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Re: My dream theater - upgrade time again ... sana
« Reply #2670 on: Nov 17, 2011 at 12:53 PM »
Both are truly wonderful speakers, I am sure. I would think that the desired performance above 80Hz is achievable with a more conventional motor design though, which is probably why Focal went with that for the Grande EM's dedicated midbass.

Limiting the bandwidth fed to each driver type and designing specialized enclosures for each should also have its advantages. The ability to focus/aim the drivers in the vertical axis is also an added plus.


Good points.

On the other hand, multiple drivers create more complications at the crossover points. Also, I'm not really sure if there was a conscious decision that the mid-bass woofer doesn't need the electromagnet. My thinking is that the design of the Grande Utopia has traditionally been 4-way so they simply maintained that and it would have been too complicated to use electromagnets for 2 woofers (thus requiring 2 separate power supplies per speaker).

The Stella predecessors have traditionally been 3-way so you end up, by default, with the woofer with the electromagnet handling frequencies all the way up to 220 Hz.

In other words, I think that part of the design was dictated by tradition. Of course, the best way to resolve this is to have a blind test of the Grande vs. the Stella. Hahaha! In our dreams.
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Re: My dream theater - upgrade time again ... sana
« Reply #2671 on: Nov 17, 2011 at 02:56 PM »
Good points.

On the other hand, multiple drivers create more complications at the crossover points. Also, I'm not really sure if there was a conscious decision that the mid-bass woofer doesn't need the electromagnet. My thinking is that the design of the Grande Utopia has traditionally been 4-way so they simply maintained that and it would have been too complicated to use electromagnets for 2 woofers (thus requiring 2 separate power supplies per speaker).

The Stella predecessors have traditionally been 3-way so you end up, by default, with the woofer with the electromagnet handling frequencies all the way up to 220 Hz.

In other words, I think that part of the design was dictated by tradition. Of course, the best way to resolve this is to have a blind test of the Grande vs. the Stella. Hahaha! In our dreams.
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Re: My dream theater - upgrade time again ... sana
« Reply #2672 on: Nov 17, 2011 at 07:17 PM »
Good points.

On the other hand, multiple drivers create more complications at the crossover points.

Kung ako ang naka-focal, these would be the least of my concern.  ;D




In other words, I think that part of the design was dictated by tradition. Of course, the best way to resolve this is to have a blind test of the Grande vs. the Stella. Hahaha! In our dreams.


In your dream theater.  ;) Magandang A/B test nga.

Hindi kaya kaya naka-electromagnets and Stella cuz mataas nga ang cut of niya so as to provide a better grip on the driver? Pero Grande ako.  :D This is one speaker where you definitely would not use a subwoofer na. Saan kaya mag-start ang roll-off ng grande sa lows...?

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Re: My dream theater - upgrade time again ... sana
« Reply #2673 on: Nov 21, 2011 at 07:39 AM »
Pero Grande ako.  :D This is one speaker where you definitely would not use a subwoofer na. Saan kaya mag-start ang roll-off ng grande sa lows...?


Nelson,

Sige Grande ka na, makiki-rinig na lang kami. It's nearly flat (-3dB) to 18Hz, and goes down to 14Hz at -6dB in an anechoic chamber (I think). Inside a typical room, it would probably go even lower. The great part is that it reaches those frequencies with very low distortion, and it can play loud with minimal compression. I can't say the same for many subs on the market.

Sir Mark,

Congrats sa major major surprise sa weekend! :) I'm sure super ganda yan, and something that dreams are made of. :)

Regarding the driver config:

Being 4-way or 3-way may indeed be due to tradition in this case -- and admittedly, we're already splitting hairs at this level of performance. As for the crossover issues, I'm sure Focal had taken extra care to minimize that in their flagship speaker (why would they stop at that when they've already gone all the way with adjustable focus time), especially since the Utopias have always been known to utilize among the best passive componentry in the industry (for domestic audio, mobile audio and the studio).

Theoretically, because of the limited bandwidth, a dedicated midbass could be made to have less reciprocating mass (it's easier to make a smaller cone more rigid, and a low Fs point may no longer be necessary), matched to a more compliant suspension (because there is less inertial mass to control/damp), and placed on a more sympathetic dedicated enclosure. This would reduce the need for such a strong motor (such as that in the EM woofer) in delivering the high efficiency and low distortion design goals.

The larger subwoofer would usually play lower, and the extra driver displacement (granted the linear range remains the same) means that it can reproduce a greater scale without being plagued by motor and/or suspension non-linearity (making it play cleaner, as long as it remains within its usable operating range). In the Grande Utopia's case, the reduction in the sub's upper range performance would likely be covered by the dedicated midbass assembly.

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Re: My dream theater - upgrade time again ... sana
« Reply #2674 on: Nov 21, 2011 at 09:32 AM »
Ivan,

Before anything else, please take time to read the ff:

http://www.excelia-hifi.cz/focal/focal-grande-utopia-em-the_story.pdf

It's an incredible story about how the Grande Utopia EM was designed and developed, over a period of almost 3 years.
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Re: My dream theater - upgrade time again ... sana
« Reply #2675 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 05:46 PM »
Dumating na siya. Nine people were needed to bring it to the 3rd floor.

Next time na mga descriptions and pics. Isa lang masasabi -- the bass is incredible.







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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2676 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 05:56 PM »
SUS GINOO!!!!!!!!!  :o :o :o

Ano nanaman yan Senor?!?!

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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2677 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 05:58 PM »
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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2678 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 06:00 PM »
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That's HUUUGGGEEE sir mark!
Can't wait to hear it in person!

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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2679 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 06:16 PM »
di ko makita ano ba yung nasa pics?
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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2680 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 06:23 PM »
di ko makita ano ba yung nasa pics?



may malaking ano brader! malaki siya! grabe ang laki!  ;D ;D ;D


congrats sir Mark!!! 8) 8) 8)

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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2681 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 06:30 PM »

may malaking ano brader! malaki siya! grabe ang laki!  ;D ;D ;D


congrats sir Mark!!! 8) 8) 8)

I think mas mabigat siya sa iyo, pero d ako sure. Bukas natin malaman.  ;D ;D
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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2682 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 06:33 PM »
I think mas mabigat siya sa iyo, pero d ako sure. Bukas natin malaman.  ;D ;D


Kaya ako buhatin ng dalawang tao sir... eh yan siyam ang bumuhat!!!  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2683 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 06:39 PM »
Congrats Mark for the newly arrived package.  I'm sure matinding calibration session na naman yan tonight!
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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2684 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 06:40 PM »
I think mas mabigat siya sa iyo, pero d ako sure. Bukas natin malaman.  ;D ;D

pambhira talaga sir mark, ampunin mo na talaga ako wooohoooo


congrats ;)
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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2685 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 07:06 PM »
Una ko nakita ito 3 lang ang bodyguards ah, ngayon naging 9? wow heavy!

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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2686 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 07:37 PM »
congrats sir mark and happy calibrating  ;D
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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2687 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 07:43 PM »
Congrats master, see you and your new beast Tom, wag mo ako palabasin ha. :D

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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2688 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 07:48 PM »
cant wait to see and hear that in action tomorrow! congrats sir Mark!
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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2689 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 08:29 PM »
Congrats sir Mark, a little birdie at the Hi-Fi show told us what was in store for the coming party.  ;D
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Re: My dream theater - upgrade time again ... sana
« Reply #2690 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 09:36 PM »

natawa ako dun sa far right na lalake, parang nasa kanya ang buong bigat ng speakers :)
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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2691 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 09:56 PM »
Sir Mark, yan ba yung nasa ground floor during the hi-fi show, yung malapit sa elevator :)
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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2692 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 10:11 PM »
 :o :o :o :o :o :o

patindi ng patindi sir Mark!
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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2693 on: Nov 25, 2011 at 10:30 PM »
WOW!! :o

Can't wait to hear her sing tom!! 8)

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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2694 on: Nov 26, 2011 at 02:21 AM »
Congrats Sir Mark! Ganda nyan for sure. :)

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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2695 on: Nov 26, 2011 at 02:41 AM »
PAMBIHIRA!!! :o :o :o.. congrats sir!

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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2696 on: Nov 26, 2011 at 05:39 AM »
sarap abangan ang next chapter nito, kelangan may popcorn ako habang tumitingin ng additional pics   ;D
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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2697 on: Nov 26, 2011 at 05:42 AM »
Wow parang super heavy talaga this time yung speaker Sir Mark :o

Congratz on your new acquisition :)
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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2698 on: Nov 26, 2011 at 07:14 AM »
 :o :o :o Congrats Chief!!
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Re: My dream theater - the Star has landed
« Reply #2699 on: Nov 26, 2011 at 07:23 AM »
Next chapter ata dito, yun built-in sub sa flooring na may cement horns that can go 5hz.  ;D