atty, pano natin reconcile yan dito.
Hindi yata kailangan ng reconciliation, kasi walang contradiction.
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KJV
Proverbs 8
30Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
The Son was rejoicing because He was pleased with what was created; because what was created was good. The Son was not rejoicing while He was located in the habitable part of the earth.
The KJV does not have a good translation for those verses. So, here's the NIV rendition, and let's extend it to verses 22-31, so that the context becomes clear.
Notice that the topic is about creation --- (a) The Son was begotten before creation; and (b) The Son was present during and after creation.
First, Prov. 8:22-26 --- The Son is begotten before the creation of the world:
22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; 23 I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be. 24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water; 25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, 26 before he made the world or its fields or any of the dust of the earth. (Prov. 8:22-26)(Side note --- Notice that the Son was not created. He was begotten. The Father gave birth to the Son.)
Next, Prov. 8:27-31 --- The Son was present during the creation of the world, then after creation, the Son was constantly at the Father's side:
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, 28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, 29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. 30 Then I was constantly at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, 31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind. (Prov. 8:27-31) The Son was present during creation. After creation, the Son was constantly at the Father's side. The Son was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing in the Father's presence.
Why was the Son rejoicing? Because He saw that the things created were good. He was pleased with what was created. It does not mean that God the Son was living on earth and was rejoicing while He was on earth.
Where was the Father? In the third heaven. No contradiction there.
Where was the Son after creation? Also in the third heaven, at the Father's side. Why was the Son not at the Father's side during creation? Because the Son was the one creating, under instructions from the Father.
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John 14
2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
This is another problematic translation by the KJV. The word "mansions" is not accurate.
Here's the NIV rendition:
2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. (John 14:2-3)
The Father's house has many rooms. This is the Father's house, not heaven. The bible does not refer to heaven as the Father's house.
Jesus refers to the temple in Jerusalem as His Father's house:
"Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?" (Luke 2:49)To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father's house into a market!" (John 2:16)But that is not heaven, that is a temple, which is only a representation of the Holy City of Jerusalem from heaven. Built around the exterior wall of the temple in Jerusalem were many chambers for the priests. The priests used those chambers when they were counseling worshippers.
Therefore the "many mansions" in the KJV are the many chambers in the temple, which was a representation during those times of the Holy City that is to come. That is why the meaning of the chambers would have been clear to Jesus' audience; unfortunately, it is no longer clear to modern readers today.
The Holy City from heaven is mentioned in Revelation:
10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. (Rev. 21:10) There will be no more chambers for the priests, because the City will not have a temple:
22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. (Rev. 21:22) The many chambers in the New Jerusalem from heaven will now be symbolic chambers for the new priests. It means the "chambers" are now positions of authority for those new priests.
And who are the new priests? Those who will be given immortal bodies at the first resurrection, who will become rulers and priests who will reign with Christ for 1,000 years over the nations of the earth:
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth. (Rev. 5:10)Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. (Rev. 20:6) Since the Father's house is not heaven, then there is again no contradiction.
This subject matter is too much for those with only a passing interest in the bible. Baka antukin yung ibang readers natin.
Ang problema kasi, masyadong mabigat yung mga verses na tinatanong mo sir...
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sabi ni brod Eli, dyan sa earth na yan nananahan ang Diyos.
Ewan ko lang. Parang hindi ganon ang naaalala ko. Madalas kasi akong manood ng programa niya dati, noong nasa Philippines pa siya.
Ang sinasabi niya noon, ang Diyos ay nasa langit. Ang topic niya, tinututulan niya yung madalas sabihin ng iba na "God is everywhere" (omnipresence).
Wala akong naaalala na sinabi ni Brod Eli na ang Diyos ay nananahan sa New Jerusalem. Hindi puwedeng tahanan ng Ama yon, kasi ginawa iyon para ibaba mula sa langit papunta sa lupa. Hindi talaga para sa langit yon.
Siguro binasa lang ang ganitong talata:
2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. (Rev. 21:2-3)Ang sabi, God will dwell with them. Pero hindi pa rin God's dwelling place ang tabernacle. It only means the tabernacle will be with the people.
Tignan mo yung Old Testament. Ang sabi, by means of the tabernacle, God will dwell among them:
8 “Then have them make a sanctuary for me, and I will dwell among them. 9 Make this tabernacle and all its furnishings exactly like the pattern I will show you. (Exod. 25:8-9)Pero ang sabi rin, hindi pa rin daw doon ang dwelling ng Diyos.
Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed ... Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands. Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? Hath not my hand made all these things? (Acts 7:44; 48, 49)Hindi raw tumatahan ang Diyos sa gawa ng tao, samantalang gawa ng tao ang tabernacle/temple, at Siya mismo ang nagsabi na tatahan Siya doon.
E di kahit sabihin na dwelling Niya ang tabernacle/temple, representation lang yon, at nasa heaven pa rin talaga ang dwelling Niya.