Author Topic: New Production Turn Tables (Read 15108 times)

audioslave · « **on:** Oct 24, 2004 at 08:37 AM »

this audio hobby is a never-ending exploit to try new equipment our budget can buy. after getting one equipment, you'll soon realize you need and want another one.

i'm now on a hunt for a new production turntable and my mind is set on getting either any of these 3 budget TTs:

Pro-Ject Debut or Xpression (Czech made)

Goldring GR-1 (English made)

since the Pro-Ject TT is the more popular brand and it comes supplied with Ortofon cart, I may be leaning towards this brand. but your suggestions may greatly influence my choice and decision. and you can likewise proffer other brands within the same budget range of 15K-30K. Clearaudio is definitely not within my reach coz i'm not filthy rich.

thanks in advance

rony · « **Reply #1 on:** Oct 24, 2004 at 11:03 AM »

Naks naman tukayo totoo ba yan.

kimpao · « **Reply #2 on:** Oct 24, 2004 at 11:17 AM »

Hindi talaga nakatiis!

I've been reading alot of reviews regarding the Project and Goldring but most of them are more in favor of the goldring. IMHO, better audition both as one's milage may vary.

akyatbundok · « **Reply #3 on:** Oct 24, 2004 at 12:18 PM »

TT session na ba?

audioslave · « **Reply #4 on:** Oct 24, 2004 at 05:14 PM »

Quote from: kimpao on Oct 24, 2004 at 11:17 AM

I've been reading alot of reviews regarding the Project and Goldring but most of them are more in favor of the goldring. IMHO, better audition both as one's milage may vary.

parekuy, naka-GR1 ka na kase kaya kahit mas maganda pa yan, ayaw ko namang gumaya sayo! yung Pro-Ject na lang para maiba at nang may makalaban GR-1 mo sa shoot-out.

about the reviews, maybe you read the review from a british hi-fi mag and written by brit who would patriotically prefer a british brand over a czech-made and austrian-designed gear. Even then, the Hi-Fi Choice only gave a 4 star rating of the GR-1, thus, unimpressive. the Pro-Ject brand has been around for over 50 years while Goldring Lenco struggled and was shut down in the seventies only to be revived just recently.

audioslave · « **Reply #5 on:** Oct 24, 2004 at 11:03 PM »

Quote from: akyatbundok on Oct 24, 2004 at 12:18 PM

TT session na ba?

sir, hintay hintay lang muna tayo... palalakihin ko pa yung akin...

maliit pa kase budget ko eh... next Pro-Ject ko talaga TT ko para maging kumpleto na buhay audio ko. pag may magandang TT na ko pwede ko na ipakita sa inyo at mag TT session na tayo

H a n $ · « **Reply #6 on:** Oct 25, 2004 at 08:10 AM »

maganda siguro yun marami o flexible sa upgrade para meron bago everytime magsawa ka..

Audioboy · « **Reply #7 on:** Oct 25, 2004 at 09:10 AM »

GR1 or Project TT? Project TT nalang para maiba naman.

if you dont have extra time and effort, then MP3 is the only option.

As the vinyl fanatics would say: "Pangit ang plaka".

odyopayl · « **Reply #8 on:** Oct 25, 2004 at 04:21 PM »

Quote from: audioslave on Oct 24, 2004 at 08:37 AM

this audio hobby is a never-ending exploit to try new equipment our budget can buy. after getting one equipment, you'll soon realize you need and want another one.

i'm now on a hunt for a new production turntable and my mind is set on getting either any of these 3 budget TTs:

Pro-Ject Debut or Xpression (Czech made)

Goldring GR-1 (English made)

since the Pro-Ject TT is the more popular brand and it comes supplied with Ortofon cart, I may be leaning towards this brand. but your suggestions may greatly influence my choice and decision. and you can likewise proffer other brands within the same budget range of 15K-30K. Clearaudio is definitely not within my reach coz i'm not filthy rich.

thanks in advance

I recommend C.A. Gusto mo?

audioslave · « **Reply #9 on:** Oct 25, 2004 at 06:42 PM »

Quote from: JulsP168 on Oct 25, 2004 at 09:10 AM

if you dont have extra time and effort, then MP3 is the only option.

matagal ko na ginagawa yan bro...

i put my notebook computer on top of the rack, connect the output mini-jack to the RCA line in of my amp, open my Windows Media Player and play a shuffled selection of MP3s in 192kbps CD quality resolution. may video monitor na ko, may equalizer pa.

come to think of it... it's more convenient, fun and enjoyable. try mo minsan parekuy nang maiba ka naman... wag yung gaya gaya na lang palagi!!

odyopayl · « **Reply #10 on:** Oct 26, 2004 at 09:02 AM »

Sir Audioslave it seems you're really serious with Audio now, pure analog that's good, i thought your anti-analog hehehe (you started the thread Digital VS Analog hehehe). If I have huge collection of Vinyls I'll go for analog. However, I have only 10 pcs. of collectible vinyls.
Attorney, that ultimate goal as an audiophile! Go for it!!!! Gusto mo pahanap tayo sa China ng new production TT!

Audioboy · « **Reply #11 on:** Oct 26, 2004 at 10:02 AM »

Quote from: audioslave on Oct 25, 2004 at 06:42 PM

matagal ko na ginagawa yan bro...

i put my notebook computer on top of the rack, connect the output mini-jack to the RCA line in of my amp, open my Windows Media Player and play a shuffled selection of MP3s in 192kbps CD quality resolution. may video monitor na ko, may equalizer pa.

come to think of it... it's more convenient, fun and enjoyable. try mo minsan parekuy nang maiba ka naman... wag yung gaya gaya na lang palagi!!

i play MP3s through my head unit while in transit or while working with my mobile computer. indeed it is more convenient to use MP3 format especially during long drive or when busy working.

ok lang gumaya basta masaya ka sa ginaya mo parekuy.

wag lang gumaya pag di naman gusto ang gagayahin. worst scenario, hindi nga gumaya pero di naman masaya sa kinuha at sa isip isip nya, bat nga di ko ginaya

sana di na lang ako nahiya na gumaya

audioslave · « **Reply #12 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 02:59 PM »

Quote from: odyopayl on Oct 26, 2004 at 09:02 AM

Sir Audioslave it seems you're really serious with Audio now, pure analog that's good, i thought you're anti-analog hehehe (you started the thread Digital VS Analog hehehe).

o nga eh. gagayahin ko na rin yung iba dito. mag-aanalog na rin ako!!

sabi nga ni julius, di baleng mang-gaya basta masaya!!

akyatbundok · « **Reply #13 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 03:04 PM »

phonostage sir, ano balak mo: tube or ss?

audioslave · « **Reply #14 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 03:08 PM »

i'll go for the Home-made phono stage

este Homer-made Phono Stage pala...

at least yun, cheap na di pa nakakasagap ng mga radio stations...

yung Contodo pre-amp nyo yata, mahina ang shielding o kulang sa earthing?

akyatbundok · « **Reply #15 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 03:40 PM »

Quote from: audioslave on Oct 28, 2004 at 03:08 PM

i'll go for the Home-made phono stage

este Homer-made Phono Stage pala...

at least yun, cheap na di pa nakakasagap ng mga radio stations...

yung Contodo pre-amp nyo yata, mahina ang shielding o kulang sa earthing?

haha.... aprub yan homer-made, narinig ko yan nung nasa kahon pa ng sapatos, ganda ng tunog sir tinalo yun peborit kong phonostage (sansui), sinigurado lang ng master na okey yun tunog bago bihisan ng chassis.... yun tube phono ko may pickup ng radyo di ko alam kung dahil sa NU-107 sa ground floor namin o yung mga radio stations across the street (napapaligiran ako), pero kulang na lang antenna at dial may radyo na ko hehehe.

kimpao · « **Reply #16 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 03:48 PM »

Quote from: audioslave on Oct 28, 2004 at 03:08 PM

i'll go for the Home-made phono stage

este Homer-made Phono Stage pala...

at least yun, cheap na di pa nakakasagap ng mga radio stations...

yung Contodo pre-amp nyo yata, mahina ang shielding o kulang sa earthing?

Attorney, built-in yung tuner. Tipid sa source. Kaya nga gaya-gaya rin ako! Ahahahahahaha!!!!.........

akyatbundok · « **Reply #17 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 04:17 PM »

if only i know how to home-make:

opamp-based phono (rod elliot)
opamp-based phono
MM/MC phonostage
phono w/ output transformers
very simple / minimalist

odyopayl · « **Reply #18 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 04:36 PM »

Quote from: akyatbundok on Oct 28, 2004 at 04:17 PM

if only i know how to home-make:

opamp-based phono (rod elliot)
opamp-based phono
MM/MC phonostage
phono w/ output transformers
very simple / minimalist

Then let somebody do it for you (JojoD is the name hehehehe). Sir mukhang maganda ito, change mo lang na blue LED:
opamp-based phono

Di na ako maka-relate dito! Kailan kaya ako magkaka-Analog?

iceman90a · « **Reply #19 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 05:17 PM »

Atty - ito ang dapat sa iyo, huwag ka na mag aksaya pa sa iba

ako pang Aiwa

kimpao · « **Reply #20 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 05:21 PM »

ice - ito dapat ang mag dapat irekumenda mo kay atty

audioslave · « **Reply #21 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 05:38 PM »

bagay na bagay yan sa topic natin ah.... pero di yan bagay sa bulsa ko!!

di ako pwede sa Clearaudio TTs ... cannot be reached yan coz i'm not filthy rich

buti na lang may mga pictures pa yan at nakikita pa natin.

kimpao · « **Reply #22 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 05:50 PM »

atty balak ko na nga mag-print ng actual size na pics niyan para ipang takip dun sa TT ko (ang sagwa pakinggan, TurnTable

) para naka CA na rin ako. Ahehehehehe

audioslave · « **Reply #23 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 05:53 PM »

Pro-Ject Xpression

mga parekuy, tanong ko lang.... ano ba yung nakalawit na parang timbangan dun malapit sa counterweight ng TT? ano gamit nun? yung ibang TT walang lawit bat yan meron?

kimpao · « **Reply #24 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 06:02 PM »

bias/anti-skate mechanism

Black hole principle - "A spinning mass will throw off debris at its perimeter due to kinetic energy, but drawing in any passing item into its centre". It opposes the tendency of the stylus to skate to the middle by applying an equal and opposite force to the arm, when set correctly. In other-words, they pull it back.

Goldring, Rega and other TT's without such mechanism uses a spring type mechanism for bias. While Project and the likes use a weighted thread and pulley mechanism.

audioslave · « **Reply #25 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 07:36 PM »

Quote from: kimpao on Oct 28, 2004 at 06:02 PM

bias/anti-skate mechanism

Goldring, Rega and other TT's without such mechanism uses a spring type mechanism for bias. While Project and the likes use a weighted thread and pulley mechanism.

bro, e di yung TT mo pala walang lawit.... para palang naka-German cut yung Pro-Ject TTs... may lawit

JojoD818 · « **Reply #26 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 07:42 PM »

Quote from: audioslave on Oct 28, 2004 at 07:36 PM

bro, e di yung TT mo pala walang lawit.... para palang naka-German cut yung Pro-Ject TTs... may lawit

audioslave · « **Reply #27 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 07:51 PM »

ang alam ko, mas nakakapagpaligaya yung may lawit eh.... sa Pro-Ject TT na talaga ako.

iceman90a · « **Reply #28 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 07:53 PM »

Quote from: kimpao on Oct 28, 2004 at 05:50 PM

atty balak ko na nga mag-print ng actual size na pics niyan para ipang takip dun sa TT ko (ang sagwa pakinggan, TurnTable ) para naka CA na rin ako. Ahehehehehe

ako humingi nung product brochure - para habang nagpapatugtog, dun ako naka tingin

bayonic · « **Reply #29 on:** Oct 28, 2004 at 09:03 PM »

i'm lucky to have both the GR1 and a ProJect Debut III .

for build quality , I would go for the ProJect ... for ease of adjustment , ProJect ... for visual impact , Project ...

for sound quality , its a tie

so .... ProJect na !