before the foundation of the world.
According to your belief, you were predestined as an individual to eternal salvation before the foundation of the world.
But sometimes you adjust your explanation to suit the discussion.
okay. kulang ata ng arrow ang nailagay ko, sorry...
save => elected/predestined
not like this
elected/predistined => save
Now you say salvation comes before being predestined.
If so, then we have no disagreement.
God predestined that those who believe will be saved. What was predestined was God's plan of salvation for all mankind. The individual must believe by his own free will. If he does so, then he becomes part of the predestined plan for those who believe by their own free will. What was established before the foundation of the world was merely the plan of salvation, not individual predestination to eternal life.
But that is not your basic belief. You believe predestination does not merely refer to the plan for mankind, it refers to predestined individual eternal salvation. You believe your name has been written in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world, and that your name can never be erased from the Book. Therefore, your individual predestination to eternal life came before you were born, before you received the Holy Spirit.
To turn around and say that you are saved during your lifetime before you are considered predestined is to force the issue. You are attempting to make the nonsensical seem logical.
walang sinabi sa Bible na "whoseover predestined will be saved"
ang sabi sa Bible "whoseover believeth will be saved"
you are predestined/elected if and only if you are save.
you are predestined/elected if and only if you believe in Jesus.
for example:
i dont know if Bumblebee is predestined but if Bumblebee believe in Jesus Christ and have true faith then I can say that Bumblebee is among the predestined.
Again, that's my belief, not yours. The act of believing is free will; but predestination involves no free will. Believe in Christ and you will be part of the predestined plan for all mankind --- that those who believe will be saved.
In your case, you do not believe that the term "predestination" merely refers to the plan for all mankind; you believe predestination refers to individual eternal salvation.
Here, you're again saying individual predestination does not come first, it's believing in Christ that comes first.
How can you say predestination does not come first, when you believe you were already predestined even before the foundation of the world; and your name has already been irrevocably written in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world?
You're adjusting your explanation to make it sound more logical.
You just don't realize that the adjustment causes you to contradict your own belief.