Topic: The Plasma Thread

[JAQY888]

Panasonic's new TVs are web-enabled
Watch YouTube on Panny’s new big screens
Watch YouTube on the tube {Panasonic PZ850}

Panasonic has unveiled a new range of Plasma TVs that allow you to access sites on the internet via its new VIERA CAST system.

The PZ850 series ranges houses four HDMI ports, has an impressive contrast ratio of 30,000:1, a dynamic ratio of 1,000,000:1 and 1080p 24p reproduction, so perfect for your Blu-ray Discs.

But this isn’t a TV just for your HD needs. It’s also a telly to feed your desire for web content. Quite why you would want to watch pixelated YouTube videos on your 46in TV is beyond us but Panasonic has kindly given you the option. The VIERA CAST will also allow you to access Picasso, Google’s photo sharing site, and Bloomberg.

Speaking about the YouTube link-up, Steve Chen, co-founder and CTO of YouTube said: “We’re dedicated to providing users around the world with a great YouTube experience no matter where they are.

“Working with an industry leader like Panasonic will deliver the same great YouTube experience that users have come to expect on their computers; browsing, finding and watching millions of YouTube videos from the comfort of their living room.”

The PZ850 comes in four sizes: 46in (TH-46PZ850); 50in (TH-50PZ850); 58in (TH-58PZ850); and 65in (TH-65PZ850). Pricing starts at $3,000 (£1,550). (techradar.com)

                                         

[barrister]

Panasonic Press Release:

Panasonic's plasma half-brightness rating upped to 100,000 hours
by Joshua Topolsky, posted Aug 8th 2007 at 2:05PM

http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/08/panasonics-plasma-half-brightness-rating-upped-to-100-000-hours/

Today's Panasonic Plasma TVs Might Outlast Owners
Thursday August 14, 11:57 am ET

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080814/nyth070a.html?.v=1

[barrister]

Smaller Sizes Helping Boost Plasma Sales
Flat-panel sales in the 32- and 42-inch size range --
with 32 inches new to the category -- made Q2 2008 a
productive one for plasma TVs.

http://www.electronichouse.com/article/smaller_sizes_helping_boost_plasma_sales/C157

[barrister]

Hitachi to buy Matsushita plasma TV panels - Nikkei
Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:05pm EDT

TOKYO, Sept 18 (Reuters) - Japan's Hitachi Ltd will buy plasma TV panels from Panasonic-maker Matsushita Electric Industrial Co as the firms cut costs in a market increasingly dominated by LCD TVs ...

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUST8877120080917

[ninjababez®]

barrister what model are you using right now?

[barrister]

Panasonic TH-42PA60M, EDTV.

Unedited screenshots:

The Sixth Sense, burned on DVD-R single layer.

It's a 9th generation Viera, the last of the Japan made 42 inch models from Panasonic Philippines.

Jurassic na ito, 480p lang kasi ang native resolution.  You will start seeing the panel's native pixels at 6 feet and closer (my sofa is 10 feet away).

But the advantage is that it has a near-perfect resolution match with SD DVD.  No problem with pixel mapping, but it only works well with NTSC video; PAL gets some shimmering.  No burn-in whatsoever.  Never even had a hint of IR.

I figure I will not upgrade it until they solve the green phosphor lag problem. 

[ninjababez®]

Panasonic TH-42PA60M, EDTV.

Unedited screenshots:

It's a 9th generation Viera, the last of the Japan made 42 inch models from Panasonic Philippines.

Jurassic na ito, 480p lang kasi ang native resolution.  You will start seeing the panel's native pixels at 6 feet and closer (my sofa is 10 feet away).

But the advantage is that it has a near-perfect resolution match with SD DVD.  No problem with pixel mapping, but it only works well with NTSC video; PAL gets some shimmering.  No burn-in whatsoever.  Never even had a hint of IR.

I figure I will not upgrade it until they solve the green phosphor lag problem. 

galit ka talaga sa green phospor ha .. 
have you seen the pv8 series? 
btw is the hd version of I robot and dvd the same, i mean can they both show the issue with green phospor lag?
i want to check my pv80 kasi baka sakaling wala na .. maconvince kita bumili ..

[barrister]

galit ka talaga sa green phospor ha .. 

Well, sa tingin ko mahirap na mag-upgrade.  Wala akong kaproble-problema sa IR, baka pag nag-upgrade ako magka IR pa.  Tapos pareho rin ang green trails problem.  Wag na lang ... 

have you seen the pv8 series? 

Yes, sa big appliance store chain.  Maganda talaga.  Very confident mag-demo ng SD DVD sa bright showroom.  Yung mga LCD puro hi def on hard disc or BD ang source.

btw is the hd version of I robot and dvd the same, i mean can they both show the issue with green phospor lag?
i want to check my pv80 kasi baka sakaling wala na .. maconvince kita bumili ..

Hindi ko pa nakita sa BD, pero siguradong pareho rin yon.  Yung response speed ng green phosphor ng panel ang problema, hindi yung source material. 

Kung hindi sila makakadevelop ng bagong green phosphor, pareho rin yan, kahit 4K resolution sa holographic disc pa ang source mo.

But very few people can see it.  If you do, you will be only the 4th member here to observe it.

i want to check my pv80 kasi baka sakaling wala na .. maconvince kita bumili ..

Meron din yan.  In fact, na-confirm na ni sir Carlo777:

Guys paki post naman good settings for the pv8 when it comes to ...

... BTW, THERE ARE GREEN TRAILS WHEN YOU PLAY A GAME (noticable when you move fast, and look around). IS THIS NORMAL?

PV8 daw, pero kung PV80, ganun din yon kasi pareho rin ang panel.

[DevilHands]

Are green phosphor lag a problem on all plasmas?

[barrister]

Yes, definitely.  But many would not consider it a problem, because they can't see it anyway.

Let's just put it this way:  Is it present on all plasmas?  ---  Yes. 

[just_elevates]

Sir, pa pm ng pricelist ng lcd tvs 32-40. thanks po.

[darkwing]

thats why kung gaming, mas ganda pa rin ang LCD,

[ninjababez®]

thats why kung gaming, mas ganda pa rin ang LCD,

what type of game? is it for ps3 gaming or pc gaming?
im playing PS3 games using LG and panasonic plasma  without any issues .. detailed parin .. btw although my lg was an EDTV, it still has details at 1080i .. (no hiccups too)

[ninjababez®]

@barrister too bad my buddy who downloads hd stuff for me prioritized band of brothers ..
ill be getting my .mkv i robot next week .. or if theres one in video city ill rent it instead ..

[dredmund]

Are green phosphor lag a problem on all plasmas?

I'm sorry for my ignorance, but what is green phospor lag? 
Thanks

dredmund

[barrister]

Try browsing this article:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/plasma-phosphor-trail-2007040133.htm

[Bolshoie]

@barrister too bad my buddy who downloads hd stuff for me prioritized band of brothers ..
ill be getting my .mkv i robot next week .. or if theres one in video city ill rent it instead ..

meron ako DVD...pwede ko dalhin bukas 

[ninjababez®]

meron ako DVD...pwede ko dalhin bukas 

uy thanks bro .. usap tayo IM .. hehehe 

[ninjababez®]

barrister i just got the copy from Bolshoie .. what was the timestamp again? so i can go directly to that part/chapter .. thanks bro 

[ninjababez®]

barrister i just got the copy from Bolshoie .. what was the timestamp again? so i can go directly to that part/chapter .. thanks bro 

found it .. tama ba ito? sa lcd thread ko rin kasi nakita eh ..

That's right.  The best way is to actually see for yourself before deciding.
You might want to bring these DVD discs along for testing judder:

I, Robot, Chap. 10, Time: 25:35 to 25:57.  Look at the robots.  (Note: on plasma, you will also see green phosphor lag on the robots in addition to the judder )

The Day After Tomorrow, Chap.1, Time: 00:53 to 02:55.  Look at the foreground.

thanks nga pala bolshoie for lending me your copy 

[darkwing]

what type of game? is it for ps3 gaming or pc gaming?
im playing PS3 games using LG and panasonic plasma  without any issues .. detailed parin .. btw although my lg was an EDTV, it still has details at 1080i .. (no hiccups too)

i play my PS3 on my LCD at Plasma iba talaga ang res hehe sabagay 1024 x 768 lang plasma namin, yung pv80h, tapos 1366 x 768 something sa LCD lols i have the same experience on this thread :

"I ´ve recently changed from a 32" LCD to a 42" Plasma. Compared both images, LCD for PS3 gaming seems more "computer like" graphics, very brilliant and the text it´s well defined, like a PC monitor.
The Plasma it´s still as good, but not that brilliant, colors are softer (maybe realistics?), but when you pop up a BD movie or a DVD, the Plasma beats the LCD hands down.
So i think you have to prioritize"

ito pala ang reason

"May be because your plasma doesn't have square pixels, they're rectangular on 42" monitors. Rectangular pixels are notoriously bad for text reproduction."

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=856400

crap, looks like i need a 50" to get 1366 x 768 on a plasma lols oh well mostly the plasma is 90% used for movies anyway and i play my ps3 mostly on my LCD monitor

[ninjababez®]

crap, looks like i need a 50" to get 1366 x 768 on a plasma lols oh well mostly the plasma is 90% used for movies anyway and i play my ps3 mostly on my LCD monitor

adjust the DPI nalang if youre having issues with the text ..
sa gaming kasi medyo subjective narin siguro .. i liked it better sa pana pv80 (lg 32plasma and pv70) compared to my lcdtv before which was panasonic 32lx77.

[ninjababez®]

barrister i already checked the timestamps that you posted for both movies (i, robot and day after tomorrow) ..
i guess im one of those who cant see it .. but my next question is .. what am i really looking for? .. no green stuff (i checked the black and the white part of the robots and the background as well .. same as with the movie day after tomorrow smooth as well) .. if its not too much to ask .. maybe you can post an image with the phospor lag?  (please )

[darkwing]

Its called phosphor lag, some people see it, some don't but the video cam can see it very well, its like the refresh rate on monitor CRTs, if you can notice the difference between 60hz and 72hz for instance you can notice this, so blessed are those who are insensitive hehe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVw_VvFcV1U&feature=related

just read the comments below...

haven't noticed this myself, but i haven't really bumped up the contrast/brightness on my plasma yet and i'm sensitive to these things, amf!!!

[joepaps]

maka singit lang mga sir.
try nyo the Final Fantasy Vll Advent Children, you can see a lot of Phosphor Lag in the last fight of the main character of the movie.

[barrister]

barrister i already checked the timestamps that you posted for both movies (i, robot and day after tomorrow) ..
i guess im one of those who cant see it ..

I, Robot ang nakita kong may green trails, not The Day After Tomorrow.

The Day After Tomorrow shows judder, but I didn't see green trails there.  On I, Robot, may judder na, may green trails pa. 

By the way, my time stamps were from the R3 versions.  But I suppose there will be a time difference only when compared with PAL (R2, R4) discs.     

.. but my next question is .. what am i really looking for? .. no green stuff (i checked the black and the white part of the robots and the background as well .. same as with the movie day after tomorrow smooth as well) .. if its not too much to ask .. maybe you can post an image with the phospor lag?  (please )

Wala akong videocam e.  In any case, sir darkwing's YouTube post on Reply #383 above clearly shows how it looks like naman.

But that YouTube video is not an accurate representation, since the videocam is introducing its own artifacts, probably because it does not capture an exact 1:1 framerate from the source via its own lens. 

The videocam shows an exaggerated green trail, much worse and much slower than it looks like in the real world.  But the clip is very useful if the only purpose is to give you some idea about how the green trails look like.

[ninjababez®]

I, Robot ang nakita kong may green trails, not The Day After Tomorrow.

The Day After Tomorrow shows judder, but I didn't see green trails there.  On I, Robot, may judder na, may green trails pa. 

By the way, my time stamps were from the R3 versions.  But I suppose there will be a time difference only when compared with PAL (R2, R4) discs.     




Wala akong videocam e.  In any case, sir darkwing's YouTube post on Reply #383 above clearly shows how it looks like naman.

But that YouTube video is not an accurate representation, since the videocam is introducing its own artifacts, probably because it does not capture an exact 1:1 framerate from the source via its own lens. 

The videocam shows an exaggerated green trail, much worse and much slower than it looks like in the real world.  But the clip is very useful if the only purpose is to give you some idea about how the green trails look like.

wala akong nakita on both bro .. maybe im just lucky i cant notice those things .. 
ah sorry i notice the delay sa day after tomorrow but it was tolerable .. no green stuff though .. btw i cant checkout the youtube vids ..bawal sa office .. i can do a workaround but id rather not .. labas nalang muna ako, punta ako internet cafe ..

[ninjababez®]

using R3 dvd on i robot and pirat3d version of a day after tomorrow .. 

update .. i already saw the video in youtube .. and i didnt experience that, even in ps3 gaming  ..

[Bolshoie]

using R3 dvd on i robot and pirat3d version of a day after tomorrow .. 

update .. i already saw the video in youtube .. and i didnt experience that, even in ps3 gaming  ..

tawag sayo pinagpala 

[darkwing]

some people's eyes are just sensitive to it, mind you, the lag only occurs for several milliseconds pero makakita pa rin ang iba, as for me i only notice this in fast, high contrast movement, ganyan effect sa sample youtube video pero hinde ganyan ka grabe hehehe sanayan lang yata to  na check ko yung sinabi ni joepapas regarding FF:AC, yup prime example yun XD very sensitive rin eyes ko, i can spot the difference from a 60hz and a 72hz refresh rate in a crt monitor maski several feet away