Topic: PANNY 42VT30

[barrister]

I was looking looking forward to your impressions of a VT30 or a ST50.  I thought you would be willing to take a calculated risk.  hehehe

 
I was willing to risk an ST50.  Kaya lang, bagal ng Panny Phils.  Maglalabas yata ng 50ST50 pag may 50ST60 na... 

At least ang ST50, current model.  Bluetooth 3D + 2500 FFD.  Besides, wala na talagang perfect screen uniformity sa mga bagong plasma.   

Pero VT30?  Last year pa yon --- ilang months na lang, 2 years old na, which is ancient in today's electronics world --- kayo na lang ang bumili, kuwentuhan n'yo na lang ako ...  . 
 

[_kamatis]

mine is green blob free as of this writing. pero according to AVSForum, na madedevelop sya after a while sa panel mismo kasi yung problem kaya di kaya ng firmware fix, kaya mas maganda wag nyo hanapin para di kayo aware na meron (sana wala). just enjoy the TV itself

PS. Bitin ang 42" sana nag 50" na ako 

[rhizom3]

Guys, sorry if this is a stupid question.

I have a 42VT30.  When I played 3D mkv movies, nag stutter cya.  So I guess hindi cya compatible? I've already tried two 3D movies so I guess the internal media player is the culprit.

So now, I'm in a lookout for a best value NMT.  Does it have to be a 3D capable NMT?  Ano yung ma recommend nyo.  (Sorry if this is an OT already).

[DTNS]

the reason why I'm only considering purchasing a plasma tv at SnS is because I bought my current tv (an LG 42LK450) there and I can avail of their trade-upgrade program.

[cnn]

mine is green blob free as of this writing. pero according to AVSForum, na madedevelop sya after a while sa panel mismo kasi yung problem kaya di kaya ng firmware fix, kaya mas maganda wag nyo hanapin para di kayo aware na meron (sana wala). just enjoy the TV itself

PS. Bitin ang 42" sana nag 50" na ako 

Same here... just enjoy the TV ....

50incher?  hmmmm 39k for the 42... then 62k for the 50incher... medyo malayo ang difference... if the 50incher would be costing arounf 50k or maybe 48k... baka pwede but the price difference is very significant...  Happy with my 42VT30

[m1g09]

^ i share the same sentiments. Ok yung 42 pero for the extra 8 inches you pay more, but if you have the cash to burn y not hehe. Thanks to the tips for looking for the green blob. Scary but seeing the tv makes me want to risk it.

[barrister]

mine is green blob free as of this writing. pero according to AVSForum, na madedevelop sya after a while sa panel mismo kasi yung problem kaya di kaya ng firmware fix, kaya mas maganda wag nyo hanapin para di kayo aware na meron (sana wala). just enjoy the TV itself

Wag mo nang intindihin yon sir.  If you don't see it, OK na yon.
 
Wala nang perfectly uniform plasma screen ngayon.  Kahit yung 2012 Panny plasmas such as the ST50, wala na raw green blob, pero may nabasa ako sa avsforums, meron pa rin --- very slight na lang, pero meron pa rin.  Kahit yung Sammy 2012 na sinasabing perfectly uniform daw kuno, meron ding DSE yung akin --- also very slight, pero meron pa rin.
 
Hindi naman ako super OC sa DSE.  Kaya lang, I know what a truly uniform plasma screen looks like.  My first plasma was a 2006 Japan-made 480p Panasonic that did not have any DSE at all.  May na-download na akong Evangelos break-in DVD noong panahong yon, kaya na-test ko sa white and color slides yon noong 2006.
 
 

PS. Bitin ang 42" sana nag 50" na ako 

Hindi mo ba alam sir, ang TV ay dahan-dahang lumiliit habang tumatagal? 
 
Kung nag 50" ka, sasabihin mo naman, sana nag 55" ka na lang. 
 
Kaya wag mo na ring intindihin yon.  Just enjoy your movies.  Isipin mo na lang yon pag dumating na ang panahon na gusto mong mag-upgrade, maybe in 3 to 5 years.
 
 

Guys, sorry if this is a stupid question.

I have a 42VT30.  When I played 3D mkv movies, nag stutter cya.  So I guess hindi cya compatible? I've already tried two 3D movies so I guess the internal media player is the culprit.

So now, I'm in a lookout for a best value NMT.  Does it have to be a 3D capable NMT?  Ano yung ma recommend nyo.  (Sorry if this is an OT already).

Normal lang na pumapalpak ang built-in media player.  Kaya nga usong-uso ang external media players, kasi hindi maasahan ang mga built-in.
 
It doesn't have to be a 3D-capable NMT.  The NMT will play SBS movies as is, and the TV will do the job of converting the SBS to 3D.
 
However, mas maganda pa rin ang 3D-capable NMT, para pati yung menus and other graphics ay readable.  Kasi pag hindi, yung movie mo lang ang 3D.  Lahat ng user interface ay hindi mo mababasa kasi magiging magkapatong na side-by-side images.
   

[cnn]

 
Hindi mo ba alam sir, ang TV ay dahan-dahang lumiliit habang tumatgal? 
 
Kung nag 50" ka, sasabihin mo naman, sana nag-55" ka na lang.
 
Kaya wag mo na ring intindihin yon.  Just enjoy your movies.  Isipin mo na lang yon pag dumating na ang panahon na gusto mong mag-upgrade, maybe in 3 to 5 years.
   

Tamag ka dyan sir....  just enjoy your HD movies... and upgrade to the next best model within 2~3 years...

OT --- Si CLONDAKIN will be getting the 50VT30 at SNS soon... Congrats sir !!!!

[Verbl Kint]

However, mas maganda pa rin ang 3D-capable NMT, para pati yung menus and other graphics ay readable.  Kasi pag hindi, yung movie mo lang ang 3D.  Lahat ng user interface ay hindi mo mababasa kasi magiging magkapatong na side-by-side images.
   

I would recommend the Realtek 1186 series (Measy X6, eGreat R6S, eGreat R300 Pro); has full menu support for 2D BD ISO's and can play 3D BD-ISO's.  And attractively priced 8k and below.

[ninjababez®]

Oo nga pala, for the sake of my Wife who might go solo, at which stores can you possibly (and will you be allowed to) test a VT30 unit before bringing out the wallet?  Lahat ba ng stores ay pumapayag?  Salamat po.

dont worry bro allan all stores that sell VT30 are OK with testing.  mas sanay lang ako ngayon kay SNS and Image (AVX) kasi mas accomodating ang owners and staff 

[Clondalkin]

How does a  Realtek 1186 handle 2D Full BD Structures?  Can it properly recognize the BD Structure and the Streams? Actually most of the 2D Full BDs are not in a single ISO container - Full 3DBD ay mostly ISO naman.

Im not sure about Full BD Nav on a Realtek 1186.  They finally can do that?

Going back to 3D-Capable NMT, so bale for instance, even though a PCH-A200/A210 (or an older NMT) can play a Half-Half 3D encode, pass through the data to the VT30 and let the TV do the actual "3D Merging", nakakaduling bale yun subtitles and only the movie is 3D'd properly?   I also remember reading in the NMT threads na mas maganda raw ang 3D rendering of Half-Half encodes if you let the NMT do the 3D Merging.  And perhaps that's the reason why there are now separate SRT files specifically described as "3D Subtitle" - that's probably the logic of that.

Back to topic, I dont expect the built-in media player of the VT30 to be sufficient - the playback capabilities are pretty restricted so it seems and I wouldn't be surprised if higher bit encodes would stutter - so please explain to the Wife that a separate media player is highly recommended, then discuss the budget   

50 inch against 42 inch.  It's about 1.45x difference - that's pretty significant.  So if we follow the ratio, di ba dapat the 50VT should be priced at 1.45x39K = 56.6K max?  Kahit round-up to 1.5x, the figure is 58.5K       Kahon Mr. PDVD Sellers?   

I would recommend the Realtek 1186 series (Measy X6, eGreat R6S, eGreat R300 Pro); has full menu support for 2D BD ISO's and can play 3D BD-ISO's.  And attractively priced 8k and below.

[Stagea]

50 inch against 42 inch.  It's about 1.45x difference - that's pretty significant.  So if we follow the ratio, di ba dapat the 50VT should be priced at 1.45x39K = 56.6K max?  Kahit round-up to 1.5x, the figure is 58.5K       Kahon Mr. PDVD Sellers?   

I think the price is set by supply/demand in this case. I don't think many VT buyers are really after the 42" size (not to mention there's pricing pressure from same-priced 46" and 50" screens).

[barrister]

Going back to 3D-Capable NMT, so bale for instance, even though a PCH-A200/A210 (or an older NMT) can play a Half-Half 3D encode, pass through the data to the VT30 and let the TV do the actual "3D Merging", nakakaduling bale yun subtitles and only the movie is 3D'd properly? 

Ganon na nga.  Subtitles will also be split into left and right, then merged into one.  So ang makikita mo ay magkapatong na left side and right side subtitles na hindi mo mababasa.
 
Actually, madali lang naman mag convert ng srt subtitles into SBS subtitles.  Just convert srt using 3D Subtitler (freeware download), then mux into the container.  I used a +3 depth setting, and it looked good.  Zero means pantay sa screen level; negative means it's deeper than screen level; positive means it pops out to the viewer.
 
Kaya lang, hindi pala advisable ang SBS 3D susbtitles, kasi nakakahilo minsan.  Pag may extreme pop-out image sa movie, at sabay natiyempo na may lumitaw na subtitles, nakakalito tignan, kasi mali ang depth ng subtitles in relation to the movie image --- mas malalim yung subtitles kaysa sa pop-out image.  But as long as subtitles never go behind the 3D image, maganda naman.
 
 

I also remember reading in the NMT threads na mas maganda raw ang 3D rendering of Half-Half encodes if you let the NMT do the 3D Merging.

I don't understand how that works.  If the NMT is doing the merging, then the TV thinks it's receiving a 2D signal.  If you have an active-shutter system, how will the TV and the 3D glasses synchronize with each other?   
 

[Clondalkin]

Perhaps a 3D-capable NMT sends out the data as 3D (or at least some kind of 3D flag) which a 3DTV can automatically recognize? - similar to playing a 3D Bluray? 

Also, I think a non-3D capable NMT is actually sending the Half-3D encode as 2D (hence even non 3DTVs can play and display the horizontally or vertically partitioned screen), thus the 3DTV should be manually switched to the appropriate 3D mode?   

Yeah, in the end, the active-shutter VT30 itself must synchronize with the 3D glasses.

Sino kaya puedeng hiraman ng A300 or A400 or Measy X5 or Egreat R300 or R6S sa Pasko?  hehe

I don't understand how that works.  If the NMT is doing the merging, then the TV thinks it's receiving a 2D signal.  If you have an active-shutter system, how will the TV and the 3D glasses synchronize with each other?   

[Neon Tetra]

Wag mo nang intindihin yon sir.  If you don't see it, OK na yon.
 
Wala nang perfectly uniform plasma screen ngayon.  Kahit yung 2012 Panny plasmas such as the ST50, wala na raw green blob, pero may nabasa ako sa avsforums, meron pa rin --- very slight na lang, pero meron pa rin.  Kahit yung Sammy 2012 na sinasabing perfectly uniform daw kuno, meron ding DSE yung akin --- also very slight, pero meron pa rin.
 
Hindi naman ako super OC sa DSE.  Kaya lang, I know what a truly uniform plasma screen looks like.  My first plasma was a 2006 Japan-made 480p Panasonic that did not have any DSE at all.  May na-download na akong Evangelos break-in DVD noong panahong yon, kaya na-test ko sa white and color slides yon noong 2006.
 

Cnsya na, but what is DSE?

Medyo OT, pero is the Sammy 51E8000 Plasma a good alternative to the Panny 50VT30? Kasi parang walang green/pink blob issue yung 51E8000.

[barrister]

Cnsya na, but what is DSE?

Medyo OT, pero is the Sammy 51E8000 Plasma a good alternative to the Panny 50VT30? Kasi parang walang green/pink blob issue yung 51E8000.

DSE is "Dirty Screen Effect."  Terminology lang yan ng mga forum posters sa US and UK.  It's the catch-all term for all kinds of anomalies on a plasma screen such as green blobs, pink tint, purple snakes, vertical bands, screen door, etc., etc.
 
Yes, Sammy E8000 is an alternative.  2011's VT30 is very good, but picture quality can now be matched by the lower-model ST50 of 2012.  Kung green blob/pink tint issue lang, wala ngang ganong issue sa E8000, pero hindi pa rin perfect yon.  May slight DSE rin, pero non-issue na yon, kasi wala na talagang perfectly uniform plasma ngayon.
 
Pero sa build quality, mas magaling pa rin ang Panny sa Samsung.  Sa Sammy, mas common ang plasma dead pixel; may issue pa na nagkakaroon ng crack ang panel glass.
 
 

Also, I think a non-3D capable NMT is actually sending the Half-3D encode as 2D (hence even non 3DTVs can play and display the horizontally or vertically partitioned screen), thus the 3DTV should be manually switched to the appropriate 3D mode?   

Yes, that's right.
 
The non-3D media player just plays the video file as is.  The player doesn't know that the video file is SBS 3D, so it just sends the video signal to the TV the way it would any other 2D video file.
 
On my Sammy TV, you have to press a button to switch to 3D, then you select the side-by-side mode.
 

[ninjababez®]

Pero sa build quality, mas magaling pa rin ang Panny sa Samsung.  Sa Sammy, mas common ang plasma dead pixel; may issue pa na nagkakaroon ng crack ang panel glass.
 
 
Yes, that's right.
 
The non-3D media player just plays the video file as is.  The player doesn't know that the video file is SBS 3D, so it just sends the video signal to the TV the way it would any other 2D video file.
 
On my Sammy TV, you have to press a button to switch to 3D, then you select the side-by-side mode.
 

bro barrister yung crack sa glass panel, biglaan nalang nagkakaroon?

same with LG, detected nya as 2 separate video, then press 3d button

[barrister]

bro barrister yung crack sa glass panel, biglaan nalang nagkakaroon?

Yes, they crack spontaneously.  Hindi nauntog, hindi nabagsak.  Basta mapapansin mo na lang, may crack na.  Nababasa ko lang sa US forums.
 
Ganon kasi ang style ko sa research, naghahanap talaga ako ng defects.  If you're familiar with my old posts, mapapansin mo, ako usually ang unang nagpo-post ng defects ... 
 
 

[rhizom3]

Barrister/Clondalkin (a.k.a Sir, Allan?),

Below 3K lang kasi ang budget for the NMT.  I'm eyeing on Xtreamer Elvira NMT (sells around 2k).  Is this a good all-rounder player?  According to specs, it has HDMI 1.3a so I guess no 3D?  May issue ba if I'm playing a 3D content on this box? 

By the way, I'm seeing two screens on the 3D movie file when previewing it via VT30 built-in media player.  So I guess this is half-half 3D like you mentioned?  If I'm going to play this on the Elvira, what are the possible issues/compromise?

[ninjababez®]

Yes, they crack spontaneously.  Hindi nauntog, hindi nabagsak.  Basta mapapansion mo na lang, may crack na.  Nababasa ko lang sa US forums.
 
Ganon kasi ang style ko sa research, naghahanap talaga ako ng defects.  If you're familiar with my old posts, mapapansin mo, ako usually ang unang nagpo-post ng defects ... 
 
 

wow weird ano yan dahil sa heat .. (RE: Samsung)
i know re: una post ng defects. 
i usually wait for yours, bro allans, bro carlos pieces first before purchasing a tv.
isang beses lang sumablay si carlo, but he did warn me about it.  makulit lang talaga ako at binili magkaroon lang ng 3dtv

puro 42" yata ang defective vt30 ah! 
i know someone here who bought a vt30 42" then upgraded to 50" vt30 after getting almost whole screen green tinge on all white screen

[ninjababez®]

By the way, I'm seeing two screens on the 3D movie file when previewing it via VT30 built-in media player.  So I guess this is half-half 3D like you mentioned?  If I'm going to play this on the Elvira, what are the possible issues/compromise?

turn on the 3d, then play with the settings 3d to 2d or vise versa.  sa previous LG 3d tv ko ganun lang gawa ko nag POP naman yung image

[nerveblocker]

The non-3D media player just plays the video file as is.  The player doesn't know that the video file is SBS 3D, so it just sends the video signal to the TV the way it would any other 2D video file.
 
On my Sammy TV, you have to press a button to switch to 3D, then you select the side-by-side mode.
 

I am just reposting my experience playing 3D SBS using XBMC compared to Measy X5 (3D) in my Panasonic 50UT30:

Before I was playing 3D SBS via XBMC and let my 3D HDTV do the conversion.  The rendition wasn't as great compared to a 3D BD.  When wearing my 3D glasses, the edges of the TV wasn't well defined parang dumodoble that I have to watch at the center of the screen.  Another problem is that sometimes the video reverts back to 2D in that I have to reactivate the 3D button in my TV remote.  Hassle nga and nakakatamad manood with all the nuisances. 

This player renders SBS movies like 3D BDs.  Syempre not the same quality but the rendition is the same. Parang BD vs MKV.  The edges of your TV is well defined just like when playing 3D BDs. When you play the 3D movie, you have the option if the player will convert the movie to 3D or you can use the TV conversion.  Didn't find any difference actually in the final converted PQ.  The advantage of having the player convert the SBS is that after stopping the movie and when you view your files again,  it automatically goes back to normal as compared to the TV doing the conversion in that when you stop the movie, naka 3D mode parin sya parang magnified ang words and then you have to convert it back to 2D or wait for the TV to detect na hindi na 3D ang material.  Do I make sense? 

Before parang gusto ko ng burahin mga 3D SBS after watching 3D BDs but after playing them in this player.  I'm definitely keeping them. 

With this player pwede ng 3D SBS.  No need to store 3D BD ISOs that take up a lot of HDD space. 

[cnn]

^ wow... cracking glass screen on plasma units? due to heat?   scary... i hope i never get this issue on my PANA 42VT30...

The screen does get a bit warm after 2~3 hours of use...

[nerveblocker]

 
Ganon kasi ang style ko sa research, naghahanap talaga ako ng defects.  If you're familiar with my old posts, mapapansin mo, ako usually ang unang nagpo-post ng defects ... 
 
 

Agree ako 100% dyan your honor! 

[nerveblocker]

Sino kaya puedeng hiraman ng A300 or A400 or Measy X5 or Egreat R300 or R6S sa Pasko?  hehe

Bro Alan meron akong X5.  Measy lang po at hindi BMW. Pwede natin testing pagkuha ko HDD.

[barrister]

^ wow... cracking glass screen on plasma units? due to heat?   scary... i hope i never get this issue on my PANA 42VT30...

The screen does get a bit warm after 2~3 hours of use...

 
It's usually not the external glass, but the panel's internal glass.
 
It's more common on Samsung, but it can also happen on Panasonic or LG.  Sample threads:
 
Sammy:  http://forums.cnet.com/7723-13973_102-340997/internal-crack-on-my-tv-panel/
Panny:  http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1561140
LG: http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1287006-screen-lg-plasma-cracks-itself.html
 
Search hard enough and you'll come to the conclusion na lahat talaga ng flat panel may issue.  It's just a matter of knowing what those issues are and deciding if you can live with them.
 
 

[Clondalkin]

You'd better consult with Toys4Geeks or Garfield kung anong options they can offer for your budget.  Parang mahirap makahanap ng magandang player below 3K, except perhaps kung pre-owned.  The Measy X5 I think is about 6K, the Mede8er1000K is 8K while the R6S is probably around 6K or less din.  These are the models na 3DBD capable na.  I have no idea about the Elvira but that name sounds rather wicked.  hehehe

If I recall correctly, you need the Tsip Of Stop's approval sa budget diba? (We all do anyways).  So what to do, what to do if the good ones require 6K at least?

Ang isa pa sanang maganda kaso over the budget, yung 7K ni Kobebryant na PCH-A200.  It's the fugliest looking NMT but it's freakin awesome in terms of capabilities.

Just to confirm, did you get the 3D glasses or not?  If not, then no need to have 3D contents and 3D-capable NMT?

BTW, you defnitely must have an HDD if you are buying an NMT. 

Barrister/Clondalkin (a.k.a Sir, Allan?),

Below 3K lang kasi ang budget for the NMT.  I'm eyeing on Xtreamer Elvira NMT (sells around 2k).  Is this a good all-rounder player?  According to specs, it has HDMI 1.3a so I guess no 3D?  May issue ba if I'm playing a 3D content on this box? 

By the way, I'm seeing two screens on the 3D movie file when previewing it via VT30 built-in media player.  So I guess this is half-half 3D like you mentioned?  If I'm going to play this on the Elvira, what are the possible issues/compromise?

[rhizom3]

Yes, I did get the 2 pair of 3D glasses.  And yes, i have an external 1TB HDD.

Haayy.. esep esep... =)

[Clondalkin]

This thread seems to be the center of the universe recently.   

So pa OT.  Anyone interested in my 2-year old 42V20?      No green blobs and the greatest V before VT30.   

[monpunx]

Brod, back read.  I actually posted pictures of the 50VT30 and 55ST30 side by side.  The panels have way much difference.  See for yourself.  Cheers!

was able to back read sir about the side by side comparison.
just wanted to ask, was those two the ST and VT had the same settings in terms of sharpness? parang ang layo kasi nung sharpness nung VT compare sa ST, and I would say na the blurring from your previous post was very evident dun sa ST model, tho I find my unit kahit 42" so far from watching full HD or atleast 720p movies don't notice that kind of blurring. tho I saw in listening room last time in megamall, when they are showing the ST30 and i'm not sure if it's an X50 they have compared, the blacks, seems black dun sa isa compare sa ST, this was a night shot video of a church and the sky from the st looked bluish compare to the other, tho I'm still not convinced since the settings were not shown naman.

but I thank you guys for such information you bring to this community. atleast a newbie like me would learn a lot:D