Author Topic: What do Bluray Players have that the PS3 doesn't have??? (Read 14256 times)

byron · « **on:** Jan 29, 2008 at 03:30 PM »

Hi,
My friends have been convincing me to just buy a PS3 as it can do a number of things: games, play bluray and dvd disks, HD output, etc... Also, one of the biggest factors is PRICE. A PS3 is about the same or EVEN CHEAPER than that of commercial bluray players avialable in the market today.

now my question to you guys is...

WHAT DO THESE BLURAY PLAYERS HAVE THAT THE PS3 DOES NOT HAVE FOR THEM TO COMMAND A HIGH PRICE???

JT · « **Reply #1 on:** Jan 29, 2008 at 04:28 PM »

Taken from another forum ...

Quote from: Doggie Howser on Jan 09, 2008 at 02:46 PM

From BR playback perspective...

PS3
- generally loads faster
- more stable
- Profile 1.1 compliance

Samsung
- really ideal for guys with HDMI 1.3 receivers and want a way to listen to DTS HD MA/HR soundtracks
- runs cooler and quieter

Frankly, the only way to get DTS HD MA/HR soundtracks today at this kind of budget is what made a lot of us (most of whom ALREADY own PS3s!) switch to the Samsung

especially comes to TrueHD Stero and Bitstream Multichn.

BluRay discs come with a variety of soundtracks
Uncompressed/Lossless Audio
a. multichannel uncompressed 5.1 (or higher) soundtracks
b. multichannel Dolby TrueHD soundtracks
c. multichannel DTS HD MA soundtracks

HD Audio (lossy)
i. multichannel Dolby Digital Plus soundtracks
ii. multichannel DTS HD HR soundtracks

Regular Audio (lossy)
i. Dolby Digital
ii. DTS aka DTS Core aka DTS Encore

Basically, if you have an HDMI connection to yr receiver, the PS3 can decode pretty much all the soundtracks.

Except c and ii.

Now this would be fine, if the movie contains say:
a. Dolby True HD or uncompressed PCM and
b. DTS HD MA soundtrack

So even if I can't listen to the HD MA soundtrack, I could still get option a. which would be just as good.

Unfortunately, FOX decided to release all their movies with only DTS HD MA as the uncompressed audio option. If you don't have a way to decode DTS MA, all you get is the embedded DTS Core (lossy) or Dolby Digital

Either way, shortchanging us on the full HD video and audio experience.

That's what it feels like on the PS3.

If you don't buy Fox titles, or you don't have a compatible HDMI 1.3 receiver to decode DTS HD MA, then the Samsung is no better than the PS3 in that respect.

byron · « **Reply #2 on:** Jan 29, 2008 at 06:52 PM »

Thanks JT. this sure answered a lot of my questions...

so bottom line is... all I need is a PS3 right? this about answers almost all of the needs that we have to play blu ray.

by the way, would you know if the PS3 is already HDMI 1.3?

thanks!

pchin · « **Reply #3 on:** Jan 29, 2008 at 10:32 PM »

Quote from: byron on Jan 29, 2008 at 06:52 PM

so bottom line is... all I need is a PS3 right?

by the way, would you know if the PS3 is already HDMI 1.3?

1. Depends on what you want. If just for basic playing games or watching Blu-ray movies, etc then PS3 is certainly a cheaper option.

2. Yes, PS3 is using HDMI 1.3

Ctlim · « **Reply #4 on:** Jan 29, 2008 at 11:07 PM »

follow up question, can a fimware upgrade sometime in the future for the ps3 allow for it to output those sound formats?

is it possible? or is the answer "no its impossible"?

darkwing · « **Reply #5 on:** Jan 30, 2008 at 04:53 PM »

it maybe possible pero i think Sony might be concentrating more na on PS3 games especially this year, pero they already said they will update the PS3 to be BD2.0

pchin · « **Reply #6 on:** Jan 30, 2008 at 06:11 PM »

Quote from: ctlim76 on Jan 29, 2008 at 11:07 PM

is it possible? or is the answer "no its impossible"?

I presume you're referring to the lossless DTS MA. Any answer at this stage is totally speculative as SONY is completely silent about it while some members from other forums (impatiently) openned up the whole PS3 & inspected the chip/processor inside the console. They claim PS3 hardware is incapable of outputting DTS MA (internal decoding) nor outputting it as bit stream tru firmware upgrade.

byron · « **Reply #7 on:** Feb 01, 2008 at 03:25 PM »

WOW PCHIN... they disected a PS3 to know the answer to this? wow hehe...

Anyways, would you know how much a PS3 80GB costs today? I think SRP is still 30T right?

thanks!

Quote from: pchin on Jan 30, 2008 at 06:11 PM

I presume you're referring to the lossless DTS MA. Any answer at this stage is totally speculative as SONY is completely silent about it while some members from other forums (impatiently) openned up the whole PS3 & inspected the chip/processor inside the console. They claim PS3 hardware is incapable of outputting DTS MA (internal decoding) nor outputting it as bit stream tru firmware upgrade.

Ctlim · « **Reply #8 on:** Feb 01, 2008 at 09:03 PM »

its around 26k.

oh well, until we hear it from Sony then I guess its ok to hope...

byron · « **Reply #9 on:** Feb 04, 2008 at 05:49 PM »

Hi,
I heard from a friend that the hard disk inside the PS3 can be "upgraded" even up to 500GB without spoiling the warranty? Any comments or views? Anong disks ang pwede impampalit and how much kaya?

thanks!

Quote from: ctlim on Feb 01, 2008 at 09:03 PM

its around 26k.

oh well, until we hear it from Sony then I guess its ok to hope...

jeyps11_c · « **Reply #10 on:** Feb 04, 2008 at 07:56 PM »

Baka any 5.2 HDD can work on the PS3. If not it'll be the 2.5" (laptop) HDD.
These hard rives are cheaper now, 120GB (2.5", which is more expensive of the 2) is around 4K or less.
This is another "plus" for the PS3 (on the gaming end) that you can increase the HDD.

byron · « **Reply #11 on:** Feb 04, 2008 at 08:44 PM »

what will the big Hard Disks be for pala? i haven't encountered the PS3 pa kase... can the ps3 games be stored in there ba? sorry for the 101 question...

thanks!

Quote from: jeyps11_c on Feb 04, 2008 at 07:56 PM

Baka any 5.2 HDD can work on the PS3. If not it'll be the 2.5" (laptop) HDD.
These hard rives are cheaper now, 120GB (2.5", which is more expensive of the 2) is around 4K or less.
This is another "plus" for the PS3 (on the gaming end) that you can increase the HDD.

alvinthx2 · « **Reply #12 on:** Feb 06, 2008 at 02:57 PM »

Quote from: pchin on Jan 30, 2008 at 06:11 PM

I presume you're referring to the lossless DTS MA. Any answer at this stage is totally speculative as SONY is completely silent about it while some members from other forums (impatiently) openned up the whole PS3 & inspected the chip/processor inside the console. They claim PS3 hardware is incapable of outputting DTS MA (internal decoding) nor outputting it as bit stream tru firmware upgrade.

Nothing about this is definite, but I believe the PS3 can output DTS-MA in the future. Given its powerful Cell processors, it has the horsepower to do the necessary decoding. PowerDVD ultra(HTPC application software) is capable of decoding DTS-MA and its just a playback software. stand alone Blurry players need a dedicated chip to decode the format.

pchin · « **Reply #13 on:** Feb 06, 2008 at 07:55 PM »

Quote from: alvinthx2 on Feb 06, 2008 at 02:57 PM

but I believe the PS3 can output DTS-MA in the future. Given its powerful Cell processors, it has the horsepower to do the necessary decoding....

Pls pls let it comes true soon cos we are desperate na to experience DTS MA! All my Fox tittles are gathering dust na...

don · « **Reply #14 on:** Feb 16, 2008 at 12:26 PM »

i am also torn between ps3 and a standalone player.. i still have 1.5 months to decide though hehehe.

i think one of the features i want on a bluray player that is not avaiable on the ps3 is the analog outputs to support old receivers without HDMI... My yammie 1600 is still doing great but it doesn't have a HDMI

darkwing · « **Reply #15 on:** Feb 16, 2008 at 06:46 PM »

another thing to consider is that Bluetooth ang remote niya so if you have an universal IR remote controller hinde siya magamit, also you have to navigate in the XMB to play your BD, unless you turn off your Autostart option

wilson · « **Reply #16 on:** Feb 21, 2008 at 06:56 AM »

Fruity fanbois saying the PS3 is da best!

barrid · « **Reply #17 on:** Feb 21, 2008 at 10:02 AM »

less power consumption.

golti · « **Reply #18 on:** Feb 22, 2008 at 07:07 PM »

Quote from: byron on Feb 04, 2008 at 08:44 PM

what will the big Hard Disks be for pala? i haven't encountered the PS3 pa kase... can the ps3 games be stored in there ba? sorry for the 101 question...

thanks!

game saves, downloads (movie and BD trailers/ game demos/ downloadable full games at a price ofcourse), music, photos.... it would be good if you had wifi and an HDTV this would maximize ur ps3 experience

Marl☆1 · « **Reply #19 on:** Feb 22, 2008 at 11:45 PM »

Hi guys, am a happy PS3 owner which I only use for BD movies (am not that much into gaming). At the back of my head though, I am still cautious about the 'wear & tear' of doing marathon BD movies. I have been 'minimizing' the lens usage given the feedback in the other threads that the lens does give way after awhile. Sure it costs only around P4k to have it replaced but am thinking, wouldn't a dedicated BD player be more robust cause it's built to play movies? Haven't heard of any lens replacement issues with dedicated BD players vs. PS3 testimonials wherein they have already replaced the lens after much use. Am trying to think this through myself, any feedback or suggestions are welcome. Many thanks!

athos45 · « **Reply #20 on:** Feb 23, 2008 at 12:36 AM »

^same concern ako dito.

barrid · « **Reply #21 on:** Feb 23, 2008 at 04:23 AM »

Maybe, just maybe... The drive installed in PS3 is not as durable than the stand alone. imagine a gaming/blu ray player is cheaper than a stand alone. Why?

odyopayl · « **Reply #22 on:** Feb 25, 2008 at 12:43 PM »

It's time to buy dedicated Blu Ray player. Sony Player (BDPS300) cost US$ 399.00 (Best Buy)here around Php 16K what more can we ask??

demmet · « **Reply #23 on:** Feb 25, 2008 at 12:58 PM »

Quote from: barrid on Feb 23, 2008 at 04:23 AM

Maybe, just maybe... The drive installed in PS3 is not as durable than the stand alone. imagine a gaming/blu ray player is cheaper than a stand alone. Why?

its true... my lense died today..middle of a deathmatch in COD4..it frozed!..time to go to the store tommorow...for a replacement..

Marl☆1 · « **Reply #24 on:** Feb 27, 2008 at 01:41 PM »

Quote from: demmet on Feb 25, 2008 at 12:58 PM

its true... my lense died today..middle of a deathmatch in COD4..it frozed!..time to go to the store tommorow...for a replacement..

Hmmm... scary thought - what if the PS3 lens gives way due to too much movie abuse?

I read in a separate thread that the lens is really the weakness of the PS3, some testimonials logged in.

Am still not sure on the consensus of the group though

Is it sound advice to just get an independent BD player to 'lower' the movie playtime on the PS3?

darkwing · « **Reply #25 on:** Feb 27, 2008 at 02:42 PM »

well i've been using my PS3 as a movie player, worldwide 3% daw ang failure rate ng PS3 same ng Wii, but i would think mas easier on the lens ang movies dahil sequential naman ang reading sa disk? unlike a game hehehe

athos45 · « **Reply #26 on:** Feb 27, 2008 at 09:52 PM »

Quote from: darkwing on Feb 27, 2008 at 02:42 PM

well i've been using my PS3 as a movie player, worldwide 3% daw ang failure rate ng PS3 same ng Wii, but i would think mas easier on the lens ang movies dahil sequential naman ang reading sa disk? unlike a game hehehe

maybe, but the BluRay Lens never rests when watching dvd movies is what I'm worried about. Unlike in a game it may rest after the environment is loaded.

remember the PSone, and PS2? The lens was its weakest link.

darkwing · « **Reply #27 on:** Feb 27, 2008 at 09:57 PM »

good point, in the long run though i'm going to get another BD player

jrcrunch · « **Reply #28 on:** Mar 13, 2008 at 02:00 PM »

Quote from: demmet on Feb 25, 2008 at 12:58 PM

its true... my lense died today..middle of a deathmatch in COD4..it frozed!..time to go to the store tommorow...for a replacement..

That's scary!

im planning to get a ps3 now as my bluray player until gran turismo 5 comes along. What version of ps3 did you get? im planning to get the 40gb ps3.

MAtZTER · « **Reply #29 on:** Mar 13, 2008 at 03:48 PM »

I was contemplating on a BD player but someone said that PS3 is better. But after learning here about the lens and from another member that it cant let your receiver decode the new formats... I think I will consider the dedicated player more.

I will be borrowing a Samsung 1400 tonight.