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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: barrister on Mar 07, 2007 at 01:54 PM
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Plasma owners, please post!
Kawawa naman ang mga plasma fanboys, walang makausap! ;D
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Let's get this thread rolling ;D
I have a Hitachi 42PD8500TA. Just got it last Feb 22.
I read about the break-in period and break-in DVD. However I just learned about it after I purchased. I hope it will not do some harm to my TV with out the break-in. What I do now is just to lower all the settings:
- Contrast = -10 to 0
- Brightness = -5 to 0
- Color = -10 to 0
- Sharpness = -15 to 0
- Color temp = Cool most of the time
- Black level Enhancement = Low
- Luminance Manager = OFF
I tweak the picture depending on the source/movie, to fit my taste.
Even with this very low settings, the PQ is very good, vivid and detailed still.
Have you tried calibrating your plasmas using DVE or similar calibrating tool? Please share your settings.
What are some DOS & DONTS that we need to know to take care of our plasma TV's?
I'm just using a progressive scan Pioneer dvd player right now, connected through component connection. And I'm thinking of buying an upscaling one with HDMI. Any recommendation?
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it would help siguro if we will have price updates here also. yung mga lcd's medyo kabisado ko na presyo pati na the best places to get one. pero sa plasma wala pa masyado idea saan siya available, the models available locally and corresponding prices. TIA.
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Sana may mag-compile ng models and corresponding prices. In the meantime, dagdag n'yo na yung akin:
Panasonic Viera TH-42PA60M (42" EDTV) P120k on Jan. 15, 2007 at Avid in Robinsons Marcos Highway, Cainta. No freebies other than pedestal stand.
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What are some DOS & DONTS that we need to know to take care of our plasma TV's?
A plasma panel's phosphors age fastest during the first 100 hours of use. Hence, the risk of burn-in is highest during this time. To minimize the possibility of burn-in, the following are advised during the first 100 hours:
1. Turn down the contrast and brightness settings to the middle of the available adjustment range or lower. --- This is the most important advice.
2. Avoid black bars by using a viewing aspect ratio that completely fills the screen.
3. Check the 4:3 mode and confirm that the side bars are set to "Mid", or "Bright".
4. TV channels with stationary logos should not be viewed for extended periods of time.
5. Avoid extended display of static images such as video games, computer images, DVD menu screens, etc.
Note: Distinguish between "burn-in" and "image retention" (or "IR") --- burn-in is permanent; IR is temporary.
Don't worry too much about breaking in the TV. If your panel has good phosphors, it's unlikely that burn-in will appear even if you did not break it in. If the panel has bad phosphors, burn-in may still occur despite break-in.
The practice of breaking in a plasma panel is a carry-over from the early days of the technology. I have a feeling that it would not be necessary on my panel, but I still did it just to be sure.
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Plasma break-in DVD:
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm (http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm)
From the author:
It is basically a set of 20 images that are 720p native resolution. The images are full screen colors so that the entire screen is 1 color at a time. The colors go from a white to a dark grey in 5 gradients, white to blue in 5 gradients, white to green in 5 gradients and white to red in five gradients.
CAUTION: Pag nag-hang ang player mo, yari ka! :o
I recommend tuning into a TV station and zooming in at maximum to crop the station logo from the picture, then leaving the TV on 10 hours a day for 10 days.
These days, burn-in is a non-issue for good plasma panels. The consensus is that the risk of burn-in for good plasmas is about the same as the risk of burn-in for CRT TVs.
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I'm just using a progressive scan Pioneer dvd player right now, connected through component connection. And I'm thinking of buying an upscaling one with HDMI. Any recommendation?
The most popular these days is Pioneer 696AV; but Oppo (not available locally) is reputedly the best.
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Sana may mag-compile ng models and corresponding prices. In the meantime, dagdag n'yo na yung akin:
Panasonic Viera TH-42PA60M (42" EDTV) P120k on Jan. 15, 2007 at Avid in Robinsons Marcos Highway, Cainta. No freebies other than pedestal stand.
i bought a panasonic viera th-42pa60h from the home theater for only 90k. would you know what's the difference with your model? the specs are almost the same.
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The 60M is the model from Panasonic Philippines; the 60H is not. The only other country where I found the 60M on the web is in South Africa.
60H is a parallel import, but as far as I know, it's also a 2006-2007 9th generation model. I really can't see any difference between the two models, so it's quite possible that they're exactly the same.
A google search shows that the 60H is a model distributed in Singapore, with SRP at SGD$2,700. If it's a Japan panel, then the price was very good. And even if it's not a Japan panel, quality might be exactly the same. Honestly, I would have bought the 60H instead if I had known about it. ;D
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@tyler, ako naman magtanong, where did you buy that viera 42" for 90k? interestedc ako bigla. yung 42p9500t 100k ang qoute sa akin.
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I hope the prospective buyers compile a price list.
Thanks to sir gearhead's price list suggestion, we now have P90k as the record holder for a 1st-tier 42" plasma.
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I got the Hitachi 42PD8500TA for 118K (from a SRP of 157K) for 18mos. 0% interest. The 42PD9800TA was the first model I like, but they can only give it at 150K (SRP 198K), for the same payment terms. This is from Ansons ATC. I got a Sigma AV rack for free.
The 100K quote for the 42PD9500TA is I think a very good bargain. Where was this quoted?
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@tyler, ako naman magtanong, where did you buy that viera 42" for 90k? interestedc ako bigla. yung 42p9500t 100k ang qoute sa akin.
it's from the home theater but i paid it in cash that's why i got a good price.
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A plasma panel's phosphors age fastest during the first 100 hours of use. Hence, the risk of burn-in is highest during this time. To minimize the possibility of burn-in, the following are advised during the first 100 hours:
1. Turn down the contrast and brightness settings to the middle of the available adjustment range or lower. --- This is the most important advice.
2. Avoid black bars by using a viewing aspect ratio that completely fills the screen.
3. Check the 4:3 mode and confirm that the side bars are set to "Mid", or "Bright".
4. TV channels with stationary logos should not be viewed for extended periods of time.
5. Avoid extended display of static images such as video games, computer images, DVD menu screens, etc.
Note: Distinguish between "burn-in" and "image retention" (or "IR") --- burn-in is permanent; IR is temporary.
Don't worry too much about breaking in the TV. If your panel has good phosphors, it's unlikely that burn-in will appear even if you did not break it in. If the panel has bad phosphors, burn-in may still occur despite break-in.
The practice of breaking in a plasma panel is a carry-over from the early days of the technology. I have a feeling that it would not be necessary on my panel, but I still did it just to be sure.
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Plasma break-in DVD:
CAUTION: Pag nag-hang ang player mo, yari ka! :o
I recommend tuning into a TV station and zooming in at maximum to crop the station logo from the picture, then leaving the TV on 10 hours a day for 10 days.
These days, burn-in is a non-issue for good plasma panels. The consensus is that the risk of burn-in for good plasmas is about the same as the risk of burn-in for CRT TVs.
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The most popular these days is Pioneer 696AV; but Oppo (not available locally) is reputedly the best.
Really good to know those tips barrister. Thanks for that.
Buti na lang, I usually set my TV on the soft side. Kaya mababa na rin mga settings ko sa plasma ko. I think I can even live with these low settings (mid to below-mid of the scale) , the picture quality is already acceptable for me.
And it's also my habit to really zoom the movies that have black bars in order to make it fit the whole screen. Sayang kasi yong screen size na kasama sa binayaran ;D. I only watch movies with black screen with sources that don't have good quality, because the degradation in picture is so obvious when zoomed. But I use the Panoramic zoom just to minimize the area of the black bars with these not so good DVDs.
I'm not using it for broadcast viewing right now because of the logos of most if not all TV shows. Saka bawas na rin sa hours of use. Medyo mataas rin kasi rating ng power consumption, 380W. One factor that I totally forgot because I was impressed with the PQ when I auditioned it, after auditioning a number of LCDs. But I read somewhere here and at the other forums that plasmas don't really consume that much energy all throughout; that it depends on whether the scenes displayed are bright or dark, and also depends on the settings of the brightness and contrast. Please correct me if I'm wrong about this.
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it's from the home theater but i paid it in cash that's why i got a good price.
No wonder ;D Mr SGT really offer good deals. When I bought my sub from him he was also offering Toshiba LCDs at good prices. I didn't know he's also carrying plasmas. I could have gotten it from him instead.
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Buti na lang, I usually set my TV on the soft side. Kaya mababa na rin mga settings ko sa plasma ko. I think I can even live with these low settings (mid to below-mid of the scale) , the picture quality is already acceptable for me.
My reference image is still film in a movie theater. And that is as it should be, since a movie is intended to be seen in a theater, not on a TV. Hence, when viewing a movie at home, the picture should look as close as possible to that seen in the theater. That's why I still watch movies in theater from time to time. And that's why I'm still not satisfied with even the best LCD monitors -- they just can't reproduce a film-like image.
You will notice that if you calibrate your plasma to produce an image that looks like the one seen in a theater, you will end up with very low contrast and brightness settings. So, sa tingin ko, baka tama pa nga ang settings mo. Mas accurate na, mas hahaba pa ang buhay ng phosphors.
Another thing I notice is that most of our members hate to see a grainy picture. Hindi na siguro sila nanonood ng sine. Sometimes, film grain is intentional. It's just a "look" that the director prefers as an artistic choice. In fact, there's one movie that was shot in digital, pero nilagyan pa ng fake film grain, and the effect was awful --- it's Superman Returns.
I remember the showroom display of Philips Pixel Plus CRT around 2001. Demo movie nila ay Gladiator. Kabisado ko na ang picture ng Gladiator, and it has intentional film grain. The Philips Pixel Plus demo was showing Gladiator with a very smooth picture, and some of our members loved it! Like looking through a window daw. To me, it looked absolutely awful, like it was a home video shot on a Handycam. Instead of a high budget blockbuster, it looked like a cheap telenovela.
But I read somewhere here and at the other forums that plasmas don't really consume that much energy all throughout...
The fact is that the first plasma units really consumed a lot of power. These days, OK lang ang power consumption ng plasma, just about the same as LCD or slightly higher than LCD.
... that it depends on whether the scenes displayed are bright or dark, and also depends on the settings of the brightness and contrast. Please correct me if I'm wrong about this.
That's right.
LCD has a constant backlight, so it never changes regardless of whether the scene displayed is bright or dark (except for newer models with adjustable backlights). To display a bright scene, the LCD element is off so that the backlight can pass through. Dark scenes will actually cause the unit to consume more power since the LCD element has to activate to block the backlight.
Sa plasma, it's the opposite. A bright scene consumes more power because the pixel is activated; a dark scene consumes less power because the pixel is simply turned off.
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I'm just using a progressive scan Pioneer dvd player right now, connected through component connection. And I'm thinking of buying an upscaling one with HDMI. Any recommendation?
Aside from the Pioneer that Barrister recommended, I recommend that you also buy the MG-35 HDD player, you will be surprised what this little toy can do, plus the fact that you can manage the screen size filling up the whole screen without any picture cropping.
Pioneer 696AVS for the HDMI, and the MG-35 for the component inputs to maximize your 720p and 1081i. ;D
BTW, both are very very affordable(what the heck, your'e a Plasma owner, of course you can afford these wonderful toys to go with it) ;)
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buy the MG-35 HDD player,
i have the 696, what brand is this mg-35 hdd player?
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Mediagate, here's the thread;http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=60377.msg643053#msg643053 (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=60377.msg643053#msg643053)
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thanks.
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My reference image is still film in a movie theater. And that is as it should be, since a movie is intended to be seen in a theater, not on a TV. Hence, when viewing a movie at home, the picture should look as close as possible to that seen in the theater. That's why I still watch movies in theater from time to time. And that's why I'm still not satisfied with even the best LCD monitors -- they just can't reproduce a film-like image.
When I watch a movie I'm also trying to remember how the movie looked like. That's why sometimes I lose some of the film's plot because I'm more focused on trying to remember the level of brightness & contrast, texture of the film. ;D
You will notice that if you calibrate your plasma to produce an image that looks like the one seen in a theater, you will end up with very low contrast and brightness settings. So, sa tingin ko, baka tama pa nga ang settings mo. Mas accurate na, mas hahaba pa ang buhay ng phosphors.
The low settings that I use looks better at night when it's dark, just like in the movies. My personal gauge is on bright scenes, it should not "hurt" my eyes; bright yet comfortable to the eyes.
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Aside from the Pioneer that Barrister recommended, I recommend that you also buy the MG-35 HDD player, you will be surprised what this little toy can do, plus the fact that you can manage the screen size filling up the whole screen without any picture cropping.
Pioneer 696AVS for the HDMI, and the MG-35 for the component inputs to maximize your 720p and 1081i. ;D
BTW, both are very very affordable(what the heck, your'e a Plasma owner, of course you can afford these wonderful toys to go with it) ;)
I also planned to buy the MG-35. I got sidetracked on this plan when the one selling at Festival mall didn't have a 350GB hdd. My allocated fund for this got diverted too ;D
I just came from ATC and was able to see the Pio696 in action using HDMI displayed through a Pioneer Plasma. Looks great, really smooth and vivid, at 1080i and 720p. This is considering that the Ultraviolet DVD they're using is a p-dvd. I was more impressed with it than the one I also checked, just before the 696, a Samsung BD player playing through a Samsung LCD, playing a BD demo disk.
A 50K player vs. 6.8K one, valuewise, I would not yet aspire for the existing BD players, if I can have a picture quality with this upscaling dvd player that is not really too far from HD. That's my personal opinion.
I may get the Pio696 this Saturday.
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I just came from ATC and was able to see the Pio696 in action using HDMI displayed through a Pioneer Plasma. Looks great, really smooth and vivid, at 1080i and 720p. This is considering that the Ultraviolet DVD they're using is a p-dvd. I was more impressed with it than the one I also checked, just before the 696, a Samsung BD player playing through a Samsung LCD, playing a BD demo disk.
A 50K player vs. 6.8K one, valuewise, I would not yet aspire for the existing BD players, if I can have a picture quality with this upscaling dvd player that is not really too far from HD. That's my personal opinion.
I may get the Pio696 this Saturday.
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well since this IS a plasma thread,
"maybe its because the BD was playing on an Sammy LCD and the 696 was playing on a Pio PLASMA" ;)
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I just came from ATC and was able to see the Pio696 in action using HDMI displayed through a Pioneer Plasma. Looks great, really smooth and vivid, at 1080i and 720p. This is considering that the Ultraviolet DVD they're using is a p-dvd. I was more impressed with it than the one I also checked, just before the 696, a Samsung BD player playing through a Samsung LCD, playing a BD demo disk.
A 50K player vs. 6.8K one, valuewise, I would not yet aspire for the existing BD players, if I can have a picture quality with this upscaling dvd player that is not really too far from HD. That's my personal opinion.
I may get the Pio696 this Saturday.
well since this IS a plasma thread,
"maybe its because the BD was playing on an Sammy LCD and the 696 was playing on a Pio PLASMA" ;)
Maybe the BD would look better on a Plasma display ;)
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the logic is undeniable, until our eyes prove us, or the bias blinds them (or us)
i wonder what would happen if we do a side by side using the best of both panel using a single source in HD format, just wondering ;)
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...i wonder what would happen if we do a side by side using the best of both panel using a single source in HD format, just wondering ;)
It would have been great if we were able to do this before we have purchased our respective displays. Just like what were done with audio equipments (amps, speakers, cables) by friends I know from PDVD. At the stores they're reluctant doing this. If somebody could arrange this? ??? ;D
But whatever the result would be, one side would get disappointed; however, we must learn to enjoy what we have right now, but keep positive that you'll get a better one someday. ;D
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When I watch a movie I'm also trying to remember how the movie looked like.
That's what I mean. If the user is a stickler for reproduction accuracy, he will choose a plasma over an LCD.
When I watch a movie I'm also trying to remember how the movie looked like. That's why sometimes I lose some of the film's plot because I'm more focused on trying to remember the level of brightness & contrast, texture of the film. ;D
Madali lang naman once you get used to a movie's "look". No need to to make a mental photo of the movie. It's unlikely that you saw a perfect reproduction of the film anyway. Marami kasing factors. Sometimes the projector is slightly out of focus, sometimes mali ang framing, sometimes madilim -- parang luma na yung bulb ng projector, ayaw pang palitan, nagtitipid yata yung management. :D
The low settings that I use looks better at night when it's dark, just like in the movies. My personal gauge is on bright scenes, it should not "hurt" my eyes; bright yet comfortable to the eyes.
Calibration of brightness and tint are the most difficult. Other settings are easy to adjust according to preference, but brightness and tint are difficult to get right without the aid of test patterns. As a zero expense solution, I use THX Optimizer to calibrate brightness and tint; for all other settings I just use personal preference, with the objective of producing the most film-like quality possible.
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Calibration of brightness and tint are the most difficult. Other settings are easy to adjust according to preference, but brightness and tint are difficult to get right without the aid of test patterns. As a zero expense solution, I use THX Optimizer to calibrate brightness and tint; for all other settings I just use personal preference, with the objective of producing the most film-like quality possible.
With your Panasonic, how are your usual settings for the Brightness and Tint? The THX Optimizer you're referring to is the one that are usually in dvd's that are THX certified? Or it's a separate disc?
For me right now, the brightness is a little higher than the contrast, but still below the mid point of the scale, usually about 5 scales down. Tint right now is set to 3 scales to RED and sometimes at 0. These are just usual settings right now. I tweak most of the time. Di naman kaya masira ang plasma kung adjust ng adjust? ;D
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There's only 1 variant of the THX Optimizer, and it's the one included free in THX certified DVD discs, that's why I referred to it as a zero expense solution. The THX Optimizer's test patterns include only the most basic ones. I only need brightness and tint test patterns, so it's more than enough for me.
I don't go into the service menu. It's very dangerous. I read in a U.S. forum about this guy who accessed his Panasonic service menu just to check the number of hours used. After exiting the service menu, he immediately noticed clay faces on the unit despite the fact that he never adjusted any service menu setting. If you mess up service menu settings, it's possible that even an authorized technician would not be able to fix it.
Finalize settings after the 100 hour break in period. If you calibrate before the completion of break in, the picture will still change, so you will have to recalibrate.
On my Panny, adjustment scales are 0 to 100. My permanent settings are:
1. Brightness = 46. Test pattern on THX Optimizer indicates 44, but I increased setting 2 notches up to slightly increase black level shadow detail.
2. Color = 28. Test pattern indicates 33 to 35, but I reduced color to minimize "Red Push" (oversaturation of reds despite correct saturation of other colors). Even the best LCDs naturally have a much worse red push. Plasmas naturally have more accurate colors with very minimal red push.
3. Tint = 54. Same as test pattern result, 4 clicks above midpoint toward green.
4. Contrast = 46. Trial and error lang, no test pattern used.
5. All processing modes off.
Hindi naman masisira kahit adjust nang adjust ng settings.
After you get it right, you won't need to readjust unless you encounter a DVD that's obviously incorrectly mastered. DVDs are mastered with standard calibrations, and I would estimate that about less than 1% of them are incorrectly mastered.
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the logic is undeniable, until our eyes prove us, or the bias blinds them (or us)
i wonder what would happen if we do a side by side using the best of both panel using a single source in HD format, just wondering ;)
Visit Tokyo right now and have fun in Bic Camera, Yodobashi Camera, Kojima or Yamada. Sharp Aquos vs Panasonic Viera smackdown galore all day long! Isama mo na rin yung Bravia.
I tell you what could happen; either lalo kang di makakatulog, or you'd be able to decide right away. :) Problem with viewing a Plasma and an LCD in a big store, the place is usually well lit, thus, advantage sa LCD. However, it would still be easy to see how smooth the plasma look is and how much better the colors are.
By the way, if you see the best of both panels, you'd probably have second thoughts buying the cheaper models and makes. :)
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Da best siguro sa Tokyo!
Panny plasma vs Sony Bravia LCD, both native full HD panels using HD-DVD or Blu ray, both properly calibrated ... I'm sure it will be a very close match. Now, that would be sight to see.
By the way, if you see the best of both panels, you'd probably have second thoughts buying the cheaper models and makes. :)
With this kind of a purchase, it pays to be brand conscious. It's extremely difficult to make a good flat panel, so it's expected that only the first tier manufacturers can produce a competent product.
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its because of the big amount involved that we often try to search for a cheaper panel with an acceptable pq, unfortunately as we all have experienced, this is not an easy task. Once price and pq clash, sometimes if not most of the time, the former is often the priority for people, sacrificing the latter which hopefully does not frustrate the buyer in the next few years they'll be together, aray! so for a few more thousands, maybe the better panel is worth it, ipon na lang muna to get the best! patience is trully a virtue ;)
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For me, it's PQ first and foremost.
Once price and pq clash, sometimes if not most of the time, the former is often the priority for people, sacrificing the latter ...
If I can't get a flat panel with good PQ, I'd rather have a CRT.
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Got the Hitachi 42PD8900TA last December. Php145,000.00.
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ditto
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For me, it's PQ first and foremost.
If I can't get a flat panel with good PQ, I'd rather have a CRT.
The very reason I went for a plasma too.
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There's only 1 variant of the THX Optimizer, and it's the one included free in THX certified DVD discs, that's why I referred to it as a zero expense solution. The THX Optimizer's test patterns include only the most basic ones. I only need brightness and tint test patterns, so it's more than enough for me.
I don't go into the service menu. It's very dangerous. I read in a U.S. forum about this guy who accessed his Panasonic service menu just to check the number of hours used. After exiting the service menu, he immediately noticed clay faces on the unit despite the fact that he never adjusted any service menu setting. If you mess up service menu settings, it's possible that even an authorized technician would not be able to fix it.
Finalize settings after the 100 hour break in period. If you calibrate before the completion of break in, the picture will still change, so you will have to recalibrate.
On my Panny, adjustment scales are 0 to 100. My permanent settings are:
1. Brightness = 46. Test pattern on THX Optimizer indicates 44, but I increased setting 2 notches up to slightly increase black level shadow detail.
2. Color = 28. Test pattern indicates 33 to 35, but I reduced color to minimize "Red Push" (oversaturation of reds despite correct saturation of other colors). Even the best LCDs naturally have a much worse red push. Plasmas naturally have more accurate colors with very minimal red push.
3. Tint = 54. Same as test pattern result, 4 clicks above midpoint toward green.
4. Contrast = 46. Trial and error lang, no test pattern used.
5. All processing modes off.
Hindi naman masisira kahit adjust nang adjust ng settings.
After you get it right, you won't need to readjust unless you encounter a DVD that's obviously incorrectly mastered. DVDs are mastered with standard calibrations, and I would estimate that about less than 1% of them are incorrectly mastered.
We have approximately same level of settings. But still I will try using the THX Optimizer.
What movies are THX certified? Might buy one.
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THX Optimizer ko ay from Pirates of the Carribean and Star Wars, both Region 1. Meron din siguro sa Region 3.
Eto pa:
The R3 version of Titanic (3-disc) has a THX Optimizer.
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For me, it's PQ first and foremost.
If I can't get a flat panel with good PQ, I'd rather have a CRT.
Yes, but if you want DVD viewing for a hometheater experience, you'll have to go widesceen. Unfortunately, there are no widesceen CRTs available locally except for Samsung slimfit (which a lot of people are complaining about) and the pier TVs (which really is a crap shoot on how long it will last plus it is really a pain moving a 32 inch CRT TV).
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does the THX Optimizer come with blue, red and green filters to adjust Saturation and Hue? or a sample yellow strip to compare the yellow with? just curious kasi how you'll adjust these settings without the filters as basis/guide.
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THX Optimizer ko ay from Pirates of the Carribean and Star Wars, both Region 1. Meron din siguro sa Region 3.
Just tried it during my lunch break. Even the p-dvd of Pirates have it.
I ended with the following settings:
- Brightness: 0 or 50% of the scale
- Contrast: 0 or 50%
- Color: -10 or 25%
- Tint: 0 or mid point, not based on THX since I don't have the needed color filters
- Sharpness: -15 or 0%
I little higher than my usual. It may also be because I did it in the middle of the bright day.
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does the THX Optimizer come with blue, red and green filters to adjust Saturation and Hue? or a sample yellow strip to compare the yellow with? just curious kasi how you'll adjust these settings without the filters as basis/guide.
For color saturation you will need a sample color of magenta or cyan. But without it, just look for the red color. Then look for color bleeding. The red should be as red as possible without bleeding.
For the Hue or Tint, I also don't have the required filters, so I just set it to mid point, balance between RED and GREEN, as long as the skin tones are acceptable to me.
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Guys, I went to Glorietta yesterday for the appliance exhibit and went to Hitachi booth. While inquiring about the newer models, one the the salesperson approached me and started "Sales talking". I told him I already got my 8900 from Listening room. He then showed me a letter apparently from Hitachi Japan stating that The Listening Group is not an authorized dealer and service center since September 2006. He said that the warranty is not from Hitachi but from Listening Group only and will not accept units sold by Listening room. What gives here? Please enlighten me. Is this true? Where can I have my Hitachi serviced in case it broke down?
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Guys, I went to Glorietta yesterday for the appliance exhibit and went to Hitachi booth. While inquiring about the newer models, one the the salesperson approached me and started "Sales talking". I told him I already got my 8900 from Listening room. He then showed me a letter apparently from Hitachi Japan stating that The Listening Group is not an authorized dealer and service center since September 2006. He said that the warranty is not from Hitachi but from Listening Group only and will not accept units sold by Listening room. What gives here? Please enlighten me. Is this true? Where can I have my Hitachi serviced in case it broke down?
you'll have to ask the Listening Room. :(
warranty claims is the problem with grey or parallel units. so better buy from authorized dealers instead so you'll have peace of mind just in case.
hopefully, nothing goes wrong with your unit so you won't need to claim anything.
g'luck!
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Guys, I went to Glorietta yesterday for the appliance exhibit and went to Hitachi booth. While inquiring about the newer models, one the the salesperson approached me and started "Sales talking". I told him I already got my 8900 from Listening room. He then showed me a letter apparently from Hitachi Japan stating that The Listening Group is not an authorized dealer and service center since September 2006. He said that the warranty is not from Hitachi but from Listening Group only and will not accept units sold by Listening room. What gives here? Please enlighten me. Is this true? Where can I have my Hitachi serviced in case it broke down?
when did you get your unit? did they (Listening Room) make any representation that it was factory warrantied? does your receipt indicate any warranty details? its an open secret that LR also sells grey units.
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Got it December 2006. They said it had a one year warranty. Just present the receipt.
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Got it December 2006. They said it had a one year warranty. Just present the receipt.
Yup its pretty much true. The warranty will be honored by the Listening group. Don't worry about it, they have been in the business long enough and we haven't heard anything really negative about their service. Just relax and enjoy your TV.
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Guys, I went to Glorietta yesterday for the appliance exhibit and went to Hitachi booth. While inquiring about the newer models, one the the salesperson approached me and started "Sales talking". I told him I already got my 8900 from Listening room. He then showed me a letter apparently from Hitachi Japan stating that The Listening Group is not an authorized dealer and service center since September 2006. He said that the warranty is not from Hitachi but from Listening Group only and will not accept units sold by Listening room. What gives here? Please enlighten me. Is this true? Where can I have my Hitachi serviced in case it broke down?
Yes, it's true.
Listening Group's TVs are parallel imports. Pero hindi ka naman nila lolokohin. If you ask, they'll tell you that the unit was directly imported and was not sourced from the authorized Philippine distributor. The warranty will not be recognized by the authorized distributor, but it still has a 1-year store warranty, which means that it's the Listening Group that will perform the repairs.
Ok lang yun dahil iyan talaga ang industry practice for appliance sales. Ang masama, kung pareho lang ang presyo nila sa authorized retailers. Pero dahil sobrang baba naman ng presyo, e di OK na rin. Hindi naman fake 'yan, hindi rin reconditioned second hand --- brand new talaga, parallel import nga lang.
At least we have a choice. Overpriced kasi masyado ang SRP ng flat panels sa Philippines, kaya nga maganda ang negosyo ng grey market.
Ang difference lang talaga, warranty by authorized service center vs. store warranty. Siyempre mas maganda ang authorized service center warranty, pero dahil sobrang layo talaga ng presyo, Ok na rin ang parallel import.
Where can I have my Hitachi serviced in case it broke down?
Either sa Listening Room or Hitachi service center.
Sa Listening Room, 1-year warranty. Kung sa Hitachi service center, walang warranty, pero sa tingin ko, they will still accept it for repair --- bayad ka lang ng regular price. I find it hard to believe that Hitachi will refuse to repair it merely because you bought it from the Listening Group.
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Got it December 2006. They said it had a one year warranty. Just present the receipt.
if they did not make any false representation with you then all is fine, better ask people who have dealt with them in terms of warranty and service, some of the members of this forum might be regular costumers or may know someone personally.
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Just tried it during my lunch break. Even the p-dvd of Pirates have it.
Sabi ko sa yo, e. It's the zero expense option. That DVD should be called the "Pirated Pirates" disc ;D ;D ;D. I've seen that disc, and the Optimizer is exactly the same quality-wise as my R1 POTC.
For color saturation you will need a sample color of magenta or cyan. But without it, just look for the red color. Then look for color bleeding. The red should be as red as possible without bleeding.
Distinguish between tint and color. Cyan and magenta are for tint/hue; red is for color/saturation.
For the Hue or Tint, I also don't have the required filters, so I just set it to mid point, balance between RED and GREEN, as long as the skin tones are acceptable to me.
You're referring to this pattern, which requires THX blue filter glasses: http://www.thx.com/home/dvd/optimizer/colorTint.html (http://www.thx.com/home/dvd/optimizer/colorTint.html)
Even if you don't have the THX blue filter glasses, the THX Optimizer has a low tech test pattern for tint:http://www.thx.com/home/dvd/optimizer/monitorPerf.html (http://www.thx.com/home/dvd/optimizer/monitorPerf.html) Just use the color bar: magenta and cyan blocks for tint; red block for color.
The problem is when you don't know how cyan and magenta should look like. Assuming that your computer monitor is correctly calibrated, they should look like this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/19/SubtractiveColor.svg/180px-SubtractiveColor.svg.png)
M for magenta; C for cyan. Tint adjustments: (a) Magenta: set too high becomes reddish; set too low becomes bluish; (b) Cyan: set too high becomes bluish; set too low becomes greenish.
Those who have a background in photography and Adobe Photoshop are familiar with cyan and magenta.
... I just set it to mid point, balance between RED and GREEN, as long as the skin tones are acceptable to me.
That's right. Without test patterns, skin tones are the correct guide for setting tint.
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Hi, I bought my Pioneer 427-XHDG last January. Paid 180k at SM appliance in bicutan. Also bought 490-K upscaling player from pioneer. For me, sulit yung bayad ko sa kanya despite the steep price of pioneers. My standard DVDS are now very crisp and I am also watching TV shows from the US at Hi-def (720p) (you can do this with your computer but i cannot discuss here on how to do it).
A lot of research and test viewing went into this purchase. 9 months in the making. For me, mas prefer ko talaga plasma over LCD when it comes to movie viewing. Maybe for computer uses mas ok siguro LCD, but then again the reason why i bought a widescreen tv is to primarily watch movies.
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Grabe ang mahal!
Pero grabe din ang ganda ng picture sa panel na yan. :D
CONGRATS!!!
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congrats on the pio experience! pre pa pm naman ng secret mo sa hd channel ;) i have the same model as yours and i have to agree that its truly worth every centavo, malayo sa iba ang performance nya, malinis and screen.
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Yes, it's true.
Listening Group's TVs are parallel imports. Pero hindi ka naman nila lolokohin. If you ask, they'll tell you that the unit was directly imported and was not sourced from the authorized Philippine distributor. The warranty will not be recognized by the authorized distributor, but it still has a 1-year store warranty, which means that it's the Listening Group that will perform the repairs.
Ok lang yun dahil iyan talaga ang industry practice for appliance sales. Ang masama, kung pareho lang ang presyo nila sa authorized retailers. Pero dahil sobrang baba naman ng presyo, e di OK na rin. Hindi naman fake 'yan, hindi rin reconditioned second hand --- brand new talaga, parallel import nga lang.
At least we have a choice. Overpriced kasi masyado ang SRP ng flat panels sa Philippines, kaya nga maganda ang negosyo ng grey market.
Ang difference lang talaga, warranty by authorized service center vs. store warranty. Siyempre mas maganda ang authorized service center warranty, pero dahil sobrang layo talaga ng presyo, Ok na rin ang parallel import.
Either sa Listening Room or Hitachi service center.
Sa Listening Room, 1-year warranty. Kung sa Hitachi service center, walang warranty, pero sa tingin ko, they will still accept it for repair --- bayad ka lang ng regular price. I find it hard to believe that Hitachi will refuse to repair it merely because you bought it from the Listening Group.
Hinde daw fair yung binigay na treatment ng Hitachi Dealer sa mga small specialize dealers like Listening Room. Mas malaki daw binibigay na wholesale discount sa mga big appliance stores kaya di pantay ang kinikita nila. Might as well beat them at their own game...
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(http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1513/img0513tn7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
My 1st plasma Hitachi 55" Plasma 55PMA550 (1366x768)
(http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8541/22200773520am0006xo9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
My 2nd plasma Panasonic 65" TH-65PF9WK (1920x1080)
Coming Soon, Home Theater by TheaterWorks ;D ;D
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My 2nd plasma Panasonic 65" TH-65PF9WK (1920x1080)
Coming Soon, Home Theater by TheaterWorks ;D ;D
wow!! :o :o :o panood naman!! ;) ;D
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oo nga panood naman, dala kami ng popcorn at drinks ;D
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Wowowee! ... Pa-utang naman! ;D ;D ;D
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...That DVD should be called the "Pirated Pirates" disc ;D ;D ;D. I've seen that disc, and the Optimizer is exactly the same quality-wise as my R1 POTC.
LOL ;D
Distinguish between tint and color. Cyan and magenta are for tint/hue; red is for color/saturation.
You're right, I got it mixed up. In the absence of the color filter required for the TINT adjustment, I used the color bar with the cyan and magenta, and at the same time, I was also looking at the RED.
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i suggest that you guys invest in a Home Theater Calibration Tool like Avia, VE, etc. not only do they calibrate the video to +/- 5% of the optimal settings but they calibrate the Audio as well!! 8) you'll need a Sound Level Meter for the latter though but these are affordable anyway considering the money you've put into your HT.
just my 2 cents. :)
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i suggest that you guys invest in a Home Theater Calibration Tool like Avia, VE, etc. not only do they calibrate the video to +/- 5% of the optimal settings but they calibrate the Audio as well!! 8) you'll need a Sound Level Meter for the latter though but these are affordable anyway considering the money you've put into your HT.
just my 2 cents. :)
Better yet, borrow from someone who have it. ;D I was able to borrow a DVE from akyatbundok way back, when there were still regular listening sessions at his condo. And I used the Sound Meter from our plant ;D.
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My 2nd plasma Panasonic 65" TH-65PF9WK (1920x1080)
Coming Soon, Home Theater by TheaterWorks ;D ;D
Holy Moly..it's a HT paradise!! More to come... :o If only I can get my hand even on a 50" I'm already in dreamland ;D
i suggest that you guys invest in a Home Theater Calibration Tool like Avia, VE, etc.
Doh..almost forgot I have the Avia, etc...hmm...this weekend I'll get busy again calibrating my HT gears :)
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(http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1513/img0513tn7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
My 1st plasma Hitachi 55" Plasma 55PMA550 (1366x768)
(http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8541/22200773520am0006xo9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
My 2nd plasma Panasonic 65" TH-65PF9WK (1920x1080)
Coming Soon, Home Theater by TheaterWorks ;D ;D
:o WOW :o
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Wala kasi akong nakikitang data at the time of my Feb. 28 post. Pero meron na pala ngayon:
Plasma Big-Screen Leader In '06
By Greg Tarr -- TWICE, 3/12/2007
PORTLAND, ORE. — Plasma TVs outsold all other display technologies in the 40-inch-plus screen sizes in the United States during full year 2006, according to a market research report issued by Quixel Research.
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6423470.html?industryid=23106 (http://www.twice.com/article/CA6423470.html?industryid=23106)
Hiramin natin mula sa kabilang thread. ;D
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Lets do the wave ;D
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Alam na natin noon pa na Plasma ang big screen (40+ inch) leader... ;D ... we're not surprised with the tech news item.
Hindi lang natin dinedeklara dito agad nang walang data dahil hindi naman tayo mahilig masalita nang walang ebidensiya. :D
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From Panasonic Belgium-Luxembourg:
10th gen. 42" Viera Plasma, Full HD 1080p (1920 x 1080) --- For Jun 30, '07?
(http://www.panasonic.be/me/internet/images/products/full_HD_1080.gif)(http://www.panasonic.be/me/internet/images/products/TH-50PY700F_prod.jpg)
http://www.panasonic.be/servlet/PB/menu/1250410_l6/index.html (http://www.panasonic.be/servlet/PB/menu/1250410_l6/index.html)
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I know that Plasma is the best selling display technology for 40 inch above. I also own a 42" plasma display. But a lot, if not all of my friends who are planning on buying a large display panel says they will be buying LCDs. I still have to tell them and explain that plasma is the way to go before they even consider on checking out a plasma display panel and eventually buys a plasma. Bakit kaya ganun?
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Phew...I'm salivating over the new 42" Viera Plasma...if only I have a money tree :D
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I know that Plasma is the best selling display technology for 40 inch above. I also own a 42" plasma display. But a lot, if not all of my friends who are planning on buying a large display panel says they will be buying LCDs. I still have to tell them and explain that plasma is the way to go before they even consider on checking out a plasma display panel and eventually buys a plasma. Bakit kaya ganun?
i can only guess that like myself before, i relied mainly on advertisements and the trends i read on paper/magazines/web, that magnified the problems of plasma and minimized the problems of lcd. when you are scared enough you tend to beleive whatever else is being given you, the only reality check will be a side by side comparison and the honest opinions of friends (personal or forum friends).
before when i was trying to get my first flat panel, i only considered lcd because of all the negative publicity i read, but every time i was on the floor looking for nice panels, it was always the plasma panels that attracted me first but i would always turn my back on it once i find out it was a plasma panel. Boy was i wrong. Buti na lang i had the chance to switch to plasma ;D
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i can only guess that like myself before, i relied mainly on advertisements and the trends i read on paper/magazines/web, that magnified the problems of plasma and minimized the problems of lcd. when you are scared enough you tend to beleive whatever else is being given you, the only reality check will be a side by side comparison and the honest opinions of friends (personal or forum friends).
before when i was trying to get my first flat panel, i only considered lcd because of all the negative publicity i read, but every time i was on the floor looking for nice panels, it was always the plasma panels that attracted me first but i would always turn my back on it once i find out it was a plasma panel. Boy was i wrong. Buti na lang i had the chance to switch to plasma ;D
Very true!
Marketing does a lot for a product. Here in the Phils, plasma marketing is not so much. And also, salesmen that are not well trained in product knowledge, tend to go along with marketing too, rather than providing the pros and cons of each of the display technologies objectively.
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I've been using the pio696 for a week now. Upscaled dvd's look better, with richer colors and better black, clear clean picture. Good enough to stave off my craving for HD, for now, while waiting for the prices of HD players and discs to be affordable.
1080i vs. 720p - I can't tell the difference.
1080i/720p vs 480p(component) noticeable difference.
480p-Component vs. 480p-HDMI - better black with 480p-HDMI
My only complaint with upscaling through HDMI, is that I can't maximize the the screen with anamorphic WS since it will display the original aspect ratio and compress it a little further (the bottom black bar is a bit thicker than with the original aspect ratio). With 16:9, a thin black bar is still present.
Compared with my Pioneer585K, the 696, performs better even with component connection. The 696 can even read better; Sounds better; Looks better too.
I got my 6-ft HDMI cable from jambam, B&S section, for 1K only. Very good quality, compared with other generics that I've seen.
Got the 696 at Anson's ATC for 6.8K(SRP 7.2K), with 12VCD karaoke and a Hitch VCD, free . Ironically, you buy a DVD player yet they give you free VCD ;D, kahit isang DVD na lang sana.
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My only complaint with upscaling through HDMI, is that I can't maximize the the screen with anamorphic WS since it will display the original aspect ratio and compress it a little further (the bottom black bar is a bit thicker than with the original aspect ratio). With 16:9, a thin black bar is still present.
Paano kung HDMI without upscaling, i.e.: 480p lang ... how are the black bars?
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whats the cheapest 720p plasma display out there....syempre with hdmi...
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Paano kung HDMI without upscaling, i.e.: 480p lang ... how are the black bars?
With 480p-HDMI, you can manipulate the aspect ratio with your TV, just like with component. You can totally fit the picture to the screen with the zoom function of the TV.
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whats the cheapest 720p plasma display out there....syempre with hdmi...
about 100K for a 42" PDP.
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With 480p-HDMI, you can manipulate the aspect ratio with your TV, just like with component. You can totally fit the picture to the screen with the zoom function of the TV.
Thanks for the info, bosing. EDTV kasi yung plasma ko, so 480p is very important for me.
Pantay ang black bars top and bottom sa HDMI 480p?
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Thanks for the info, bosing. EDTV kasi yung plasma ko, so 480p is very important for me.
Pantay ang black bars top and bottom sa HDMI 480p?
Pantay ang black bars. Parang component connection din, pero mas maganda lang color sa HDMI ng kunti at mas black ang black.
You're welcome Atty.
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Ayos yun, a. May silbi din pala ang Pioneer 696 sa akin ;D Thanks again!
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Why is it that the plasma screens I've seen so far still have visible grid lines up close like CRT screens while I see no lines whatsoever in LCDs?
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Why is it that the plasma screens I've seen so far still have visible grid lines up close like CRT screens while I see no lines whatsoever in LCDs?
I dont know the exact technical explanation for the mesh grid look, but the latest PZ series Panasonic plasmas (50V, 58V and 65V) with full HD panels have notably reduced that compared to the previous PX series. The 50V is exceptionally clean even up close.
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Why is it that the plasma screens I've seen so far still have visible grid lines up close like CRT screens while I see no lines whatsoever in LCDs?
I wanted to respond this morning, because I'm sure that I don't notice the grid lines on my Hitachi. But I thought of confirming it first, which I did this lunch break. Yes there are gridlines. But only if you look very very close, as in my nose almost touching the screen. And looking very intently. There are gridlines but very very fine.
I've seen other plasma with visible gridlines like the old model at LIS, Festival. I believe the new ones have very very fine gridlines that are only visible if you really look at them very very close and intently.
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For color saturation you will need a sample color of magenta or cyan. But without it, just look for the red color. Then look for color bleeding. The red should be as red as possible without bleeding.
For the Hue or Tint, I also don't have the required filters, so I just set it to mid point, balance between RED and GREEN, as long as the skin tones are acceptable to me.
Pre meron akong DVE with the color filters - calibrate natin minsan, I want to see a plasma screen :)
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Pre meron akong DVE with the color filters - calibrate natin minsan, I want to see a plasma screen :)
Ok iceman90a. Long time no see.
Kailan ka pwede?
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Samsung Shines in US Plasma TV Market
By Cho Jin-seo
Staff Reporter
Samsung Electronics has outperformed Japan's Matsushi.ta in the U.S. plasma TV market in the first two weeks of March, raising hopes that it may be able to extend its LCD leadership to the plasma sector this year as well.
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200703/kt2007032219380411890.htm (http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200703/kt2007032219380411890.htm)
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Bakit kaya di nag launch ng Plasma ang Samsung dito?
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Bakit kaya di nag launch ng Plasma ang Samsung dito?
Meron din. Hindi lang agressive, hindi yata maganda ang forecast nila para sa plasma dito. May nakita ako sa Anson Makati, 50" Samsung plasma. Maganda rin, hindi lang ako interesado, mahal kasi.
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I've been using the pio696 for a week now. Upscaled dvd's look better, with richer colors and better black, clear clean picture. Good enough to stave off my craving for HD, for now, while waiting for the prices of HD players and discs to be affordable.
1080i vs. 720p - I can't tell the difference.
1080i/720p vs 480p(component) noticeable difference.
480p-Component vs. 480p-HDMI - better black with 480p-HDMI
My only complaint with upscaling through HDMI, is that I can't maximize the the screen with anamorphic WS since it will display the original aspect ratio and compress it a little further (the bottom black bar is a bit thicker than with the original aspect ratio). With 16:9, a thin black bar is still present.
Compared with my Pioneer585K, the 696, performs better even with component connection. The 696 can even read better; Sounds better; Looks better too.
I got my 6-ft HDMI cable from jambam, B&S section, for 1K only. Very good quality, compared with other generics that I've seen.
Got the 696 at Anson's ATC for 6.8K(SRP 7.2K), with 12VCD karaoke and a Hitch VCD, free . Ironically, you buy a DVD player yet they give you free VCD ;D, kahit isang DVD na lang sana.
noticable ba talaga yung branded hdmi cable vs. generic ones?
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noticable ba talaga yung branded hdmi cable vs. generic ones?
I can't conclusive say Bro when it comes to performance. But based on my experience with other connectors/cables, the well constructed ones usually perform better. And the one I bought, generic too, is better constructed than the other generics I've seen.
I have yet to try a branded one, hopefully!
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i have to agree with jvm, my experience with past cables are the same, although some may argue that with digital cables the story is different being that the signal is always just on or off, i'm no expert but why not just buy the cheapest branded one to help you sleep at night...and watch your panel with a smile ;D and self satisfaction
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Plus 1 for Plasma ;D ;D ;D
"Just wanted to say this wil be my last post on the Bravia Cloudy thread. Thought you might like to hear how my situation was resolved, as it might help you with refunds.
I bought my Bravia 46" XBR 2 in early December 2006 online from Amazon. Noticed the clouding right away and found this discussion after doing a Google search. Too bad I didn't find it BEFORE I bought the set. Anyway, I called Sony and got the frimware update. I installed this mid February. Made the clouding better, but did not fix it.
Last week I called Amazon to see about a refund, but was told it was too late for that. I asked if there was anything else she could do and the operator told me that she'd forward my request on to the "specialists", who would contact me within 24 hours. I then called Sony and asked for a refund. They said they couldn't do that , but that Amazon would, if I gave them my Sony case#. I got an email from Amazon saying I was out of luck, but if I had a Sony case# I could click on a link and enter it. I did so, and explained that the set was not fixed after I did the firmware update. I got an email back from Amazon saying they had contacted the shipper and would pay to have the set returned, and give me a full refund (!)
Okay, obviously Sony knows there is a problem, but don't want to admit it, and they must have an understanding with Amazon (& possibly other retailers). Anyway the set went out (I had to pay to have it boxed up, as the box was long gone).
As for me, I'm getting a Panasonic TH-50PF9UK 1080p 50" Plasma. I've determined that large format LCD is not ready for prime time.
Good luck to you all!! "
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hey guys looks like we got another convert ;D dont forget to fill us in on your review of the new panny!
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hey guys looks like we got another convert ;D dont forget to fill us in on your review of the new panny!
Actually I lifted that out of the AVS Forums...Sorry about that :-\
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ah ok, ang ganda pa naman sana nung pana mentioned there ;D i hope sony comes out with a real solution on this problem, mahal pa naman sya, recognizing the problem is the first step in solving it.
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World's first 42" full HD 1920 x 1080 plasma: Panasonic TH-42PZ700U -- $2,499.95! (for June 2007)
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadgethd.com/media/2007/03/panasonic-th-58pz700-plasma.jpg)
Panasonic's new 1080p plasmas priced & dated - now in 42-inch size
Posted Mar 29th 2007 2:50PM by Richard Lawler
http://www.w.engadgethd.com/2007/03/29/panasonics-new-1080p-plasmas-priced-and-dated/ (http://www.w.engadgethd.com/2007/03/29/panasonics-new-1080p-plasmas-priced-and-dated/)
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World's first 42" full HD 1920 x 1080 plasma: Panasonic TH-42PZ700U -- $2,499.95! (for June 2007)
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadgethd.com/media/2007/03/panasonic-th-58pz700-plasma.jpg)
Panasonic's new 1080p plasmas priced & dated - now in 42-inch size
Posted Mar 29th 2007 2:50PM by Richard Lawler
http://www.w.engadgethd.com/2007/03/29/panasonics-new-1080p-plasmas-priced-and-dated/ (http://www.w.engadgethd.com/2007/03/29/panasonics-new-1080p-plasmas-priced-and-dated/)
Ganda nito, lalo na kung ganyan din price dito.
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http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/features/779/plasma-vs-lcd.html (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/features/779/plasma-vs-lcd.html)
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lets just mirror this post from another thread para may pagusapan tyo ;D
said the above post coz I followed this option, just brought home a 42inch Hitachi Plasma display....42PD9500TA........will post my findings later....
after consultation with close forum mates.....and actual audition, I got the plasma after really bent on getting the Tosh 37WL68E. Price was not an issue, coz they were priced almost the same at 12month terms. The size (42 vs 37), and overall PQ...and IMO, I like cable TV viewing in Plasma than in the LCD....but I have to admit, cable TV viewing in HD flat panels doesnt look good.....mas ok pa yung CRT rptv ko na nasira. But nevertheless, I bought Blu-ray and HD DVD titles, and the Hitachi did shine in that department.
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Considering that sir Munskie has Blu ray and HD-DVD titles, I'm interested to learn why he settled on the plasma, when the latest LCD panels, especially Bravia and Aquos, also perform well on high def sources.
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sabihin na natin pantay PQ nila, esp sa HD source, size became a big factor for me. given the budget, I have to choose between a larger display and a smaller one. Medyo nasanay na rin ako sa 43 inch na CRT rptv ko..(equivalent 38-39 inch sa Widescreen?).......So I chose the 42 vs the 37...naliitan ako sa 37inches.
I have to live and take care of image retention........meron ba guys? especially those on gaming?
forgot to mention, meron din pala ako kasabay bumili kanina..member rin.....same model
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Congrats marvin ;)
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Conrats marvin ;)
thanks ricky.......it was a very hard decision........thanks rin sa mga input..... :)
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Wow Plasma at 42'...congrat Marvin...now you officially belong to the Plasma family :D
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.......it was a very hard decision........thanks rin sa mga input..... :)
"Looking for LCD, got Plasma instead" ;D Same personal experience here.
Good buy at PhP104.5K.
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I have to live and take care of image retention........meron ba guys? especially those on gaming?
I've been checking this on my PD, but there's none even when watching shows with logos. Not even a hint.
I can't comment when used with games.
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im gonna follow the 100 hour break in rule still.....though its good to know it has 2 tools that can be used to prevent image retention, the screensaver, and screen wipe. :) :)
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I was really intrigued by the fact Marvin settled for Plasma although he owned gaming consoles. The new technology of Toshiba LCD really impressed me with regard to PQ (plasma-like). I guess it's really the size that matters!! :)
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im gonna follow the 100 hour break in rule still.....though its good to know it has 2 tools that can be used to prevent image retention, the screensaver, and screen wipe. :) :)
Break in is the safe way to go.
Ingat sa screen wipe. I hear that it should be a last resort. Sabi nila the screen wipe function operates by burning the entire screen evenly, thus shortening the phosphors' life. Totoo ba yon?
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i was told by a service advisor before that it should only be used maximum of twice a year
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Break in is the safe way to go.
Ingat sa screen wipe. I hear that it should be a last resort. Sabi nila the screen wipe function operates by burning the entire screen evenly, thus shortening the phosphors' life. Totoo ba yon?
might be...coz its all white.......thanks for the reminder. :) would only use it for extreme image retention...if that happens at all....
just watched Sin City....its a great demo for plasma displays. The visual design is full of deep blacks....and therefore shows Plasma's superiority in black level....before that, I watched spiderman.....and because those two have excellent transfers.....and using an upscaling dvd player, I could swear that the PQ I saw with those two titles (some scenes in Spiderman, and most scenes in Sin City) are almost HD-like. And this coming from an early adopter for the HD format. I have also used the plasma display for HD, and I could say that HD still trumps SD (especially in detail and texture), but based from what I saw in those two titles, the combination of having a DVD title with excellent clean transfer, an upscaling DVD player, and a decent HDTV will result in PQ that you wouldnt snort at. ;D ;D
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Congrats, bosing!
Buti na lang maganda sa standard DVD pag upscaled. Even HD adopters will not be able to completely avoid SDVD altogether because I'm predicting that there will probably be a substantial number of titles that will never see an HD release.
Sayang, hindi ko kasi nakita ang Hitachi sa upscaled DVD when I was plasma shopping (I'm not yet interested in HD). Nakita ko yan sa Ansons Makati, ordinary Pioneer DVD player lang ang gamit --- malabo ang picture, nadismaya tuloy ako.
Hindi pala puwede ang 480 SD source sa showroom demo nito. :(
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Sayang, hindi ko kasi nakita ang Hitachi sa upscaled DVD when I was plasma shopping (I'm not yet interested in HD). Nakita ko yan sa Ansons Makati, ordinary Pioneer DVD player lang ang gamit --- malabo ang picture, nadismaya tuloy ako.
Hindi pala puwede ang 480 SD source sa showroom demo nito. :(
thanks. youre right with your observation sa demo na 480 SD source. I connected it first to my Philips 642k player thru component....it doesnt look good, it was flat and mukhang me jaggies..........
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sample screenshot...
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/marlai/april11006.jpg)
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Ganda!
Mahirap kunan ng picture ang plasma. I'm sure that the actual image looks even better in person.
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Very clear pic. Hope to see some sample HD shots ;)
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Plasma TV sales not doing so good
Posted Apr 11th 2007 8:49AM by Matt Burns
Ah, the plasma TV. Remember way back a few years ago, everyone used to hate on plasmas so much. Screen-burn this, fragile screen that - rubbish these days but back then, they had some truth. Looks like all the bad talk finally caught up to the technology though as they just aren't selling like it was 2006. Plasma TV sales dropped nearly 16 percent from last February to this year. That works out to be $35 million less generated by plasma TV sales. Its kind of obvious why isn't it. LCDs. They're perceived as a better, more reliable technology and in some cases, are cheaper. Plus, every must have 1080p these days and you can only get a 1080p plasma if it has a large price tag attached. Which screen would we get? Most around the Engadget office would ultimately opt for a plasma for the better picture but an LCD would be considered too.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/04/11/plasma-tv-sales-not-doing-so-good/ (http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/04/11/plasma-tv-sales-not-doing-so-good/)
Plasma HD Sales: Not a Pretty Picture
Makers of the flat-panel set are hurt by falling prices.
By Phillip Swann
http://www.tvpredictions.com/plasma041107.htm (http://www.tvpredictions.com/plasma041107.htm)
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LG faces pressure to can its plasma TV business
Posted on : Apr.10,2007 15:06 KST Modified on : Apr.11,2007 14:46 KST
... LG Electronics is under pressure to decide whether to halt its Plasma Display Panel (PDP) TV production, which is currently suffering from chronic deficit. Some experts have raised the prospect that LG will either sell the PDP business to another company or carry out restructuring. ...
http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_business/202050.html (http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_business/202050.html)
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Geez...plasma is under heavy heat... :-X
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It's only the plasma revenue in dollar sales that went down, due to falling prices. Unit plasma sales are still good, which in fact increased by 30%.
The tvpredictions.com article stated:
"Despite the decline in overall revenues, NPD says sales of Plasma units jumped 30 percent, with the 42-inch category leading the way."
Overall, plasma still leads flat panel sales in the 40"+ size category.
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On another note, Philips announced that it will retain its plasma line only for North America and Australia, but will phase out its plasmas for the rest of the world. On the other hand, LG is thinking about entirely closing its plasma lines due to heavy losses.
OK lang, parang lechong manok lang yan. Nung una, hit na hit ang lechong manok, sobrang dami ang pumasok sa ganung business. After some years, they closed shop one by one, leaving only Andok's Lechong Manok to rule the market.
Similarly, other plasma makers will fall by the wayside, leaving only Panasonic, Pioneer and Hitachi.
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Pioneer Project Kuro Plasmas Unveiled
The next-generation, SED-killing plasma technology dated, priced.
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May 9, 2007 - Enthusiastic readers will no doubt recall IGN's enthusiasm for Pioneer's next-gen plasma technology we saw at CES last January (report). Hyped as an "SED-Killer" by Pioneer, the new 8th-generation plasma technology was shockingly impressive, all the more so because we were told it would be coming to market this year. Details have been scarce since the CES unveiling, but today Pioneer has officially announced pricing and dates for this new line of plasmas, which are likely going to be the highest performing displays available to consumers when they launch.
The key feature of the new displays are their ability to produce black levels 80% greater than Pioneer's previous models. The resulting 20,000:1 contrast ratio is a dramatic leap forwards for plasma technology that puts even the as yet unreleased 15,000:1 LED-backlit LCDs to shame. Code named Project Kuro (Japanese for black), the first of the new line of plasmas will premier in June and will be sporting 720p-ish XGA and WXGA resolutions. Specifically, the 42-inch Pioneer PDP-4280HD will rock 1024x768 for $2,700, and the 50-inch Pioneer PDP-5080HD will sport 1280x720 for $3,500.
In July, Elite branded models will launch, including the 42-inch PRO-950HD (1024x768) at $3,200, and the 50-inch PRO-1150HD (1280x720) at $4,500.
1080p aficionados will have to wait until September for the new 8th generation technology. Models will include two Pioneer displays at 50 and 60-inches (PDP-5010FD-$5,000, PDP-6010FD-$6,500) and two Elite models in the same size range (PRO-110FD-$6,000, PRO-150FD-$7,500).
Pioneer's European website broke the news early and offered some official explanation of the advances in technology these new displays will be sporting. "Our engineering goal was to create video signal processing without error, noise or compromise. What you will see in our new line up is pure and original - just as the director intended…The deep blacks and vivid colours are the result of our new deep encased cell structure, crystal emissive layer and first surface colour filter."
source: IGN.com (http://gear.ign.com/articles/786/786778p1.html)
The Pioneer-branded XGA and WXGA sets will be available in June:
Pioneer 42" XGA PDP-4280HD - $2,700
Pioneer 50" WXGA PDP-5080HD - $3,500
The Elite-branded XGA and WXGA sets will be available in July:
Elite 42" XGA PRO-950HD - $3,200
Elite 50" WXGA PRO-1150HD - $4,500
All 1080p sets will be available in September:
Pioneer 50" PDP-5010FD - $5,000
Pioneer 60" PDP-6010FD - $6,500
Elite 50" PRO-110FD - $6,000
Elite 60" PRO-150FD - $7,500
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I just returned my Hitachi plasma, due to very bad customer service.
I used to own the 42PD8500TA. After 2 months of use, bumuka yong frame sa may lower middle portion ng frame. After 1 week of stressful transaction with Hitachi they replaced it. (I called them everyday for an update because they do not call back to do so) Pero ganon pa rin may buka pa rin yong 2nd replacement. Sabi ng technician, ganon yata yong model na yon pag naka table mount, yong wall mounted daw wala naman. Dahil maliit pa lang buka ng replacement, sabi ko bibili na lang ako ng A/V rack na may mount. The cheapest rack that I found was at 10K. It made me realize that, why should I spend for a rack just to compensate for a defective unit. So I decided to call them again, and told them I don't want that model anymore, and I wanted it replaced with either the 9800 or 9500. I makes more sense to spend some more for an upgrade rather than to cover up the defect.
I was directly talking with the one in-charge of their sales, because their Customer Service sucks. He said that it will be better to have the replacement through Hitachi directly to shorten the transaction, because if it will be through the store, it will take so long. But they wanted me to have another 8500, because they have one stock still. They don't want to replace it with another model. But I firmly said no, because I don't want to go through the same ordeal for the third time. So the sales guy again asked me to wait while he asked for approval from their president. But it has been more than a week and they can't even decide if they'll replace it with a different model or not. If I don't call them, they don't even call back to give an update. I really felt they just wanted to get rid of their last stock, that's why they did not want me to upgrade.
So I decided to just course it through the store. And the store agreed. It was easier than talking with Hitachi. Hitachi just made it more difficult even if they wanted to do a faster transaction.
I made the replacement transaction with the store and opted to have the 9500 as replacement. It was even cheaper than what I had the 8500 for, because they just had some price reduction. The promodizer even said that it comes with a new rack, better than the sigma rack. The replacement date was set last Saturday, May12.
On May 11, Friday, I dropped by at the store just to confirm the replacement. On my way to the store, the sales guy called me and informed me that they already agreed to replace my unit with the 9500. It took them two weeks to decide. But I'll I have to add 15K. What?! I told him that it was cheaper at the store, I'll even have some change after the replacement. I asked if he meant it for the 9800. He said he'll clarify. But if I had not texted him, he did not get back to me about the clarification. He just replied to my text saying that I'll just proceed with the store transaction.
Last Saturday, replacement day, one hour before the set time, I recieved a text message from the promodizer telling me that I have to return the rack too. He said it was just a new memo received that day, that the 9500 does not come with a free rack anymore. I protested because when I bought the unit the free item was in effect and even during the agreement for the replacement was settled the free rack was still in effect. But even after talking with the guy in charge of sales, they didn't want to give consideration. So I decided to just return it.
What a customer service they have? It was really an ordeal dealing with them. It made me realize the importance of customer service.
I'm on my quest again for a flat panel display.
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I just returned my Hitachi plasma, due to very bad customer service.
I used to own the 42PD8500TA. After 2 months of use, bumuka yong frame sa may lower middle portion ng frame. After 1 week of stressful transaction with Hitachi they replaced it. (I called them everyday for an update because they do not call back to do so) Pero ganon pa rin may buka pa rin yong 2nd replacement. Sabi ng technician, ganon yata yong model na yon pag naka table mount, yong wall mounted daw wala naman. Dahil maliit pa lang buka ng replacement, sabi ko bibili na lang ako ng A/V rack na may mount. The cheapest rack that I found was at 10K. It made me realize that, why should I spend for a rack just to compensate for a defective unit. So I decided to call them again, and told them I don't want that model anymore, and I wanted it replaced with either the 9800 or 9500. I makes more sense to spend some more for an upgrade rather than to cover up the defect.
I was directly talking with the one in-charge of their sales, because their Customer Service sucks. He said that it will be better to have the replacement through Hitachi directly to shorten the transaction, because if it will be through the store, it will take so long. But they wanted me to have another 8500, because they have one stock still. They don't want to replace it with another model. But I firmly said no, because I don't want to go through the same ordeal for the third time. So the sales guy again asked me to wait while he asked for approval from their president. But it has been more than a week and they can't even decide if they'll replace it with a different model or not. If I don't call them, they don't even call back to give an update. I really felt they just wanted to get rid of their last stock, that's why they did not want me to upgrade.
So I decided to just course it through the store. And the store agreed. It was easier than talking with Hitachi. Hitachi just made it more difficult even if they wanted to do a faster transaction.
I made the replacement transaction with the store and opted to have the 9500 as replacement. It was even cheaper than what I had the 8500 for, because they just had some price reduction. The promodizer even said that it comes with a new rack, better than the sigma rack. The replacement date was set last Saturday, May12.
On May 11, Friday, I dropped by at the store just to confirm the replacement. On my way to the store, the sales guy called me and informed me that they already agreed to replace my unit with the 9500. It took them two weeks to decide. But I'll I have to add 15K. What?! I told him that it was cheaper at the store, I'll even have some change after the replacement. I asked if he meant it for the 9800. He said he'll clarify. But if I had not texted him, he did not get back to me about the clarification. He just replied to my text saying that I'll just proceed with the store transaction.
Last Saturday, replacement day, one hour before the set time, I recieved a text message from the promodizer telling me that I have to return the rack too. He said it was just a new memo received that day, that the 9500 does not come with a free rack anymore. I protested because when I bought the unit the free item was in effect and even during the agreement for the replacement was settled the free rack was still in effect. But even after talking with the guy in charge of sales, they didn't want to give consideration. So I decided to just return it.
What a customer service they have? It was really an ordeal dealing with them. It made me realize the importance of customer service.
I'm on my quest again for a flat panel display.
sad to hear your story bro......good luck on your new quest......
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did you get all your money back?
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sad to hear your story bro......good luck on your new quest......
Thanks Munskie!
Sayang nga dahil satisfied naman ako sa PQ ng Hitachi. Parehas pa sana tayo ng PDP ;D.
On the bright side, at least I'm open again to new options.
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did you get all your money back?
I'll just have it replaced by the store with another brand. I haven't decided what to get yet. I'm leaning on the new Samsungs, LCD & PDP.
Sayang nga, we were just talking about doing some calibration using your DVE. Anyway, I'll still drop by your place sometime this week to have alook at your PJ. Text text na lang.
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I just returned my Hitachi plasma, due to very bad customer service.
Sorry to hear about the hassle.
I'll just have it replaced by the store with another brand. I haven't decided what to get yet. I'm leaning on the new Samsungs, LCD & PDP.
Well, that's the end of the contrast fluctuation issue, at least.
Samsung has good LCDs, but I would advise against their plasmas, which are still relatively prone to burn-in.
On the other hand, burn-in on Panasonic and Pioneer plasmas are virtually unheard of these days.
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Sorry to hear about the hassle.
It was indeed a hassle. A good product ruined by bad customer service. We Pinoys have a lot to learn about customer service.
Well, that's the end of the contrast fluctuation issue, at least.
One more consolation ;D besides having to deal with their lousy customer service.
Samsung has good LCDs, but I would advise against their plasmas, which are still relatively prone to burn-in.
On the other hand, burn-in on Panasonic and Pioneer plasmas are virtually unheard of these days.
I would like the Panasonic and Pioneer. It's just that they're more expensive. The Pioneer that they have at Anson's is at 179K and the Pana is at 125K. But the Panasonic is still EDTV. What Panasonic PDP HDTV is now available here?
The new Samsung plasmas, based on their spec sheet, have burn-in protection features. It's just that PQ-wise, when I tested it, using the settings that I used with the Hitachi, the Samsung PDP have softer images. My usual settings for the Hitachi were mostly 50% for the contrast & brightness, around 35%-40% for the color, and it was already vivid even at day viewing. But with the Samsung PDP, it's like you have to set it at about 75% for contrast & brightness and about 60% for color to attain the same PQ. The pluses for Samsung are the FilterBright feature that is said to absorb ambient lighting for better viewing at bright environ and the lower price (110K, can still be lowered with a little haggling). The new Samsung PDP's look like the new Sonoma Plus.
The new Samsung Bordeaux Plus is Editor's Choice at CNET Asia. Looks like a strong candidate for my replacement. The 37-incher is at 99.9K.
It's very stressful going through the selection process AGAIN >:(.
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I would like the Panasonic and Pioneer. It's just that they're more expensive. The Pioneer that they have at Anson's is at 179K and the Pana is at 125K. But the Panasonic is still EDTV. What Panasonic PDP HDTV is now available here?
If you mean Panasonic from the authorized Philippine distributor, they have on their website the Viera TH-42PV500M plasma, with 1024 x 768 native res. I saw one on display at SM V-Mall in Greenhills.
The new Samsung plasmas, based on their spec sheet, have burn-in protection features.
I wouldn't place too much reliance on a manufacturer's self-serving declarations. Mas reliable ang user comments sa mga forums, and those comments do not inspire confidence.
The new Samsung plasmas, based on their spec sheet, have burn-in protection features. It's just that PQ-wise, when I tested it, using the settings that I used with the Hitachi, the Samsung PDP have softer images. My usual settings for the Hitachi were mostly 50% for the contrast & brightness, around 35%-40% for the color, and it was already vivid even at day viewing. But with the Samsung PDP, it's like you have to set it at about 75% for contrast & brightness and about 60% for color to attain the same PQ.
I think Samsung's plasmas are considered 2nd tier only. Sub-par performance is not surprising.
The new Samsung Bordeaux Plus is Editor's Choice at CNET Asia. Looks like a strong candidate for my replacement. The 37-incher is at 99.9K.
Samsung's LCDs are considered 1st-tier, so it's a safe choice. Besides, Samsung in the Philippines has a reputation for top-notch aftersales service.
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jvm,
i can truly say i know how you feel >:(, i went through the same hellish nightmare with hitachi :'(, at least now you're liberated from the problematic units they gave you, happy hunting! ;D
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Talaga? Hindi ko nabalitaan yun a. Hitachi LCD or plasma?
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Talaga? Hindi ko nabalitaan yun a. Hitachi LCD or plasma?
barrister it was THE famous hitachi 37ld8800ta editors choice ek ek, back light bleed after only 2 weeks use.
since we were familiar with hitachi tvs (we have them in the states until now and really great service support) we didnt hesitate to get the 8800 after of course the usual demo against other units, we got it for its good detail pq and all other nice features.
after the service tech checked the unit he asked us to furthere observe if it will disappear completely as it was just intermittent, but it didnt take more than another week and it was washing scenes already. Called the tech and he said he's recommending for a replacement of the unit. Unfortunately no stock was available according to them and we have to wait for their new arrivals, which never came. They made us wait for 2 months thru CHRISTMAS season!
I couldnt even show my PRIZED tv to my guests because the screen clouding would only expose me to critics of smart ass relatives for choosing the brand over the more popular ones! ARAY! So in january07 to appease us they gave us a PLASMA service unit while we waited for the replacement unit. After a week, they admitted to us that there will be a remote chance for the replacement to arrive since the new models are out already. Since we couldnt accept the new model as replacement as it was inferior in features with our 8800, they offered the PLASMA version of the 8800 series but we will need to add cash. I suggested that we would rather get the new PLASMA model if we are going to add cash. HERE COMES THE FUNNY PART GUYS: since we paid Php115t cash for the 37ld8800ta they want us to add 60t more for the 42pd9800ta for a total of Php175t !!! do you know how much stores were selling the 42pd9800ta plasma then, only Php 135t !!!!!!!!!!! I calmly asked them to please ask their boss if this is correct as they should only charge me the same as the stores sell them for at the most, in fact they should charge less as they are the dealer right?
Well the fast ones among us will say, what the dealer is charging him for the defective unit, what kind of a--hole company is that thinking that someone is stupid enought to agree to this? After making us wait for months this is going to be our treatment? Their boss's reply after another 2 weeks of waiting: its Php 60t final.
After leaving out the store on this problem, i wrote a detailed letter of complaint to the store and i received the warmest apology i've gotten and was notified after 2 days that the company president himself ordered them to replace my unit and/or credit my payment on any product i would choose, no question asked against the lowest price i can find from any store. After almost 4 months of hell with hitachi, it only took me a week to complain, demo, approve and deliver home my new tv from the store!!! Shew, finally service fit for the product i bought!
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Grabe... hindi pala isolated incident ang kay sir jvm. Talaga palang dakila ang kapalpakan ng Hitachi Philippines.
I can't imagine why they would treat a flat panel customer this way. A customer who has an extra P100k in his bank account to play with is not easy to find.
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akala yata ng dealer na yan eh we're monkeys living on trees, he'd rather mistreat customers every now and then since mabenta naman daw product nya, what's one customer to him who's complaining something unheard of? well now marami na nag complain sa backlight bleed or clouding ang ibang companies so i guess alam nya na kung ano ang complain ko sa tv nya!!!
i have made no public posting of this experience because i dont want to be perceived as a 'mole' by forum members, but since people are already coming out with their own experiences i guess its time to really expose their boss who often has 'lucid intervals' in his decision making.
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Regret to hear jvm& dB10's unpleasant experience...I can understand dealing with such poor service is indeed very stressful & frustrating. dB10's story is very similar to one of my past predicament in our office but I can't recall if it's the same brand.
The buying process of a new equip/appliance is easy....the nighmare always begin when that item broke down or encounter problems... :(
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Palpak talaga sa customer service yang Hitachi. Yesterday, galing ako sa Anson's, para pumili ng replacement. Pero di pa pala sila naka submit ng service report sa Anson's, kaya delayed na naman pagkuha ko ng replacement. Almost a week na mula nang naibalik ko tv nila, pero wala pa rin.
Loko talaga yang Hitachi. Yong taga sales mismo nagsabi sa akin ng price reduction bago ko pa man isauli yong unit. Tapos magpapadagdag, samantalang ang baba na sa store. Kaya hinala ko talaga, kaya binawi yong rack kasi di sila nakakuha ng dagdag mula sa akin.
dB10, at least we made this known to our fellow PDVD members and warn them of the kind of customer service that they could expect if they buy Hate-achi products.
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If you mean Panasonic from the authorized Philippine distributor, they have on their website the Viera TH-42PV500M plasma, with 1024 x 768 native res. I saw one on display at SM V-Mall in Greenhills.
I wouldn't place too much reliance on a manufacturer's self-serving declarations. Mas reliable ang user comments sa mga forums, and those comments do not inspire confidence.
I think Samsung's plasmas are considered 2nd tier only. Sub-par performance is not surprising.
Samsung's LCDs are considered 1st-tier, so it's a safe choice. Besides, Samsung in the Philippines has a reputation for top-notch aftersales service.
Tested the Samsung plasma yesterday, with my own dvd player and dvd's, and it is really not impressive, below average I'd say. Full na yong contrast setting parang katumbas lang ng -5 na setting kumpara sa Hitachi.
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dB10, at least we made this known to our fellow PDVD members and warn them of the kind of customer service that they could expect if they buy Hate-achi products.
Thanks for the advance warning guys...now we know what brand to be caution...Hate-achi ;D
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I would like to share with you my experience with Hitachi dreaded after sales service. My 55PMA550 broke down after 2.5 years. It was diagnosed with a broken Power board. I was told it would cost me 30K w/ labor cost, take it or leave it :o :o . I inquired with Hitachi HK on the price of the said part. I was reffered to Mr. Marvin Balistoy ([email protected]). I told him of my complaint and he was able to talk to the West Avenue Service Center to lower the price to 20K, but they now would charge a 3.5K labor fee ::) ::). Ayaw talagang malamangan :P
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akala yata ng dealer na yan eh we're monkeys living on trees, he'd rather mistreat customers every now and then since mabenta naman daw product nya, what's one customer to him who's complaining something unheard of?
Ewan ko kung iniisip niyang mabenta ang Hitachi flat panels. That's disputable. On the contrary, mahina ang benta ng Hitachi. Ni hindi ka nga makakita ng appliance store na meron nito e.
When I was shopping for a plasma last January, nahirapan ako kakahanap ng appliance store na may display nito. I finally found a display at Anson in Makati, day-off pa yung salesman in charge. Nagduda tuloy ako sa aftersales service nila. Mag-provide lang ng display at salesman tinatamad na, sa aftersales service pa kaya maging masipag ito?
With this much negative feedback, lalong hihina ang mahinang benta ng Hate-achi. ::)
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Tested the Samsung plasma yesterday, with my own dvd player and dvd's, and it is really not impressive, below average I'd say. Full na yong contrast setting parang katumbas lang ng -5 na setting kumpara sa Hitachi.
There's a Samsung plasma mounted near the toys section at the SM Mall of Asia - Supermarket. At that time, it was playing Walt disney's Cinderella. Jos ko po, grabe ang trailing jaggies. Nakaka-irritate panoorin. Kahit yung mga batang nanduon, tinatanong kung ano yung aninong humahabol sa mga images. P164,000 pa naman yung presyong naka-paskel sa tabi nya. :(
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I would like to share with you my experience with Hitachi dreaded after sales service. My 55PMA550 broke down after 2.5 years. It was diagnosed with a broken Power board. I was told it would cost me 30K w/ labor cost, take it or leave it :o :o . I inquired with Hitachi HK on the price of the said part. I was reffered to Mr. Marvin Balistoy ([email protected]). I told him of my complaint and he was able to talk to the West Avenue Service Center to lower the price to 20K, but they now would charge a 3.5K labor fee ::) ::). Ayaw talagang malamangan :P
Samantalang pagbumibili ka pa lang, sasabihin nila na lifetime free-service, parts lang babayaran after warranty period. >:(
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Oops I deposited na for a Hitachi Plasma last friday, will have it delivered 2nd week of June pa kasi will be out of the country starting next week. Although I am not getting it from Ansons, would you guys think I will experience the same problem if ever kailangan ko pa service yung unit ko ???
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i guess no matter what the performance of the unit, if it is not durable enough and the after sales support is dismal and repair service is exhorbitant, it will never have the brand loyalty of customers and their recommendation to others, sayang lang ang effort nila if they cannot get these things in line.
there's no perfect tv we have to admit, but at least huwag naman sya mag conk out agad far below its rated lifespan, and if they do, sana they put a service support na reasonably customer friendly at prompt ang actions....
....at tanggalin nila yung p-----na boss nila na sobra gahaman sa pera at walang consideration sa customer nila.....pangit na nga tv nila pati ugali nila ganun din!
pardon na lang at nakakainit ng ulo kapag na recall ko experience ko dyan...mag relax muna ako at watch muna ng dvd sandali para bumaba ang bp ko...
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Oops I deposited na for a Hitachi Plasma last friday, will have it delivered 2nd week of June pa kasi will be out of the country starting next week. Although I am not getting it from Ansons, would you guys think I will experience the same problem if ever kailangan ko pa service yung unit ko ???
you still have a chance to get a different unit, so long as you have not accepted delivery ok lang sa store yan, just get another one if you feel you're not confident anymore, you can actually postpone your choice and leave your deposit with them until you've decided and maybe even saved enough for a better unit ;) also you can even catch the price drop of the better units then ;D
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Oops I deposited na for a Hitachi Plasma last friday, will have it delivered 2nd week of June pa kasi will be out of the country starting next week. Although I am not getting it from Ansons, would you guys think I will experience the same problem if ever kailangan ko pa service yung unit ko ???
Siyempre naman. Ok ang Anson's --- yung Hitachi Philippines ang hindi OK. Sana hindi masira, pero pag nasira, you can bet that you will experience the same problems.
you still have a chance to get a different unit, so long as you have not accepted delivery ok lang sa store yan..
Korek!
Sir vtec3, sabihin mo sa retailer natakot ka dahil nabalitaan mo kung gaanong kagaling ang service ng Hitachi Philippines :D .
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Yung mga nakuryente sa Hitachi Philippines service, email n'yo naman ang Hitachi Singapore at ikuwento n'yo ang inyong malungkot at mapighating karanasan.
Sana mabuwisit ang Hitachi Singapore para humanap sila ng bagong exclusive Philippine distributor!
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Yung mga nakuryente sa Hitachi Philippines service, email n'yo naman ang Hitachi Singapore at ikuwento n'yo ang inyong malungkot at mapighating karanasan.
Sana mabuwisit ang Hitachi Singapore para humanap sila ng bagong exclusive Philippine distributor!
I'll do this.
Ang laking sama ng loob at abala ang ginawa nila sa akin.
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you still have a chance to get a different unit, so long as you have not accepted delivery ok lang sa store yan, just get another one if you feel you're not confident anymore, you can actually postpone your choice and leave your deposit with them until you've decided and maybe even saved enough for a better unit ;) also you can even catch the price drop of the better units then ;D
with all of the horror stories maybe it was meant that i did not yet bring home the Hitachi. Didn't realize how hard pala to buy a Flat Panel TV ??? Had a similar experience with my 43" RPTV the remote was malfunctioning intermittently and when I called the service center I was told that the labor charge is 2,500 :( :( :( ang mahal na ng labor charge ako pa ang nagmamakaawa na gawin yung unit ko. And when they finally went to fix it, they took out the board and again ako pa ang nagfollow-up para maibalik at install yung board :(
would you guys know how much will it cost to have the Hitachi do a home service? Although I remember 3 years daw ang free labor, hopefully lang hindi 3 years ako na maghihintay for their service to come.
wanted to get sana the Pioneer kaya lang it was selling at 150k parang at that price isang 42" Plasma and 32" LCD na
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i want to thank hitachi phil for paving the way for my discovery of pioneer tv, without your kind of after sales service i will not have experienced relaxing tv viewing, salamat at wala na kayo sa buhay ko!... iyan ang gist ng isusulat ko sa hitachi singapore ;)
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Oops I deposited na for a Hitachi Plasma last friday, will have it delivered 2nd week of June pa kasi will be out of the country starting next week. Although I am not getting it from Ansons, would you guys think I will experience the same problem if ever kailangan ko pa service yung unit ko ???
vtec3,
If you're ready to deal with them, proceed. If not, call the store and cancel it and tell them you've changed your mind and would prefer a different brand. Anyway, you have a long leadtime. They may have not ordered it yet.
Tignan mo naman ang pagkakatulad ng aming experiences, obvious na gusto talaga lamangan ang customer. Kay dB10 nagpapadagdag ng sobra-sobra pa sa store price. Ganon din sa akin, nagpapadagdag pa kahit mas mababa na sa store, at nang di sila nakakuha ng dagdag sa akin, binawi yong free rack. Kay mouldingo overpricing ng parts at pagkatapos matawaran maniningil ng service charge na di dapat dahil lifetime free service nga daw sila.
Sino pa kaya ang nabiktima nila ng ganitong klaseng serbisyo?
Sana di ka mapasama.
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vtec3,
If you're ready to deal with them, proceed. If not, call the store and cancel it and tell them you've changed your mind and would prefer a different brand. Anyway, you have a long leadtime. They may have not ordered it yet.
Tignan mo naman ang pagkakatulad ng aming experiences, obvious na gusto talaga lamangan ang customer. Kay dB10 nagpapadagdag ng sobra-sobra pa sa store price. Ganon din sa akin, nagpapadagdag pa kahit mas mababa na sa store, at nang di sila nakakuha ng dagdag sa akin, binawi yong free rack. Kay mouldingo overpricing ng parts at pagkatapos matawaran maniningil ng service charge na di dapat dahil lifetime free service nga daw sila.
Sino pa kaya ang nabiktima nila ng ganitong klaseng serbisyo?
Sana di ka mapasama.
with what I have read so far, most likely will get another brand na lang. hopefully lang the price difference will not be much. salamat sa mga paalala!
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Sir vtec3, sabihin mo sa retailer natakot ka dahil nabalitaan mo kung gaanong kagaling ang service ng Hitachi Philippines :D .
sir barrister, parang medyo madugo na din yung experience ko sa pagpili kung ano ang aking bibilhin LCD or Plasma. when i was about to bring home a 40" LCD medyo umatras ako dahil the sales person was asking for a commission because she was able to work out daw a lower price for me. being also in sales i don't want din my sales people to make money that way.
now naman that i decided na to get a Plasma yung napili ko naman brand eh mayron palang history ng bad customer service :(
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wanted to get sana the Pioneer kaya lang it was selling at 150k parang at that price isang 42" Plasma and 32" LCD na
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I went through 2 extensive demo within a span of 6 months, first in september of 06 and second in february 07, i saw last year's models and this year's, try mo lang to watch on a pioneer plasma with a good dvd player either on hdmi or component cable using a very good bootleg dvd or better yet an original dvd, if you ask me, i will not trade it for a cheaper plasma + lcd combo, unless i really really really need 2 tv sets and the budget is tight, otherwise ;D pio nirvana and we're not even talking about the elite series at that!
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impressive talaga yung Pioneer. maganda yung noise filtering pati yung black level ang ganda din. actually did a side by side comparisson with Hitachi using The Replacement, yung hair nung negro na kulot sa Hitachi kita mo lang itim while sa Pioneer you can really see the curl.
hopefully pagbalik ko bumaba pa na konti yung price nung Pioneer ;) or benta ko na lang yung aking RPTV which is very seldomly used. Pati kahon nito intact pa ;) and dagdag ko na lang para maka bili ako ng Pioneer ;D
if only puwedeng magbitbit ng Plasma from the US ;D
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impressive talaga yung Pioneer. maganda yung noise filtering pati yung black level ang ganda din. actually did a side by side comparisson with Hitachi using The Replacement, yung hair nung negro na kulot sa Hitachi kita mo lang itim while sa Pioneer you can really see the curl.
hopefully pagbalik ko bumaba pa na konti yung price nung Pioneer ;) or benta ko na lang yung aking RPTV which is very seldomly used. Pati kahon nito intact pa ;) and dagdag ko na lang para maka bili ako ng Pioneer ;D
if only puwedeng magbitbit ng Plasma from the US ;D
i think that will be a better plan, save up for the better unit since meron ka pa naman magagamit ;)
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impressive talaga yung Pioneer. maganda yung noise filtering pati yung black level ang ganda din.
Personally, I like Pioneer as a company.
Pioneer recently suffered heavy financial losses due to a bad business decision, but the quality of its plasma TVs is still top-notch. The Pioneer plasma division's vision and strategy remain unchanged --- it still wants to maintain its status as the high-end player in the plasma market.
In 2004, Pioneer paid 40 billion yen for the plasma display panel manufacturing operations of NEC Corp., which at the time had Sony Corp. as its biggest plasma panel OEM client.
When Sony discontinued its plasma TV line, Pioneer faced overcapacity problems at a time when plasma TV prices were declining rapidly. That's when Pioneer's financial difficulties started.
But Pioneer is bouncing back. This fiscal year, they report an operating profit of 12.49 Bln. Yen, reversing a loss of 16.41 Bln. yen the year before. According to Pioneer, the reversal was due to sales of plasma displays, car navigation systems and DVD drives overseas and domestically, and also a weak Yen.
The good financial news came just after Pioneer recently announced their new 8th Generation Project Kuro line of plasma TVs, with a 20,000:1 contrast ratio that will be leaps and bounds ahead of the technology of its plasma arch-rival Panasonic.
Things are looking very good for Pioneer.
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another admirable decision of Pioneer is that it has disapproved Pioneer Australia's suggestion to acquire OEM LCD panel and brand/badge them Pioneer in order to boost their sales and profit as this is the industry trend, they would rather stay in the red and do cost cutting and other profit enhancement rather than selling something that they actually did not have control producing thus in the end it may actually hurt their reputation of quality should these LCD sell(like hotcakes for sure with a pioneer badge) but conk out unexplicably.
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Finally got the Pioneer 427xg last night after months of soul searching. It was calibrated by an ISF certified Pioneer technician. I am very pleased with the result. Now I can use my Helios h4000 upconverting player to play my dvds in 720p. Although the Pio was more expensive than the Viera pv600h ( my first choice which has an sd card slot and dual tuners), what made me finally decide was the 3d like picture quality of the Pioneer and its impressive noise filtering. Many thanks to all the Pioneer plasma owners in this forum who pushed me in the right direction!
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Finally got the Pioneer 427xg last night after months of soul searching.
Ay salamat ... di ba it was only 3 weeks ago when you were seriously considering the Hitachi 9500 plasma?
I hope the warnings from our concerned members dissuaded you from making a potentially disastrous decision.
Congrats!!
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Finally got the Pioneer 427xg last night after months of soul searching. It was calibrated by an ISF certified Pioneer technician. I am very pleased with the result. Now I can use my Helios h4000 upconverting player to play my dvds in 720p. Although the Pio was more expensive than the Viera pv600h ( my first choice which has an sd card slot and dual tuners), what made me finally decide was the 3d like picture quality of the Pioneer and its impressive noise filtering. Many thanks to all the Pioneer plasma owners in this forum who pushed me in the right direction!
Congratulations! reviews naman dyan! i recommend Batman begins, LOR 3 ROK and Jurassic 3 (actually any title really comes alive with this pio ;D )
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I recommend Pirates of the Caribbean 2 and Casino Royale.
They're my latest demo clips. Both high contrast and high saturation.
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I watched LOTR Return of the King yesterday and the isf settings were a little softer on the eyes, which provided as Sir Barrister said, a more film-like picture. The stock movie settings have a lot less detail. The dynamic settings area little too bright. I programmed the user settings as advised by one of the aussie forums and used it for my cable viewing. Btw, cable viewing with Destiny, split into countless tvs, was pretty good. As clear as my father's 34 inch crt, but a little less so than my 29 inch LG 100hz Lafinion. I'm getting used to the size of the screen which is more than twice the size of my old 29" crt. All in all, I'm very satisfied with the Plasma, while it may not have the detail and clarity of the 1080p lcd's, it can more than hold its own when it comes to viewing dvd's and cable! What made me finally decide against the Hitachi was the horror stories that our fellow forum members had with their service! Also playing a large part in my decision was the side-by-side comparison of the 3 units I had in mind, Pio 427, Viera pv600, and the Hitachi 9500. We know as buyers that Pioneer is coming out with its 8th gen plasma the second half of this year, but I feel the chance to get the current model at half it's introductory price which was around 279k was too hard to resist!
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wow that's quite a line up you made there on the side-by-side duel, care to give us the run down why you came to your decision and also the prices of each unit
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The Panasonic Viera 42PV600H (dual tuners and sd card slot) was 125k cash. The Hitachi 42pd9500 was 90k cash. The Pioneer 427xg was 135k cash. So basicaly I chose the Pioneer over the other brands which had better features because of its picture quality. Another thing that made me choose the Pioneer was that it has a maximum consumption of 293 watts, as compared to the Hitachi and Panasonic at about 380 watts. This means that the Pioneer is more energy efficient and should in all likelihood run cooler. Hope this helps other forum members in making their decisions.
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those are fantastic prices, specially on the pioneer what store did you get these prices? i assume this comes with local pioneer warranty?
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The prices are from the Listening Room in Megamall. The Pioneer and Panasonic comes with local warranty. The Hitachi comes with the store warranty only.
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OMG what else can you ask for? good price and good pq with local warranty, thats big price drop from what i paid for the pio427 at Avant G4, go forth and enjoy your new tv!!! Sarap sa mata talaga :o
its good that nobody there was able to convince you to get an LCD instead ;D
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Just to update my co-plasma enthusiasts ;D
I ended with an LCD, Samsung 40S81. The deciding factor was Samsungs reputation of good customer service. I considered Sharp's new PX series and also Samsungs R81. But their 40-in are 20K+ more expensive and I can't shell out that amount anymore.
The R81 and PX5M have deeper color rendetion and better black level than the S81. But the S81 is not that far, not as far as the 20K in price difference. The S81 already have good black rendetion, not the dark gray that I use to see when I was auditioning for LCD early this year. I say better than the early Bordeaux series.
Personally, I still prefer the PQ of plasma. But I will get use to the PQ of LCD.
At least for now I can feel more assured that if, just in case, I need some servicing I will receive a good service from Samsung. But I pray I will not need any servicing for the life of my LCD.
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Hi,
I'm really new to this... I bought a hitachi 42pd9500ta. As i've gathered a lot of people here hate the product because of the bad after sales serive that the company has. I bought this tv before knowing all your reactions from this thread as i've only discovered this forum today. I'm quite happy with the plasma tv, i bought it a little before february i think. I bought it because i needed a upgrade from my sd tv to accomodate my ps3. This was the only 1080p capable set that time that was in my budget.
I guess my question is that having tried playing 1080p games with my ps3 and i know this isn't full 1080p hd tv set, so what am i missing in terms of picture quality over the full 1080p sets? I find my picture quality with my ps3 games fine. And it says it's playing 1080p. What is the difference?
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whoah.... for the quoted prices around here, you can definitely afford this one,
the HP PL5060N. 50" of plasma glory for only Php105k:
(http://www.ultimateavmag.com/images/archivesart/207hp50.1.jpg)
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=66556.0 (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=66556.0)
this has an LG panel, but reviews have been quite good, like here:
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-and-plasma/hp-pl5060n-50-plasma/4505-6482_7-31846217.html (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-and-plasma/hp-pl5060n-50-plasma/4505-6482_7-31846217.html)
and here: http://www.ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/207hp5060/ (http://www.ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/207hp5060/)
Despite a few issues I'll get to a bit further on, I was surprised at just how much I enjoyed watching this 1366x768 plasma, particularly considering the extended time I've spent lately with 1080p LCD displays. LCD has come a long way, and seems poised to do even better as manufacturers find ways to improve its biggest remaining weakness: blacks.
my only problem is how to mount this behemoth. weight is at 52kgs. even my HT rack (now with a 29" 40kg crt) might not be able to carry this much load.
anyway, got this quote from another forum:
LCD displays suit bright showrooms because their poor contrast ratios are hidden in bright conditions .. When lights are on LCD blacks actually look pretty close to black and the difference between plasma and LCD is less noticeable.
However. Be-warned .. Once you get an LCD home, into your living room, turn down the lights to watch a movie, the horror will be very visible ..
Even I have been caught by this and I should have known better .. I got sucked into buying a LCD being told that the black / contrast levels had been fixed. That claim looked pretty reasonable in the shop. Got it home, switched off the lights .. Different story ..
any thoughts from the gurus? agree or disagree? does it still apply today?
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Just to update my co-plasma enthusiasts ;D
I ended with an LCD, Samsung 40S81. The deciding factor was Samsungs reputation of good customer service. I considered Sharp's new PX series and also Samsungs R81. But their 40-in are 20K+ more expensive and I can't shell out that amount anymore.
Personally, I still prefer the PQ of plasma. But I will get use to the PQ of LCD.
At least for now I can feel more assured that if, just in case, I need some servicing I will receive a good service from Samsung. But I pray I will not need any servicing for the life of my LCD.
jvm,
well at least tapos na ang problem mo, have a happy transition! keep us posted on the new find ;)
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jvm,
well at least tapos na ang problem mo, have a happy transition! keep us posted on the new find ;)
Oo nga bro.
Masasanay din ako sa LCD.
Thanks.
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anyway, got this quote from another forum:
LCD displays suit bright showrooms because their poor contrast ratios are hidden in bright conditions .. When lights are on LCD blacks actually look pretty close to black and the difference between plasma and LCD is less noticeable.
However. Be-warned .. Once you get an LCD home, into your living room, turn down the lights to watch a movie, the horror will be very visible ..
Even I have been caught by this and I should have known better .. I got sucked into buying a LCD being told that the black / contrast levels had been fixed. That claim looked pretty reasonable in the shop. Got it home, switched off the lights .. Different story ..
any thoughts from the gurus? agree or disagree? does it still apply today?
Because there is always light leakage in between pixels. So it's more noticeable in a dark viewing room.
What you can do is to adjust backlighting or use energy saving modes. And don't watch in a totally dark room.
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LCD displays suit bright showrooms because their poor contrast ratios are hidden in bright conditions .. When lights are on LCD blacks actually look pretty close to black and the difference between plasma and LCD is less noticeable.
However. Be-warned .. Once you get an LCD home, into your living room, turn down the lights to watch a movie, the horror will be very visible ..
Even I have been caught by this and I should have known better .. I got sucked into buying a LCD being told that the black / contrast levels had been fixed. That claim looked pretty reasonable in the shop. Got it home, switched off the lights .. Different story ..
Made a verification about this last night, I turned off all lights and watched. The effect is not as horrible as the quote would like to tell us. The effect is just like turning down Contrast a few notches down. So tama lang, kasi for me pag gabi ako nanonood at patay ilaw sa sala, binababa ko rin talaga ang Contrast. With my LCD now, I even use the energy saver and set it to Medium, to get a comfortable brightness level.
Siguro nga sa mga new LCD's now di na issue eto, lalo na at matataas na mga contrast ratio ng mga naglalabasang models.
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That's good to know, sir jvm.
I watch cable in normal lighting conditions, but I like to watch movies in the dark. Since response time is a non-issue for LCDs these days, it's fair to say that the LCD-plasma difference is now closer than ever.
With proper calibration, you observed good black levels on your LCD even in a dark room. Please comment on black level details. When contrast, brightness and backlight are turned down in a dark room, do you lose shadow detail? Or OK lang ang details?
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That's good to know, sir jvm.
I watch cable in normal lighting conditions, but I like to watch movies in the dark. Since response time is a non-issue for LCDs these days, it's fair to say that the LCD-plasma difference is now closer than ever.
With proper calibration, you observed good black levels on your LCD even in a dark room. Please comment on black level details. When contrast, brightness and backlight are turned down in a dark room, do you lose shadow detail? Or OK lang ang details?
In a dark room, you can still achieve good black level detail. Although LCD's black in a dark room is more of dark gray na due to the effect of light leakage. Kung hahabolin mo yong black talaga, nawawala na ibang detail. Pero comparing it with my former plasma, di naman na ganon kalayo. Nagiging narrow din viewing angle ng LCD pag dark room, pero di naman issue ito kasi directly in front lang naman tayo nanonood.
I really can say, mas improved talaga black level ng bagong Samsung ngayon. I used Sin City to test black levels. Mas black talaga ngayon kumpara sa mga na test kong dating mga LCD ng Samsung, Philips, Toshiba, Sharp, etc.
Besides the Contrast and Brightness settings, I also use the Backlight, Energy Conservation function, Black level settings ng Samsung LCD para makuha ko ang gusto kong picture quality.
Depende rin sa modelo ng LCD. Sa tingin ko yong Samsung R81 mas magiging maganda black level detail nya sa dark room. Kasi noong nasa store pa lang ako namimili, kahit taasan mo Brightness ng R81 di nagiging washout ang picture. May pagkakaiba daw yong panel ng R81 sa S81.
Sa bright viewing room, black talaga tingin ko sa black ng S81. As most of us know, dito naman lamang and LCD kumpara sa Plasma. Dati pag nanonood ako sa Plasma during the day, naglalagay pa ako shade sa bintana para mabawasan lighting. Pero mas maganda gray scaling ng plasma.
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Atty, paki post naman ang ginagamit mong bias lighting. Try ko nga kung makakatulong sa LCD pag dark room viewing.
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Thanks for the detailed review, bosing.
Atty, paki post naman ang ginagamit mong bias lighting. Try ko nga kung makakatulong sa LCD pag dark room viewing.
Nakakahiya naman, jologs lang talaga ang bias light ko.... ;D
As you know, I do not like high-end gear. For me, setting up a good AV system at the lowest possible cost is more fun than spending unreasonable amounts on the latest and greatest.
I use a 3-watt night light, Gartim brand, available at hardware stores in malls and at supermarkets. Price is about P100. Color is white, color temperature is 6,900 K.
It's bluer by only 400K above the recommended color temp, so the color is acceptable. Besides, my back wall is orange colored wallpaper, which is far from the recommended neutral-colored wall (white or gray), so a 400K difference would not be significant.
Quality is hit or miss. My yellow bulb (2,700K) is OK, but my white bulb flickered after less than 10 hours of use, when it's supposedly rated at 10,000 hours. I got a new white bulb, and it's working just fine now.
The bulb is screwed onto a generic socket-switch-wire-plug set. The socket and push-thru switch look like this:
(http://www.paxtonhardware.com/images/2386.gif)
The assembly is hooked to the rear of the TV using a Command cord clip by 3M:
(http://solutions.3m.com/3MContentRetrievalAPI/BlobServlet?locale=en_US&univid=1114282657328&fallback=true&assetType=MMM_Image&blobAttribute=ImageFile&placeId=32823&version=current)
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Atty, Salamat sir.
I'll try this. May Gartim akong night light sa bahay na di naman ginagamit, socket na lang kulang.
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You're very welcome, sir.
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Matsu$hita, Hitachi join forces in plasma screens
Thu May 24, 2007 5:05AM EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUST2186920070524 (http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUST2186920070524)
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mga sir, tanong lang po. newbie lang po ako dito. im currently looking for a plasma tv na 40+ inches. budget ko po is 100-140thou. ano ba po yung mga highly-rated na pasok sa budget? i would really appreciate it if you can post the pros and cons of the different units.
from my initial research, mukhang maganda yung reviews ng hitachi 42PD9800 sa cnet asia. pero yun nga lang, mukhang nakakatakot talaga yung customer service nila. is this unit worth the hassle ba?
thanks in advance!
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medyo OT:
As you know, I do not like high-end gear. For me, setting up a good AV system at the lowest possible cost is more fun than spending unreasonable amounts on the latest and greatest.
haha! my thoughts exactly.... which applies to my other hobby also - computers. i don't have the latest and greatest, more like m.o.r. (middle of the road). as you said, it is more fun that way. it's funny how some people can spend upwards of 10k just to get that few extra points in a benchmark... or 1000 more dynamic contrast ratio from a flat panel.
actually, ang acquisition ko lang na medyo lumagpas sa threshold ko is my harman-kardon avr5500... only becoz me kahirapan i-drive ang diamond 9's ko. (well, not exactly mahirap... but talagang lumalabas potential nya if driven properly). i use gauge 14 (fronts/center) and gauge 16 (surrounds) speaker cables from ace hardware, and audiopro component cables for video. nothing exotic or esoteric for me, mostly because i can't afford them also.
mga sir, tanong lang po. newbie lang po ako dito. im currently looking for a plasma tv na 40+ inches. budget ko po is 100-140thou. ano ba po yung mga highly-rated na pasok sa budget? i would really appreciate it if you can post the pros and cons of the different units.
balik topic tayo.
for me i'm currently eyeing the panasonic 42pv60. there had been good reviews for the 42pw8 and 42pa60 of panasonic, both of which are ED panels. i was really tempted to get either one of them or the toshiba 42wp66, or even the akai/sansui pdp-42td1, all ED panels... given the above strategy and the fact that most sources now are still 480i/480p. what held me though is the lack of hdmi port* and the fact that they are still priced in the 80-85k range, while the 42pv60 was offered to me at ~90k... a very minimal difference at these prices. 5k to upgrade to a 1024x768 panel with hdmi. 42pv60 is just a nudge under the semi-flagship (locally, that is) 42pv600. difference is the SD slot and just a bit better processing.
*well, at the ED resolution, you might not really have much of a need for the hdmi port. but it is something nice to have epecially if you can have it for next to nothing.
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*well, at the ED resolution, you might not really have much of a need for the hdmi port. but it is something nice to have epecially if you can have it for next to nothing.
Actually, may silbi din sa EDTV ko ang ang HDMI --- I use it for non-anamorphic widescreen DVDs.
I zoom non-anamorphic widescreen DVDs to fill the screen because a windowbox format is just unwatchable for me. The zoomed picture quality improves when upscaled via HMDI.
For most plasma TVs, no zoom function is available for upconverted images. That's why I was pleasantly surprised to find that my Panasonic 42PA60M can zoom an upscaled input.
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So far, I'm happy with the hitachi 42pd9500ta. It has the same specs as the 429800ta except for the motorized swivel stand, PIP and the card slots. PQ is fine and i enjoy playing my ps3 at 1080p even thought its not a real full 1080p hd panel. But the PQ is already good for me. I'm wall mounting it so there's no reason for me to get the motorized swivel. So far, wala pa ako experience with the horror stories associated with customer service kasi ok pa performance ng unit ko. Hope it all stays well.
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thanks for the input guys.
i went to anson's kanina after work. may dalawa ako nakita na okay.... Philips 42PF7520G and Panasonic TH-42PA60M. mukhang okay naman yung dalawa pero syempre wala akong ka-alam-alam how to spot which one is better. sir barrister, kamusta naman performance ng panasonic mo?
and btw, what's EDTV? ???
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sir barrister, kamusta naman performance ng panasonic mo?
Very good for Standard DVD, including compressed DVD5.
and btw, what's EDTV? ???
Enhanced Definition TV. ED refers to resolution (480p).
Don't bother with EDTV if you're shopping for a new 42" Panasonic Viera.
The Panasonic Philippines website phased out its EDTVs and introduced two new 42 inchers for the Phil. 10th generation line, both 768p:
(http://panasonic.com.ph/viera/newpdp/th-50pv700hbig.jpg)
TH-42PV700H
(http://panasonic.com.ph/viera/newpdp/th-42pv70h%20big.jpg)
TH-42PV70H
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Pioneer's 8th Generation Project Kuro Plasmas Invade Europe! ;D
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Very good for Standard DVD, including compressed DVD5.
Enhanced Definition TV. ED refers to resolution (480p).
Don't bother with EDTV if you're shopping for a new 42" Panasonic Viera.
The Panasonic Philippines website phased out its EDTVs and introduced two new 42 inchers for the Phil. 10th generation line, both 768p:
TH-42PV700H
TH-42PV70H
meron na ba SRP ng dalawang models sir? parang wala pa ako nakikita na ganyan naka-display.
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Wala pa sir. Website pa lang ako nakakita. Pag may SRP na, ilalagay nila yun sa website.
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Got myself a Hitachi PD 9800. Hopefully hindi ako magka problem with this unit and hindi ko ma experience yung mga horror stories ng fellow members dito ;)
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meron na ba SRP ng dalawang models sir? parang wala pa ako nakikita na ganyan naka-display.
the 42pv70 was quoted to me at P125k, but expect the srp to be a little higher.
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Got myself a Hitachi PD 9800. Hopefully hindi ako magka problem with this unit and hindi ko ma experience yung mga horror stories ng fellow members dito ;)
vtec3, you have my wholehearted wish for a happy ownership of the 9800, keep us posted for a review and price feedback for others info
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SRP 109,950 - Paid 60k thru 12 mths zero interest and 44,950 cash (Php 104,950). Was given discount on the cash portion I paid ;)
Still testing. Have not read the manual yet. Have watched The Rock Criterion and XXX 2 both appeared with black bars top and bottom, don't know why ???
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got some info from a reliable source... november 2007 daw ang philippine release ng Pioneer ''Kuro'' 8th gen plasmas.
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hi plasma folks! a newbie here from singapore. ;D ok din ba yung samsung PS42C91HX?
nasa 2200 sg dollars po sya with 8ft monster HDMI cable.
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hi plasma folks! a newbie here from singapore. ;D ok din ba yung samsung PS42C91HX?
nasa 2200 sg dollars po sya with 8ft monster HDMI cable.
I also got to test this model at the store. I was not satisfied with the PQ, too soft for me. The Q-series is better. Kaya lang 50in lang yata ang Q-series (well at least here in the Phil). Try it and compare.
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hi guys, i have a question. Im wondering why most 42" plasma have 1024x768 resolution. Di ba yung ganyan resolution is for 4:3. So does it mean na yung mga plasma na ganyan yung resolution is just 4:3 na stretched yung picture. Medyo naguguluhan lang ako. Mga gurus can you enlighten me on this one. Thanks!
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No, sir. Hindi ganun yon. Any plasma panel can correctly display a 16:9 or 2.35:1 widescreen image without stretching. Ang internal scaler ng TV ang bahalang gumawa ng tamang image.
In a 1024 x 768 native resolution panel, if the signal received by the panel is not exactly 1024 x 768, the image cannot be displayed. Thus, the panel's internal scaler always has to convert the incoming resolution to exactly 1024 x 768.
For example, a standard DVD has a resolution of 720 x 480 (for NTSC format). An upscaling DVD player can convert the signal to 720p (1280 x 720). After conversion to 720p, can the TV display the signal? Not yet, because the signal still does not exactly match the panel's native resolution. The TV must further convert the 720p signal via its own internal scaler to 1024 x 768 so that the image can be displayed.
Even if the native resolution of 1024 x 768 is actually a 4:3 ratio, the panel's internal scalers are correctly programmed to display a widescreen image without stretching.
Take the Hitachi plasma as an extreme example. The new Hitachi plasmas have a native resolution of 1024 x 1080. Note that there are less horizontal than vertical pixels, yet the panel still displays a widescreen image without stretching.
... Im wondering why most 42" plasma have 1024x768 resolution. ...
Ginaya kasi ng LCD & plasma ang 1024 x768 na XGA video standard for computers.
The high-res XGA standard is 1024 × 768 pixels, intially with a palette of 256 colors. Later, XGA-2 added high color support for 1024 x 768.
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Pioneer 42'' 8th gen Kuro Plasma from the AVS Forums
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Sir [r]ichkri3g is right about the next gen Pioneer plasma.
Sir maserati, if you're shopping for a plasma, the best in the local market today is Panasonic's latest Viera. But if you can wait for the next gen Pioneer Kuro plasma, I'm sure it will be worth the wait. The Pioneer Kuro's technology will be leaps and bounds beyond any plasma we've seen to date.
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Haven't checked the latest Pioneers yet, but if you prefer non-glare/glossy plasmas, only Panasonic has them at the moment.
Expect Pioneer to be subtantially more expensive than Panasonic for the same panel size. Layo kase ng market share and economies of scale between those 2 companies right now. But yeah, Pioneer color saturation is quite excellent.
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The Pioneer Kuro black levels will be 80% blacker than the previous models. Contrast ratio will be 20,000:1, as against the Viera's 10,000:1 Max ratio. Of course, the Kuro also has an anti-glare coating.
All in all, the Kuro's tech will be way, way ahead of Panasonic.
Press releases priced the 42" Kuro at US$2,700. Not bad.. not bad at all...
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Didnt know that Pioneer also offers the plasma panel that looks like an LCD when off; non-glossy surface, not just coating. I had to touch the Viera screen to verify that it is hard glass (as opposed to the "softer" feel of LCD surface).
Got to check those 8th gen Pioneers.
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bro matanong lang ano specific model ang Pioneer Kuru? 42 ang 50 inch salamat
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Pioneer 8th Gen Plasma = Pioneer's Project Kuro
42'' = PDP-4280HD
50'' = PDP-5080HD
these are the models that were recently released in the US.
im not sure if Pioneer will be using the same model nos. for the asian countries specifically the Philippines.
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net surfing with samsung 43" plasma via PS3 @ 1080i ;D
(http://caleb.photonski.com/large/aiebo/139337-large-samsung42a.jpg)
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Pioneer 508XD 8th Gen Kuro 50'' 1080p Plasma HDTV
Chicken Little (Blu-Ray)
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Casino Royale (Blu-Ray)
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Guys how long will i expect my plasma tv to last? I mean how many years? Is it true that using the anti burn-in function, like displaying all white screen for 1hr will degrade the life of my plasma tv. I'm kinda worried about burn-in kasi eh. Plus, how do i know if i have burn-in? I can see a shadow of some logo when i put on the all white screen but can't see it when i watch tv, is this burn in? Most of the time kasi my kid watches in this tv and keeps the channel in nickelodeon for a long time and the is kinda visible on the white screen.
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Guys how long will i expect my plasma tv to last? I mean how many years? Is
the new models will last 60,000 hrs. so if you watch 8 hours a day everyday it will last you 20 years ;)
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nukkee, yup that seems like burn in all right.
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oh darn, its a burn in already? I've been careful, and i use the anti burn-in often before, but somebody said it greatly reduces my plasma's longevity. It's very faint on the plain white screen anyway, and it's not visible any other time except when i put the pure white scree, which is the anti burn in function.
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Pioneer 508XD 8th Gen Kuro 50'' 1080p Plasma HDTV
Chicken Little (Blu-Ray)
Casino Royale (Blu-Ray)
wow, ang linaw!! ganda talaga ng pioneer plasmas! :o :o
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if you get a chance to buy a pioneer plasma on a bargain/sale as the new model comes in (sale not bec refurb), its one of the best decisions in your life...you should feel vey lucky! nakakalaway talaga ang 8th gen pio! cant wait to see it on the store floor and see it personally!
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Comparison of 7G & 8G (Kuro) Pioneer Plasmas
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7G = Below
8G = Above
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Comparison of 7G & 8G (Kuro) Pioneer Plasmas
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7G = Below
8G = Above
HI can i ask where you got these pictures from? looks like the location is a house or a home-office, is it here locally na?
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^^ got it from the AVS Forums. :)
Pioneer 8th Gen Kuro Plasma Philippine Launch = November/December 2007
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nukkee, yup that seems like burn in all right.
burn in is the only issue (and a major one at that) that's holding me back in buying a plasma. we watch SDTV with black bars on the sides coz i can't stand them stretched, squatted pictures! i fear the burn in of them black bars... and also of the channel logos, etc.
also use our HDTV for gaming and as a monitor. no burn-in issues with LCD so so far, so good.
really want the plasma PQ though so i'm in a dilemma.
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Well mine was gone after a few hours of the anti burn-in function of the TV. However, i cannot deny the fact that I'm a little bit paranoid with burn-in at the moment. But in truth image retention and burn-in are only noticeable when you look for them and under pure white or black background. Sometimes i think it's there but most people don't see it. I think i just see it because I'm paranoid already. I use my plasma with gaming through the ps3. You just have to take care of it. Put it in pause or just change channel when you are playing long enough.
It is really a trade to think off. But PQ of plasma is still ahead of LCD specially in terms of broadcast television and normal dvd's. Of course it's closer when it comes to high definition videos. But how often do you watch DVD's, bluray, hd dvd, etc., compared to broadcast TV. I still think plasma is a better choice, when you are really using it for viewing, for a monitor no question the lcd is the winner.
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finally decided to get the panasonic 50pv70. break in time! hehe
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finally decided to get the panasonic 50pv70. break in time! hehe
konting oras na lang and puro happy moments na ;) sulit talaga yan Plasma ;D
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konting oras na lang and puro happy moments na ;) sulit talaga yan Plasma ;D
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bro! hehe kelangn talaga sulitin para sulit din ang gastos! hehe ;D
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bro! hehe kelangn talaga sulitin para sulit din ang gastos! hehe ;D
yup i know yung sakin nagsimula sa Plasma ngayon Pasma na ako kaka kayod ;D as i told you need to change din my HT para kumpleto sa feeling ;) feeling walang pera ;D ;D
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yup i know yung sakin nagsimula sa Plasma ngayon Pasma na ako kaka kayod ;D as i told you need to change din my HT para kumpleto sa feeling ;) feeling walang pera ;D ;D
haha sinabi mo pa bro! parang bgla nga ko tuloy nahawa sayo!!!! haha parang naliliitan ako tuloy tingnan yung speakers ko...haha pero these MS can really sing! ano balak mo speakers?
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yup i know yung sakin nagsimula sa Plasma ngayon Pasma na ako kaka kayod ;D as i told you need to change din my HT para kumpleto sa feeling ;) feeling walang pera ;D ;D
bros, ganun din naman, kung hindi a/v sure na iba naman gastusan natin, mabuti na ito walang sabit kahit anong oras natin gusto gamitin walang by-product na problema, sa kuryente lang!
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bros, ganun din naman, kung hindi a/v sure na iba naman gastusan natin, mabuti na ito walang sabit kahit anong oras natin gusto gamitin walang by-product na problema, sa kuryente lang!
tama ka dyan bro! buti yung napag gastusan natin ay nakikita n nagagamit mo lagi! hehe ;D
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bros, ganun din naman, kung hindi a/v sure na iba naman gastusan natin, mabuti na ito walang sabit kahit anong oras natin gusto gamitin walang by-product na problema, sa kuryente lang!
agree ako diyan, no regrets sa Plasma purchase ;) yun nga lang the price of the units now are cheaper compared to mths ago :(
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haha sinabi mo pa bro! parang bgla nga ko tuloy nahawa sayo!!!! haha parang naliliitan ako tuloy tingnan yung speakers ko...haha pero these MS can really sing! ano balak mo speakers?
When I was planning to buy the Plasma, it was just a matter of timing dahil konti lang ang choices ;) but with the upgrade in speakers naku mahirap, buti na lang madami mabait sa forum na handang tumulong at magbigay ng suggestions (b&w, paradigm, mission not decided pa. Over budget na) ;)
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kailangan ba mag color calibration mga plasma as suggested by the current issue of HWM?
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When I was planning to buy the Plasma, it was just a matter of timing dahil konti lang ang choices ;) but with the upgrade in speakers naku mahirap, buti na lang madami mabait sa forum na handang tumulong at magbigay ng suggestions (b&w, paradigm, mission not decided pa. Over budget na) ;)
haha ayan na ang SARS bro! wala yatang gamot dyan....hehe patay kung patay! bili na! pa audi nalng ha? hehe ;D
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Enhanced Definition TV. ED refers to resolution (480p).
Don't bother with EDTV if you're shopping for a new 42" Panasonic Viera.
The Panasonic Philippines website phased out its EDTVs and introduced two new 42 inchers for the Phil. 10th generation line, both 768p:
Just got Panasonic TH42PWD8 EDTV only last monday @ LIS festival for 66K ;D, (with speakers/all inputs except HDMI/tv tuner/wall bracket with 2 yrs local panasonic warranty) purely for TV watching/videoke lang and for my 4yr old son na mahilig ulitin yung mga disney cartoons nya. Installed it behind my 108" PJ screen, so far im very satisfied sa PQ kahit 480p lang. Upgradable naman for HDMI module terminal board (720P?) $120+ yata ito sa u.s. kaya no problem for 720p upgrades ;D
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congrats on a happy purchase! Thats a nice price for a 42" monitor.
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Just got Panasonic TH42PWD8 EDTV only last monday @ LIS festival for 66K ;D, (with speakers/all inputs except HDMI/tv tuner/wall bracket with 2 yrs local panasonic warranty) purely for TV watching/videoke lang and for my 4yr old son na mahilig ulitin yung mga disney cartoons nya. Installed it behind my 108" PJ screen, so far im very satisfied sa PQ kahit 480p lang. Upgradable naman for HDMI module terminal board (720P?) $120+ yata ito sa u.s. kaya no problem for 720p upgrades ;D
did you check out the prices at theaterworks? i think they have a edtv for 49k (without speakers/tiuner) and a complete one for about the same price as you got with wall bracket.... ako nga im leaning towards the vizio na P55k (720p) kasi may pip/pop functions na
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did you check out the prices at theaterworks? i think they have a edtv for 49k (without speakers/tiuner) and a complete one for about the same price as you got with wall bracket.... ako nga im leaning towards the vizio na P55k (720p) kasi may pip/pop functions na
complete na wala lang hdmi input/s at stand.... complete with tv tuner/component/pc input/wall brackets/speakers, nagkamali lang ako ng sulat ;D not bad for 66k plasma edtv : ;)... nakita ko yung 49k walang tuner/etc talagang monitor lang.
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... ako nga im leaning towards the vizio na P55k (720p) kasi may pip/pop functions na
ganun din yung sakin with pip/pop functions din yun nga lang 420p lang sya gud for standard dvd may WOW factor din... can also be upgrade to 720p for 6k (order kalang abroad) dito kasi sabi nila nasa 13k daw pa-upgrade :(
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ganun din yung sakin with pip/pop functions din yun nga lang 420p lang sya gud for standard dvd may WOW factor din... can also be upgrade to 720p for 6k (order kalang abroad) dito kasi sabi nila nasa 13k daw pa-upgrade :(
I have auditioned that model when prices was a lot more higher than how much you got it for. And I agree na may WOW factor din when watching standard DVDs ;) Congrats on your purchase!
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I have auditioned that model when prices was a lot more higher than how much you got it for. And I agree na may WOW factor din when watching standard DVDs ;) Congrats on your purchase!
thank you sir, got it @66k complete na... ;D pang cable tv viewing lang nman at standard dvd ;)
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Just got Panasonic TH42PWD8 EDTV only last monday @ LIS festival for 66K ;D, (with speakers/all inputs except HDMI/tv tuner/wall bracket with 2 yrs local panasonic warranty) purely for TV watching/videoke lang and for my 4yr old son na mahilig ulitin yung mga disney cartoons nya. Installed it behind my 108" PJ screen, so far im very satisfied sa PQ kahit 480p lang. Upgradable naman for HDMI module terminal board (720P?) $120+ yata ito sa u.s. kaya no problem for 720p upgrades ;D
Congrats on your fine purchase, sir Toslink! Try it on a standard DVD and you'll be surprised at how well it handles the input.
I myself am using a Panasonic EDTV, and I'm very satisfied. They've had a lot of time to get EDTV right, so the picture is probably as good as plasma can get for standard DVD at recommended viewing distances.
Even the 10th generation consumer model Panasonic still has minor defects, you know. My 42" 9G model (consumer 480p) has absolutely no buzz even on an all-white screen, and has absolutely no purple snakes. However, I've been reading on the web that the 42" 10G model (768p) has buzzing and minor purple snake artifacts.
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From http://www.th42px70.co.uk/ (http://www.th42px70.co.uk/):
Weaknesses:
- Some mild posterization and magenta noise in scenes containing subtle gradation
- Some high-frequency buzz during scenes with high contrast
From http://ezinearticles.com/?TH-42PX70-Review---Panasonic-Viera-42-1080p-Plasma-TV&id=501860 (http://ezinearticles.com/?TH-42PX70-Review---Panasonic-Viera-42-1080p-Plasma-TV&id=501860):
The previous generation of Panasonic plasmas was haunted with what is known as "purple snake" or "purple ants", where purple bands or pixels with appear around green areas with small change of gradient. In the TH-42PX70 I couldn't really see it when sitting from 8 feet away, but if I move closer to the screen at say 3 feet I would notice it... IF I'm looking for it. Just something worth bearing in mind.
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Congrats on your fine purchase, sir Toslink! Try it on a standard DVD and you'll be surprised at how well it handles the input.
I myself am using a Panasonic EDTV, and I'm very satisfied. They've had a lot of time to get EDTV right, so the picture is probably as good as plasma can get for standard DVD at recommended viewing distances.
Even the 10th generation consumer model Panasonic still has minor defects, you know. My 42" 9G model (consumer 480p) has absolutely no buzz even on an all-white screen, and has absolutely no purple snakes. However, I've been reading on the web that the 42" 10G model (768p) has buzzing and minor purple snake artifacts.
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From http://www.th42px70.co.uk/ (http://www.th42px70.co.uk/):
Weaknesses:
- Some mild posterization and magenta noise in scenes containing subtle gradation
- Some high-frequency buzz during scenes with high contrast
From http://ezinearticles.com/?TH-42PX70-Review---Panasonic-Viera-42-1080p-Plasma-TV&id=501860 (http://ezinearticles.com/?TH-42PX70-Review---Panasonic-Viera-42-1080p-Plasma-TV&id=501860):
The previous generation of Panasonic plasmas was haunted with what is known as "purple snake" or "purple ants", where purple bands or pixels with appear around green areas with small change of gradient. In the TH-42PX70 I couldn't really see it when sitting from 8 feet away, but if I move closer to the screen at say 3 feet I would notice it... IF I'm looking for it. Just something worth bearing in mind.
tnx sir barrister ;D... so far so good wala akong makitang "purple snake/ants" sa TH42PWD8WSE plasma ko even as close as 1foot (naduduling na nga ako eh :D) also no buzzing sound on all white screen, ewan ko lang siguro bago pa unit ko maybe pag medyo naluma na pero wag naman sana.... dvd movies no problem crystal clear talaga and nice skin tone and blacks! kahit nka cinema mode sya (color/tint/brightness/contrast are all set to 0) lalo na kung normal mode... viewing distance ko is about 3.8meters... im more concerned sa burn-in issues ng plasma :'( for the 1st 100 hrs of usage! tiis lang ng konti sa cinema mode and all safety features are all set to "on" ;D
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Question lang po regarding break-in. When watching Regular tv w/ station logo, gano katagal bago kelangan magswitch ng chanel para nde mag-burn-in?
para sa mga pana pv70 owners, may option ba dun to zoom para nde lumabas yng station logo?
tenks
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Question lang po regarding break-in. When watching Regular tv w/ station logo, gano katagal bago kelangan magswitch ng chanel para nde mag-burn-in?
para sa mga pana pv70 owners, may option ba dun to zoom para nde lumabas yng station logo?
tenks
hi bro! yup u can use the zoom aspect of the pv70. pero minsan sa zoom1 mode may lower part parin ng logos na naiiwan. u can try the zoom2 or 3 pero masyado na cropped eh
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Co forumers,
Ive been reading a lot of posts lately re LCD and Plasma Tv's. I thought burn-in in panasonic pv70 plasmas is no longer an issue. Why are owners so conscious about it as if the burn-in issue is as hot as when first generation plasmas appeared in the market. What is really the score when it comes to burn-in ?
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tnx sir barrister ;D... so far so good wala akong makitang "purple snake/ants" sa TH42PWD8WSE plasma ko even as close as 1foot (naduduling na nga ako eh :D) also no buzzing sound on all white screen, ewan ko lang siguro bago pa unit ko maybe pag medyo naluma na pero wag naman sana....
No need to worry about purple snakes dahil wala naman talagang purple snakes issue sa model mo. (The correct technical term is "magenta noise" or "magenta banding" )
Sa 42" Panasonic plasma, dalawang models lang ang nagkaroon ng purple snakes -- 42PX60 and 42PX600 (9th gen):
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Panasonic-TH42PX70/magenta-noise-statement.jpg (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Panasonic-TH42PX70/magenta-noise-statement.jpg)
Panasonic developed a fix, pero sabi sa foreign forums, hindi pa rin 100% solved. Yung iba naayos, yung iba meron pa rin pero nag-improve naman.
Sa 10th gen (HDTV), meron pa rin daw purple snakes ang 42Px70, pero mild lang, only visible up close.
That's why I said baka mas maganda pa ang EDTV, provided that it's at least a 7th gen model.
im more concerned sa burn-in issues ng plasma :'( for the 1st 100 hrs of usage! tiis lang ng konti sa cinema mode and all safety features are all set to "on" ;D
Na-solve na ng Panasonic ang burn-in since the 7th generation panels. I think your unit is an 8th gen panel (indicated by the number 8 sa model number?), so I wouldn't worry.
But still, sir Titanium raises a good point:
Co forumers,
Ive been reading a lot of posts lately re LCD and Plasma Tv's. I thought burn-in in panasonic pv70 plasmas is no longer an issue. Why are owners so conscious about it as if the burn-in issue is as hot as when first generation plasmas appeared in the market. What is really the score when it comes to burn-in ?
Sa totoo lang, meron pa ring burn-in (a permanent condition) and image retention (a temporary condition) ang mga plasma screens. Depending on the quality of the phosphors used, some brands are better than others.
Eto ang summary ng mga opinions sa mga foreign forums:
(a) Panasonic plasma has been practically burn-in proof since its 7th gen. model. No problems with burn in or IR (image retention).
(b) Pioneer has no problems with burn in, but sometimes shows IR.
(c) Hitachi is prone to IR.
(d) Samsung and Sony are burn-in prone. (Sony discontinued its plasma line)
Therefore, if you have a Panasonic that's a 7th generation or newer, e di wala nang problema. But why do we still do the 100-hour break-in routine?
Two reasons:
1. Para sigurado lang ... just in case ;D.
2. Because until now, the Panasonic website's FAQ still advises a break-in period.
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dont know why my friend and some of the salesman were telling me to buy lcd instead,
was originally going to get the 42pv70, then i'm lost again.
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dont know why my friend and some of the salesman were telling me to buy lcd instead,
was originally going to get the 42pv70, then i'm lost again.
yan din ang pansin ko sa mga salesmen now....para kasi "IN" ang LCDs para sa kanila now kaya yun ang mabenta
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dont know why my friend and some of the salesman were telling me to buy lcd instead,
was originally going to get the 42pv70, then i'm lost again.
That's not surprising. LCD is much more popular than plasma, here and abroad.
Kahit dito sa pinoydvd, parang mas maraming threads and posts sa LCD topics as against plasma topics.
yan din ang pansin ko sa mga salesmen now....para kasi "IN" ang LCDs para sa kanila now kaya yun ang mabenta
Totoo naman na "in" ang LCD. At totoo ring mas mabentang di hamak ang LCD kaysa sa plasma.
Ang impression kasi ng average consumer, laos na ang plasma technology, mas mahal pa. If you're a newbie looking for a low-priced flat panel, you'll probably get a 32" LCD. Ang totoo, mas mura ang 42" plasma sa 42" LCD. Ang problema lang, walang 32" plasma, so ang comparison ay 32" LCD vs. 42" plasma, kaya ang impression ay mas mura ang LCD.
At isa pa, mas maliwanag kasi ang LCD sa plasma pag side by side sila sa brightly-lit showroom, kaya ang impression nila ay mas maganda ang LCD.
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Originally LCD dapat bibilhin ko. After canvassing+research decided to buy 42pv70. Hindi pa sya nadedeliver so nde pa ako makakabigay ng feedback. ;)
Regarding sa sales agent, depende yun kung anung brand sya naka-asign. Ex. punta ka sa abenson or Western.
Talk to a Pana/hitachi/pioneer agent, they'll tell you na Plasma is better, better PQ, better blacks, better response time tapos yung LCD daw prone sa dead pixels. Masyado daw bright ang lcd, masakit sa mata. Altho may lcd ang pana 32", plasma ang main tech nila.
Talk to a samsung/toshiba/sony agent, sasabihin nila, dont buy plasma, its prone to burn-ins at kelangan madilim yung room. Sa Us talo ang plasma sa lcd when it comes to sales.
Ang result, nako-confuse lang ang customers.
Mas maganda , just do your own research. Magbasa ng mga reviews ng experts, at lcd/plasma owners. These are the people that we should trust.
Pero ang sinasabi ng karamihan, in general:
for bright rooms - LCD
for darker rooms - plasma
for small tv 20-40 - LCD
For larger tv 42-103 - plasma
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Pero ang sinasabi ng karamihan, in general:
for bright rooms - LCD
for darker rooms - plasma
for small tv 20-40 - LCD
For larger tv 42-103 - plasma
sir Trig, sa akin iba...
for bright rooms - plasma
for darker rooms - Projector with 110" screen :D
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sir Trig, sa akin iba...
for bright rooms - plasma
for darker rooms - Projector with 110" screen :D
toslink oks yan para sa dream house natin, pero dagdagan natin para fair:
for pc monitor and games - lcd
ayan complete na ang house natin ;D
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sir Trig, sa akin iba...
for bright rooms - plasma
for darker rooms - Projector with 110" screen :D
haha tama ka dyan, for dream home theater's, Projector with 110" screen. Kung may magreregalo sakin ng PJ 110" inch, kaya kong padilimin yung room kahit nakatapat pa sa araw hehe ;D
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for me both LCD and Plasma has their own strengths and weaknesses. I think for any buyer it must boil down to their preference. Audition both LCD and a Plasma side by side and compare on your own then decide which typ of TV suits your needs.
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yup it depends on the buyer n your use. well both do have great pq i must say
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Hi all!
New plasma owner here :) (panasonic viera 42pv70)
Very happy with PQ, even while using regular dvd player. Cable tv viewing is also nto bad (just regular skycable silver, no digibox).
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Hi all!
New plasma owner here :) (panasonic viera 42pv70)
Very happy with PQ, even while using regular dvd player. Cable tv viewing is also nto bad (just regular skycable silver, no digibox).
finally.... :o :o :o :o
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^ ;D
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may price war yata dahil yun lcd is encroaching into plasmas territory of big screens.
???babagsak daw another 30% ang plasma by the end of the year? ???
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Hi all!
New plasma owner here :) (panasonic viera 42pv70)
Very happy with PQ, even while using regular dvd player. Cable tv viewing is also nto bad (just regular skycable silver, no digibox).
congrats on your new toy ;)
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Hi all!
New plasma owner here :) (panasonic viera 42pv70)
Very happy with PQ, even while using regular dvd player. Cable tv viewing is also nto bad (just regular skycable silver, no digibox).
congrats din sa new toy mo, ako din new plasma(42pv70) owner pero idedeliver plng yung unit baka this weekend ;D
Currently downloading avia dvd...... ;)
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congrats din sa new toy mo, ako din new plasma(42pv70) owner pero idedeliver plng yung unit baka this weekend ;D
Currently downloading avia dvd...... ;)
uy bro congrats sa unit! balitaan mo kami n pix naman ng dyan! btw wer ka DL ng avia? tnx!
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Hi all!
New plasma owner here :) (panasonic viera 42pv70)
Very happy with PQ, even while using regular dvd player. Cable tv viewing is also nto bad (just regular skycable silver, no digibox).
wow congrats bro on your new toy! pv70 user here as well ;D
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congrats din sa new toy mo, ako din new plasma(42pv70) owner pero idedeliver plng yung unit baka this weekend ;D
Currently downloading avia dvd...... ;)
congrats din ;) makatipid ka niyan kasi dika na lalabas weekend to play with your new toy ;D
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Just search torrent avia. lalabas na yng piratebay link
mods padelete nalang po kung bawal yung pinost ko.
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Just search torrent avia. lalabas na yng piratebay link
mods padelete nalang po kung bawal yung pinost ko.
hehe tnx bro! update us sa purchase mo pag dating! ;D
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haha tama ka dyan, for dream home theater's, Projector with 110" screen. Kung may magreregalo sakin ng PJ 110" inch, kaya kong padilimin yung room kahit nakatapat pa sa araw hehe ;D
not a dream anymore ganito na talaga setup ko ;D i installed my plasma behind my projector screen...
up for plasma guys... bumababa na thread eh ;D
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Any definite word yet on when the 8th gen Pioneer plasmas are coming out? I've my eye on that 4280HD. If its US MSRP is $2700, how much ang expected price dito? A bit higher, much higher, lower? :)
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if we are to pattern it with the 7th gen, expect it to be priced +/- 250t, ganda nyan pre for sure
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mga gurus/plasma owners,
question lang po, ok lang po bang pang ps3 gaming ang 42pv70? saka how about cable tv viewing? do i need to zoom in pa para hindi kita yun channel logos? hindi ko pa din kasi alam kung may burn issues pa rin talaga sa mga plasma ;D
TIA
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alhtough i dun quite make it wat u r saying, i suppose u asking whether is it suitable with the ps3?
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if we are to pattern it with the 7th gen, expect it to be priced +/- 250t, ganda nyan pre for sure
427 na lang ako kung ganyan ang price. I hope you are wrong though. ;)
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well a lot of people including myself am hoping im wrong, but the 427 did start out that much, of course after several months baba na yan until it reaches 50% of its original srp or even less sa gray market, but by then they will announce the coming 9th gen...maglalaway na naman tayo and the cycle continues parang sa celfone market...
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Depreciation is one thing and selling it for twice its USA MSRP is another! Tell me, when the 427XG was new and was selling for 250T (around USD 5T), how much was its USA MSRP? $2.5T or $5T? I hope the latter because that would mean hindi tayo tinataga dito sa Pinas.
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Depreciation is one thing and selling it for twice its USA MSRP is another!
Depreciation has nothing to do with it. Overpriced talaga sa Philippines. Pasalamat tayo sa mga small retailers --- they were the ones who started offering more realistic prices.
Tell me, when the 427XG was new and was selling for 250T (around USD 5T), how much was its USA MSRP? $2.5T or $5T? I hope the latter because that would mean hindi tayo tinataga dito sa Pinas.
You mean you hope the former. Tinataga nga tayo sa Pinas.
See my old post:
Try alvinthx2's thread entitled "Price Fixing of LCD TV's": http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=60746.0 (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=60746.0)
LCD manufacturers are being investigated by government bodies of various countries for allegedly setting up a cartel to keep LCD TV prices artificially inflated.
Sa Pilipinas, bakit kaya ayaw nila ibenta ang LCD TV lang ng walang "freebie"? May cartel ba sila at ito na yung napagkasunduan nila?
LCD prices are lower abroad, but manufacturers are being investigated there for overpricing. LCD prices are much higher in the Philippines, yet they're not being investigated here. ... Go figure. ;D
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You mean you hope the former. Tinataga nga tayo sa Pinas.
I meant the latter because that would've meant hindi tayo tinataga. But now that you've observed na tinataga tayo, well then that's too bad for us. Kaya pala ang daming freebies at discounts, tiba tiba pala sila sa margin.
The laws of economics will eventually catch up with these vendors since the bigger the profit margin, the more opportunity for others to underprice them. I guess its starting to happen courtesy of these small retailers you mentioned.
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Depreciation is one thing and selling it for twice its USA MSRP is another!
couldnt agree with you more, iba talaga ang pricing ng mga products sa states that even our rich neighbors (singapore, australia) are also complaining why they dont get the same pricing as the americans.
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I meant the latter because that would've meant hindi tayo tinataga.
Oo nga, ano. Ako pala ang mali ang intindi. ;D
I've been comparing local prices with US prices since last year, talagang sobrang layo. All vendors at the time inlcude their feebies kuno. They refused to deduct the price of the "free" items even if you tell them that you are not interested in the freebies.
Bilib ako sa strategy ng Samsung. Model numbers ng LCD TVs nila dito iba sa model numbers ng LCD sa US. Hindi lang iba, malayong malayo ang numbers, para mahirapan kang mag-compare ng prices sa US via the web.
Kaya pala ang daming freebies at discounts, tiba tiba pala sila sa margin.
Yes, I think it's the appliance seller's biggest cash cow these days.
The laws of economics will eventually catch up with these vendors since the bigger the profit margin, the more opportunity for others to underprice them. I guess its starting to happen courtesy of these small retailers you mentioned.
It's still the power of the consumer at work. Laws of economics nga talaga. Very few small retailers were selling flat panels prior to this year because demand was low. Now that demand is picking up, the small retailers want a piece of the action, and the only way to do it is by undercutting the big retailers' selling price.
For example, sir Nemesis91 offers great prices, may freebies pa (tunay na freebies yung kanya, hindi freebies kuno ;)). Mas mababa ang margin niya, pero bumabawi naman yata sa volume ng sales. Try visiting his shop, mas masarap kausap ang staff niya kasi mas marunong sa mga sales rep ng big appliance chains. Kung matiyempuhan mo si sir Nemesis, lalong maganda ang flat panel discussions.
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Pioneer's new Kuro series plasmas are bloody gorgeous!!! Cant believe that even without having a full HD panel, Pioneer makes the best of Panasonic looked awefully noisy side by side!!! The difference is readily discernible and mind-blowing! The new 50 and 42 inch Kuro models are the most popular plasmas in Japan right now...and the most expensive ones in those sizes. 60 inch model is coming out in October.
Word of advise, if you have just bought Panasonic or Hitachi recently, better not check-out the new Pioneer Kuro. Stay away from it. Stay away from the most beautiful one! :)
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i will definitely stay away ;D as the price of pioneer really scares the crap otta me
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Word of advise, if you have just bought Panasonic or Hitachi recently, better not check-out the new Pioneer Kuro. Stay away from it. Stay away from the most beautiful one! :)
;D It's easy to stay away from the Kuro. I wouldn't be able to find one even if I tried. I tried asking Pioneer plasma sales reps about it --- none of them knew what the hell I was talking about. ;D
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Oh I could stay close to Kuro because I know I can't afford it until the next gen Kuro arrives. :) Appreciation is free. Funny they nicknamed it Kuro (BLACK), as the most striking characteristic of the Kuro PQ is CLEAN. Black is Very Clean! Yeah that's a nice catch-phrase. :)
Imagine if the Kuro were full HD panel.
BTW, I heard Pioneer and Sharp are in some serious talks right now.
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Oh I could stay close to Kuro because I know I can't afford it until the next gen Kuro arrives. :) Appreciation is free.
I can't afford it either :D but I'd like to see how it looks like in person because I believe the hype -- the Kuro is probably the best that the plasma technology can offer.
BTW, I heard Pioneer and Sharp are in some serious talks right now.
Yes, I think they're not just preliminary talks but actually a done deal.
I read on the web that the two companies were initially negotiating a merger, but settled on purchasing each other's shares of stock. Sharp will buy 14% of Pioneer shares; Pioneer will buy less than 1% of Sharp shares.
Pioneer is financially strapped while Sharp remains fiscally solid, so the deal probably represents additional capital for Pioneer and expansion for Sharp.
However, market value of Pioneer and Sharp shares fell 3% and 2% respectively, indicating lack of investor confidence in the deal.
IMHO, the Kuro is overpriced. Sure, it should be priced higher than its competitors considering that it produces the best picture, but the price difference should not be that big.
I think the Kuro's high price is caused by Pioneer's bad financial position. Due to lack of capital, it does not have the resources to increase production.
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From Sydney:
Plasma v LCD, Pioneer proves pixel count isn't everything
Friday September 21, 2007
By Adam TURNER
http://www.hydrapinion.com/index.php/play/2007/09/21/plasma_v_lcd_pioneer_proves_pixel_count_ (http://www.hydrapinion.com/index.php/play/2007/09/21/plasma_v_lcd_pioneer_proves_pixel_count_)
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I hear the Pioneer Kuros will definitely launch next month. You guys think the Pioneer 427 will sink in price even more? Best price I've seen is 120T at LIS. Wishful thinking but if they sell the 428 at 150 or thereabouts I just might.......
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Best Flat-Screen HDTV Ever?
Washington, D.C. (September 27, 2007) -- What's the best flat-screen High-Definition TV on the market?
The question is guaranteed to spark immediate debate among high-def enthusiasts. Some might argue for a particular LCD while others will swear by a certain Plasma model.
But in the November issue of Consumer Reports, the magazine's staff says the new Panasonic 50-inch 1080p Plasma HDTV "has the best picture quality of any flat-panel TV we've ever tested."
The publication says the set, model 50PZ700U, reproduces "the finest detail in HD content, with rich vibrant colors and deep blacks." Consumer Reports gives the set a score of 81 out of a possible 100, two points higher than a Samsung 46-inch LCD which got a 79.
The publication says the Panasonic 50-inch Plasma HDTV delivers an "excellent" picture quality for high-def content, standard-definition TV and standard-definition DVDs.
The top-rated LCD HDTV, the Samsung 46-inch (model: LN-T4661F), also gets "excellent" ratings in all three categories.
Source (http://www.tvpredictions.com/cr092707.htm)
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hello there. Has anyone heard of the PANASONIC TH42 PV7HS HDMI?
also, questions regarding plasma, how is the picture when just viewing ordinary cable tv? when viewing regular dvd's from a regular or china made dvd player?
likewise, electricity consumption-wise, malakas ba consumption? all these to answer kasi the possible questions na baka ibato ng misis ko sa akin e.
help please.
thanks
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hello there. Has anyone heard of the PANASONIC TH42 PV7HS HDMI?
also, questions regarding plasma, how is the picture when just viewing ordinary cable tv? when viewing regular dvd's from a regular or china made dvd player?
likewise, electricity consumption-wise, malakas ba consumption? all these to answer kasi the possible questions na baka ibato ng misis ko sa akin e.
help please.
thanks
cable signal sucks to be honest. from my experience it is really grainy. viewing from an SD source depends if you use component or just a single video connector (component is better) or via hdmi (way better since you can upscale). it also will depend on your source dvd (if its original, copied from the original or recorded in the theater).
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cable signal sucks to be honest. from my experience it is really grainy. viewing from an SD source depends if you use component or just a single video connector (component is better) or via hdmi (way better since you can upscale). it also will depend on your source dvd (if its original, copied from the original or recorded in the theater).
If an SD broadcast sucks in a Plasma, it's even worse in an LCD (dull color, pixellation, banding).
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hi all!
i was just looking at Cnet.com HD world special report. the report discussed, among others, HDTV display resolution as follows:
1920x1080, commonly called 1080p = HD
1366X768, 768P = HD
1280x720, 720p = HD
1024x768, commonly called HDTV plasma = not HD
852x480, EDTV plasma = not HD
640x480, VGA = not HD
http://asia.cnet.com/hd_world/0,39063941,61968972-4,00.htm
I have a panasonic viera 42pv70 with a resolution of 1024x768. Does that mean its not even 720p and its not really "HD"?
So if I get an upscaling dvd player,my tv can't even display 720p?
and does that mean i should limit myself to the entry level HD-DVD players, which can only play 1080i because getting a 1080p capable player would have no effect on it because it would just downscale to 1024x768?
or does that mean i shouldn't even think of going HD, because there would be no difference between the output of a standard dvd player and an hd dvd player on my tv?
I would appreciate any input. Thanks.
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or does that mean i shouldn't even think of going HD, because there would be no difference between the output of a standard dvd player and an hd dvd player on my tv?
I would appreciate any input. Thanks.
there's a big difference in hddvd player than a standard dvd
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how about between a standard dvd player and an upscaling one?
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Panasonic Viera goes full-HD
By Philip Wong, CNET Asia
Oct 10, 2007
SINGAPORE--Call it pure coincidence or a strategic release just days after the Pioneer Kuros launch. Whichever way, Panasonic has finally announced its long overdue consumer 1080p Viera plasmas for Asia. Unveiled yesterday in Singapore, the full-HD lineup comprises three new models including a 65-inch flagship whopper. Also introduced during the event were the Viera TX-37LX75 and TX-32LX77, the former being the Japanese company's first 37-inch LCD TV.
Dressed in classy black, the TH-42PY700, TH-50PY700 and TH-65PY700 represent the pinnacle of its Viera offering with true full-HD compatibility. These made-in-Japan generation-10 panels tout native 1,920 x 1,080-pixel resolution and are equipped with upgraded 16-bit V-real Pro II video processor. Another notable feature among the series is an extended 100,000-hour panel life. This is much higher than the 60,000 industrial standard found on current plasma and LCD TVs.
To further differentiate the TH-65Y700, AVCHD-encoded media is now supported out-of-the-box. An extension of its inbuilt SDHC slot function, this enables direct playback of Panasonic camcorder-recorded videos. What're missing, though, are judder-free 1080p24 input handling and any tangible improvement in contrast performance pegged at 10,000:1. That said, it's worth noting that the TH50PY700 is less than half the price of the equivalent Pioneer PDP-LX508G.
Moving onto the new LCDs, the TX-37LX75 is the successor for the well-received TX-32LX700M. Both are based on the popular In-Plane Switching LCD technology with the new model having a slight edge in terms of a larger 37-inch screen. This makes it suitable for family entertainment in the living room at the tradeoff of the 700-series' 100Hz frame rate-doubling and SDHC slot features. Furthermore, the two LCD TVs still utilize the current V-real engine.
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Anyone knows when these 1080p plasmas from Panasonic will hit our shores?
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hi all!
i was just looking at Cnet.com HD world special report. the report discussed, among others, HDTV display resolution as follows:
1920x1080, commonly called 1080p = HD
1366X768, 768P = HD
1280x720, 720p = HD
1024x768, commonly called HDTV plasma = not HD
852x480, EDTV plasma = not HD
640x480, VGA = not HD
http://asia.cnet.com/hd_world/0,39063941,61968972-4,00.htm
I have a panasonic viera 42pv70 with a resolution of 1024x768. Does that mean its not even 720p and its not really "HD"?
So if I get an upscaling dvd player,my tv can't even display 720p?
and does that mean i should limit myself to the entry level HD-DVD players, which can only play 1080i because getting a 1080p capable player would have no effect on it because it would just downscale to 1024x768?
or does that mean i shouldn't even think of going HD, because there would be no difference between the output of a standard dvd player and an hd dvd player on my tv?
I would appreciate any input. Thanks.
High Definition technically starts at 720p. But most pundits prefer to start at 1080i. HD broadcasts are at 720. And if you noticed, the plasma TV you are referring to is called HDTV. HD there means high definition.
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will that HD release translate to a price drop for the current panasonic lx70 and pv's?
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Panasonic Viera goes full-HD
By Philip Wong, CNET Asia
Oct 10, 2007
SINGAPORE--Call it pure coincidence or a strategic release just days after the Pioneer Kuros launch. Whichever way, Panasonic has finally announced its long overdue consumer 1080p Viera plasmas for Asia. Unveiled yesterday in Singapore, the full-HD lineup comprises three new models including a 65-inch flagship whopper. Also introduced during the event were the Viera TX-37LX75 and TX-32LX77, the former being the Japanese company's first 37-inch LCD TV.
Dressed in classy black, the TH-42PY700, TH-50PY700 and TH-65PY700 represent the pinnacle of its Viera offering with true full-HD compatibility. These made-in-Japan generation-10 panels tout native 1,920 x 1,080-pixel resolution and are equipped with upgraded 16-bit V-real Pro II video processor. Another notable feature among the series is an extended 100,000-hour panel life. This is much higher than the 60,000 industrial standard found on current plasma and LCD TVs.
Very good new! To all interested buyers of Panasonic plasma TVs, The Sights and Sounds at Shangri-la Plaza, will keep you posted of the arrival of new plasma Tvs. We shall send you price and availability once the TVs become available.
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For those who can't wait, currently, Theater Works (Nemesis) is selling the 1080p 42" Panasonic Plasma 42pv700u at a very attractive price. :)
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I have a panasonic viera 42pv70 with a resolution of 1024x768. Does that mean its not even 720p and its not really "HD"?
and does that mean i should limit myself to the entry level HD-DVD players, which can only play 1080i because getting a 1080p capable player would have no effect on it because it would just downscale to 1024x768?
or does that mean i shouldn't even think of going HD, because there would be no difference between the output of a standard dvd player and an hd dvd player on my tv?
tonedeaf, the minimum HDTV standard is 720p or 1280 x 720 = 921,600 pixels to be exact. Thus, your HDTV set with its native resolution of 1024 x 768 = 786,432 pixels is short of the minimum HDTV standard. Tho it's not true 720p but it still looks good as the resolution is 2.5 times as compared to a standard 640 x 480 TV.
In this case, an entry level HD DVD player e.g. Tosh HD-A2 which outputs up to 1080i is sufficient to meet your existing requirement. However, as the 1080p HD display price is droping rapidly, it's worthwhile to consider a HD player that can output 1080p/24 to future proof your equipment as you may suddenly decide to upgrade your HDTV in the future. :)
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@pchin,
thanks. that answers my question. not-quite-hd pala ako. hehe.
as for upgrading my tv, medyo matagal-tagal pa yata. the 42" truly HD vieras (new model) costs S$5,299 (Singapore dollars). Di kaya ng powers ko. ;D
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Oh well, my eyes says the not-quite-HD 42pv70 pana looks better than Samsung LCD's and my wallet also agrees ;D
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audition mo din yung Hitachi PD9800TA (Mega Pixel Resolution of 1,024 x 1,080) + HDMI Signal (Video Mode) 480i/p, 576i/p, 720p(50/60), 1080i (50/60), VGA, 1080p . for me ok din itong model na ito. Japan Made ;D Don't know nga lang why if I see this sa shops hindi kasing sharp yung kulay as when I am watching sa house. I see this model sa Theaterworks and Sight & Sounds Shang. Both are good stores and the owners are easy to talk too ;)
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guys questn lang, my plasma tv is a itachi 8800 42", shud i expect pixelized picture specially during dark scenes at 720p??? am using pioneer dvd 696 as player also set at 720p tnx
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guys questn lang, my plasma tv is a itachi 8800 42", shud i expect pixelized picture specially during dark scenes at 720p??? am using pioneer dvd 696 as player also set at 720p tnx
depending on the disc you are playing. try using a reference disc like fifth element remastered dvd. at least eliminated yung possibility na yung disc yung cause ng pixelization.
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parak is right. I think your problem is the source disc. may I ask what dvd are you using if its pirated or original?
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does it happen during use of both p-dvd and orig? maganda if you have a title in both to compare, kasi that can also be sa transfer. If you've got tiger eyes then all the more you notice these things. Try mo playing Jurassic park III opening chapter where they were paragliding against the backdrop of the mountains and see if you notice the rope or their bodies having some flickering on the edges.
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thank you all guys for ur reply, i try them all, i think i can observed them even in some original dvd, but i think it's because i got those cheap original dvd bargained like The Mummy returns, i got pixelized screen during the beginning part where in the guy leadstar(forgot the name at the moment) entered the Cave(?),
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maybe its just the transfer, il check the scene later
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thank you all guys for ur reply, i try them all, i think i can observed them even in some original dvd, but i think it's because i got those cheap original dvd bargained like The Mummy returns, i got pixelized screen during the beginning part where in the guy leadstar(forgot the name at the moment) entered the Cave(?),
It would help if you described the disc and scene precisely.
Disc should be identified by title, region (R3, Singapore R3, R1, Canadian R1, etc.) and version (1st release, special ed, budget DVD5, etc.).
Scene should be described by time (in minutes and seconds) and chapter number.
A precise description of the disc and scene will help you get precise feedback from our members.
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Report on power consumption:
for those wondering about a plasma tv's power consumption. I got a panasonic 42pv70 early September. I got my bill for the month already and may I just say that there is no marked increase in my electric bill. For comparison, my bill was higher during the summer when I had to turn up my aircon more often.
Average use: 1-2 hours weekdays, at least 4 hours on weekends.
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Hello im very new in Pinoydvd and i was planning on buying a plasma tv. Do you guys have any recommendations I was initially looking into the Panasonic 42PV70 but the Hitachi P42A01 also caught my eye and leaning towards the Hitachi more.
http://www.hitachiconsumer.com/ph/products/proddetails.aspx?pid=2264&cid=117&tid=631 (http://www.hitachiconsumer.com/ph/products/proddetails.aspx?pid=2264&cid=117&tid=631)
Any insights would be highly appreciated. Ganda kasi ng PQ ng Hitachi but I was wondering longevity and if this will be ok attached to an HTPC? Thanks in advance to the masters ;D
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Hello im very new in Pinoydvd and i was planning on buying a plasma tv. Do you guys have any recommendations I was initially looking into the Panasonic 42PV70 but the Hitachi P42A01 also caught my eye and leaning towards the Hitachi more.
http://www.hitachiconsumer.com/ph/products/proddetails.aspx?pid=2264&cid=117&tid=631 (http://www.hitachiconsumer.com/ph/products/proddetails.aspx?pid=2264&cid=117&tid=631)
Any insights would be highly appreciated. Ganda kasi ng PQ ng Hitachi but I was wondering longevity and if this will be ok attached to an HTPC? Thanks in advance to the masters ;D
We have sent you pm, Sir.
Between Hitachi P4201 and Panasonic TH42PV70, the latter has a better picture quality. PV70 looks better resolution, and colorful picture. Though both claim to present 10000 contrast, the Panasonic has deeper black than Hitachi.
We invite you to our store Sights and Sounds 4th level Shangrila Plaza, and see the comparable difference between 42A01 and 42PV70.
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some reading to pass time with:
http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=60707
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Boss E-Reply,
I'm planning to buy a 42" plasma TV. I've heard a lot of good things about Panasonic and Pioneer. Would you be able to provide more insights? Do you sell Pioneer?
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Boss E-Reply,
I'm planning to buy a 42" plasma TV. I've heard a lot of good things about Panasonic and Pioneer. Would you be able to provide more insights? Do you sell Pioneer?
Pioneer is the best in picture quality, but it is very expensive! You can almost buy 2 units of Pana PV70 for the price of a Pioneer 42".
Buy a Pioneer KURO if you are willing to spend for a quality picture at all cost. Nonetheless, buy Panasonic if you are willing to compromise for lower picture quality but not expensive price.
Both Pioneer PDP428 and Panasonic PV70 are available at Sights and Sounds 4th level Shangrila Plaza. We invite you to see both on display side-by-side for picture comparison.
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Thanks, I may visit your place tomorrow.
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Plasma news:
Pioneer to stop making 42-inch plasma panels: report
Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:16am EST
TOKYO (Reuters) - Pioneer Corp will stop making 42-inch plasma panels and instead buy panels in that size and smaller from Panasonic maker Matsushita Electric Industrial or Hitachi Ltd to turn around its loss-making flat TV business, the Asahi newspaper said.
Japanese consumer and auto electronics maker Pioneer will end output of such panels at a plant in Kagoshima prefecture in southern Japan as early as by March 2009, the paper said in the report on Saturday.
It will focus on making panels 50 inches or larger at other plants, the Asahi said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUST34259620080225
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Pioneer says goodbye to plasma manufacturing :o :o :o
Posted Mar 3rd 2008 6:42PM by Richard Lawler
We wondered why its so hard to find one of Pioneer's award winning Kuro plasmas on shelves these days, and here is the answer. The Nikkei is reporting that Pioneer plans to stop producing plasma panels altogether, and only put together HDTVs with panels purchased from other sources. Panasonic and Hitachi remain as the only Japanese plasma manufacturers, Pioneer already has a deal with the former to purchase plasmas for its 42-inch model, and will expand that agreement according to The Nikkei. Honestly, this wouldn't be a big deal for most companies, as we've seen with the Sony/Sharp/Samsung triangle in LCD manufacturing, but since Pioneer is the only manufacturer promising the blackest black levels this side of carbon nanotubes, we're freaking out a bit. Here's hoping Pioneer slides over the blueprints to the infinite contrast concept (and that sexy 9mm model) and keeps the party going.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/03/pioneer-says-goodbye-to-plasma-manufacturing/
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Wow, that's sad news. I was hoping that the Kuro would help Pioneer recover its plasma business losses.
I'm still hoping that Pioneer will not close its plasma line entirely. Maybe they will continue producing Kuros by buying panels from Matsushita, then installing Pioneer's proprietary screen filters and software.
More links:
Japan's Pioneer surges on report
to stop making plasma panels
03.03.08, 9:06 PM ET
http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2008/03/03/afx4725359.html
Pioneer says its plasma display business under
review amid reports of ending production
The Associated Press
Published: March 4, 2008
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/04/business/AS-FIN-COM-Japan-Pioneer.php
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from my understanding, pioneer would stop manufacturing panels but would still assemble pdp's.
they have signed deals to acquire LCD panels and they will use the room in existing plants created from the lack of manufacturing equipement to assemble more pdp's.
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Malabo pa rin ang status.
Two weeks ago, news reports announced that Pioneer was considering LCD production. Just last week, the news was that they will stop production of 42" plasma panels. This week, speculation is that Pioneer will stop plasma panel production entirely. Who knows, next week's news might tell us that Pioneer will not be assembling plasma TVs at all.
At any rate, there's still no official announcement from Pioneer as of the moment.
Reports have it that on March 7, 2008, Pioneer will hold a briefing on its overall business strategy. It is not clear if the company will be issuing an official announcement on that date.
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i just made a purchase of 42pv70 yesterday from S&S, and is yet to arrive tonight/tomorrow/ My biggest concern is burn in image, if this happens, is it covered by the warranty? is it comparable to dead pixel policy ng mga LCD sellers? palit agad ng unit?
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Pioneer "reviewing" plasma business, probably on the way out
Posted Mar 4th 2008 2:04AM by Richard Lawler
Pioneer is officially "reviewing the plasma business", according to a release today -- much like Toshiba's "review" of the HD DVD business in February when it had decided to quit in January -- while a Reuters source confirmed The Nikkei's earlier report that Pioneer is getting out of the plasma panel manufacturing game altogether. While Pioneer would keep building plasmas based on panels sourced from Panasonic, according to the report, this would mark the exit of the the 5th ranked plasma manufacturer, and host to some of the best PDP displays and technologies around. We can't expect any official word until the company's press conference on the March 7, but rumors have swirled recently that it is considering a switch to LCD.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/04/pioneer-reviewing-plasma-business-/
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i just made a purchase of 42pv70 yesterday from S&S, and is yet to arrive tonight/tomorrow/ My biggest concern is burn in image, if this happens, is it covered by the warranty? is it comparable to dead pixel policy ng mga LCD sellers? palit agad ng unit?
burn-in is not covered by warranty. all you have to do is observe the burn-in period and you won't have a problem.
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wow... with this news, it's hard to decide how to move forward (buyer's dilemma). if Pioneer stops producing PDPs, how can they maintain servicability of existing users of their PDPs?
a bit tough here.
on this note, copy to ereply and nemesis, please send me the prices of the following PDPs:
pioneer 508XG
panasonic 50pv70
panasonic 50py700 (Full HD)
thanks!
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Plasma TV is Dead - Pioneer Exits
by Clint DeBoer — last modified March 04, 2008 04:00
As we predicted several years ago, plasma technology is on its way out. Putting one of the nails in the lengthy coffin is Pioneer Corp, who is stopping ALL production of plasma display panels. Last week we reported that they had decided to stop all 42-inch panel production, however that has now been expanded to its entire plasma line. This comes via an industry source briefed on the plan and quoted by Reuters in an article released today. Rather than panic, Pioneer shares immediately jumped to a four-month high following the report - up 11.2 percent.
You heard it here first: Plasma TV is dead.
Pioneer is the world's fifth-largest plasma TV manufacturer and has constantly struggled for relevance against the larger Panasonic brand (Matsus**ta). Now, Pioneer will buy its panels from the competing brand and it will begin picking up LCD panels from... you guessed it - Sharp. This makes three major manufacturers who are backing Sharp panel production in the coming year (inclusive of both Toshiba and Sony Electronics). Our guess is that Sharp is going to be the first to market with the new line of super-thin LCD panels that fans such as myself have been dreaming about for some time.
Investors have long known that Pioneer was bleeding red ink over its plasma division having several years ago decided not to compete in the low-price market. "This is an excellent development," said Mitsushige Akino, chief fund manager at Ichiyoshi Investment Management. "Pioneer could have chosen another way and stepped up its plasma investment despite the fact that the business is bleeding red ink, but it's a wise step to decide against that... a quicker decision would have been even better," he said.
This is no easy decision for the Japan-based manufacturer. Pioneer has spent nearly $1 billion (yes, with a 'b') on four plasma TV manufacturing plants and two additional plants it purchased from NEC.
According to the report, a Pioneer spokesman said the company would unveil its display business strategy when it announces company-wide business plans on Friday.
The only thing surprising about this announcement is its timing. Pioneer just last year launched its premier "Project Kuro" line which promised total black levels and was designed to give consumers a no-holds-barred choice for high-end plasma displays. Pioneer had repeatedly stated that the Kuro brand was gaining speed and 2008 would show that Pioneer had captured the high-end market. The problem is that Pioneer, while predicting several hundreds of thousands of plasma TV sales, was up against rival Panasonic who had a planned sales volume of more than 5 million units.
For those concerned, this doesn't mean that Pioneer will exit the plasma business. It simply means that they are, in the interim at least, looking to leave the plasma panel manufacturing business, opting instead to purchase their panels from a company like Matsus**ta (Panasonic).
As to what this means for plasma as a technology, we believe that, as predicted, this is the beginning of the end. It's longevity depends on a few factors now:
• Marketing and consumer perspective of the technology
• How quickly the new super-thin LCD TVs hit the consumer market (Hitachi is already releasing some)
• The continuation of rapidly-dropping LCD panel prices
• How much Matsus**ta invests in plasma versus its LCD manufacturing efforts in upcoming years
So there you have it. Plasma has begun its exit from the market as consolidation forces one of the largest proponents of the technology finally exits the manufacturing business and takes on LCD. We're sad to see it go, but it appeared to us at this year's CES that ultra-thin LCDs are going to hit the market much sooner than ultra-thin plasmas. When that happens there is going to be an incredible surge in popularity for the <1-inch thin displays that will push plasma technology further away. The same effect has happened to rear projection television, with manufacturers leaving those markets and technology in droves. Just this year, Sony decided to eschew all screen technologies save LCD and OLED - and it had a large stake in its LCoS-based SXRD line.
http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/plasma-tv-is-dead
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wow... with this news, it's hard to decide how to move forward (buyer's dilemma). if Pioneer stops producing PDPs, how can they maintain servicability of existing users of their PDPs?
a bit tough here.
on this note, copy to ereply and nemesis, please send me the prices of the following PDPs:
pioneer 508XG
panasonic 50pv70
panasonic 50py700 (Full HD)
thanks!
Sent you pm, Sir.
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ilabas na ang OLED displays!!!! ;D
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If we are to infer from Pioneer's past of delivering ground breaking/leading panel pq technology in plasma, one can play with the idea that Pioneer has another good idea or two to contribute in the LCD arena, perhaps a pq that will rival plasma itself that is why they would consider "rethinking strategy" after spending a lot on plasma R&D.
i dont think they will come into the LCD turf unprepared, their Elite posturing is after all their bread and butter ........otherwise i just really hope they dont stop making those beautiful plasma panels.
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If we are to infer from Pioneer's past of delivering ground breaking/leading panel pq technology in plasma, one can play with the idea that Pioneer has another good idea or two to contribute in the LCD arena, perhaps a pq that will rival plasma itself that is why they would consider "rethinking strategy" after spending a lot on plasma R&D.
im really interested with the PQ of Pioneer's planned venture into the LCD arena. di ba Samsung & Sharp panels ang ginagamit ng Sony for their Bravia LCD's? tapos ang difference lang is the Bravia engine ng Sony? maybe Pioneer can come up with something similar to that.
i dont think they will come into the LCD turf unprepared, their Elite posturing is after all their bread and butter ........otherwise i just really hope they dont stop making those beautiful plasma panels.
from what i've been reading on articles & posts at the avs forums, Pioneer will be using Panasonic panels for their future Plasmas. does that mean pareho na lang ang PQ ng Pioneer & Panasonic Plasmas? or pwedeng mas maganda pa with Pioneer's electronics & stuff?
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pioneer will most probably take the same approach as sony with its bravia engine and samsung panel
pioneer actually uses NEC panel for its 42 inch plasmas but of course uses its proprietary engine in it, and we can still see the difference in pq vs others at this category, so its LCD approach must be the same.
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Pioneer officially ends in-house plasma production, Kuro LCDs coming soon
Posted Mar 7th 2008 2:52AM by Richard Lawler
Say goodbye to Kuro as we knew (and loved) it, as Pioneer officially announced that after panel production of the next series of models is complete, it's ending all in-house plasma panel production and will build HDTVs based on panels bought elsewhere. The source went unnamed pending a final agreement, but Panasonic will likely follow up the 42-inch it's providing with plasmas of up to 60-inches. Due this fall are Kuro-edition LCDs, combining Pioneer's ultra-thin speakers and exacting picture quality standards with screens built by Sharp (hopefully this time sans-banding issues) that should see release Europe first. Other businesses affected are car audio, DJ equipment and Blu-ray players, but by streamlining operations and working closely with Sharp, it expects a return to profitability in 2010. Fans of deep black levels and accurate color reproduction probably shouldn't be alone right now, take a look at the .pdf (http://pioneer.jp/press/pdf/ir/080307_restructuring-e.pdf) and let the healing process begin in the comments. You're among friends, you're strong, you will get through this.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/07/pioneer-officially-ends-in-house-plasma-production-kuro-lcds-co/
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Actually, the announcement has blown out of proportions. Get the inside scoop from popular science article. It seems like people are panicking because pioneer is outsourcing their panels when in fact this almost changes nothing on the beloved Kuro. This is from this website:
http://www.popsci.com/entertainment-gaming/article/2008-03/update-whole-story-pioneer-plasmas
"We had a quick phone call with Russ Johnson of Pioneer yesterday evening to find out what the decision to stop making plasma modules means. While Russ didn’t have answers to all our questions, we got a much clearer picture, so to speak.
He confirmed that Panasonic will provide the plasma modules—essentially the basic screen, without most of the electronics and the color filter. And though he didn’t say explicitly, we got the impression that Pioneer will be taking what Panasonic is giving, rather than dictating a design based on Pioneer’s plasma technology. This has to be a disappointment to Pioneer fanboys and girls, but it may not be a complete tragedy.
Johnson confirmed that Pioneer will still design its own video processors and “drive electronics” that make the panels work. The drive system is, he said, a key component of the Kuro technology that produces amazingly high contrast on Pioneer’s sets. But the plasma module is another part. Johnson pointed out that nowadays, plasma modules from the various manufacturers are not so different. But he acknowledged that Pioneer’s modules did have an extra something (which they have never adequately explained to us) that contributed to the Kuro look. We don't know yet how this will affect Pioneer's announcement at CES to make a plasma screens that can produce absolute black tones.
We also sent questions to Panasonic to get their side of the story, but they have not yet responded.
In a very telling move, Pioneer will also be getting in the LCD TV business through a joint venture with Sharp. When Pioneer, the great stalwart of plasma, starts selling LCD TVs, you get a clear indication of what side is winning this format war. (Even Panasonic, by far the largest Plasma seller in the US, has a big LCD TV line.)
Johnson said that Pioneer will be transferring the “Kuro DNA” to its LCD line, but he couldn’t really say what that means. Most LCDs have abysmal contrast ratios compared to plasma, so it’s not immediately clear how they can get up to a level worthy of the Kuro moniker. Using individually dimmable LED backlights could be part of the solution, Johnson said, but it still doesn’t allow the pixel-by-pixel control that plasma does.
If you’re a fan of Pioneer plasmas and don’t want to take chances on the Panasonic collaboration, hit the electronics stores this summer, when Pioneer will debut its latest (and last in-house-manufactured) line of plasma TVs."
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That's a good post. Very objective.
Ang pinakagrabeng sensationalized stories sa web, the entire plasma industry daw is dead becase of Pioneer's panel outsourcing. Not dying lang, ha ---- dead na daw! Sobra naman yun.
The good news is for the LCD technology. I'm sure Pioneer will be able to contribute major improvements to the LCD tech's evolution.
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Pioneer isn't abandoning Kuro plasma, expects same-quality panels from Matsus**ta
Posted Mar 8th 2008 12:38PM by Paul Miller
If you're all broken up about Pioneer's seeming exit of the plasma business, take heart. Pioneer Executive Vice President Russ Johnston claims Pioneer's plans aren't to abandon Kuro-quality plasma displays in any way. The move to an outside manufacturer (Matsus**ta, parent company of Panasonic) is designed to cut cost in plasma production, but Pioneer still plans to maintain its premium edge over competitors. "The number-one goal is to make sure we can maintain our differentiation," said Russ, "and specifically our Kuro difference in the marketplace." Apparently Pioneer will be still be responsible for the video circuit and processing, the color filter strategy and other such secret sauce, and the company is confident Matsus**ta can step up to the Pioneer level of panel production -- even if it might involve sharing a few trade secrets along the way. Apparently Matsus**ta is slated to start providing the modules by 2009.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/08/pioneer-isnt-abandoning-kuro-plasma-expects-same-quality-panel/
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plasma break-in discussion sa ibang forum. baka lang makatulong.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=949107
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New Vieras:
VIERA Plasma TV from Panasonic Features 1,000,000:1 Contrast Ratio
By Chris Boylan
Published: 2008-03-14 - 00:31:06
http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/panasonic-viera-plasma-tv-1459.shtml
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Hi Guys,
I just got my Pioneer 508XG from Vic!
thanks VIC! great service.
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Congrats sir, happy viewing ;D time to enjoy after the long search!
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THANKS THANKS dB10!!! now i have to find that thread on burning in the TV...
I just watched Monster's inc with my kids - AWESOME!!! the hairs of Sulley really showed distinctly!!!!
DANG! I should have gotten one of these earlier!
I think the 508XG would be the cheapest in its class with an end-to-end Pioneer manufacturing product. The new releases are either too expensive or may be not an end-to-end Pio product since they will be sourcing their panels from Pana soon...
anyways, I would like to thank everybody for the tips!!! special thanks to Lithium, who has given me GREAT inputs.
SALAMAT DIN SA INYONG LAHAT NA TUMULONG! Every little bit of advise is GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!
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Hi Guys,
I just got my Pioneer 508XG from Vic!
thanks VIC! great service.
Thanks for buying TV from Sights and Sounds. Congrats, and enjoy your new TV.
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Many thanks to everyone who has given me inputs that enabled me to finally decide on the 508XG. I really appreciate it! Galing ng PinoyDVD community. Thank you thank you!
I would just like to show you my humble setup with my new Pio 508XG...
You may notice - putol yung picture which was intentional. hahaha I have pictures on the right side of the shelf at which when I zoomed - kita pictures namin so I cut the pic hehe.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii317/arnoldlua/byron_PDP508XG.jpg)
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Can anyone give their comments about the Hitachi 42A01. It's on sale right now at various appliance stores, it's peg at 65k.
Were are also considering the Samsung 32 inch models. The only reason we are considering the Hitachi, it's because, it's full HD as oppose to the Samsung 32 inch models. Would this particular Hitachi model be susceptible to burn in or any brand of plasma for that matter.
We are also looking at the Samsung 32 inch slim TV, any comments.
And can anyone also pls. explain to me the advantage of having a full HD LCD/Plasma TV. Unfortunately none of the sales staff that I've asked knows what they are talking about.
Another thing that's bothering me is the input signal coming from players. Let say your player can output 1080p and your LCD/Plasma can only display 768, will it downscale the pic? how will it affect the PQ? same thing for the Samsung 32 slim TV, on the spec sheet it can only display 1080i, how will it look like on a 1080p player?
I've researched a bit and found out that DVDs only has an output of 480...I forgot if it's i or p. How will it look like on a 768 or 1080 LCD/Plasma TV.
I just want to future proof our purchase, I mean 65k is 65k and for any amount for that matter. Any info would be appreciated.
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Hi Novice01
You may want to talk to E-reply or Nemesis in this forum - I would think they will be responding very soon. In any case, to help you choose the TV you really like, it is best to see them side by side - playing from the same source.
I did this when I was scouting for a TV in Sights and Sounds (Shangri-La) and it did really help me shortlist the TVs I liked best.
I just got my Pioneer Plasma 508XG last Friday and it took me a lot of thought and consideration. You are in the best forum to seek for the info you need. There are other threads here talking about Plasma vs. LCD panels in the main topic "Flat Panels" etc...
Good luck sir!
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Can anyone give their comments about the Hitachi 42A01. It's on sale right now at various appliance stores, it's peg at 65k.
Were are also considering the Samsung 32 inch models. The only reason we are considering the Hitachi, it's because, it's full HD as oppose to the Samsung 32 inch models. Would this particular Hitachi model be susceptible to burn in or any brand of plasma for that matter.
We are also looking at the Samsung 32 inch slim TV, any comments.
And can anyone also pls. explain to me the advantage of having a full HD LCD/Plasma TV. Unfortunately none of the sales staff that I've asked knows what they are talking about.
Another thing that's bothering me is the input signal coming from players. Let say your player can output 1080p and your LCD/Plasma can only display 768, will it downscale the pic? how will it affect the PQ? same thing for the Samsung 32 slim TV, on the spec sheet it can only display 1080i, how will it look like on a 1080p player?
I've researched a bit and found out that DVDs only has an output of 480...I forgot if it's i or p. How will it look like on a 768 or 1080 LCD/Plasma TV.
I just want to future proof our purchase, I mean 65k is 65k and for any amount for that matter. Any info would be appreciated.
Hello, we are from Sights and Sounds.
The Hitachi P42A01 is not a full HD TV. The P42A01 has only 1366 X768 pixels, which means that it has only 768 horizontal lines; the 1366 is the number of pixels per horizontal line. A full HD TV requires 1080 resolution lines. Since the P42A01 can only display 768 lines, it is not a full HD but a HD Ready TV.
A video material of 720 lines is already considered High definition video, though the 1080 content deliver unsurpassed picture detail and progressive-scan smoothness. The 1080 lines provide higher resolution without downconverting and sacrificing picture detail. When a 720 display receives a 1080 signal, it must downconvert it to 720. The resulting picture still looks great, but there's a slight loss in detail.
The 32" Samsung is a HD ready TV. At present, there is no full HD in the 32" category TV.
For further inquiry, please feel free to visit Sights and Sounds located at 4th level Shangri-La Plaza. You can also write me e-mail [email protected] or call mobile 09175413491.
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Hi, I have just passed my 100th hour burn-in last friday. I notice that after watching movies
in 2.35:1 or above format, i notice image retention from the black bars of the widescreen movie.
it is just soft and goes away after sometime. My question is this, will this ever go away or will we owners
of plasma have to live with it. What will happen if I watch 3 or more movies continiuosly in 2.35:1 or above
format. will the image retention from the black bars be more severe? I just wondering about the
purpose of burn-in test if this problem will not be totally eliminated. Thanks.
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Hi, I have just passed my 100th hour burn-in last friday. I notice that after watching movies
in 2.35:1 or above format, i notice image retention from the black bars of the widescreen movie.
it is just soft and goes away after sometime. My question is this, will this ever go away or will we owners
of plasma have to live with it. What will happen if I watch 3 or more movies continiuosly in 2.35:1 or above
format. will the image retention from the black bars be more severe? I just wondering about the
purpose of burn-in test if this problem will not be totally eliminated. Thanks.
+1
im about to pass the 100th hour.
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Hello, we are from Sights and Sounds.
The Hitachi P42A01 is not a full HD TV. The P42A01 has only 1366 X768 pixels, which means that it has only 768 horizontal lines; the 1366 is the number of pixels per horizontal line. A full HD TV requires 1080 resolution lines. Since the P42A01 can only display 768 lines, it is not a full HD but a HD Ready TV.
A video material of 720 lines is already considered High definition video, though the 1080 content deliver unsurpassed picture detail and progressive-scan smoothness. The 1080 lines provide higher resolution without downconverting and sacrificing picture detail. When a 720 display receives a 1080 signal, it must downconvert it to 720. The resulting picture still looks great, but there's a slight loss in detail.
The 32" Samsung is a HD ready TV. At present, there is no full HD in the 32" category TV.
For further inquiry, please feel free to visit Sights and Sounds located at 4th level Shangri-La Plaza. You can also write me e-mail [email protected] or call mobile 09175413491.
Correction on the model, it's the Hitachi P42A01A or It's the same. Based on the website it's full HD. How about if it recieves a lower signal, does it retain the signal or it upscales it?
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Correction on the model, it's the Hitachi P42A01A or It's the same. Based on the website it's full HD. How about if it recieves a lower signal, does it retain the signal or it upscales it?
Correction: P42A01A is 1024 X 1080 pixels, but nevertheless is still a hd ready TV (not a Full HD).
Hitachi utilizes the HD1080 high definition display for a perfect vertical line-for-line match with today's High Definition TV standard, resulting in an accurate and detailed picture as oppose to full HD 1920x1080 resolution, which is a pixel-for-pixel match with the majority of HDTV broadcasting and high definition movies, providing the clearest and most accurate picture possible.
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That's right. 1024 x 1080 is not Full HD because Full HD requires 1920 x 1080 native resolution.
1024 x 1080 is a weird native resolution. That means it's 1024 pixels wide and 1080 pixels tall, which should give you a narrow and tall panel with a 0.95:1 ratio.
The reason why the panel itself has a wide 16:9 ratio is because the pixels are rectangular, rather than square. But you can imagine how difficult it would be to design video processing software that can do a good job of mapping the source resolution to the panel's native resolution. The farther the source resolution from the panel's native resolution, the more likely the video processing errors.
Why did Hitachi produce a 1024 x1080 plasma panel?
Because of LCD's intense competition with plasma. LCD's big selling point is higher resolution. It's extremely difficult to produce smaller pixels on plasma, so they couldn't produce a Full HD 42" plasma at the time.
Hitachi was the first to develop a 1080 line 42" plasma, I think it was in 2006. It was developed primarily for marketing purposes, with Hitachi proudly introducing the "world's first 42-inch 1080p plasma TV", while conveniently failing to mention that the vertical native resolution was only 1024 instead of 1920. The obvious objective was to be able to print the spec "1080" on its advertising.
In short, 1024 x 1080 is old technology. A 1024 x 768 or 1366 x 768 panel would probably perform better. The latest 42" models now have a Full HD 1920 x 1080 native resolution.
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I have a query on the proper setting for regular Cable TV viewing... there's the Wide and Full settings which takes up the entire plasma panel, there are also the 4:3 and other kinds of settings like 14:x settings which has grey bars on the side.
I usually zoom it because my 508XG is very new and I do not want to have that permanent burn-in problem...
please advise should you have tips on this...
many thanks!
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Hi, I have just passed my 100th hour burn-in last friday. I notice that after watching movies
in 2.35:1 or above format, i notice image retention from the black bars of the widescreen movie.
it is just soft and goes away after sometime. My question is this, will this ever go away or will we owners
of plasma have to live with it. What will happen if I watch 3 or more movies continiuosly in 2.35:1 or above
format. will the image retention from the black bars be more severe? I just wondering about the
purpose of burn-in test if this problem will not be totally eliminated. Thanks.
image retention is just light and it goes away when watching other film w/ it. It is not a main problem of plasma it is just the way it is. We are eliminating burn in that is why there is such a thing for brake in period to avoid burns on plasma not image retention. I for one dont believe in burn in period or shall we say "break in period" on plasma monitors nor lcd. Sa amplifier and speakers yes but tv no. As i have posted before these are 10th generation unit and so far since 2005 no plasma has been reported that has a BURN at any display area of department store, game rooms, call centers, movie house and puyat projects we've sold.
Parang a quick flash of light lang yan when its dark tapos tinamaan ka ng liwanag you'll see flashes in your eyes then after a while you'll regain normal sight.
Dont worry too much about it, enjoy your unit sir. ;)
regards,
jeff R. Pe
acoustic authority
www.theaterworksmnl.com
Thanks very much sir. more power
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Thanks for buying TV from Sights and Sounds. Congrats, and enjoy your new TV.
Sir, pa-PM naman ng price of Pioneer 508xg. Thanks
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Correction on the model, it's the Hitachi P42A01A or It's the same. Based on the website it's full HD. How about if it recieves a lower signal, does it retain the signal or it upscales it?
1024 x 1080 lang bro ive been using this since dec 2007. so far so good
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(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2905/hitachi42rd8.jpg)
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reviews - http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tvs/0,39037585,42185426p,00.htm
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My Pioneer 508XG arrived last Saturday and just love it! esp. when calibrated wow! :o Kudos to S' Vic of Sights and Sounds for the wonderful service. Highly Recommended!!
byron, you are right, this plasma really does rock! ;)
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My Pioneer 508XG arrived last Saturday and just love it! esp. when calibrated wow! :o Kudos to S' Vic of Sights and Sounds for the wonderful service. Highly Recommended!!
byron, you are right, this plasma really does rock! ;)
Thanks for buying the TV from us. Yes, this TV delivers picture that is head and shoulders above other TVs. Welcome to Pioneer!
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What is the current price range of 37" plasmas (Panasonic or other brands)?
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just got my new upgrade for my bedroom ht from S&S ;D this pio 428xg just shows class in terms of pq and sq 2 (the built-in amplified speakers has power and its dedicated sub w out->it has punch)!!:D just my two cents
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Hi 2ne congrats on your new Kuro! You won't regret it esp. when watching dvds on your DV600 @ 720p :)
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Hi 2ne congrats on your new Kuro! You won't regret it esp. when watching dvds on your DV600 @ 720p :)
i'm loving this kuro! no regrets at all grimlock, namimiss ko nga agad si kuro when im in office..para bang gusto agad umuwi ;Dhehe talaga @ 720p? sinubukan ko same movie (transformers the movie) both on 1080p and 720p cant see d difference...parehong superb pq! :) 720p ba ginagamit mo on standard dvds? thanks kudos to kuros\1 :D
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i'm loving this kuro! no regrets at all grimlock, namimiss ko nga agad si kuro when im in office..para bang gusto agad umuwi ;Dhehe talaga @ 720p? sinubukan ko same movie (transformers the movie) both on 1080p and 720p cant see d difference...parehong superb pq! :) 720p ba ginagamit mo on standard dvds? thanks kudos to kuros\1 :D
Congrats for owning a Pioneer Plasma TV. Welcome to the world of KURO!
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Good to know another satisfied kuro user. Yes 720p din ang gamit ko sa SD para wala ng maraming conversion. Sent you PM on my settings. Check mo kung magugustuhan mo. Enjoy!
i'm loving this kuro! no regrets at all grimlock, namimiss ko nga agad si kuro when im in office..para bang gusto agad umuwi ;Dhehe talaga @ 720p? sinubukan ko same movie (transformers the movie) both on 1080p and 720p cant see d difference...parehong superb pq! :) 720p ba ginagamit mo on standard dvds? thanks kudos to kuros\1 :D
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Good to know another satisfied kuro user. Yes 720p din ang gamit ko sa SD para wala ng maraming conversion. Sent you PM on my settings. Check mo kung magugustuhan mo. Enjoy!
i will bro ;) thanks for sharing :)
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has anyone done a comparison of pioneer PDP508XG and samsung PS50A450P? i've only started researching recently so i'm not that updated yet but after a couple days of reading it seems that these are currently the two best in the 50" 100-150k price range. the pioneer has been out for awhile and has had good reviews but the samsung is newer and yet cheaper. i will probably check them out in the mall once i get the chance but i thought maybe some experts here might enlighten me beforehand.
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has anyone done a comparison of pioneer PDP508XG and samsung PS50A450P? i've only started researching recently so i'm not that updated yet but after a couple days of reading it seems that these are currently the two best in the 50" 100-150k price range. the pioneer has been out for awhile and has had good reviews but the samsung is newer and yet cheaper. i will probably check them out in the mall once i get the chance but i thought maybe some experts here might enlighten me beforehand.
At Sights and Sounds 4th level Shangri-La Plaza, both Pioneer PDP508XG and Samsung PS50A450PI are displayed side-by-side for comparison. Between the two, Pioneer 508XG presents better black contrast and richer color than Samsung, though Samsung PS50A450PI is a worthy of consideration if you're on the budget.
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Sir E-reply, please tell us about your reviews on the 3D capability of the Samsung plasma! ;)
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Sir E-reply, please tell us about your reviews on the 3D capability of the Samsung plasma! ;)
We haven't tested the 3D feature because of the software and hardware that are still not available to us, the dealers.
However, here are the informations about 3D capability:
According to Samsung website: "3D technology is not only being applied to PC games but beginning to be broadly expanded to film and the web. Demand for 3D capable TV is rapidly increasing, so SAMSUNG has met the challenge with this awesome array of cutting edge technologies.
The roster of DVDs, games and applications that use 3D is growing quickly. You can enjoy 3D web content like GoogleEarth on a big screen, in addition to over 35 previously released 3D DVDs and many more new titles scheduled to be released this year. If your PC is equipped with nVidia graphic card, you can enjoy most of the 3D PC games on the market. Current 3D web content like Google Earth 4 and World of Warcraft are also available with DDD 3D software. With SAMSUNG's new advanced 3D technology, there is an experience waiting for you that is so real you can't imagine it."
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Thanks for the quick reply. Please tell us about the performance when the equipment become available.
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Pinoeer Kuro 9G! PDP-5020FD (50" plasma) & PDP-6020FD (60" plasma)
Pioneer Bows New 2008 KURO Plasma HDTV Models: PDP-5020FD, PDP-6020FD
By Chris Boylan
At a press event in New York City today, Pioneer announced and displayed the latest entries in their critically acclaimed KURO plasma HDTV line: 50-inch and 60-inch 1080p models which are claimed to produce black levels “5 times deeper” than their predecessors. This would be no mean feat as the current models already set the reference for contrast and black levels in consumer televisions.
http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/pioneer-kuru-pdp-5020fd-6020fd-1550.shtml
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Panasonic's new TVs are web-enabled
Watch YouTube on Panny’s new big screens
Watch YouTube on the tube {Panasonic PZ850}
Panasonic has unveiled a new range of Plasma TVs that allow you to access sites on the internet via its new VIERA CAST system.
The PZ850 series ranges houses four HDMI ports, has an impressive contrast ratio of 30,000:1, a dynamic ratio of 1,000,000:1 and 1080p 24p reproduction, so perfect for your Blu-ray Discs.
But this isn’t a TV just for your HD needs. It’s also a telly to feed your desire for web content. Quite why you would want to watch pixelated YouTube videos on your 46in TV is beyond us but Panasonic has kindly given you the option. The VIERA CAST will also allow you to access Picasso, Google’s photo sharing site, and Bloomberg.
Speaking about the YouTube link-up, Steve Chen, co-founder and CTO of YouTube said: “We’re dedicated to providing users around the world with a great YouTube experience no matter where they are.
“Working with an industry leader like Panasonic will deliver the same great YouTube experience that users have come to expect on their computers; browsing, finding and watching millions of YouTube videos from the comfort of their living room.”
The PZ850 comes in four sizes: 46in (TH-46PZ850); 50in (TH-50PZ850); 58in (TH-58PZ850); and 65in (TH-65PZ850). Pricing starts at $3,000 (£1,550). (techradar.com)
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Panasonic Press Release:
Panasonic's plasma half-brightness rating upped to 100,000 hours
by Joshua Topolsky, posted Aug 8th 2007 at 2:05PM
http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/08/panasonics-plasma-half-brightness-rating-upped-to-100-000-hours/
Today's Panasonic Plasma TVs Might Outlast Owners
Thursday August 14, 11:57 am ET
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080814/nyth070a.html?.v=1
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Smaller Sizes Helping Boost Plasma Sales
Flat-panel sales in the 32- and 42-inch size range --
with 32 inches new to the category -- made Q2 2008 a
productive one for plasma TVs.
http://www.electronichouse.com/article/smaller_sizes_helping_boost_plasma_sales/C157
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Hitachi to buy Matsushita plasma TV panels - Nikkei
Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:05pm EDT
TOKYO, Sept 18 (Reuters) - Japan's Hitachi Ltd will buy plasma TV panels from Panasonic-maker Matsushita Electric Industrial Co as the firms cut costs in a market increasingly dominated by LCD TVs ...
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUST8877120080917
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barrister what model are you using right now?
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Panasonic TH-42PA60M, EDTV.
Unedited screenshots:
The Sixth Sense, burned on DVD-R single layer.
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It's a 9th generation Viera, the last of the Japan made 42 inch models from Panasonic Philippines.
Jurassic na ito, 480p lang kasi ang native resolution. You will start seeing the panel's native pixels at 6 feet and closer (my sofa is 10 feet away).
But the advantage is that it has a near-perfect resolution match with SD DVD. No problem with pixel mapping, but it only works well with NTSC video; PAL gets some shimmering. No burn-in whatsoever. Never even had a hint of IR.
I figure I will not upgrade it until they solve the green phosphor lag problem. ;)
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Panasonic TH-42PA60M, EDTV.
Unedited screenshots:
It's a 9th generation Viera, the last of the Japan made 42 inch models from Panasonic Philippines.
Jurassic na ito, 480p lang kasi ang native resolution. You will start seeing the panel's native pixels at 6 feet and closer (my sofa is 10 feet away).
But the advantage is that it has a near-perfect resolution match with SD DVD. No problem with pixel mapping, but it only works well with NTSC video; PAL gets some shimmering. No burn-in whatsoever. Never even had a hint of IR.
I figure I will not upgrade it until they solve the green phosphor lag problem. ;)
galit ka talaga sa green phospor ha .. ::)
have you seen the pv8 series? ;D
btw is the hd version of I robot and dvd the same, i mean can they both show the issue with green phospor lag?
i want to check my pv80 kasi baka sakaling wala na .. maconvince kita bumili .. ;D
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galit ka talaga sa green phospor ha .. ::)
Well, sa tingin ko mahirap na mag-upgrade. Wala akong kaproble-problema sa IR, baka pag nag-upgrade ako magka IR pa. Tapos pareho rin ang green trails problem. Wag na lang ... :D
have you seen the pv8 series? ;D
Yes, sa big appliance store chain. Maganda talaga. Very confident mag-demo ng SD DVD sa bright showroom. Yung mga LCD puro hi def on hard disc or BD ang source.
btw is the hd version of I robot and dvd the same, i mean can they both show the issue with green phospor lag?
i want to check my pv80 kasi baka sakaling wala na .. maconvince kita bumili .. ;D
Hindi ko pa nakita sa BD, pero siguradong pareho rin yon. Yung response speed ng green phosphor ng panel ang problema, hindi yung source material.
Kung hindi sila makakadevelop ng bagong green phosphor, pareho rin yan, kahit 4K resolution sa holographic disc pa ang source mo.
But very few people can see it. If you do, you will be only the 4th member here to observe it.
i want to check my pv80 kasi baka sakaling wala na .. maconvince kita bumili .. ;D
Meron din yan. In fact, na-confirm na ni sir Carlo777:
Guys paki post naman good settings for the pv8 when it comes to ...
... BTW, THERE ARE GREEN TRAILS WHEN YOU PLAY A GAME (noticable when you move fast, and look around). IS THIS NORMAL?
PV8 daw, pero kung PV80, ganun din yon kasi pareho rin ang panel.
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Are green phosphor lag a problem on all plasmas?
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Yes, definitely. But many would not consider it a problem, because they can't see it anyway.
Let's just put it this way: Is it present on all plasmas? --- Yes.
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Sir, pa pm ng pricelist ng lcd tvs 32-40. thanks po.
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thats why kung gaming, mas ganda pa rin ang LCD,
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thats why kung gaming, mas ganda pa rin ang LCD,
what type of game? is it for ps3 gaming or pc gaming?
im playing PS3 games using LG and panasonic plasma without any issues .. detailed parin .. btw although my lg was an EDTV, it still has details at 1080i .. ;) (no hiccups too)
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@barrister too bad my buddy who downloads hd stuff for me prioritized band of brothers .. :(
ill be getting my .mkv i robot next week .. or if theres one in video city ill rent it instead .. :)
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Are green phosphor lag a problem on all plasmas?
I'm sorry for my ignorance, but what is green phospor lag? :-[
Thanks
dredmund
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Try browsing this article:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/plasma-phosphor-trail-2007040133.htm
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@barrister too bad my buddy who downloads hd stuff for me prioritized band of brothers .. :(
ill be getting my .mkv i robot next week .. or if theres one in video city ill rent it instead .. :)
meron ako DVD...pwede ko dalhin bukas :)
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meron ako DVD...pwede ko dalhin bukas :)
uy thanks bro .. usap tayo IM .. hehehe :D
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barrister i just got the copy from Bolshoie .. what was the timestamp again? so i can go directly to that part/chapter .. thanks bro :)
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barrister i just got the copy from Bolshoie .. what was the timestamp again? so i can go directly to that part/chapter .. thanks bro :)
found it .. tama ba ito? sa lcd thread ko rin kasi nakita eh ..
That's right. The best way is to actually see for yourself before deciding.
You might want to bring these DVD discs along for testing judder:
I, Robot, Chap. 10, Time: 25:35 to 25:57. Look at the robots. (Note: on plasma, you will also see green phosphor lag on the robots in addition to the judder :D)
The Day After Tomorrow, Chap.1, Time: 00:53 to 02:55. Look at the foreground.
thanks nga pala bolshoie for lending me your copy ;D
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what type of game? is it for ps3 gaming or pc gaming?
im playing PS3 games using LG and panasonic plasma without any issues .. detailed parin .. btw although my lg was an EDTV, it still has details at 1080i .. ;) (no hiccups too)
i play my PS3 on my LCD at Plasma iba talaga ang res hehe sabagay 1024 x 768 lang plasma namin, yung pv80h, tapos 1366 x 768 something sa LCD lols i have the same experience on this thread :
"I ´ve recently changed from a 32" LCD to a 42" Plasma. Compared both images, LCD for PS3 gaming seems more "computer like" graphics, very brilliant and the text it´s well defined, like a PC monitor.
The Plasma it´s still as good, but not that brilliant, colors are softer (maybe realistics?), but when you pop up a BD movie or a DVD, the Plasma beats the LCD hands down.
So i think you have to prioritize"
ito pala ang reason
"May be because your plasma doesn't have square pixels, they're rectangular on 42" monitors. Rectangular pixels are notoriously bad for text reproduction."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=856400
crap, looks like i need a 50" to get 1366 x 768 on a plasma lols oh well mostly the plasma is 90% used for movies anyway and i play my ps3 mostly on my LCD monitor
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crap, looks like i need a 50" to get 1366 x 768 on a plasma lols oh well mostly the plasma is 90% used for movies anyway and i play my ps3 mostly on my LCD monitor
adjust the DPI nalang if youre having issues with the text .. :)
sa gaming kasi medyo subjective narin siguro .. i liked it better sa pana pv80 (lg 32plasma and pv70) compared to my lcdtv before which was panasonic 32lx77.
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barrister i already checked the timestamps that you posted for both movies (i, robot and day after tomorrow) ..
i guess im one of those who cant see it .. but my next question is .. what am i really looking for? .. no green stuff (i checked the black and the white part of the robots and the background as well .. same as with the movie day after tomorrow smooth as well) .. if its not too much to ask .. maybe you can post an image with the phospor lag? :) (please :) )
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Its called phosphor lag, some people see it, some don't but the video cam can see it very well, its like the refresh rate on monitor CRTs, if you can notice the difference between 60hz and 72hz for instance you can notice this, so blessed are those who are insensitive hehe :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVw_VvFcV1U&feature=related
just read the comments below...
haven't noticed this myself, but i haven't really bumped up the contrast/brightness on my plasma yet and i'm sensitive to these things, amf!!!
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maka singit lang mga sir.
try nyo the Final Fantasy Vll Advent Children, you can see a lot of Phosphor Lag in the last fight of the main character of the movie.
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barrister i already checked the timestamps that you posted for both movies (i, robot and day after tomorrow) ..
i guess im one of those who cant see it ..
I, Robot ang nakita kong may green trails, not The Day After Tomorrow.
The Day After Tomorrow shows judder, but I didn't see green trails there. On I, Robot, may judder na, may green trails pa.
By the way, my time stamps were from the R3 versions. But I suppose there will be a time difference only when compared with PAL (R2, R4) discs.
.. but my next question is .. what am i really looking for? .. no green stuff (i checked the black and the white part of the robots and the background as well .. same as with the movie day after tomorrow smooth as well) .. if its not too much to ask .. maybe you can post an image with the phospor lag? :) (please :) )
Wala akong videocam e. In any case, sir darkwing's YouTube post on Reply #383 above clearly shows how it looks like naman.
But that YouTube video is not an accurate representation, since the videocam is introducing its own artifacts, probably because it does not capture an exact 1:1 framerate from the source via its own lens.
The videocam shows an exaggerated green trail, much worse and much slower than it looks like in the real world. But the clip is very useful if the only purpose is to give you some idea about how the green trails look like.
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I, Robot ang nakita kong may green trails, not The Day After Tomorrow.
The Day After Tomorrow shows judder, but I didn't see green trails there. On I, Robot, may judder na, may green trails pa.
By the way, my time stamps were from the R3 versions. But I suppose there will be a time difference only when compared with PAL (R2, R4) discs.
Wala akong videocam e. In any case, sir darkwing's YouTube post on Reply #383 above clearly shows how it looks like naman.
But that YouTube video is not an accurate representation, since the videocam is introducing its own artifacts, probably because it does not capture an exact 1:1 framerate from the source via its own lens.
The videocam shows an exaggerated green trail, much worse and much slower than it looks like in the real world. But the clip is very useful if the only purpose is to give you some idea about how the green trails look like.
wala akong nakita on both bro .. maybe im just lucky i cant notice those things .. :D
ah sorry i notice the delay sa day after tomorrow but it was tolerable .. no green stuff though .. btw i cant checkout the youtube vids ..bawal sa office .. i can do a workaround but id rather not .. labas nalang muna ako, punta ako internet cafe .. :)
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using R3 dvd on i robot and pirat3d version of a day after tomorrow .. :)
update .. i already saw the video in youtube .. and i didnt experience that, even in ps3 gaming ..
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using R3 dvd on i robot and pirat3d version of a day after tomorrow .. :)
update .. i already saw the video in youtube .. and i didnt experience that, even in ps3 gaming ..
tawag sayo pinagpala :D
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some people's eyes are just sensitive to it, mind you, the lag only occurs for several milliseconds pero makakita pa rin ang iba, as for me i only notice this in fast, high contrast movement, ganyan effect sa sample youtube video pero hinde ganyan ka grabe hehehe sanayan lang yata to ;D na check ko yung sinabi ni joepapas regarding FF:AC, yup prime example yun XD very sensitive rin eyes ko, i can spot the difference from a 60hz and a 72hz refresh rate in a crt monitor maski several feet away ::)
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ah sorry i notice the delay sa day after tomorrow but it was tolerable .. no green stuff though .. btw i cant checkout the youtube vids ..bawal sa office .. i can do a workaround but id rather not .. labas nalang muna ako, punta ako internet cafe .. :)
just to quote myself .. i just reinstalled my codec since most of my dvds and 1080p mkvs (for some reason >:( ) does not play smooth ..
smooth as silk again .. :)
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I heard that certain plasma models have the "whitewash" feature. If so, does the PV80 have it? And how is this activated?
Tnx.
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I heard that certain plasma models have the "whitewash" feature. If so, does the PV80 have it? And how is this activated?
Tnx.
i tried tinkering with the menu options of my tv when i first got it .. did not find any options for it on my first attempt and totally forgot about it .. will try and check my tv later if it has it .. ;D
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Cheapest Panasonic Neo PDP: $1.2K on Amazon
Panasonic Viera S1 Series TC-P42S1 42-Inch 1080p Plasma HDTV
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515pBel7HDL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Viera-TC-P42S1-42-Inch-Plasma/dp/B001UE6M8O
CNET review:
Panasonic TC-P42S1
CNET editors' review
Reviewed by: David Katzmaier
Reviewed on: 03/11/2009
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(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/sc/33490462-2-440-RMT-4.jpg)
Plasma has always used significantly more power than LCD. Panasonic aims to narrow that gap with a new plasma display panel it calls, naturally, Neo PDP. The least expensive of the company's numerous 2009 plasma models to boast the new panel is the TC-PS1 series.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p42s1/4505-6482_7-33490462.html
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Cheapest Panasonic Neo PDP: $1.2K on Amazon
Panasonic Viera S1 Series TC-P42S1 42-Inch 1080p Plasma HDTV
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515pBel7HDL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Viera-TC-P42S1-42-Inch-Plasma/dp/B001UE6M8O
CNET review:
Panasonic TC-P42S1
CNET editors' review
Reviewed by: David Katzmaier
Reviewed on: 03/11/2009
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/sc/33490462-2-440-OVR-1.gif)
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/sc/33490462-2-440-RMT-4.jpg)
Plasma has always used significantly more power than LCD. Panasonic aims to narrow that gap with a new plasma display panel it calls, naturally, Neo PDP. The least expensive of the company's numerous 2009 plasma models to boast the new panel is the TC-PS1 series.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p42s1/4505-6482_7-33490462.html
"Next time, baby!"
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Just cannot get this out of my head... ???
I finally got the PV8 and in the break-in period. Watching movies lang being careful not to pause for a long time.
This brings me the thought of the widescreen or the black bars up and down. The manual says we should be careful of the 4:3 mode which has the black bars left and right.
So, my question is: If the black in plasma has nothing to do with the phosphours (or the absence of electricity or light), shouldnt we worry about it? My analogy is that it is just the same with turning the tv off. Somebody please enlighten :'(
This so I do not have to worry watching movies in widescreen mode. Currently Im watching them stretch out to the sides or zooming in which crops some side details.
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Others can correct me if I'm wrong but I think this has to do with having the phosphors "age" at the same time. If you watch something with black bars, the parts where the movie is showing may get dimmer than the ones not being used (black bars). Later on, it's possible you might notice a difference in the brightness of the phosphors when you're watching something in full screen.
But then, this is just a precaution during break in. Some people even say that you don't need to break in at all so you might not even notice any difference one way or another.
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ah, ok... yes, i think it makes sense... parang warm-up pala...
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This so I do not have to worry watching movies in widescreen mode. Currently Im watching them stretch out to the sides or zooming in which crops some side details.
what player are you using? you can use panasonics zoom 1, and/or the overscan option. this should fill out the screen, maybe a little stretched but no lost in detail.
or if youre using an htpc, use kmplayer. there is an option there to stretch, overscan etc. keyboard shortcut is ctrl + enter. hth ;)
btw dont worry too much about burn in, you might end up not enjoying your viewing. ;)
for what its worth i didnt follow the burn in procedure, i just "whitewashed" my plasma for 24 hours for even burning of phospor :D
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This so I do not have to worry watching movies in widescreen mode. Currently Im watching them stretch out to the sides or zooming in which crops some side details.
Read all about the break in period procedures in this thread and after getting a plasma TV, I initially planned to follow it but after lowering all the settings and stretching, it destroys my watching experience and that would be for 100hrs if you follow it. I immediately switched back all the settings to the best settings possible and even watched a full length movie with black bars in dynamic mode and there was no burn in. I have not reached the 100hr mark yet but until now, there is still no sign of burn in. I only use this TV for cable and dvd viewing.
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what player are you using? you can use panasonics zoom 1, and/or the overscan option. this should fill out the screen, maybe a little stretched but no lost in detail.
or if youre using an htpc, use kmplayer. there is an option there to stretch, overscan etc. keyboard shortcut is ctrl + enter. hth ;)
btw dont worry too much about burn in, you might end up not enjoying your viewing. ;)
for what its worth i didnt follow the burn in procedure, i just "whitewashed" my plasma for 24 hours for even burning of phospor :D
im using htpc at the moment and i just change the aspect ratio to 4:3. it fills the screen vertically and crops out the side details.
and yes, i guess the burn-in may just be "in our minds". will do the whitewash later.
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nako mga bro have no worry kung gen 7? and above your plasma tv sa burn-in "kuno" ng plasma!.. im using my ever reliable 42" panasonic edtv (gen8- 3yrs old +). very clear sa cable tv (as if dvd quality! - skycable),...used it sa PS3 (480p-1080i capable pero naka set sa 720p ;D) na sabi nila eh "bad" daw sa plasma? nakow kalokohan yun! ;D naglalaro anak ko sa ps3 almost 10hrs walang patayan almost everyday, still no sign of problem... ;D ;D, black bars sa widescreen? no problem yun basta wag lang 48hrs na may blackbars hehehehe, make sure lang na nako "on" ang screensavers nyo.... nakatuwa nyan eh kala ko up to 480p lang tv ko mag-upgrade sana ako ng tv nung time na bumili ako ng ps3 pero kaya pala nya up to 1080i... good! laking tipid ko!... HD! ::)
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nako mga bro have no worry kung gen 7? and above your plasma tv sa burn-in "kuno" ng plasma!.. im using my ever reliable 42" panasonic edtv (gen8- 3yrs old +). very clear sa cable tv (as if dvd quality! - skycable),...used it sa PS3 (480p-1080i capable pero naka set sa 720p ;D) na sabi nila eh "bad" daw sa plasma? nakow kalokohan yun! ;D naglalaro anak ko sa ps3 almost 10hrs walang patayan almost everyday, still no sign of problem... ;D ;D, black bars sa widescreen? no problem yun basta wag lang 48hrs na may blackbars hehehehe, make sure lang na nako "on" ang screensavers nyo.... nakatuwa nyan eh kala ko up to 480p lang tv ko mag-upgrade sana ako ng tv nung time na bumili ako ng ps3 pero kaya pala nya up to 1080i... good! laking tipid ko!... HD! ::)
3 years old and no burn .. nice ;D
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Panasonic, LG and Samsung defend the existence and viability of plasma displays (http://www.eclecticelectronics.net/ht-home-theater/panasonic-lg-and-samsung-defend-the-existence-and-viability-of-plasma-displays/)
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Xencia mga Sir medyo out of thread topic... ask ko lang sana if anybody knows the AVsurfer store location and better if if i can have the number too.. I will greatly appreciate it.
ME promo kasi and HSBC na LCD 50% 18 months to pay off but i have to know kung me available pa sila sa stock before ako mag pa Manila. Ill be coming from Cebu.
Anybody! pls help. Thanks.
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Hometheatermag has a simple but good explanation about Panasonic 2009's 600Hz sub-field tech:
Panasonic TC-P46G10 Plasma HDTV
By Thomas J. Norton • June, 2009
... Panasonic claims improved motion performance for its new panel and drive system, thanks to an increase in the subfield drive frequency to 600 hertz. Subfield drive is a fundamental part of plasma display technology, not a special feature. It’s related to how often each pixel flashes for each picture frame and the digital video bit rate. To explain this briefly, without wading waist deep into techno babble, if you increase the subfield drive frequency, it increases the options available to designers. This allows them to enhance the image in a number of ways, including smoother motion and less false contouring. However, simply increasing the frequency does not do this. Rather, it’s how the engineers make use of the added capability of that higher frequency that counts.
http://www.hometheatermag.com/flat-panels/panasonic_tc-p46g10_plasma_hdtv/
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Samsung Axes H7000 Plasma TV; F8500 to Carry Over in 2014
By Vincent Teoh
15 March 2014, 2:00 am GMT
Samsung has announced its US plasma TV lineup for 2014, and it appears that the hotly anticipated H7000 series – originally slated for release during this summer – has been axed. The Samsung F8500 PDP (plasma display panel) will carry on selling in 2014 as the company’s high-end plasma offering.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-h7000-201403153671.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-h7000-201403153671.htm)
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Though it pains us to say as video enthusiasts, Samsung’s decision makes perfect business sense. The South Korean TV brand is betting big on ultra high-definition (UHD) and curved displays, and flat-screen plasmas which are almost impossible to be made in 4K guise are the direct antithesis of the company’s vision. We predict that Samsung will pull the plug on its PDP division in 2015, perhaps even as early as late-2014. The future is 4K Ultra HD, and unfortunately there’s just no place for plasma.
that is just so wrong :(
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Samsung PN64H5000 (USA) Plasma TV Review
By David Mackenzie 14 March 2014 Verdict: Recommended
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/US/Samsung-PN64H5000/product.jpg)
... Overall, we think the Samsung PN64H5000 is going to put smiles on the faces of self-emissive display fans, at a time where there’s precious little other good news (Samsung seems to have one foot out of bed with OLED at the moment, and we don’t have to remind anyone about Panasonic’s recent decision).
The “elephant in the room” is the pentile subpixel layout, which observant users might find to be an acquired taste at this screen size.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/pn64h5000-201403143657.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/pn64h5000-201403143657.htm)
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The Last – And Best – Panasonic Plasma We’ll Ever Review
By Vincent Teoh
23 March 2014, 2:00 pm GMT
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Ok, this is REALLY the last Panasonic plasma we’ll ever review.
Shortly after we published our Viera TX-P42GT60B review five weeks ago, declaring it as “the last Panasonic plasma we’ll ever review”, our friends at Panasonic Store Doncaster contacted us, offering to send us the TX-P60ZT65B – the best plasma TV the Japanese manufacturer has ever produced – to test as a fitting final farewell. Given our genuine admiration of what Panasonic plasmas have brought to the video enthusiast community over the years, how could we refuse?
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt-201403233655.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt-201403233655.htm)
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The Last – And Best – Panasonic Plasma We’ll Ever Review
By Vincent Teoh
23 March 2014, 2:00 pm GMT
(http://s0.static.mymemory.co.uk/images/memory-selector/products/pre-1384333960.jpg)
Ok, this is REALLY the last Panasonic plasma we’ll ever review.
Shortly after we published our Viera TX-P42GT60B review five weeks ago, declaring it as “the last Panasonic plasma we’ll ever review”, our friends at Panasonic Store Doncaster contacted us, offering to send us the TX-P60ZT65B – the best plasma TV the Japanese manufacturer has ever produced – to test as a fitting final farewell. Given our genuine admiration of what Panasonic plasmas have brought to the video enthusiast community over the years, how could we refuse?
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt-201403233655.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt-201403233655.htm)
Mabuhay!
Available na kaya ito sa Philippines?
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my VT60 is impressing every guest na makapanuod dito sa bahay. buti na lang nairaos to, medyo mahirap na ang stocks dito, especially the ST60.
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bookmarked
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If anyone's interested, I inquired in Western Appliances in Fishermall on Samsung's 43F4900 Plasma. I know it's not Full HD but it has active 3D. And the final discounted price is P19,500 for full cash payment. Planning to get one myself this week. Not bad right? Or is this a bad set?
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For me, bad set. Why? Because pixel size is too small.
It's a 720p panel. OK lang dapat yon. Pero compared to 720p LCDs, mas maliit ang pixels ng 720p plasma, kaya malaki ang distance between pixels, kita yung interpixel distances as stripes.
See my old post: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,185674.msg2024431.html#msg2024431 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,185674.msg2024431.html#msg2024431)
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For me, bad set. Why? Because pixel size is too small.
It's a 720p panel. OK lang dapat yon. Pero compared to 720p LCDs, mas maliit ang pixels ng 720p plasma, kaya malaki ang distance between pixels, kita yung interpixel distances as stripes.
See my old post: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,185674.msg2024431.html#msg2024431 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,185674.msg2024431.html#msg2024431)
Ow! I'll think about it siguro. Would screen size matter since I'm getting 43" versus 51" in the post linked? I'll probably have another look to see if I can see any pixels, Didn't notice it last night.
thanks!
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It depends on screen size and viewing distance. Less noticeable for smaller screen and farther distance.
In my case, I can still see stripes even on a 43" plasma. Look for white areas of the screen and edges of fonts. If you can't see the stripes, then I think it's a good TV.
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Why Samsung's F8500 is the last great plasma TV
Contrary to what the company indicated at CES, Samsung won't bring to market
any new plasma TVs for 2014 -- aside from a single mainstream 64-inch model.
That leaves the carryover F8500 as default champion of non-OLED picture quality.
by David Katzmaier
@dkatzmaier / March 31, 2014 3:10 PM PDT
http://www.cnet.com/news/why-samsungs-f8500-is-the-last-great-plasma-tv/ (http://www.cnet.com/news/why-samsungs-f8500-is-the-last-great-plasma-tv/)
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Why Ultra HD 4K TVs are still stupid
The flood of TVs with higher resolution than 1080p is inevitable,
but at typical TV sizes, quadruple the pixels makes no difference
in picture quality and are not worth the extra price.
by Geoffrey Morrison
@TechWriterGeoff / January 28, 2013 5:32 PM PST
... Nothing I say will stop Ultra HD. Look no further than our own CES coverage for proof of that. TV manufactures are smelling margin like blood in the water. This is something they can do, now, and for a profit. So it's happening, whether it's necessary or not. Instead of improving aspects of the image that need fixing, we get 4K because it's easy to do, easy to sell, and easy to demo. Awesome.
http://www.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/ (http://www.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/)
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okay got it! thanks for the help!
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sana they focused on OLED rather than UHD.. oh well. what do you expect from these manufacturers? bottom line is profit ang habol ng lahat.. bigger markup = bigger profit.
mag backfire sana at mag flop ang push nila... UHD is not yet here, bakit nila minamadali...
i remember the early adaptors of flat screen tv tuloy... nung may mga 720 and 1080p na, wala pala silang HDMI ports..
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nakita ko sa isang shop ng Samsun yung isang Curved OLED tv nila, i was expectig to be blown away by the PQ, pero parang hindi. o baka its the content that they were playing.
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nakita ko sa isang shop ng Samsun yung isang Curved OLED tv nila, i was expectig to be blown away by the PQ, pero parang hindi. o baka its the content that they were playing.
oled would probably have same as led pic quality.. pero the black levels of a plasma.. everytime i look at my oled phone and psvita... i drool.. and wish na sana ganito kaitim ang tv.
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Just an update on my part, I decided to get the 43f4900. Didn't get it at 19.5k but instead 22k. Western Appliances ran out of stock and was selling the display unit only for 18.7k
As for the TV itself, I'm very happy and satisfied. I'm coming from a 32" LG 720P LCD bought almost 5 years ago.
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Just an update on my part, I decided to get the 43f4900. Didn't get it at 19.5k but instead 22k. Western Appliances ran out of stock and was selling the display unit only for 18.7k
As for the TV itself, I'm very happy and satisfied. I'm coming from a 32" LG 720P LCD bought almost 5 years ago.
Sir totoo ba tong nabasa ko... nasa 22k mo lang nakuha? Kasi nakita ko sa SnS facebook page 25k pa to.
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Kumusta mga upcoming 2014 samsung & LG plasmas?
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Bored nako sa 50" LG Plamsa ko. Im planning to go 60"-65" route.
Should I get 3D (i wanna try it) or will it be obsolete in the near future?
And since LG ang gamit ko ngayon though calibrated na sya, I wanna try a Panny plasma to see what the hype is all about.
Suggest 60"-65" plasma TVs under $2000 (or lower) :)
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Which Plasma tv is ok, LG 42PN4500 or a Samsung 43F4500/4900?
In terms of specs and picture quality.
Durability and after sales service.
I don't mind about the 3D.
And, is a SIGMA brand as wall mount ok for this?
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Naku, instead of spending 5,000 for a discontinued (and heavily gouged) and leftover VT60s, I would rather have the 3K Samsung 8500. Yon nalang talaga ang talagang magandang-magandang plasma model na readily available pa, and hindi pa nagbabago ang price.
Baka sakaling meron kang makitang 2.3K na 65ST60 sa Ebay.
Bored nako sa 50" LG Plamsa ko. Im planning to go 60"-65" route.
Should I get 3D (i wanna try it) or will it be obsolete in the near future?
And since LG ang gamit ko ngayon though calibrated na sya, I wanna try a Panny plasma to see what the hype is all about.
Suggest 60"-65" plasma TVs under $2000 (or lower) :)
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Not about plasma TV, but related news because of the Pioneer name. After stopping its TV production, Pioneer now wants to sell its entire home audio-visual line:
Will Pioneer Sell Off Its AV Business?
By: Joseph Palenchar
5/15/2014 09:15:00 AM
Pioneer hopes to strike a deal by July to divest itself of its A/V business but remain in the car electronics business, which generates 70 percent of sales, Nikkei reported.
http://www.twice.com/blog/reporters-notebook/will-pioneer-sell-its-av-business/45271 (http://www.twice.com/blog/reporters-notebook/will-pioneer-sell-its-av-business/45271)
http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Deals/Pioneer-putting-AV-equipment-business-on-the-block (http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Deals/Pioneer-putting-AV-equipment-business-on-the-block)
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Which Plasma tv is ok, LG 42PN4500 or a Samsung 43F4500/4900?
In terms of specs and picture quality.
Durability and after sales service.
I don't mind about the 3D.
And, is a SIGMA brand as wall mount ok for this?
both are entry-level plasma tvs. but between the two, I think LG's 42PN4500 has better picture quality.
PS
I'm a proud owner of a Samsung 51F5000. ;D
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both are entry-level plasma tvs. but between the two, I think LG's 42PN4500 has better picture quality.
PS
I'm a proud owner of a Samsung 51F5000. ;D
Thanks DTNS for the reply. I hope matibay itong LG.
btw, saw a SAMSUNG 43H4000 plasma in Automatic Center in Gateway, not sure if this is a new 2014 plasma model.
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Thanks DTNS for the reply. I hope matibay itong LG.
btw, saw a SAMSUNG 43H4000 plasma in Automatic Center in Gateway, not sure if this is a new 2014 plasma model.
I also saw the H series Samsung tvs in SM Appliance the other day. I think these are the 2014 models na. (I don't know why they skipped the letter G. baka malas ang G sa korea. :P)
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Sa Ansons Cash and Carry inoofer sakin Samsung 43H4000 for 23K cash. Oks kaya ito mga Sir?
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Sa Ansons Cash and Carry inoofer sakin Samsung 43H4000 for 23K cash. Oks kaya ito mga Sir?
I looked it up the net for the specs, mukhang mababa lang screen res nya, nasa 800+ lang x 640 ata.. compared to the old model na 43F4500 screen res is 1024x760+
I'm not sure kung bakit sila naglabas ng ganito kababa na screen resolution for a new 2014 model, kaya pala parang pansin ko mga jagged edges sa Shrek 4 na dine-demo nila.
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852 x 480 ang exact native resolution ng 43H4000. very low by today's standards. oks lang to kung standard definition lang ang papanoorin mo.
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Olats pala kung ganun ang model na ito, for its price na 23K, better off getting the older models na plasma.
Mas gusto ko sana yung Samsung na full hd 51 incher kaya lang kapos ang budget, nun pasko ko pa gusto bilhin yun sa Abenson.
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sirs, what plasma tvs are equivalent to Sammys 51F5000 since the said model is already hard to find nowadays...thanks...
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sirs, what plasma tvs are equivalent to Sammys 51F5000 since the said model is already hard to find nowadays...thanks...
May nakita pa ko nyan sir sa Abensons kahapon, buy 1 take 1 promo pa din. Ayaw nila nung separate, combo meals lang daw.
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p572/chicomark13/2014518180440.jpg)
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p572/chicomark13/2014518180434.jpg)
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sirs, what plasma tvs are equivalent to Sammys 51F5000 since the said model is already hard to find nowadays...thanks...
LG has some Full HD plasma tvs in their 2014 lineup. I don't know if any of them are locally available yet.
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thanks for the info sir...is the deal worth it...considering that i dont need the 28inch led...would i be saving much if i just purchased the 51 independently...thanks for the inputs sir...
May nakita pa ko nyan sir sa Abensons kahapon, buy 1 take 1 promo pa din. Ayaw nila nung separate, combo meals lang daw.
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p572/chicomark13/2014518180440.jpg)
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i would try and check out available lg panels out in the market sir...thanks...i would consider it too...
LG has some Full HD plasma tvs in their 2014 lineup. I don't know if any of them are locally available yet.
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I don't know if anyone posted these links already:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/plasma-ces-201401063562.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/plasma-ces-201401063562.htm)
http://www.whathifi.com/news/lg-shows-off-2014-tv-range-%E2%80%93-and-plasma-lives-on (http://www.whathifi.com/news/lg-shows-off-2014-tv-range-%E2%80%93-and-plasma-lives-on)
looks like LG and Samsung will be the remaining flag-bearers of plasma tech.
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thanks for the info sir...is the deal worth it...considering that i dont need the 28inch led...would i be saving much if i just purchased the 51 independently...thanks for the inputs sir...
i would try and check out available lg panels out in the market sir...thanks...i would consider it too...
if there's really no need for the second tv, getting it at 30k+ is a good deal for this one, but having the 28-inch combo is also a good one - big discount there ... if they would not allow to sell the tv separately, selling the 28-inch at 8 to 9k would be a good value for other buyers
just a note - i purchased a 32-inch LG LED tv for my room, the model is probably top of the line on its class ... the Samsung F51F5000 is much much better in terms of picture quality
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if there's really no need for the second tv, getting it at 30k+ is a good deal for this one, but having the 28-inch combo is also a good one - big discount there ... if they would not allow to sell the tv separately, selling the 28-inch at 8 to 9k would be a good value for other buyers
just a note - i purchased a 32-inch LG LED tv for my room, the model is probably top of the line on its class ... the Samsung F51F5000 is much much better in terms of picture quality
thanks for the added info sir...makes it easier on my end to decide on with certainty as to what unit to purchase...appreciate all the inputs given...
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Is there a 75 inch plasma? LG or Samsung?
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Is there a 75 inch plasma? LG or Samsung?
Samsung currently offers the 60F5500 and the 64F8500. Panasonic used to make plasma tvs in 85", 103", and 152" sizes.
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Samsung currently offers the 60F5500 and the 64F8500. Panasonic used to make plasma tvs in 85", 103", and 152" sizes.
Does Anson still sell the Samsung 60F5500, if not, any store? Anyone has an idea how much is this unit cash? My original plan was to go LED due to our bright living room due to sunlight, we just had a roof installed in the garage so direct sunlight got blocked. I hope this unit will be less by 10 to 15k from its LED counterparts.
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Does Anson still sell the Samsung 60F5500, if not, any store? Anyone has an idea how much is this unit cash? My original plan was to go LED due to our bright living room due to sunlight, we just had a roof installed in the garage so direct sunlight got blocked. I hope this unit will be less by 10 to 15k from its LED counterparts.
I have no idea if Anson sells the 60F5500 plasma. try sending a pm to E-Reply (Sights & Sounds). they might have it in their lineup.
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Should I get the 2011 Panasonic VT20 60 inch plasma or should I get an LG or Toshiba 60 inch LED TV?
My non-negotiables are eye strain and motion blur when watching fast-paced action scenes and playing video games. They say LED TVs are known for these two qualities.
However, the catch with the VT20 is that parts (panel board, etc.) are out of stock in case they get defective.
Would appreciate your advice. Thanks!
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Should I get the 2011 Panasonic VT20 60 inch plasma or should I get an LG or Toshiba 60 inch LED TV?
My non-negotiables are eye strain and motion blur when watching fast-paced action scenes and playing video games. They say LED TVs are known for these two qualities.
However, the catch with the VT20 is that parts (panel board, etc.) are out of stock in case they get defective.
Would appreciate your advice. Thanks!
get toshiba or LG... newer tech...
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Mga sir, madami pa ba nagbebenta ng plasma TVs ngayon?
I'm looking for a 42" display. Mga magkano ang aabutin nun and which brand is best?
Thanks!
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I'm not sure if there are still Samsung 43F4500 around,
I already saw the new 2014 models Samsung 43H4000 (the resolution is too low) and 43H4900 (I don't want/need 3D feature).
Is the Samsung 43H4500 already available here in the Philippines.
I saw in the their UK webpage that this is already available there.
I'm not sure what's the difference between the F4500 and H4500.
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Samsung reportedly ending plasma TV production
Following in the footsteps of Panasonic, Samsung says it will end
production of plasma display panels by November of this year.
By David Katzmaier, July 1, 2014
Samsung SDI has announced that it will shut down plasma panel production by November 30 of this year.
According to multiple reports, including Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-samsung-sdi-plasma-idUSKBN0F62W620140701), the firm said the reason for the shutdown was a decline in overall demand for plasma TVs. A company statement says it will concentrate resources on its energy and materials business.
http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-reportedly-ending-plasma-tv-production (http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-reportedly-ending-plasma-tv-production)/
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Samsung reportedly ending plasma TV production
Following in the footsteps of Panasonic, Samsung says it will end
production of plasma display panels by November of this year.
By David Katzmaier, July 1, 2014
Samsung SDI has announced that it will shut down plasma panel production by November 30 of this year.
According to multiple reports, including Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-samsung-sdi-plasma-idUSKBN0F62W620140701), the firm said the reason for the shutdown was a decline in overall demand for plasma TVs. A company statement says it will concentrate resources on its energy and materials business.
http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-reportedly-ending-plasma-tv-production (http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-reportedly-ending-plasma-tv-production)/
patay na talaga :(
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what about LG? will they be the sole-bearer of plasma technology come 2015?
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sayang naman walang plasma
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Samsung reportedly ending plasma TV production
Following in the footsteps of Panasonic, Samsung says it will end
production of plasma display panels by November of this year.
By David Katzmaier, July 1, 2014
Samsung SDI has announced that it will shut down plasma panel production by November 30 of this year.
According to multiple reports, including Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-samsung-sdi-plasma-idUSKBN0F62W620140701), the firm said the reason for the shutdown was a decline in overall demand for plasma TVs. A company statement says it will concentrate resources on its energy and materials business.
http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-reportedly-ending-plasma-tv-production (http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-reportedly-ending-plasma-tv-production)/
iyak na lang ako sa isang tabi. waaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
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People should finally decide on buying the 8500 before prices go up to $5K.
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Samsung reportedly ending plasma TV production
Following in the footsteps of Panasonic, Samsung says it will end
production of plasma display panels by November of this year.
By David Katzmaier, July 1, 2014
Samsung SDI has announced that it will shut down plasma panel production by November 30 of this year.
According to multiple reports, including Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-samsung-sdi-plasma-idUSKBN0F62W620140701), the firm said the reason for the shutdown was a decline in overall demand for plasma TVs. A company statement says it will concentrate resources on its energy and materials business.
http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-reportedly-ending-plasma-tv-production (http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-reportedly-ending-plasma-tv-production)/
Age of extinction na pala ang plasma. Dami magbebenta plasma sa marketplace kasali na ko. :o
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Age of extinction na pala ang plasma. Dami magbebenta plasma sa marketplace kasali na ko. :o
why???
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Sad if that's the case :(
Planning to buy Samsung plasma since sila na lang natira, pero ngayon mukhang wala na rin.
Kakainis, ang layo talaga ng picture quality between plasma and LED >:(
Sino pa ba gumagawa ng plasma?
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Sad if that's the case :(
Planning to buy Samsung plasma since sila na lang natira, pero ngayon mukhang wala na rin.
Kakainis, ang layo talaga ng picture quality between plasma and LED >:(
Sino pa ba gumagawa ng plasma?
LG
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Sad if that's the case :(
Planning to buy Samsung plasma since sila na lang natira, pero ngayon mukhang wala na rin.
Kakainis, ang layo talaga ng picture quality between plasma and LED >:(
Sino pa ba gumagawa ng plasma?
I'm looking for Samsung 51F8500 plasma. Wala na rin yata?
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I'm looking for Samsung 51F8500 plasma. Wala na rin yata?
check SM Appliance Center. I recall seeing one at either the MOA or the MegaMall branch. also try the big Anson's appliance in front of Landmark Makati.
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why???
If stop production ang plasma. Not future proof coz not supported na mga pyesa pag nasira sa future like my old pioneer prologic receiver walang makitang pyesa na i.c. :-\
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LG
Baka next to announce si LG. Sayang plasma if tuluyan mawala, same PQ sa nakasanayan crt na enhance pa coz hd resolution. Yoko sana palit brand/technology (plasma) lalu na nasanay mata ko ke panasonic kaya lang yoko ma-obselete sa kamay ko dead technology. Problem ko ngaun ala pang-upgrade to projector naghigpit auditor (misis) hehe:)
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check SM Appliance Center. I recall seeing one at either the MOA or the MegaMall branch. also try the big Anson's appliance in front of Landmark Makati.
sa MegaMall Sir naka sale
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If stop production ang plasma. Not future proof coz not supported na mga pyesa pag nasira sa future like my old pioneer prologic receiver walang makitang pyesa na i.c. :-\
big manufacturer's keep stock of parts to support their customers for several years after they EOL a product ... EOL is different from end of support life ... they can also offer alternatives, such as big discount on purchase of their newer platform ... in my opinion, it's actually time to get one right now before the stocks run out because PQ of plasma is way much better than LED/LCD - OLED may be better, but price at the moment is still very limiting
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sa MegaMall Sir naka sale
How much yung 51F8500 plasma sa Mega Mall? Thanks.
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check SM Appliance Center. I recall seeing one at either the MOA or the MegaMall branch. also try the big Anson's appliance in front of Landmark Makati.
sa MegaMall Sir naka sale
Thanks for the info!
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LG
I haven't seen any LG plasma lately, puro mga LEDs lang.. I've been to Robinson's Appliance, and SM Appliance stores.
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big manufacturer's keep stock of parts to support their customers for several years after they EOL a product ... EOL is different from end of support life ... they can also offer alternatives, such as big discount on purchase of their newer platform ... in my opinion, it's actually time to get one right now before the stocks run out because PQ of plasma is way much better than LED/LCD - OLED may be better, but price at the moment is still very limiting
Whew! ^-^ Nice to hear that, thanks po sir raptor. ;) sabagay baka ala pa 5-6 years nakapag-upgrade na din ko flatscreen (panasonic pa din sana). ::)
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I haven't seen any LG plasma lately, puro mga LEDs lang.. I've been to Robinson's Appliance, and SM Appliance stores.
sa Abensons meron. I recall seeing their 42" plasma selling for just 20k! :o
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big manufacturer's keep stock of parts to support their customers for several years after they EOL a product ... EOL is different from end of support life ... they can also offer alternatives, such as big discount on purchase of their newer platform ... in my opinion, it's actually time to get one right now before the stocks run out because PQ of plasma is way much better than LED/LCD - OLED may be better, but price at the moment is still very limiting
Aside from brand new parts stocked by the manufacturer for out-of-warranty service, common din yung pagrecycle ng valuable and reusable parts from returned/replaced units for in-warranty service kapag hindi na worthwhile i-refurbish yung returned unit. I'm not sure how efficient parts recycling is locally, pero sa developed countries big part yan ng waste reduction policy ng most makers (since they get slapped a big amount for dumping particular types of waste). Kaya minsan madali sa kanila mag-waive ng cost ng repair parts pag nagreklamo out of warranty kasi madami na ang naipon nila na recycled parts, dumadagdag lang sa storage issues. Yung labor naman usually ang costly sa kanila pagdating sa most CE item repairs.
Cradle-to-cradle ang focus nila, or closed loop material flow. Nakakatuwa yung mga innovations nila kasi even yung used packaging materials, consumables, defective components, etc. umiikot.
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sa Abensons meron. I recall seeing their 42" plasma selling for just 20k! :o
Hi DTNS, thanks for this.. sana may stock pa nga :)
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Thanks to DTNS and espionage, I just bought a Samsung 51F8500 at SM megamall, 60% off, at P51,960.
F is a 2013 series; H is a 2014 series. They only made low-end models for the H series. For the 8500, they did not make an H8500; they just carried over the F8500 to 2014.
Why no G series? Rumor has it that Samsung dislikes the letters L & G... ;D
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Wow, 60% off. I think that's a great deal that's similar to the previous 60k price of VT30 a few years back.
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Thanks to DTNS and espionage, I just bought a Samsung 51F8500 at SM megamall, 60% off, at P51,960.
F is a 2013 series; H is a 2014 series. They only made low-end models for the H series. For the 8500, they did not make an H8500; they just carried over the F8500 to 2014.
Why no G series? Rumor has it that Samsung dislikes the letters L & G... ;D
that's a nice price..sayang I have no need for a plasma TV :( 2 na Samsung plasma ko lol..E550 and F5000
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Thanks to DTNS and espionage, I just bought a Samsung 51F8500 at SM megamall, 60% off, at P51,960.
F is a 2013 series; H is a 2014 series. They only made low-end models for the H series. For the 8500, they did not make an H8500; they just carried over the F8500 to 2014.
Why no G series? Rumor has it that Samsung dislikes the letters L & G... ;D
Do you mean 60% off of P51,960? Or yun na yung discounted price?
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Do you mean 60% off of P51,960? Or yun na yung discounted price?
I think yan na po discounted price kasi yan ang flagship plasma ng samsung..
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Thanks to DTNS and espionage, I just bought a Samsung 51F8500 at SM megamall, 60% off, at P51,960.
F is a 2013 series; H is a 2014 series. They only made low-end models for the H series. For the 8500, they did not make an H8500; they just carried over the F8500 to 2014.
Why no G series? Rumor has it that Samsung dislikes the letters L & G... ;D
parang Panasonic sa number 4. malas daw, kaya walang X40, UT40, ST40, at VT40 series. ;)
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Thanks to DTNS and espionage, I just bought a Samsung 51F8500 at SM megamall, 60% off, at P51,960.
F is a 2013 series; H is a 2014 series. They only made low-end models for the H series. For the 8500, they did not make an H8500; they just carried over the F8500 to 2014.
Why no G series? Rumor has it that Samsung dislikes the letters L & G... ;D
Always a pleasure Sir, if only I have molah. Grabe ganda ng blacks nito and quality pictures talaga(IMO), walang binatbat yung nasa bottom na LED ata yun. Congrats Sir!
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Aside from brand new parts stocked by the manufacturer for out-of-warranty service, common din yung pagrecycle ng valuable and reusable parts from returned/replaced units for in-warranty service kapag hindi na worthwhile i-refurbish yung returned unit. I'm not sure how efficient parts recycling is locally, pero sa developed countries big part yan ng waste reduction policy ng most makers (since they get slapped a big amount for dumping particular types of waste). Kaya minsan madali sa kanila mag-waive ng cost ng repair parts pag nagreklamo out of warranty kasi madami na ang naipon nila na recycled parts, dumadagdag lang sa storage issues. Yung labor naman usually ang costly sa kanila pagdating sa most CE item repairs.
Cradle-to-cradle ang focus nila, or closed loop material flow. Nakakatuwa yung mga innovations nila kasi even yung used packaging materials, consumables, defective components, etc. umiikot.
Kaya lang mga sirs, nabili ko dati sa shang is panasonic ph9 (commercial/professional series) ang common is vierra (consumer series) baka iba spare parts sa vierra. Help naman po sa mga panasonic plasma fanboys. ;D
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Do you mean 60% off of P51,960? Or yun na yung discounted price?
Discounted price is P51,960.
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parang Panasonic sa number 4. malas daw, kaya walang X40, UT40, ST40, at VT40 series. ;)
East Asian culture ang tetraphobia (avoidance of instances of the number 4) in China, Japan, Korea and Vietnam, because their word for "4" sounds exactly like their word for "death."
Yung avoidance of L and G, hindi cultural; corporate chismis lang. Not an unlucky letter; speculation sa forums ay dahil daw may galit ang Samsung sa LG.
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Yung avoidance of L and G, hindi cultural; corporate chismis lang. Not an unlucky letter; speculation sa forums ay dahil daw may galit ang Samsung sa LG.
hahaha!
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Always a pleasure Sir, if only I have molah. Grabe ganda ng blacks nito and quality pictures talaga(IMO), walang binatbat yung nasa bottom na LED ata yun. Congrats Sir!
Sa Tuesday pa ang deliver sa akin sir.
It looked good on the showroom floor, which is unusual for a plasma. Lalong maganda siguro sa dark room.
Medyo nag-alangan lang ako kasi nag-squat ako below the TV and looked up to test the louvre filter, grabe pala ang vertical viewing angle limit nito, biglang umitim yung screen.
Anyway, cheap lang naman, hindi ko na lang inisip yung filter issue, binili ko na rin, baka magsisi pa ako pag hindi. Sana hindi maging issue ang vertical viewing angle sa HT room ko.
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Sa Tuesday pa ang deliver sa akin sir.
It looked good on the showroom floor, which is unusual for a plasma. Lalong maganda siguro sa dark room.
Medyo nag-alangan lang ako kasi nag-squat ako below the TV and looked up to test the louvre filter, grabe pala ang vertical viewing angle limit nito, biglang umitim yung screen.
Anyway, cheap lang naman, hindi ko na lang inisip yung filter issue, binili ko na rin, baka magsisi pa ako pag hindi. Sana hindi maging issue ang vertical viewing angle sa HT room ko.
congrats on your purchase sir, that was the model i was originally eying when it came out, but it was too expensive at that time
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Discounted price is P51,960.
congrats on your purchase, barrister! the 51F8500 is practically a steal at that price. :D
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Sir barrister congrats sa neq TV napakaganda nyan :)
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Kaya lang mga sirs, nabili ko dati sa shang is panasonic ph9 (commercial/professional series) ang common is vierra (consumer series) baka iba spare parts sa vierra. Help naman po sa mga panasonic plasma fanboys. ;D
Possible na iba ang spare parts sir, pero most likely higher endurance yang unit mo. Most commercial plasmas are designed for longer runtimes in brighter environments.
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congrats on your purchase sir, that was the model i was originally eying when it came out, but it was too expensive at that time
congrats on your purchase, barrister! the 51F8500 is practically a steal at that price. :D
Sir barrister congrats sa neq TV napakaganda nyan :)
Salamat mga sir!
Next TV ko OLED, pag mura na. In the meantime, hindi talaga ako masisiyahan sa LED, kaya plasma muna.
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i wish i could buy a new plasma tv, maski vt30 man lang na 60"-65" kung matalino panasonic, bukas ako kagad ng pabrika hehehe
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i wish i could buy a new plasma tv, maski vt30 man lang na 60"-65" kung matalino panasonic, bukas ako kagad ng pabrika hehehe
+1 oks P.Q. ng panasonic (or toshiba) kesa sony, samsung or lg imo, before i bought my panasonic 50ph9 sa shang andami ko pinuntahan appliances store. Sa skin ang priority ko and medyo lifelike sa kin pag kita mga pekas sa face kesa sobra kinis na parang computer animation. Pag order naman ng unit sa abroad hirap mag-sugal sa warranty. ;D
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Sa Tuesday pa ang deliver sa akin sir.
It looked good on the showroom floor, which is unusual for a plasma. Lalong maganda siguro sa dark room.
Medyo nag-alangan lang ako kasi nag-squat ako below the TV and looked up to test the louvre filter, grabe pala ang vertical viewing angle limit nito, biglang umitim yung screen.
Anyway, cheap lang naman, hindi ko na lang inisip yung filter issue, binili ko na rin, baka magsisi pa ako pag hindi. Sana hindi maging issue ang vertical viewing angle sa HT room ko.
Heartbroken ako yata sa presyo nabili mo sir barrister, i got mine last year for 85k..ouch. At that time this 51F8500 was so gorgeous in pumping out its HD images sa SM cebu A/V store and i just can't wait anymore longer so i have to grab it anyway. Watching "World from above" from discoveryHD channel makes me more appreciate a plasma panel.
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85K is still a great price for one of the world's best TVs.
And alam mo na walang defect yung TV mo sir. Yung akin hindi ko pa alam kung may dead pixel or other defect.
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BTW sir skooter, dalawa ba ang remote ng TV mo, or isa lang?
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I have always been a plasma fan. Sayang mawawala na ang technology. OLED na lang ang pag-asa kong makabili ng 60" ang up TV in the future
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85K is still a great price for one of the world's best TVs.
And alam mo na walang defect yung TV mo sir. Yung akin hindi ko pa alam kung may dead pixel or other defect.
Do they have more stocks of the 50f8500? How about the 64 inch, do they have it on sale too?
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No more stocks, whether 51 or 64.
I bought mine at SM Megamall, where they only had the 51 incher --- 1 new unit and 1 display unit.
After my purchase, they now have only the display unit. In case my unit is defective, they probably won't be able to give me a replacement unit. When I asked, they said they think they will be able to find other new units in other SM branches, but they don't think Samsung itself can provide any more new units.
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BTW sir skooter, dalawa ba ang remote ng TV mo, or isa lang?
dalawa po sir, yung candy bar type at saka yung weirdo type na remote. Up until now this tv never cease to amaze me sir, ang ganda talaga hehehe...
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Ay salamat. Sa amazon, yung iba isang smart touch lang daw, yung iba dalawang remote daw ang kasama.
I was worried that I would not be able to program my learning remote na infra red only, kung bluetooth remote lang ang included.
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congrats nga pala sa tv bro barrister!
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Ay salamat. Sa amazon, yung iba isang smart touch lang daw, yung iba dalawang remote daw ang kasama.
I was worried that I would not be able to program my learning remote na infra red only, kung bluetooth remote lang ang included.
another option sir is if you have a Samsung Android phone, it's actually better than the remote control included if you're subscribed to a supported cable tv vendor ... besides the standard controls, you also get cable programming on your phone
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Ay salamat. Sa amazon, yung iba isang smart touch lang daw, yung iba dalawang remote daw ang kasama.
I was worried that I would not be able to program my learning remote na infra red only, kung bluetooth remote lang ang included.
i hope your F8500 will be in alright condition after you finish set-up this coming tuesday. goodluck atty. :)
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congrats nga pala sa tv bro barrister!
Salamat bosing!
another option sir is if you have a Samsung Android phone, it's actually better than the remote control included if you're subscribed to a supported cable tv vendor ... besides the standard controls, you also get cable programming on your phone
I used to have the Samsung allshare app. Ayaw na gumana ngayon.
I tried reinstalling, pero wala na sa google play. It was the only phone app that has a touchpad for easy smart TV browser use. Mahirap gamitin ang TV remote ng 51E550 plasma ko for the mouse pointer. Nakakatamad na tuloy gamitin ang smart TV internet sa hirap gamitin.
Yes, the phone remote is much better, pero mas gusto ko pa rin yung regular clicker. Sa regular remote, pag memorized mo na ang buttons, puwedeng mag-remote nang walang tinginan sa remote. Pag naka touch screen remote, every time na pipindot ka ng remote, kailangan mong tignan yung remote.
Ang talagang preference ko, universal learning remote with regular buttons. One remote for all devices; control everything without taking your eyes off the TV.
Kaya hindi ko nagustuhan ang Logitech remotes. Pag regular buttons, up to around 4 devices lang ang capacity. Pag maraming devices ang capacity, touch screen na. My remote is a Philips learning remote, 8 devices capacity, regular buttons lang, no touch screen.
i hope your F8500 will be in alright condition after you finish set-up this coming tuesday. goodluck atty. :)
Thanks! Balitaan kita sir. Pag pumalpak ito, sakit ng ulo ang replacement... fingers crossed.
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Took the chance last Sunday and went to the nearest SM Appliance to ask if they have the 51F8500 on hand. Syempre ang sagot nila wala kasi last year's model pa daw yun. So I asked if there are stocks elsewhere. Luckily, there was one in a store far from where we were. Apparently, they can can check stock availability in other stores in real time (or at least a day behind lang).
Apparently, the SRP was P130,000. Thus at P51,960 the discount is a staggering P78,040. Needless to say, I'm getting mine delivered for free this Friday together with a free Samsung Wireless Keyboard VGKBD1000 worth approximately around P4,500.00.
Originally, I was looking at getting the 4K of LG (UB850T) but this plasma panel is simply too much to refuse especially at this price. Besides, all of my panels are plasmas and probably, I just got my one ever.
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Ayus! Congrats sir.
Deep discount, kasi ang alam ng marketing sa Philippines, nobody will want this model, bigay na natin nang mura. :)
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Ayus! Congrats sir.
Deep discount, kasi ang alam ng marketing sa Philippines, nobody will want this model, bigay na natin nang mura. :)
Maka-last hurrah man lang sa plasma before the LED wave wipes me out completely. Congrats sa atin dalawa. To those who are also interested, no harm visiting your nearest SM Appliance Center and ask. Malay nyo, meron pa.
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@all
how does a Panasonic 42X50's power consumption compare to a china 50" LED tv? is it close or well above the led?
both of their prices hover at around 25k now. ::) :P
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@all
how does a Panasonic 42X50's power consumption compare to a china 50" LED tv? is it close or well above the led?
both of their prices hover at around 25k now. ::) :P
The 50" LED would likely consume less power; whether you'd notice it or not is another matter. Basing on Panasonic's own numbers, their 50" LEDs consume less than half the power of the 42x50.
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In case you can't stand the vertical viewing angle, please sell the unit to me. Serious offer.
Yours is probably the sweetest deal for an 8500 worldwide. You can't even buy that model for less than $1,797 in the US. Enjoy! (or hopefully you like watching TV too closely at a steep vertical angle then I get the chance to grab it? hehehe)
It looked good on the showroom floor, which is unusual for a plasma. Lalong maganda siguro sa dark room.
Medyo nag-alangan lang ako kasi nag-squat ako below the TV and looked up to test the louvre filter, grabe pala ang vertical viewing angle limit nito, biglang umitim yung screen.
Anyway, cheap lang naman, hindi ko na lang inisip yung filter issue, binili ko na rin, baka magsisi pa ako pag hindi. Sana hindi maging issue ang vertical viewing angle sa HT room ko.
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Guys, i went to my nearest TV store (london drugs) and they have the 55" VT60 on display. The salesman told me its for sale for only $1499 but he can lower it a bit more down to $1399. He said I will still get Panasonic's 1-year warranty and the TV still has everything included with it.
Didn't get the chance to ask him how long the TV's on for display but since its a '13 model, im guessing 1 year give or take a few months.
Is it still a good buy? Brand-new ones (if I can still find them) retails at $2500.
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Good buy na yan!
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Bad news, guys. SM gave me a demo unit.
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Bad news, guys. SM gave me a demo unit.
Paano mo nalaman? Sa burn hours ba?
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Yikes!
By the way, how would you determine burn hours? Thanks
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Bad news, guys. SM gave me a demo unit.
bad news nga, was that the agreement hence the huge discount?
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Paano mo nalaman? Sa burn hours ba?
Hindi ko pa alam ang hours.
Pero kitang-kita. Halatang na wall-mount, may marka kasi sa likod, may minor scratch sa frame, malagkit ang screen , may dust sa hard-to-reach areas, no scratch-guard frame stickers pero may maliit na round SM sticker sa gilid, may screen burn (or maybe serious IR) ng Samsung logos on left and right edges of the screen.
bad news nga, was that the agreement hence the huge discount?
Hindi sir. Nilinaw ko sa salesman, ayoko ng display unit, gusto ko new unit and closed-box. Tinignan nila kung may stock. Meron daw. Brand-new and closed-box? Oo daw.
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Will they give you a new (brand new) replacement?
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im sure gusto din nila palitan yan, ang problema kung wala na ipapalit.
pag nag compromise sila bro na 30k nalang yan display unit, you think good buy parin? :)
ako kasi kung di nila bigyan ng mas malaking discount or mapalitan ng bago unit, at sabihin na store credits lang baka magalit lang ako
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Will they give you a new (brand new) replacement?
I'll ask tomorrow.
But I'm not worried about SM, I'm sure they would. Napakayaman ng SM, kahit refund, barya lang nila yun.
The problem is, I don't think they can give me a new unit even if they wanted to. Finding one might be difficult. We'll see.
Boring tuloy ang discussion. Imbis na plasma tech, return or refund lang ang kuwentuhan. :P
im sure gusto din nila palitan yan, ang problema kung wala na ipapalit.
pag nag compromise sila bro na 30k nalang yan display unit, you think good buy parin? :)
ako kasi kung di nila bigyan ng mas malaking discount or mapalitan ng bago unit, at sabihin na store credits lang baka magalit lang ako
May serious image retention. It's no good for me kahit libre. Kahit nga ako pa bayaran, ayoko pa rin... :D
Gusto ko talaga brand new so I can do a 100 hour break in myself.
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I'll ask tomorrow.
But I'm not worried about SM, I'm sure they would. Napakayaman ng SM, kahit refund, barya lang nila yun.
The problem is, I don't think they can give me a new unit even if they wanted to. Finding one might be difficult. We'll see.
Boring tuloy ang discussion. Imbis na plasma tech, return or refund lang ang kuwentuhan. :P
May serious image retention. It's no good for me kahit libre. Kahit nga ako pa bayaran, ayoko pa rin... :D
Gusto ko talaga brand new so I can do a 100 hour break in myself.
correct bro, at lahat kami excited ;D
pareho pala tayo, pero sakin dahil OC ako. di ako masaya masyado pag di amoy brand new
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Good buy na yan!
Feeling ko nga eh! :)
Sa ibang store kasi, meron sila display model din pero 60" naman na VT60.
Kaso $3600 with 4-year warranty daw and complete accessories pati box.
Very tempting na talaga yung $1499 na 55" :)
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Nakaka enganyo mag upgrade hehe. Malaki ba difference ng 51F8500 at 51F5000? Night and day? Salamat.
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subscribing to about sir barrister's 51F8500, sana they will give you a brand new unit, killjoy talaga pag hindi matuloy.
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Whats the latest from SM, Sir Barrister?
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I'll ask tomorrow.
But I'm not worried about SM, I'm sure they would. Napakayaman ng SM, kahit refund, barya lang nila yun.
The problem is, I don't think they can give me a new unit even if they wanted to. Finding one might be difficult. We'll see.
By any chance were you at Megamall this afternoon? :) Someone was inquiring about the 51F8500. Didn't really hear what was being said.
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By any chance were you at Megamall this afternoon? :) Someone was inquiring about the 51F8500. Didn't really hear what was being said.
Kung inquiring lang, hindi ako yon.
Kung complaining, ako na nga yon. :D
Whats the latest from SM, Sir Barrister?
Wala na raw new stock.
Meron ba kahit 51F5500? Meron daw demo unit, pero bagong install naman daw sa store, baka ok na? No, ayoko talaga ng demo unit, kasi gusto ko, ako ang mag break in. Pinaandar n'yo na using vivid mode, hindi na puwede yon.
Ok daw ang refund.
A technician will go to my address to confirm that it really is a demo unit. He gives me a written report, I take the report to SM Mega to start the refund processing. Refund approval and release (by credit card reversal entry) will take less than a month.
It looks like the in-store staff was in good faith. I mean they really did not know that it was a demo unit that they gave me. But I'm sure the warehouse guys knew.
subscribing to about sir barrister's 51F8500, sana they will give you a brand new unit, killjoy talaga pag hindi matuloy.
Wala naman sanang problema sa SM kung palit brand new unit. Problema lang, wala na talagang available.
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Oh man. Like a baby given a lollipop and then immediately grabbed away. :) Ansons has them but not at the 60% discount SM gives them away.
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all along i understand that it was a brand new unit that is being deal in the 1st place, yikes hindi pala. :(
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btw as i tsk yesterday here in ayala cebu (samsung concept store) the 51F8500's retail price is 90k nag increase kahit phase-out na.
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Ngayon lang yata nabalitaan ang phase-out. Hindi kasi nagbabasa ng pdvd. ;)
correct bro, at lahat kami excited ;D
pareho pala tayo, pero sakin dahil OC ako. di ako masaya masyado pag di amoy brand new
Oo nga. Pag hindi brand new, iba...
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Ngayon lang yata nabalitaan ang phase-out. Hindi kasi nagbabasa ng pdvd. ;)
Oo nga. Pag hindi brand new, iba...
i think they can still pull out a unit from samsung, sabi nga ni skooter, meron pa daw sa concept store. baka mapilit pa ;D
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Wala na talaga sa Samsung Philippines.
AFAIK, concept stores are not Samsung-owned. Third party owned din yan na licensed store lang ng Samsung.
Parang apple stores na mga hindi naman pa apple-owned. Yung Sennheiser nga sa V-Mall Greenhills, walang kuwenta, third party owned lang, kulang-kulang ang inventory, talong talo ng Egghead.
Anyway, may kausap na ako na ibang retailer. Kinuwento ko yung SM Mega incident, so he assured me his unit is brand new. Na naman? ;D We'll see. COD bayad ko this time.
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At the same price? ;D
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Nanakawan ang Samsung sa Brazil.
http://mashable.com/2014/07/08/brazil-samsung-heist-36-million/
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At the same price? ;D
80k. Post na lang ako pag ok na talaga. Ayoko na magkuwento, baka mintis na naman... :P
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Reasonable pa rin yung price. Kahit bilhin sa US ng approx. $1,800, I think additional $300 at least para madala yung unit sa Manila - and hopefully it gets there without any damage. Anyway, good luck this time and let us know.
Although, pinag-iisip ako ng display unit na 51K. hehe.
80k. Post na lang ako pag ok na talaga. Ayoko na magkuwento, baka mintis na naman... :P
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Have you inspected the unit well? Kung price alone, it's seems enticing indeed. Napansin ko lang sa US retail stores, ginugulpi nila yung display unit (sabagay, normally walang pakialam yung staff when they handle and assemble the units for display) tapos hindi man lang nililinis ng maayos before ibenta. BUT, I would still check the unit thoroughly if I were you.
...Very tempting na talaga yung $1499 na 55" :)
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Is it still worthwhile to buy plasma now even if it's phased out already? Magiging disposable na sya if it conks out?
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Well you still have a two year warranty for that.
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There should be some risks for sure because local service centers would have to import parts from Japan or Korea or Singapore in order to do repairs. Parts should be available outside the Phils for sure - at least 5 years from now I think. Kaso how much would it cost after warranty expires. Might be a good idea to get extended maker's warranty if the cost is reasonable. Kung masira man Plasma, I think Panasonic or Samsung would provide you a replacement LED instead.
Is it still worthwhile to buy plasma now even if it's phased out already? Magiging disposable na sya if it conks out?
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Is it still worthwhile to buy plasma now even if it's phased out already? Magiging disposable na sya if it conks out?
Sa Philippines, halos pareho rin.
Madalas akong makabasa sa Samsung threads, medyo bago pa yung LED TV, wala na agad makuhang parts ang Sammy Phils., offer na lang sila ng new model replacement, but you have to pay an additional amount. Ewan ko lang kung wala talagang ma-import na parts, o wala lang parts on hand at tinatamad mag import.
Kung nawawalan ng parts ang TV na hindi phased out, mawalan man ng parts ang TV na phased out, pareho rin pala ang mangyayari ke phased out man o hindi.
Kung masira man Plasma, I think Panasonic or Samsung would provide you a replacement LED instead.
Tama. Mauuwi ka rin sa LED pag unrepairable ang plasma. Pero at least lumigaya ka naman habang hindi nasisira ang plasma, imbis na sumula't sapol ay nagtiyaga ka na sa LED. ;)
Reasonable pa rin yung price. Kahit bilhin sa US ng approx. $1,800, I think additional $300 at least para madala yung unit sa Manila - and hopefully it gets there without any damage. Anyway, good luck this time and let us know.
Yes, ok pa rin ang price. Hindi ako mahilig sa US imports, iniiwasan ko ang 120 volts, so out of the question sa akin ang imports.
Ngayong wala nang plasma, ayos din kahit medyo mahal.
Sa mga mahilig sa large plasmas, may Panny 64VT60 sa Listening Megamall (not displayed), US import labeled as 120 volts, but actually multi volt, P190k.
Medyo kinikilabutan ako sa presyo, pero ok na rin siguro kasi wala ka na talagang makukuhang ganong kagandang TV.
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80k. Post na lang ako pag ok na talaga. Ayoko na magkuwento, baka mintis na naman... :P
for sure brand new talaga yan, 80k is much more realistic for a premium TV like these and there should be 2yrs. warranty too.
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I never thought of it that way. Iniisip ko, mura kasi walang buyer.
Tama, parang totoo na nga ito ...
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I had the chance to check this model in 51 and 64 inch sizes at Ansons Ayala a while ago. It really is an awesome plasma tv. Picture quality is crisp with very accurate colors. Saw it side by side with the 60F5500 and you can just see the difference. 60F5500 pixels are visible at about 3-4 feet from the display. The F8500s are just smooth as silk!
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Another thing to note is that the louvre filter thingy that barrister was explaining was very obvious. The 51 inch was put in a pedestal that was about 18inches from the ground and getting close to it looking down made the picture unviewable.
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Kung masira man Plasma, I think Panasonic or Samsung would provide you a replacement LED instead.
I just dunno if they would do that here in PI. In terms of price per screen size, plasma is the more practical choice. Baka biglang sabihin ng distributer when you claim warranty "kaya namin binenta ng mura yung plasma kasi phased out models na. Bili ka nalang ng LED"
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Here's an opportunity to discuss plasma tech rather than plasma marketing:
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I had the chance to check this model in 51 and 64 inch sizes at Ansons Ayala a while ago. It really is an awesome plasma tv. Picture quality is crisp with very accurate colors. Saw it side by side with the 60F5500 and you can just see the difference. 60F5500 pixels are visible at about 3-4 feet from the display. The F8500s are just smooth as silk!
60F5500 is not 1080p. The Samsung plasma line is unique because the 60 inchers are usually PenTile screens rather than 1080p screens.
Here's my old old post on Sammy PenTile plasma panels:
For panel sizes larger than 50", you'd think that resolutions have nowhere to go but up. ... Not.
Surpisingly, in 2012 Samsung came up with two 60 inch plasmas that are not Full HD --- the 60 inch PenTile panels of the 60E550 and 60E530. It's more power-efficient, but expectedly produces an inferior picture. What's more puzzling is that Samsung won't even tell us what the resolution is. All they're saying is that it "reproduces FHD-like experience." :P
http://ramsaysmarthomes.ca/info/Samsung%202012%20Panel%20Chart.pdf (http://ramsaysmarthomes.ca/info/Samsung%202012%20Panel%20Chart.pdf)
The footnote reads: *Samsung’s Pentile Panel reproduces FHD-like experience utilizing sub-pixel rendering technology, making it 40% energy efficient over last year’s 59” comparable model.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family)
For 2014, Sammy made a 64 inch PenTile plasma (not yet available in the Phils.):
Samsung PN64H5000 (USA) Plasma TV Review
By David Mackenzie 14 March 2014 Verdict: Recommended
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/US/Samsung-PN64H5000/product.jpg)
... Overall, we think the Samsung PN64H5000 is going to put smiles on the faces of self-emissive display fans, at a time where there’s precious little other good news (Samsung seems to have one foot out of bed with OLED at the moment, and we don’t have to remind anyone about Panasonic’s recent decision).
The “elephant in the room” is the pentile subpixel layout, which observant users might find to be an acquired taste at this screen size.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/pn64h5000-201403143657.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/pn64h5000-201403143657.htm)
But still, PenTile aside, they do say the F8500 really is very sharp, even on a 1080p vs 1080p comparison.
On avsforum, when they compare the F8500 with the ZT60, they say the F8500 is sharper. Not necessarily a good thing, depending on how you look at it.
The negative side of the Sammy's sharpness, they say, is a more digital-looking picture than Panny. The positive side of Panny's less-sharp picture is an analog look --- that is to say, a more natural-looking pic.
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Another thing to note is that the louvre filter thingy that barrister was explaining was very obvious. The 51 inch was put in a pedestal that was about 18inches from the ground and getting close to it looking down made the picture unviewable.
On my demo unit, the louvre filter darkening does not appear from normal viewing distances, because the vertical angle of view does not become large enough from a normal viewing distance.
But when you are about 2 feet from the screen, it's easy to view the screen with a big vertical viewing angle, maybe around 40 degrees or more, causing severe darkening of the screen.
This will not be an issue for regular-distance viewing, but it will be an issue for kids who like to sit on the floor and up close to the screen.
This is not unique to Samsung. Panny plasmas also had louvre filters, starting with the ST model up to the ZT model.
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good luck atty barrister.. naiirita ako in a way kasi nga nabigyan ka ng demo unit.. buti nalang hindi ka nila binigyan ng sakit sa ulo sa process ng return/refund.. may kinalaman kaya na dahil atty ka?
anyways.. kung meron lang talanga 75in and above na plasma na high end.. pero kapresyo ng LED.. yan ang kukunin ko....
sad to say.... wala akong makita..
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Hindi nila alam, wala akong sinabi na atty ako.
I just presented my position very clearly. Hindi na kailangan ng takutan, mababait naman ang staff.
Kung yung nagbenta sa akin ay parang may naka-ready agad na sagot na pangontra, medyo magdududa ako. Pero sa tingin ko parang napahiya pa nga sa nangyari. Yung boss niya, very accommodating and ready to listen.
I just made sure my presentation would clearly show my basis for saying that the TV was a demo unit. I saved my best argument for last --- my TV had a round, yellow "SM" sticker on the right edge --- a sticker that they attach on the right edge of all demo units. Nagtinginan yung dalawang kausuap ko... sabi nung isa, "demo nga..." :D
Wala ngang 75 inches. Pero nag research ako sa Samsung F8500, mas trouble-free ang 51. Pag 60 and 64, may mga problema. Palagay ko, kung may 75, mas lalong maraming problema.
The way I see it, if you want a screen bigger than 60", you need a front projector.
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If your TV is still under maker's warranty, they would likely make you that offer if they don't want to go through the hassles of repair. In case of Panasonic, I think meron talagang spare parts kung level ng ST to VT series. Samsung ang parang hindi type mag-maintain ng parts inventory because its costly and, they have toooooo many models, although the 8500 is pretty unique.
Like barrister posted, you get to enjoy the Plasma first (hopefully for a reasonably long time) before you're forced to get an LED.
I just dunno if they would do that here in PI. In terms of price per screen size, plasma is the more practical choice. Baka biglang sabihin ng distributer when you claim warranty "kaya namin binenta ng mura yung plasma kasi phased out models na. Bili ka nalang ng LED"
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Bad news, guys. SM gave me a demo unit.
ouch yan sir! im sure very excited ka na. i hope the new one wil arrive very soon. ;)
Ako same day ng delivery ng TV ko yung delivery ng first baby namen, so same sila ng birthdate. No one was home to receive the delivery, iniwan ko wife ko at si baby sa hospital para lang ireceive yung TV ko hahaha, mas excited pa daw ako sa TV.
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Just bought a Samsung 43F4500 in SM appliance in Greenhills. 32900 less 50% off.
Although will pick the unit by end of AUgust pa since hindi pa tapos renovation ng condo unit where I plan to install/wall mount the TV.
Can anyone send me the link on where I can test or know if the unit is a demo unit, and to check for dead pixels?
I read it somewhere although I can't remember the thread.
Thanks in advance.
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Dumating na yung Samsung technician.
Findings:
- Physical condition --- with scratches, dust, masking tape and double tape marks, and an "SM" sticker on the unit.
- The technician accessed the service menu. Service hours = 2,920 hours.
- I showed him a white slide on-screen. Finding: "with screen burn mark."
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Dumating na yung Samsung technician.
Findings:
- Physical condition --- with scratches, dust, masking tape and double tape marks, and an "SM" sticker on the unit.
- The technician accessed the service menu. Service hours = 2,920 hours.
- I showed him a white slide on-screen. Finding: "with screen burn mark."
iyong Service Hours ilan dapat bago mo masabi na demo unit nga?
dapat ba zero para masabing brand new iyong stock?
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Dumating na yung Samsung technician.
Findings:
- Physical condition --- with scratches, dust, masking tape and double tape marks, and an "SM" sticker on the unit.
- The technician accessed the service menu. Service hours = 2,920 hours.
- I showed him a white slide on-screen. Finding: "with screen burn mark."
Sorry for your experience. Dapat talaga palitan yan ng bago.
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Sorry for your experience. Dapat talaga palitan yan ng bago.
Tama. Siguradong display unit. Walang stock ang SM, kaya refund ang agreement namin. Ang rule nila sa replacement, dapat replace with SM's stock on hand.
iyong Service Hours ilan dapat bago mo masabi na demo unit nga?
dapat ba zero para masabing brand new iyong stock?
Hindi naman kailangang zero. Puwedeng na test sa factory, hindi na zero yon, pero ok na rin kung konting hours lang.
Wala namang rule kung ilang hours dapat.
But in my case, 2,920 hours divided by 24 hours, 121 days yon. 6 days pa lang sa akin ang unit. Sobrang dami ng service hours para masabi mong factory testing lang.
Besides, may maliit na round yellow sticker ng SM sa gilid. Sa demo unit lang nilalagay ng SM yon. Malinaw na display unit talaga.
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Surely demo unit nga yun. But then, the way I look at it, 121 pa lang days nagamit based sa number of hours, and yet, marami nang problema, especially yung burn mark. Baka naman maski new unit yun, magkakaroon din ng problem within a few months. It could be a batch or model problem.
Glad you got a refund so you can look for a better TV model.
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Just bought a Samsung 43F4500 in SM appliance in Greenhills. 32900 less 50% off.
Although will pick the unit by end of AUgust pa since hindi pa tapos renovation ng condo unit where I plan to install/wall mount the TV.
Can anyone send me the link on where I can test or know if the unit is a demo unit, and to check for dead pixels?
I read it somewhere although I can't remember the thread.
Thanks in advance.
Try the Evangelos plasma break-in DVD (free):
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm (http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm)
Or the AVS HD 709 calibration patterns (free):
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html)
A real dead pixel tester is DPB (Dead Pixel Buddy, also freeware), but you'll need a laptop, since it's a Windows app (executable file) :
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Benchmarks/Dead-Pixel-Buddy.shtml (http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Benchmarks/Dead-Pixel-Buddy.shtml)
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Surely demo unit nga yun. But then, the way I look at it, 121 pa lang days nagamit based sa number of hours, and yet, marami nang problema, especially yung burn mark. Baka naman maski new unit yun, magkakaroon din ng problem within a few months. It could be a batch or model problem.
Glad you got a refund so you can look for a better TV model.
Hindi siguro batch problem, nagulpi lang sa demo use ng SM.
121 days nga lang, pero hindi normal use yon.
That was vivid mode (actually shop mode) from the time SM opens in the morning until it closes at night, every day for about 1 year (2,920 hours divided by 10 hours a day = 292 days), with Samsung logos non-stop on both sides of the screen.
Yung Samsung logos ang nag image burn (or maybe serious long-term IR).
Meron na kong kausap, new unit talaga. Unit was stocked on the store premises. Pinakita sa akin, tunay na sealed box, with only one layer of clear tape on top (walang patong na 2nd clear tape for resealing). Binuksan, bago talaga. I took a picture of the serial number at the back panel of the unit, to verify upon delivery if I got the same unit.
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I hope that your new unit will not have any problems. I've been using my plasma (different brand) for over 3 years now. Awa ng Diyos, wala naman problema.
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whispers to atty barrister... "(oled, oled oled oled.... oled... oled...!!)"
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Try the Evangelos plasma break-in DVD (free):
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm (http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm)
Or the AVS HD 709 calibration patterns (free):
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html)
A real dead pixel tester is DPB (Dead Pixel Buddy, also freeware), but you'll need a laptop, since it's a Windows app (executable file) :
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Benchmarks/Dead-Pixel-Buddy.shtml (http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Benchmarks/Dead-Pixel-Buddy.shtml)
Thank you Barrister for the link :)
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whispers to atty barrister... "(oled, oled oled oled.... oled... oled...!!)"
:D Kung puwede lang sana... Pero hindi puwede for 2 reasons:
1. I can't afford it - Too expensive, yet your money does not go to the TV itself. A big chunk of the selling price covers manufacturing wastage, since about 70% of manufactured panels are defective and have to be thrown away.
2. Still with serious technical problems - Prone to burn-in and/or IR; prone to dead pixels; nobody knows how long the blue pixel life will last; sample-and-hold drive method causes LCD-like motion blur; off-axis viewing causes color shift to yellow.
Plasma pa rin ang best flat panel tech sa ngayon. Pero kayang-kayang talunin ng OLED yan. Ang problema lang ay kailan pa kaya?
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Atty, easily accessible ba yung menu to check the usage hours?
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Madali lang. May dala siyang maliit na Samsung remote, press access code. Service menu ang binuksan niya. Hindi ko inalam ang service menu code, delikado kasi yon.
Ang safe ay hindi service menu, yung limited access lang, called MRT ("Mains Running Time"). Hindi ko pa na try, pero ang alam ko ay: Mute-7-3-7-Enter.
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Thanks much!
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Tama. Siguradong display unit. Walang stock ang SM, kaya refund ang agreement namin. Ang rule nila sa replacement, dapat replace with SM's stock on hand.
Hindi naman kailangang zero. Puwedeng na test sa factory, hindi na zero yon, pero ok na rin kung konting hours lang.
Wala namang rule kung ilang hours dapat.
But in my case, 2,920 hours divided by 24 hours, 121 days yon. 6 days pa lang sa akin ang unit. Sobrang dami ng service hours para masabi mong factory testing lang.
Besides, may maliit na round yellow sticker ng SM sa gilid. Sa demo unit lang nilalagay ng SM yon. Malinaw na display unit talaga.
walang duda sir na demo nga yan, after reading this, I checked my Samsung 51f5000 ... Sept. 2013 ko nabili, nasa 1,400+ pa lang usaga hours
@revskie, madali lang check - while on standby, press Info > Menu > Mute > Power ... note that in sequence lang pag-press, hindi sabay-sabay ... go to "SVC" and the usage hours will be displayed ... warning not to change anything on any of the menus as it may brick the tv according to the forum that i read
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Madali lang. May dala siyang maliit na Samsung remote, press access code. Service menu ang binuksan niya. Hindi ko inalam ang service menu code, delikado kasi yon.
Ang safe ay hindi service menu, yung limited access lang, called MRT ("Mains Running Time"). Hindi ko pa na try, pero ang alam ko ay: Mute-7-3-7-Enter.
Hello Barrister,
I can use the remote the unit to do this? Mute 7-3-7-Enter? this is a safer check, compared to what RAPTOR proposed down below this thread? since you've mentioned it is dangerous going in the service menu
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Just sharing, I was able to check my plasma's MRT as per Barristers instructions using my Harmony remote (mute, 7, 3, 7, enter).
I was also able to access the service menu but be careful, my calibrated picture settings was reset to factory settings afterwards.
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Hello Barrister,
I can use the remote the unit to do this? Mute 7-3-7-Enter? this is a safer check, compared to what RAPTOR proposed down below this thread? since you've mentioned it is dangerous going in the service menu
Yes, you use the remote to do it. That is not a service menu, so it's safe.
Yes, it dangerous to access the service menu. A wrong entry can cause problems that even a Sammy tech will not be able to solve.
I once read on a US forum about a Panasonic plasma owner, accessed the service menu, checked service hours but did not change anything, exited the service menu, found the picture was now messed up, was never able to fix the messed up picture.
After reading about that horror story, I didn't want to know about any service menu codes anymore... :(
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atty,
mabibigyan ka pa ba nila ng plasma? or nirefund nalang?
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Yes, you use the remote to do it. That is not a service menu, so it's safe.
Yes, it dangerous to access the service menu. A wrong entry can cause problems that even a Sammy tech will not be able to solve.
Thanks again Barrister for this tip :)
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atty,
mabibigyan ka pa ba nila ng plasma? or nirefund nalang?
Refund.
Ang policy ng SM ay stocks on hand at any SM branch lang ang puwedeng ibigay. Walang new, closed-box Sammy F8500, as expected.
Nag-offer sila ng 51F5500 (plasma Full HD 3D Smart, 2013) pero demo unit din. Bagong install lang daw, baka ok na rin. Wag na lang, kasi gusto ko brand-new closed box, hindi yung pinaandar na sa dynamic mode.
Baka daw gusto ko ng Panasonic plasma? No, siguradong 720p yon, kasi 720p lang ang mga last Panny plasma sa Philippines. At puro open box sigurado yon, kasi matagal nang phase out ang Panny plasma.
So, pumayag din sa refund.
Stressful pala mag TV shopping... :P
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Bro, I have confirmed with SM that they have a display 64F8500 at SM Cebu registering 1626 in MRT reading. P104K. :)
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Ayos siguro yan.
Wala namang problema kung lilinawin agad nila na display model.
Dala ka ng test pattern slides on USB flash drive, play on the TV's built-in player and check for dead pixels and image burn/IR.
Ako naman, may delivery sa akin on Monday, 51F8500, new, closed-box, P72,199.
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Ano ba mean time before failure rate ng plasma in hours? Medyo mataas na din yung 1626hrs.
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Walang available stats, but my estimate is around 15,000 hours.
Newer plasma panels have a half-life of 100,000 hours. That's more than 30 years of normal use.
However, people forget that 100,000 hours is the half-life of only the panel, not the the entire TV itself. May mga board na masisira diyan, around 5 years siguro, ok na. Pag sinusuwerte, 8 years or more na, ok pa rin ang TV.
Ang mga technician, usually hindi naman talaga alam ang sira, mga board-swappers lang. Palit ng x-sustain board, sira pa rin. Palit ng y-sustain board, sira pa rin. Palit ng T-con, wala pa rin. Palit ng power supply, wala pa rin. "Sir, hindi na puwedeng ma-repair..." Board swapper lang pala, ala-chamba... :D
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Ayos siguro yan.
Wala namang problema kung lilinawin agad nila na display model.
Dala ka ng test pattern slides on USB flash drive, play on the TV's built-in player and check for dead pixels and image burn/IR.
Ako naman, may delivery sa akin on Monday, 51F8500, new, closed-box, P72,199.
nice to hear sir at last brand new na talaga and very nice deal too, dito sa cebu nag increase 90k, hahaha....dark knight rises at saka prometheus(2d) in bluray very gorgeous on this TV i like those shadow details sa mga dalawa nayan.
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Mura! Assuming OK ang condition.
Bro, I have confirmed with SM that they have a display 64F8500 at SM Cebu registering 1626 in MRT reading. P104K. :)
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check SM Appliance Center. I recall seeing one at either the MOA or the MegaMall branch. also try the big Anson's appliance in front of Landmark Makati.
Thanks to sir DTNS, sa Anson's Makati ako nakabili.
Samsung plasma 51F8500, brand new, closed-box, 8 hours MRT.
P72,199 cash, COD, with free Samsung Blu-ray 3D HTiB, also new and closed-box. Value of the free HTiB cannot be deducted from the price.
Baka may idea kayo ng price ng Samsung HT-H5530HK, gusto ko kasi ibenta.
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mp3-audio-video/home-theatre/home-theatre-systems/HT-H5530HK/XM (http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mp3-audio-video/home-theatre/home-theatre-systems/HT-H5530HK/XM)
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Here's my F8500 thread: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,193229.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,193229.0.html)
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good news!..
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Thanks to sir DTNS, sa Anson's Makati ako nakabili.
Samsung plasma 51F8500, brand new, closed-box, 8 hours MRT.
Congrats sir!
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Congrats sir!
good news!..
Salamat, mga brader!
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Ngayon ko lang nalaman, aside from LG, meron pa palang isang plasma manufacturer --- Changhong.
Not 100% sure, but I hear the plasma panel is not just an LG OEM; it's really made by Changhong itself.
http://changhong.com.au/products/television/all/c4000-60/ (http://changhong.com.au/products/television/all/c4000-60/)
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Salamat, mga brader!
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Ngayon ko lang nalaman, aside from LG, meron pa palang isang plasma manufacturer --- Changhong.
Not 100% sure, but I hear the plasma panel is not just an LG OEM; it's really made by Changhong itself.
http://changhong.com.au/products/television/all/c4000-60/ (http://changhong.com.au/products/television/all/c4000-60/)
speaking of LG plasma, parang di nag-click dito sa atin sa PDVD ... di ba maganda quality?
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speaking of LG plasma, parang di nag-click dito sa atin sa PDVD ... di ba maganda quality?
LG's plasma tvs sold locally are mostly entry-level models. I've seen some of them and I think they have better PQ than Samsung's entry-level plasmas.
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speaking of LG plasma, parang di nag-click dito sa atin sa PDVD ... di ba maganda quality?
Hindi magaling ang quality.
Noong may Pioneer plasma pa, The best was Pioneer, followed by Panasonic, LG and Samsung.
Samsung plasma was the worst at the time, with common burn-in problems. Then Samsung drastically improved with the D series plasma of 2011.
By that time, wala nang Pioneer. Panny, Sammy and LG na lang, with LG being the worst plasma manufacturer.
In 2011, ang discussions sa pinoydvd ay puro Panny plasma; konti lang ang Sammy plasma discussions. Not surprising, since Panny was the best. LG plasma, bihira lang ang discussions.
May isang LG plasma na may mahabang thread dito, circa 2011 discussions - yung LG PK550 50" Plasma:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,122262.330.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,122262.330.html)
Interesado rin sana ako, pero after some research, nalaman ko na may problema pala sa color shifting. Hindi ko na pinansin ang LG plasmas mula noon:
(http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatvpics/reviews/lg-pk550/IMG_5609.jpg)
A white house in Risky Business shows how color can be introduced
in various ways with a TV that contains a color shift problem.
http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/lg-plasma-tv/lg-50pk550.html (http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/lg-plasma-tv/lg-50pk550.html)
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Hindi magaling ang quality.
Noong may Pioneer plasma pa, The best was Pioneer, followed by Panasonic, LG and Samsung.
Samsung plasma was the worst at the time, with common burn-in problems. Then Samsung drastically improved with the D series plasma of 2011.
By that time, wala nang Pioneer. Panny, Sammy and LG na lang, with LG being the worst plasma manufacturer.
In 2011, ang discussions sa pinoydvd ay puro Panny plasma; konti lang ang Sammy plasma discussions. Not surprising, since Panny was the best. LG plasma, bihira lang ang discussions.
May isang LG plasma na may mahabang thread dito, circa 2011 discussions - yung LG PK550 50" Plasma:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,122262.330.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,122262.330.html)
Interesado rin sana ako, pero after some research, nalaman ko na may problema pala sa color shifting. Hindi ko na pinansin ang LG plasmas mula noon:
(http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatvpics/reviews/lg-pk550/IMG_5609.jpg)
A white house in Risky Business shows how color can be introduced
in various ways with a TV that contains a color shift problem.
http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/lg-plasma-tv/lg-50pk550.html (http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/lg-plasma-tv/lg-50pk550.html)
wow bro barrister thanks for sharing!
akala ko problema sa mga encoders.
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The Best Television
June 24, 2014 (Last Updated: July 14, 2014)
Geoff Morrison
If I was in the market for an awesome television, I’d get the Samsung F8500 series, either in 51-, 60-, or 64-inch sizes (about $1,800, $2,400, or $3,100, respectively). This is a fantastic looking television, with a punchy brights, deep darks, lifelike and accurate color, excellent detail, and great performance in rooms with lots of light. While pricey, it has one of the best pictures of any TV in recent years according to all the major TV reviewers.
... If stepping down, we recommend the F5300 from Samsung, which costs much less, though it doesn’t have quite the same level of picture quality.
... I, and the vast majority of TV reviewers, would tell you to get a plasma, even now, over any LCD. Why? We’re able to view all TVs in a controlled environment (i.e., not in a brightly-lit store). We’re able to view these TVs side by side. Lastly, we’re able to objectively measure the TVs with test gear. The result? In nearly every case, plasmas just look better than LCD.
... Why would you want an LCD? Truthfully, most people shouldn’t, if they’re looking for the best picture quality. Ignore the marketing. What you see in a store is not indicative of the performance you’ll see at home. Plasmas are not dim and will work brilliantly as long as your room isn’t all windows and you only watch TV during the day. Even if they are, the F8500 performs better with bright rooms than just about any other plasma.
... if you’re thinking of buying a 50-to-60-inch TV, 4K is just going to be a waste of money, unless you’re sitting really, really close.
... The last and perhaps biggest issue is that all current 4K TVs are just LED LCDs. In other words, all the picture quality negatives found with “normal” LCDs still apply.
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-tv/ (http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-tv/)
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Meron bang locally available na F5300 na 60" or 64" dito?
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Wala sir.
F5300 equivalent here is F5500. Same model, different number.
60F5500 meron, 64F5500 wala.
I had the chance to check this model in 51 and 64 inch sizes at Ansons Ayala a while ago. It really is an awesome plasma tv. Picture quality is crisp with very accurate colors. Saw it side by side with the 60F5500 and you can just see the difference. 60F5500 pixels are visible at about 3-4 feet from the display. The F8500s are just smooth as silk!
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How much 60F5500 dito locally?
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I saw Bose's new TV with built in speakers, walang tao sa showroom kaya hindi ko natnaong if it was a plasma panel, it looked like a plasma dahil hirap sa liwanag ng showroo, :) but the sound was fantastic!
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I saw Bose's new TV with built in speakers, walang tao sa showroom kaya hindi ko natnaong if it was a plasma panel, it looked like a plasma dahil hirap sa liwanag ng showroo, :) but the sound was fantastic!
sobrang ganda sir sound nyan and kaya talaga simulate ng surround ... if I remember it right, it has an array of 18 speakers at ibang klase yung technology nya to simulate surround ... i attended a demo of that one, they had 7.1 speaker stands surrounding the room, and all the stands were cloaked with black cloth - it looked like there were speakers around the room ... they played a demo that really felt they had 7.1 speaker system ... after the demo, really surprised that all the stands had no speakers, everything was coming from the TV, ang kapal nga lang ... problem lang is yung price nya before dito is similar to buying a good quality TV and a good AV receiver and 5.1 quality speaker setup
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I have a 50" LG plasma (50PV400) and its more than 2 years now but still kicking!
I calibrated it via Disney WOW bluray disc as seen in this thread (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,181825.msg1957440.html#msg1957440) and i'd say that LG plasma isn't too bad IF calibrated carefully.
And plus the price to performance ratio is unbeatable by other brands.
Then again, i'm still eyeing that 55" VT60 an electronics store is giving me for only $1499 (P60,000) or probably by christmas i can get a boxing day deal for a 64F8500 :)
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Wow ang mura na talaga ng TV ngayon!
The latest Samsung 43" basic (non-3D) model is 22,900 lang :o
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Wow ang mura na talaga ng TV ngayon!
The latest Samsung 43" basic (non-3D) model is 22,900 lang :o
IIRC, 19999 yung 42" plasma ng LG sa Abensons dati.
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Ngayon ko lang nalaman, aside from LG, meron pa palang isang plasma manufacturer --- Changhong.
Pati Changhong, titigilan na rin ang plasma:
Changhong to continue stock trading halt
Experts believe this indicates firm may close plasma display panel business
2014-09-29 Global Times
Web Editor: Qin Dexing
http://www.ecns.cn/business/2014/09-29/136722.shtml (http://www.ecns.cn/business/2014/09-29/136722.shtml)
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Guys,
Anong currently best bang for back na 55" Plasma na locally available?
TIA :)
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LG confirms death of plasma before end of year,
but not for the reason you might think
By Rik Henderson
1 October 2014
LG has confirmed to Pocket-lint that it will be shutting down its plasma television production line before the end of 2014, possibly even next month.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/131196-lg-confirms-death-of-plasma-before-end-of-year-but-not-for-the-reason-you-might-think (http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/131196-lg-confirms-death-of-plasma-before-end-of-year-but-not-for-the-reason-you-might-think)
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Good choice ba ang Samsung PS60F5500?
Same PQ ba cya with 51F5000 or H5000? Thanks
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guys, i need your expert thoughts. I have a pioneer kuro 428xg. Ive been using this for almost 6 years already. Recently, when i turn on the tv it shows somewhat like distorting pictures (watching tv cable) and no sound. then it'll restore to normal viewing with sound after some couple of minutes. It will go back again repeatedly. I suspect maybe its the tuner board? but when i test the inputs (there are currently 6 inputs for hdmi/pc/component) 2 of which give sound (like having a microphone near a speaker).
Will post a pic later.
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here are some photos...
(http://i62.tinypic.com/3130ub9.jpg) (http://i61.tinypic.com/3020w82.jpg)
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The world is running out of plasma TVs
By David Goldman and James O'Toole
@CNNTech October 30, 2014: 2:12 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
And then there were none.
The last company to make plasma TV screens for U.S. consumers said this week that it would stop production of plasma sets in November. The widely expected announcement by LG has put the final nail in plasma TV's coffin.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/30/technology/plasma-tv/ (http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/30/technology/plasma-tv/)
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The world is running out of plasma TVs
By David Goldman and James O'Toole
@CNNTech October 30, 2014: 2:12 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
And then there were none.
The last company to make plasma TV screens for U.S. consumers said this week that it would stop production of plasma sets in November. The widely expected announcement by LG has put the final nail in plasma TV's coffin.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/30/technology/plasma-tv/ (http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/30/technology/plasma-tv/)
a sad day for plasma tv tech. :(
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a sad day for plasma tv tech. :(
Indeed it is!
Conversely, Panny's VT60 and ZT60 are coming down in prices! As well as Samsung's F8500 plasmas.
Yesterday, I saw the 65" VT60 on par with pricing at $2999 same as 60" ZT60. So technically its either you get the bigger plasma with slightly lower specs/performance or sacrifice the 5" of display and get the top-tier ZT60.
Samsung's 60" F8500's prices are going down too, and you can have them for as low as $2399 and $2899 for the 64" version.
LG's decision on stopping Plasma TV production is due to the fact that people don't wanna buy their plasmas anymore. I'd say 75% of consumers who buy Plasmas nowadays are from the enthusiast market knowing the benefits of getting a Plasma when we talk about deeper colour, blacker blacks and whiter whites, refresh rates, etc. while the other 25% of the buyers simply buy them because they can get a bigger TV for a cheaper price compared to buying LEDs.
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Hello. Yung Samsung Plasma 51H4500 okay ba? 31K na lang kasi offer sakin. Hehe. ???
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hindi full HD yun
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Oo nga eh. Wala na kasi nung full HD kahit saan ako pumunta.
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hirap na maghanap, tyaga lang sa mga abenson at avant
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OLX meron. :)
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25k to repair my 428xg kuro tv, main board will be change. Should I decide to have it repaired?
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25k to repair my 428xg kuro tv, main board will be change. Should I decide to have it repaired?
If I was in your situation. No.
I'll just buy Samsung 51H5000 for 31K; the Kuro might have better blacks but then again, the Samsung is considered best buy because of its very good contrast, clear panel, and of course the size.
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To all gurus, need advice ok pa ba to buy Samsung 51 inch Plasma PS51E550 knowing newer models specifically Samsung 51H5000 is hard to find nowadays? Also yung mga second hand plasma TV advisable pa ba since wala ng manufacturer. Upgrading soon to 50 and up. Tia! ;)
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If I was in your situation. No.
I'll just buy Samsung 51H5000 for 31K; the Kuro might have better blacks but then again, the Samsung is considered best buy because of its very good contrast, clear panel, and of course the size.
Thanks for your response Sir Philander. Is this samsung you have mentioned still available?
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Thanks for your response Sir Philander. Is this samsung you have mentioned still available?
It is but you might need to check every Abenson branches around for availability.
Call their branches first rather going to each store
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In two abensons i checked here in bulacan, ubos ang h5000 models. Waht is left is the older 720p models
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Here's the list that I know that they don't have NO stock:
Abenson shangri-la
Glorietta
Robinsons Ermita
Avant Greenbelt
Malamang yung mga natitira yung mga display or yung sinoli na mga PinoyDVDers :P
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Baka meron pa sa Ansons Makati?
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To all gurus, need advice ok pa ba to buy Samsung 51 inch Plasma PS51E550 knowing newer models specifically Samsung 51H5000 is hard to find nowadays? Also yung mga second hand plasma TV advisable pa ba since wala ng manufacturer. Upgrading soon to 50 and up. Tia! ;)
Yes, ayos ang 51E550! Yung D ang problema, pero E, F and H, ok yon.
Satisfied ako sa TV ko na yon. Nag upgrade lang ako sa 51F8500 kasi nabalitaan ko na phase out na ang Sammy plasma. Kung walang phase out, hindi ko na sana pinalitan kasi ang ganda naman.
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@ barrister thanks, actually it's your review regarding this model that made me convince my sis-in-law to buy this TV way back 3rd quarter of 2013. She was reluctant to buy a plasma TV, since her 2011 samsung 43" plasma have 4 vertical lines ??? after 1 year of use. This will be my upgrade coming from LG plasma ;D