Author Topic: The Religion Thread (Read 362106 times)

dpogs · « **Reply #1410 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 07:43 AM »

Quote from: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2015 at 06:25 AM

Verse 40 said he was "filled with wisdom". It means he was wise. It doesn't say he was all-knowing.

Language, I believe, is a human invention. So unless the Chinese are predestined to invent the Chinese language, he could have not possibly have known that.

Do you believe that Jesus is God?

bumblebee · « **Reply #1411 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 07:44 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Aug 11, 2015 at 07:39 AM

When God created Adam and Eve...do you think God just let them invent their own languange? In tower of Babel God put different languages to every human mouth to divide human race...

And that language would be?

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one thing is wonderful here is even though we exercise our free will... God already knows it...

No, that is not wonderful and definitely not free will.

bumblebee · « **Reply #1412 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 07:49 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Aug 11, 2015 at 07:43 AM

Do you believe that Jesus is God?

Quote from: bumblebee on Aug 10, 2015 at 10:44 AM

Kung naniniwala ako hook, line and sinker, hindi na ko magtatanong Like I said, some religion believes Jesus is human. May paliwanag sila dyan. When you say Jesus is God, may paliwanag rin naman siguro hindi ba?

Regarding my belief, I believe the Jesus is God who became man, meaning he is limited by his humanity then. He doesn't know quantum physics because it wasn't discovered yet at the time. He needs to feed, he needs to drink, he needs to breathe, else his body will die. He feels anger, frustration, maybe even romantic love and all those emotions you can think of. Did he know he was God? I'm thinking he was told he is. And he had difficulty understanding what this meant. That's why he prays.

dpogs · « **Reply #1413 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 08:02 AM »

Quote from: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2015 at 07:44 AM

And that language would be?

No, that is not wonderful and definitely not free will.

re: langugae
eto na lang about sa language... who put words in Adam and Eve mouth? i can say language evolves chnges throu time... those languages na ginawa ng Diyos to separate human race during tower of Babel might evolve thru time or nagbunga ng ibang language...puwede iyon... but God invented it.

re: free will
did someone commanded you to reply in this thread... if none, then you've just exercise your free will. is there someone force you to marry your wife? if none, then you've just exercise your free will. who decide that you will be half-practicing catholic? if none, then you've just exercise your free will...

bumblebee · « **Reply #1414 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 08:08 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Aug 11, 2015 at 08:02 AM

re: langugae
eto na lang about sa language... who put words in Adam and Eve mouth? i can say language evolves chnges throu time... those languages na ginawa ng Diyos to separate human race during tower of Babel might evolve thru time or nagbunga ng ibang language...puwede iyon... but God invented it.

Yung reasoning mo ang nag-e-evolve e

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re: free will
did someone commanded you to reply in this thread... if none, then you've just exercise your free will. is there someone force you to marry your wife? if none, then you've just exercise your free will. who decide that you will be half-practicing catholic? if none, then you've just exercise your free will...

If someone knew I would be replying in this thread, marry my wife and that I'll be a half-practicing Catholic, then that's predestination. Not free will

dpogs · « **Reply #1415 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 08:23 AM »

its up to you whether you believe human invented the language... but i tell you i believe God invented human language...

hmm... how do you define free will on the first place... i simply define free will as the ability to choose between different possible courses of action...

If God knew that you will reply in this thread, did it influence your decision? If God knew that you will marry your wife, did it influence your decision?

bumblebee · « **Reply #1416 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 08:29 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Aug 11, 2015 at 08:23 AM

its up to you whether you believe human invented the language... but i tell you i believe God invented human language...

O sya, leave it at that

Ginamit mo na yung "I believe" e.

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hmm... how do you define free will on the first place... i simply define free will as the ability to choose between different possible courses of action...

Same here.

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If God knew that you will reply in this thread, did it influence your decision? If God knew that you will marry your wife, did it influence your decision?

If God knew that I will reply in this thread, can I choose otherwise? If God knew that I will marry my wife, can I choose otherwise?

dpogs · « **Reply #1417 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 08:36 AM »

ganito na lang Bumblebee... search the Scripture first... if someone search the Scripture and is a true son of God (meaning saved, true believers)... God will reveal the answers thru the Scriptures...

I might be not helpful enough na ipaliwanag sa iyo ang Bibiliya. Me myself have limitation and in need of constant Bible study.

Pero kung di maiiwasan, we will try to answers all your question regarding the Bible and its teachings. So its up to you if you believe them or not.

Quote from: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2015 at 08:29 AM

If God knew that I will reply in this thread, can I choose otherwise? If God knew that I will marry my wife, can I choose otherwise?

Yes.

"For every man shall bear his own burden." Gal.6:5 KJV

bosyo · « **Reply #1418 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 08:37 AM »

Belief is simply the state of not knowing, you either know something is true or something is false or you dont know.

When someone uses the word belief or believe instead of know or knowing they obviously dont know what they are talking about.

If someone chooses to use the word belief or believe then they dont know if what they are saying is accurate they are only repeating what they are being told.

Sadly the most beliefs are dead-end streets, it's the point where you stop questioning. I respect beliefs, but there are way too many people who blindly follow the religion their brain got inserted, without questioning with the brain or the heart.

dpogs · « **Reply #1419 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 08:46 AM »

Quote from: bosyo on Aug 11, 2015 at 08:37 AM

Belief is simply the state of not knowing, you either know something is true or something is false or you dont know.

When someone uses the word belief or believe instead of know or knowing they obviously dont know what they are talking about.

If someone chooses to use the word belief or believe then they dont know if what they are saying is accurate they are only repeating what they are being told.

Sadly the most beliefs are dead-end streets, it's the point where you stop questioning. I respect beliefs, but there are way too many people who blindly follow the religion their brain got inserted, without questioning with the brain or the heart.

its up to you whehter you belive with reason or you believe with true faith... the Bible teaches that human fall not because we didnt believe... it is because we are sinners.

the Bible can't explain everything... but it is complete in terms of our salvation.

Quitacet · « **Reply #1420 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 08:46 AM »

Quote from: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2015 at 06:25 AM

Verse 40 said he was "filled with wisdom". It means he was wise. It doesn't say he was all-knowing.

Mark 13:32 KJV

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

bumblebee · « **Reply #1421 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 08:50 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Aug 11, 2015 at 08:36 AM

ganito na lang Bumblebee... search the Scripture first... if someone search the Scripture and is a true son of God (meaning saved, true believers)... God will reveal the answers thru the Scriptures...

I might be not helpful enough na ipaliwanag sa iyo ang Bibiliya. Me myself have limitation and in need of constant Bible study.

Pero kung di maiiwasan, we will try to answers all your question regarding the Bible and its teachings. So its up to you if you believe them or not.

Yes.

"For every man shall bear his own burden." Gal.6:5 KJV

Teka, that would make God wrong. I thought you said he knows everything?

bumblebee · « **Reply #1422 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 08:59 AM »

Quote from: Quitacet on Aug 11, 2015 at 08:46 AM

Mark 13:32 KJV

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

Could it be possible that that day won't come? Can the Father change his mind?

dpogs · « **Reply #1423 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 09:02 AM »

Quote from: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2015 at 08:50 AM

Teka, that would make God wrong. I thought you said he knows everything?

Yes. One attribute of God is all knowing. Saan ko ba nasabi na hindi sila all knowing. baka nasagot ko ay confusing or wrong.

bumblebee · « **Reply #1424 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 09:03 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Aug 11, 2015 at 09:02 AM

Yes. One attribute of God is all knowing. Saan ko ba nasabi na hindi sila all knowing. baka nasagot ko ay confusing or wrong.

Sabi mo I could choose otherwise?

dpogs · « **Reply #1425 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 09:08 AM »

Quote from: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2015 at 09:03 AM

Sabi mo I could choose otherwise?

yes. we have free will. whatever your choose is, God knows.

bumblebee · « **Reply #1426 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 09:12 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Aug 11, 2015 at 09:08 AM

yes. we have free will. whatever your choose is, God knows.

Ganito. Red or Blue. God say I'll pick blue. Pwede ko bang piliin yung red?

dpogs · « **Reply #1427 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 09:18 AM »

Quote from: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2015 at 09:12 AM

Ganito. Red or Blue. God say I'll pick blue. Pwede ko bang piliin yung red?

ang usapan lang natin is "God knows"... wala naman sa usapan natin ang "God say"...

bumblebee · « **Reply #1428 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 09:19 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Aug 11, 2015 at 09:18 AM

ang usapan lang natin is "God knows"... wala naman sa usapan natin ang "God say"...

God knows I'll pick blue. Can I pick red?

DVD_Freak · « **Reply #1429 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 09:41 AM »

Quote from: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2015 at 09:19 AM

God knows I'll pick blue. Can I pick red?

How would you even know with certainty that God knows you'll pick blue?

Quitacet · « **Reply #1430 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 09:55 AM »

Quote from: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2015 at 08:59 AM

Could it be possible that that day won't come? Can the Father change his mind?

Of course. But the reason I posted that is to point you are correct in saying "Jesus is not ALL-KNOWING" unlike his Father.

Jesus' attributes are given to him by the Father.

bumblebee · « **Reply #1431 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 09:56 AM »

Quote from: DVD_Freak on Aug 11, 2015 at 09:41 AM

How would you even know with certainty that God knows you'll pick blue?

I don't know. I don't need to know.

Put it this way. Satan went to heaven and asked what am I going to pick. God says blue. Will it be even possible that i'd choose red?

Quitacet · « **Reply #1432 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 09:58 AM »

Quote from: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2015 at 09:56 AM

I don't know. I don't need to know.

Put it this way. Satan went to heaven and asked what am I going to pick. God says blue. Will it be even possible that i'd choose red?

Foreknowledge vs Predestination

I'm gonna get my popcorn now and see where this goes.

bumblebee · « **Reply #1433 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 10:08 AM »

For me, they're one and the same.

docelmo · « **Reply #1434 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 11:02 AM »

Quote from: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2015 at 09:19 AM

God knows I'll pick blue. Can I pick red?

Sir,
I don't think you can....remember Jim Carrey when he tried to trick God(Morgan Freeman)..

bumblebee · « **Reply #1435 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 11:04 AM »

Quote from: docelmo on Aug 11, 2015 at 11:02 AM

Sir,
I don't think you can....remember Jim Carrey when he tried to trick God(Morgan Freeman)..

So, no free will then.

barrister · « **Reply #1436 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 11:16 AM »

Quote from: docelmo on Aug 11, 2015 at 11:02 AM

Sir,
I don't think you can....remember Jim Carrey when he tried to trick God(Morgan Freeman)..

You mean the seven fingers?

You have to admit sir bumblebee is right. That comedy scene illustrated how God prevented Bruce from changing his mind --- a clear case of lack of free will for Bruce.

There's no way around it. Either it's free will for man, or it's omniscience for God. Choose one. You can't have both.

NongP · « **Reply #1437 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 11:24 AM »

Hindi ba kaya ginawa ni Morgan Freeman yon is because he knows that Jim Carey is trying to trick him.

luis · « **Reply #1438 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 11:26 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Aug 11, 2015 at 11:16 AM

There's no way around it. Either man has free will, or God is omniscient. Choose one. You can't have both.

is it possible that in most cases man has a free will but in certain critical instances we have dos and dont's. ex. adam and eve eating the apple.

DVD_Freak · « **Reply #1439 on:** Aug 11, 2015 at 11:29 AM »

Quote from: bumblebee on Aug 11, 2015 at 09:56 AM

I don't know. I don't need to know.

Put it this way. Satan went to heaven and asked what am I going to pick. God says blue. Will it be even possible that i'd choose red?

You can choose red. Will you choose red?