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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1380 on: Sep 16, 2007 at 01:32 AM »
I rarely peek at this this thread......and now Iam laughing for 2 straight minutes now  :D  :D  :D

That was a nice ice breaker.  ;D 

Ok..continue the war. c",)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1381 on: Sep 16, 2007 at 08:52 AM »
Tol!  you! are in the wrong!  thread!  You!  don't have to tell us!  that you're!  new here!  ?  we can!  figure that out! for ourselves! ?


LOL! what! a reception you! gave! the newbie!!


...para hindi OT, theres a new technology brewing which is about 50x better than hdtv and the bluray/hdtv palyers might soon be obsolete.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1382 on: Sep 16, 2007 at 09:34 AM »
theres a new technology brewing which is about 50x better than hdtv and the bluray/hdtv palyers might soon be obsolete.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1383 on: Sep 16, 2007 at 09:59 AM »
i was reading news somewhere (i cant remember the site since i came across it at random) that theres a japanese researcher that made a technology for tv about 20x (ok ok so the 50x was grossly exaggerated) better than hdtv. Now IMO, with that kind of technology, the current br/hdtv players would be insuffiecient to store data for playing at that rate. Some company would start producing/marketing the new players that will tramp the current ones. But this is still far-off, somewhere around 4yrs from now. Id like to think of the bluray/hdtv format as similar to laserdisc. Hence im staying away except for the PS3. ;D
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1384 on: Sep 16, 2007 at 10:13 AM »
i was reading news somewhere (i cant remember the site since i came across it at random) that theres a japanese researcher that made a technology for tv about 20x (ok ok so the 50x was grossly exaggerated) better than hdtv. Now IMO, with that kind of technology, the current br/hdtv players would be insuffiecient to store data for playing at that rate. Some company would start producing/marketing the new players that will tramp the current ones. But this is still far-off, somewhere around 4yrs from now. Id like to think of the bluray/hdtv format as similar to laserdisc. Hence im staying away except for the PS3. ;D
even if it is 20x better than Blu-ray or HD DVD.......Hollywood studios and big time electronics giants like Sony and Toshiba have already invested a lot into this two formats, and will unlikely withdraw support in favor of new technology.   No support from Hollywood and CE companies, no go for that technology.

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« Reply #1385 on: Sep 16, 2007 at 10:21 AM »
...now thats another story ;)
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1386 on: Sep 16, 2007 at 11:19 AM »
according to research 1920x1080 is as good as we will ever need. any improvement above that will be hard for the human eye to distinguish  at regular viewing distances. the next area of improvement will be on the display side. tv's with 100,000:1 contrast ratio would yield a more lifelike picture.

kung 3D movie naman Mitsubishi and Philips are already developing a Blu-Ray player w/c can transform a 2D image into 3D w/o using 3D goggles:

Mitsubishi consumer Blu-ray 3D system

There has been much speculation recently on the imminent arrival of 3D technology into our homes, with a number of manufacturers promising to make this exiting new technology a reality in the near future. Overshadowed in the past by the likes of Philips, Mitsubishi has surprised consumers with the announcement that they are readying a system for general release.

Mitsubishi has announced that it is working on a Blu-ray player that will be able to turn standard 2D content into simulated 3D by using a technique to split the incoming picture ‘frames’ which are responsible for the picture you see on your TV.

Consumers will be pleased to know that the new technology does not require the use of those 3D goggles, which had their few minutes of fame back in the eighties when cinema goers were enticed out of their living room with the prospect of films such as jaws in 3D.

It looks like Mitsubishi are pulling out all the stops to be the first mainstream manufacturer to release a 3D system for consumers. Philips will no doubt point to the fact that their system, which offers a more refined viewing experience, will be worth waiting for.

Philips uses the familiar trick of mimicking our stereoscopic view of the real world by sending slightly different images to the left and right eye. But while the original 3-D movies relied on the special glasses to block images meant for each eye, WOWvx technology from Philips places tiny lenses over each of the millions of red, green and blue sub pixels that form an LCD or plasma screen. These lenses cause each sub pixel to project light at one of nine angles fanning out in front of the display.

No word yet on exact release dates or pricing, but we will keep you informed of any developments.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1387 on: Sep 17, 2007 at 07:33 PM »
was in china last week and got a glimpse of how the chinese are making the hardware and software so cheap as to make the format war just about academic.

for example, i viewed an hd-dvd player that costs less than 10k pesos. it has a usb input and can control an external drive. add a few k for a 250gb drive. i will stop na.

quality? spectacular, through a mitsubishi hc5000 firing onto a stewart screen.

You make me wanna................. :D

Were you at the factory? Sana you had some pics taken of the PQ.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1388 on: Sep 18, 2007 at 09:57 PM »
DaSilva, what's the brand of the Chinese HD DVD player?

Any photo taken during your trip?

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1389 on: Sep 19, 2007 at 06:42 AM »
brand was kaifa, not sure if i spelled it correctly. sorry no pix. it's black and slim, looks like a samsung dvdp.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1390 on: Sep 25, 2007 at 04:59 PM »
Blu-ray/HD DVD war to run another 18 months

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Sales of next-generation DVD players are not seen as likely to take off for another 18 months as consumers are still waiting for prices to fall and for the battle over two competing technologies to be resolved.

Referring to the high-definition DVD format war between HD DVD and Blu-ray, Forrester Research said in a report on Monday that while the two camps have "been fighting what seems to be a war of attrition for consumers' hearts and minds," few consumers are warming to either type of device.

Sony Corp (6758.T) backs the Blu-ray standard against Toshiba Corp's (6502.T) HD DVD.

Hollywood and electronics manufacturers hope new high-definition DVDs, with better picture quality and more capacity, will revive the slowing $24 billion home DVD market.

But the format war has curbed adoption in a way reminiscent of the Betamax-VHS videotape format battle of the early 1980s, experts say.

Forrester analyst J.P. Gownder stood behind his company's view that Blu-ray would eventually win out over HD DVD, but he said the Blu-ray camp needs to cut prices.

A stand alone Blu-ray player sells for about $500, while HD DVD players cost about $400, and prices are expected to drop further as the holiday shopping season nears.

Gownder said Blu-ray's content advantages are somewhat diminished since the recent decision by Viacom Inc's (VIAb.N) Paramount studio to commit exclusively to HD DVD. HD DVD hardware prices have also dropped into consumers' preferred price range, he said.

"Weakened by these developments, Blu-ray needs to offer a viable hardware model at the $250 price point by Christmas 2007," he said in the report. "The Blu-ray camp must also stave off further studio defections, and employ more aggressive promotional tactics to counter HD DVD's recent momentum."

Forrester said typical owners of high-definition televisions are not willing to pay more than $200 on average for a new HD DVD or Blu-ray player.

"Failure to alter strategy would open up Blu-ray to a possible upset defeat at the hands of HD DVD," Gownder said.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1391 on: Oct 09, 2007 at 01:45 PM »
New Blu-ray Features Freeze Older Players; Updates Coming
By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews
October 5, 2007, 2:40 PM


With the next wave of interactive features having been added to 20th Century-Fox's latest Blu-Ray Disc releases, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer and The Day After Tomorrow, there was always a certain level of anticipation that some existing Blu-ray consoles would have trouble, especially the first-generation editions. Surprisingly, it's the second generation which is seeing some early problems, with reports from owners of Samsung's BD-P1200 that they can't play either of these titles.

http://www.betanews.com/article/New_Bluray_Features_Freeze_Older_Players_Updates_Coming/1191609316

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1035
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1392 on: Nov 07, 2007 at 04:26 PM »
How HD DVD Got its Groove Back

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews. November 7, 2007, 12:01 AM
ANALYSIS: Sources close to retailers indicate that Toshiba sold over 90,000 $99 HD DVD players over the weekend, and that figure only represents a portion of the retailers that participated in the frenzy.

According to Video Business, the 90,000 count includes Toshiba HD-A2 players sold at Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and Circuit City along with a few other brick and mortar outlets. But it apparently doesn't include online retailers who also participated in the price drop, such as Amazon.com.

BetaNews' own estimates placed sales at around 40,000 to 70,000 within Wal-Mart alone based on information compiled about stocks at the discount retailer's various locations around the country.

Wal-Mart's move spurred a retailer war over prices of the players, even bringing down the cost of other models as a result when HD-A2 stocks depleted. It's fairly likely that total sales of all HD DVD players eclipsed the 100,000 mark during just the past week.

Sales of the Toshiba HD-A3, the successor to the HD-A2, appeared to be equally brisk, with many retailers selling out of their stocks quickly after the older model became hard to find. At many locations, the newer player was selling for $199 - $100 off its original retail price.

Furthermore, sales of the HD-A2 alone over the past few days are nearly equivalent to total sales of the top Blu-ray player, Sony's BDP-S300, which has shipped 100,000 units since its introduction over the summer. BetaNews has a request in with Toshiba for full sales numbers, but the company thus far has not provided specific figures.

It All Comes Down to Price
Over the weekend, BetaNews talked to several new-to-HD disc consumers and there was almost a universal reaction that price was the primary factor behind the purchases. Buying an HD DVD player, however, did not necessarily mean the door was shut to Blu-ray.

"I was waiting on the price to come down on the hardware to where i thought the return on investment was there, because I know lots of money will be spent on software once I had a player," Mike Taylor of Park City, Utah told BetaNews.

The story was the same from David Balfoort of Syracuse and David Lazerson of Cape Coral, Florida. While Lazerson remains open to Blu-ray if the price drops below $250, Balfoort says he'd only consider the opposite format if it "wins the war."

Another interesting finding of the interviews was that no one felt worried about their purchase, despite the future of high-definition discs remaining up in the air. "I'm not nervous at all about the purchase," Lazerson said, pointing to the upconversion feature of the player, which he noted alone makes it worth the $98 purchase price.

Balfoort, who already had a extensive home theater, said that an HD movie player was the last piece of the puzzle. "I generally purchase a DVD player every 12-18 months so there was no nervousness involved," he told BetaNews.

Blu-ray's Dilemma
Through these interviews, it seems clear that Sony's recent offerings of a small price cut this holiday may not be enough to counter what could be increasing momentum for HD DVD. With so many new players now in consumers' hands, it can only be expected that disc sales will increase as well.

Multiple studies show that the PlayStation 3 alone will not be enough to keep the Blu-ray format afloat. Six out of ten users aren't even aware that the device can play Blu-ray movies, and out of the remaining four, only two had actually used the player in the past month to play a disc, according to NPD Group.

In addition, a rising number of HD DVD owners will make it hard for Sony to make the case to both retailers and studios to support its format exclusively. Consumer demand will keep HD DVD on the radar of the studios who currently support it, and will give the format leverage to lure new studios in.

It is not out of the question that this past weekend's moves by Wal-Mart have in the very least extended the format war much longer than many Blu-ray supporters would have imagined, and very well could have provided the needed momentum toward a successful conclusion for those in HD DVD's camp.

"Wal-Mart doesn't have these sales for no reason, there's always a business aspect," an employee told BetaNews on Friday while customers waited in line to snap up a $99 HD DVD player. "You can fully expect that this will be the price next year; they are always ahead of the curve on that."

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1393 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 11:35 AM »
even if it is 20x better than Blu-ray or HD DVD.......Hollywood studios and big time electronics giants like Sony and Toshiba have already invested a lot into this two formats, and will unlikely withdraw support in favor of new technology.   No support from Hollywood and CE companies, no go for that technology.

Steven Seagal also said that electric cars have been invented since the 60's but the oil cartels dont let this tech out.  :D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1394 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 11:57 AM »
Format war fanboys shut down AVS Forum

Anyone who's ever visited AVS Forum--probably the largest online forum for audio/visual discussion--knows that people can get carried away. And anyone who has dared to venture in the HD DVD and Blu-ray forum is well aware of rampant fanboy flame wars--the kind that used to be reserved for game consoles.

Well apparently a couple of the AV geeks have gone too far, which has led to AVS Forum moderators to completely shut down the HD DVD and Blu-ray forums until the end of the week. And in case you think it's an overreaction, check out this quote from the letter they posted to AVS members:

"We have seen members attacking other members not only in debate, which is the right way, but with physical threats that have involved police and possible legal action."

Wow. The format war has gotten pretty ugly between Blu-ray and HD DVD, but this is the first instance of physical threats that we're aware of. We're also sure it's no coincidence this shutdown has occurred directly following the $99 HD DVD player sale at Wal-Mart and Best Buy--which is just like pouring gasoline on the already raging flame wars.

Since AVS Forum is always an interesting place to see exactly what's brewing in the rumor mill, let's hope cooler heads prevail so everyone can get back to discussing the new high-def disc formats.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1395 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 12:28 PM »
Format war fanboys shut down AVS Forum


Those kind of people definitely need to get some sunlight, the Metro Manila sun (heat) type para masakit sa balat.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1396 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 01:03 PM »
Those kind of people definitely need to get some sunlight, the Metro Manila sun (heat) type para masakit sa balat.

there gonna be needing a whole lot of SUNSHINE!!!! hahahahahaha but for me..best option is to just go neutral, and get the best of both worlds..
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1397 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 01:14 PM »
Very pathetic those fanboys took the format war so serious until to the extend of abuse... :(

Yeah, they need to get a fresh lives soon...before insanity sunk it deepen into their heads. :-[

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1398 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 01:51 PM »
there gonna be needing a whole lot of SUNSHINE!!!! hahahahahaha but for me..best option is to just go neutral, and get the best of both worlds..
Here in PinoyDVD, fanboyism is nearly dead, almost all HD enthusiasts have gone neutral, and all seems to be happy with it. Notice how this thread slowed down.........Be Happy, Go Neutral!!!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1399 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 01:53 PM »
Hehe I agree. Since we all can live hapily together sharing our HD passion, there's no reason why the Blue & Red pills can't co-exist together....the more the merrier noh! After all, lives are too short...ya I wana be happy. ;D
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1400 on: Nov 09, 2007 at 02:05 AM »
Hehe I agree. Since we all can live hapily together sharing our HD passion, there's no reason why the Blue & Red pills can co-exist together....the more the merrier noh! After all, lives are too short...ya I wana be happy. ;D

i salute to that sir Paul..i salute to that
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1401 on: Nov 09, 2007 at 07:44 AM »
amen, spend more time watching movies than argue to which is better i say :)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1402 on: Nov 10, 2007 at 02:08 PM »
I read on the news that Paramount and Dreamworks has suddenly changed sides from Blu Ray, they are now going for HDDVD only.  :)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1403 on: Nov 10, 2007 at 06:59 PM »
You don't have to read the news ...  just read pinoydvd.  ;)

Paramount and Dreamworks to Exclusively Support HD DVD!
 « on: Aug 21, 2007 at 02:47 AM »
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=70087.msg719773#msg719773


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After we got so used to Sony's repeated declarations of victory for Blu-ray, Howard Stringer's more realistic assessment is refreshing: 


Saturday, Nov. 10, 2007
Hi-def format war a 'stalemate': Stringer

NEW YORK (AP) The head of Sony Corp., Howard Stringer, said the Blu-ray disc format the company has developed as the successor to the DVD is in a "stalemate" with the competing HD DVD format, chiefly backed by Toshiba Corp. and Microsoft Corp.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/rss/nb20071110a2.html


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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1404 on: Nov 10, 2007 at 07:03 PM »
Saturday, Nov. 10, 2007
Hi-def format war a 'stalemate': Stringer

NEW YORK (AP) The head of Sony Corp., Howard Stringer, said the Blu-ray disc format the company has developed as the successor to the DVD is in a "stalemate" with the competing HD DVD format, chiefly backed by Toshiba Corp. and Microsoft Corp.

Nice to know that, the war will indeed rage on for a long time... :)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1405 on: Nov 10, 2007 at 07:09 PM »
Interesting comments on cepro - http://www.cepro.com/article/sony_blu_ray_hd_dvd_format_war_a_stalemate/


For example:

Posted by Harold Frothing  on  11/09  at  12:26 PM
This is a definite change from the confident “We’re going win” / “It’s over. We’ve won.” Sony we’re used to hearing from.

For Sony to say this means that things may have been tied up and Sony might even have been humbled somewhat in this experience.



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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1406 on: Nov 12, 2007 at 07:34 AM »
Nice to know that, the war will indeed rage on for a long time... :)

which is a good thing because prices will continue to drop!!! which means less money fro us to spend!!  ;D
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1407 on: Nov 12, 2007 at 08:19 AM »
Probably it's the other way...when software prices drop....we might actually spend more... :P ;D

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« Reply #1408 on: Nov 12, 2007 at 12:05 PM »
Analysis:

Did Sony's CEO Dig Blu-Ray's Grave, or Was This Just a Series of Idiotic Events?
Nov. 12, 2007 by  Christopher Hogg

Sony let its guard down for a millisecond, and it's going to take a beating for it. The head of Sony told the media the high-def DVD battle was in a stalemate. He also said he wished he would have collaborated with Toshiba rather than competing. What?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/246067/Did_Sony_s_CEO_Dig_Blu_Ray_s_Grave_or_Was_This_Just_a_Series_of_Idiotic_Events_
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1409 on: Nov 12, 2007 at 01:44 PM »
Microsoft, Toshiba Working on New Xbox Entertainment Device:

The report cites insiders at Toshiba who say that the new Xbox will feature a built in HD DVD player, wireless networking, 1080p playback, a large hard drive, and possibly a dual HDTV tuner and an electronic programming guide.

Source: http://www.cepro.com/article/report_microsoft_toshiba_working_on_new_xbox_entertainment_device/K294