Topic: Wharfedale diamond 10 series

[Timithekid]

Thanks Tim. I have been auditioning other speakers but most are a tad too bright for my taste. Mezzo 2 is also a choice since it has the same characteristic and with clearer mids but its beyond my budget right now.

Uy panalo ang mezzo.  I listened to a nice pair at park square 1 driven by a yamaha.  Malambing.

Try to listen to a pioneer wharf combo or a yammy wharf combo.  You cant go wrong with either.

[barrister]

RE: diamond 10 vs 9
for bookshelf bro minimal to no difference bro, not sure about the FS.

Thanks. I'm interested in the 10.7.
 
Ok lang ang minimal difference, since I already like my Diamond 9.5.  Regardless of price, there's a chance that a change can worsen my setup.  So a minimal difference would be a safe change.
 
 

@barrister

if i'm not mistaken, diamond 10's grilles are now magnetically attached (no pegs), and the front panels are in piano black finish (no holes), so they look even better without grilles (compared to diamond 9 at least)

^ hmmm, cost cutting??? didn't know they went back to using pegs, it was a touted feature when they were released...

http://www.wharfedale.co.uk/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=Il0MXt4h6i0%3D&tabid=57

Ok lang siguro kahit pegs pa rin, as long as they're more durable than the ones on the 9.
 
 

The pegs in Diamond 10's are far better than the 9 series..  mas makapal siya compare sa 9 series.. saka yung pinaka tinutusukan niya ay yung mismong screw cap ng speaker (stainless allen screw stud). hindi na gaya sa 9series na may sariling butas yung peg.. sa 9series ay apat lang while 10series eh anim yata.. ang downside nga lang ay sobrang sikip pag tinatanggal..

That's good to know.  Hindi naman ako nagtatanggal ng grilles, so OK lang na masikip ang pegs, basta matibay. 
 
Yung Diamond 9.5 pegs ko, hindi ko naman tinatanggal ang grilles, nabali lang ang pegs dahil sa kakabuhat ng speaker.  I sometimes need to get them out of the way so I can reach the components behind the AV rack.  Nagkasunod-sunod yata ang upgrade ko, kaya madalas nabuhat ang front speakers. 
 
 

The 10's still stay true to wharf reputation, warm to laidback with a very full sound.  I havent heard it pared with a marantz though.

That's good to know.
 
I like a neutral-to-warm sound, but not too warm.  I like my Diamond 9 because I like Yamaha receivers, and its match with the Diamond 9 was the only pairing I liked at the time.
 
What I'd like to know is why the warm-bright distinction still holds true today, despite the fact that auto parametric equalization is now common on AV Receivers.  I know that PEQ has its limitations, but I thought it would at least broaden our speaker choices?  Why is it that speaker matching seems to be as burdensome as before?
 

[Timithekid]

What I'd like to know is why the warm-bright distinction still holds true today, despite the fact that auto parametric equalization is now common on AV Receivers.  I know that PEQ has its limitations, but I thought it would at least broaden our speaker choices?  Why is it that speaker matching seems to be as burdensome as before?

Tama ka parin naman atty. the equalization that the receivers do, indeed makes our speaker choices broader, when i auditioned Rti's, diamond 10's and klipsch i only noticed the difference when the sound suddenly peaks, a sudden cymbal smash or a vocal scream for example is where i noticed a difference bit generally speaking all the speakers sounded well with any receiver combo.  I cannot explain why so i guess its still up to the listener.

[barrister]

 
So parametric EQ is a good thing generally speaking, but it's still advisable to match speakers with receivers because mis-matches will be noticeable during peaks.
 
Thanks, that's a good observation.
 
I previously posted a question on that point, but nobody answered.
 
Wharfedale 10 na nga siguro ako instead of Polk TSi500.  Match na sa Yammy, mas mura pa.
 

[Timithekid]

So parametric EQ is a good thing generally speaking, but it's still advisable to match speakers with receivers because mis-matches will be noticeable during peaks.
 
Thanks, that's a good observation.
 
I previously posted a question on that point, but nobody answered.
 
Wharfedale 10 na nga siguro ako instead of Polk TSi500.  Match na sa Yammy, mas mura pa.
 

Tama po atty.  between your choice of 10's vs tsi's +1 ako sa decision mo because i find the 10's soind to be more full compared to tsi.  And pinagtabi ko that time was a 10.5 vs a tsi300, medyo unfair nga lang to the tsi kasi the 10.5 had bigger drivers and is a full 3way.

[barrister]

That's why I like the big speakers. 
 
The way I see it, you need a big speaker if you want a big sound.  Yung laging naririnig ko na may latest speakers daw na small size but big sound (na naman?  ) --- not true  .
 

[jlester87]

That's why I like the big speakers. 
 
The way I see it, you need a big speaker if you want a big sound.  Yung laging naririnig ko na may latest speakers daw na small size but big sound (na naman?  ) --- not true  .
 

agree. saka mas malaki ang coverage area ng sound ng big speakers, hindi rin masakit sa tenga pag nilakasan, unlike yung mga maliliit na speakers

[ninjababez®]

suddenly got an interest with yamaha and wharfe combination
parinig naman nyan bro barrister

btw bro a member here inserted a foam sa port ng wharfe nya, forgot the name but he said it sounded better, nawala ang muddy bass.  incase masobrahan sa bass ang 10 series for you baka pwede mo ito gawin

[barrister]

suddenly got an interest with yamaha and wharfe combination
parinig naman nyan bro barrister

Baka gusto mo bilhin yung Diamond 9 (5 speakers) ko sir... 
 
 
 

btw bro a member here inserted a foam sa port ng wharfe nya, forgot the name but he said it sounded better, nawala ang muddy bass.  incase masobrahan sa bass ang 10 series for you baka pwede mo ito gawin

 
Ayos ang bass ng Wharfe Diamond 9.5 ko sir.  Malakas talaga ang bass, but definitely not boomy or muddy. Wala nga sana akong balak palitan, nabali lang ang grille pegs.
 
Baka nasa room interactions lang niya ang problema kaya kailangan ng bung.  Balita ko mas mahina nang konti ang bass ng Diamond 10, so lalong malabo na kailangan ko ng foam bung sa Diamond 10.   
 

[kane]

suddenly got an interest with yamaha and wharfe combination
parinig naman nyan bro barrister

btw bro a member here inserted a foam sa port ng wharfe nya, forgot the name but he said it sounded better, nawala ang muddy bass.  incase masobrahan sa bass ang 10 series for you baka pwede mo ito gawin

Ganito setup ko, wharfe 9 and an older yamaha. Back then nung nag start palang ako sa pdvd, early 2000s, yan and palagi recommended ng mga members dito, thats why ganun setup ko. Never naman ako na disappoint.

[ninjababez®]

Baka gusto mo bilhin yung Diamond 9 (5 speakers) ko sir... 

nakuh bro di maganda sa receiver ko ang wharfe. 
tried 9 series BS and FS (kila avshop) already pati sa older denon 1509 ko di talaga maganda chemistry nila (denon and wharfe)
bagay sa denon ko either neutral (svs sts is what im using right now), or bright speakers.

Ayos ang bass ng Wharfe Diamond 9.5 ko sir.  Malakas talaga ang bass, but definitely not boomy or muddy. Wala nga sana akong balak palitan, nabali lang ang grille pegs.
 
Baka nasa room interactions lang niya ang problema kaya kailangan ng bung.  Balita ko mas mahina nang konti ang bass ng Diamond 10, so lalong malabo na kailangan ko ng foam bung sa Diamond 10.

when paired with onkyo or Harman bro i can safely say maganda ang wharfe. 
OT ng konte: bro barrister ayaw mo audition ang acoustic energy?   

Ganito setup ko, wharfe 9 and an older yamaha. Back then nung nag start palang ako sa pdvd, early 2000s, yan and palagi recommended ng mga members dito, thats why ganun setup ko. Never naman ako na disappoint.

uso ngayon dito bro yamaha and paradigm or polk naman

[barrister]

nakuh bro di maganda sa receiver ko ang wharfe. 
tried 9 series BS and FS (kila avshop) already pati sa older denon 1509 ko di talaga maganda chemistry nila (denon and wharfe)
bagay sa denon ko either neutral (svs sts is what im using right now), or bright speakers.
when paired with onkyo or Harman bro i can safely say maganda ang wharfe. 
OT ng konte: bro barrister ayaw mo audition ang acoustic energy?   

Puwidi rin, basta Yammy receiver ang ka-partner.
 
Hindi nga raw bagay sa Denon ang Wharfe, lagi ko ngang nababasa dito yan.
 

[vhinx]

Puwidi rin, basta Yammy receiver ang ka-partner.
 
Hindi nga raw bagay sa Denon ang Wharfe, lagi ko ngang nababasa dito yan.
 

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You know why sir just because both source and speaker were sounds bright and more on vocals... the best tag team gears are the warm and bright set up. just my two cents lang po...

[Timithekid]

You know why sir just because both source and speaker were sounds bright and more on vocals... the best tag team gears are the warm and bright set up. just my two cents lang po...

But wharfs are very warm, sometimes nga laid back na eh.  Im even scared to try it on tubes kasi baka dark na ang sound.

[barrister]

But wharfs are very warm, sometimes nga laid back na eh.  Im even scared to try it on tubes kasi baka dark na ang sound.

Klipsch horns ang mabenta sa tubes, di ba?
 
That's the hard part about amp-speaker matching.  You really have to audition them all, which is, of course, impossible.
 
Most of the time, the best we can do is ask around.  That's where pinoydvd can be very helpful.
 
 

[Timithekid]

Klipsch horns ang mabenta sa tubes, di ba?
 
That's the hard part about amp-speaker matching.  You really have to audition them all, which is, of course, impossible.
 
Most of the time, the best we can do is ask around.  That's where pinoydvd can be very helpful.
 
 

Exacto mundo broder! This community is very helpful indeed. And the horns are great with the tubes talaga atty.  sobrang nawala yung tining ng tweeters.  Yung Rti din atty bagay.  Although nung nasubukan ko medyo bright parin.

[barrister]

I also like Klipsch, hindi lang bagay sa Yammy receiver.
 
Klipsch lang ang may karapatang gumawa ng horns.  AFAIK, Klipsch is the only brand that knows how to do horns right.

[vhinx]

But wharfs are very warm, sometimes nga laid back na eh.  Im even scared to try it on tubes kasi baka dark na ang sound.

Oohhh my galiwow, I'm thinking other speak's... Sorry po sir!

Yup, I used before wharf fs (8 and 9 series) speaker and hook it up to my vintage amps, warm sya at mas lamang ang bass sa mid's possible due to it big box... Did you ever try to used parametric equa? It is also good if you need to change freq (Bass, Vocals & High's) setting for you set up.

[Timithekid]

Oohhh my galiwow, I'm thinking other speak's... Sorry po sir!

Yup, I used before wharf fs (8 and 9 series) speaker and hook it up to my vintage amps, warm sya at mas lamang ang bass sa mid's possible due to it big box... Did you ever try to used parametric equa? It is also good if you need to change freq (Bass, Vocals & High's) setting for you set up.

Hihi, no such thing with tubes sir.  With an avr i did and i was able to tweak to my liking.

[ninjababez®]

OT ng konte: bro barrister ayaw mo audition ang acoustic energy?   

bro barrister may nilaktawan ka   

[barrister]

bro barrister may nilaktawan ka   

May reply ako don sir, special pa nga yung spelling ...
 

Puwidi rin, basta Yammy receiver ang ka-partner.

Tulungan mo na lang akong magbenta sir ... 
 
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,173266.0.html
 

[ninjababez®]

ah missed that
btw posted already sa IFS mo
thats really cheap bro, ewan ko ba kung bakit may gusto pa ng volt volt in

[barrister]

Salamat sa post, kapatid!
 
Ewan ko nga ba kung bakit ayaw nila ng 1 set.  Ako nga, pag bumili ako ng speakers, gusto ko nakikita ko na yung buong 5-piece set.  Hindi puwede yung kesyo out of stock daw ang surrounds, bilhin ko na ngayon yung available, balikan ko na lang yung surrounds.
 
Worried kasi ako baka matagalan na walang stock, baka mag settle ako sa speakers from a different brand or series.  Kaya pag hindi maipakita ng seller yung buong set, hindi ko bibilhin.

[ninjababez®]

Salamat sa post, kapatid!
 
Ewan ko nga ba kung bakit ayaw nila ng 1 set.  Ako nga, pag bumili ako ng speakers, gusto ko nakikita ko na yung buong 5-piece set.  Hindi puwede yung kesyo out of stock daw ang surrounds, bilhin ko na ngayon yung available, balikan ko na lang yung surrounds.
 
Worried kasi ako baka matagalan na walang stock, baka mag settle ako sa speakers from a different brand or series.  Kaya pag hindi maipakita ng seller yung buong set, hindi ko bibilhin.

dead set na ba sa wharfe 10 series?
why dont you try AVSHOP bro.  dalhin mo receiver mo dun, wanto sawa sa testing ng speakers. 

[[dcw]aaron]

can the new yamaha rxv 473 easily drive the wharfedale diamond 10s (10.5, 10cs, 10dfs, gx sub)?

[barrister]

dead set na ba sa wharfe 10 series?
why dont you try AVSHOP bro.  dalhin mo receiver mo dun, wanto sawa sa testing ng speakers. 

Ang hirap magbitbit ng recevier sir... 
 
Ok lang ang blind buy (deaf buy?  ), low priced lang naman.  After all, pag-uwi ko, iba rin ang sound niyan kasi magkaiba ang acoustics ng HT room ko at store niya.

[Timithekid]

^ wag ka magalala atty.  the diamond 10's won't disappoint you naman, lalo na you are coming from the 9 series.  I dont own wharfs anymore (except sub) but for the amount of money that you will spend for the set its VALUE for money.  without cutting corners in performance. 

[Jelo_B]

^ wag ka magalala atty.  the diamond 10's won't disappoint you naman, lalo na you are coming from the 9 series.  I dont own wharfs anymore (except sub) but for the amount of money that you will spend for the set its VALUE for money.  without cutting corners in performance. 

I'll vouch for the Wharfe Diamond 10 and Yammy combo.  It's my current setup and I'm really satisfied.  Still breaking them in (10.2) but can already say that they sound good at this point.  If it's true that they'll just get even better as i break them in, ok an ok na ko.

Still -- final choice is up to you and how you find the sound.  Sabi nga nila -- the satisfaction is still relative to the listener. 

[barrister]

Thanks for the input sir, for my peace of mind.
 
Naka order na ako kay Nino of Spectra Park Square 1 Makati: 10.7, 10.CS and 10.SR.
 
P22.5K; 5.4K; 4.05K; for a total of P31,950.  Cheapest set I could find. 
 
I thought the 10.7 had an 8 inch woofer (like the 9.6), so I was thinking that I needed a 10 CM center (6.5 inch woofs) para mas malapit ang diameter ng center woofers sa front woofers.  Pero 6.5 inch lang pala ang 10.7 woofers, so OK na sa akin ang 10 CS center (5 inch woofs). 
 
They gave me a demo of a display set of the 10.7, 10 CS and 10 SR.  Unfortunately, they don't carry Yammy receivers anymore, so they connected the set to a NAD receiver + Infinity 12 inch sub.  Bass is great, but mids and highs lack the force that I'm used to. 
 
Akala ko pag maganda ang bass mo, OK ka na sa action scenes, pero pag nabawasan pala ang atake ng mids, nababawasan din ang excitement ng action scenes.  Hindi ako masyadong naaliw sa action movie demo niya, e....     So a balanced sound reproduction for the full spectrum is that important.
 
But I'm not worried, since Nino assured me that if the set is connected to my Yammy receiver, the brightness of the Yammy amp would cause the Diamond 10s to sound very similar to my old Diamond 9s, except that the 10s will have slightly greater detail in the mids and highs while still maintaining the warm characteristic of Wharfes. 

Maybe the new metal diffusers on the midranges and tweeters have something to do with it.
 

[Jelo_B]

Congrats and happy setup then!  I'm also thinking of either 10.6 or 10.7 for my audio setup sa living room -- later on.  That's why i tried to get the 9.6 from you in the other thread .  Let me know how the 10.7 performs in an audio/music 2.0 setup.  I'm very interested!