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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #120 on: Jul 13, 2008 at 09:53 AM »
^ You maybe wont be needing a speaker for that cable, for its price...the cable might actually just sing!.

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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #121 on: Jul 13, 2008 at 10:08 AM »
^ You maybe wont be needing a speaker for that cable, for its price...the cable might actually just sing!.

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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #122 on: Aug 17, 2008 at 03:32 PM »
This thread really interests me since I have just decided to invest on a hifi audio set-up.  This came after I find my current AV gear to be still wanting of the kind of sound I am looking for in so far as audio listening is concerned.  This is not to say that my current Yamaha RSV1800, Onkyo CP1400 Turntable, and Boston Accoustics Horizon Speakers perform bad.  In fact they are sonically pleasing and should I say more than adequate in most respects. But when compared to dedicated audio hifi systems ( Note, I deliberately used the word "dedicated," instead of "expensive"), you could sense that they still are not in the same "level," so to speak.

In my pursuit for what I prefer to be sonically satisfying system, I decided to acquire the following:

1. Dynaudio Confidence C1 speakers.
2. Plinius 9200 amplifier.
3. Rega P3-24 (fitted with Rega EXACTcartridge) turntable.
4.  Used XLO Ultra 6 speaker cables.

Now my buying a used XLO speaker cable doesn't in any manner show that I believe that cables are not as important than the rest.  On the contrary, after substantial time spent auditioning cables,  I can sense perceptible differences in their performances. However, it is equally important to cite the fact that expensive cables are almost observed to perform better because more often than not, they are auditioned using very high end gears.  But it doesn't mean that expensive cables always sound better that their cheaper siblings.

Going back to my used XLO cable, the decision to buy this was borne out of a comparison test I did versus a 100T ++ Transparent speaker cable.  Only the deeper bass delivery of the Transparent was better.  Everything else like, soundstage, balance, clarity, etc. favored the XLO. Note that the XLO costs only 1/10th of the Transparent's hefty price tag, not to mention that I got a 5T discount for buying it used.

In conclusion,  it is important to mention that speaker cables and interconnects play an important part of your system, and that yes they do sound differently. However, price is never the determinant of its excellence or lack of it.

With regards to power cable, this is an area that I remain unconvinced as to its importance to sound improvement versus what the manufacturers of your gears already provide when you buy them. My belief here is that they should know better.  Again, as in several occasions, I could be wrong. ;)
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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #123 on: Aug 18, 2008 at 12:07 AM »
Most expensive cable is the Transparent Opus MM:  $30,750.


Mura pa pala ang $30k...

Transparent Opus MM price update:  8 feet: $33,000!




Transparent Opus Speaker Cables Bring You Audio Nirvana for $43,000 a Pair
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Yung Transparent Opus parang antenna lang ng TV.   ;D

Malaki ang Transparent Opus sir...


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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #124 on: Aug 18, 2008 at 06:17 AM »

Malaki ang Transparent Opus sir...




whoa!!!!  :o  anong laman nun?

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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #125 on: Aug 18, 2008 at 07:27 AM »
may equalizer sa loob... ::)
may pang-adjust ng freqs para timplahin ang higs, mids and lows...  ;D

on the side note, can't equalizers or tone controls achieve what these cables are trying to do?  ::)
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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #126 on: Aug 18, 2008 at 08:57 AM »
whoa!!!!  :o  anong laman nun?

Maraming nagsasabi na filters daw ang laman.  Walang sinasabi ang manufacturer.

The Transparent website describes it as a "network" but does not explain the design or how it works.

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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #127 on: Aug 18, 2008 at 11:02 AM »
baka mono power-amp laman nun!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #128 on: Aug 18, 2008 at 05:22 PM »
 ;D geez that's so expensive! :o baka may tubes sa loob!
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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #129 on: Aug 18, 2008 at 09:09 PM »
may equalizer sa loob... ::)
may pang-adjust ng freqs para timplahin ang higs, mids and lows...  ;D

on the side note, can't equalizers or tone controls achieve what these cables are trying to do?  ::)

 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

siguro mga 32 bands ang laman no'n!

It is unfortunate some people are still guided by belief system rather than facts! Who said expensive cable are tweak for high end system? They are tweak for high end buyers!  ;D  ;D because they are being sold by high end profiteers!  ;D  ;D  ;D

I have the gut feel that big cable has digital amps thriving on voltage swings on amp output to alter freq response! nabubuksan pa yata yun para pihitin mo kung anong freq gusto mo i tweak. The bulk of the price goes to the technology that conceals the secret!  ;D  ;D  ;D Tipong di kaya buksan - hinulmahan ng sangkatutak na bakal o plastic  ;D  ;D  ;D

Atin atin lang ito ha ... malamang gawa ng dai ichi yung nasa loob niyan!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D
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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #130 on: Aug 19, 2008 at 05:30 PM »
tingin ko vacuum  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #131 on: Aug 19, 2008 at 06:27 PM »
I envy the people who can buy that cable like they were buying a can of cola.

F*CK it if I can hear the difference or not. I'm buying all the BLING!!!!!

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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #132 on: Aug 19, 2008 at 06:37 PM »
I envy the people who can buy that cable like they were buying a can of cola.

F*CK it if I can hear the difference or not. I'm buying all the BLING!!!!!

 ;D

hmmmm! me tooo! ;D
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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #133 on: Aug 20, 2008 at 02:14 AM »
I believe it really works. I know Monster Cables are high quality cables but overpriced... but you just need to search. If you can buy these cables for less money, why not:



Just got these online:

Monster Cable M Series Subwoofer Cable M1000 6M w/ Y splitter - $34.99; Brand New but w/out box/Bulk Package; Retail: $200.00
http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=1206

Monster Cable M1000CV-1M Silver Video Component Video Cable [1m/3.3ft] - $16.98; Brand New but w/out box/Bulk Package; Retail $125.00
http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=202

Monster Cable ULT V1000 SV-8 THX Ultra 1000 S-Video Cable [for my laptop to HDTV] - $9.95; Brand New; Retail: $69.95
http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=1717

Comprehensive COCTTXD13 XHD XD1 Digital Toslink Audio Cable - 3'; Brand New - $14.95 (B&H)
http://www.comprehensiveinc.com/store/p/5352-XHD-Digital-Toslink-Audio-Cable-3ft.aspx

When I compared the retail price with the price offered on Amazon, I said what the heck. I'll buy it and I did without thinking twice. The subwoofer cable by the way is d**ned heavy. Shipping these through the Army Post Office (APO) is another bonus. Di ako kailangan mag pay ng tax and ang mura ng freight through USPS. :) The only thing na hindi sale is yung Toslink cable from B&H. It's a high quality Toslink Cable.
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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #134 on: Aug 20, 2008 at 01:18 PM »
Congrats!  Those are great deals.

Bose AM is derided for being overpriced and of low quality. 

In contrast, Monster Cables are bashed for being overpriced, but nobody is saying that Monster's quality is bad.

Now if you can get Monster Cables at good prices, then you have the best of both worlds.
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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #135 on: Aug 20, 2008 at 02:07 PM »
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I believe it really works. I know Monster Cables are high quality cables but overpriced... but you just need to search. If you can buy these cables for less money, why not:



Just got these online:

Monster Cable M Series Subwoofer Cable M1000 6M w/ Y splitter - $34.99; Brand New but w/out box/Bulk Package; Retail: $200.00
http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=1206

Monster Cable M1000CV-1M Silver Video Component Video Cable [1m/3.3ft] - $16.98; Brand New but w/out box/Bulk Package; Retail $125.00
http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=202

Monster Cable ULT V1000 SV-8 THX Ultra 1000 S-Video Cable [for my laptop to HDTV] - $9.95; Brand New; Retail: $69.95
http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=1717

Comprehensive COCTTXD13 XHD XD1 Digital Toslink Audio Cable - 3'; Brand New - $14.95 (B&H)
http://www.comprehensiveinc.com/store/p/5352-XHD-Digital-Toslink-Audio-Cable-3ft.aspx


Could be bogus imitation or direct from dai-ichi  ;D  ;D  ;D

Envy is not my word for them ...  ;D  ;D  ;D ...

In the absence of anything substantial ... the weight becomes a determinant of viability for most hobbyist - so you hear heavy amp, heavy speaker, heavy everything  ;D  ;D  ;D

ah well, I feel like plunging into the lucrative business of audio and cable!  :D
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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #136 on: Aug 20, 2008 at 02:17 PM »
May fake ba sa amazon? ::) At $35 for a sub cable with y-splitter sulit na sulit na kasi kung DIY halos same din gastos,maabala pa :D

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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #137 on: Aug 20, 2008 at 03:18 PM »
do i believe that expensive cables really work?

YES. been doing a lot of experimenting and there are noticeable sonic differences which may or may not be better depending on the listener...

BUT here's the clincher for me, since most people i know have "some" limit or budget, (may it be P50T or P5T), the rule of thumb for me is to audition the cables that are in my price range and decide from there.

also, i found that, the higher (more expensive) i go, the increase in sonic differences seem to be inversely proportional... (gets smaller and smaller, but meron pa din)

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« Reply #138 on: Aug 20, 2008 at 04:18 PM »
Could be bogus imitation or direct from dai-ichi  ;D  ;D  ;D

Envy is not my word for them ...  ;D  ;D  ;D ...

In the absence of anything substantial ... the weight becomes a determinant of viability for most hobbyist - so you hear heavy amp, heavy speaker, heavy everything  ;D  ;D  ;D

ah well, I feel like plunging into the lucrative business of audio and cable!  :D

That's what I thought before I bought it. Baka fake. But as soon as I received the stuff, there is no way na fake sya. It's identical sa webpage pics and you will really know the quality at ang bigat lalo na yung Sub cable (6 meters). And the S-Video cable, sealed ang lalagyan. I took the risk kasi maski fake mura naman pero when I received the sub-cable, I ordered right away both component and S-Video cable. Whether fake or not, with this quality, I won't think twice to buy another one when I need it.

Additional close-up pic and you judge:  ;D


D. Reyes 2008

On-line (www.monstercable.com)pic:



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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #139 on: Aug 20, 2008 at 05:25 PM »
That's what I thought before I bought it. Baka fake. But as soon as I received the stuff, there is no way na fake sya. It's identical sa webpage pics and you will really know the quality at ang bigat lalo na yung Sub cable (6 meters). And the S-Video cable, sealed ang lalagyan. I took the risk kasi maski fake mura naman pero when I received the sub-cable, I ordered right away both component and S-Video cable. Whether fake or not, with this quality, I won't think twice to buy another one when I need it.

Additional close-up pic and you judge:  ;D


D. Reyes 2008

On-line (www.monstercable.com)pic:





Thanks Bro for the info,already ordered mine ;) Yung 6meters can be cut into 2x3meters,and use the y splitter plugs to terminate it so you'll get 2 cables for 2 subs at fraction of the cost ;D

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« Reply #140 on: Aug 20, 2008 at 06:12 PM »
Thanks Bro for the info,already ordered mine ;) Yung 6meters can be cut into 2x3meters,and use the y splitter plugs to terminate it so you'll get 2 cables for 2 subs at fraction of the cost ;D

Good deal bro. You got it from Smallfry (Amazon)? That seller rocks. I even received personal email from him when I inquired.
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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #141 on: Aug 20, 2008 at 06:18 PM »
only problem I found with monster RCA plugs were very tight that have to be extra careful in unplugging them otherwise the female connector will be pulled out from the unit... ::)  ::)  :(  :D
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« Reply #142 on: Aug 20, 2008 at 06:45 PM »
only problem I found with monster RCA plugs were very tight that have to be extra careful in unplugging them otherwise the female connector will be pulled out from the unit... ::)  ::)  :(  :D

The better, yon ang gusto ko masikip ;D unlike don sa mga generics na lumuluwag :(

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« Reply #143 on: Aug 20, 2008 at 11:40 PM »
Envy is not my word for them ...  ;D  ;D  ;D ...

Para matulungan yung mga nagtataka kung ano ibig sabihin ni sir:


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ayan naka red, tanga daw.

Pero ayon dito:

Could be bogus imitation or direct from dai-ichi  ;D  ;D  ;D

May fake ba sa amazon? ::)

ala NBA buzzer: SINO KAYANG TAyAAAA!!!  :D

Fake sa Amazon, hahahahaha.

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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #144 on: Aug 21, 2008 at 12:41 AM »
I believed these items can be bought in the U.S. by bulk that's why the price is so cheap. Slow selling items like S-Video cable na di na masyadong ginagamit are really being sold at a lower price, mababa pa sa cost.  But these stores are not available online that's why online sellers like Amazon trusted merchants buy these and offer these items online. Whether fake or not, by the quality of the product especially the Subwoofer cable, it's worth the price. But I really doubt that it's fake. I took that picture and I am sharing it here para sa gustong bumili sa Amazon nito. Since APO EA gamit ko to ship these items I paid only a small amount for the freight:

Items Ordered
1 of: Monster Cable M Series Subwoofer Cable M1000 6M w/ Y
Sold by: smallfry82 (seller profile)
Item(s) Subtotal:    $34.99
Shipping & Handling:    $4.49
     -----
Total Before Tax:    $39.48
Sales tax:    $0.00
     -----
Total for this Shipment:    $39.48

Link to smallfry82's storefront:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/shops/index.html?ie=UTF8&sellerID=A1A4LU1CYHX6U8

Profile:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/seller/at-a-glance.html?ie=UTF8&isAmazonFulfilled=0&orderID=058-1750895-4442734&marketplaceSeller=1&seller=A1A4LU1CYHX6U8

He is a high rated merchant. :)
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« Reply #145 on: Aug 21, 2008 at 12:45 AM »
Congrats!  Those are great deals.

Bose AM is derided for being overpriced and of low quality. 

In contrast, Monster Cables are bashed for being overpriced, but nobody is saying that Monster's quality is bad.

Now if you can get Monster Cables at good prices, then you have the best of both worlds.

Thanks!  ;)
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« Reply #146 on: Aug 21, 2008 at 04:26 AM »
Para matulungan yung mga nagtataka kung ano ibig sabihin ni sir:

ayan naka red, tanga daw.

Pero ayon dito:

ala NBA buzzer: SINO KAYANG TAyAAAA!!!  :D

Fake sa Amazon, hahahahaha.

uy he's baaack! ;D
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« Reply #147 on: Aug 21, 2008 at 01:03 PM »
The better, yon ang gusto ko masikip ;D unlike don sa mga generics na lumuluwag :(

yes, I agree with you sir. pero pagsobrang higpit naman nagagasgas yong coating ng connector... :(
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« Reply #148 on: Aug 21, 2008 at 01:29 PM »
only problem I found with monster RCA plugs were very tight that have to be extra careful in unplugging them otherwise the female connector will be pulled out from the unit... ::)  ::)  :(  :D

There have been complaints about Monster plugs gripping too tightly.  It's true that a tight fit is a secure fit, but it's also true that if it's too tight, you risk breaking the RCA jacks on the component when connecting/removing the plug.

Browse some forum comments: http://forums.cnet.com/5208-7813_102-0.html?forumID=60&threadID=169591&messageID=1875367

The best option is an RCA plug with an adjustable fit.  I use Acoustic Research Master Series:
 


It has a screw inside.  Twist the plug clockwise to loosen, counter-clockwise to tighten.  Tighten when connected, loosen when connecting/removing.
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Re: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?
« Reply #149 on: Aug 21, 2008 at 02:08 PM »
There have been complaints about Monster plugs gripping too tightly.  It's true that a tight fit is a secure fit, but it's also true that if it's too tight, you risk breaking the RCA jacks on the component when connecting/removing the plug.

Browse some forum comments: http://forums.cnet.com/5208-7813_102-0.html?forumID=60&threadID=169591&messageID=1875367

The best option is an RCA plug with an adjustable fit.  I use Acoustic Research Master Series:
 


It has a screw inside.  Twist the plug clockwise to loosen, counter-clockwise to tighten.  Tighten when connected, loosen when connecting/removing.

That's exactly what I use for the digital coax.