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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #240 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 07:26 PM »
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« Reply #241 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 07:51 PM »
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #242 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 08:25 PM »
hala, meron na rin daw corruption sa INC? 

tinatanong pa ba yan?

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #244 on: Jul 25, 2015 at 08:41 PM »
bong revilla: "anak ng teteng, akala ko kami lang!"

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #245 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 07:52 AM »
tinatanong pa ba yan?



tanongin mo si Velarde kung saan nya dinadala ang mga "siksik liglig at umaapaw na abuloy"
meron na ba siyang naipatayong cathedral?
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #246 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 04:41 PM »
CBCP calls for prayers for INC.

Let's also not forget to pray for ourselves as we are all damned if it turns out that the INC doctrines are right.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #247 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 05:03 PM »
Parang tapos na ang problema.

Ang lumalabas ay walang hostage-taking.  Hindi yata pinanigan ng kapatiran sina Angel Manalo.  Tumawag ng people power sa harap ng residence niya, pero palpak.


INC followers weigh in on Angel Manalo's claims
Some INC members who were concerned about Angel and Tenny Manalo's plea for help now say they feel duped
http://www.rappler.com/nation/100315-iglesia-ni-cristo-followers-angel-manalo
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #248 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 05:51 PM »
but...
May minister sa States na mas piniling magbitiw during the service kesa basahin yung expulsion letter.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/126593/minister-cant-take-inc-infighting-steps-down

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #249 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 07:42 PM »
nahirap kung konsiyensya mo na ang kalaban mo....
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #250 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 08:56 PM »
I read an article and I hope more Filipinos convert to INC. More power to INC. May you have another 10,000 years more success. :)

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #251 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 09:27 PM »
but...
May minister sa States na mas piniling magbitiw during the service kesa basahin yung expulsion letter.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/126593/minister-cant-take-inc-infighting-steps-down

Yun tagubilin comes after the service. Not sa middle ng service. I have heard it and napakalinaw ng mensahe ni ka Eduardo. Napaiyak ako hindi dahil natiwalag sila pero dahil sa sitwasyon na ginawa nila, yet nagpakatatag pa din si ka Eduardo at hindi ang pansariling kapakanan ang sinunod nya.   Maikli pero maiintindihan mo kung bakit napagpasyahan ang gayon. Kung totoong Iglesia ni Cristo ka maliliwanagan ka sa nangyari.  Salamat sa inyo sa pag suporta sa amin.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #252 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 09:29 PM »
I think the INC remains strong even after this issue.


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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #253 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 09:34 PM »
Like any Filipino trait, pinalalagpas na lang ng nakararami,
And they would just shut up in times like this...
Yan din ang sinasabi ng mga brother in law ko na INC...


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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #254 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 10:03 PM »
di ba pag pinalampas o sweep under d rag, move forward, eh,
in a way nanalo "bad guys", kawawa un lumutang, pati pamilya nys

di kaya yung mga nkapaligid, close.inner circle or isang power clicque, mga rasputin nagco. control dun ss lider ?

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #255 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 10:21 PM »
before its too late, INC now needs heroes and martyrs among their members who will not just settle into the silent majority.

in reality, meron sila lahat karapatan magsalita dito kasi silang lahat na members ang nagbibigay ng kanilang ikapu, whose funds are all entrusted to their higher ups.

sayang naman ang 100 years na pinaghirapan ng kanilang mga ninuno...only to be corrupted by some of their higher ups.

naway malagpasan nila ang matinding mga pagsubok na ito.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #256 on: Jul 26, 2015 at 11:07 PM »
Im sure we will, halos ok na nga esp ng marinig na namin
Nangasiwa ang tagapamahala kaninang umaga. Everything will be resolved

Also ikapu is not true

Not sweeping under the rug. Proof is needed before youll be heard . Kung haka haka lang acusations mo sa fellow brother or sister mo malamang ikaw pa ang maaksyunan lalo na kung ikinalat mo na. Bawal kasi sa amin mag demandahan sa kapwa INC mo.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #257 on: Jul 27, 2015 at 12:29 AM »
religious organization cannot be liken to government form of organization... na kailangan kapag may corruption eh ipapamalita na agad sa buong mundo o barangay... it is not a corruption against the people of the philippines... no need na ng lifestyle check... it must be resolve first within organization and if you think wala na talaga pag-asa mabago then go out in that organzation/regligioius group...

if you need change in your church talk to the elders, talk to members... if nothing happens at kapit tuko pa rin sa posisyon... dont wait na sila pa magpaalis sa iyo... alis ka na kusa... hindi ka lalago spiritually kung magstay ka pa dyan...
There is none righteous, no not one.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #258 on: Jul 27, 2015 at 12:32 AM »
Not sweeping under the rug. Proof is needed before youll be heard .

Tama yan.

Sa interviews kina Angel Manalo and Isaias Samson, walang kakuwenta-kuwenta ang allegations.

Corruption daw.  Pero walang evidence, puro generalizations.

Kaya nga sa tingin ko, tapos na ang problema.
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« Reply #259 on: Jul 27, 2015 at 08:42 AM »
Tama yan.

Sa interviews kina Angel Manalo and Isaias Samson, walang kakuwenta-kuwenta ang allegations.

Corruption daw.  Pero walang evidence, puro generalizations.

Kaya nga sa tingin ko, tapos na ang problema.

http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/100445-iglesia-leaders-billions-pesos-aircraft

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #260 on: Jul 27, 2015 at 09:55 AM »
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/100445-iglesia-leaders-billions-pesos-aircraft

Corruption na ba yon?

All it alleges is that the church owns one expensive plane and leases another expensive plane.

Expensive, yes.  That's not enough to call it dishonest, fraudulent or corrupt.
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #261 on: Jul 28, 2015 at 07:56 AM »
...depending on what standards they are living with.

Angel is saying that the church is now deviating from the accepted church doctrines. If said acts like using the "abuloys" for business purposes are not supported by their church doctrines so maybe he is right in his allegation of anomaly or irregularity.
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« Reply #262 on: Jul 28, 2015 at 08:19 AM »
...depending on what standards they are living with.

Angel is saying that the church is now deviating from the accepted church doctrines. If said acts like using the "abuloys" for business purposes are not supported by their church doctrines so maybe he is right in his allegation of anomaly or irregularity.

I think wala talaga sa church doctrines nila yun. Or baka meron sa by-laws nila re purchasing.

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« Reply #263 on: Jul 28, 2015 at 09:57 AM »
The church has involved itself into business which we all know is full of corrupt people. To get its way easily the church may have given grease money to people in power and this has been one of the cases detested by some of the conservative people of the church. To ordinary course of things ok lang nman sana to. But similar situation may not be fine to those with traditional thinking. 
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« Reply #264 on: Jul 28, 2015 at 02:49 PM »
I think wala talaga sa church doctrines nila yun. Or baka meron sa by-laws nila re purchasing.

Kung violation ng church doctrines ang problema ni Angel, e di linawin niya na violation of church doctrines ang issue.
 
Kaso hindi ganon.  Corruption talaga ang sinasabi ni Angel.
 
"Hindi naman po sa kabuuan ang kurapsyon e. Nasa iilang tao lamang po ang gumagawa ng kasamaan at 'yun nga po ang sanggunian," he said, adding that his camp will release evidence in the coming days.
 
According to Manalo, the corruption allegedly involves the construction of the Philippine Arena in Bocaue, Bulacan.   
 
"Napakalaki na po ng maintenance cost po nun. Nahihirapan ang mga kapatid kakaabuloy, karagdagang abuloy," he said.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/529478/news/nation/angel-manalo-slams-two-iglesia-ni-cristo-officials-for-corruption   
 
Palagay na natin na malaking gastos nga.   
 
Kung ang reklamo mo ay malaki ang gastos, e di ang reklamo mo dapat ay mali lang ang business decision.  Hindi siya dapat lumundag agad sa corruption.
 
Bago niya sabihing corruption, ipakita niya na may nagbulsa ng pera, may tongpats, may personal na kumita.  Hindi yung malaki lang ang gastos, corruption na agad ang bintang.
 
Bakit ba siya itiniwalag?  Dahil naglabas siya ng video na sinasabing nasa panganib daw ang buhay nila.
 
Kung nasa panganib, dapat lumipat siya sa safehouse.  Hindi daw siya hostage, hindi rin siya nakakulong.  Pero hindi man lang umalis ng bahay, paano ka namang maniniwala doon.   
 
Natawa nga ako nung tumatawag ng people power habang nakadungaw sa opening ng steel gate.  Ang sabi ni Angel, "Huwag po tayong matakot."  Paano namang lalakas ang loob ng tinatawagan, huwag daw matakot, e siya nga itong hindi man lang makapagbukas ng gate kahit sa pulis, NBI, mayor Herbert, etc., ok na sa kanya ang dumungaw na lang sa bintana...  :D
 
Tapos yung karatula na nagsasabing hostage daw sila, sabi niya may bata lang daw na nagbibiro.  Pero kung titignan mo yung kamay at braso ng humahawak ng karatula na ayaw magpakita ang mukha, obvious na hindi naman bata, mukhang gayut na...  :D
 
Mas believable nga ang official statement ng INC ---  Angel wants control of the finances of the INC.  Hindi pinagbigyan, ayun, gumawa ng kasinungalingan. 
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« Reply #265 on: Jul 28, 2015 at 03:39 PM »
I agree with you. Plus, hindi ata pwedeng tawagin corruption yun. Baka theft or something but not corruption.

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« Reply #266 on: Jul 28, 2015 at 03:42 PM »
 
I agree with you. Plus, hindi ata pwedeng tawagin corruption yun. Baka theft or something but not corruption.

LOL! are you serious? :D
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« Reply #267 on: Jul 28, 2015 at 04:36 PM »

LOL! are you serious? :D

Misuse of funds probably?

After checking the meaning of corruption:
There is no globally accepted definition of corruption.[1] In philosophical, theological, ormoral discussions, corruption is the abuse of bestowed power or position to acquire a personal benefit. Corruption may include many activities including bribery andembezzlement. Government, or 'political', corruption occurs when an office-holder or other governmental employee acts in an official official capacity for personal gain.

Depende ata as to how our government would define corruption.
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« Reply #268 on: Jul 28, 2015 at 05:15 PM »
I agree with you. Plus, hindi ata pwedeng tawagin corruption yun. Baka theft or something but not corruption.

Kung theft, e di may corruption na nga.

Tignan mo yung definition mo sir, may personal benefit or personal gain.  Pag may theft, may personal gain, may corruption.

Ang sinasabi ko, kung malaking gastos ang eroplano at Arena, puwedeng mali ang desisyon sa gastos.  Pero nasaan doon ang evidence na may theft o personal na nagbulsa ng pera na INC Sanggunian member?

Malaki nga ang gastos, wala namang nagbulsa ng pera, ibang issue yon, hindi corruption.

Puwedeng may corruption na nangyari, bakit hindi.  Pero bigyan naman niya tayo ng basis.  Hindi yung malaki lang ang gastos, automatically tiyak na may theft or corruption na by a Sanggunian member.
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #269 on: Jul 28, 2015 at 07:37 PM »
corruption is when something is not true or pure...

likas ba sa tao ang magnakaw? sa values ko hinde....
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....