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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #720 on: Jan 27, 2007 at 03:44 PM »
great news from universal for hddvd, my prob is they say more than 90 percent will be combos. I dont like combos, its added cost pa, I dont really get the combos strategy unless they are newly released movies and still not yet on SD, Il understand, but for example Scarface, they already have SD for this, Platinum edition (I think) too. So why the combo I dont really get universal. This strategy of theirs might backfire, IMO.  20 up to 25 dollars, I may pay, but above 25 bucks man thats a lot of money.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #721 on: Jan 27, 2007 at 10:49 PM »
Very few recent movies released lately by Universal did great at the Box Office.  :( :( Kaya di very enthusiatic yung reception sa mga latest titles sa list...Maganda pa yung mga oldies ;D ;D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #722 on: Jan 27, 2007 at 11:19 PM »
OMG more than 90 percent will be combos!  :-[ It seems they are forcing it down our throat so they can make more $. Killing 2 birds with 1 stone. Me too like others want the HD not combos...the high cost will make many to be hesitant in buying those tittles or simply more cautious & picky  >:(

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #723 on: Jan 28, 2007 at 06:25 AM »
they should sell it at a lower price if what they plan is to eventually replace all their SD releases with combos.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #724 on: Jan 28, 2007 at 08:41 AM »
I agree with Moks007. I don't mind getting newly released movies in combo and still not yet on SD but still very picky due to its price. It's baloney for those movies that already released previously in SD DVD & yet still come out in HD-DVD. If the concerned movie are popular, then most or majority people would have got the SD DVD anyway... so there's no reason for the studios to force the combo issue dba >:(

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I4U Words of Wisdom: Blu-ray Versus HD DVD
« Reply #725 on: Jan 28, 2007 at 12:18 PM »
Words of Wisdom: Blu-ray Versus HD DVD. Source I4U

Should I buy a Blu-ray or HD DVD player? Running a Technology News Site, I get this question all the time. In an attempt to give a short and compact answer to this monumental question here are the I4U Words of Wisdom to help you make your decision:

1. If you want/have a Sony PS3 you get/got Blu-ray.

2. If you have an Xbox 360, get the Xbox 360 HD DVD player.

3. If you do not want to decide for either one get the LG BH100.

4. It is cheaper to buy a Blu-ray player ($599.99) and a HD DVD player ($379.88) than to buy the LG BH100 ($1,199.99).

5. Yes, you have a problem. Most HD movies are only available in either one of the two rivaling formats.

6. The list of HD DVD Movies is on this site.

7. The list of Blu-ray Movies is on this site.

8. Yes, the experience to watch a high definition movie is dramatically better than a standard DVD movie.

9. If you do not have a HDTV or HD-ready projector you do not need either one of them.

10. If you can wait to enjoy high definition movies at home, wait for cheaper and better players and go to the cinema, they need your support.

Full article & links: http://www.i4u.com/article7753.html

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Blu-Ray Likes Porn After All
« Reply #726 on: Jan 28, 2007 at 12:24 PM »
Blu-Ray Likes Porn After All

Written by Kaonashi
Published January 27, 2007

"Sony seemed doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past, for it has been argued that one of the deciding factors between the Betamax vs. VHS format war was when the adult movie industry put their support behind VHS.

Well, it looks like Sony woke up and smelled the coffee."

Full article: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/01/27/133536.php

Here we go again... :P

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #727 on: Jan 28, 2007 at 01:57 PM »
The article is not accurate.  It seems to treat Sony and the BDA as one and the same entity.

Marty Gordon is Vice Chair of BDA US Promotions Committee, and is therefore speaking on behalf of the BDA, not Sony itself:

"The BDA welcomes the participation of all companies interested in using and supporting the format, particularly those from the content industry," said the BDA's Gordon. "We look forward to working with any content providers interested in providing their audience with [the] best possible high definition home entertainment experience." http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Blu-ray_Refutes_Claims_of_Porn_Ban_Vivid_Plans_First_High-Def_Release/437

That's BDA's official stand as a collective body, presumably by majority vote of all board members.



However, Sony itself, as an entity separate and distrinct from BDA, has a different official policy:

Sony announced that it won't allow its subsidiary, Sony DADC Global, from producing any adult film titles.  http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/bluray-porn-update-not-getting-it-on-230134.php
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/8763/52/
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #728 on: Jan 28, 2007 at 04:08 PM »
In the link I provided earier, it also states exactly what you had put down regarding Marty Gordon's statement on BDA's committment.  ;D
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #729 on: Jan 29, 2007 at 01:31 AM »
That's correct.  Your Jan. 28, 2007 post is actually the third post that mentions the Marty Gordon quote.  I posted the articles one after the other for emphasis - to present a sharp comparison between BDA's position and Sony's position.

The truth of the matter is that my Jan. 28, 2007 comment, which includes the Marty Gordon quote, was merely copied and pasted from my earlier post on Jan. 20, 2007:

Blu ray: Porn or no porn?

Conflicting reports have caused confusion.  To put things in their proper perspective, here's a brief rundown of the press reports to date:

1)  Joone (Digital Playground founder and adult movie director) said last year that he had an agreement with Sony for publication of movies on Blu-Ray.  Later, U.S. Blu-Ray Disc copying facilities refused to work with him. Joone now says that according to those companies, Sony threatened to revoke their Blu-Ray licenses should they publish adult content in Blu-Ray format.  http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/01/13/155907.php

Note that the news report was based on an interview with Joone, so it was nothing more than hearsay.  Nevertheless, his statement made the rounds in tech circles, coupled with predictions of Blu ray's early demise.

2)  Presumably rattled by all the gossip, the Blu ray Disc Association (BDA) shifted into damage control mode and issued the following statement:

"The BDA welcomes the participation of all companies interested in using and supporting the format, particularly those from the content industry," said the BDA's Gordon. "We look forward to working with any content providers interested in providing their audience with [the] best possible high definition home entertainment experience." http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Blu-ray_Refutes_Claims_of_Porn_Ban_Vivid_Plans_First_High-Def_Release/437

It's an official official press release this time, but note that this official statement came from BDA, not Sony itself.

Just when you thought that the issue has been satisfactorily clarified, here comes the latest tech news:

3) Sony announced that it won't allow its subsidiary, Sony DADC Global, from producing any adult film titles.  http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/bluray-porn-update-not-getting-it-on-230134.php
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/8763/52/

Read your link again: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/01/27/133536.php.  Note that the blogcritics article discussed #1 and #2 (Joone's statement and Gordon's statement), but it did not get to #3 (Sony DADC Global).  Surprisingly, the blogcritics article was more recent [Jan. 27, 2007], yet it contained older news.




But the credit goes to sir Mouldingo for being the very first to cite the Marty Gordon quote in his Jan. 17, 2007 post: 

Blu-ray Refutes Claims of Porn Ban; Vivid Plans First High-Def Release

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Without responding directly to Digital Playground's claims, Marty Gordon, vicechair of the Blu-ray Disc Association US Promotions Committee emphasized in a statement to Ars Technica that the Sony-backed organization is committed to working with "all" content providers.

"The BDA welcomes the participation of all companies interested in using and supporting the format, particularly those from the content industry," said the BDA's Gordon. "We look forward to working with any content providers interested in providing their audience with [the] best possible high definition home entertainment experience."

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #730 on: Jan 29, 2007 at 07:29 AM »
Yup, like i said earlier, when it comes to the BluRay's direction as a format, it's the BDA that call the shots, not individual companies like Sony. No individual company owns BluRay. It's a misconception that most people have. Sony can banter all they want but the one that we'll really take as word of law with regard to the format is BDA's.

But we have to take note that BDA's concern is only the format's direction exclusively. Individual companies are still free to decide what is beneficial for their company. Dell is a member of the Board of Directors, yet they bundled some of their units with an HD DVD drive. BDA opens their format to whatever industry that wants to use it, but they can't force their individual members to do the same. Sony can enforce their own restrictions in licensing and distribution and Disney and the porn industry won't ever be bed partners.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #731 on: Jan 29, 2007 at 10:43 AM »
That's right.

Blu ray disc manufacturer Sony DADC Global will not produce BD with porn content, because Sony DADC Global is a Sony subsidiary. 

However, a porn producer can still get his content on Blu ray.  Since the BDA does not prohibit porn, other manufacturers that are not Sony subsidiaries will be willing to manufacture the discs. 
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #732 on: Jan 29, 2007 at 11:31 AM »
Blu ray disc manufacturer Sony DADC Global will not produce BD with porn content, because Sony DADC Global is a Sony subsidiary. 

Yup, I think that has been confirmed by no less than Sony.   
 
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However, a porn producer can still get his content on Blu ray.  Since the BDA does not prohibit porn, other manufacturers that are not Sony subsidiaries will be willing to manufacture the discs. 

Sony warns that any BD replicator who produces porn titles will have its license revoked.  Is that limited only to Sony DADC?   It sounds like the threat applies to ALL replicators currently holding BD licenses.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #733 on: Jan 29, 2007 at 12:09 PM »
Sony warns that any BD replicator who produces porn titles will have its license revoked.  Is that limited only to Sony DADC?   It sounds like the threat applies to ALL replicators currently holding BD licenses.

The source of the alleged Sony warning is Joone, an adult movie director and founder of Digital Playground.  Considering that to date, no confirmation from a more reliable source has surfaced, Joone's statement is nothing more than hearsay and therefore has limited value. 

BDA has indirectly denied it.  On the other hand, Sony stated that it will not produce porn on Sony DADC Global, but it has not officially commented on the allegation that it has threatened to revoke BD licenses.     
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #734 on: Jan 29, 2007 at 12:34 PM »
I just donwloaded the BDA charter from here:

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/downloadablefile/BDA_Charter(version1.0)-13035.pdf

There's a clause there that says BDA members will agree to grant "irrevocable" rights to any entity the BDA authorizes to issue license for the use of BD.  So it seems to me that the Sony threat is all bluster and can't revoke licenses unilaterally.  Did I interpret that right? 



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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #735 on: Jan 29, 2007 at 12:44 PM »
Yup. At most what Sony can do is to revoke licenses to Sony-produced replicating machines. If the pron industry uses Samsung or Phillips ones, then all Sony can do is suck their thumbs and cry.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #736 on: Jan 29, 2007 at 03:31 PM »
I just donwloaded the BDA charter from here:

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/downloadablefile/BDA_Charter(version1.0)-13035.pdf

There's a clause there that says BDA members will agree to grant "irrevocable" rights to any entity the BDA authorizes to issue license for the use of BD.  So it seems to me that the Sony threat is all bluster and can't revoke licenses unilaterally.  Did I interpret that right? 

Ang tindi mo naman, bosing -- nakita mo pa yung Charter nila!

I didn't read the whole thing; I just browsed it.  Chap. IV, Clause 13, Par. 3 states:

"All FC Members hereby grant an irrevocable, perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive and royalty-free right to an entity appointed by the BOD to grant licenses under FC Members’ copyrights on any Blu-ray Disc Format pursuant to the terms and conditions determined by the BOD on a reasonable and non-discriminatory basis to all interested parties to (i) develop and promote any such Blu-ray Disc Format, (ii) internally evaluate any Blu-ray Format to explore the feasibility of future development and/manufacture of products in compliance with the Blu-ray Disc Format or any other commercial activity that would benefit from the utilization of the Blu-ray Disc Format and/or (iii) use, develop, manufacture, have manufactured, sell, offer for sale, export, import or otherwise dispose of products that are in full compliance with any Blu-ray Disc Format."


As I understand it, what is "irrevocable" is not the license itself, but the BOD's (Board of Directors?) appointment of an entity that will grant those licenses.

Thus, it appears from the quoted paragraph that:  (a) The BOD appoints an entity; (b) The appointed entity gets a right to grant licenses "to all interested parties"; and (c) The appointed entity's right to grant licenses includes the right to license the "manufacture ... of products that are in full compliance with any Blu-ray Disc Format".

Let's apply the provision to the following situation:

The BOD appoints Sony as a licensor.  The appointment is irrevocable.  Sony issues a license to Company X to master, author and replicate discs with a "no-porn" stipulation in the license contract.  May Sony revoke the license for violation of the license contract? --- Yes.

Is the license of Company X irrevocable?  --- As a general rule, no. But that depends on the agreement between Sony and Company X.   Chap. IV, Clause 13, Par. 3 of the BDA Charter cannot be properly invoked to support the theory that the license of Company X is "irrevocable" because under the cited provision, what is irrevocable is the appointment of Sony as a licensor, but the said provision is silent as to whether the license granted by Sony to Company X is revocable or not.

Now, let's go to the situation contemplated by sir iampoch:

The BOD appoints Samsung as a licensor.  Samsung issues a license to Company Y to master, author and replicate discs.  May Sony revoke Company Y's license on the ground that Sony's licenses contain a prohibition against porn? --- Of course not.  There is no privity of contract between Sony and Company Y.  In other words, the agreement was between Samsung and Company Y, and Sony has no part in it.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #737 on: Jan 30, 2007 at 09:14 AM »
from avsforum:

Warner has released its HD DVD and Blu-ray slate for France.

Here's the titles from that list that haven't been announced or released in North America yet.

Note that some titles are released by Warner in Europe whereas they are distributed by other studio in America (such as The Island or The Prestige).

April 25
The Island

May
Flags of Our Fathers

June
The Prestige
Natural Born Killers
Matrix (In-Movie-Experience) (HD DVD only)

July
Mad Max 2
Matrix Reloaded (IME) (HD DVD only)

August
The Goonies
Matrix Revolutions (IME) (HD DVD only)

Letters from Iwo Jima

September
L.A. Confidential
Blade Runner
Poltergeist

300 (IME) (HD DVD only)
Blood Diamond (HD DVD only)
Zodiac

October
Dirty Harry
The Enforcer
Sudden Impact
Magnum force
The Dead Pool

Music and Lyrics
The Reaping

November
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (IME) (HD DVD only)
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire(IME) (HD DVD only)
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (IME) (HD DVD only)
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (IME) (HD DVD only)

December
2001 A Space Odyssey
A Clockwork Orange
Eyes Wide Shut
Ocean's eleven (1960)
Ocean's eleven (2001)
Ocean's twelve
The Shining
The Wizard of Oz

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #738 on: Jan 30, 2007 at 11:09 AM »
Ang tindi mo naman, bosing -- nakita mo pa yung Charter nila!


He he, just curious.  ;D  I am just not sure if the license to replicate BDs falls uncer clause 13, 14 or 15.  On second thought, it might fall under "Patent IPRs" of clause 15 where there's no reference to "irrevocable." 

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« Reply #739 on: Jan 30, 2007 at 01:06 PM »
Yup, I think that has been confirmed by no less than Sony.   
 
Sony warns that any BD replicator who produces porn titles will have its license revoked.  Is that limited only to Sony DADC?   It sounds like the threat applies to ALL replicators currently holding BD licenses.

From what it looks like, it would seem that the no-porn restriction would only apply to Sony DADC.  While Sony DADC isn't the only BD replicator (as Panasonic also has replication factories), the problem is that Sony DADC is by far the biggest BD replicator and without them adult studios would have a hard time getting BD titles out in large enough quantities.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #740 on: Jan 30, 2007 at 10:00 PM »
Malaki na pala yung bagsak ng presyo ng PS3 60 GB sa Mega Mall. Depende na daw kung ano yung freebies na kasama. Lowest and available in stock sa DataBlitz for 37,900 PhP cash basis, with one free game and one controller. Noong December lang it was going at 54K. ::) ::)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #741 on: Jan 30, 2007 at 10:08 PM »
they have to bring the price down, with a few games available its hard for people to cough up the dough, that is if they plan to just use the ps3 for gaming. 8)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #742 on: Jan 31, 2007 at 07:39 AM »
Yup, sobra ginahaman kasi nila e :) Like TK binebenta ng 60k, pero USD600 was less than 30k at that time. may idiot nga dati sa bidshot na nagbenta ng PS3 ng 100k e, tapos 130k pa yung buy now price nya  :D tinira nga sya ng tinira dun sa posts e  ;D ;D ;D BTW, more great games coming this March  ;D

Well, ako wala pa nabibili na BluRay, medyo mahal pa e. Meron nagbebenta sa Megamall prices range from 1.6-2.5k depende sa title. Not much title to warrant that purchase, yung pinaka-ok na title for BluRay dun is X-Men 3. I didn't jump for joy sa Superman Returns, kinda sucked IMO. Tapos yung excellent na Batman Begins is exclusively HD DVD pa :(

I'm waiting for either a Lord of the Rings Collection or Star Wars Collection. Yung Star Wars ilalabas daw sa 30th Anniv pa ng franchise, and that's in 2009 pa if i recall correctly. Sana by that time bumaba na price ng next-gen format (if a standard hasn't emerged already by that time, that is). Lord of the Rings would most likely be coming out in both formats since it's by New Line Cinema, which is a subsidiary of Warner Bros. But I think we'll be seeing an HD DVD version of it first, though.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #743 on: Jan 31, 2007 at 07:42 AM »
someone selling 60gb at 35k sa pinoypsx........

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #744 on: Jan 31, 2007 at 07:43 AM »
someone selling 60gb at 35k sa pinoypsx........

actually 33.5k na lang  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #745 on: Jan 31, 2007 at 02:23 PM »
33k na lang daw hehe ;D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #746 on: Jan 31, 2007 at 02:30 PM »
33k na lang daw hehe ;D

Kakagatin ko na sana kaso di US Version.
Asian version eh.
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« Reply #747 on: Jan 31, 2007 at 02:37 PM »
oo nga, lalo na if you plan to play US PS2 games. Pero if you just plan to play PS3 games it doesnt matter. Pero movie wise ok na ung asian

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #748 on: Jan 31, 2007 at 04:00 PM »
Kaso the PS3 Servers are not yet unified eh.
If you plan to play online using an Asian PS3, you will be connected to an asian server.
Same applies to the PS Store.

You will be connected to a Regional PS Store depending on your unit.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #749 on: Jan 31, 2007 at 04:49 PM »
Kaso the PS3 Servers are not yet unified eh.
If you plan to play online using an Asian PS3, you will be connected to an asian server.
Same applies to the PS Store.

You will be connected to a Regional PS Store depending on your unit.


Really?  Ganun pa ba ka-crude ang infrastructure ng Sony online gaming?  d**n, milya milya pa pala ang hahabulin ng Sony to reach the level of Xbox Live.

What if I have a Japanese unit, I won't even be able to play with Asians? Well I suppose the user base in Japan is bigger than Asia at the moment.  60GB version can be had for the equivalent of about 24K pesos nowadays in Tokyo, and ang dali na talagang bumili kahit saan.  Wii is really it in Japan!!!  and Nintendo DS of course!  Those Nintendo designers are real gaming geniuses.


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