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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1140 on: Jan 07, 2012 at 01:36 PM »
Para everybody happy hingi na lang ako discount sa shop ninyong dalawa.. San po sa gilmore yan :)

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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1141 on: Jan 07, 2012 at 04:01 PM »
mga sir patulong po. napansin ko lang po pag nanonood ako gamit ang htpc, parang hirap sya ireproduce ang colors sa mga dark scenes o yung mga may umuusok parang sa cowboys and aliens. parang layered sya from dark to lighter colors, halata yung layers samantalang pag sa bd player (mkv capable) ako nanuod, ok naman yung mga scenes na ganun, uniform yung screen, wala yung mga parang layers na sinasabo ko.. sinubukan ko na iadjust brightness and contrast sa pc pero ganun pa rin po.. ganun po ba talaga pag sa pc or meron lang adjustment na kelangan? video card ko po ay ati radeon hd4650. sony po parehas tv and bd player..

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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1142 on: Jan 07, 2012 at 04:38 PM »
@stagea a now decided to go to amd... pero may nabasa ako kasi yung nirecommend mo sa akin FM processor tapos meron din AM3+ ano difference nila which is better??

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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1143 on: Jan 07, 2012 at 06:14 PM »
@stagea a now decided to go to amd... pero may nabasa ako kasi yung nirecommend mo sa akin FM processor tapos meron din AM3+ ano difference nila which is better??

AM3 is older and is used on Sempron, Athlon II, Phenom II and lower Opteron processors.

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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1144 on: Jan 07, 2012 at 06:49 PM »
It surely is 3d-capable. What sort of 3d feature are you looking for?

3d movies sbs n 3d bluray

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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1145 on: Jan 07, 2012 at 11:29 PM »
mga sir patulong po. napansin ko lang po pag nanonood ako gamit ang htpc, parang hirap sya ireproduce ang colors sa mga dark scenes o yung mga may umuusok parang sa cowboys and aliens. parang layered sya from dark to lighter colors, halata yung layers samantalang pag sa bd player (mkv capable) ako nanuod, ok naman yung mga scenes na ganun, uniform yung screen, wala yung mga parang layers na sinasabo ko.. sinubukan ko na iadjust brightness and contrast sa pc pero ganun pa rin po.. ganun po ba talaga pag sa pc or meron lang adjustment na kelangan? video card ko po ay ati radeon hd4650. sony po parehas tv and bd player..
na-try mo sa ibang player?
dxva compliant like mpchc
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1146 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 12:02 AM »
3d movies sbs n 3d bluray

That's a very basic capability of PCs these days, only low power devices like the atom and its competitors omit this.

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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1147 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 12:38 AM »
na-try mo sa ibang player?
dxva compliant like mpchc
thanks! sinubukan ko mpc ngayon sir, nakainstall sa pc pero d ko ginagamit kase parang madilim, pero pansin ko mas ok nga colors compared to xbmc, wala masyadong clouding effect.. pero mas maganda pa rin quality pag dun sa bd player.. ganun po ba talaga?

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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1148 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 01:24 AM »
thanks! sinubukan ko mpc ngayon sir, nakainstall sa pc pero d ko ginagamit kase parang madilim, pero pansin ko mas ok nga colors compared to xbmc, wala masyadong clouding effect.. pero mas maganda pa rin quality pag dun sa bd player.. ganun po ba talaga?
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1149 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 01:40 AM »
since youre trying to play an mkv file, try kmplayer.
just downlaod and install for testing, if the it does not work for you just uninstall it.
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1150 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 02:51 AM »
brader jamy have you tried splash?
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« Last Edit: Jan 08, 2012 at 02:54 AM by joko11 »
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1151 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 03:14 AM »
brader jamy have you tried splash?
pm me details kung san makakuha ng special version 
si xrampage nakalimutan na yung invite ko ;D ;D
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1152 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 03:45 AM »
pm me details kung san makakuha ng special version 
si xrampage nakalimutan na yung invite ko ;D ;D
busy yun kakapagawa ng lungga nya ;D
yung 2 tera ko nga nasa kanya pa :'(
pm sent..
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1153 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 04:11 AM »
busy yun kakapagawa ng lungga nya ;D
OT: nakow wag kamo sya masyado magbuhat at baka di na sya lumaki ;D
pm replied :)
btw splash pro can output HD audio rin ba?
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1154 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 04:12 AM »
btw splash pro can output HD audio rin ba?
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1155 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 07:41 AM »
For those who want to "mildly game" with their htpc (since I keep on seeing that term), here's a video comparing Llano with Sandy Bridge when running a current gaming load:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5VsEuWCBaM&feature=related

The i3-2105 is fairly rare locally, but it's essentially an i3-2100 with faster graphics (Intel HD 3000 vs. Intel HD 2000). An i5-2500k or higher should score just about the same, since it runs the same GPU.

Suffice to say, Intel's integrated solutions are not enough to run today's demanding 3D FPS games (unless you can live with eye-wateringly-low frame rates or very watered down video settings).

You can play older games or less demanding genres (RPGs and the like) with them just fine, however. To give you a comparison, Intel's integrated graphics is about as fast as the PS3's GPU, but a lot better because it integrates modern-day capability. Some may think: "That's not so bad then?" -- well, let's dig deeper. This hardware may be adequate in a console, but PC games are typically built with higher levels of physics and graphics complexity when compared to the console version of the same game, as this is to take advantage of the extra processing capability that's often available in a PC (and is demanded by PC gaming enthusiasts in general, as being on the leading edge is the main lure of PC gaming over console gaming). PC hardware moves forward all the time, and software advances to make something out of that potential. In the PC world, PS3 hardware was obsolete when it was launched. It was based on a scaled-down version of a PC GPU design from 2005. In terms of processing speed, it's about a twenty fifth of what's available now. In terms of capability, it's not even remotely comparable (it looks downright primitive).

The only reason game consoles work is because the software designers optimize their programs for that level of capability and they optimize it for a single type of hardware (since the same hardware will last for years, maybe in different packages of the same basic tech). It can be likened to a phone or a tablet application; it works despite the weak processing available because the program had been simplified and optimized to work with what's available. Console gamers put more focus on the actual gameplay in general, and care less about the technical aspects of things (or don't want to worry about upgrading to play the latest and greatest). A typical PC gamer is like an audiophile, audiophiles want to get the greatest rendition of a sound. A typical console gamer is more like a music lover, a music lover would enjoy his music even if it comes out of a megaphone.

Oops... this is getting too long. Time for a topic change...

Here's a quad-core Llano against a quad-core Sandy Bridge running 4 simultaneous loads:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD3ScERWx5I
Notice that 3 of the 4 loads are graphics-intensive though (I wonder how many people really do that), but this is an AMD presentation. They're essentially highlighting the advantage of having better graphics processing available in a computer. The Llano does these things a lot faster and with better video and 3d quality, at a fraction of the price.

Intel excels on purely compute-type workloads (and they do these things better than AMD at the moment), but their current processors need the help of a dedicated GPU for heavy multimedia use. For the record, 3D BD movie playback does not count as anywhere near "heavy" and any up-to-date system should be able to handle that easily. This is why system power consumption is typically low during accelerated movie playback -- the PC is essentially idling its way through the task.
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1156 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 09:16 AM »
wow.. grabe! galing ako gilmore sir stagea.. tama kapo.. meron 800.. meron pang 750 na pqi brand(which i think is also a good brand)

mamaya magbubuo kami.. hehe htpc para sa friend kong girl (naingit saaming boys.. hehe gusto din ng htpc for her 46" tv in her room..) aga nagkaroon ng 46 niyan eh.. para sa hindi techie... 2 yrs ago pa yata siya.. nung naka 32 pa kami

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4gbram
my friend's old hd
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1157 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 09:45 AM »
I remember Paul bringing up Sony's marketing gimmick of calling the PS3 a "supercomputer" when it was launched in 2007, and how it may be used by rouge nations. It was to prey on the ignorant, as they were basing it on supercomputer standards from the early 80s. The PS3's processor is about as fast a Cray X-MP, which was a supercomputer in 1982. LOL. The mainstream PC was at that level in 1999. I'm sure Iran and North Korea had PCs back then.
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1158 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 10:10 AM »
wow.. grabe! galing ako gilmore sir stagea.. tama kapo.. meron 800.. meron pang 750 na pqi brand(which i think is also a good brand)

mamaya magbubuo kami.. hehe htpc para sa friend kong girl (naingit saaming boys.. hehe gusto din ng htpc for her 46" tv in her room..) aga nagkaroon ng 46 niyan eh.. para sa hindi techie... 2 yrs ago pa yata siya.. nung naka 32 pa kami

i3-2100
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4gbram
my friend's old hd
aurum psu
emaxx rebel case

Nice. Best of luck. :)

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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1159 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 03:07 PM »
AM3 is older and is used on Sempron, Athlon II, Phenom II and lower Opteron processors.

so FM na po ako... go for llano...???

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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1160 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 06:51 PM »
i3-2100
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nice bro. magkano inabot?   :)
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1161 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 07:18 PM »
Yung splash pro EX po hindi nag nag output ng dolby at DTS pag naka toslink/optical ka

hindi ko alam lang sa dolby trued HD or sa DTS HD...

kse nasubukan ko na ..meron ako sa laptop nyan..ang nababasa lang ng recevier ko eh prologic lang..

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« Reply #1162 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 08:40 PM »
Yung splash pro EX po hindi nag nag output ng dolby at DTS pag naka toslink/optical ka

hindi ko alam lang sa dolby trued HD or sa DTS HD...

kse nasubukan ko na ..meron ako sa laptop nyan..ang nababasa lang ng recevier ko eh prologic lang..

weird, unless the media being played is just stereo.
will try this via laptop hdmi out and hd audio capable receiver later this week.
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1163 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 11:40 PM »
@ninjababez..
sa pchub po kami nakakuha

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parang ganyan...
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1164 on: Jan 08, 2012 at 11:52 PM »
thanks sa price list  :)
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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1165 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 08:14 AM »
so FM na po ako... go for llano...???

That makes sense. I don't see the budget that we're talking about as anywhere near optimal for an AM3+ build. It would work for AM3 (older) or FM1.

An FX Processor, an AM3+ board with a 9-series chipset and a dedicated video adapter would likely cost far more than a Llano build, so they are generally not comparable. You have to build a pretty wretched Bulldozer system to get down to Llano levels of cost. They're just targeted at different segments.

The Bulldozer aka 'FX' CPU and its AM3+ platform are not optimized for low system cost and low power consumption. They are intended for PC enthusiasts and people with higher performance demands. Their combination is like a 2-seater performance car. The product serves a specialized target market that's willing to forego some practicality in favor of performance.

The Llano aka 'A' APU and its FM1 platform are optimized for the mainstream user who values good performance, reasonable system cost and low power consumption. Together, they are like your typical sedan or SUV. The product appeals to the sensibilities of the majority by being capable, affordable and inexpensive to run.

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« Reply #1166 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 12:11 PM »
That makes sense. I don't see the budget that we're talking about as anywhere near optimal for an AM3+ build. It would work for AM3 (older) or FM1.

An FX Processor, an AM3+ board with a 9-series chipset and a dedicated video adapter would likely cost far more than a Llano build, so they are generally not comparable. You have to build a pretty wretched Bulldozer system to get down to Llano levels of cost. They're just targeted at different segments.

The Bulldozer aka 'FX' CPU and its AM3+ platform are not optimized for low system cost and low power consumption. They are intended for PC enthusiasts and people with higher performance demands. Their combination is like a 2-seater performance car. The product serves a specialized target market that's willing to forego some practicality in favor of performance.

The Llano aka 'A' APU and its FM1 platform are optimized for the mainstream user who values good performance, reasonable system cost and low power consumption. Together, they are like your typical sedan or SUV. The product appeals to the sensibilities of the majority by being capable, affordable and inexpensive to run.



nabasa ko nga po ibang architecture na pala yung bulldozer akala ko same sila... thanks po sa mga info learned at lot from you am already down to my boards... sent you a PM regarding dun pero I will also post it here para everyone will benefit from your feed back....

Gigabyte
 GA-A75M-UD2H (rev. 1.0)
 GA-A75N-USB3 (rev. 1.0)
Asus
 F1A75-I DELUXE
 F1A75-M PRO
 F1A75-M
Asrock
 A75M-ITX
 A75 Pro4-M
 A75M


Also am really on a tight budget and based from my canvass a6-3500 vs a6-3650 pricing has a 1.1k difference... is there a big leap in the performance if I go for a6-3650 or a6-3500 will be value for money at the same time I won't feel under powered.

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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1167 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 01:10 PM »
Gigabyte
 GA-A75M-UD2H (rev. 1.0)
 GA-A75N-USB3 (rev. 1.0)
Asus
 F1A75-I DELUXE
 F1A75-M PRO
 F1A75-M
Asrock
 A75M-ITX
 A75 Pro4-M
 A75M
Zotac
 Zotac A75-ITX WiFi

Dagdag ko na pala yung Zotac second na mahal na ITX board sa market.. una kasi yung sa Asus yung deluxe then Asrock....

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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1168 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 06:34 PM »
weird, unless the media being played is just stereo.
will try this via laptop hdmi out and hd audio capable receiver later this week.

Nagagawa nyo po bang mapalabas sa receiver yung dolby or DTS using this player sir?

sa MPC, KMP + CoreAVC and VLC wala po akong problem pero pag dito lang ayaw mapalabas.

napaka simple lang naman ng option nya (splashPRO) pero hindi ko magawa.


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Re: Share your HTPC set-up Part2
« Reply #1169 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 07:17 PM »
Gigabyte
 GA-A75M-UD2H (rev. 1.0)
 GA-A75N-USB3 (rev. 1.0)
Asus
 F1A75-I DELUXE
 F1A75-M PRO
 F1A75-M
Asrock
 A75M-ITX
 A75 Pro4-M
 A75M
Zotac
 Zotac A75-ITX WiFi

Dagdag ko na pala yung Zotac second na mahal na ITX board sa market.. una kasi yung sa Asus yung deluxe then Asrock....

That's a mixture of uATX and mITX boards. Anong form factor ba ang gusto mo? Check the board features din kung kumpleto ang mga hinahanap mo.

In terms of brand, I generally prefer Gigabyte, followed by Asus. Asrock is a good budget brand din naman.