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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #90 on: May 05, 2006 at 02:19 PM »
It's really not always adviseable to get the first launch product.  Unless you want something to show later as a historic memorabilla. 

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« Reply #91 on: May 10, 2006 at 09:51 AM »
PlayStation 3 prices: $499 and $599
By Chris Morris, CNNMoney.com staff writer
May 9, 2006: 5:47 PM EDT


LOS ANGELES (CNNMoney.com) - When the PlayStation 3 launches in the United States on Nov. 17, it will carry the highest price of any major console launch.

Sony announced plans Monday to offer two packages when the system goes on sale this fall. A PS3 with a 20 GB hard drive will cost consumers $499. Those wanting a larger, 60 GB hard drive will pay $599. The $499 version will also lack several features found in the more expensive one.

The PS3 will be $200 and $300 higher than the launch price of the PlayStation 2 six years ago. It\\\'s $100 higher than the current retail price of Microsoft\\\'s (Research) Xbox 360.

European gamers will pay 499 and 599 for the two packages.

Gamers were quick to react on message boards, protesting the high price. \\\"My wallet just cried,\\\" wrote \\\"DingoStoleMyBaby,\\\" a member of Shacknews.com.

Sony (Research) also revealed a key feature of its new controller, showing a functionality that appears very similar to the one Nintendo will offer with the Wii, its new system.

While the controller looks virtually identical to the current PS2 controller, user wrist movements can also be translated into onscreen movement - \\\"but it\\\'s based upon our industry standard controller, which has been enjoyed by so many gamers,\\\" said Phil Harrison, president of Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios.

Nintendo shrugged off the similarities, with a spokesperson saying \\\"imitation is the sincerest form of flattery\\\".

The $499 price had been widely speculated, but industry observers were surprised with Sony\\\'s decision to offer two packages - as well as with the $599 price.

\\\"At least Sony\\\'s giving people advance notice on how much they\\\'re going to need to save up,\\\" said P.J. McNealy, an analyst for American Technology Research. \\\"I think some people are going to find $599 intimidating - maybe not early adopters, but definitely the mainstream audience.\\\"

Sony said it is taking steps to avoid the widespread shortages consumers faced last holiday with the Xbox 360. The company plans to ship 2 million PlayStation 3s at launch and plans to ship another 2 million before the end of 2006. Kaz Hirai, president and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment America, said the company also plans to ship an additional 2 million units in the first quarter of 2007.

\\\"The next generation doesn\\\'t start until we say it does,\\\" said Hirai.

While Sony is offering two pricing options for consumers, the more expensive machine is much more feature rich – and likely the default choice for gamers who can afford it. This is somewhat similar to Microsoft\\\'s launch of the Xbox 360, where the more expensive $399 machine actually proved to be the better bargain.

Although Sony did not note these changes in its pre-E3 press conference, printed material handed out by the company indicate that in addition to having a smaller hard drive, the $499 PS3 will not be able to read data from Sony memory sticks, SD or compact flash cards (a feature Sony touted Monday evening). Nor will it offer 802.11 b/g wireless compatibility. And perhaps most importantly to owners of newer high definition television sets, the $499 PS3 will not have an HDMI output.

Sony said many of the features which were removed from the less expensive version could be found on many home computers and it was relying on the assumption that buyers would be able to use those through their home networks.

\\\"It\\\'s a computer system,\\\" said spokesperson Kim Otzman. \\\"It can be expanded using adapters on the market.\\\"

In addition to revealing the system\\\'s price and launch date, Sony showcased more than a dozen titles for the PS3, mixing familiar franchises such as \\\"Tekken\\\" and Electronic Arts (Research)\\\' \\\"NBA Live\\\" with new ones, such as \\\"Heavenly Sword,\\\" which bears a striking resemblance to the company\\\'s own \\\"God of War\\\" franchise.

The PlayStation 3 is powered by the \\\"Cell\\\" processor, which Sony boasts makes the machine 35 times more powerful than the PlayStation 2. It will support Blu-Ray storage devices, which hold significantly more data than today\\\'s DVDs, as well as seven wireless controllers, and has outputs for two high-definition televisions (HDTVs). The PS3 will also offer a free online network.

Sony was the first of the three console manufacturers to speak before the beginning of the Electronic Entertainment Expo, the annual trade show of the computer gaming industry. Nintendo and Microsoft both have press conferences scheduled Tuesday.


http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/08/technology/ps3_pricing/index.htm?cnn=yes


more detail specs here.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/08/500-ps3-to-lack-hdmi-wifi-card-reader/


OMG!!! so much for the long wait. You have to shell a whooping $600 so that you can watch HD movies.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #92 on: May 10, 2006 at 10:42 AM »
Start making those  gamestore  pre reservation and  plans for store camp out. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #93 on: May 10, 2006 at 10:59 AM »
Just got this advice from someone on my speaker forum, regarding HDMI --

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"HDMI 1.3 is required to send a raw unprocessed single to the pre-pro so the Dolby Plus/DTS-HD decoders can process it. But no pre-pro’s have these processors in them yet because there is no way to get the unprocessed single from the player to the pre-pro until HDMI 1.3 is done."

"A true player won't be around until they have an HDMI 1.3 output...
Kind of like the first DVD players that came out without Component outputs..."
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Can anyone comment on this? Is this correct? Thanks.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #94 on: May 10, 2006 at 12:19 PM »
30k+++  ang dating ng PS3 (at $599), maybe might reach 40k pa.  tsk tsk...lalung naging komplikado desisyon sa pagkuha ng HD player.  But if you're into gaming...i think it speeds up the decision making process.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #95 on: May 10, 2006 at 03:47 PM »


"To make sure your friends know you have the $599 priced Sony PS3, Sony has made the case design a bit different by adding a chrome colored edge. The Sony PS3 will launch in black."

Hmm...the first impression that we got PS3 is completely in silver or chrome color. :-[ Very pricey at the initial launch price...guess will have to play the "waiting" game.  :P
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #96 on: May 12, 2006 at 02:53 PM »
It's a classic marketing strategy.  The gamers can be seen as a captive market.  Their addiction guarantess their captive situation to Sony or Nintendo, etc.    Once you've created and nurtured a market for your product over the years, you can make product upgrades that further increase this addiction.  And more importantly, you can dictate the price.  They can complain, but they'll still buy.  That's the nature of a captive market.   ;D Sony seems to be exploiting this.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #97 on: May 12, 2006 at 03:18 PM »
Ive read somewhere that sony is getting negative feedback for their pricing scheme. They had been on a defence eversince the E3. And with everybody getting ga-ga over the nintendo Wii, Im not sure if they made the right decision.

Console makers sell their unit at a losing price, they recover their loss from the software that they or the third party makers sell (which they have a share).  My point is they cannot market PS3 as a BR disc player. It  should just be an add-on to attract regular or avid gamers.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #98 on: May 12, 2006 at 03:51 PM »
Ive read somewhere that sony is getting negative feedback for their pricing scheme. They had been on a defence eversince the E3. And with everybody getting ga-ga over the nintendo Wii, Im not sure if they made the right decision.

Console makers sell their unit at a losing price, they recover their loss from the software that they or the third party makers sell (which they have a share).  My point is they cannot market PS3 as a BR disc player. It  should just be an add-on to attract regular or avid gamers.

True.  Nintendo earns a lot from those handheld Gameboys.  Not so much from the sales of these gadgets which are quite cheap, but from royalties of game software developers.   I would think, if SONY can give their game consoles even for FREE, there'd be more people getting them, more games would be sold, and more game developers will put out more titles, and altogether more royalties to SONY.  Like cellphones - network providers can subsidize the cost offering models free to consumers, and they earn from their usage charges.  ;D  Just a thought.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #99 on: May 12, 2006 at 08:57 PM »
The next HD DVD Player will be RCA.  It will be released third week of May.   Hope it gets better reviews than the Toshiba.  Priced also at $499

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« Reply #100 on: May 12, 2006 at 09:25 PM »
Good...will give Toshiba a run for its money  :P

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« Reply #101 on: May 16, 2006 at 09:10 PM »


"To make sure your friends know you have the $599 priced Sony PS3, Sony has made the case design a bit different by adding a chrome colored edge. The Sony PS3 will launch in black."

Hmm...the first impression that we got PS3 is completely in silver or chrome color. :-[ Very pricey at the initial launch price...guess will have to play the "waiting" game.  :P



                     
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #102 on: May 16, 2006 at 09:59 PM »
WOW!!  :o :o

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #103 on: May 16, 2006 at 11:45 PM »
The only 3 words i can say:

Wow...wow.....& wow (translated into I WANT IT!!) :o   :-*
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #104 on: May 19, 2006 at 01:50 PM »
Worth owning for 50T??

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« Reply #105 on: May 19, 2006 at 02:14 PM »
Why 50k av_phile1? If that amount includes shipping, etc then no way consumers will simply buy it. Way too expensive :-[

If based on $600..around P32k...or let say around 38k range after considering freight cost, etc...still very high but probably only those with spare $$$ can consider it... ;D Either way, it's beyond my budget  :'(

Yeah I want it but got to play the waiting game first.... ;D

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« Reply #106 on: May 19, 2006 at 03:08 PM »
I think I saw an xbox 360 for 48T at SM appliance.  The PS3 is said to cost in the same price point.  If customs classify this as a luxury item and tax it accordingly, it would cost that much, won't it?  I see $130 price tags on PS2 these days, but they're still around 13T locally.  So maybe it's closer to 2x as a safe bet when translating dollar prices of electronic non-essentials into pesos.  ;D 
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« Reply #107 on: May 19, 2006 at 03:32 PM »
Whoa Xbox 360 selling at 48k? Gosh that's too much for a game console... :o If that's true bro, the seller is really taking advantage of gullible consumers.

The retail price of Xbox 360 is $400. If we import in by ourselves thru online, shipping is around $50. Even if we add up to 40% custom/tax...the final amount is still no way near 48k. Whilst PS3 higher end edition is at $600.

There's a possibility of PS3 would cost that much but as for Xbox 360 at 48K....that's something else mate.  :)
 

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« Reply #108 on: May 19, 2006 at 04:40 PM »

There's a possibility of PS3 would cost that much but as for Xbox 360 at 48K....that's something else mate.  :)
 
pricy mga game consoles sa SM.  Even the game titles of PS2 are way higher than other street prices.  One option is kung me kamag anak ka uuwi from the states.  Thats what im planning to do.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #109 on: May 19, 2006 at 05:28 PM »
I just verified from a game shop seller. Xbox 360 is selling at 29k  :)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #110 on: May 19, 2006 at 05:43 PM »
Or you could try the sellers at pinoyxbox.com, they've got a lot of good deals there, some even selling for as low as 22k.

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« Reply #111 on: May 19, 2006 at 06:43 PM »
I just verified from a game shop seller. Xbox 360 is selling at 29k  :)
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #112 on: May 19, 2006 at 06:58 PM »
Sa Toykingdom sa Megamall ang Xbox 360 Japan version 29k...yung 48k na Xbox 360 US version...

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« Reply #113 on: May 21, 2006 at 11:09 PM »
I see...no wonder it's mahal...there are 2 versions pala...Gosg that's a huge difference, one at 20k+ & the other almost 50k (double!). What's the difference btw the Jap & US?

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« Reply #114 on: May 21, 2006 at 11:30 PM »
Baka naman ang Japan version, walang HD, then ang US version, may HD.  :) Two versions nga, maski sa US, with and without HD ang main difference and a couple of accesories.  ;)
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« Reply #115 on: Jun 09, 2006 at 11:13 AM »
More Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD news!!

From Yahoo News!

PCs seen playing key role in HD-DVD vs Blu-ray war
By Doug Young
Tue Jun 6, 7:10 AM ET
 

TAIPEI (Reuters) - PCs are emerging as a battleground in the budding war between two technologies vying to be the standard for high capacity DVDs -- and take the lucrative mantle of next benchmark in optical storage.

The stakes are huge for one group led by Sony Corp. (6758.T), developer of the standard known as Blu-ray, and another led by Toshiba Corp. (6502.T), developer of the rival HD-DVD standard, with each party standing to reap a fortune in royalties if its candidate becomes the next industry standard.

Many liken the war to the 1980s battle over video cassette recording standards, which ultimately saw the VHS standard emerge the victor over Sony's Betamax.

Most attention to date has focused on a new generation of video players that can take advantage of up to 30 gigabytes of storage capacity -- six times the amount in current DVDs -- to show movies in high definition.

But PC makers will also be vital in deciding which standard ultimately wins, said Howard Locker, director of new technology at China's Lenovo Group Ltd. (0992.HK), the world's third biggest computer maker.

"The three major suppliers of the players of these new next generation discs will be the PC industry, consumer electronics and gaming machines," Locker said. "If you look at the volumes, PCs are now more than 50 percent of that total space, so we'll have a big say on who wins."

So far, however, most PC makers are refusing to take sides.

Lenovo itself is taking a wait-and-see approach, keeping its feet in both camps but committing to neither just yet.

Among other industry giants, Dell Inc. (Nasdaq:DELL - news), the world's biggest PC maker, has said it is committed to Blu-ray, while Hewlett-Packard Co. (NYSE:HPQ - news), the number two player, has said it will support both standards.

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Taiwan's Acer Inc. (2353.TW) was showing four notebook models with HD-DVD drives this week in Taiwan at Computex, the world's second biggest computer show. But a spokeswoman said the company also plans to support Blu-ray when drives become available.

PC and optical disc makers at Computex said Sony could once again be behind the game, with its technology about a half year behind HD-DVD in terms of market readiness.

Like Acer, laptop specialist Asustek Computer Inc. (2357.TW) said it was planning to incorporate both standards into its models, but was only showing an HD-DVD-equipped laptop at the show.

"Right now we have no supply (of Blu-ray drives)," said Vicki Hsiao of the company's sales and marketing department. "We're expecting some this month."

She and others said PCs equipped with HD-DVD or Blu-ray will cost several hundred dollars more than comparably equipped models with DVD drives -- a factor that should keep sales relatively low this year as consumers wait for applications and video titles that can take advantage of the higher capacity.

CMC Magnetics Corp. (2323.TW), the world's largest maker of compact discs, was showing both Blu-ray and HD-DVD formats at Computex, but Chairman Bob Wong said Blu-ray was about six months behind HD-DVD.

But sales of both types of discs -- which now cost around $20 each but are expected to come down quickly as volume ramps up -- are expected to zoom next year as the disc drives find their way into more PCs and standalone video players.

"We've just started taking orders for these discs," Wong said.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #116 on: Jun 10, 2006 at 11:27 AM »
Baka naman ang Japan version, walang HD, then ang US version, may HD.  :) Two versions nga, maski sa US, with and without HD ang main difference and a couple of accesories.  ;)

I checked the US version, it has no HD whatsoever...

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« Reply #117 on: Jun 13, 2006 at 11:28 AM »
Sa Toykingdom sa Megamall ang Xbox 360 Japan version 29k...yung 48k na Xbox 360 US version...

The 360 xbox I saw at SM appliance is priced just 1 peso short of 50T.  Must be a US version.

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« Reply #118 on: Jun 15, 2006 at 10:39 AM »
theres already a new version of HDMI. its  HDMI 1.3.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/hdmi-spec-upgraded-to-support-deep-color-180393.php

HDMI President of Licensing Leslie Chard explains:
    “The color bit depth [of today’s displays] is typically 24-bits RGB - that gets you 16 million colors, and the human eye can distinguish that. That leads to scaling and onscreen effects which you can pick up. Either 36-bit or 48-bit RGB is beyond the ability of the human eye to distinguish.”





\"We have seen scaling, and it’s not all that pretty. In areas where there are subtle gradations of the same color, you can see bands of color across the screen. Beyond about 30-bit color, we can’t see the difference. Anyway, expect to see numerous products by the end of the year that support this HDMI 1.3 spec, and then colors will be far deeper than any of us can see. That’s great: pay extra, get a new product that supports something you can’t see. Sounds like a flea circus.\" – Charlie White

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« Reply #119 on: Jun 15, 2006 at 12:23 PM »
That’s great: pay extra, get a new product that supports something you can’t see. Sounds like a flea circus.\" – Charlie White

It applies both in video and in audio where many pay more for something they can't really hear.   ;D