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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: Carlo777 on Dec 02, 2010 at 03:10 PM
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In reply to numerous PMs for a Christmas suggestion, here are my basic picks:
T.V 42+ and 50
1)Panasonic V20 - Still the best T.V for over-all performance
2)Toshiba XL700 - LED is looking very good with this baby
3)Panasonic X20 - Accurate colors, though reflective, it's still a great buy (A winner in the price to performance race)
4)Panasonic C10 - Last years model! If you can still find one, it's a powerful performer! Even besting the LG460 in the area of color rendition (Needs a controlled lighting environment to appreciate)
5)Sony EX700/EX600 - One of the best looking LCDs, we've come across! The only downer is the ridiculous price! If you can afford it, go for it!
More later ;)
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Nice sir!
Standby mode lang here... :)
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Nice sir!
Standby mode lang here... :)
Mamaya bossing 32 inches and our best picks para sa mga budget conscious ;)
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no lg and samsung?
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ok ba ang Panasonic x20 for PS3?
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In reply to numerous PMs for a Christmas suggestion, here are my basic picks:
T.V 42+ and 50
1)Panasonic V20 - Still the best T.V for over-all performance
2)Toshiba XL700 - LED is looking very good with this baby
3)Panasonic X20 - Accurate colors, though reflective, it's still a great buy (A winner in the price to performance race)
4)Panasonic C10 - Last years model! If you can still find one, it's a powerful performer! Even besting the LG460 in the area of color rendition (Needs a controlled lighting environment to appreciate)
5)Sony EX700/EX600 - One of the best looking LCDs, we've come across! The only downer is the ridiculous price! If you can afford it, go for it!
More later ;)
Nice to see my C10 still on top5 :)
Sir Carlo, can you explain more on this? "Needs a controlled lighting environment to appreciate"
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Mamaya bossing 32 inches and our best picks para sa mga budget conscious ;)
Sir, please include 32inches for movies and gaming...thanks!
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guys, any idea where I can get a 42v20 na panny? diba mura nalang ito ngayon?
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sir carlo, pang ilan and comment sa SAMSUNG 40C530.
and PANASONIC, matibay ba eto and no problem s mga parts if ever masira?
TIA
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@roy128
They're on the 32 inches, which I will post later.
@donpaloy
The X20 is also good for PS3 gaming
@jonm
The C10 is by nature reflective, that's why we need to watch it in a room with lower lights.
@crazyhog
That particular Samsung will be at number 7 (if my picks would be on a top ten basis), with the C650 at number 6.
More top five later:
1)32inch (over-all)
2)Top picks just for gaming
3)Top picks for movies
;)
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nice thread bro!
this should be the official, "what will i buy" this season thread ;)
guys instead of sending carlo a PM, kindly post it here. that way we can share information about the mentioned units ;D :D
p.s. lets not make this another "my tv is better than yours thread", for the benefit of would be buyers ;)
happy shopping guys!
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nice thread bro!
this should be the official, "what will i buy" this season thread ;)
guys instead of sending carlo a PM, kindly post it here. that way we can share information about the mentioned units ;D :D
p.s. lets not make this another "my tv is better than yours thread", for the benefit of would be buyers ;)
happy shopping guys!
Good idea brader! Musta na AVR mo? Si misis is driving me nuts with her new dragon ball z blu-rays...
I'll go to Sights and Sounds later, just to view the 32 inches all over again :)
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Is the Tosh XL700 LED as good as the Pana plasmas in standard DVD viewing?
TIA
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Is the Tosh XL700 LED as good as the Pana plasmas in standard DVD viewing?
TIA
No. V20 is better.
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how about panasonic 42S10 ?
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@crazyhog
That particular Samsung will be at number 7 (if my picks would be on a top ten basis), with the C650 at number 6.
for u sir carlo, is C530 better than LD460 and Y?
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Good idea brader! Musta na AVR mo? Si misis is driving me nuts with her new dragon ball z blu-rays...
I'll go to Sights and Sounds later, just to view the 32 inches all over again :)
receiver is doing great, currently doing 9.1 but mostly 7.1 wala pang bluray player eh :D
how was the PQ and SQ of DBZ? .nice collection btw! :)
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@Ninja
Not into dragon ball brader si Yuri lang ;)
@crazyhog
The S10 (Plasma) is not a very good unit for me, PQ is unusually soft even for a 1080p Plasma. My last review of the S10 was not too favorable.
The 460 is better than the C530 in-terms of color reproduction. My only gripe with the 460 is it's inconsistent quality...I do have a good number of PMs re: 460 backlight bleed.
Again and for the record...
Screen uniformity is an LCD issue, and can affect any model and brand. It's just that LG seems to have it more often.
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For the 32 inches here we go!
My picks if budget is not a concern
1)Sony 32NX500 - Great for Blu-ray and dvd. PS3 gaming is a blast
2)Samsung 32C650 - A worthy successor to the well received A650
-The Sony and Sammy models above are a bit on the pricey side but for PQ - They look really good.
The next 4 (All of which are well priced with good to very good picture quality)
1)LG 32460
2)Samsung 32C530
3)Toshiba 32RV600
4)Panasonic 32X20
Next up the budget lines
;)
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sir,
paki post ang price ng lahat ng model at brand
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sir,
paki post ang price ng lahat ng model at brand
Oh I forgot! I'll ask Vic of Sights and Sounds to post his prices since all these models were tested in his place.
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@jonm
The C10 is by nature reflective, that's why we need to watch it in a room with lower lights.
More top five later:
1)32inch (over-all)
2)Top picks just for gaming
3)Top picks for movies
;)
Thanks boss...
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This thread is really helpful. I'm looking forward to the top picks for gaming tvs (high-end and best value).
Thank you sir!
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very helpful indeed. thanks carlo777!
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Looking forward to the 32 inch budget line. LOL
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very helpful indeed!
thanks sir Carlo... Merry Christmas!
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Very much welcomed guys!
For gaming I'd take on the following: (BUDGET NOT AN ISSUE)
1)Sony NX500 or EX600 PS3 games look very crisp!
When you're more of the Xbox 360 fan, so far the best TV I've seen with the 360 is:
2)Samsung C650
A very good alternative to the Sony and Samsung is a LED T.V from Toshiba:
3)Toshiba XL700
If you're not on a budget and gaming is TOP priority for you, the TVs above will give you the best possible gaming experience (my very subjective opinion)
Next up (Gaming and movies and over-all T.Vs on a budget)
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Gaming on a budget:
These units are not as good as those I mentioned above, but they can also hold they're own and won't burn your wallet:
1)LG460
2)Toshiba RV600*
3)Samsung C530
*The RV600 has a very pleasant picture for games, and they do look like those expensive LCD based arcade systems. However, mild motion blur was seen during FPS games.
Movies and TV on a budget next...
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Very much welcomed guys!
For gaming I'd take on the following: (BUDGET NOT AN ISSUE)
1)Sony NX500 or EX600 PS3 games look very crisp!
When your more of the Xbox 360 fan, so far the best TV I've seen with the 360 is:
2)Samsung C650
A very good alternative to the Sony and Samsung is a LED T.V from Toshiba:
3)Toshiba XL700
If you're not on a budget and gaming is TOP priority for you, the TVs above will give you the best possible gaming experience (my very subjective opinion)
Next up (Gaming and movies and over-all T.Vs on a budget)
i DIG you in here.. the best talaga 'tong ex600 even without the motionflow ex500 and ex700 had. medyo in doubt lang ako sa nx500 dahil sa second glass panel nya, but it looks really cool talaga, ganda ng design kapag naka-off siya. but instead of nx500, i prefer ex400, almost same specs lang siya, hindi mo pa kelangan problemahin yung glare.
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Very much welcomed guys!
For gaming I'd take on the following: (BUDGET NOT AN ISSUE)
1)Sony NX500 or EX600 PS3 games look very crisp!
When your more of the Xbox 360 fan, so far the best TV I've seen with the 360 is:
2)Samsung C650
A very good alternative to the Sony and Samsung is a LED T.V from Toshiba:
3)Toshiba XL700
If you're not on a budget and gaming is TOP priority for you, the TVs above will give you the best possible gaming experience (my very subjective opinion)
Next up (Gaming and movies and over-all T.Vs on a budget)
Hi Sir Carlo, what would be the potential issues if the ex600 would be used for the xbox 360? (I am just curious coz' it might be because it's a Microsoft console...hehe)
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@abcerase
No issue, with the EX600 for the Xbox ;)
About the C650 and the 360, it's just that the somewhat bright nature of the Samsung goes well with the MS console.
@mikeserraon
Sony may be pricey, but yes they have very good stuff - Especially the high end models!
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@abcerase
No issue, with the EX600 for the Xbox ;)
About the C650 and the 360, it's just that the somewhat bright nature of the Samsung goes well with the MS console.
Thanks sir! One more question: which is better: EX600 or XL700 in terms of 60% gaming, 40% movies?
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Thanks sir! One more question: which is better: EX600 or XL700 in terms of 60% gaming, 40% movies?
Almost like a coin toss situation here, but I'd go for the EX600!
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Almost like a coin toss situation here, but I'd go for the EX600!
Wow! I wasn't expecting that -- it would definitely stir a game changer for my recommendations to my officemate :)
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finally, someone like me still believes in the best -- sony! yes, xl700 may have 100hz clearscan, but for me, it's not necessary for hd movies. otherwise, it will look like "the bold & the beautiful", "marimar", etc.. got my point? yes, soap opera type. for movies, it's the 24p mode, vivid and good contrast are important. i always turn-off the motionflow on my 32ex500 everytime i watch movies. so yeah, i tag with carlo on ex600.. go BE 3, if you know what i mean.. :D
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finally, someone like me still believes in the best -- sony! yes, xl700 may have 100hz clearscan, but for me, it's not necessary for hd movies. otherwise, it will look like "the bold & the beautiful", "marimar", etc.. got my point? yes, soap opera type. for movies, it's the 24p mode, vivid and good contrast are important. i always turn-off the motionflow on my 32ex500 everytime i watch movies. so yeah, i tag with carlo on ex600.. go BE 3, if you know what i mean.. :D
I guess the reason Sony is not as much as a game-changer because of it's high price tag here in the philippines...but since it's price is getting competitive (thanks to the reseller here at PDVD), it would be given back the attention that it had (i remembered my father buying a 52+ Sony Rear Projector TV more than a decade ago from Sights and Sounds rin...it conked out on us 2 years ago...sana nowadays ganun pa rin ka-reliable ng mga electronics...but I guess it's very different now)
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sir,
suggestion naman po for a 32" lcdtv 720p to be use as HTPC(pc HDmovies and pc gaming) and internet browser.
thanks sir! :)
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Mga Sir what can you say about the Toshiba 32RV700 compared to LG 32LD460 and Samsung 32C530? And how much po ang price nya? Thanks in advance for the reply.
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Mga Sir what can you say about the Toshiba 32RV700 compared to LG 32LD460 and Samsung 32C530? And how much po ang price nya? Thanks in advance for the reply.
+1
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Budget units for movie use:
1)Panasonic 42X20 (I heard that there are units that cost only 29k! No brainer! Plasma is still the best for cable and DVD)
2)Toshiba 32AV700 (For less than 20k!, this is a competent LCD with very good colors for both cable and dvd)
3)Toshiba 32CV700 (For 20K! This is great! Colors are more natural, less eye strain, and a cable booster! This is actually a better buy than the AV700 if your cable signal is weak)
Best units for your typical...
"Wala na ako pera, and magugutom ang pamilya ko pag bumili ako ng T.V this X-mas! But gusto ko pa din ng T.V"
1)Toshiba AV700 (Less than 20k! Very good for cable, dvd and even blu-ray! Toshibal colors are more natural and easy on the eye)
2)Avision 32AL58 (For a brand that does not ring a lot of bells, this performs well!)
That's it for now mga bossing! I'll be answering more specific questions as time permits, sorry for not answering PMs in a timely fashion. I'm also a moderator for a gaming site plus a lot of real world work thrown in.
Have a Christ centered Christmas and don't forget to thank him for these new toys ;)
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Have a Christ centered Christmas and don't forget to thank him for these new toys ;)
Amen. ;)
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Have a Christ centered Christmas and don't forget to thank him for these new toys ;)
Hallelujah to the Lamb :)
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Budget units for movie use:
1)Panasonic 42X20 (I heard that there are units that cost only 29k! No brainer! Plasma is still the best for cable and DVD)
2)Toshiba 32AV700 (For less than 20k!, this is a competent LCD with very good colors for both cable and dvd)
3)Toshiba 32CV700 (For 20K! This is great! Colors are more natural, less eye strain, and a cable booster! This is actually a better buy than the AV700 if your cable signal is weak)
Best units for your typical...
"Wala na ako pera, and magugutom ang pamilya ko pag bumili ako ng T.V this X-mas! But gusto ko pa din ng T.V"
1)Toshiba AV700 (Less than 20k! Very good for cable, dvd and even blu-ray! Toshibal colors are more natural and easy on the eye)
2)Avision 32AL58 (For a brand that does not ring a lot of bells, this performs well!)
That's it for now mga bossing! I'll be answering more specific questions as time permits, sorry for not answering PMs in a timely fashion. I'm also a moderator for a gaming site plus a lot of real world work thrown in.
Have a Christ centered Christmas and don't forget to thank him for these new toys ;)
Sir Carlo, did you get a chance to view the LG32-LD340? I would be interested to know how it will perform against the other models mentioned above.
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What's a good lcd (32-37in will do, for a room lang naman) with PIP and good picture quality for xbox games (something like LG's 120Hz Trumotion)? Built in media player with mkv would be good too. Is there such a model that you guys can recommend? Thanks!
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Budget units for movie use:
1)Panasonic 42X20 (I heard that there are units that cost only 29k! No brainer! Plasma is still the best for cable and DVD)
2)Toshiba 32AV700 (For less than 20k!, this is a competent LCD with very good colors for both cable and dvd)
3)Toshiba 32CV700 (For 20K! This is great! Colors are more natural, less eye strain, and a cable booster! This is actually a better buy than the AV700 if your cable signal is weak)
Best units for your typical...
"Wala na ako pera, and magugutom ang pamilya ko pag bumili ako ng T.V this X-mas! But gusto ko pa din ng T.V"
1)Toshiba AV700 (Less than 20k! Very good for cable, dvd and even blu-ray! Toshibal colors are more natural and easy on the eye)
2)Avision 32AL58 (For a brand that does not ring a lot of bells, this performs well!)
That's it for now mga bossing! I'll be answering more specific questions as time permits, sorry for not answering PMs in a timely fashion. I'm also a moderator for a gaming site plus a lot of real world work thrown in.
Have a Christ centered Christmas and don't forget to thank him for these new toys ;)
Thanks boss...have a good one too!
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Picks for those with a lot of money to burn (Movies and games)
1)Pioneer KRP 500P/600P
-No doubt, this is the best TV for movies bar none! Deep and gorgeous blacks, well defined colors, not really my favorite for games but I'll peg this at number one for being the yardstick for all TVs to follow.
2)Sony EX710
-Razor sharp definition for blu-ray and games! Not the best for dvd though but a top dollar performer.
3)Samsung C650
-Samsung may not be the best for lower end models, but up the ladder - They deliver a cutting edge LCD with the C650!
4)Panasonic V20
-The great multi-use performer! Stellar for movies wether it's for DVD or Blu-Ray. The high susceptibility for image retention may be a concern for gamers.
5)Toshiba XL700
-For it's price, and for blu-ray and games this is a solid performer.
;)
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parang hindi na masyado recommended ang c models ng panasonic lcds sa budget tvs
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parang hindi na masyado recommended ang c models ng panasonic lcds sa budget tvs
C series of Panasonic appears too grainy for me. For Panasonic LCDs the best I've seen is the S10 (LCD) model. But it's not within "budget" price and is an older model.
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thanks carlo
since recommended mo yung cv/av ng toshiba, ok ba sya sa xbox360 gaming? nabanggit kasi ni sir vic sa kabilang thread na mas ok daw yung ld360 for gaming dahil mas mabilis yung response time.
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Picks for those with a lot of money to burn (Movies and games)
1)Pioneer KRP 500P/600P
-No doubt, this is the best TV for movies bar none! Deep and gorgeous blacks, well defined colors, not really my favorite for games but I'll peg this at number one for being the yardstick for all TVs to follow.
2)Sony EX710
-Razor sharp definition for blu-ray and games! Not the best for dvd though but a top dollar performer.
3)Samsung C650
-Samsung may not be the best for lower end models, but up the ladder - They deliver a cutting edge LCD with the C650!
4)Panasonic V20
-The great multi-use performer! Stellar for movies wether it's for DVD or Blu-Ray. The high susceptibility for image retention may be a concern for gamers.
5)Toshiba XL700
-For it's price, and for blu-ray and games this is a solid performer.
;)
Sir Carlo, how about the LG LE5500/LE7500 series?
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thanks carlo
since recommended mo yung cv/av ng toshiba, ok ba sya sa xbox360 gaming? nabanggit kasi ni sir vic sa kabilang thread na mas ok daw yung ld360 for gaming dahil mas mabilis yung response time.
For gaming I'd recommend the RV series of Toshiba, the CV is known to have minor motion blurs during first person shooting games. But the colors are very good, I haven't seen the LD360
@abcerase
I haven't seen the LE7500...Are the models you mentioned for gaming? If so, I'd like to emphasize my current recs for this particular use.
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this is very helpful! nice thread sir carlo! i can't imangine how you can manage to do all these stuff! keep it up and more power!
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@abcerase
I haven't seen the LE7500...Are the models you mentioned for gaming? If so, I'd like to emphasize my current recs for this particular use.
Hi Sir Carlo, this is again for 50% movies and 50% gaming :)
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Hi Sir Carlo, this is again for 50% movies and 50% gaming :)
Di ka pa rin bumibili abcerase? 2011 na in 3.5 weeks and next year, iba na naman ang selections mo but you'd still be facing the same dilemma.
Di ba budget mo is for a V20, so I suppose at least 60K pesos ang budget. I definitely think you need a plasma AND an LCD. So might as well get the 42X20 or 42C10 for 30K for your movies, AND find another 30K LCD - dami mo nang choices non. Solb diba?
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1)Panasonic 42X20 (I heard that there are units that cost only 29k! No brainer! Plasma is still the best for cable and DVD)
How does the P42A20 compare to the P42X20? The A20 is pricier by Php 2,000
Btw, I got these prices from somewhere I don't remember...
TH-P42X20 - Php 52,900
TH-P42A20 - Php 54,900
Picks for those with a lot of money to burn (Movies and games)
1)Pioneer KRP 500P/600P
-No doubt, this is the best TV for movies bar none! Deep and gorgeous blacks, well defined colors, not really my favorite for games but I'll peg this at number one for being the yardstick for all TVs to follow.
Hurry, the distributor still has quite a few left in stock. Around 10+.
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How does the P42A20 compare to the P42X20? The A20 is pricier by Php 2,000
Btw, I got these prices from somewhere I don't remember...
TH-P42X20 - Php 52,900
TH-P42A20 - Php 54,900
Hurry, the distributor still has quite a few left in stock. Around 10+.
42x20 is just 29,500 at Sns...
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Di ka pa rin bumibili abcerase? 2011 na in 3.5 weeks and next year, iba na naman ang selections mo but you'd still be facing the same dilemma.
Di ba budget mo is for a V20, so I suppose at least 60K pesos ang budget. I definitely think you need a plasma AND an LCD. So might as well get the 42X20 or 42C10 for 30K for your movies, AND find another 30K LCD - dami mo nang choices non. Solb diba?
Di pa rin po eh :) Probably early next year...I am scouting for my officemates' needs since they don't visit PDVD often po :) Hopefully next time, it's for me already :)
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do you guys recommend 42x20 for gaming?
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do you guys recommend 42x20 for gaming?
Yes! Just like any plasma do mix gaming with other uses like cable and dvd.
@abcerase
Reviewing your posts boss, I'd say you'd be happier with a Tosh XL700.
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@abcerase
Reviewing your posts boss, I'd say you'd be happier with a Tosh XL700.
I think that's my calling too...I hope my budget will fit it, as well :) Thanks sir Carlo!
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sir carlo alam mo ba pano iadjust yong Backlight settings nito ?
Sony 40ex600 user here, lufet talaga ng PQ nito, hindi ko lang maisip kong ano pa yong black na sinasabi sa Plasma screens ?!
thanks po
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this is very helpful! nice thread sir carlo! i can't imangine how you can manage to do all these stuff! keep it up and more power!
Thanks buddy ;)
sir carlo alam mo ba pano iadjust yong Backlight settings nito ?
Sony 40ex600 user here, lufet talaga ng PQ nito, hindi ko lang maisip kong ano pa yong black na sinasabi sa Plasma screens ?!
thanks po
Sorry sir, I don't know how to do that :)
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sir i need a price on these models
also price for their 26" models as well
thanks!
1)Toshiba AV700
2)Avision 32AL58
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sir i need a price on these models
also price for their 26" models as well
thanks!
1)Toshiba AV700
2)Avision 32AL58
As far as I could remember the AV700 is around 18k and the Avision is 17k, at Sights and Sounds.
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Great features:
- auto signal booster
- powerful sound
- Light Sensor and Intelligent Backlight Control – no matter the lighting condition.
- Supports USB, HDMI and PC input.
Available at Sights and Sounds 4th level Shangri-La Plaza. Tel. 634-1789 to 90.
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2010 CHRISTMAS BEST SELLER TV
AVision:
42" 42AL69 P28500.
32" 32AL58 P16500.
PROMO:
Avision 42AL69 with 7" dvd portable P30K
Avision 42AL69 + 22AL58 = P39K.
Avision 32AL58 + 22AL58 = P24500..
Avision FULL HD 32AL69 with 7" dvd portable P18500.
Istyle:
42" L42D1 P28K
32" L32D1 P16K
Panasonic: Add P7K. for SCPT75 htib
LCD
New 32C22 P19K
Plasma
TH-P42X20 P29500. with In-housewarranty
50X20 P57K
3D
Panasonic TCP65VT20 P340K FREE 3D package.
Panasonic TCP58VT20 P250K FREE 3D package.
Toshiba: Add P7K. for SCPT75 htib
LCD
32AV700 P18K
46RV600 P65K
LED:
42XL700 P65K. Add P4K for Toshiba 7" DVD Portable Player
47XL700 P85K. Add P4K for Toshiba 7" DVD Portable Player
50XL700 P135K. Add P6K for Toshiba 10" DVD Portable Player
New Samsung: Add P7K for HTC350
LCD
LA-22C350 P12K
LA-32C530 22,000.00
LA-40C530 35,500.00
LED:
UA-32C5000 32,500.00 ADD P7K for HTC350
UA-40C5000 60K ADD P13K for HT453
UA-40C6900 71K. ADD P13K for HT453
UA-46C6900 96,000.00
UA-55C6900 165,000.00 FREE HTC555
3D LCD
55C750 P165K
3D LED
UA-46C7000 150,000.00 FREE 3D Kit
UA-55C8000 240,000.00 FREE 3D Kit
UA-63C8000 285,000.00 FREE 3D Kit
Sony
32Bx300 P21K
LG with free wall bracket. Add P10K for HT805PM:
32LD460 Full HD at P22500.
37LD460 Full HD at P29500.
42LD460 Full HD at P40K.
LED
32LE5500 P32500. ADD P5K for HT805vm
42LE5500 P69K. with FREE HT805vm
47LE7500 P104500. with FREE HT805pm
55LE7500 P139K with FREE HB965 bluray htib
3D
47LX9500 P148K with FREE 3D Kit
55LX9500 P209K with FREE 3D Kit
Pioneer:
KRP500P P135K
KRP600M P200K FREE DV-LX50
Available at Sights and Sounds 4th level Shangri-La Plaza. Tel. 634-1789 to 90.
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hi carlo777, have you seen the toshiba 32rv700? do you think it's a better buy than the 1k cheaper 32cv700?
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hi carlo777, have you seen the toshiba 32rv700? do you think it's a better buy than the 1k cheaper 32cv700?
The RV700 is a new Toshiba model which replaces the RV600...I've not seen the RV700 though. The older RV600, however, was a very good model and it looks like the RV700 is also a 32 inch FULLHD model!
It could be worth over the CV700 if you'd game a lot or use those High-Def media players and Blu-Ray which supports a full 1080p resolution...
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magkano kaya yung samsung c650?
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magkano kaya yung samsung c650?
The 32inch model retails for around 38k, while the 46inch goes for around 90k++
Send a PM to E-Reply of Sights and Sounds
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The RV700 is a new Toshiba model which replaces the RV600...I've not seen the RV700 though. The older RV600, however, was a very good model and it looks like the RV700 is also a 32 inch FULLHD model!
It could be worth over the CV700 if you'd game a lot or use those High-Def media players and Blu-Ray which supports a full 1080p resolution...
May price na po ba tayo nito Sir Carlo and what's the difference of this model compared sa RV600?
May I know also which one of this choices I had is better, the LG 32LD460, Toshiba 32RV700 or the Samsung C650? Thanks Sir Carlo for future reply.
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Sir carlo can i ask your opinion on this, which is better LGLD460 or Toshiba CV700? and do you know how much is toshiba 40" CV700?
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May price na po ba tayo nito Sir Carlo and what's the difference of this model compared sa RV600?
May I know also which one of this choices I had is better, the LG 32LD460, Toshiba 32RV700 or the Samsung C650? Thanks Sir Carlo for future reply.
Depends on what you'd use the T.V for and your budget, but off hand from these choices I'd go for the Sammy C650.
The C650 has a razor sharp picture definition and the best 32 inch FULL HD LCD in it's class.
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Sir carlo can i ask your opinion on this, which is better LGLD460 or Toshiba CV700? and do you know how much is toshiba 40" CV700?
Both are very good, colors for me, are better on the Toshiba (subjective observation). Best you see them side by side ;)
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thank you sir carlo, yung cv700 po ba may built in player din I mean pde sya pasakan ng USB at mag play ng movies? parang LD460 tsaka ok din ba sya pang gaming thank you po ulit :)
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Both are very good, colors for me, are better on the Toshiba (subjective observation). Best you see them side by side ;)
Agree! Same observation here Sir Carlo. ;D
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The RV700 is a new Toshiba model which replaces the RV600...I've not seen the RV700 though. The older RV600, however, was a very good model and it looks like the RV700 is also a 32 inch FULLHD model!
It could be worth over the CV700 if you'd game a lot or use those High-Def media players and Blu-Ray which supports a full 1080p resolution...
sorry, got lost there, pls confirm lang:
isn't is that an hd ready unit (cv700) showing 720 will scale up to 1080 (same with rv700) if your source is full hd and will give that signal using hdmi input? so technically, pantay lang yung dalawa if i use xbox (component) and my media player (hdmi).
for analog cable tv kasi iniisip ko pantay lang since may signal booster na rin.
or is my understanding of hd ready/full hd totally incorrect?
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@thenorthface
I don't know if I got your question right but "upscaled" 1080p and true 1080p is something I haven't tried on the Xbox 360. Most games play at 720p anyway, so you can get away with either Toshiba model...
When using components you can only get 720p for both units so they'd come out even.
The difference between the CV and the RV is better appreciated, when you use true FULLHD materials like Blu-Ray and certain native 1080p PS3 games.
@Vanhohenheim
That I was not able to check.
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oh ok so 720 lang pala xbox360. and then blue-ray and ps3 lang pala kaya mag-native 1080p.
now i get it. thanks for the explanation!
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ok sir carlo thank you for answering maybe ill go for toshiba hehe, sir ung sight and sounds po ba pag bibili ka sa kanila magoorder ka pa? kasi ung pinsan ko nagpunta dyan sa SnS parang wala daw silang mga LCD tv's sabi mag oorder ka pa daw totoo po ba un
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oh ok so 720 lang pala xbox360. and then blue-ray and ps3 lang pala kaya mag-native 1080p.
now i get it. thanks for the explanation!
The Xbox360 could go FULL 1080p, provided you have an HDMI connection and a game that supports FULL 1080p like Sacred 2 (If I remember correctly).
@Vanhohenheim
Not sure about the stock level of Sns, you can ask them though ;)
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@thenorthface
I don't know if I got your question right but "upscaled" 1080p and true 1080p is something I haven't tried on the Xbox 360. Most games play at 720p anyway, so you can get away with either Toshiba model...
When using components you can only get 720p for both units so they'd come out even.
The difference between the CV and the RV is better appreciated, when you use true FULLHD materials like Blu-Ray and certain native 1080p PS3 games.
@Vanhohenheim
That I was not able to check.
We're talking about 32 inchers here, right? Because as far as I know, 40cv700 is full DH already. The 32 inch variant is just HD ready though.
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We're talking about 32 inchers here, right? Because as far as I know, 40cv700 is full DH already. The 32 inch variant is just HD ready though.
Yes just the 32inches. I also have a 40inch CV700 which is a FULLHD panel.
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how is toshiba CV700 in ps3 gaming? and how much sya ngayon any idea?
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Yes just the 32inches. I also have a 40inch CV700 which is a FULLHD panel.
Sir Carlo, I know they're on a different league, but is the 42xl700 worth the extra 30k + over the 40Cv700? (I need to convince my officemate about getting it)
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how is toshiba CV700 in ps3 gaming? and how much sya ngayon any idea?
40cv700, last time i checked, at SnS is around 39k
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@abcerase
The XL700 is better than the CV700, in all aspects but if you factor "budget". We'll still say that the XL700 is better than the CV700, but is it 30 thousand pesos better? Nope! :D
@Vanhohenheim
The CV700 is a fine TV for gaming even for PS3, as most games are native to 720p anyway ;)
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@abcerase
The XL700 is better than the CV700, in all aspects but if you factor "budget". We'll still say that the XL700 is better than the CV700, but is it 30 thousand pesos better? Nope! :D
Good point, thanks so much! :)
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Good point, thanks so much! :)
I agree with Carlo77. Generally, LED is better PQ wise because it gives deeper blacks. And of course the XL700 has features that the cv700 doesn't. On the other hand, some of its features are just identical (i.e. swivel base, 4 HDMI's, etc.). But if there is one thing cv700 has that XL700 doesn't is PIP.
So for 30K add-on? No, I'll pass.
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Budget units for movie use:
1)Panasonic 42X20 (I heard that there are units that cost only 29k! No brainer! Plasma is still the best for cable and DVD)
Hi Sir Carlo,
How about for movies from my Xtreamer which are 1080p?
Will the 42X20 still be better or the 40C530?
For TV (digibox and HD from Cignal), DVDs, and downloaded movies (1080p), what would you get if you were me? :P
Thanks!!
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@markuzbrutuz
Well there are three things we have to consider when we buy a T.V
1)Contrast Ratio
2)Color Accuracy/Reproduction/Saturation
3)Resolution
Do note that in the first 2 areas (Contrast/Color) the X20 is ahead of the C530. Only in the area of resolution does the 530 gain ground. For movies, contrast and color will play a pivotal role in the performance department, only in digital games will resolution take precedent over the later.
That's the reason why Plasma is usually the format of choice of Movie/Film enthusiast. I'm not saying we diss the 530 as the X20 has it's own issues like being reflective and drawing more power.
Ultimately, we have to see for ourselves which format suits our taste.
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42X20 or 40C530 or 37LD460 or 42 AVision for movies??
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42X20 or 40C530 or 37LD460 or 42 AVision for movies??
If you don't mind a reflective screen then the X20 is the better choice. One point though, movies with a lot of digital effects also look good on LCDs.
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hi sir carlo,
what's the best 32" can you recommend for purely watching MKV movies only... mga 30-35K budget. bale connected siya sa desktop... yun lang muna purpose....
Thank you.
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hi sir carlo,
what's the best 32" can you recommend for purely watching MKV movies only... mga 30-35K budget. bale connected siya sa desktop... yun lang muna purpose....
Thank you.
1)Toshiba RV600/700
2)LG 460
3)Samsung C530
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Thanks sir carlo!
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I've read that X20 is only 720p and hd-ready, won't his be a disadvantage against full hd 1080p?
Thanks
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Hi sir Carlo, do we also have some recommendations for the mid-range prices -- for those people who would like to spend their money on a TV but "not that much"...(45k - 50k)?
i'm not sir carlo, pero, 45k-50k is a good price range if you're looking for 32in models only.. cguro, kapag 40in up.. for 45-50k budget, you can buy high end 32in models like sony 32ex600, samsung 32c650.. i don't know about other brands, biased ako sa dalawang yan eh.. ;D tsaka, dapat sinabi mo kung saan mo siya mostly gagamitin.. like me, i'll definitely use it only for bluray or dvd kaya i'm planning for Panasonic TC-P42U2, full hd plasma. kaya lang nasa 50-60k pa siya, tv lang.. gusto ko bundle kaya hinahabol ko yung P42x20 sa SNS kahit 720 lang xa.. the rest, i can buy for high end home theater..
sir carlo, ask ko lang yung prob ng c530.. baka kasi ndi ako makakuha nung p42x20 sa SNS, baka maubusan ako.. tanong ko lang kung madalas bang magka-prob ung c530 about dun sa nababasa kong may green color na nasa screen compared sa backlight bleeding problem ng ld460?? or sa 40in lang siya, pati 32in din b? isolated lang ba siya? i mean, mga 1:100 units? or nangyayari lang siya kapag more than 8hrs everyday ang gamit mo sa kanya?? TIA!! :D additional question sir carlo, which is better ht-c453 or ht-c555? thanks!!
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sir any suggestion for a 32 inch that have pip and usb (that reads movies)?
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sir vic, how is the process works if in case i'd like to upgrade my lg 37ld460 to this unit. i bought it from your store with the same price less than a month ago? naka AVR po since day1. please let me know as i'm very interested.
sir carlo, would you think it's a better decision? mostly for cable viewing and movies. hindi ko kasi masyado gusto color ng ld460 sa cable though understandably naman kasi i'm currently subscribed to an analog CATV. pero i've heard na mas superior ang plasma in these fields.
thanks
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sir any suggestion for a 32 inch that have pip and usb (that reads movies)?
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Hi sir Carlo, do we also have some recommendations for the mid-range prices -- for those people who would like to spend their money on a TV but "not that much"...(45k - 50k)?
Sorry for being not specific, I was talking about mid range prices of a 40-42inchers (around 45-55k price range) :)
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Please help me decide...
Which would you pick among these: Panasonic Plasma 42v20, Samsung LED 40C6900 or LG LED 42LE5500?
Will be used mostly for watching TV and movies (thru BD player & NMT) in my room.
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@markuzbrutuz
Well there are three things we have to consider when we buy a T.V
1)Contrast Ratio
2)Color Accuracy/Reproduction/Saturation
3)Resolution
Do note that in the first 2 areas (Contrast/Color) the X20 is ahead of the C530. Only in the area of resolution does the 530 gain ground. For movies, contrast and color will play a pivotal role in the performance department, only in digital games will resolution take precedent over the later.
That's the reason why Plasma is usually the format of choice of Movie/Film enthusiast. I'm not saying we diss the 530 as the X20 has it's own issues like being reflective and drawing more power.
Ultimately, we have to see for ourselves which format suits our taste.
Thanks!!
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@Billabong
I haven't seen the Samsung LED, and I know the LG (though good) has some viewing angle limitations, so I'd have to go for the V20.
@abcerase
Toshiba CV700 and RV600 both having very good color definition under 50k. The 42 LG460 is also a great mid-range choice.
@Heartbreak Kid
Plasma is still the best for cable T.V
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@everybody
There are a great number of experts here far far better than I am, so I'd like to invite them to give their inputs as well...
Members like barrister,Clondalkin and Ninjababez know plasma like the back of their hand ;)
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@abcerase
Toshiba CV700 and RV600 both having very good color definition under 50k. The 42 LG460 is also a great mid-range choice.
Hi Sir Carlo, is the Panasonic LCD 42U20 also a good performer (mixed gaming and movies). It's priced around 44-46k? My friend is checking this out kasi po. Thanks ulit!
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I have question :)
Between the LG 32LD460 and the Samsung LA32C550, which is preferred? I heard LG's LD series is notorious for its backlight bleed issue and Samsung also has that green tint/screen thing suddenly cropping up (and kind of expensive as well).
How prevalent are these issues?
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@abcerase
I haven't tested the U20 yet ;)
@Dan
After testing a number of LCDs, I observed that some problems are more frequent than others. The 460 seems to have backlight bleeds more often than Sammys having "green tint" issues.
Warranty should cover you well. Don't worry about these things, test your TV extensively while they're still covered.
Some TVs have quirky units when they are shipped! My Panasonic had a power issue and dead pixels(LX80), A Samsung unit of mine (A550) had HDMI problems, and some have been functioning for years without hitch (Samsung R8, Panasonic PV70)!
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^ Thanks for the insight, dude. I have my sights set on the Samsung now. The big draw of the LG was its cheaper price but I think I'm more comfortable with my decision at this point.
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Hello Carlo,
Might be getting a Sony EX710 after a few months of waiting. The only review I saw on it said that it was better than the 6 series Samsung in terms of input lag for video games.
Might get the 46" version. Any input or experience with either?
Thanks!
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Hi Sir Carlo, is the Panasonic LCD 42U20 also a good performer (mixed gaming and movies). It's priced around 44-46k? My friend is checking this out kasi po. Thanks ulit!
Bought this at SnS just last week and so far i'm very satisfied with it. Using it for playing PS3 Games, Watching DVD. Also connected to my Laptop to play HD MKV's AVI though via RGB only so i'm not maximizing the Full HD capability of the LCD when playing using my laptop(i guess i need to upgrade to a newer laptop).
I'm not an LCD expert but so far so good and very happy and satisfied with it.
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Bought this at SnS just last week and so far i'm very satisfied with it. Using it for playing PS3 Games, Watching DVD. Also connected to my Laptop to play HD MKV's AVI though via RGB only so i'm not maximizing the Full HD capability of the LCD when playing using my laptop(i guess i need to upgrade to a newer laptop).
I'm not an LCD expert but so far so good and very happy and satisfied with it.
Hi Sir, thank you for taking time in posting your opinion on this unit :)
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Might be getting a Sony EX710 after a few months of waiting. The only review I saw on it said that it was better than the 6 series Samsung in terms of input lag for video games.
Feedback from Japanese (compared with EX700)
EX700 Panel: Japanese Sharp
EX710 Panel: Korean Samsung (racist? hehehe)
At around 45 degrees, the EX710 is reported to be losing contrast compared to EX700. The general description of the EX710 image quality is, nagiging "maputi" masyado (hello Samsung tech) whilst the EX700 has excellent overall contrast even at wide angle of viewing. Then when viewed from the front, the EX710 IQ is said to be darker (dimmer LED backlighting perhaps due to lower power consumption??).
However, the EX710 has a very stylish design - if that is relevant to you, and power consumption is lower by about 30%. Do note however that such 30% is relative to an already low power consumption by the previous EX700. Hence, although 30% sounds BIG, the actual Peso savings per month would probably be around the price of a regular burger only.
Anyway, the overall grades of the EX710 thus far are not that good, mainly due to its panel/IQ. Please check out the EX700 too - that has been a remarkably popular and highly rated model for 2010.
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sir carlo777
anu po ba pinag kaiba ng samsung c550 sa c530?
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sir carlo777
anu po ba pinag kaiba ng samsung c550 sa c530?
Up for this. And how is Samsung 32C550 compared po with Toshiba 32RV700 and LG 32LD460. Thanks in advance.
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@Clondalkin
Nice input tsip! Anyway, my wife is in the market for a Sharp LCD, is there a local sharp unit that is comparable to what you guys have in Japan?
@william_pdvd08
For what use boss?
@erj2daizzo
Let me check that one out...
@Courage
Thank you for the inputs!
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Feedback from Japanese (compared with EX700)
EX700 Panel: Japanese Sharp
EX710 Panel: Korean Samsung (racist? hehehe)
At around 45 degrees, the EX710 is reported to be losing contrast compared to EX700. The general description of the EX710 image quality is, nagiging "maputi" masyado (hello Samsung tech) whilst the EX700 has excellent overall contrast even at wide angle of viewing. Then when viewed from the front, the EX710 IQ is said to be darker (dimmer LED backlighting perhaps due to lower power consumption??).
However, the EX710 has a very stylish design - if that is relevant to you, and power consumption is lower by about 30%. Do note however that such 30% is relative to an already low power consumption by the previous EX700. Hence, although 30% sounds BIG, the actual Peso savings per month would probably be around the price of a regular burger only.
Anyway, the overall grades of the EX710 thus far are not that good, mainly due to its panel/IQ. Please check out the EX700 too - that has been a remarkably popular and highly rated model for 2010.
That seems contrary to most of the posts regarding the same EX700 vs EX710 on the avs forums. Funny, I was thinking of comparing the two and the weakest link, according to the AVS people, was the AUO? panel used in the 700 compared to the Samsung panel. The Samsung having less clouding and defects thats why they suddenly moved to a new 710 series despite the 700 being out only for a few months.
For those who weren't able to keep up with that, according to the reviews on the net and AVS people, clouding was more prominent on the EX700 series on the 46 above compared to the 710.They said it was the panel they were using, the sharp, was more defective than the Samsung panel, thats why they weren't able to last six months before they had to push out a new model.
No beef with your review dude, I appreciate the different points of view, just trying to find the best set that will last me. Especially since 150k plus or minus is a lot to spend on one go.
Have you been able to compare them side by side? Do you feel, price not being an issue, there is a substantial PQ difference between a Samsung brand LED equivalent and the Sony?
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@william_pdvd08
For what use boss?
Mostly Sir on cable tv and watching movies. Thanks ulit.
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Hello Carlo,
Might be getting a Sony EX710 after a few months of waiting. The only review I saw on it said that it was better than the 6 series Samsung in terms of input lag for video games.
Might get the 46" version. Any input or experience with either?
Thanks!
It's really hard for me to do a more substantial comparison for game input lag, but the Sammy 6 is already a very good unit for gaming, so if the X710 is better in the area of input lag, then we have a winner in the 710!
One more thing I prefer the colors of the 710 over the series 6 of Sammy, even though the later already has good colors.
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Have you been able to compare them side by side? Do you feel, price not being an issue, there is a substantial PQ difference between a Samsung brand LED equivalent and the Sony?
There should be difference. There always has been because the video engines are totally different. Sony relies on Samsung or Sharp for panels alone (because they were late in joining the LCD bandwagon, thus it would be too uneconomical for them to manufacture their own panels) but they still develop their own video engine that gives identitiy to their imagery. Ibang-iba ang kulay between Sonys and Sharps and Toshibas. "Substantial" or not is totally subjective. For instance, Sharp remains the number one LCD maker in Japan because of its more accurate rendition of reds and whites...medyo magenta daw ang Sony and medyo ma-yellow ang puti -if you look very closely, the claims appear to be true, but would everyone really mind those color saturation differences at any cost?
I can check the 710 and the 700 tonight. According to feedback by the Japanese, the difference in image quality is quite apparent. We'll see. Interesting to note the differences in opinion between the Japanese and AVS which only prove further that appreciation of image quality is very subjective indeed. The only thing clear at the moment, the 710's report card is not as good as that of the 700 in Japan, or perhaps due to tricky marketing/pricing strategies, the 710 might be competing against its badder siblings like the HX or NX series.
BTW, Samsung has no market share in Japan in terms of HDTVs. That's how closed and discriminating this market is (parang car business). The Korean brands are selling only PC monitors here. I think the situation is the same in Korea too pero baliktad naman.
It's not surprising for big LCD players to release 2x a year sa dami ng competition. They normally do that in spring, summer or autumn especially for entry-level to mid-class models, hence the sched of releases of the 700 and 710 are consistent with market norms.
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@Heartbreak Kid
Plasma is still the best for cable T.V
sir carlo777 and other expert - do you think it's worthy to replace my 37ld460 with panasonic TH-P42X20? i'll use this mostly for cable viewing and movies.
thanks
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sir carlo777 and other expert - do you think it's worthy to replace my 37ld460 with panasonic TH-P42X20? i'll use this mostly for cable viewing and movies.
thanks
isn't the 460 still new and ya want to upgrade na? i remember my hubby (carlo777) asking a similar question just under a month from his samsung r8 purchase...and it became a never ending quest! i'm hoping he stops with the v20 already :) :) :)
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Hi Sir, thank you for taking time in posting your opinion on this unit :)
Oh one more thing, there's two of us who bought the unit. He said he also visits here anyway i dont know him pero mukang namang pareho kami nang mata as we are both comparing it to other LCD's there like samsung, Toshiba and Sony.. and we both ended up getting the Pana U20
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There should be difference. There always has been because the video engines are totally different. Sony relies on Samsung or Sharp for panels alone (because they were late in joining the LCD bandwagon, thus it would be too uneconomical for them to manufacture their own panels) but they still develop their own video engine that gives identitiy to their imagery. Ibang-iba ang kulay between Sonys and Sharps and Toshibas. "Substantial" or not is totally subjective. For instance, Sharp remains the number one LCD maker in Japan because of its more accurate rendition of reds and whites...medyo magenta daw ang Sony and medyo ma-yellow ang puti -if you look very closely, the claims appear to be true, but would everyone really mind those color saturation differences at any cost?
I can check the 710 and the 700 tonight. According to feedback by the Japanese, the difference in image quality is quite apparent. We'll see. Interesting to note the differences in opinion between the Japanese and AVS which only prove further that appreciation of image quality is very subjective indeed. The only thing clear at the moment, the 710's report card is not as good as that of the 700 in Japan, or perhaps due to tricky marketing/pricing strategies, the 710 might be competing against its badder siblings like the HX or NX series.
BTW, Samsung has no market share in Japan in terms of HDTVs. That's how closed and discriminating this market is (parang car business). The Korean brands are selling only PC monitors here. I think the situation is the same in Korea too pero baliktad naman.
It's not surprising for big LCD players to release 2x a year sa dami ng competition. They normally do that in spring, summer or autumn especially for entry-level to mid-class models, hence the sched of releases of the 700 and 710 are consistent with market norms.
I look forward to your comparison.
TV's aside, with all respect to any sensitivities, it doesn't surprise me that a Korean panel will get a less than favourable review compared to a Japanese panel by a Japanese reviewer. Just an observation, but the same, in reverse, happens in Korea. They don't review Japanese items or give them low marks.
AVS would seem to be a bit more neutral forum, people there are just looking for the best picture quality vis-a-vis value for money. PQ appreciation bias aside that is.
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sir carlo777 and other expert - do you think it's worthy to replace my 37ld460 with panasonic TH-P42X20? i'll use this mostly for cable viewing and movies.
thanks
isn't the 460 still new and ya want to upgrade na? i remember my hubby (carlo777) asking a similar question just under a month from his samsung r8 purchase...and it became a never ending quest! i'm hoping he stops with the v20 already :) :) :)
yes madame it's relatively new pa (under a month). kaya lang i'd like to try plasma sana (42in pa) kung malaki ba talaga diff for movies and cable viewing. it's like which is better 42in plasma hd ready vs 37in lcd full hd? never hard a chance to try plasma at home so tanong-tanong muna sa expert baka naman hindi naman ganun ka-worthy to upgrade, sayang effort :) anyways, thanks for the response.
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EX700 vs EX710 update
Here are what I gathered and observed while standing for an hour at the Sony booth in Bic Camera Ginza.
Panel maker: As for the Japanese EX700, the panel is supplied by Sharp. The 710 is not supplied by Samsung but by AUO (Taiwan). Samsung supplies the panels for the higher-end Sonys including the 3D Bravias. As for the reason for the change of supplier, well first of all, what I could gather at the booth should be considered as rumor at best but what the Sony store consultant said was intriguing – that although Sharp supplies them the panels as per agreed specs, and Sharp is consistently the number one LCD maker in Japan, Sharp seems to reserve their best products for Sharp’s own use (hehehe). I guess that statement covers most conceivable problems that Sony could have faced. As regards the overseas market, it is possible that Sony may be mixing panel makers here and there depending on level of supply and pricing levels.
At the moment, the 710 is available up to 40 inch only in Tokyo. The 46 and 52 inchers are still model 700. I can only guess that AUO can’t achieve the same level of yield as Sharp when it comes to bigger panels, or, perhaps there is a concern if a Sharp or a Samsung is not used for bigger models with LED-backlighting, specifically for the Japanese market, while it would be OK to use AUO overseas. “Stripping down” of overseas models to save on cost is a common practice by giant consumer electronic Japanese manufacturers but your guess is as good as mine.
Image Quality: Those terrible comments on the 710 are most true on the 32 inch model. For whatever reason, even though the maker of the 32 inch and the 40 inch is supposed to be the same AUO, the panels per se don’t appear to be of the same quality. The 32 inch panel is practically like a souped-up PC monitor with terrible viewing angle and rather dark image even when viewed straight front. No good desu ne.
Comparing the images of the 40 inch models is more interesting. The blacks and whites of the 700 are definitely stronger, but, the gradations in between appear to be finer on the 710. The contrast and sharpness of the 700 are striking while that of 710 is relatively subdued. However, when viewed as a whole, the 710 colors appear more natural – especially the skin tones and the yellows. So for those who actually hate aggressive contrast, the 710 would be more pleasing on the eyes. The 710 image is not as subdued as that of plasma, but gentle enough to be readily noticed when viewed beside the 700. Hence I think that if you are a big fan of movies or dark room viewing, the 710 would be great, but if you like high def TV variety shows or morning shows, then the 700 would be better.
Unfortunately, the 710 really exhibits some issues when it comes to angle of viewing. Although not as dim as the 32-inch gets, the 40-inch is clearly weaker than any other Sony model when viewed at an angle greater than 45 degrees. The 710 gets darker and it loses more contrast. On its own, the degradation of contrast and brightness is not that bad and only became more apparent because the models around it, including the 700, are able to maintain better images when viewed beyond a certain angle from the front. The swiveling pedestal that is supplied with the 710 should help somehow. Besides that, does anyone really watch TVs at obtuse angles? (actually I do when I eat at the dining area..but mine is a plasma..hehehe)
With regard to reported problems of clouding or other defects on the 700, well those kinds of problems cannot possibly be observed or simulated in demo booths.
Other Specs: Practically the same; the latest Bravia 3 Engine, LED backlighting, 120hz Tru-Motion, (pathetic) built-in speaker system, gimmicky internet portal, quantity and types of connectivity, etc. The 10% reduction in frame size is not even that dramatic when actually seen. The 30% reduction in power consumption applies only on the 32 inch model (which totally suck) so better to forget about that. In fact, the power consumption of the 40 inch 710 is 2W higher at 114W owing to the change in panel make.
In the end, and if you are not conscious of Sony’s panel supplier and angle of view, it boils down mainly to whether you prefer a striking LCD image or a slightly subdued one. On their own, the respective images of the 700 and 710 look really nice anyways - well not as nice as the HX models but that is not surprising at all.
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Clondalkin,
Thanks for the on-the-street review! Interesting to hear something straight from Japan.
It seems strange that Sony has not released the 46" 710 in Japan but has in other parts of Asia, Europe and America.
From what I gathered, there are stocks roaming around America, Asia and Europe of 46" 710s using the Samsung Panel while others use the AUO.
I'm getting all my info from a forum thread I read over the past few weeks on the AVS place while researching my buy :D
Well, for a bit above three thousand US dollars, the EX710 will have to do for me. I really hope I get lucky with the panel lottery of the 710.
Hmm, if you had to choose based on picture picture quality, among the three, which would you choose, a 6 series Samsung, a Sony EX400 or a Sony EX710?
Thanks again!
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It seems strange that Sony has not released the 46" 710 in Japan but has in other parts of Asia, Europe and America.
From what I gathered, there are stocks roaming around America, Asia and Europe of 46" 710s using the Samsung Panel while others use the AUO.
I'm getting all my info from a forum thread I read over the past few weeks on the AVS place while researching my buy :D
Well, for a bit above three thousand US dollars, the EX710 will have to do for me. I really hope I get lucky with the panel lottery of the 710.
Hmm, if you had to choose based on picture picture quality, among the three, which would you choose, a 6 series Samsung, a Sony EX400 or a Sony EX710?
Makes sense to me the mixture of Samsung and AUO big panels for the overseas market. Nakakainis man, but ganoon talaga ka-shrewd ang Sony and other LCD makers. Kung saan mura yung panel and saan stable ang supply that can meet their basic specs, binabawi nalang by tweaking the video engine.
May mas maitim na binabalak ang Sony sa Japanese market. Kasi they are pricing the premiere HX series and also the other 3D-ready LX series not that far from the EX700/710. So for those interested in TVs from 40 inch and above, the 3D Bravias are within reasonable reach. The HX series is particular is absolutely amazing in terms of image quality (I am a plasma fanboi but those premiere models of Sony and Sharp and Toshiba are EXCELLENT! - wala akong masabi except - maganda rin talaga but I still prefer a plasma hahaha.) and really sells well in this market - especially the 40HX800 - that is the bestselling LCD model from 40 inch at the moment. As I mentioned in a previous post, the EX700/710 is actually competing with its better siblings in Japan - thus no need to put so much effort in upgrading the standard series for bigger panels.
Havent seen a 6 Series Samsung in action but I suppose it's one of those models with glossy panel and LED backlighting? EX400 is not available in Tokyo but EX500 with conventional backlighting is. But then whatever the backlighting tech is, kung alin talaga maganda sa tingin mo, yun ang bilhin mo. Just get the best TV that would fit your budget and you wouldnt want to replace in about 3-5 years.
If your budget is USD3K, better check the HX or LX models too dahil baka pasok sa budget. Those models produce exceptional 2D image quality and 240Hz Tru Motion is too cool. Bonus mo nalang yung 3D function. ;) The very best 2D HDTVs are the 3D HDTVs. ;)
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sir carlo777 and other expert - do you think it's worthy to replace my 37ld460 with panasonic TH-P42X20? i'll use this mostly for cable viewing and movies.
thanks
That's a quick upgrade! Anyway, you'll notice that plasma will give you better colors for both Cable and DVD, but I'm not saying it's going to be runways apart. Do note that if your eyes are accustomed to LCDs you may find plasma to be not as "bright" but it's ok, being brighter sometimes does not mean it's better.
Also consider that plasma has a very quick response time, so that means you'll have almost no blurs during fast action scenes. My only gripe with plasma now is the fact that it still can't play 24p without flickers..
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Makes sense to me the mixture of Samsung and AUO big panels for the overseas market. Nakakainis man, but ganoon talaga ka-shrewd ang Sony and other LCD makers. Kung saan mura yung panel and saan stable ang supply that can meet their basic specs, binabawi nalang by tweaking the video engine.
May mas maitim na binabalak ang Sony sa Japanese market. Kasi they are pricing the premiere HX series and also the other 3D-ready LX series not that far from the EX700/710. So for those interested in TVs from 40 inch and above, the 3D Bravias are within reasonable reach. The HX series is particular is absolutely amazing in terms of image quality (I am a plasma fanboi but those premiere models of Sony and Sharp and Toshiba are EXCELLENT! - wala akong masabi except - maganda rin talaga but I still prefer a plasma hahaha.) and really sells well in this market - especially the 40HX800 - that is the bestselling LCD model from 40 inch at the moment. As I mentioned in a previous post, the EX700/710 is actually competing with its better siblings in Japan - thus no need to put so much effort in upgrading the standard series for bigger panels.
Havent seen a 6 Series Samsung in action but I suppose it's one of those models with glossy panel and LED backlighting? EX400 is not available in Tokyo but EX500 with conventional backlighting is. But then whatever the backlighting tech is, kung alin talaga maganda sa tingin mo, yun ang bilhin mo. Just get the best TV that would fit your budget and you wouldnt want to replace in about 3-5 years.
If your budget is USD3K, better check the HX or LX models too dahil baka pasok sa budget. Those models produce exceptional 2D image quality and 240Hz Tru Motion is too cool. Bonus mo nalang yung 3D function. ;) The very best 2D HDTVs are the 3D HDTVs. ;)
I thought about considering the HX or LX when a friend brought it up on facebook. Then I realized they don't offer the HX models here. They do have NX models, but the price points are pretty far apart.
The EX710 goes for about USD3,500 plus or minus while the 46" NX costs about 4,500. Too much of a stretch. I just want to jump from SD to HD. LOL
I'd have an HX imported if the warranty would be respected here.
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Common and redundant questions from PMs:
1)How can a Panasonic X20 (HD ready TV) be better than some FULLHD LCD?
-This has been said a numer of times, and I'll just do a re-post
"There are three things we have to consider when we buy a T.V
1)Contrast Ratio
2)Color Accuracy/Reproduction/Saturation
3)Resolution
Do note that in the first 2 areas (Contrast/Color) the X20 is ahead of xxx. Only in the area of resolution does xxx gain ground. For movies, contrast and color will play a pivotal role in the performance department, only in digital games will resolution take precedent over the later.
That's the reason why Plasma is usually the format of choice of Movie/Film enthusiast. I'm not saying we diss the xxx as the X20 has it's own issues like being reflective and drawing more power.
Ultimately, we have to see for ourselves which format suits our taste."
More later...
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I have question :)
Between the LG 32LD460 and the Samsung LA32C550, which is preferred? I heard LG's LD series is notorious for its backlight bleed issue and Samsung also has that green tint/screen thing suddenly cropping up (and kind of expensive as well).
How prevalent are these issues?
Mga sirs,
Also, torn between LG 32LD460 and Samsung LA32C550. Please help review & compare these units.
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^ Thanks for the insight, dude. I have my sights set on the Samsung now. The big draw of the LG was its cheaper price but I think I'm more comfortable with my decision at this point.
Sure, do let us know what you decided on.
@everybody
Just a few more days and Christmas is here! I'd really appreciate it, if you post pics of your Christmas buys, does not matter whether you followed the advises given here or not.
I love pictures of new T.Vs and their boxes along with happy/satisfied comments!
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@everybody
Just a few more days and Christmas is here! I'd really appreciate it, if you post pics of your Christmas buys, does not matter whether you followed the advises given here or not.
I love pictures of new T.Vs and their boxes along with happy/satisfied comments!
sir Carlo,
for your appreciation... followed your advice of Panny 42X20...
loving it...
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sir Carlo,
for your appreciation... followed your advice of Panny 42X20...
loving it...
Great! For settings the most natural is "Cinema" set to "Warm".
:)
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Great! For settings the most natural is "Cinema" set to "Warm".
:)
omg !! carlo why did you share my secret calibrated settings :D
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Great! For settings the most natural is "Cinema" set to "Warm".
:)
Im a two day old pana 42x20v user..thanks to this board. And to sir vic and sir carlo.... :)
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You're welcome guys! A lot of folks went out to buy a 42X20 at Sights and Sounds, I think the 29k price tag with the TVs stellar performance reeled a lot of peeps in ;)
@ninjababez®
Oo nga brader! Best kept secret pala natin yan
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@ninjababez®
Oo nga brader! Best kept secret pala natin yan
mga sir, you'll be blessed for SHARING your secret... Merry Christmas!
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Hello,
I'm the Father in law of carlo777 and I'm Japanese with past work in electronic company that is long popular with TV. I'm happy to see that carlo and my daughter yuri is active in a field that is very important for me. Carlo ask me if I could post my technology of choice for excellent movie watching and regular TV shows.
My choice if and when price and quality is concerned is only 2 TV
1)Panasonic V20/X20
Based on so many TV units we saw here and what is available in the Philippines. The V20/X20 makes for colors very close to studio monitors used in Japan for movie testing. Colors are very important more important than actual number of resolution. The technology that drives plasma makes for more accurate colors for color correction purposes when reproducing video.
I spent many times in front of a da vinci 2k plus system to hope and say that plasma cinema mode set to warm is as close as you can get to actual movie broadcast.
Most Lcd brand now is catering to the concept of brighter at a glance is better. This works well for showroom but not too well when it is brought home already. But we can say that it ends in actual taste of the customer.
Right now I stay with my son in law and daughter in Corinthian Quezon city for the holiday. You're country has made so much progress and I like the Tutuban mall very good and very cheap.
If time permits I can do more post about colors and film transfer and remaster. Also more on the technical side of TV.
Happy holiday.
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mga sir, you'll be blessed for SHARING your secret... Merry Christmas!
on a serious note, it is always up to you. nagkataon lang na ang settings namin worked for you :D
again it is always your preference, would you believe that ECO mode works well with my setup ;D
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Very enlightening message from sir kenji1950.
Sir, please post more technical info regarding flat panels.
Thank you for your post and welcome to PDVD!!!!!!!!!!!
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Great! For settings the most natural is "Cinema" set to "Warm". :)
On the V20, I now prefer AUTO (contrast) mode. It works quite well in terms of regulating the brightness and contrast depending on lighting conditions while maintaining very natural colors.
Oh, YOKOSOO Kenji1950-san. I haven't been to the Tutuban Mall. hehehe
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That's a quick upgrade! Anyway, you'll notice that plasma will give you better colors for both Cable and DVD, but I'm not saying it's going to be runways apart. Do note that if your eyes are accustomed to LCDs you may find plasma to be not as "bright" but it's ok, being brighter sometimes does not mean it's better.
Also consider that plasma has a very quick response time, so that means you'll have almost no blurs during fast action scenes. My only gripe with plasma now is the fact that it still can't play 24p without flickers..
Hi sir carlo!
Thanks to your recommendations, I also got me a panny 42X20 :)
Super duper happy with the PQ!
However, just a question... when i use my Xtreamer Pro (thru hdmi cable), there are random white flickering pixels all around the screen when i use 1080p setting on the xtreamer output, and less (but still there) for 720p setting. these all disappear when i go down to 560p.
For cable or DVD (both thru RCA for now), there is zero flickering white pixels (like twinkling stars).
Would you know why? TIA!
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I hope you don't mind if I post my opinion in the meantime while we wait for sir Carlo's reply.
My guess is that you're experiencing what U.S. forums call HDMI "sparklies" or "sparkles".
Don't believe the outdated view that HDMI video is "all or nothing". This means that if your HDMI path and connection are OK, you get a perfect picture; if not, you get a blank screen.
That's not true.
When an HDMI signal starts failing, the first sign is digital dropouts, where some pixels can't be read. Those dropouts are manifested as "sparklies" on the monitor. When digital dropouts worsen, the digital data reaching the monitor becomes so low that total failure occurs, manifested as a blank screen on the monitor.
Sparklies are caused by defective HDMI cables, plugs, sockets, and anything in the HDMI path that can produce digital dropouts. It can also happen when the HDMI cable is too long, maybe longer than 50 feet.
You say the sparklies disappear when you switch to a lower resolution. Maybe your dropouts happen only with higher resolutions, because the cable has to carry a higher bandwidth. Lower resolution = lower bandwidth = dropouts less likely.
You say there are no sparklies with RCA cables on DVD and cable TV. That's not surprising. RCA cables pass analog signals (HDMI cables pass digital signals). Analog component video is a very robust signal type, much more robust than HDMI digital signals. Analog component cables can run over 200 feet without boosters, relays, etc., with no loss of signal quality.
I suggest that you try a different HDMI cable. I've heard of many HDMI problems solved by simply replacing the HDMI cable.
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I agree with you sir barrister.
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@barrister
You just snagged a burning question in my mind! This is a follow up question to your answer, given that the "all or nothing" no longer applies. I've been having an internal debate on whether the cost of a Monster HDMI cable may or may not be worth it.
Right now, I'm using Planex HDMI cables (Purchased in Amazon JP), so far there are no issues with them. Will buying a more expensive "Gas Injected" HDMI like monster improve visuals?
Many thanks Tsip!
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thanks sir barrister!
what type of hdmi cable would you recommend and about how much would that go for? I'm just using the one that came with the xtreamer kasi. I've also heard about 1.3, 1.3b, 1.4.. what should i get?
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thanks sir barrister!
what type of hdmi cable would you recommend and about how much would that go for? I'm just using the one that came with the xtreamer kasi. I've also heard about 1.3, 1.3b, 1.4.. what should i get?
Sorry, sir. I can't recommend a brand.
That's because HDMI cable shopping is a trial-and-error thing. Even if you get a good, expensive HDMI cable, you can still have problems if the HMDI ports on your TV and player were not built to exact specs, thereby producing loose connections.
Cheap HDMI cables can also work fine. On thread posts here at pinoydvd, I've read about CDR-King HDMI cables doing fine on some setups, but many users have reported problems.
I suggest a mid-priced brand.
I've always used mid-priced HDMI cables so far, about P1,300 each, more or less. But I've never had any HDMI connection problems. Most of them came from Cardinal Audio in Greenhills, mga China lang. My latest cable is an Audio Pro from Handyman (China din), which I used on the HDMI port of my Pioneer SD DVD player. OK naman.
As for the HDMI version, just get the latest.
The latest HDMI version is HDMI 1.4, released on May 28, 2009. I think 1.4 versions (China-made ones included) have been widely available here since the start of 2010.
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Got my Samsung LA32C550 last Saturday :) Using an HDMI cable from CD-R King to play games from my PC ;D No lag at all with Street Fighter 4 and NFS: Hot Pursuit.
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Sorry, sir. I can't recommend a brand.
That's because HDMI cable shopping is a trial-and-error thing. Even if you get a good, expensive HDMI cables, you can still have problems if the HMDI ports on your TV and player were not built to exact specs, thereby producing loose connections.
Cheap HDMI cables can also work fine. On thread posts here at pinoydvd, I've read about CDR-King HDMI cables doing fine on some setups, but many users have reported problems.
I suggest a mid-priced brand.
I've always used mid-priced HDMI cables so far, about P1,300 each, more or less. But I've never had any HDMI connection problems. Most of them came from Cardinal Audio in Greenhills, mga China lang. My latest cable is an Audio Pro from Handyman (China din), which I used on the HDMI port of my Pioneer SD DVD player. OK naman.
As for the HDMI version, just get the latest.
The latest HDMI version is HDMI 1.4, released on May 28, 2009. I think 1.4 versions (China-made ones included) have been widely available here since the start of 2010.
thanks sir!
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Right now, I'm using Planex HDMI cables (Purchased in Amazon JP), so far there are no issues with them. Will buying a more expensive "Gas Injected" HDMI like monster improve visuals?
I'm not familiar with Planex, but if sir Clondalkin thinks it's OK, then I'm sure it's fine.
Ordinary HDMI cables are fine, as long as you think they were built to correct specifications and tolerances. If you think they're really poorly-made, such as the CDR King ones, then that's the type you should avoid.
As for Monster, I've never liked it as a company. "Nitrogen Gas Injected Dielectric"? Ano yun? :D
Overpricing is the marketing style of Monster cables. But at least Monster makes good products. They're not as bad as Bose, which overprices yet makes poor products :P.
Will buying a more expensive "Gas Injected" HDMI like monster improve visuals?
Hell, no. :D
You won't see any improvement, I assure you ;).
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Here's a good HDMI bech test from audioholics:
Long HDMI Cable Bench Tests - Monster Cable Shootout
Why "Just Buy ANY HDMI Cable" Advice is Wrong… Sort of
by Clint DeBoer — last modified July 08, 2008
(http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/long-hdmi-cable-bench-tests/image)
I decided to write this article the first time I saw another writer say "HDMI is digital - it either works or it doesn't." Then I saw that statement get repeated over and over. The problem is that HDMI isn't like a digital coax audio cable - it can degrade partially and produce sparkles and snow. We'll illustrate some of this below.
http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/long-hdmi-cable-bench-tests
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....I've been having an internal debate on whether the cost of a Monster HDMI cable may or may not be worth it.
Right now, I'm using Planex HDMI cables (Purchased in Amazon JP), so far there are no issues with them. Will buying a more expensive "Gas Injected" HDMI like monster improve visuals?
Hi Carlo, PLANEX is OK. PLANEX is not generic and well known in the Akihabara district as a maker of bazillion types of cables, connecting devices, networking devices, computer peripherals and gadgets, etc., and they don't lie about compliance to specific (new) standards that are applicable to a cable or device. Next time you buy a 103V or the future 150V, then thats the time to invest on a sexier looking cable. But it doesnt have to be a Monster. Panasonic's own HDMI and that of Sony are just about the cutest HDMIs Ive seen to date.
Basta yung hindi lang nakasupot ng plain plastic or paper bag and then totally plain ang dating ng cable itself, that should be reliable already. Kung gusto mong mataas na standard na HDMI, test mo Viera Link function (but you need another Viera Link compatible device other than your Plasma).
Pero kung type mo lang, go ahead and buy a Monster - but again, the Panasonics and the Sonys are the cutest. ;) Hindi na kailangan yung HDMI cable na worth as much as the X20...hehehe
Kung meron gustong mag-try ng Japanese brand cables, puede ko kayong padalhan on Jan 2. Any brand you want at cost - basta you pick up sa bahay. Im using both Sony and Panasonic and both of those brands costed me about 4,500 Yen (about 2.4K Pesos) for the 2-3m length. Same same din ang prices ng JVC sa major stores but I think I can find the same item cheaper at the Akihabara district. Mas mura yung BUFFALO brand (that Japanese computer accessory maker) pero maganda rin especially the flat type cable.
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Thanks for the picks. I am leaning towards the 50 x20 based on what I have read here due to it being great for movies and also capable with games. The price is also great for a 50 incher. However I will be using this not only for blu ray films or ps3 games but as a computer monitor as well. I read comics, surf, watch chinese tv series and sometimes work at home. Currently, I am using a 37 inch crt tv. Will the x20 be appropriate given my usage?
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Sir,
Please help, I just bought a panasonic TH-P42x20 bundled with SCPT75 HT, what is your recommended set-up/calibration??
Thanks in advance
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If you think they're really poorly-made, such as the CDR King ones, then that's the type you should avoid.
As for Monster, I've never liked it as a company. "Nitrogen Gas Injected Dielectric"? Ano yun? :D
Overpricing is the marketing style of Monster cables. But at least Monster makes good products. They're not as bad as Bose, which overprices yet makes poor products :P
The Avant salesman tried to upsell me a monster HDMI cable for P4,000 along with my LCD purchase. I didn't even let him finish his pitch anymore.
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OT: AFAIK Monoprice have great shielded HDMI cables w/ very affordable prices. Last HDMI cable I bought from CDRKing have ferrite cores. But another CDRKing cable I have that does not have ferrite cores produces random red streaking lines on the display. Not really sure if the ferrite cores "really" make a difference.
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@barrister
Great! I won't buy the Monster cable anymore.
@Clondalkin
Nice info about the Planex! It sounds like an interplanetary condom brand, hence, my initial doubt. My father in-law said the same thing.
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I also picked up the C530 (Thanks sir Vic). I do have a question for the experts though.
I connected my old Mac Mini to the lcd via a dvi-to-vga cable. What cable could I use for the audio? The Mini has an "optical digital audio output/headphone" minijack. What's the cable to link it to the "DVI Audio In (Mini Jack)" of the C530?
Thanks!
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I hope you don't mind if I post my opinion in the meantime while we wait for sir Carlo's reply.
My guess is that you're experiencing what U.S. forums call HDMI "sparklies" or "sparkles".
Don't believe the outdated view that HDMI video is "all or nothing". This means that if your HDMI path and connection are OK, you get a perfect picture; if not, you get a blank screen.
That's not true.
When an HDMI signal starts failing, the first sign is digital dropouts, where some pixels can't be read. Those dropouts are manifested as "sparklies" on the monitor. When digital dropouts worsen, the digital data reaching the monitor becomes so low that total failure occurs, manifested as a blank screen on the monitor.
Sparklies are caused by defective HDMI cables, plugs, sockets, and anything in the HDMI path that can produce digital dropouts. It can also happen when the HDMI cable is too long, maybe longer than 50 feet.
You say the sparklies disappear when you switch to a lower resolution. Maybe your dropouts happen only with higher resolutions, because the cable has to carry a higher bandwidth. Lower resolution = lower bandwidth = dropouts less likely.
You say there are no sparklies with RCA cables on DVD and cable TV. That's not surprising. RCA cables pass analog signals (HDMI cables pass digital signals). Analog component video is a very robust signal type, much more robust than HDMI digital signals. Analog component cables can run over 200 feet without boosters, relays, etc., with no loss of signal quality.
I suggest that you try a different HDMI cable. I've heard of many HDMI problems solved by simply replacing the HDMI cable.
sir barrister/carlo,
i have a similar problem but this time when the scene is all BLACK... the screen seems to blink and there is color bleeding on the first few frames before it becomes normal. im using a Sammy HTIB via HDMI. i notice that this happens everytime the scene is BLACK...
very prominent dun sa intro ng planet earth before the globe appears, dark and all black kse - the screen blinks and then some color bleed before it goes normal.
what could be the problem. TIA.
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help guys. just got my X20 last night. ano po un advise nyu picture settings during break in?
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sir barrister/carlo,
i have a similar problem but this time when the scene is all BLACK... the screen seems to blink and there is color bleeding on the first few frames before it becomes normal. im using a Sammy HTIB via HDMI. i notice that this happens everytime the scene is BLACK...
very prominent dun sa intro ng planet earth before the globe appears, dark and all black kse - the screen blinks and then some color bleed before it goes normal.
what could be the problem. TIA.
That's not a typical HDMI dropout.
To trace a problem, you first isolate the possible source of the problem. Try playing the scene using a different player. If it plays fine with a different player, something's wrong somewhere in your Sammy HTiB. If the same thing happens even with a different player, you'll have to look elsewhere to trace the problem.
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That's not a typical HDMI dropout.
To trace a problem, you first isolate the possible source of the problem. Try playing the scene using a different player. If it plays fine with a different player, something's wrong somewhere in your Sammy HTiB. If the same thing happens even with a different player, you'll have to look elsewhere to trace the problem.
yeah, my initial hunch is the HTIB. but i recall not having this problem when the same HTiB is connected to a Sammy LCD. i tried using the same disc on another dvd player via RCA, the scene was okay.
will try to isolate again this weekend. only problem is, my PS3 is broke and i only have one source (sammy htib) that can connect to the X20 via HDMI.
thanks for the reply sir.
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mga sir magkano po samsung la37c550 or c530 instalment 12 mos or 6 mos sa SNS balak ku bumili dis week at available po b?
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good day po, newbie here pero long time looker here at pinoy dvd forum. Very interested po to purchase at SnS pero ang layo ko nga lang i'm at baguio kasi. Baka may marecommend po kyo na bilihan dito n mura at maganda rin after sales. TIA and merry xmas .
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hi survey lang ako kung maganda ba yung Avision na 42in full hd tv. :-\ meron na bang negative feedbacks bout this model? balak ko kasi bumili this christmas. may nabasa ako sa isang thread dito na halos kapantay nya ang Samsung Series 5 40'' sa specs and PQ. Available pa rin po ba yung 42'' + 22'' bundle?
thanks po in advance sa mga magrereply...
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yeah, my initial hunch is the HTIB. but i recall not having this problem when the same HTiB is connected to a Sammy LCD.
Maybe the HTiB was not yet malfunctioning at the time.
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@shane05
You can send a PM to E-Reply
@rayeth_04
No idea outside Metro Manila, sorry!
@immobulus
Ok naman ang picture ng Avision, but I don't know the "build quality".
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Sir Carlo ask ko lang kung may major difference ba between an Avision with 120Hz and the units with only 60Hz?i was soooo excited to get this one until nadiscover ko na 60Hz nalang pala ang mga bagong units. wala ng motion flow feature T_____T
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Sir Carlo ask ko lang kung may major difference ba between an Avision with 120Hz and the units with only 60Hz?i was soooo excited to get this one until nadiscover ko na 60Hz nalang pala ang mga bagong units. wala ng motion flow feature T_____T
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Sir Carlo ask ko lang kung may major difference ba between an Avision with 120Hz and the units with only 60Hz?i was soooo excited to get this one until nadiscover ko na 60Hz nalang pala ang mga bagong units. wala ng motion flow feature T_____T
There is a difference tsip! The 120hz has a more refined motion flow over the standard 60hz, but for me. I've never been a fan of these motion flow enhancements because they make the film look unnatural.
Ask our dealers if the Avision supports 24p playback, if it does, your better off with that feature.
Personal opinion lang tsip! The Toshiba XL700 also has this blazing fast 100hz capability but I always keep it off.
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Sir another question po. The newer units of AVision with 60hz refresh rate has this so called 'True Motion Plus' feature. Does that mean na magmumukang telenobela parin yung mga 24p Movies? if yes, would there be an option to turn it off? sorry for being so dumb about these things..
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brader Carlo777 medyo OT pero what is 24p? kasi my LG LH35 60HZ ang refresh rate and 1080p resolution.
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brader Carlo777 medyo OT pero what is 24p? kasi my LG LH35 60HZ ang refresh rate and 1080p resolution.
AFAIK yung 24p is basically 24 frames per second. Majority of movies are shot in this format, thus giving them the 'cinematic feel' correct me if im wrong.
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24p is basically 24 frames per second
wont that cause the 60hz and higher to pulldown the frames? di kaya masira?
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AFAIK yung 24p is basically 24 frames per second. Majority of movies are shot in this format, thus giving them the 'cinematic feel' correct me if im wrong.
That's basically right. But more accurately, 24 frames per second is "24fps", the frame rate of film projectors in cinemas.
The term "24p" is used for home video. It means "24 progressive frames per second" (the "p" stands for "progressive").
However, displaying home video at 24p still won't exactly mimic the cinema film projectors. Movie projectors usually have a "double shutter", or sometimes a "triple shutter". They don't just project the film at 24fps without shutters.
I've compared 24p and 60p on my TV, hoping to get the most cinematic cadence possible. To my dismay, 24p actually looked worse than the regular 60p.
wont that cause the 60hz and higher to pulldown the frames? di kaya masira?
No, hindi masisira. Normal na normal ang 60Hz. Nearly every movie you see on a flat panel is displayed at 60Hz, pulled down. Only the newer TVs are 24p capable, and even then, most owners of those newer TVs use them at the default setting of 60p.
Did you know that most Blu-ray discs are encoded at 23.976p, while very few of them are encoded at true 24p? It's too long a story to discuss on this thread. Maybe on another, more appropriate thread.
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thanks for the insights mga brader. ung 24p produced by my total media theatre 5 (PC) doesnt really looks different from the normal 60fps by powerdvd, well maybe i dont have a keen eye for this and as long as it wont bug down my tv im ok
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so what's this thing called 'True Motion plus' and how does it differ from the technology called 'Motion Flow'? can a LCD tv with only 60hz refresh rate be integrated with this 'True Motion Plus' feature? i already consulted my friend Google but cant seem to find a good comparison between the two.
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thanks for the insights mga brader. ung 24p produced by my total media theatre 5 (PC) doesnt really looks different from the normal 60fps by powerdvd, well maybe i dont have a keen eye for this and as long as it wont bug down my tv im ok
Don't worry about it. 60p is still the best so far.
Ang 24p tech, palpak pa rin up to now.
so what's this thing called 'True Motion plus' and how does it differ from the technology called 'Motion Flow'?
Motion Plus and MotionFlow are not technical terms, but commercial names from manufacturers for marketing purposes.
The technical term is "Motion Interpolation Technology".
Samsung's name for its proprietary motion interpolation is "Motion Plus". Sony names its tech as "MotionFlow".
Panasonic calls it "IFC" (Intelligent Frame Creation); LG calls it "TruMotion"; Toshiba calls it "ClearScan"; Philips calls it "HD Digital Natural Motion".
Motion interpolation generates intermediate animation frames and inserts those generated frames in between original frames. If there are 24 frames per second, the software produces intermediate frames by guessing how those in-between frames would look like, to produce a total of 120 progressive frames per second.
For example:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Motion_interpolation_example.jpg/700px-Motion_interpolation_example.jpg)
3 original frames. Motion interpolation tech generates 2 additional frames and inserts them to produce 5 frames total.
Therefore, only the 3 original frames are real. The 2 additional ones are fake, generated by the software ;). You can imagine the potential for processing errors. I'm sure sasablay yan, if the action on a given scene is very fast, or if you have a very long scene with continuous camera pans.
can a LCD tv with only 60hz refresh rate be integrated with this 'True Motion Plus' feature?
Don't call it "refresh rate". The term started with CRT monitors, sometimes called the "horizontal scan rate". The term is not applicable to LCD screens, but it was mistakenly carried over to LCD due to common usage.
60Hz format is a progressive NTSC video frame rate. You need a higher frame rate if you're going to insert additional frames into 60Hz. So if you have motion interpolation, the frame rate should be higher than 60Hz.
Motion interpolation usually uses 120Hz & 240Hz for NTSC sources, since 120 & 240 are divisible by 60 (NTSC) and divisible by 24 (frame rate of film). Motion interpolation for PAL sources usually use 100Hz & 200Hz, since 100 & 200 are divisible by the progressive PAL frame rate of 50p.
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Great info barrister!
To add to that, whenever I switch on the 100hz Clear Scan Pro of the XL700, during slow pans of certain movies like "The Dark Knight" you could clearly see a screen tearing that's really awful. This is also evident when 24p smooth film is switched on but does not appear during regular 24p.
*Opening of "The Dark Knight" Blu-Ray when the camera pans across Gothams buildings.
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Ah, yes. I remember I gave that scene as an example for comitatus, so she can look for judders in a long scene with continuous panning.
When googling about those tech things, it's very important to get your terminologies right. Otherwise, it's going to be so confusing, you're going to find it really hard to wrap your head around these new technologies.
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i'm leaning towards the toshiba 47xl700 (for gaming mostly). i just want to know how it would compare with my old LG 32lh70yr. baka kasi masyadong malaki expectations ko sa improvements, if there is any. thanks mga sirs! :)
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brader barrister and Carlo777 thanks but how about the 3d requirements on lcd tv? why does it have to be 120hz or 240hz?
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That's easy.
60Hz is a spec for progressive NTSC video. For 3D, you need 60Hz for each eye. Lower than 60Hz per eye is unwatchable due to flicker.
Minimum of 60Hz per eye = Minimum of 120Hz for both eyes.
A 3D panel must be capable of at least 120Hz.
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i'm leaning towards the toshiba 47xl700 (for gaming mostly). i just want to know how it would compare with my old LG 32lh70yr. baka kasi masyadong malaki expectations ko sa improvements, if there is any. thanks mga sirs! :)
ask ko lang ulit if anyone can compare the LG lh70yr with the toshiba xl700. excited lang po. :-\
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ask ko lang ulit if anyone can compare the LG lh70yr with the toshiba xl700. excited lang po. :-\
The difference between the two is that the XL700 has better color rendition over the LG in-question. What you'll get are deeper blacks and a better screen uniformity.
For digital games, do note that the LH70 is already a darn good TV for the PS3! So you'll probably just have a few notches up the ladder there.
Lets see:
For dvd:
XL700>LH70
For Blu-Ray:
XL700>LH70
For Games:
XL700>LH70 but this one has to be really close
For Cable:
XL700>LH70
:)
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Hi Sir carlo,
Btw I am simplyCarlo ;D
Pa-recommend nmn po ako ng LCD TV. My choices is between 22" or 32".
Gagamitin ko sya sa work. Bale dual monitor sana. Connected sa Laptop.
Advisable ba na gamitin ung 32" sa work??? "dual monitor ang set up"
Di kaya lumabo kaagad mata ko sa 32"???
Anu po ba unit na masusugest nyo. My current budget now is 20K ---- ipon lng ng typical working student.
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thanks carlo777, you have really helped me decide. keep up the good work! ;)
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@simplyCarlo
A guy named Ninjababez is the best person to ask when it comes to TV for PC use but here is my take...
Since, it will be used as a PC monitor, may I suggest you get the most affordable FULLHD 1080p (1980x1080) LCD. Your take should be the LG460, which is still reasonably priced or if you're on a tight budget, any LCD TV with a resolution of 1280x720 or 1360x768 will suffice.
Now, if you'll just use this for work, may I say we skip the LCDTV route, and just go for high resolution PC LCD monitors.
Samsung, LG and Chimei offer HDMI capable 1080p high res monitors for great prices.
Let me know.
@bbathala
No problem, Merry Christmas buddy!
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@simplyCarlo
A guy named Ninjababez is the best person to ask when it comes to TV for PC use but here is my take...
Since, it will be used as a PC monitor, may I suggest you get the most affordable FULLHD 1080p (1980x1080) LCD. Your take should be the LG460, which is still reasonably priced or if you're on a tight budget, any LCD TV with a resolution of 1280x720 or 1360x768 will suffice.
Now, if you'll just use this for work, may I say we skip the LCDTV route, and just go for high resolution PC LCD monitors.
Samsung, LG and Chimei offer HDMI capable 1080p high res monitors for great prices.
Let me know.
Thanks for the quick reply.
I will also use it as a TV.
I am working at home as a freelancer. That is why I want also to watch TV/movie while working, ;D
My biggest question right now is, diba lalabo mata ko sa 32"?
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Thanks for the quick reply.
I will also use it as a TV.
I am working at home as a freelancer. That is why I want also to watch TV/movie while working, ;D
My biggest question right now is, diba lalabo mata ko sa 32"?
The truth always comes out! (Kidding) ;D ;D ;D
For me, anything larger than a 22inch monitor will blaze my sights at under 2 feet. I guess you should test and see it for yourself. Your pair of eyes may be greater than mine.
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The truth always comes out! (Kidding) ;D ;D ;D
For me, anything larger than a 22inch monitor will blaze my sights at under 2 feet. I guess you should test and see it for yourself. Your pair of eyes may be greater than mine.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
para di boring ;D
un nga inaalala ko tlaga. b
kaya baka 22" nlng bilin ko.
anu po recommended nyo unit na 22" LCD TV???
btw ung 20k eh sana may matira para my allowance ako nxt year ;D
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@simplyCarlo
I would still recommend an LCD monitor, but if you really want a lesser than a 32 inch LCD TV/Monitor. You could check out the Sony 22BX300, I believe that is being sold for under 20k and offers a 1080p capable display with a native rez of about 1366 X 768p.
One more thing, if you say, watching TV, does that mean we're simply taking about cable TV?
Thanks.
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One question, anyone please, with this i will decide> just for room, cable, dvd, currently 29crt>
42x20 vs 32RV7/CV7 > power consumption comparison > heaven and earth? would anyone know wattage for both?
would appreciate your inputs, thanks and Merry Christmas.
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42X20 : 230 watts
32RV700 : 108 watts
32CV700 : 92 watts
all based on their sites, bro..................
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@simplyCarlo
I would still recommend an LCD monitor, but if you really want a lesser than a 32 inch LCD TV/Monitor. You could check out the Sony 22BX300, I believe that is being sold for under 20k and offers a 1080p capable display with a native rez of about 1366 X 768p.
One more thing, if you say, watching TV, does that mean we're simply taking about cable TV?
Thanks.
kung LCD monitor recommended nyo, napaicip tuloy ako bigla. ::)
baka Ok na sakin ung 18.5" or 22" LCD monitor.
anu po ba recommended nyo na 18.5" or 22" na bang for the bucks??? ;D
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kung LCD monitor recommended nyo, napaicip tuloy ako bigla. ::)
baka Ok na sakin ung 18.5" or 22" LCD monitor.
anu po ba recommended nyo na 18.5" or 22" na bang for the bucks??? ;D
late last year 22inch AOC was selling like 6,900 to 7,100, you could check at PCXpress, 7279506, might be a lot lower this time.
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napag isip isip ko lng.
LCD TV po tlga needs ko..
sana may marecommend kayo mg master. :D
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napag isip isip ko lng.
LCD TV po tlga needs ko..
sana may marecommend kayo mg master. :D
Since you put it that way, and your budget is around 20k then go for the Toshiba 32AV700 (720p) TV. It has natural colors and won't bleed your eyes as much.
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kung 22" anu po suggestion nyo?? ung pang bang for the bucks nlng muna. ;D
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kung 22" anu po suggestion nyo?? ung pang bang for the bucks nlng muna. ;D
At that size I'd really push for a dedicated LCD PC monitor, but I do remember a Toshiba 22AV500. It's a 2008 model and I saw one attached to a laptop and was great as a PC monitor, but I'm not sure if it's still available.
Do check if the Chimei 24V700D is available already! It's a 24 inch FULLHD TV, that may fit your needs and budget.
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alright, thanks for your advice,
Is it possible to use a tv tuner on a LCD monitor?
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alright, thanks for your advice,
Is it possible to use a tv tuner on a LCD monitor?
Yes sir. Used to own a Chimei 24EH and used an AVerMedia AVerTV Box Genie I TV Tuner. The TV tuners usually go for around 1.8K pero and daming 2nd hand na available ngayon. Acceptable na yung Picture Quality niya for Cable TV viewing. This TV Tuner model comes with its own speaker on the unit itself pero sobrang pangit ng tunog. Kinabitan ko pa ng external speakers para mas maganda ang output.
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after kong mag isip isip.
nakapag decide na ko na for movie viewing and working nlng muna ang purpose.
kaya LCD na lng..
so pa-recommend namn po ng 18.5" - 22" la LCD. bang for the bucks.
mas maganda kung both size bigay nyo.
TIA ;D
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42LD460 at P38K.
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Merry Christamas Folks!
Hope this thread was of some use to you guys!
Can't wait til next years batch of wonderful toys!
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Merry Christamas Folks!
Hope this thread was of some use to you guys!
Can't wait til next years batch of wonderful toys!
Thank you for your time, Sir Carlo! This was an enlightening thread!
Merry Christmas!
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Hi Guys,
Merry XMas.
ow.. almost 3hrs nlng at Christmas na... kaso di pa din ako nakakabili... :(
pahabol lang
Pa-Review nmn po nito.. Please. :D
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,126535.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,126535.0.html)
TIA ;D
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Hi Guys,
Merry XMas.
ow.. almost 3hrs nlng at Christmas na... kaso di pa din ako nakakabili... :(
pahabol lang
Pa-Review nmn po nito.. Please. :D
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,126535.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,126535.0.html)
TIA ;D
hi bro did you get my reply?
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Merry Christmas to ALL!!!
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Next year, it would be 3D for sure :). Merry Christmas!
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Merry Christamas Folks!
Hope this thread was of some use to you guys!
Can't wait til next years batch of wonderful toys!
This thread was extremely helpful. Thank you sir!
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This was a good year! Along with 2008! Hope to have a better one come 2011...
Cheers!
Picks for 2008:(Not in any form of performance order)
1)Panasonic PV80
2)Sony X450
3)Samsung A650
4)Toshiba CV500/AV500
5)Samsung A550
6)Panasonic LX80
Picks for 2009:
1)Panasonic C10
2)Toshiba RV600
3)LG LH70
;)
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Hi Guys,
Merry XMas.
ow.. almost 3hrs nlng at Christmas na... kaso di pa din ako nakakabili... :(
pahabol lang
Pa-Review nmn po nito.. Please. :D
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,126535.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,126535.0.html)
TIA ;D
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,126535.0.html