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« Reply #210 on: Aug 21, 2011 at 09:44 AM »
baka ma-o.t., kung hindi pala religion ang freemasonry

Hindi naman siguro, kasi opinyon ko lang naman yon e.  Ang Freemasonry ba ay religion o hindi?  Depende sa tatanungin mo, ang sagot ay puwedeng:

A kind of religion --- http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/WHATMAS.HTM

Definitely a religion --- http://www.evangelicaltruth.com/fmar.html

An occult religion --- http://www.godonthe.net/cme/links/masons.htm

A demonic cult --- http://web.ncf.ca/tonyc/mason.html

Religious naturalism --- http://www.ewtn.com/library/newage/masonrel.txt

etc. etc.



nakaka-intriga lang kasi masyado pala malihim ang mga mason. at pag 30th degree na dun daw lumilinaw kung ano talaga ang freemasonry.

There are only 3 degrees:

1. Entered Apprentice – the degree of an Initiate, which makes one a Freemason;
2. Fellow Craft – an intermediate degree, involved with learning; and
3. Master Mason - the "third degree", a necessity for participation in most aspects of Masonry.

Officially, there is no degree higher than Master Mason.  Some Masonic bodies and orders have degrees with numbers higher than 3, but they are considered levels within the Master Mason degree ("appendant degrees").  For example, the Scottish rite has 33 degrees, with degree 4 to 33 being considered part of the 3rd degree of Master Mason.


Pag may secrets, may intriga.  Natural lang naman yon.  Kaya nga maraming conspiracy theories vs Masons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_conspiracy_theories  


Pag 30th degree lumilitaw kung ano talaga ang Freemasonry?  Ewan ko lang.  Yung mga Christian anti-Masons ang madalas magsabi niyan e.

The 30th degree is called the "Knight Kadosh," described as follows: "The lesson of this degree is to be true to ourselves, to stand for what is right and just in our lives today. To believe in God, country and ourselves."

Like all Masonic degrees, the Knight Kadosh degree simply teaches a series of moral lessons by the use of allegory and symbolism.  Nothing mysterious or sinister about it.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #211 on: Aug 21, 2011 at 10:46 AM »
^ i googled "30th degree freemasonry" http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=30th+degree+freemasonry&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest

as in any secret organization, things unravel when someone from within reveals information not publicly known. or unknown to the lower ranks within the organization.

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« Reply #212 on: Aug 21, 2011 at 12:42 PM »
Here's an article entitled, "TESTIMONY OF 'ALAN,' former 30° Mason and retired Anglican lawyer":

http://www.cephasministry.com/alan_ex_mason.html

Akala ko may matinding exposition, kasi umalis siya sa Freemasonry after getting a "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" from his own Christian religion (maybe a Protestant group).  Pero wala pa ring malinaw na masabi tungkol sa kung ano nga ba yung 30th degree.

"Areas of concern" lang ang nasasabi niya.


You can read internet posts on forums from 30th degree Masons:

http://www.thefreemason.com/community/Topic13668-5-1.aspx

The threadstarter completed the 30th degree ceremony, pero malabo pa rin sa kanya kung ano yon.  You'd think he'd be thoroughly and utterly enlightened upon reaching degree 30, e nagtatanong pa pala sa ibang members kasi marami daw malabo ...  ;)

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #213 on: Sep 16, 2011 at 12:35 AM »
If you would like to know where all religion began, you can watch it here...

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFuelProject#p/u





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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #214 on: Oct 11, 2011 at 05:30 PM »
Iglesia Ni Cristo buys town in South Dakota

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/10/11/11/iglesia-ni-cristo-buys-town-south-dakota

Next would be Mike Velarde buying a town in Africa  ;D
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« Reply #215 on: Oct 12, 2011 at 03:53 PM »
Iglesia Ni Cristo buys town in South Dakota

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/10/11/11/iglesia-ni-cristo-buys-town-south-dakota

Next would be Mike Velarde buying a town in Africa  ;D

Kaya dapat patawan na ng buwis ang lahat ng relihiyon.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #216 on: Oct 12, 2011 at 05:01 PM »
Kaya dapat patawan na ng buwis ang lahat ng relihiyon.

dapat patawan din ang mga charitable institution...
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #217 on: Oct 12, 2011 at 09:02 PM »
dapat patawan din ang mga charitable institution...
If they can show that all their revenue is spent on charity/donations, then they should be able to write off everything as tax-deductible.

OTOH—with religious organizations, na non-profit kuno, we don't even have any visibility into their cashflow (cash comes in from tithes and donations, cash goes... where?).

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« Reply #218 on: Oct 12, 2011 at 09:33 PM »
yeah, magkaiba pag ta-tax-an ang isang religious sect and a charitable institution. charitable institutions clearly has visibility on where the money is spent unlike those of religious institutions.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #219 on: Oct 12, 2011 at 10:18 PM »
If they can show that all their revenue is spent on charity/donations, then they should be able to write off everything as tax-deductible.

OTOH—with religious organizations, na non-profit kuno, we don't even have any visibility into their cashflow (cash comes in from tithes and donations, cash goes... where?).

Actually non-profit institutions/religious organizations still have to file their income tax even in such cases that they don't have to pay anything.  Technically these institutions are only exempt from real property taxes.. 

As for visibility, we do have a means on how to view their cash flow.  These organizations are still subject to external audit and submission of their audited financial statements.  You simply have to view said financial statements.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #220 on: Oct 12, 2011 at 11:34 PM »
kapag nagwaldas ng pera ang isang simbahan.... kanino sila dapat managot? sa miyembro nila, sa gobyerno o sa taong-bayan?

in my opinion... walang pakialam o walang karapatang magreklamo ang isang tao na hindi miyembro lalo na ang hindi nagbibigay sa kung anuman ang gawin ng isang simbahan sa pera nila. at ang isang simbahan na hindi ipinapakita sa mga miyembro (in detail) kung saan napunta ang pera nila ay isang walang kwentang simbahan.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #221 on: Oct 13, 2011 at 08:11 AM »
kapag nagwaldas ng pera ang isang simbahan.... kanino sila dapat managot? sa miyembro nila, sa gobyerno o sa taong-bayan?

in my opinion... walang pakialam o walang karapatang magreklamo ang isang tao na hindi miyembro lalo na ang hindi nagbibigay sa kung anuman ang gawin ng isang simbahan sa pera nila. at ang isang simbahan na hindi ipinapakita sa mga miyembro (in detail) kung saan napunta ang pera nila ay isang walang kwentang simbahan.

Accountability.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #222 on: Oct 13, 2011 at 03:02 PM »
Accountability.

yup... accountablity to their members... not on us... not on the government... these church members gave their money to the church willingly (though iyong iba natatakot lang dahil sa impiyerno)... kaya dapat gamitin nang maayos ng church leaders ang pera ng simbahan... kung masaya ang mga members ng iglesia ni kristo sa pagbili ng lupa... sino ba tayo para magreklamo... pera ng simbahan nila iyon... wala tayong karapatan magreklamo saan man nila gamitin pera nila...

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #223 on: Oct 19, 2011 at 10:25 AM »
Five Ways Your Bible Translation Distorts the Original Meaning of the Text

From the Ten Commandments to the Psalms to the Gospels, English translations of the Bible distort the original meaning of the text: The Ten Commandments don't forbid coveting. Psalm 23 is not primarily about sheep or a shepherd. And God didn't give his only begotten son because he loved the world so much.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-joel-hoffman/five-ways-your-bible-tran_b_1007058.html

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #224 on: Oct 21, 2011 at 02:27 AM »
guys yung stigmata na movie yung kay patricia arquette fiction lang ba yun para kasing convincing napanood ko sa cable kahapon matagal na pla yun.hehe ;D.tsaka yung gospel of judas meron ba nun? ::)
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« Reply #225 on: Oct 21, 2011 at 05:00 AM »
guys yung stigmata na movie yung kay patricia arquette fiction lang ba yun para kasing convincing napanood ko sa cable kahapon matagal na pla yun.hehe ;D.tsaka yung gospel of judas meron ba nun? ::)
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« Reply #226 on: Oct 21, 2011 at 09:45 AM »
guys yung stigmata na movie yung kay patricia arquette fiction lang ba yun para kasing convincing napanood ko sa cable kahapon matagal na pla yun.hehe ;D.tsaka yung gospel of judas meron ba nun? ::)

stigmata ewan ko lang kalahati lang pinanood ko kasi ampanget di ko tinapos vhs sinoli ko na agad sa aca. gospel of judas meron yon pati gospel of mary gospel of peter gospel of thomas kahit sinong tao gusto mo basta dagdagan mo lang sa harap ng gospel of ok na.

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« Reply #227 on: Oct 21, 2011 at 08:32 PM »
stigmata ewan ko lang kalahati lang pinanood ko kasi ampanget di ko tinapos vhs sinoli ko na agad sa aca. gospel of judas meron yon pati gospel of mary gospel of peter gospel of thomas kahit sinong tao gusto mo basta dagdagan mo lang sa harap ng gospel of ok na.


 ;D

Question lang is. why was the gospel of Judas not accepted.

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« Reply #228 on: Oct 21, 2011 at 09:15 PM »
;D

Question lang is. why was the gospel of Judas not accepted.

dahil hindi magjajive sa plano ni constantine

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #229 on: Oct 21, 2011 at 11:33 PM »
dahil hindi magjajive sa plano ni constantine

Roman Catholic ba ang nag-buo ng bible?

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« Reply #230 on: Oct 22, 2011 at 02:04 AM »
Let me quote George Ricker:

"By the third or fourth century of the common era, it appears church leaders had settled on Matthew, Mark, Luke and John as the four gospels that would be included in the canon that came to be the established Bible. There were many others that could have been included. The decision about which books to include and which to leave out was not made by any single person and probably had more to do with tradition and the perceived needs of the church at that time than any other factor."

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« Reply #231 on: Oct 22, 2011 at 09:20 AM »
Roman Catholic ba ang nag-buo ng bible?

hmm... group of scholars.... cannon ata tawag doon...

bible of catholics... maraming dinagdag na books... na hindi approved...
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« Reply #232 on: Oct 22, 2011 at 04:29 PM »
dahil hindi magjajive sa plano ni constantine

Roman Catholic ba ang nag-buo ng bible?

hmm... group of scholars.... cannon ata tawag doon...

bible of catholics... maraming dinagdag na books... na hindi approved...

Yup. Alam ko, walang connection between acceptance ng gospel of Judas and Constantine. Cannon nga ata.  :D

5 books ata ang nadagdag sa old testament after Malachi. Some say that it was added because it contains phrophesies of the virgin Mary. Aphocriphic books was term used by some bible scholars.

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« Reply #233 on: Oct 22, 2011 at 08:42 PM »
;D

Question lang is. why was the gospel of Judas not accepted.


It's not part of scripture.  Malayo ang sinasabi.

The Gospel of Judas was written by a Gnostic sect in the second century A.D.  No, it wasn't even written by Judas. 

Kung interesado sa Gnosticism, puwedeng isama sa Gospel of Judas ang Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Truth, Gospel of Philip, Gospel of the Lord, Gospel of Truth, etc.


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« Reply #234 on: Oct 23, 2011 at 01:05 PM »

It's not part of scripture.  Malayo ang sinasabi.

The Gospel of Judas was written by a Gnostic sect in the second century A.D.  No, it wasn't even written by Judas. 

Kung interesado sa Gnosticism, puwedeng isama sa Gospel of Judas ang Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Truth, Gospel of Philip, Gospel of the Lord, Gospel of Truth, etc.



I've heard this Gnosticism from a friend. Ang teachings ata dun, there is a higher God than our God and jesus Christ. Ang sabi sa akin, it was based on a book dug up somewhere sa Europe. Dunno the facts of Gnosticism talaga.

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« Reply #235 on: Oct 23, 2011 at 04:20 PM »
Malabo ang doctrines ng Gnosticism.  Walang maliwanag na belief set.

Ang basic belief nila ay ang "secret knowledge" ("gnosis") na sila lang daw ang nakakaalam.  Tapos, hinaluan ito ng mga beliefs ng Judaism at Christianity.

Example of Gnosticism na hinaluan ng Judaism:

Yung creator sa Genesis ay isang demonic god who trapped human souls in material bodies.  To free the trapped soul, the higher god sent a revealer into this world to inform humans that they are actually of divine origin.  Those who understand this secret knowledge (gnosis) will be able to rise above this world and return to their rightful place with the higher god.

Example ng Gnosticism na hinaluan ng Christianity:

In the Gospel of Judas, the revealer of the secret knowledge was Jesus, and only Judas could understand this secret knowledge.  However, the secret required Judas to play the role of a betrayer so that Jesus could escape this world and return to the realm of Barbelo (the realm of light).  Judas accomplished this mission and thus played the role of a hero instead of a villain.

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« Reply #236 on: Oct 23, 2011 at 05:24 PM »
Who Chose the Gospels?: Probing the Great Gospel Conspiracy by C. E. Hill
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« Reply #237 on: Oct 23, 2011 at 08:59 PM »
Malabo ang doctrines ng Gnosticism.  Walang maliwanag na belief set.

Ang basic belief nila ay ang "secret knowledge" ("gnosis") na sila lang daw ang nakakaalam.  Tapos, hinaluan ito ng mga beliefs ng Judaism at Christianity.

Example of Gnosticism na hinaluan ng Judaism:

Yung creator sa Genesis ay isang demonic god who trapped human souls in material bodies.  To free the trapped soul, the higher god sent a revealer into this world to inform humans that they are actually of divine origin.  Those who understand this secret knowledge (gnosis) will be able to rise above this world and return to their rightful place with the higher god.

Example ng Gnosticism na hinaluan ng Christianity:

In the Gospel of Judas, the revealer of the secret knowledge was Jesus, and only Judas could understand this secret knowledge.  However, the secret required Judas to play the role of a betrayer so that Jesus could escape this world and return to the realm of Barbelo (the realm of light).  Judas accomplished this mission and thus played the role of a hero instead of a villain.



The snake who tempted Eve was the revealer so they say.

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« Reply #238 on: Oct 23, 2011 at 11:16 PM »
Yes, the Gnostic view is that the serpent is the messenger of the higher god.

The creator god is actually Satan, who made the material world and man without authorization from the supreme god.  The creator god made Adam and Eve incapable of distinguishing between good and evil, and ignorant of their origin and destiny.

The supreme god wanted to liberate man by opening his eyes to the truth.  So this higher god sent the serpent (Lucifer), who told Eve to eat the forbidden fruit so that man will know the truth and become aware of their true situation and great destiny.

Those who worship the creator god are blind to the truth because they consider the serpent to be evil, when it is actually the creator god who is evil and it is the serpent who is the savior -- the liberator who brought enlightenment through the secret knowledge of the gnosis.

Sayang lang ang oras kung pag-aralan pa natin ang mga nonsense na Gnostic beliefs na ito.  :D  
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« Reply #239 on: Oct 24, 2011 at 01:21 AM »
Yes, the Gnostic view is that the serpent is the messenger of the higher god.

The creator god is actually Satan, who made the material world and man without authorization from the supreme god.  The creator god made Adam and Eve incapable of distinguishing between good and evil, and ignorant of their origin and destiny.

The supreme god wanted to liberate man by opening his eyes to the truth.  So this higher god sent the serpent (Lucifer), who told Eve to eat the forbidden fruit so that man will know the truth and become aware of their true situation and great destiny.

Those who worship the creator god are blind to the truth because they consider the serpent to be evil, when it is actually the creator god who is evil and it is the serpent who is the savior -- the liberator who brought enlightenment through the secret knowledge of the gnosis.

Sayang lang ang oras kung pag-aralan pa natin ang mga nonsense na Gnostic beliefs na ito.  :D  


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