It's currently out of stock in all online retailers. Let us know if anyone find this model available. I'm very keen on this model. The specs are simply salivating. :D
danrd, do you intend to get one also? :)
Pambihira talaga ito si Dan! Akala ko "last" na yung 875 mo? ;D ;D
Hmmmmm ;D Wifey was just asking me last night what I want for my bday..... ;D
I already said bluray player last night, but she was surprised since I have always said I wasnt going BR till disk prices go down. But I guess this player can beat a BR player's SD upconversion abilities?
Whatcha think?
I already said bluray player last night, but she was surprised since I have always said I wasnt going BR till disk prices go down. But I guess this player can beat a BR player's SD upconversion abilities?
Whatcha think?
I already said bluray player last night, but she was surprised since I have always said I wasnt going BR till disk prices go down. But I guess this player can beat a BR player's SD upconversion abilities?
Whatcha think?
Sorry Sir for not being too specific. I meant last na on the avr. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I already said bluray player last night, but she was surprised since I have always said I wasnt going BR till disk prices go down. But I guess this player can beat a BR player's SD upconversion abilities?
Whatcha think?
Tell her this oppo player and the panasonic bd50 ;) Thats my dream also ;D..Tell her its better than spending on chicks, beer, beerhouse etc hehe... ;D..Im also trying to convince my wife on this oppo ;D, I will tell her I will be her slave for a year ;Dgreat point moks007!!! 8) ;D
On another note I really think this is a great player to get if one have a huge collection of dvds, all region pa ito. Look at the recent Butch cassidy and the sundance kid bluray in hidef digest review ( although this is not the review basis for everyone ) It is bad, really bad. I'd rather keep my 2 discs collectors edition dvd. Its these kind of releases that I think bluray will just be a niche. I may be wrong. Im usually a catalog guy, and if you are a catalog guy its a russian roulette if the pic quality/audio quality of catalogs will be great. Thats why I don't preorder now except for Dirty harry series ;D..I really love that series. To me there is no excuse for these bad pq at 27.95 a pop. Check out bonnie and clyde, the sting, blazing saddles, Grand prix just to name a few. Man these look excellent to me. So its possible for old catalogs to look this good. Thats why we upgrade to bluray diba? They should do a better job imo
On another note I really think this is a great player to get if one have a huge collection of dvds, all region pa ito. Look at the recent Butch cassidy and the sundance kid bluray in hidef digest review ( although this is not the review basis for everyone ) It is bad, really bad. I'd rather keep my 2 discs collectors edition dvd. Its these kind of releases that I think bluray will just be a niche. I may be wrong. Im usually a catalog guy, and if you are a catalog guy its a russian roulette if the pic quality/audio quality of catalogs will be great. Thats why I don't preorder now except for Dirty harry series ;D..I really love that series. To me there is no excuse for these bad pq at 27.95 a pop. Check out bonnie and clyde, the sting, blazing saddles, Grand prix just to name a few. Man these look excellent to me. So its possible for old catalogs to look this good. Thats why we upgrade to bluray diba? They should do a better job imo
There is a rumor that future Denon AVR's will incorporate the Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume features. If this happens, I will definitely upgrade my AVR! :)
I already said bluray player last night, but she was surprised since I have always said I wasnt going BR till disk prices go down.
For those with the Onkyo 875, the 983 might be overkill since your AVR already has a good VIDEO PROCESSOR which is better than that of the 983.. The OPPO 980 or 981 might suffice..great point again. ;)
great point again. ;)
if your DVDp has the better upscaling ability:
1. use DVDp to upscale and when connecting to AVR, choose bypass video option
if your AVR has the better upscaling ability
1. feed AVR with native resolution of source material (480p/480i) and toggle 1080p upscaling (or matching resolution of your display) of AVR
if your display/PJ has the better upscaling ability
1. feed it with the native resolution of source material, therefore bypassing any upscaling features of avr and dvdp.
Does this makes sense? Correct me if Im wrong. ;)
great point again. ;)
if your DVDp has the better upscaling ability:
1. use DVDp to upscale and when connecting to AVR, choose bypass video option
if your AVR has the better upscaling ability
1. feed AVR with native resolution of source material (480p/480i) and toggle 1080p upscaling (or matching resolution of your display) of AVR
if your display/PJ has the better upscaling ability
1. feed it with the native resolution of source material, therefore bypassing any upscaling features of avr and dvdp.
Does this makes sense? Correct me if Im wrong. ;)
This makes a lot of sense. In fact, the DVDO VP50Pro has a feature wherein it can reverse any deinterlacing and upscaling. This way, it is fed the raw signal (say 480i or 1080i) and then the DVDO does its own deinterlacing/upscaling. This is because the DVDO does a better job at video processing.
great point again. ;)
if your DVDp has the better upscaling ability:
1. use DVDp to upscale and when connecting to AVR, choose bypass video option
if your AVR has the better upscaling ability
1. feed AVR with native resolution of source material (480p/480i) and toggle 1080p upscaling (or matching resolution of your display) of AVR
if your display/PJ has the better upscaling ability
1. feed it with the native resolution of source material, therefore bypassing any upscaling features of avr and dvdp.
Does this makes sense? Correct me if Im wrong. ;)
For those with the Onkyo 875, the 983 might be overkill since your AVR already has a good VIDEO PROCESSOR which is better than that of the 983.. The OPPO 980 or 981 might suffice..
Way to go Mat....many members here are hoping you will join the HD bandwagon soon. HD material will indeed benefit your big PJ screen. ;) However, as you still have a big collection of regular DVD, thus the Oppo 983 will compliment your BD player. :)
great point again. ;)
if your AVR has the better upscaling ability
1. feed AVR with native resolution of source material (480p/480i) and toggle 1080p upscaling (or matching resolution of your display) of AVR
Does this makes sense? Correct me if Im wrong. ;)
Pre-ordered mine at HKFlix.com.. Hopefully May 21 daw may stocks na.. ;) ;) ;)
What's your waiting list number Jun? I got #16 ;D
are you guys shipping this thru JAC? how much is the rough estimate on shipping to the phils? thanks
What's your waiting list number Jun? I got #16 ;D
No ideal yet. Here's the reply from HKFlix when I asked about shipping cost to Phils:
"It will be shipped from California. I’m not sure exactly what shipping will be, but you’ll get the best possible rate. No one will have a cheaper quote. We can either ship using EMS or FEDEX.
I can’t provide an exact quote now since we don’t have any in stock so I don’t know the box dimensions or weight. But when you get an email from me notifying the item is available, just ask me for the quote and I’ll get it for you."
Since it's coming from the US, guess I'll use JAC.
Agree ako. I have the same experience. Some BD or HD-DVD titles have rather poor pq. If you put it another way, the same title on SD with good video processing looks practically the same. It's also quite hard to detect the difference in audio between SD and BD, kahit lossless ang audio. Kaya nga good buy talaga ang Oppo 983.
Of course, some BD titles are really good pero ala chamba.
great point moks007!!! 8) ;D
Can anyone convince sir Nemesis to sell Oppo in the Philippines?
If there's an authorized Philippine dealer, then we wouldn't worry so much about parts and service.
Shipping via EMS or FEDEX to the Philippines is less than $80.00 according to HKFLIX.com. But the problem is baka may Customs tax pa eto compared if we ship it via JAC. Pero kung walang Tax then, the EMS and FEDEX shipping fees are cheap na compared to JAC unless you go via sea freight.
Sir, ako hindi na-tax when I ordered my 981 lat year (Aug. '07) from HKflix also. Shipped via FEDEX door-to-door express delivery.. 3 days lang dumating na kagad pero wala nako binayaran.
See related thread here: reply#60
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=60063.60
pareng dan tama si doc, i benta mo na 981 mo :D
Abangan natin 'to, hehehe ;D
Dan, pre magkano mo ibebenta 981 mo? ;)
;D ;D ;D Alam mo ba dami na umaawit sa kin dito since the day I had it.
oReOsHaKe, have you received Oppo email notification? They are accepting pre-orders na, first come-first serve basis. Estimated Ship Date: 5/21- 5/28/08. :D
Geez...after tried so many attempts I just gave up! :( The "check-out" payment page isn't friendly at all.
Philippines is not in listed. :( So I tried using JAC as my shipping address & becos my credit card is in Philiipines, thus I tried "PayPal" as the payment option & but got error. Also, if you put "Outside USA" it will not work....it keep asking you to put the states. :-\
I emailed the customer service twice na & until now no reply at all. :-[
We would recommend contacting SLT Technologies, our Singapore dealer, about possible shipment support to the Philippines. SLT Technologies Pte Ltd, [email protected], Tel: (65)90666088
Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
Hay...finally my payment process at Oppo Digital was sucessful! :D
Payment Details (PayPal)
Transaction ID: XYZ
Item Price: $413.00 USD
Total: $413.00 USD
Order Description: 1 OPPO DV-983H 1080p Up-Converting Universal DVD Player with ABT and 7.1CH Audio
Buyer: PChin
Ship to: ATTN: PinoyDVD.com/PChin, Johnny Air Cargo, 69-04 Roosevelt Avenue, Woodside, USA
Hay....finally got the email from Oppo Digital. My order is just being shipped out today....hopefully by next Fri or Sat I can get it na to try out during the weekend.
Now I can sleep peacefully this weekend. :D
Oh ... exciting. My suggestion: you can bring the Oppo to my HT so we can compare its deinterlacing/upscaling capability to the VP50Pro! Oppo 983 should have almost same quality. :)
Oh ... exciting. My suggestion: you can bring the Oppo to my HT so we can compare its deinterlacing/upscaling capability to the VP50Pro! Oppo 983 should have almost same quality. :)
hi sir streetsmart,
have you tried to use the faroudja upscaler of your denon 2808? the 2308 (my avr) and 2808 shares the same faroudja chip. if you happen to experience them oppo981 and pioneer dv600, how good is the denon avr's upscaler versus the other 2? i am asking this because i'm using component from dvd to my 2308 and hdmi to panny plasma. wanted an all hdmi connections but the denon can only upscale analog signals and pass through hdmi.
sorry for the O.T.
thanks,
weng
I think you mean to ask for a comparison of the deinterlacing/upscaling capabilities of:
1) Pio 600 (I have a 696 so pwede na siguro yun)
2) Denon 2808 (which I have)
3) Oppo 983 (Paul's incoming unit), not Oppo 981 which is supposed to have an inferior chip
We can add the DVDO VP50Pro, which is among the best video processors.
I have tried the Pio 600 vs VP50Pro and it's like night and day. I haven't even bothered to try the Denon 2808 cuz I know that malayo sya sa VP50Pro. In any case, pag dumating Oppo 983 ni Paul, try namin lahat ng 4.
I think you mean to ask for a comparison of the deinterlacing/upscaling capabilities of:
1) Pio 600 (I have a 696 so pwede na siguro yun)
2) Denon 2808 (which I have)
3) Oppo 983 (Paul's incoming unit), not Oppo 981 which is supposed to have an inferior chip
We can add the DVDO VP50Pro, which is among the best video processors.
I have tried the Pio 600 vs VP50Pro and it's like night and day. I haven't even bothered to try the Denon 2808 cuz I know that malayo sya sa VP50Pro. In any case, pag dumating Oppo 983 ni Paul, try namin lahat ng 4.
We can add the DVDO VP50Pro, which is among the best video processors.
Yung Pioneer and Denon, hindi siguro magiging impressive ang results.
Thats great can't wait to hear the reviews. I'm also very interested with this player but due to the long wait and budget concerns I'm thinking of just getting the oppo 981 in amazon, with free shipping. (I want the best possible player for my dvds) If its possible can you guys also test the 981? Maybe someone out there with the 981 can also bring their unit to your place to test. If possible pls post pics. Thanks
Hopefully you guys can do this soon ;D and that way I can get my player (if I decided on 981) before June 1 ;D for the reason amazon will start taxing ata starting June 1 on orders (may be on some specific items) to New York. Our JAC address is in New York. Bummer added cost again.
I just found out today when I'm ordering some dvds. :(
Don't know anyone who has Oppo 981. Si @danrd dati pero binenta na nya. But he says that he wasn't very happy with it.
Wasn't like that sir. The reason I sold my Oppo is because it was overkill already. I didn't like the results of double upscaled video from my Oppo with Onkyo 875. The results on my Pioneer dv 600 was set at 480p was way much better. That's why I had to let go of my Oppo.
But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj. ;)
But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj. ;)
dan which is better in PQ:
1. DV600 480p upscaled through 875?
2. Oppo 981 480p upscaled through 875?
3. Oppo 981 upscaled directly (or bypassed thru 875) to monitor?
Sir Dan, try mo naman yung bagong Oppo pag may available na. Malaking improvement kaya ang 983 over the 981?
I'm expecting it to be very different, kasi yung 981 ay Faroudja processing (tama ba?), na laging pinipintasan sa macroblocking artifacts. Yung 983, Anchor Bay ang processor, mas magaling pa raw sa Faroudja.
Wasn't like that sir. The reason I sold my Oppo is because it was overkill already. I didn't like the results of double upscaled video from my Oppo with Onkyo 875. The results on my Pioneer dv 600 was set at 480p was way much better. That's why I had to let go of my Oppo.
But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj. ;)
Wasn't like that sir. The reason I sold my Oppo is because it was overkill already. I didn't like the results of double upscaled video from my Oppo with Onkyo 875. The results on my Pioneer dv 600 was set at 480p was way much better. That's why I had to let go of my Oppo.
But if all ask me, nothing beats Oppo's upscaling quality when it's connected directly on an lcd or pj. ;)
dan which is better in PQ:
1. DV600 480p upscaled through 875?
2. Oppo 981 480p upscaled through 875?
3. Oppo 981 upscaled directly (or bypassed thru 875) to monitor?
Sir Dan, try mo naman yung bagong Oppo pag may available na. Malaking improvement kaya ang 983 over the 981?
Hahaha! Tinutukso mo naman si Dan! ;D ;D
Curious talaga ako sa 983 cuz based on what I know, it has the same deinterlacing/upscaling chip as the DVDO VP50Pro, which is currently among the best in the world. That's why I want to compare it directly to the VP50Pro.
Ok. Got it. Maganda nga raw ang video processing ng Onkyo 875. It would still be nice to compare it to the Oppo 983! :)
You have to choose kasi kung ano gusto mo gamiting upscaler: DVD player or AV Receiver.. Kung ano mas maganda yong ang piliin.. i-off na lang ang upscaling function of the unit that gives you the worse upscaling.. Can the OPPO 981 ba output just a 480i so the Onkyo 875 upscale it to 720p or 1080p depending on you HD TV capability?
Results playing starwars Episode 4, pausing same scene:
1. Toshiba a35 - hands down winner, malayo talaga. really sharp.
My own survey says . . . . . . . .
1. DV600 480p upscaled through 875?
I think the Toshiba A35 also uses Anchor Bay ABT 1018 chipsets, that's why it upscales so well.
Unfortunately the 981 is fixed on 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p only. Can't set it to 480i. That's why double upscaling happens so result isn't that good.
But Dan, di ba kaya ng Pio 600 to output 480i? Theoretically, that would be the best to feed to the 875.
Sabi mo kasi, the best is Pio 600 480p to the 875.
I have an A35 and I have followed the AVS forum thread on this quite closely. It's not really reputed to have good deinterlacing/upscaling. That distinction belongs to the HD-XA2.
I am not sure (tinatamad to research right now), but I think that the A35 does not have a complete set of the ABT chipset (unlike the Oppo 983).
I'm not sure on this but I think the a35 deinterlace using Mediatek and upscale using the ABT. Ya the 983 is ABT for both I think. I'm not sure. But for me the pic on the A35 is really excellent compared to the upscalers (below 10 to 12 thou) they sell here. I don't think it can compare to the 983. However, I read in a forum before that a question was raised to the customer service of oppo if one have the a35, should they buy the 981. The answer of oppo is don't need to purchase the 981. I wish the A35 was region free.
I have the Oppo 983
Mark has the HD-A35
Who can lend the Pioneer 600? ;D
Will be great to do a shoot out comparison! :D
But there should be several members involved. Maybe at least 5. Voting after each comparison. Blind test. ;D ;D
Mas mataas naman yata standards nila sa US kaya ang reference is the HD-XA2.
I haven't tried comparing the Pio 600 processing to the A35. Try ko nga and then feedback ako.
I have the Oppo 983
Mark has the HD-A35
Who can lend the Pioneer 600? ;D
Will be great to do a shoot out comparison! :D
Paul will have to help me to develop the procedures! :)
I have the Oppo 983
Mark has the HD-A35
Who can lend the Pioneer 600? ;D
Will be great to do a shoot out comparison! :D
mga sir meron po ako, pio 600 na puwedeng magamit
kung puwede pong sumama sana,
im using the pio600 to project sa optoma hd70.
hope i could also bring the projector to see the the difference. alam ko kasi may macroblocking issues when using fajuoda chips with dlp projectors like the optoma hd70
thanks and hope to meet the gurus of pdvd
Sure Mark, the HQV Benchmark DVD will be ideal tool to test those video scaler in the DVD Players through a set grueling video obstacle course. :)
"The video clips and test patterns on this DVD have been specifically designed to evaluate a variety of interlaced video signal processing tasks including decoding, de-interlacing, motion correction, noise reduction, film cadence detection, and detail enhancement. The ultimate quality of the images that you watch is limited by any, and all of these factors. Only the rarest video processor inside certain players can handle all of these tasks successfully!"
How about this:
REFERENCE: VP50PRO (Pio 696 set at 480i for a pure standard signal, to VP50PRO, to display).
COMPARE WITH:
1. Direct to display: Pio 696 vs Oppo 983 vs Tosh A35; vs.:
2. Through Denon 2808: Pio 696 vs Oppo 983; vs.:
3. Through VP50PRO: Pio 696 vs Oppo 983.
How about this:Im up for this.... ;)
REFERENCE: VP50PRO (Pio 696 set at 480i for a pure standard signal, to VP50PRO, to display).
COMPARE WITH:
1. Direct to display: Pio 696 vs Oppo 983 vs Tosh A35; vs.:
2. Through Denon 2808: Pio 696 vs Oppo 983; vs.:
3. Through VP50PRO: Pio 696 vs Oppo 983.
Ok. Got it. Maganda nga raw ang video processing ng Onkyo 875. It would still be nice to compare it to the Oppo 983! :)
We also need big black blindfolds. ;D
a Sony DVD upscaler but I think that few people are interested in these.
Any suggestions on other comparisons? Any suggestions on procedures?
Can we include the highly popular PS3 since many Pdvd members own it? Sony PS3 vs Pioneer 696 or 600 ;D
Mark, have you managed to review the HQV test? :) It evaluates a variety of video processing tasks including decoding, de-interlacing, motion correction, noise reduction, film cadence detection & detail enhancement. We can select those essential & simpler tests only. :)
ditto marvin.
If your interested guys to compare the OPPO 980's performance just tell me. I might just be of a little help.
I wonder who is going to be kind enough to lug a 61 lb Onkyo 875 to a shootout, hehe. :)
I agree that the PS3 is a must cuz a lot of guys own it. Someone needs to bring a unit - Paul? ;D
Yes, I reviewed the HQV test. It actually looks pretty awesome! Why don't we test it sa HT ko so we can decide how to use it. :)
Hehe...sure but I will be the last resort, will give other participants the opportunity to contribute & showcase their PS3. ;D
I would also suggest that the PS3 in the blind test should be updated with the latest firmware (v2.20 ata ?) and with the settings
Frame Noise Reduction ( 3 )
Block Noise Reduction ( 3 )
Mosquito Noise Reductions ( 3 )
;D
I know talo ang PS3 sa 983 sa dvd playback pero i want to know the views of the experts and gurus in PDVD din ;D
If you think of it, pwede rin ang Onkyo 875 kasi we would just look at the video. No need to connect all the audio sources and power amps. Only one cable from pj and one cable from the source.
Malaking tao ka naman, Matz! Kaya mong bitbitin yun. ;D
Excited ako to know the result since megatron crumpled my 676 :'( so I need a new player asap :) Blinfold test reviewing dvdps ;D or cover for the players? :) Dapat yung magswi-switch ng players hindi kasama sa magre-rate ng result para hindi biased :)
As long as there is:
LECHON BAKA! LECHON BAKA!
;D :D ;)
ROFL LMAO
Ang bigat naman ng kundisyon mo! ;D ;D
Baka matagal masyado. I estimate that each comparison will take around 10 minutes. Baka mainip at maduling ang tao.
Gawin nating straight connection lahat:
REFERENCE: VP50PRO (Pio 696 set at 480i for a pure standard signal, to VP50PRO, to display).
COMPARE WITH:
1. Straight Pio 696 vs
2. Straight Oppo 983 vs
3. Pio 696 at 480i through Denon 2808 vs.
4. Straight Tosh A35 vs.
5. Straight PS3.
At 10 mins. each, around 1 hour total!
Tama yata si sir streetsmart.
I vote for his procedure on Reply #116!
The Oppo 983 is very interesting. I think people would be interested in the following (all straight):
1. Pio 696 vs Oppo 983
2. Tosh A35 vs Oppo 983
3. Pio 696 vs Tosh A35
4. PS3 vs Oppo 983
5. PS3 vs Pio 696
6. Oppo 980 vs Oppo 983
7. Oppo 983 vs Pio 696 thru VP50Pro
Wow...many nice models...I'm salivating na to know the results... :)
For simplicity, maybe we can list down "ALL the players" participating in the shoot-out instead of saying "ABC player vs XYZ player"... it's a bit confusing. ;D
Perhaps we could use a ranking system where the judges can award the points accordingly to each individual player. Thus, in the future we can easily add in additional players to be tested & update the ranking appropriately. :)
Also pls add toshiba a35 vs. ps3 ;D..Thanks
Can you guys include the oppo 981 ( if there will be any volunteers to bring this unit.) There is no Faroudja chip ata in your list. Also pls add toshiba a35 vs. ps3 ;D..Thanks
ESi has volunteered to bring Oppo 980. I don't know how different that is from the 981.
I think the 980 has an advanced mediatek chip. 981 has the faroudja chip. I think the 981 (nothing against 980) would be a real good player to include in this test imo bec its only priced at 229usd. The 980 is good too bec it cost 169usd. Oppo 981 is compared to the Denon 2910 or 3910 ata, performance wise ata.
Just a suggestion,
can you also include a non-upscaling dvd player so for people like me who does'nt have one yet could decide if it is really worth it to spend on a brand new upscaler since most of the consumers have already an existing dvd player.
I can assure you that it will fail all the tests in the HQV benchmark. The difference is like night and day, especially on bigger screens. We will be using a 120" screen so the weakness of 480i will be very apparent.
That's easy. We just set the output of a dvd player to 480i and I can assure you that it will fail all the tests in the HQV benchmark. The difference is like night and day, especially on bigger screens. We will be using a 120" screen so the weakness of 480i will be very apparent.[/quote]With a PJ and screen size that big, a dvd upscaler would definitely have a big impact on it but on smaller screen sizes like a 32inch lcd how large would its impact be.
This is something that can be discussed. That's actually the simplest method but that's not a blind test. A blind test is an A-B comparison. What you refer to is the points that some magazines give to products, but these are quite controversial because they can be very subjective.I would say that both methods are subjective but with the nature of the experiment, a point system and ranking them after would be more applicable. Blind test is usually done when you are comparing two different parties; like blu ray vs hd dvd, analog vs digital, lcd vs plasma but like what pchin said,
If you wish, we could do a blind test and we can also do the points system you mention, but the points system will not be blind.
I'd like to hear what others may suggest.
True...the objective of the proposed shoot-out is to compare all the popular upscaled DVD players performance & to see which one is among the best.
With a PJ and screen size that big, a dvd upscaler would definitely have a big impact on it but on smaller screen sizes like a 32inch lcd how large would its impact be.
I would say that both methods are subjective but with the nature of the experiment, a point system and ranking them after would be more applicable. Blind test is usually done when you are comparing two different parties; like blu ray vs hd dvd, analog vs digital, lcd vs plasma
Even with the point system, the judges should not know the brand they are judging so as not to create bias. By doing the A-B test, you would also arrive at ranking them from the best to the worst. I agree that we easily forget the video quality of one device so it is best to integrate both methods. If there is time constraints you could set a benchmark player and compare the rest to it if it would be ranked higher or lower to it and group them. And then repeat the process for the new group.
This might be possible. Sounds like one of those logical brain-twisters. ;D
Assume that we have the following devices to rank:
1. Pio 600
2. Oppo 983
3. PS3
4. HD-A35
5. Pio 600 with VP50
6. Pio 600 with Denon 2808
7. Oppo 981
What procedure would you suggest for the testing, keeping in mind that people's video memory can be short?
Assume that we have the following devices to rank:
1. Pio 600
2. Oppo 983
3. PS3
4. HD-A35
5. Pio 600 with VP50
6. Pio 600 with Denon 2808
7. Oppo 981
May I suggest to have multiple copies of reference source material, para sabay sabay maiplay yung mga scenes, then toggle na lang sa AVR yung source input.
How about burning the demo clips on 4 separate DVD-Rs, each having identical contents. Each player will have its own disc for faster switching.
The idea behind the blind test is to remove the knowledge that you are rating a particular product, because this might introduce some bias. In a blind test, however, you normally do A-B tests, i.e., one against another one. That's because our memory of the video quality is easily forgotten. Of course, if you are testing multiple products, then you have to a lot of A-B tests, and that is its weakness.
Between the 2, I think that a blind test is better, but harder to implement. I don't know what others think.
Assume that we have the following devices to rank:
1. Pio 600
2. Oppo 983
3. PS3
4. HD-A35
5. Pio 600 with VP50
6. Pio 600 with Denon 2808
7. Oppo 981
What procedure would you suggest for the testing, keeping in mind that people's video memory can be short?
AFAIK, blind tests are the norm for audio equipment, but not for video equipment. In audio, they have stricter methods for higher accuracy, the rationale being that ears are less reliable than eyes.
If this is the case, can we agree that this will NOT be a blind test? That will simplify a LOT of things.
Sample chart from Secrets DVD Benchmark: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?articles=all&function=search
Prog Scan shootout guide: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_10_1/dvd-benchmark-guide-to-progressive-scan-shootout-1-2003.html
Blind testing won't be necessary. If you browse my homeheaterhifi.com links, you'll find that not even the crew of Secrets uses blind testing for video.
Assignment of Paul will be to burn multiple copies of his disc. ;D
Mark, I have prepared two HQV discs & the score sheet mockup + score card should be ready after lunch.
Will drop over to your house this afternoon for your preview & test run. We'll catch up tomorrow 2pm to discuss further. :)
That's great! When is your Oppo 983 arriving? Have you confirmed that it has reached JAC NY?
Can you post some photos of the shootout test?
pchin and jay2 were at my place last Saturday and we tested the HQV Calibration disc with several different set-ups. The calibration disc is pretty awesome. Its not that difficult to understand and it already has a point system. In fact, we already have a pretty good idea of the points of some players, including some that really surprised me. Secret pa. ;D
We had fun testing the various DVD players at Mark's place. :D Using the HQV Benchmark disc is straighforward & seeing the different results esp the PS3 caught us by surprise. ;D
Hay si Paul! Sabi na nga secret! English naman yun, ano? ;D ;D
Let's just use the HQV score sheet. At least that is independent and we can't be accused of bias. :)
I am really really curious about the Oppo 983!! :)
Real world experience is still different from results of test cds.
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Here's my first take:
PQ: I watched Transformers (Region 3) again using the 983 and the PQ is really awesome, breathtaking, definitely better than my previous DVD player, almost near HD quality. This with upconversion to 720p via HDMI to Onkyo 705 then HDMI to TV (Samsung 50" L6HR DLP TV, 720p native resolution). After recalibrating my TV using GetGray, the PQ is simply awesome, color was more life-like and not artificial..
AQ: Excellent audio for both movie and CD, clearer, cleaner, in fact I have to reduce the volume on the receiver when listening to the BEST of FOURPLAY CD audio. I may not need a power amp anymore [for now ;) ] as my 7.1 audio system really sounds so much better with this DVD player.. Definitely, I will not buy a dedicated CD player anymore since this DVD player is already an excellent CD player as well..
Definitely, this DVD player is for keeps.. Never had regrets in buying this player even if this is expensive..
Definitely, this DVD player is for keeps.. Never had regrets in buying this player even if this is expensive..
Whoa...the more I'm salivating after reading your excellent feedback! :D
Hurry up JAC...hope I can get it latest by tomorrow in time for the long weekend. ::)
Here's the premise: We know that Blu-ray will definitely be better than SD DVD. But the question is, "Just how much better will Blu-ray really be when compared with an SD DVD, encoded from a high def master, upscaled on an Oppo 983, when both are viewed from 9-foot distance?"
Then that's great!
I'm sure a lot of members want to know how SD compares with BD under controlled conditions such as content (I am Legend ), monitor calibration, high-end upscaling (Oppo 983) and viewing distance.
You might also want to check the SD DVD's average bitrate using:
DVD Bit Rate Viewer (for PC): http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Other-VIDEO-Tools/DVD-Bit-Rate-Viewer.shtml
MacDVDBitrateParanoia (for Mac): http://web.mac.com/altero/altero/Soft_EN.html
I have the Superbit and the remastered Blu-Ray versions of "Fifth Element."
It will really be interesting to see if people can detect a difference. We can even try varying viewing distances for my 120" screen: From 15 feet to 23 feet. ;D
I have the Superbit and the remastered Blu-Ray versions of "Fifth Element."
I suspect a lot of people are familiar with the film because for the longest time, this has been the reference dvd of a lot of people. I myself know some scenes by heart.
It will really be interesting to see if people can detect a difference. We can even try varying viewing distances for my 120" screen: From 15 feet to 23 feet. ;D
Yes, this will be interesting too I'm also keen to see the difference of a newer SD movie (which has PQ improvement over older SD titles) vs Blu-ray. :)
Paul, I still buy a lot more SD titles than BD or HD. I havent found an SD disc which is CLEARLY better than Fifth Element Superbit. Maybe MIB 1 Superbit is equally good.
The point is that even if Fifth Element Superbit is a relatively old disc, I still find it to be THE reference material.
Of course there may be some SD disc out there which is way better but I haven't seen it yet. :)
I'm still busy now with my newborn baby
Yup, I agree Fifth Element Superbit is still one of the TOP reference DVDs. No doubt about that. ;)
However, not all movies nowdays are released in "Superbit" format. For the benefit of those who are sitting on the SD fence, I'm just curious how the "recent" SD movies PQ as Atty barrister suggested earlier esp those discs came from the same high def master hence not much difference btw SD vs HD. Also, some members say the SD PQ nowdays are much better than before (probably near Superbit quality?) thus, there's no urgency to migrate to HD yet as in atty barrister & MAtZTER's case . ;D
Perhaps to be fair to both SD & BD, we shouldn't just select the best SD discs to compare to HD...I'm sure the difference will certainly won't be that big. This will reinforce SD supporters' stand. ;D Probably it's best to select randomly SD samples from recent releases. e.g. If 7 out 10 SD DVDs tested PQ are "near HD" or "pretty good" then there's really no hurry to go HD.... otherwise it's justified to convert to HD or is it?? ;D
So hopefully Mark will be able to shed some light for us. :)
Uy! May baby ka na!! Congrats! :) :)
Cigars ba or chocolates ang pamigay mo?
However, not all movies nowdays are released in "Superbit" format. For the benefit of those who are sitting on the SD fence, I'm just curious how the "recent" SD movies PQ as Atty barrister suggested earlier esp those discs came from the same high def master hence not much difference btw SD vs HD. Also, some members say the SD PQ nowdays are much better than before (probably near Superbit quality?) thus, there's no urgency to migrate to HD yet as in atty barrister & MAtZTER's case . ;D
hehe..thanks baby girl, chocolates nalang. Will bring to the shootout hehe..Invited ako ha. ;D..
If we don't use Fifth Element Superbit, which titles do we use for comparing SD and BD?
You might also want to check the SD DVD's average bitrate using:
DVD Bit Rate Viewer (for PC): http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Other-VIDEO-Tools/DVD-Bit-Rate-Viewer.shtml
MacDVDBitrateParanoia (for Mac): http://web.mac.com/altero/altero/Soft_EN.html
Sige. Deal. Yung mahal na chocolate, ha! ;D
Mukhang naging complicated na issues mga kapatid. May I suggest something? Since this is strictly a "DVD players standoff", why don't you just simply compare connect all these players on a full hd plasma or lcd using a not so popularly known PQ movie like "Superman returns" Whatever player brings out the best in its crappy PQ wins. I think it would be best if its that simple. IMHO ;)
Well, iniiwasan lang natin na may magsabing defective daw ang shootout.
Two parts kasi ang testing.
Part 1 is the SD upscaling shootout, no Blu-ray involved. Tapos na tayo sa parameters nito.
Part 2 is the SD vs. Blu-ray, which will attempt to answer just how good Blu-ray really is when compared to a well-mastered SD DVD. We're attempting to define the parameters on this one.
We expect Blu-ray to perform better. But if the SD DVD is a poorly-encoded old release, then the comparison is unfair. Will the results be closer if we used a newly-remastered SD, or a new release of a new movie? If so, which SD title should we use? That's what we're finalizing here.
Pero sa totoo lang, naiinip na rin ako ... ;D
Wala pa ang Oppo 983 ni Paul. Meron lang si Oreoshake, e nasa Davao naman sya. ;D ;D
Di ko pa maisip paano gawin ang SD-BD comparison. I am thinking of using only one parameter and that would be detail. Other parameters kasi (contrast ratio, color accuracy) may be influenced by other factors such as the players and the projector.
Play a 5-minute scene?
Do you think getting a high bitrate/Superbit titles would be fair? Parang may konting daya na kasi. ::) or how about picking up a title at random (first), then do the high bitrates/Superbits later. :)
If BD is compared with a poorly mastered DVD, we already know that the result will be a night and day difference in favor of BD, so why bother?
If BD is compared with some of the best DVDs presently available, we still know that BD will be better, but we want to know just how much better BD is going to be.
Now I will just wait and see the difference in ratio, kung mga 70-80% close ::) , pwedeng pwede na.
This is a good test, it was a bit difficult for me to spot the difference at streetsmart's setup.
Definitely we should not consider the poorly mastered DVD, the Ratatouille you mentioned would be a good referrence. Now I will just wait and see the difference in ratio, kung mga 70-80% close ::) , pwedeng pwede na. many thanks sir barrister.
Other suggested titles might be useful for those with high end upscalers who want to compare using their own setups. A good rule of thumb is to choose titles released in both formats simultaneously, since it's likely that they were encoded from the same master.
Examples:
Ratatouille - SD Nov. 6, 2007; BD Nov. 6, 2007;
300 - SD Jul. 31, 2007; BD Jul 31, 2007;
I am Legend - SD Mar. 18, 2008; BD Mar. 18, 2008;
Pirates of the Carrib. 3 - SD Dec. 4, 2007; BD Dec. 4, 2007;
Troy Director's Cut - SD Sep. 18, 2007; BD Sep. 18, 2007.
I have "The Patriot" and "2001" in both formats. However, the SD versions aren't really new.
..I might have some discs na SD and Bluray..I have Independence day (the five star collection ata that came out years years ago).
Paul, when is your Oppo 983 arriving? I sense that people are getting impatient. ;D
Do you have BD or HD versions of Kingkong, Batman Begins or MI3? I have the SD versions and they are pretty good. These could be used for comparisons.
I also have the SD and HD versions of "300" but I doubt if that is a good film to use for comparisons cuz the contrast is purposely too high. Also purposely grainy.
Hopefully today or tomorrow JAC will notify me....I'm already tired of waiting na..hay! :-[
Yes, I have Kingkong, Batman Begins & MI3 (all in HD DVD). All these movies have great PQ. :)
Agree on the 300. The film is intentionally filled with sepia-toned hue for artistic purpose thus will be hard to compare.
Hay...after the long anxiety, finally I got my Oppo 983 today! :D
Haven't set it up yet as I just got home from work....will take a rest first. :)
Blu-ray porn: first-hand comparison to DVD
Candy Hudson
11 June 2008, 3:33 PM
My mission – which I’m starting to regret choosing to accept – is to compare and contrast the normal DVD version of the big-budget X-rated porn movie Pirates with the new 1080p version on Blu-ray disc.
xxx
... To triple check, I then call on a senior APCmag.com staff member who thought 1080p porn on Blu-ray would be such a hit, it would accelerate a wider adoption of the technology. In what has to rank as one of the more embarrassing moments of my journalistic career, I show him the two versions of the review scene and ask him to guess which is which.
After wrongly identifying the DVD as the 1080p Blu-ray, he is forced to agree that this technology appears to be a dud, at least when it comes to the picture quality of films in which grown she-pirates think it’s big and clever to double as candle stick holders.
http://apcmag.com/worlds_first_bluray_porno_firsthand_road_test.htm
Pirates BD is encoded in 1080p via AVC.
Hay...after the long anxiety, finally I got my Oppo 983 today! :D
Haven't set it up yet as I just got home from work....will take a rest first. :)
This is great information! I will order this from the States and tell my wife that you recommended it, for purely professional purposes. ;D
@barrister,
This is great information! I will order this from the States and tell my wife that you recommended it, for purely professional purposes. ;D
;D Tell her I recommended Pirates of the Caribbean, but you ordered Pirates XXX by mistake ;D
This morning before I left for work, I did a quick test using the HQV benchmark disc. Result is very encouranging except the noise scene which is not as good as in the PS3.
However, this weekend I shall do a proper setup/calibration on the player & do some more testing esp SD vs HD comparison. :) Hopefully by Monday, we could do a preliminary testing at Mark's HT! ;)
*Btw, I love the box packaging where the player is nicely stored inside the box with a black cover. I love the player slim & slick design. Opening all the cable freebies were fun. ;D
For those who are considering to purchase this Oppo 983 player & have it shipped via JAC the costing is as follow (pls use this as a reference only):
Oppo player $400 > P18,000 (using $1 = P45)
Weight: 10 lbs x $6 = $60 > P2,700
Handling fee: $5 > P225
Total payment: P18,000 (OPPO) + P2,925 (JAC) = P20, 925 :)
*If you plan to order, don't wait too long as our Peso value is depreciating :-[
sir, saan mo binili 983 mo?
I think I will be a good blind tester for this SD vs HD shootout.
since I only have a Tosh HD-A2 which can only go up to 720p/1080i.
And I do have a BD player yet.
I'll even get to learn more pa
;D
I think I will be a good blind tester for this SD vs HD shootout.
No admission fee for female members. :)Does this include the 3rd sex?
http://www.prillaman.net/oppo983_review.html
Kung 3rd sex, admission is one lechon baka. ;D
Other suggested titles might be useful for those with high end upscalers who want to compare using their own setups. A good rule of thumb is to choose titles released in both formats simultaneously, since it's likely that they were encoded from the same master.
Examples:
Ratatouille - SD Nov. 6, 2007; BD Nov. 6, 2007;
300 - SD Jul. 31, 2007; BD Jul 31, 2007;
I am Legend - SD Mar. 18, 2008; BD Mar. 18, 2008;
Pirates of the Carrib. 3 - SD Dec. 4, 2007; BD Dec. 4, 2007;
Troy Director's Cut - SD Sep. 18, 2007; BD Sep. 18, 2007.
I purchased a few "recent" various local released DVDs (Universal, Dreamworks, Lionsgate, etc) for testing purpose. PQ is very inconsistent with VIVA Video being the worst. :-[ In future I will avoid this at all cost (tho the low price is tempting) ;D However, those with "Imported" stickers on them have much better quality.
I got I am Legend in both SD & BD. Atty barrister is correct as the title was released in both formats simultaneously (from the same master) hence the SD PQ is very impressive! Both discs even have the same chapters. Last night I brought this disc along to Mark's HT to do some preliminary test & wow on his giant screen...it looks marvelous. Almost HD na. :D
Will be interesting to see the actual SD vs HD blindtest. Mark has cooked up a few nice "surprises" for the participants... ;D
Ya have to agree on all you said Pchin. The viva kinda suck nga. I noticed that too. However, the 275pesos viva Enchanted I bought that was priced at 750 before looked really good. I have to agree the one that says imported on the side is really good. I had a sneak peek hehe on this 983 thanks to Pchin, great hospitality. While playing some movies, I don't want to look at which player is playing just to see if I can tell which is HD. I have to tell you on some movies I was insecure to say which is which. I was SCARED to be wrong. ;D When you start looking at buildings and walls thats when you can tell its HD. On close ups on actors/actresses faces it is so close you can make a mistake on which is hd. So the big question. How how the carabao the below 3 1/2 star pq on these hddiscs. Is it worth the upgrade? Anyway the above is just my observation.hello moks007, decided ka na bumili ng oppo983? :D i tested the hqv that pchin gave to me nung saturday and to my surprise my pio dv400 failed in all the tests :( ;D and i did dropped by at the place where you got your pira** copy of hqv and i saw also that hqv but parang iba nga yung hqv na binebenta. the ones sold i think is for testing your displays and not the players, whereas paul's copy i think is for the testing of players. correct me paul if i'm wrong. :)
On another note, I also brought my pioneer dv600 for testing there and I wasn't impressed. It also failed a lot of hqv test I think. I was having picture adjustment problem with this player bec I find it too dark on factory settings. So Pchin suggested to use thx optimizer on the player setting mismo. So when I got home I adjusted the player and I have to say it is really impressive, although it failed so much on the hqv at Pchin's place. What a difference calibration makes. I mentioned before that the a35 blows this player away. I tested some james bond ultimate edition again on this pioneer and it really impressed me. I may compare it again to the A35, or I will just let you guys compare in the shootout ;D with more eyes. Of course its hard with only one tv. The best is two tv side by side, same settings.
Lastly, what I can't figure out is on Pchin's hqv test disc, I think this pioneer did not do good on the jaggies test (pls confirm pchin, I can't remember). However, I recently bought a P....ted hqv hd test disc (Test contents are different from pchin's) and it did good on the jaggies ???. IM CONFUSED ;D Maybe I did something wrong or read it wrong.. Anyway just wanna share my experiences and I think its better its done on the shootout bec Im not really a pro like you guys on this. Im having hard time just to use a calibration disc and all the technical language Im already confused ;D. This is just based on what I see on my tv. Anyway, I think on the big screen it will really show the big difference but the real market situation (mostly people own) is a 40 to 50 inch screen which I hope we can test these players on.
hello moks007, decided ka na bumili ng oppo983? :D i tested the hqv that pchin gave to me nung saturday and to my surprise my pio dv400 failed in all the tests :( ;D and i did dropped by at the place where you got your pira** copy of hqv and i saw also that hqv but parang iba nga yung hqv na binebenta. the ones sold i think is for testing your displays and not the players, whereas paul's copy i think is for the testing of players. correct me paul if i'm wrong. :)
I got I am Legend in both SD & BD. Atty barrister is correct as the title was released in both formats simultaneously (from the same master) hence the SD PQ is very impressive! Both discs even have the same chapters. Last night I brought this disc along to Mark's HT to do some preliminary test & wow on his giant screen...it looks marvelous. Almost HD na. :D
Will be interesting to see the actual SD vs HD blindtest. Mark has cooked up a few nice "surprises" for the participants... ;D
On another note, I also brought my pioneer dv600 for testing there and I wasn't impressed. It also failed a lot of hqv test I think. I was having picture adjustment problem with this player bec I find it too dark on factory settings.
But even in the unlikely event that it is duplicated, the first will always be the most memorable.
The first was the custom-made demo DVD set. It was a voluminous set compiled by enthusiastic participants. Others tried a part-2 set, but the follow-up project never got off the ground.
The part 3 of the Demo disk was the meanest & most successful compilation! It even caused so much stir & attacks from all directions, including racksr(not)us. ;D
Well, that just goes to show that the first is always the most memorable ;D.
The part 3 of the Demo disk was the meanest & most successful compilation!
Just to clarify, the "no-copying" policy didnt come from me. :) I sometimes get blamed for this. :(
Your HDMI switcher is also great so we can set up a lot of players for comparison purposes.
June 28 is shoot-out day! :)
However, I recently bought a P....ted hqv hd test disc (Test contents are different from pchin's) and it did good on the jaggies ???. IM CONFUSED ;D Maybe I did something wrong or read it wrong.
the ones sold i think is for testing your displays and not the players, whereas paul's copy i think is for the testing of players. correct me paul if i'm wrong. :)
The first one (3 disk) was made by sir bluray. the 2nd one by mheloy and the 3rd one by bluray again (7 disk uber compilation).
Just to clarify, the "no-copying" policy didnt come from me. :) I sometimes get blamed for this. :(
Maybe it's P....ted result hehe...joke lang ;D I'll give you a copy of the HQV test next week at Mark's place Raymond. Hope you could make it. :)
Idea naman ni Paul for the shoot-out is to test the following:
1. Oppo 983
2. Pio 600 or 696
3. Panasonic BD-30
4. Toshiba HD-A35
5. Toshiba HD-XA2 (kindly lent by Ernie)
6. Video processing of Denon 2808
7. Video processing of VP50Pro
We can accept other players but bring your own player.
Right now, our idea is to have 3 types of tests:
1. HQV benchmark test for SD playing
2. Blind SD vs BD test (2 minutes of same clip played with 2 different players). Identify which is BD, which is SD or give up ka
3. Guess if SD or BD (2-minute clip playing on unknown player). Identify if player is BD, SD or give up ka.
Suggestions are welcome.
... Standard vs. Standard only, will you guys do these comparisons? So we can tell how big are the differences of these players SD wise?
Wow xa2 is listed, that is awesome. Thanks sir Ernie
Sir question lang, what about like for example 983 vs xa2 or a35 vs. 983 etc etc. Standard vs. Standard only, will you guys do these comparisons? So we can tell how big are the differences of these players SD wise? para to tell for example if one have a unit listed already if its worth the upgrade to the higher end units, or will you just test BD vs SD, on how big is the difference
Ok but lets be practical about this. I think that most people would like Pio 600 vs Oppo 983 cuz most people have Pio 600 and are looking to upgrade.
Maybe A35 vs 983 would be interesting cuz I think a lot have the A35.
But I don't know if it would be useful to have XA2 vs any other player cuz very few people have the XA2 and its no longer in production.
Maybe Pio 600 using Denon 2808 video processing vs Oppo 983 would also be good.
Yes, definitely.
The shootout was originally intended to test SD upscaling capabilities. The SD-BD challenge was added later as an afterthought.
Nevertheless, SD upscaling remains the primary objective of the shootout.
Hi mercury724, how are you? You left too early you missed Pchins pansit mirienda, It was really good. I wanna ask for the recipe is its home cooking or where he bought it hehe..Ya the one I bought says silicon optix hqv hd tests. Some of the tests are the same like Pchins. I don't know, this technical stuff Im not sure hehe. Ya I know nga the pioneer did not do well on these tests. Thats why I really notice the A35 more detailed when Im watching my region 1 dvds its is really sharp. On the Pchins hqv the a35 did really well on the details test. We have to ask Paul about these discs hehe..i'm good bro. :) oo nga eh sabi nga commander ni pchin why leaving so soon may pancit for mirienda...tsk tsk sayang natikman ko sana yung masarap na pancit :) pero ok lang sa susunod pag nag invite uli si paul. hahahaha! ;D
isasama pa rin po ba ung PS3?
isasama pa rin po ba ung PS3?
leomar, hope you could join us & bring along your PS3. Will be nice for comparison. :)
I really really love to join this historic event sir, but distance, time and airfare don't allow me too. :-\
Like to know din *sana* kung may differences ang Blu vs Blurip ;D ;D
Like to know din *sana* kung may differences ang Blu vs Blurip ;D ;D
Like to know din *sana* kung may differences ang Blu vs Blurip ;D ;D
Ops...my bad! ;D Any other member that also own a PS3 & could participate in this event? :)
hi paul, i can bring my ps3 including the blu-ray player remote. if this will be on the 28th, i have to leave early but i can leave the ps3 with you. i will just get it from your condo.
sir streetsmart, is it ok if i invite myself? ;D
hi paul,
i can bring my ps3 including the blu-ray player remote. if this will be on the 28th, i have to leave early but i can leave the ps3 with you. i will just get it from your condo.
sir streetsmart,
is it ok if i invite myself? ;D
Can I ask what is the brand and model and specs of the display panel to be used in the shootout?
Does it have a VGA input?
Hi Dennis. I sent you a PM invitation. Did you receive it?
hi sir mark!
received the PM invitation ;D i'll be there and will bring the ps3. will also bring pansit palabok :D
ano kaya ang nangyari..... ::) ::) ::)
June 28 pa Chief. ;)
eksayted na kasi ako sa magandang ebent na eto.... ;D ;D ;D
what movies will be used for the shoot-out kaya?
I wanna see SD vs HD of
- Blade Runner
- Hulk
- Hollow Man
- Ratatouille
- Batman Begins
- Spider-Man 3
- Terminator
- King Kong
- The Rock
hmmm.... what other movies pa can be used
Had experience shoot-out before with the CD players, medyo mahirap. I suggest 2 units at a time then select the best. Then lahat ng 1st place for the 2nd showdown to see the overall winner. Added to this, audience should not see the player brand being played dapat blind test. You should talk about the criteria and prefer the set-up especially the materials, dapat meron na kayo 2 similar DVD or BD. para switching na lang. If HDMI dapat all HDMI same brand para walang variables.
By the way, I suggest to calibrate all the players first to eliminate set-up variables when it comes to PQ. Every player has it's own default set-up.
Paul and I met last night and we more or less finalized the plan for the shoot-out. For reasons that are apparent below, we will test 8 different set-ups. At the moment, we will test the following:
1. Oppo 983
2. Oppo 981
3. PS3
4. Pio 600
5. Toshiba HD-A35
6. Toshiba HD-XA2
7. Panasonic BD30
8. Pio 600 passing through Denon 2808
We will have 4 different tests. Each one will be "blind." You won't know which player is being tested.
First test: Rate each player, using HQV Benchmark disc.
Second test: Using the ratings from the 1st test, we rank the players from 1 to 8. We then do match-ups, using the same SD material for each match-up.
First match-up: No. 1 vs. no. 8, No. 2 vs 7, No. 3 vs 6, No. 4 vs 5
Second match-up: First & Last winners, Middle 2 winners
Third match-up: The 2 winners from 2nd match-up
Third test: Compare 2 or 4 of the best SD players vs BD player, using same movie. There will be a rating system so you can tell, more or less, how near the SD players are to BD
Fourth test: Guessing game. Just guess if the player is BD or SD
We have around 8 or 9 people confirmed to attend. We need a few more volunteers to participate. :)
By the way, those who will participate will be able to see Popcorn Hour in action. 720p and 1080p material. Plug & Play. We tested it and so far, the quality is pretty incredible. :)
Unfortunately, High-def movies (more than 720p x 480p) will not play on the Oppo 983..
I have the ff titles,sadly I can come but willing to lend it. Mandaluyong or makati meet-up lang :)
1. Miami Vice- region1
5. Mr. & Mrs. Smith-region 3 1st release
6. The Devil Wears Prada-region 3 imported dvd
7. MI:III-region 3 2discs collector's edition
8. Spiderman 3-region 1 also I have spiderman 1 superbit in region 1 also
sayang kuya ricky, I'm planning to go eh.
I can bring my R3 of Mr & Mrs. Smith.
What about Transformers?
sayang kuya ricky, I'm planning to go eh.
I can bring my R3 of Mr & Mrs. Smith.
What about Transformers?
Sige. Dalhin mo Mr. & Mrs. Smith.
Meron ako HD ng Transformers. Meron ka ba SD copy? Kung meron ka, pwede mo na rin dalhin. Thanks!
Oo nga sayang, I wont be able to make it. :( Pero ok na din kasi maiinggit lang ako ;D
bro punta ka na treat kita :D
If someone volunteers an Oppo 981, that would be great. Wala lang ako kilala na merong ganun.
We would like to confirm if someone has offered his OPPO 981 & has contacted Mark? Tnx
Kung Mcdo di bale na ;D kahit eat all you can pa ;D perahin ko na lang pare ;) ;D
pare lapit lang dito robinsons dami na choices dun. layo ng shangrila eh commute lang ako :)
confirmed 981 is available tomorrow :D
joke lang yon, sorry paul o.t. kami :-[
This is great great news. I wanna see this player in action hehe..I think you too sir sanmig hehe...
confirmed 981 is available tomorrow :D
moks,bro mukhang derecho na 983 mo kasi satisfied ka sa demo mo kila paul :D
kita kits,sana may galing south para makisabay na lang ako.
hehe need approval from my wife, the 981 lang she wanna slap me na, galit na. She said meron na pioneer 600, sony ns76. How many dvd players you want? This is the usual response/question from our wives right? ;D
Parang handbag lang or shoes ang dvd player. Bili mo sya Gucci bag. ;D ;D
What time ang shootout ninyo guys? Kakainggit kau..
Parang handbag lang or shoes ang dvd player. Bili mo sya Gucci bag. ;D ;D
Ano na kaya nangyari sa shoot-out? ::)
Not to preempt our gracious hosts of the results of the shootout, all I could say is it was truly a very enlightening and educational evening for all of us. I have never been to a very formal and well organized shootout like that. It was complete with score cards, very comfortable seating, a truly well calibrated HT, siomai, chips and dips, Pansit malabon, and an assortment of drinks. It was also a chance to meet colleagues in the hobby and share one's thoughts and knowledge about it. It was very nice and enjoyable meeting everyone! I'll just wait for either Sir Mark or Paul to post the results. Bravo guys and my sincerest thanks. ;D
I have to say that this is the most enjoyable time I had as a pinoydvd member. A lot of laughs with the great/cool fellow members, kuentohan, eating etc. I would like to thank Sir Mark and Paul for organizing this, setting up everything and especially to Sir Mark for letting us use his place. Paul with his 983, and the rest of the gang with all their dvd players to make this a success.
I will let streetsmart and pchin do the honors in telling you guys the results after everything they went thru to make this shootout a success.
All I have to say is there are really some surprises.. :D..Stay tuned..Do I sound like Bill Hunt?
I wanna watch a full length movie there :D
Hehe. At the end, I think the happiest guy was ESi kasi ang ganda nga ng performance ng 980.
It was complete with score cards, very comfortable seating, a truly well calibrated HT, siomai, chips and dips, Pansit malabon, and an assortment of drinks.
We had intended to do an SD vs BD test and a guessing test, wherein the judge guesses whether the disc is BD or SD. Masaya yun kasaya maraming daya kami ni Paul Chin, using processors, *special* discs and *special* players. Due to time constraints, di naman nagawa.
I just wish we calibrated the 981 bec it really looked bad, there is something wrong ;D.
Hmm...I'm curious of this too...maybe we can have a "revisit" shootout for the top 4 players in future? :)
Can the owner of OPPO 981 confirm/check what setting the player used during the testing?
i've checked the oppo dv-981 settings already and i now think i know where the problem lies.
the manifest problem that we were quite surprised about is the seeming lack of picture contrast. it really seems too low for our taste and color appears washed out. i browsed the items in the video tab of the oppo player and there is a setting there for "RGB Range" with a choice between "Normal" and "Enhanced". it was set at the "normal" mode when it was tested in the shootout. switching it to the "enhanced" mode, there is a very definite change in the picture contrast... closer to the picture balance of the other players.
It's good we are able to reserve some bullets to shoot in future. :D
Due to the good response, maybe we can consider to organize another shootout in the near future with the above mentioned parameter. What say you Mark? ;D
Hmm...I'm curious of this too...maybe we can have a "revisit" shootout for the top 4 players in future? :)
Can the owner of OPPO 981 confirm/check what setting the player used during the testing?
i've checked the oppo dv-981 settings already and i now think i know where the problem lies.
the manifest problem that we were quite surprised about is the seeming lack of picture contrast. it really seems too low for our taste and color appears washed out. i browsed the items in the video tab of the oppo player and there is a setting there for "RGB Range" with a choice between "Normal" and "Enhanced". it was set at the "normal" mode when it was tested in the shootout. switching it to the "enhanced" mode, there is a very definite change in the picture contrast... closer to the picture balance of the other players.
Ay sayang, I really wanted to see this player in pure form, with all cylinders running. Im sure its a great player also. I also hope there will be a part 2, Lets start at 12pm? hehe...Early lunch at home hehe..
i've checked the oppo dv-981 settings already and i now think i know where the problem lies.
the manifest problem that we were quite surprised about is the seeming lack of picture contrast. it really seems too low for our taste and color appears washed out. i browsed the items in the video tab of the oppo player and there is a setting there for "RGB Range" with a choice between "Normal" and "Enhanced". it was set at the "normal" mode when it was tested in the shootout. switching it to the "enhanced" mode, there is a very definite change in the picture contrast... closer to the picture balance of the other players.
;D I 'm very disappointed with Pio dv600 that it didn't even make it to the midfield. :( I was also shocked with the result of the shoot-out and Oppo 983 being the winner. I thought it would just be behind the BDP but I didn't expect it to win. Congrats sa'yo! ;D ;D
First round
983 d. Pio 600 6:3
A35 d. BD30 5:4
980 d. PS3 5:4
XA2 d. 981 10:0
bro dyerds, don't be too hard on our dv-600. i tell you it did came down fighting.
as you can see, the pio was up against a very strong contender. but if you have seen the same clips as played through these players, there wasn't really any significant difference. both pictures appeared crisp and contrasty. you'll be really hard-pressed to pick a better one.
although it was really a different matter in the performance test as you can really see the jaggies for example. but then, in real world situations... only OC people such as us would really notice. ;D
I guess the BD30's pathetic SD DVD performance dragged it down. Or was it scored based purely on its HD performance? But a Upconversion player defeating the vaunted PS3 is something. Did you use only a SD DVD reference disc to test on both the OPPO 980 vs PS3? Or did you use a reference SD DVD on the OPPO 980 and a blu version on the PS3? (SD DVD Criterion's Rock vs Blu version's Rock) What reference HD test discs did use for HD DVD and BD?
i think this is more a test on the SD performance. an SD vs. BD test (plus some others) was in the program but due to time constraints we only managed to finish the SD performance shootout.
For HD Players, expected naman ang poor performance since secondary lang ang SD DVD upconversion. :) At least the PS3 SD DVD HQV performance puts other real upconversion SD DVD players to shame... ;D
Nice to hear that our Pio still fight till the end. Go Pacquiao! Este Pio pala. ;D It really means a lot that someone still voted on our Pio because it still really do good side by side with those expensive players. Sayang nga lang at hindi nakasama para nakita ko rin yung nakita nyo. ;)
Nasaan na ang mga picture?
Don't worry. We should be able to think of another good excuse to do an EB. Maybe, something like Christmas. ;D ;D
To iiinaslao, zedric, moks007, sanmig_ph and juancho who i met for the 1st time, nice meeting you guys. :)
JollyBMcDonald 8)
What's the HQV benchmark and does the close score between the PS3 and 983 mean almost the same ang performance nila sa SD upscaling?
Ang sarap naman ng tawa ni ESi sa pictures nya. ;D ;D
Congrats! :)
Now I'm thinking twice about getting the 983 pa. I have a PS3 and I tried just once playing SD on it - original Region 3 Transformers - but I found the quality to be far inferior to BD. Have'nt tried it recently with all the PS3 firmware upgrades though. Could those have improved the PQ?
Anyone selling a 980? ;D
Its an Asian 80 gigger. So many firmware upgrades I've lost track already. Using it for BD and gaming only (MGS4 rocks!). Question: Is it your opinion that the 980 will more than satisfy my desire to have a rockin' upscaling DVD player? That the performance delta versus the 983 isn't so big as to justify the price diff? :)
After the shoot-out, I am now actually seriously considering the Oppo 980
Me too, really itching, I'm trying to hold out as much as possible.. ;D..because I wanna check out the toshiba superupconverts muna. This I think has the cell processor also, same as the ps3. With how the ps3 scored here in the shootout, I'm already imagining how good these toshibas can be. If they really can perform what some are saying..Wow..This is the only thing holding me back purchasing the 980 right now (my wife gave me an ultimatum on last dvd player purchase dapat) I have to get the BEST ;D, if not for this superupconverts I already clicked the Buy Now in Amazon for the 980 ;D
sir raymond, kelan ba labas nitong superupconverting player ng toshiba? looks like a good option nga, if they are employing sony's cell chip.
Of course, the really funny thing is that the best player was probably the Popcorn pero syempre may daya yun kasi 720p material. ;D
Hello sir, they said within this year ata,
check this out:
http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=67118
napabili tuloy ako ng popcorn because of this EB/Shoot out :D bad influence talaga tong si sir mark ;D
@Moks
Yes, I am also very curious about the Toshiba Super upconverting DVD players.
I'm holding out on the 980 for now. :D
@Saxman
I'm not too into the popcorn hour honestly.
It's impressive Yes, Sound was killer.
However, I'm the type who wants to hold something tangible.
I like looking at my DVD's ;D
After the shoot-out, I am now actually seriously considering the Oppo 980
saan po ba makakabili ng oppo980 and how much? thanks
saan po ba makakabili ng oppo980 and how much? thanks
Hehe. But I don't think you'll regret it. Post mo lang feedback mo. :)
PCH is great piece of equipment ;D I can't anything negative to it, simply amazing :o
sayang wasn't able to come sa shootout.. :(
Sayang. Sana nakita at narinig mo PCH. One of the stars. Hehe. ;D
otepsy, bili ka ng Oppo 980
It's worth it. I think it costs only $169.95
Any major factor to consider in regards to the difference of 980 and 983? TIA
I think the major difference is the chipset used for deinterlacing/scaling. 983 has more advanced chipset. That's why nanalo sya sa shoot-out.
Having said that, the 980 is also pretty good, or at least better than the Pio 600. On a smaller screen, say 42" and below, I think it will be very hard to tell the difference between the 2.
Paul Chin should chime in since he has the 983. Also the other guys who attended the shoot-out
sir streetsmart,
would you say na pareho na halos ang pq ng 980 and dv600 on a 32" lcd (panny)?
I have a lx77 32" and am doing a lot of research... whether getting the 980 would be worth it.. or is the dv600 good enough na?
your comment much appreciated.
How about for pj with 70-90" screen? Would you still suggest the 980 or better get the 983 instead? Many thanks sir mark.
Having said that, the 980 is also pretty good, or at least better than the Pio 600. On a smaller screen, say 42" and below, I think it will be very hard to tell the difference between the 2.
**I'm still drooling over Mark's VP50pro. :P
hi. to Oppo users/experts.... sorry is dumb question but i just got my Oppo 981. is it ideal to connect the HDMI connection directly to the TV or receiver? i used a Pioneer LX-50 receiver? ??? was thinking if the upconverting capabilities of the receiver would conflict with the Oppo.
thanks!
It's normally not recommended to have dual upconverting, i.e., upconverting at the player and then upconverting at the receiver. Therefore, connecting the 981 directly to the TV is probably correct because of the advanced upconverting capability of the player.
If you want to experiment, try to send a raw video signal (480i) from the 981 to your receiver. Activate the upconverting feature of the receiver and connect it to the TV.
You can choose which one you prefer. You will likely prefer the 981 direct to the TV.
@ streetsmart -- i appreciate the reply. thanks! i will try that later. have a few more questions if you don't mind.
i connected the Oppo directly to my receiver... receiver outputs directly to TV via HDMI. when i first tried playing the disc, was impressed by the results. but i realized later that the Oppo was set only at 480p so i guess that's where the receiver did the upconverting as you mentioned right? anyway, when i switched the Oppo to 1080p -- you can really tell the difference -- video wise.
however, i don't understand why when i set it to 1080p, the sound sort of skips, or briefly stops as if it's not in sync for around a second or 2. the display on my receiver flashes from "Dolby Digital" to "Dial Norm+2" and back to Dolby when sound resumes. I don't know what it means. It doesn't happen when i set the Oppo to 1080i or lower. i tried 2 Region 1 discs and a Region 3 and experienced the same thing. any ideas?
i have yet to try if it will happen if i connect the Oppo directly to TV via HDMI and output the sound thru the receiver via an optical cable. i'll also try Oppo to receiver via HDMI, but use optical cable to output the sound.
thanks again.
thanks oreoshake. it happens when the movie is playing so it should play Dolby Digital throughout right? when the sound skips, you miss dialogs in the movie plus it can be irritating. how can that be normal? ??? parang CD sya na tumatalon. and as mentioned, it happens when i set the Oppo to 1080p. i'm using naman a full HD tv.
the display on my receiver flashes from "Dolby Digital" to "Dial Norm+2" and back to Dolby when sound resumes.
@ streetsmart -- i appreciate the reply. thanks! i will try that later. have a few more questions if you don't mind.
i connected the Oppo directly to my receiver... receiver outputs directly to TV via HDMI. when i first tried playing the disc, was impressed by the results. but i realized later that the Oppo was set only at 480p so i guess that's where the receiver did the upconverting as you mentioned right? anyway, when i switched the Oppo to 1080p -- you can really tell the difference -- video wise.
however, i don't understand why when i set it to 1080p, the sound sort of skips, or briefly stops as if it's not in sync for around a second or 2. the display on my receiver flashes from "Dolby Digital" to "Dial Norm+2" and back to Dolby when sound resumes. I don't know what it means. It doesn't happen when i set the Oppo to 1080i or lower. i tried 2 Region 1 discs and a Region 3 and experienced the same thing. any ideas?
i have yet to try if it will happen if i connect the Oppo directly to TV via HDMI and output the sound thru the receiver via an optical cable. i'll also try Oppo to receiver via HDMI, but use optical cable to output the sound.
thanks again.
Hay...finally my payment process at Oppo Digital was successful! :DSir,
Payment Details (PayPal)
Transaction ID: XYZ
Item Price: $413.00 USD
Total: $413.00 USD
Order Description: 1 OPPO DV-983H 1080p Up-Converting Universal DVD Player with ABT and 7.1CH Audio
Buyer: PChin
Ship to: ATTN: PinoyDVD.com/PChin, Johnny Air Cargo, 69-04 Roosevelt Avenue, Woodside, USA
Sir,
May we know how much JAC charged you to ship to Manila?
however, i don't understand why when i set it to 1080p, the sound sort of skips, or briefly stops as if it's not in sync for around a second or 2. the display on my receiver flashes from "Dolby Digital" to "Dial Norm+2" and back to Dolby when sound resumes. I don't know what it means. It doesn't happen when i set the Oppo to 1080i or lower. i tried 2 Region 1 discs and a Region 3 and experienced the same thing. any ideas?
i have yet to try if it will happen if i connect the Oppo directly to TV via HDMI and output the sound thru the receiver via an optical cable. i'll also try Oppo to receiver via HDMI, but use optical cable to output the sound.
Sir,
May we know how much JAC charged you to ship to Manila?
I think that "Dial Norm+2" refers to "Dialogue Normalization." That should happen only when you start playing the disc. If it happens in the middle of the movie, there's a problem.
I suspect it is the HDMI cable. As you said, try to connect the player direct to the display and then use optical cable to the AVR for the sound. That should be more stable. Quite often kasi, maraming problema ang HDMI cable connection.
Sir pls let me know your feedback on the 981 when you plug it straight to your tv (also how big is your tv?, for purposes of comparing bec I just have a 46 inch). Thanks
I finally got to connect my Oppo 981 straight to the TV via HDMI, and the sound through the Pioneer LX50 via optical cable. PQ is excellent although my untrained eye couldn't tell difference between straight to TV connection or if the Oppo is connected straight to the receiver. A side by side comparison would have helped.
Would really prefer to pass video/audio direct to the receiver via HDMI so i can control all my connections thru it. but as mentioned in ealier posts, i wasn't able to resolve that "Dialogue Normalization" thing that happens frequently in the middle of the movie if i set the Oppo to upscale to 1080p. i can only have a problem-free connection if i set it at 1080i. i don't know if it's a bug in my Oppo unit or the receiver. I will be testing my receiver pag dating nun Oppo unit of my bro. Anyone else have any idea how i can correct the problem or if you think ok na rin that i just set the Oppo to upscale at 1080i. Di ko rin alam kasi difference. ??? This is all new to me pa. :)
To me the shocker was the 980 ;D..I'm thinking tuloy to get this player ;D
Looks so goooood for the price..Man it looks excellent against ps3 and xa2 considering the price difference. If money is no object, I would get the 983 hehe..
Ya I agree bec of time constraint we cant calibrate every player. I just wish we calibrated the 981 bec it really looked bad, there is something wrong ;D.
There is actually a comparison chart for all models of the OPPO DVD player and it is stated in this chart what model is compatible with the type of TV that you have
CLICK ME (http://oppodigital.com/dv980h/dv980h_comp.asp)
hinde pala puede mag-order direct sa oppo special kung oppo dv-983, hindi pala sila nagdedeliver sa pilipinas. :-[
You can order online but have it delivered to JAC-NJ.. JAC-NJ will then ship it here in the Philippines.. You have to be a member of JAC before you have items delivered to its US address..
@oreoshake
may i know how can i do that?
mas mabigat kasi ito kaysa sa 981, but a fellow member told me na for his 981, he paid jac around 5k, lahat lahat na. ;)Posted this in another thread, but you folks would be pleased to know that shipping cost of my 981 via JAC NY was only P2,635.00. I got it yesterday, and enjoying every minute of it.
Posted this in another thread, but you folks would be pleased to know that shipping cost of my 981 via JAC NY was only P2,635.00. I got it yesterday, and enjoying every minute of it.
Posted this in another thread, but you folks would be pleased to know that shipping cost of my 981 via JAC NY was only P2,635.00. I got it yesterday, and enjoying every minute of it.
Nah! Megamall pick-up.
Sir did you order from amazon or directly from oppo. Just to give me an idea of how much my 980 will cost ;D, I ordered from amazon, sometimes kasi amazon double box. Thanks
Sir did you order from amazon or directly from oppo. Just to give me an idea of how much my 980 will cost ;D, I ordered from amazon, sometimes kasi amazon double box. ThanksNeither. I ordered via Ebay. Paid $135 +24.99 shipping. I don't have a price for the 980. My 981 came in a single box. I estimate the incremental weight of the 2nd box not to exceed two lbs.
Sir did you order from amazon or directly from oppo. Just to give me an idea of how much my 980 will cost ;D, I ordered from amazon, sometimes kasi amazon double box. Thanks
Neither. I ordered via Ebay. Paid $135 +24.99 shipping. I don't have a price for the 980. My 981 came in a single box. I estimate the incremental weight of the 2nd box not to exceed two lbs.
Raymund, if you ordered directly from Amazon, siguradong double box yun. If you used a 3rd party, there's a good chance na single box lang.
Neither. I ordered via Ebay. Paid $135 +24.99 shipping. I don't have a price for the 980. My 981 came in a single box. I estimate the incremental weight of the 2nd box not to exceed two lbs.
You can order directly from Oppodigital.com.. They don't double-box.. Kung ano ung box ng unit, un na un..
You can order directly from Oppodigital.com.. They don't double-box.. Kung ano ung box ng unit, un na un..
yap! ordered other model arrived in original box. walang namang problema... ;D
ayunoh, tagyaman yata ngayon a hehehe
congrats sir audiojunkie! ;D
You can order directly from Oppodigital.com.. They don't double-box.. Kung ano ung box ng unit, un na un..
@OREOSHAKE
tumatanggap ba ang Oppo ng credit card natin? hindi ba ang mastercard and visa ay international credit card.
pa-ot lang guys ha ..
i remembered during your upscaler shootout that the ps3 did good, ranked #3 ba?
anyway, i have an htpc around 15k worth (less), (without the branded psu) .. and it upscaled my dvd a bit better that ps3 ...
maybe we can include my htpc on your next shooutout ...
this will benefit our members that are planning to setup an htpc or are already using one .. :)
What's the specs of your htpc?amd 4600 x2 (recommended is at 4200 x2)
Neither. I ordered via Ebay. Paid $135 +24.99 shipping. I don't have a price for the 980. My 981 came in a single box. I estimate the incremental weight of the 2nd box not to exceed two lbs.
what's the recommended oppo model for 42-50" Plasma (Panasonic)
if its 42" i think 980 and 983 oks, pag 50" 981 and 983.
based on their reco, 980 for small screen 42" below, 981 for 42" up and for 983, anything goes.
thanks for the quick reply im planning kasi to get one for my 42pv70 and also if time comes na mag upgrade ako to 50" and another question is how far is the difference vs dv600 (ito kasi gamit ko ngayon) would you say na worth ba ang oppo 983? thanks
do you think kung right settings ng 981 mas ok sya sa 980...?
pero kung i compare natin yung dv600 sa 980 malaki ba difference. thanks pinakamura ba sa 3 models yung 980?
do you think kung right settings ng 981 mas ok sya sa 980...?
pero kung i compare natin yung dv600 sa 980 malaki ba difference. thanks pinakamura ba sa 3 models yung 980?
do you think kung right settings ng 981 mas ok sya sa 980...?
it should, kasi on paper, mas maganda advance and chipset na gamit nya for upscaling.
pero kung i compare natin yung dv600 sa 980 malaki ba difference. thanks pinakamura ba sa 3 models yung 980?
i think sir audio junkie has answered your question already. its i think (i maybe wrong here) its 170$ for 980, 230$ for 981 and 399$ for 983
The 980 is the cheapest among the three OPPO models. It carries a $169.99 price tag (SRP). 981's SRP is $229.00, while the 983 is priced at $399.00.
your can check out more info about OPPO HERE (http://oppodigital.com/) ;D
sadly plus Tax pa :( :( :( and an option to extend the warranty na very tempting ;D
Mukhang good buy na yun e-bay source since the total including the delivery(to the Philippines?) would only be $159.99 which is less than the price from Amazon and Oppo. Is this brand new? Anyway I also searched for Oppo at e-bay and here's what I found: http://cgi.ebay.ph/OPPO-UNIVERSAL-DVD-PLAYER-1080p-UPCONVERT-FREE-HDMI-NEW_W0QQitemZ260276742021QQihZ016QQcategoryZ15077QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem
Sir this auction is still 4 days away, the price would surely increase a few hours before it ends, i was able to win a oppo dv-981, but i didnt send it through JAC, coz the seller is charging $20 within any state, plus arnd $70 for JAC-nj to Phils, total of $90 unlike if the seller sends it to Phils directly total of $57 lang, fedex pa. hehe :)
Posted this in another thread, but you folks would be pleased to know that shipping cost of my 981 via JAC NY was only P2,635.00. I got it yesterday, and enjoying every minute of it.
Sir did you order from amazon or directly from oppo. Just to give me an idea of how much my 980 will cost ;D, I ordered from amazon, sometimes kasi amazon double box. Thanks
Neither. I ordered via Ebay. Paid $135 +24.99 shipping. I don't have a price for the 980. My 981 came in a single box. I estimate the incremental weight of the 2nd box not to exceed two lbs.
Yup I'm sure it will still increase before the bid closing. I thought that Notarius got a good deal with his Oppo dv981 but reading back I am now confused ??? as to how much did it cost him:
Sir this auction is still 4 days away, the price would surely increase a few hours before it ends, i was able to win a oppo dv-981, but i didnt send it through JAC, coz the seller is charging $20 within any state, plus arnd $70 for JAC-nj to Phils, total of $90 unlike if the seller sends it to Phils directly total of $57 lang, fedex pa. hehe :)
How much is the landing cost for lets say....ordering 980 or 981 at their site shipped to JAC then Manila? TIA2 weeks ago at then prevailing US$ exchange rate, I paid JAC P2635.00.
i just check the 983 from amazon and is $399.99 with free shipping within the usa, kung dito na ako bibili and shipped to JAC-NJ makakamura ng kaunti compare sa oppodigital with $14 shipping cost.
no tax if you send it thru JAC-NJ.. ;D ;D ;D
2 weeks ago at then prevailing US$ exchange rate, I paid JAC P2635.00.
Hi,
Saw this full page ad at The FILIPINO REPORTER Newspaper that Papa has downstairs.
$35 Promo Period from 8/1- 8/31 to Metro Manila and Luzon Only.
$40 to Visayas and Mindanao. Box size: 28X18X17 (looks like rectangle box)
Pick up of boxes should be scheduled before 8/31 to avail of the promo price.
To schedule free pick-up, pls call 800- 522-9507
The rates of other shipment of balikbayan boxes to PI here are:
NO WEIGHT RESTRICTION on all BBOXES
UMAC 908-964-9088
$65
35-40 days max arrive in Metro Manila
Sat free pickup ok
LBC 201-434-8454 $65 (after 8/31/08)
FOREX 800.549.7113 $69
I have a friend who bought a 981 through oppo website and sent it thru JAC. Total of 12lbs shipping cost paid to JAC was P3,400. :o
i mentioned this to my officemate..and he told me that he's not gonna have problems having electronic/AV devices getting in our country ..
if you guys want .. ill ask him to join pdvd .. humihingi kasi ng patong eh .. lolz
wala naman problem kung papatong, basta reasonable at reliable, and of course after patong should be cheaper than buying locally, kasi syempre, one of the things that's good buynig locally is because of the warranty, but if the price (including service fee) is still significantly lower, some people will risk the warranty. i know i will. ;Dwhat is the current local price? so i can inform him in advance :)
what is the current local price? so i can inform him in advance :)
i don't think anybody is selling this unit (983) here now, but some got it from the u.s. then have them shipped here through jac so the math is, $399 * 46 (para safe) = 18,354 + jac shipping cost which some say is at around 3,000 = 21,354 up to 22,000, so kung kaya ng friend mo ng mga ganun i think may kakagat sa offer, not only for the 983 but for other items as well (ie receivers, bluray players, camera etc.) ;)dumugo ilong ko dun ah .. :)
diba po kung bibili ka ng mga dvd players, projectors , amp..etc. sa US 110v un? so gagamit ka pa ng transformer??
ahh okie po..salamat sir..:)
I've read a lot of good reviews about the video performance of this player.
How about its performance in audio? Is it good for playing DVD Audio, CDs and HDCDs? Or should I look elsewhere for a more dedicated audio player (e.g. Rotel, Rega Apollo, etc)?
Ok naman sya for Audio CDs (am not an audiophile) but I guess for a better audio performance, go for a dedicated CD player..
dumugo ilong ko dun ah .. :)Huh?
my friend told me about the packaging .. he was suggesting that we do not include stryos (just the box), if theres any .. in that way he could put more items inside the box ..
Huh?
With JAC, you get charged the higher of shipping weight or volumetric weight. If you replace styro (which is lighter) with merchandise, what do you think happens to shipping weight? :)
Won't be cheaper, bro!
Just ordered a 983H from Amazon for shipping thru JAC. I hope its worth it. :) BTW is this thing universal voltage or 110 lang?
Thanks. Thats good to know. Is it region free out of the box or one has to fiddle with it first?
BTW, a word of caution to online buyers: It's much easier ordering this thing from Amazon. The Oppo site is buggy if you use anything but Visa/Mastercard. For a while I even thought I was a victim of online fraud when 6 unsuccessful checkout attempts from the Oppo site resulted in my Amex getting charged 6 times! 'Twas resolved but only after many emails and calls.
Agree with Mark. For display size 50" and below, OPPO 980 should be sufficient to meet your requirement esp after considering the price of OPPO 983 which is overkill IMO.
For those who have big display screen or own projectors then I'd say go for OPPO 983 if there's no objection on the price.
**I'm still drooling over Mark's VP50pro. :P
Aren't they using the same AB VRS chips - the 983 and the VP50? Did you guys get to compare these 2? :)
Thanks for the reply. Hmmm... Oppo 983 may sound good. It has good specs for audio:
Oppo 983 vs. Rotel RCD-1072
- 24-bit, 192kHz - Burr Brown PCM 1732
8-channel high-resolution audio D/A converters
(N.B. probably not Burr Brown)
- Frequency: 20Hz - 20kHz (±1dB) - Frequency: 20Hz - 20kHz (±3dB)
- Signal-to-Noise Ratio: >100dB - Signal-to-Noise Ratio: >100dB
- Total Harmonic Distortion: < 0.01% - THD - 0.0045%
- Can play DVD Audio - cannot play DVD Audio
Mukhang sulit na dvd-cd combo player ito for those on a budget. Well, good specs do not necessarily translate to better sounds. Sana may magshare ng audio listening impression nila Oppo vs. dedicated cd player (e.g Rotel/Rega, etc.). :D
We didn't compare the 2. No time.
I understand that deinterlacing and scaling chip is the same, but the VP50Pro is much more than that. Also has fine detail enhancement, edge enhancement, mosquito noise reduction, Y/C delay, color space selection, gamma correction, input and output aspect ratio selection, etc. It acts as a hub for various video sources, with individual picture adjustments for each source. I have SD, BD, HD DVD and Popcorn plugged into it, with individual adjustments for each source.
I see. I would imagine that for the HD sources no video processing is done or meron pa rin?Meron. Fine detail enhancement. Negative edge enhancement. Mosquito Noise Reduction. Color space selection. Picture controls also vary between BD and HD DVD (contrast, brightness, color) - difference can be quite substantial.
sir Lithium! ganda!!!
Amazon shipped straight to you here in the Philippines? Please relay your shipping/logistics tactics for your NEW OPPO!!!
Thanks guys. The shootout conducted by our friends here influenced my decision to buy this item. It's a nice toy indeed. High quality feel to it including the manual and packaging. So far the only thing I don't like is the remote control layout and the unrefined-looking OSD, both minor gripes. Now I can play my Region 1 DVD's in near HD quality. Too early to say if PQ is better than PS3 upscaling. When its properly burned-in, I'll see if it can match my souped-up Rotel 1070 as a CD player.
Byron, USD411 sa Amazon including UPS ground shipping to Jersey City, then P3600+ sa JAC including tax.
Thanks guys. The shootout conducted by our friends here influenced my decision to buy this item. It's a nice toy indeed. High quality feel to it including the manual and packaging. So far the only thing I don't like is the remote control layout and the unrefined-looking OSD, both minor gripes. Now I can play my Region 1 DVD's in near HD quality. Too early to say if PQ is better than PS3 upscaling. When its properly burned-in, I'll see if it can match my souped-up Rotel 1070 as a CD player.
Byron, USD411 sa Amazon including UPS ground shipping to Jersey City, then P3600+ sa JAC including tax.
I hope you are happy with that decision. How's the Pio 508 btw? Tamang tama ang 983H dyan. ;)Sir Lithium,
last question pala. why is there an "OPPO" sign when you opened the box, pero wala na yung sign when you placed the player on your rack?hehehe oo nga bro .. bakit nawala? acetate lang ba sya with an oppo logo?
hehehe oo nga bro .. bakit nawala? acetate lang ba sya with an oppo logo?
Sabi ko nga nakakabilib ang packaging. I guess Oppo believes (and rightly so IMO) that quality packaging gives a sense of quality to the product. Yung manual din top notch quality ang papel na ginamit.
To woo the music lovers, Oppo has launched its new BDP-83 Blu-ray player. This advance player was recently displayed at CEDIA Expo. Considered as the latest player from Oppo, BDP-83 has all the advance features and functionalities to enable you to enjoy mind blowing music experience.
Coming soon!!! :o the complete ;)
According to the reports, Oppo is still “investigating” to launch products with DVD-Audio support. The new BDP-83 Blu-ray player is capable of playing SACD, DVD-Audio, DVD Discs and Blu-ray. Sporting the logo for Anchor Bay video processing, this player can handle DVDs of all kinds.
The new Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray player features an Ethernet Port with “BD-Live” meaning it supports Profile 2.0. Apart from this, BDP-83 supports standard Dolby Digital and DTS. As per the Gizmodo reports, this player is expected to also support DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD is future.
Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray Player is priced somewhere between $ 500 and $ 700.
http://www.cybertheater.com/oppo-bdp-83-blu-ray-player/
****Good thing about this is that this will trigger to lower the price of thier DVD players...:) :)
Hello guys,
Why would you buy an oppo 983 when for roughly the same price, a US version Ps3 can perform almost as well (in upscaling) and can play games, surf the net and play BLUray.
Just asking as I need a new upscaler dvd.... my asian ps3 is region locked and I've got a bunch of region 1 dvds.... heck, why not get a US ps3 (sell asian ps3 or not)? Datablitz sells them (I think).
Thanks for the help! and Is Oppo now locally available?
Ps3 region coding sucks. Will not play region 1s but will play pirated dvds from metrowalk :(
Thanks, man. Tho I'm not concerned with region coding as I only buy region 1 original dvds.
re: oppo as better upscaler, but doesn't the results from the shootout earlier in this thread say that they are pretty close.... that with the Ps3's noise reduction set to off? Also, does it have optical out? (hehe, luma na kasi receiver ko eh).
sorry, just thinking aloud. This thead is helping me a lot. The math just don't add up. Same price as a ps3: upscaler, bluray player, gaming machine. hmmmm.
Thanks for the info man. may I know how you acquired your oppo 983? shipped from US?
I have a region 3 dvd lying around and tested my ps3 vs my cheapo pioneer player.... very interesting results.
actually the difference is more obvious when the frame is paused. virtually no jaggies on the ps3 vs. the cheap pioneer 380 (which was also set to 480p). If the oppo is better, then I want one tho honestly, a US ps3 still makes more sense to me:)
I will look into the panasonic bd55. I'm not sure if I can invest on just a sd dvd anymore.... I've gotta future proof. thanks!
The main reason IMO is the emergence of upscaling DVD players like the Oppo 983 that can render DVD's at near Blu-ray quality or at least at a quality where our eyes can barely tell the difference.
Not really, there's still a big noticeable difference between upscaled DVD and BD.
The reason for the slow adoption of BD is price & HD downloads.
Not really, there's still a big noticeable difference between upscaled DVD and BD.
The reason for the slow adoption of BD is price & HD downloads.
It makes sense that the bigger your TV and the higher the resolution, BD's advantage over upscaled DVD becomes more apparent.
i tend to agree, having seen the machine work (983) and also some of the bd, hddvd and nmts out there, imho, hd is hd, not even the best upscaler can beat that. but if you have a lot of dvds in your collection and don't want to repurchase all those old movies in hd, a good upscaler is indeed a must investment, way better than a progressive scan dvd. ;D
Ehem, reserve those "regular" DVDs for me, doc :D :D :D :D :D
Ehem, reserve those "regular" DVDs for me, doc :D :D :D :D :D1st dibs ka agad bro? di pa naman naka-post :D
Video in single format is a thing of the past. Video collections in multiple formats is the trend that is here to stay.dito ko lang sa pdvd nakikita yan bro :D
Kapitbahay kasi si doc :Dot:
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taga planet kryton din? :D
daming doctor dito ah ;D
Not really, there's still a big noticeable difference between upscaled DVD and BD.
The reason for the slow adoption of BD is price & HD downloads.
i tend to agree, having seen the machine work (983) and also some of the bd, hddvd and nmts out there, imho, hd is hd, not even the best upscaler can beat that. but if you have a lot of dvds in your collection and don't want to repurchase all those old movies in hd, a good upscaler is indeed a must investment, way better than a progressive scan dvd. ;D
Kulay itim na AVR ang bagay diyan.
aside sa kulay, what brand,model po recommended nyo? i am planning to have my dedicated HT room early next year po eh. TIA!
Pede na din po pati speaker system recommended nyo.
Newbie lang po eh.
congrats! it doesnt matter what avr you choose, the oppo will be compatible. so you should try reading through the receivers thread para you can get a peak of all the receivers. yamaha, onkyo, denon, hk and etc. pero for me, lamang ng konti ang onkyo and denon because of audyssey, this system automatically measures your room and speaker set up so it will optimally tune it to your rooms specs. kaya its an invaluable system to have. as for speakers, choose an avr first then you can go hunting for speakers. good luck!
Thank you very much sir sa info!
Right now i am leaning in getting Onkyo as my AVR i think it will also be much better pairing with Mission speakers.
Sana lang Oppo BD player will be out by that time para un na kunin ko as player.
oppo 983 or pana BD55, hard choice to make :)
may I ask..does this player plays divx and avi files?
parang wala kasi ako nakitang ganitong feature..
thanks for the reply blue?
so sa abroad lang tlga meron nito?
thanks for the reply blue?
so sa abroad lang tlga meron nito?
This player is still 399usd? Man oppo is really a hard-on ;D..Tigas man ;D..BD players are already at 199 :D..Actually the prices of their other models are still the same. I guess thats how kick butt they are. :o :o People still buy at these premium prices. Premium price for awesome players I guess, and excellent buy for those with big dvd library and will not replace majority of their dvds to blu-ray.
This player is still 399usd? Man oppo is really a hard-on ;D..Tigas man ;D