opis nila.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/19BF4207-9388-41FC-8150-77073F309DE5_zpskz6jkr6q.jpg)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/285B1431-AEF5-4895-A2EC-4F42E3F618AA_zpsutdvcywo.jpg)
Post by: deist on Apr 14, 2015 at 08:52 AM
Kudos to sir Nelson for this offer 8)
Guys, i'm also giving away 2 pairs of my acoustic foams to be installed immediately behind the your Mark Audio Speakers, inside the box. The only "kapalit" is, i want you to make a review of the absorber installed. You can pick it up sa house ko. my mobile number is 0917-6262588.
Thanks guys!
edited: for Mark Audio speaker owners.
Post by: deist on Apr 14, 2015 at 08:56 AM
Joey, the plywood source said they have no plans at this time to import 3/4" plywood. Consider using what is available which is 1" thick.... Super solid and super heavy as well.
Doesn't really look bulky naman.... Eto sample cabinet for the boss, lalagyan ng server ng opis nila.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/19BF4207-9388-41FC-8150-77073F309DE5_zpskz6jkr6q.jpg)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/285B1431-AEF5-4895-A2EC-4F42E3F618AA_zpsutdvcywo.jpg)
Post by: deist on Apr 14, 2015 at 08:59 AM
I too have a pair of drivers waiting to be boxed til the plywood becomes available.
Will the foam be for box resonance control or for box tuning?
Initially to control the backwaves from the driver inside the box. Effects supposedly is clearer mids and tighter lows. We'll soon find out kapag natapos na ang box ni Timber.
Post by: deist on Apr 14, 2015 at 09:02 AM
Jo, if you are willing to send your MA's for testing... free box pag nabuo.........
Post by: Gino on Apr 14, 2015 at 09:41 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 14, 2015 at 10:34 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 14, 2015 at 10:38 AM
Thanks for the info update.
Joey, the plywood source said they have no plans at this time to import 3/4" plywood. Consider using what is available which is 1" thick.... Super solid and super heavy as well.
Doesn't really look bulky naman....
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 14, 2015 at 10:40 AM
Hayyy!!! brader Jo, kung sususwertehin ka nga naman! Ayan, wala ka ng excuse to procrastinate the building of your MA speakers ;)
Kita mo naman brader, nagtanong lang naman ako baka sakali meron kasamang box - akalain mo meron nga! ;D
The luck is having friends like you guys. Makukulit at masaya. ;)
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 14, 2015 at 10:42 AM
Sige let's go with the 1". We'll just maintain the internal volume as specified in the drawings.
Thanks for the info update.
I also vote for the 1". :)
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 14, 2015 at 10:43 AM
Joey, the plywood source said they have no plans at this time to import 3/4" plywood. Consider using what is available which is 1" thick.... Super solid and super heavy as well.
Doesn't really look bulky naman.... Eto sample cabinet for the boss, lalagyan ng server ng opis nila.
Imho, napaganda pa nga na walang 3/4" and 1" lang ang available. Blessing in disguise na yan, I vote for 1".
Post by: RXV on Apr 14, 2015 at 10:47 AM
Imho, napaganda pa nga na walang 3/4" and 1" lang ang available. Blessing in disguise na yan, I vote for 1".
1" is the sweetspot!
Post by: RXV on Apr 14, 2015 at 10:48 AM
Kita mo naman brader, nagtanong lang naman ako baka sakali meron kasamang box - akalain mo meron nga! ;D
The luck is having friends like you guys. Makukulit at masaya. ;)
Wala bang willing magbigay ng FREE M.A. drivers diyan?
(Nagbabasakali lang baka may biglang maging generous hahaha)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 14, 2015 at 11:26 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 14, 2015 at 11:28 AM
MDF pwede din tukayo.
Post by: deist on Apr 14, 2015 at 01:24 PM
MDF pwede din tukayo.
Post by: deist on Apr 14, 2015 at 01:31 PM
Wala bang willing magbigay ng FREE M.A. drivers diyan?
(Nagbabasakali lang baka may biglang maging generous hahaha)
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 14, 2015 at 05:06 PM
Wala bang willing magbigay ng FREE M.A. drivers diyan?
(Nagbabasakali lang baka may biglang maging generous hahaha)
Hahaha pwede pwede... thinking out loud lang naman... ;D
MDF is a good material, some say that it is more "dead" than any plywood but the problem is most MDF uses formaldehyde as a binding agent. Working with it, inhaling the dust and fumes is more hazardous than solid wood or ply.
I know it's "denser" than any plywood but I didn't knew that it's a hazmat pala. :(
Post by: RXV on Apr 15, 2015 at 08:55 AM
The MA community have tried and tested several types of wood and Birch ply provided the best results.
Birch plywood is best, per hirap kasi i-source e pati wala yatang 4'x8' size. For my enclosure, I used Sta. Clara marine plywood, which is being used for boats. It's so heavy/dense, I swear kasing bigat (if not, even heavier) than 4'x8' MDF. Di ako nagsisisi sa choice ko.
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 15, 2015 at 10:13 AM
Birch plywood is best, per hirap kasi i-source e pati wala yatang 4'x8' size. For my enclosure, I used Sta. Clara marine plywood, which is being used for boats. It's so heavy/dense, I swear kasing bigat (if not, even heavier) than 4'x8' MDF. Di ako nagsisisi sa choice ko.
Post by: deist on Apr 15, 2015 at 11:36 AM
Where did you buy yours & how much? TIA :)
Birch plywood is best, per hirap kasi i-source e pati wala yatang 4'x8' size. For my enclosure, I used Sta. Clara marine plywood, which is being used for boats. It's so heavy/dense, I swear kasing bigat (if not, even heavier) than 4'x8' MDF. Di ako nagsisisi sa choice ko.
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 15, 2015 at 12:06 PM
Even ang surface, very stiff, 13 ply , dense -no void, 18mm thk ^-^
(http://www.qdgoldluck.com/uploadfile/13%20plies%20film%20faced%20plywood.jpg)
Post by: deist on Apr 15, 2015 at 12:34 PM
Used film faced plywood on my last build.
Even ang surface, very stiff, 13 ply , dense -no void, 18mm thk ^-^
(http://www.qdgoldluck.com/uploadfile/13%20plies%20film%20faced%20plywood.jpg)
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 15, 2015 at 12:38 PM
Post by: edrel sison on Apr 15, 2015 at 01:02 PM
Used film faced plywood on my last build.pare how much yung ganitong board and where can one get it? thanks.
Even ang surface, very stiff, 13 ply , dense -no void, 18mm thk ^-^
(http://www.qdgoldluck.com/uploadfile/13%20plies%20film%20faced%20plywood.jpg)
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 15, 2015 at 01:09 PM
available din sa mga suking hardwares & lumber construction supplies
nasa P1200 - 1500 per 4'x8' sheet.
Post by: RXV on Apr 15, 2015 at 01:34 PM
Hi RXV, that's a good alternative. I've heard of Santa Clara ply, madalas i-recommend ng mga boat makers yan. Sa mga putol mo wala ka bang nakitang voids between plies?
Where did you buy yours & how much? TIA :)
Sta. Calara Plywood has a list of cerified sellers around Metro Manila. I had to get mine at Balintawak area pa. As far as I remember, Sta. Clara plywood is double the cost of regular plywood.
Yes, may voids pa rin, pero minimal lang, siguro 2-3%. A wood-knock test on my enclosure proves its density/rigidity.
Post by: Joken on Apr 15, 2015 at 01:34 PM
sir, marami naka-advertise sa OLX.ph....phenolic plywood / board
available din sa mga suking hardwares & lumber construction supplies
nasa P1200 - 1500 per 4'x8' sheet.
nice. thanks for this info bro. baka magawan ko na ng box yung an alnico ko :)
Post by: timber715 on Apr 15, 2015 at 01:36 PM
Used film faced plywood on my last build.That is commonly used for making concrete forms.... They do not accept paint easily bec that is the nature of the laminate and the reason why it is used for the forms.
Even ang surface, very stiff, 13 ply , dense -no void, 18mm thk ^-^
(http://www.qdgoldluck.com/uploadfile/13%20plies%20film%20faced%20plywood.jpg)
Post by: RXV on Apr 15, 2015 at 01:38 PM
Used film faced plywood on my last build.
Even ang surface, very stiff, 13 ply , dense -no void, 18mm thk ^-^
(http://www.qdgoldluck.com/uploadfile/13%20plies%20film%20faced%20plywood.jpg)
Sir, how did you apply wood glue to the adjoining areas kung may film na? Wood to wood kasi ang best adhesion di ba? Tinapyas mo pa ba ang film? or 45 degree cut? Or used another adhesive (construction adhesive, epoxy)?
Pero parang ok nga yang phenolic board, dahil may smooth finish na.
Post by: deist on Apr 15, 2015 at 01:53 PM
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 15, 2015 at 02:23 PM
A possible issue I see is with the reflective surface of the film/laminated face; if you are using it inside the speaker box, sound-waves will bounce back & forth.
May solution jan. :D
Post by: deist on Apr 15, 2015 at 02:26 PM
May solution jan. :D
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 15, 2015 at 02:31 PM
Post by: RXV on Apr 15, 2015 at 02:33 PM
The film is very thin, sanded [exposing the wood] the portion to be joined. Roughened the whole interior surface before application of lining. I'm experimenting only with different enclosures sizes & configuration. I work in a construction, have unlimited supplies of form plywood on site ;D.
Nice, madali lang pala i-sand. Meron bang phenolic board na 1 sided film lang? para yung outer part lang yung may film finish
Post by: deist on Apr 15, 2015 at 02:41 PM
I dont suggest lining the entire length of the box walls with foam, that will add mass to the internal volume and if the added mass wasnt taken into consideration when designing the box then it will alter the alignment, in other words mawawala sa tono ang kahon.
It might give an illusion of better bass but basically it's just bloated lows and at the expense of other frequency range mostly in mid highs to highs. Been there, done that ;)
The film is very thin, sanded [exposing the wood] the portion to be joined. Roughened the whole interior surface before application of lining. I'm experimenting only with different enclosures sizes & configuration. I work in a construction, have unlimited supplies of form plywood on site ;D.
Post by: deist on Apr 15, 2015 at 02:43 PM
Nice, madali lang pala i-sand. Meron bang phenolic board na 1 sided film lang? para yung outer part lang yung may film finish
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 15, 2015 at 02:50 PM
meron nga na may film ung 1 face & rough naman on the other face.
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 15, 2015 at 03:03 PM
On my next build i'm contemplating on DBR
http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf (http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf)
http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf (http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf)
may nakasubok na ba nito....
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 15, 2015 at 03:26 PM
Will you be using the Alpair 7.3?
Back to the topic....
On my next build i'm contemplating on DBR
http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf (http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf)
http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf (http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf)
may nakasubok na ba nito....
Post by: deist on Apr 15, 2015 at 03:33 PM
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 15, 2015 at 04:48 PM
@fredreadrick - meron akong nakitang build nyan, 2 X Alpair 7.3 copper color sa dating MA thread sa diyaudio, ginamit for monitoring sa studio. Ok daw, pumapalag sa high end genelec studio monitors.thank you sir, hanapin ko yan.
pero 12p na plan ko para wala ng "what if? ^-^
Post by: RXV on Apr 15, 2015 at 05:36 PM
thank you sir, hanapin ko yan.
pero 12p na plan ko para wala ng "what if? ^-^
For me, although the signature Markaudio sound is inherent in all of their drivers, there are sonic diiferences in sound per model, especially in metal vs paper material. I have both Alpair 10p (paper) and 7.3 (metal), and they exhibit slight differences in sound because of their material, each having their own strengths/highlights. It really depends on your listening preference
Post by: deist on Apr 15, 2015 at 07:27 PM
If I may ask, ano ang goal mo for your MA build?
thank you sir, hanapin ko yan.
pero 12p na plan ko para wala ng "what if? ^-^
Post by: deist on Apr 15, 2015 at 07:47 PM
Another example; Markaudio's metal cones vs Paper cones, it's easy to conclude that the metal cone will sound more "bright" if you consider the characteristics of both cone materials, not the case again, the paper coned 10P has a peak around 600hz (which can be seen in the published frequency response graph) giving it a more pronounced/forward vocals compared to the 10.3M.
For me choosing a specific MA driver boils down to the need of the application. With MAs it doesn't necessarily mean that bigger is better. I also like that Mark didn't enter the realm of magnet wars. This whole magnet craze for me is more of a marketing strategy. A specific type of magnet, like other rare metals has level of grades or quality. A low grade neodymium/alnico doesn't guarantee a staggering improvement in sound quality vs. a high grade ferrite magnet.
For me, although the signature Markaudio sound is inherent in all of their drivers, there are sonic diiferences in sound per model, especially in metal vs paper material. I have both Alpair 10p (paper) and 7.3 (metal), and they exhibit slight differences in sound because of their material, each having their own strengths/highlights. It really depends on your listening preference
Post by: RXV on Apr 15, 2015 at 08:12 PM
For me choosing a specific MA driver boils down to the need of the application. With MAs it doesn't necessarily mean that bigger is better. I also like that Mark didn't enter the realm of magnet wars. This whole magnet craze for me is more of a marketing strategy. A specific type of magnet, like other rare metals has level of grades or quality. A low grade neodymium/alnico doesn't guarantee a staggering improvement in sound quality vs. a high grade ferrite magnet.
I agree with this. Andaming nagsilabasan na neodymium magnet na speakers, pero average to poor reviews naman.
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 15, 2015 at 09:00 PM
If I may ask, ano ang goal mo for your MA build?
Sir,
I always listen to music...
Meron na akong AN Super 12 AlNiCo, very happy with it.
My experience with MA was CHR70 only. I asked myself "kung yung size & price ng CHR70 eh ang ganda ng tunog sa simpleng enclosure, ano pa kaya yung hi-end model?"
So why build another one? Aside from the pleasure of creating something that i'll enjoy, minsan naghahanap din ng ibang flavor.
Napa-dalawang isip ako dun sa reply mo kay sir RXV, nasagot yung mga questions sa isip ko. Thanks.
Mukhang back to drawing board uli kung anong driver kukunin ko ^-^
(http://s5.postimg.org/ym8yv0ulz/MA_Comparison.jpg)
Post by: RXV on Apr 15, 2015 at 10:30 PM
Sir,
I always listen to music...
Meron na akong AN Super 12 AlNiCo, very happy with it.
My experience with MA was CHR70 only. I asked myself "kung yung size & price ng CHR70 eh ang ganda ng tunog sa simpleng enclosure, ano pa kaya yung hi-end model?"
So why build another one? Aside from the pleasure of creating something that i'll enjoy, minsan naghahanap din ng ibang flavor.
Napa-dalawang isip ako dun sa reply mo kay sir RXV, nasagot yung mga questions sa isip ko. Thanks.
Mukhang back to drawing board uli kung anong driver kukunin ko ^-^
(http://s5.postimg.org/ym8yv0ulz/MA_Comparison.jpg)
Siguro sir, para hindi sayang time, effort and money ninyo, it's best to audition already built M.A. speaker/enclosures, para may basis ka na agad ng flavor ng gusto niyong M.A.
Audio Nirvanas are very nice indeed, narinig ko yung 8" dati ni sir Remington, lakas ng bass at puno ang details, paano pa kaya yung 12" ninyo? :)
Both ANs and MAs, although having the same FR characterisics, exhibit their own sonic signature. It really depends on your listening preference e.
I have Alpair 10Ps if you want to hear it. Although di pa tapos finishing. Masyadong busy hehe.
I also have Alpair 7.3s, but it will be placed in my car for near field listening (Also hindi pa tapos haha).
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 15, 2015 at 11:59 PM
Pagbalik ko, for sure subukan ko audition yung mga builds nyo. Post nyo na lang muna kahit di pa tapos, inspiration din yan. Thanks
-Fred
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 16, 2015 at 12:15 AM
To get bass from the 4-6" drivers, use the floor standers. You will have no problems on the mids and highs since Mark has built the drivers with very light materials which makes it so responsive. Bass can be produced thru the best box and right stuffing.
Post by: timber715 on Apr 16, 2015 at 12:58 AM
Also, why hasn't there been a build na centered ang speaker mounting? Or maybe I just missed it....
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 16, 2015 at 01:11 AM
What do you mean by centered speaker mounting?
Joey, have you ever seen a build ng 70.3 na hindi ported? If you have, would you know the internal volume it needs... Otherwise will probably port.
Also, why hasn't there been a build na centered ang speaker mounting? Or maybe I just missed it....
Post by: timber715 on Apr 16, 2015 at 02:34 AM
Here's your sealed box: http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/P10free/mMarS-1v0-map-231009.pdf (http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/P10free/mMarS-1v0-map-231009.pdf)Thanks for the link...
What do you mean by centered speaker mounting?
Regarding the speaker placement, most if not all the designs have the speakers mounted higher than the centerline. Does this affect the sq or they just raised it?
Post by: deist on Apr 16, 2015 at 10:17 AM
(http://p10hifi.net/FH/images/FHxl-FH3-P7.jpg)
Drivers in the pic are (from left to right): Alpair 10P EnAbled, Alpair 7P & Alpair 7.3. The enclosure for the Alpair 10P is called Frugel-Horn-XL or FHXL, it's supposed to produce extended, dynamic bass better than any other enclosure published for MA drivers while maintaining clarity in details in mids & highs. Since you said you have access to building materials, go for this na para naman makarinig ako ng MAs in frugel horn ;) 8) O0
But I like that you are trying different driver brands, every DIYer should do the same. I'm also checking out other brands for a future project.
Sir,
I always listen to music...
Meron na akong AN Super 12 AlNiCo, very happy with it.
My experience with MA was CHR70 only. I asked myself "kung yung size & price ng CHR70 eh ang ganda ng tunog sa simpleng enclosure, ano pa kaya yung hi-end model?"
So why build another one? Aside from the pleasure of creating something that i'll enjoy, minsan naghahanap din ng ibang flavor.
Napa-dalawang isip ako dun sa reply mo kay sir RXV, nasagot yung mga questions sa isip ko. Thanks.
Mukhang back to drawing board uli kung anong driver kukunin ko ^-^
(http://s5.postimg.org/ym8yv0ulz/MA_Comparison.jpg)
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM
Thanks for the link...
Regarding the speaker placement, most if not all the designs have the speakers mounted higher than the centerline. Does this affect the sq or they just raised it?
Theoretically, the location of the driver on a sealed enclosure doesn't really matter (in a perfect world so to speak). However, on vented enclosures, there is a minimum and maximum distance for the driver and the port so that the port does not unload the driver below the port's resonant frequency. This is just for the location of the port wrt the driver.
As for being above the centerline, here's what I can remember from memory.
1. Being above the centerline provides the least baffle plane resonance occuring being more reinforced as it approaches the edges of the enclosure.
2. Diffraction. Mounting the driver/s with an offset from the centerline changes the time and frequency domains of diffraction, however, this does not reduce the amount of energy re-radiated by the internal walls. This is where stuffing is mainly used - unfortunately, most builders I see use stuffing as if it is a band aid to change the box frequency response.
As sound waves like to bounce from hard surfaces, stuffing is supposed to aid in eliminating reflection, diffraction, or bounce NOT to change the box frequency response. If you are using stuffing like that then that means you have designed the wrong box for that particular driver.
In FR drivers/enclosure designs, the design and volume of the box most certainly dictates the lowest frequency possible to be reproduced. But overdoing it will result in unloading the driver below the lowest frequency the driver and box is designed for, thus, instead of the box reinforcing the driver and having more bass, you actually reduce the amount of bass because the driver sees the unwarranted increase in the box size as if it were in free air.
3. Mounting the driver with an offset from the centerline also introduces a change in the phase angle of the mids and highs wrt the low frequencies. Distribution that aids directionality is what we're after here. This my friend is what gives height, depth and imaging to the music we hear coming out of the driver/box combination.
:)
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 16, 2015 at 10:57 AM
Thanks for the link...
Regarding the speaker placement, most if not all the designs have the speakers mounted higher than the centerline. Does this affect the sq or they just raised it?
Brader,
In acoustic engineering, everything has a reason behind it (usually also comes with a compromise in real world scenarios). Hindi pwede dito yun hula-hula lang or kasi gusto mo lang. This is for the same reason why a B&W driver installed (or transplanted) in another box will not sound like a B&W anymore.
It is a discipline most involved in Physics and Math. It's no joke, but everything is laid out already, all we have to do is follow the path. I believe this is what Mark Fenlon has been trying to do for the longest time, provide solid, verified and real-world tested enclosures for his drivers.
Someone once asked in DA... "Will MA driver box designs also work with other FR drivers like Fostex?"... the simplest answer is NO, unless, the Fostex driver has the exact driver characteristics as the MA driver. If one insists in doing so, then it would be just a hit or miss affair.
:)
Post by: timber715 on Apr 16, 2015 at 11:31 AM
Post by: deist on Apr 16, 2015 at 12:24 PM
But if you will read the posts & replies here marami kang mapupulot and most of them are facts. Imagine if we just keep on posting "upgrade na" or "go for this or for that" without asking the right questions then we are just doing everyone a disservice, and most builds siguro will end up in the market place. The last thing we want to do is spread misinformation, there's too much of that going around already ;)
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 16, 2015 at 12:49 PM
Noon bata pa ako (hindi pa naman ganun katagal iyon ;D), my brothers have a subscription to a local electronics magazine Electronics Enthusiasts. It contains electronics projects that has very nice and detailed documentation and Alexan Commercial (now Ace Electronic Technology, Inc) in Elcano St., Divisoria sells kits, complete with pre-made and pre-drilled PCBs and parts.
It was so successful that other local electronics entrepreneurs like CMC, Elco, and even Deeco's Miyama brand dived into electronics kit selling. The edge Alexan has over these other businesses was it has Electronics Enthusiast (or EE mag as we call it) to back it up and provide detailed building steps, calibration and testing and even suggests enclosures for your kit projects whereas the others only has photo-copied schematics and parts placement guides. You are left to your own devices in case it doesn't work.
MA is like Alexan and EE, it has readily available plans that has been tried and tested. Just choose your driver and a suitable box plan and you have an excellent chance of ending up with a viable product. All the work has been done already for the user, all one needs to do is pick one that suits the bill and they're off. :)
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 16, 2015 at 04:52 PM
Bro, my question is more on the application you intend to use it...Sir, i grew up with my brother having speakers in every room in the house. Even in toilet & laundry area. We went to sleep with the music on. He built amplifiers & speakers from Raon, while i was into a band.
To answer your question:
*Listening Room - Alpair-10P-A or 12P [FS]
*Bedroom Room - CHP-70A-P [BS]
*Den/Work - Alpair-7A Gold[Monitor]
Libre naman mangarap ;D
Post by: timber715 on Apr 16, 2015 at 05:07 PM
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/77EAB291-86FE-4807-9EC2-63B3FC442B86_zpshf7b8iot.jpg)
another 2 hours siguro at yung speaker na lang hihintayin :)
Post by: Cjtjader on Apr 16, 2015 at 05:22 PM
Jo, after 1 hour of machining...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/77EAB291-86FE-4807-9EC2-63B3FC442B86_zpshf7b8iot.jpg)
another 2 hours siguro at yung speaker na lang hihintayin :)
Para saan driver yan, brader Sonny?
Post by: timber715 on Apr 16, 2015 at 05:47 PM
Para saan driver yan, brader Sonny?chr 70.3... lalalala
test cut using 1" birch plywood... eto na sya after 2 hours. finally nagumpisa na lumabas yung curve....
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/B9BFFA05-41CF-44D4-95C1-CC773961B37A_zpsqifkunns.jpg)
Post by: Cjtjader on Apr 16, 2015 at 06:12 PM
chr 70.3... lalalala
test cut using 1" birch plywood... eto na sya after 2 hours. finally nagumpisa na lumabas yung curve....
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/B9BFFA05-41CF-44D4-95C1-CC773961B37A_zpsqifkunns.jpg)
Nice, brader! Paki pm nmn dimension nyan!....:)
Post by: timber715 on Apr 16, 2015 at 06:24 PM
Nice, brader! Paki pm nmn dimension nyan!....:)so far, 11 x 16.6 inches pa lang, wala pa yung body eh....
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 16, 2015 at 06:29 PM
Pwede pang near-field yan sa DJ setup ko ah...
Post by: timber715 on Apr 16, 2015 at 06:44 PM
Nice brader Timbs! 8)after 3 hours... roughing pa rin. huhuhu
Pwede pang near-field yan sa DJ setup ko ah...
pero maganda na o.... ;)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/D1160692-4221-432A-B89C-8E6C232BC373_zps7ejbddwm.jpg)
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 16, 2015 at 06:47 PM
Post by: timber715 on Apr 16, 2015 at 06:53 PM
Birch ply yan brad?yup yup....
Post by: Cjtjader on Apr 16, 2015 at 06:58 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 16, 2015 at 07:11 PM
yup yup....
machinable parang solid wood lang ah...
Post by: timber715 on Apr 16, 2015 at 07:27 PM
maganda yung bit brader.... Freud!
machinable parang solid wood lang ah...
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 16, 2015 at 08:02 PM
maganda yung bit brader.... Freud!
naks kala ko Whiteside! 8)
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 16, 2015 at 10:21 PM
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 16, 2015 at 11:56 PM
Post by: timber715 on Apr 17, 2015 at 12:06 AM
Ang ganda nga! Kaya ba yan na stain finish? Timber, may nagawa ka nang stain finish using that?Stain will not work well in this case brader... Grains run across each other and will absorb differently. Imo, it should be finished either the way it looks or painted (piano finish would be my preference).
Drawback in this build is the machine timeis way too much. 3 hours makes this build terribly costly and I am still looking at at least another 2 hours more. That is just for the face pa lang ha?! Paano pa if decide to make the enclosure complicated as well... So maybe baka simple na lang.
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 17, 2015 at 01:21 AM
Stain will not work well in this case brader... Grains run across each other and will absorb differently. Imo, it should be finished either the way it looks or painted (piano finish would be my preference).
Drawback in this build is the machine timeis way too much. 3 hours makes this build terribly costly and I am still looking at at least another 2 hours more. That is just for the face pa lang ha?! Paano pa if decide to make the enclosure complicated as well... So maybe baka simple na lang.
Is it because the driver is flush mounted?
Post by: timber715 on Apr 17, 2015 at 01:33 AM
Post by: deist on Apr 17, 2015 at 09:48 AM
Sir, i grew up with my brother having speakers in every room in the house. Even in toilet & laundry area. We went to sleep with the music on. He built amplifiers & speakers from Raon, while i was into a band.
To answer your question:
*Listening Room - Alpair-10P-A or 12P [FS]
*Bedroom Room - CHP-70A-P [BS]
*Den/Work - Alpair-7A Gold[Monitor]
Libre naman mangarap ;D
Post by: deist on Apr 17, 2015 at 09:49 AM
chr 70.3... lalalala
test cut using 1" birch plywood... eto na sya after 2 hours. finally nagumpisa na lumabas yung curve....
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/B9BFFA05-41CF-44D4-95C1-CC773961B37A_zpsqifkunns.jpg)
Post by: deist on Apr 17, 2015 at 09:50 AM
hats off to you master woodworker 8)
Not only that brader, the face itself is also curved kasi. I wanted the front portion to be clear from the driver opening. The curve naman, well I want it to provide less resistance when sound is reflected back into it (if that even matters :) ) plus aesthetic na rin....
Post by: deist on Apr 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM
Ang ganda naman naman naman........ Nakakaenganyo!
Post by: RXV on Apr 17, 2015 at 10:12 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM
May I ask why it takes so long to machine-cut your enclosure? CnC ba yan or mano-mano lang? Di ba dapat minutes lang dapat kung CnC? Or is there something that I do not know?
CNC yan, but as in any routing process, the depth of cut is distributed in several passes instead of one pass. Plus Timbs is cutting in 3 dimensions (not to be confused with 3D), he's cutting in X, Y and Z axis. The machine has to be slowed down because of the material and the tool head. Too much feedrate is bad for the work piece.
If this where a plasma head and a sheet metal work piece then it would be lightning fast.
Ironically... slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM
Not only that brader, the face itself is also curved kasi. I wanted the front portion to be clear from the driver opening. The curve naman, well I want it to provide less resistance when sound is reflected back into it (if that even matters :) ) plus aesthetic na rin....
Baka pagnatapos na yan mapagkamalang Sonus yan brader.
Post by: deist on Apr 17, 2015 at 12:48 PM
kaabang-abang to brader Sonny ;) I'd like to see this in piano finish: black + copper/gold MA drivers >:D O0
Post by: timber715 on Apr 17, 2015 at 01:13 PM
May I ask why it takes so long to machine-cut your enclosure? CnC ba yan or mano-mano lang? Di ba dapat minutes lang dapat kung CnC? Or is there something that I do not know?Would you have cnc background? Would really like to learn how to cut 3d files in mins. Baka pwede mo ako ma guide.
Post by: RXV on Apr 17, 2015 at 01:14 PM
CNC yan, but as in any routing process, the depth of cut is distributed in several passes instead of one pass. Plus Timbs is cutting in 3 dimensions (not to be confused with 3D), he's cutting in X, Y and Z axis. The machine has to be slowed down because of the material and the tool head. Too much feedrate is bad for the work piece.
If this where a plasma head and a sheet metal work piece then it would be lightning fast.
Ironically... slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
Oh yes, I now understand. Nagulat lang ako kasi inabot ng 3 hours ang front face pa lang. It must be that extensive.
Post by: RXV on Apr 17, 2015 at 01:15 PM
Would you have cnc background? Would really like to learn how to cut 3d files in mins. Baka pwede mo ako ma guide.
Ah hindi po sir :)
It's just that I saw in youtube videos how fast CnC machines cut through pre-designed speaker cabinets in 4x8' in minutes :)
Post by: RXV on Apr 17, 2015 at 01:18 PM
Yung curved front pa lang, susmaryosep di ko ma-imagine kung paano gagawin ng mano-mano ;D :o
kaabang-abang to brader Sonny ;) I'd like to see this in piano finish: black + copper/gold MA drivers >:D O0
Ala Klipsch/KEF style ba?
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 17, 2015 at 01:25 PM
Oh yes, I now understand. Nagulat lang ako kasi inabot ng 3 hours ang front face pa lang. It must be that extensive.
That was one of my goals before when I built my CNC. But now, I sometimes mill circuit boards for hours din sir, time is a factor in the quality of work kasi.
Some would say... "bakit ka pa nag CNC kung matagal din pala?"
The simplest answer is precision, and it's a repeatable process too.
Ang sagot ko nga minsan... "sige subukan mo mag etch ng mano-mano na 0.5mm pitch..." ;D ;D ;D
Besides, you can do other things while the CNC is working like read FHM magazines etc... >:D
Post by: majoe on Apr 17, 2015 at 03:49 PM
Ah hindi po sir :)
It's just that I saw in youtube videos how fast CnC machines cut through pre-designed speaker cabinets in 4x8' in minutes :)
depende din kasi sa klase ng cnc machine. yung malalaking precision cnc machine, kayang kaya pabilisin yan. syempre, depende din sa materyales na i ma machine.
Post by: timber715 on Apr 18, 2015 at 12:24 AM
Ah hindi po sir :)Ah sa youtube.... Baka 2d cut ang nakita mo.... 3d cuts move half a millimiter per pass for finishing cuts. For roughing, it varies. Pwede aggressive pwede rin conservative. Since this is my second time cutting 3d, conservative cut was my choice. Both bits and the material is quite pricey and I prefer not to break them. Until I get more proficient then maybe then it could be faster.
It's just that I saw in youtube videos how fast CnC machines cut through pre-designed speaker cabinets in 4x8' in minutes :)
Going back to youtube here is the difference...
2.5d cuts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wzSjsmbrfU
3d cuts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLWc4OYZGQc
This one carved out a face.... It only took 3 days of cutting at 24 hours a day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcOQpAj_Ovc
Post by: RXV on Apr 18, 2015 at 10:22 AM
I also did a similar shaping to wood, mano-mano lang nga at 1" thick lang hahaha. And destroyed my back :)
Excited to see your build soon
Post by: Gino on Apr 18, 2015 at 10:34 AM
I told JojoD818 that a standing desk is ideal for long hours of soldering. Rest when the legs are tired. Better the legs than the back.
Pacing is another thing. We DIYers tend to finish the job asap. REST and HYDRATE. Rest before your body hurts. Just like in running, we have to walk sometimes. Same with DIY.
Post by: RXV on Apr 18, 2015 at 11:40 AM
The secret to caring for the back is a correct height work table and pacing. Table should be high enough so you don't have to bend as much. It must be low enough so that you can apply necessary body weight for the task. These may be several table.
I told JojoD818 that a standing desk is ideal for long hours of soldering. Rest when the legs are tired. Better the legs than the back.
Pacing is another thing. We DIYers tend to finish the job asap. REST and HYDRATE. Rest before your body hurts. Just like in running, we have to walk sometimes. Same with DIY.
Yun na nga problem sa akin Gino. When it comes to work, minsan I neglect my body na, puro focus sa job at hand, ayun, tinatamaan tuloy ang katawan. But at least I'm happy with my DIY'ing hahaha.
That's the reason why I wasn't able to finish my enclosure finishing before, tinamaan likod ko, so I was forced to rest for a long time, hanggang sa naging busy na at lahat haha
Post by: Gino on Apr 18, 2015 at 11:53 AM
Post by: RXV on Apr 18, 2015 at 11:57 AM
Bata ka pa ang lagay na yan. Wait until you are my age. Kaya strengthen your core habang bata and pace yourself.
Haha lesson learned. But yes, I will finish my enclosure na soon :)
Post by: J-M on May 03, 2015 at 04:58 PM
Post by: Gino on May 04, 2015 at 09:18 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on May 04, 2015 at 02:14 PM
Post by: J-M on May 04, 2015 at 04:23 PM
As chance would have it, Mark replied already and directed to me Evan. Still waiting to hear from him if he has a shop I can visit when I'm in there.
Spoke to Neo already sometime ago, if I can't get them in HK then I'll have a pair couriered from SG instead.
Post by: deist on May 04, 2015 at 10:37 PM
Didn't know about the health issues, hope he gets better.
As chance would have it, Mark replied already and directed to me Evan. Still waiting to hear from him if he has a shop I can visit when I'm in there.
Spoke to Neo already sometime ago, if I can't get them in HK then I'll have a pair couriered from SG instead.
Mark has been battling the big "C" for a few years now.
He must have referred you to Evan Yu. I think Mark is now transitioning daily tasks to his second in command - Evan. Each Alpair 10P is marked with "Developed by Evan Yu". I say wait for Evan's reply first then go with Neo if HK option doesn't push thru.
Good luck :)
Post by: timber715 on May 21, 2015 at 03:20 AM
Best is to order in Singapore. Go to the MA Singapore website and get in touch with Neo. He can arrange courier of the driversJoey, have you ordered your regen yet? Sorry for ot...
Post by: RXV on May 24, 2015 at 11:50 PM
Just wanna share my DIY build of the Markaudio Alpair10P.
Sorry for the crappy pics, I don't have a professional camera :)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA1_zpsjjpxlfkk.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA2_zpssd2o9g6i.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA3_zpsnyv5w6gi.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA4_zpsxbmvr9xh.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/IMG_20150515_203407_zpsad48dtbz.jpg)
Post by: shrek7 on May 25, 2015 at 06:37 AM
Hi guys,wow!!! ang Ganda naman nyan sir!!! di mukhang DIY...
Just wanna share my DIY build of the Markaudio Alpair10P.
Sorry for the crappy pics, I don't have a professional camera :)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA1_zpsjjpxlfkk.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA2_zpssd2o9g6i.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA3_zpsnyv5w6gi.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA4_zpsxbmvr9xh.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/IMG_20150515_203407_zpsad48dtbz.jpg)
mukha kasing isasali sa HI-FI show!!! congrats sir, you have made a very nice speaker that will surely satisfy the ears and the eyes...
Post by: n o l on May 25, 2015 at 07:40 AM
Post by: nbc on May 25, 2015 at 07:51 AM
Hi guys,I wish i had the skill to make something like that. :(
Just wanna share my DIY build of the Markaudio Alpair10P.
Sorry for the crappy pics, I don't have a professional camera :)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA1_zpsjjpxlfkk.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA2_zpssd2o9g6i.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA3_zpsnyv5w6gi.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA4_zpsxbmvr9xh.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/IMG_20150515_203407_zpsad48dtbz.jpg)
nbc
Post by: nogo on May 25, 2015 at 08:22 AM
Hi guys,
Just wanna share my DIY build of the Markaudio Alpair10P.
Sorry for the crappy pics, I don't have a professional camera :)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA1_zpsjjpxlfkk.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA2_zpssd2o9g6i.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA3_zpsnyv5w6gi.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA4_zpsxbmvr9xh.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/IMG_20150515_203407_zpsad48dtbz.jpg)
Ganda sir. Kaya pala tinatago hangga't hindi matapos, kakaganda pala.
Parang commercial, high end na speakers na nakita ko sa net.
Congrats sir.
Post by: Courage on May 25, 2015 at 08:31 AM
Hi guys,
Just wanna share my DIY build of the Markaudio Alpair10P.
Sorry for the crappy pics, I don't have a professional camera :)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA1_zpsjjpxlfkk.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA2_zpssd2o9g6i.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA3_zpsnyv5w6gi.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA4_zpsxbmvr9xh.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/IMG_20150515_203407_zpsad48dtbz.jpg)
Wowwww.. Ang ganda... Parang hindi diy.... Yan ba pakikinggan natin bro? Awesome....
Post by: Superman on May 25, 2015 at 08:50 AM
Post by: mykel18 on May 25, 2015 at 09:27 AM
Post by: cyberdraven on May 25, 2015 at 09:44 AM
Post by: tony on May 25, 2015 at 09:58 AM
Ganda tumunog nito! heard it last week paired with a tube amp. Anlaki ng box and ganda ng finishing. Sabi ko nga Sonus Alpair! hehehe!
details please? me kilala ako, binenta yung mark audio nya...
hindi raw maganda ang off axis response.... >:D >:D >:D
Post by: cyberdraven on May 25, 2015 at 10:46 AM
details please? me kilala ako, binenta yung mark audio nya...
hindi raw maganda ang off axis response.... >:D >:D >:D
hindi ko nga alam paano tumunog ang off-axis, lalo na ung on-axis.
paktay tayo dyan. hahaha
Post by: remington on May 25, 2015 at 11:05 AM
Post by: camoteque on May 25, 2015 at 11:21 AM
Post by: camoteque on May 25, 2015 at 11:25 AM
hindi ko nga alam paano tumunog ang off-axis, lalo na ung on-axis.
paktay tayo dyan. hahaha
Usually high frequencies ang affected kapag off-axis due to beaming.
Di naman problema for critical listening dahil most of the time ang owner ng speakers ay nakaupo naman sa sweet spot.
Post by: RXV on May 25, 2015 at 12:52 PM
Matagal ko na siya actually ginagamit, ngayon ko lang natapos yung finishing (which was the harder part).
This is actually just phase 2. I have a final phase 3 for this build (pero vacation mode muna hehe).
I will probably create a separate thread here regarding this DIY build to share to others on how this was made.
Post by: RXV on May 25, 2015 at 01:15 PM
details please? me kilala ako, binenta yung mark audio nya...
hindi raw maganda ang off axis response.... >:D >:D >:D
Sir, what model(s) of Markaudio drivers are you referring to? I haven't heard other models of MA kasi, so I can't give an opinion on that. But with the Alpair10P, off-axis response is actually very good based on my own experience and from what I read from majority of DIYaudio members when I was researching on it back then. And the beaming effect of this one is actually very low, even comparable to other high-end speakers that I've heard. Midrange shout in this driver for me is almost non-existent, although like most fullrange speakers, the mids are a bit more pronounced (which is actually what I like). All-in-all, this is a very excellent driver surpassing multiple times its pricepoint/pricerange (no exaggeration here). I'm very happy with this one, definitely a keeper.
Post by: fredreadrick on May 25, 2015 at 01:25 PM
...create a separate thread here regarding this DIY build to share to others on how this was made.looking forward to this, interested on the back plate. thanks for sharing.
Post by: deist on May 25, 2015 at 01:32 PM
Post by: RXV on May 25, 2015 at 01:34 PM
Usually high frequencies ang affected kapag off-axis due to beaming.
Di naman problema for critical listening dahil most of the time ang owner ng speakers ay nakaupo naman sa sweet spot.
For me, high frequencies of this driver is not really affected when off-axis compared to other speakers. Probably due to it's wide dispersion design and deletion of phase plug.
For a pure paper cone design, high frequencies are not perfect, but all the details are there, even surpassing some speakers that have a dedicated tweeter in them. The midrange for me is to die for, which is why I acquired this driver in the first place. And bass is adequate for SQ use and critical listening.
I plan to incorporate a super tweeter in the future, but it is actually not needed naman, it's just for the sake of perfection. Haha
Post by: RXV on May 25, 2015 at 01:39 PM
Ang ganda! panalo! Congrats, they look like off the shelf speakers. Para saan yung knob sa upper part ng plate sa likod? what's the "W" logo about?
The attenuator knob on the aluminum back plate is for my phase 3 of incorporating a supertweeter in the future.
Maraming nagsasabi sa akin na hindi naman kailangan ng supertweeter pa, but when you get to hear speakers with 6-digit price tags, you'd understand why hahaha. Not really needed, but only for the quest of perfection.
The W logo is just for my own aesthetics purposes/branding. Para lang mas mukhang professional tignan.
Post by: Tsnad on May 25, 2015 at 01:41 PM
Post by: RXV on May 25, 2015 at 01:47 PM
looking forward to this, interested on the back plate. thanks for sharing.
Yes I will post it here soon for the sake of sharing my experience to the PDVD community.
FYI, the challenge in this build, was everything was hand-built or custom-made (except for the drivers and materials of course).
Post by: cyberdraven on May 25, 2015 at 02:15 PM
The attenuator knob on the aluminum back plate is for my phase 3 of incorporating a supertweeter in the future.
Maraming nagsasabi sa akin na hindi naman kailangan ng supertweeter pa, but when you get to hear speakers with 6-digit price tags, you'd understand why hahaha. Not really needed, but only for the quest of perfection.
The W logo is just for my own aesthetics purposes/branding. Para lang mas mukhang professional tignan.
Ung "W" means "Wonder King"! hehehe! Yan kasi, audi ng audi kaya napapa-upgrade. hehehe! ganda kasi nung de capo.
Post by: RXV on May 25, 2015 at 02:54 PM
Ung "W" means "Wonder King"! hehehe! Yan kasi, audi ng audi kaya napapa-upgrade. hehehe! ganda kasi nung de capo.
Haha loko ka Paeng :)
Oo nga, mahirap nang makarinig ng high-end, pati tenga mo nagiging high-end na rin e haha
Post by: tony on May 25, 2015 at 07:07 PM
Sir, what model(s) of Markaudio drivers are you referring to? I haven't heard other models of MA kasi, so I can't give an opinion on that. But with the Alpair10P, off-axis response is actually very good based on my own experience and from what I read from majority of DIYaudio members when I was researching on it back then. And the beaming effect of this one is actually very low, even comparable to other high-end speakers that I've heard. Midrange shout in this driver for me is almost non-existent, although like most fullrange speakers, the mids are a bit more pronounced (which is actually what I like). All-in-all, this is a very excellent driver surpassing multiple times its pricepoint/pricerange (no exaggeration here). I'm very happy with this one, definitely a keeper.
don't know exactly the model me nagbulong lang.....palagay ko yung pinaguusapan dito....
i think it had a lot to do with preference, pag meron ka nang na gustuhan na speaker
malamang ididisregard mo na yung another to justify your choice.... >:D >:D
normal human reaction....and it goes for all other things that we do or like.... >:D >:D >:D
Post by: deist on May 25, 2015 at 07:46 PM
RXV-mukhang keeper talaga, sa ganda ba naman ng enclosure mo 8) Very happy with my 10Ps s well, mag-3yrs na nga hindi pa ako nag-upgrade. Kung may naririnig akong mali sa tunog e di sana matagal ko ng binenta haha ;D ;D
But with the Alpair10P, off-axis response is actually very good based on my own experience and from what I read from majority of DIYaudio members when I was researching on it back then. And the beaming effect of this one is actually very low, even comparable to other high-end speakers that I've heard. Midrange shout in this driver for me is almost non-existent, although like most fullrange speakers, the mids are a bit more pronounced (which is actually what I like). All-in-all, this is a very excellent driver surpassing multiple times its pricepoint/pricerange (no exaggeration here). I'm very happy with this one, definitely a keeper.
Nice touch! a personal stamp to reward yourself for the time spent in preparation & hard work for this build ;)
The W logo is just for my own aesthetics purposes/branding. Para lang mas mukhang professional tignan.
Post by: Superman on May 25, 2015 at 08:09 PM
Where did you have your speaker terminal plates (W Acoustics) made? Thanks
Post by: RXV on May 25, 2015 at 08:45 PM
don't know exactly the model me nagbulong lang.....palagay ko yung pinaguusapan dito....
i think it had a lot to do with preference, pag meron ka nang na gustuhan na speaker
malamang ididisregard mo na yung another to justify your choice.... >:D >:D
normal human reaction....and it goes for all other things that we do or like.... >:D >:D >:D
Hi sir,
Yes of course I have my own music preference, but it doesn't mean that I'll probably disregard others since I have always been an objective person when it comes to the technical aspects. I know the technical limitations of my speakers, and know of others as well. But in the end, it all boils down whether you're happy or not, right? :)
And of course, the more speakers, the better, right? Hahaha
Post by: RXV on May 25, 2015 at 08:49 PM
Thanks sir, yes MA drivers are definitely in my "keeper" list.
@Superman
The rear aluminum plate is DIY hand crafted, while the W logo is a customized chrome sticker from your suking sticker store :)
Post by: Superman on May 25, 2015 at 08:54 PM
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on May 25, 2015 at 08:58 PM
Hi guys,
Just wanna share my DIY build of the Markaudio Alpair10P.
Sorry for the crappy pics, I don't have a professional camera :)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA1_zpsjjpxlfkk.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA2_zpssd2o9g6i.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA3_zpsnyv5w6gi.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA4_zpsxbmvr9xh.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/IMG_20150515_203407_zpsad48dtbz.jpg)
Post by: RXV on May 25, 2015 at 08:59 PM
Wow. Thanks. Chrome sticker? That's cool
I will post a new thread soon on how I did the DIY stuff, to share to everyone. I have to consolidate the pictures first.
Post by: tony on May 26, 2015 at 05:58 AM
Hi sir,
Yes of course I have my own music preference, but it doesn't mean that I'll probably disregard others since I have always been an objective person when it comes to the technical aspects. I know the technical limitations of my speakers, and know of others as well. But in the end, it all boils down whether you're happy or not, right? :)
And of course, the more speakers, the better, right? Hahaha
yes, yours is the right attitude......
Post by: tony on May 26, 2015 at 06:03 AM
Hi RXV!
Where did you have your speaker terminal plates (W Acoustics) made? Thanks
there are shops in Bonondo that do hairline finish on aluminum,
then you can have it anodized champagne gold, or whatever color you like...
those in the business of making trophies can do these type of jobs...
decals can be made by shops along cm recto.....
Post by: Gino on May 26, 2015 at 09:22 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on May 26, 2015 at 09:36 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on May 26, 2015 at 09:47 AM
Any particular box design you followed for the Alpair 10p?
Post by: Gino on May 26, 2015 at 11:03 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on May 26, 2015 at 11:18 AM
Joey, have you ordered your regen yet? Sorry for ot...
Post by: RXV on May 26, 2015 at 02:37 PM
@tony
Yes, marami nga dun sa Binondo.
But for the brushed aluminum, I just also DIY'ed it. Of course for the anodizing, wala na ako sa ganung powers :)
@Gino
APPJ ko lang masaya na ako. I really like the fact that I only need to replace one 12AX7 for tube rolling purposes :)
@JoeyGS
The enclosure is a modified Pensil version with full bracing and upgraded dampening. I chose to stick to an enclosure plan that's already proven to be perfect with the drivers :)
@Gino
Hindi lang "hand job", "back job" din :p
Post by: Gino on May 26, 2015 at 03:20 PM
Post by: RXV on May 26, 2015 at 03:23 PM
Post by: cyberdraven on May 27, 2015 at 08:28 AM
Hi sir,
Yes of course I have my own music preference, but it doesn't mean that I'll probably disregard others since I have always been an objective person when it comes to the technical aspects. I know the technical limitations of my speakers, and know of others as well. But in the end, it all boils down whether you're happy or not, right? :)
And of course, the more speakers, the better, right? Hahaha
Sir tony, i think rxv uses the alpair paper cone driver, known to have than natural midrange presetation with limits on bass. But the implementation of king on the box is superb having presence in the lows. Hindi tunog kahoy resonance ung lows. Maganda rendition.
What i admired here is the detail ng gawa. Tyaga mo pre sa mga kurbada. Also the grill, lintek ang pagkakagawa. Hirap kaya i flush mount yan at magnetic pa. Hahaha
Post by: tony on May 27, 2015 at 09:01 AM
Thanks everyone, I'm glad PDVDer's appreciate speaker art :)
@tony
Yes, marami nga dun sa Binondo.
But for the brushed aluminum, I just also DIY'ed it. Of course for the anodizing, wala na ako sa ganung powers :)
there is an attachment to angle grinders that you can buy,
it looks like a cylinder, i will ask Peng when i see him again...or take pictures...
Post by: camoteque on May 27, 2015 at 01:09 PM
True, i've heard 3 different MA driver models - Alpair 7.3, Alpair 10P & CHR-70.3A and wala ni isa ang may off-axis response issue or beaming. Off-axis response issue is related to beaming which is prominent in big FR driver cones; 10inches & up esp if you have a small room (22sqm or less) or listening position is less than 3mtrs from the speakers. Which can be addressed if you are using horns or wave guide, di ba sir Larry? ;)
Correct. Beaming issue kadalasan sa bigger units as you go up in frequency. Pero tumapat ka lang sa center meron naman. :)
Kaya pag nasa sweet spot ka wala namang problema.
Pero meron akong cube na powered speaker na may more or less 1-5/8" driver. Ginagamit ko sa desktop. Ang liit nya pero mas malakas ang highs nya kapag pointing directly to me.
Post by: deist on May 27, 2015 at 03:45 PM
Hindi talaga "boxy" tumunog ang MA drivers basta within the specs ka sa materials & sundin mo yung box plans' internal dimensions ayos na ;)
But the implementation of king on the box is superb having presence in the lows. Hindi tunog kahoy resonance ung lows. Maganda rendition.
Post by: deist on May 27, 2015 at 03:54 PM
To site an example; a month ago I visited my kumpare who built a pair of 12" FR speakers, his room is 20sqm, typical room size of an average local household. When I lean towards either side of the chair (where the sweet spot is) & tip my head, pumapaling ang stereo imaging. I don't know if it's the room acoustics or the gear pero that's what I've observed. When I pointed it out to him, hindi nya daw napapansin na ganun.
Correct. Beaming issue kadalasan sa bigger units as you go up in frequency. Pero tumapat ka lang sa center meron naman. :)
Kaya pag nasa sweet spot ka wala namang problema.
Pero meron akong cube na powered speaker na may more or less 1-5/8" driver. Ginagamit ko sa desktop. Ang liit nya pero mas malakas ang highs nya kapag pointing directly to me.
Post by: RXV on May 27, 2015 at 05:07 PM
This is a good way to describe Alpair 10Ps presentation of sound. Like what I've been saying from the start of the thread; the Alpair 10Ps + pensil enclosure will not give you chest pounding bass instead it will render very good low level details, hiwa-hiwalay ang instruments producing low frequencies, not just "boom, boom, boom"
Hindi talaga "boxy" tumunog ang MA drivers basta within the specs ka sa materials & sundin mo yung box plans' internal dimensions ayos na ;)
+1 on this. Bass is very musical and bass notes are very distinct, as witnessed in Rebecca Pidgeon's Spanish Harlem (walang sawang Spanish Harlem haha). This is a driver designed for SQ and critical listening anyway
Post by: Gino on May 27, 2015 at 05:52 PM
Post by: tony on May 27, 2015 at 07:22 PM
Post by: deist on May 27, 2015 at 07:54 PM
That track will flatter any system he he. Move away from your typical female audiophile cds to educate your ears. Look also into instruments. Realism is hard to achieve for all instruments.
Post by: deist on May 27, 2015 at 07:59 PM
or "The Link" by Gojira, sarap ng oscillation ng double bass drums, makikita mo excursion ng cone ng 10P pero kayang kaya ;)
+1 on this. Bass is very musical and bass notes are very distinct, as witnessed in Rebecca Pidgeon's Spanish Harlem (walang sawang Spanish Harlem haha). This is a driver designed for SQ and critical listening anyway
Post by: RXV on May 27, 2015 at 08:58 PM
That track will flatter any system he he. Move away from your typical female audiophile cds to educate your ears. Look also into instruments. Realism is hard to achieve for all instruments.
Gino, that's what I thought :)
I just realized the importance of bass musicality when I listened to another system, and also in my car. Layo pala kapag iba iba ang bass notes as well as the bass depth, sa iba kasi halos malakas nga pero one-note-wonder lang ang tunog
Post by: RXV on May 27, 2015 at 09:05 PM
i am glad to see people actually liking the Alpairs....
Sir Tony, I think the Alpairs (7) won in a blind shootout in the U.S. against 23 different drivers I think.
But small speaker category lang yata yung shootout (3-4" category yata).
Here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri1FMK7zTdg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri1FMK7zTdg)
Post by: cyberdraven on May 27, 2015 at 10:11 PM
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Bro, for some bass testing try to listen to "Brombo" by Brian Brombo & Akira Jimbo, tuloy tuloy ang panning ng drums & bass guitar
or "The Link" by Gojira, sarap ng oscillation ng double bass drums, makikita mo excursion ng cone ng 10P pero kayang kaya ;)
When rxv brought his speakers im my home, we played bromo, daft punk and focal test disc. Im also curious to see how it performs on extreme frequencies. My findings- it is abundant! Hehehe
Post by: tony on May 28, 2015 at 06:29 AM
Sir Tony, I think the Alpairs (7) won in a blind shootout in the U.S. against 23 different drivers I think.
But small speaker category lang yata yung shootout (3-4" category yata).
Here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri1FMK7zTdg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri1FMK7zTdg)
thanks,FWIW, i discussed the mark audio with moderators at diyaudio,
and almost all of then prefer the alpairs over the audio nirvanas.....
they just smiled at me when i told them that over here, the audio nirvanas were hot...
many of them have used the audio nirvanas and said it was a decent speaker,
though they liked mark audio speakers better....
Post by: Gino on May 28, 2015 at 07:37 AM
Post by: deist on May 28, 2015 at 12:55 PM
Btw, were you referring to the Alpairs when you raised this question about soundstage?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,199801.0.html
:)
When rxv brought his speakers im my home, we played bromo, daft punk and focal test disc. Im also curious to see how it performs on extreme frequencies. My findings- it is abundant! Hehehe
Post by: JoeyGS on May 28, 2015 at 01:01 PM
Ayos! An issue I found with the Alpairs (if you will call it an "issue" at all ;D); it is not forgiving to badly recorded materials.
Btw, were you referring to the Alpairs when you raised this question about soundstage?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,199801.0.html
:)
Post by: cyberdraven on May 28, 2015 at 01:14 PM
Ayos! An issue I found with the Alpairs (if you will call it an "issue" at all ;D); it is not forgiving to badly recorded materials.
Btw, were you referring to the Alpairs when you raised this question about soundstage?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,199801.0.html
:)
Nope. If the alpair sounded bad on crappy recordings, that's actually a good trait. it shows the speaker is revealing!
Post by: deist on May 29, 2015 at 02:56 PM
Nope. If the alpair sounded bad on crappy recordings, that's actually a good trait. it shows the speaker is revealing!
Post by: deist on May 29, 2015 at 02:57 PM
Tapat lang naman ang mga Alpairs..... garbage in, garbage out
Post by: RXV on May 29, 2015 at 02:59 PM
thanks,FWIW, i discussed the mark audio with moderators at diyaudio,
and almost all of then prefer the alpairs over the audio nirvanas.....
they just smiled at me when i told them that over here, the audio nirvanas were hot...
many of them have used the audio nirvanas and said it was a decent speaker,
though they liked mark audio speakers better....
For me sir Tony, it still really depends on your listening preference. Being unbiased, I've heard Audio Nirvanas and I also like them e, but again I also like my MA's, I think it depends on the genre and style of listening. If I had a choice I would have them both haha
Post by: cyberdraven on May 29, 2015 at 03:02 PM
Sounds like you really liked the Alpair's sound. Are we going to see here your build soon? ;)
naku pare. wala akong tyaga dyan. masaya nakong nakakakinig ng magagandang system. balang araw, pag 20 nako at kumpleto na buhok, magkaka audio system din ako. hahaha!
Post by: RXV on May 29, 2015 at 03:02 PM
RXV, kamusta ang headroom with the APPJ? Maybe it's time for my 2nd project ;)
If you want headroom, of course I still suggest getting bigger tube amps if you're into dynamics.
But for me kasi, the APPJ is sufficient na in my 4x3 sq.m. room e, and that fact that it just consumes 38 watts and sounds so good (and a tube roller's delight having only 1 signal tube), nakatago na lang din 12 watter tube amp ko :p
Post by: RXV on May 29, 2015 at 03:06 PM
Ayos! An issue I found with the Alpairs (if you will call it an "issue" at all ;D); it is not forgiving to badly recorded materials.
Btw, were you referring to the Alpairs when you raised this question about soundstage?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,199801.0.html
:)
For me, this is true, based on my experience.
But the thing I like about the Alpair 10P is that since it has a smoother signature, it is a "little more" forgiving to badly recorded music.
Yung Alpair 7.3, naku, yun talaga nagrereveal ng bad system recordings. Sobrang analytic e.
Post by: deist on May 29, 2015 at 03:16 PM
thanks,FWIW, i discussed the mark audio with moderators at diyaudio,
and almost all of then prefer the alpairs over the audio nirvanas.....
they just smiled at me when i told them that over here, the audio nirvanas were hot...
many of them have used the audio nirvanas and said it was a decent speaker,
though they liked mark audio speakers better....
Sa diyaudio hindi talaga well regarded ang ANs, from what I've read most of them say that the box plans provided by the manufacturer isn't optimized for the drivers. And the others who simulated & designed boxes on their own ended up with underwhelming speakers, the reason: discrepancies in the T/S parameters. To design an enclosure you need the correct T/S parameters of the drivers, and they say that some of the numbers provided by the manufacturer are wrong.
I'm not dissing ANs, in fact I would like to try one since walang malaking drivers ang MAs. But i'm also skeptical because if a simple and honest T/S parameters can't be provided by the manufacturer, then you have to question the integrity of the designer.
Post by: RXV on May 29, 2015 at 03:24 PM
Since it has a metal cone composite material, it doesn't literally need tweeters anymore, the highs are all there, yes for me up to 20khz range (when I connected it to my APPJ mini tube amp before). So some would think that it is a slightly bright sounding speaker. For me, it is not, but rather because it is a very detailed driver.
When I installed it in the dashboard of my car, it sounded like a British speaker: rich, warm, and very inviting, but with naturally recessed highs, I wondered why. I realized now that it was just revealing the sonic signature of my Alpine amp, which is known to produce warm sounding signature. Yun lang nga medyo nagroll-off ang highs, which is lacking for my personal taste. For a metal-cone driver, it is sure warm sounding when connected to a certain "warm" amp.
Now either to experiment with a different car amp, or use the Alpair7 for home use and make another DIY box hahaha. Huwag na muna :p
Post by: RXV on May 29, 2015 at 03:32 PM
Sa diyaudio hindi talaga well regarded ang ANs, from what I've read most of them say that the box plans provided by the manufacturer isn't optimized for the drivers. And the others who simulated & designed boxes on their own ended up with underwhelming speakers, the reason: discrepancies in the T/S parameters. To design an enclosure you need the correct T/S parameters of the drivers, and they say that some of the numbers provided by the manufacturer are wrong.
I'm not dissing ANs, in fact I would like to try one since walang malaking drivers ang MAs. But i'm also skeptical because if a simple and honest T/S parameters can't be provided by the manufacturer, then you have to question the integrity of the designer.
+1 on the driver size. This is one reason why I like to try AN's, they normally have bigger displacement models which means more bass output for certain genres.
Although, I have to admit, when I heard a REL subwoofer perform before, grabe iba talaga ang quality and depth of lows, and it just "vanishes". A dedicated music sub still can't be beat.
Makes me wonder now if I can make a DIY version of a high quality musical sub haha.
Post by: cyberdraven on May 29, 2015 at 03:48 PM
The weird thing that I experienced with my Alpair 7.3 is that I realized that it is a very neutral speaker.
Since it has a metal cone composite material, it doesn't literally need tweeters anymore, the highs are all there, yes for me up to 20khz range (when I connected it to my APPJ mini tube amp before). So some would think that it is a slightly bright sounding speaker. For me, it is not, but rather because it is a very detailed driver.
When I installed it in the dashboard of my car, it sounded like a British speaker: rich, warm, and very inviting, but with naturally recessed highs, I wondered why. I realized now that it was just revealing the sonic signature of my Alpine amp, which is known to produce warm sounding signature. Yun lang nga medyo nagroll-off ang highs, which is lacking for my personal taste. For a metal-cone driver, it is sure warm sounding when connected to a certain "warm" amp.
Now either to experiment with a different car amp, or use the Alpair7 for home use and make another DIY box hahaha. Huwag na muna :p
naku pare, ibang animales ang oto. hahaha. cabin gain and reflections comes into play na. its easy to make it sound full of bass and its very difficult to have a coherent midrange and well-imaging highs.
Post by: Gino on May 29, 2015 at 04:01 PM
Post by: cyberdraven on May 29, 2015 at 04:04 PM
Car audio was a big mess in my audio past. Spent the most money on a final system that is nowhere near as good as my dedicated room system. That's not bragging. My dedicated room is terribly flawed acoustically. My car is now empty. As speakers lang he he. Amp, HU, and sub cabinets.
I hear you brother. Amen! hahaha!
Post by: JoeyGS on May 29, 2015 at 05:32 PM
This has been done by our fellow member which he published in the following forum:
http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=25235
+1 on the driver size. This is one reason why I like to try AN's, they normally have bigger displacement models which means more bass output for certain genres.
Although, I have to admit, when I heard a REL subwoofer perform before, grabe iba talaga ang quality and depth of lows, and it just "vanishes". A dedicated music sub still can't be beat.
Makes me wonder now if I can make a DIY version of a high quality musical sub haha.
Post by: Superman on May 29, 2015 at 05:40 PM
Post by: RXV on May 29, 2015 at 06:00 PM
To diy a musical sub, you may want to consider getting a Rythmik sub Kit and build your own box.
This has been done by our fellow member which he published in the following forum:
http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=25235
Sorry for the OT, but what other subwoofer drivers strictly for audio use would you recommend for a musical sub? An affordable one kahit na car audio sub. 10" or 12" siguro, basta mabilis humabol sa fast punch ng MA's
Para bumagay sa roll-off lows ng MA's (para hindi na OT haha)
Post by: deist on May 29, 2015 at 06:11 PM
Post by: RXV on May 29, 2015 at 07:01 PM
RXV - go with the subs bro. Dual is much preferred. No need to use bigger FR drivers to handle the mids & highs, in fact in my research the recommended FR size for F.A.S.T. is 3" to 4" para wide ang dispersion. Small drivers will always handle the highs better, that's physics. Relieving the Alpairs off of its low level duties will give you better transient response for mids & highs.
Yun na nga naisip ko e. That's why Mark Felon created the Alpair 7P (paper) along with a special separate midbass driver (paper) for a F.A.S.T. system. I haven't seen any reviews of it though.
Anyway, ganun din naman sa car audio ko, Alpair 7.3 is high-passed starting at 160hz, and the rest goes to the dedicated midbass and subwoofer na (lows).
Post by: tony on May 29, 2015 at 07:16 PM
Sa diyaudio hindi talaga well regarded ang ANs, from what I've read most of them say that the box plans provided by the manufacturer isn't optimized for the drivers. And the others who simulated & designed boxes on their own ended up with underwhelming speakers, the reason: discrepancies in the T/S parameters. To design an enclosure you need the correct T/S parameters of the drivers, and they say that some of the numbers provided by the manufacturer are wrong.
I'm not dissing ANs, in fact I would like to try one since walang malaking drivers ang MAs. But i'm also skeptical because if a simple and honest T/S parameters can't be provided by the manufacturer, then you have to question the integrity of the designer.
sinabi mo pa.....david dicks was banned there...pero i had no hand in that, hindi pa ako moderator ng mga panahong yon.....;)
Post by: RXV on May 29, 2015 at 09:55 PM
Markaudio Alpair 10P and Alpair 7.3 enclosures:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/Nelson_de_Leon/000_0008_zps77d1ee7e.jpg)
VERDICT: Try it! You might regret not to, it's just a couple of hundred bucks anyway. The permanent sonic improvements for me are well worth it.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,200549.msg2273286.html#msg2273288 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,200549.msg2273286.html#msg2273288)
Post by: cyberdraven on May 29, 2015 at 09:59 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on May 30, 2015 at 10:23 AM
swerte na ngayon may mga plans na at most importantly may internet/Google na... back in the late 80's lapis at papel gamit ko for computing Thiele/Small parameters. nun nagkaroon ako ng first pc ko Basic/Qbasic program para mas madali ang computation. ngayon nagkalat na ang simulators na pwede gamitin...
back then, we really relied on the specs given by the driver manufacturer, it's the only thing we have to go on unless gusto maging suntok sa buwan ang box design.
Post by: deist on May 30, 2015 at 12:46 PM
If it's the frequency response graph maintindihan ko pa kung may discrepancies since ang daming variables dyan. The anechoic chamber alone iba't ibang level ang quality & the measurement tools like the calibrated microphone, price ranges from tens of $ to hundred thousand :)
Post by: JojoD818 on May 30, 2015 at 11:29 PM
^ Hindi ko nga rin maintindihan brader Jo, at this day & age sa dami ng tools available, T/S parameters di pa maibigay ng tama? ;D You're a manufacturer for heaven's sake, ano man lang gastusan mo yung tool to measure it. Ang tingin ko it's for marketing, para maging "attractive" ang specs they did some padding.
If it's the frequency response graph maintindihan ko pa kung may discrepancies since ang daming variables dyan. The anechoic chamber alone iba't ibang level ang quality & the measurement tools like the calibrated microphone, price ranges from tens of $ to hundred thousand :)
Brader, I believe today's manufacturers need not invest in test equipments anymore because there are institutions who offer these tests. And because it's a separate entity who does the actual testing, the results are more viable to the consumer.
Siyempre pag in-house mas forgiving yan, but with today's DIYers naman, mabubuking ka din pag nag padding ka.
Post by: JoeyGS on May 30, 2015 at 11:31 PM
Sorry for the OT, but what other subwoofer drivers strictly for audio use would you recommend for a musical sub? An affordable one kahit na car audio sub. 10" or 12" siguro, basta mabilis humabol sa fast punch ng MA's
Para bumagay sa roll-off lows ng MA's (para hindi na OT haha)
Post by: deist on Sep 01, 2015 at 10:54 AM
(http://www.markaudio-sota.com/home.jpg)
System tuning by Dr. Scott Lindgren, same designer of Pensil enclosures for MarkAudio drivers ;)
Here's the link to the website:
http://www.markaudio-sota.com/
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:08 AM
any idea on the price?
...and nasa hong kong lang......
Post by: deist on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:22 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:30 AM
The stands seems to be an integral part of the speaker baffle ...... tama ba?
Ang daming experts na kasama sa pag design ng speaker na ito ah......
^ no idea sa pricing brader, need to email their sales for pricing daw. I like the enclosure, seems like Alpair 10.3M yung mids, yung highs parang bagong driver.
Post by: deist on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:35 AM
Diba extended na yung 10.3M? Why the need for a HF driver pa.......
The stands seems to be an integral part of the speaker baffle ...... tama ba?
Ang daming experts na kasama sa pag design ng speaker na ito ah......
Post by: deist on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:37 AM
Regarding stands, i don't know if it's packaged but might be an optional purchase. Added for those looking for aesthetic synergy or higher WAF.
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 01, 2015 at 01:19 PM
It might be a different driver altogether as they call them Sota 11 & Sota 5 but I think the mid-woofer is a rebranded 10.3M. They added a dedicated driver for the highs para maiwasan yung peaks & valleys sa HF region, dun kasi nagsisimula ang cone break-up.
Post by: deist on Sep 02, 2015 at 10:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwSE_MWn2ts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwSE_MWn2ts)
Post by: deist on Sep 02, 2015 at 11:01 AM
He also said upon learning those are full range drivers: "That's why it's so coherent" ;)
Post by: RXV on Sep 02, 2015 at 12:06 PM
Yung woofer mukha ngang 10.3, pero yung tweeters ba ilang inches diameter?
Hindi ba rebranded Alpair 7 ang tweets?
Post by: deist on Sep 02, 2015 at 05:56 PM
Sir deist,
Yung woofer mukha ngang 10.3, pero yung tweeters ba ilang inches diameter?
Hindi ba rebranded Alpair 7 ang tweets?
Post by: RXV on Sep 03, 2015 at 06:24 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 04, 2015 at 10:51 AM
Curious to hear a commercial build from mark audio and compare with our DIY builds
Hmmmm.... sana may magpadala dito locally para ma-audition hehehe
Post by: deist on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:54 PM
Sa video ang linaw tumunog. Yung FS with copper color drivers near the side walls daw ang tumutunog sa video :)
Yup same here.
Curious to here a commercial build from mark audio and compare with our DIY builds
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 04, 2015 at 04:43 PM
Naku delikado sayo yan brader, sigurado pag na-audition mo paglabas mo ng shop bitbit mo na! hahaha
Sa video ang linaw tumunog. Yung FS with copper color drivers near the side walls daw ang tumutunog sa video :)
Post by: deist on Sep 19, 2015 at 09:02 AM
Meet the "spider-less" Alpair 5 Gen 2
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/Alpair%205%20g2-1.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/Alpair%205%20g2-1.jpg.html)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/Alpair%205%20g2-2.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/Alpair%205%20g2-2.jpg.html)
Post by: deist on Sep 19, 2015 at 09:04 AM
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/CHS70gen1%20%20Eng-1.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/CHS70gen1%20%20Eng-1.jpg.html)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/CHS70gen1%20%20Eng-2.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/CHS70gen1%20%20Eng-2.jpg.html)
Post by: deist on Sep 19, 2015 at 09:07 AM
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/Tozzi1%20.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/Tozzi1%20.jpg.html)
Post by: kranoz on Sep 29, 2015 at 12:49 PM
And for those looking for a desktop/computer-speakers, there's a finished product from MA-SOTA, meet the Tozzi One:
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/Tozzi1%20.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/Tozzi1%20.jpg.html)
Nice, san nakakabili nito sir deist?
Post by: TonyC on Oct 01, 2015 at 04:54 PM
New drivers from Markaudio:
Meet the "spider-less" Alpair 5 Gen 2
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/Alpair%205%20g2-1.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/Alpair%205%20g2-1.jpg.html)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/Alpair%205%20g2-2.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/Alpair%205%20g2-2.jpg.html)
Wow....might spider-less 10.4 be forthcoming? >:D
Post by: deist on Oct 01, 2015 at 05:46 PM
[email protected]
Nice, san nakakabili nito sir deist?
Post by: deist on Oct 01, 2015 at 05:51 PM
I think this Alpair 5 Gen 2 is what they used in Viotti One to handle the high frequencies:
(http://www.markaudio-sota.com/home.jpg)
Wow....might spider-less 10.4 be forthcoming? >:D
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 02, 2015 at 09:45 AM
Haaaayz .... If we can only build as fast as the new models arrive.....
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 02, 2015 at 09:53 AM
Post by: deist on Oct 02, 2015 at 09:55 AM
my goal next year is to build 2 sets of speakers, a pair of desktops/BS for computer & FS, my 10P in Pensils will be delegated for HT. This year, I have to finish my fanless PC project (Streacom case on its way, yahoo!) & tube amp.
Haaaayz .... I we can only build as fast as the new models arrive.....
Post by: deist on Oct 02, 2015 at 09:59 AM
Na-intriga ako sa spider-less design brader. What's good about MA is hindi kamahalan ang drivers, @ $200 for a pair of 10 series you can upgrade kahit yearly ;D
Is there a new website or forum for Mark Audio?
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 02, 2015 at 10:15 AM
Sinabi mo pa brader! :D
my goal next year is to build 2 sets of speakers, a pair of desktops/BS for computer & FS, my 10P in Pensils will be delegated for HT. This year, I have to finish my fanless PC project (Streacom case on its way, yahoo!) & tube amp.
Post by: deist on Oct 02, 2015 at 10:22 AM
If you need insights and kulam for your fanless PC we should meet para optimal ang configuration.
Post by: RXV on Oct 02, 2015 at 06:27 PM
I'm also hoping for the spider-less 10.4 sir ;) O0
I think this Alpair 5 Gen 2 is what they used in Viotti One to handle the high frequencies:
(http://www.markaudio-sota.com/home.jpg)
What is the practical advantage of spider-less drivers ba? Hula ko is for speed,accuracy and detail, at the expense of decreased low frequency extension/xmax. Tama ba?
Post by: deist on Oct 03, 2015 at 09:41 AM
What is the practical advantage of spider-less drivers ba? Hula ko is for speed,accuracy and detail, at the expense of decreased low frequency extension/xmax. Tama ba?
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 26, 2015 at 11:38 AM
Post by: fredreadrick on Oct 26, 2015 at 08:12 PM
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1115/Markaudio_Sota_Loudspeakers_Preview.htm (http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1115/Markaudio_Sota_Loudspeakers_Preview.htm)
(http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1115/Markaudio_Sota_Viotta_1_colors.jpg)
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 26, 2015 at 09:53 PM
Post by: bigfoot on Nov 28, 2015 at 01:41 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 28, 2015 at 01:07 PM
Post by: bigfoot on Nov 30, 2015 at 12:53 AM
Post by: fredreadrick on Nov 30, 2015 at 07:25 AM
How much does it udually cost to ship it in, i.e. Alpair 10.3?Sir here's the quote from Neo:
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Dear Frederick,I want a pair too, pm me if your interested.
Thanks for the email.
Cost for a pair is SGD 250 plus shipping of SGD 75. That would be SGD 325 and should takes about a week or two depending on courier availabilty in your area.
Regards,
Neo
Post by: nbc1213 on Nov 30, 2015 at 10:20 PM
nbc
Post by: fredreadrick on Dec 01, 2015 at 06:44 AM
Mag group buy ba kayo?(http://a.fastcompany.net/multisite_files/fastcompany/imagecache/inline-large/inline/2013/11/3021307-inline-fb-thumbsup-printpackaging.jpg)
nbc
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 02, 2015 at 06:29 PM
Post by: bigfoot on Dec 02, 2015 at 11:10 PM
Post by: nbc on Dec 03, 2015 at 05:51 AM
nbc
Post by: jerrylodi on Dec 03, 2015 at 05:27 PM
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/IMG_20151127_152105_zpsupxdegqg.jpg)
before
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/IMG_20151127_172813_zpshhenmfcv.jpg)
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/Mobile%20Uploads/20151127_193131_zpskfqjtnah.jpg)
after
nakatalisod sa FS thread ng alpair 7 from sir jay a week ago(very cheap, bait pa ng owner), honestly speaking, not impressed with the sound, tunog minicompo/di din gaanu nasunod ang specs ng cabinet :-\ , pero almost new yung drivers :) , buti na lng nandyan si sir remington, he told me na ako na bahala sayang ang box >:D = sorry guys my pencil box type now converted to double box reflex (breaking the rules)
cost of tweaking (P150.00)
result after tweaking = anak ng !!!!!! panalo + 2 bottles of red wine & 2 bottles of sanmig light ( di nako umiinom pero nabalik ako sa inom ) very tight ang bass, airy, ganda ng highs not fatiguing & higit sa lahat very natural nka JACKPOT naman :) malaki pa igganda ng tunog nito hehehe, slamat sir cal for pushing me sa MA's, slmat sir coooltoyzph sa wheels lupet and thanks sir jhun for tweaking my BOX, excellent result / sarap pa ng ramen while waiting :o hehehehe sa sobrang happy inabot lng kami ng 1am ng umaga ;) >:D
Post by: remington on Dec 03, 2015 at 05:55 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 03, 2015 at 06:01 PM
200 hours break-in...... please relax on the volume unitl you have reached 200 hours just to prevent from damaging the drivers.
The alpair 7 is a well regarded driver that outperforms a lot of commercial hifi speakers.
In the future, explore the frugal horn XL as the Alpair 7 excels in that box. The box design can be bought from the designer at a minimal fee.
Post by: Superman on Dec 03, 2015 at 06:22 PM
Post by: bigfoot on Dec 03, 2015 at 10:09 PM
Congrats jerryidol. Welcome to the club.
200 hours break-in...... please relax on the volume unitl you have reached 200 hours just to prevent from damaging the drivers.
The alpair 7 is a well regarded driver that outperforms a lot of commercial hifi speakers.
In the future, explore the frugal horn XL as the Alpair 7 excels in that box. The box design can be bought from the designer at a minimal fee.
Di ba Frugel-horn MK3 ang bagay sa Alpair 7.3?
Post by: jerrylodi on Dec 04, 2015 at 08:29 AM
revelation yang alpair 7 sir hindi din ako maka paniwala ganun magiging SQ nya after the tweak. Simply amazing! Small wonder yan sir.Lalo siguro pag fully burn in na. Congrats! Nalasing tayo hehehehesmall wonder tlga sir jhun thanks :)
Congrats jerryidol. Welcome to the club.thanks sir joeygs, patience lang kailangan(my weakness ;D), nakaka tukso lng po tlga ilakas eh, will consider your suggested box, enjoy ko muna po sir for the meantime, very happy with the result ;) next upgrade internal wires of sir cal :)
200 hours break-in...... please relax on the volume unitl you have reached 200 hours just to prevent from damaging the drivers.
The alpair 7 is a well regarded driver that outperforms a lot of commercial hifi speakers.
In the future, explore the frugal horn XL as the Alpair 7 excels in that box. The box design can be bought from the designer at a minimal fee.
Congrats jerryidol! I told you JACKPOT ka! :Dthanks sir jen, ang mura pa :)
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 04, 2015 at 09:29 AM
I got confused ..... the FHXL is for the Alpair 10 series pala
Di ba Frugel-horn MK3 ang bagay sa Alpair 7.3?
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 04, 2015 at 09:33 AM
Your internal and external wires should be the same configuration.
thanks sir joeygs, patience lang kailangan(my weakness ;D), nakaka tukso lng po tlga ilakas eh, will consider your suggested box, enjoy ko muna po sir for the meantime, very happy with the result ;) next upgrade internal wires of sir cal :)
Post by: jerrylodi on Dec 04, 2015 at 02:13 PM
Yes, Cal would know the appropriate wire configuration for your 7.3 as we already made several iterations that will make it optimal.
Your internal and external wires should be the same configuration.
[/quote]copy sir joeygs, thanks po ulit
Post by: RXV on Dec 05, 2015 at 11:22 AM
sharing my mark audio alpair 7 gen 3 (low budget) ;D
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/IMG_20151127_152105_zpsupxdegqg.jpg)
before
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/IMG_20151127_172813_zpshhenmfcv.jpg)
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/Mobile%20Uploads/20151127_193131_zpskfqjtnah.jpg)
after
nakatalisod sa FS thread ng alpair 7 from sir jay a week ago(very cheap, bait pa ng owner), honestly speaking, not impressed with the sound, tunog minicompo/di din gaanu nasunod ang specs ng cabinet :-\ , pero almost new yung drivers :) , buti na lng nandyan si sir remington, he told me na ako na bahala sayang ang box >:D = sorry guys my pencil box type now converted to double box reflex (breaking the rules)
cost of tweaking (P150.00)
result after tweaking = anak ng !!!!!! panalo + 2 bottles of red wine & 2 bottles of sanmig light ( di nako umiinom pero nabalik ako sa inom ) very tight ang bass, airy, ganda ng highs not fatiguing & higit sa lahat very natural nka JACKPOT naman :) malaki pa igganda ng tunog nito hehehe, slamat sir cal for pushing me sa MA's, slmat sir coooltoyzph sa wheels lupet and thanks sir jhun for tweaking my BOX, excellent result / sarap pa ng ramen while waiting :o hehehehe sa sobrang happy inabot lng kami ng 1am ng umaga ;) >:D
Sir jerryidol,
Based on my experience, JoeyGS is right, you will achieve optimal sound after 200hrs break in for the Alpair7.3.
At 100 hours, ramdam na naman ang difference, but 200hrs mas swabe pa. It will slightly take the edginess out of the Alpair 7.3's sound (metal cone).
I haven't hear Alpair 7 in tower enclosure though. Narinig ko pa lang siya sa bookshelf as well as pods (for car).
Post by: jerrylodi on Dec 05, 2015 at 10:41 PM
saw your diy post, what a masterpiece :) napakaganda, congrats po, yes sir matagal tagal pa to( torture stage ako ngyon ;D) , at least big improvement after tweaking, ganda ng bass sir rxv pag floorstander ok n ok :) thanks sir ;)
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/Mobile%20Uploads/20151205_084535_zpsus2ksbvx.jpg)
Post by: RXV on Dec 05, 2015 at 11:22 PM
Curious tuloy ako kung ano tunog ng Alpair7 in floorstander :)
Post by: fredreadrick on Dec 18, 2015 at 08:14 PM
How much does it udually cost to ship it in, i.e. Alpair 10.3?Kahit may bagyo, dumating pa din kahapon...
Alpair 10M-Grey & 10P
(http://s5.postimg.org/lcaixlp87/Alpair_10_P_M.jpg)
sa kabila naman AN Horn 8", , kumpleto ang pasko ;D
Post by: innocent on Dec 19, 2015 at 03:22 AM
Kahit may bagyo, dumating pa din kahapon...TAmang tama na modify ko na SMSL SA 36a Pro mo...pang break in sa mga speakers mo bago.... Akala ko ang pasko para lang sa mga bata. Means, batang bata ka pa bro. Dami mo pamasko sa sarili mo.. :)
Alpair 10M-Grey & 10P
(http://s5.postimg.org/lcaixlp87/Alpair_10_P_M.jpg)
sa kabila naman AN Horn 8", , kumpleto ang pasko ;D
Post by: fredreadrick on Dec 19, 2015 at 07:46 AM
Gusto ko na nga subukan ung modified 36a-pro kaso busy lang talaga, kaya ayun pang burn-in ko AMX Aria
(http://s5.postimg.org/rriqlrapj/Alpair_10p_Aria.jpg)
Post by: bigfoot on Dec 19, 2015 at 08:15 AM
Post by: fredreadrick on Dec 19, 2015 at 09:50 AM
Kumusta sonic diff ng 10m and 10p?Sir, di ko pa nasubukan yung 10M... para sa 'yo yun eh. Sigurado ako OK din yan - my previous metal cone CHR-70, masaya na ako.
burn-in pa lang ng 10P, napapangiti na ako >:D
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 21, 2015 at 09:12 AM
Would suggest the pensil or frugal horn boxes for these drivers. Good luck!
Post by: RXV on Dec 21, 2015 at 09:45 AM
Post by: fredreadrick on Dec 21, 2015 at 09:52 AM
...frugal horn boxes for these drivers....FH-XL, January na siguro sisimulan 'to. Thanks ;D
(http://s5.postimg.org/umwabzvnb/Frugel_Horn_Cam5b.jpg)
Post by: JoeyGS on Dec 21, 2015 at 09:55 AM
Post by: AAudio on Jan 14, 2016 at 08:36 AM
Question mga sirs...
Kakayanin ba idrive ng 2a3 ang MArk Audio Full range spkrs?
thanks
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 21, 2016 at 12:21 PM
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MarkAudio Pluvia Seven 4" Full Range in Vintage Gold (slightly Copper Colored)(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/preview/pluvia-7-gold.jpg)
Pluvia Seven Extended Full Range audio driver.
The Pluvia Seven driver is a new type of small driver from MarkAudio. While it's mechanically similar to the CHR-70 series drivers, its major design features are more advanced.
The main feature of this Pluvia is its new low-mass thin profile glass-fibre injected chassis (frame). This chassis design has taken 2 years of research and development to produce a highly damped strong frame that makes installation easy. Pluvia Seven can be either surface mounted or recessed into a loudspeaker box. The chassis mounting depth is only 3.5mm making it easy fit for either type of installation. The chassis appearance is high quality, with a professional industry finish that makes the Pluvia Seven look expensive while it remains affordable.
The Pluvia Seven features a new shape cap and revised suspensions giving it a wide range with controlled mid response to help reduce “shout,” typical of many small wide band drivers. Pluvia’s cones use the latest profiles from designer Mark Fenlon, featuring 2 new colours, Vintage Gold and Soft Chrome. Vocals on this Pluvia are clear and natural. Baffle Step Compensation (BSC) is enhanced on the new suspension layout, making this driver more effective in combatting box losses in the low range. Other new features include longer gold plated connectors for easier soldering or using clamp type connectors.
The new Pluvia Seven is an excellent high-end and multi-purpose driver. It's also suitable for many computer, Home Theatre, TV, and commercial A/V applications.
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/preview/pluvia-7-grey.jpg)
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/secondary/pluvia-7-gold-3.jpg)
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 21, 2016 at 06:49 PM
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Feb 21, 2016 at 06:54 PM
Post by: RXV on Feb 22, 2016 at 12:23 PM
Newbie question, What is the advantage of glass-fiber chasis over Cast iron?
My guess is more damping and less chances of "ringing" for the frame chassis.
Wala kayang upated version ng Alpair 7 and 10?
Post by: jerrylodi on Feb 22, 2016 at 02:38 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 22, 2016 at 06:28 PM
tanung din po mga sirs, how much po kaya landed price ng MarkAudio Alpair 12P? , wala kayang group buy? TIA ;)
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 23, 2016 at 09:13 PM
Alpair 10p on Erich Hartmann's 15liters BS
(http://s5.postimg.org/g9zcvdprr/Erich_BS_Alpair10_Layout1.jpg)
primer pa lang....
(http://s5.postimg.org/y1fknkuk7/Erich_Hartmann_10p.jpg)
I am not expecting much from this enclosure.... i just want a pair of speaker while the "house" is in construction phase but i was surprised by the full bodied sound, as if i'm listening from a floor stander.
Post by: Superman on Feb 23, 2016 at 11:18 PM
Post by: Superman on Feb 23, 2016 at 11:21 PM
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 24, 2016 at 01:02 PM
Congratulations!Thank you sir... hanggang DiY lang ako :)
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Looks like a KEF LS50Ang ganda naman nung KEF...
ito talaga ang plan ko, kaso wala pang paglalagyan na maayus kaya inuna ko muna listening room.
(http://s5.postimg.org/3mvg0z2lz/Frugel_Horn_Cam5.jpg)
Post by: innocent on Feb 24, 2016 at 01:30 PM
share lang may latest build :)Congrats! Sana marinig ko na mga speakers mo bro. Puwede sa Horn 4 ito box mo. How much bro.
Alpair 10p on Erich Hartmann's 15liters BS
(http://s5.postimg.org/g9zcvdprr/Erich_BS_Alpair10_Layout1.jpg)
primer pa lang....
(http://s5.postimg.org/y1fknkuk7/Erich_Hartmann_10p.jpg)
I am not expecting much from this enclosure.... i just want a pair of speaker while the "house" is in construction phase but i was surprised by the full bodied sound, as if i'm listening from a floor stander.
Post by: kranoz on Feb 24, 2016 at 01:53 PM
I've been browsing this thread for quite some time and I'm planning to build one myself in the future.
Now, my question is do you guys have a guide on which drivers to use for certain applications?
Andami kasi ng mga models, aside for the price, what else do you consider in choosing what drivers to use?
Post by: fredreadrick on Feb 24, 2016 at 02:58 PM
Congrats! Sana marinig ko na mga speakers mo bro. Puwede sa Horn 4 ito box mo. How much bro.Bro, try ko this weekend - dalhin ko sa inyo.
Post by: Destuning on Feb 24, 2016 at 05:06 PM
Thank you sir... hanggang DiY lang ako :) Ang ganda naman nung KEF...
ito talaga ang plan ko, kaso wala pang paglalagyan na maayus kaya inuna ko muna listening room.
(http://s5.postimg.org/3mvg0z2lz/Frugel_Horn_Cam5.jpg)
Exactly my idea for an enclosure, divine proportions or universal symmetry. 1 : 1.618 from top to bottom, like a trumpet pointing downward.
Post by: fredreadrick on Mar 17, 2016 at 01:07 PM
(http://s5.postimg.org/5xdkg7po7/ma1.jpg)
(http://s5.postimg.org/61bza7kjb/ma2.jpg)
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 14, 2016 at 05:05 PM
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 14, 2016 at 09:35 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 15, 2016 at 09:39 AM
Nice builds mga sir.
I've been browsing this thread for quite some time and I'm planning to build one myself in the future.
Now, my question is do you guys have a guide on which drivers to use for certain applications?
Andami kasi ng mga models, aside for the price, what else do you consider in choosing what drivers to use?
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 15, 2016 at 10:29 AM
18mm MDF sir jojo....
thanks sir and can I please have an idea how much is a 4'x8'?
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 15, 2016 at 12:06 PM
thanks sir and can I please have an idea how much is a 4'x8'?1250/sheet [4'x8'] :)
Post by: rochie on Apr 15, 2016 at 03:45 PM
saan ka nakabili ng MDF? meron ba malapit sa area natin?
Post by: fredreadrick on Apr 15, 2016 at 04:35 PM
bro Fred,dito lang bro sa may Bacoor [Formerly Molino] Blvd...mukhang walang tigil ang projects mo ;D
saan ka nakabili ng MDF? meron ba malapit sa area natin?
Post by: rochie on Apr 15, 2016 at 04:45 PM
dito lang bro sa may Bacoor [Formerly Molino] Blvd...mukhang walang tigil ang projects mo ;D
hehehehe dami kong fullrange driver na nakatambak,nag upgrade ako ng driver doon sa array ko kaya 8 na drivers ang nakatambak kaya naisipan ko gawan ng box.
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 15, 2016 at 10:54 PM
1250/sheet [4'x8'] :)
thanks for the info sir. :)
Post by: tony on Apr 16, 2016 at 07:41 AM
My guess is more damping and less chances of "ringing" for the frame chassis.
Wala kayang upated version ng Alpair 7 and 10?
add to that the lower cost of production...my guess...
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 26, 2016 at 05:54 PM
Wala kayang upated version ng Alpair 7 and 10?
Post by: TonyC on May 31, 2016 at 03:41 PM
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/eist/3.html
Post by: Cjtjader on Jun 01, 2016 at 01:30 PM
Post by: joesat on Aug 23, 2016 at 10:51 PM
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/IMG_17211_zpstth5xcya.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/IMG_17211_zpstth5xcya.jpg.html)
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 24, 2016 at 10:11 AM
http://www.frugal-horn.com/FH3.html
(http://www.frugal-horn.com/images/FH-Mk3-colin-fr-300.jpg)
(http://www.frugal-horn.com/images/FHMK3-3D-GS700.gif)
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 24, 2016 at 10:48 AM
From this:
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/20160803_142704_zpsmapgawjf.jpg)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/14081452_1367886123240766_35131849_n_zpstdijyg7y.jpg)
To this:
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/0_20160823_181635_zpsdsddn57d.jpg)
Post by: Cjtjader on Aug 24, 2016 at 10:56 AM
Post by: joesat on Aug 24, 2016 at 11:54 AM
Post by: timber715 on Aug 24, 2016 at 01:19 PM
Nice build, Joey. ..are those outriggers made of wood also?oo brad. Ash yung outriggers pero meron spikes.
Post by: Cjtjader on Aug 24, 2016 at 01:43 PM
oo brad. Ash yung outriggers pero meron spikes.
Well hadcrafted, Sonny!👍👍👍
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 24, 2016 at 05:37 PM
Well hadcrafted, Sonny!👍👍👍
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 24, 2016 at 05:40 PM
Integrating a woofer with the alpair 7 will need a well designed crossover so that they will integrate well. Maybe, for me, I just wanted to maximize the potential of the Alpair 7 and just let thee audio subwoofer handle the low frequency beyond the capability of the Alpair 7.
Planning to make a BS size box for my alpair 7 and put a woofer for LF to compliment with it and a simple xover. Maybe i should ask Anthony to make for me; still waiting for his reply. Wla akong space sa bahay for FS size box kasi. Sana maging ok resulta.
Post by: joesat on Aug 24, 2016 at 06:25 PM
Post by: Cjtjader on Aug 24, 2016 at 09:34 PM
The metal outriggers available in the US are so expensive.
We can fabricate locally, Joey.
Post by: timber715 on Aug 24, 2016 at 11:23 PM
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/14089374_1372552582774120_1780992750_n_zps0v8q4id9.jpg)
Post by: Cjtjader on Aug 25, 2016 at 07:02 AM
Break-in muna...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/14089374_1372552582774120_1780992750_n_zps0v8q4id9.jpg)
Initial impression naman dyan!
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 25, 2016 at 09:15 AM
We can fabricate locally, Joey.
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 25, 2016 at 09:17 AM
Mabigat siya
Malinis ang pagkakagawa
Solid ang walls and mukhang walang resonance
Maganda color combination
Stable ang outriggers
Precision fit and mga drivers
Tumutunog naman ........
..... Yan muna
Initial impression naman dyan!
Post by: fredreadrick on Aug 25, 2016 at 09:49 AM
Planning to make a BS size box for my alpair 7 and put a woofer for LF to compliment with it and a simple xover. Maybe i should ask Anthony to make for me; still waiting for his reply. Wla akong space sa bahay for FS size box kasi. Sana maging ok resulta.here' the plan of 7P+12PW.... sir, ilalagay nyo rin naman sa stand/pedestal yung BS so halos ganun pa din ang ang footprint nun O0
(https://s5.postimg.org/4kztmjmpj/7p_12p_1.jpg)
Post by: fredreadrick on Aug 25, 2016 at 09:52 AM
Latest Build -- Mark Audio Alpiar 10.3M on Frugel Horn XL boxganda sir JoeyGS, congats... naunahan mo ako :D
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 25, 2016 at 11:35 AM
Now I know what I want to be when I grow up. ;D
Post by: Cjtjader on Aug 25, 2016 at 01:44 PM
Initial impressions:
Mabigat siya
Malinis ang pagkakagawa
Solid ang walls and mukhang walang resonance
Maganda color combination
Stable ang outriggers
Precision fit and mga drivers
Tumutunog naman ........
..... Yan muna
Alam ko nmn na yan....:-)
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 25, 2016 at 04:23 PM
The forum topic at DIYaudio has lots of information and feedback making it a desirable speaker project....
ganda sir JoeyGS, congats... naunahan mo ako :D
Post by: JoeyGS on Aug 25, 2016 at 04:24 PM
Awesome build! Congrats! 8)
Now I know what I want to be when I grow up. ;D
Post by: joesat on Aug 26, 2016 at 12:05 AM
here' the plan of 7P+12PW.... sir, ilalagay nyo rin naman sa stand/pedestal yung BS so halos ganun pa din ang ang footprint nun O0
(https://s5.postimg.org/4kztmjmpj/7p_12p_1.jpg)
meron akong alpair 12p na BS sir na pinag experimentuhan ko sa onken enclosure..hanggang ngayon gamit ko parin at masaya ako sa performance..kaya lang kung gagawing ko itong 7p+12pw, di kaya magkaiba siya ksi 12p lang ung sakin? actually humingi ako kay neo nga desig identical to this pero still have to consider ung space sa bahay..sa BS ksi pwede ko siya ilagay sa hanging desk na di kailangan ng stands e..thank you Sir sa advise.
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 26, 2016 at 08:45 PM
Grown up ka na kaya .... may ilalaki ka pa ba? Ikahon na kasi ang MA drivers mo
Aba walang masama mangarap na lumaki pa! Hahaha! Wala pa paglalagyan eh, pag meron na. ;)
Post by: Cjtjader on Aug 26, 2016 at 09:34 PM
Aba walang masama mangarap na lumaki pa! Hahaha! Wala pa paglalagyan eh, pag meron na. ;)
Meron pa paglalagyan yan...ituloy mo lng ang gawain mo. Hehehe
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 27, 2016 at 12:16 PM
Meron pa paglalagyan yan...ituloy mo lng ang gawain mo. Hehehe
Parang ayaw mo pa ako mag retire brad, gustong gusto ko na mag kape sa ilalim ng puno... na may nakasabit na chr70 :D
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 01, 2016 at 11:01 AM
The Full Range audio driver that produces more bass
The Pluvia 11 is a completely new driver design. It is the first “full range” driver that can handle bass loads typically delivered by 5.5 inch to 6.5 inch mid-bass units used in most 2 way systems.
The Pluvia 11 cone is an entirely new design from Mark Fenlon. It uses a new super-strength aerospace grade alloy designed to cope with high bending stress loads. The material thickness is increased by 50% over previous Markaudio designs, yet the profile remains shallow to increase dispersion. Two more processes have been added to the Multiform cone production sequence to increase Pluvia 11's operational low frequency load capacity.
The all-new front suspension has a variable thickness geometry, increasing oscillatory stability by 30% over previous designs. The rear suspension (spider) has an operational surface area 25% larger than the Alpair 10 to cope with load demands of typical mid-bass units. However, the Pluvia 11’s high range has not been sacrificed. It outperforms the smaller Alpair 10 by reaching slightly higher frequencies with an improved spread on the high-range lift above 10kHz. Other design advances include the new “easy install” frame. This new-technology one-piece moulding utilises a GF30 glass fibre and resin mix. Pluvia 11’s frame is more rigid than previous designs, with a mounting depth of only 4.5mm, making both recessed and surface-mounting simple. Two new cone colours add visual interest. Along with the Pluvia 7, this new family of drivers will serve custom builders well into the future.
For the first time in the history of traditional full-range driver design, users now have a genuine choice to go full-range without sacrificing bass handling, or use it as a wide-range mid-bass driver that allows simple filtering.
The new Pluvia Eleven is an excellent high-end and multi-purpose driver. It's also suitable for many
computer, Home Theatre, TV, and commercial A/V applications.
Suggested box alignments:
Sealed box of 0.2 cubic foot for an 3dB down of about 105Hz
Vented box of 0.3 cubic foot with 1.5" diameter vent by 5" long for 3dB down of about 60Hz
Vented box of 0.4 cubic foot with 2" diameter vent by 6" long for 3dB down of about 55Hz
Vented box of 0.5 cubic foot with 2" diameter vent by 5" long for 3dB down of about 50Hz
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/pluvia-11-gold.jpg)
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/secondary/pluvia-11-gold-3.jpg)
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/secondary/pluvia-11-gold-2.jpg)
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/PLUVIA11-specs.jpg)
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/PLUVIA11-mech.jpg)
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/secondary/pluvia-11-gold-1.jpg)
Post by: iraluz07 on Sep 06, 2016 at 09:54 PM
Unable to upload photos, but here's the link of how it looks like https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=Alpair+12+driver&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfy8_n2_rOAhVTv5QKHe9PBsgQ_AUICCgB&biw=1366&bih=643#tbm=isch&q=chr+70+in+an+inhouse+desinged+box&imgrc=qVXAJZiDlrpmSM%3A
Can anyone teach me how to upload photos here please.
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 07, 2016 at 10:37 AM
Post by: joesat on Sep 09, 2016 at 09:32 PM
here' the plan of 7P+12PW.... sir, ilalagay nyo rin naman sa stand/pedestal yung BS so halos ganun pa din ang ang footprint nun O0
(https://s5.postimg.org/4kztmjmpj/7p_12p_1.jpg)
Good day mga bros, meron ba kayong alam na pwede gumawa ng xover ng alpair 7 and 12, ung nasa taas? Di na daw tumatanggap si DIY Master ng custom e.. Thanks.
Post by: olats on Oct 07, 2016 at 08:53 PM
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Post by: jerrylodi on Oct 19, 2016 at 10:09 AM
Break-in muna...wow ganda, congrats sir joeygs, sir pm naman kung how much po inabot ng materials, planning po sana sa alpair 7.3 ko, TIA sir joeygs
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/14089374_1372552582774120_1780992750_n_zps0v8q4id9.jpg)
Post by: RXV on Oct 19, 2016 at 11:04 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 19, 2016 at 01:56 PM
Also, the price for the Alpair 7.3 would entirely be different because it is a smaller enclosure requiring less plywood.
wow ganda, congrats sir joeygs, sir pm naman kung how much po inabot ng materials, planning po sana sa alpair 7.3 ko, TIA sir joeygs
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 19, 2016 at 02:00 PM
However, the pensil has a front port which is easier to position and tune the bass response. The FHXL has a rear port which needs to be positioned from the front wall with respect to your preference interms of bass response. For me, it seems that the overall frequency response output is more refined with the FHXL.
Wow, that is one very nice Alpair enclosure. Have you compared it (sound) with a regular Pensil enclosure (using 10.3)?
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 19, 2016 at 02:04 PM
Post by: olats on Nov 22, 2016 at 06:48 PM
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Post by: TonyC on Jan 13, 2017 at 03:43 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 13, 2017 at 05:22 PM
Refer to the link: http://frugal-phile.com/boxes-markaudio.html
It has MLTL designs for the Alpair 10 and 10.2 versions.
Bob Brines has his design for the Alpair 10.3: http://www.brinesacoustics.com/Pages/M10-A10/Main.html
You can buy the plans from Bob for $25
You may PM them at diyaudio threads as follows:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/index4.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/planet-10-hifi/
Will MLTL design work well with the 10.3?
Post by: JoeyGS on Jan 13, 2017 at 05:33 PM
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/137585-mark-audio-alpair-10-mltl-design.html
Post by: TonyC on Jan 20, 2017 at 04:37 PM
Post by: dnous10 on Jan 23, 2017 at 08:58 PM
Post by: TonyC on Feb 10, 2017 at 03:50 PM
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-6-fullrange/markaudio-pluvia-eleven-grey-6-full-range/
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 14, 2017 at 10:46 AM
Pluvia 11 is already out.....6 incher....next big thing?
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-6-fullrange/markaudio-pluvia-eleven-grey-6-full-range/
Post by: TonyC on Feb 17, 2017 at 02:31 PM
http://hifipig.com/pensil-cabinet-kit-with-pluvia-eleven-drivers/
Post by: timber715 on Mar 30, 2017 at 07:38 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on Mar 31, 2017 at 10:10 AM
Happy birtday Joeygs....
Post by: timber715 on May 19, 2017 at 03:05 PM
Post by: JoeyGS on May 23, 2017 at 12:00 AM
Main Distributor: Fidelitatem
Email Norio Nakajima San: [email protected]
Fidelitatum site: http://www.fidelitatem-sound.com
For a 4" driver, the best is the alpair 7.3
Would anyone know where I can get Markaudio in Japan? and which to get, planning to make a smallish bookshelf.
Post by: timber715 on May 23, 2017 at 12:23 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on May 23, 2017 at 12:25 AM
salamat brader, baka di na umabot... kulitin ko na lang si Jojod alam ko meron pa sya.
Post by: joesat on Jun 19, 2017 at 09:36 PM
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/IMG_2301_zpsbymrpn9j.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/IMG_2301_zpsbymrpn9j.jpg.html)
Post by: jerrylodi on Jun 20, 2017 at 09:05 AM
Post by: parasound on Jun 20, 2017 at 12:07 PM
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Post by: RXV on Jun 20, 2017 at 12:26 PM
Post by: joesat on Jun 20, 2017 at 07:01 PM
Post by: threx666 on Aug 11, 2017 at 08:53 PM
plannning to email him for some inquiries.
thanks
was trying to access the singapore Markaudio link pero ayaw magload e
Post by: fredreadrick on Aug 11, 2017 at 09:20 PM
ano nga po pala yung email add ni neo?
plannning to email him for some inquiries.
thanks
was trying to access the singapore Markaudio link pero ayaw magload e
Sir, try mo 'to,
Neo Kim Thye <[email protected]>
Kung o-order kayo - parandam naman, baka pwede makisabay :-[
Post by: jerrylodi on Aug 12, 2017 at 10:30 AM
Post by: threx666 on Aug 12, 2017 at 02:42 PM
oo nga group buy na lang magiinquire sana ako ng price. at ng makapagipon ng piso piso araw araw
hehehe baka alam nyo latest price nito pashare na lang
Post by: fredreadrick on Aug 12, 2017 at 09:39 PM
mukhang mas mababa ngayun ang price ng Alpair [base sa current prices sa Madison] may bago kasi - Pluvia :).
Post by: threx666 on Aug 13, 2017 at 10:47 PM
How about the the CHR 70? Is there any difference in price for paper or metal cones?
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Post by: Pau_D_Mann on Aug 21, 2017 at 11:43 AM
Mga Sir's Makikisabay rin sana ako sa Alpair 10 or Alpair 12P
just in case may group buy... :)
Maraming Salamat
Post by: joesat on Aug 23, 2017 at 01:39 PM
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/IMG_2501_zps01bsroqg.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/IMG_2501_zps01bsroqg.jpg.html)
Post by: joesat on Aug 28, 2017 at 12:37 AM
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/IMG_2502_zpsjbhxueg6.jpg)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Aug 28, 2017 at 02:06 AM
testing muna..kaya makalat... :)
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/IMG_2501_zps01bsroqg.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/IMG_2501_zps01bsroqg.jpg.html)
Sir how did you know what xover points to use?
Post by: joesat on Aug 28, 2017 at 11:02 AM
Post by: parasound on Aug 28, 2017 at 11:49 AM
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Post by: RXV on Aug 28, 2017 at 12:21 PM
Very nice! How did you build the crossover? Did you buy it pre-made or DIY?
The Alpair 7 needs some break-in time to perform at its best. Sa simula medyo harsh/edgy siya at highs, but after a while (100 hrs and up, even up to 200 hrs), warm sounding na siya with details galore :)
Post by: joesat on Aug 28, 2017 at 02:24 PM
Post by: jerrylodi on Aug 28, 2017 at 02:45 PM
Post by: RXV on Aug 28, 2017 at 03:22 PM
Post by: joesat on Aug 28, 2017 at 10:00 PM
Pag na frustate ka sir sa breaking period saluhin ko sir mark audio mo hahaha ;D, congrats ulit sir joesat :)
hehe..thanks ;D
Post by: olats on Oct 28, 2017 at 12:49 AM
Post by: RXV on Oct 28, 2017 at 10:06 AM
Post by: remington on Dec 05, 2017 at 05:55 PM
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171116_165720_zpswlvs3mca.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171116_165720_zpswlvs3mca.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171116_154448_zps4f9nvygm.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171116_154448_zps4f9nvygm.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171126_122546_zpswpjb4ugc.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171126_122546_zpswpjb4ugc.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171130_170831_zpslimly5e1.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171130_170831_zpslimly5e1.jpg.html)
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Post by: remington on Dec 05, 2017 at 06:44 PM
Post by: geriboy on Feb 25, 2018 at 09:47 PM
It's official, these clones are staying in my setup. Unlike the original Pioneer PT-6, these clones took a bit of fiddling to integrate it to my Markaudio speakers. My main goal was to augment some "sizzle" to the falling upper frequency response of my main speakers... and so it did. The lack of proper data from the manufacturer meant that I had to rely on some "old school" ways for the crossover filters but it was all fun and worth it. 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/1jIDNDt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/o4r6ssV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XUiZ8ec.jpg)
We played Chuck Mangione's Bellavia and it passed with flying colors. Well, at least to our ears (happy wife = happy life). ;)
I was fortunate na napakinggan ko ang setup ni sir Jojo. Napahanga ako sa tunog ng speakers nya. From classical to vocals to jazz to marching band, kayang kaya ng speakers nya. Tamang tama ang highs mids and lows nito. Maganda rin ang bass nito. At hindi nakakapagod makinig ng mga tugtog.
Two thumbs up sa inyo, sir Jojo. Pati rin sa Mark Audio!
Post by: threx666 on Mar 06, 2018 at 12:43 PM
I was asked by a friend to make a modified down firing single chambered pencil box for his alpair 7.3. The outcome was very rewarding and the owner was very pleased with the outcome of the sound...
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171116_165720_zpswlvs3mca.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171116_165720_zpswlvs3mca.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171116_154448_zps4f9nvygm.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171116_154448_zps4f9nvygm.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171126_122546_zpswpjb4ugc.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171126_122546_zpswpjb4ugc.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171130_170831_zpslimly5e1.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171130_170831_zpslimly5e1.jpg.html)
danda danda naman nito.
sir Remington, pwede ba ishare yung mga dimensions ng cabinets na to?
hehehe
Post by: olats on May 01, 2018 at 03:43 PM
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Post by: deist on Sep 04, 2018 at 11:14 AM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1855/44446275311_a80a5679cd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aHyMaz)Pluvia7_4 (https://flic.kr/p/2aHyMaz) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1887/44446274501_fa4d3853ab_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aHyLVB)Pluvia7_7 (https://flic.kr/p/2aHyLVB) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1894/44396857402_055906213d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aDcuWE)Pluvia7_3 (https://flic.kr/p/2aDcuWE) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1878/43728683754_b80f638f97_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29C9Wcm)Pluvia7_1 (https://flic.kr/p/29C9Wcm) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1867/44396857792_16d2b98446_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aDcv4o)Pluvia7_2 (https://flic.kr/p/2aDcv4o) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1896/29508315797_e470ca34b8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LXxQet)Pluvia7_5 (https://flic.kr/p/LXxQet) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1865/44396856962_11ec600186_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aDcuP5)Pluvia7_6 (https://flic.kr/p/2aDcuP5) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1843/29508314527_39028625ee_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LXxPRz)Pluvia7_9 (https://flic.kr/p/LXxPRz) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
Thanks ;)
Post by: RXV on Sep 04, 2018 at 11:23 AM
Ilang plywood ang nagamit diyan? :o
Post by: deist on Sep 04, 2018 at 11:31 AM
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Post by: deist on Sep 04, 2018 at 01:42 PM
downported ito sir? nice build!
Post by: deist on Oct 23, 2018 at 10:59 AM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1902/45486380071_2a9195a408_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2citA5g)JG_MLTL_10.3_2 (https://flic.kr/p/2citA5g) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1979/45486379711_a72444c6ea_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2citzY4)JG_MLTL_10.3_4 (https://flic.kr/p/2citzY4) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1968/31613169828_21588bee79_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QaxL1d)JG_MLTL_10.3_6 (https://flic.kr/p/QaxL1d) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
Post by: deist on Oct 23, 2018 at 11:01 AM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1914/45435154952_b7587b1eec_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3Cy)JG_MLTL_10.3_12 (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3Cy) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
Post by: deist on Oct 24, 2018 at 10:14 AM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1970/31613169378_4df7aac9f1.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QaxKSs)JG_MLTL_10.3_8 (https://flic.kr/p/QaxKSs) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1916/45486379491_b6c892ce08.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2citzUg)JG_MLTL_10.3_7 (https://flic.kr/p/2citzUg) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1916/45486379431_7357667f3b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2citzTe)JG_MLTL_10.3_9 (https://flic.kr/p/2citzTe) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
Post by: deist on Oct 24, 2018 at 10:15 AM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1936/45435154602_cd8ffc7244.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3ww)JG_MLTL_10.3_13 (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3ww) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
Post by: TonyC on Oct 25, 2018 at 05:13 PM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1923/45435155252_8ea350307b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3HJ)JG_MLTL_10.3_10 (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3HJ) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1936/45435154602_cd8ffc7244.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3ww)JG_MLTL_10.3_13 (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3ww) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
New owner viber'd me a short video of these babies in action. WOW!!!! And to think woofer hasn't been broken in yet. Kudos to the maker for a high end product at a very sensible price. May your tribe increase.
Post by: RXV on Oct 25, 2018 at 07:20 PM
Post by: deist on Oct 26, 2018 at 12:22 PM
New owner viber'd me a short video of these babies in action. WOW!!!! And to think woofer hasn't been broken in yet. Kudos to the maker for a high end product at a very sensible price. May your tribe increase.
Post by: deist on Oct 26, 2018 at 12:22 PM
Wow!
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 05, 2018 at 11:08 AM
New owner viber'd me a short video of these babies in action. WOW!!!! And to think woofer hasn't been broken in yet. Kudos to the maker for a high end product at a very sensible price. May your tribe increase.
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 05, 2018 at 11:09 AM
Thanks for the kind words sir. Performance-to-price ratio of these speakers is definitely bang for the buck.
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 13, 2018 at 09:50 PM
Congrats Arnel Pineda! Errr na starstruck na naman ako! :D :D :D
Post by: deist on Nov 22, 2018 at 07:14 PM
Sire Tony, Oo nga eh .... nung tumutugtog na, di mo na makausap ... hehehe. Kidding aside, heard this personally and with around more than 50 hours of break-in, it sounds very good and will definitely be sounding excellent when it completes its 800 hour break-in period. I have the same driver and while it needs a long break-in period, you will still enjoy it along the way. The last tone to settle down is the bass after the break-in period.
Post by: JoeyGS on Nov 27, 2018 at 10:20 PM
Subok mo na yan drivers na yan brader. Ikaw yata ang may 10.3 na pinakamatagal na sa PH? ;)
Post by: deist on Nov 28, 2018 at 11:48 AM
Tsambalerong potograpo at speakers builder lang brader ;D ;D
Thanks!
Ganda naman!
Congrats Arnel Pineda! Errr na starstruck na naman ako! :D :D :D
Post by: deist on Dec 08, 2018 at 05:17 PM
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4866/31288278857_e3b018b4b5.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBeK)Mini_Onken_10.3-1 (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBeK) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
Post by: comet on Dec 08, 2018 at 05:30 PM
Post by: RXV on Dec 09, 2018 at 02:48 PM
Hats off to you sir :D
Post by: deist on Dec 09, 2018 at 03:08 PM
Your builds sir deist are getting better and better each time :)
Hats off to you sir :D
Thanks sir comet :)
ganda sir!
Post by: deist on Dec 09, 2018 at 03:30 PM
The speakers will be crossed to 2 Rel T5 subs to handle the lows, hence the decision to opt for bookshelves. The position of the 2 subs in the room; 1 at the front left corner behind the speakers and the second one at the back right corner of the room, behind the listening chair.
I must say I was surprised at how effortlessly the mini-onkens integrated with the 2 subs. It is well-balanced and there's no localization of the bass sound. It just fills the room. It also compliments the extension in the highs the MA 10.3M can produce. Imaging is spot on, vocals is always dead center in the music materials we tried.
More photos:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4869/31288278817_f01a688abc.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBe4)Mini_Onken_10.3-2 (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBe4) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4900/31288278657_d12295171e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBbi)Mini_Onken_10.3-5 (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBbi) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
Post by: deist on Dec 09, 2018 at 03:32 PM
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4883/31288278717_027f5e8cb4.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBck)Mini_Onken_10.3-4 (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBck) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
Post by: JoeyGS on Sep 18, 2019 at 03:37 AM
https://www.markaudio.com/
Post by: fredreadrick on Jul 12, 2021 at 11:16 AM
I searched the entire PDVD forum for Decware DNA Horn but found zero result.
So i am sharing my build on this. Matagal na ako nai-intriga sa speaker cabinet na 'to, pero kelangan muna ng right tools & time para magawa. Di kasi ubra circular saw lang, daming cuts & angled pa.
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World's Smallest Full Range Horn...for further info:
Nearly 20Hz~20kHz from a single driver without corner loading!It covers the full 9.96 octaves of human hearing!
And while the driver is rated at around 90dB @ 1 watt /1 meter, that actual efficiency in this cabinet design is closer to 93/94dB making it compatible with high quality tube amplifiers as small as 2 watts.
This seemingly impossible stunt of getting such performance from such a small cabinet is made possible by one of DECWARE's creator Steve Deckert's original designs.
https://www.decware.com/newsite/HORN.html (https://www.decware.com/newsite/HORN.html)
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Decware uses 10p on their latest build.
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Designer Steve Deckert talking about...
The DRIVER: "It's the best driver I've heard straight out the box with no modifications. In fact there is absolutely nothing I can do to it or tweak on it to make it better... most impressive!"
The CABINET: "As you may have figured out by looking at the frequency response - the secret to the DNA horn design is that it stretches bass response down to 1/2 the driver's fs. This is a good thing because you get that precious low bass with the speed of a higher fs driver that moves less!"
Initial impression - WOW!, though the drivers have around 25 hours of break-in time.
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(https://scontent.fmnl4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/217519990_4461363670555229_1448524268225354011_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_eui2=AeH18pHTtFaWjX_7yW_mhuQKtmn-m99OgVW2af6b306BVSudNw55X_nB620NoE1iMumLl10apsb5KxOaE76Lyv47&_nc_ohc=tZxqMtNBdeEAX9V_ng9&_nc_ht=scontent.fmnl4-2.fna&oh=9aa651eb1b2550389fe3aa301f36cce0&oe=616401BC)
Finishing na lang O0