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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #270 on: Oct 21, 2009 at 05:06 PM »
I'm curious. How do you reconcile this...

And this...


Would you still share or talk a person who is already trying to ridicule you?  Proverbs 18:2 says "Fools have no interest in understanding;they only want to air their own opinions." And Proverbs 23:9 also says "Don’t waste your breath on fools,for they will despise the wisest advice." And finally Proverbs 26:4 "Don’t answer the foolish arguments of fools,or you will become as foolish as they are."

Holy Spirit will give also you the wisdom when to speak and what to say esp in times of trials.  As written in Mark 13:10-12,  "For the Good News must first be preached to all nations.  But when you are arrested and stand trial, don’t worry in advance about what to say. Just say what God tells you at that time, for it is not you who will be speaking, but the Holy Spirit."



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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #271 on: Oct 21, 2009 at 05:18 PM »
Well if its for me I will rather keep the good news of salvation for myself and my loved ones only. But Jesus commanded in Mark 16:15-16 "And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned."  So walang personalan,  sumusunod lang po sa ako sa utos.  



Please be careful when a Bible citation includes Mark 16:9-20, also known as the "Longer Ending" of Mark 16.

Bible scholars agree that Mark 16 ends with verse 8, and that verses 9-20 is a forgery that was added during the early 2nd century.  http://www.bible-researcher.com/endmark.html



Moreover, the entire Longer Ending is not consistent with the rest of the Bible.  Here are some examples:


And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature (verse 15).

- This commandment, which was given to the apostles, was an impossibility, since it was impossible for the apostles to have traveled the whole world during their time.

Even until now, this commandment cannot be fulfilled.  Magdala ka lang ng Bible sa Saudi, makukulong ka ... paano mong matutupad ang utos na yon, na "all the world" ang requirement?      



He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (verse 16)

- Sabi dito, if you're a non-believer, impiyerno ka na.  This contradicts Romans 2:12-16, which teaches that non-believers will be judged according to their conscience.

Tapos, requirement daw ang baptism sa salvation.  E bakit yung "good thief", who received salvation when he repented, wala namang baptism (Luke 23:42-43).



And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;  They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (verses 17-18)

- According to these verses, "these signs shall follow them that believe", implying that if you do not have these signs, you are not a believer.  To prove that you are a member of the Church, you must perform miracles, drink poison, etc.

This verse contradicts 1 Corinthians 12, which clearly explains that not all members of the Church during their time were given the gifts of healing, speaking in tongues, etc., and that it is wrong to think that all members were given the same gifts:

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.  Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?  (1 Cor. 12:28-30)

Sadly, Mark 16:18 has been cited to justify the practices of snake-handling and of drinking strychnine and other poisons.  Believe it or not, there's a sect called "Church of God with Signs Following", a group of snake-handlers and poison drinkers who base their beliefs on that verse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_God_with_Signs_Following).

That's why we must be careful when citing scripture.







http://thecargoculte.blogspot.com/2009/09/taking-up-serpents.html#

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #272 on: Oct 21, 2009 at 05:30 PM »
How about the non-Christians? Will they automatically go to hell when they die?  What if their God is the One not ours?

i am a "nonpracticing" catholic. i used to be an ofw in saudi. doon islam ang religion. meroon din silang mga hard-core fundamentalists.

noong bago pa ako, isang sundalo na di ko kilala, biglang lumapit. tinanong kung muslim ako o hindi. sinagot ko- hindi. sinabi sakin agad (tho di ko agad naintindihan kasi arabic) - "you will burn in hell!" WOW!!! dapat pala pag tinanong kung muslim o hindi, ang sagot ay "Inshallah" - God-willing. pag yun sinagot, di nila pwede kontrahin. kasi si Allah lang ang makakaalam kung sa pag-gising ko bukas ay gustuhin ko na magpa-convert.

ganyan din ang mga fundamentalist ultra-right wing christians!

ang sarap nila pagsamahin!!! ;D
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ang nakakatuwa- sa saudi may born-again na nahuling nagpi-preach ay muslim na ngayon ;D yun naman kasama ko sa trabaho na matinding makipag-diskusyunan ukol sa relihiyon. napaaway ayun pag-uwi sa kampo - yousuf na ang pangalan.  ;D
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sayang wala na ang mga debatista sa plaza miranda tapat ng simbahan ng quiapo. dun kayo pumunta gabi-gabi ang tindi ng bangayan, halos lahat may dalang biblia. kung meron pa ngayon, sure may ADD na kasama doon at may muslim na rin. kasi malapit ang opis ng ADD at maraming muslim na sa quiapo
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #273 on: Oct 21, 2009 at 05:51 PM »
may TIME magazine issue noon na ang cover ay CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM
The Legacy of Abraham's Children
Monday, Dec. 21, 1970
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,904591,00.html

Monday, Nov. 05, 1973
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,908127,00.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,908127-2,00.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,908127-3,00.html

pero alala ko meron din nung 90s o early 00s

nakakatawa nga eh sa Jerusalem nandoon ang wailing wall ng hudyo (jews/judaism), via crucis ng mga kristiano at sa itaas ng wailing wall- ang temple mount - 3rd holiest site para sa mga muslim/islam. tatlong relihiyon na di magkasundo.

kung buhay kaya si abraham? pag-umpugin nya ang mga anak?  ::) ;D

add:>
The Legacy of Abraham
 Monday, Sep. 30, 2002

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1003355,00.html

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #274 on: Oct 21, 2009 at 07:13 PM »
makikisingit lang din po.  I am a Christian but also not a devout one and has also been wondering with the number of religions in the world, having their own God, how sure are we that we are praying/worshipping the one true God? Also, will God be basing His judgement by just being an evolutionist? Should everything that cannot be explained attributed to God? Why can't He just show himself, just like in the story of Moses where He manifested Himself and end every doubt about His existence.  Once and for all settle the score and confirm that the words of the Bible truly came from Him.  In a way, I think we will have a unified religion and live harmoniously.  


Jesus already shown the problem with this desire ...

In the beginning, God commanded Adam & Eve not to ... and yet they rebelled against God ....

Then God raised HIs spoke man in the likes of Moses & other prophets ... they rejected the messenger ... and ask the prophet to ask God for a king instead (King Saul)

Then God sent prophets ... and the people rejected His messanger again ... in fact, some of them were killed

Then finally He sent Jesus ... the manifestation of God ... though in a created substance ... yet unblemished by man's original rebellion (sin) ... though few believe in Him ... majority rejected Him ... and crucified Him ...

Jesus ... in "The Rich Man and Lazarus" showed both dead men with Abraham ... the rich man saw feeling the penalty of all his rejection, wanted to alert his siblings of the reality of punishment, and requested God to send somebody from the dead to warn those living people ... the answer is quite true (if you ask me) ... that no matter who you sent, they will just be rejected!
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #275 on: Oct 21, 2009 at 07:21 PM »
And this is true with those hard core and those just riding on the evolution theory ... there have been recent findings of "million year" dinosaurs fossils that are somehow preserved ... to the point that blood trace can still be detectable (in 2005) ... the DNA can easily be extracted ...

http://www.icr.org/articles/view/2817/282/


These evolutionist truly do not subscribe to that mantra "to see is to believe" ... for them, the more appropriate is "TO SEE IS NOT TO BELIEVE!"  ;D  ;D  ;D ... they are nearer to the truth that dino DNA is not similar to a chicken nor to amphibians! ... they need the funding to continue on the EVOLUTION research!


So you see ... no matter what they see in the laboratory (empirical rasoning) ... the evolution is a dogma ... not a science!
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #276 on: Oct 21, 2009 at 07:57 PM »
If its true, the evolutionist who does not believe Christ as the savior will go to hell and eventually feel the pain of being toasted eternally. The safest i think is just to believe that Christ can save you - thats all.  ;) With all the discussions here, i am beginning to check on the bible and its nice.. ;)  More ideas please.


James 2 tackled something else ... and it is not about being saved ... (sori modes, OT lang po sandali)

Why Jesus came: John 1:12 (New International Version)
12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—

What has been promised through Christ: John 3:16 (New International Version)
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life

Who exemplified this righteousness imputed on somebody that is not worthy?
Abraham: Romans 4:5 (New International Version)
5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
In fact, what makes the Pharisees & Saducees really stumbled on Jesus is that they believe good works will lead them to salvation ... the Bible says NO!
Romans 4:13 It was not through law (good works) that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. ... 15 because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

Why? because the law was given to inform us that we have not subcribed to them! It is a mirror by which every human should look at and see his dirt!

Galatians 3:19 What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions ... 21 For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. ... 24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[h] that we might be justified by faith. (that is ... we need somebody to be delivered from the curse that the Law showed us!)

However, if you insist to follow the Law, it is also possible - how? Galatians 3:10
"Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." (at all times for all the law ... can you?)

See ... the reason Christ came is that nobody can be saved through his own effort ... and does Christ need your own effort to save you ... nope ... He can do it alone ... and nobody will share in that glory, only God alone! ...
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

2:21 ... for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


Lastly: Ephesians 2:8-9 says
Ephesians 2:8-9 (King James Version)
 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

ah ... nobody can boast  about his good works ... because to God, all your good works are as filthy rags (the looks of a feminine napkin) Isaiah 64:6 All of us are ... unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;

To the believers of grace: FAITH = SALVATION + GOOD WORKS (a person who got the faith will enjoy salvation and will show the fruit of salvation - the evidence - through good works - James 2 - salvation & good works acceptable to God are both gifts of GOD)

To the believers of otherwise: SALVATION = FAITH + GOOD WORKS (good luck!)


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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #277 on: Oct 21, 2009 at 08:07 PM »
How about the non-Christians? Will they automatically go to hell when they die?  What if their God is the One not ours?

JT already answered ... the Law will be applied to you ... inescapable judgment indeed!
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #278 on: Oct 21, 2009 at 08:19 PM »
If the creationist die and there is no God at all who created all these thingies ... what will they loose? Nada
If the evolutionist die and there is the God who created what we are debating .... what will they loose?



The implication here being, evolutionists will go to hell for not believing in Creation? Where in the Bible did it say that?


Got it wrong again bro ... the statement above implies that evolutionist has put more things on the line than creationist ... in fact, everything  ;D ...

creationist only put his lifetime ... probably 100 years of his life ... as a sacrifice to stand on creation!
evolutionist put on the line eternity ... never ending consequences ... as a sacrifice to stand for evolution!

The very heart and foundation of evolution is rejection of The Creator! ... the willful and conscious defiance to the declaration of the creation itself that The Creator exists! ... the never-ending rebellion and hatred of man to the existence of God ...

so just fill the cup - to the brim ... so that when the Law is applied to them, The Law will be JUST & REASONABLE!
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #279 on: Oct 21, 2009 at 08:38 PM »
so what happens to the creationists and evolutionists after they die?

there are so many religions/churches - catholic, protestants- baptists evangelists, methodists, presbyterians, etc, christian fundamentalists(born-again), hindi born-againsts ah ;D jews, muslims, buddhists, orthodox catholics, etc. most if not all claiming they are the chosen ones that will be saved!

who will be saved? how about the infidels (as muslims call us) or the unbelievers (as born-agains call us)?

will it rain fire and brimstone? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_and_brimstone

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #280 on: Oct 21, 2009 at 09:11 PM »
The very heart and foundation of evolution is rejection of The Creator! ... the willful and conscious defiance to the declaration of the creation itself that The Creator exists! ... the never-ending rebellion and hatred of man to the existence of God ...

Whoa really? A good man who lives a good and humble life but believes in evolution will burn in hell? Your God is scary.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #281 on: Oct 21, 2009 at 10:56 PM »
Whoa really? A good man who lives a good and humble life but believes in evolution will burn in hell? Your God is scary.

I know, right?! This "god" already condemned me to hell when I was just barely in my teens. And to think I was a regular churchgoer back then. Where's the justice in that?!


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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #282 on: Oct 21, 2009 at 11:25 PM »
Got it wrong again bro ... the statement above implies that evolutionist has put more things on the line than creationist ... in fact, everything  ;D ...

creationist only put his lifetime ... probably 100 years of his life ... as a sacrifice to stand on creation!
evolutionist put on the line eternity ... never ending consequences ... as a sacrifice to stand for evolution!


So I guess it's only fair that evolutionists get more financial benefits, better insurance coverage and higher salaries, since the occupational risks involved in being an evolutionist is so much greater than for a creationist.

And quite frankly, I don't buy this. We understand COMPLETELY what your previous statement means. Under your moral standards, evolutionists staked their very souls and will inevitably go to hell, pure and simple. It doesn't take a nuclear physicist or a Biblical scholar to read between your lines.


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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #283 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 01:47 AM »
page 9-last part of the time mag article>
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1003355-9,00.html
It is set after Abraham's near sacrifice of his son, whichever son it was. The moment of truth is just past; the father's hand is stayed. As the boy lies stunned on the altar, God gazes down with pride and compassion and promises to grant his any prayer. "O Lord, I pray this," the boy says. "When any person in any era meets you at the gates of heaven--so long as they believe in one God--I ask that you allow them to enter paradise."

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #284 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 06:47 AM »
page 9-last part of the time mag article>
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1003355-9,00.html
It is set after Abraham's near sacrifice of his son, whichever son it was. The moment of truth is just past; the father's hand is stayed. As the boy lies stunned on the altar, God gazes down with pride and compassion and promises to grant his any prayer. "O Lord, I pray this," the boy says. "When any person in any era meets you at the gates of heaven--so long as they believe in one God--I ask that you allow them to enter paradise."

Kawawa naman ang mga Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, Shinto, atbp.

Buti pa mga Satanista kasi nag-iisa lang ang diyos nila.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #285 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 06:54 AM »
Ano nga ba uli topic dito?

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #286 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 07:25 AM »
kahit nalilihis tayo paminsan-minsan i enjoy reading opinions. Basta no harsh words and no resorting to "argumentum ad hominem" this thread will be peaceful.  ;)
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #287 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 08:44 AM »
Got it wrong again bro ... the statement above implies that evolutionist has put more things on the line than creationist ... in fact, everything  ;D ...

creationist only put his lifetime ... probably 100 years of his life ... as a sacrifice to stand on creation!
evolutionist put on the line eternity ... never ending consequences ... as a sacrifice to stand for evolution!

The very heart and foundation of evolution is rejection of The Creator! ... the willful and conscious defiance to the declaration of the creation itself that The Creator exists! ... the never-ending rebellion and hatred of man to the existence of God ...

so just fill the cup - to the brim ... so that when the Law is applied to them, The Law will be JUST & REASONABLE!

As usual you just muddled everything with gibberish. You just confirmed what I said.  ::) Sardaukar and Allanmandy came to the same conclusions.

But wait, you'll just say we got it wrong again. Ang nakakatawa lang dito -- all of these other guys are presnting well thought out opinions supported by statements that have a logical progression. All we get from you is "you got it wrong", "The law will be just and reasonable", and all of the other statements that, when dissected, don't carry any kind of logical meat inside it.

You're not articulating anything important, what you're giving us are platitudes.
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #288 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 08:56 AM »
Whoa really? A good man who lives a good and humble life but believes in evolution will burn in hell? Your God is scary.


Exactly. That's why I personally have a big problem with such a close-minded view of religion. I hate that religion has been turned into an exclusive club where if you're not a member then you don't matter. I hate the smugness of people who already assume that they'll go to Heaven just because they decided to pick a religion that they have deluded themselves to think is the only one that matters. God is not narrow-minded.

The bible-thumpers here have already said that God has infinite wisdom. I don't think that in his infinite wisdom he'll say that a moral and humble person will go to hell just because he picked the wrong religion or he supported the wrong view of how the Universe was created. It's just plain stupid, and the one thing God is not is stupid.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #289 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 09:25 AM »
As usual you just muddled everything with gibberish.

Akala ko ako lang ang nahilo kakabasa nun ...  :D

Oh, well ...   :(
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #290 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 09:31 AM »
Kawawa naman ang mga Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, Shinto, atbp.

Buti pa mga Satanista kasi nag-iisa lang ang diyos nila.


yung nga ang hirap sa mga panatikong kasapi ng ibang relihiyon. pag hindi ka kapanalig, automatic sa impyerno ang punta mo. infidels o unbelievers ang bansag nila. hawak ang kanya-kanyang banal na kasulatan, pero puro bangayan at away. ano ang resulta? giyera!

sa mga kaguluhan sa mundo, karaniwan sangkot ang mga kristiano, muslim at hudyo. mga "anak" ni abraham.

nakakalungkot isipin ang ehemplo ng yugoslavia - noong rehimen ni marshall josef tito, nanatili ang peaceful coexistence pero nung namatay siya, nagkawatak-watak- serbia,bosnia, croatia, macedonia kosovo. mga dating magkapitbahay nagpatayan kasi magkaiba sila ng relihiyon.

pero mismo sa loob ng isang relihiyon ay may kasaysayan ng hidwaan. ang mga kristiano't katoliko sa europa. kaya nga nagkaron ng church of england. may mga protestante din. sunni at shiites di rin magkasundo. meron russian orthodox greek orthodox roman catholic atbp. meron din kaya born-again at born against?


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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #291 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 09:40 AM »
Could somebody in the know define the LAW please?

If I understood JT correctly, he alluded to something like a universal law of a being good man, but as other members have posted, there are religious sects that consider their faith as the exclusive truth.
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #292 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 10:28 AM »
so what happens to the creationists and evolutionists after they die?

there are so many religions/churches - catholic, protestants- baptists evangelists, methodists, presbyterians, etc, christian fundamentalists(born-again), hindi born-againsts ah ;D jews, muslims, buddhists, orthodox catholics, etc. most if not all claiming they are the chosen ones that will be saved!

who will be saved? how about the infidels (as muslims call us) or the unbelievers (as born-agains call us)?

will it rain fire and brimstone? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_and_brimstone




For some of what you mentioned ... they have a common ground (the Bible) ... of course each of them will have their own reading on that ... as for the others, investigation as to the source/basis of their belief needs to be done, also in comparison with the Bible ... and like theory of evolution/creation - their basis will stand or fall as you study each of their history of origin ...

Now ... if you are so called "Christian" ... and your basis is like the rest (the Bible) ... then it becomes your own responsibility to check on it rather than or more than just asking somebody else (who can, as people say, twist it on their own benefits) ... at least, you can not cheat yourself if you are serious in checking it out.

After doing the above ... the more significant question to ask (than your question aboce) is this ... after reading your basis for your faith, will you be saved? ... only then, perhaps, you can ask about the welfare of the rest!
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #293 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 10:31 AM »
what's important is respect for others' belief. not imposing one's own belief on the others and if they dont agree, they will be labeled as infidels or unbelievers and right there be condemned to eternal damnation- hell
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #294 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 10:38 AM »
Could somebody in the know define the LAW please?

If I understood JT correctly, he alluded to something like a universal law of a being good man, but as other members have posted, there are religious sects that consider their faith as the exclusive truth.



Sorry, the Law that I posted in the series of verses refers to The Ten Commandments handed to Moses - for some believers of the Bible, it is being used to concoct Good Works. If anybody wanted to check this out, you only need to read (before you ask) 4 chapters of the book of Galatians (1-4) how apostle Paul explained the purpose of the LAW - why it was given at the time of Moses. Apostle Paul's career is a lawyer during his time.

You can finish it  one sitting. You can also compare different translations - it will help understand some of the difficult words in it. The internet can provide you all these easy to read translations. Happy reading to those who want to seek.
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #295 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 10:44 AM »
what's important is respect for others' belief. not imposing one's own belief on the others and if they dont agree, they will be labeled as infidels or unbelievers and right there be condemned to eternal damnation- hell


Well, as you can see from my post that answered your post, I have not labeled anyone ... nor impose it to others as my post is only directed to you personally ... nor I condemned anyone ... but have thrown back your question to your own self ... neither will I label you if you dont believe ... it is not in my job description as a believer ...


Now ... if you will ask me the position of the Bible about this damnation, all I can tell you is that ... whether we like it or not, from the perspective of Bible, ALL OF US are already DAMNED anyway ... Romans 3:23
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #296 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 10:44 AM »
Could somebody in the know define the LAW please?

If I understood JT correctly, he alluded to something like a universal law of a being good man, but as other members have posted, there are religious sects that consider their faith as the exclusive truth.


I think the LAW referred is the universal law of nature, the LAW on cause and effect, karma which whether one believes it or not cannot escape from its effects.
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #297 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM »
I think the LAW referred is the universal law of nature, the LAW on cause and effect, karma which whether one believes it or not cannot escape from its effects.

If it is from my post ... it refers to The Ten Commandments
... the first 4 is yourresponsibility to God
... the last 6 is your responsibility to your fellow man

If it is from JT ... I think he refers to your conscience ... which somehow dictate what is right or wrong regardlesss of your religion ... which animals (from where we came daw) do not have ...
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #298 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 10:49 AM »

Well, as you can see from my post that answered your post, I have not labeled anyone ... nor impose it to others as my post is only directed to you personally ... nor I condemned anyone ... but have thrown back your question to your own self ... neither will I label you if you dont believe ... it is not in my job description as a believer ...


Now ... if you will ask me the position of the Bible about this damnation, all I can tell you is that ... whether we like it or not, from the perspective of Bible, ALL OF US are already DAMNED anyway ... Romans 3:23


thats why i didnt even bother to quote your post. ;D

if all of us are damned, may i ask who will be saved?

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #299 on: Oct 22, 2009 at 10:51 AM »
What? ALL OF US ARE DAMNED? Arrrrrgggghhh!!!!