Author Topic: WD TV HD Media Player (Read 182441 times)

jinx999 · « **Reply #420 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 07:42 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Jan 15, 2009 at 02:13 AM

Tama yan.

Kung ang gusto mong files ay 1080p, Popcorn talaga ang maganda.

Sir Barrister, what do you mean by this statement? Di ba nakakaplay naman ng 1080p files ang WD? Are you saying that PCH is better at playing 1080p files than WD? mabagal ba sa WD or di talaga kaya? I do understand the difference between WD and the NMTs out there tho i'm not sure i want the full feature that NMT gives me so i'm leaning towards WDTV. It wouldn't hurt that the price is cheaper as well

TIA!

radforce · « **Reply #421 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 09:26 AM »

Quote from: jinx999 on Jan 15, 2009 at 07:42 AM

Sir Barrister, what do you mean by this statement? Di ba nakakaplay naman ng 1080p files ang WD? Are you saying that PCH is better at playing 1080p files than WD? mabagal ba sa WD or di talaga kaya? I do understand the difference between WD and the NMTs out there tho i'm not sure i want the full feature that NMT gives me so i'm leaning towards WDTV. It wouldn't hurt that the price is cheaper as well TIA!

Not all 1080p(in my case) can be played properly by WD. I observed pixelations with several 1080p files but I think it can still be fix by FW update from WD. Actually most of the time pag may pixelation issue or totally no video and sounds lang yun output, I'll just clicked on 'Pause' then hit 'Play' button again to play it properly.

radforce · « **Reply #422 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 09:34 AM »

BTW for those who have a HD Camcorder (mine is HD Cam from Sanyo), WD can play the MP4/H.264 files flawlessly

You just need an USB Card reader to play your raw movie files

pooch · « **Reply #423 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM »

im not experiencing any problems with the 1080p files except i cant ff it. maybe its how the file is encoded. maybe some future firmware updates can fix this

barrister · « **Reply #424 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 11:01 AM »

Quote from: pooch on Jan 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM

im not experiencing any problems with the 1080p files except i cant ff it.

If you can't ff it, then I would consider that a major defect and not just a minor glitch.

That's why I prefer AVI containers. Old, but playback is more reliable, and fixing encoding errors is easier.

I think 1080p resolution is possible in an AVI container, but nobody seems to be interested.

Quote from: jinx999 on Jan 15, 2009 at 07:42 AM

Sir Barrister, what do you mean by this statement? Di ba nakakaplay naman ng 1080p files ang WD? Are you saying that PCH is better at playing 1080p files than WD? mabagal ba sa WD or di talaga kaya? I do understand the difference between WD and the NMTs out there tho i'm not sure i want the full feature that NMT gives me so i'm leaning towards WDTV. It wouldn't hurt that the price is cheaper as well TIA!

Mas reliable ang playback ng Popcorn sa 1080p MKV.

Based lang sa mga foreign forums ang statement ko, not personal experience. Ang sabi nila, pag 720p MKV, ayos na ayos daw ang WD; pero pag 1080p MKV, minsan ayos, minsan hindi.

Hindi rin naman perfect ang Popcorn sa lahat ng files. At imposible rin sigurong magkaroon ng player na perfect sa kahit anong files dahil sa dami ng hobbyist na nag-eencode at kawalan ng mahigpit na standard. Pero mas magaling daw talagang mag-handle ang Popcorn ng mga files na extreme na ang specs.

Advice ko, just buy the WD. Pag hindi ka nasiyahan, ibenta mo lang, or gamitin as a second player. Mura lang naman, di ba?

jeyps11_c · « **Reply #425 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM »

Yung isa kong hidef (1080p na .wmv) file na ginamit for testing walang sound output - Audio Channel 1 Not Supported ang error na lumalabas. Pero meron video. HDMI to display and digital to AVR.

barrister · « **Reply #426 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 11:24 AM »

What is the audio file?

To view the specs, try Super http://www.videohelp.com/tools/SUPER , click and drag the file to the bottom window, then double-click the loaded file.

Alfie · « **Reply #427 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 11:30 AM »

Quote

I think 1080p resolution is possible in an AVI container, but nobody seems to be interested

File will become too big in AVI(tried to convert once, reached 28Gig for mpg,what more for high def), hence the MKV plus it includes multi-audio and subtitles.

defjam · « **Reply #428 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM »

can the wd player decode dts already?or you have to let it pass through the receiver?

barrister · « **Reply #429 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM »

Passs-through lang sir, walang decode.

Quote from: Alfie on Jan 15, 2009 at 11:30 AM

File will become too big in AVI(tried to convert once, reached 28Gig for mpg,what more for high def), hence the MKV plus it includes multi-audio and subtitles.

Di ba container lang naman ang AVI, so file size depends on the codec? Hindi pa ako gaanong marunong sa encoding e.

But I tried a DVD to AVI conversion, 720 horizontal resolution (sagad sa 720 horizontal ng DVD source), Xvid codec, 1.5 Mbps bit rate, streamed Dolby 5.1 audio. Output file size was only 1.46 GB.

Multi-audio and multi-subtitles (muxed, not external) are possible on AVI. AVI-Mux GUI can do it: http://www.alexander-noe.com/video/amg/ but I'm not sure if any player supports it.

jeyps11_c · « **Reply #430 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Jan 15, 2009 at 11:24 AM

What is the audio file?

To view the specs, try Super http://www.videohelp.com/tools/SUPER , click and drag the file to the bottom window, then double-click the loaded file.

I'll check it when I get home

Thanks!

thesaint · « **Reply #431 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 01:28 PM »

Ang maganda kasi sa MKV file ay pwede syang lagyan ng 2 or more audio/subtitle.
compare sa mp4/avi/wmv/divx...fixed na kasi ito.
lalagyan nga ika nga yung MKV. ang laman pa rin nun ay video/audio/subtitle

barrister · « **Reply #432 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 03:56 PM »

Ang MKV at ang AVI ay parehong lalagyan.

Tulad ng MKV, ang AVI ay maaaring maglaman ng video, audio at subtitles; at maaaring maglaman ng higit sa isang audio, at higit sa isang subtitle.

According to Alexander Noe (AVI-Mux GUI author), concerning the myth that AVI can only handle 1 or 2 audio streams:

"A few people who think to write container comparisons still believe this, or even write such disinformation in order to make up advantages of OGM that do not exist, although even the original AVI file specification supports 256 streams (no matter how many of them are audio or video), and although AVI-Mux GUI has been able to create AVI files with multiple audio streams for years."

According to Avery Lee (VirtualDub author), the 2 digits containing the stream number in the original AVI spec's FourCC chunk ID are hex digits, which allow 256 possible streams in an AVI file.

Clondalkin · « **Reply #433 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 04:01 PM »

Meron LOTR Trilogy 1080p in AVI.

Maraming high def in AVI but kadalasan 720p.

thesaint · « **Reply #434 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 05:00 PM »

clondalkin,
Yung AVI ba na tinutukoy mo ay divx format?
Dami kasi avi format eh!
meron din kasi ako mga nadownload na 720p na mga movie trailer in form of divx ito.
Nakagconvert na rin ako nito. DVD to divx (upscale nga lang)720p at 6 channel mp3 yung audio.
Bluray to mp4 720p audio ac3 5.1 using nero. try lang about 5 mins yung video, convert ko ng 40mins...
pero di pa ako nakakita ng avi na more than 2 yung audio at subtitle.

WOS · « **Reply #435 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 05:20 PM »

Hi!

A newbie here.

Can anyone pls. make suggestions/recommendations on the most cost efficient, economical, yet effective way of setting up a HD Media Player to watch downloaded tv shows & movies on a plasma tv?

The downloaded shows & movies are stored on my PC hard disk which is outside our room, while my plasma tv is inside the master bedroom. From what I have read, if I were to buy an external HDD, then download the shows, then disconnect it and attach it to the WD TV Media Player to watch, wouldn't this be much of a hassle?

I am planning to buying an WD 1TB external HD, but read somewhere that WD external HD are not reliable for storing pictures, home videos, etc. Is this correct? Any comments?

My original plan (prior to reading this thread) was to partition it to store storing pictures, another partition is for home videos, then another would be for the torrents. Is it ok to do this?

Has anyone done a comparison between purchasing a popcorn and a WD media player with 1TB HDD?

Any suggestions are very much appreciated. Thanks.

Clondalkin · « **Reply #436 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 05:26 PM »

Quote from: thesaint on Jan 15, 2009 at 05:00 PM

clondalkin,
Yung AVI ba na tinutukoy mo ay divx format?
Dami kasi avi format eh!
meron din kasi ako mga nadownload na 720p na mga movie trailer in form of divx ito.
Nakagconvert na rin ako nito. DVD to divx (upscale nga lang)720p at 6 channel mp3 yung audio.
Bluray to mp4 720p audio ac3 5.1 using nero. try lang about 5 mins yung video, convert ko ng 40mins...
pero di pa ako nakakita ng avi na more than 2 yung audio at subtitle.

I dont know.

My very first experience with 720p encoded movie was MKV. Then I just found out later that a few titles are available with AVI extension but high def quality. Before that, I thought AVI files were all lower than standard def at full screen mode.

The high def avi files in my hdd dont have multi-audio stream and no subs too. But external subs can be easily found.

thesaint · « **Reply #437 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 05:36 PM »

yung MKV kasi as my research ay container daw siya.
Bali pwede lagyan ng mga video any format(avi,mp4,mpg,rm etc/ audio (ac3,mp3 etc...) at subtitle srt. etc..

yung MKVmerge na software pwedeng dagdagan pa yung MKV files ng AUDIO at Subtitle.
Pero yung avi alam ko fixed na yun. format kasi ng video at hindi yun container.

Clondalkin · « **Reply #438 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 05:44 PM »

AVI is container too.

thesaint · « **Reply #439 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 06:03 PM »

kaya ko kasi nasabi na hindi yun container kasi dami yung format.
DV avi - digital video from DV tape
Divx avi - video format from Divx
avi - some microsoft format

lahat sila avi yung extension name.

unlike sa mkv. isang format lang pero yung laman ng mkv ay pwedeng maraming audio at subtitle
at yung video ay in any form
avi/mp4/rm/wmv/ etc...

yun lang yung alam ko. sa akin lang lang naman ito...
hindi naman din ako video expert...search lang din ako.
self study ika nga..

barrister · « **Reply #440 on:** Jan 16, 2009 at 12:06 AM »

Hindi rin naman ako expert. Google and copy lang naman ako...

Comparison of container formats (Wiki): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_container_formats

thesaint · « **Reply #441 on:** Jan 16, 2009 at 01:38 AM »

thanks for the link...

MKV:
It is NOT a video or audio compression format (video codec)
It is an envelope for which there can be many audio, video and subtitles streams,
allowing the user to store a complete movie or CD in a single file.
http://www.matroska.org/

pero sabi nga yung mga AVI, ASF, MOV, RM, MP4, MPG ay container din tawag. Nasanay lang ako sa video format.
Nung dati naman kasi pag sinabi anong video format? mpeg ba? mov ba? avi ba?

as MKV daw ay hindi video format. kaya ang naging tawag ko ay continer / envelop.
container ng mga video(AVI, ASF, MOV, RM, MP4, MPG) and subtitle.

wala pa kasi akong avi na download na 2 or more audio w/ subtitle.

anyway wala naman pagtatalo dun.
thanks for clarification...

barrister · « **Reply #442 on:** Jan 16, 2009 at 01:27 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Jan 09, 2009 at 01:34 PM

I'm trying to find out if they sell extra remotes. I'll post here if they do. I want to use a second remote whenever I take the WD out of the house.

I just got word that they sell extra remotes, order-basis only.

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Update:

My remote is ready for pick-up.

I'll post again if I have any complaints about the remote.

JT · « **Reply #443 on:** Jan 16, 2009 at 02:15 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Jan 16, 2009 at 01:27 PM

I just got word that they sell extra remotes, order-basis only.

I'll post again as soon as I get it.

Or can get the code to program the universal remote?

BTW. For those who need a format converter, I recommend this:

SUPER by eightsoft. Its really good and its free.
http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html

And for those who want more subtitle, get it here:
http://www.moviesubtitles.org/

highwayman · « **Reply #444 on:** Jan 16, 2009 at 02:36 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Jan 16, 2009 at 01:27 PM

I just got word that they sell extra remotes, order-basis only.

========================

Update:

My remote is ready for pick-up.

I'll post again if I have any complaints about the remote.

cool... where sir? i need an extra one... thanks

barrister · « **Reply #445 on:** Jan 16, 2009 at 02:47 PM »

Quote from: highwayman on Jan 16, 2009 at 02:36 PM

cool... where sir?

Asia Computer at V-Mall Greenhills:

http://www.greenhills.com.ph/details.asp?storeid=1782

Quote from: JT on Jan 16, 2009 at 02:15 PM

SUPER by eightsoft. Its really good and its free.
http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html

SUPER is good, but it's hard to use. I only use it as a last resort.

Try looking for a download link from their site. It's hard to believe that simply finding a download link can be such a pain.

Try not to use my videohelp.com link at first (Reply #424 above). After all, erightsoft warns:

"It IS NOT RECOMMENDED to download SUPER © from other sites as you may get an outdated or tampered SETUP file. This official web site is the ONLY one to provide the latest updated guaranteed virus-free spyware-free version of SUPER ©"

thesaint · « **Reply #446 on:** Jan 16, 2009 at 06:00 PM »

Dami ko rin converter na gamit. Pero di ko pa rin makuha yung PQ ni aXXo.
Smooth pa rin kasi kahit sa 480p sa pioneer DV600 eh!
Konti lang pixel.

Ano pinaka best converter nyo?
DVD to Divx....

barrister · « **Reply #447 on:** Jan 16, 2009 at 06:59 PM »

It's easy to encode at aXXo PQ or better because we are not subjecting ourselves to the same limitations as regards specs.

AXXo max file size is 1 CD; audio is always 2-channel, container is always AVI.

Ang objective ni aXXo sa CD-size file ay para mura ang storage. Ang pakay naman niya sa AVI container ay maximum compatibility with all players.

Eto ang tips ko:

1. Video codec: Use Xvid.

Palpak ang Divx, tamad ang mga developers nun. Palaging pixellated ang vid ko pag Divx.

Ang aXXo codecs madalas Divx, minsan Xvid; pero ewan ko kung paano niyang napapakinis ang video pag Divx ang gamit niyang codec.

Try mo Xvid, walang pixellation.

2. Audio: Use direct stream Dolby.

Kung minsan OK na rin ang 2.0 MP3 para maliit ang file size. Pero kadalasan mas maganda ang direct stream AC3 5.1, hindi naman gaanong malaki ang difference sa file size. Talo pa ang aXXo kasi walang aXXo with AC3 5.1 audio.

3. Bit rate: Use a calculator.

Axxo's bit rate is limited by his max. file size of around 800 MB. Dapat ang bit rate ay depende sa computation ng bit rate calculator, at hindi dumedepende sa size ng isang CD.

I use Ecuador's calculator:

http://www.ecuadors.net/pcdvd/dvdabc.htm

Talo pa ang aXXo for movies with long runtimes, kasi mas tama ang bitrate na gagamitin. Hindi naman problema ang storage sa panahon ngayon na uso na ang DVD-R at external hard disc.

4. Converter:

- Pag walang oras: AutoGK.

- Pag sinisipag: SUPER by erightsoft.

5. Other tools:

- Normalize audio: VirtualDubMod, MP3Gain, dBpoweramp music converter.

- Synchronize audio: AVIMux_GUI.

- Add multiple audio and/or multiple subtitles to AVI: AVIMux_GUI. (Para patunayan na madaling maglagay ng multiple audio and sub sa AVI container.

)

milken · « **Reply #448 on:** Jan 16, 2009 at 07:13 PM »

If you want the best quality for SD rips, I suggest you use x264 codec and put video in mkv container. x264 offers better compression than divx or xvid for smaller size. Also, it's best to demux the audio and use it as is without compression, i.e. AC3 or DTS (mp3 is smaller in size but quality is not as good). x264 SD rips are not popular before since standalone dvd players cant play them. But with WDTV or NMT, you can play the SD x264 materials without hitch.

Sample LOTR Return of the King EE x264 DVD rip

Video:
Codec: x264
Bitrate: 1900 kbit/s
Resolution: 716x352
Framerate: 23.976fps
Length: 4:23:14 (extended)

Audio:
Codec: DTS
Bitrate: 768 kbit/s
Channels: 5.1

Source vs. Encode
http://hdimage.org/viewer.php?file=qvkj86k5ttay41eomccw_1s.png; http://hdimage.org/viewer.php?file=x0i0c310fanzgxmd30_1e.png
http://hdimage.org/viewer.php?file=sd9bdxsow46fx92t7wea_3s.png; http://hdimage.org/viewer.php?file=bk5w0rm5lx16bwpk8p7f_3e.png

barrister · « **Reply #449 on:** Jan 16, 2009 at 07:26 PM »

H.264 AVC of the x264 library is currently the best codec, much better than Xvid. But H.264 does not work well with an AVI container.

For AVI containers, I recommmend Xvid. For H.264, I recommend MKV containers.