Author Topic: The War Begins... (Read 106970 times)

john5479 · « **Reply #630 on:** Jan 11, 2007 at 05:10 PM »

i'll be definitely getting this title especially if its in dolby truehd

edit: i hope they can add dolby truehd....

pchin · « **Reply #631 on:** Jan 11, 2007 at 05:45 PM »

'Happy Feet' will certainly look nice in HD!

But the price at $39.95 for the HD DVD/DVD combo??

I dislike those combo cos it's adding the cost up :'(

Again no Dolby Digital-Plus nor Dolby TrueHD track on the HD DVD version? Warner Home Video is bias again

Mouldingo · « **Reply #632 on:** Jan 11, 2007 at 06:04 PM »

Quote from: pchin on Jan 11, 2007 at 05:45 PM

But the price at $39.95 for the HD DVD/DVD combo?? I dislike those combo cos it's adding the cost up :'(

The DVD version cost $28.98

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=61713.new#new

Phobos · « **Reply #633 on:** Jan 12, 2007 at 01:57 PM »

The porn industry prefers HD-DVD

pchin · « **Reply #634 on:** Jan 12, 2007 at 04:24 PM »

Quote from: Mouldingo on Jan 11, 2007 at 06:04 PM

The DVD version cost $28.98

Hopefully, Amazon offers good discount.

Mouldingo · « **Reply #635 on:** Jan 13, 2007 at 05:55 PM »

Debbie does Blu-ray and HD DVD

Vivid Entertainment will release its first adult film on Blu-ray and HD-DVD in late March or early April, TVPredictions.com has learned.

The first release will be Debbie Does Dallas... Again, a remake of the classic Debbie Does Dallas. The film stars Stefani Morgan as Debbie and is directed by Paul Thomas.

OMFG

Is she wearing anything under that!?!

pchin · « **Reply #636 on:** Jan 13, 2007 at 09:36 PM »

oh..

Now that is certainly a great boost to the HD experience...

av_phile1 · « **Reply #637 on:** Jan 15, 2007 at 04:33 PM »

I wonder how many legit porn DVD titles members here have compared with their mainstream DVD titles.

Battousai · « **Reply #638 on:** Jan 15, 2007 at 05:56 PM »

Used to have about 10 orig porn DVDs, pero na-request na ng mga clients ko kaya bigay na lang sa kanila. Iniwan ko lang yung favorite kong Barely Legal#1.

I do hope the porn industry really take advantage of the new format's huge space and make multi-angle (oh you know what they're there for) feautres a standard special feature in every release. Probabley a little expensive to make, but I think Vivid, Hustler and Wicked can make it happen.

av_phile1 · « **Reply #639 on:** Jan 15, 2007 at 07:18 PM »

It would also being interesting to have a "making of" porn featurette with more of the same.

Or a featurette on porn "auditions"

Though I still have to wonder what lossless 5.1 surround sound will do for the oooohs and aaahhs or whether the subwoofer would have some activity.

pchin · « **Reply #640 on:** Jan 15, 2007 at 09:48 PM »

Hehe I can't imagine that & would love to find out...

Munskie · « **Reply #641 on:** Jan 15, 2007 at 10:01 PM »

Dont you think guys, the effect of porn in this format war isnt that huge, compared to the beta-vhs days...coz of all the downloadable porn on the net?

barrister · « **Reply #642 on:** Jan 15, 2007 at 10:25 PM »

Quote from: Phobos on Jan 12, 2007 at 01:57 PM

The porn industry prefers HD-DVD

The article linked above states:

Quite famously in the war between Betamax and VHS the latter won especially because the adult industry preferred it.

We read about this viewpoint all the time, but I'm hardly convinced. Yes, VHS won, but it sure would be difficult to prove that it was the porn industry that caused it. Which came first? Did VHS win because the porn industry preferred it, or did the porn industry prefer VHS because VHS had already won?

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In high def video, it seems that the porn industry is siding with HD-DVD not because they prefer it, but because they have no choice. Tech news reports have it that Sony has recently prohibited licensees from replicating porn on Blu ray equipment, and are threatening license revocation if they fail to comply.

The Inquirer's Charlie Demerjian writes:

Could it get worse? Most companies officially hate porn but love the money it brings in, so they give it tons of support behind the scenes. Not Sony. It is swinging the other way and going after anyone who replicates porn on Blu equipment. If you do, your licence gets pulled, basically putting you out of that business.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36942

Quote from: Mouldingo on Jan 13, 2007 at 05:55 PM

Debbie does Blu-ray and HD DVD ...

... Vivid Entertainment will release its first adult film on Blu-ray and HD-DVD in late March or early April, TVPredictions.com has learned.

The first release will be Debbie Does Dallas... Again, a remake of the classic Debbie Does Dallas. The film stars Stefani Morgan as Debbie and is directed by Paul Thomas.

On Debbie Does Dallas Again, Demerjian states:

This makes me believe that Vivid, the one company that is still promising a Blu-ray title won't get very far with it. It may just not be aware of the wall they are about to hit, or it may have a backdoor. One person in the booth said that it was a done deal and the disks were coming out. There was no spokesperson available for official comments however, but there were banners with the Blu-Ray logo on them in the booth. I guess we will see when Debbie Does Dallas Again comes out.

Demerjian raises a good point here:

One big problem with this is not pornography, but your rights. If Sony says no to content it doesn't like, and ends up winning the market, what if someone has content that Sony finds unsavoury for reasons relating to finance or other things? Got a documentary that is critical of Sony's chairman? It presumably can block it or revoke the keys. This is a hugely dangerous slippery slope we are on.

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Related article:

Blu-Ray Says No Way to Porn; HD-DVD Becomes Sloppy Seconds
Written by Kaonashi
Published January 13, 2007

xxx

According to There Joone, Digital Playground's founder, and adult movie director, last year he had an agreement with Sony to start publishing his movies on Blu-Ray. However, the tech giant seemed to have a change of heart. The U.S. Blu-Ray Disc copying facilities refused to work with him. In fact, according to Joone, the companies explained that Sony had threatened to revoke their Blu-Ray licenses should they publish adult content in Blu-Ray format.

xxx

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/01/13/155907.php

Kratos · « **Reply #643 on:** Jan 16, 2007 at 01:04 PM »

Quote

In high def video, it seems that the porn industry is siding with HD-DVD not because they prefer it, but because they have no choice. Tech news reports have it that Sony has recently prohibited licensees from replicating porn on Blu ray equipment, and are threatening license revocation if they fail to comply.

Big boooo!!!

av_phile1 · « **Reply #644 on:** Jan 16, 2007 at 08:04 PM »

Quote from: Munskie on Jan 15, 2007 at 10:01 PM

Dont you think guys, the effect of porn in this format war isnt that huge, compared to the beta-vhs days...coz of all the downloadable porn on the net?

True, that's why I earlier asked, how many of you guys have legit porn DVD in your mainstream DVD collection? That should be an indicator of things to come with HD porn.

Battousai · « **Reply #645 on:** Jan 16, 2007 at 08:57 PM »

HD porn sites are, allegedly, the next stage of evolution in online porn. I think it would be a big mistake for Sony not to dip in the moolah which the porn industry makes.

No more "Taboo, the complete series" in one Blu-Ray disc?

av_phile1 · « **Reply #646 on:** Jan 16, 2007 at 09:24 PM »

While I have some doubts on the impact of porn on the outcome of the format war, I must say one really shouldn't dismiss a $30B porn video market worldwide - even bigger than some mainstream film studios. (OTH, internet porn is only a $2B market worldwide.) Anyone is free to check my figures. While Sony decision makers might win some points going to heaven in the afterlife, I don't think snobbng porn for their format will win them points in the format war in this life.

Battousai · « **Reply #647 on:** Jan 16, 2007 at 09:54 PM »

It's Sony's loss. Just don't understand why they wont support porn, since Japan's got a nice adult industry market.

pchin · « **Reply #648 on:** Jan 16, 2007 at 10:37 PM »

Poor SONY...it's under heat again for refusing the porn industry

barrid · « **Reply #649 on:** Jan 17, 2007 at 04:44 AM »

Vivid

SA PQ pa lang bagsak na sila para sa akin. Gagawin pa nilang HD??? But as far as Jap is concern. Pasado!!!

Mouldingo · « **Reply #650 on:** Jan 17, 2007 at 07:33 AM »

Blu-ray Refutes Claims of Porn Ban; Vivid Plans First High-Def Release

The Blu-ray Disc Association is speaking out against charges that the org is shunning adult video distributors from releasing content on Blu-ray.

As we reported last week, the co-founder of porn distributor Digital Playground says that his company was forced to change HD allegiances after "all Blu-ray Disc copying facilities in the United States had refused to cooperate." He went on to allege that primary Blu-ray backer Sony "wants me to publish my films on HD DVD."

Without responding directly to Digital Playground's claims, Marty Gordon, vicechair of the Blu-ray Disc Association US Promotions Committee emphasized in a statement to Ars Technica that the Sony-backed organization is committed to working with "all" content providers.

"The BDA welcomes the participation of all companies interested in using and supporting the format, particularly those from the content industry," said the BDA's Gordon. "We look forward to working with any content providers interested in providing their audience with [the] best possible high definition home entertainment experience."

And indeed, as recently as last Friday, plans appeared to still be on the table for a Blu-ray (and HD DVD) release of 'Debbie Does Dallas... Again,' the first film from industry giant Vivid Entertainment to be released on high-def. (We first reported on Vivid's plans to support both high-def formats last October.)

Analysts say that the pornography industry, which generates an estimated $57 billion in annual revenue worldwide, could play an influential role in increasing high-def adaption rates and -- especially if forced to choose sides -- could help determine an ultimate victor in the high-def format wars.

Mouldingo · « **Reply #651 on:** Jan 17, 2007 at 07:36 AM »

Debbie Does Blu-ray & HD-DVD

Washington, D.C. (January 12, 2007) -- Vivid Entertainment will release its first adult film on Blu-ray and HD-DVD in late March or early April, TVPredictions.com has learned.

The first release will be Debbie Does Dallas... Again, a remake of the classic Debbie Does Dallas. The film stars Stefani Morgan as Debbie and is directed by Paul Thomas.

Vivid, which generates $100 million in sales annually, told TVPredictions.com last November that it would release its debut HDTV DVD on Blu-ray first and HD-DVD later.

"As of now, it (the first release) will just be Blu-ray," said Vivid CEO Steve Hirsch. "But that's not to say we won't release it in HD-DVD later. Blu-ray seems to have the momentum. But we're not in the business of picking winners. We will produce content for all formats."

But a Vivid spokeswoman today said Debbie Does Dallas...Again will be released in both formats on the same day.

Asked if that reflected a change in position, the spokeswoman said: "I don't know about that. We've been talking only about releasing in both formats starting with Debbie."

Battousai · « **Reply #652 on:** Jan 17, 2007 at 09:27 AM »

Sony must'v shat on their pants when a lot of negative reactions from the public to their alleged ban of porn via Blu-Ray. If they are allowing porn on BD, then that's welcome news for porn fans.

dobler · « **Reply #653 on:** Jan 17, 2007 at 09:44 PM »

Yet another take on the adult entertainment industry's influence:

CES 2007: HD DVD versus Blu-ray - The porn industry says HD DVD
By Aaron McKenna
Published Thursday 11th January 2007 12:39 GMT
http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/11/ces2007_hddvd_blu_ray/

Las Vegas (NV) - Knowing their audience quite well, the adult entertainment industry holds their annual get together in Las Vegas to coincide with the CES. There is also a very pertinent crossover between the adult and tech industries - porn has a tendency to drive, and be driven, by technology. Which means HD DVD when it comes to high-def.

Quite famously in the war between Betamax and VHS the latter won especially because the adult industry preferred it. If you've been around long enough, you probably remember that the very early home video rental stores were primarily responsible for driving Betamax out of the market. And those stores carried almost exclusively pornographic content.

Although the market environments from then do not really compare to today's home video market, parallels are drawn between the Betamax-VHS battle to the ongoing and escalating fight between Blu-ray and HD DVD. One of the key questions at this year's CES actually is "Which high-def format will win the current format war - Blu-ray or HD DVD?" Surprisingly, it seems that there is no such question in the minds of the adult industry luminaries.

Putting myself through the arduous trek through the floor of the adult expo I did a quick straw poll on, the virtues of HD DVD versus Blu-ray, and the answer from a dozen companies, big and small, including Pink Visual and Bangbros editor-in-chief, is going into a single direction: HD DVD is the preferred format. Period.

One of the big problems they have with Blu-ray is its expense, followed by its market share. "Blu-ray has superior quality, yes," said a spokesperson for porn studio Bangbros, "but HD DVD is easier to produce, cheaper to produce and there are more HD DVD players in homes than there are Blu-ray players, for example in the Xbox 360."

Pink Visual heavily complained about the fact that Blu-ray discs cannot be replicated and a range of other studios, who did not want to be mentioned by name indicated that the cost of going with Blu-ray cancels the technology as a possible HD solution for this industry. "Only bigger studios can afford Blu-ray, and even then it's not economical," we were told.

It would seem that either Blu-ray has to do some catching up very quickly. But we got the strange feeling that HD DVD has won the format war already, at least in the porn industry.

pchin · « **Reply #654 on:** Jan 17, 2007 at 11:28 PM »

Statistic released from DVD Empire on the HD WAR

Percentage of total Hi-Def sales:

HD-DVD:
Week:42.30%
Month:43.57%
Year: 59.16%

Titles:190
Studios: 16

Blu-ray:
Week:57.70%
Month: 56.43%
Year: 40.84%

Titles:203
Studios:15

Battousai · « **Reply #655 on:** Jan 17, 2007 at 11:51 PM »

Yeah, I better ask one of my clients attending the Vegas adult wbmaster chuva if he has anything new on porn's format of choice.

iampoch · « **Reply #656 on:** Jan 19, 2007 at 01:22 PM »

Misconception:

Sony aren't against the porn industry per se (or at least not alone), BDA are. Sony alone cannot dictate the direction of BluRay, the Board of Directors of BDA does that. The most vocal antagonist of the pron industry is Walt Disney, which is quite understandable. Disney and Sony are part of the Board of Directors, btw.

Second, the porn industry has never been a make or break of a format war as far as I know. Beta did not succumb to VHS because of the proliferation of porn. It's because of 1) JVC's more open standard vs Sony's closed one and 2) the fact that VHS can encode 3 hours of quality content vs Betamax's 1 hour. Betamax's higher quality had been adopted by media-based businesses like the news industry, etc. while the VHS standard was almost exclusively for consumer use.

Case in point: not everyone watches porn and except in R@ygold episodes, I've never seen or known families bond together watching porn

So while sales of porn may be staggering, that industry is not mainstream and hence do NOT play a determining factor in any format war. I mean if I were a dad, I won't say "hey, HD DVD has porn! my kids will love this! I'm buying this over BluRay!"

BTW, may nagkwento lang sa akin about the R@ygold flicks

john5479 · « **Reply #657 on:** Jan 19, 2007 at 02:02 PM »

sony while a big proponent of blu ray will not be the only one to suffer if blu ray fails, its the whole blu ray group

av_phile1 · « **Reply #658 on:** Jan 19, 2007 at 04:01 PM »

Quote from: john5479 on Jan 19, 2007 at 02:02 PM

sony while a big proponent of blu ray will not be the only one to suffer if blu ray fails, its the whole blu ray group

I would think that if there's anyone BDA member who stands to gain or lose the most from this format war, it would be SONY.

dobler · « **Reply #659 on:** Jan 19, 2007 at 10:58 PM »

Quote from: av_phile1 on Jan 19, 2007 at 04:01 PM

I would think that if there's anyone BDA member who stands to gain or lose the most from this format war, it would be SONY.

Sony has a lot riding on Blu Ray and the PS3. The company's consumer electronic division has only been profitable once in the last five years. We just have to wait and see what eventually happens...