Hi Excalibur, you have some good points but, this is how I see it:
Hehehe meron ngang "kung" but you implied it just the same. Making a point like that is argumentative, so, that in turn implies I made an opposite argument and saying I did not, make your "duda" statement totally pointless. Then why say it at all?
good point. eto naman kasi ang reason ko:
i think abs did use nielsen figures before
to show na they are the leading network nationwide.
so, may pinagmulan naman ang hypothetical question ko
regarding abs's willingness & trust to use nielsen figures in the future.
Yes of course, definitely. By the very nature of the request it makes it biased in favor of GMA. Would they make a formulation or request a computation that would be disadvantageous to them? Every statistician knows that statistical data can easily be slanted. That's why formulas and computations must be agreed upon by all parties involved to make it aceptable. Out of 6 VHF Networks and 7 UHF Stations, how many approved the formula? How many of them initiated the Nationwide computation which is not NORMALY PRACTICED? OBVIOUSLY that computatin is not a standard practice in the industry. Do I need to say more?
now that's info. thanx.
teka, ilan nga ba? wag mo naman ako ibitin.
If it’s not an Ad then why did GMA answered it with an Ad, that’s the point. So you can't claim that ABS-CBN did what GMA did. So it was GMA that said, ABS-CBN released the contentious figures and we should believe it? Right! I read a lot of Tabloids and Broadsheets. Its part of my Job requirement, but I never encountered such data. All I've seen is the Provincial Ratings that were itemized and not lumped together.
since sinulat ng isang broadsheet ang issue na ito,
siguro naman, may kopya din ang broadsheet/s
ng mga supposed tables computed/released by abs cbn
so that they can also verify the info released by gma.
it might be possible na sila ay may kopya ng tables
at nagkataon na ikaw ay wala.
For the sake of argument lets say ABS-CBN did released that said data, then why did GMA had to released the supposed counter-data on a different venue for a different audience? That doesn't make sense.
actually it does. strategy yun.
gma had to seek out an audience to air their ideas.
and they just chose a different audience.
I don't need to show you a denial from ABS-CBN. Not denying the claim of GMA doesn't mean anything, it does not make it true. Besides if you can't even produce or point to a single alleged claim of ABS-CBN, then how do you expect me to see a denial? The burden of proof always lies on the accuser, and that’s you, not me. hehehe
good point.
however, it is abs' duty to seek out the truth
because they are a media company.
it is abs cbn's duty to deny gma's statements
re: "over-all ratings" because being a media company
they should be a vanguard of/for truth.
(that is, if lies talaga ang sinabi sa "ads" ng gma)
in addition, sa media, battle of perception/s rin iyan.
at may kasabihan tayo na with regards to perception,
"silence usually means yes".
sa (perception at) media, the burden of proof
does not always have to be with the accuser
What!? Baka himatayin ang professors ko dati sa sinabi mo na yan! lol It might be the case for some statistical data depending on the purpose. But not here, where the contention involves regional/local statistics and figures. First of all you are going against the very principle and claim GMA is making. Which is they are number one Nationwide not just in one place (Mega Manila). How can you just factor in three Provinces and make a projection based on the percentage weighted universe that is favorable to you? How can you make an approximation for an entirely different Regional figures based on a chosen universe? That will be very lopsided or BIAS.
how about MULTI-LEVEL SAMPLING METHOD?
I think what gma-nielsen did can be imagined
kung proportional allocation ang iisipin mo.
by the way, i think mega manila includes areas
near but outside metromanila kaya malaki ang weight nila.
And furthermore the data from other provinces were readily available; there is no
reason why they should be left out. They could have easily used all the other provinces where ABS-CBN is so far ahead with the ratings, but they did not, why?
di nila gagamitin kasi makakasama sa kanila iyun.
its like abs announcing sa station nila that they are number 2 in mega manila now.
(remember, tinanong kita before about the possibility
that both of them may be deceiving the public?)
You are asking for proof? I already said the proof. You just don't want to hear them.
kasi anybody can say an estimate is bias.
but to support their statement with figures
and mathematical process will reduce subjectivity.
with regards to your proof about representation,
may expalantion ako about sampling later...
...What GMA does with it is their business, AC Nielsen is out of it...
kung kayang gawin ng gma iyon, bakit ipinagawa pa nila sa nielsen?
isnt it possible that nielsen was more capable in making the computation?
also, every time a respected seller releases a product,
he makes sure na he can stand by his product.
at laging may unspoken agreement ang seller
with their buyer na hindi dapat gagamitin ang produkto
para makasira sa seller.
i do think nielsen is smart enough to know this.
i believe they can stand by the figure they gave to gma.
Additional Explanation for your Additional Explanation:
You are not hearing me obviously. It's very evident on that Coke analogy. lol
That was precisely the point I've been making, if you only read my arguments with an open mind. You can't use a single universe and apply it to compute all different and distinct equations and problems that have their own given universe.
teka, baka naman you are talking about the population, not the universe.
the philippines can be defined as one population kasi.
one province can also be defined as a population.
so, depende sa researcher iyan.
Why? Again the programming of the Networks does not exactly mirror Mega Manila's programming and vice versa. Bawat region may localize programming and each provinces have different figures.
please explain the concept of localize programming
para naman makrespond ako ng maayos sa arguments mo.
eto kasi ang idea ko as of now:
we are talking about a rating here.
and a rating does not have a MEASURING UNIT.
(unitless sya) it is expressed in percent.
therefore, pwede mo syang i-combine with other ratings
of diff areas to obtain a weighted average.
kung ang elem, HS & college grade ay na-cocompute ang GPA
considering na totally different ang nature ng mga enrolled subjects,
diff skeds, diff teachers, diff class requirements, diff classmates, diff rooms, etc.
at accepted ito, bakit hindi sa tv rating?
To borrow your analogy; it's like tasting Coke and making a judgment based on it for the entire Coke flavors such as Vanilla, Cherry and Classic. Kung favorable sa Coke(GMA) yung review(ratings) kasi nasarapan(nagrate) sa Coke(Mega-Manila) then swerte nila. The prudent way to do it is taste all four different flavors so you can make a general conclusion that Coca-Cola Brands is good. You can’t assume or judge the four other Coke flavors based on that particular Coke nor can you make a sweeping statement that Coke Products are good based on a single flavor you tasted, because each flavors varied even if they are all Cola based.
I rest my case.
ginamit ko ang analogy na iyon to point out na
feasible at acceptable ang sampling sa diff areas.
to arrive at a generalization/conclusion na masarap ang coke.
ni hindi ko nga binanggit sa ang other coke flavors eh.
ikaw naman.
ang pinag-uusapan dito ay preference ng isang brand over another.
(abs vs. gma, remember?)
o, eto na lang ang explanation ko:
parang pepsi challenge ang ratings war.
(in this case, coke at pepsi lang ha. walang ibang flavors.)
at mag-pepepsi challenge ka sa limited number of areas
kasi may
budget at schedule ka.
...It would not be accurate to do so. Thats why the ratings only show itemize Provinces so not to misled the public...
as long as agb & neilsen will state
kung anong sampling method ang ginamit nila,
hindi na misleading iyon.