Author Topic: Plasma 2013 (Read 91760 times)

DTNS · « **Reply #390 on:** Nov 23, 2013 at 11:48 PM »

Quote from: revskie on Nov 23, 2013 at 08:28 PM

220VAC?

I'll confirm with tein.

revskie · « **Reply #391 on:** Nov 25, 2013 at 12:17 AM »

I am seeing a lot of converted USA plasmas at AV stores lately from 110 to 220vac. Auto-volt daw.

anchit · « **Reply #392 on:** Nov 26, 2013 at 01:35 PM »

Naaamoy ko na ang 65vt60! Ang kapalit- mag exercise 30mins araw araw for 3 months. :b

I was in a big Big AV store in Melb, nagtanong ako kung magkano ang best price nila sa 64F8500 and 65Vt60, the salesguy said " don't get the F8500, we are clearing them out, a lot of units have been returned due to different problems, you seem to be a nice guy, don't go thru the stress of getting it and then sending it back".

techwar · « **Reply #393 on:** Nov 26, 2013 at 05:54 PM »

ayus yung salesguy ah!

sardaukar · « **Reply #394 on:** Nov 27, 2013 at 01:09 PM »

Quote from: Clondalkin on Oct 10, 2013 at 10:44 PM

BTW, apparently nauuna nga ang Samsung in OLED and even UHD. I can understand the 8K-9K street price for the 55 inch 4K OLED or 65 inch UHD considering how much more beautiful the images look compared to the current top of the line 1080p TVs, but I really don't get the point of curving a 55-inch screen, not even a 65 inch screen...not big enough to curve and nakakailang lang.

Bakit nga ba naka curve? Diba they spend so much time and money marketing flat and near flat CRTs tapos ngayon balik na naman sa curved screen?

raptor · « **Reply #395 on:** Nov 27, 2013 at 01:10 PM »

Quote from: sardaukar on Nov 27, 2013 at 01:09 PM

Bakit nga ba naka curve? Diba they spend so much time and money marketing flat and near flat CRTs tapos ngayon balik na naman sa curved screen?

nice catch ... ganyan nga marketing nila before sa mga mas bagong crt - "flat screen" ... pero mukhang baligtad naman ang curve ngayon

barrister · « **Reply #396 on:** Nov 27, 2013 at 02:25 PM »

Quote from: sardaukar on Nov 27, 2013 at 01:09 PM

Bakit nga ba naka curve? Diba they spend so much time and money marketing flat and near flat CRTs tapos ngayon balik na naman sa curved screen?

Curved nga ang CRT, pero convex curve naman, hindi concave. Para maging flat, mas mahirap ang design. Para maging concave, hindi lang mahirap, imposible pa.

Ang LCD/LED/plasma, flat lang ang puwede, hindi kaya ang concave/convex.

Now, for the first time, meron nang concave screen. OLED lang ang puwedeng gumawa ng concave curve.

Hindi bumalik sa convex curve. Imbis na bumalik, bumaliktad pa nga.

Quote from: raptor on Nov 27, 2013 at 01:10 PM

nice catch ... ganyan nga marketing nila before sa mga mas bagong crt - "flat screen" ... pero mukhang baligtad naman ang curve ngayon

Tama yan.

Sa marketing, ang tawag diyan ay product differentiation. The objective is to make it different from all others, so that the product becomes more desirable to a certain consumer group.

Kung flat lang ang OLED, e di pareho lang porma sa LED and plasma. Pag curved, siguradong OLED yon, kasi walang ibang slim TV na curved. Status symbol. Mas pogi ka pag may ganon ka.

sardaukar · « **Reply #397 on:** Nov 27, 2013 at 03:04 PM »

So it's mainly for product differentiation? Meron ba itong benefit in terms of picture quality? I'm thinking all this does is narrow the viewing angle / limit the viewing area.

skooter · « **Reply #398 on:** Nov 27, 2013 at 03:15 PM »

i think i've read an article a month ago that SONY has a curved LCD/LED panel i forgot where i find it. anyway somewhere in this thread wrote that there's a lot of customer complain about the sammy's F8500 and a salesman here in cebu told me they've got a lot of complain about this F8500 and worse there's one customer sue them for not allowing him to return back his F8500. most of the complains daw nag crack daw yun panel, i don't know folks but this story seems ligit after i've read a post in this thread.

skooter · « **Reply #399 on:** Nov 27, 2013 at 03:18 PM »

this post is from a certain anchit ----- I was in a big Big AV store in Melb, nagtanong ako kung magkano ang best price nila sa 64F8500 and 65Vt60, the salesguy said " don't get the F8500, we are clearing them out, a lot of units have been returned due to different problems, you seem to be a nice guy, don't go thru the stress of getting it and then sending it back".

Waxx · « **Reply #400 on:** Nov 27, 2013 at 03:44 PM »

Quote from: skooter on Nov 27, 2013 at 03:18 PM

this post is from a certain anchit ----- I was in a big Big AV store in Melb, nagtanong ako kung magkano ang best price nila sa 64F8500 and 65Vt60, the salesguy said " don't get the F8500, we are clearing them out, a lot of units have been returned due to different problems, you seem to be a nice guy, don't go thru the stress of getting it and then sending it back".

and your point is???...

ahhh gets ko na point nyo.. meaning sirain ang f8500 dahil sa sinabi ng salesman in cebu at sa sinabi ng salesman kay anchit..

ok... somebody also told me once that the world will end in year2000.. almost believed him..

anyhoo.. since wala akong pambili ng UHDTV at plasma.. di ako pinapansin ng mga salesman dito.. kaya ayun.. LED nalang uli binili ko..

barrister · « **Reply #401 on:** Nov 27, 2013 at 04:29 PM »

Quote from: sardaukar on Nov 27, 2013 at 03:04 PM

So it's mainly for product differentiation? Meron ba itong benefit in terms of picture quality? I'm thinking all this does is narrow the viewing angle / limit the viewing area.

Picture quality benefit? No, walang benefit yon.

May advantage sa projector & screen ng sinehan. Walang advantage sa panel na pambahay kasi maliit na, hindi pa front-projection.

Yes, it limits the viewing area "sweet spot." If you're sitting on the right side of the room, the left side of the screen is angled towards you, but the right side of the screen is angled away from you. Nagkakaroon ng distortion.

I agree with this article:

Why curved OLED TVs are a bad idea
Opinion - Television is entering a new age of stupid!
By Steve May August 27th
http://www.techradar.com/news/television/why-curved-oled-tvs-are-a-bad-idea-1176000

DTNS · « **Reply #402 on:** Nov 27, 2013 at 06:58 PM »

an update about the Panasonic 60U50 that tein is selling: it's 220V and comes with 1 year Panasonic warranty.

Clondalkin · « **Reply #403 on:** Nov 27, 2013 at 11:02 PM »

I guess for HDTV's that are at least 80" diagonal, it may be OK to curve but I don't think it's necessary unless they change the aspect ratio of the TV and make it wider than 16:9.

I didn't notice any distortion on the curved OLED when viewed from one side only, but perhaps I got too distracted by the curve - it just felt meaningless for the given sizes of the demo OLEDs.

Quote from: sardaukar on Nov 27, 2013 at 03:04 PM

So it's mainly for product differentiation? Meron ba itong benefit in terms of picture quality? I'm thinking all this does is narrow the viewing angle / limit the viewing area.

raptor · « **Reply #404 on:** Nov 28, 2013 at 01:41 AM »

Quote from: Clondalkin on Nov 27, 2013 at 11:02 PM

I guess for HDTV's that are at least 80" diagonal, it may be OK to curve but I don't think it's necessary unless they change the aspect ratio of the TV and make it wider than 16:9.

I didn't notice any distortion on the curved OLED when viewed from one side only, but perhaps I got too distracted by the curve - it just felt meaningless for the given sizes of the demo OLEDs.

if it's not practical for 50 or 60-incher TV's, i'm not sure why they are releasing curved phones with very small screens ... mukhang marketing lang talaga

Oldboyracer · « **Reply #405 on:** Nov 28, 2013 at 07:56 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Nov 27, 2013 at 04:29 PM

Picture quality benefit? No, walang benefit yon.

May advantage sa projector & screen ng sinehan. Walang advantage sa panel na pambahay kasi maliit na, hindi pa front-projection.

Yes, it limits the viewing area "sweet spot." If you're sitting on the right side of the room, the left side of the screen is angled towards you, but the right side of the screen is angled away from you. Nagkakaroon ng distortion.

I agree with this article:

Why curved OLED TVs are a bad idea
Opinion - Television is entering a new age of stupid!
By Steve May August 27th
http://www.techradar.com/news/television/why-curved-oled-tvs-are-a-bad-idea-1176000

I'm with you barrister.

DTNS · « **Reply #406 on:** Nov 28, 2013 at 08:04 PM »

I've narrowed my plasma tv choices to these 3:

Panasonic 60U50 60" Full HD Plasma TV - 75k
Panasonic 50VT30 50" Full HD 3D Plasma TV - 62k (there are still a few stocks of this tv in Manila)
Samsung 51F5000 - 43k (w/ free 28" LED tv or 30+k without the "free" tv)

my heart is saying "bigger is better" but my brain is saying, "play it safe, save some money, and get the Samsung."

ninjababez® · « **Reply #407 on:** Nov 29, 2013 at 01:29 AM »

Quote from: DTNS on Nov 28, 2013 at 08:04 PM

Panasonic 60U50 60" Full HD Plasma TV - 75k
Panasonic 50VT30 50" Full HD 3D Plasma TV - 62k (there are still a few stocks of this tv in Manila)

san mo nakita yung 60" @ 75k bro? yan na kunin mo

kaso nga lang maganda din talaga kasi kulay ng vt30, wag mo nalang side by side .. bigger is better naman

Clondalkin · « **Reply #408 on:** Nov 29, 2013 at 02:11 AM »

The U series is quite OK in the dark. I havent seen the Samsung in action.

My entire household and all relatives are still awed by the VT30.

ninjababez® · « **Reply #409 on:** Nov 29, 2013 at 02:43 AM »

Quote from: Clondalkin on Nov 29, 2013 at 02:11 AM

The U series is quite OK in the dark. I havent seen the Samsung in action.

My entire household and all relatives are still awed by the VT30.

bro alan medyo alanganin ako sa quite OK

let's say vt30 is 100 points ilan points ang U50?

DTNS · « **Reply #410 on:** Nov 29, 2013 at 05:17 AM »

Quote from: ninjababez® on Nov 29, 2013 at 01:29 AM

san mo nakita yung 60" @ 75k bro? yan na kunin mo
kaso nga lang maganda din talaga kasi kulay ng vt30, wag mo nalang side by side .. bigger is better naman

kay tein/ Sound & Vision.

Clondalkin · « **Reply #411 on:** Nov 29, 2013 at 06:01 AM »

I'm trying to be diplomatic my friend. hehehe. Seriously, I think practically every plasma model should look nice in a dark room - and the black level of the UT model is strong. I've actually seen the UT50 beside the ST50 side by side in a pretty dark area of Frys. i would be lying if I tell you that I could easily distinguish between the two. Then got a similar chance in another branch with some ceiling lights - that situation, kitang kita difference ng reflectiveness and clarity and color of reflection.

Parang namamahalan ako sa 75K na U series while the 30K Samsung is really reasonable. For the VT30, that's the premium you have to pay. But do you have any regrets paying that much?

Quote from: ninjababez® on Nov 29, 2013 at 02:43 AM

bro alan medyo alanganin ako sa quite OK
let's say vt30 is 100 points ilan points ang U50?

ninjababez® · « **Reply #412 on:** Nov 29, 2013 at 07:00 AM »

Quote from: Clondalkin on Nov 29, 2013 at 06:01 AM

I'm trying to be diplomatic my friend. hehehe. Seriously, I think practically every plasma model should look nice in a dark room - and the black level of the UT model is strong. I've actually seen the UT50 beside the ST50 side by side in a pretty dark area of Frys. i would be lying if I tell you that I could easily distinguish between the two. Then got a similar chance in another branch with some ceiling lights - that situation, kitang kita difference ng reflectiveness and clarity and color of reflection.

Parang namamahalan ako sa 75K na U series while the 30K Samsung is really reasonable. For the VT30, that's the premium you have to pay. But do you have any regrets paying that much?

nope sulit na sulit ang pag acquire ko ng 50VT30 bro

planning to do a size upgrade sana na mura lang

kaya nung mabasa ko post ni dtns medyo nagising dugo ko

100% of the time naman dark room ako eh, hmmm pwede na UT50?

Moks007 · « **Reply #413 on:** Nov 29, 2013 at 07:42 AM »

Quote from: ninjababez® on Nov 29, 2013 at 07:00 AM

nope sulit na sulit ang pag acquire ko ng 50VT30 bro
planning to do a size upgrade sana na mura lang kaya nung mabasa ko post ni dtns medyo nagising dugo ko
100% of the time naman dark room ako eh, hmmm pwede na UT50?

Hi bro ninja, I would just keep your 50vt30 and just get a projector. That's what I did, I kept my 55 inch led, yung pj ko for intense, awesome movies para tipid sa lamp lol...if you want size talaga and used to watching in the dark, for me ok na ok yung projector. Marami na lumalabas na 1000usd and under na pj hehehe.. 3d and 1080p na.

ninjababez® · « **Reply #414 on:** Nov 29, 2013 at 07:51 AM »

Quote from: Moks007 on Nov 29, 2013 at 07:42 AM

Hi bro ninja, I would just keep your 50vt30 and just get a projector. That's what I did, I kept my 55 inch led, yung pj ko for intense, awesome movies para tipid sa lamp lol...if you want size talaga and used to watching in the dark, for me ok na ok yung projector. Marami na lumalabas na 1000usd and under na pj hehehe.. 3d and 1080p na.

sa kwarto lang kasi bro, medyo masikip na yung harap eh

but will keep naman the vt30 for my room in my moms house

DTNS · « **Reply #415 on:** Nov 29, 2013 at 06:50 PM »

nag-iba na daw ang promo ng Abensons sa Samsung 51F5000. 36k for the plasma tv + "free" 23" led tv. 31k w/o the tv. (pwede pa raw tawaran.

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hmmm... esep-esep...

Oldboyracer · « **Reply #416 on:** Dec 02, 2013 at 02:46 PM »

Quote from: DTNS on Nov 28, 2013 at 08:04 PM

I've narrowed my plasma tv choices to these 3:

Panasonic 60U50 60" Full HD Plasma TV - 75k
Panasonic 50VT30 50" Full HD 3D Plasma TV - 62k (there are still a few stocks of this tv in Manila)
Samsung 51F5000 - 43k (w/ free 28" LED tv or 30+k without the "free" tv)

my heart is saying "bigger is better" but my brain is saying, "play it safe, save some money, and get the Samsung."

Hi DTNS, I had the same dilemma a few years ago when I bought my PDP - LX5090, I listened to my brain then 2 weeks later I was thinking oh why oh why did I not buy the 6090. You have to live with your choices unless of course you win the lottery.

♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ · « **Reply #417 on:** Dec 02, 2013 at 03:07 PM »

Quote from: DTNS on Nov 28, 2013 at 08:04 PM

I've narrowed my plasma tv choices to these 3:

Panasonic 60U50 60" Full HD Plasma TV - 75k
Panasonic 50VT30 50" Full HD 3D Plasma TV - 62k (there are still a few stocks of this tv in Manila)
Samsung 51F5000 - 43k (w/ free 28" LED tv or 30+k without the "free" tv)

my heart is saying "bigger is better" but my brain is saying, "play it safe, save some money, and get the Samsung."

Eto pa isama mo sa pampagulo ng utak mo...

70K na lang daw yan kapag walang freebies

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/29090054/Samsung+PS60F5500+60in+Full+HD+Plasma+Smart+3D+TV+-+Series+5?referralKeywords=60F5500&event=Search+Ranking,Position,1-5,5

anchit · « **Reply #418 on:** Dec 02, 2013 at 08:30 PM »

Quote from: ninjababez® on Nov 29, 2013 at 07:00 AM

nope sulit na sulit ang pag acquire ko ng 50VT30 bro
planning to do a size upgrade sana na mura lang kaya nung mabasa ko post ni dtns medyo nagising dugo ko
100% of the time naman dark room ako eh, hmmm pwede na UT50?

Jammybabes I have a 60UT50 ngayon, its already a good unit. 75k for a 60" parang ok na din na price. di lang ako makatulog na magpalit kasi ang naiisi ko is VT60, I wont settle for the ST60, 2x the price, pero "parang" hindi ganun kalaki ang jump ng overall PQ, I may be mistaken ha kasi di ko sila nakikita side by side.

DTNS · « **Reply #419 on:** Dec 02, 2013 at 08:37 PM »

Quote from: anchit on Dec 02, 2013 at 08:30 PM

Jammybabes I have a 60UT50 ngayon, its already a good unit. 75k for a 60" parang ok na din na price. di lang ako makatulog na magpalit kasi ang naiisi ko is VT60, I wont settle for the ST60, 2x the price, pero "parang" hindi ganun kalaki ang jump ng overall PQ, I may be mistaken ha kasi di ko sila nakikita side by side.

meron pang Panasonic 65ST30 sa LiS, nakita ko last Sunday dine-demo. I wasn't able to ask about its price though.