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Re: My dream theater
« Reply #1800 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 02:16 PM »
I swapped my 2 x SVS PB12-NSD subs with the 2 Ultras (2 PB12's will be up for sale soon).

may kakilala akong interesado sa isa sir Mark  ;)

love nyo talaga ang paradigms no?

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Re: My dream theater
« Reply #1801 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 02:25 PM »

love nyo talaga ang paradigms no?

mahirap din kasi ibenta yan brader, dapat sobrang lakas na talaga ang powers mo para makabili ng digms  ;) Kung tama narinig ko that's 150k apiece bukod sa iba pa rin performance sa music...

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Re: My dream theater
« Reply #1802 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 02:27 PM »
mahirap din kasi ibenta yan brader, dapat sobrang lakas na talaga ang powers mo para makabili ng digms  ;) Kung tama narinig ko that's 150k apiece bukod sa iba pa rin performance sa music...
tama pero curious ako sa dahilan ni sir Mark.  :)

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Re: My dream theater -- an Ultra Ultra upgrade
« Reply #1803 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 02:32 PM »
nice one sir mark! galing!

actually maganda ang storya kung baket biglang nagka ultra si sir mark. it would definitely be an icebreaker of a story...  ;D

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Re: My dream theater -- an Ultra Ultra upgrade
« Reply #1804 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 02:43 PM »
nice one sir mark! galing!

actually maganda ang storya kung baket biglang nagka ultra si sir mark. it would definitely be an icebreaker of a story...  ;D

pabulong naman dyen...  ;)

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Re: My dream theater -- an Ultra Ultra upgrade
« Reply #1805 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 02:44 PM »
nice one sir mark! galing!

actually maganda ang storya kung baket biglang nagka ultra si sir mark. it would definitely be an icebreaker of a story...  ;D

eh ang story ng sa yo muna Kagawad ayns? Interesting din yong shifting from pb10 to pb12 plus. Congrats sir ayns!  ;D

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Re: My dream theater
« Reply #1806 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 03:01 PM »
tama pero curious ako sa dahilan ni sir Mark.  :)

Tama si Nogie.  :)
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Re: My dream theater -- an Ultra Ultra upgrade
« Reply #1807 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 03:02 PM »
nice one sir mark! galing!

actually maganda ang storya kung baket biglang nagka ultra si sir mark. it would definitely be an icebreaker of a story...  ;D

Kasama na yun sa story ng MAJOR MAJOR upgrade.  ;D ;D
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Re: My dream theater -- an Ultra Ultra upgrade
« Reply #1808 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 03:05 PM »
di na talaga ako gagaling ...
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Re: My dream theater -- an Ultra Ultra upgrade
« Reply #1809 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 03:17 PM »
Lupit! ibig sabihin po ba ng swapped eh pinalit nyo lang? or may dagdag cash?


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Re: My dream theater -- an Ultra Ultra upgrade
« Reply #1810 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 03:23 PM »
pabulong naman dyen...  ;)

basta umoo si sir mark dito sa thread, kwento ko na!  ;D

Kasama na yun sa story ng MAJOR MAJOR upgrade.  ;D ;D

yun eh! hindi pa kasi tapos yung storya, imagine mo, yung ultras, minor minor lang. ano kaya yung major major na yan!  ;D

eh ang story ng sa yo muna Kagawad ayns? Interesting din yong shifting from pb10 to pb12 plus. Congrats sir ayns!  ;D

simple lang sa akin brader nogie, hindi dapat ako pumunta sa graceland, napainom ako nung tubig ni mike. langya!

but seriously, going there i got the chance to listen to a 10nsd, 12 nsd and pc12 plus (same config as the pb12 plus). and sitting there, listening to the same materials, just the subs being switched, there was really audible difference on how the bass sound, although we know that when a sub gets bigger, mas walang distortion since may ample power, bigger woofer, bigger box etc. pero first time ko kasi naka audi na nandun na yung mga subs. pag kina sir mark kasi, naka tono na yung subs, even if he change it but we go there in months interval (ako na nga pinaka laging mag bisita doon) and its really hard to discern anymore in sir mark's well tuned ht.

so sa graceland, listen, switch sub. listen ulit. magic! audible difference. and tingin ko pag bumili ako ng pb12, baka ma sars lang ako uli. so pb12 plus na. habang payag si mrs.
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Re: My dream theater -- an Ultra Ultra upgrade
« Reply #1811 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 03:33 PM »
Wow...Mark, what can I say? Major major congratulations to you for the two heavy-weight monster subs!  :o :o

I need to experience this phenomenon! :D
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Re: My dream theater -- an Ultra Ultra upgrade
« Reply #1812 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 03:34 PM »
popcorn mode  :D nice read  hehe

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Re: My dream theater -- an Ultra Ultra upgrade
« Reply #1813 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 03:41 PM »
Naku ganyan din na-experience when I went there to "pick up" my PB12nsd. Nagustuhan ko yong PC12plus dahil parang mas realistic yong tunog vs. PB12nsd, kaya hindi na kaya ng powers ko yon.  :'( Congrats ulit sir Mark, Kagawads Ayns & Macdon.  ;D ;D


simple lang sa akin brader nogie, hindi dapat ako pumunta sa graceland, napainom ako nung tubig ni mike. langya!

but seriously, going there i got the chance to listen to a 10nsd, 12 nsd and pc12 plus (same config as the pb12 plus). and sitting there, listening to the same materials, just the subs being switched, there was really audible difference on how the bass sound, although we know that when a sub gets bigger, mas walang distortion since may ample power, bigger woofer, bigger box etc. pero first time ko kasi naka audi na nandun na yung mga subs. pag kina sir mark kasi, naka tono na yung subs, even if he change it but we go there in months interval (ako na nga pinaka laging mag bisita doon) and its really hard to discern anymore in sir mark's well tuned ht.

so sa graceland, listen, switch sub. listen ulit. magic! audible difference. and tingin ko pag bumili ako ng pb12, baka ma sars lang ako uli. so pb12 plus na. habang payag si mrs.

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Re: My dream theater -- an Ultra Ultra upgrade
« Reply #1814 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 08:11 PM »
Hirap gawin ang write-up for this MAJOR MAJOR upgrade. Meanwhile, a few photos:







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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1815 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 08:14 PM »
congrats sir mark. super major-major ang mga powkels ;D

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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1816 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 08:15 PM »
Wow talagang major major

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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1817 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 08:21 PM »

anak ng kamote!  tinuluyan mo din pala yan sir mark!  balita ko isang milyon yan!

wooooooohooooooo! congrats!
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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1818 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 08:22 PM »

So that’s the story of my minor upgrade. Susunod ang story ng MAJOR MAJOR upgrade but I think that will require some pictures.


Ayan sir ang hinahantay ko. I totally agree sa major major upgrade na yan. Allow me if i would call it the upgrade of the decade;D I'm sure for keeps na yan sir.  :D Congratulations sir. Mahirap nang palitan yan cuz mahirap tapatan.  ;)

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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1819 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 08:44 PM »
Allow me if i would call it the upgrade of the decade.  ;D

I agree Nelson. :) I'm looking forward to visit Mark's house & experience the super hi-end audio & the ultimate BOOM! :D
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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1820 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 09:09 PM »
Hirap gawin ang write-up for this MAJOR MAJOR upgrade. Meanwhile, a few photos:








oh my gulay!!! :o :o focal electras! :o :o major major nga!!!

kelan next eb sir mark?  ;D
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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1821 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 09:27 PM »
For a long time, I had been thinking about upgrading my speakers. I had already done a lot with acoustic treatment and speaker positioning. In the area of electronic room equalization, the technology I’m using is pretty much state-of-the-art --- Audyssey MultEQ XT32 and Pro, SubEQ HT, DSX and Dynamic EQ. In addition, DSX has allowed me to set up a system with 11 speakers + subs which is again pretty awesome. The weak link in my system has been the speakers.

Individually, my main speakers are actually pretty good. In fact, the PSB Stratus Goldi had been among the very top recommended speakers of Stereophile for many years. The JBL XPL series of speakers has been very well-regarded and even now, they still command a pretty high price. However, the speakers are really a mish-mash of 4 different kinds. Ideally, speakers in a home theater are supposed to be exactly the same. The next best is that they should be of the same family, with the same drivers, etc.

I have always felt that any weaknesses of my speakers have been covered up by my excellent electronic room correction which, among other things, makes the different speakers have a similar timbre. In addition, I have 4 excellent subwoofers and I set the speaker crossovers at 80 Hz or higher so the subs do a lot of work. Nevertheless, electronic room correction can only do so much and theoretically, if you start off with excellent speakers which are the same or are of the same family, you can be certain that you would have much better sound.

It’s been kind of a dream for me to acquire a new set of high-end speakers, especially because my general rule has always been that the improvement should be obvious. The new speakers had to be much better than the previous. Ideally, I wanted audiophile-grade speakers with outstanding musicality and with a high sensitivity which would allow me to use them for home theater, which requires high SPL levels. This is not that easy to find. As an example, one of my favorite speaker brands has been Thiel but they are notoriously difficult to drive, you need huge amounts of amplifier power to drive them and so they really can’t be used for home theater.

Last month, I attended the Hifi Show at the Mandarin and I ended up staying a long time at the HT setup of AV Driver where I was astounded, not by the video but by the multi-channel audio. I had brought several Bluray concerts that I was very familiar with, including 2 operas. The speakers were the Focal Electra series, powered by the relatively puny internal amplifier of a Denon AVR – the A100 (140 watts per channel).

Firstly, they cranked up the volume to reference levels and given that the room was pretty large, it was very loud. Wala problema ang speakers and amp. Equally important, hindi nakakapagod ang tunog kahit malakas. Later, I found out that the speaker sensitivity is 93 db, which is very high and really easy to drive. Secondly, the sound quality was so good that napaiyak ang ibang nakiking – wala biro. Next, I found out that the only calibration done (because of lack of time) was to adjust speaker levels and of course,  if it sounded that good without proper calibration, I wondered how it would sound with accurate calibration and proper room acoustic treatment?

After that experience, one thing led to another and last week, I found myself with a set of the same speakers (and actually a little better) in my HT. After calibration and listening tests, I decided to get 2 pairs of Focal Electra 1037 Be speakers for the Fronts and Wides (Audyssey DSX channels), an Electra CC 1008 BE speaker for the center and a pair of Electra 1007 S for the Height channels (7 speakers in total). I had originally intended to buy a complete set of 11 speakers but I decided to defer the purchase of the speakers for the Surround and Surround Back speakers because their contribution to the total audio experience is relatively small - let's say that largely because of the shape of our ears, we are more sensitive to sounds in front of us.  Instead of those 2 pairs of speakers at the back, I decided to buy 2 x SVS PB13 Ultras. Much bigger improvement than those surround speakers! This also means that I still have room for future improvement!

How do the Focal Electras sound? My first shock was with stereo music. I’d prefer to dispense with the usual superlatives and just say that it sounds like magic. You feel like you have the performers right in front of you. There are no speakers. The sound is so life-like and the imaging uncannily accurate. The soundstage is huge. The only other time I’ve experienced a system this good (I guess there are others but I haven’t heard them) is with the setup of Alvinthx2 – high-end Elac speakers in an acoustically-treated room.

A bit more descriptions, based on multi-channel listening – the mid-bass is tighter, male vocals are thicker, soprano and high electric guitar notes are sweeter and easier to listen to. A huge thing in HT is panning (left to right, front to back, down to up). It sounds much more accurate, likely because all the 7 front channels are the same family. Finally, imaging is very precise.

Next, I confirmed that the speakers are easy to drive because after calibration with Audyssey Pro, the AVR trims were set much lower than my previous speakers.

Speakers with musicality, easy to drive and either the same or from the same family = excellent for HT. That’s the theory and I’ve confirmed that as well. Aside from the usual stuff like intelligibility of dialogue, the imaging, soundstage and panning are the best that I have heard.

So what next … It’s always a bit sad if there is nothing to look forward to. But I can always upgrade my surrounds and surround backs! 3D? Maybe new technology for the projector?

Meanwhile, I have a few other things left to do like fabricate and install a custom-made stand for the center channel and the brackets for the Height Speakers. Till that is done, it’s a waste of time to do a truly complete Audyssey Pro calibration. So there’s still some stuff to do!

Cheers to all and Merry X’mas!
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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1822 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 09:30 PM »
A few more pictures:







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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1823 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 09:33 PM »
before I read your post sir Mark, let me say this muna...

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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1824 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 09:34 PM »
Ayan sir ang hinahantay ko. I totally agree sa major major upgrade na yan. Allow me if i would call it the upgrade of the decade;D I'm sure for keeps na yan sir.  :D Congratulations sir. Mahirap nang palitan yan cuz mahirap tapatan.  ;)

Nelson, wag mo naman sabihin yan. D tama yan. There will always be something which can be improved, no matter how small. Doesn't need to be "Major Major"!  ;D ;D
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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1825 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 09:42 PM »
oh my gulay!!! :o :o focal electras! :o :o major major nga!!!

kelan next eb sir mark?  ;D

Hi tokayo! My last major major upgrade was 3 years ago. Siguro nga another 3 years before the next!

Txt na lang tayo tungkol sa EB.  :)
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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1826 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 09:48 PM »
nasaan na ba ang mga taga GMA-7? may babalikan na sila.

sa size ng HT nyo sir, talagang maraming upgrade ang pwedeng maisip.

talagang Merry ang Christmas n'yo.  ;)

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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1827 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 09:51 PM »
WOW!! Focals!!  :o :o :o My best sounding speakers since last year at the HiFi show. Congrats Senor Mark! Happy Merry Christmas!!  8)

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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1828 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 09:56 PM »
naku, lumabas na yung mga focals!  :D

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Re: My dream theater -- a Major Major upgrade
« Reply #1829 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 10:08 PM »
naku, lumabas na yung mga focals!  :D

Oo nga :D

Congrats on the Focals as well as the 2 Ultras, Mark!  ;)