Topic: Marantz Receivers

[odyopayl]

bro odyopayl pangit po ba pag sa dvd player lang ako mag audio cd?

Di naman sa pangit, iba lang talaga playback ng dedicated CD player. Marami kasi detalye na nawawala especially sa Soundstage. In my experience  CD player have Wider & Deeper soundstage.
Try to coordinate with other members near your place and make a simple shoot-out between CD player & DVD player playback.
To understand the magic of two channel  when listening to audio CD. Attend some listening session together with some members.
Hear it with yourself for your own reference. owning a good CD player not necessary mean expensive, there are surplus CD player & second hand unit available, ask for the help of other members who are expert (experienced) in finding the best model available.

enjoy your hobby

[Gubs]

@Odyopayl
Ty sa advice,d na ko nag papalit ng speaker settings puro small na lang,
mas maganda ang tunog pag upper bass on up lang concentrated ang speakers ko.80 hz ang lowest crossover setting ng 4500 kaya dun ko sinet.Anyway set up this way together with tone controls,more than adequate yung bass at solid and heavy ang sound when the material calls for it.
Gubs

[food]

That's weird considering the resolution of CD playback compared to FM (radio Signal). Lets try to fix it:
1. What is your CD player?
2. What is your connection? Digital or analog (2pair of RCA)
            - In case RCA (analog) Try to use i pc. of RCA connected to your receiver (Your receiver might be capable of upsampling 24/192
             - or the other way around
3. Try to use you DVD player as your CD player
I'll wait for your reply.

Right now, I'm using my DVD player as my CD player din. I dont know kasi pano pumunta sa pier. para dun na lang sana bumili ng dedicated CD player.  Besides, I'm using a generic player. Digital connection ang akin. BTW, 4500 model yung receiver ko.

Tnx bro!!!

[odyopayl]

Right now, I'm using my DVD player as my CD player din. I dont know kasi pano pumunta sa pier. para dun na lang sana bumili ng dedicated CD player. Besides, I'm using a generic player. Digital connection ang akin. BTW, 4500 model yung receiver ko.

Tnx bro!!!

Some entry-level DVD player now have capability of 24/96 resolution and some have upsampling of 24/192. Try to experiment on connection. Set your DVD player to maximum upsampling (24/96 or 24.192 if available) put a stereo RCA (analog) connection directly to your Receiver via CD input. Try to compare switching on both Digital & Analog (I'm sure your MArantz receiver have this switch on the remote) then  compare.

[kt]

bro odyopayl tnx for the advise! well how abt the new dvd players thats already sacd n dvd-audios? are they good narin for cd playback? tnx

[av_phile1]

bro odyopayl pangit po ba pag sa dvd player lang ako mag audio cd?

bro food! im using MS904, MS905c, & MS903s speakers. so far ok naman mga default settings nya. baka lang kasi di ko naooptimze kaya sayang din dba? oh bat mas ok FM kesa cd bro? baka sa source mo?

Right now, I'm using my DVD player as my CD player din. I dont know kasi pano pumunta sa pier. para dun na lang sana bumili ng dedicated CD player.  Besides, I'm using a generic player. Digital connection ang akin. BTW, 4500 model yung receiver ko.

Tnx bro!!!

Some personal observations you may want to consider:

1.   DVD players generally have a lower analog output in terms of volt RMS than many other sources (FM tuners, CD players, tape decks.)  That's because manufactuers play it safe kwowing the dynamic range of many DVD materials can easily tax most receivers at normal listening levels.    From the softest to the loudest, most DVD materials have more dynamics than CD materials, except classical stuff.  Most CD players, tape decks and tuners average around 2.2 Volts RMS at maximum output, DVD averages 1 volt less.    Anything louder is psychoaccoustically perceived as sounding better.  To top it off or to add to the perception, AM/FM Tuners, especially in receivers, can often overdrive the input levels of their amps, so they tend to sound louder than most sources coming from the line level input at the same volume setting.  So i wouldn't be surprised if the FM tuners sounds better than a CD or your DVD player on some receivers.   

2   The quality of the audio from a DVD or CD player becomes an issue only if you use the player's DAC and analog output, not when it's connected digitally.  Using the digital connection (toslink or coax) reduces any digital player (DVD, CD, PC) to a transport mechanism and laser pickup device.  The preamp's or receiver's DACs. filters and op-amps take over to determine the character of the analog waveform.  Now whether a player is good as a transport mechanism is another issue altogether.  A lot has been said about jitter rates contributed by the transport mechanism.  Though that may be true, I doubt if its audibility can be totally distracting in entry level and even mid-priced gears.

Just my thoughts.

[odyopayl]

bro odyopayl tnx for the advise! well how abt the new dvd players thats already sacd n dvd-audios? are they good narin for cd playback? tnx

I can only speak with my experience. I have Pioneer 655 model, the first entry level DVD-A & SACD capable player. DVD-A & SACD are already discrete multi-channel playback, it all depends on your software (DVD-A or SACD). I mean channel separation was already in the recording what you need is only 3pairs of analog IC & Set of good speakers preferably the same with your front speakers.
2 channel for me is more complicated to achieved, you really need a good CD player to match with good amplifier & speakers. I enjoy multi-channel playback but 2 channel listening is another issue.
Some  criteria for a good 2 channel playback are:
- Sound stage, wider & deeper is better
- Accuracy
- Weight
These are the qualities you need to look on the player, others can be achieved by speakers & positioning as well as room treatment.
My universdal DVD player outperform by my CD player in 2 channel playback.
Above all this is just me, you should hear it for your self.

[kt]

sir av n odyopayl tnx for the tips!

well i'll just settle with my planned dvd player for the moment...hehe

[odyopayl]

sir av n odyopayl tnx for the tips!

well i'll just settle with my planned dvd player for the moment...hehe

I suggest get a DVD player with upsampling of 24/192 on analog output. This will be good start  especially if not universal player.

[kt]

bro odyopayl! how abt the pioneer 686a? im planning to get that kasi eh...wat u tink bro?

[odyopayl]

bro odyopayl! how abt the pioneer 686a? im planning to get that kasi eh...wat u tink bro?

I'm not familiar with pioneer 686 but if it's the improved version of Pioneer 676 universal DVD player it's good. BTW, how much is the retail as of now?

[kt]

bro odyopayl the srp for the 686a is around php7990... havnt read any reviews yet eh...

[food]

Bro AV_phile and Odyopayl,

Tnx for the tips. sa uulitin..

[Gubs]

@KT
Quote from KT:
(bro gubs tnx agn! i did try to set the fronts to Large and the preference bass to both kaso di na tumunog yung sub eh   so mas ok na yung center n surrounds to ba always sa Small setting lang?).

Sorry tagal na topic to.Pero sabi kasi ng kaibigan ko dapat tumunog yung sub pag large ang settings ng speaker at naka both ang settings sa preference.
Sinubukan ko ulit at gumagana lang sya pagka stereo at cs2 mode, sa iba tulad ng dpl2 at dts neo etc, ayaw tumunog unless iset sa small yung speakers.Hindi rin gumagana pagka nakaresample yung cd o mp3 sa 96k. As I mentioned before walang problema yung sub sa dts at ddigital digital in.(Audio input ko coaxial in lang dko pa natest sa analog 5.1 in)
Hope this helps
Gubs

[kt]

bro gubs tnx for the help agn!

guys pano pala use ng 7.1 analog outs ba yun? wat if from player to avr?

[backdraft]

mga ser, match ba ang marantz and wharfe daimonds? just asking your personal opinions or reviews regarding the match-up on music and movies. im planning to upgrade my amp. 

thanks! 

sir KT YGPM!

[kt]

guys help naman sa pagsetup ng analog connections ng marantz for sacd....pano po ba? tnx

[Philander]

guys help naman sa pagsetup ng analog connections ng marantz for sacd....pano po ba? tnx

just a 3 sets of analog RCA cables (use quality not necessarily branded cables). Then connect the 5.1 analog our of the SACD player (if multichannel) to 5.1/6.1  analog in of your Marantz receiver. In the DVD player set to have multi-channel output and be sure that the input source in the receiver is the analog 5.1/6.1.

[kt]

tnx sir phil! wud there be a diference if i use coax cables like for the SW instead of rca cables? wont i need to set anything on the avr?

[Philander]

tnx sir phil! wud there be a diference if i use coax cables like for the SW instead of rca cables? wont i need to set anything on the avr?

Sa marantz, limited ang settings, you can only adjust the volume per channel.

Yung speaker size and distance nasa SACD player settings na yun.

About the cables, coax cable and RCA cables you are referring are technically the same.

[backdraft]

mga ser, match ba ang marantz and wharfe daimonds? just asking your personal opinions or reviews regarding the match-up on music and movies. im planning to upgrade my amp. 

thanks! 

any marantz/wharfe users here? 

[bumblebee]

any marantz/wharfe users here? 

A new-found PinoyDVD friend uses an SR4500 w/ the 8.3/8cc/8.1. I think he's quite satisfied w/ the combo.

[kt]

tnx bro phil! wat setting for the speaker gain did u set yours ba? n for the speakers setting sa dvd player (pioneer dv-686a) should i just leave the speaker setting to small just like the avrs?

so the regular rcas wud give the same performance as those 75ohm coax cables?

tnx

[Philander]

tnx bro phil! wat setting for the speaker gain did u set yours ba? n for the speakers setting sa dvd player (pioneer dv-686a) should i just leave the speaker setting to small just like the avrs?

Now this hard. Since we have different receiver/player model and speaker (I have M 4300, P 667A, and mordaunt short 914s), and I have different listening room, speaker position, sound preference, etc. I may not be able to share my settings (I can share but I dont think it will be useful in your system).

The speaker distance and size should complement your actual speaker size and your set-up (speaker distance). My left and right front speaker does not have the same distance to my listening area, (because my listening room is not square) so I have different speaker gain for my front speakers.

so the regular rcas wud give the same performance as those 75ohm coax cables?
tnx

Define "regular rcas", hehehheh

[kt]

bro phil! halos same pala tyo ng brands but mine i guess are the lower models! hehe im using sr4500, pioneer dv-686a, MS904, MS905c & MS903s  isnt the default setting for the 7.1 analog (for SACD ) of the avr ok na? i guess naka 0 lahat yun dba? sa avr kasi i set all my speakers to small. but wats the differnce with the setting in the player? well i guess for dvd movies / audio cds the setting on the player wont matter since im using digital connection for those...so in that case the avr wud be the 1 to decode ryt? while if im gna use the analog connections for SACD...so i guess i shoud set it at the player n acr as well? sori if my qstn is confusing...hehe 

bro i meant regular rcas like those that come along with the players....the yellow, wyt n red 1s? coz if im gna get 75ohm coax...well thats gna be 6 pcs for the sacds....so gastos pa if theres not much differnce with a well built rca ryt?

TIA bros!

[Philander]

bro phil! halos same pala tyo ng brands but mine i guess are the lower models! hehe im using sr4500, pioneer dv-686a, MS904, MS905c & MS903s  isnt the default setting for the 7.1 analog (for SACD ) of the avr ok na? i guess naka 0 lahat yun dba? sa avr kasi i set all my speakers to small. but wats the differnce with the setting in the player? well i guess for dvd movies / audio cds the setting on the player wont matter since im using digital connection for those...so in that case the avr wud be the 1 to decode ryt? while if im gna use the analog connections for SACD...so i guess i shoud set it at the player n acr as well? sori if my qstn is confusing...hehe 

Ang Ganda naman pala ng set-up mo. Yes yung 7.1 analog ang pang SACD epecailly for multi-channel SACD (though as what av_phile said in the other thread, disregard mo na lang yung 2 surround back channels). Yung AVR ko hindi naka zero lahat, yung front left ko is +3 and yung +1 yung front right. Nahihinaan kasi ako sa analog out ng Pioneer. May settings din sa pioneer, speaker gain and distance (since I modified the speaker gain in the receiver, hindi ko na minodify sa player, kasi magulo na yun, its either sa player or sa receiver lang, can be both pero magulo na masyado). Since yung 7.1 analog in ng Marants receiver is direct (walang DSP and so on, speaker size, bass management, etc), you need to modify more in your source (SACD player) like bass management, speaker distance, size, etc.

Anyway experiment lang naman yan. I suggest sa player is LARGE para mas pure ang audio (direct since lesser ang processing ng bass management). Pero pwede ring SMALL depends sa audio taste/preference mo. I assume meron ka namang subwoofer, so SMALL or LARGE, kung sa tingin mo mas maganda yung LARGE (or SMALL) yun yung settings mo, then let the subwoofer manage the LFE whether LARGE or SMALL ang nakaset.

bro i meant regular rcas like those that come along with the players....the yellow, wyt n red 1s? coz if im gna get 75ohm coax...well thats gna be 6 pcs for the sacds....so gastos pa if theres not much differnce with a well built rca ryt?

TIA bros!

Yes, the regular RCA cables and the 75ohm coax cable can be use in your SACD conncection. But I suggest that you get quality cables (like 3 sets of AudioPro RCA cables, Php 350 for each set) for SACD and not those free with the players.

Enjoy listening!

[kt]

bro phil tnx agn!

yup ive already set my speaker gains n distance sa avr. so no need na sa player pag naka digital connection ang source? so all i need to set is if im gna use the analog connections for the sacd/dvd-a?

wud the setting on the player for the speakers matter if im using digital connection like yung large or small? i know may difference sya pag sa avr mo naset. wat if i set the speakers to large sa player then small sa reciever? alin po susundin dun? for movies i set all my speakers to small since may SW naman po ko. ok din naman po if naka large yung speakers esp sa audio then i set the LFE to both para may SW parin.

ah ok i'll go find some good quality rca cables then...n i still need to find a sacd/dvd-a source so i can test it! hehe kaso the prob is very few good albums to choose from...wat can u suggest bro? tnx agn!

[Philander]

bro phil tnx agn!

yup ive already set my speaker gains n distance sa avr. so no need na sa player pag naka digital connection ang source? so all i need to set is if im gna use the analog connections for the sacd/dvd-a?

wud the setting on the player for the speakers matter if im using digital connection like yung large or small? i know may difference sya pag sa avr mo naset. wat if i set the speakers to large sa player then small sa reciever? alin po susundin dun? for movies i set all my speakers to small since may SW naman po ko. ok din naman po if naka large yung speakers esp sa audio then i set the LFE to both para may SW parin.

Yung speaker settings (gain, size, distance, availability) sa DVD/SACD player is for analog outs only, pag sa digital connection, disregarded ang settings na ito

ah ok i'll go find some good quality rca cables then...n i still need to find a sacd/dvd-a source so i can test it! hehe kaso the prob is very few good albums to choose from...wat can u suggest bro? tnx agn!

OT:
Diana Krall, Patricia Barber, SACD sampler, Cheskys SACD, etc

[kt]

bro phil tnx agn for the help! ges i just have to find those sources for now 

btw not much new/modern titles for those sources huh?

[Philander]

bro phil tnx agn for the help! ges i just have to find those sources for now 

btw not much new/modern titles for those sources huh?

Maraming releases na new/modern titles, hindi lang available dito sa Pinas.

You may check tiltles from these stores:

AstroPlus Podium - SACDs, XRCDs, few DVD-Audio
Montage Greenbelt 4 – tons of SACDs, DVD-Audio
The O Powerplant – SACDs, DVD-Audio
Tower Records Glorietta – Chesky’s SACDs, Sony/Columbia/Epic SACDs
Megamixx Megamall – DVD-Audio, SACD
Fully Booked Powerplant – SACD, DVD-Audio
Odyssey XL Megamall – DVD-Audio, few Chesky's SACD
Astroplus Megamall – SACD, XRCD
Music One – few DVD-Audio, Chesky's SACD