^ we have our own opinion talaga bro.. elite centers for me are noah and howard, m.gasol and nene are borderlines, i dont think he is on the same level na.. thebo has his moments siguro but comparing to real defensive g/sg players like tony allen, butler, rondo, another guard from celtics forgot his name, wade, bryant when healthy, parang ang layo nya.. danny green too.. when the time comes siguro na we expect an okc game to be a low scoring then yes, their defense can be called ok, kasi despite having the 2 so called good defenders, they still allow 100plus points a game.. just my 2 cents..