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« Reply #210 on: Sep 23, 2011 at 10:38 PM »
That did not answer my question... ang layo eh

he did on the first sentence. since according sa Creationists hindi daw kasi nabanggit yung Evolution sa Bible. I guess he answered you're question on the Creationists' view.
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« Reply #211 on: Sep 24, 2011 at 10:13 PM »
a solid evidence that bird came not from dinosaurs...


bird's ancestor : GOAT

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« Reply #212 on: Sep 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM »
people are forgetting about the missing link  ::)

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« Reply #213 on: Sep 24, 2011 at 10:42 PM »
Interesting thread. . . but reads increasingly more like Fundamentalists vs Modern Biblical Theory to me.  ;D

Actually, what several years of Theology in a Catholic University has taught me is to put the Bible and everything on it within historical context, but still keeping in mind that Scriptures were written by men through divine inspiration.  One should not read the Bible without considering the centuries of biblical scholarship that comes with it.  In fact, if you read the footnotes in the Bible, they're actually very helpful in understanding the context of the Scriptures.

The Catholic Church has come a long way from the time of Galileo, where the Catholic Church held sway over both the flock's faith and secular education.  That's why Galileo was threatened with excommunication if he did not renounce his radical theory that the Sun, not the Earth was the center of the solar system.  Now, we find scientist priests who find no problem in mixing their faith in a creator and the complexities of the natural sciences.

You also have to consider the Bible as a document to propagate the faith, and not as a historical document.  Theology also gathers from the insights of the numerous scholars who have perused the Bible in the past, and not dwell on the literal interpretations of the text.

Of course, we all have our theories about the true story of creation. There is no concrete scientific proof that everything was created in 6 days, but neither have scientists come up with repeatable results in controlled experiments that certain portions of minerals and conditions can result in a spontaneous life form being created.  The answer I believe lies somewhere in between - my take: Somebody started and designed it all, but from then on, it followed a very specific path that can be observed and explained.

However, given the scientific advancements in the last several hundred years or so, it is very encouraging that the Church and most of the faithful have been able to reconcile their faith with the natural sciences.

An interesting read is debate in Time magazine between an Atheist Scientist and one who believes in God.

http://richarddawkins.net/articles/4047-god-vs-science-a-debate-between-richard-dawkins-and-francis-collins

Oh yes, and an old Church document on how to interpret the Bible, intro'd by no less than Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, aka Pope Benedict. . .

http://www.ewtn.com/library/curia/pbcinter.htm

To quote the conclusion:

"From what has been said in the course of this long account—admittedly far too brief on a number of points—the first conclusion that emerges is that biblical exegesis fulfills, in the church and in the world, an <indispensable task.> To attempt to bypass it when seeking to understand the Bible would be to create an illusion and display lack of respect for the inspired Scripture.

When fundamentalists relegate exegetes to the role of translators only (failing to grasp that translating the Bible is already a work of exegesis) and refuse to follow them further in their studies, these same fundamentalists do not realize that for all their very laudable concern for total fidelity to the word of God, they proceed in fact along ways which will lead them far away from the true meaning of the biblical texts, as well as from full acceptance of the consequences of the incarnation. The eternal Word became incarnate at a precise period of history, within a clearly defined cultural and social environment. Anyone who desires to understand the word of God should humbly seek it out there where it has made itself visible and accept to this end the necessary help of human knowledge. Addressing men and women, from the beginnings of the Old Testament onward, God made use of all the possibilities of human language, while at the same time accepting that his word be subject to the constraints caused by the limitations of this language. Proper respect for inspired Scripture requires undertaking all the labors necessary to gain a thorough grasp of its meaning. Certainly, it is not possible that each Christian personally pursue all the kinds of research which make for a better understanding of the biblical text. This task is entrusted to exegetes, who have the responsibility in this matter to see that all profit from their labor.

A second conclusion is that the very nature of biblical texts means that interpreting them will require continued use of the <historical-critical method,> at least in its principal procedures. The Bible, in effect, does not present itself as a direct revelation of timeless truths but as the written testimony to a series of interventions in which God reveals himself in human history. In a way that differs from tenets of other religions, the message of the Bible is solidly grounded in history. It follows that the biblical writings cannot be correctly understood without an examination of the historical circumstances that shaped them. "Diachronic" research will always be indispensable for exegesis. Whatever be their own interest and value, "synchronic" approaches cannot replace it. To function in a way that will be fruitful, synchronic approaches should accept the conclusions of the diachronic, at least according to their main lines."
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Re: Creation or Evolution - articles and discussion
« Reply #214 on: Sep 24, 2011 at 11:05 PM »
but still keeping in mind that Scriptures were written by men through divine inspiration.

What do you mean by "written by men though divine inspiration".  What is your basis?

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« Reply #215 on: Sep 24, 2011 at 11:12 PM »
What do you mean by "written by men though divine inspiration".  What is your basis?

My basis is the Theo classes that I've attended.  The Bible was written by men, but with divine inspiration.  It is the word of God through men.  You actually don't believe the Books in the Bible actually came from heaven already written down, like the Ten Commandments?  In fact, some books in the Bible were written some years after the events in it occurred, or somebody finally wrote down years of oral tradition.  

Likewise, what we are reading now are translations of translations already.  From the original Aramaic to Latin to English to the Filipino Bible.  And yet we all ascribe it to be the true word of God.  A faith document inspired by God, but written (and translated) in behalf of Him.

If you want to be all fundamental about it. . . eto:

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:--2 Timothy 3:16
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« Reply #216 on: Sep 25, 2011 at 07:01 AM »
^ Well said.

my take: Somebody started and designed it all,
This part is a matter of faith.

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but from then on, it followed a very specific path that can be observed and explained.
This part can be observed, documented, explained and tested through rational thinking alone.

That is all. :)

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« Reply #217 on: Sep 25, 2011 at 09:21 AM »



thanks to donbuggy of tsikot forum for posting this ;D
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« Reply #218 on: Sep 25, 2011 at 09:50 AM »



thanks to donbuggy of tsikot forum for posting this ;D

A Middle-Age sentiment in a modern-day cartoon. . .  ;D

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« Reply #219 on: Sep 25, 2011 at 09:21 PM »

If you want to be all fundamental about it. . . eto:

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:--2 Timothy 3:16


Isn't this a form of circular reasoning?
Using a quote from the Bible to prove the Bible were written by men through divine inspiration.

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« Reply #220 on: Sep 25, 2011 at 10:24 PM »
That's right.  It's begging the question.

If the question is the validity of the bible, then assuming the validity of a bible verse is the same as assuming the very proposition sought to be proven.

It's a logical fallacy that is related to circular argument or circular reasoning.

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Re: Creation or Evolution - articles and discussion
« Reply #221 on: Sep 26, 2011 at 01:40 AM »
Isn't this a form of circular reasoning?
Using a quote from the Bible to prove the Bible were written by men through divine inspiration.

Correct.  That is why you cannot use fundamentalism or literal biblical study to study the scriptures.  As I said before, you study the concepts and stories in the Bible in a wider perspective.  What most fundamentalists do is to stick literally to the scripture.

Of course, most Christian concepts and morality use text from the Bible as basis.

Oh yes, the principle of divine inspiration in scripture is a core concept of Roman Catholicism.  That's not my idea. Ask any member of the clergy or any religion teacher.

Cheers. 

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« Reply #222 on: Sep 26, 2011 at 01:54 AM »
That's right.  It's begging the question.

If the question is the validity of the bible, then assuming the validity of a bible verse is the same as assuming the very proposition sought to be proven.

It's a logical fallacy that is related to circular argument or circular reasoning.


If we use legalese then, lawyers will likely argue on that point.  However, as I said in the previous post, divine inspiration is a core tenet of Bible study and of the Roman Catholic faith.  Quite true, you cannot infallibly prove that the Bible is of divine inspiration. Taken to its basics, the Bible texts are written accounts or oral tradition set to writing, and out of all these written accounts, the early Church chose specific books which now comprise the Bible that we know as today.  It did not come magically from heaven, already arranged and bound like the stone tablets of the ten commandments.

It takes centuries of doctrinal teaching by the Church to establish that belief.  Again, we use the Bible as Muslims use the Koran.  Concepts are based on the study of the writings of the authors of the books of the Bible.  Btw, divine inspiration is a key assumption, if you will, on most of not all religions on their basic text that underpins their belief. Without that, they are just simply ordinary books and stories.

Ask your friendly neighborhood parish priest if you are still unsure of this basic tenet of divine inspiration. Don't take my word for it.
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« Reply #223 on: May 18, 2012 at 02:08 PM »

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« Reply #225 on: May 19, 2012 at 08:15 AM »
A must-read article.



F**K CREATIONISM: UPDATED

The main thrust of Creationist efforts stem from their nauseating bleat that “Evolution is only a theory”. From that point they try to take it further down the slippery slope, insinuating that if it is only a theory then it must be little more than a guess and should not be considered as a viable explanation of the wide variety of life that we observe on earth today.

Well, evolution is a theory and it is also a fact. Evolution is defined as a change in allele frequency in a population over time. Evolution has been observed in nature. Evolutionary Theory, explains the mechanisms of evolution (the fact). Scientific Theories are not merely guesses as the ignorant Creationists try to portray them. Scientific Theories describe a large set of observations with as few arbitrary elements as possible. Good theories make predictions about future events and are always falsifiable. This means that there must be some way to render the theory false, if indeed it is false. A good theory also shows a mechanism, and in the case of evolutionary theory, the mechanism of natural selection has been widely observed and demonstrated.

Evolutionary theory is the cornerstone of the biological sciences and without it nothing makes any sense at all. Evolutionary Theory has become stronger and stronger throughout the years despite many attempts to falsify it. Sure, scientists have disagreed about the specific mechanism of evolution, but to try to use this as a wedge to discredit evolutionary theory and sneak their god in the back door of the Science classroom is dishonest and laughable. Creationism is not a theory or a fact and I challenge any creationist to show me just one tenet of creationism that is scientific, just one.

In fact, Creationism is the opposite of science. In a nutshell, science observes, then explains. Creationism starts with a rigid conclusion and then looks around for natural phenomena that might support this conclusion. This is the same thing as shooting an arrow into a wall and then painting a bull’s eye around it. Science is self-correcting and ever changing. If a theory is falsified, science picks itself up and starts looking for another explanation, for science has no other agenda. Creationism cannot be falsified, it is inflexible, never changing. Creationism is religious dogma and nothing else.


More at http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/962/crap-creationism/

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« Reply #226 on: May 19, 2012 at 08:39 AM »


Insert what christians think in between man and humanoid since up to now they still cannot find the missing link. And that is what really happened.

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« Reply #227 on: May 22, 2012 at 07:06 AM »
Insert what christians think in between man and humanoid since up to now they still cannot find the missing link. And that is what really happened.
The "missing link" is Evolution.

Except that—no matter how many intermediary fossils are found, die-hard Christians won't abandon their beliefs anyway.

If tomorrow, all fossils were magically found (or, say, aliens revealed themselves and categorically show proof of Evolution)—would you change your beliefs? Or would you further twist and reinterpret the Bible to fit your worldview (and say, "Look, the Bible predicted Evolution all along!")?

Better yet—so that's your theory? Homo sapiens (Adam) suddenly appeared out of thin air? Did God wave a magic wand? Did he just come into being out of the cosmic background microwave radiation? Was he flown down from heaven carried by angels?

Oh, right. He was formed by God out of clay. Have we seen other beings coming out fully formed from clay lately?

Have we any observable, repeatable and falsifiable experiments or theories on how clay turns into biological, organic, multi-cellular, cognitive and moral creatures?

Or are we back to magic wand?

What's your theory?
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« Reply #228 on: May 22, 2012 at 08:20 AM »
Why are conservatives in America so scared about the teaching of evolution in schools as well as the many evolution books sitting on library and book store shelves?

What's with the effort to gradually stop people from learning about evolution?

Something scares them inside.

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« Reply #229 on: May 22, 2012 at 09:44 AM »
Because evolution is that little crack that can lead to enlightenment. Once a person realizes how utterly implausible and silly creationism is, it starts that inevitable realization that a lot of things in the bible are equally as silly. Blind obedience is the only way organized religion can survive.

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« Reply #230 on: May 22, 2012 at 10:01 AM »
Creationists and conservatives will cry over this.

Science Prevails In Missouri And Alabama As Creationism Bills Die In Both States

Science scored a major victory in Missouri and Alabama last week as multiple anti-evolution bills died in the legislatures of both states.

In Missouri, the House Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education decided not to vote on a pair of bills that would have made creationism an accepted science even though there is no evidence supporting it. HB 1276 would have allowed teachers “to help students understand, analyze, critique, and review in an objective manner the scientific strengths and scientific weaknesses of the theory of biological and hypotheses of chemical evolution.” In other words, the bill would have allowed right-wing religious fanatical teachers to push their anti-evolution views. The other bill, HB 1227 would have forced “the equal treatment of science instruction regarding evolution and intelligent design,” at every level in public school and in “any introductory science course taught at any public institution of higher education.” This bill would have actually forced schools and colleges to teach creationism alongside evolution, while allowing teachers bash evolution.

In Alabama, HB 133 failed to come up for a vote in the House after the Alabama Academy of Science issued a statement declaring that the bill would harm science education. The bill would have created a credit for creationism scheme that would have empowered “local boards of education to include released time religious instruction as an elective course for high school students.” The bill was introduced on behalf of Joseph Kennedy, a former school teacher who “was fired in 1980 for reading the Bible and teaching creationism at Spring Garden Elementary School when parents of the public school sixth-grade students objected and he refused to stop.” Kennedy wanted to “give students good sound scientific reasons to support their faith in the seven-day creation and the young Earth,” as devised by the Institute of Creation Research.

Teaching creationism in public school and colleges as part of science curriculum is wrong. Doing such a thing amounts to indoctrination. Because that’s exactly what these bills are all about. Indoctrinating students into the Christian religion, even if parents, the students, and scientists object. If students want to learn about creationism, they can do so in church. But in science class, only fact based theories that are supported by real evidence should be taught. The death of these bills is a big victory for science and reason and ensures our kids get a quality education.


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/21/creationism/

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« Reply #231 on: May 22, 2012 at 12:01 PM »
The "missing link" is Evolution.
Between Humanoid and Homo Sapiens, there is no evolution. It just become man. That is why it is called the missing link. There is no evidence of evolution. Evolution happens gradually, not suddenly
Except that—no matter how many intermediary fossils are found, die-hard Christians won't abandon their beliefs anyway.
There are no intermediary fossils found yet. The closest is Peking man.

If tomorrow, all fossils were magically found (or, say, aliens revealed themselves and categorically show proof of Evolution)—would you change your beliefs? Or would you further twist and reinterpret the Bible to fit your worldview (and say, "Look, the Bible predicted Evolution all along!")?
Will not change my beliefs. Evolution occurs. It is proven by science. In fact scientist can jump start evolution by just a tweak of the dna. But man was made because there is no link. The creators would have to wait around 200k years for the humanoid to evolve and they cannot wait, that is why they made man in their image, or now commonly known as hybrid. Just like a cross between a cross of a horse and a donkey, it will create an ass. and hybrids cannot multiply. That is why also woman was made from man, in order for man to multiply.

Better yet—so that's your theory? Homo sapiens (Adam) suddenly appeared out of thin air? Did God wave a magic wand? Did he just come into being out of the cosmic background microwave radiation? Was he flown down from heaven carried by angels?
Man was created to work in gold mines. Sahara desert was mined for gold. Civilization started in Africa. Gold has no value but all civilization put high value in it. Why? because if is of value to our creators.

Oh, right. He was formed by God out of clay. Have we seen other beings coming out fully formed from clay lately?
That is the explanation in simple terms because if it was explained technically, early man would not understand it.

Have we any observable, repeatable and falsifiable experiments or theories on how clay turns into biological, organic, multi-cellular, cognitive and moral creatures?
all creatures are made of atoms. If you rearrange atoms, you can make what you want to build. that is a given. the technology needed for this is coming. just have to wait.

Or are we back to magic wand?
For simple explanation. but do not take it literally

What's your theory?

We were created. By whom and for what purpose, we can only imagine. All living things on earth has a certain purpose. Those who multiply rapidly are for food, those who reproduce slowly are the predators, to make sure those who are weak do not survive to procreate. Man has no purpose in nature.

Source: The Twelfth Planet by Zecharia Sitchin.


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« Reply #232 on: May 22, 2012 at 12:08 PM »
Because evolution is that little crack that can lead to enlightenment. Once a person realizes how utterly implausible and silly creationism is, it starts that inevitable realization that a lot of things in the bible are equally as silly. Blind obedience is the only way organized religion can survive.
True. The God in the bible demands blind obedience. But the one they call the devil does not demand it. In fact it was the devil who opened up the eyes of man to enlightenment. In Genesis, if you really tally who was telling the truth and who was not, the devil would be the winner. The explanation of the devil was direct to the point and current. while what God said was only justified later and will happen in the future. For example, when they eat the fruit, they will die, but after eating it was qualified to be die in spirit. the devil said man will not die, and at that instant that they ate the fruit, they did not die. just an example.

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« Reply #233 on: May 22, 2012 at 01:13 PM »
In Genesis, if you really tally who was telling the truth and who was not, the devil would be the winner. The explanation of the devil was direct to the point and current. while what God said was only justified later and will happen in the future. For example, when they eat the fruit, they will die, but after eating it was qualified to be die in spirit. the devil said man will not die, and at that instant that they ate the fruit, they did not die. just an example.

No, hindi ganon yon.  God was referring to their physical bodies, and that's how Adam and Eve understood Him.  

Adam and Eve's physical bodies could have lived forever.  Hindi naman mahirap isipin yon.  If our cells regenerate continuously and indefinitely, then we should never grow old.  It's why the regenerative process has to slow down and eventually fail that is mysterious.

God said, "For when you eat from it you will certainly die."  Of course God was referring to their physical bodies.  These days, when you say that, you mean death would be immediate, because everyone dies eventually.  But in the time when God said that, Adam and Eve had the capacity to live forever.  But when they ate the fruit, their bodies became subject to aging and eventual death, and they eventually died.  So God was telling the truth.

The serpent said, “You will not certainly die.”  Which was of course a blatant lie, because Adam and Eve did die even if they were capable of living forever had they not eaten the fruit.

I don't see how you can say that the serpent was more truthful than God in that instance.

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« Reply #234 on: May 22, 2012 at 01:15 PM »
Between Humanoid and Homo Sapiens, there is no evolution. It just become man. That is why it is called the missing link. There is no evidence of evolution. Evolution happens gradually, not suddenly
We agree on your last sentence.

However, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Otherwise, "Oh, look, a car! I don't see any factories around in a thousand miles. Therefore, that car must've been formed out of raw atoms by some invisible hand."

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The creators would have to wait around 200k years for the humanoid to evolve and they cannot wait, that is why they made man in their image, or now commonly known as hybrid.

Man was created to work in gold mines. Sahara desert was mined for gold. Civilization started in Africa. Gold has no value but all civilization put high value in it. Why? because if is of value to our creators.
Ok... so you believe some super beings somehow 'created' homo sapiens thousands of years ago because they couldn't wait for Evolution to run its natural course?

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Source: The Twelfth Planet by Zecharia Sitchin.
Oh. I see.

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« Reply #235 on: May 22, 2012 at 01:29 PM »
We agree on your last sentence.

However, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Otherwise, "Oh, look, a car! I don't see any factories around in a thousand miles. Therefore, that car must've been formed out of raw atoms by some invisible hand."
Ok... so you believe some super beings somehow 'created' homo sapiens thousands of years ago because they couldn't wait for Evolution to run its natural course?
Oh. I see.

hmmm

oh look a car... ahah... based on hard evidence nagevolve yan galing sa kalesa...

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« Reply #236 on: May 22, 2012 at 01:41 PM »
hmmm

oh look a car... ahah... based on hard evidence nagevolve yan galing sa kalesa...

:)
Where's your evidence? :)

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« Reply #237 on: May 22, 2012 at 01:51 PM »
No, hindi ganon yon.  God was referring to their physical bodies, and that's how Adam and Eve understood Him.  

Adam and Eve's physical bodies could have lived forever.  Hindi naman mahirap isipin yon.  If our cells regenerate continuously and indefinitely, then we should never grow old.  It's why the regenerative process has to slow down and eventually fail that is mysterious.

God said, "For when you eat from it you will certainly die."  Of course God was referring to their physical bodies.  These days, when you say that, you mean death would be immediate, because everyone dies eventually.  But in the time when God said that, Adam and Eve had the capacity to live forever.  But when they ate the fruit, their bodies became subject to aging and eventual death, and they eventually died.  So God was telling the truth.

The serpent said, “You will not certainly die.”  Which was of course a blatant lie, because Adam and Eve did die even if they were capable of living forever had they not eaten the fruit.

I don't see how you can say that the serpent was more truthful than God in that instance.



Di ba na banish sila sa eden lest they eat the fruit from the tree of life, and they will not die? So why sinabi na yung tree of knowledge will make them die? what is the purpose of the tree of life if they are immortal in the first place? When the devil did say you will have knowledge between good and evil. di ba naging true yun? Bakit mas alam ng devil ano yung instant result? Hindi kaya yung tinutukoy na devil was the real creator?Kasi yung paging mortal ng tao was a choice of god, kung baga consequence lang yun sa action ng man. pero yung sa devil, yun talaga ang mangyari in an instant.

When science reaches its  full potential, di ba meron na rin tayo chance to live forever? It is all about chemistry lang naman yan..

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Re: Creation or Evolution - articles and discussion
« Reply #238 on: May 22, 2012 at 01:52 PM »
Where's your evidence? :)

hmmmm... sa ngaun wala pa eh... pero darating din tayo diyan... kasi mukha talagang nagevolve ang car galing sa kalesa...

pinadrawing ko pa nga sa sikat na artist ano magiging itsura ng sinaunang car eh...

kasi sa napaka komplikadong system ng sasakyan...malabong ginawa lang yan ng isang matalinong tao o kung sino/ano man...
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« Reply #239 on: May 22, 2012 at 02:14 PM »
We all form our conclusion based on evidence and what we know. We can conclude cars made by magic hand if we do not know that cars are made in factory. but if you know cars are made in factory, no way you will conclude that cars made by magic hand di ba. It is all on what is laid down in the table. What is true now may not be true later. Therefore if no missing link, then created. if meron makita, it will be evolution. nakita na dinosaur and wala pa din si missing link would tell you something naman di ba.