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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #180 on: Aug 15, 2006 at 04:22 PM »
Isa sa major differences between the current gen DVD and the next-gen DVD is the surround format used, which according to the review (on the previous page of this thread), is much superior than DTS and DD. 

As pointed out by alvinthx2 & others with HD dvd, the difference in PQ and Audio quality is really huge as compared to our standard DVD but given time for the technology to mature & stabilize, I'd say it just getting better  :)

Similarly in audio, you'll need major upgrade to your sound system esp your AVR with the latest HDMI version to take full advantage of the new superior HD audio combined with good speakers system otherwise only mediocre results lang ;D

In short, our AV equipments play an important role too in order to fully enjoy the full glorious of HD. Tho I have a 720p display but until such time those bugs have been iron out, more HD movies release & eventually when the market price drop...then that's the time I might consider to jump into the back wagon (tho I'm tempted & dying to jump ship now) ;D
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #181 on: Aug 17, 2006 at 02:28 PM »
Similarly in audio, you'll need major upgrade to your sound system esp your AVR with the latest HDMI version to take full advantage of the new superior HD audio combined with good speakers system otherwise only mediocre results lang ;D


There are many users of Toshiba HD players on the net that are using current HT audio gears.  There are still no AV gears in the market than can process the high resolution lossless Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD that will require the new HDMI ver 1.3 to carry the digital signals and only if the content makers will allow it.   And that's a big IF.  Content makers are apparently not interested in allowing this.  So the only way at the moment to experience the new audio formats is via multi-channel analog connection or via HDMI 1.1 from the player to the preamp/receiver.  The player decodes the native DolbyTrueHD, or DTS-HD and streams them as uncompressed  5.1 LPCM into your receivers via HDMI or multichannel analog. Otherwise, if you use S/PDIF connection, you'll get downconverted DTS streams (but at its highest bitrate of 1500+mbps )which the player re-encodes from the HD audio track.  And surprisingly, I heard neither the i-link nor d-link can carry these digital signals.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #182 on: Aug 17, 2006 at 02:35 PM »

They selling the tosh for P42K.  The width of the remote is normal, but the length is about 13-18 inches. 

Unless CHINA is given the technology to manufacture HD sets, I'm afraid HD players will not see their prices dropping to comparable levels as those generic DVD players.  Right now, the branded HD makers are not interested in sharing the technology to China, for fear of the repeat of the DVD player experinece that drove prices down to sub $50 mark last Christmas.  As such, even if the prices drop more later than sooner, I won't be surprised if HD players will settle eventually in the P20,000 mark even for an entry level one.  That's a far cry from the 4-5T levels among regular branded entry level DVD players.  Thanks to China flooding the world with generic DVD players that don't pay hardware royalties.  This time, it could be an entirely different ball game.  HD could very well be a niche player  reserved only to the high-end moneyed class.   And with HD titles hovering in the 2T - 2.5T  mark per, with no cheap pirated titles ever, I doubt if the ordinary joe will let go his DVDs for HD titles. 
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HD DVD vs. Blu-ray: And the Winner is ... No One
« Reply #183 on: Aug 17, 2006 at 09:57 PM »
HD DVD vs. Blu-ray: And the Winner is ... No One

http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/articles/2006/08/hd_dvd_vs_blu-r.php  :)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #184 on: Aug 18, 2006 at 02:20 PM »
An AV forum member elsewhere opined that the format winner will be determined by which one has the most number of PORNO titles.   ;D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #185 on: Aug 18, 2006 at 03:24 PM »
Just read a news article that Toshiba has licensed HD-DVD technology to a number of CHinese manufactuers to make low-cost HD-DVD players.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/20/business/dvd.php

This is in direct contrast to SONY and Matsus**ta's snooty attitude against licensing their Blu-ray technologies to Chinese makers as this could undercut their profits and R&D investments.  My hats off to Toshiba for doing the right thing and not following the business line.  For sure, making HD-DVD players in large numbers the way China did for DVD will bring down the player cost to mass market levels and thus ensure the format's faster acceptance to a larger market segment.  This will certainly undercut Toshiba's R&D inveestment and compete with their own products but in the long run, with a larger market share, Toshiba's HD-DVD format should win out.

Unless SONY catches up and does the same, I hazard to opine that with this move from Tosh, the War just ended. 

This format war is really a marketing war, not a product technology war.  It reminds me that the Betamax was said to be a superior product technically but lost out to VHS because the latter was able to satisfy the market with 2-hour movies faster and in droves.  Now, SONY is about to repeat history by losing sight of the fact that this is not about technology.  It is about satisfying the market and giving value for the price they pay.   It is plain that both formats can deliver the pic and sound quality for high definition video and sound.  It is now all about allowing as much of the market to benefit from that technology.  At a price the majority can afford and reasonable for them to replace their DVD collection with, if at all. 
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #186 on: Aug 18, 2006 at 08:20 PM »
An AV forum member elsewhere opined that the format winner will be determined by which one has the most number of PORNO titles.   ;D

hehe nice one  ;D Meanwhile my hat off to Toshiba for licensing HD-DVD technology to a number of Chinese manufactuers  8)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #187 on: Aug 22, 2006 at 01:34 PM »
hehe nice one  ;D Meanwhile my hat off to Toshiba for licensing HD-DVD technology to a number of Chinese manufactuers  8)


oooh, maybe they might have a good cheap release HD-DVD player in HK by the end of the year  :)

Exciting.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #188 on: Aug 22, 2006 at 01:41 PM »

oooh, maybe they might have a good cheap release HD-DVD player in HK by the end of the year  :)

Exciting.

Actually meron na sa HMV....pero kokonti pa lang ang titles.... :)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #189 on: Aug 22, 2006 at 01:56 PM »

oooh, maybe they might have a good cheap release HD-DVD player in HK by the end of the year  :)

Exciting.

Don't bet on that yet.  If I go by the DVD experience, it took China some time to reach critical mass to flood the world with cheap generic DVD players only starting in 2002 - a good 5 years after the intro of DVD in 97.  After that the prices went downhill pretty fast culminating in christmas of  2005 with $30 DVD players at Wallmart - 8 years after the DVD debut.  It may be shorter this time though but I doubt it wlll happen that soon. 

Also, generic DVD players never paid a single cent to the DVD consortium.  This time, the agreement with Toshiba required such payment to Toshiba.  So I doubt if the cheapest HD-DVD player that China can make can match the price levels of the cheapest DVD generics we now enjoy.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #190 on: Aug 24, 2006 at 09:49 AM »
BLU-RAY vs HD DVD:  An Early Update on ROUND 2

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #191 on: Sep 01, 2006 at 09:21 PM »
I had earlier opined a prediction that the HD format war just ended with China DVD makers being licensed to make low cost HD-DVD from Toshiba. WHile the Sony camp maintains its snooty attitude.   But I guess there's more than one way to end this war before it even heats up.  ;D

Pioneer is planning to unveil a HYBRID DRIVE that can play both formats.  Read here:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=17880

I knew this would be possible but I didn't expect it to be this soon.  In the same way that Universal DVD Players allowed combating SACD and DVD-A high res audio formats to co-exist, I see no reason why a similar universal player concept won't do the same for the competing high def video formats.  So consumers can just pick the title they want regardless of which format it's on.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #192 on: Sep 04, 2006 at 12:27 PM »
In one AV forum, a poster said he didn't like BluRay discs because if you pronounced it fast enough, it gets to sound like Blurry disc.   ;D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #193 on: Sep 04, 2006 at 10:05 PM »
Movies 'the key' ;D ;D

Backers of the rival formats have been reluctant to concede any ground in the battle to emerge on top in the HD video market.

 
The backers of Blu-ray hope Sony PS3 will boost its reach
Both formats offer greatly increased storage capacity, compared with traditional DVD players, to cope with the huge sizes of video encoded for new high definition TVs and displays.

But while HD-DVD discs can contain up to 30GB of data, backers of Blu-ray boast that their discs can store even larger files, of up to 50GB.

Analysts and manufacturers say that deals with film studios may hold the key to winning the emerging contest between the two formats.

While Toshiba showed off its new HD-DVD machines at IFA in Berlin, Hollywood giant Twentieth Century Fox gave Blu-ray a boost by announcing plans to release films for that format only.

"We have no plans to release on HD-DVD. Consumer-wise Blu-ray is the best proposition," said Mike Dunn, global president of home entertainment for the studio.

Time Warner also announced plans to release films on Blu-ray, Reuters reported.

Only three of the major studios have said they will release movies in HD-DVD formats.

Seven studios are releasing their movies on Blu-Ray. Two of those studios overlap. If you want to watch a Universal movie (King Kong, Apollo 13, Back to the Future, E.T.),  that movie will only be available in High Def on HD DVD. Conversely, if you want to see a 20th Century Fox, Sony, Tristar, Columbia, MGM, UA, or Disney Movie (Star Wars, Alien, The Fifth Element, The Big Chill, Ghostbusters, James Bond franchise, Species, Rocky, Pink Floyd The Wall, 2001 - A Space Odyssey, The Last Waltz, Harry Potter franchise, Chronicles of Narnia franchise), you'll have to go with Blu-Ray. Warner/New Line and Paramount (The Matrix franchise, Batman franchise, Nightmare on Elm Street franchise, Lord of the Rings franchise, Friday the 13th franchise, Mission: Impossible franchise, Jack Ryan franchise) are coming out on both formats.

But Yoshihide Fujii, Toshiba's digital consumer chief, raised doubts that most Hollywood films would require the greater storage capacity of Blu-ray discs.

"The question is: who needs this," he told Reuters, referring to Blu-ray's capacity.

He said the rival formats could continue to co-exist, but conceded that the major film studios could make or break either format.

Porn industry may decide battle between Blu-ray, HD-DVD   :o :o

Just as in the 1980s, when the Betamax and VHS video formats were battling it out for supremacy, the pornography industry will likely play a major role in determining which of the two blue-laser DVD formats -- Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD -- will be the winner in the battle to replace DVDs for high-definition content.

Ron Wagner, director of IT operations at E! Entertainment Television Inc. in Los Angeles, said his company has already chosen the Blu-ray Disc format, in large part because of talk in the porn industry favoring it over rival HD-DVD.

Wagner said that while attending last year’s National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) annual conference in Las Vegas, more than one panel discussed “several major players in the porn industry going the Blu-ray route.” He said the rivalry between Blu-ray and HD-DVD was also the buzz around NAB 2006 last month.

“If you look at the VHS vs. Beta standards, you see the much higher-quality standard dying because of [the porn industry’s support of VHS],” he said. “The mass volume of tapes in the porn market at the time went out on VHS.”

E! Entertainment is using Blu-Ray discs primarily for Sony Corp.’s XDCam applications for acquisition of television programming materials. The television network, which has more than 85 million subscribers to its celebrity gossip and entertainment news, said it is not considering optical formats for long-term data archiving but will stick with magnetic tape for now.

The pornography industry, which generates an estimated $57 billion in annual revenue worldwide, has always been a fast leader when it comes to the use of new technology, according to analysts.

Porn studio Digital Playground Inc., which claims to have produced the largest number of high-definition movies in the industry over the past three years, said it is choosing Blu-ray Disc for all of its “interactive” videos because of its greater capacity. It also selected Blue-ray because Sony chose the format for its PlayStation 3 (PS3) box, due out in November.

The co-founder of Chatsworth, Calif.-based Digital Playground, who goes by the one-word name “Joone,” said the fact that Sony chose Blu-ray guarantees his studio an instant home audience.

“PlayStation 3 is going to be the Trojan horse that will get a lot of numbers into the home theater systems -- the living rooms,” said Joone, who is also a movie director. “Technology-wise, we’ve chosen Blu-ray, which doesn’t mean we won’t support both formats ... but as far as having really cool technology and a lot of storage for future-proof, Blu-ray is a good format.”

Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD are the new optical-disc formats that are positioned as replacements for DVDs with high-definition content.

Blu-ray is not only backed by entertainment giant Sony, but Panasonic Corporation of North America, LG Electronics Inc., Philips Electronics NV and movie studios The Walt Disney Co. and Fox Filmed Entertainment. Blu-ray offers storage up to 50GB capacity, or up to nine hours of high-definition content. In contrast, HD-DVD has 30GB capacity and is supported by companies including Toshiba Corp., NEC Corp. and Warner Home Video Inc.

Paul O’Donovan, an analyst at Gartner Inc., said pornography’s support of either DVD format will be a “strong factor” to the uptake of the technology by the general marketplace, but even more critical is Sony’s adoption of the technology.

O’Donovan said even though the Blu-ray format will be more expensive initially and will come after that of HD-DVD, the sheer support it is receiving from the entertainment industry, including pornography studios, will catapult it to a victory within a range of 18 months to five years.


Steve Hirsch, head of the adult film studio Vivid Entertainment Group, said he’s currently using the HD-DVD format because it was the first to be available, but his studio will begin burning to the Blu-ray format as soon as it’s available.

“The adult industry has always been ahead of the curve when it comes to technology. We don’t have any theatrical distribution issues, nor do we have 'big box' retailers, like Wal-Mart and Blockbuster, to cater to. We’re forced to find distribution wherever we can,” Hirsch said.

Hirsch, who founded Vivid Entertainment in 1984, said the porn industry -- just as in the 1980s -- will have a big influence on the outcome of the latest high-definition video-format wars. In the 1980s, Hirsch said VHS tapes started selling for $50 a piece, and Betamax sold for $55. “Therefore, we pushed VHS harder, and in that sense, we did have something to do with VHS winning out,” said Hirsch, whose studio pulls in an estimated $100 million in revenue a year.

“It was the adult industry who jumped right in and were putting movies on both VHS and Beta. We pushed the actual technology more than anyone else,” he said. “The adult industry has always been ahead when comes to technology.”

But not everyone believes the format war will be determined by the porn industry. Steve Duplessie, founder of research firm Enterprise Strategy Group Inc. in Milford, Mass., and a Computerworld columnist, said the porn industry’s influence over the fate of VHS and the upcoming high-definition DVD formats is overstated. Duplessie said VHS ultimately won over Betamax because Betamax was a proprietary format owned by Sony, while VHS was more open.

“I love the whole pornography concept simply because porn is still the No. 1 money-making use of the Internet," he said. "But I don’t believe the porn industry will drive the format. Like any other industry, it will supply what the consumer wants."






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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #194 on: Sep 04, 2006 at 10:34 PM »
From hereon, Blu ray has to catch up with HD-DVD.  Notwithstanding more studio support for BD, there are now more than twice the number of HD-DVD titles than Blu-ray titles.   

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #195 on: Sep 05, 2006 at 08:34 AM »
Just read a news article that Toshiba has licensed HD-DVD technology to a number of CHinese manufactuers to make low-cost HD-DVD players.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/20/business/dvd.php

This is in direct contrast to SONY and Matsus**ta's snooty attitude against licensing their Blu-ray technologies to Chinese makers as this could undercut their profits and R&D investments.  My hats off to Toshiba for doing the right thing and not following the business line.  For sure, making HD-DVD players in large numbers the way China did for DVD will bring down the player cost to mass market levels and thus ensure the format's faster acceptance to a larger market segment.  This will certainly undercut Toshiba's R&D inveestment and compete with their own products but in the long run, with a larger market share, Toshiba's HD-DVD format should win out.

Unless SONY catches up and does the same, I hazard to opine that with this move from Tosh, the War just ended. 

This format war is really a marketing war, not a product technology war.  It reminds me that the Betamax was said to be a superior product technically but lost out to VHS because the latter was able to satisfy the market with 2-hour movies faster and in droves.  Now, SONY is about to repeat history by losing sight of the fact that this is not about technology.  It is about satisfying the market and giving value for the price they pay.   It is plain that both formats can deliver the pic and sound quality for high definition video and sound.  It is now all about allowing as much of the market to benefit from that technology.  At a price the majority can afford and reasonable for them to replace their DVD collection with, if at all. 

Sony is already well versed regarding format wars. Thats why they bought out some of the movie studios so they can get their hands on the software needed. You cannot blame some of the manufacturers for being protective over their investment. After spending billions, you do expect to get a windfall.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #196 on: Sep 05, 2006 at 08:55 AM »
True,  And that's what puts Toshiba and the HD-DVD camp at a higher moral level in my eyes.  Their move to license the Chnese to put out low cost HD-DVD players defies typical business prudence in favour of the consumer. 

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #197 on: Sep 05, 2006 at 08:58 AM »
Sony is already well versed regarding format wars. Thats why they bought out some of the movie studios so they can get their hands on the software needed. You cannot blame some of the manufacturers for being protective over their investment. After spending billions, you do expect to get a windfall.
I guess we can say that coz Sony is 0-1 when it comes to format wars..... :)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #198 on: Sep 06, 2006 at 09:11 AM »
We can give credit to Sony and Philips for the CD though.
They both invented CD 25 years ago.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #199 on: Sep 06, 2006 at 11:12 AM »
upcoming Bluray titles all with Lossless dts ;)

 some details that caught my attention :)
-Kingdom Of Heaven (Director's Cut): To accommodate the full 3 hour and 42 minute run time of Ridley Scott's Director's cut version of his epic masterpiece is one of the industry's first dual-layer BD releases and is authored in HDMV presented with DTS HD Lossless Master Audio.
 -The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: One of the industry's most advanced BD releases, it is authored in BD-J with DTS HD Lossless Master Audio and AVC (MPEG 4 compression) and includes commentaries by the cast and crew, a unique search index which allows the viewer to sort scenes from the movie into 72 categories ranging from actor (e.g., Shane West, Sean Connery) to character (e.g., Allan Quarterman, Agent Tom Sawyer) to locations (e.g., Paris, Venice), among others. Additional features include an interactive first person shooter game boasting 12 unique play modes, up to 99 bookmarks, an animated pop-up trivia track, and HD trailers of upcoming BD releases.


 Hoping that Pioneer will come up with the universal hd player ;D parang dvd-audio/sacd lang yan e ;)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #200 on: Sep 06, 2006 at 11:41 AM »
umiinit na nga ang labanan na ito.....

heto medyo humahabol na ang Blu Ray in terms of number of titles released

Blu-ray Closing the Gap with HD DVD?

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #201 on: Sep 06, 2006 at 12:02 PM »
BD is still using the older MPEG4 AVC which accdg to many forums is inferior to the VC-1 codec used in HD-DVD.  Sony will most likely insist on the MPEG4 because VC-1 is a Microsoft product and MS is allied to HD-DVD.  Although Warner will release in VC-1 for boths its HD-DVD and BD titles.   Makes economic and business sense,  you only need to produce one master for both formats.   ;D

There has been a miss-call from the pioneer camp saying it never said it will release hybrid players to play both formats.  False alert here.  So the war continues.  As they say, bring it on.   ;D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #202 on: Sep 06, 2006 at 12:37 PM »
older? but not inferior  to some who works with both ;)
A simple question: which is the best codec for the HD, H264 or VC1 (WMV9)?

"The answer is much less. Then to try to see there a little more clearly, I went to see in turn, people of APPLE who presented QuickTime 7, idem at Microsoft for the VC1 and to finish, the various partners present on the stand of the AVC Alliance (which gathers 46 editors and manufacturers).

At APPLE, one says to me: H264 gives a better quality of image than the VC1 for the same flow, or a result identical for 10 to 20 % less flow. For them, the true advantage of H264 is that it bénificit very many development tools and software compatible with QuickTime, additional H264 being only one codec.

At Microsoft, the answer is: the VC1 is very powerful (not comparison with QT7) and of very many development tools exist. When I asked them the question of compatibility with Mac, they returned me illico worms of the third solutions, Compression Master from Popwire and Flip4Mac from Telestream.

After these two visits, I was not gifts not much more advanced: - (

On the other hand, on the stand of the AVC Alliance, everyone agreed on these 2 points:

- H264 compresses indeed better than the VC1, but requires also more power CPU for decoding.
- H264 is supported by very many editors and manufacturers, of which 46 are members of the AVC Alliance whereas format WMV9 - VC1 is much more "owner"

But the true answer is this one: The choice between H264 and VC1 (WMV-9) is not technical, but political. The editors who are close to Microsoft will tend to propose the VC1 initially, but nothing will prevent them from being also compatible with H264. The question of the DRM is also important for the choice of one or the other of the formats, H264 does not have yet a system of compatible DRM, whereas Microsoft proposes its own DRM with those which wishes it... but it is not free...; -)"[
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but then again... to see is to believe! ;D
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« Reply #203 on: Sep 06, 2006 at 01:05 PM »
My bad, MPEG2 not MPEG4.  The launch BD titles used MPEG2 which ate more disc space and was obviously inferior to the VC-1 used by HD-DVD launch discs.  Sony will definitely insist on the MPEG4 while the other camp will use VC-1.  But Warner will use VC-1 for both its HD-DVD and BD releases.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #204 on: Sep 06, 2006 at 02:25 PM »
the war is still on alright!  this just in...(quote from bbcnews)..."Hollywood giant Twentieth Century Fox gave Blu-ray a boost by announcing plans to release films for that format only."

"We have no plans to release on HD-DVD.  Consumer-wise Blu-ray is the best proposition," said Mike Dunn, global president of home entertainment for the studio.

Time Warner also announced plans to release films on Blu-ray, Reuters reported.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #205 on: Sep 06, 2006 at 02:59 PM »
Hi av_phile.

I have read read from the net (specifically from ign posters) that Blu Ray is also capable of VC1 codec and will soon start to use it.

Kinda confuse me though why they are not implementing it on current blu ray releases.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #206 on: Sep 06, 2006 at 04:55 PM »
True.  That's why I said Warner will be releasing their HD-DVD and BD discs in VC-1.  It's just that Sony and its Columbia/TriStar outfit I heard are not disposed to it.  But no prblem with the player decoding VC-1.  Eventually, if they see how efficient VC-1 is, they could start using it.  But that can be interpreted as short of surrendering to the Microsoft camp.  ;D  So they could be using MPEG4 AVC instead, which I heard eats more disc space than VC-1 for the same material.  But even that should be no problem, BD is supposed to have more disc capacity anyway. 
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #207 on: Sep 06, 2006 at 05:21 PM »
Pioneer has no current plans for HD-DVD/Blu-ray drives :'( :'(

On September first, we reported, along with many other websites, that Pioneer would provide hybrid, Blu-ray/HD-DVD blue laser drives, in the near future. This was of course very exciting news, however, sadly, it has turned out to be false.

We have received a mail this morning from a representative of Pioneer, he has told us stories originating during this years IFA in Berlin, were incorrect and do not reflect their current plans. The Pioneer representative, stated to CD Freaks that his standard response to this question: "Does Pioneer have any plans to support HD DVD?"  is as follows:

"Currently we have no plans to do so..... however, Pioneer will monitor the market situation with other formats and will "consider" to adopt those formats as and where the market is demanding it".

He went on to say that his comments to some press people at IFA have been taken totally out of context and that it has been concluded by themselves that Pioneer would be introducing HD DVD support into their 3rd generation BD writer model.

Pioneer has clarified the statement further by saying this..... "Currently we have no plans to do so....."  :-\ :-\

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #208 on: Sep 06, 2006 at 06:26 PM »
Read this too in another forum,  Seems they were earlier misquoted.  It's just a matter of time though.  Multi laser pick-ups shouldn't be difficult to make. If not pioneer, there are others.  ;D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #209 on: Sep 06, 2006 at 06:44 PM »
More bad news for Sony... :-\ :-\

PlayStation 3 Euro launch delayed

The launch of Sony's long-awaited PlayStation 3 games console in Europe has been delayed until March 2007.

Ken Kutaragi, head of Sony's global computer entertainment division, said the machine would still be launched in November in the US and in Japan.

Mr Kutaragi blamed the European delay on problems in mass producing elements of the high-definition Blu-ray disc drives in the machines.

Sony said it still aimed to ship six million new PlayStations by March.

But it halved its forecast for the end of 2006, saying just two million units would be shipped worldwide before the end of December.

Production problems meant that fewer machines than anticipated would be available for the launch in Japan and the US, Mr Kutaragi said.
 
Speaking at Sony's global headquarters in Tokyo, Mr Kutaragi apologised for the delays to the PlayStation 3 launch.

But he said Sony had decided to focus on the US and Japan in the run-up to Christmas.

"I am so sorry not to be able to answer all the expectations," he said.

Christmas disappointment

The delay means Microsoft's Xbox 360, which was launched last year, will enjoy another Christmas without facing a challenge from Sony in Europe.

Nintendo's Wii console is also scheduled for a worldwide release this autumn, although no firm date has been set.

Ray Maguire, senior vice president and managing director of Sony UK, said: "We are extremely disappointed at news of this delay, and can truly empathise with everyone who was looking forward to PS3's imminent release.

"We will however be working tirelessly to ensure that the March 2007 launch, is the biggest and best in the company's history."

On Wednesday Sony began introducing UK retailers to the new games console.

Some were hoping to begin taking pre-orders for the console from the middle of September.

Tim Ellis, head of games for HMV, said the delay was a disappointment for gamers and for retailers, who had been waiting for the launch for much of 2006.

"It also presents a major opportunity to Microsoft to consolidate Xbox's position in the market, while Nintendo have a great chance to launch and firmly establish Wii," Mr Ellis added.
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