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Title: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on May 07, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Isn't it nice that some manufacturers still care about SD loyals.

Let the fever begin!!


http://www.oppodigital.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DV983H

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a216/danrd/OPP0983.jpg)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 08, 2008 at 12:57 AM
It's currently out of stock in all online retailers. Let us know if anyone find this model available. I'm very keen on this model. The specs are simply salivating.  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on May 08, 2008 at 06:21 AM
It's currently out of stock in all online retailers. Let us know if anyone find this model available. I'm very keen on this model. The specs are simply salivating.  :D

"salivating"  ;D ;D ;D ;D yes!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 08, 2008 at 08:23 AM
danrd, do you intend to get one also?  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 08, 2008 at 09:22 AM
Pambihira talaga ito si Dan! Akala ko "last" na yung 875 mo?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: MAtZTER on May 08, 2008 at 09:44 AM
Hmmmmm  ;D Wifey was just asking me last night what I want for my bday..... ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 08, 2008 at 09:48 AM
Wow...lucky dude...OPPO DV983H will be a great gift for your bday MAtZTER... ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: MAtZTER on May 08, 2008 at 10:09 AM
I already said bluray player last night, but she was surprised since I have always said I wasnt going BR till disk prices go down. But I guess this player can beat a BR player's SD upconversion abilities?

Whatcha think?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on May 08, 2008 at 10:37 AM
danrd, do you intend to get one also?  :)

 ::) ::) ::) ::)  :D :D

Pambihira talaga ito si Dan! Akala ko "last" na yung 875 mo?  ;D ;D

Sorry Sir for not being too specific. I meant last na on the avr.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hmmmmm  ;D Wifey was just asking me last night what I want for my bday..... ;D

Uy Happy Bday pre. Sabit ako isa if you get one.  ;)

I already said bluray player last night, but she was surprised since I have always said I wasnt going BR till disk prices go down. But I guess this player can beat a BR player's SD upconversion abilities?

Whatcha think?

I think you'll be more consistent on your statements if this is what you get.  ;)

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on May 08, 2008 at 10:45 AM
I already said bluray player last night, but she was surprised since I have always said I wasnt going BR till disk prices go down. But I guess this player can beat a BR player's SD upconversion abilities?

Whatcha think?

Definitely better upscaling ang 983 for SD DVD.  Better to get a standalone BR such as the Pana BD30 or BD50 for BR viewing.  If you can wait, OPPO will probably release its standalone BR in 2009 or early 2010.  And definitely this will be good for both SD DVD and BR.  And its possible this will be Region Free for SD DVDs as is true for all OPPO DVD players..  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on May 08, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Pre-ordered mine at HKFlix.com.. Hopefully May 21 daw may stocks na..  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 08, 2008 at 10:53 AM
I already said bluray player last night, but she was surprised since I have always said I wasnt going BR till disk prices go down. But I guess this player can beat a BR player's SD upconversion abilities?

Whatcha think?

I am not aware of any BD player today that has really good deinterlacing and upscaling. Based on the specs alone, the Oppo 983 should have incredible performance. I would strongly recommend this as your birthday gift!  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 08, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Sorry Sir for not being too specific. I meant last na on the avr.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Kung speakers pa or power amps, baka maniwala ako sa yo! But AVR's keep getting better every year.  ;D

There is a rumor that future Denon AVR's will incorporate the Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume features. If this happens, I will definitely upgrade my AVR!  :)

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on May 08, 2008 at 11:16 AM
I already said bluray player last night, but she was surprised since I have always said I wasnt going BR till disk prices go down. But I guess this player can beat a BR player's SD upconversion abilities?

Whatcha think?

Tell her this oppo player and the panasonic bd50 ;) Thats my dream also ;D..Tell her its better  than spending on chicks, beer, beerhouse etc hehe... ;D..Im also trying to convince my wife on this oppo  ;D, I will tell her I will be her slave for a year ;D

On another note I really think this is a great player to get if one have a huge collection of dvds, all region pa ito. Look at the recent Butch cassidy and the sundance kid bluray in hidef digest review ( although this is not the review basis for everyone ) It is bad, really bad. I'd rather keep my 2 discs collectors edition dvd. Its these kind of releases that I think bluray will just be a niche. I may be wrong.  Im usually a catalog guy, and if you are a catalog guy its a russian roulette if the pic quality/audio quality of catalogs will be great. Thats why I don't preorder now except for Dirty harry series ;D..I really love that series. To me there is no excuse for these bad pq at 27.95 a pop. Check out bonnie and clyde, the sting, blazing saddles, Grand prix just to name a few. Man these look excellent to me. So its possible for old catalogs to look this good. Thats why we upgrade to bluray diba? They should do a better job imo
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Munskie on May 08, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Tell her this oppo player and the panasonic bd50 ;) Thats my dream also ;D..Tell her its better  than spending on chicks, beer, beerhouse etc hehe... ;D..Im also trying to convince my wife on this oppo  ;D, I will tell her I will be her slave for a year ;D

On another note I really think this is a great player to get if one have a huge collection of dvds, all region pa ito. Look at the recent Butch cassidy and the sundance kid bluray in hidef digest review ( although this is not the review basis for everyone ) It is bad, really bad. I'd rather keep my 2 discs collectors edition dvd. Its these kind of releases that I think bluray will just be a niche. I may be wrong.  Im usually a catalog guy, and if you are a catalog guy its a russian roulette if the pic quality/audio quality of catalogs will be great. Thats why I don't preorder now except for Dirty harry series ;D..I really love that series. To me there is no excuse for these bad pq at 27.95 a pop. Check out bonnie and clyde, the sting, blazing saddles, Grand prix just to name a few. Man these look excellent to me. So its possible for old catalogs to look this good. Thats why we upgrade to bluray diba? They should do a better job imo
  great point moks007!!!   8)  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 08, 2008 at 11:30 AM
On another note I really think this is a great player to get if one have a huge collection of dvds, all region pa ito. Look at the recent Butch cassidy and the sundance kid bluray in hidef digest review ( although this is not the review basis for everyone ) It is bad, really bad. I'd rather keep my 2 discs collectors edition dvd. Its these kind of releases that I think bluray will just be a niche. I may be wrong.  Im usually a catalog guy, and if you are a catalog guy its a russian roulette if the pic quality/audio quality of catalogs will be great. Thats why I don't preorder now except for Dirty harry series ;D..I really love that series. To me there is no excuse for these bad pq at 27.95 a pop. Check out bonnie and clyde, the sting, blazing saddles, Grand prix just to name a few. Man these look excellent to me. So its possible for old catalogs to look this good. Thats why we upgrade to bluray diba? They should do a better job imo

Agree ako. I have the same experience. Some BD or HD-DVD titles have rather poor pq. If you put it another way, the same title on SD with good video processing looks practically the same. It's also quite hard to detect the difference in audio between SD and BD, kahit lossless ang audio. Kaya nga good buy talaga ang Oppo 983.

Of course, some BD titles are really good pero ala chamba.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on May 08, 2008 at 11:31 AM
For those with the Onkyo 875, the 983 might be overkill since your AVR already has a good VIDEO PROCESSOR which is better than that of the 983..  The OPPO 980 or 981 might suffice..   
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on May 08, 2008 at 11:36 AM
pareng dan tama si doc, i benta mo na 981 mo :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 08, 2008 at 11:40 AM
There is a rumor that future Denon AVR's will incorporate the Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume features. If this happens, I will definitely upgrade my AVR!  :)

Oh yeah, me too...count me in! :D

I already said bluray player last night, but she was surprised since I have always said I wasnt going BR till disk prices go down.

Way to go Mat....many members here are hoping you will join the HD bandwagon soon. HD material will indeed benefit your big PJ screen. ;) However, as you still have a big collection of regular DVD, thus the Oppo 983 will compliment your BD player.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: leomar on May 08, 2008 at 11:44 AM
so magiging 983's ABT vs 875's HQV ang comparison kapag nakabili ng si sir dan ng 983...

PS3 vs 983, 983 hands down... pero ang PS3, may bluray ka na may game station ka pa with divx/xvid capability with cell processor na yakang-yaka ang mkv files converted to vob/m2ts  ;D ;D

pero shempre, its up to the user kung ano ang priorities niya...
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Munskie on May 08, 2008 at 11:51 AM
For those with the Onkyo 875, the 983 might be overkill since your AVR already has a good VIDEO PROCESSOR which is better than that of the 983..  The OPPO 980 or 981 might suffice..   
great point again.    ;)

if your DVDp has the better upscaling ability:
1.  use DVDp to upscale and when connecting to AVR, choose bypass video option

if your AVR has the better upscaling ability
1.  feed AVR with native resolution of source material (480p/480i) and toggle 1080p upscaling (or matching resolution of your display) of AVR

if your display/PJ has the better upscaling ability
1.  feed it with the native resolution of source material, therefore bypassing any upscaling features of avr and dvdp.

Does this makes sense?   Correct me if Im wrong.  ;)




Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on May 08, 2008 at 12:09 PM
great point again.    ;)

if your DVDp has the better upscaling ability:
1.  use DVDp to upscale and when connecting to AVR, choose bypass video option

if your AVR has the better upscaling ability
1.  feed AVR with native resolution of source material (480p/480i) and toggle 1080p upscaling (or matching resolution of your display) of AVR

if your display/PJ has the better upscaling ability
1.  feed it with the native resolution of source material, therefore bypassing any upscaling features of avr and dvdp.

Does this makes sense?   Correct me if Im wrong.  ;)


I guess this is correct.. But then people buy high end gears out of curiosity and because they can afford it..  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 08, 2008 at 12:14 PM
great point again.    ;)

if your DVDp has the better upscaling ability:
1.  use DVDp to upscale and when connecting to AVR, choose bypass video option

if your AVR has the better upscaling ability
1.  feed AVR with native resolution of source material (480p/480i) and toggle 1080p upscaling (or matching resolution of your display) of AVR

if your display/PJ has the better upscaling ability
1.  feed it with the native resolution of source material, therefore bypassing any upscaling features of avr and dvdp.

Does this makes sense?   Correct me if Im wrong.  ;)


This makes a lot of sense. In fact, the DVDO VP50Pro has a feature wherein it can reverse any deinterlacing and upscaling. This way, it is fed the raw signal (say 480i or 1080i) and then the DVDO does its own deinterlacing/upscaling. This is because the DVDO does a better job at video processing.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: dobler on May 08, 2008 at 01:32 PM
This makes a lot of sense. In fact, the DVDO VP50Pro has a feature wherein it can reverse any deinterlacing and upscaling. This way, it is fed the raw signal (say 480i or 1080i) and then the DVDO does its own deinterlacing/upscaling. This is because the DVDO does a better job at video processing.
great point again.    ;)

if your DVDp has the better upscaling ability:
1.  use DVDp to upscale and when connecting to AVR, choose bypass video option

if your AVR has the better upscaling ability
1.  feed AVR with native resolution of source material (480p/480i) and toggle 1080p upscaling (or matching resolution of your display) of AVR

if your display/PJ has the better upscaling ability
1.  feed it with the native resolution of source material, therefore bypassing any upscaling features of avr and dvdp.

Does this makes sense?   Correct me if Im wrong.  ;)


Tama 'to. Also according to Sound & Vision Magazine:

• Always start with the best connection you can. HDMI (or DVI) usually is best, followed by component-video, S-video, composite-video, and RF, in that order.
• Remember that video transcoding in an A/V receiver or preamplifier is a convenience, not a magic picture-improver. Converting a composite-video signal to component-video or HDMI will not make it better.
• You can't get a good picture on today's fixed-pixel (plasma, LCD, DLP, or LCoS) HDTVs without good deinterlacing. Cheap progressive-scan DVD players may do a worse job of it than your TV, so unless you know what's in your player and are confident of its quality, try it with both 480i and 480p output to see which looks better on your set.
• Avoid unncessary scaling. This is a particularly important consideration if you have an upconverting DVD player or a receiver or preamp with built-in video scaling capability. If you set the output on one of these devices to anything other than your display's native resolution, the display will have to re-scale the signal. And if you have, for example, a 1,366 x 768 plasma and your upconverting DVD player or receiver, as is common, supports only ATSC-standard resolutions such as 720p and 1080i, that will not be possible. If you can't match the upconversion resolution to the display resolution, don't go beyond simple deinterlacing — let the display handle the scaling.
• Never convert a 720p HDTV signal to 1080i unless you absolutely have to. Interlacing a 720p signal loses, irretrievably, its most special quality. If you are using an HD cable or satellite TV box, set its video output to "native" mode if it has one. That will send video out in the same format it was broadcast. If the box requires you to select an output resolution, choose 720p unless you have a CRT-based HDTV; then you should choose 1080i. If you have a 1080p display, you might want to try both 720p and 1080i and see which looks better to you on most of the programs you watch, or you could switch the box's output resolution based on the channel you're watching (720p for 720p networks such as ABC, ESPN, and Fox, 1080i for 1080i networks such as NBC and CBS).
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: MAtZTER on May 08, 2008 at 01:52 PM
For those with the Onkyo 875, the 983 might be overkill since your AVR already has a good VIDEO PROCESSOR which is better than that of the 983..  The OPPO 980 or 981 might suffice..   

Makes sense, from the sound of this, Baka BR player na muna.  ;D

I might be putting the 875's HQV chip to waste.

Way to go Mat....many members here are hoping you will join the HD bandwagon soon. HD material will indeed benefit your big PJ screen. ;) However, as you still have a big collection of regular DVD, thus the Oppo 983 will compliment your BD player.  :)


Really?! I didnt know that many members were hoping I that.  ;D :D

True about the screen, but I have always been for practicality. So my plans were to save up for a 1080p (native) PJ first. But if I were to get a BR player as a gift (and reverse the sequence), why not?  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: macdon on May 08, 2008 at 02:58 PM
Are Oppos autovolt? Kasi mas mura sa states eh ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Weng! on May 08, 2008 at 03:21 PM
great point again.    ;)

if your AVR has the better upscaling ability
1.  feed AVR with native resolution of source material (480p/480i) and toggle 1080p upscaling (or matching resolution of your display) of AVR

Does this makes sense?   Correct me if Im wrong.  ;)



this is what i am using right now since my denon 2308 has better upscaling capability than pioneer dv600.

direct HDMI connection from dv600 upscaled to 1080p to plasma
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a165/weng2x/DSCF6722_dv600.jpg)

dv600 connected using component to 2308. denon 2308 (upscaled to 1080p thru HDMI) to plasma.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a165/weng2x/DSCF6721_faroudja.jpg)

i am using component (dvd to avr) as the denon will upscale only any feed except for HDMI (pass thru only). i could be wrong but that is what i understand from the manual, one time ko lang kasi binasa ;D

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 08, 2008 at 03:21 PM
Pre-ordered mine at HKFlix.com.. Hopefully May 21 daw may stocks na..  ;) ;) ;)

What's your waiting list number Jun? I got #16  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Weng! on May 08, 2008 at 03:25 PM
What's your waiting list number Jun? I got #16  ;D

hi sir pchin,

are you guys shipping this thru JAC? how much is the rough estimate on shipping to the phils?

thanks
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 08, 2008 at 03:37 PM
are you guys shipping this thru JAC? how much is the rough estimate on shipping to the phils? thanks

No ideal yet. Here's the reply from HKFlix when I asked about shipping cost to Phils:

"It will be shipped from California. I’m not sure exactly what shipping will be, but you’ll get the best possible rate. No one will have a cheaper quote. We can either ship using EMS or FEDEX.

I can’t provide an exact quote now since we don’t have any in stock so I don’t know the box dimensions or weight. But when you get an email from me notifying the item is available, just ask me for the quote and I’ll get it for you."


Since it's coming from the US, guess I'll use JAC.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Weng! on May 08, 2008 at 03:40 PM
thanks sir ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: T33K0Y on May 08, 2008 at 05:25 PM
Very good player according to this review:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cd-dvd-player-product-reviews/dvd-players/oppo-digital-dv-983h-dvd-player---a-secrets-dvd-benchmark-review.html

Another hit from Oppo.  yeah!! ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on May 08, 2008 at 05:30 PM
What's your waiting list number Jun? I got #16  ;D

# 15  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on May 08, 2008 at 05:37 PM
No ideal yet. Here's the reply from HKFlix when I asked about shipping cost to Phils:

"It will be shipped from California. I’m not sure exactly what shipping will be, but you’ll get the best possible rate. No one will have a cheaper quote. We can either ship using EMS or FEDEX.

I can’t provide an exact quote now since we don’t have any in stock so I don’t know the box dimensions or weight. But when you get an email from me notifying the item is available, just ask me for the quote and I’ll get it for you."


Since it's coming from the US, guess I'll use JAC.

Shipping via EMS or FEDEX to the Philippines is less than $80.00 according to HKFLIX.com.  But the problem is baka may Customs tax pa eto compared if we ship it via JAC.  Pero kung walang Tax then, the EMS and FEDEX shipping fees are cheap na compared to JAC unless you go via sea freight.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on May 08, 2008 at 07:39 PM
Agree ako. I have the same experience. Some BD or HD-DVD titles have rather poor pq. If you put it another way, the same title on SD with good video processing looks practically the same. It's also quite hard to detect the difference in audio between SD and BD, kahit lossless ang audio. Kaya nga good buy talaga ang Oppo 983.

Of course, some BD titles are really good pero ala chamba.

[/quote]
  great point moks007!!!   8)  ;D

And to top it all off, I got the Butch cassidy 2 disc collectors dvd at 9.99 ata or lower pa, cant remember but its for sure below 10 bucks during a sale ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on May 08, 2008 at 09:24 PM

Can anyone convince sir Nemesis to sell Oppo in the Philippines?

If there's an authorized Philippine dealer, then we wouldn't worry so much about parts and service. 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 08, 2008 at 09:35 PM
True eh. Oppo player is in high demand & hopefully some of our local AV shops will sell it. 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on May 08, 2008 at 09:38 PM
Can anyone convince sir Nemesis to sell Oppo in the Philippines?

If there's an authorized Philippine dealer, then we wouldn't worry so much about parts and service. 

Audio Dimension is actually selling OPPO DVD players but way to expensive.  For the local price of an OPPO 981, I can get an OPPO 983 inclusive of shipping already..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: T33K0Y on May 08, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Shipping via EMS or FEDEX to the Philippines is less than $80.00 according to HKFLIX.com.  But the problem is baka may Customs tax pa eto compared if we ship it via JAC.  Pero kung walang Tax then, the EMS and FEDEX shipping fees are cheap na compared to JAC unless you go via sea freight.

Sir, ako hindi na-tax when I ordered my 981 lat year (Aug. '07) from HKflix also.  Shipped via FEDEX door-to-door  express delivery.. 3 days lang dumating na kagad pero wala nako binayaran.

See related thread here: reply#60 

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=60063.60

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on May 09, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Sir, ako hindi na-tax when I ordered my 981 lat year (Aug. '07) from HKflix also.  Shipped via FEDEX door-to-door  express delivery.. 3 days lang dumating na kagad pero wala nako binayaran.

See related thread here: reply#60 

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=60063.60



Great!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: reynold on May 09, 2008 at 04:00 PM
pareng dan tama si doc, i benta mo na 981 mo :D

Abangan natin 'to, hehehe ;D

Dan, pre magkano mo ibebenta 981 mo? ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on May 09, 2008 at 04:03 PM
Abangan natin 'to, hehehe ;D

Dan, pre magkano mo ibebenta 981 mo? ;)

 ;D ;D ;D Alam mo ba dami na umaawit sa kin dito since the day I had it.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: reynold on May 09, 2008 at 04:07 PM
;D ;D ;D Alam mo ba dami na umaawit sa kin dito since the day I had it.

Haha ganun ba, very tempting naman kasi yan e :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 15, 2008 at 09:27 AM
oReOsHaKe, have you received Oppo email notification? They are accepting pre-orders na, first come-first serve basis. Estimated Ship Date: 5/21- 5/28/08. :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on May 15, 2008 at 03:59 PM
oReOsHaKe, have you received Oppo email notification? They are accepting pre-orders na, first come-first serve basis. Estimated Ship Date: 5/21- 5/28/08. :D

Yes I have.  Will they ship direct to the Philippines, Paul?  How much kaya?

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 15, 2008 at 04:27 PM
Geez...after tried so many attempts I just gave up! :( The "check-out" payment page isn't friendly at all.

Philippines is not listed. :( So I tried using JAC as my shipping address & becos my credit card is from Philiipines, thus I tried "PayPal" as the payment option & got error. Also, if you put "Outside USA" it will not work....it keep asking you to put the states.  :-\ 

I emailed the customer service twice na & until now still no reply at all.  :-[
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on May 16, 2008 at 09:11 AM
Geez...after tried so many attempts I just gave up! :( The "check-out" payment page isn't friendly at all.

Philippines is not in listed. :( So I tried using JAC as my shipping address & becos my credit card is in Philiipines, thus I tried "PayPal" as the payment option & but got error. Also, if you put "Outside USA" it will not work....it keep asking you to put the states.  :-\ 

I emailed the customer service twice na & until now no reply at all.  :-[

You might just have to wait for the email of HKflix.com..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 16, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Here's their reply:

Unfortunately we do not support the direct purchase of our players to the Philippines at this time.

We would recommend contacting SLT Technologies, our Singapore dealer, about possible shipment support to the Philippines. SLT Technologies Pte Ltd, [email protected], Tel: (65)90666088

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
[email protected]


Yes, waiting for HKflix.com email

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on May 16, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Yep, had the same experience. Can't pay using credit card because the Philipines isn't even listed. Bummer.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 17, 2008 at 10:45 AM
We would recommend contacting SLT Technologies, our Singapore dealer, about possible shipment support to the Philippines. SLT Technologies Pte Ltd, [email protected], Tel: (65)90666088

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.

Here's the reply from SLT Technologies, Singapore:

Thanks for your email and interest in Oppo.
We can easily ship to Philippines , and have done that many times for our other Philippines customers.
We ship by SpeedPost, and it should cost between S$80-S$100 via SpeedPost Courier.
We are selling the Oppo DV-983H at S$590/set, and accept payment by bank t/t transfer only.

Do let us know if you want to go ahead, and we’ll let you have bank details for payment, together with total shipping cost.

Thank you.

BRgds,
SLT Technologies


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Cost breakdown & conversion:

From SLT Technologies.
Oppo DV-983H at S$590 = US$431 (Peso 18,370)
Shipping cost S$100 = US$73 (Peso 3,100)

Total Cost: S$690 = US$504 (Peso 21,400)

I'm not familiar with SpeedPost Courier but we might expect to pay around 20-30% custom tax P4,000 to P6,000 on top of the above cost. :-[

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From Oppo Digital tru JAC.
Oppo DV-983H at US$399 + shipping US$14 (Peso 17,600)
Shipping cost tru JAC (estimated 5,000)

Total Cost: Peso 22,600

Based on the above computation it seems it's still cheaper to import tru JAC.

**Looks like if we can't order direct from Oppo Digital then HKflix.com might be the solution
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: macdon on May 18, 2008 at 12:05 AM
I think Speedpost is EMS = express mail service natin dito. Yup. expect to pay taxes :(
Also, if SLT Tech only accepts bank transfers, then expect transfer fees as well.


Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 18, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Hay...finally my payment process at Oppo Digital was successful! :D

Payment Details (PayPal)
Transaction ID: XYZ
Item Price: $413.00 USD
Total: $413.00 USD
Order Description:  1 OPPO DV-983H 1080p Up-Converting Universal DVD Player with ABT and 7.1CH Audio
Buyer: PChin
Ship to: ATTN: PinoyDVD.com/PChin, Johnny Air Cargo, 69-04 Roosevelt Avenue, Woodside, USA
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on May 18, 2008 at 01:37 PM
Hay...finally my payment process at Oppo Digital was sucessful! :D

Payment Details (PayPal)
Transaction ID: XYZ
Item Price: $413.00 USD
Total: $413.00 USD
Order Description:  1 OPPO DV-983H 1080p Up-Converting Universal DVD Player with ABT and 7.1CH Audio
Buyer: PChin
Ship to: ATTN: PinoyDVD.com/PChin, Johnny Air Cargo, 69-04 Roosevelt Avenue, Woodside, USA


congrats Paul, pls give me a feedback/review on this player. I'm also very interested ;D..I think I have convinced my wife, but not very sure yet hehe (have to still confirm, gotta catch her in a good mood ;D)..Anybody have any info if this player really have huge picture advantage versus the 981. If not I might just go for the 981 bec of cost. Thanks
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on May 23, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Mine is being shipped already by FedEx to JAC NY.. Hopefully, its here by end of next week..  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 23, 2008 at 01:01 PM
Wow...that's wonderful news Jun.  :D

Geez...I'm wondering what happen to my order.... :-[
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 24, 2008 at 07:39 AM
Hay....finally got the email from Oppo Digital. My order is just being shipped out today....hopefully by next Fri or Sat I can get it na to try out during the weekend.

Now I can sleep peacefully this weekend. :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 24, 2008 at 07:43 AM
Hay....finally got the email from Oppo Digital. My order is just being shipped out today....hopefully by next Fri or Sat I can get it na to try out during the weekend.

Now I can sleep peacefully this weekend. :D

Oh ... exciting. My suggestion: you can bring the Oppo to my HT so we can compare its deinterlacing/upscaling capability to the VP50Pro! Oppo 983 should have almost same quality.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 24, 2008 at 07:57 AM
Oh ... exciting. My suggestion: you can bring the Oppo to my HT so we can compare its deinterlacing/upscaling capability to the VP50Pro! Oppo 983 should have almost same quality.  :)

Yes Mark, that's an excellent suggestion!  ;) Will let you know as soon as I get it. Tnx :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Weng! on May 24, 2008 at 09:04 AM
i'm looking forward on that comparison test between the vp50 pro. even if its half good than the vp50, at least it will be an economical alternative for us (or me only who can't afford a vp50 or any vp ;D) to enjoy better upscaling.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Weng! on May 24, 2008 at 09:17 AM
Oh ... exciting. My suggestion: you can bring the Oppo to my HT so we can compare its deinterlacing/upscaling capability to the VP50Pro! Oppo 983 should have almost same quality.  :)

hi sir streetsmart,

have you tried to use the faroudja upscaler of your denon 2808? the 2308 (my avr) and 2808 shares the same faroudja chip. if you happen to experience them oppo981 and pioneer dv600, how good is the denon avr's upscaler versus the other 2? i am asking this because i'm using component from dvd to my 2308 and hdmi to panny plasma. wanted an all hdmi connections but the denon can only upscale analog signals and pass through hdmi.

sorry for the O.T.

thanks,

weng
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 24, 2008 at 09:07 PM
hi sir streetsmart,

have you tried to use the faroudja upscaler of your denon 2808? the 2308 (my avr) and 2808 shares the same faroudja chip. if you happen to experience them oppo981 and pioneer dv600, how good is the denon avr's upscaler versus the other 2? i am asking this because i'm using component from dvd to my 2308 and hdmi to panny plasma. wanted an all hdmi connections but the denon can only upscale analog signals and pass through hdmi.

sorry for the O.T.

thanks,

weng

I think you mean to ask for a comparison of the deinterlacing/upscaling capabilities of:

1) Pio 600 (I have a 696 so pwede na siguro yun)
2) Denon 2808 (which I have)
3) Oppo 983 (Paul's incoming unit), not Oppo 981 which is supposed to have an inferior chip

We can add the DVDO VP50Pro, which is among the best video processors.

I have tried the Pio 600 vs VP50Pro and it's like night and day. I haven't even bothered to try the Denon 2808 cuz I know that malayo sya sa VP50Pro. In any case, pag dumating Oppo 983 ni Paul, try namin lahat ng 4.

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Weng! on May 25, 2008 at 02:48 AM
I think you mean to ask for a comparison of the deinterlacing/upscaling capabilities of:

1) Pio 600 (I have a 696 so pwede na siguro yun)
2) Denon 2808 (which I have)
3) Oppo 983 (Paul's incoming unit), not Oppo 981 which is supposed to have an inferior chip

We can add the DVDO VP50Pro, which is among the best video processors.

I have tried the Pio 600 vs VP50Pro and it's like night and day. I haven't even bothered to try the Denon 2808 cuz I know that malayo sya sa VP50Pro. In any case, pag dumating Oppo 983 ni Paul, try namin lahat ng 4.



ok sir, will wait for your reviews of the gears. thanks ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on May 25, 2008 at 08:44 AM
I think you mean to ask for a comparison of the deinterlacing/upscaling capabilities of:

1) Pio 600 (I have a 696 so pwede na siguro yun)
2) Denon 2808 (which I have)
3) Oppo 983 (Paul's incoming unit), not Oppo 981 which is supposed to have an inferior chip

We can add the DVDO VP50Pro, which is among the best video processors.

I have tried the Pio 600 vs VP50Pro and it's like night and day. I haven't even bothered to try the Denon 2808 cuz I know that malayo sya sa VP50Pro. In any case, pag dumating Oppo 983 ni Paul, try namin lahat ng 4.



Thats great can't wait to hear the reviews. I'm also very interested with this player but due to the long wait and budget concerns I'm thinking of just getting the oppo 981 in amazon, with free shipping. (I want the best possible player for my dvds) If its possible can you guys also test the 981? Maybe someone out there with the 981 can also bring their unit to your place to test. If possible pls post pics. Thanks

Hopefully you guys can do this soon ;D and that way I can get my player (if I decided on 981) before June 1 ;D for the reason amazon will start taxing ata starting June 1 on orders (may be on some specific items) to New York. Our JAC address is in New York. Bummer added cost again.
I just found out today when I'm ordering some dvds. :(

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on May 25, 2008 at 12:13 PM
We can add the DVDO VP50Pro, which is among the best video processors.

Parang saling-pusa lang ang VP50Pro?  :D  Sir streetsmart is too modest. ;)

Why not start with the VP50Pro as reference, then test the 3 other players against that benchmark.  If the Oppo 983 performs well against the DVDO, then the Oppo would be a real bargain!

Yung Pioneer and Denon, hindi siguro magiging impressive ang results.



Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Weng! on May 25, 2008 at 01:22 PM

Yung Pioneer and Denon, hindi siguro magiging impressive ang results.


i did a comparison test between a dv600 and denon 2308 video processing (see sample pic on page 1). the denon is way better than the dv600 upscaled to 1080p. but this may be nothing compared to the new oppo983 and of course the vp50.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 25, 2008 at 02:24 PM
Thats great can't wait to hear the reviews. I'm also very interested with this player but due to the long wait and budget concerns I'm thinking of just getting the oppo 981 in amazon, with free shipping. (I want the best possible player for my dvds) If its possible can you guys also test the 981? Maybe someone out there with the 981 can also bring their unit to your place to test. If possible pls post pics. Thanks

Hopefully you guys can do this soon ;D and that way I can get my player (if I decided on 981) before June 1 ;D for the reason amazon will start taxing ata starting June 1 on orders (may be on some specific items) to New York. Our JAC address is in New York. Bummer added cost again.
I just found out today when I'm ordering some dvds. :(



Don't know anyone who has Oppo 981. Si @danrd dati pero binenta na nya. But he says that he wasn't very happy with it.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on May 25, 2008 at 03:45 PM
Don't know anyone who has Oppo 981. Si @danrd dati pero binenta na nya. But he says that he wasn't very happy with it.

Wasn't like that sir. The reason I sold my Oppo is because it was overkill already. I didn't like the results of double upscaled video from my Oppo with Onkyo 875.  The results on my Pioneer dv 600 was set at 480p was way much better. That's why I had to let go of my Oppo.

But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj.  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Munskie on May 25, 2008 at 03:53 PM
Wasn't like that sir. The reason I sold my Oppo is because it was overkill already. I didn't like the results of double upscaled video from my Oppo with Onkyo 875.  The results on my Pioneer dv 600 was set at 480p was way much better. That's why I had to let go of my Oppo.

But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj.  ;)


dan which is better in PQ:

1.  DV600 480p upscaled through 875?
2.  Oppo 981 480p upscaled through 875?
3.  Oppo 981 upscaled directly (or bypassed thru 875) to monitor?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on May 25, 2008 at 04:04 PM
But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj.  ;)


Sir Dan, try mo naman yung bagong Oppo pag may available na.  Malaking improvement kaya ang 983 over the 981?

I'm expecting it to be very different, kasi yung 981 ay Faroudja processing (tama ba?), na laging pinipintasan sa macroblocking artifacts.  Yung 983, Anchor Bay ang processor, mas magaling pa raw sa Faroudja.




From Anchor Bay's site:

Oppo 983 uses Anchor Bay's VRS chipsets:

"Anchor Bay is honored to have OPPO choose our ABT1018 and ABT102 chips for its flagship DV-983H DVD player," said Doug Fealtman, CEO at Anchor Bay. "Our VRS video processing technologies complement OPPO's unwavering commitment to unsurpassed performance and reliability in its products."

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/company/news/press/PR031108.php


Anchor Bay is the same company that makes DVDO iScan VP50PRO: http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/systems/vp50pro.php
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on May 25, 2008 at 05:27 PM
dan which is better in PQ:

1.  DV600 480p upscaled through 875?
2.  Oppo 981 480p upscaled through 875?
3.  Oppo 981 upscaled directly (or bypassed thru 875) to monitor?

Ya I really want to know this too. Last week I just tried playing around and testing the following: Toshiba a35 vs. Sony ns76 vs. pioneer dvd recorder 1080p ( I assume this player is almost the same as the pioneer dv600 ) connected directly to my samsung 46 inch lcd.
Results playing starwars Episode 4, pausing same scene:
1. Toshiba a35 - hands down winner, malayo talaga. really sharp.
2. pioneer dvd recorder 1080p - very nice too, but toshiba pa rin
3. Sony ns76 - worse sa lahat. Could it be bec its 1080i? who knows, but when I pause its dirty all over, viewing the film naman is nice throughout. Its when you pause then it looks bad. More evident.

Anyway I don't know if all the pic settings on my tv are the same for all bec I use 2 diff hdmi inputs in the tv. The toshiba direct. The other 2 using a switcher to the other input in the tv. But today I tried again (Raiders of the lost ark) the toshiba a35 versus my parents pioneer dv600 and again the toshiba really looks great. Really sharp. If dvds can look this good (of course some are not gonna be this good bec depends din on the dvd title ) Man to me really enjoyable for my dvd library while waiting (if ever will come out) for the bluray copies. Thats why Im really looking for either for the oppo 981 or 983 ( for all region ). The onkyo 875 still cost too much for me. I inquired its still around 80 grand tsk tsk tsk..No mula for that..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 25, 2008 at 05:39 PM
Sir Dan, try mo naman yung bagong Oppo pag may available na.  Malaking improvement kaya ang 983 over the 981?

I'm expecting it to be very different, kasi yung 981 ay Faroudja processing (tama ba?), na laging pinipintasan sa macroblocking artifacts.  Yung 983, Anchor Bay ang processor, mas magaling pa raw sa Faroudja.

Hahaha! Tinutukso mo naman si Dan!  ;D ;D

Curious talaga ako sa 983 cuz based on what I know, it has the same deinterlacing/upscaling chip as the DVDO VP50Pro, which is currently among the best in the world. That's why I want to compare it directly to the VP50Pro.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 25, 2008 at 05:40 PM
Wasn't like that sir. The reason I sold my Oppo is because it was overkill already. I didn't like the results of double upscaled video from my Oppo with Onkyo 875.  The results on my Pioneer dv 600 was set at 480p was way much better. That's why I had to let go of my Oppo.

But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj.  ;)


Ok. Got it. Maganda nga raw ang video processing ng Onkyo 875. It would still be nice to compare it to the Oppo 983!  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on May 25, 2008 at 07:38 PM
Wasn't like that sir. The reason I sold my Oppo is because it was overkill already. I didn't like the results of double upscaled video from my Oppo with Onkyo 875.  The results on my Pioneer dv 600 was set at 480p was way much better. That's why I had to let go of my Oppo.

But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj.  ;)


You have to choose kasi kung ano gusto mo gamiting upscaler: DVD player or AV Receiver.. Kung ano mas maganda yong ang piliin.. i-off na lang ang upscaling function of the unit that gives you the worse upscaling.. Can the OPPO 981 ba output just a 480i so the Onkyo 875 upscale it to 720p or 1080p depending on you HD TV capability?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on May 25, 2008 at 10:37 PM
dan which is better in PQ:

1.  DV600 480p upscaled through 875?
2.  Oppo 981 480p upscaled through 875?
3.  Oppo 981 upscaled directly (or bypassed thru 875) to monitor?


My own survey says . . . . . . . .

1.  DV600 480p upscaled through 875?


 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on May 25, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Quote
Sir Dan, try mo naman yung bagong Oppo pag may available na.  Malaking improvement kaya ang 983 over the 981?

Dyuskupo Tukso, layuan mo ako.  ;D ;D ;D ;D Curious din ako attorney. Let's wait and observe pchin's review.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on May 25, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Hahaha! Tinutukso mo naman si Dan!  ;D ;D

Curious talaga ako sa 983 cuz based on what I know, it has the same deinterlacing/upscaling chip as the DVDO VP50Pro, which is currently among the best in the world. That's why I want to compare it directly to the VP50Pro.

 ;D ;D ;D Kaya tuloy di na gumaling SARS dito sa pdvd eh.  ;D ;D ;D Feedback and review sa Oppo 983 sir ha. Speciallly when its directly connected on a display.  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on May 25, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Ok. Got it. Maganda nga raw ang video processing ng Onkyo 875. It would still be nice to compare it to the Oppo 983!  :)

Yes it is sir hands down. Pero dream ko pa din DVDO mo (once i've dipped on hd).  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on May 25, 2008 at 11:01 PM
You have to choose kasi kung ano gusto mo gamiting upscaler: DVD player or AV Receiver.. Kung ano mas maganda yong ang piliin.. i-off na lang ang upscaling function of the unit that gives you the worse upscaling.. Can the OPPO 981 ba output just a 480i so the Onkyo 875 upscale it to 720p or 1080p depending on you HD TV capability?

Unfortunately the 981 is fixed on 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p only. Can't set it to 480i. That's why double upscaling happens so result isn't that good. 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on May 26, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Results playing starwars Episode 4, pausing same scene:
1. Toshiba a35 - hands down winner, malayo talaga. really sharp.


I think the Toshiba A35 also uses Anchor Bay ABT 1018 chipsets, that's why it upscales so well. 

Onkyo 875 uses HQV-Reon, generally regarded to be better than Faroudja DCDi.  Yamaha 1800 also uses Anchor Bay.  Marami na yatang tumalo sa Faroudja ngayon.



Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Weng! on May 26, 2008 at 01:39 AM

My own survey says . . . . . . . .

1.  DV600 480p upscaled through 875?


 

ang ganda ng onkyo 875, can upscale HMDI IN to HDMI out-high end na kasi. ang denon models from entry level to 3808, upscales only using analog IN to HDMI OUT (sabi dun sa avs forum), ang HDMI ay pass thru lang. pero other models above them can upscale HDMI IN to HDMI out na rin.

may nag suggest pa doon na it is better to buy a vp50 + a mid-end receiver than buying a single high-end receiver daw para ma achieve mo ang good video at saka audio. i think sir streetsmart did his homework very, very well.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 26, 2008 at 07:11 AM

I think the Toshiba A35 also uses Anchor Bay ABT 1018 chipsets, that's why it upscales so well. 


I have an A35 and I have followed the AVS forum thread on this quite closely. It's not really reputed to have good deinterlacing/upscaling. That distinction belongs to the HD-XA2.

I am not sure (tinatamad to research right now), but I think that the A35 does not have a complete set of the ABT chipset (unlike the Oppo 983).
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 26, 2008 at 07:12 AM
Unfortunately the 981 is fixed on 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p only. Can't set it to 480i. That's why double upscaling happens so result isn't that good. 

But Dan, di ba kaya ng Pio 600 to output 480i? Theoretically, that would be the best to feed to the 875.

Sabi mo kasi, the best is Pio 600 480p to the 875.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on May 26, 2008 at 07:49 AM
But Dan, di ba kaya ng Pio 600 to output 480i? Theoretically, that would be the best to feed to the 875.

Sabi mo kasi, the best is Pio 600 480p to the 875.

Sorry sir missed that spot. Yes Pio 600 can do 480i. Tried that but didn't like the results. Image edges aint that sharp. 480p is much better. Colors and edges were sharper.  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on May 26, 2008 at 03:54 PM
I have an A35 and I have followed the AVS forum thread on this quite closely. It's not really reputed to have good deinterlacing/upscaling. That distinction belongs to the HD-XA2.

I am not sure (tinatamad to research right now), but I think that the A35 does not have a complete set of the ABT chipset (unlike the Oppo 983).

I'm not sure on this but I think the a35 deinterlace using Mediatek and upscale using the ABT. Ya the 983 is ABT for both I think. I'm not sure. But for me the pic on the A35 is really excellent compared to the upscalers (below 10 to 12 thou) they sell here. I haven't seen those Denon 1940 or the real hi-end players in action (Denon 2930 etc.), so I wouldn't know how they compare. I also don't think the A35 can be compared to the 983. However, I read in a forum before that a question was raised to the customer service of oppo if one have the a35, should they buy the 981. The answer of oppo is one don't need to purchase the 981. I wish the A35 was region free.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 26, 2008 at 04:07 PM
I'm not sure on this but I think the a35 deinterlace using Mediatek and upscale using the ABT. Ya the 983 is ABT for both I think. I'm not sure. But for me the pic on the A35 is really excellent compared to the upscalers (below 10 to 12 thou) they sell here. I don't think it can compare to the 983. However, I read in a forum before that a question was raised to the customer service of oppo if one have the a35, should they buy the 981. The answer of oppo is don't need to purchase the 981. I wish the A35 was region free.

Mas mataas naman yata standards nila sa US kaya ang reference is the HD-XA2.

I haven't tried comparing the Pio 600 processing to the A35. Try ko nga and then feedback ako.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 26, 2008 at 04:36 PM
I have the Oppo 983
Mark has the HD-A35
Who can lend the Pioneer 600? ;D

Will be great to do a shoot out comparison! :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on May 26, 2008 at 05:04 PM
Dumating na 983 mo? Bilis ah. I've asked my bro in Singapore to order one from the dealer there. How's the performance btw?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 26, 2008 at 05:07 PM
I have the Oppo 983
Mark has the HD-A35
Who can lend the Pioneer 600? ;D

Will be great to do a shoot out comparison! :D

I have a Pio 696 which, to my knowledge, has the same processing as the Pio 600.

I also have the Panasonic BD-30. Meron pa akong Sony DVD player with upscaling - we can try that out too, if you wish.

But there should be several members involved. Maybe at least 5. Voting after each comparison. Blind test.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 26, 2008 at 05:18 PM
But there should be several members involved. Maybe at least 5. Voting after each comparison. Blind test.  ;D ;D

Sounds great! I smell a shoot-out EB is cooking up. :P
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on May 26, 2008 at 05:28 PM
Mas mataas naman yata standards nila sa US kaya ang reference is the HD-XA2.

I haven't tried comparing the Pio 600 processing to the A35. Try ko nga and then feedback ako.
I have the Oppo 983
Mark has the HD-A35
Who can lend the Pioneer 600? ;D

Will be great to do a shoot out comparison! :D

Sounds great. Ya I always want to know the score on these players that way before we buy, at least we know how's the performance. Pls give me the feedbacks. Thanks. I really want an affordable dvd that will have the best performance for my dvds even if the difference is very small from the other players. Just like 0-60mph at 4.5 seconds, when the others are at 5.0 seconds ;D..I really want the best ;D..Of course within budget ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 26, 2008 at 05:34 PM
This sounds really interesting. I don't know if anyone has done something similar in this forum - blind test for deinterlacing/upscaling.

Paul will have to help me to develop the procedures!  :)

We should try to make it as scientific as possible. Offhand, we need to adjust brightness and contrast (and maybe color and hue) for each player.

We also need big black blindfolds.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 26, 2008 at 07:22 PM
Paul will have to help me to develop the procedures!  :)

Sure Mark, the HQV Benchmark DVD will be ideal tool to test those video scaler in the DVD Players through a set grueling video obstacle course. :)

"The video clips and test patterns on this DVD have been specifically designed to evaluate a variety of interlaced video signal processing tasks including decoding, de-interlacing, motion correction, noise reduction, film cadence detection, and detail enhancement. The ultimate quality of the images that you watch is limited by any, and all of these factors. Only the rarest video processor inside certain players can handle all of these tasks successfully!"
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: zedric on May 26, 2008 at 08:51 PM
I have the Oppo 983
Mark has the HD-A35
Who can lend the Pioneer 600? ;D

Will be great to do a shoot out comparison! :D

mga sir meron po ako, pio 600 na puwedeng magamit
kung puwede pong sumama sana,
im using the pio600 to project sa optoma hd70.
hope i could also bring the projector to see the the difference. alam ko kasi may macroblocking issues when using fajuoda chips with dlp projectors like the optoma hd70

thanks and hope to meet the gurus of pdvd
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 26, 2008 at 09:57 PM
mga sir meron po ako, pio 600 na puwedeng magamit
kung puwede pong sumama sana,
im using the pio600 to project sa optoma hd70.
hope i could also bring the projector to see the the difference. alam ko kasi may macroblocking issues when using fajuoda chips with dlp projectors like the optoma hd70

thanks and hope to meet the gurus of pdvd

I have a pio 696. Should be the same as the pio 600.

It will be complicated to test the optoma hd70 at the same time as we test several dvd players. We can do that another time.

In any case, you can join the shoot-out. The more the better!  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 26, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Sure Mark, the HQV Benchmark DVD will be ideal tool to test those video scaler in the DVD Players through a set grueling video obstacle course. :)

"The video clips and test patterns on this DVD have been specifically designed to evaluate a variety of interlaced video signal processing tasks including decoding, de-interlacing, motion correction, noise reduction, film cadence detection, and detail enhancement. The ultimate quality of the images that you watch is limited by any, and all of these factors. Only the rarest video processor inside certain players can handle all of these tasks successfully!"

Oh ... Sounds really fun!!!  ;D ;D

Having said that, let's do this as scientifically as possible (dami limitations syempre) and as simple as can be so that everyone understands it!  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on May 27, 2008 at 09:57 AM
This project will definitely reveal the pros and cons of all our most chosen dvd players. Goodluck guys and hope you could examine them tediously.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 27, 2008 at 10:35 AM
These are the comparisons I want to make:

1. Pio 696 direct to pj vs. Pio 696 through Denon 2808
2. Oppo 983 vs Pio 696 through VP50Pro
3. Oppo 983 vs Pio 696 through Denon 2808
4. Toshiba HD-A35 vs. Oppo 983

I understand that the Pio 696 is equivalent to the Pio 600 sa video processing. Actually, I also have a Panny BD-30 and a Sony DVD upscaler but I think that few people are interested in these.

Any suggestions on other comparisons? Any suggestions on procedures?

I would like to invite a minimum of 5, maximum of 15  ;D Pinoydvd addicts to participate in the shoot-out. Blind test. We will post detailed results.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on May 27, 2008 at 10:48 AM
How about this:

REFERENCE: VP50PRO  (Pio 696 set at 480i for a pure standard signal, to VP50PRO, to display).

COMPARE WITH:

1. Direct to display:  Pio 696 vs Oppo 983 vs Tosh A35; vs.:
2. Through Denon 2808:  Pio 696 vs Oppo 983; vs.:
3. Through VP50PRO: Pio 696 vs Oppo 983.

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 27, 2008 at 11:01 AM
How about this:

REFERENCE: VP50PRO  (Pio 696 set at 480i for a pure standard signal, to VP50PRO, to display).

COMPARE WITH:

1. Direct to display:  Pio 696 vs Oppo 983 vs Tosh A35; vs.:
2. Through Denon 2808:  Pio 696 vs Oppo 983; vs.:
3. Through VP50PRO: Pio 696 vs Oppo 983.



Baka matagal masyado. I estimate that each comparison will take around 10 minutes. Baka mainip at maduling ang tao.

Having said that, let's see what others say.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Munskie on May 27, 2008 at 11:05 AM
How about this:

REFERENCE: VP50PRO  (Pio 696 set at 480i for a pure standard signal, to VP50PRO, to display).

COMPARE WITH:

1. Direct to display:  Pio 696 vs Oppo 983 vs Tosh A35; vs.:
2. Through Denon 2808:  Pio 696 vs Oppo 983; vs.:
3. Through VP50PRO: Pio 696 vs Oppo 983.


Im up for this....   ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ESi on May 27, 2008 at 11:17 AM
ditto marvin.

If your interested guys to compare the OPPO 980's performance just tell me. I might just be of a little help.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: MAtZTER on May 27, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Ok. Got it. Maganda nga raw ang video processing ng Onkyo 875. It would still be nice to compare it to the Oppo 983!  :)

I wonder who is going to be kind enough to lug a 61 lb Onkyo 875 to a shootout, hehe.  :)

We also need big black blindfolds.  ;D

How about polka dot or floral design? Will it affect PQ?  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 27, 2008 at 11:22 AM
a Sony DVD upscaler but I think that few people are interested in these.

Yes, agree. I own a SONY DVD upscaler cost P15,000 about 2 years ago & it fails terribly on the HQV benchmark test :-[

Any suggestions on other comparisons? Any suggestions on procedures?

Can we include the highly popular PS3 since many Pdvd members own it? Sony PS3 vs Pioneer 696 or 600 ;D

Mark, have you managed to review the HQV test? :) It evaluates a variety of video processing tasks including decoding, de-interlacing, motion correction, noise reduction, film cadence detection & detail enhancement. We can select those essential & simpler tests only. :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 27, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Can we include the highly popular PS3 since many Pdvd members own it? Sony PS3 vs Pioneer 696 or 600 ;D

Mark, have you managed to review the HQV test? :) It evaluates a variety of video processing tasks including decoding, de-interlacing, motion correction, noise reduction, film cadence detection & detail enhancement. We can select those essential & simpler tests only. :)

I agree that the PS3 is a must cuz a lot of guys own it. Someone needs to bring a unit - Paul?  ;D

Yes, I reviewed the HQV test. It actually looks pretty awesome! Why don't we test it sa HT ko so we can decide how to use it.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 27, 2008 at 11:40 AM
ditto marvin.

If your interested guys to compare the OPPO 980's performance just tell me. I might just be of a little help.

The Oppo 980 is likewise quite interesting. If you can bring one, that will be great.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 27, 2008 at 11:44 AM
I wonder who is going to be kind enough to lug a 61 lb Onkyo 875 to a shootout, hehe.  :)

If you think of it, pwede rin ang Onkyo 875 kasi we would just look at the video. No need to connect all the audio sources and power amps. Only one cable from pj and one cable from the source.

Malaking tao ka naman, Matz! Kaya mong bitbitin yun.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: leomar on May 27, 2008 at 11:52 AM
I would also suggest that the PS3 in the blind test should be updated with the latest firmware (v2.20 ata ?) and with the settings

Frame Noise Reduction ( 3 )
Block Noise Reduction ( 3 )
Mosquito Noise Reductions ( 3 )

 ;D

I know talo ang PS3 sa 983 sa dvd playback pero i want to know the views of the experts and gurus in PDVD din  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 27, 2008 at 11:58 AM
I agree that the PS3 is a must cuz a lot of guys own it. Someone needs to bring a unit - Paul?  ;D

Hehe...sure but I will be the last resort, will give other participants the opportunity to contribute & showcase their PS3. ;D My initial test on the PS3 is quite impressive...much better than my Sony DVD upscaler! :o

Yes, I reviewed the HQV test. It actually looks pretty awesome! Why don't we test it sa HT ko so we can decide how to use it. :)

Yes, will keep in touch with you this weekend once I'm available. :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 27, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Hehe...sure but I will be the last resort, will give other participants the opportunity to contribute & showcase their PS3. ;D

Hehe! Really kind of you, Paul.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 27, 2008 at 12:03 PM
I would also suggest that the PS3 in the blind test should be updated with the latest firmware (v2.20 ata ?) and with the settings

Frame Noise Reduction ( 3 )
Block Noise Reduction ( 3 )
Mosquito Noise Reductions ( 3 )

 ;D

I know talo ang PS3 sa 983 sa dvd playback pero i want to know the views of the experts and gurus in PDVD din  ;D

If no one has any objections, we will use these settings. I'm not a PS3 owner so I can't really comment.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on May 27, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Excited ako to know the result since megatron crumpled my 676 :'( so I need a new player asap :) Blinfold test reviewing dvdps ;D or cover for the players? :) Dapat yung magswi-switch ng players hindi kasama sa magre-rate ng result para hindi biased :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: MAtZTER on May 27, 2008 at 12:17 PM
If you think of it, pwede rin ang Onkyo 875 kasi we would just look at the video. No need to connect all the audio sources and power amps. Only one cable from pj and one cable from the source.

Malaking tao ka naman, Matz! Kaya mong bitbitin yun.  ;D

As long as there is:

LECHON BAKA! LECHON BAKA!

 ;D :D ;)

ROFL LMAO
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 27, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Excited ako to know the result since megatron crumpled my 676 :'( so I need a new player asap :) Blinfold test reviewing dvdps ;D or cover for the players? :) Dapat yung magswi-switch ng players hindi kasama sa magre-rate ng result para hindi biased :)

Grabe pala si Megatron! Wasak!  ;D

Blindfold talaga kasi lalabas pangalan ng player sa screen at the beginning.

Ako at si Paul ang taga-switch ng players. Di kami kasama sa raters.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM
As long as there is:

LECHON BAKA! LECHON BAKA!

 ;D :D ;)

ROFL LMAO

Ang bigat naman ng kundisyon mo!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: MAtZTER on May 27, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Ang bigat naman ng kundisyon mo!  ;D ;D

Mabigat din yung amp eh.  ;D :D

Joke lang sir, I love joking around w/ you specially on that Lechon thing... :D ;D

Pero sana meron talaga! hee hee hee  ;) :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on May 27, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Baka matagal masyado. I estimate that each comparison will take around 10 minutes. Baka mainip at maduling ang tao.

Gawin nating straight connection lahat:

REFERENCE: VP50PRO  (Pio 696 set at 480i for a pure standard signal, to VP50PRO, to display).

COMPARE WITH:

1. Straight Pio 696 vs
2. Straight Oppo 983 vs
3. Pio 696 at 480i through Denon 2808 vs.
4. Straight Tosh A35 vs.
5. Straight PS3.

At 10 mins. each, around 1 hour total!

How about burning the demo clips on 4 separate DVD-Rs, each having identical contents.  Each player will have its own disc for faster switching.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 27, 2008 at 01:08 PM
Gawin nating straight connection lahat:

REFERENCE: VP50PRO  (Pio 696 set at 480i for a pure standard signal, to VP50PRO, to display).

COMPARE WITH:

1. Straight Pio 696 vs
2. Straight Oppo 983 vs
3. Pio 696 at 480i through Denon 2808 vs.
4. Straight Tosh A35 vs.
5. Straight PS3.

At 10 mins. each, around 1 hour total!


If the VP50Pro wins all the A-B tests (which is likely), you don't really prove anything. This may not be a good idea.

The Oppo 983 is very interesting. I think people would be interested in the following (all straight):

1. Pio 696 vs Oppo 983
2. Tosh A35 vs Oppo 983
3. Pio 696 vs Tosh A35
4. PS3 vs Oppo 983
5. PS3 vs Pio 696
6. Oppo 980 vs Oppo 983
7. Oppo 983 vs Pio 696 thru VP50Pro

Before doing the test, Paul and I will determine the optimum setting for each player (contrast, brightness, color, tint, sharpness, noise reduction).
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Weng! on May 27, 2008 at 01:11 PM
wow, ang dami ng choices for comparison. dapat documented to kasi di madali mag gather ng mga gears for a shootout. i'm very interested to know, "3. Pio 696 at 480i through Denon 2808 vs." on how far this stands against the rest.

baka pagkatapos ng shootout magta-traffic na ang website ng hkflix at JAC sa mga order ng oppo983 from pinoydvd lang ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on May 27, 2008 at 01:15 PM
Tama yata si sir streetsmart.

I vote for his procedure on Reply #116!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on May 27, 2008 at 01:20 PM
ps3 competitive yan ;) ganda din ng picture quality
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 27, 2008 at 01:49 PM
Tama yata si sir streetsmart.

I vote for his procedure on Reply #116!

Nakalimutan ko include ang Denon 2808. I think people will be interested in that kasi marami din Denon owners. Also, the 2808 is the cheapest Denon with the advanced version of Audyssey.

Paul and I will sit down together this weekend. Tingnan ko ang testing software nya (HQV benchmark). We will refine the procedures and post them here for everyone to scrutinize and make recommendations.

Once Paul's Oppo 983 comes, we will finalize the date for the shoot-out. We will need volunteers to be the judges. We will disclose who the judges were but we will not disclose their individual scores. Only the total scores.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 27, 2008 at 06:35 PM
The Oppo 983 is very interesting. I think people would be interested in the following (all straight):

1. Pio 696 vs Oppo 983
2. Tosh A35 vs Oppo 983
3. Pio 696 vs Tosh A35
4. PS3 vs Oppo 983
5. PS3 vs Pio 696
6. Oppo 980 vs Oppo 983
7. Oppo 983 vs Pio 696 thru VP50Pro

Wow...many nice models...I'm salivating na to know the results... :)

For simplicity, maybe we can list down "ALL the players" participating in the shoot-out instead of saying "ABC player vs XYZ player"... it's a bit confusing. ;D

Perhaps we could use a ranking system where the judges can award the points accordingly to each individual player. Thus, in the future we can easily add in additional players to be tested & update the ranking appropriately. :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 28, 2008 at 08:06 AM
Wow...many nice models...I'm salivating na to know the results... :)

For simplicity, maybe we can list down "ALL the players" participating in the shoot-out instead of saying "ABC player vs XYZ player"... it's a bit confusing. ;D

Perhaps we could use a ranking system where the judges can award the points accordingly to each individual player. Thus, in the future we can easily add in additional players to be tested & update the ranking appropriately. :)

This is something that can be discussed. That's actually the simplest method but that's not a blind test. A blind test is an A-B comparison. What you refer to is the points that some magazines give to products, but these are quite controversial because they can be very subjective.

If you wish, we could do a blind test and we can also do the points system you mention, but the points system will not be blind.

I'd like to hear what others may suggest.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on May 28, 2008 at 08:19 AM
Can you guys include the oppo 981 ( if there will be any volunteers to bring this unit.) There is no Faroudja chip ata in your list. Also pls add toshiba a35 vs. ps3 ;D..Thanks
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 28, 2008 at 08:22 AM
Also pls add toshiba a35 vs. ps3 ;D..Thanks

Both are already in the list na Raymond. ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 28, 2008 at 08:34 AM
Can you guys include the oppo 981 ( if there will be any volunteers to bring this unit.) There is no Faroudja chip ata in your list. Also pls add toshiba a35 vs. ps3 ;D..Thanks

ESi has volunteered to bring Oppo 980. I don't know how different that is from the 981.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on May 28, 2008 at 09:38 AM
ESi has volunteered to bring Oppo 980. I don't know how different that is from the 981.

I think the 980 has an advanced mediatek chip. 981 has the faroudja chip. I think the 981 (nothing against 980) would be a real good player to include in this test imo bec its only priced at 229usd. The 980 is good too bec it cost 169usd. Oppo 981 is compared to the Denon 2910 or 3910 ata, performance wise ata.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 28, 2008 at 09:46 AM
I think the 980 has an advanced mediatek chip. 981 has the faroudja chip. I think the 981 (nothing against 980) would be a real good player to include in this test imo bec its only priced at 229usd. The 980 is good too bec it cost 169usd. Oppo 981 is compared to the Denon 2910 or 3910 ata, performance wise ata.

If someone volunteers an Oppo 981, that would be great. Wala lang ako kilala na merong ganun. Si @danrd lang pero binenta na nya.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: kalash on May 28, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Just a suggestion,

can you also include a non-upscaling dvd player so for people like me who does'nt  have one yet could decide if it is really worth it to spend on a brand new upscaler since most of the consumers have already an existing dvd player.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 28, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Just a suggestion,

can you also include a non-upscaling dvd player so for people like me who does'nt  have one yet could decide if it is really worth it to spend on a brand new upscaler since most of the consumers have already an existing dvd player.

That's easy. We just set the output of a dvd player to 480i and I can assure you that it will fail all the tests in the HQV benchmark. The difference is like night and day, especially on bigger screens. We will be using a 120" screen so the weakness of 480i will be very apparent.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 28, 2008 at 12:57 PM
I can assure you that it will fail all the tests in the HQV benchmark. The difference is like night and day, especially on bigger screens. We will be using a 120" screen so the weakness of 480i will be very apparent.

True...the objective of the proposed shoot-out is to compare all the popular upscaled DVD players performance & to see which one is among the best. 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: kalash on May 28, 2008 at 01:38 PM
That's easy. We just set the output of a dvd player to 480i and I can assure you that it will fail all the tests in the HQV benchmark. The difference is like night and day, especially on bigger screens. We will be using a 120" screen so the weakness of 480i will be very apparent.
[/quote]With a PJ and screen size that big, a dvd upscaler would definitely have a big impact on it but on smaller screen sizes like a 32inch lcd how large would its impact be.

This is something that can be discussed. That's actually the simplest method but that's not a blind test. A blind test is an A-B comparison. What you refer to is the points that some magazines give to products, but these are quite controversial because they can be very subjective.

If you wish, we could do a blind test and we can also do the points system you mention, but the points system will not be blind.

I'd like to hear what others may suggest.
I would say that both methods are subjective but with the nature of the experiment, a point system and ranking them after would be more applicable. Blind test is usually done when you are comparing two different parties; like blu ray vs hd dvd, analog vs digital, lcd vs plasma but like what pchin said,
True...the objective of the proposed shoot-out is to compare all the popular upscaled DVD players performance & to see which one is among the best. 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 28, 2008 at 01:56 PM
With a PJ and screen size that big, a dvd upscaler would definitely have a big impact on it but on smaller screen sizes like a 32inch lcd how large would its impact be.

On a 32" lcd, you can see the difference between 480i and 480p. But if you try to go up to 720p, at normal viewing distance, you probably won't see any difference.


I would say that both methods are subjective but with the nature of the experiment, a point system and ranking them after would be more applicable. Blind test is usually done when you are comparing two different parties; like blu ray vs hd dvd, analog vs digital, lcd vs plasma 


Actually, the HQV benchmark is objective but if you give one player a rating of 90 for a particular test, its hard to say when you give a rating of 91 or 89. That's when it becomes subjective and you may have to go back and review one particular product vs the other. That's why its hard to make it a blind test.

The idea behind the blind test is to remove the knowledge that you are rating a particular product, because this might introduce some bias. In a blind test, however, you normally do A-B tests, i.e., one against another one. That's because our memory of the video quality is easily forgotten. Of course, if you are testing multiple products, then you have to a lot of A-B tests, and that is its weakness.

Between the 2, I think that a blind test is better, but harder to implement. I don't know what others think.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: kalash on May 28, 2008 at 02:16 PM
Even with the point system, the judges should not know the brand they are judging so as not to create bias. By doing the A-B test, you would also arrive at ranking them from the best to the worst. I agree that we easily forget the video quality of one device so it is best to integrate both methods. If there is time constraints you could set a benchmark player and compare the rest to it if it would be ranked higher or lower to it and group them. And then repeat the process for the new group.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 28, 2008 at 02:30 PM
Even with the point system, the judges should not know the brand they are judging so as not to create bias. By doing the A-B test, you would also arrive at ranking them from the best to the worst. I agree that we easily forget the video quality of one device so it is best to integrate both methods. If there is time constraints you could set a benchmark player and compare the rest to it if it would be ranked higher or lower to it and group them. And then repeat the process for the new group.

This might be possible. Sounds like one of those logical brain-twisters.  ;D

Assume that we have the following devices to rank:

1. Pio 600
2. Oppo 983
3. PS3
4. HD-A35
5. Pio 600 with VP50
6. Pio 600 with Denon 2808
7. Oppo 981

What procedure would you suggest for the testing, keeping in mind that people's video memory can be short?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Munskie on May 28, 2008 at 02:52 PM
This might be possible. Sounds like one of those logical brain-twisters.  ;D

Assume that we have the following devices to rank:

1. Pio 600
2. Oppo 983
3. PS3
4. HD-A35
5. Pio 600 with VP50
6. Pio 600 with Denon 2808
7. Oppo 981

What procedure would you suggest for the testing, keeping in mind that people's video memory can be short?

Mark, ilang "hdmi in" ang 2808 mo?   May I suggest to have multiple copies of reference source material, para sabay sabay maiplay yung mga scenes, then toggle na lang sa AVR yung source input.

Mahirap kasi split screen or multiple screen, its a logistics nightmare, and besides, dapat same brand na monitor, tapos calibrated rin dapat pareho.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 28, 2008 at 03:18 PM
Assume that we have the following devices to rank:
1. Pio 600
2. Oppo 983
3. PS3
4. HD-A35
5. Pio 600 with VP50
6. Pio 600 with Denon 2808
7. Oppo 981

Since Pio 600 is pairing with VP50 & Denon 2808, maybe we can also have the other players pair with VP50 & Denon 2808? ;D Thus, we have three groups of testing:

Group A: Standalone
Group B: with VP50
Group C: with Denon 2808

....on second thought, the judges may complain of the long judging hours...parang beauty pageant with various categories  :P
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on May 28, 2008 at 03:30 PM
May I suggest to have multiple copies of reference source material, para sabay sabay maiplay yung mga scenes, then toggle na lang sa AVR yung source input.

That's what I also suggested here:

How about burning the demo clips on 4 separate DVD-Rs, each having identical contents.  Each player will have its own disc for faster switching.

This will save the time needed for loading the disc to the next player and forwarding to the proper test scene.
Quick switching between video sources is important for accuracy, so the viewer doesn't forget how the previous image looked like. 


The idea behind the blind test is to remove the knowledge that you are rating a particular product, because this might introduce some bias. In a blind test, however, you normally do A-B tests, i.e., one against another one. That's because our memory of the video quality is easily forgotten. Of course, if you are testing multiple products, then you have to a lot of A-B tests, and that is its weakness.

Between the 2, I think that a blind test is better, but harder to implement. I don't know what others think.

AFAIK, blind tests are the norm for audio equipment, but not for video equipment.  In audio, they have stricter methods for higher accuracy, the rationale being that ears are less reliable than eyes. 


Assume that we have the following devices to rank:

1. Pio 600
2. Oppo 983
3. PS3
4. HD-A35
5. Pio 600 with VP50
6. Pio 600 with Denon 2808
7. Oppo 981

What procedure would you suggest for the testing, keeping in mind that people's video memory can be short?

I have another suggestion (na naman? ;D):

Why not pattern it after the professionals?  And if you're looking for tests done by obsessive-compulsive HT weirdos, there's no crazier bunch of HT geeks than at hometheaterhifi.com.

Here's my suggestion:

1. Think of a list of video criteria you want to test.
2. Look for video clips that will test each criterion and assemble the clips on a DVD-R.
3. Test each player individually, then give each player: (a) 1 score for each criterion and (b) 1 overall score.
4. Tabulate the results on a chart. 

That way, you test each player only once.  Comparisons will be made by simply referring to the chart.


Sample chart from Secrets DVD Benchmark: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?articles=all&function=search
Prog Scan shootout guide: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_10_1/dvd-benchmark-guide-to-progressive-scan-shootout-1-2003.html
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 28, 2008 at 03:48 PM
AFAIK, blind tests are the norm for audio equipment, but not for video equipment.  In audio, they have stricter methods for higher accuracy, the rationale being that ears are less reliable than eyes. 

Let's take this one by one. I like this observation. I think you may be right. If this is the case, can we agree that this will NOT be a blind test? That will simplify a LOT of things.

With regard to the test material, Paul has an HQV benchmark discs that can provide all the test images. No problem.

We could also burn multiple copies and use the VP50 as a hub cuz it has 4 HDMI and 2 component inputs. My only concern is the HDMI hand-shaking. Paminsan, di makita ng processor ang source unless you switch it off first - I will need to confirm if this is an issue. Note that even if the test is "sighted," it will still be useful to compare players to each other so as to validate scores.

Basahin ko rin mga links ni @barrister but I think that Paul's HQV benchmark will be the best.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on May 28, 2008 at 03:52 PM
If this is the case, can we agree that this will NOT be a blind test? That will simplify a LOT of things.

Blind testing won't be necessary.  If you browse my homeheaterhifi.com links, you'll find that not even the crew of Secrets uses blind testing for video.

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 28, 2008 at 03:54 PM
Sample chart from Secrets DVD Benchmark: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?articles=all&function=search
Prog Scan shootout guide: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_10_1/dvd-benchmark-guide-to-progressive-scan-shootout-1-2003.html

Nakow!!! Super OC naman itong link!! Di natin kaya yan!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 28, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Blind testing won't be necessary.  If you browse my homeheaterhifi.com links, you'll find that not even the crew of Secrets uses blind testing for video.



Sige. If no one has any objections, then we will do a "sighted" test. Simplifies a lot of things.

Next step, Paul and I will have to review his benchmark disc and then see if we can easily toggle between sources. Palagay ko, kaya through the component inputs but maybe not HDMI.

Assignment of Paul will be to burn multiple copies of his disc.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 28, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Assignment of Paul will be to burn multiple copies of his disc.  ;D

Good ideal of Munskie & barrister :)

No problem...at your service Mark! ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 30, 2008 at 08:53 AM
Mark, I have prepared two HQV discs & the score sheet mockup + score card should be ready after lunch.

Will drop over to your house this afternoon for your preview & test run. We'll catch up tomorrow 2pm to discuss further. :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on May 30, 2008 at 09:06 AM
Mark, I have prepared two HQV discs & the score sheet mockup + score card should be ready after lunch.

Will drop over to your house this afternoon for your preview & test run. We'll catch up tomorrow 2pm to discuss further. :)

That's great! When is your Oppo 983 arriving? Have you confirmed that it has reached JAC NY?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on May 30, 2008 at 09:26 AM
That's great! When is your Oppo 983 arriving? Have you confirmed that it has reached JAC NY?

Later I'll check with JAC. Hopefully it's here na.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 03, 2008 at 06:12 AM
pchin and jay2 were at my place last Saturday and we tested the HQV Calibration disc with several different set-ups. The calibration disc is pretty awesome. Its not that difficult to understand and it already has a point system. In fact, we already have a pretty good idea of the points of some players, including some that really surprised me. Secret pa.  ;D

When Paul's Oppo 983 arrives, we'll have the shoot-out. We need volunteers to do the scoring. This will be a "sighted" test. Am not yet sure if this will be by consensus or each to his own. Please send me a PM if you are interested in being a volunteer.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: kalash on Jun 03, 2008 at 09:33 PM
Can you post some photos of the shootout test?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 03, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Can you post some photos of the shootout test?

No shootout yet. Just did some prelim testing. PS3, Pio, Panny BD30, Tosh HD-A35, DVDO VP50Pro
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: kalash on Jun 03, 2008 at 10:24 PM
yes, I mean after doing the shootout test, can you post comparison images of all the different upscalers produces?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 03, 2008 at 10:44 PM
pchin and jay2 were at my place last Saturday and we tested the HQV Calibration disc with several different set-ups. The calibration disc is pretty awesome. Its not that difficult to understand and it already has a point system. In fact, we already have a pretty good idea of the points of some players, including some that really surprised me. Secret pa.  ;D

We had fun testing the various DVD players at Mark's place. :D Using the HQV Benchmark disc is straighforward & seeing the different results esp the PS3 caught us by surprise. ;D Can't wait to see the actual shootout results.

Mark, let me kow if you need to refine the score sheet format. Looks like my Oppo 983 will arrive this weekend. :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 03, 2008 at 10:56 PM
We had fun testing the various DVD players at Mark's place. :D Using the HQV Benchmark disc is straighforward & seeing the different results esp the PS3 caught us by surprise. ;D

Hay si Paul! Sabi na nga secret! English naman yun, ano?  ;D ;D

Let's just use the HQV score sheet. At least that is independent and we can't be accused of bias.  :)

I am really really curious about the Oppo 983!!  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: leomar on Jun 03, 2008 at 11:08 PM
nabasa ko somewhere, comparing 983 and ps3 using the HQV benchmark... hindi yata  ??? ung ps3 while 983 is  ??? ... tama ba? hehe

edited para sa mga hindi pa nakabasa  ;D ;D

peace gurus!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 04, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Hay si Paul! Sabi na nga secret! English naman yun, ano?  ;D ;D

Let's just use the HQV score sheet. At least that is independent and we can't be accused of bias.  :)
I am really really curious about the Oppo 983!!  :)

Ah I didn't reveal any result...but it seems leomar was the one who has busted the bubble for us na... ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 04, 2008 at 01:16 AM
OPPO Digital DV-983H User Review
http://www.prillaman.net/oppo983_review.html

OPPO Digital DVD Players – User Comparison (DV-981HD, DV-980H, and DV-983H)
http://www.prillaman.net/oppodvd_review.html
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 05, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Congrat Jun for getting his Oppo player na... :)

I'm sure he's very busy now with his near toy...hope to hear from him soon ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: kalash on Jun 05, 2008 at 10:45 AM
I hope the shootout starts soon. Real world experience is still different from results of test cds.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jun 05, 2008 at 11:09 AM
My NEW TOY!!!!

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Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jun 05, 2008 at 11:45 AM
nice sir oreoshake ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 05, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Real world experience is still different from results of test cds.

TRUE! Comments like these are so badly needed in our audio threads.  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Munskie on Jun 05, 2008 at 11:56 AM
My NEW TOY!!!!

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congrats!!!  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 05, 2008 at 05:23 PM
Nice! Tell us what you think of the pq please.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 05, 2008 at 08:58 PM
Congrats sir oreoshake..feedback naman thanks
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jun 06, 2008 at 01:33 AM
Here's my first take:

PQ: I watched Transformers (Region 3) again using the 983 and the PQ is really awesome, breathtaking, definitely better than my previous DVD player, almost near HD quality.  This with upconversion to 720p via HDMI to Onkyo 705 then HDMI to TV (Samsung 50" L6HR DLP TV, 720p native resolution).  After recalibrating my TV using GetGray, the PQ is simply awesome, color was more life-like and not artificial..

AQ: Excellent audio for both movie and CD, clearer, cleaner, in fact I have to reduce the volume on the receiver when listening to the BEST of FOURPLAY CD audio.  I may not need a power amp anymore [for now  ;) ] as my 7.1 audio system really sounds so much better with this DVD player..  Definitely, I will not buy a dedicated CD player anymore since this DVD player is already an excellent CD player as well.. 

Definitely, this DVD player is for keeps.. Never had regrets in buying this player even if this is expensive..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 06, 2008 at 06:57 AM
Here's my first take:

PQ: I watched Transformers (Region 3) again using the 983 and the PQ is really awesome, breathtaking, definitely better than my previous DVD player, almost near HD quality.  This with upconversion to 720p via HDMI to Onkyo 705 then HDMI to TV (Samsung 50" L6HR DLP TV, 720p native resolution).  After recalibrating my TV using GetGray, the PQ is simply awesome, color was more life-like and not artificial..

AQ: Excellent audio for both movie and CD, clearer, cleaner, in fact I have to reduce the volume on the receiver when listening to the BEST of FOURPLAY CD audio.  I may not need a power amp anymore [for now  ;) ] as my 7.1 audio system really sounds so much better with this DVD player..  Definitely, I will not buy a dedicated CD player anymore since this DVD player is already an excellent CD player as well.. 

Definitely, this DVD player is for keeps.. Never had regrets in buying this player even if this is expensive..

I'm not surprised by this rave review, given the excellent reviews that this player has had so far.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 06, 2008 at 07:29 AM
Definitely, this DVD player is for keeps.. Never had regrets in buying this player even if this is expensive..

Whoa...the more I'm salivating after reading your excellent feedback! :D

Hurry up JAC...hope I can get it latest by tomorrow in time for the long weekend. ::)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 06, 2008 at 07:36 AM
Whoa...the more I'm salivating after reading your excellent feedback! :D

Hurry up JAC...hope I can get it latest by tomorrow in time for the long weekend. ::)


Shootout na!Shootout na! Pchin, I have a feeling it will come in today. ;D JAC pa ..Always great timing ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: kalash on Jun 06, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Looks like everyone is excited.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 06, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Ang galing!!!   Bilib na ko talaga sa Oppo!

Sir streetsmart, I have a new suggestion.  Dagdagan natin ng SD DVD vs Blu-ray comparison, Oppo 983 upscale vs PS3 Blu-ray lang para hindi time-consuming.

Eto ang condition:  Dapat both discs came from the same high def master.  Unfair kasi kung yung SD ay encoded from an old SD master, tapos yung Blu-ray ay VC-1-encoded from a new high def master.

For example:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JzKBIGxjL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61x90r02BHL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

I Am Legend Blu-ray vs I Am Legend SD DVD

Before you dismiss this comparison as nonsense, hear me out first.

Here's the premise: We know that Blu-ray will definitely be better than SD DVD.  But the question is, "Just how much better will Blu-ray really be when compared with an SD DVD, encoded from a high def master, upscaled on an Oppo 983, when both are viewed from 9-foot distance?"
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 06, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Here's the premise: We know that Blu-ray will definitely be better than SD DVD.  But the question is, "Just how much better will Blu-ray really be when compared with an SD DVD, encoded from a high def master, upscaled on an Oppo 983, when both are viewed from 9-foot distance?"

Is the SD I am Legend R1, atty? I'm getting the Blu-ray but don't have the SD. If R3 pq is as good as R1 then I might get it. :)

The viewing distance of my 42" HDTV set is about 9 feet. Will do the testing once my Oppo 983 arrives & surely will do another round in Mark's dedicated HT with his gigantic screen. :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 06, 2008 at 01:05 PM
No, it's I am Legend.  I'm suggesting it because I think (but I'm not sure) the SD DVD was encoded from the same high def master that they used for encoding the Blu-ray version.

I, Robot might not be a good disc for comparing with Blu-ray.  I, Robot SD DVD is a much older release, Dec. 14, 2004, according to Amazon.  Judging form the release date, it was probably not encoded from a high def master.

We'll appreciate it very much if you can also test on your setup.  A good player shootout should involve different monitor types and sizes, but this will not be possible on the official shootout because of space and equipment limitations.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 06, 2008 at 01:17 PM
Opsss....actually I meant " I am Legend" NOT "I, Robot"... typo error lang kc recently I did a I Robot comparison btw SD vs BLU. Will Smith are in both movies. Seeing too much of him (including Independance Day) is making my brain confuse. ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 06, 2008 at 01:24 PM
Then that's great!

I'm sure a lot of members want to know how  SD compares with BD under controlled conditions such as content (I am Legend ), monitor calibration, high-end upscaling (Oppo 983) and viewing distance.

You might also want to check the SD DVD's average bitrate using:

DVD Bit Rate Viewer (for PC): http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Other-VIDEO-Tools/DVD-Bit-Rate-Viewer.shtml
MacDVDBitrateParanoia (for Mac): http://web.mac.com/altero/altero/Soft_EN.html
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 06, 2008 at 03:29 PM
Then that's great!

I'm sure a lot of members want to know how  SD compares with BD under controlled conditions such as content (I am Legend ), monitor calibration, high-end upscaling (Oppo 983) and viewing distance.

You might also want to check the SD DVD's average bitrate using:

DVD Bit Rate Viewer (for PC): http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Other-VIDEO-Tools/DVD-Bit-Rate-Viewer.shtml
MacDVDBitrateParanoia (for Mac): http://web.mac.com/altero/altero/Soft_EN.html

Well, I have the Blu-ray and Superbit versions of "The Fifth Element." That should be good! Let's see if people can guess which one is Blu-ray.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 06, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Yes, Fifth Element is good demo material.  Especially kung kabisado mo na ang scenes.

The only problem is that it's had so many releases that it's hard to keep track.  A good comparison should be the Superbit vs. the remastered Blu-ray.

Here's what I know:

1. DVD:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511TQTK3YQL._SL160_AA115_.jpg)

The Superbit was the 2nd release (2001), highly praised for excellent audio and video.


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41wgnsEpboL._SL160_AA115_.jpg)

The Ultimate Edition is the 3rd and latest release (2005).  Sabi ni Bill Hunt, it's the same print used for the Superbit; and both versions used a high def master. 

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews3/spinsheet010505.html


2. Blu-ray

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NWXCWG26L._SL160_AA115_.jpg)

The first Blu-ray release (2006, BD-25).  Kawawa naman ito, nilait-lait dahil palpak daw, MPEG-2 codec lang ang ginamit, e pang-SD DVD lang ang MPEG-2.


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517PoG17%2BuL._SL160_AA115_.jpg)

The remastered Blu-ray (2007, dual layer BD-50), using AVC MPEG-4 codec.  Ayos na daw ang version na ito.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 06, 2008 at 04:14 PM
I have the Superbit and the remastered Blu-Ray versions of "Fifth Element."

I suspect a lot of people are familiar with the film because for the longest time, this has been the reference dvd of a lot of people. I myself know some scenes by heart.

It will really be interesting to see if people can detect a difference. We can even try varying viewing distances for my 120" screen: From 15 feet to 23 feet.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 06, 2008 at 04:39 PM
I have the Superbit and the remastered Blu-Ray versions of "Fifth Element."

Ayos!

Wala na sigurong palusot ang mga Blu-ray fanboys.  :D

I'm expecting Blu-ray to perform better, but not by much.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 06, 2008 at 05:55 PM
It will really be interesting to see if people can detect a difference. We can even try varying viewing distances for my 120" screen: From 15 feet to 23 feet.  ;D

Yes, this will be interesting too I'm also keen to see the difference of a newer SD movie (which has PQ improvement over older SD titles) vs Blu-ray. :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 06, 2008 at 06:52 PM
I have the Superbit and the remastered Blu-Ray versions of "Fifth Element."

I suspect a lot of people are familiar with the film because for the longest time, this has been the reference dvd of a lot of people. I myself know some scenes by heart.

It will really be interesting to see if people can detect a difference. We can even try varying viewing distances for my 120" screen: From 15 feet to 23 feet.  ;D

This is a good test, it was a bit difficult for me to spot the difference at streetsmart's setup.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: frootloops on Jun 06, 2008 at 08:23 PM
When you say newer SD, beginning from what year? Kasi I / some have plans of also getting this but if most of our SD's are old, it might just be a waste or di sulit. Thanks.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 06, 2008 at 09:08 PM
The answer will have to be on a per-title basis. 

You will have to research on the internet.  There's no other way around it.

For example:

If you have Saving Private Ryan, that's good enough, since no remaster is forthcoming.  It may be an old release, but the first SD DVD release is the best and only version available.

If you have the latest R3 version of Con-Air, know that it's an antique.  The improvement on the remastered DVD must be seen to be believed:     

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/516GKCDV98L._SL160_AA115_.jpg)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 06, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Yes, this will be interesting too I'm also keen to see the difference of a newer SD movie (which has PQ improvement over older SD titles) vs Blu-ray. :)

Paul, I still buy a lot more SD titles than BD or HD. I havent found an SD disc which is CLEARLY better than Fifth Element Superbit. Maybe MIB 1 Superbit is equally good.

The point is that even if Fifth Element Superbit is a relatively old disc, I still find it to be THE reference material.

Of course there may be some SD disc out there which is way better but I haven't seen it yet.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 07, 2008 at 02:37 AM
Paul, I still buy a lot more SD titles than BD or HD. I havent found an SD disc which is CLEARLY better than Fifth Element Superbit. Maybe MIB 1 Superbit is equally good.

The point is that even if Fifth Element Superbit is a relatively old disc, I still find it to be THE reference material.

Of course there may be some SD disc out there which is way better but I haven't seen it yet.  :)

Yup, I agree Fifth Element Superbit is still one of the TOP reference DVDs. No doubt about that. ;)

However, not all movies nowdays are released in "Superbit" format. For the benefit of those who are sitting on the SD fence, I'm just curious how the "recent" SD movies PQ as Atty barrister suggested earlier esp those discs came from the same high def master hence not much difference btw SD vs HD. Also, some members say the SD PQ nowdays are much better than before (probably near Superbit quality?) thus, there's no urgency to migrate to HD yet as in atty barrister & MAtZTER's case .  ;D

Perhaps to be fair to both SD & BD, we shouldn't just select the best SD discs to compare to HD...I'm sure the difference will certainly won't be that big. This will reinforce SD supporters' stand.  ;D Probably it's best to select randomly SD samples from recent releases. e.g. If 7 out 10 SD DVDs tested PQ are "near HD" or "pretty good" then there's really no hurry to go HD.... otherwise it's justified to convert to HD or is it?? ;D 

So hopefully Mark will be able to shed some light for us. :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 07, 2008 at 05:27 AM
Few weeks ago or last month, I bought the What sound and vision magazine and there is an sd vs hidef comparison. 3 judges. They were using the 50 inch pioneer kuro and Marantz dvd 7001 ata. ( I have to go look for the magazine again in my bookshelf and maybe I can scan and post it here? ) I'm still busy now with my newborn baby,  :) but will find time. Anyway the result was 2 out of 3 of the judges say diff is small or not much. They could be bias, I really don't know if we should take their word for it. This magazine has some issues with their rating I think. But I think on the big screen like those projectors you can really see a big difference. When I was at streetsmarts place during the EB, I clearly saw the diff when playing both the Fifth element Superbit and BD. Sharper talaga bd..Even the sound I can hear the diff, much sharper din. This again is where I think the "good enough" phrase comes in. In 50 inch and below, which most of the people own, How big is the diff between BD and a great dvd player like the newly affordable 983?

By the way they were using training day with Denzel Washington as reference
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 07, 2008 at 09:04 AM
I'm still busy now with my newborn baby

Uy! May baby ka na!! Congrats!  :) :)

Cigars ba or chocolates ang pamigay mo?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 07, 2008 at 09:05 AM
Yup, I agree Fifth Element Superbit is still one of the TOP reference DVDs. No doubt about that. ;)

However, not all movies nowdays are released in "Superbit" format. For the benefit of those who are sitting on the SD fence, I'm just curious how the "recent" SD movies PQ as Atty barrister suggested earlier esp those discs came from the same high def master hence not much difference btw SD vs HD. Also, some members say the SD PQ nowdays are much better than before (probably near Superbit quality?) thus, there's no urgency to migrate to HD yet as in atty barrister & MAtZTER's case .  ;D

Perhaps to be fair to both SD & BD, we shouldn't just select the best SD discs to compare to HD...I'm sure the difference will certainly won't be that big. This will reinforce SD supporters' stand.  ;D Probably it's best to select randomly SD samples from recent releases. e.g. If 7 out 10 SD DVDs tested PQ are "near HD" or "pretty good" then there's really no hurry to go HD.... otherwise it's justified to convert to HD or is it?? ;D 

So hopefully Mark will be able to shed some light for us. :)

Now, I understand your point, Paul. This is getting very complicated!  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 07, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Uy! May baby ka na!! Congrats!  :) :)

Cigars ba or chocolates ang pamigay mo?

hehe..thanks baby girl, chocolates nalang. Will bring to the shootout hehe..Invited ako ha.  ;D..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 07, 2008 at 12:39 PM
However, not all movies nowdays are released in "Superbit" format. For the benefit of those who are sitting on the SD fence, I'm just curious how the "recent" SD movies PQ as Atty barrister suggested earlier esp those discs came from the same high def master hence not much difference btw SD vs HD. Also, some members say the SD PQ nowdays are much better than before (probably near Superbit quality?) thus, there's no urgency to migrate to HD yet as in atty barrister & MAtZTER's case .  ;D


Actually, Superbit is yesterday's gimmick.

I've been itching to post something about Superbit for the longest time, I just didn't know where to post it.  This may be slightly OT, but I guess this would be a good time to discuss it, since we're discussing how the quality of the SD DVD can affect the upscaling performance of the Oppo.  


=========================================================


The maximum peak bitrate for SD DVD is 9.8 Mbps.

Professionally encoded DVDs, which comply with proper DVD specs, have a very safe average bitrate of 4 to 5 Mbps for relatively static content; and, to avoid pixellation, a maximum average bitrate of 7 to 8 Mbps for high-action content.

Encoding at rates higher than those specifications results in lower compatibility with various players, and increases likelihood of buffer underruns.

DVD specifications from mpeg.org: http://www.mpeg.org/MPEG/DVD/Book_B/Video.html

According to this site: http://people.csail.mit.edu/tbuehler/video/MPEG-2.html, a major concern is that high bitrate encodings sometimes result in juddering/stuttering and skipping. To avoid this, a maximum average video bitrate of 7 Mbps is recommended; or up to 8 Mbps for high-action content.

When DVD was introduced, the early encodings had an average bitrate of about 3 to 5 Mbps.

Columbia TriStar Home Video, a division of Sony, introduced a premium DVD brand, and called it "Superbit".  Since the DVD standard can handle up to 8Mbps,  Superbit DVDs improve picture quality over a standard DVD edition feature by increasing the bitrate of the encoded video to a safe maximum average bitrate of 7 Mbps.  Audio formats of both Dolby Digital and DTS 5.1 were made mandatory on Superbit titles.

According to Superbit, their DVDs are encoded at a bitrate approximately twice as high (6-7 Mbit/s) as standard DVDs, which helps minimize artifacts caused by video compression and allow the image to be pre-filtered less prior to compression, which results in more detail. To maximize space for the main feature, static menus are used and commentary tracks are removed.

The high bitrate slightly improved picture quality; however, the complaint against Superbit was the lack of special features. 

Soon thereafter, titles such as "Gladiator" showed Superbit how it should be done.  Universal released Gladiator in a 2-disc DVD with a healthy bitrate, with both DD and DTS, and with a load of special features.  Other studios followed with their own 2-disc versions. 

Superbit slowly became irrelevant.  Other studios can release multiple-disc versions with 8 Mbps bitrates, with DD and DTS soundtracks and special features.  What's so great about Superbit with 8 Mbps bitrate and no special features?  They can't go higher than 8Mbps without causing playback problems on existing DVD players, so they're stuck with a spec that no longer commands a premium.

Realizing their irrelevance, the Superbit line followed up with Superbit Deluxe, which bundled a Superbit-quality feature with a second disc containing the special features.

What's so great about that?  Other studios had already been doing the same, and without the Superbit price tag premium.  Today, 8 Mbps bitrates or slightly higher are common for new releases of regular SD DVDs.

Finally realizing that they can no longer charge a premium for something that other studios can do at regular prices, Sony Pictures discontinued the Superbit line on January 18, 2007.
 
Sony officially drops Superbit line
Brand was an 'interim bridge' toward high-defintion Blu-ray Disc
By Susanne Ault -- Video Business, 1/18/2007

JAN. 18 | Sony Pictures Home Entertainment has retired its Superbit line in order to promote its Blu-ray Disc format.

The studio’s last produced new Superbit disc was the April 2005 release of theatrical circus series Cirque du Soleil.


http://www.videobusiness.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA6408427


When they dropped the Superbit, Sony's official line was, “It was always an interim bridge strategy to get people excited about what high-def would be looking like in 2006 and 2007”.  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 07, 2008 at 01:50 PM
Nice and informative!

If we don't use Fifth Element Superbit, which titles do we use for comparing SD and BD?

I have "The Patriot" and "2001" in both formats. However, the SD versions aren't really new.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 07, 2008 at 01:52 PM
hehe..thanks baby girl, chocolates nalang. Will bring to the shootout hehe..Invited ako ha.  ;D..

Sige. Deal. Yung mahal na chocolate, ha!  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 07, 2008 at 02:33 PM
If we don't use Fifth Element Superbit, which titles do we use for comparing SD and BD?

Fifth Element Superbit vs Blu-ray is good.  I'm very much in favor of it, even if it's an old title.  In fact, the advantage of an old title is that the judges are likely to be already very familiar with the scenes.

What I don't like is the impression that the best DVD encodings are found on Superbit titles.  That may have been true in the early days of the format, but it's definitely not true anymore.

That's why I posted this:

You might also want to check the SD DVD's average bitrate using:

DVD Bit Rate Viewer (for PC): http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Other-VIDEO-Tools/DVD-Bit-Rate-Viewer.shtml
MacDVDBitrateParanoia (for Mac): http://web.mac.com/altero/altero/Soft_EN.html

to convince other members that the bitrates of Superbit titles are no better than the bitrates of new non-Superbit SD releases.  Thus, the name "Superbit" has become laughable today ---- there's certainly nothing "super" about its "bits" anymore  :D.

Other suggested titles might be useful for those with high end upscalers who want to compare using their own setups.  A good rule of thumb is to choose titles released in both formats simultaneously, since it's likely that they were encoded from the same master.

Examples:

Ratatouille                  - SD Nov. 6, 2007; BD  Nov. 6, 2007;
300                           - SD Jul. 31, 2007; BD Jul 31, 2007;
I am Legend                - SD Mar. 18, 2008; BD Mar. 18, 2008;
Pirates of the Carrib. 3  - SD Dec. 4, 2007; BD Dec. 4, 2007;
Troy Director's Cut       - SD Sep. 18, 2007; BD Sep. 18, 2007.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 07, 2008 at 02:39 PM
Sige. Deal. Yung mahal na chocolate, ha!  ;D

hehe sure..I might have some discs na SD and Bluray..I have Independence day (the five star collection ata that came out years years ago). On another note, I think we should just use regular sd's  comparing to blu bec we want to find out how big is the difference between the two in real world situation meaning the hibit dvds or great master dvds like the I am legend dvd mentioned above are not common among other dvd titles. I may be wrong here tho.. The real good quality or great copy sd's are only a limited few which won't be a big factor comparing to bluray in the real world imo..

We can compare maybe the following:
Region 1 or 3 sddvd versus blu
Pirates Carribean series
Training day
Casino Royale
Ratatouille
and think of a title that is just 3 star or lower in blu in hidefdigest. I can't think one off hand ;D

DVD performance wise I  have Lord of the rings twin towers extended. If you guys don't have this let me know, I will bring it. PQ is great on this imo ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on Jun 07, 2008 at 03:05 PM
Mukhang naging complicated na issues mga kapatid. May I suggest something? Since this is strictly a "DVD players standoff", why don't you just simply compare connect all these players on a full hd plasma or lcd using a not so popularly known PQ movie like "Superman returns" Whatever player brings out the best in its crappy PQ wins. I think it would be best if its that simple. IMHO  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 07, 2008 at 03:10 PM
 :D Korek!

Umpisahan na!  Hindi na pinagtatagal yan!!!  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 07, 2008 at 04:04 PM
Mukhang naging complicated na issues mga kapatid. May I suggest something? Since this is strictly a "DVD players standoff", why don't you just simply compare connect all these players on a full hd plasma or lcd using a not so popularly known PQ movie like "Superman returns" Whatever player brings out the best in its crappy PQ wins. I think it would be best if its that simple. IMHO  ;)

That's true, but I think the bd vs. sd goes hand in hand here, while the 983 is there for comparison hehe... It will be time consuming but we can take the winner of the shootout or just the 983 and compare it to bluray towards the end and let all the judges see how big the difference is. We can then determine the following: Of course bd vs. sd will just be the opinion of those who are there but at least we will have an idea.
1. Winner, the best dvd in the shootout
2. How big is the difference between the winner and bluray
3. For those waiting for bluray prices to come down or don't want to jump in yet. Which player is the closest to hd quality?

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 07, 2008 at 04:23 PM
Well, iniiwasan lang natin na may magsabing defective daw ang shootout. 

Two parts kasi ang testing.

Part 1 is the SD upscaling shootout, no Blu-ray involved.  Tapos na tayo sa parameters nito.

Part 2 is the SD vs. Blu-ray, which will attempt to answer just how good Blu-ray really is when compared to a well-mastered SD DVD. We're attempting to define the parameters on this one.

We expect Blu-ray to perform better.  But if the SD DVD is a poorly-encoded old release, then the comparison is unfair.  Will the results be closer if we used a newly-remastered SD, or a new release of a new movie?  If so, which SD title should we use?  That's what we're finalizing here.

Pero sa totoo lang, naiinip na rin ako ...  ;D

 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 07, 2008 at 05:49 PM
Well, iniiwasan lang natin na may magsabing defective daw ang shootout. 

Two parts kasi ang testing.

Part 1 is the SD upscaling shootout, no Blu-ray involved.  Tapos na tayo sa parameters nito.

Part 2 is the SD vs. Blu-ray, which will attempt to answer just how good Blu-ray really is when compared to a well-mastered SD DVD. We're attempting to define the parameters on this one.

We expect Blu-ray to perform better.  But if the SD DVD is a poorly-encoded old release, then the comparison is unfair.  Will the results be closer if we used a newly-remastered SD, or a new release of a new movie?  If so, which SD title should we use?  That's what we're finalizing here.

Pero sa totoo lang, naiinip na rin ako ...  ;D

 

Wala pa ang Oppo 983 ni Paul. Meron lang si Oreoshake, e nasa Davao naman sya.  ;D ;D

Di ko pa maisip paano gawin ang SD-BD comparison. I am thinking of using only one parameter and that would be detail. Other parameters kasi (contrast ratio, color accuracy) may be influenced by other factors such as the players and the projector.

Play a 5-minute scene?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: frootloops on Jun 07, 2008 at 07:48 PM
I will wait for this shootout, or better yet join,  then decide wether to get the 983 or not. Kasi the reason for my previous question on the ratio of DVD's that will be satisfying on this player is, lets say I have 50 SD's, and only 10 of them will be convincing since the rest are just standard releases..sayang lang. What more if you have hundreds.  :-\

I suggest to get good quality (unlike those high bitrates) normal title DVD's which most people has, then compare. Kasi from my understanding (correct me if Im wrong), this shootout is to determine wether the 983 will be at par or just even be close to BD in PQ in terms of upscaling. Do you think getting a high bitrate/Superbit titles would be fair? Parang may konting daya na kasi.  ::) or how about picking up a title at random (first), then do the high bitrates/Superbits later.  :)

Salamat po.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 07, 2008 at 08:20 PM
Wala pa ang Oppo 983 ni Paul. Meron lang si Oreoshake, e nasa Davao naman sya.  ;D ;D

Ganun ba? 

Ok lang sir, intay intay na lang.  Malapit na naman yung kay sir Paul.

Anyway, we can use the time to finalize testing methods.


Di ko pa maisip paano gawin ang SD-BD comparison. I am thinking of using only one parameter and that would be detail. Other parameters kasi (contrast ratio, color accuracy) may be influenced by other factors such as the players and the projector.

Play a 5-minute scene?

Yes, just choose a scene, play the same scene on both formats, then score with the same criteria used for the upscaling shootout. 


Do you think getting a high bitrate/Superbit titles would be fair? Parang may konting daya na kasi.  ::) or how about picking up a title at random (first), then do the high bitrates/Superbits later.  :)


If BD is compared with a poorly mastered DVD, we already know that the result will be a night and day difference in favor of BD, so why bother?

If BD is compared with some of the best DVDs presently available, we still know that BD will be better, but we want to know just how much better BD is going to be.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: frootloops on Jun 07, 2008 at 08:56 PM
If BD is compared with a poorly mastered DVD, we already know that the result will be a night and day difference in favor of BD, so why bother?

If BD is compared with some of the best DVDs presently available, we still know that BD will be better, but we want to know just how much better BD is going to be.


Definitely we should not consider the poorly mastered DVD, the Ratatouille you mentioned would be a good referrence. Now I will just wait and see the difference in ratio, kung mga 70-80% close  ::) , pwedeng pwede na.  many thanks sir barrister. 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 07, 2008 at 09:33 PM
That's right, Ratatouille is an amazing piece of work.  Image Depth (3D effect) is a marvel of animation done right.

And don't think animation demos are just gimmicks for appliance store showrooms.  They are in fact very good test materials because they have a tendency to show not only the best capabilities but also the worst flaws of players, display devices and compression methods, if you know what to look for.

Animation traditionally has highly saturated colors.  Ironically, it is precisely the high saturation in animation that causes its video flaws to be more obvious.

For example, Pixar's Cars has very good picture quality, but there's still a compression flaw ---- look for posterization.  It's hard to find, but it's there.

Chroma Upsampling Error, also known as "Chroma Bug" or "CUE", is also easier to detect in animated features.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_2/dvd-benchmark-special-report-chroma-bug-4-2001.html



Now I will just wait and see the difference in ratio, kung mga 70-80% close  ::) , pwedeng pwede na. 

I'm anxiously awaiting the official results.  Picture quality might be very close, depending on the viewing distance.

About The Fifth Element Superbit vs remastered BD, sir Matz had this to say:

This is a good test, it was a bit difficult for me to spot the difference at streetsmart's setup.

The results might yet surprise us ....  ;) 8)


Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 07, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Definitely we should not consider the poorly mastered DVD, the Ratatouille you mentioned would be a good referrence. Now I will just wait and see the difference in ratio, kung mga 70-80% close  ::) , pwedeng pwede na.  many thanks sir barrister. 

I have the BD of Ratatouille. We need someone to bring the SD version.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 07, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Other suggested titles might be useful for those with high end upscalers who want to compare using their own setups.  A good rule of thumb is to choose titles released in both formats simultaneously, since it's likely that they were encoded from the same master.

Examples:
Ratatouille                  - SD Nov. 6, 2007; BD  Nov. 6, 2007;
300                           - SD Jul. 31, 2007; BD Jul 31, 2007;
I am Legend                - SD Mar. 18, 2008; BD Mar. 18, 2008;
Pirates of the Carrib. 3  - SD Dec. 4, 2007; BD Dec. 4, 2007;
Troy Director's Cut       - SD Sep. 18, 2007; BD Sep. 18, 2007.

Good suggestion here. I have the following BD: I am Legend & Pirates of the Carrib 3.

Hope someone has the SD copies. :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 08, 2008 at 12:02 PM
I have "The Patriot" and "2001" in both formats. However, the SD versions aren't really new.


2001 would be good, as long as the SD is the 2-disc version. 

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51jYA7Mv32L._SL160_AA115_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51jSu1isHUL._SL160_AA115_.jpg)
    BD                   SD 2-disc

2001 was released simultaneously on SD, BD and HD DVD on Oct. 23, 2007. 




The Patriot might not be good. 

The SD closest to the BD version should be the latest Unrated Extended SD.  Internet reviewers say that the latest SD is a new print, not just the same Superbit version plus additional scenes. 

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bBZtUoegL._SL160_AA115_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TiXRZCo7L._SL160_AA115_.jpg)
   BD                    SD Unrated Extended

But the 2 formats were released 1 year apart (BD July 3, 2007; SD Unrated Extended April 25, 2006), so I'm worried that the SD and BD might not match. 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 08, 2008 at 12:40 PM
..I might have some discs na SD and Bluray..I have Independence day (the five star collection ata that came out years years ago).


Now there's another reason why the SD vs BD shootout is important.

The new SD versions of ID4 have the extended cut.  The BD version only has the theatrical cut.

If you prefer the extended cut, will your present SD player be good enough, or would you rather get a high end upscaler? 

Or would you rather wait for an ID4 Extended Cut on BD?  You know they released the BD as a theatrical-cut because they wanted you to double dip on another BD release, right?  ;)
   
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 08, 2008 at 07:13 PM
I just tested my SD versions of "2001" and "The Patriot." Both are pretty dated and it shows in the pq. Compared to BD, its like night and day. This is even after doing the best possible tweaks on my video processor. I was actually pretty surprised at how good the BD versions were.  ;D ;D

I think that barrister is right - in order to have a fair comparison, the SD versions must be pretty recent. We should consider that BD is less than 2 years old so its unfair to compare it to a 7-year old SD.

Ergo, so far, the only good SD vs BD comparison is "Fifth Element."
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 09, 2008 at 12:39 AM
I tested the Independence day sd last night comparing it on the pioneer dv600 vs the toshiba a35. The a35 is really sharper and has a cleaner picture. No contest talaga, like I stated/observed before. Just based on this player alone it is already a worthy/magnificent upgrade viewing on my 46 inch lcd. (Thats just me).. I think this has the abt chip also like the 983. The 983 is way better pa so I'm already concluding hehe that the 983 is a "no brainer" purchase ;D..I wanna get this already  ;D Even on old dvd copies they already look pretty good on my a35, mas lalo the new copies. Now if toshiba can do better with their so called super upconvert I might just go for this until blu discs prices and standalones come down some more. I'm waiting now to see which is better 983 or the super upconvert coming soon.  ;D..This shootout you guys will do is an excellent test for all of us. (more eyes than just one) By the way I did not compare it to the ps3 bec I really use that for BD and games. If its better than the 983 I will still get a standalone dvd player bec I'm conserving the lens of my ps3 hehe. I don't think I wanna buy another ps3 just for dvd viewing, I also want all region player.

I already compared the Independence day bluray and the sd. I have to say its really no match. Close up on the actors/actresses faces look really good on SD but on far shots, buildings, scenery etc. It's really no match. So like you guys say, it might not be fair to compare old copies to the blurays. But to me the improvement already using my a35 is already significant, although I wouldn't know how much better pa if I compared it to the hiend Denon or Marantz. But this abt chip really looks magnificent. Maybe reon is better, I wouldn't know. I don't have one of those players hehe.. How I wish I have ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 10, 2008 at 08:28 AM
Here's a summary comparison chart of all three OPPO players (DV-983H, DV-981HD and DV-980H) for those who who are thinking which model to get.

http://www.oppodigital.com/dv980h/dv980h_comp.asp

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 10, 2008 at 09:31 AM
Paul, when is your Oppo 983 arriving? I sense that people are getting impatient.  ;D

Do you have BD or HD versions of Kingkong, Batman Begins or MI3? I have the SD versions and they are pretty good. These could be used for comparisons.

I also have the SD and HD versions of "300" but I doubt if that is a good film to use for comparisons cuz the contrast is purposely too high. Also purposely grainy.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 10, 2008 at 09:43 AM
Paul, when is your Oppo 983 arriving? I sense that people are getting impatient.  ;D

Do you have BD or HD versions of Kingkong, Batman Begins or MI3? I have the SD versions and they are pretty good. These could be used for comparisons.

I also have the SD and HD versions of "300" but I doubt if that is a good film to use for comparisons cuz the contrast is purposely too high. Also purposely grainy.

Hopefully today or tomorrow JAC will notify me....I'm already tired of waiting na..hay! :-[

Yes, I have Kingkong, Batman Begins & MI3 (all in HD DVD). All these movies have great PQ. :)

Agree on the 300. The film is intentionally filled with sepia-toned hue for artistic purpose thus will be hard to compare.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 10, 2008 at 09:53 AM
Hopefully today or tomorrow JAC will notify me....I'm already tired of waiting na..hay! :-[

Yes, I have Kingkong, Batman Begins & MI3 (all in HD DVD). All these movies have great PQ. :)

Agree on the 300. The film is intentionally filled with sepia-toned hue for artistic purpose thus will be hard to compare.

Ok. Even if those titles are in HD-DVD, I think that the comparison will still be valid. Anyhow, everyone says that BD and HD pq are exactly the same.

Let's wait for your Oppo 983.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 11, 2008 at 08:01 PM
I tried to find professional SD vs BD comparisons on the web. 

Surpisingly, they're very hard to find.  The pros don't seem to be interested.

So far, this is the best I can come up with:



Blu-ray porn: first-hand comparison to DVD
Candy Hudson
11 June 2008, 3:33 PM

My mission – which I’m starting to regret choosing to accept – is to compare and contrast the normal DVD version of the big-budget X-rated porn movie Pirates with the new 1080p version on Blu-ray disc.

xxx

... To triple check, I then call on a senior APCmag.com staff member who thought 1080p porn on Blu-ray would be such a hit, it would accelerate a wider adoption of the technology. In what has to rank as one of the more embarrassing moments of my journalistic career, I show him the two versions of the review scene and ask him to guess which is which.

After wrongly identifying the DVD as the 1080p Blu-ray, he is forced to agree that this technology appears to be a dud, at least when it comes to the picture quality of films in which grown she-pirates think it’s big and clever to double as candle stick holders.


http://apcmag.com/worlds_first_bluray_porno_firsthand_road_test.htm


Pirates BD is encoded in 1080p via AVC.

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 11, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Hay...after the long anxiety, finally I got my Oppo 983 today! :D

Haven't set it up yet as I just got home from work....will take a rest first. :)

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: audiojunkie on Jun 11, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Hay...after the long anxiety, finally I got my Oppo 983 today! :D

Haven't set it up yet as I just got home from work....will take a rest first. :)

sir Paul, congratz!....  ;D  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 11, 2008 at 11:16 PM

Congrats! 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 12, 2008 at 07:16 AM
Blu-ray porn: first-hand comparison to DVD
Candy Hudson
11 June 2008, 3:33 PM

My mission – which I’m starting to regret choosing to accept – is to compare and contrast the normal DVD version of the big-budget X-rated porn movie Pirates with the new 1080p version on Blu-ray disc.

xxx

... To triple check, I then call on a senior APCmag.com staff member who thought 1080p porn on Blu-ray would be such a hit, it would accelerate a wider adoption of the technology. In what has to rank as one of the more embarrassing moments of my journalistic career, I show him the two versions of the review scene and ask him to guess which is which.

After wrongly identifying the DVD as the 1080p Blu-ray, he is forced to agree that this technology appears to be a dud, at least when it comes to the picture quality of films in which grown she-pirates think it’s big and clever to double as candle stick holders.


http://apcmag.com/worlds_first_bluray_porno_firsthand_road_test.htm


Pirates BD is encoded in 1080p via AVC.



@barrister,

This is great information! I will order this from the States and tell my wife that you recommended it, for purely professional purposes.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 12, 2008 at 07:17 AM
Hay...after the long anxiety, finally I got my Oppo 983 today! :D

Haven't set it up yet as I just got home from work....will take a rest first. :)



Hehe. Finally! We can now get serious about the shoot-out details.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 12, 2008 at 07:49 AM
Congrats Paul, pls let us know you initial review on pq. Thanks
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 12, 2008 at 08:13 AM
Thanks guy, will let you know soon. :)

This is great information! I will order this from the States and tell my wife that you recommended it, for purely professional purposes.  ;D

Oh yeah...I strongly agree...the reviewer watched it in his Panasonic plasma 42" display (1024x768p) so probably it's hard to sport the difference.  :P

Hence, this will be awesome watching it in your gigantic 120" screen Mark! ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 12, 2008 at 10:04 AM
@barrister,

This is great information! I will order this from the States and tell my wife that you recommended it, for purely professional purposes.  ;D

 ;D Tell her I recommended Pirates of the Caribbean, but you ordered Pirates XXX by mistake  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 13, 2008 at 03:18 AM
;D Tell her I recommended Pirates of the Caribbean, but you ordered Pirates XXX by mistake  ;D

Yeah...put the blame on the supplier/seller...they gave/sent you the wrong disc! ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 13, 2008 at 12:58 PM
For those who are considering to purchase this Oppo 983 player & have it shipped via JAC the costing is as follow (pls use this as a reference only):

Oppo player $400 > P18,000 (using $1 = P45)
Weight: 10 lbs x $6 = $60 > P2,700
Handling fee: $5 > P225

Total payment: P18,000 (OPPO) + P2,925 (JAC) = P20, 925  :)

*If you plan to order, don't wait too long as our Peso value is depreciating :-[
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 13, 2008 at 01:04 PM
This morning before I left for work, I did a quick test using the HQV benchmark disc. Initial result is very encouranging except the noise scene which is not as good as in the PS3.

However, this weekend I shall do a proper setup/calibration on the player & do some more testing esp SD vs HD comparison. :) Hopefully by Monday, we could do a preliminary testing at Mark's HT!  ;)

*Btw, I love the box packaging where the player is nicely stored inside the box with a black cover. I love the player slim & slick design. Opening all the cable freebies were fun. ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 13, 2008 at 01:26 PM
This morning before I left for work, I did a quick test using the HQV benchmark disc. Result is very encouranging except the noise scene which is not as good as in the PS3.

However, this weekend I shall do a proper setup/calibration on the player & do some more testing esp SD vs HD comparison. :) Hopefully by Monday, we could do a preliminary testing at Mark's HT!  ;)

*Btw, I love the box packaging where the player is nicely stored inside the box with a black cover. I love the player slim & slick design. Opening all the cable freebies were fun. ;D

Sounds exciting and fun!  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: STRIKER on Jun 13, 2008 at 05:38 PM
For those who are considering to purchase this Oppo 983 player & have it shipped via JAC the costing is as follow (pls use this as a reference only):

Oppo player $400 > P18,000 (using $1 = P45)
Weight: 10 lbs x $6 = $60 > P2,700
Handling fee: $5 > P225

Total payment: P18,000 (OPPO) + P2,925 (JAC) = P20, 925  :)

*If you plan to order, don't wait too long as our Peso value is depreciating :-[


sir, saan mo binili 983 mo?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 13, 2008 at 05:42 PM
sir, saan mo binili 983 mo?

Refer to first post 

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 16, 2008 at 09:33 AM
I'm very satisfied & happy with OPPO 983. It beats the crap out of my two SONY upscalled players! :D

Depending on the video source, this 983 makes SD DVDs look better than they ever have before, and I believe it will be a significant difference esp on a BIG screen. As long as you're not hung up on the price, you don't own an expensive external video processor & you're looking for the best picture quality for your huge SD DVD library- this 983 is the solution! :)

Also the 983 is an universal player. The SACD playback is great.

I agree the OPPO 983 isn't going to produce as good an image with SD as BD can. However, as reported by other forum members the 983 will produce a much better image with SD than any BD player currently on the market. There are still quite a few movies that are not on Blu-ray such as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, etc. Any of those movies will look much better in the 983.

I will certainly keep both PS3 & 983 on my A/V rack, with the PS3 primarily for Blu-ray, and the 983 for the rest of round discs. :)  (oh...I almost forgot about my Tosh A35)  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Paul, the test will be very interesting. I am still not sure about the format. The problem has been the HDMI hand-shaking. We will need to sit down to decide on the final procedures. I am thinking of using component cables instead and maybe go direct from the Denon 2808 to the pj. No more VP50 unless we do a comparison between it and the Oppo 983 (which would be very interesting).
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 16, 2008 at 10:37 AM
Noted Mark, yup we need to meet up soon to discuss further on the test format. Yes, the HDMI hand-shaking is a constant problem. Sometimes my 983 & Yamaha AVR are having problem but luckily there's a way to work around it.  :)

Mark, perhaps we could use my HDMI  "5 in 1" switcher? All the HDMI cables from various players (up to five players) will connect into the HDMI switcher box & pass tru your Denon 2808 to your PJ.

So far I have tested up to four (4) players (983, A35, PS3 & Pioneer) all connected simultaneously into the HDMI switcher & pass tru my Yammy AVR without any problem. :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jun 17, 2008 at 12:21 PM
I think I will be a good blind tester for this SD vs HD shootout.
since I only have a Tosh HD-A2 which can only go up to 720p/1080i.

And I do have a BD player yet.

I'll even get to learn more pa
;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 17, 2008 at 12:36 PM
I think I will be a good blind tester for this SD vs HD shootout.
since I only have a Tosh HD-A2 which can only go up to 720p/1080i.

And I do have a BD player yet.

I'll even get to learn more pa
;D

Good!  :)

Shoot-out/Testing should be tentatively on Saturday, 28 June, at 2 pm sa place ko. Better to come at 2 pm but you can come anytime na rin up to 6 pm siguro.

At the moment, this will be open invitation to anyone who wants to join. Just send me a PM. Admission fee will be a bottle of red wine or pulutan. No admission fee for female members.  :)

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 17, 2008 at 02:26 PM
I think I will be a good blind tester for this SD vs HD shootout.

Good to hear that juancho. Hope you will be able to join us. :)

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Full HD 3D on Jun 17, 2008 at 03:27 PM
No admission fee for female members.  :)Does this include the 3rd sex?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 17, 2008 at 03:31 PM
No admission fee for female members.  :)Does this include the 3rd sex?


Kung 3rd sex, admission is one lechon baka.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on Jun 18, 2008 at 12:27 AM
http://www.prillaman.net/oppo983_review.html

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: frootloops on Jun 18, 2008 at 12:35 AM
http://www.prillaman.net/oppo983_review.html



Thanks for the link bro, very informative and helpful.  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: leomar on Jun 18, 2008 at 10:32 AM
maganda pala ung Pirates XXX hihihi
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 18, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Kung 3rd sex, admission is one lechon baka.  ;D

I'm coming! I'm coming!  ;D :D

for the lechon baka ha...! not the other one. ;D :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 19, 2008 at 08:42 AM
I purchased a few "recent" various local released DVDs (Universal, Dreamworks, Lionsgate, etc) for testing purpose. PQ is very inconsistent with VIVA Video being the worst.  :-[ In future I will avoid this at all cost (tho the low price is tempting) ;D However, those with "Imported" stickers on them have much better quality.

Other suggested titles might be useful for those with high end upscalers who want to compare using their own setups.  A good rule of thumb is to choose titles released in both formats simultaneously, since it's likely that they were encoded from the same master.

Examples:

Ratatouille                  - SD Nov. 6, 2007; BD  Nov. 6, 2007;
300                           - SD Jul. 31, 2007; BD Jul 31, 2007;
I am Legend                - SD Mar. 18, 2008; BD Mar. 18, 2008;
Pirates of the Carrib. 3  - SD Dec. 4, 2007; BD Dec. 4, 2007;
Troy Director's Cut       - SD Sep. 18, 2007; BD Sep. 18, 2007.

I got I am Legend in both SD & BD. Atty barrister is correct as the title was released in both formats simultaneously (from the same master) hence the SD PQ is very impressive! Both discs even have the same chapters. Last night I brought this disc along to Mark's HT to do some preliminary test & wow on his giant screen...it looks marvelous. Almost HD na. :D

Will be interesting to see the actual SD vs HD blindtest. Mark has cooked up a few nice "surprises" for the participants... ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 19, 2008 at 09:45 AM
I purchased a few "recent" various local released DVDs (Universal, Dreamworks, Lionsgate, etc) for testing purpose. PQ is very inconsistent with VIVA Video being the worst.  :-[ In future I will avoid this at all cost (tho the low price is tempting) ;D However, those with "Imported" stickers on them have much better quality.

I got I am Legend in both SD & BD. Atty barrister is correct as the title was released in both formats simultaneously (from the same master) hence the SD PQ is very impressive! Both discs even have the same chapters. Last night I brought this disc along to Mark's HT to do some preliminary test & wow on his giant screen...it looks marvelous. Almost HD na. :D

Will be interesting to see the actual SD vs HD blindtest. Mark has cooked up a few nice "surprises" for the participants... ;D

Ya have to agree on all you said Pchin. The viva kinda suck nga. I noticed that too. However, the 275pesos viva Enchanted I bought that was priced at 750 before looked really good. I have to agree the one that says imported on the side is really good. I had a sneak peek hehe on this 983 thanks to Pchin, great hospitality. While playing some movies, I don't want to look at which player is playing just to see if I can tell which is HD. I have to tell you on some movies I was insecure to say which is which. I was SCARED to be wrong. ;D When you start looking at buildings and walls thats when you can tell its HD. On close ups on actors/actresses faces it is so close you can make a mistake on which is hd. So the big question. How how the carabao the below 3 1/2 star pq on these hddiscs. Is it worth the upgrade? Anyway the above is just my observation.

On another note, I  also brought my pioneer dv600 for testing there and I wasn't impressed. It also failed a lot of hqv test I think. I was having picture adjustment problem with this player bec I find it too dark on factory settings. So Pchin suggested to use thx optimizer on the player setting mismo. So when I got home I adjusted the player and I have to say it is really impressive, although it failed so much on the hqv at Pchin's place. What a difference calibration makes. I mentioned before that the a35 blows this player away. I tested some james bond ultimate edition again on this pioneer and it really impressed me. I may compare it again to the A35, or I will just let you guys compare in the shootout ;D with more eyes. Of course its hard with only one tv. The best is two tv side by side, same settings.

Lastly, what I can't figure out is on Pchin's hqv test disc, I think this pioneer did not do good on the jaggies test (pls confirm pchin, I can't remember). However, I recently bought a P....ted hqv hd test disc (Test contents are different from pchin's) and it did good on the jaggies ???. IM CONFUSED ;D Maybe I did something wrong or read it wrong.. Anyway just wanna share my experiences and I think its better its done on the shootout bec Im not really a pro like you guys on this. Im having hard time  just to use a calibration disc and all the technical language Im already confused ;D. This is just based on what I see on my tv. Anyway, I think on the big screen it will really show the big difference but the real market situation (mostly people own) is a 40 to 50 inch screen which I hope we can test these players on.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: mercury724 on Jun 19, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Ya have to agree on all you said Pchin. The viva kinda suck nga. I noticed that too. However, the 275pesos viva Enchanted I bought that was priced at 750 before looked really good. I have to agree the one that says imported on the side is really good. I had a sneak peek hehe on this 983 thanks to Pchin, great hospitality. While playing some movies, I don't want to look at which player is playing just to see if I can tell which is HD. I have to tell you on some movies I was insecure to say which is which. I was SCARED to be wrong. ;D When you start looking at buildings and walls thats when you can tell its HD. On close ups on actors/actresses faces it is so close you can make a mistake on which is hd. So the big question. How how the carabao the below 3 1/2 star pq on these hddiscs. Is it worth the upgrade? Anyway the above is just my observation.

On another note, I  also brought my pioneer dv600 for testing there and I wasn't impressed. It also failed a lot of hqv test I think. I was having picture adjustment problem with this player bec I find it too dark on factory settings. So Pchin suggested to use thx optimizer on the player setting mismo. So when I got home I adjusted the player and I have to say it is really impressive, although it failed so much on the hqv at Pchin's place. What a difference calibration makes. I mentioned before that the a35 blows this player away. I tested some james bond ultimate edition again on this pioneer and it really impressed me. I may compare it again to the A35, or I will just let you guys compare in the shootout ;D with more eyes. Of course its hard with only one tv. The best is two tv side by side, same settings.

Lastly, what I can't figure out is on Pchin's hqv test disc, I think this pioneer did not do good on the jaggies test (pls confirm pchin, I can't remember). However, I recently bought a P....ted hqv hd test disc (Test contents are different from pchin's) and it did good on the jaggies ???. IM CONFUSED ;D Maybe I did something wrong or read it wrong.. Anyway just wanna share my experiences and I think its better its done on the shootout bec Im not really a pro like you guys on this. Im having hard time  just to use a calibration disc and all the technical language Im already confused ;D. This is just based on what I see on my tv. Anyway, I think on the big screen it will really show the big difference but the real market situation (mostly people own) is a 40 to 50 inch screen which I hope we can test these players on.
hello moks007, decided ka na bumili ng oppo983? :D i tested the hqv that pchin gave to me nung saturday and to my surprise my pio dv400 failed in all the tests :( ;D and i did dropped by at the place where you got your pira** copy of hqv and i saw also that hqv but parang iba nga yung hqv na binebenta. the ones sold i think is for testing your displays and not the players, whereas paul's copy i think is for the testing of players. correct me paul if i'm wrong.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 19, 2008 at 10:55 AM
hello moks007, decided ka na bumili ng oppo983? :D i tested the hqv that pchin gave to me nung saturday and to my surprise my pio dv400 failed in all the tests :( ;D and i did dropped by at the place where you got your pira** copy of hqv and i saw also that hqv but parang iba nga yung hqv na binebenta. the ones sold i think is for testing your displays and not the players, whereas paul's copy i think is for the testing of players. correct me paul if i'm wrong.  :)

Hi mercury724, how are you? You left too early you missed Pchins pansit mirienda, It was really good. I wanna ask for the recipe is its home cooking or where he bought it hehe..Ya the one I bought says silicon optix hqv hd tests. Some of the tests are the same like Pchins. I don't know, this technical stuff Im not sure hehe. Ya I know nga the pioneer did not do well on these tests.  Thats why I really notice the A35 more detailed when Im watching my region 1 dvds its is really sharp. On the Pchins hqv the a35 did really well on the details test. We have to ask Paul  about these discs hehe..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 19, 2008 at 11:06 AM
I got I am Legend in both SD & BD. Atty barrister is correct as the title was released in both formats simultaneously (from the same master) hence the SD PQ is very impressive! Both discs even have the same chapters. Last night I brought this disc along to Mark's HT to do some preliminary test & wow on his giant screen...it looks marvelous. Almost HD na. :D

Will be interesting to see the actual SD vs HD blindtest. Mark has cooked up a few nice "surprises" for the participants... ;D

Hi Paul! Barrister is correct nga. "I am Legend" SD version is fantastic, even on a 120" screen. You will need eagle eyes to detect the difference.

Your HDMI switcher is also great so we can set up a lot of players for comparison purposes.

Regarding 120" vs. 50" screens, I think there is an important point here, which is that it really depends on your viewing distance. If you are seated far enough from a 120" screen, your ability to detect small differences in pq is really not that different from viewing a 50" screen close-up. My normal viewing distance is more than 20 feet from the screen so I feel the effect is quite similar to watching a 50" screen at, say 8 to 10 feet.

June 28 is shoot-out day!  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 19, 2008 at 11:18 AM
On another note, I  also brought my pioneer dv600 for testing there and I wasn't impressed. It also failed a lot of hqv test I think. I was having picture adjustment problem with this player bec I find it too dark on factory settings.

I wasnt impressed with my DV-600 when used on a big screen either. My problem was the "mosquito noise" was so evident even with my (then) receiver's faroudja scaler. I couldnt get rid of it despite changing the settings. I havent tried using it with my current receiver's HQV scaler due to that disappointment though.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 19, 2008 at 11:28 AM
I was initially worried that nobody would be interested in an SD vs BD comparison, but it has now become the most talked-about aspect of the upcoming shootout.

This shootout is shaping up to be one of those pinoydvd projects that can't be duplicated.

The first was the custom-made demo DVD set.  It was a voluminous set compiled by enthusiastic participants.  Others tried a part-2 set, but the follow-up project never got off the ground.

The second was the Dai-ichi DTX subwoofer group buy, where the participants successfully requested Dai-ichi to manufacture a batch of previously phased-out 15-inch subwoofers for the group.  There's an ongoing attempt to organize a DTX 4.15 group buy part 2, but there aren't enough participants this time.

It's likely that this project will never be duplicated in this forum.  That's why I'm rooting for the participants. 

But even in the unlikely event that it is duplicated, the first will always be the most memorable.  Just like the first man on the moon.  Even the kids know that the first man on the moon was Neil Armstrong, but few can cite the name of the second man on the moon (what was that guy's name again?  :D).   
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 19, 2008 at 12:01 PM
But even in the unlikely event that it is duplicated, the first will always be the most memorable. 

Ahh, I suddenly remember my first kiss, and my first ...  ;D

Quote
The first was the custom-made demo DVD set.  It was a voluminous set compiled by enthusiastic participants.  Others tried a part-2 set, but the follow-up project never got off the ground.

The part 3 of the Demo disk was the meanest & most successful compilation! It even caused so much stir & attacks from all directions, including racksr(not)us.  ;D

Anyway, sir Mark has shown me the demo when I went to his place months ago. This is a wonderful test & I would recommend people who are curious on the differences of SD to HD to attend this.

But pag may lechon baka, count me in... pa take home ha ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 19, 2008 at 12:06 PM
The part 3 of the Demo disk was the meanest & most successful compilation! It even caused so much stir & attacks from all directions, including racksr(not)us.  ;D

You mean there have already been 3 sets to date? I thought there was only one. 

Well, that just goes to show that the first is always the most memorable  ;D.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 19, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Yes, sir. The first one (3 disk) was made by sir bluray. the 2nd one by mheloy and the 3rd one by bluray again (7 disk uber compilation).

Just to clarify, the "no-copying" policy didnt come from me.  :) I sometimes get blamed for this. :(

Paging master Blu for a bluray demo disk!  ;)

Well, that just goes to show that the first is always the most memorable  ;D.

Ya, lalo na yung first...  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 19, 2008 at 12:32 PM
The part 3 of the Demo disk was the meanest & most successful compilation!

I totally agree! Everyone was so happy receiving their copy parang a kid getting his precious Christmas gift.  ;D


Just to clarify, the "no-copying" policy didnt come from me.  :) I sometimes get blamed for this. :(

O nga..I still remember the incident...kawawa si Mat.  :-\
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 19, 2008 at 01:04 PM
Your HDMI switcher is also great so we can set up a lot of players for comparison purposes.

June 28 is shoot-out day!  :)

Yup, up to 5 players at the same time! :)  June 28 is near na...one more week to go.  :D

However, I recently bought a P....ted hqv hd test disc (Test contents are different from pchin's) and it did good on the jaggies ???. IM CONFUSED ;D Maybe I did something wrong or read it wrong.

Maybe it's P....ted result hehe...joke lang  ;D I'll give you a copy of the HQV test next week at Mark's place Raymond. Hope you could make it. :)

the ones sold i think is for testing your displays and not the players, whereas paul's copy i think is for the testing of players. correct me paul if i'm wrong.  :)

The HQV that you got can test both your TV & DVD player scaler. :)

-To test the TV, set your player output to 480i.
-To test the player, set your player output to match your display resolution.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 19, 2008 at 01:23 PM
The first one (3 disk) was made by sir bluray. the 2nd one by mheloy and the 3rd one by bluray again (7 disk uber compilation).

I see.  I thought the 7-disc set was the one and only set.  That's the one that will be hard to do again.


Just to clarify, the "no-copying" policy didnt come from me.  :) I sometimes get blamed for this. :(

Tatanungin ko nga yung best friend mong si Emma Mao ...   ;)  Joke  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 19, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Idea naman ni Paul for the shoot-out is to test the following:

1. Oppo 983
2. Pio 600 or 696
3. Panasonic BD-30
4. Toshiba HD-A35
5. Toshiba HD-XA2 (kindly lent by Ernie)
6. Video processing of Denon 2808
7. Video processing of VP50Pro

We can accept other players but bring your own player.

Right now, our idea is to have 3 types of tests:

1. HQV benchmark test for SD playing
2. Blind SD vs BD test (2 minutes of same clip played with 2 different players). Identify which is BD, which is SD or give up ka
3. Guess if SD or BD (2-minute clip playing on unknown player). Identify if player is BD, SD or give up ka.

Suggestions are welcome.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 19, 2008 at 02:07 PM


Maybe it's P....ted result hehe...joke lang  ;D I'll give you a copy of the HQV test next week at Mark's place Raymond. Hope you could make it. :)


hehe..thats a good one hehe.. ;D ok thanks for the copy, I can't wait, wanna test my other players to compare. Ya wanna reserve na June 28 in my calendar ;D, I will also bring this p...ted hqv for you to check it out hehe. It should be similar but there are no details test ata
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 19, 2008 at 02:21 PM
Idea naman ni Paul for the shoot-out is to test the following:

1. Oppo 983
2. Pio 600 or 696
3. Panasonic BD-30
4. Toshiba HD-A35
5. Toshiba HD-XA2 (kindly lent by Ernie)
6. Video processing of Denon 2808
7. Video processing of VP50Pro

We can accept other players but bring your own player.

Right now, our idea is to have 3 types of tests:

1. HQV benchmark test for SD playing
2. Blind SD vs BD test (2 minutes of same clip played with 2 different players). Identify which is BD, which is SD or give up ka
3. Guess if SD or BD (2-minute clip playing on unknown player). Identify if player is BD, SD or give up ka.

Suggestions are welcome.

Wow xa2 is listed, that is awesome. Thanks sir Ernie
Sir question lang, what about like for example 983 vs xa2 or a35 vs. 983 etc etc. Standard vs. Standard only, will you guys do these comparisons? So we can tell  how big are the differences of these players SD wise? para to tell for example if one have a unit listed already if its worth the upgrade to the higher end units, or will you just test BD vs SD, on how big is the difference
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 19, 2008 at 02:25 PM
... Standard vs. Standard only, will you guys do these comparisons? So we can tell  how big are the differences of these players SD wise?

Yes, definitely.

The shootout was originally intended to test SD upscaling capabilities. The SD-BD challenge was added later as an afterthought.

Nevertheless, SD upscaling remains the primary objective of the shootout.

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 19, 2008 at 02:31 PM
Wow xa2 is listed, that is awesome. Thanks sir Ernie
Sir question lang, what about like for example 983 vs xa2 or a35 vs. 983 etc etc. Standard vs. Standard only, will you guys do these comparisons? So we can tell  how big are the differences of these players SD wise? para to tell for example if one have a unit listed already if its worth the upgrade to the higher end units, or will you just test BD vs SD, on how big is the difference

Ok but lets be practical about this. I think that most people would like Pio 600 vs Oppo 983 cuz most people have Pio 600 and are looking to upgrade.

Maybe A35 vs 983 would be interesting cuz I think a lot have the A35.

But I don't know if it would be useful to have XA2 vs any other player cuz very few people have the XA2 and its no longer in production.

Maybe Pio 600 using Denon 2808 video processing vs Oppo 983 would also be good.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 19, 2008 at 02:37 PM
Ok but lets be practical about this. I think that most people would like Pio 600 vs Oppo 983 cuz most people have Pio 600 and are looking to upgrade.

Maybe A35 vs 983 would be interesting cuz I think a lot have the A35.

But I don't know if it would be useful to have XA2 vs any other player cuz very few people have the XA2 and its no longer in production.

Maybe Pio 600 using Denon 2808 video processing vs Oppo 983 would also be good.

Ya correct, tama ka..Sorry made a mistake on the xa2, Your suggestions are good to me..Excited na..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 19, 2008 at 02:38 PM
Yes, definitely.

The shootout was originally intended to test SD upscaling capabilities. The SD-BD challenge was added later as an afterthought.

Nevertheless, SD upscaling remains the primary objective of the shootout.



ok hehe excited na..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jun 19, 2008 at 04:28 PM
I'm hyped up na talaga, I wanna see the Pio dv-600 vs Oppo 983  ;D

I wonder if the improvement is noticeable talaga  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Weng! on Jun 19, 2008 at 06:08 PM
me, i wanted to know the results of this comparo, "Pio 600 using Denon 2808 video processing vs Oppo 983". then i can decide if buying an oppo983 will justify dumping the pio dv600 ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: dyerds on Jun 19, 2008 at 10:04 PM
This is also very helpful to us pdvd members who are still undecided to go bd. Balitaan nyo na lang po kami.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: mercury724 on Jun 20, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Hi mercury724, how are you? You left too early you missed Pchins pansit mirienda, It was really good. I wanna ask for the recipe is its home cooking or where he bought it hehe..Ya the one I bought says silicon optix hqv hd tests. Some of the tests are the same like Pchins. I don't know, this technical stuff Im not sure hehe. Ya I know nga the pioneer did not do well on these tests.  Thats why I really notice the A35 more detailed when Im watching my region 1 dvds its is really sharp. On the Pchins hqv the a35 did really well on the details test. We have to ask Paul  about these discs hehe..
i'm good bro. :) oo nga eh sabi nga commander ni pchin why leaving so soon may pancit for mirienda...tsk tsk sayang natikman ko sana yung masarap na pancit  :) pero ok lang sa susunod pag nag invite uli si paul. hahahaha! ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: leomar on Jun 20, 2008 at 12:43 PM
isasama pa rin po ba ung PS3?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Jun 20, 2008 at 01:14 PM

Oo nga.  Maraming interesado sa PS3, pero bakit parang nawala na yata ito sa listahan ng players?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 20, 2008 at 01:33 PM
isasama pa rin po ba ung PS3?

Yes, we will include this. We will use the PS3 of Paul. Prelim testing shows it has one of the best pq for SD. Unfortunately, may region lock.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 20, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Mark, hope someone will be able to bring the PS3 along as I will be bringing the OPPO 983. It's quite bulky & heavy to carry both players at the same time...logistic problem.  ;D

isasama pa rin po ba ung PS3?

leomar, hope you could join us & bring along your PS3. Will be nice for comparison. :)

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: leomar on Jun 20, 2008 at 03:36 PM
leomar, hope you could join us & bring along your PS3. Will be nice for comparison. :)

I really really love to join this historic event sir, but distance, time and airfare don't allow me too.  :-\
Like to know din *sana* kung may differences ang Blu vs Blurip  ;D ;D     
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 20, 2008 at 03:44 PM
I really really love to join this historic event sir, but distance, time and airfare don't allow me too.  :-\
Like to know din *sana* kung may differences ang Blu vs Blurip  ;D ;D 

Ops...my bad! ;D Any other member that also own a PS3 & could participate in this event? :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 20, 2008 at 04:01 PM
Like to know din *sana* kung may differences ang Blu vs Blurip  ;D ;D     

Hehe. Yes, we will also test "Blurip."  ;D

I am sure na marami malilito dun.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: dyerds on Jun 20, 2008 at 04:33 PM
Like to know din *sana* kung may differences ang Blu vs Blurip  ;D ;D     

I would really like to know what would be the result on this.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Saxman on Jun 20, 2008 at 07:42 PM
Ops...my bad! ;D Any other member that also own a PS3 & could participate in this event? :)

hi paul,

i can bring my ps3 including the blu-ray player remote. if this will be on the 28th, i have to leave early but i can leave the ps3 with you.  i will just get it from your condo.

sir streetsmart,

is it ok if i invite myself?  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 20, 2008 at 11:42 PM
hi paul, i can bring my ps3 including the blu-ray player remote. if this will be on the 28th, i have to leave early but i can leave the ps3 with you.  i will just get it from your condo.

sir streetsmart, is it ok if i invite myself?  ;D 

Hi Dennis, I'm sure Mark wouldn't mind.  ;) Glad to hear you will be able to make it.

Thanks for the PS3 contribution.  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Philander on Jun 21, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Can I ask what is the brand and model and specs of the display panel to be used in the shootout?

Does it have a VGA input?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 21, 2008 at 08:37 AM
hi paul,

i can bring my ps3 including the blu-ray player remote. if this will be on the 28th, i have to leave early but i can leave the ps3 with you.  i will just get it from your condo.

sir streetsmart,

is it ok if i invite myself?  ;D


Hi Dennis. I sent you a PM invitation. Did you receive it?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 21, 2008 at 08:40 AM
Can I ask what is the brand and model and specs of the display panel to be used in the shootout?

Does it have a VGA input?

Sony VPL-VW100 3-chip 1080p SXRD projector. You can google it for the specs. It's very good.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: audiojunkie on Jun 21, 2008 at 01:25 PM
parang " Championship " sa Boxing ito, ah!... marami ang nag-aabang ng laban at kung sino ang mag-uuwi ng korona...  ::)  ;D

pwede ba " live sat feed " ang laban?...  8)  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: macdon on Jun 21, 2008 at 02:08 PM
Oks eto ah ;D

But wouldnt it be a bit unfair to compare the Pio dv600 to the Oppo 983? Layo din kasi ng price difference. But I'm sure it wouldnt hurt to test naman ;D

In my bedroom setup, I have a Pio dv600 connected to my 32" LCD and outside in the HT an Oppo 980 to our 42" Plasma......still, the Oppo is better, IMHO lang naman ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Saxman on Jun 21, 2008 at 02:50 PM
Hi Dennis. I sent you a PM invitation. Did you receive it?

hi sir mark!

received the PM invitation  ;D  i'll be there and will bring the ps3.  will also bring pansit palabok  :D

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 21, 2008 at 02:59 PM
hi sir mark!

received the PM invitation  ;D  i'll be there and will bring the ps3.  will also bring pansit palabok  :D



Very good!  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 21, 2008 at 05:29 PM
Here's the plan so far:

We have the ff. set-ups for testing:

1. Oppo 983
2. Pio 696
3. Pio 600
4. PS3
5. Panny BD30
6. Tosh HD-A35
7. Tosh HD-XA2
8. Pio 600 through Denon 2808
9. Pio 600 through VP50Pro
10. Oppo 981

In addition, we may also have the Oppo 980.

We will first run each player through the HQV benchmark test and get their individual scores.

Then, we will run 3 types of tests with the scoring for each as follows:

1. Poor (1 to 3 pts)
2. Satisfactory (4 to 7)
3. Excellent (8 to 10)

These points will be applied to the ff. criteria, which will be explained to everyone prior to the start:

1. Jaggies
2. Detail
3. Motion blur

The ff. are the 3 tests:

1. SD player vs. SD player (same SD material)
2. SD player vs. BD player (same film)
3. SD or BD player, playing a single clip (judges will have to conclude whether the player is "Definitely SD," "Definitely BD" or "Not sure."

Any suggestions?


Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: audiojunkie on Jun 21, 2008 at 05:45 PM
sa akin OK na ang game plan...  ;D  ;D  go,go na para magka-alaman...  ;D  :D   ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: audiojunkie on Jun 23, 2008 at 11:30 PM
ano kaya ang nangyari..... ::)  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: frootloops on Jun 23, 2008 at 11:35 PM
ano kaya ang nangyari..... ::)  ::)  ::)

June 28 pa Chief.  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: audiojunkie on Jun 23, 2008 at 11:43 PM
June 28 pa Chief.  ;)

eksayted na kasi ako sa magandang ebent na eto.... ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 24, 2008 at 06:48 AM
eksayted na kasi ako sa magandang ebent na eto.... ;D  ;D  ;D

Paul and I are busy preparing for the event. We should be ready by this Saturday.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: skylynx888 on Jun 24, 2008 at 08:53 AM
good luck sa rubout este sa shootout ng mga dvd players  ;D ;D ;D  :D :D

kung pwede po, pa post ng mga pictures para makita din namin ang results  ;) :) 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: odyopayl on Jun 24, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Had experience shoot-out before with the CD players, medyo mahirap. I suggest 2 units at a time then select the best. Then lahat ng 1st place for the 2nd showdown to see the overall winner. Added to this, audience should not see the player brand being played dapat blind test. You should talk about the criteria and prefer the set-up especially the materials, dapat meron na kayo 2 similar DVD or BD. para switching na lang. If HDMI dapat all HDMI same brand para walang variables.
By the way, I suggest to calibrate all the players first to eliminate set-up variables when it comes to PQ. Every player has it's own default set-up.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jun 24, 2008 at 12:05 PM
what movies will be used for the shoot-out kaya?

I wanna see SD vs HD of

- Blade Runner
- Hulk
- Hollow Man
- Ratatouille
- Batman Begins
- Spider-Man 3
- Terminator
- King Kong
- The Rock

hmmm.... what other movies pa can be used
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 24, 2008 at 01:50 PM
what movies will be used for the shoot-out kaya?

I wanna see SD vs HD of

- Blade Runner
- Hulk
- Hollow Man
- Ratatouille
- Batman Begins
- Spider-Man 3
- Terminator
- King Kong
- The Rock

hmmm.... what other movies pa can be used

We will keep this in mind. The problem is that we need the discs, and the SD versions need to be the recent ones. For example, I have good SD versions of Hollow Man, Batman Begins, Spiderman 3, King Kong and the Rock but I don't have the BD or HD versions. I have BD of Ratatouille but not the SD. Personally, I only have BD and SD versions of The Fifth Element, 2001, Matrix and the Bourne Identity. Pero di ako sure ng quality ng mga SD except for Fifth Element. Will need to check.

Paul and I will see what we have and we will ask others to supply what they can.

By the way, another interesting unit we will likely test will be Popcorn Hour with 500 GB hard disk full of HD movies. Ma-test ko sya mamayang gabi.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 24, 2008 at 01:55 PM
Had experience shoot-out before with the CD players, medyo mahirap. I suggest 2 units at a time then select the best. Then lahat ng 1st place for the 2nd showdown to see the overall winner. Added to this, audience should not see the player brand being played dapat blind test. You should talk about the criteria and prefer the set-up especially the materials, dapat meron na kayo 2 similar DVD or BD. para switching na lang. If HDMI dapat all HDMI same brand para walang variables.
By the way, I suggest to calibrate all the players first to eliminate set-up variables when it comes to PQ. Every player has it's own default set-up.

Thanks for the suggestions. Yes, we will try our best to follow all of these guidelines.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jun 25, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Just got my Western Digital Passport 320gb, filled it up with CD Quality MP3s ripped from my original imported CDs, Pics taken from everywhere (here and out of the country), and some downloaded vids (avi format) and connected it to the USB slot at the back of the 983H

What can I say...

1. I don't need a media center anymore.  ;D ;D ;D
2. CD quality MP3s sounded like my CD audio (at least to my non-audiophilic ears)  ;D ;D ;D
3. High res pics I took looks really good on my TV
4. Downloaded movies (not high-def) looks so so.. Unfortunately, High-def movies (more than 720p x 480p) will not play on the Oppo 983..

Overall, I really love this DVD player!!!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 25, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Paul and I met last night and we more or less finalized the plan for the shoot-out. For reasons that are apparent below, we will test 8 different set-ups. At the moment, we will test the following:

1. Oppo 983
2. Oppo 981
3. PS3
4. Pio 600
5. Toshiba HD-A35
6. Toshiba HD-XA2
7. Panasonic BD30
8. Pio 600 passing through Denon 2808

We will have 4 different tests. Each one will be "blind." You won't know which player is being tested.

First test: Rate each player, using HQV Benchmark disc.

Second test: Using the ratings from the 1st test, we rank the players from 1 to 8. We then do match-ups, using the same SD material for each match-up.
First match-up: No. 1 vs. no. 8, No. 2 vs 7, No. 3 vs 6, No. 4 vs 5
Second match-up: First & Last winners, Middle 2 winners
Third match-up: The 2 winners from 2nd match-up

Third test: Compare 2 or 4 of the best SD players vs BD player, using same movie. There will be a rating system so you can tell, more or less, how near the SD players are to BD

Fourth test: Guessing game. Just guess if the player is BD or SD

We have put together some pretty good movies, but we likely need help in getting additional SD copies of the following:
1. Miami Vice
2. Zodiac
3. Bourne Ultimatum
4. Double Jeopardy
5. Mr. & Mrs. Smith
6. The Devil Wears Prada
7. MI:III
8. Spiderman 3

Any more ideas?

We have around 8 or 9 people confirmed to attend. We need a few more volunteers to participate.  :)

By the way, those who will participate will be able to see Popcorn Hour in action. 720p and 1080p material. Plug & Play. We tested it and so far, the quality is pretty incredible.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Jun 25, 2008 at 01:00 PM
I have the ff titles,sadly I cant come but willing to lend it. Mandaluyong or makati meet-up lang :)
1. Miami Vice- region1
5. Mr. & Mrs. Smith-region 3 1st release
6. The Devil Wears Prada-region 3 imported dvd
7. MI:III-region 3 2discs collector's edition
8. Spiderman 3-region 1 also I have spiderman 1 superbit in region 1 also
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jun 25, 2008 at 02:13 PM
Paul and I met last night and we more or less finalized the plan for the shoot-out. For reasons that are apparent below, we will test 8 different set-ups. At the moment, we will test the following:

1. Oppo 983
2. Oppo 981
3. PS3
4. Pio 600
5. Toshiba HD-A35
6. Toshiba HD-XA2
7. Panasonic BD30
8. Pio 600 passing through Denon 2808

We will have 4 different tests. Each one will be "blind." You won't know which player is being tested.

First test: Rate each player, using HQV Benchmark disc.

Second test: Using the ratings from the 1st test, we rank the players from 1 to 8. We then do match-ups, using the same SD material for each match-up.
First match-up: No. 1 vs. no. 8, No. 2 vs 7, No. 3 vs 6, No. 4 vs 5
Second match-up: First & Last winners, Middle 2 winners
Third match-up: The 2 winners from 2nd match-up

Third test: Compare 2 or 4 of the best SD players vs BD player, using same movie. There will be a rating system so you can tell, more or less, how near the SD players are to BD

Fourth test: Guessing game. Just guess if the player is BD or SD

We have around 8 or 9 people confirmed to attend. We need a few more volunteers to participate.  :)

By the way, those who will participate will be able to see Popcorn Hour in action. 720p and 1080p material. Plug & Play. We tested it and so far, the quality is pretty incredible.  :)

Let's Get It On! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: MAtZTER on Jun 25, 2008 at 04:04 PM
Unfortunately, High-def movies (more than 720p x 480p) will not play on the Oppo 983..

I wonder why these manufacturers still havent thought of letting new DVD players read MKV files.  :(
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 25, 2008 at 04:19 PM
I have the ff titles,sadly I can come but willing to lend it. Mandaluyong or makati meet-up lang :)
1. Miami Vice- region1
5. Mr. & Mrs. Smith-region 3 1st release
6. The Devil Wears Prada-region 3 imported dvd
7. MI:III-region 3 2discs collector's edition
8. Spiderman 3-region 1 also I have spiderman 1 superbit in region 1 also

Ricky, thanks for the offer. Someone will bring discs 1, 5 and 6. Meron naman siguro magdadala ng iba.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 25, 2008 at 09:04 PM
The title Zodiac to me will be a big big test, The hddvd copy is just simply amazing to me pqwise. How about beowulf guys hehe..Beowulf is also stunning ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jun 26, 2008 at 08:53 AM
sayang kuya ricky, I'm planning to go eh.

I can bring my R3 of Mr & Mrs. Smith.

What about Transformers?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Jun 26, 2008 at 10:45 AM
sayang kuya ricky, I'm planning to go eh.

I can bring my R3 of Mr & Mrs. Smith.

What about Transformers?

Oo nga sayang, I wont be able to make it. :( Pero ok na din kasi maiinggit lang ako ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 26, 2008 at 10:47 AM
sayang kuya ricky, I'm planning to go eh.

I can bring my R3 of Mr & Mrs. Smith.

What about Transformers?

Sige. Dalhin mo Mr. & Mrs. Smith.

Meron ako HD ng Transformers. Meron ka ba SD copy? Kung meron ka, pwede mo na rin dalhin. Thanks!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jun 26, 2008 at 01:07 PM
Sige. Dalhin mo Mr. & Mrs. Smith.

Meron ako HD ng Transformers. Meron ka ba SD copy? Kung meron ka, pwede mo na rin dalhin. Thanks!

OK I'll bring my SD Transformers
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on Jun 27, 2008 at 09:29 AM
Oo nga sayang, I wont be able to make it. :( Pero ok na din kasi maiinggit lang ako ;D

bro punta ka na treat kita  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Jun 27, 2008 at 10:08 AM
bro punta ka na treat kita  :D

Kung Mcdo di bale na ;D kahit eat all you can pa ;D perahin ko na lang pare ;) ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 27, 2008 at 10:18 AM
If someone volunteers an Oppo 981, that would be great. Wala lang ako kilala na merong ganun.

We would like to confirm if someone has offered his OPPO 981 & has contacted Mark? Tnx
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on Jun 27, 2008 at 10:29 AM
We would like to confirm if someone has offered his OPPO 981 & has contacted Mark? Tnx

bro confirm ko mamaya kung dadalhin nya yung 981 :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on Jun 27, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Kung Mcdo di bale na ;D kahit eat all you can pa ;D perahin ko na lang pare ;) ;D

pare lapit lang dito robinsons dami na choices dun. layo ng shangrila eh commute lang ako :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Jun 27, 2008 at 10:33 AM
pare lapit lang dito robinsons dami na choices dun. layo ng shangrila eh commute lang ako :)

joke lang yon, sorry paul o.t. kami :-[
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on Jun 27, 2008 at 10:24 PM
confirmed 981 is available tomorrow :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 27, 2008 at 10:48 PM
confirmed 981 is available tomorrow :D

This is great great news. I wanna see this player in action hehe..I think you too sir sanmig hehe...
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 27, 2008 at 11:37 PM
joke lang yon, sorry paul o.t. kami :-[

No problem bro...see ya all tomorrow at Mark's place....don't be late. We'll start on time at 2pm for the briefing & introduction.  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on Jun 28, 2008 at 01:50 AM
This is great great news. I wanna see this player in action hehe..I think you too sir sanmig hehe...

moks,bro mukhang derecho na 983 mo kasi satisfied ka sa demo mo kila paul :D
kita kits,sana may galing  south para makisabay na lang ako.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 28, 2008 at 07:45 AM
confirmed 981 is available tomorrow :D

Ok! Thanks for following this up.  :)

Ang alam ko ay merong darating na galing south. Tingnan na lang natin later.

Sipag din ni Paul. Kita kami kagabi para ayusin mga scoresheets. Ngayong umaga, walk-through na kami.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on Jun 28, 2008 at 08:01 AM
ok sir madali lang naman commute dito sa dasma na bus.
ready ko na yung 3 sddvd, see you all:D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 28, 2008 at 08:38 AM
moks,bro mukhang derecho na 983 mo kasi satisfied ka sa demo mo kila paul :D
kita kits,sana may galing  south para makisabay na lang ako.

hehe need approval from my wife, the 981 lang she wanna slap me na, galit na. She said meron na pioneer 600, sony ns76. How many dvd players you want? This is the usual response/question from our wives right? ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 28, 2008 at 09:18 AM
hehe need approval from my wife, the 981 lang she wanna slap me na, galit na. She said meron na pioneer 600, sony ns76. How many dvd players you want? This is the usual response/question from our wives right? ;D

Parang handbag lang or shoes ang dvd player. Bili mo sya Gucci bag.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 28, 2008 at 09:24 AM
Parang handbag lang or shoes ang dvd player. Bili mo sya Gucci bag.  ;D ;D

I couldn't agree more! LOL  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jun 28, 2008 at 10:13 AM
What time ang shootout ninyo guys?  Kakainggit kau..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Saxman on Jun 28, 2008 at 10:25 AM
What time ang shootout ninyo guys?  Kakainggit kau..

Doc,

The shoot out is from 2pm to 6pm today  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jun 28, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Parang handbag lang or shoes ang dvd player. Bili mo sya Gucci bag.  ;D ;D

ayos sir street, the best nga yan reason na yan.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: dyerds on Jun 28, 2008 at 02:43 PM
Ano na kaya nangyari sa shoot-out?  ::)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jun 28, 2008 at 07:49 PM
Ano na kaya nangyari sa shoot-out?  ::)

tapos na! abangan ang resulta! paging sir pchin and sir streetmart.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: JhunDV on Jun 28, 2008 at 08:28 PM
I'm waiting for the results also. :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ESi on Jun 28, 2008 at 09:09 PM
Not to preempt our gracious hosts of the results of the shootout, all I could say is it was truly a very enlightening and educational evening for all of us. I have never been to a very formal and well organized shootout like that. It was complete with score cards, very comfortable seating, a truly well calibrated HT, siomai, chips and dips, Pansit malabon, and an assortment of drinks. It was also a chance to meet colleagues in the hobby and share one's thoughts and knowledge about it. It was very nice and enjoyable meeting everyone! I'll just wait for either Sir Mark or Paul to post the results. Bravo guys and my sincerest thanks. ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 28, 2008 at 09:24 PM
I have to say that this is the most enjoyable time I had as a pinoydvd member. A lot of laughs with the great/cool fellow members, kuentohan, eating etc. I would like to thank Sir Mark and Paul for organizing this, setting up everything and especially to Sir Mark for letting us use his place. Paul with his 983, and the rest of the gang with all their dvd players to make this a success.

I will let streetsmart and pchin do the honors in telling you guys the results after everything they went thru to make this shootout a success.
All I have to say is there are really some surprises.. :D..Stay tuned..Do I sound like Bill Hunt?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jun 28, 2008 at 09:41 PM
Not to preempt our gracious hosts of the results of the shootout, all I could say is it was truly a very enlightening and educational evening for all of us. I have never been to a very formal and well organized shootout like that. It was complete with score cards, very comfortable seating, a truly well calibrated HT, siomai, chips and dips, Pansit malabon, and an assortment of drinks. It was also a chance to meet colleagues in the hobby and share one's thoughts and knowledge about it. It was very nice and enjoyable meeting everyone! I'll just wait for either Sir Mark or Paul to post the results. Bravo guys and my sincerest thanks. ;D

I have to say that this is the most enjoyable time I had as a pinoydvd member. A lot of laughs with the great/cool fellow members, kuentohan, eating etc. I would like to thank Sir Mark and Paul for organizing this, setting up everything and especially to Sir Mark for letting us use his place. Paul with his 983, and the rest of the gang with all their dvd players to make this a success.

I will let streetsmart and pchin do the honors in telling you guys the results after everything they went thru to make this shootout a success.
All I have to say is there are really some surprises.. :D..Stay tuned..Do I sound like Bill Hunt?

oo nga sir angelo and sir raymond, truth be told it was the kwentuhan and exchanging of info and experiences that was really enjoyable for me personally than being one of the judges in the shoot-out (kakatakot pag mali pili mo!  ;D ;D ;D). but again, kudos to sir mark and sir paul for organizing this shoot-out, my first eb and shoot-out, and it was a great experience!

results na.....   ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jun 28, 2008 at 09:54 PM
It was an honor to meet all of you guys.
And a BIG thanks to sir streetsmart and pchin for organizing this get together.

It was really fun and it was also an eye-opener for all of us.
Great conversations, fantastic food, comfortable seats, all great people.

Sir streetsmart truly has an exceptional HT
Nabibitin nga ako eh.
I wanna watch a full length movie there  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ESi on Jun 28, 2008 at 09:56 PM
I wanna watch a full length movie there  :D

Ditto! ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 28, 2008 at 09:58 PM
Thanks for all the members that participated in the shoot-out, and especially those that contributed their dvd players and dvd's.

Paul and I acted as hosts and organizers while the judges were:

1. ESi
2. Juancho
3. gearhead
4. jollibeemcdonald
5. sanmig_ph
6. zedric
7. saxman
8. iiinaslao
9. moks007
10. mercury724

The players tested were as follows:

1. Oppo 983
2. Oppo 981
3. Oppo 980
4. Pio 600
5. Tosh XA2
6. Tosh A 35
7. Panny BD30
8. PS3

Due to technical issues and time constraints, we were unable to test the Pio 600 passing through the Denon 2808.

The first test was to rate each player, based on the HQV benchmark test. Results were:

1. Oppo 983 - 89.67 pts
2. PS3 - 88.5
3. XA2 - 87.56
4. BD30 - 75.44
5. 981 - 74.6
6. A35 - 69.16
7. 980 - 68.9
8. Pio 600 - 55

My main conclusion here is that the Pio 600 is way behind in performance.

Next test was to pit 2 players vs each other till we had one winner. Results were:

First round
983 d. Pio 600 6:3
A35 d. BD30 5:4
980 d. PS3 5:4
XA2 d. 981 10:0

Note that there were some abstentions

Second round
983 d. A35 6:2
XA2 d. 980 4:3

Final round
983 d. XA2 4:3

So, the winner is the Oppo 983!!!  :)

Caveats:
1. This only judges players, not AVR's and projectors which can also handle video processing.
2. There were a few errors committed during the shoot-out, although we believe these were relatively minor.

Thanks again to everyone who participated! I believe we all learned a lot, had a lot of fun, gained new friends and had a masarap merienda.  :) :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 28, 2008 at 10:06 PM
We had intended to do an SD vs BD test and a guessing test, wherein the judge guesses whether the disc is BD or SD. Masaya yun kasaya maraming daya kami ni Paul Chin, using processors, *special* discs and *special* players.

Due to time constraints, di naman nagawa. Nonetheless, we were still able to demo a lot of the special material and I think everyone was quite shocked at how good the pq was.  ;D ;D

Let me reiterate that I think the best thing was that everyone was just so cool and friendly. Masaya talaga.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 28, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Let me also say that Paul and I did a lot of testing of BD vs. SD and we can only conclude that SD can get extremely close to BD, especially if you have the right equipment (player, processor).

To an untrained eye or at a far-enough distance, you will see no difference. But there is definitely a difference, especially as your eyes are trained. Translation: OCD.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jun 28, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Honestly it was difficult to judge the 5 minute clips because most of us would judge the player based on PQ.
Not all players were calibrated for the best PQ possible.

This test, I believe was supposed to compare and contrast the performance of each player.

There's a difference with PQ and performance.
PQ can be adjusted and calibrated but, performance cannot.

I remember most of us were gaping at the striking colors and vibrant reds and greens while forgetting about the players technical performance.

Just my observation........
But all in all it was a very well organized event.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 28, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Yes. That's another weakness. We could not adjust basic video parameters such as brightness, contrast, color for each individual player because of issues of time. Definitely, the players were not optimally calibrated.

Having said that, the judges were instructed to look at other stuff, which were more related to the player itself, such as jaggies, motion blur and detail.

Looking at the final results, I think that the broad conclusions are valid.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 28, 2008 at 10:49 PM
To me the shocker was the 980 ;D..I'm thinking tuloy to get this player ;D
Looks so goooood for the price..Man it looks excellent against ps3 and xa2 considering the price difference. If money is no object, I would get the 983 hehe..
Ya I agree bec of time constraint we cant calibrate every player. I just wish we calibrated the 981 bec it really looked bad, there is something wrong ;D.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on Jun 28, 2008 at 10:50 PM
sir mark & sir paul thanks for organizing this EB & showing us your wonderful theater room sir mark. I will never forget my experience this day,kakarating ko lang sa house & sulit ang commute na 3 hrs.
this is a dream theater room for us & i will work so hard to achieve my goals of having this kind of dedicated theater room in the future.

mga Fafs nice meeting you all :D




Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 28, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Hehe. At the end, I think the happiest guy was ESi kasi ang ganda nga ng performance ng 980.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on Jun 28, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Hehe. At the end, I think the happiest guy was ESi kasi ang ganda nga ng performance ng 980.

last man stand yung 980 ni Sir Esi, kaya pala late panalo eh  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 28, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Thank you too to all the gentlemen who took some of their precious weekend time off to participate in this meaningful event & also your contribution in lending your players, DVDs & not to mention all the delicious food. It's great to catch up old faces again & a pleasure to meet new faces. :)

A high salute & thanks to Streetsmart (Mark) for allowing us to use his dedicated HT for this shootout. Great system. Great demo. I like the Pop Corn demo! ;D

It was complete with score cards, very comfortable seating, a truly well calibrated HT, siomai, chips and dips, Pansit malabon, and an assortment of drinks.

Aik...I was late & all the food almost finished na... LOL  :P

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on Jun 28, 2008 at 11:15 PM
yep, i agree with you sir paul Pop Corn demo is ok. kaya na delay tayo ng konti eh  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 28, 2008 at 11:19 PM
We had intended to do an SD vs BD test and a guessing test, wherein the judge guesses whether the disc is BD or SD. Masaya yun kasaya maraming daya kami ni Paul Chin, using processors, *special* discs and *special* players. Due to time constraints, di naman nagawa.

It's good we are able to reserve some bullets to shoot in future.  :D

Due to the good response, maybe we can consider to organize another shootout in the near future with the above mentioned parameter. What say you Mark? ;D

I just wish we calibrated the 981 bec it really looked bad, there is something wrong ;D.

Hmm...I'm curious of this too...maybe we can have a "revisit" shootout for the top 4 players in future? :)
Can the owner of OPPO 981 confirm/check what setting the player used during the testing?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: mercury724 on Jun 29, 2008 at 01:00 AM
let me first of all thank sir mark and paul for organizing the eb/ shootout. pasensya mga sirs for being late, this was my very first eb as a pdvd member, i was very much impressed with sir mark's home theater setup, it was a very well organized shoot out, and nice meeting  the rest of the cool pipol who where there. :) sayang i have to leave before the second round i wanted to stay pa sana pero something came up so had to leave early. by the way the results of the players are quite interesting and informative! maraming salamat po ulit sir paul and sir mark.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: gearhead on Jun 29, 2008 at 03:26 AM
Hmm...I'm curious of this too...maybe we can have a "revisit" shootout for the top 4 players in future? :)
Can the owner of OPPO 981 confirm/check what setting the player used during the testing?

i've checked the oppo dv-981 settings already and i now think i know where the problem lies.

the manifest problem that we were quite surprised about is the seeming lack of picture contrast. it really seems too low for our taste and color appears washed out. i browsed the items in the video tab of the oppo player and there is a setting there for "RGB Range" with a choice between "Normal" and "Enhanced". it was set at the "normal" mode when it was tested in the shootout. switching it to the "enhanced" mode, there is a very definite change in the picture contrast... closer to the picture balance of the other players.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jun 29, 2008 at 07:31 AM
i've checked the oppo dv-981 settings already and i now think i know where the problem lies.

the manifest problem that we were quite surprised about is the seeming lack of picture contrast. it really seems too low for our taste and color appears washed out. i browsed the items in the video tab of the oppo player and there is a setting there for "RGB Range" with a choice between "Normal" and "Enhanced". it was set at the "normal" mode when it was tested in the shootout. switching it to the "enhanced" mode, there is a very definite change in the picture contrast... closer to the picture balance of the other players.

aha! sayang, shocker talaga yang 981 dun sa shoot-out, maybe if there is to be a part two, then it can come back prepared so to speak.

btw, ayos nga rin yung popcorn!  ::)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 29, 2008 at 07:55 AM
It's good we are able to reserve some bullets to shoot in future.  :D

Due to the good response, maybe we can consider to organize another shootout in the near future with the above mentioned parameter. What say you Mark? ;D

Hmm...I'm curious of this too...maybe we can have a "revisit" shootout for the top 4 players in future? :)
Can the owner of OPPO 981 confirm/check what setting the player used during the testing?

Let's rest for a while.  ;D ;D

Don't worry. We should be able to think of another good excuse to do an EB. Maybe, something like Christmas.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 29, 2008 at 07:57 AM
i've checked the oppo dv-981 settings already and i now think i know where the problem lies.

the manifest problem that we were quite surprised about is the seeming lack of picture contrast. it really seems too low for our taste and color appears washed out. i browsed the items in the video tab of the oppo player and there is a setting there for "RGB Range" with a choice between "Normal" and "Enhanced". it was set at the "normal" mode when it was tested in the shootout. switching it to the "enhanced" mode, there is a very definite change in the picture contrast... closer to the picture balance of the other players.

Ay sayang, I really wanted to see this player in pure form, with all cylinders running. Im sure its a great player also.  I also hope there will be a part 2, Lets start at 12pm? hehe...Early lunch at home hehe..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: dyerds on Jun 29, 2008 at 09:01 AM
Congrats to all the people who participated in the event especially to the organizers. I hope that next time I can participate too on this kind of event and meet you guys at makakain ng masasarap nyong dala.  :)  ;D I 'm very disappointed with Pio dv600  that it didn't even make it to the midfield.  :( I was also shocked with the result of the shoot-out and Oppo 983 being the winner. I thought it would just be behind the BDP  but I didn't expect it to win. Congrats sa'yo!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on Jun 29, 2008 at 09:14 AM
Ay sayang, I really wanted to see this player in pure form, with all cylinders running. Im sure its a great player also.  I also hope there will be a part 2, Lets start at 12pm? hehe...Early lunch at home hehe..

i've checked the oppo dv-981 settings already and i now think i know where the problem lies.

the manifest problem that we were quite surprised about is the seeming lack of picture contrast. it really seems too low for our taste and color appears washed out. i browsed the items in the video tab of the oppo player and there is a setting there for "RGB Range" with a choice between "Normal" and "Enhanced". it was set at the "normal" mode when it was tested in the shootout. switching it to the "enhanced" mode, there is a very definite change in the picture contrast... closer to the picture balance of the other players.

gearhead bro thanks for checking the 981 performance as the groups requested ;)
sayang we did not check the settings,i hope ma test pa din to see how good this player :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: revskie on Jun 29, 2008 at 09:25 AM
Guys,

Like how close is the SD PQ quality of the 983 to a BR PQ?

75%? 80? 90? 100? ;D

Thanks,

Revskie
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jun 29, 2008 at 09:27 AM
To my eyes it looked really close.

Yung The Rock Criterion disc looked HD to me while being played on the 983.

It also depends on the movie your playing eh
If it's a recent big budget movie then it would look close to close to HD.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: gearhead on Jun 29, 2008 at 09:32 AM
;D I 'm very disappointed with Pio dv600  that it didn't even make it to the midfield.  :( I was also shocked with the result of the shoot-out and Oppo 983 being the winner. I thought it would just be behind the BDP  but I didn't expect it to win. Congrats sa'yo!  ;D ;D

bro dyerds, don't be too hard on our dv-600. i tell you it did came down fighting.

Quote
First round
983 d. Pio 600 6:3
A35 d. BD30 5:4
980 d. PS3 5:4
XA2 d. 981 10:0

as you can see, the pio was up against a very strong contender. but if you have seen the same clips as played through these players, there wasn't really any significant difference. both pictures appeared crisp and contrasty. you'll be really hard-pressed to pick a better one.

although it was really a different matter in the performance test as you can really see the jaggies for example. but then, in real world situations... only OC people such as us would really notice.   ;D

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on Jun 29, 2008 at 09:37 AM
bro dyerds, don't be too hard on our dv-600. i tell you it did came down fighting.

as you can see, the pio was up against a very strong contender. but if you have seen the same clips as played through these players, there wasn't really any significant difference. both pictures appeared crisp and contrasty. you'll be really hard-pressed to pick a better one.

although it was really a different matter in the performance test as you can really see the jaggies for example. but then, in real world situations... only OC people such as us would really notice.   ;D


i agree with you bro,1st round is marginal difference lang to my eyes.
but 983 has better details & less jaggies
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jun 29, 2008 at 09:45 AM
Indeed when King Kong was playing on the pio-dv600 vs Oppo 983

I will admit that I was hard-pressed deciding which was which.

In the end
I was one of the 3 who blindly picked the Pio   ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: gearhead on Jun 29, 2008 at 09:54 AM
i picked out the oppo-983, but to tell you honestly... i choose one just more for the sake of choosing, although i would like to believe that A (983) has perceptively a little more detail and color balance. but perceptions can be wrong, you know.

on the final round, i again chose 983 (B i think?) coz of a perceptively more pleasing rendition... but nothing you would trash the other contender out. we're all pretty much splitting hairs there.

the 981 picture though was no contest as it appeared really washed out. but again it's more of the default setting it came in with. as we can see during the performance test, it came up just behind the high-end players. i will do a personal testing of the unit again later.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Mouldingo on Jun 29, 2008 at 10:03 AM
I guess the BD30's pathetic SD DVD performance dragged it down. Or was it scored based purely on its HD performance? But a Upconversion player defeating the vaunted PS3 is something. Did you use only a SD DVD reference disc to test on both the OPPO 980 vs PS3? Or did you use a reference SD DVD on the OPPO 980 and a blu version on the PS3? (SD DVD Criterion's Rock vs Blu version's Rock) What reference HD test discs did use for HD DVD and BD?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: dyerds on Jun 29, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Nice to hear that our Pio still fight till the end. Go Pacquiao! Este Pio pala. ;D  It really means a lot that someone still voted on our Pio because it still really do good side by side with those expensive players. Sayang nga lang at hindi nakasama para nakita ko rin yung nakita nyo.  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: gearhead on Jun 29, 2008 at 10:22 AM
I guess the BD30's pathetic SD DVD performance dragged it down. Or was it scored based purely on its HD performance? But a Upconversion player defeating the vaunted PS3 is something. Did you use only a SD DVD reference disc to test on both the OPPO 980 vs PS3? Or did you use a reference SD DVD on the OPPO 980 and a blu version on the PS3? (SD DVD Criterion's Rock vs Blu version's Rock) What reference HD test discs did use for HD DVD and BD?

i think this is more a test on the SD performance. an SD vs. BD test (plus some others) was in the program but due to time constraints we only managed to finish the SD performance shootout.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Mouldingo on Jun 29, 2008 at 10:34 AM
i think this is more a test on the SD performance. an SD vs. BD test (plus some others) was in the program but due to time constraints we only managed to finish the SD performance shootout.

For HD Players, expected naman ang poor performance since secondary lang ang SD DVD upconversion. :) At least the PS3 SD DVD HQV performance puts other real upconversion SD DVD players to shame... ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: leomar on Jun 29, 2008 at 12:44 PM
astig! congrats sa shoot-out! 983 is the best dvdp in the market today pala talaga =)
im still happy with the results of the PS3  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jun 29, 2008 at 12:52 PM
For HD Players, expected naman ang poor performance since secondary lang ang SD DVD upconversion. :) At least the PS3 SD DVD HQV performance puts other real upconversion SD DVD players to shame... ;D

The ps3 did really well nga. I was surprised also. This was a player I really remembered when playing Hollow Man superbit versus the 980. I thought it was really like hidef. Actually I thought it was bluray, no kidding. I even commented after the test to Sir Mark I thought that  yun player na yan was really awesome. What player is that? I told them its the best I saw so far,  but it could be the disc lang. The finals playing The Rock also were the best I saw and its really so close na it is just magnificent. Now the big question is: With the performance of the 980 which is so so excellent versus the ps3 and xa2, Will you buy this player?
Lets calculate: Oppo 980 = 169usd with your 300 to 600 dvds you already have, all region pa the player
                     or Ps3 = 399usd, region locked and have to buy bluray discs all over again at 20 to 28 dollars a pop w/o a sale.
Hmm..which would one choose is the big question. Will people wait for bluray players to be 199usd and discs at 8 to 15 dollars? or just go ahead and buy a great dvd player, one shot, and play all your dvd library again. Or will they just buy the Popcorn ;D, impressive simply impressive ;D

I almost pulled the trigger last nite on the 980 when I came home (I think I will soon ;D), Bad influence talaga is ESI ;D..Dinala pa kasi yun excellent 980 niya. ;D..If I had the money, no budget concerns, huge screens, no questions asked I will really get the 983. Thats just me..A big advantage to me is the region free player talaga.

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: danrd on Jun 29, 2008 at 01:05 PM
Congrats guys! Nice to know the shootout turned out well.  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 29, 2008 at 01:37 PM
Actually, the PS3 should have won the HQV benchmark test because it has a very good noise reduction feature which the other players don't have (not even the VP50Pro). The problem was that the noise reduction was not activated. Otherwise, it would have gotten many more points.

The result is actually not surprising because based on specs and reputation, I expected the 983 and the XA2 to be the best.

As moks007 has pointed out, what was surprising was the performance of the Oppo 980. Mura lang sya but it was really good. Kaya sobra tuwa ni ESi.  ;D

Of course, the really funny thing is that the best player was probably the Popcorn pero syempre may daya yun kasi 720p material.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 29, 2008 at 01:38 PM
Nasaan na ang mga picture?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jun 29, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Nice to hear that our Pio still fight till the end. Go Pacquiao! Este Pio pala. ;D  It really means a lot that someone still voted on our Pio because it still really do good side by side with those expensive players. Sayang nga lang at hindi nakasama para nakita ko rin yung nakita nyo.  ;)

i own a pio 600 too, but based on the hqv test, it failed miserably talaga, we really thought it was a goner when the head to head tests comes. that is why i remembered when the 981 was playing the rock (i think) with its washed out colors, i remebered sir angelo (esi) was telling me, "mukhang yon yung pioneer 600" and i agreed then. that's why all were surprised that the pio was the one who went head to head with the eventual winner 983 playing king kong during round one. sobrang konti lang ang difference. as i said in my earlier post here, hirap mamili, i think everybody were a little pressured in choosing a player doon sa head to head, specially with sir mark saying that if we choose the wrong player, we will be suspended sa pdvd...  ;D ;D ;D 

but in the end, i think the last two players 983 and xa2 were the best in upscaling sd materials, parang hd na talaga.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: dyerds on Jun 29, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Nasaan na ang mga picture?

Oo nga. Show us the pics please.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: gearhead on Jun 29, 2008 at 05:23 PM
some of the pics are with my brother (there are four cameras there). for sure he will upload them later.

i'll just take this time to thank our usual superb and gracious host sir mark aka streetsmart and the one who made all this happen, sir paul aka pchin. two thumbs up for these two guys.   ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jun 29, 2008 at 08:05 PM
Don't worry. We should be able to think of another good excuse to do an EB. Maybe, something like Christmas.  ;D ;D

Christmas "SD vs BD" Shootout EB? ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: jgl on Jun 29, 2008 at 08:15 PM
Great test!  I'm curious.... where do you think an XBOX360 playing SD via VGA to an LCD (1366 x 768) be comparable to any of these?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: JollyBMcDonald on Jun 29, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Updated 6/30/08:

First of all, thanks to Sir Mark (streetsmart) for the warm reception and to Sir Paul Chin (pchin) for tirelessly setting up/switching back and forth the equipments used in the shootout.  Though we came a little later than the call time, we were graciously accommodated by the host.  We also meet some old and new faces and I can say they're all very nice.  They didn't reprimand us for being late.  ;)  

This was my 2nd time at Sir Mark's place,  and it was no ordinary EB as we were like judging a major competition.  ;D  If only you  can see the looks in everybody's eyes while we were seriously looking out for flaws in each of the  players....   ;D  

So for those who missed this very rare opportunity to match up the best DVD/HD players in the market today, here are the pics of the event.   My memory's not really designed for remembering names so my apologies to those i forgot and to those present at the event, kindly fill in the missing names.

                            Click on the picture for a larger view...

                             (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/01IMG_3474.jpg) (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/01IMG_3474.jpg)

                            Before the shootout....  (Merienda food's aplenty)


                             (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/02IMG_3475.jpg) (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/02IMG_3475.jpg)

                            This is no easy job, so...... a full stomach is essential.


                             (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/03IMG_3477.jpg) (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/03IMG_3477.jpg)

                            Check out how grand streetsmart's theatre is.


                             (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/04IMG_3480.jpg) (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/04IMG_3480.jpg)

                            The Control Station.... this is no professional cinema. I swear this is just a home theatre.... a kick ass one, that is...


                             (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/05IMG_3479.jpg) (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/05IMG_3479.jpg)

                            The contenders upclose..


                             (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/06IMG_3481.jpg) (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/06IMG_3481.jpg)

                            The judges....  still in disbelief what went wrong with the Oppo981 who flunked the actual test


                             (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/07IMG_3490.jpg) (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/07IMG_3490.jpg)

                            Discussing the results...


                             (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/08IMG_3493.jpg) (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/08IMG_3493.jpg)

                            So what's the verdict ???


                             (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/09IMG_3496.jpg) (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/09IMG_3496.jpg)

                            This is harder than i thought...


                             (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/10IMG_3506.jpg) (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/10IMG_3506.jpg)

                            We still got time to test the popcorn hour, right?

                            
                             (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/11IMG_3483.jpg) (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/11IMG_3483.jpg)
                            The Gang
                            From left to right:  Saxman (Dennis), iiinaslao, zedric,  Streetsmart (Sir Mark), JollyBMcDonald (Jess [V]),
                            moks007 , ESI, Sanmig_ph (Joel), juancho,  Gearhead (Joey - left, seated)


                             (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/12IMG_3485.jpg) (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/12IMG_3485.jpg)
                            One more time.... now with feelings

                            From left to right:  Saxman (Dennis), zedric, juancho, moks007 , Sanmig_ph (Joel),
                            Streetsmart (Sir Mark), ESI, JollyBMcDonald (Jess [V]), iiinaslao, Gearhead (Joey - seated)


                             (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/13IMG_3510.jpg) (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk195/jollybmcdonald/13IMG_3510.jpg)
                      
                            Screenshot of streetsmart's PJ screen....

As i've mentioned, this is my 2nd invitation to Sir Mark's haven ... and I won't get tired of going to Sir Mark's place due to the fact that i may never have an HT like his in my lifetime.... i just hope Sir Mark's gonna include us again in his future EBs.   ;)


JollyBMcDonald  8)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Saxman on Jun 29, 2008 at 11:21 PM
nice shots, jess!  :D

thanks to sir mark and paul for organizing this shoot out and for the hospitality.  more power to you guys!!!  :D  more EB! more EB! more EB!  ;D

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sanmig_ph on Jun 30, 2008 at 12:42 AM
sir jess nice shots ;) sir paul, na miss ka namin sa picture.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 30, 2008 at 07:09 AM
Ang galing ng pictures! Thanks!

The unidentified guys in the first group pic ("The Gang"), from left to right, are: iiinaslao, zedric, moks007 and juancho.

Wala si Paul sa group pic kasi he had to rush to a meeting. Wala rin si mercury724 kasi he also left early.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jun 30, 2008 at 08:59 AM
I wonder why nakapikit mata ko in 2 of the pictures.
 :(

I wasn't able to project  :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ESi on Jun 30, 2008 at 09:52 AM
Here's my contribution to the pictures taken on my ever reliable Jurassic 2 MP P&S Camera

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii50/ESi_album/IMG_7739.jpg?t=1214789725)
Nakabawi ang Dark Horse ko. From 2nd to the last to 3rd just behind Mr. Reon and Mr. VRS.
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii50/ESi_album/IMG_7738.jpg?t=1214789975)
Just like Mark said, Im one Happy and Contented fellow. Obvious naman di ba? :D
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii50/ESi_album/equipment.jpg?t=1214790069)
The Equiptment on Test
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 30, 2008 at 10:03 AM
By the way, the screenshot of Halle Berry is coming from the Pio 696, but passing through the VP50Pro. Most important, the source is ... Blu-r**  ;D

Incredible quality.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 30, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Ang sarap naman ng tawa ni ESi sa pictures nya.  ;D ;D

Congrats!  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: JollyBMcDonald on Jun 30, 2008 at 09:15 PM
I already updated the names, again my apologies to those whose names i forgot.  BTW, the screenshot didn't give justice to the true quality of the screen but it's just to give those who are not there an idea of what we were lookin' at during the judging.

The photo quality isn't that sharp as the lighting is not so ideal but if there'll be a next time (i hope), I'll be ready with my flash.

To iiinaslao, zedric, moks007, sanmig_ph and juancho  who i met for the 1st time, nice meeting you guys.  :)


JollyBMcDonald  8)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: eksi on Jul 01, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Ayos :D Parang NBA Conference play-offs... may seeded na players, may dark horse etc... :D
Seems 980 yung dark horse di lang umabot sa finals, parang new orleans :D
Yung 983 naman parang Boston, umpisa palang nang season alam mo nang lalaban sa finals :D
Kung may other side of the conference... anu-anu kayang gadgets yun? Baka nandun yung XBOX 360 hddvd add-on, sony bd, ht pc etc. ;D

Congrats Guys!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jul 01, 2008 at 12:32 AM

To iiinaslao, zedric, moks007, sanmig_ph and juancho  who i met for the 1st time, nice meeting you guys.  :)


JollyBMcDonald  8)

nice meeting you too sir jess. sa uulitin...  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Jul 01, 2008 at 04:52 PM
Thanks guys for sharing your findings. Really helpful to us guys considering new sources. Just a couple of questions if I may:  What's the HQV benchmark and does the close score between the PS3 and 983 mean almost the same ang performance nila sa SD upscaling?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jul 01, 2008 at 06:05 PM
What's the HQV benchmark and does the close score between the PS3 and 983 mean almost the same ang performance nila sa SD upscaling?

You can refer here for more info :)
http://www.hqv.com/benchmark.cfm

Yup, PS3 performance is very impressive too & near OPPO 983.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jul 01, 2008 at 07:26 PM
PS3 has incredible SD performance. Only problem is that it is region-locked.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ESi on Jul 01, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Ang sarap naman ng tawa ni ESi sa pictures nya.  ;D ;D

Congrats!  :)

Hehe. Aside from owning a 980, I got a US 60G PS3 too!!! Moreover, IF ever I got a PJ I wont think twice in getting a 983 myself!!! Its truly AWESOME!!!

Just reviewed by HQV score card, I couldn't believe  :o that the PS3 scored a 97 and the 983 got a 93. But I suspect it was because my eyes were fully accomodated to the lighting by the time the PS3 (which was the last player tested) was playing. But during the PQ testing, IMHO the 983 was clearly ahead. Bottomline is that one cant go wrong with any of these two players!!!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Jul 01, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Now I'm thinking twice about getting the 983 pa.  I have a PS3 and I tried just once playing SD on it - original Region 3 Transformers - but I found the quality to be far inferior to BD. Have'nt tried it recently with all the PS3 firmware upgrades though. Could those have improved the PQ?

Anyone selling a 980?  ;D 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ramsey on Jul 01, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Kailan kaya magkakaroon ng Oppo983 dito sa atin?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jul 02, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Now I'm thinking twice about getting the 983 pa.  I have a PS3 and I tried just once playing SD on it - original Region 3 Transformers - but I found the quality to be far inferior to BD. Have'nt tried it recently with all the PS3 firmware upgrades though. Could those have improved the PQ?

Anyone selling a 980?  ;D 

depends on when you upgraded your ps3 firmware and when you bought your ps3, the old 60gb ps3's factory firmware can't upscale dvds, but i think for all the 40gb ps3, the firmware that can upscale dvd are already set for those units.

but based on what i have seen, the ps3 do nice upscaling of dvds.

so it really depends on what your ps3 is, and if you have upgraded your firmware to let it upscale dvds.

update 1.8 june 2007 gives ps3 the upscaling feature.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Jul 02, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Its an Asian 80 gigger.  So many firmware upgrades I've lost track already.  Using it for BD and gaming only (MGS4 rocks!). Question:  Is it your opinion that the 980 will more than satisfy my desire to have a rockin' upscaling DVD player?  That the performance delta versus the 983 isn't so big as to justify the price diff?   :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jul 03, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Its an Asian 80 gigger.  So many firmware upgrades I've lost track already.  Using it for BD and gaming only (MGS4 rocks!). Question:  Is it your opinion that the 980 will more than satisfy my desire to have a rockin' upscaling DVD player?  That the performance delta versus the 983 isn't so big as to justify the price diff?   :)

not an expert, but based on the discussions of the participants during the shoot out, 980 is recommened for small screens as upscaler (42" down) and 981 and 983 for screens bigger than that, and of course the price is also a consideration since the 983 is more than twice the cost at $399 and $169 only for the 980.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jul 03, 2008 at 03:08 PM
After the shoot-out, I am now actually seriously considering the Oppo 980
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jul 03, 2008 at 04:43 PM
After the shoot-out, I am now actually seriously considering the Oppo 980

Me too, really itching, I'm trying to hold out as much as possible.. ;D..because I wanna check out  the toshiba superupconverts muna. This I think has the cell processor also, same as the ps3. With how the ps3 scored here in the shootout, I'm already imagining how good these toshibas can be. If they really can perform what some are saying..Wow..This is the only thing holding me back purchasing the 980 right now (my wife gave me an ultimatum on last dvd player purchase dapat) I have to get the BEST ;D, if not for this superupconverts I already clicked the Buy Now in Amazon for the 980 ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jul 03, 2008 at 04:52 PM
Me too, really itching, I'm trying to hold out as much as possible.. ;D..because I wanna check out  the toshiba superupconverts muna. This I think has the cell processor also, same as the ps3. With how the ps3 scored here in the shootout, I'm already imagining how good these toshibas can be. If they really can perform what some are saying..Wow..This is the only thing holding me back purchasing the 980 right now (my wife gave me an ultimatum on last dvd player purchase dapat) I have to get the BEST ;D, if not for this superupconverts I already clicked the Buy Now in Amazon for the 980 ;D

sir raymond, kelan ba labas nitong superupconverting player ng toshiba? looks like a good option nga, if they are employing sony's cell chip.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jul 03, 2008 at 05:19 PM
sir raymond, kelan ba labas nitong superupconverting player ng toshiba? looks like a good option nga, if they are employing sony's cell chip.

Hello sir, they said within this year ata,
check this out:
http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=67118
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Saxman on Jul 03, 2008 at 06:42 PM

Of course, the really funny thing is that the best player was probably the Popcorn pero syempre may daya yun kasi 720p material.  ;D

napabili tuloy ako ng popcorn because of this EB/Shoot out  :D  bad influence talaga tong si sir mark  ;D

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jul 03, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Hello sir, they said within this year ata,
check this out:
http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=67118


thanks sir!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jul 04, 2008 at 12:04 AM
@Moks
Yes, I am also very curious about the Toshiba Super upconverting DVD players.
I'm holding out on the 980 for now.  :D

@Saxman
I'm not too into the popcorn hour honestly.
It's impressive Yes, Sound was killer.

However, I'm the type who wants to hold something tangible.
I like looking at my DVD's  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jul 04, 2008 at 07:31 AM
napabili tuloy ako ng popcorn because of this EB/Shoot out  :D  bad influence talaga tong si sir mark  ;D



Hehe. But I don't think you'll regret it. Post mo lang feedback mo.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jul 04, 2008 at 10:25 AM
@Moks
Yes, I am also very curious about the Toshiba Super upconverting DVD players.
I'm holding out on the 980 for now.  :D

@Saxman
I'm not too into the popcorn hour honestly.
It's impressive Yes, Sound was killer.

However, I'm the type who wants to hold something tangible.
I like looking at my DVD's  ;D

bro juancho. i think sd and hd ripped contents being played from hard disks will be the wave of the future. i like you want to hold on to something tangible. but i think i might get myself one too in the near future if only to watch hd rips of tv series. which can be a clutter in terms of number of discs season per season. movies for me (as of now) will always be disc-based.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jul 04, 2008 at 10:34 AM
iiinas
Yes, I share your sentiments.
Even though it is hard to accept, HD rips will become more common place in the future.


OT: Hala! adik na pala ako  :o
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: audiojunkie on Jul 04, 2008 at 05:06 PM
After the shoot-out, I am now actually seriously considering the Oppo 980

I agree with your opinion. The shoot-out result just confirm that Oppo980 is to be considered in getting new DVD player.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: otepsy on Jul 04, 2008 at 05:43 PM
saan po ba makakabili ng oppo980 and how much? thanks
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: audiojunkie on Jul 04, 2008 at 06:40 PM
saan po ba makakabili ng oppo980 and how much? thanks

sir online; either oppodigital.com or amazon.com
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Jul 04, 2008 at 10:12 PM
saan po ba makakabili ng oppo980 and how much? thanks


otepsy, bili ka ng Oppo 980
It's worth it. I think it costs only $169.95
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: frootloops on Jul 04, 2008 at 10:25 PM
bakit nga ba walang nagbebenta dito nyan? or meron na?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ert on Jul 04, 2008 at 10:51 PM
sayang wasn't able to come sa shootout..  :(
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: otepsy on Jul 05, 2008 at 10:30 AM
wala pa ba dito sa phils na nagbbenta nyan? sayang naman
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jul 05, 2008 at 12:26 PM
I read somewhere here a shop in rockwell sells these units ata, could be the one near the theater. By the way anybody know if they have these in Hong Kong. If yes, which shop sell these units. Thanks
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: milken on Jul 06, 2008 at 03:13 PM
Nice, very interested.  ;D  Pabalita kung san available locally or in HK.  Mura na plane fare ngayon.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: leomar on Jul 06, 2008 at 05:46 PM
Hehe. But I don't think you'll regret it. Post mo lang feedback mo.  :)

PCH is great piece of equipment  ;D I can't anything negative to it, simply amazing  :o
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jul 06, 2008 at 06:19 PM
PCH is great piece of equipment  ;D I can't anything negative to it, simply amazing  :o

ot but have to be said, seeing it in action, i believe it is a great piece of av equipment. reserved a unit from ert. out of stock sya ngayon. i think a lot of pdvders are starting to hear or read about this small but terrible gear.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jul 06, 2008 at 10:13 PM
sayang wasn't able to come sa shootout..  :(

Sayang. Sana nakita at narinig mo PCH. One of the stars. Hehe.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: leomar on Jul 06, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Sayang. Sana nakita at narinig mo PCH. One of the stars. Hehe.  ;D

nakow, magandang shootout naman e PCH vs TViX 7000 vs PS3 (mkv2vob converted file)  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: frootloops on Jul 08, 2008 at 09:26 AM
Any major factor to consider in regards to the difference of  980 and 983?  TIA
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: otepsy on Jul 08, 2008 at 09:45 AM
otepsy, bili ka ng Oppo 980
It's worth it. I think it costs only $169.95

oo nga kaya lang intay ko na lang baka magkaroon tayo ng av store na magbenta..
calling S&S and TW...
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jul 08, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Any major factor to consider in regards to the difference of  980 and 983?  TIA

I think the major difference is the chipset used for deinterlacing/scaling. 983 has more advanced chipset. That's why nanalo sya sa shoot-out.

Having said that, the 980 is also pretty good, or at least better than the Pio 600. On a smaller screen, say 42" and below, I think it will be very hard to tell the difference between the 2.

Paul Chin should chime in since he has the 983. Also the other guys who attended the shoot-out
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ericgnu on Jul 08, 2008 at 12:57 PM
sir streetsmart,

would you say na pareho na halos ang pq ng 980 and dv600 on a 32" lcd (panny)?

I have a lx77 32" and am doing a lot of research... whether getting the 980 would be worth it.. or is the dv600 good enough na?

your comment much appreciated.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: frootloops on Jul 08, 2008 at 01:19 PM

I think the major difference is the chipset used for deinterlacing/scaling. 983 has more advanced chipset. That's why nanalo sya sa shoot-out.

Having said that, the 980 is also pretty good, or at least better than the Pio 600. On a smaller screen, say 42" and below, I think it will be very hard to tell the difference between the 2.

Paul Chin should chime in since he has the 983. Also the other guys who attended the shoot-out

How about for pj with 70-90" screen? Would you still suggest the 980 or better get the 983 instead? Many thanks sir mark.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jul 08, 2008 at 01:21 PM
sir streetsmart,

would you say na pareho na halos ang pq ng 980 and dv600 on a 32" lcd (panny)?

I have a lx77 32" and am doing a lot of research... whether getting the 980 would be worth it.. or is the dv600 good enough na?

your comment much appreciated.

If your screen is 32", I don't think it will be worth it to get a 980. Ok na ang Pio 600.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jul 08, 2008 at 01:23 PM
How about for pj with 70-90" screen? Would you still suggest the 980 or better get the 983 instead? Many thanks sir mark.

For that size of screen, I would say that the 983 is worth it.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jul 08, 2008 at 04:26 PM

Having said that, the 980 is also pretty good, or at least better than the Pio 600. On a smaller screen, say 42" and below, I think it will be very hard to tell the difference between the 2.

Agree with Mark. For display size 50" and below, OPPO 980 should be sufficient to meet your requirement esp after considering the price of OPPO 983 which is overkill IMO.

For those who have big display screen or own projectors then I'd say go for OPPO 983 if there's no objection on the price.

**I'm still drooling over Mark's VP50pro. :P
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ESi on Jul 08, 2008 at 09:01 PM
**I'm still drooling over Mark's VP50pro. :P

Who isn't? ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: peterpan on Jul 10, 2008 at 11:00 PM
hi. to Oppo users/experts.... sorry is dumb question but i just got my Oppo 981.  is it ideal to connect the HDMI connection directly to the TV or receiver? i used a Pioneer LX-50 receiver?   ???  was thinking if the upconverting capabilities of the receiver would conflict with the Oppo.

thanks!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jul 11, 2008 at 09:49 AM
hi. to Oppo users/experts.... sorry is dumb question but i just got my Oppo 981.  is it ideal to connect the HDMI connection directly to the TV or receiver? i used a Pioneer LX-50 receiver?   ???  was thinking if the upconverting capabilities of the receiver would conflict with the Oppo.

thanks!

It's normally not recommended to have dual upconverting, i.e., upconverting at the player and then upconverting at the receiver. Therefore, connecting the 981 directly to the TV is probably correct because of the advanced upconverting capability of the player.

If you want to experiment, try to send a raw video signal (480i) from the 981 to your receiver. Activate the upconverting feature of the receiver and connect it to the TV.

You can choose which one you prefer. You will likely prefer the 981 direct to the TV.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: peterpan on Jul 11, 2008 at 11:34 AM
It's normally not recommended to have dual upconverting, i.e., upconverting at the player and then upconverting at the receiver. Therefore, connecting the 981 directly to the TV is probably correct because of the advanced upconverting capability of the player.

If you want to experiment, try to send a raw video signal (480i) from the 981 to your receiver. Activate the upconverting feature of the receiver and connect it to the TV.

You can choose which one you prefer. You will likely prefer the 981 direct to the TV.

@ streetsmart -- i appreciate the reply. thanks! i will try that later. have a few more questions if you don't mind.

i connected the Oppo directly to my receiver... receiver outputs directly to TV via HDMI. when i first tried playing the disc, was impressed by the results. but i realized later that the Oppo was set only at 480p so i guess that's where the receiver did the upconverting as you mentioned right?  anyway, when i switched the Oppo to 1080p -- you can really tell the difference -- video wise. 

however, i don't understand why when i set it to 1080p, the sound sort of skips, or briefly stops as if it's not in sync for around a second or 2.  the display on my receiver flashes from "Dolby Digital" to "Dial Norm+2" and back to Dolby when sound resumes.  I don't know what it means.  It doesn't happen when i set the Oppo to 1080i or lower.  i tried 2 Region 1 discs and a Region 3 and experienced the same thing. any ideas?

i have yet to try if it will happen if i connect the Oppo directly to TV via HDMI and output the sound thru the receiver via an optical cable.  i'll also try Oppo to receiver via HDMI, but use optical cable to output the sound.

thanks again.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jul 11, 2008 at 11:51 AM
@ streetsmart -- i appreciate the reply. thanks! i will try that later. have a few more questions if you don't mind.

i connected the Oppo directly to my receiver... receiver outputs directly to TV via HDMI. when i first tried playing the disc, was impressed by the results. but i realized later that the Oppo was set only at 480p so i guess that's where the receiver did the upconverting as you mentioned right?  anyway, when i switched the Oppo to 1080p -- you can really tell the difference -- video wise. 

however, i don't understand why when i set it to 1080p, the sound sort of skips, or briefly stops as if it's not in sync for around a second or 2.  the display on my receiver flashes from "Dolby Digital" to "Dial Norm+2" and back to Dolby when sound resumes.  I don't know what it means.  It doesn't happen when i set the Oppo to 1080i or lower.  i tried 2 Region 1 discs and a Region 3 and experienced the same thing. any ideas?

i have yet to try if it will happen if i connect the Oppo directly to TV via HDMI and output the sound thru the receiver via an optical cable.  i'll also try Oppo to receiver via HDMI, but use optical cable to output the sound.

thanks again.

Its normal.  Its does so when there is a transition from one audio format to another and back..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: peterpan on Jul 11, 2008 at 12:02 PM
thanks oreoshake.  it happens when the movie is playing so it should play Dolby Digital throughout right?  when the sound skips, you miss dialogs in the movie plus it can be irritating. how can that be normal?  ???  parang CD sya na tumatalon.  and as mentioned, it happens when i set the Oppo to 1080p.  i'm using naman a full HD tv.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jul 11, 2008 at 12:12 PM
thanks oreoshake.  it happens when the movie is playing so it should play Dolby Digital throughout right?  when the sound skips, you miss dialogs in the movie plus it can be irritating. how can that be normal?  ???  parang CD sya na tumatalon.  and as mentioned, it happens when i set the Oppo to 1080p.  i'm using naman a full HD tv.

do you have this while in the middle of the movie or during the start only?  Because if it is in the middle of the movie then its abnormal.  You may have some audio drop-outs probably due to a problem in you AVR.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: peterpan on Jul 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM
@ oreoshake -- yes middle of the movie. not the start.  don't think it's the AVR. i run my PS3 and another DVD player thru my AVR and no problems naman.  don't know if its the OPPO or a wrong setting. it doesn't happen when the Oppo is set to 1080i or lower.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jul 11, 2008 at 12:25 PM
the display on my receiver flashes from "Dolby Digital" to "Dial Norm+2" and back to Dolby when sound resumes.  

I usually get this during the beginning of the movie when there is a transition from the introduction of the movie to the 1st track or chapter of the movie but not in the middle of the movie.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Jul 11, 2008 at 12:29 PM
@ streetsmart -- i appreciate the reply. thanks! i will try that later. have a few more questions if you don't mind.

i connected the Oppo directly to my receiver... receiver outputs directly to TV via HDMI. when i first tried playing the disc, was impressed by the results. but i realized later that the Oppo was set only at 480p so i guess that's where the receiver did the upconverting as you mentioned right?  anyway, when i switched the Oppo to 1080p -- you can really tell the difference -- video wise. 

however, i don't understand why when i set it to 1080p, the sound sort of skips, or briefly stops as if it's not in sync for around a second or 2.  the display on my receiver flashes from "Dolby Digital" to "Dial Norm+2" and back to Dolby when sound resumes.  I don't know what it means.  It doesn't happen when i set the Oppo to 1080i or lower.  i tried 2 Region 1 discs and a Region 3 and experienced the same thing. any ideas?

i have yet to try if it will happen if i connect the Oppo directly to TV via HDMI and output the sound thru the receiver via an optical cable.  i'll also try Oppo to receiver via HDMI, but use optical cable to output the sound.

thanks again.

Sir pls let me know your feedback on the 981 when you plug it straight to your tv (also how big is your tv?, for purposes of comparing bec I just have a 46 inch). Thanks
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: notarius on Jul 11, 2008 at 01:05 PM
Hay...finally my payment process at Oppo Digital was successful! :D

Payment Details (PayPal)
Transaction ID: XYZ
Item Price: $413.00 USD
Total: $413.00 USD
Order Description:  1 OPPO DV-983H 1080p Up-Converting Universal DVD Player with ABT and 7.1CH Audio
Buyer: PChin
Ship to: ATTN: PinoyDVD.com/PChin, Johnny Air Cargo, 69-04 Roosevelt Avenue, Woodside, USA

Sir,

May we know how much JAC charged you to ship to Manila?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Jul 11, 2008 at 01:22 PM
Sir,

May we know how much JAC charged you to ship to Manila?

mas mabigat kasi ito kaysa sa 981, but a fellow member told me na for his 981, he paid jac around 5k, lahat lahat na.  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Jul 11, 2008 at 01:31 PM
however, i don't understand why when i set it to 1080p, the sound sort of skips, or briefly stops as if it's not in sync for around a second or 2.  the display on my receiver flashes from "Dolby Digital" to "Dial Norm+2" and back to Dolby when sound resumes.  I don't know what it means.  It doesn't happen when i set the Oppo to 1080i or lower.  i tried 2 Region 1 discs and a Region 3 and experienced the same thing. any ideas?

i have yet to try if it will happen if i connect the Oppo directly to TV via HDMI and output the sound thru the receiver via an optical cable.  i'll also try Oppo to receiver via HDMI, but use optical cable to output the sound.

I think that "Dial Norm+2" refers to "Dialogue Normalization." That should happen only when you start playing the disc. If it happens in the middle of the movie, there's a problem.

I suspect it is the HDMI cable. As you said, try to connect the player direct to the display and then use optical cable to the AVR for the sound. That should be more stable. Quite often kasi, maraming problema ang HDMI cable connection.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jul 11, 2008 at 02:18 PM
Sir,

May we know how much JAC charged you to ship to Manila?

You can check earlier posts, I included the shiping cost details. If not mistaken it's less than 3k but since the US$ is getting stronger now expect to pay higher.  :-[
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: peterpan on Jul 11, 2008 at 04:22 PM
I think that "Dial Norm+2" refers to "Dialogue Normalization." That should happen only when you start playing the disc. If it happens in the middle of the movie, there's a problem.

I suspect it is the HDMI cable. As you said, try to connect the player direct to the display and then use optical cable to the AVR for the sound. That should be more stable. Quite often kasi, maraming problema ang HDMI cable connection.

Yep it happens in the middle movie. I used the supplied HDMI cable with Oppo and also tried a bnew Monster HDMI cable rin but same result. Weird lang talaga ma when at 1080i setting naman ok sya.  anyway, will try to connect it to the TVs HDMI nalang tonight as you have advised and see if the problem goes away or i guess i'd have to settle with a 1080i setting. so far, my eye can't tell the difference sa video when compared with 1080p.

Sir pls let me know your feedback on the 981 when you plug it straight to your tv (also how big is your tv?, for purposes of comparing bec I just have a 46 inch). Thanks

sure. but note that i won't be able to give you a detailed technical comparison. :)  i'm fairly new at this.  i use a 40inch braviaX.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: peterpan on Jul 21, 2008 at 02:09 PM
I finally got to connect my Oppo 981 straight to the TV via HDMI, and the sound through the Pioneer LX50 via optical cable.  PQ is excellent although my untrained eye couldn't tell difference between straight to TV connection or if the Oppo is connected straight to the receiver.  A side by side comparison would have helped.

Would really prefer to pass video/audio direct to the receiver via HDMI so i can control all my connections thru it.  but as mentioned in ealier posts, i wasn't able to resolve that "Dialogue Normalization" thing that happens frequently in the middle of the movie if i set the Oppo to upscale to 1080p.  i can only have a problem-free connection if i set it at 1080i.  i don't know if it's a bug in my Oppo unit or the receiver. I will be testing my receiver pag dating nun Oppo unit of my bro.  Anyone else have any idea how i can correct the problem or if you think ok na rin that i just set the Oppo to upscale at 1080i.  Di ko rin alam kasi difference.  ??? This is all new to me pa.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Jul 31, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Got a notice from OPPO. For those who are interested:

Dear Valued OPPO Customer,

Thank you for your interest in the OPPO DV-983H, the new flagship model in OPPO's line of award-winning up-converting DVD players. You are receiving this e-mail because you have signed up to be notified of the OPPO DV-983H's availability. A new shipment of the OPPO DV-983H has arrived and we have reserved a limited supply for customers like yourself who have signed up to be on the OPPO DV-983H priority waiting list. Since you requested to be notified of the OPPO DV-983H's availability, we would like to give you an opportunity to purchase an OPPO DV-983H while supplies last.
 
Cut and paste the special link below in to your browser to place your order.
 
www.oppodigital.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DV983H-VIP&partner=VIP
 
This special link will be available until August 5, 2008. Orders for the DV-983H will be processed on a first come, first served basis. Your credit card will not be charged until your order is shipped. Orders for the DV-983H are typically shipped within 1 business day.
 
OPPO Sales Specialists are ready to help you with any questions you may have regarding OPPO products.  You may call us at 1-650-961-1118, Monday - Friday 9 am to 5:30 pm PST,  or visit our website www.oppodigital.com/dv983h to learn more about the OPPO DV-983H DVD player.
 
This is the last email regarding the OPPO DV-983H's availability.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jul 31, 2008 at 11:41 AM
I finally got to connect my Oppo 981 straight to the TV via HDMI, and the sound through the Pioneer LX50 via optical cable.  PQ is excellent although my untrained eye couldn't tell difference between straight to TV connection or if the Oppo is connected straight to the receiver.  A side by side comparison would have helped.

Would really prefer to pass video/audio direct to the receiver via HDMI so i can control all my connections thru it.  but as mentioned in ealier posts, i wasn't able to resolve that "Dialogue Normalization" thing that happens frequently in the middle of the movie if i set the Oppo to upscale to 1080p.  i can only have a problem-free connection if i set it at 1080i.  i don't know if it's a bug in my Oppo unit or the receiver. I will be testing my receiver pag dating nun Oppo unit of my bro.  Anyone else have any idea how i can correct the problem or if you think ok na rin that i just set the Oppo to upscale at 1080i.  Di ko rin alam kasi difference.  ??? This is all new to me pa.  :)

It's better if you email OPPO directly regarding this problem..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: cousin skeeter on Aug 06, 2008 at 02:14 AM
To me the shocker was the 980 ;D..I'm thinking tuloy to get this player ;D
Looks so goooood for the price..Man it looks excellent against ps3 and xa2 considering the price difference. If money is no object, I would get the 983 hehe..
Ya I agree bec of time constraint we cant calibrate every player. I just wish we calibrated the 981 bec it really looked bad, there is something wrong ;D.


Sirs, was reading on Oppo DVD players on Amazon, the 981 seems to have issues with Sony rear projection TVs, probably the reason of its poor performance in the shootout. I copy/pasted the customer review below including reply from Oppo.

http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000LU8A7E/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_3?%5Fencoding=UTF8&filterBy=addThreeStar

28 of 28 people found the following review helpful:

Make sure it's compatible with your TV, September 13, 2007
By  Richard Newton (Saratoga, CA USA) - See all my reviews
     

If you have a rear projection TV, you may want to consider the DV-980H instead. I have a Sony KDS-60A3000 rear-projection TV. In the forum on avsforum in the Sony KDS-XXA3000 thread, a user posted this message from Oppo customer support:

"LCoS in the SXRD systems is still prone to macroblock enhancement errors. It is not as pronounced as DLP, but it still exists. For this reason, we never recommend the use of the DV-981HD for RPTV, as there will likely be blocking errors.

Secondly, the previous generation SXRD displays did not respond well to the output of the DV-981HD due to bad handshaking errors with your display and proper colorspace. This causes some users to see "green push".

For your display we would recommend the use of the DV-980H. This player will produce the cleanest, sharpest picture on your RPTV display.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
453 Ravendale Dr, Suite D
Mountain View, CA 94043
[email protected]
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119"
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Aug 06, 2008 at 10:07 AM
There is actually a comparison chart for all models of the OPPO DVD player and it is stated in this chart what model is compatible with the type of TV that you have

CLICK ME (http://oppodigital.com/dv980h/dv980h_comp.asp)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: cousin skeeter on Aug 06, 2008 at 10:46 AM
There is actually a comparison chart for all models of the OPPO DVD player and it is stated in this chart what model is compatible with the type of TV that you have

CLICK ME (http://oppodigital.com/dv980h/dv980h_comp.asp)

From the chart, it seems that only the 981 uses the Faroudja chip. I was assuming all 3 of them were. I did read in another forum that the Faroudja DCDi chip is the one causing the macroblocking problems so its not limited to the 981 only. Some users were complaining of this issue on their Denon dvd players.

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sechiong on Aug 07, 2008 at 08:45 PM
hinde pala puede mag-order direct sa oppo special kung oppo dv-983, hindi pala sila nagdedeliver sa pilipinas. :-[
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Aug 07, 2008 at 08:55 PM
hinde pala puede mag-order direct sa oppo special kung oppo dv-983, hindi pala sila nagdedeliver sa pilipinas. :-[

You can order online but have it delivered to JAC-NJ.. JAC-NJ will then ship it here in the Philippines.. You have to be a member of JAC before you have items delivered to its US address..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sechiong on Aug 07, 2008 at 09:02 PM
You can order online but have it delivered to JAC-NJ.. JAC-NJ will then ship it here in the Philippines.. You have to be a member of JAC before you have items delivered to its US address..

@oreoshake


may i know how can i do that?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Aug 07, 2008 at 09:09 PM
@oreoshake


may i know how can i do that?

Here's a quote from Aura Black of JAC-Philippines:

Hi guys!  Aura Black here,  Smiley  Allow me to thank all of you for your continued support on JOHNNY AIR's services.  And Mr. DFD, thank you very much for making this site available for us.

I want to make this short and simple as possible to make it clear for everyone interested with our services:

1.  Your shipment is not limited to DVDs as long as the item is not restricted, prohibited or banned.
2.  Your special rate as a PINOYDVD member applies to shipments forwarded to JAC-NY and JAC-HK (we have branches in LAX & SFO).
3.  Yes, JAC-HK exists run by 1 staff, Eric Manuel.  Suppliers / forwarders must call his mobile first prior to any deliveries.
4.  Minimum of 1 lb. per invoice at $ 6.00/lb + discounted handling fee of $ 5.00 for a week's shipment from JAC-NY (received from Monday to Saturday).
5.  Please register first to avail of the special rates. Kindly ask for the TSA FORM at our Makati Head office or at JAC- Megamall branch.  Inform them you are a PINOYDVD member.
6.  We may e-mail you the forms, rates and procedures if it is more convenient.  Simply text your e-mail address to 0917-8280788 / 0917-3897434.  Or e-mail us at [email protected], [email protected] or [email protected]  However, you still have to download, print and submit said TSA form with photocopies of 2 valid I.D.s.
7.  If your shipment is not expensive nor highly taxable but bulky & heavy, we still offer a discount on the weight charges.  JAC rates are flexible.  We just need to be informed.
8. Last, marunong po akong mag-tagalog kaya huwag kayong mahiya, pangalan ko lang ang imported  Wink

We welcome comments and suggestions because we still need to improve our craft.  And watch out for the launching of  JOHNNY AIR's online shopping solutions - "YOU SHOP, WE SHIP".  Everything will be done on-line, even the registration - simple and fast.

Hope to see you guys on this formal launching.

Maraming maraming salamat po...

Aura B.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: notarius on Aug 11, 2008 at 11:23 PM
mas mabigat kasi ito kaysa sa 981, but a fellow member told me na for his 981, he paid jac around 5k, lahat lahat na.  ;)
Posted this in another thread, but you folks would be pleased to know that shipping cost of my 981 via JAC NY was only P2,635.00.  I got it yesterday, and enjoying every minute of it.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Aug 11, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Posted this in another thread, but you folks would be pleased to know that shipping cost of my 981 via JAC NY was only P2,635.00.  I got it yesterday, and enjoying every minute of it.

Congrats on your 981!!!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sechiong on Aug 12, 2008 at 07:05 AM
Posted this in another thread, but you folks would be pleased to know that shipping cost of my 981 via JAC NY was only P2,635.00.  I got it yesterday, and enjoying every minute of it.


did JAC delivered it directly to your destination?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: notarius on Aug 12, 2008 at 09:27 AM
Nah! Megamall pick-up.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Aug 12, 2008 at 09:38 AM
Nah! Megamall pick-up.

Sir did you order from amazon or directly from oppo. Just to give me an idea of how much my 980 will cost ;D, I ordered from amazon, sometimes kasi amazon double box. Thanks
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Aug 12, 2008 at 10:26 AM
Sir did you order from amazon or directly from oppo. Just to give me an idea of how much my 980 will cost ;D, I ordered from amazon, sometimes kasi amazon double box. Thanks

Raymund, if you ordered directly from Amazon, siguradong double box yun. If you used a 3rd party, there's a good chance na single box lang.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: notarius on Aug 12, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Sir did you order from amazon or directly from oppo. Just to give me an idea of how much my 980 will cost ;D, I ordered from amazon, sometimes kasi amazon double box. Thanks
Neither.  I ordered via Ebay. Paid $135 +24.99 shipping. I don't have a price for the 980. My 981 came in a single box. I estimate the incremental weight of the 2nd box not to exceed two lbs.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: TOY 01 on Aug 12, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Available na po sa amazon yun OPPO 983H.... $399.99
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Aug 12, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Sir did you order from amazon or directly from oppo. Just to give me an idea of how much my 980 will cost ;D, I ordered from amazon, sometimes kasi amazon double box. Thanks

You can order directly from Oppodigital.com.. They don't double-box.. Kung ano ung box ng unit, un na un..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Aug 12, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Neither.  I ordered via Ebay. Paid $135 +24.99 shipping. I don't have a price for the 980. My 981 came in a single box. I estimate the incremental weight of the 2nd box not to exceed two lbs.

You can actually request the seller not to double-box and just wrap the boxed unit with shipping paper..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Aug 12, 2008 at 01:05 PM
Raymund, if you ordered directly from Amazon, siguradong double box yun. If you used a 3rd party, there's a good chance na single box lang.

Neither.  I ordered via Ebay. Paid $135 +24.99 shipping. I don't have a price for the 980. My 981 came in a single box. I estimate the incremental weight of the 2nd box not to exceed two lbs.

You can order directly from Oppodigital.com.. They don't double-box.. Kung ano ung box ng unit, un na un..

Thanks guys, ya ordered from amazon..  I think mine maybe will cost around 3 to 4 thou by JAC.  :'(.. Hopefully not more than this, sana less than 3 thou I'm very very happy na..

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: audiojunkie on Aug 12, 2008 at 01:19 PM
You can order directly from Oppodigital.com.. They don't double-box.. Kung ano ung box ng unit, un na un..

yap! ordered other model arrived in original box. walang namang problema...  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: leomar on Aug 12, 2008 at 05:57 PM
yap! ordered other model arrived in original box. walang namang problema...  ;D

ayunoh, tagyaman yata ngayon a hehehe
congrats sir audiojunkie!  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sechiong on Aug 13, 2008 at 07:34 AM
wanted to buy sa oppodigital kaso wala silang 30' hdmi to hdmi cable baka sa amazon nalang.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: audiojunkie on Aug 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM
ayunoh, tagyaman yata ngayon a hehehe
congrats sir audiojunkie!  ;D

thanks! sir leomar, kelangan na ring palitan 'tong DVp ko. marami rin dito mga brands & models pero sa mga features ng Oppo kahit mahal ng kunti sa ibang normal DVp sulit pa rin....  :o  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sechiong on Aug 14, 2008 at 08:42 PM
You can order directly from Oppodigital.com.. They don't double-box.. Kung ano ung box ng unit, un na un..

@OREOSHAKE

tumatanggap ba ang Oppo ng credit card natin? hindi ba ang mastercard and visa ay international credit card.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Aug 14, 2008 at 10:16 PM
@OREOSHAKE

tumatanggap ba ang Oppo ng credit card natin? hindi ba ang mastercard and visa ay international credit card.

Yes.  Just email Oppodigital.com first that you will be using a Philippine-issued credit card.  They will instruct you how to check-out from their website using your credit card.. I used my local-bank issued credit card to pay for my 983..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: audiojunkie on Aug 14, 2008 at 10:29 PM
I paid my order thru paypal and my paypal account outside U.S.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 21, 2008 at 12:10 AM
pa-ot lang guys ha ..
i remembered during your upscaler shootout that the ps3 did good, ranked #3 ba?
anyway, i have an htpc around 15k worth (less), (without the branded psu) .. and it upscaled my dvd a bit better that ps3 ...
maybe we can include my htpc on your next shooutout    ...
this will benefit our members that are planning to setup an htpc or are already using one ..  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: milken on Aug 21, 2008 at 09:33 AM
pa-ot lang guys ha ..
i remembered during your upscaler shootout that the ps3 did good, ranked #3 ba?
anyway, i have an htpc around 15k worth (less), (without the branded psu) .. and it upscaled my dvd a bit better that ps3 ...
maybe we can include my htpc on your next shooutout    ...
this will benefit our members that are planning to setup an htpc or are already using one ..  :)

What's the specs of your htpc?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 21, 2008 at 11:37 AM
What's the specs of your htpc?
amd 4600 x2 (recommended is at 4200 x2)
780G pro motherboard (builtin video out thru HDMI up to 1080p *im switching between 1080i and 720p)
250gb seagate HDD
dvdrom drive (borrowed from a friend*planning to get a bluray rom still unavailable for 2 months already)
gigabyte superb psu 550 watts
2x1gb team elite dual channel rams

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: dencio105 on Aug 21, 2008 at 01:12 PM
Neither.  I ordered via Ebay. Paid $135 +24.99 shipping. I don't have a price for the 980. My 981 came in a single box. I estimate the incremental weight of the 2nd box not to exceed two lbs.

Mukhang good buy na yun e-bay source since the total including the delivery(to the Philippines?) would only be $159.99 which is less than the price from Amazon and Oppo. Is this brand new? Anyway I also searched for Oppo at e-bay and here's what I found: http://cgi.ebay.ph/OPPO-UNIVERSAL-DVD-PLAYER-1080p-UPCONVERT-FREE-HDMI-NEW_W0QQitemZ260276742021QQihZ016QQcategoryZ15077QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: otepsy on Aug 21, 2008 at 02:14 PM
what's the recommended oppo model for 42-50" Plasma (Panasonic)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Aug 21, 2008 at 02:23 PM
what's the recommended oppo model for 42-50" Plasma (Panasonic)

if its 42" i think 980 and 983 oks, pag 50" 981 and 983.

based on their reco, 980 for small screen 42" below, 981 for 42" up and for 983, anything goes.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: otepsy on Aug 21, 2008 at 02:34 PM
if its 42" i think 980 and 983 oks, pag 50" 981 and 983.

based on their reco, 980 for small screen 42" below, 981 for 42" up and for 983, anything goes.

thanks for the quick reply im planning kasi to get one for my 42pv70 and also if time comes na mag upgrade ako to 50" and another question is how far is the difference vs dv600 (ito kasi gamit ko ngayon) would you say na worth ba ang oppo 983? thanks
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Aug 21, 2008 at 03:37 PM
thanks for the quick reply im planning kasi to get one for my 42pv70 and also if time comes na mag upgrade ako to 50" and another question is how far is the difference vs dv600 (ito kasi gamit ko ngayon) would you say na worth ba ang oppo 983? thanks

sa shootout kasi nung mga upscalers dun kina sir streetsmart, the 983 was the champion, dv-600 placed 6th if i'm not mistaken, will there be difference, yup, night and day difference? personally, sa screen nga ni sir streetsmart (120" or bigger pa ata) it was really hard to tell na the difference, except for the better blacks and color of oppo, down to a 42" incher screen i think the difference might even get smaller. but definitely better, kahit mag 50" ka, i think a 980 or 981 ok na, laki din kasi price difference sa 983.  ;D

btw, the 980 actually performed better than the 981 sa shootout, kaya shock kami noon, although may issues sa settings ng 981 nun that is why the player did not shine as it should.

try to back read this thread, you will get the feel of all the players you are considering.   ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: otepsy on Aug 21, 2008 at 04:14 PM
do you think kung right settings ng 981 mas ok sya sa 980...?

pero kung i compare natin yung dv600 sa 980 malaki ba difference. thanks pinakamura ba sa 3 models yung 980?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: audiojunkie on Aug 21, 2008 at 04:20 PM
do you think kung right settings ng 981 mas ok sya sa 980...?

pero kung i compare natin yung dv600 sa 980 malaki ba difference. thanks pinakamura ba sa 3 models yung 980?

yes, that's why I already got one being on a budget...  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: JAQY888 on Aug 21, 2008 at 04:26 PM
do you think kung right settings ng 981 mas ok sya sa 980...?

pero kung i compare natin yung dv600 sa 980 malaki ba difference. thanks pinakamura ba sa 3 models yung 980?

The 980 is the cheapest among the three OPPO models. It carries a $169.99 price tag (SRP). 981's SRP is $229.00, while the 983 is priced at $399.00.

your can check out more info about OPPO HERE (http://oppodigital.com/)  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Aug 21, 2008 at 04:29 PM
do you think kung right settings ng 981 mas ok sya sa 980...?

it should, kasi on paper, mas maganda advance and chipset na gamit nya for upscaling.

pero kung i compare natin yung dv600 sa 980 malaki ba difference. thanks pinakamura ba sa 3 models yung 980?

i think sir audio junkie has answered your question already. its i think (i maybe wrong here) its 170$ for 980, 230$ for 981 and 399$ for 983

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: otepsy on Aug 21, 2008 at 04:47 PM
thanks to all of you (iiinaslao, audiojunkie & jayq888) ipon mode na ko hehehe..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Aug 21, 2008 at 05:54 PM
The 980 is the cheapest among the three OPPO models. It carries a $169.99 price tag (SRP). 981's SRP is $229.00, while the 983 is priced at $399.00.

your can check out more info about OPPO HERE (http://oppodigital.com/)  ;D

sadly plus Tax pa :( :( :( and an option to extend the warranty na very tempting ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Aug 21, 2008 at 07:02 PM
sadly plus Tax pa :( :( :( and an option to extend the warranty na very tempting ;D

no tax if you send it thru JAC-NJ..  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sechiong on Aug 21, 2008 at 08:56 PM
safe kaya mag-order ng oppo dvd player sa offline nila then fax it to them?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: siapnoid on Aug 21, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Quote
Mukhang good buy na yun e-bay source since the total including the delivery(to the Philippines?) would only be $159.99 which is less than the price from Amazon and Oppo. Is this brand new? Anyway I also searched for Oppo at e-bay and here's what I found: http://cgi.ebay.ph/OPPO-UNIVERSAL-DVD-PLAYER-1080p-UPCONVERT-FREE-HDMI-NEW_W0QQitemZ260276742021QQihZ016QQcategoryZ15077QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem

Sir this auction is still 4 days away, the price would surely increase a few hours before it ends, i was able to win a oppo dv-981, but i didnt send it through JAC, coz the seller is charging $20 within any state, plus arnd $70 for JAC-nj to Phils, total of $90 unlike if the seller sends it to Phils directly total of $57 lang, fedex pa. hehe  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: dencio105 on Aug 22, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Sir this auction is still 4 days away, the price would surely increase a few hours before it ends, i was able to win a oppo dv-981, but i didnt send it through JAC, coz the seller is charging $20 within any state, plus arnd $70 for JAC-nj to Phils, total of $90 unlike if the seller sends it to Phils directly total of $57 lang, fedex pa. hehe  :)

Yup I'm sure it will still increase before the bid closing. I thought that Notarius got a good deal with his Oppo dv981 but reading back I am now confused ??? as to how much did it cost him:

Posted this in another thread, but you folks would be pleased to know that shipping cost of my 981 via JAC NY was only P2,635.00.  I got it yesterday, and enjoying every minute of it.
Sir did you order from amazon or directly from oppo. Just to give me an idea of how much my 980 will cost ;D, I ordered from amazon, sometimes kasi amazon double box. Thanks
Neither.  I ordered via Ebay. Paid $135 +24.99 shipping. I don't have a price for the 980. My 981 came in a single box. I estimate the incremental weight of the 2nd box not to exceed two lbs.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Aug 22, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Yup I'm sure it will still increase before the bid closing. I thought that Notarius got a good deal with his Oppo dv981 but reading back I am now confused ??? as to how much did it cost him:


i emailed the davedotcom seller of this oppo 981, and i ask him if its a buy it now, how much he would sell it to me, me quoted me 150$ for the player, and 20$ for shipment within continental usa. if this is the case then i have to pay jac still, mahal na. but definitely the 981 is cheaper than oppo's offering which is 230$ kaya 50 $ savings na rin.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Aug 22, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Sir this auction is still 4 days away, the price would surely increase a few hours before it ends, i was able to win a oppo dv-981, but i didnt send it through JAC, coz the seller is charging $20 within any state, plus arnd $70 for JAC-nj to Phils, total of $90 unlike if the seller sends it to Phils directly total of $57 lang, fedex pa. hehe  :)

the problem if u send it thru fedex ay baka ma charge ka pa ng customs tax.. dagdag din un..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: frootloops on Aug 23, 2008 at 12:09 AM
How much is the landing cost for lets say....ordering 980 or 981 at their site shipped to JAC then Manila? TIA
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Superman on Aug 23, 2008 at 02:05 AM
Sa Singapore mga P13,000 ang 981 :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: sechiong on Aug 23, 2008 at 07:06 AM
i just check the 983 from amazon and is $399.99 with free shipping within the usa, kung dito na ako bibili and shipped to JAC-NJ makakamura ng kaunti compare sa oppodigital with $14 shipping cost.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: notarius on Aug 23, 2008 at 09:49 AM
How much is the landing cost for lets say....ordering 980 or 981 at their site shipped to JAC then Manila? TIA
2 weeks ago at then prevailing US$ exchange rate, I paid JAC P2635.00.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Aug 23, 2008 at 10:55 AM
i just check the 983 from amazon and is $399.99 with free shipping within the usa, kung dito na ako bibili and shipped to JAC-NJ makakamura ng kaunti compare sa oppodigital with $14 shipping cost.

You won't really know how they box the item.. If its electronics, amazon will usually double box it and you will pay more sa JAC-NY because they will calculate it per volume weight if the box is big..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Aug 23, 2008 at 01:39 PM
no tax if you send it thru JAC-NJ..  ;D ;D ;D

I mean sales tax :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: frootloops on Aug 23, 2008 at 01:54 PM
2 weeks ago at then prevailing US$ exchange rate, I paid JAC P2635.00.

Pwede na. thanks!  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: siapnoid on Aug 23, 2008 at 03:16 PM
I have a friend who bought a 981 through oppo website and sent it thru JAC. Total of 12lbs shipping cost paid to JAC was P3,400.  :o
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: nerveblocker on Aug 23, 2008 at 03:26 PM
LBC in the NJ area presently has a discounted balikbayan box rate of only $35 but is only good until the end of August.  Bili na!  ;D

Got this email from my brother in NJ:

Quote
Hi,
Saw this full page ad at The FILIPINO REPORTER Newspaper that Papa has downstairs.
$35 Promo Period from 8/1- 8/31 to Metro Manila and Luzon Only.
$40 to Visayas and Mindanao. Box size: 28X18X17 (looks like rectangle box)
Pick up of boxes should be scheduled before 8/31 to avail of the promo price.
To schedule free pick-up, pls call 800- 522-9507

The rates of other shipment of balikbayan boxes to PI here are:
NO WEIGHT RESTRICTION on all BBOXES
UMAC 908-964-9088
$65
 35-40 days max arrive in Metro Manila
Sat free pickup ok


LBC 201-434-8454  $65 (after 8/31/08)

FOREX 800.549.7113 $69
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: frootloops on Aug 23, 2008 at 07:32 PM
I have a friend who bought a 981 through oppo website and sent it thru JAC. Total of 12lbs shipping cost paid to JAC was P3,400.  :o

Did your friend bother to ask why his was higher than your's?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 25, 2008 at 10:03 AM
i mentioned this to my officemate..and he told me that he's not gonna have problems having electronic/AV devices getting in our country ..
if you guys want .. ill ask him to join pdvd .. humihingi kasi ng patong eh .. lolz
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Aug 25, 2008 at 10:37 AM
i mentioned this to my officemate..and he told me that he's not gonna have problems having electronic/AV devices getting in our country ..
if you guys want .. ill ask him to join pdvd .. humihingi kasi ng patong eh .. lolz

wala naman problem kung papatong, basta reasonable at reliable, and of course after patong should be cheaper than buying locally, kasi syempre, one of the things that's good buynig locally is because of the warranty, but if the price (including service fee) is still significantly lower, some people will risk the warranty. i know i will.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 25, 2008 at 11:26 AM
wala naman problem kung papatong, basta reasonable at reliable, and of course after patong should be cheaper than buying locally, kasi syempre, one of the things that's good buynig locally is because of the warranty, but if the price (including service fee) is still significantly lower, some people will risk the warranty. i know i will.  ;D
what is the current local price? so i can inform him in advance  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Aug 25, 2008 at 07:34 PM
what is the current local price? so i can inform him in advance  :)

i don't think anybody is selling this unit (983) here now, but some got it from the u.s. then have them shipped here through jac so the math is, $399 * 46 (para safe) = 18,354 + jac shipping cost which some say is at around 3,000 = 21,354 up to 22,000, so kung kaya ng friend mo ng mga ganun i think may kakagat sa offer, not only for the 983 but for other items as well (ie receivers, bluray players, camera etc.)  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 26, 2008 at 06:07 AM
i don't think anybody is selling this unit (983) here now, but some got it from the u.s. then have them shipped here through jac so the math is, $399 * 46 (para safe) = 18,354 + jac shipping cost which some say is at around 3,000 = 21,354 up to 22,000, so kung kaya ng friend mo ng mga ganun i think may kakagat sa offer, not only for the 983 but for other items as well (ie receivers, bluray players, camera etc.)  ;)
dumugo ilong ko dun ah .. :)
my friend told me about the packaging .. he was suggesting that we do not include stryos (just the box), if theres any .. in that way he could put more items inside the box ..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: keema on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:17 PM
diba po kung bibili ka ng mga dvd players, projectors , amp..etc. sa US 110v un? so gagamit ka pa ng transformer??
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:26 PM
diba po kung bibili ka ng mga dvd players, projectors , amp..etc. sa US 110v un? so gagamit ka pa ng transformer??

depende sa player, for this particular model, or all oppo players for that matter, its auto volt, so safe gamitin dito without the use of a transformer. but you are right, most of the times 110 ang galing u.s., kaya research muna before deciding.  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: keema on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:27 PM
ahh okie po..salamat sir..:)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: audiojunkie on Aug 26, 2008 at 06:20 PM
ahh okie po..salamat sir..:)

sir keema, PM replied...
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: milken on Aug 26, 2008 at 07:02 PM
I've read a lot of good reviews about the video performance of this player. 
How about its performance in audio?  Is it good for playing DVD Audio, CDs and HDCDs? Or should I look elsewhere for a more dedicated audio player (e.g. Rotel, Rega Apollo, etc)?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:35 PM
I've read a lot of good reviews about the video performance of this player. 
How about its performance in audio?  Is it good for playing DVD Audio, CDs and HDCDs? Or should I look elsewhere for a more dedicated audio player (e.g. Rotel, Rega Apollo, etc)?

Ok naman sya for Audio CDs (am not an audiophile) but I guess for a better audio performance, go for a dedicated CD player..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: milken on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:06 AM
Ok naman sya for Audio CDs (am not an audiophile) but I guess for a better audio performance, go for a dedicated CD player..

Thanks for the reply. Hmmm... Oppo 983 may sound good. It has good specs for audio:

                      Oppo 983                                vs.      Rotel RCD-1072
- 24-bit, 192kHz                                                - Burr Brown PCM 1732
  8-channel high-resolution audio D/A converters           
  (N.B. probably not Burr Brown)
- Frequency: 20Hz - 20kHz (±1dB)                       - Frequency: 20Hz - 20kHz (±3dB)
- Signal-to-Noise Ratio: >100dB                           - Signal-to-Noise Ratio: >100dB
- Total Harmonic Distortion: < 0.01%                    - THD - 0.0045%
- Can play DVD Audio                                         - cannot play DVD Audio

Mukhang sulit na dvd-cd combo player ito for those on a budget.  Well, good specs do not necessarily translate to better sounds. Sana may magshare ng audio listening impression nila Oppo vs. dedicated cd player (e.g Rotel/Rega, etc.). :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Sep 10, 2008 at 09:49 PM
Just ordered a 983H from Amazon for shipping thru JAC.  I hope its worth it.  :)  BTW is this thing universal voltage or 110 lang?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: notarius on Sep 10, 2008 at 11:30 PM
dumugo ilong ko dun ah .. :)
my friend told me about the packaging .. he was suggesting that we do not include stryos (just the box), if theres any .. in that way he could put more items inside the box ..
Huh?

With JAC, you get charged the higher of shipping weight or volumetric weight. If you replace styro (which is lighter) with merchandise, what do you think happens to shipping weight? :)

Won't be cheaper, bro!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 11, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Huh?

With JAC, you get charged the higher of shipping weight or volumetric weight. If you replace styro (which is lighter) with merchandise, what do you think happens to shipping weight? :)

Won't be cheaper, bro!

iirc i did not mention JAC on my post ..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Sep 11, 2008 at 07:25 AM
Just ordered a 983H from Amazon for shipping thru JAC.  I hope its worth it.  :)  BTW is this thing universal voltage or 110 lang?

Autovolt eto bro..  ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Sep 13, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Thanks.  Thats good to know.  Is it region free out of the box or one has to fiddle with it first?

BTW, a word of caution to online buyers: It's much easier ordering this thing from Amazon. The Oppo site is buggy if you use anything but Visa/Mastercard. For a while I even thought I was a victim of online fraud when 6 unsuccessful checkout attempts from the Oppo site resulted in my Amex getting charged 6 times! 'Twas resolved but only after many emails and calls.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Sep 13, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Thanks.  Thats good to know.  Is it region free out of the box or one has to fiddle with it first?

BTW, a word of caution to online buyers: It's much easier ordering this thing from Amazon. The Oppo site is buggy if you use anything but Visa/Mastercard. For a while I even thought I was a victim of online fraud when 6 unsuccessful checkout attempts from the Oppo site resulted in my Amex getting charged 6 times! 'Twas resolved but only after many emails and calls.

It's easy to get it region free...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Sep 19, 2008 at 02:47 PM
Agree with Mark. For display size 50" and below, OPPO 980 should be sufficient to meet your requirement esp after considering the price of OPPO 983 which is overkill IMO.

For those who have big display screen or own projectors then I'd say go for OPPO 983 if there's no objection on the price.

**I'm still drooling over Mark's VP50pro. :P

Aren't they using the same AB VRS chips - the 983 and the VP50?  Did you guys get to compare these 2?  :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Sep 19, 2008 at 04:08 PM
Aren't they using the same AB VRS chips - the 983 and the VP50?  Did you guys get to compare these 2?  :)

We didn't compare the 2. No time.

I understand that deinterlacing and scaling chip is the same, but the VP50Pro is much more than that. Also has fine detail enhancement, edge enhancement, mosquito noise reduction, Y/C delay, color space selection, gamma correction, input and output aspect ratio selection, etc. It acts as a hub for various video sources, with individual picture adjustments for each source. I have SD, BD, HD DVD and Popcorn plugged into it, with individual adjustments for each source.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Sep 19, 2008 at 04:17 PM
Thanks for the reply. Hmmm... Oppo 983 may sound good. It has good specs for audio:

                      Oppo 983                                vs.      Rotel RCD-1072
- 24-bit, 192kHz                                                - Burr Brown PCM 1732
  8-channel high-resolution audio D/A converters           
  (N.B. probably not Burr Brown)
- Frequency: 20Hz - 20kHz (±1dB)                       - Frequency: 20Hz - 20kHz (±3dB)
- Signal-to-Noise Ratio: >100dB                           - Signal-to-Noise Ratio: >100dB
- Total Harmonic Distortion: < 0.01%                    - THD - 0.0045%
- Can play DVD Audio                                         - cannot play DVD Audio

Mukhang sulit na dvd-cd combo player ito for those on a budget.  Well, good specs do not necessarily translate to better sounds. Sana may magshare ng audio listening impression nila Oppo vs. dedicated cd player (e.g Rotel/Rega, etc.). :D

Yes it does sound very good IMHE ;) Aside from being a good upscaler this player delivers good audio too. pricey nga lang :(
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Sep 19, 2008 at 04:33 PM
We didn't compare the 2. No time.

I understand that deinterlacing and scaling chip is the same, but the VP50Pro is much more than that. Also has fine detail enhancement, edge enhancement, mosquito noise reduction, Y/C delay, color space selection, gamma correction, input and output aspect ratio selection, etc. It acts as a hub for various video sources, with individual picture adjustments for each source. I have SD, BD, HD DVD and Popcorn plugged into it, with individual adjustments for each source.

I see. I would imagine that for the HD sources no video processing is done or meron pa rin?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: streetsmart on Sep 19, 2008 at 04:43 PM
I see. I would imagine that for the HD sources no video processing is done or meron pa rin?
Meron. Fine detail enhancement. Negative edge enhancement. Mosquito Noise Reduction. Color space selection. Picture controls also vary between BD and HD DVD (contrast, brightness, color) - difference can be quite substantial.

With HD DVD, the experience is that its better to input 1080i into the processor and then let the processor handle upscaling to 1080p. With BD, 1080p input is okay.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Oct 02, 2008 at 11:02 PM
This just in.  :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/carnika/DSC01236.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/carnika/DSC01238.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/carnika/DSC01241.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/carnika/DSC01245.jpg)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Oct 02, 2008 at 11:06 PM
congrats pare,ganda yan esp sa audio part. sulit talaga ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: byron on Oct 02, 2008 at 11:07 PM
sir Lithium!  ganda!!! 

Amazon shipped straight to you here in the Philippines?  Please relay your shipping/logistics tactics for your NEW OPPO!!!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: stickfighter on Oct 02, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Congrats Sir Lith! ;D Did you course this thru JAC? :P
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Oct 03, 2008 at 07:28 AM
sir Lithium!  ganda!!! 

Amazon shipped straight to you here in the Philippines?  Please relay your shipping/logistics tactics for your NEW OPPO!!!

Amazon to JAC Jersey City to JAC Manila, all in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: byron on Oct 03, 2008 at 08:02 AM
sir Lithium,
If I may ask and if you don't mind, can you pm the breakdown of the costs of this particular purchase?  how about tax? curious lang sir

many thanks!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Oct 03, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Wow nice congrats sir
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Oct 03, 2008 at 11:05 AM
congrats sir lithium ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Oct 03, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Thanks guys.  The shootout conducted by our friends here influenced my decision to buy this item. It's a nice toy indeed. High quality feel to it including the manual and packaging. So far the only thing I don't like is the remote control layout and the unrefined-looking OSD, both minor gripes. Now I can play my Region 1 DVD's in near HD quality. Too early to say if PQ is better than PS3 upscaling. When its properly burned-in, I'll see if it can match my souped-up Rotel 1070 as a CD player.

Byron, USD411 sa Amazon including UPS ground shipping to Jersey City, then P3600+ sa JAC including tax.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Oct 03, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Thanks guys.  The shootout conducted by our friends here influenced my decision to buy this item. It's a nice toy indeed. High quality feel to it including the manual and packaging. So far the only thing I don't like is the remote control layout and the unrefined-looking OSD, both minor gripes. Now I can play my Region 1 DVD's in near HD quality. Too early to say if PQ is better than PS3 upscaling. When its properly burned-in, I'll see if it can match my souped-up Rotel 1070 as a CD player.

Byron, USD411 sa Amazon including UPS ground shipping to Jersey City, then P3600+ sa JAC including tax.

Sige Sir pls try to compare it with your rotel1070 so we'll know its strong/weak points :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: byron on Oct 03, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Thanks guys.  The shootout conducted by our friends here influenced my decision to buy this item. It's a nice toy indeed. High quality feel to it including the manual and packaging. So far the only thing I don't like is the remote control layout and the unrefined-looking OSD, both minor gripes. Now I can play my Region 1 DVD's in near HD quality. Too early to say if PQ is better than PS3 upscaling. When its properly burned-in, I'll see if it can match my souped-up Rotel 1070 as a CD player.

Byron, USD411 sa Amazon including UPS ground shipping to Jersey City, then P3600+ sa JAC including tax.

sir Lithium,
ENJOY!!! I clearly remember you were the one who helped me with my Plasma decision.  OPPO???? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Oct 03, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I hope you are happy with that decision.  How's the Pio 508 btw?  Tamang tama ang 983H dyan.  ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: byron on Oct 03, 2008 at 02:32 PM
I hope you are happy with that decision.  How's the Pio 508 btw?  Tamang tama ang 983H dyan.  ;)
Sir Lithium,
Always stuns anyone who sees it!  may major sense of satisfaction.  naka pio dv600 lang ako pero maganda na for me.  428 to 508 was a crazy decision hahaha - which I have never regretted!

thanks sir Lithium, enjoy sa oppo.  last question pala.  why is there an "OPPO" sign when you opened the box, pero wala na yung sign when you placed the player on your rack?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ninjababez® on Oct 03, 2008 at 02:57 PM
last question pala.  why is there an "OPPO" sign when you opened the box, pero wala na yung sign when you placed the player on your rack?
hehehe oo nga bro .. bakit nawala?  acetate lang ba sya with an oppo logo?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Oct 03, 2008 at 02:58 PM
hehehe oo nga bro .. bakit nawala?  acetate lang ba sya with an oppo logo?

Cloth cover bag lang yun where the actual unit is placed mga bros :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Oct 03, 2008 at 04:09 PM
Sabi ko nga nakakabilib ang packaging.  I guess Oppo believes (and rightly so IMO) that quality packaging imparts a sense of quality to the product. Yung manual din top notch quality ang papel na ginamit.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Oct 03, 2008 at 04:15 PM
Sabi ko nga nakakabilib ang packaging.  I guess Oppo believes (and rightly so IMO) that quality packaging gives a sense of quality to the product. Yung manual din top notch quality ang papel na ginamit.

Yup even the extended warranty certificate eh parang diploma ;)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: byron on Oct 03, 2008 at 05:20 PM
CLOTH COVER BAG??????

that's what i call you got the BANG for the BUCK!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: 3j on Oct 17, 2008 at 03:01 PM
To woo the music lovers, Oppo has launched its new BDP-83 Blu-ray player. This advance player was recently displayed at CEDIA Expo. Considered as the latest player from Oppo, BDP-83 has all the advance features and functionalities to enable you to enjoy mind blowing music experience.

Coming soon!!!  :o the complete ;)

According to the reports, Oppo is still “investigating” to launch products with DVD-Audio support. The new BDP-83 Blu-ray player is capable of playing SACD, DVD-Audio, DVD Discs and Blu-ray. Sporting the logo for Anchor Bay video processing, this player can handle DVDs of all kinds.


The new Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray player features an Ethernet Port with “BD-Live” meaning it supports Profile 2.0. Apart from this, BDP-83 supports standard Dolby Digital and DTS. As per the Gizmodo reports, this player is expected to also support DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD is future.

Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray Player is priced somewhere between $ 500 and $ 700.

http://www.cybertheater.com/oppo-bdp-83-blu-ray-player/

****Good thing about this is that this will trigger to lower the price of thier DVD players...:) :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: eksi on Oct 17, 2008 at 04:53 PM
To woo the music lovers, Oppo has launched its new BDP-83 Blu-ray player. This advance player was recently displayed at CEDIA Expo. Considered as the latest player from Oppo, BDP-83 has all the advance features and functionalities to enable you to enjoy mind blowing music experience.

Coming soon!!!  :o the complete ;)

According to the reports, Oppo is still “investigating” to launch products with DVD-Audio support. The new BDP-83 Blu-ray player is capable of playing SACD, DVD-Audio, DVD Discs and Blu-ray. Sporting the logo for Anchor Bay video processing, this player can handle DVDs of all kinds.


The new Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray player features an Ethernet Port with “BD-Live” meaning it supports Profile 2.0. Apart from this, BDP-83 supports standard Dolby Digital and DTS. As per the Gizmodo reports, this player is expected to also support DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD is future.

Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray Player is priced somewhere between $ 500 and $ 700.

http://www.cybertheater.com/oppo-bdp-83-blu-ray-player/

****Good thing about this is that this will trigger to lower the price of thier DVD players...:) :)

uy pwedeng item to be included sa christmas wish list :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: samlowry on Nov 01, 2008 at 06:40 PM
Hello guys,

Why would you buy an oppo 983 when for roughly the same price, a US version Ps3 can perform almost as well (in upscaling) and can play games, surf the net and play BLUray.

Just asking as I need a new upscaler dvd.... my asian ps3 is region locked and I've got a bunch of region 1 dvds....  heck, why not get a US ps3 (sell asian ps3 or not)?  Datablitz sells them (I think).

Thanks for the help!  and Is Oppo now locally available? 

Ps3 region coding sucks.  Will not play region 1s but will play pirated dvds from metrowalk :(
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Nov 01, 2008 at 07:14 PM
Hello guys,

Why would you buy an oppo 983 when for roughly the same price, a US version Ps3 can perform almost as well (in upscaling) and can play games, surf the net and play BLUray.

Just asking as I need a new upscaler dvd.... my asian ps3 is region locked and I've got a bunch of region 1 dvds....  heck, why not get a US ps3 (sell asian ps3 or not)?  Datablitz sells them (I think).

Thanks for the help!  and Is Oppo now locally available? 

Ps3 region coding sucks.  Will not play region 1s but will play pirated dvds from metrowalk :(

In terms of DVD upscaling, OPPO 983 is way better than the PS3..  OPPO 983 is region free..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: samlowry on Nov 01, 2008 at 07:32 PM
Thanks, man.  Tho I'm not concerned with region coding as I only buy region 1 original dvds.

re: oppo as better upscaler,  but doesn't the results from the shootout earlier in this thread say that they are pretty close.... that with the Ps3's noise reduction set to off?  Also, does it have optical out?   (hehe, luma na kasi receiver ko eh).

sorry, just thinking aloud.  This thead is helping me a lot.  The math just don't add up.  Same price as a ps3: upscaler, bluray player, gaming machine. hmmmm. 


Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Nov 01, 2008 at 07:51 PM
Thanks, man.  Tho I'm not concerned with region coding as I only buy region 1 original dvds.

re: oppo as better upscaler,  but doesn't the results from the shootout earlier in this thread say that they are pretty close.... that with the Ps3's noise reduction set to off?  Also, does it have optical out?   (hehe, luma na kasi receiver ko eh).

sorry, just thinking aloud.  This thead is helping me a lot.  The math just don't add up.  Same price as a ps3: upscaler, bluray player, gaming machine. hmmmm. 


Most blu-ray players don't play DVDs as well as BDs that's why most don't really use their stand-alone BD players for DVD playback.  If you play games, you might as well buy a PS3 but for some who don't play games, they would rather buy a standalone BD player.  If you want a good DVD and BD player, the Panasonic BD-55 has been reviewed as good for both.  As for me, I got the OPPO 983 for DVD playback and the Pana BD-30 for BD playback. 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: samlowry on Nov 01, 2008 at 08:43 PM
Thanks for the info man.   may I know how you acquired your oppo 983?   shipped from US?

I have a region 3 dvd lying around and tested my ps3 vs my cheapo pioneer player.... very interesting results.
actually the difference is more obvious when the frame is paused.  virtually no jaggies on the ps3 vs. the cheap pioneer 380 (which was also set to 480p).  If the oppo is better, then I want one tho honestly, a US ps3 still makes more sense to me:)

I will look into the panasonic bd55.  I'm not sure if I can invest on just a sd dvd anymore.... I've gotta future proof.  thanks!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Nov 01, 2008 at 08:54 PM
Thanks for the info man.   may I know how you acquired your oppo 983?   shipped from US?

I have a region 3 dvd lying around and tested my ps3 vs my cheapo pioneer player.... very interesting results.
actually the difference is more obvious when the frame is paused.  virtually no jaggies on the ps3 vs. the cheap pioneer 380 (which was also set to 480p).  If the oppo is better, then I want one tho honestly, a US ps3 still makes more sense to me:)

I will look into the panasonic bd55.  I'm not sure if I can invest on just a sd dvd anymore.... I've gotta future proof.  thanks!

Ordered it directly from OPPODIGITAL.com and shipped to JAC NJ..  The Pana BD55 is your best bet for both a good DVD and BD player but the question is if its gonna be region-free for DVD.  My BD-30 which I bought here in the Philippines is region-free though.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: samlowry on Nov 01, 2008 at 09:04 PM
thanks man!  all my original dvds are region 1 so not an issue.

I only intend to play my dibidis on cheapo players since they are choosy to begin with and
will often skip.  That might kill my player.

thanks for bringing up the pana bd55/35.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 02, 2008 at 01:31 PM
Bluray is in a bit of crossroads right now because it isn't taking off despite the disappearance of HD-DVD. The main reason IMO is the emergence of upscaling DVD players like the Oppo 983 that can render DVD's at near Blu-ray quality or at least at a quality where our eyes can barely tell the difference.

I got the PS3 mainly for games, the Bluray is extra. I got the 983 because like you, I have a large collection of Region 1 DVD's which my PS3 cannot play. I think the PS3 plays DVD as well as the 983 I (different temp but resolution is equal IMO) but I hate to waste the PS3 on ubiquitous "p" DVDs.   
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: juanch on Nov 02, 2008 at 06:50 PM
The main reason IMO is the emergence of upscaling DVD players like the Oppo 983 that can render DVD's at near Blu-ray quality or at least at a quality where our eyes can barely tell the difference.

Not really, there's still a big noticeable difference between upscaled DVD and BD.

The reason for the slow adoption of BD is price & HD downloads.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Nov 02, 2008 at 08:23 PM
Not really, there's still a big noticeable difference between upscaled DVD and BD.

The reason for the slow adoption of BD is price & HD downloads.

i tend to agree, having seen the machine work (983) and also some of the bd, hddvd and nmts out there, imho, hd is hd, not even the best upscaler can beat that. but if you have a lot of dvds in your collection and don't want to repurchase all those old movies in hd, a good upscaler is indeed a must investment, way better than a progressive scan dvd.  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 02, 2008 at 09:19 PM
Not really, there's still a big noticeable difference between upscaled DVD and BD.

The reason for the slow adoption of BD is price & HD downloads.

I think you are right about the HD downloads and price affecting BD sales but not about the difference between BD and upscaled DVD.  In my setup, Pioneer 42" Kuro with PS3 and 983, the latter comes very close to BD the justification for going HD disappears. And because of that, I think BD is in trouble.

Is Blu-ray the next Laserdisc?  Hope not.

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/108657
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Nov 02, 2008 at 09:59 PM
For me there's a big difference when viewing with my 720p 50" DLP TV.. BD (using my PANA BD30) is way better than DVD (using my OPPO 983).. Paano na kaya if 1080p na TV ko..  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: lithium_deuteride on Nov 02, 2008 at 11:18 PM
It makes sense that the bigger your TV and the higher the resolution, BD's advantage over upscaled DVD becomes more apparent.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Nov 03, 2008 at 12:56 AM
It makes sense that the bigger your TV and the higher the resolution, BD's advantage over upscaled DVD becomes more apparent.

Exactly..  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Nov 03, 2008 at 12:01 PM
i tend to agree, having seen the machine work (983) and also some of the bd, hddvd and nmts out there, imho, hd is hd, not even the best upscaler can beat that. but if you have a lot of dvds in your collection and don't want to repurchase all those old movies in hd, a good upscaler is indeed a must investment, way better than a progressive scan dvd.  ;D

Replacing all their SDs with BD is a concept that might be OK with some people.  But we know that it's impossible to upgrade a collector's entire library to BD even if he wanted to, because many titles are simply unavailable in BD format.

Some recent blockbusters will not be seeing the light of BD for some time.  Can you believe Lord of the Rings and Star Wars still don't have a BD release?  And that Titanic, the highest grossing movie of all time, still does not have a BD release?  How about classics such as Cinema Paradiso, a cinematic gem that Roger Ebert describes as "anyone who loves movies is likely to love", will it ever have a BD release?

Video in single format is a thing of the past.  Video collections in multiple formats is the trend that is here to stay.

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Nov 03, 2008 at 12:07 PM
For me, I will only be replacing DVDs that I really like.. Definitely once Lord of the Rings or Star Wars will come out in BD formt, I will be buying the series and sell my DVD copies.. Lord of the Rings I think will come out next year in BD format.. Read it somewhere..  ;) ;)  For recent blockbuster movies, definitely I buy them in BD format..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Superman on Nov 03, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Ehem, reserve those "regular" DVDs for me, doc :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Nov 03, 2008 at 01:26 PM
Ehem, reserve those "regular" DVDs for me, doc :D :D :D :D :D

Cge Jen, kaw first in line.. hehehe
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 03, 2008 at 01:29 PM
Ehem, reserve those "regular" DVDs for me, doc :D :D :D :D :D
1st dibs ka agad bro?  di pa naman naka-post  :D

Video in single format is a thing of the past.  Video collections in multiple formats is the trend that is here to stay.
dito ko lang sa pdvd nakikita yan bro   :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Superman on Nov 03, 2008 at 01:34 PM
Kapitbahay kasi si doc :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ninjababez® on Nov 03, 2008 at 01:50 PM
Kapitbahay kasi si doc :D
ot:
taga planet kryton din?  :D
daming doctor dito ah ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Superman on Nov 04, 2008 at 12:59 AM
ot:
taga planet kryton din?  :D
daming doctor dito ah ;D


Davao as well :D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Nov 04, 2008 at 09:54 AM
Not really, there's still a big noticeable difference between upscaled DVD and BD.

The reason for the slow adoption of BD is price & HD downloads.

 I think bd players are no longer expensive. Some are below 300 dollars already, thats why there are a couple of companies that delay or no longer want to produce bd players ata. Oppo is one of them (delayed), the other one begins with an S ata (sherwood?), I forgot..Anyway, I think they postponed their bd players till next year bec of how fast player prices are falling. They are probably rethinking their strategy..The prob I think lies in prices of software. 25 dollars and above to me is a bit much. Catalogs are also expensive. But thanks to warner and sony we can get some cheap films below 16 bucks. Dvds have 5 to 10 dollar prices. People are waiting for it to fall further (this is the reason I see for the slow adoption) , bec nga upscaled is good enough na for them. Why rebuy at 19.95 when eventually they will come down to 10 dollars? :D..How many percent of the population have 50 inch and above screens? I want one also ;D..Hopefully they will be 50 thousand pesos by next year ;D

Anyway imo I think the 983 is overpriced at 399 ;D, Its overpriced for a dvd player BUT it is not overpriced if you have lots of dvds, will keep buying cheap dvds with their present pricing and don't intend to rebuy most of them in blu-ray.

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: darth_rye on Nov 07, 2008 at 05:17 PM
What po magandang combination nitong AVR?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: barrister on Nov 07, 2008 at 09:13 PM
Kulay itim na AVR ang bagay diyan.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: darth_rye on Nov 11, 2008 at 09:07 AM
i tend to agree, having seen the machine work (983) and also some of the bd, hddvd and nmts out there, imho, hd is hd, not even the best upscaler can beat that. but if you have a lot of dvds in your collection and don't want to repurchase all those old movies in hd, a good upscaler is indeed a must investment, way better than a progressive scan dvd.  ;D

+1
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: darth_rye on Nov 11, 2008 at 09:10 AM
Kulay itim na AVR ang bagay diyan.

aside sa kulay, what brand,model po recommended nyo? i am planning to have my dedicated HT room early next year po eh. TIA!

Pede na din po pati speaker system recommended nyo.

Newbie lang po eh.

Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: byron on Nov 18, 2008 at 02:28 PM
can't wait for an OPPO blu ray player.  of course as a blu ray player, it should be able to upconvert DVDs too right? hehe 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: iiinas on Nov 18, 2008 at 06:19 PM
aside sa kulay, what brand,model po recommended nyo? i am planning to have my dedicated HT room early next year po eh. TIA!

Pede na din po pati speaker system recommended nyo.

Newbie lang po eh.



congrats! it doesnt matter what avr you choose, the oppo will be compatible. so you should try reading through the receivers thread para you can get a peak of all the receivers. yamaha, onkyo, denon, hk and etc. pero for me, lamang ng konti ang onkyo and denon because of audyssey, this system automatically measures your room and speaker set up so it will optimally tune it to your rooms specs. kaya its an invaluable system to have. as for speakers, choose an avr first then you can go hunting for speakers. good luck!
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: darth_rye on Nov 19, 2008 at 03:18 PM
congrats! it doesnt matter what avr you choose, the oppo will be compatible. so you should try reading through the receivers thread para you can get a peak of all the receivers. yamaha, onkyo, denon, hk and etc. pero for me, lamang ng konti ang onkyo and denon because of audyssey, this system automatically measures your room and speaker set up so it will optimally tune it to your rooms specs. kaya its an invaluable system to have. as for speakers, choose an avr first then you can go hunting for speakers. good luck!

Thank you very much sir sa info!

Right now i am leaning in getting Onkyo as my AVR i think it will also be much better pairing with Mission speakers.
Sana lang Oppo BD player will be out by that time para un na kunin ko as player.


 
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Nov 19, 2008 at 03:26 PM
Thank you very much sir sa info!

Right now i am leaning in getting Onkyo as my AVR i think it will also be much better pairing with Mission speakers.
Sana lang Oppo BD player will be out by that time para un na kunin ko as player.


 

oppo 983 or pana BD55, hard choice to make :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: audiojunkie on Nov 19, 2008 at 09:34 PM
oppo 983 or pana BD55, hard choice to make :)


got 3 choices Oppo, pana BD55 or Samy 2500.... still leaning on Oppo and waiting what will be the MSRP... :(  :D ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: disturbed on Dec 01, 2008 at 03:11 PM
may I ask..does this player plays divx and avi files?

parang wala kasi ako nakitang ganitong feature..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: blued888 on Dec 02, 2008 at 01:48 AM
may I ask..does this player plays divx and avi files?

parang wala kasi ako nakitang ganitong feature..

Yes.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: disturbed on Dec 02, 2008 at 10:51 AM
thanks for the reply blue?

so sa abroad lang tlga meron nito?
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Dec 02, 2008 at 11:21 AM
thanks for the reply blue?

so sa abroad lang tlga meron nito?

Yep..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Dec 02, 2008 at 11:23 AM
thanks for the reply blue?

so sa abroad lang tlga meron nito?

you can order it thru amazon.com or from fellow member TOYO1 :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: disturbed on Dec 02, 2008 at 02:43 PM
thanks po sa mga nag reply..pa bili na lang ako kung ganun dun..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: Moks007 on Dec 03, 2008 at 10:35 AM
This player is still 399usd? Man oppo is really a hard-on  ;D..Tigas man ;D..BD players are already at 199 :D..Actually the prices of their other models are still the same. I guess thats how kick butt they are. :o :o People still buy at these premium prices. Premium price for  awesome players I guess, and excellent buy for those with big dvd library and will not replace majority of their dvds to blu-ray.
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: ricky on Dec 03, 2008 at 11:04 AM
This player is still 399usd? Man oppo is really a hard-on  ;D..Tigas man ;D..BD players are already at 199 :D..Actually the prices of their other models are still the same. I guess thats how kick butt they are. :o :o People still buy at these premium prices. Premium price for  awesome players I guess, and excellent buy for those with big dvd library and will not replace majority of their dvds to blu-ray.

Exactly ;) :)
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Dec 03, 2008 at 11:07 AM
The 983 is one of my fave gears in my HT..  PQ of DVD played on my PANA BD30 cannot match the PQ of DVD played on my 983..
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: pchin on Dec 10, 2008 at 05:43 PM
This player is still 399usd? Man oppo is really a hard-on  ;D..Tigas man ;D

O nga...sobra tigas. Premium product at a premium price tag  ;D
Title: Re: OPPO DV983H
Post by: francois on Feb 11, 2009 at 09:32 AM
Hi Bros,

I am very interested in the 983.  However, OPPO says it is soon to be replaced by BD.  Appreciate if somebody could confirm if the 983 is still being sold?  Any pdvd member who just got one?

Thx much, guys!

Rgrds,

 :)