Author Topic: PINOY FLICKS to see before you die (Read 42870 times)

jdv1229 · « **Reply #60 on:** Oct 20, 2004 at 11:21 PM »

Quote from: keating on Oct 20, 2004 at 11:20 PM

is it SILIP SA DILIM.....

i don't think so... Maria Isabel made a movie with Sarsi Emmanuelle entitled SILIP directed by one of your faves Elwood Perez...

keating · « **Reply #61 on:** Oct 20, 2004 at 11:26 PM »

Quote from: Jojo Devera on Oct 20, 2004 at 11:20 PM

nakakatawa ka talaga...

were you talking about the famous 'Walang himala" scene? it was only one long shot... take one ang buong eksena with six or seven cameras. Bernal was great at handling crowd scenes.

yeah.....in my book that scene remains one of the Best Moments in Philippine Cinema but of course nothing can beat the EXODUS scene of the Lorenzo & Ojeda clan in Oro Plata Mata.

jdv1229 · « **Reply #62 on:** Oct 20, 2004 at 11:30 PM »

Quote from: keating on Oct 20, 2004 at 11:26 PM

yeah.....in my book that scene remains one of the Best Moments in Philippine Cinema but of course nothing can beat the EXODUS scene of the Lorenzo & Ojeda clan in Oro Plata Mata.

although the EXODUS scene in Oro has always been compared to the burning of Atlanta scene in Gone With The Wind i still thought Oro was more astounding.

keating · « **Reply #63 on:** Oct 20, 2004 at 11:35 PM »

Quote from: Jojo Devera on Oct 20, 2004 at 11:30 PM

although the EXODUS scene in Oro has always been compared to the burning of Atlanta scene in Gone With The Wind i still thought Oro was more astounding.

I just wish that Exodus scene in Oro much longer....but Peque shortened it after the late Ishma comment about that.....

jdv1229 · « **Reply #64 on:** Oct 21, 2004 at 03:46 AM »

Quote from: keating on Oct 20, 2004 at 11:35 PM

I just wish that Exodus scene in Oro much longer....but Peque shortened it after the late Ishma comment about that.....

well Bernal knew what he was talking about... i'm just thankful that Peque listened.

keating · « **Reply #65 on:** Oct 21, 2004 at 09:16 AM »

EBOLUSYON NG PAMILYANG PILIPINO got a lengthy review on Variety considered by many as the movie industries Bible.

The 10 hours magnum opus by Lav Diaz is starting to create a buzz internationally.

Can't wait to see this on the big screen.....a lunch box is mandatory with coffee to keep you awake while watching the film.

oggsmoggs · « **Reply #66 on:** Oct 21, 2004 at 10:52 AM »

keating, can you post the review on Ebolusyon? I think you need to be a member to read the complete review...

Noel_Vera · « **Reply #67 on:** Oct 21, 2004 at 11:31 AM »

Quote from: keating on Oct 20, 2004 at 09:51 PM

Too bad I really missed on my lists....Lino Brocka's GUMISING KA MARUJA. We have a beta tape of this movie but I haven't got the chance to watch it dahil inamag na.....

Gumising Ka showed on Pelikula at Lipunana a few times, a 35 mm print. That's how I saw it. Not great (it comes apart at the end), but better than most Filipino horror films.

I don't think Brocka had his heart really set on horror.

Noel_Vera · « **Reply #68 on:** Oct 21, 2004 at 11:37 AM »

Quote from: Jojo Devera on Oct 20, 2004 at 10:19 PM

i think nothing is hotter than Scorpio not even the so called pene-movies of the mid 80's.

Mario O'Hara's uncut Bed Sins is more graphic--actual oral sex, though it's inserts of doubles and not the stars themselves doing it. Interesting sanity/insanity subtext.

Y'know, I thought Init sa Magdamag was much hotter than Scorpio. It's more erotic, the psychology more twisted (sado-masochistic relationship between Lorna and Dindo), and it does all this without a single moment of nudity.

And it was written and directed by two women. Both of them hot.

keating · « **Reply #69 on:** Oct 21, 2004 at 12:11 PM »

Quote from: oggsmoggs on Oct 21, 2004 at 10:52 AM

keating, can you post the review on Ebolusyon? I think you need to be a member to read the complete review...

Oggs I just read it on Phil. Daily Inquirer yesterday just a partial review of the movie. It was even compared by some critics to Wong Kar Wai flicks....cinephiles would surely love it.....

this is a celebration for Philippine cinema!!!

keating · « **Reply #70 on:** Oct 21, 2004 at 12:16 PM »

Quote from: Noel_Vera on Oct 21, 2004 at 11:31 AM

Gumising Ka showed on Pelikula at Lipunana a few times, a 35 mm print. That's how I saw it. Not great (it comes apart at the end), but better than most Filipino horror films.

I don't think Brocka had his heart really set on horror.

I missed this one also at Pelikula at Lipunan. Was the print still pristine, good condition, Noel? I thought the ending was great....

what I admired for Gumising is Conrado Baltazar's cinematography....who did the production design?

Noel_Vera · « **Reply #71 on:** Oct 21, 2004 at 12:34 PM »

Production design of Gumising? Mel Chionglo.

Pretty good, too. The house was a character all by itself.

I tell you, he was better off as production designer than director.

That was the one and only time O'Hara boarded a plane (to fly to--uh, Bacolod, if I remember right). Brocka held his hand the whole time, he was so terrified.

keating · « **Reply #72 on:** Oct 21, 2004 at 12:47 PM »

Gumising's production design is much better I think than ITIM. Was it the same house Noel where Peque shot Oro?

Noel_Vera · « **Reply #73 on:** Oct 21, 2004 at 02:32 PM »

No. The house in Maruja was huge, like a building. The house in Oro (you're thinking of the first one, in the Oro section?) was more like a mansion.

keating · « **Reply #74 on:** Oct 21, 2004 at 06:39 PM »

I was thinking also of the villa at the PLATA section of Oro where the Lorenzo clan resides and where the endless mahjong session happened.

Noel_Vera · « **Reply #75 on:** Oct 22, 2004 at 01:14 PM »

If I remember right, the Plata house had a rooftop porch for nighttime skywatching. The Maruja house was shaped like a Shoemart mall building--massive and rectangular.

keating · « **Reply #76 on:** Oct 23, 2004 at 01:22 PM »

Quote from: Noel_Vera on Oct 21, 2004 at 12:34 PM

Production design of Gumising? Mel Chionglo.

Pretty good, too. The house was a character all by itself.

I tell you, he was better off as production designer than director.

That was the one and only time O'Hara boarded a plane (to fly to--uh, Bacolod, if I remember right). Brocka held his hand the whole time, he was so terrified.

So, O'Hara didn't attend any filmfest abroad Noel?

He was also in Gumising along with Peque.....what a casting coup.....

Noel_Vera · « **Reply #77 on:** Oct 23, 2004 at 01:35 PM »

He's only once been off the island of Luzon that I know of.

Interesting note: Celso Ad. Castillo plays an Erap figure in Bagong Hari...and in the cast, playing Dan Alvaro's mother, is Erap's great love, Perla Bautista. She plays the great love of Alvaro's dad (Robert Arevalo), who has made love to many women, but only had one son--with Perla.

keating · « **Reply #78 on:** Oct 23, 2004 at 01:44 PM »

BAGONG HARI seems to have a hidden political touch.....who wrote the screenplay?

Noel_Vera · « **Reply #79 on:** Oct 23, 2004 at 03:01 PM »

Frank Rivera, Mario O'Hara.

Bagong Hari is all political metaphor. It's a terminal film, the last great Filipino film before the end of the Marcos era, arguably the last great film of that period from 1974 to 1986 (I don't really consider the end of a decade the end of an artistic period) that is considered a golden age of Philippine Cinema.

It's the last word on the cycle of violence, torture, assassination that marked that period. In a way, it does for violence what Scorpio Nights does for sex.

Elvira Manahan is Imelda, Celso plays Erap, I'm not sure but I think Joel Lamangan is Fabian Ver. Joel Torre doesn't seem to stand in for Bongbong Maros, tho (was he a homicidal sociopath? Seems more like Enrile's boy). The death of Arevalo could be a stand in for the death of Ninoy. And the province this all takes place in is unnamed, but you assume it's Manila.

Jojo, anyone, you know of any political subtext I'm missing here?

keating · « **Reply #80 on:** Oct 23, 2004 at 03:06 PM »

Nice inputs on BAGONG HARI. Its a mixed pala of political characters. Who were the other cast aside from you mentioned except for Carmi Martin?

And how bloody, violent than BATCH 81?

Noel_Vera · « **Reply #81 on:** Oct 23, 2004 at 04:16 PM »

Offhand, can't think of any more people. Well, Edwin O'Hara's always in his films.

How much bloodier? Hard to put a number on it. I recall a Hong Kong programmer flinching at one of the scenes (Jojo, you might remember--Dan is tied standing up and Joel is kneeling in front of him...

)

rse · « **Reply #82 on:** Oct 23, 2004 at 07:49 PM »

Bagong Hari
I'm really looking forward to seeing this movie in any format. Can you buy this title somewhere???
I'm yet to see an O' Hara-directed movie that I really like (although I haven't seen his masterpiece, Tatlong Taon Walang Diyos). I'm not quite solved with him mixing neorealism with gothic sequences. I always find those gothic sequences indulgent and distracting.

But this might be the one that might just work for me...

keating · « **Reply #83 on:** Oct 23, 2004 at 08:04 PM »

Unfortunately rse....Bagong Hari is not available on any format....but there is still a surviving print available according to Noel.

Let's hope that SOFIA (Society of Film Archivist) will show it soon....

Noel_Vera · « **Reply #84 on:** Oct 24, 2004 at 10:53 AM »

There are few O'Hara films I don't like, myself. I think visually he's superior to Brocka or Bernal.

Officially, there are no prints of Bagong Hari left. Joey Pineda wanted to look for one, but he fell into a coma, is possibly dead.

renato · « **Reply #85 on:** Oct 25, 2004 at 05:42 PM »

There's an excerpt of Frank Rivera's script for Bagong Hari in Ricky Lee's "Trip to Quiapo".

Noel_Vera · « **Reply #86 on:** Oct 26, 2004 at 04:56 AM »

The entire script of Bagong Hari is published, by UST press, I have a copy.

keating · « **Reply #87 on:** Oct 26, 2004 at 08:02 AM »

Quote from: renato requiestas on Oct 25, 2004 at 05:42 PM

There's an excerpt of Frank Rivera's script for Bagong Hari in Ricky Lee's "Trip to Quiapo".

yeah have read it also in Ricky Lee's informative book.

renato · « **Reply #88 on:** Oct 26, 2004 at 03:13 PM »

Quote from: Noel_Vera on Oct 26, 2004 at 04:56 AM

The entire script of Bagong Hari is published, by UST press, I have a copy.

Do you know if it's still in print?
I probably have to see the movie first...

Noel_Vera · « **Reply #89 on:** Oct 27, 2004 at 11:51 AM »

For the record, as I've said before, no known print exists. Joey Pineda wanted to look for one, but he's in a coma, possibly dead.