Topic: Pioneer DV-600AV-S (1080p upscaling dvd player)

[reynold]

Looks plausible...  Sounds 'lossy' though.  With the number of interconnects, one would eventually worry about signal degradation.
Why not go direct - HDMI OUT to COMPONENT IN. 

Saan nakakabili nito bro? how much?

[Marl☆1]

Saan nakakabili nito bro? how much?

Sorry bro my bad.  It's a gaming cable pala and not a true hdmi to cvi line.  Tried searching and it seems the only one which exists is the HDMI to DVI and DVI to CVI.  As such it appears that edboy7's proposal is the best workaround. 

There is some developmental news however via the grapevine:
http://gaming.engadget.com/2007/03/29/microsoft-prepping-component-to-hdmi-adapter/
I won't hold my breath though if I were you. 

[reynold]

Sorry bro my bad.  It's a gaming cable pala and not a true hdmi to cvi line.  Tried searching and it seems the only one which exists is the HDMI to DVI and DVI to CVI.  As such it appears that edboy7's proposal is the best workaround. 

There is some developmental news however via the grapevine:
http://gaming.engadget.com/2007/03/29/microsoft-prepping-component-to-hdmi-adapter/
I won't hold my breath though if I were you. 

No problem bro, abang-abang na lang ako, thanks

[odyopayl]

Up ko lang po....

tagal ko nang di nakasali sa dv600 via coax to avr discussion ah...

question lang mga sir... with the current set-up above sobrang gandang ganda ako sa sound if i'm playing dvd movies, dvd concerts and dvd music videos (with dolby digital or dts)... but if i play audio cd parang iba ang quality (seems kulang sa base... mas mahina ang LFE sound compared to dvd play... although same set-up naman while playing dvd), although hindi na dolby digital or dts ang nadedetect na source ng avr... its stereo instead... i tried switching to 7 channel stereo, pero hindi parin lumakas yung base... lumakas lang yung volume kasi pati sa surround may music na akong naririnig...

heto tuloy speculations ko...
1. normal audio cd kasi pineplay ko.... mas okay siguro ang pio600 in playing SAcd
2. need to switch to analog while playing cd... kasi using normal audio cd sa aiwa audio component namin maganda naman ang sound (with very good LFE sound).
3. sobrang maganda talaga ang dvd so hindi ko dapat i-compare ang sound to normal audio cd... pero may hesitation ako dito kasi gaya nga ng namention ko sa number 2, using cd player audio component comparable na ang sound ng normal cd to dvd playing in pio600.

Eksi try ko sagutin inquiries mo. First, there are difference in the playback resolution of your source, SACD, DVD-A, DTS-CD are recorded in high resolution format compared to our redbook CD's, but it doesn't mean they sounded better.
Basically digital playback requires D/A converter to hear them, If you are using HDMI or Coax/tosslink output of your source connecting your A/V Amp. these are digital outputs. That means, your A/VReceiver doing the D/A conversion.
Pls. note that the following source doesn't have digital output, only analog (LR/5.1)
* DVD-A
* SACD
You need to use many cables connecting your A/V amp thru 5/6 channel input
Now lets go back to your questions:

1. normal audio cd kasi pineplay ko.... mas okay siguro ang pio600 in playing SAcd
I believe you are using the analog output of your player in playing your SACD then you compare your CD playback using digital connection, you mentioned that sounds get better if you connect your CD playback using the analog signal. This means your player has a better D/A converter than your A/V receiver.

2. need to switch to analog while playing cd... kasi using normal audio cd sa aiwa audio component namin maganda naman ang sound (with very good LFE sound). Assumin you are using the same player in the playback of your CD's & SACD this means your player have better D/A converter than your A/V receiver, better leave it this way.

3. sobrang maganda talaga ang dvd so hindi ko dapat i-compare ang sound to normal audio cd... pero may hesitation ako dito kasi gaya nga ng namention ko sa number 2, using cd player audio component comparable na ang sound ng normal cd to dvd playing in pio600.
Might the number 1&2 answers this question.
For me two channel set-up sounds natural to me compare to muli-channel audio set-up. I didn't mean they are not good it's just a different listening experience when listening to multi-channel but I prefer the 2 channel whatever the source I have SACD or DVD-A.
By the way, DV600 is not good in multi channel playback of both SACD & DVD-A in my experience.

[eksi]

thanks odyopayl...

actually... i have not yet tried connected pio600 to AVR using analog, just a plan... but i will try tomorrow to know which has better decoder (player vs AVR)...

[chris69ners]

Yes, there is a volume control on the remote of the amp (not DVDp) and the amp itself.

You can adjust the settings from your DVD player. I dont get  what you mean exactly by adjusting audio outs. but if you mean adjusting the volume balance of each channel on the amp, yes there is a function that can do that.

So wala pala shang master vol control sa mismong pio dvd player remote. Fixed pala output vol ng 5.1 analog output nya.

[theedge]

Sorry to the mods also but since the selling section is still down, I am selling my Pioneer DV-600AV-S for 5k Purchased last month only. Pls pm me only if interested. Thank you

[mykel18]

Guys help naman. Nagupscale ba ng video ang xbox360? Kasi when I'm watching dvd on my 42pv70 using the xbox360 ang ganda ng pq pero when I'm watching using my pio dv-300 hindi ganun kaganda yung pq. Both were connected using component cable. Yung xbox360 is nakaoutput sya at 720p pero pag nagplay naman na yung movie e lumilitaw na 480p lang. Yung pio dv-300 naman nakaprogressive scan. Hope someone could enlighten me on the difference between the two.

[Grimlock]

For CD listening, I just use Denon's 5 ch. stereo or Dolby Digital Pro Logic II settings. No volume adjustments done on the Pioneer player

Hi Grimlock, may i know what's the setting you use when you play CDs (such as surround, DSP setting etc.)

[Archie]

from doom9:

Think of your computer monitor right now: even though it's 1280x1024 (or whatever), you can play DVDs etc., right? Now if you connect your TV as a monitor, nothing has changed. Everything on your desktop is automatically "upscaled" all the time. No special programs needed.

Upscaling provides no benefit to movies.
If you took an old 35mm slide from the 60's and shine it on a 50' screen, do you suddenly get super hidef? It's the same crappy old slide spread over a larger area.

The only difference between a normal DVD player and an upscaling one is that in the first case, the TV does the upscaling internally, in the next case, the DVD player does the upscaling. Same result either way, a standard def picture spread over a larger pixel area.

Note: without getting too technical, the above only applies to plasma, lcd, dlp, both direct and projection technologies. Some tube TVs may react differently.

There are mathematical techniques called "super resolution", but you're not going to find that in any consumer DVD player.

Btw, most displays are *downscaling* because they can't show the full detail of HDTV! A typical LCD HDTV only has 1366x1024 pixels, which is less than the 1920x180 of hidef. A tube TV I measured always downgraded to 960x540, and plasma is often 1024x852 (IIRC).

hi all,
malayo ba ang pq when using an upscaler for the panny 42pv70?
i am deciding to buy dv600av or just hook up my old pc to the plasma tv.
can i achieve pq of dv600 with my pc using powerdvd, and using dvi to hdmi cable?
thanks

 

[eksi]

[quote mykel=mykel]Guys help naman. Nagupscale ba ng video ang xbox360? Kasi when I'm watching dvd on my 42pv70 using the xbox360 ang ganda ng pq pero when I'm watching using my pio dv-300 hindi ganun kaganda yung pq. Both were connected using component cable. Yung xbox360 is nakaoutput sya at 720p pero pag nagplay naman na yung movie e lumilitaw na 480p lang. Yung pio dv-300 naman nakaprogressive scan. Hope someone could enlighten me on the difference between the two.[/quote]

I have xbox360 connected to 32"lcd via component too... hindi po sya nag uupscale pero like your experience maganda ang pic quality. Xbox360 can output 1080p which depends on the source... since 480i/p lang ang native resolution ng dvds yun lang ang nadedetect ng display. I suggest get higher model of pio dvd player mas maganda pic quality compare to xbox360 (lalo na yung naguupscale via HDMI)... you can choose between dv400 or dv60

[quote grimlock=grimlock]For CD listening, I just use Denon's 5 ch. stereo or Dolby Digital Pro Logic II settings. No volume adjustments done on the Pioneer player
[/quote]

I'm using Denon AVR din po... okay po ba LFE using this settings?

[wild_swan73]

6200 to 6400.

Sir san po store available ung ganyang price??? TIA

[eksi]

was able to test avr analog connection earlier using XBOX 360... i found the sound (playing music: ipod, cds) better than pio 600 connected via coax... i will just dedicate my pio 600 in dvd watching... malamang maganda din for cd playback ang pio 600 (via analog) pero di ko na na-try (satisfied na kasi ako sa current set up ng pio 600 ko).... ciao!   

[xxadonisxx]

Sir san po store available ung ganyang price??? TIA

try theaterworks trinoma.

[Marl☆1]

Sir san po store available ung ganyang price??? TIA

Try SM Appliance Store outlets in Podium and Powerplant as well. 

[Ctlim]

Sir san po store available ung ganyang price??? TIA

v-mall. i think mine came from ambassador... or golden sound. my brother got it for me as he does business there and knows the owners. diba ninyo makuha at that price? pm me if not, I'll refer you and have the unit reserved.

[Archie]

ambassador 6500 last week.

still have not decided to buy am upscaler.

sabi daw forums minimal daw ang difference kung gamit ang mga $300 dvd upscalers for the newer hdtv models,
dapat daw yun mga above $1000 professional products.

[Marl☆1]

ambassador 6500 last week.

still have not decided to buy am upscaler.

sabi daw forums minimal daw ang difference kung gamit ang mga $300 dvd upscalers for the newer hdtv models,
dapat daw yun mga above $1000 professional products.

Wow $1000 budget.  For that dough, you can already go DEEP into the HD territory with a matching HD player (be it Bluray or HD-DVD), probably with a matching HDMI AVR to output TruHD tracks, and a couple of HD discs vs. playing around with DVD upconversion image manipulations.  Go for the pure HD source.  IMO, the 600 AV for the equivalent price tag of $160 is very much bang for your buck vs. a $300 or $1000 dvd upscaler.  Planning to spend anymore than that, better to invest in HD altogether.

[wild_swan73]

try theaterworks trinoma.

Try SM Appliance Store outlets in Podium and Powerplant as well. 

v-mall. i think mine came from ambassador... or golden sound. my brother got it for me as he does business there and knows the owners. diba ninyo makuha at that price? pm me if not, I'll refer you and have the unit reserved.

tnx for all d replies, sir maganda din po ung suggestion nyo ng referrals sa ambassador. what branch po b?

[rembrandt_ht]

it's a maxtor 200g HD. better check your enclosure or the connections. usually dun ang error. it wont work if its connected to a desktop- it should be a removable disk.

sir i have tried this solution don sa 80GB harddisk ko. problema lang di ko magawang i-format yong buong disk ng isang partition lang n FAT32 dahil pag nag-exceed na nag 30GB nire-require na ng system n ma-format sya ng NTFS. THough nagawa kong hatiin into 3 partitions ung 80GB formatted in FAT32 kaya lang isang partition lang nababasa ng DVD player ko. Can you help me to know how you were able to format yong 200G mo n nakikita ng DVD player mo? TIA.

[TeddyCuds]

if you are using Windows98, it can format a hd without partitioning. If you are using other OS, then have your hd reformatted either in Greenhills or other pc shops. My friend was able to have his 360G HD formatted to Fat32 without partition in one of the shops in Greenhills. Good luck bro.

[j0n]

sir i have tried this solution don sa 80GB harddisk ko. problema lang di ko magawang i-format yong buong disk ng isang partition lang n FAT32 dahil pag nag-exceed na nag 30GB nire-require na ng system n ma-format sya ng NTFS. THough nagawa kong hatiin into 3 partitions ung 80GB formatted in FAT32 kaya lang isang partition lang nababasa ng DVD player ko. Can you help me to know how you were able to format yong 200G mo n nakikita ng DVD player mo? TIA.

google swissknife

[IceTea]

Success! I can now view movies using the USB slot! download na ng mga HD movies! yahoo yahoo!

Which model of the Pioneer DVD is this?  400 or 600? 

[gunblade977]

question lang po.

If the avi files have AC3 encoding. will the dv400/dv600 also output in ac3/dolby digital?
Anyone has tried this?

[rembrandt_ht]

google swissknife

finally! got it running using swissknife. thnx a lot!

[byron]

Hi,

Can anyone advise how much a DV600 costs?

thanks!

[andre]

I notice when playing with flash drive or portable hd on a usb built in dvd player, They tend to freeze or skip when playing fast moving action scenes.

I think there devices are not yet USB 2.0.

[bhongskie]

guys matanong ko lang, how long does your pio DV600 shows the image on the screen from the time you load the disc?

when I load the disc, i wait for an average 12 or more seconds before something is displayed on the screen. ganun ba katagal talaga itong pio 600 mag display?  For some discs, i waited around 68 seconds bago may display. sobrang tagal.

[otepsy]

dv-600 users ask ko lang bakit kaya ang ang audio nakasulat pag negsekect ka ng audio is always 2.1 even though the track is 5.1 at ang nilalabas nya naman sa reciever is 5.1 nagtataka lang ako dahil lahat ng pinapanood ko lagi na lang 2.1 ang nakadisplay either dts or dolby ang speaker settings ko naman sa player is 5.1. bakit kaya?

[MAtZTER]

Wow $1000 budget.  For that dough, you can already go DEEP into the HD territory with a matching HD player (be it Bluray or HD-DVD), probably with a matching HDMI AVR to output TruHD tracks, and a couple of HD discs vs. playing around with DVD upconversion image manipulations.  Go for the pure HD source.  IMO, the 600 AV for the equivalent price tag of $160 is very much bang for your buck vs. a $300 or $1000 dvd upscaler.  Planning to spend anymore than that, better to invest in HD altogether.

Yes, for $1,000, just add $600 more and get the Onkyo 875 with reon HQV. You get a THX ultra receiver for just a few bucks more.

Thats what I did. The PQ of the 875 is superb! I only need to set my DVD player at 480i. Double upscaling (upscaling on DVDp & receiver) didnt give good results.

Again the Pio 600 is still grainy on a PJ size screen, on any setting: 480i to 720p on the reon upscaler  .

Any PJ user with setting tips on how to reduce the graininess of the DV-600? My GIEC does a way better job through component.