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« Reply #1830 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 05:20 PM »
Im afraid barriater is right, we usually call those who didnt share the same faith as cult. But for me i can only call a sect or religion a cult if they domt believe thate Jesus is God. Jehovah, mormom and INC are among them.

I believe both Jehovah and mormons believe Jesus is God.


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« Reply #1831 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 08:06 PM »
Mormons (official name: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) believe Jesus Christ is God; but Jehovah's Witnesses do not.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus is an angel; specifically, the archangel Michael who took human form when he appeared on earth.

Mormonism, JW and INC are not considered cults in the proper sense of the word.  The ones who consider them "cults" are their opponents, in an apparent effort to discredit the beliefs of those whose doctrines are different from their own.

Mormons should be distinguished from the FLDS (Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints), a breakaway faction of the original LDS.

It is the FLDS that is correctly considered a cult.  Former leader of the FLDS is Warren Jeffs, once in the FBI most wanted list, now serving a life sentence for aggravated sexual assault of children.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs
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« Reply #1832 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 09:47 PM »
thanks for the info sir barrister.

kala ko all this time God din turing ng JW kay Jesus. Tanda ko nung bata ako, may kapitbahay ang lola ko na JW at binabasa ko yung parang kid's bible stories book nila kasi may mga pictures unlike yung bible ng lola ko na as in...bible. hehehehe!
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« Reply #1833 on: Sep 28, 2015 at 10:31 PM »
Maraming mga weird doctrines sa mainstream religions.  May mga taong interesado diyan, pero maraming hindi.
 
Kung interesado ka sir, magandang study din yan.  Bigyan kita ng additional doctrines of the Mormons:
 
Mormons were originally polygamists because they believe polygamy to be a righteous principle that is part of their doctrines.  In the 1890s, they officially abandoned polygamy after criminal prosecution was brought against them by the US government.
 
Mormons believe God the Father was once a man who dwelt on earth, then later became God.  The Father, also a polygamist, had many wives.
 
Jesus was the Father's first son.  Jesus was also a polygamist.  Jesus is the "spirit brother" of Satan, since they are both sons of the Father from his various polygamous relationships.   
 
Jesus is God, but he was once a man who became a God, just like the Father.
 
Jesus is the savior of this earth.  But there are many earths, meaning, many other planets inhabited by other humans, and there are other saviors for those other earths.  The doctrine of other worlds and other saviors is found in Mormon Scripture (called the Book of Mormon).
 
Kaya marami ngang weirdong doctrines sa iba-ibang religions.  Yung iba, kulto na agad ang label sa Mormons, kahit hindi pa alam yung mga matitinding doktrina ng Mormons.  Kung alam lang nila ang mga doktrina ng Mormons, baka hindi lang kulto ang itawag nila diyan ...   :D
 
 
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Why do Mormons have so many children?  Because they believe it's their duty to have as many kids as possible.  That's why they were originally polygamists. 
 
Browse an ex-Mormon forum: http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,897005,897376
 
Dr. Cecil Jacobson was a fertility doctor who told his female patients that he was artificially inseminating them using the specially treated sperm of their own husbands.
 
After investigation, it turned out that the doctor used his own sperm on his female patients.   
 
Jacobson's wife said it shouldn't matter where the sperm came from, and the parents should be proud that the sperm came from a man like her husband.  Dr. Jacobson believes he did nothing wrong.
 
What's the Jacobsons' religion?  They're Mormons.  Dr. Jacobson doesn't clarify that he did it because he believes it's his duty to have as many kids as possible, but I have a feeling that his religion had a lot to do with it...  ;)   

Betrayal of Trust
By Bill Hewitt
A Fertility Doctor Is Accused of Secretly Fathering as Many as 75 Children
March 09, 1992

 FOR "MARY JAMES," STARTING A FAMILY hadn't been as easy as love, marriage and a baby carriage. For many years she had been unable to conceive, apparently because of her husband's low sperm count, so the couple went to infertility specialist Dr. Cecil Jacobson, who ran a clinic in Vienna, Va. "If you want a kid, you're going to have a kid," she says Jacobson told her. On the third try, using what they thought was a specially treated dose of the husband's sperm for artificial insemination, the Jameses did become parents—of twins. But their joy turned to outrage when they learned late last year that Jacobson had been indicted on fraud and perjury charges for, among other things, allegedly using his own sperm for artificial insemination—and that he was the biological father of their children. Moreover, according to prosecutors, Jacobson had misled other trusting patients and in fact may be the biological father of as many as 75 children.
 
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20112183,00.html
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« Reply #1834 on: Sep 29, 2015 at 12:44 AM »
I will read on it sir. Salamat sa mga ito. I always try to have an open mind specially sa mga bagay na wala naman akong alam masyado. Ayokong manghusga sa mga bagay na di naman lubos na malinaw sa akin.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1835 on: Sep 29, 2015 at 12:46 AM »
Mormons din ata yun kamuntik nang makuha ang isang state sa US?

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« Reply #1836 on: Sep 29, 2015 at 08:41 AM »
Mormons din ata yun kamuntik nang makuha ang isang state sa US?

Utah? don't know if it was the main branch of Mormonism or a break-away group.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1837 on: Sep 29, 2015 at 08:42 AM »
Utah? don't know if it was the main branch of Mormonism or a break-away group.
Mormons din ata yun kamuntik nang makuha ang isang state sa US?

you must be refering to UTAH, that is where the Mormons went to avoid persecution....
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« Reply #1838 on: Sep 29, 2015 at 11:20 AM »
Mormons din ata yun kamuntik nang makuha ang isang state sa US?

Not exactly.

Hindi yung parang meron nang state of Utah, tapos muntik maging independent ang Utah.  Ang totoo, nag-settle ang LDS sa Utah before it was the state of Utah, and even before it was known as the "Utah Territory."

The LDS was founded by Joseph Smith in New York the 1830s, then they moved from state to state.  Smith was killed, then Brigham Young took over as LDS leader.

In 1847, Young settled the LDS in the Great Salt Lake Valley.  In 1850, the region became incorporated as the Utah Territory, and Young became the governor.  A few years later, the LDS openly taught their previously secret practice of plural marriage.  But I don't think they ever advocated secession.

Young was already dead when the US Supreme Court ruled that the polygamy prohibition was valid and was not covered by freedom of religion. 

US-Utah relations improved, then Utah became a US state in 1896.  Later, the LDS abandoned their practice of polygamy.

In the 1980s, a small faction formed their own group, whch later became known as the FLDS (Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints), which continued the practice of polygamy. 
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1839 on: Sep 29, 2015 at 11:40 AM »
^usapang laminang  ginto

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« Reply #1840 on: Sep 29, 2015 at 11:48 AM »
^usapang laminang  ginto

May nabasa din ako dati diyan, may na-discover daw na jewel or stone used by Joseph to help him interpret the bible. Hehe!

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« Reply #1841 on: Sep 29, 2015 at 01:23 PM »
Urim and Thummim yan sir.  They are the seer stones of Joseph Smith. 

The stones were not used by Smith to interpret the bible, but to translate the writings on the golden plates.

Joseph Smith says the stones were given to him by an angel, together with the golden plates.  The golden plates are the source of the Book of Mormon (the sacred text of the LDS).

Using Urim and Thummim, Smith translated the writings on the plates, which became the source of the Book of Mormon.

Nasaan na ngayon ang golden plates?  Sabi ni Smith, wala na raw, kasi kinuha uli ng angel... :D


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urim_and_Thummim_(Latter_Day_Saints)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates
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« Reply #1842 on: Sep 29, 2015 at 01:55 PM »
Urim and Thummim yan sir.  They are the seer stones of Joseph Smith. 

The stones were not used by Smith to interpret the bible, but to translate the writings on the golden plates.

Joseph Smith says the stones were given to him by an angel, together with the golden plates.  The golden plates are the source of the Book of Mormon (the sacred text of the LDS).

Using Urim and Thummim, Smith translated the writings on the plates, which became the source of the Book of Mormon.

Nasaan na ngayon ang golden plates?  Sabi ni Smith, wala na raw, kasi kinuha uli ng angel... :D


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urim_and_Thummim_(Latter_Day_Saints)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates

Filipino ba yang angel na yan?

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« Reply #1843 on: Sep 29, 2015 at 02:12 PM »
Filipino ba yang angel na yan?





Di ko makita yung mukha sa temple statue, ang taas e... :D

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« Reply #1844 on: Sep 29, 2015 at 03:12 PM »




Di ko makita yung mukha sa temple statue, ang taas e... :D
hahahaha :D

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« Reply #1845 on: Sep 29, 2015 at 05:36 PM »
^Hindi ba nila tinago dun sa super high tech vault nila on granite mountain?  ;D
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1846 on: Sep 29, 2015 at 07:15 PM »
:D
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« Reply #1847 on: Oct 05, 2015 at 08:38 AM »
Cross posting from the other thread because I don't want to rant there so I'll just post this here...

Ganito na ba lagi ang mararanasan natin sa NLEX tuwing may malaking event ang iglesia slow moving ang papunta ng manila sa nlex bago mag philippine arena kasi binuksan ung isang lane para mag counter flow. Traffic na kasi sa kabila dahil sa pila papunta philippine arena na sinakop na nila ang 3 lanes.



^They got quite a few Guinness World Record out of it though. Wooo!!! Proud to be INC!! pfft. They think owning a bunch of Guinness World Records are an achievement? Why don't make the guy who owns the longest fingernail a run for his money and get that world record as well?

We as a nation should really put things into perspective ang get our priorities right. Their obsession with World Records is already becoming childish and stupid. Do their leaders have childhood issues and get their affirmation fix from a book the gets stuck on a corner in a library somewhere? I want to see this as how INC members see this as well. I get how localities strive to get into this novelty thing out of improving their tourism numbers - like all the tourist traps weve all been through somewhere - But a religious group?
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« Reply #1848 on: Oct 05, 2015 at 08:43 AM »
tao lang din naman ang mga pinuno ng simbahan na yan, they are not saints.....
so i am not at all surprised, and as you know, Pilipinos have a penchant for the talangka...')
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« Reply #1849 on: Oct 05, 2015 at 09:10 AM »
tao lang din naman ang mga pinuno ng simbahan na yan, they are not saints.....
so i am not at all surprised, and as you know, Pilipinos have a penchant for the talangka...')

Those who truly believe in God were/are called "saints" in the Bible. If we truly believe in God, in His power of saving our souls, then we are saints and good works will always manifest in us.

If we cant see any good works in them, then their faith is questionable before our eyes.
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« Reply #1850 on: Oct 05, 2015 at 09:55 AM »
We as a nation should really put things into perspective ang get our priorities right. Their obsession with World Records is already becoming childish and stupid. Do their leaders have childhood issues and get their affirmation fix from a book the gets stuck on a corner in a library somewhere? I want to see this as how INC members see this as well. I get how localities strive to get into this novelty thing out of improving their tourism numbers - like all the tourist traps weve all been through somewhere - But a religious group?

This trend is a new approach of the new INC leadership.  There was no such trend under their old leaderships.

Me, I place the blame on the government. 

Why did the local government give construction permits for their INC Arena, when it should have been obvious that existing infrastructure would not be able to accommodate the congestion?

Why does the government continue to believe that a religious group with only 2 million members, which is only 2% of the population, can possibly have the numbers to actually vote a president into office?
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« Reply #1851 on: Oct 05, 2015 at 10:36 AM »
This trend is a new approach of the new INC leadership.  There was no such trend under their old leaderships.

Me, I place the blame on the government. 

Why did the local government give construction permits for their INC Arena, when it should have been obvious that existing infrastructure would not be able to accommodate the congestion?

Why does the government continue to believe that a religious group with only 2 million members, which is only 2% of the population, can possibly have the numbers to actually vote a president into office?

same with the BBL...

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« Reply #1852 on: Oct 05, 2015 at 12:17 PM »
This trend is a new approach of the new INC leadership.  There was no such trend under their old leaderships.

Me, I place the blame on the government. 

Why did the local government give construction permits for their INC Arena, when it should have been obvious that existing infrastructure would not be able to accommodate the congestion?

Why does the government continue to believe that a religious group with only 2 million members, which is only 2% of the population, can possibly have the numbers to actually vote a president into office?

merely 2% but their tentacles reach out, really reach out...
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« Reply #1853 on: Oct 05, 2015 at 12:18 PM »
Those who truly believe in God were/are called "saints" in the Bible. If we truly believe in God, in His power of saving our souls, then we are saints and good works will always manifest in us.

If we cant see any good works in them, then their faith is questionable before our eyes.

i will not debate you on the "saint" part....they are men serving earthly pursuits...
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« Reply #1854 on: Oct 05, 2015 at 01:00 PM »
Malinaw naman sa akin yung sinasabi mong "saints," sir.

Si dpogs was talking about the term in biblical usage (one who is "in Christ"), as distinguished from Catholic definition (one who is already in heaven).

But from the context of your post, you were only using the term in its ordinary usage, in reference to a holy person, in the sense of a metonymy in figure of speech.  It's a common expression to say, "they are no saints." 

Malinaw naman na walang technical meaning na sinasabi.  Baka side note lang yung kay sir dpogs.
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« Reply #1855 on: Oct 05, 2015 at 01:54 PM »
bible obsession, that is unsderstandable.....

but then, what good is it really? all this talk about religion if not to glorify Him,
by upliting humanity so that they can in turn worhship Him.......
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1856 on: Oct 07, 2015 at 08:05 PM »
Oct 7 is almost done in Asia but it's still early in the West.  Any signs of the predicted (by some religious) end of the world?
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« Reply #1857 on: Oct 07, 2015 at 08:41 PM »
What? Meron nagpost dito ng exact date kung kailan ang end of the world? :-o :-o

It may happen anytime, puwede bukas or mamya, but to give an exact date or time ay isang malaking kahangalan.
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« Reply #1858 on: Oct 07, 2015 at 08:47 PM »
Oct 7 is almost done in Asia but it's still early in the West.  Any signs of the predicted (by some religious) end of the world?

Signs of the end of the world or signs that the loonies are still here?  :D 

Only one group is predicting that.

Harold Camping, a Christian radio host, predicted:

- That Jesus will return to earth - May 21, 2011.  Wrong.  He revised the prophecy, saying that he correctly predicted the spiritual judgment of May 21, 2011.

- That Jesus will physically return to earth, and earth will be destroyed - Oct. 21, 2011.  Wrong again.

In 2012, Camping admitted that his predictions were wrong.  He died in 2013.
 

 
Now, Chris McCann, the leader of the Christian group eBible Fellowship, says Oct. 7, 2015 will be the end of the world.

McCann says his prediction is based on Camping's predictions.  May 21, 2011 was the beginning of God's judgment. The end of the world will come 1,600 days after the beginning of God's judgment, which falls on Oct. 7, 2015.
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« Reply #1859 on: Oct 07, 2015 at 09:06 PM »
What? Meron nagpost dito ng exact date kung kailan ang end of the world? :-o :-o

It may happen anytime, puwede bukas or mamya, but to give an exact date or time ay isang malaking kahangalan.

Ako, sigurado akong hindi bukas o mamaya.

Nasaan ang seven seals, seven trumpets, seven bowls of wrath?  Wala pa, di ba?

The sun should turn to darkness and the moon blood red.  Wala pa rin.

Has Christ returned without us knowing about it?  No.  The bible says when Christ returns, every eye shall see Him.  It would be impossible for anyone to be unaware of Christ's return, if He has indeed returned.

Well, if according to scripture, every eye is supposed to see Him, and my eye did not see Him, then it means He hasn't returned...  ;)   
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