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Home Theater => Audio => Speakers => Topic started by: deist on Nov 13, 2013 at 11:31 AM
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Is anyone using these drivers? I have a pair of Alpair 10P (paper cone) and currently burning them in using the box/packaging they came with & I must say they sound good. These are getting good reviews at diyaudio so decided to give it a go. Still looking for someone to fabricate the enclosures but I will update this thread and give my listening impressions later on. Burning in suggestions for these drivers are low volume levels for the first 100hrs & gradual increasing of volume from thereon.
Actual photos of my unit below:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2816/10830777264_14ba60765d_c.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7316/10830923813_595927bec9_c.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3828/10830927533_c80d90c4a0_c.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2806/10830604755_b2308786ea_c.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3779/11096101824_094eece8eb_c.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5494/11096071096_65b2dcc5e6_c.jpg)
Published numbers & graphs for the Alpair 10P gen 1:
T/S Anechoic: 2.2/30g spider final version: 10P Gen1
Revc= 6.200 Ohm
Fo= 42.398 Hz
Sd= 88.250 cm
Vas= 29.995 Ltr
Cms= 2.712m M/N
Mmd= 4.719 g
Mms= 5.196 g
BL= 4.741 TM
Qms= 2.425
Qes= 0.382
Qts= 0.330
Levc= 50.196u H
No= 0.579 %
SPLo= 89.645 dB
Xmax = 7mm (1 way) limited by Arrestor
Power = 30 watts Nom
(http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attachments/markaudio/349228d1368795560-alpair-10p-preview-alp10p-fr.jpg)
(http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attachments/markaudio/349229d1368795560-alpair-10p-preview-alp10p-imp1.jpg)
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It is my understanding that drivers shouldn't be driven in free air unless they are for it.
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^ they are inside the box, the packaging.
these drivers can also be used in open baffle ;)
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drivers are tested free air to get their free air resonance afaik....
does it come the Thiele and Small parameters?
there are box calculators on line that you can use...
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Sir Tony,
It didn't come with Thiele/Small parameters but enclosure plans/designs are downloadable for free @ markaudio website.
this is how some guys at diyaudio do the burning in:
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/mp9_/Mobile%20Uploads/0718120929.jpg)
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:D yes, i think it will be best to follow vendor recomendation wrt to box enclosure...
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Hi deist,
Mark Fenlon, founder of MarkAudio is a friend. He sent me a couple pairs of chr-70 in an in-house designed box and another couple of pairs as "backup" because he knew I was a "fiddling" kind of guy.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/MarkAudio/IMG_8772.jpg~original) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jojod818/media/MarkAudio/IMG_8772.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/MarkAudio/IMG_8773.jpg~original) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jojod818/media/MarkAudio/IMG_8773.jpg.html)
I remember putting it through it's paces powered by a t-amp, a gainclone, and a 2A3 SET amp and a digital source. Clarity is plentiful, with the mids being natural and non-obtrusive, the highs are pretty much extended and not ear-piercing. The bass is not for the basshead of course, but for such a small speaker, it is there, though it may not be for everyone. Mark told me to experiment with the box to somewhat extend the lows, unfortunately I haven't gone into that yet.
The ones in the baffle box was passed on to an Aussie friend while the "backup" pairs are still with me in their original boxes waiting for a baffle experiment.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/MarkAudio/IMG_8781.jpg~original) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jojod818/media/MarkAudio/IMG_8781.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/MarkAudio/IMG_8782.jpg~original) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jojod818/media/MarkAudio/IMG_8782.jpg.html)
:)
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Hi jojoD818, I like to be your friend.
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Hi Gino, we are all friends buddy. ;D
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Good to know.
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:o ;D
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I'd like to have one of those someday. I just need to look for a good box maker...maybe Master Jojo can do one for me since he is in to woodworking these days. Basta wag lang foam ang laman ha. :)
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Hi deist,
Mark Fenlon, founder of MarkAudio is a friend. He sent me a couple pairs of chr-70 in an in-house designed box and another couple of pairs as "backup" because he knew I was a "fiddling" kind of guy.
I remember putting it through it's paces powered by a t-amp, a gainclone, and a 2A3 SET amp and a digital source. Clarity is plentiful, with the mids being natural and non-obtrusive, the highs are pretty much extended and not ear-piercing. The bass is not for the basshead of course, but for such a small speaker, it is there, though it may not be for everyone. Mark told me to experiment with the box to somewhat extend the lows, unfortunately I haven't gone into that yet.
The ones in the baffle box was passed on to an Aussie friend while the "backup" pairs are still with me in their original boxes waiting for a baffle experiment.
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Sir jojo,
Thanks for sharing your experience with these drivers. Friend mo pala si Mark Fenlon, he seems like a nice guy. Gawan mo na ng enclosure yung chr70 mo sir esp now na gumagaling ka na sa woodworking ;)
Hi jojoD818, I like to be your friend.
+1 or better yet can i be your bestfriend?
I have to say, even without a proper enclosure right now these sound better than my Dentons in terms of details & midrange. Same source, same everything & just flipping through the speakers a/b button on my amp. but it's still too early for a conclusion, just an initial impression ;)
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I'd like to have one of those someday. I just need to look for a good box maker...maybe Master Jojo can do one for me since he is in to woodworking these days. Basta wag lang foam ang laman ha. :)
Matagal pa naman siguro yan brader, but if not, andiyan naman si brader timber mas sigurado pa hahaha... pero I promise, acoustic wool at hindi foam. Using high density foam is a definite no-no. :)
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Sir jojo,
Thanks for sharing your experience with these drivers. Friend mo pala si Mark Fenlon, he seems like a nice guy. Gawan mo na ng enclosure yung chr70 mo sir esp now na gumagaling ka na sa woodworking ;)
My pleasure sir. Ingat ka lang sir when using tubes, napakalambing. ;D Yes he is a nice guy, we often video chat in skype exchanging speaker ideas. He really knows his stuff and sees quality control himself. Naku I'm miles away pa sa wood working pero I hope to get there someday. Andiyan naman lagi si bader timber hehehe... :)
+1 or better yet can i be your bestfriend?
hahaha we all should be best of friends... ;)
I have to say, even without a proper enclosure right now these sound better than my Dentons in terms of details & midrange. Same source, same everything & just flipping through the speakers a/b button on my amp. but it's still too early for a conclusion, just an initial impression ;)
If I may add, I thought Mark was joking about those cartons/packaging but you can indeed use them for a sort of free air support. Literally redefining the meaning of the saying "out of the box". ;D
Please do keep us posted on your chosen enclosure sir. :)
Cheers
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JojoD818 - Matagal pa naman siguro yan brader, but if not, andiyan naman si brader timber mas sigurado pa hahaha... pero I promise, acoustic wool at hindi foam. Using high density foam is a definite no-no.
That's what I'm talking about..someone who really knows what to do.
Given it's age, I don't see foam on my JBL L36 '79 era vintage speakers, heck even my dad's Sansui monsters uses acoustic wool and not foam. ^-^
sir deist, hope we can hear this once ready. Keep us posted. ;)
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Matagal pa naman siguro yan brader, but if not, andiyan naman si brader timber mas sigurado pa hahaha... pero I promise, acoustic wool at hindi foam. Using high density foam is a definite no-no. :)
can carpet be used instead of foam?
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^ alam ko ang carpet sound absorber...baka walang lumabas na tunog. I have a friend who peppered his A/V room with carpet (wall to wall pa yata)..speakers are already shouting yet you cannot hear it's potential.
Egg tray kaya? ^-^
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^ alam ko ang carpet sound absorber...baka walang lumabas na tunog. I have a friend who peppered his A/V room with carpet (wall to wall pa yata)..speakers are already shouting yet you cannot hear it's potential.
Egg tray kaya? ^-^
natandaan ko dati sir froots yung speaker ng tatay ko pinasok ko sa aparador na binalot ko ng egg tray, parang sya yung naging enclosure, ewan ko lang kung nakabuti yun, pwede na din kase libre lang hehehe.
kung libre ang carpet at egg tray pwede na sa akin pero kung may bayad at sobrang mahal pa, no no talaga.
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Please do keep us posted on your chosen enclosure sir. :)
Cheers
Will do sir. I'll go with Pensil by Scott Lindgren. simple to build para hindi mahirapan fabricator hehe
That's what I'm talking about..someone who really knows what to do.
Given it's age, I don't see foam on my JBL L36 '79 era vintage speakers, heck even my dad's Sansui monsters uses acoustic wool and not foam. ^-^
sir deist, hope we can hear this once ready. Keep us posted. ;)
Sure sir, kaso taga-Laguna ako ;D
I will update this thread sa development ng project.
btw, the box designers over at diyaudio suggest cotton or wool felt (see sample pic below) to put behind the drivers then some polyfill fibers for damping spread throughout the inside of the enclosure & foam is a no-no talaga.
(http://www.zajcsillapitas.net/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/o/soft01.jpg)
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^ yan ang tamang filler. Exact material I see in our vintage speakers. TFS sir.
sir onkyo, kahit na libre pa yang carpet at egg tray, hindi pa rin ako gagamit nyan kasi hindi dapat. Pag gumamit ka nyan niloloko mo lang sarili mo. ;D
sir deist, saan ka sir sa Laguna? Okay lang basta sulit ang biyahe, good music + The Original Buco Pie = Happiness. ;)
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^ yan ang tamang filler. Exact material I see in our vintage speakers. TFS sir.
sir onkyo, kahit na libre pa yang carpet at egg tray, hindi pa rin ako gagamit nyan kasi hindi dapat. Pag gumamit ka nyan niloloko mo lang sarili mo. ;D
sir deist, saan ka sir sa Laguna? Okay lang basta sulit ang biyahe, good music + The Original Buco Pie = Happiness. ;)
buti na lang pala di ko ito naipayo sa isang kabarkada na nag titipid din, kung nagkataon nanloko pa ako ng isang kaibigan,
salamat sir froots sa pag lilinaw.
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Naku..don't thank me sir Onkyo, dito ko lang din natutunan yan. Pasalamat tayo sa mga honest members dito na willing to help and give the facts at hindi false or bloated informations.
Congrats again sir deist and keep us in the loop. O0
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Will do sir. I'll go with Pensil by Scott Lindgren. simple to build para hindi mahirapan fabricator hehe
Cool. The Pensil is one of my favorites, very simple to build and it works.
Sure sir, kaso taga-Laguna ako ;D
I will update this thread sa development ng project.
btw, the box designers over at diyaudio suggest cotton or wool felt (see sample pic below) to put behind the drivers then some polyfill fibers for damping spread throughout the inside of the enclosure & foam is a no-no talaga.
Yep that's the one, or the white poly fiber fill.
Once upon a time, I was also into building speaker enclosures. As DIYers, I knew that the benefits of using poly fiber fill comes three fold. One is to eliminate standing waves, second is to dampen any acoustic bounce caused by parallel walls of the enclosure and third, to increase box volume. The third one however is some sort of a remedy, this means you did not do your homework, hence you need more fiber fill.
Eliminating standing waves and dampening is our main goal in using acoustic foam, hindi yan porma lang. :D
But the cool thing is you can always experiment, that's our unseen compensation as DIYers. ;)
As a tip, do not make the mistake of using glue or staple to install acoustic foam, just spread and line the whole thing inside of the box and just let it loosely fit in there. Fixing the darn thing negates the purpose of dampening. ;D
Good luck sir and may I be the first to welcome you...
(http://p10hifi.net/FAL/images/FullRanger-shield-FR125.gif)
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Cool. The Pensil is one of my favorites, very simple to build and it works.
Yep that's the one, or the white poly fiber fill.
Once upon a time, I was also into building speaker enclosures. As DIYers, I knew that the benefits of using poly fiber fill comes three fold. One is to eliminate standing waves, second is to dampen any acoustic bounce caused by parallel walls of the enclosure and third, to increase box volume. The third one however is some sort of a remedy, this means you did not do your homework, hence you need more fiber fill.
Eliminating standing waves and dampening is our main goal in using acoustic foam, hindi yan porma lang. :D
But the cool thing is you can always experiment, that's our unseen compensation as DIYers. ;)
As a tip, do not make the mistake of using glue or staple to install acoustic foam, just spread and line the whole thing inside of the box and just let it loosely fit in there. Fixing the darn thing negates the purpose of dampening. ;D
Good luck sir and may I be the first to welcome you...
(http://p10hifi.net/FAL/images/FullRanger-shield-FR125.gif)
thanks sir. i'm hoping this is the start of many DIYs to come ^-^
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Naku..don't thank me sir Onkyo, dito ko lang din natutunan yan. Pasalamat tayo sa mga honest members dito na willing to help and give the facts at hindi false or bloated informations.
Congrats again sir deist and keep us in the loop. O0
thanks sir! hoping i can post updates soon.
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Hey Jo, how much did it cost to bring those drivers of yours to our motherland?
How about the crossover, does MarkAudio sell a kit or DIY din?
Parang gusto ko rin gumawa for our dual DC powered T-amp.
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Hey Jo, how much did it cost to bring those drivers of yours to our motherland?
How about the crossover, does MarkAudio sell a kit or DIY din?
Parang gusto ko rin gumawa for our dual DC powered T-amp.
Mark paid for everything. I only had to pay the crocs at Pasay customs because the box got help up over at EMS.
Go go go, with a properly designed/sized boxes, full rangers are very listenable. That's why there are lots of followers of Fostex, Altec, Alinco, CSS, etc.
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This calculator has been very accurate for me. I normally just plug in 10% in the Tariff rate field. Note that even shipping/insurance cost will be taxed.
What I like about this is predictability. I know exactly how much to save. Feeding the crocs is hit or miss. I also avoid express shipping which tend to land at Pasay EMS. Pasay EMS has Lolongs to feed.
http://triviasofsubstance.blogspot.com/2010/08/philippines-customs-tax-calculator.html
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To those looking for MarkAudio drivers, I got mine from a retailer in SG so if you have friends, relatives or if you're planning to go on a trip you can get a pair. the boxes can easily fit in a regular sized luggage ;)
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This calculator has been very accurate for me. I normally just plug in 10% in the Tariff rate field. Note that even shipping/insurance cost will be taxed.
What I like about this is predictability. I know exactly how much to save. Feeding the crocs is hit or miss. I also avoid express shipping which tend to land at Pasay EMS. Pasay EMS has Lolongs to feed.
http://triviasofsubstance.blogspot.com/2010/08/philippines-customs-tax-calculator.html
+1000, so many Lolongs there at EMS Pasay. ;D
To those looking for MarkAudio drivers, I got mine from a retailer in SG so if you have friends, relatives or if you're planning to go on a trip you can get a pair. the boxes can easily fit in a regular sized luggage ;)
Paging JoeyGS.... 8)
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Singapore. Perfect again he he. Sis usually brings an empty suitcase for shopping here. It won't be empty when the time comes.
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Heard ya ........ O0
Paging JoeyGS.... 8)
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The price for a driver CHR-70 Brushed Aluminum Gen 3 is only $36 say Php1,620 per peice based on Madisound price in the US ..... of course excluding shipping, taxes and duties.
http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-4-fullrange/markaudio-chr-70-brushed-metal-cone-4-full-range/ (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-4-fullrange/markaudio-chr-70-brushed-metal-cone-4-full-range/)
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sir deist, saan ka sir sa Laguna? Okay lang basta sulit ang biyahe, good music + The Original Buco Pie = Happiness. ;)
Sir, sa sta.rosa ako near NuVali.
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The price for a driver CHR-70 Brushed Aluminum Gen 3 is only $36 say Php1,620 per peice based on Madisound price in the US ..... of course excluding shipping, taxes and duties.
http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-4-fullrange/markaudio-chr-70-brushed-metal-cone-4-full-range/ (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-4-fullrange/markaudio-chr-70-brushed-metal-cone-4-full-range/)
that's 80sgd from the retailer in SG ;)
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Am near Paseo de Sta. Rosa at may malapit na bilihan ng Original Buko pie diyan sa taas papuntang Tagaytay
Sir, sa sta.rosa ako near NuVali.
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Hmmmm..... double the price?..... let's see.
If coming from the US - $36 x 4 pcs = $144 plus $75 balikbayan box (45 days delivery) = $ 219 say Php 9,855, Therefore, Php2,465 per piece, roughly
From singapore, S$80 = Php2,800 per piece
Not far ..... Sourcing from Singapore would be ok
that's 80sgd from the retailer in SG ;)
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Hmmmm..... double the price?..... let's see.
If coming from the US - $36 x 4 pcs = $144 plus $75 balikbayan box (45 days delivery) = $ 219 say Php 9,855, Therefore, Php2,465 per piece, roughly
From singapore, S$80 = Php2,800 per piece
Not far ..... Sourcing from Singapore would be ok
oops, forgot to mention that 80sgd is for a pair of chr 70 ;)
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Joey,
Pair na! go go go na sir... ;D
Magkapitbahay lang pala kayo ni sir deist oh ;)
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Hmmmm..... double the price?..... let's see.
If coming from the US - $36 x 4 pcs = $144 plus $75 balikbayan box (45 days delivery) = $ 219 say Php 9,855, Therefore, Php2,465 per piece, roughly
From singapore, S$80 = Php2,800 per piece
Not far ..... Sourcing from Singapore would be ok
very reasonable naman pala ang cost ng speaker....:D even if coming from Singapore....
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Matagal pa naman siguro yan brader, but if not, andiyan naman si brader timber mas sigurado pa hahaha... pero I promise, acoustic wool at hindi foam. Using high density foam is a definite no-no. :)
May mga taong mahilig sa itlog, either paper egg tray or foam egg tray. Bast may egg kaya puro itlog kinalalAbasan.
Its because he is just copying from an original design, para maiba at hindi makasuhan eh ibinababa nya quality ng materials pero ang masakit ayaw umamin, may sumasali kasi.
Another good example is instead of using polyester board eh carpet ang ipinalit for the same price pa ha, mas maganda daw carpet kaysa fBric. Heck yes kung flooring pinaguusApAn.
Jojo might need a few blankets of that wool for a built in system. Mahirap mag tipid kawawa ang client. Just like sa fiberglass vs cellulose fiber.
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anybody tried rockwool? similar to fiberglass wool only more dense...
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Jojo,
What's up? Wanna try full range?
Regards,
Jojo
(ang weird talaga pag Jojo din kausap ;D ;D ;D)
May mga taong mahilig sa itlog, either paper egg tray or foam egg tray. Bast may egg kaya puro itlog kinalalAbasan.
Its because he is just copying from an original design, para maiba at hindi makasuhan eh ibinababa nya quality ng materials pero ang masakit ayaw umamin, may sumasali kasi.
Another good example is instead of using polyester board eh carpet ang ipinalit for the same price pa ha, mas maganda daw carpet kaysa fBric. Heck yes kung flooring pinaguusApAn.
Jojo might need a few blankets of that wool for a built in system. Mahirap mag tipid kawawa ang client. Just like sa fiberglass vs cellulose fiber.
There's no substitute for breast milk. ;D
There's a reason for the use of specific materials, using other than the specified materials will also work but will just be useless. Sayang lang kung balewala din.
anybody tried rockwool? similar to fiberglass wool only more dense...
there's a specific coefficient of absorption that we want, rockwool should work but not optimal because of it's density. a dense damping material will take precious box volume, that's why a loose fiber or cotton wool is much preferred because it will dampen the box but it will not take much volume due to it's density.
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It would work but useless, priceless pare.
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It would work but useless, priceless pare.
Kahit naman orthopedic foam pa ikabit natin tutunog naman kaso nga lang useless talaga...
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Tama! Pseudo effect kaya tinalo sf at proac. Brandless Daichi for the win
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This is even better! Sige, will be waiting for the quote from Singapore.
oops, forgot to mention that 80sgd is for a pair of chr 70 ;)
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This is even better! Sige, will be waiting for the quote from Singapore.
Sir Joey, I got mine from Neo. below is the link to his contact info:
http://markaudio-singapore.com/Dealers
easy to deal with, he even hand delivered the drivers to our house in SG. HTH
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Thanks deist. Let's see if it will be practical to ship the drivers.
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Singapore. Perfect again he he. Sis usually brings an empty suitcase for shopping here. It won't be empty when the time comes.
haha just like last time ;)
Am near Paseo de Sta. Rosa at may malapit na bilihan ng Original Buko pie diyan sa taas papuntang Tagaytay
Sir Joey, magkalapit lang pala tayo, pa-audition ng system mo when you're free....eto ba yung buko pie store sa gas station?
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No problem. We normally can have the audition after office hours or weekend nights.
On the buko pie, yes that's the location.
Sir Joey, magkalapit lang pala tayo, pa-audition ng system mo when you're free....eto ba yung buko pie store sa gas station?
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Neo gave a quote of : $120 (4 drivers) + $65 shipping = $185 ex-duties/taxes
Can anyone calculate, compute or obtain the most probable charges when it reaches Philippine shores?
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Neo gave a quote of : $120 (4 drivers) + $65 shipping = $185 ex-duties/taxes
Can anyone calculate, compute or obtain the most probable charges when it reaches Philippine shores?
Lagay... Another 100%. Haaaaay.
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P2506 final customs duties at ₱44: $1.
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If this package ever ends up in Pasay EMS then be ready because their computation skills is beyond my understanding.
If you're lucky, it could end up in Makati Post Office if you send it to your office address.
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Neo sent me a quote from FedEX for the duties/taxes at US$135.
So, total = US$185 (drivers & Shipping) + US$135 (duties and taxes) = US$320
Your comments please.......
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naku Fedex pala, dalang dala na ako sa fedex...
kung me kakilala ka sa Singapore, pa handcarry na lang...
pm nyo si Edwin, taga singapore yon,
pwede pa balikbayan sa Lucky Plaza, mas mura,
medyo matagal nga lang dahil by sea...4weeks...
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Neo sent me a quote from FedEX for the duties/taxes at US$135.
So, total = US$185 (drivers & Shipping) + US$135 (duties and taxes) = US$320
Your comments please.......
halos doble pala aabutin, if you can explore the idea of looking for someone to hand carry mas better sana.
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No problem. We normally can have the audition after office hours or weekend nights.
On the buko pie, yes that's the location.
Sir Joey, i will pm you so we can set audition. thanks! :D
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Neo sent me a quote from FedEX for the duties/taxes at US$135.
So, total = US$185 (drivers & Shipping) + US$135 (duties and taxes) = US$320
Your comments please.......
Fedex, like any other brand name couriers have maximum customs duties applied. Can they use other means sending those?
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The customs tax above is double of what i computed. My last shipment's final taxes via DHL from UK was spot on based on the online customs calculator I used. Don't prepay duties. pay them here.
Anyway it is what it is. When i bought my supertweeters i threw the word bargain and reasonable out the window. I never looked back.
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haaay.... will be in SG next week... try ko nga mag diy...
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haaay.... will be in SG next week... try ko nga mag diy...
brader are you getting the chr70 yourself?
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brader are you getting the chr70 yourself?
yes brader... the question is makakalusot kaya sa airport yun?
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yes brader... the question is makakalusot kaya sa airport yun?
oo naman, personal stuff yan eh. sana pala sa iyo na sumabay si tukayo mo joeygs.
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yes brader... the question is makakalusot kaya sa airport yun?
lusot yan sir, maliit lang ang chr-70 pwede nga kumasya sa medium sized backpack ;)
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lusot yan sir, maliit lang ang chr-70 pwede nga kumasya sa medium sized backpack ;)
thats relieving... thanks deist... will go to kims place to see kung ano pa ibang drivers niya...
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^ si Neo ba yung Kim sir? kumpleto yata sya ng lineup, ang pangarap drivers ko sa MA is yung Alpair 10 MAOP kaya lang $500 :o
sir, you might want to check out the Alpair 7.3, maraming nagsasabi maganda overall sq compared to chr-70.
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Sana puwede makisabay kung may pupunta sa Singapore ......
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I think as long as its in your personal baggage, that's would not be a problem cause it would be seen as personal effects. The last time I was there, I bought several iFi Audio gears (about 4 cigarette packs size) and a headphone in its box, and no questions was asked. Even got a tax rebate at the airport in singapore.
yes brader... the question is makakalusot kaya sa airport yun?
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I think as long as its in your personal baggage, that's would not be a problem cause it would be seen as personal effects. The last time I was there, I bought several iFi Audio gears (about 4 cigarette packs size) and a headphone in its box, and no questions was asked. Even got a tax rebate at the airport in singapore.
Correct, don't forget to drop by the kiosk at the airport for your GST refund ;)
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noted mga sir... will see if i can bring more...
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yes brader... the question is makakalusot kaya sa airport yun?
basta hindi mako construed as commercial quantity, lusot yan, kung isang pares lang no problem sa customs...
i have been a balikbayan OFW for years and never did i have any episode with costums.....
maganda kung ang kasabay mong flight ay yung mga galing middle east, hazzle free pag ganoon...
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Thanks, tukayo.
noted mga sir... will see if i can bring more...
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^ si Neo ba yung Kim sir? kumpleto yata sya ng lineup, ang pangarap drivers ko sa MA is yung Alpair 10 MAOP kaya lang $500 :o
sir, you might want to check out the Alpair 7.3, maraming nagsasabi maganda overall sq compared to chr-70.
Mark was sending the Alpairs too but he said I better stick with the chr70 so I did. The key difference being the extensions of the highs but it was going nowhere useful to humans ears anyway so we decided to stick with the chr70 for the exercise.
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Ang theory sa ultra high frequency is you may not hear it but the brain perceives it. It aids you yo locate the sound source. It suggests that it enhances your imaging.
I can relate to the theory because when I added supertweeters my experience was about presence and immediacy rather than the obvious metallic enhancements.
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Mark was sending the Alpairs too but he said I better stick with the chr70 so I did. The key difference being the extensions of the highs but it was going nowhere useful to humans ears anyway so we decided to stick with the chr70 for the exercise.
Sir Jojo, i was basing it from the feedback of MA users online. Some even say that the 7.3 is a real "audiophile" driver, for it's small size though it would require help from a sub. It's also one of the most recommended 4" driver (in diyaudio) enclosed in these boxes:
(http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/colin/CHERRYFH3.JPG)
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Sir Jojo, i was basing it from the feedback of MA users online. Some even say that the 7.3 is a real "audiophile" driver, for it's small size though it would require help from a sub. It's also one of the most recommended 4" driver (in diyaudio) enclosed in these boxes:
(http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/colin/CHERRYFH3.JPG)
can you share the plan of this enclosure? i wanted to build one by my self... thanks
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^ygpm
Pls take note that these enclosures would require some real estate, the base is 17" (for alpair 7 & chr-70) & are highly suggested to be placed a foot to 18" from the wall ;)
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Those are very elegant speakers. Ganda ng wood used, veneer or solid.
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^ ganda no? most likely real wood veneer on plywood, kita yung ply sa base...
yan din ang first choice ko sana for enclosure kaso it won't work sa paglalagyan ko, it will eat up a big chunk of the 20 sqm room. plus it is back firing.
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^ygpm
Pls take note that these enclosures would require some real estate, the base is 17" (for alpair 7 & chr-70) & are highly suggested to be placed a foot to 18" from the wall ;)
got it thanks much...
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Ang theory sa ultra high frequency is you may not hear it but the brain perceives it. It aids you yo locate the sound source. It suggests that it enhances your imaging.
I can relate to the theory because when I added supertweeters my experience was about presence and immediacy rather than the obvious metallic enhancements.
That was actually the point of the whole study that we conducted. I'm not privy to post any numbers but the idea of doing the experiments was to evaluate the viability of the driver designs to extend well beyond ultrasonics since the application is intended more into full range drivers (may require subsonic reinforcement from a sub) and so the requirements for the driver design to go beyond human hearing was fundamental and finding if any driver re-design was needed.
I was so happy with the results because when it was all over, I told him that my actual application was to apply the chr70 as a super tweeter rather than a full range driver. MA's line of drivers are truly bang for the buck series for FR users.
Sir Jojo, i was basing it from the feedback of MA users online. Some even say that the 7.3 is a real "audiophile" driver, for it's small size though it would require help from a sub. It's also one of the most recommended 4" driver (in diyaudio) enclosed in these boxes:
Variety is always welcome and encouraged sir deist, especially on an economical point of view.
That is one helluva beauty!
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jojo, interesting, but did you actually made a frequency scan of the program material and confirmed that it contained ultrasonics? :D if so what was the amplitude in relation with the audible program material....
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jojo, interesting, but did you actually made a frequency scan of the program material and confirmed that it contained ultrasonics? :D if so what was the amplitude in relation with the audible program material....
tony, of course it wasn't measured with music (don't know anyone who does that :D), a function generator and an rta were used...
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tony, of course it wasn't measured with music (don't know anyone who does that :D), a function generator and an rta were used...
mind sharing some data?
rta's can measure frequency and amplitude contents of music right?
i am interested to know if there are music that actually contains
ultrasonics or even infrasonics....
or could the recording process clipped those?
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Not only material but the media itself can limit the bandwidth. CDs and presumably their ripped counterparts have considerably less super highs than vinyl. Using supertweeters that go well beyond the source's content is a safer bet than a set that starts to roll off near that cliff. A headroom for super highs so to speak.
The same palpable experience can be said for subsonics. We can only hear so much lows. But we can literally feel its effects on our chests. There are lows that perhaps our brains perceive but our ears cannot. It adds to immediacy as well. A stronger presence. A sense of something being there.
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Re: Alpair 7
Hi Endrik,
Guys, this was the email sent to me by Tony(Musik007) of DIY audio. Hope this will help you in purchasing your MA drivers :)
The Alpair 6M I will give to you at a special price of 68 USD a pair
I have new ready made cabinets for Alpair 6M. The cabinets were produced under the plan of dMar-Ken6.2 which is designed by Dave of Planet-10, Canada. The price of the A6M cabinet in Finnsh birch plywood is USD190/pair+shipping cost.
My contact number is 852-9746 2915. My workshop is in Tuen Mun, N.T.
Thanks,
Tony
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mind sharing some data?
rta's can measure frequency and amplitude contents of music right?
i am interested to know if there are music that actually contains
ultrasonics or even infrasonics....
or could the recording process clipped those?
I wish I could. :(
Yup they do, you can have frequency vs amplitude plotted across the test bandwidth.
Actually the term used in loosing the ends of the spectrum is not clipping but rather compression. The recording industry has been plagued by this problem even with vinyls and magnetic tapes, CDs on the other hand were considered breakthroughs in terms of bandwidth.
FYI, yes there are music program materials that contains Us and Is, if you're really that interested, please checkout CDs from Telarc.
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Re: Alpair 7
Hi Endrik,
Guys, this was the email sent to me by Tony(Musik007) of DIY audio. Hope this will help you in purchasing your MA drivers :)
The Alpair 6M I will give to you at a special price of 68 USD a pair
I have new ready made cabinets for Alpair 6M. The cabinets were produced under the plan of dMar-Ken6.2 which is designed by Dave of Planet-10, Canada. The price of the A6M cabinet in Finnsh birch plywood is USD190/pair+shipping cost.
My contact number is 852-9746 2915. My workshop is in Tuen Mun, N.T.
Thanks,
Tony
Yep, Tony of Twin Audio in Hong Kong is also a very good option to source MA drivers. Sourcing it from SG was more economical choice for me.
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while waiting for the enclosures to be finished, picture picture muna!
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3779/11096101824_094eece8eb_c.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5494/11096071096_65b2dcc5e6_c.jpg)
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sir ang ganda ng model mo... ;D
saan ka nagpagawa ng enclosure mo?
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while waiting for the enclosures to be finished, picture picture muna!
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3779/11096101824_094eece8eb_c.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5494/11096071096_65b2dcc5e6_c.jpg)
ang ganda! Kinuha ko na sana 6m nung nasa hk ako. Kaso worry ako sa bass output:)
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sir ang ganda ng model mo... ;D
saan ka nagpagawa ng enclosure mo?
thanks sir! dahil nahirapan ako humanap ng malapit sa south na gagawa ng enclosure, pinagawa ko na lang sa karpintero na gumawa ng mga cabinets sa bahay namin. kapag hindi ko nagustuhan ang output nya charge it to experience ;D
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ang ganda! Kinuha ko na sana 6m nung nasa hk ako. Kaso worry ako sa bass output:)
Alpair 6s & 7s based sa feedbacks kailangan talaga tulong ng subs, CHR-70 can go lower than the 2 mentioned.
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thanks sir! dahil nahirapan ako humanap ng malapit sa south na gagawa ng enclosure, pinagawa ko na lang sa karpintero na gumawa ng mga cabinets sa bahay namin. kapag hindi ko nagustuhan ang output nya charge it to experience ;D
basta sunod naman sa plano ok kakalabasan niyan sir... well, unless pat yun finish ipapagaya mo yun ang mahirap talaga... ang totoo niyan I'm so excited for you hehehe...
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When it gets done, can we have a listen? Am just around.......
We can also bring it in my place and test with subs and see what happens 8)
thanks sir! dahil nahirapan ako humanap ng malapit sa south na gagawa ng enclosure, pinagawa ko na lang sa karpintero na gumawa ng mga cabinets sa bahay namin. kapag hindi ko nagustuhan ang output nya charge it to experience ;D
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Wow ganda naman nyan sir deist...
Well this is it...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/892F3FB5-ED37-4D24-8B26-A554DD8E8EA7_zpszd6nszhz.jpg)
And this is what i want...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/141F4EC2-A519-4260-AE1B-0E3E314AD3E6_zpssvzw03zc.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/141F4EC2-A519-4260-AE1B-0E3E314AD3E6_zpssvzw03zc.jpg.html)
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Sana puwede makisabay kung may pupunta sa Singapore ......
Thanks, tukayo.
Bought 4 pairs tukayo... If you guys want other model pls let me know. Im going home tomorrow.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/30b54890-79f4-4a9a-a545-1b94ceaa6265_zps6e4534a9.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/30b54890-79f4-4a9a-a545-1b94ceaa6265_zps6e4534a9.jpg.html)
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Joey, i want one... Free ba yan? :P christmas gift perhaps? :P
Pa pm ng price brader....
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Reserve 1 set please. Thanks.
Pa-pm na lang price. Thanks.
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Reserve 1 set please. Thanks.
Pa-pm na lang price. Thanks.
Hehehe....
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Time to study the baffles......
Hehehe....
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Another speaker cabinet buiild from Timber...this will br interesting.
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Bought 4 pairs tukayo... If you guys want other model pls let me know. Im going home tomorrow.
Thanks for spreading the chance bro. ;)
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When it gets done, can we have a listen? Am just around.......
We can also bring it in my place and test with subs and see what happens 8)
sure sir Joey. once matapos & matono I will let you know meanwhile I will send you PM so I can audition your system. TIA.
Wow ganda naman nyan sir deist...
Well this is it...
And this is what i want...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/141F4EC2-A519-4260-AE1B-0E3E314AD3E6_zpsl7t3xuqk.jpg)[/URL]
Office ni Neo yan? ayos, haven't got the chance to meet him pa. next time pagbalik ko SG.
Thanks for spreading the chance bro. ;)
+1. thanks sir Joey, dadami na MA users dito O0
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sure sir Joey. once matapos & matono I will let you know meanwhile I will send you PM so I can audition your system. TIA.
Office ni Neo yan? ayos, haven't got the chance to meet him pa. next time pagbalik ko SG.
+1. thanks sir Joey, dadami na MA users dito O0
it was one of the shop in bilboard mall in front of sim lim tower. and that is a JBL PARAGON (D4400)
neo is just bout 35 years old. when i saw him i thought hes just the son of neo. hehehe... were the same age... ahem...
in a mean while ... im enjoying listening... diy box for MA...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/EF788460-F3F2-49ED-A6D5-31B91D9B6DB1_zps78vfx9ex.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/EF788460-F3F2-49ED-A6D5-31B91D9B6DB1_zps78vfx9ex.jpg.html)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps611ab237.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps611ab237.jpg.html)
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I like your resourcefulness brader.... Ikaw na!
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Sir Jojo, i was basing it from the feedback of MA users online. Some even say that the 7.3 is a real "audiophile" driver, for it's small size though it would require help from a sub. It's also one of the most recommended 4" driver (in diyaudio) enclosed in these boxes:
(http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/colin/CHERRYFH3.JPG)
@timber
hehehe... literal na box yan...
eto ang box na gagawin ko. and the other one is the fonken design... i already have the birch fly...
hope i have time tom to start the build...
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galing! yan ang box... as in cardboard box... ;D
sabi ko sa inyo may gamit yun box na lalagyan eh... ;)
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galing! yan ang box... as in cardboard box... ;D
sabi ko sa inyo may gamit yun box na lalagyan eh... ;)
hehehe... indeed brader...
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Nice work on the boxes tukayo. I think you need 100 hours of break-in ..... so easy on the volume.
Will you be implementing a 2.1 system or just 2.0?
it was one of the shop in bilboard mall in front of sim lim tower. and that is a JBL PARAGON (D4400)
neo is just bout 35 years old. when i saw him i thought hes just the son of neo. hehehe... were the same age... ahem...
in a mean while ... im enjoying listening... diy box for MA...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps611ab237.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps611ab237.jpg.html)
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Nice work on the boxes tukayo. I think you need 100 hours of break-in ..... so easy on the volume.
Will you be implementing a 2.1 system or just 2.0?
thanks tukayo. just 2.0. for me the bass is enough considering na wala talaga siya sa decent box. galing sa mid...
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How's the highs?
thanks tukayo. just 2.0. for me the bass is enough considering na wala talaga siya sa decent box. galing sa mid...
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How's the highs?
descent high naman. im considering to add super tweeter... see what it sound like... testing testing ng ibang driver...
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Supertweeters when tuned right add presence more than it adds your typically expected shimmer.
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playing with MA drivers brings back memories of my very first speaker (actually it was handed down to me), a starvox fullrange driver that served me well during the 80's...
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Thanks for the pair. Nice meeting you.
descent high naman. im considering to add super tweeter... see what it sound like... testing testing ng ibang driver...
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Thanks for the pair. Nice meeting you.
my pleasure sir... hope you like it the way i like it. will wait for your comment on this...
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Joey, ganda nga sq nitong mga bulilit na to...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/7621FD27-0381-47BB-A131-CEF5FA4178F3_zpsczlqfaiy.jpg)
Found them harsh for the first 10 minutes, gradually improved to very nice sounding speakers. Bukas will port them and hopefully get some more low frequencies.
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That was fast, Sonny. Ang galing!
Remember that needs 100hours for full breakin amd reach its full potential, so easy lang sa volume
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That was fast, Sonny. Ang galing!
Remember that needs 100hours for full breakin amd reach its full potential, so easy lang sa volume
Not hitting them hard naman, low level volume lang. Really amazing speakers, if only its got enough spl to fill bigger rooms. Pero these things has its way of disappearing...
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Saang store sa Singapore meron MarkAudio?
Thanks :)
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You can contact Neo from the following link ...... http://markaudio-singapore.com/Dealers (http://markaudio-singapore.com/Dealers)
and quoting joey's previous post - "it was one of the shop in bilboard mall in front of sim lim tower. and that is a JBL PARAGON (D4400)"
Saang store sa Singapore meron MarkAudio?
Thanks :)
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You can contact Neo from the following link ...... http://markaudio-singapore.com/Dealers (http://markaudio-singapore.com/Dealers)
and quoting joey's previous post - "it was one of the shop in bilboard mall in front of sim lim tower. and that is a JBL PARAGON (D4400)"
Thanks well appreciated
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Saang store sa Singapore meron MarkAudio?
Thanks :)
psssssst! sama ako sa binabalak mo ha!!! ;D ;D ;D
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hindi mo na kelangan magsalita ;D
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hindi mo na kelangan magsalita ;D
ayos ;D
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along Bugis st. going to sim lim square and sim lim towers maraming mga shops selling eletronics, burlington square is right beside sim lim square....
of course there is Adelphi center right accross Funan...
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Joey, ganda nga sq nitong mga bulilit na to...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/7621FD27-0381-47BB-A131-CEF5FA4178F3_zpsczlqfaiy.jpg)
Found them harsh for the first 10 minutes, gradually improved to very nice sounding speakers. Bukas will port them and hopefully get some more low frequencies.
Wagas! very nice enclosure... hope mine will be finish tom... still cutting the plywood...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/B03229B3-57CD-464A-931E-17E4A72B3DBF_zpsz4bz06ph.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/B03229B3-57CD-464A-931E-17E4A72B3DBF_zpsz4bz06ph.jpg.html)
You can contact Neo from the following link ...... http://markaudio-singapore.com/Dealers (http://markaudio-singapore.com/Dealers)
and quoting joey's previous post - "it was one of the shop in bilboard mall in front of sim lim tower. and that is a JBL PARAGON (D44000)"
brader hindi sa burlington tower ang office ni neo. nasa Pasir Ris siya malapit. yung Jbl Paragon ang nasa burlington tower.
along Bugis st. going to sim lim square and sim lim towers maraming mga shops selling eletronics, burlington square is right beside sim lim square....
of course there is Adelphi center right accross Funan...
sorry braders... burlington pala at hindi bilboard... hehehe... tube heaven sa burlington... grabe!
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Bilis lang yan brader... Might let go of mine pala. Have important matters that diverts my expense.
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Wagas! very nice enclosure... hope mine will be finish tom... still cutting the plywood...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/B03229B3-57CD-464A-931E-17E4A72B3DBF_zpsz4bz06ph.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/B03229B3-57CD-464A-931E-17E4A72B3DBF_zpsz4bz06ph.jpg.html)
nice cuts...
ano ginamit mo brader? TS o CS?
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Curious lang, how does Mark Audio Full Range compare to Audio Nirvana Full Range?
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Curious lang, how does Mark Audio Full Range compare to Audio Nirvana Full Range?
Haven't heard the audio nirvanas, but these speakers have a timbre that is close to my harbeths... Very nice little things......
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nice cuts...
ano ginamit mo brader? TS o CS?
Track saw cut yan brader... Me nag hihintay sayong dewalt dto... Hehehe >:D
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Wagas! very nice enclosure... hope mine will be finish tom... still cutting the plywood...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/B03229B3-57CD-464A-931E-17E4A72B3DBF_zpsz4bz06ph.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/B03229B3-57CD-464A-931E-17E4A72B3DBF_zpsz4bz06ph.jpg.html)
wow! those are mini-onkens? ganda nyan for sure pag natapos. real wood veneer finish ba sir joey?
Joey, ganda nga sq nitong mga bulilit na to...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/7621FD27-0381-47BB-A131-CEF5FA4178F3_zpsczlqfaiy.jpg)
Found them harsh for the first 10 minutes, gradually improved to very nice sounding speakers. Bukas will port them and hopefully get some more low frequencies.
ang bilis nakagawa ng enclosures, iba talaga si sir timber.
Haven't heard the audio nirvanas, but these speakers have a timbre that is close to my harbeths... Very nice little things......
this is a big feedback sir,comparing MA to Harbeths, i'm beginning love DIY ;)
hindi lang ako nakapag-login the past week (been very busy with work projects) ang dami agad developments, iba talaga cab1net boys! O0
keep it coming mga sir.
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Track saw cut yan brader... Me nag hihintay sayong dewalt dto... Hehehe >:D
Yun oh! Ayus brader... simpleng kulam lang ah! ;D ;D ;D
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Di ka pa ginagamitan ng walis tambo niyan >:D
Go ka na sa track saw.....ako naghihintay ng good deal dun sa cordless drill.....
Yun oh! Ayus brader... simpleng kulam lang ah! ;D ;D ;D
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Di ka pa ginagamitan ng walis tambo niyan >:D
Go ka na sa track saw.....ako naghihintay ng good deal dun sa cordless drill.....
Ganun ba? Call me............... Wag text ha?! Call!
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Di ka pa ginagamitan ng walis tambo niyan >:D
Go ka na sa track saw.....ako naghihintay ng good deal dun sa cordless drill.....
First things first lang... mahina ang kalaban hahaha! Nakita mo ba yun makeshift CS stop/saw rail ko? Yun yard stick ni misis! Muntik ko na nga mabali hahaha...
Wag na gumamit ng walis, nakita ko naman ang importance at useability, ang hinahanap ko na lang yun financing hahaha! ;D
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Ganun ba? Call me............... Wag text ha?! Call!
Call now! And get ready to be swept. >:D
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After a month my enclosures are done & have been gathering dust in my office for a couple of weeks until I was able to find time to put it together last weekend. I've been busy with work lately & my family did some volunteer work in Villamor the past 2 weekends for the victims of Yolanda.
I inquired from known enclosure fabricators here in the forum but due to sked conflict & time constraint I just decided to ask my suking karpintero to build them for me. He doesn't have any experience fabricating speaker boxes so it took us more than a few back & forth discussions...ganun pala talaga kapag parehong first time ;D
So after some issues with plywood finishing, sizes of wood available around etc. I decided to go the engineered solid wood route. The finish is still rough, we just applied varnish and that's it. Ipaayos ko na lang finishing pag may time na. Below is the built pic:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2863/11414879166_4f8840a669_c.jpg)
These are Mark Audio Alpair 10P Gen 1 drivers on Pensil enclosures. How does it sound?...Well, I promised myself to be objective about giving my listening impressions & not let my excitement get in the way.
I've only been in the audio hobby for 2 years now, I don't have many gear as I like it simple & don't want to spend a fortune on this hobby, my priorities with family outweigh any hobby but I like to think I know a good sounding audio setup when I hear one.
My objective for this build is to produce a pair of speakers with very good to excellent midrange as I find myself listening to a lot of jazz, acoustic, neo-classical/classical music lately (ganun yata talaga ang tumatanda ;)) It is also the reason why I chose the paper cone drivers. I opted for the pensils because they are front firing & doesn't require much space from the wall, they will be put in a smallish 16sq/m room. Let me tell you these drivers doesn't disappoint and something tells me they will sound better after a couple of hundred hours.
I'm still listening at low to moderate levels per recommendation of the manufacturer and I can already tell that these are smooth sounding speakers with a lot of detail. I also noticed that there isn't much difference or no difference at all when listening on axis vs. off-axis(20-30degrees). Listening late at night when everything is quiet made me hear details in songs I never knew were there before. I've been listening to speakers with tweeters as far as I can remember but I'm not missing them on these pair. The low end is still inconclusive at this point since it is not recommended to listen to heavy bass sounding music until the burn in period is done but I can hear coherent low end on jazz materials. Piano, in my observation is what most speakers I've heard are having problems in terms of producing natural sound and in these speakers I'm hearing the most natural sounding piano timbre on my system.
So are these the best sounding speakers I've heard?
NO. go to a hi-fi show & you will hear better sound but the price difference is heaven & earth. And these speakers can give them a run for their money ;)
Are these the best sounding speakers I have owned?
YES, as mentioned I don't own many but these are the best sounding speakers I can afford or willing to spend on.
Would I recommend this to others?
YES, but it's not for everyone.
I am loving the DIY route, the first time I hooked them up was like the when the bulb started glowing up in my first science project when they made us light a bulb using batteries in parallel/series circuit ;D Now, on to my next DIY project...a tube amp, will probably get a kit for newbies like me and hopefully I won't blow our house to dust ;)
Another pic:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7405/11414873195_4660ac09b4_c.jpg)
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Ang ganda. I like them.
Take a look at Bowei 2a3C tube amps on ebay. Sun Audio Sv-2A3 clone. Schemes are also available online.
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ganda ng finish Sir ha.... >:D >:D what type of wood that you used? ^-^
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Ang ganda. I like them.
Take a look at Bowei 2a3C tube amps on ebay. Sun Audio Sv-2A3 clone. Schemes are also available online.
Thanks Gino. At first I didn't like the rough & tough look but I gotta admit it's growing on me ;D
Will check those tube amps out, thanks for the recommendation.
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ganda ng finish Sir ha.... >:D >:D what type of wood that you used? ^-^
Sir, those are Pateco engineered solid wood. sa home depot meron sila. thanks.
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Congrats! Simple but elegant enclosure. Hope to get my hands on these remarkable full range speakers soon. :D
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I like rough and tough. It shows a man did the work. My av rack is rough and tough. A few tool marks here and there but it is charming. It fits the less than perfect room that I have.
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Congrats! Simple but elegant enclosure. Hope to get my hands on these remarkable full range speakers soon. :D
Thanks sir. I was skeptical at the beginning since they are raw drivers but after listening to them, it was a blissful experience ;)
I like rough and tough. It shows a man did the work. My av rack is rough and tough. A few tool marks here and there but it is charming. It fits the less than perfect room that I have.
+1 sir. I also want to support mga local skilled workers, si Mang Boyet (karpintero) text ng text sa akin kumusta daw tumunog, mas excited pa sa akin ;D he asked me kung kapareho daw ba ng tunong nung nasa home office ko (Wharfedale Denton) nung sinabi ko mas maganda pa, tuwang tuwa.
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Hi deist,
Nice build. When do we take it for a spin?
Regards,
JoeyGS
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Hi deist, congrats! That's really a nice looking enclosure. 8)
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from this...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/2B161E42-7ECC-499E-AD5B-9EF75D49A486_zps2a76nrrd.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2B161E42-7ECC-499E-AD5B-9EF75D49A486_zps2a76nrrd.jpg.html)
to this
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/C17EC593-A656-44B4-867B-C84D9A743A0C_zps491hpk31.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/C17EC593-A656-44B4-867B-C84D9A743A0C_zps491hpk31.jpg.html)
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ganda ah! 8)
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ganda ah! 8)
thanks brader. sobra sakit katawan ko. hirap pala gawin enclo na yan... but very fullfilling...
will make the Frugel-Horn Mk3 naman... will use 1' MDF.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/29257718-0EE2-4EBC-AFB1-CB9043639D48_zps9ut8jxog.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/29257718-0EE2-4EBC-AFB1-CB9043639D48_zps9ut8jxog.jpg.html)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/2FCB683F-A51E-4A7C-BCCF-B19D3602F172_zpsb09d4vgo.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2FCB683F-A51E-4A7C-BCCF-B19D3602F172_zpsb09d4vgo.jpg.html)
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ano amp ang gamit mo now brader?
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ano amp ang gamit mo now brader?
T amp lang brader. low volume lang for break in. but all i can say is WOW! Kaliit eh kagaling tumunog...
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Sakto yung template brad?
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Sakto yung template brad?
sakto brad... sakto sa lihis. hehehe... lampas konti.
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sakto brad... sakto sa lihis. hehehe... lampas konti.
Hehehe, hindi ka nagtest ng template guides?
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Hehehe, hindi ka nagtest ng template guides?
Nagtest, pero yung face lang. Yung cut out nya hindi. Will make another jig sa cut out.
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from this...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/2B161E42-7ECC-499E-AD5B-9EF75D49A486_zps2a76nrrd.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2B161E42-7ECC-499E-AD5B-9EF75D49A486_zps2a76nrrd.jpg.html)
to this
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/C17EC593-A656-44B4-867B-C84D9A743A0C_zps491hpk31.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/C17EC593-A656-44B4-867B-C84D9A743A0C_zps491hpk31.jpg.html)
ang pogi naman!
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Hi deist,
Nice build. When do we take it for a spin?
Regards,
JoeyGS
JoeyGS - let's give it a couple of days to burn in pa, bumubulong pa lang ngayon sir :D this weekend we can go for a listen.
Hi deist, congrats! That's really a nice looking enclosure. 8)
thanks Sir Jojo.
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T amp lang brader. low volume lang for break in. but all i can say is WOW! Kaliit eh kagaling tumunog...
congrats sir Joey! looking forward to the FHM3 >:D
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T amp lang brader. low volume lang for break in. but all i can say is WOW! Kaliit eh kagaling tumunog...
Got it. Kilitiin mo lang muna pero paminsan-minsan pipitikin mo na din. ;)
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Got it. Kilitiin mo lang muna pero paminsan-minsan pipitikin mo na din. ;)
ganito nangyayari sa akin e, low volume listening tapos kapag favorite track di napipigilan sarili unti-unting nilalakasan ;D
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ganito nangyayari sa akin e, low volume listening tapos kapag favorite track di napipigilan sarili unti-unting nilalakasan ;D
very consistent naman ang suspension ng mga MA drivers sir deist, kaya ok lang kahit hindi masyado mapigilan hehehe...
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Tukayo ang ganda!!! ...... lalong di ako mapakali!!!!!
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/Mobile%20Uploads/C17EC593-A656-44B4-867B-C84D9A743A0C_zps491hpk31.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/joey1355/media/Mobile%20Uploads/C17EC593-A656-44B4-867B-C84D9A743A0C_zps491hpk31.jpg.html)
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Brader Jojo ...... T-amp law daw o! 8) O0
T amp lang brader. low volume lang for break in. but all i can say is WOW! Kaliit eh kagaling tumunog...
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Brader pag dumating na yung plywood, let me know ha ...... na-excite ako dun sa impression ni tukayo....
Sakto yung template brad?
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Great! Text text lang.....
JoeyGS - let's give it a couple of days to burn in pa, bumubulong pa lang ngayon sir :D this weekend we can go for a listen.
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ang pogi naman!
thanks sir. yung gumawa lang pangit... hehehe...
congrats sir Joey! looking forward to the FHM3 >:D
thanks. iba talaga pag maganda box. maganda din tumunog. hope i can finish the FHM3 before 2014.
Got it. Kilitiin mo lang muna pero paminsan-minsan pipitikin mo na din. ;)
sarap makinig lalo kanina umaga mga 2am. nagugulat nga ako, me mga tunog na lumalabas na hindi ko naririnig sa ibang speaker. haaay...
Tukayo ang ganda!!! ...... lalong di ako mapakali!!!!!
thanks tukayo... prototype pa lang yan. will make the final build sa jan. nagkamali nga ako ng sukat. hirap habulin. 15mm ply lang dapat kaso 18mm ang ginamit ko. kaya have to redo the dimension. good thing me table saw.
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Brader Jojo ...... T-amp law daw o! 8) O0
Pang burn-in niya yan T-amp... niluluto pa yun Baby G niya eh... ;D
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Yung T-amp natin ha......
Pang burn-in niya yan T-amp... niluluto pa yun Baby G niya eh... ;D
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Yung T-amp natin ha......
Next year na yun.... ;D
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Update naman diyan .....
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Busy si Joey gumagawa ng workbench brader.... Hehehehe
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Kina-career na ah ... kakaingit naman....
Busy si Joey gumagawa ng workbench brader.... Hehehehe
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hindi nga matapus tapos mga brader... need ko wood ni timber...
hold muna tuloy ang FHM3, till workbench is done.
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Brader ..... its 'next year' na ;D 8)
Next year na yun.... ;D
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malapit ko na madinig ito....ilang tulog nalang ;D ;D ;D
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mark audio is coming up with a woofer design.....http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/249288-new-woofs-2014-a.html#post3780269
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malapit ko na madinig ito....ilang tulog nalang ;D ;D ;D
congrats in advance sir! anong driver kinuha mo? :)
mark audio is coming up with a woofer design.....http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/249288-new-woofs-2014-a.html#post3780269
sir tony, this is what I like about Mark Fenlon, he takes time to get input from DIYers and from there base the improvements he makes to his new products ;)
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congrats in advance sir! anong driver kinuha mo? :)
chr 70 champagne sir, try ko small FR driver kung ano magiging outcome ng SQ sa present system ko :)
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yes, so you can give ideas as to how to proceed....:D
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congrats in advance sir! anong driver kinuha mo? :)
chr 70 champagne sir, try ko small FS driver kung ano magiging outcome ng SQ sa present system ko :)
sige pag nabuo mo bagong speaker, papahiramin kia ng set amp na KT88...
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chr 70 champagne sir, try ko small FS driver kung ano magiging outcome ng SQ sa present system ko :)
ayos, i'd say go for Frugal Horn enclosure design:
(http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/colin/CHERRYFH3.JPG)
go! go! go! remington ;)
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will try it with this cloned sonus faber venere 1.5 box muna para less gastos ;D and will see how it will sound, will have it modified to mount the chr 70 ;)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN5813_zps59585616.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN5813_zps59585616.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN5798_zpsde1b9f1e.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN5798_zpsde1b9f1e.jpg.html)
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are these speakers available here?
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nope sir sa singapore meron.
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nope sir sa singapore meron.
ok tnx
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nope sir sa singapore meron.
ok tnx
text me 09491937027 kung gusto mo magpasabay ng CHR-70 Champagne color
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text me 09491937027 kung gusto mo magpasabay ng CHR-70 Champagne color
ok i will text you
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available din sa HongKong, EU, Australia - NZ & US, link to dealers below:
http://www.markaudio.com/Dealers
;)
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:)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg.html)
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:)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg.html)
bro ang lupit nito ah!!!
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ganda sa box nyan bro pag naka dikit na he he! dagdag pogi points ^-^
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:)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg.html)
Ayos sir! dagdag pogi points for sure ;)
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:)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8319_zps70540ea8.jpg.html)
ayus to! baka may sobra pa kayo sir.... ;D
tamangtama sa next project ko yan.
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ayus to! baka may sobra pa kayo sir.... ;D
tamangtama sa next project ko yan.
sakto lang pinagawa ko sa amin ni chorus sir 4pcs. lang e!
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breaking in na yung Markaudio? :)
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sakto lang pinagawa ko sa amin ni chorus sir 4pcs. lang e!
Bro jun, padinig ha.
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breaking in na yung Markaudio? :)
today ko palng makukuha sir dadayuhin ko mamaya sa navotas
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Bro jun, padinig ha.
sure bro! PM kita pag ok na sya pakinggan he he. Musta na?
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today ko palng makukuha sir dadayuhin ko mamaya sa navotas
Another great FR project...
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today ko palng makukuha sir dadayuhin ko mamaya sa navotas
congrats sir! sleepless nights nanaman :)
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Another great FR project...
Yes bro atat na nga ako makuha para maumpisahan na ang burn in he he!
congrats sir! sleepless nights nanaman :)
oo nga sir mapupuyat nanaman!!!
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Breaking-in one channel of the dual driver Pensil box design. The other channel still awaits for the other set of drivers........
The box is still in it's semi-final finish to allow for tuning......
(http://imageshack.com/a/img841/9600/s9h5.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img546/5531/3v1h.jpg)
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^ayan na!pa-experience sir joey.
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Definitely! Single channel? Or you'll wait for the other channel?
12 hours into the break-in and sound improvement is night and day! The single channel can already fill my music room.
^ayan na!pa-experience sir joey.
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How is it overall so far brad?
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Very promising brad...... Playing mozart and i can hear the low registers at low volume. No stuffing at the moment....
How is it overall so far brad?
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NICE! Can't wait to hear this! Mono audio ba?
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Definitely! Single channel? Or you'll wait for the other channel?
12 hours into the break-in and sound improvement is night and day! The single channel can already fill my music room.
pwede ba both sir ;D lalo pang gaganda tunog nyan after a hundred hours.
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Sige, let's sched......
pwede ba both sir ;D lalo pang gaganda tunog nyan after a hundred hours.
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For the moment pang soundbar muna.... Kulamg pa ng another pair of drivers
NICE! Can't wait to hear this! Mono audio ba?
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Kailan ba dating ng drivers mo? I can understand the "gigil" feeling so I am willing to lend you a pair if you like.
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now starting the long and boring process of burning... have to be patient para good outcome ;)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8341_zps09864e56.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8341_zps09864e56.jpg.html)
open air burning :)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8351_zpsb24cef8a.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8351_zpsb24cef8a.jpg.html)
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Yun o..... That would be great!
Matagal pa eh ....... I will just replace your drivers once mine arrives.
Kailan ba dating ng drivers mo? I can understand the "gigil" feeling so I am willing to lend you a pair if you like.
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Yun o..... That would be great!
Matagal pa eh ....... I will just replace your drivers once mine arrives.
Woohooo! Its always good to have good friends....
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now starting the long and boring process of burning... have to be patient para good outcome ;)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8341_zps09864e56.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8341_zps09864e56.jpg.html)
Wow naman, congrats! Long wait is over....
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Wow naman, congrats! Long wait is over....
yup...sa wakas nakarating din he he. ikakahon nalang... nakaka 10 hours na burning simula kagabi! matagal pa :'(
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Yun o..... That would be great!
Matagal pa eh ....... I will just replace your drivers once mine arrives.
Sure no problem.
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Woohooo! Its always good to have good friends....
Feedforward the Blessings brader...
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Woohoo!
Thanks thanks!
Sure no problem.
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now starting the long and boring process of burning... have to be patient para good outcome ;)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8341_zps09864e56.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8341_zps09864e56.jpg.html)
open air burning :)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/DSCN8351_zpsb24cef8a.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/DSCN8351_zpsb24cef8a.jpg.html)
wow congrats, 90 hours na lang! :)
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Mukhang magkaiba ang drivers namin ni Jojo ah. Walang suffix 'A' yung kanya despite being 3rd Gen.
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kalampagin mo na si tukayo mo...
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30 hours past and nagpapakilala na ng true character si chr70 lumalabas na ang detail :)
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30 hours past and nagpapakilala na ng true character si chr70 lumalabas na ang detail :)
nakakainip na nakakagigil ang burning in ;)
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30 hours past and nagpapakilala na ng true character si chr70 lumalabas na ang detail :)
nice, congrats sir... parinig po, ano po gamit nio na amp... ^-^
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nakakainip na nakakagigil ang burning in ;)
oo nga sir nakaka bitin kaya pag bitin ako sa sound bina bi-amp ko sya sa AN para tuloy tuloy pa din burning mahina lang ang sa mark audio para di ma pwersa he he :)
nice, congrats sir... parinig po, ano po gamit nio na amp... ^-^
sure sir ... lepai as power amp and 6h8 tube pre amp pampa ganda ng detail gamit ko pang burn in sir para tipid sa kuryente he he pero sinubok ko na din sya sa el34 pp power amp and very promising talaga SQ nitong bulilit na speaker na ito ^-^
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Pwedeng parinig din sir? :-[
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Pwedeng parinig din sir? :-[
Saan kaya rin pede makarinig nito?
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sure sir pag na burn in na para labas na ang full character. Marikina area ako if ever.
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^palagay ko eto magandang i pang drive dyan sa markaudio mo...... >:D
pwede rin single KT88...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4201_zpse78815b6.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4201_zpse78815b6.jpg.html)
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WOW ganda nyan master :o yan ba yung papahiram mo sakin ;D sigurado ganda ng SQ ng MA dyan...
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^^panalo yan sir Tony!
sa observation ko gusto ng MA drivers is low wattage amps esp se tube amp. maganda rin sa T-amp, gamit ko ngayon is smsl-sa36a (while waiting for the parts for diy tube amp build).
tried my MA Alpair 10p sa 40watter na SS integrated amp, mas maganda pa sq using smsl ;)
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WOW ganda nyan master :o yan ba yung papahiram mo sakin ;D sigurado ganda ng SQ ng MA dyan...
yup ready to go na, sayang naman kung hindi nagagamit...:D
^^panalo yan sir Tony!
sa observation ko gusto ng MA drivers is low wattage amps esp se tube amp. maganda rin sa T-amp, gamit ko ngayon is smsl-sa36a (while waiting for the parts for diy tube amp build).
tried my MA Alpair 10p sa 40watter na SS integrated amp, mas maganda pa sq using smsl ;)
yup this is a 10 watter per channel, triode connected EL34's, here power is not the goal....
but mind you, this 10wpc amp pulls in 180 watts from meralco....
i tried using ss rectifiers hoping to lower the consumption, bu it actually rose to 200 watts...
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^palagay ko eto magandang i pang drive dyan sa markaudio mo...... >:D
pwede rin single KT88...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4201_zpse78815b6.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4201_zpse78815b6.jpg.html)
ganda sir tony... your craftsmanship is superb! best pair with MA/FR for sure...
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yup ready to go na, sayang naman kung hindi nagagamit...:D
wow ayos puntahan ko dyan master pag maaga ako makawala one of this week days dalahin ko tuloy yung prototype na 6h8. Tawag muna ko bago punta...exited na ko!!!
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Tony, this is just right for the MA drivers and probably would provide ample headroom to make it sing beautifully.
yup ready to go na, sayang naman kung hindi nagagamit...:D
yup this is a 10 watter per channel, triode connected EL34's, here power is not the goal....
but mind you, this 10wpc amp pulls in 180 watts from meralco....
i tried using ss rectifiers hoping to lower the consumption, bu it actually rose to 200 watts...
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Sir Tony, i'm also contemplating on the appropriate rectifier to use for my build & concerned about the heat produced by a rectifier tube, will using an ss rectifier lessen the heat significantly? what are the advantages of using tube rectifiers? TIA!
i tried using ss rectifiers hoping to lower the consumption, bu it actually rose to 200 watts...
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My burn-in is now at the 70+ hours mark .....
Though I am using a gainclone amp at 150w per channel, I set the volume at the lowest level so as not to stress the drivers. While maintaining the low volume setting I was able to hear the sound improvement as time went by. At around 40 hours you will hear the bass becoming fuller. Now all frequencies are starting to stabilize towards a balanced sound. Am just amazed on how this little drivers produce bass with the pensil enclosure.
Parang nagsisisi nga ako that I went to dual drivers, for the fear that I may not have sufficient SPL to fill my room. But just the same, with only 2 drivers being broken-in, at 70+hours, the room is already filled. And at the moment I can't change na cause the boxes are already made for dual drivers.
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glad to hear you're happy with the sq...
go Alpair 10.3/10P or 7.3 is the answer sir Joey ;)
Parang nagsisisi nga ako that I went to dual drivers, for the fear that I may not have sufficient SPL to fill my room. But just the same, with only 2 drivers being broken-in, at 70+hours, the room is already filled. And at the moment I can't change na cause the boxes are already made for dual drivers.
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Based on your readings ...... Is the Alpair 10.3/10P have comaprable mids and highs with the Alpair 7.3?
I know that the Alpair 10.3/10P has better bas due to its size, but what I am after is the best quality for mids and highs.....
glad to hear you're happy with the sq...
go Alpair 10.3/10P or 7.3 is the answer sir Joey ;)
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Tony, this is just right for the MA drivers and probably would provide ample headroom to make it sing beautifully.
it should, right now on my AIWA BS, bass is so well defined, not so loud but clear, and i am happy.....:D
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Sir Tony, i'm also contemplating on the appropriate rectifier to use for my build & concerned about the heat produced by a rectifier tube, will using an ss rectifier lessen the heat significantly? what are the advantages of using tube rectifiers? TIA!
tube rectifiers add heat to an amp, but if that is a concern, we can replace it with SS rects...
this is a SS rect i made that can sub a 5U4 type tube rect...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4191a_zps66acff1f.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4191a_zps66acff1f.jpg.html)
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Based on your readings ...... Is the Alpair 10.3/10P have comaprable mids and highs with the Alpair 7.3?
I know that the Alpair 10.3/10P has better bas due to its size, but what I am after is the best quality for mids and highs.....
from what i have read & from feedback of users; the 10.3 has a "livelier" highs mainly because of it's metal cone (the driver for those who love rock, big band etc) while the 10P has smoother, neutral & laid back sound overall (for those who love vocals, jazz, solo classical).
the 7.3 (metal cone) similar to 10.3 & is the go to drivers for those building a system with subs but do note that it has been out for a few years now while the 10.3 & 10P were released late last year. the 10P is slowly becoming the favorite in diyaudio.
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tube rectifiers add heat to an amp, but if that is a concern, we can replace it with SS rects...
this is a SS rect i made that can sub a 5U4 type tube rect...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4191a_zps66acff1f.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4191a_zps66acff1f.jpg.html)
ok. maybe i will just utilize both in my build & just put a rectifier switch to get the best of both worlds.
thanks!
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yes, in my case, i just pull out the tube rect and plug in the DIY ss rectifier, very easy....
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yes, in my case, i just pull out the tube rect and plug in the DIY ss rectifier, very easy....
sir Tony, ano yang ss rectifier sa pic?
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sir Tony, ano yang ss rectifier sa pic?
yung mga basag na tubes, kinuha ko yung base, nilinis, and then nilagyan ng ss rectifiers para pwedeng pang-sub...meron nyan sa web....https://www.tubedepot.com/products/solid-state-rectifier
(https://d1sjrnpi226dnf.cloudfront.net/spree/products/large/SSR-2.jpg?1381945464)
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yung mga basag na tubes, kinuha ko yung base, nilinis, and then nilagyan ng ss rectifiers para pwedeng pang-sub...meron nyan sa web....https://www.tubedepot.com/products/solid-state-rectifier
(https://d1sjrnpi226dnf.cloudfront.net/spree/products/large/SSR-2.jpg?1381945464)
ayos! so salpak lang to sa tube rect socket?
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yes....
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Galing naman ....
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great! thanks for the info sir tony.
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45 hours burning and these little drivers amazes me already! kala ko pang jazz and mellow music lang sya...nagkamali ako he he! Hooked it up with my el34 pp power amp and 6h8 pre amp tried different genres and it rocks...crisp ang clear on the highs and you have to hear for yourself the bass it can deliver he he!!! Ano pa kaya mga surprises nito pag naka 100 hours na!
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(http://imageshack.com/a/img841/9600/s9h5.jpg)
95 hours through the burn-in process .... frequencies are well balanced now, you can hear accurate bass from this little drivers, highs are smooth and extended, mids are articulate and wide. Overall gain increased which is a sign that the drivers are freely flexing. Sound is free flowing......
Hope to start with the next pair for the other channel.....
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Oh, didn't you take up JojoD's offer for the proxy pair until yours arrive?
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(http://imageshack.com/a/img841/9600/s9h5.jpg)
95 hours through the burn-in process .... frequencies are well balanced now, you can hear accurate bass from this little drivers, highs are smooth and extended, mids are articulate and wide. Overall gain increased which is a sign that the drivers are freely flexing. Sound is free flowing......
Hope to start with the next pair for the other channel.....
hey, what are you driving those maggies with?
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pasali
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Oh, didn't you take up JojoD's offer for the proxy pair until yours arrive?
Mine are chr70, Joey's are chr70(A).
The "A" suffix indicates a built in arrestor in the diaphragm to limit low frequency excursions which renders the driver's power handling higher.
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I see. So it is a physical part an not like typical baffle steps that employ coils, caps, and resistors?
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JojoD 150watt/channel into 8ohms gainclones
hey, what are you driving those maggies with?
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Nice!
Will this be intended for computer monitors only?
pasali
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its too big sir. that was my set-up when I was in Singapore. currently di sya ginagamit. i've switched to Overnight Sensation MTM as my computer monitor.
those cabinets were purchased from Twin Audio (diyaudio forums)
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JojoD 150watt/channel into 8ohms gainclones
ok....have you tried any tube power amps with those?
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With the maggies, not yet.
With the mark audio speakers, not yet too....
ok....have you tried any tube power amps with those?
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With the maggies, not yet.
With the mark audio speakers, not yet too....
ah, kaya ka pala nag-inquire about tubes....i am making a pp 6c33 tube amp with 2ohm taps, palagay ko bagay dyan sa maggies mo....:D
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How many amps will the PP6c33 tube amp give? If it will be able to drive it, then that would definitely be very nice.....
ah, kaya ka pala nag-inquire about tubes....i am making a pp 6c33 tube amp with 2ohm taps, palagay ko bagay dyan sa maggies mo....:D
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I see. So it is a physical part an not like typical baffle steps that employ coils, caps, and resistors?
Yes it's like that.
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How many amps will the PP6c33 tube amp give? If it will be able to drive it, then that would definitely be very nice.....
about 60wpc, at 2 ohms that is about 5.5 A rms....
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Do I smell a build soon?
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hopefully this year, but looking at my amps build in progress, i counted 9 on the shelves in various stages of completion.....
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Mark Fenlon & his team came up the "arrestor" device (inside the magnet) after some guy dissed him online, in multiple audio foras saying that his drivers are crap & too fragile, well the guy apparently put a pair of MA drivers in an old speaker enclosure he owns, maybe didn't like the sound so he cranked up the volume too high during burn in period & busted the drivers. After hearing out feedbacks from DIYers, the arrestor was added last year to the newer MA driver models.
I see. So it is a physical part an not like typical baffle steps that employ coils, caps, and resistors?
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@JoeyGS - naka-order ka na ba sir ng CHR-70A? when do you expect them to arrive?
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The drivers I ordered last year was delayed and will arrive end of March pa. I was forced to order another pair and is due to arrive today.
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Now 106 hours on the chr-70a and I feel like that there is 30-40hz bass. Rebecca Pegion's Spanish Harlem is so palpable, vocals are very clear and feels the room with bass! The glass diffuser of my pinlight rattles on the early passages (intro) of the song ....... excited to burn-in the second pair!
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Now I really need to drop by your house to have a listen...btw, I tried your advice, nilipat ko sa opposite side ng room (sa katapat na wall) yung desk & speakers, ang laki ng improvement sa lows. I therefore conclude ayaw nya yung overhead shelves ;D
Now 106 hours on the chr-70a and I feel like that there is 30-40hz bass. Rebecca Pegion's Spanish Harlem is so palpable, vocals are very clear and feels the room with bass! The glass diffuser of my pinlight rattles on the early passages (intro) of the song ....... excited to burn-in the second pair!
I see. may parating kasi akong items from SG next month din ;)
The drivers I ordered last year was delayed and will arrive end of March pa. I was forced to order another pair and is due to arrive today.
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I was in my home office early this morning checking emails, surfing the web & watching highlights on ESPN when my 11 yr old son decided to "chill" & hang out, he asked me if we could listen to an album that has become his "album of the month", it was Lorde's - Pure Heroine in .flac files. I have heard "Royals" & "Team" countless of times on FM radio but it was the first time I was able to listen to the entire album.
My Alpair 10Ps are fully burned in & has about 200+ hours on them so we can cranked up the volume the way kids love to listen to songs. Like most pop albums nowadays, Pure Heroine seems to have forgotten about the mid range frequencies, a lot of bass & highs + Lorde's not so pleasant voice. I can see the excursion of the 10P's cone & was surprised it handled the bass well.What made the album enjoyable to listen to (aside from the catchy tunes & beat) was Lorde's songwriting, she mostly sings about where she came from, the environment she grew up in and you can sense truthfulness in the lyrics.
I mostly listen to jazz, vocals, acoustic & classical nowadays, it was a good break from the norm & good bonding experience with my "nagbibinata" son. The 10Ps can handle most type of music but they shine best when listening to well recorded albums. They are revealing & exposes the "flaws" of the music material, some of the stuff you listen to before might not be that enjoyable with the 10Ps.
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Passing of the torch...almost. Bonding is great.
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Now you are getting more excited! Fullrangers, as I have read, its main strength are with vocals, small to medium instriment ensembles. Good to hear that you enjoying it with other genres.
I was in my home office early this morning checking emails, surfing the web & watching highlights on ESPN when my 11 yr old son decided to "chill" & hang out, he asked me if we could listen to an album that has become his "album of the month", it was Lorde's - Pure Heroine in .flac files. I have heard "Royals" & "Team" countless of times on FM radio but it was the first time I was able to listen to the entire album.
My Alpair 10Ps are fully burned in & has about 200+ hours on them so we can cranked up the volume the way kids love to listen to songs. Like most pop albums nowadays, Pure Heroine seems to have forgotten about the mid range frequencies, a lot of bass & highs + Lorde's not so pleasant voice. I can see the excursion of the 10P's cone & was surprised it handled the bass well.What made the album enjoyable to listen to (aside from the catchy tunes & beat) was Lorde's songwriting, she mostly sings about where she came from, the environment she grew up in and you can sense truthfulness in the lyrics.
I mostly listen to jazz, vocals, acoustic & classical nowadays, it was a good break from the norm & good bonding experience with my "nagbibinata" son. The 10Ps can handle most type of music but they shine best when listening to well recorded albums. They are revealing & exposes the "flaws" of the music material, some of the stuff you listen to before might not be that enjoyable with the 10Ps.
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Dumating na ba Joey?
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Mainit-init pa....... 8)
Dumating na ba Joey?
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Whoo hoo. Installed?
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In the process pa and for break-in pa din.....
Whoo hoo. Installed?
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In the process pa and for break-in pa din.....
Sir pwede pa pm kung sa sa SG nabili? Thanks...
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Sent you pm. And if you back read here you can find the address of the seller in singapore
Sir pwede pa pm kung sa sa SG nabili? Thanks...
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i will ask around in Raon, some sellers there must have heard about this speakers....
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2nd round of break-in for the other channel.....
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These must be things of beauty in person. They look at home in that very tasteful room and set up.
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Brader, are those true diffusers at the back?
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Wow ang laki ng kwarto mo sir JoeyGS.
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Sent you pm. And if you back read here you can find the address of the seller in singapore
Thank you sir!
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Yes, mini RPG design per square panel
Brader, are those true diffusers at the back?
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Hindi naman. Just enough for dipoles to sing
Wow ang laki ng kwarto mo sir JoeyGS.
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walang kaligaw-ligaw ang left and right diyan, isang champagne at isang set na silver.
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Nice! Bookmarking this
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Mix and match naman yan in the end.....
walang kaligaw-ligaw ang left and right diyan, isang champagne at isang set na silver.
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Mix and match naman yan in the end.....
I'm glad the drivers already arrived. Overnight burn in na yan...
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Nagumpisa na ang burn-in.......after 100hrs, will play in stereo mode and fine tune with stuffing.....
I'm glad the drivers already arrived. Overnight burn in na yan...
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after 110 hours of patience I may say that these little drivers do perform well in any music material I throw at it. Still not in its proper box but the music is there, the highs the mids and... the lows that really amazes me because at its size no one will really believe it can give that amount of bass til' you hear. Its not perfect but it is good! Although one thing I notice is it should be placed properly to hear its full potential. Overall it is really a bang for the buck drivers and will give your moneys worth! And I'm sure it will continue to improve overtime... ;) just my personal impression though ;D
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It's the same impression I am getting and hopefully will be ale to correctly tune in order to optimize the performance of these drivers.
In the following link, Mark Fenlon explains the characteristics and performance of Mark Audio drivers:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/244420-operation-info-flattening-markaudio-driver-response.html (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/244420-operation-info-flattening-markaudio-driver-response.html)
Also, following is a link to the story of the chr70 gen.3 and it's a nice read:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/184372-chr-70-generation-3-coming-soon.html (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/184372-chr-70-generation-3-coming-soon.html)
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MALIGAYANG ARAW NG MGA PUSOD SA LAHAT ;D ;D ;D
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Ganun din s U sir.
Masaya ang araw na 'to, bukas nasa akin na rin... MA : :)
Thanks bro Chorus.
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Ganun din s U sir.
Masaya ang araw na 'to, bukas nasa akin na rin... MA : :)
Thanks bro Chorus.
ayos sir magugulat ka sa SQ nyan kailangan lang ng slow burning at proper placement ;)
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hahaha sana nga mahilig sa audio, the other day I saw sketches in a piece of paper inside his room, looks like speaker enclosure designs, may graphics pa yung baffle! ;D
Passing of the torch...almost. Bonding is great.
Same, same sir...it's time to play some of those cool jazz albums for the missus ;)
MALIGAYANG ARAW NG MGA PUSOD SA LAHAT ;D ;D ;D
If your situation will permit sir, go for pensil enclosures (katulad kay JoeyGs), ganda ng imaging & soundstage with these simple to build boxes :)
ayos sir magugulat ka sa SQ nyan kailangan lang ng slow burning at proper placement ;)
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already planning to build the proper enclosure for these drivers after I heard their potentials... ;)
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kung sakali, makikisabay sana ako 1pair :)
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kung sakali, makikisabay sana ako 1pair :)
wala pa bang nagpa-plano mag import nito.... maraming interesado eh.
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8.45pm - burn in starts....
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Nice.....
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86 hours on the second channel ....... Nakakainip 8)
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nag off ka pa ba? dapat magdamagan na yan... 4 days lang 96 hours agad... ;D
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nag off ka pa ba? dapat magdamagan na yan... 4 days lang 96 hours agad... ;D
Nag off naman yata sya brader.... Day off! Hehehehe
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Nag off naman yata sya brader.... Day off! Hehehehe
Nag day off na kasi di maiwanan ang gears brader... ang tagal ng finishing naiinip na ako hehehe...
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Hopefully tapos ang breakin and tuning until next week....
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as per the suggestions of those who already heard my MA, no need for another box as this already sounds good! ;)
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as per the suggestions of those who already heard my MA, no need to make another box as this already sound good! ;)
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Ang bilis ah... hehehe...
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pinaspasan bro para ma set-up na properly he he...
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congrats sir
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thanks sir :)
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Congrats sir! what speaker enclosure is this?
as per the suggestions of those who already heard my MA, no need for another box as this already sounds good! ;)
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cloned sonus faber venere 1.5 modified to fit the mark audio sir.
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Kaya pala na-confuse ako sa pics. 1st pic, sa left side edge to edge ang black front panel. Tapos sa 2nd pic may half inch veneer board left and ride side. Curved pala ang sides ha ha. Naalala ko na ang Sonus Faber mo.
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yes sir ito yung dating 3way, ok din naman ang naging outcome ng SQ naka tipid pa ko he he.
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yes sir ito yung dating 3way, ok din naman ang naging outcome ng SQ naka tipid pa ko he he.
Grabe sir, kung ano ano na pinag-eexperimentahan mo. Daming pera hahahaha. Next time habol ako sa'yo hehe
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Grabe sir, kung ano ano na pinag-eexperimentahan mo. Daming pera hahahaha. Next time habol ako sa'yo hehe
tipid nga bro kasi recycled yung box pero good outcome naman.
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8.45pm - burn in starts....
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100hrs of burning-in finished...
used Topping TP20-MK2 for burning-in period, vol @ 9 O'clock, after 100hrs dialed it to 12, medu bitin sa power, hooked it up to my old reliable NAD3225Pe vol @ 9 O'clock pa lang ayun busog na busog pati bass full, tight & fast.
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ayos...congrats sir!!!
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thank you sir...
bilisan lang ang pagkakagawa ng enclosures, saka na pagagandahin. nakapikit naman ako makinig...
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Any special reason kung bakit naka-baligtad yung stands sa ibabaw ng pensil enclosures? nakakatakot lang baka mabagsakan yung ibang gear ;)
congrats btw, have you tried it with the AMX tube amp? musta combination nila?thanks.
100hrs of burning-in finished...
used Topping TP20-MK2 for burning-in period, vol @ 9 O'clock, after 100hrs dialed it to 12, medu bitin sa power, hooked it up to my old reliable NAD3225Pe vol @ 9 O'clock pa lang ayun busog na busog pati bass full, tight & fast.
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you may be amazed at how that "small" speaker can eat the power of the KT88, i am almost sure, they go along well....:D
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sir deist,
getting crowded na ang small listening room - wala ng mapaglagyan ;D. other reason, as a weight planning to have it later [the enclosures] filled with sand.
stable naman sir pero napaisip din ako kung bumagsak nga. thanks for pointing out sir especially baka may makasalisi na bata sa chamber ko :-[
may be another 50hrs before ko subukan sa AMX bka mabigla, 75w/ channel pa naman, minsan di ko kasi ma-kontrol ang pagpihit ng volume, especially pag favourite ang piece of music.
again, thank you sir for starting this "Thread", 4" pa lang satisfied na- i just can imagine its bigger siblings.
master tony,
parang gusto ko tuloy subukan na agad :).... kaso may susunduin pa ako. tonight na lang . thanks
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yung 4 incher na modified Sony FR in a TL ni tukayo, kinaya yung PP EL34, dun kami hinanapan ng subwoofer nung isang visitor sa room....
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Can a 2A3 SET drive the chr70? What are you driving them with?
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yung 4 incher na modified Sony FR in a TL ni tukayo, kinaya yung PP EL34, dun kami hinanapan ng subwoofer nung isang visitor sa room....
hehehe...di makapaniwala ha. can't blame him, ako nga naging believer lang ng marinig ko.
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Welcome sir. I just wanted to share with the community the excellent drivers of MarkAudio, i'm a big fan of bang for the buck products & MA's surely fits the bill ;)
BTW, JoeyGS is driving his CHR70 with 150wpc gainclone monoblock amps ;)
sir deist,
getting crowded na ang small listening room - wala ng mapaglagyan ;D. other reason, as a weight planning to have it later [the enclosures] filled with sand.
stable naman sir pero napaisip din ako kung bumagsak nga. thanks for pointing out sir especially baka may makasalisi na bata sa chamber ko :-[
may be another 50hrs before ko subukan sa AMX bka mabigla, 75w/ channel pa naman, minsan di ko kasi ma-kontrol ang pagpihit ng volume, especially pag favourite ang piece of music.
again, thank you sir for starting this "Thread", 4" pa lang satisfied na- i just can imagine its bigger siblings.
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Kaya naman sir but I think it will depend on the size of the room, might struggle in a big environment. The bigger MA drivers (Alpair models) are more sensitive/efficient and be best paired with 2A3 SET.
The release documentation for my Alpair 10p states:
"The Alpair 10P is “purist” technical driver. Its purpose is to serve the audiophile and experimental markets. Due to the highly emittance sensitive power-train, this driver will need users to take note of the need for high quality lower power amplification and audiophile level source. The Alpair 10P should not be considered as a “general purpose” emitter.MarkAudio drivers are best paired high quality lower power amplification"
Based on my readings, most users recommend 6-20wpc class a SE amps ;)
Can a 2A3 SET drive the chr70? What are you driving them with?
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Welcome sir. I just wanted to share with the community the excellent drivers of MarkAudio, i'm a big fan of bang for the buck products & MA's surely fits the bill ;)
BTW, JoeyGS is driving his CHR70 with 150wpc gainclone monoblock amps ;)
a lot depends din kasi sa power supply ng amps, it is the power supply that makes the difference imho.
the amp gets power from the psu, and if power is available from the psu, the camp can convert that
to ac to drive your speakers, so wattage is not so material, it is the marriage between amps and speakers that matters...
i myself was surprised to find a mere 3 watter 2A3 can play loud in my speakers....that is why i always say, i stopped counting the watts, and started listening to music....:D
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listening to the best of the doors on flac to my chr70 driven by an el34 power amp and a 6h8 pre amp @ 12 o'clock volume....whew....foot stomping ;D.
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listening to the best of the doors on flac to my chr70 driven by an el34 power amp and a 6h8 pre amp @ 12 o'clock volume....whew....foot stomping ;D.
break on through....
me, roy orbison muna...mystery girl CD.
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we tried the MA with a 2A3 a couple of years ago, ok naman, medyo nakakaantok lang.
it's easy powering the MAs, low to high power amps can of course be used. tube amps are very good with clipping, they're like compressors so even a spud amp can survive the MAs. though nowadays, builders tend to go over the top with they're power supplies and loose this valuable characteristic. can't blame them though, they think they're building solid state amps. I build my amps accordingly for both states have different requirements.
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Yup am using the 150wpc gainclone but I don't dare raise the volume beyond 8:30 ;D
I am using this for the breakin and have set the volume to the lowest since the intended amp for this is awaiting delivery.
I have finished the 100+ hours break-in period and will fire-up the stereo set-up hopefully tonight!....stay tuned!
Welcome sir. I just wanted to share with the community the excellent drivers of MarkAudio, i'm a big fan of bang for the buck products & MA's surely fits the bill ;)
BTW, JoeyGS is driving his CHR70 with 150wpc gainclone monoblock amps ;)
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as long as the sound does not distort, you can raise the volume...
but of course if you are happy with the current setting, then stick with it...
a speaker seldom show signs of impending damage...
when the speaker distort, 99% of the time it is because the amplifier has run out of steam,
you will be amazed at how easy for an SS amp to lose steam....
tubes otoh soft clips so that it is not as irritating to the ears....
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MA chr70 with a diy horn tweeter on top ;)
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sir, dami toys ha. parang showroom, congrats.
pwede ba maki pakinig dyan? :)
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sir, dami toys ha. parang showroom, congrats.
pwede ba maki pakinig dyan? :)
pwedeng pwede sir... malapit lang ako hehe
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daming koleksyon ni remington! kapag naligaw ako Marikina sir, padinig ako nyan :)
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daming koleksyon ni remington! kapag naligaw ako Marikina sir, padinig ako nyan :)
sure sir anytime! yung 6v6 integrated tube amp on loan lang from master tonyT para ma test sa FR speakers.
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Done with the 100 hour break-in....... Assembled the stereo speakers for initial listening without stuffing
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After doing proper room placement, initial listening tests conclude the need for internal stuffing. Most glaring result show that the base is loose and lacks definition due to the absence of internal stuffing.
The test proceeded without the need of the subwoofers.
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Brader, lipat mo yung champagne sa baba, parang may sore eyes eh... Hehehehe.
Seriously, seems that other than the bass concern the room is properly filled?
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Sobrang sobra........ Looks like di kailangan ng dual driver to fill the room.
Brader, lipat mo yung champagne sa baba, parang may sore eyes eh... Hehehehe.
Seriously, seems that other than the bass concern the room is properly filled?
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Sobrang sobra........ Looks like di kailangan ng dual driver to fill the room.
Teka, eh ano ba ginagawa mo ngayon? Punuin mo na ng stuffing yan....
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Yes in the process na but stuffing needs to be lined on the walls and not to fill the entire volume.
Came across full range speakers from Pearl Acoustics and was inspired by its specifications and claims to play any genre.... http://pearlacoustics.com/the-sibelius.php (http://pearlacoustics.com/the-sibelius.php)
Teka, eh ano ba ginagawa mo ngayon? Punuin mo na ng stuffing yan....
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ganda ng setup nyo sir joeygs.ano po tawag dun sa nasa ilalim ng tv?pang sound proofing po ba un?
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Yes in the process na but stuffing needs to be lined on the walls and not to fill the entire volume.
Came across full range speakers from Pearl Acoustics and was inspired by its specifications and claims to play any genre.... http://pearlacoustics.com/the-sibelius.php (http://pearlacoustics.com/the-sibelius.php)
Seems like ma nga gamit na drivers ah, made of oak ba kamo? That I can do!
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The challenge is to prevent the wood from moving over time.....
Seems like ma nga gamit na drivers ah, made of oak ba kamo? That I can do!
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They are sound diffusers ..... Mini QRDs
ganda ng setup nyo sir joeygs.ano po tawag dun sa nasa ilalim ng tv?pang sound proofing po ba un?
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Sir Joey, the sibelius are sure damn pretty speakers made of french oak & they use MA drivers but they are not pensils, notice how high the drivers are to the top? they are quarter wave v horns which requires acoustic stuff lining on the "V" (like the frugel horns) while the pensils are an MLTL derivative & will benefit more from stuffing. I have asked Scott Lindgren (pensil enclosure designer) the same question, he doesn't recommend lining the walls but I still did it but just at the back of the driver to diffuse air when bouncing back. YMMV.
On stuffing, the more you put inside the enclosure the less bass you will get but brilliant highs are pronounced, while less stuffing means more bass but tamed highs. Experiment to suit once taste ;) I think I have adjusted the stuffing in my pensils 7 times from day 1
Yes in the process na but stuffing needs to be lined on the walls and not to fill the entire volume.
Came across full range speakers from Pearl Acoustics and was inspired by its specifications and claims to play any genre.... http://pearlacoustics.com/the-sibelius.php (http://pearlacoustics.com/the-sibelius.php)
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Awesome looking pair JoeyGS. I'm sure they look glorious in person. Seeing these and deist's speakers are really inspiring.
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But his drawings indicates provision of stuffing
Sir Joey, the sibelius are sure damn pretty speakers made of french oak & they use MA drivers but they are not pensils, notice how high the drivers are to the top? they are quarter wave v horns which requires acoustic stuff lining on the "V" (like the frugel horns) while the pensils are an MLTL derivative & will benefit more from stuffing. I have asked Scott Lindgren (pensil enclosure designer) the same question, he doesn't recommend lining the walls but I still did it but just at the back of the driver to diffuse air when bouncing back. YMMV.
On stuffing, the more you put inside the enclosure the less bass you will get but brilliant highs are pronounced, while less stuffing means more bass but tamed highs. Experiment to suit once taste ;) I think I have adjusted the stuffing in my pensils 7 times from day 1
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Polyfill lining/stuffing for proper tuning as indicated by the designer of the Pensil R70.3 box.......
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(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7342/12716576423_9b6d5a2925.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12716576423/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12716576423/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7391/12716517425_38e09e3464.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12716517425/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12716517425/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
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And??!.............. How does it sound?
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And??!.............. How does it sound?
Mark Audio update..... Tuned to lovely mids and sweet highs and tight bass. Only one driver was powered and the other is passive. Can extend bass by removing stuffing but mids and highs will suffer. Put in a sub and let's party.....
BTW, one driver is passive per channel in initial test. Powered both drivers per channel, can dispense with the sub......
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I suppose the undriven speakers are acting like passive radiators. Of course with lighter damping. You may be able to tune bass by restricting the ports below while still having the ported effect with the "passive radiators." Not necessary but yet another opportunity to fine tune.
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Ended up with driving both drivers. Bass quality is at its best, tight and tuneful with dynamic and impactful SPL. It may not have the 20hz bass but for most music genre I would say you'll be very satisfied. For the 30hz and below bass, the duty of a sub can be called for to complete the entire frequency range. To my ears I can dispense with the sub.....
From the reviews, its true that you can play with any genre you like......
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Looks and sounds like a successful project to me... congrats and hope to hear it in the future...
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Success indeed. Awesome collaboration between you and Timber715. Truly high end looking speakers.
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I can say that this will go side by side with my Magnepan SMG-c. The mids and highs is not far from the Magnepans SMG-c. The Mark Audio / Pensil combo has more low frequency range than the Magnepans SMG-c. This speaker will be a keeper. (baka time to dispose na my other speakers.....)
Looks and sounds like a successful project to me... congrats and hope to hear it in the future...
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Sir Joey, here's a sample pic of "lining" & "stuffing" in one enclosure:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gMedYWAURug/TozKfBRcgOI/AAAAAAAAAWc/vWp4w5QlWR4/s1600/Frugel-Damping.jpg)
the blue/grey wool felt is the "lining", permanently attached to the enclosure walls while the white polyfill is the "stuffing", amorphous mass spread throghout. I don't know who came up with the terms but that is what I regularly see diyers use, it sure is confusing but like what we have discussed; experimentation is the key & that is where the enjoyment is in doing it yourself ;D
But his drawings indicates provision of stuffing
Guys, this comment alone is a solid testimony to MA drivers' capability. Congrats again sir Joey. time to relax & enjoy the music 8)
I can say that this will go side by side with my Magnepan SMG-c. The mids and highs is not far from the Magnepans SMG-c. The Mark Audio / Pensil combo has more low frequency range than the Magnepans SMG-c. This speaker will be a keeper. (baka time to dispose na my other speakers.....)
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Have been running my Pensil R70.3 box with dual Mark Audio CHR70.3 drivers and now at 150++ hours.
My my ...... it's still improving ..... gain increased as drive-ability is more at ease, level of detail increased, more dynamics and bass!
Bass seemed to be between 30-40hz ..... subs are off now. Cymbals and drums are more organic and raw in sound. I can feel the SPL and dynamics of bass frequencies for such small drivers.......
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7317/12821746764_7d3665cabb_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821746764/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821746764/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7357/12821554753_9981e788cc_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821554753/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821554753/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
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It sounds wonderful. Bass images must be spot on. I am amazed it can extend either end. That's what you get when you do very good homework and have an excellent study partner.
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Nice nice nice!....congratz Joey! Congratz as well to Timber! From the looks, well built and properly executed...
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Nice nice nice!....congratz Joey! Congratz as well to Timber! From the looks, well built and properly executed...
Aba brader, kamusta ka na? Kelan ka papasyal dito?
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Have been running my Pensil R70.3 box with dual Mark Audio CHR70.3 drivers and now at 150++ hours.
My my ...... it's still improving ..... gain increased as drive-ability is more at ease, level of detail increased, more dynamics and bass!
Bass seemed to be between 30-40hz ..... subs are off now. Cymbals and drums are more organic and raw in sound. I can feel the SPL and dynamics of bass frequencies for such small drivers.......
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7317/12821746764_7d3665cabb_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821746764/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821746764/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7357/12821554753_9981e788cc_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821554753/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821554753/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
very nice set-up you have there sir....
not surprise with your impressions w/ Ma Chr70.3, yong sa akin nga single driver lang masaya na ako... lalu na kaya yan dual.
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Have been running my Pensil R70.3 box with dual Mark Audio CHR70.3 drivers and now at 150++ hours.
My my ...... it's still improving ..... gain increased as drive-ability is more at ease, level of detail increased, more dynamics and bass!
Bass seemed to be between 30-40hz ..... subs are off now. Cymbals and drums are more organic and raw in sound. I can feel the SPL and dynamics of bass frequencies for such small drivers.......
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7317/12821746764_7d3665cabb_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821746764/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821746764/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7357/12821554753_9981e788cc_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821554753/)
image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/118331885@N05/12821554753/) by jgseverino (http://www.flickr.com/people/118331885@N05/), on Flickr
good job Joey.....
medyo OT, pero did you try your maggies with JojoD's honey badger? i am making another one kasi? any feedback?
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update lang din...
MarkAudio CHR70[a].3 meets AMX Aria class A Single ended EL84 amplifier.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1898124_752845741407059_1359658575_n.jpg)
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Thanks fredreadrick ..... The dual drivers can really play loud and you are right, single driver is adequate.
very nice set-up you have there sir....
not surprise with your impressions w/ Ma Chr70.3, yong sa akin nga single driver lang masaya na ako... lalu na kaya yan dual.
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We were able to try the honey badger but my maggies were not there yet.
Para di OT..... your SET amps are good partners for the Mark Audio drivers
good job Joey.....
medyo OT, pero did you try your maggies with JojoD's honey badger? i am making another one kasi? any feedback?
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We were able to try the honey badger but my maggies were not there yet.
Para di OT..... your SET amps are good partners for the Mark Audio drivers
i have an 8pwc, EL34 parallel SET that i am letting Remington try on his MarkAudio FR....maybe this weekend kung walang further issues yung amp.....:D
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wow ayos master another flavor...looking forward he he!
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i have an 8pwc, EL34 parallel SET that i am letting Remington try on his MarkAudio FR....maybe this weekend kung walang further issues yung amp.....:D
wow ayos master another flavor...looking forward he he!
Sama naman jan Jun para marinig ko rin set el34...hehehe...
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update lang din...
MarkAudio CHR70[a].3 meets AMX Aria class A Single ended EL84 amplifier.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1898124_752845741407059_1359658575_n.jpg)
Ganda sir ng setup ng MA mo... is that veneer or paint?
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Sama naman jan Jun para marinig ko rin set el34...hehehe...
sure bro...masarap makinig pag may ka jamming hehehe...exited na ko! another flavor in sound...
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Ganda sir ng setup ng MA mo... is that veneer or paint?
sir, flat black lacquer paint lng yan, kulang pa nga sa maselya.
thanks.
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update lang din...
MarkAudio CHR70[a].3 meets AMX Aria class A Single ended EL84 amplifier.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1898124_752845741407059_1359658575_n.jpg)
are they a good match?
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sir madyaw,
the #1 reason why i bought AMX Aria is for economic reason.
i have Topping TP-20 Mark2, used it to drive MA Chr70a.3 during burning-in period & for low volume listening. SQ is pretty good up to 11o'clock, beyond that, it doesn't have enough juice to drive the speakers to it's potential. I have also AMX Forte Tungsol 6550, but it's overkill not to mention the power it sucks from meralco.
enter AMX Aria EL84, 4-5watter SE amps. max i can turn the volume knob is 9.5o'clock, otherwise it'll overdrive 4incher drivers. SQ, nice mids, sparkling highs and solid bottom end.
now i understand what master tony is always saying "i stopped counting watts & started enjoying the music"
i think this pairing will last 'til the next project -Alpair 10P....
thanks for asking.
fred
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Yung 9.5 position, head room na ba iyan or still comfortable listening level. I've been wondering kasi kung kaya ng 2a3 3.5w ko ang MA.
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Yung 9.5 position, head room na ba iyan or still comfortable listening level. I've been wondering kasi kung kaya ng 2a3 3.5w ko ang MA.
+150hrs...
i have a 9sqm. [3*3m] listening room, listening distance 2.40m
@9 comfortable listening level
@9.5 medu inaabot na ung maximum excursion ng driver eh.
kaya next project.. 10P na.
cgurado sir... kayang kaya un.
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sir madyaw,
the #1 reason why i bought AMX Aria is for economic reason.
i have Topping TP-20 Mark2, used it to drive MA Chr70a.3 during burning-in period & for low volume listening. SQ is pretty good up to 11o'clock, beyond that, it doesn't have enough juice to drive the speakers to it's potential. I have also AMX Forte Tungsol 6550, but it's overkill not to mention the power it sucks from meralco.
enter AMX Aria EL84, 4-5watter SE amps. max i can turn the volume knob is 9.5o'clock, otherwise it'll overdrive 4incher drivers. SQ, nice mids, sparkling highs and solid bottom end.
now i understand what master tony is always saying "i stopped counting watts & started enjoying the music"
i think this pairing will last 'til the next project -Alpair 10P....
thanks for asking.
fred
i have a line magnetic class a set amp pushing 3 watts thats why i'm quite interested with ma chr-70 anyway, i will let you know once i tried the set up. i'm waiting for the floorstander which brad chorus will send me. tnx a lot!
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i am getting a 2A3 set, we will test that on the mark audio to confirm suitability...
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go pull the trigger sir ;)
This is why I suggest to those planning to try MA drivers to opt for Alpairs (7.3, 10.3/10P & 12P). Yes, they are much more expensive but truly worth it. I'm not dissing the CHRs, they are very capable drivers, what I'm saying is it would be more economical to go straight to the higher models & spare yourselves the sleepless nights thinking of "what ifs" and then upgrade later on...but that's just my 2 cents, either way i'm sure you won't be disappointed if you plan everything & do it right.
+150hrs...
i have a 9sqm. [3*3m] listening room, listening distance 2.40m
@9 comfortable listening level
@9.5 medu inaabot na ung maximum excursion ng driver eh.
kaya next project.. 10P na.
cgurado sir... kayang kaya un.
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Bro, I've tried my 10Ps with Miniwatt EL84 3.5wpc, my home office is roughly 17sqm and it was filled with lush & laid back music @ 10 o'clock then @ 1 o'clock noticed some clipping. YMMV.
Yung 9.5 position, head room na ba iyan or still comfortable listening level. I've been wondering kasi kung kaya ng 2a3 3.5w ko ang MA.
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What you said makes sense. It is also good to know that your Miniwatt could handle the 10P.
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I was planning to buy the Miniwatt EL84 & good thing a friend was kind enough to loan it to me for a few days...in the end I decided to go ahead with my original plan which is to DIY a tube amp (EL34/KT88), I ordered the traffo, OPTs, choke & motor run caps from Edrel, all the other parts are in SG right now & will arrive end of this month ;)
What you said makes sense. It is also good to know that your Miniwatt could handle the 10P.
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Why do I say it will be more economical to get the expensive Alpair compared to the much cheaper CHR?The initial price difference you will encounter is just for the drivers BUT the cost of building the box (pencils for example) will not be that far apart for both driver models as the difference in the enclosure dimensions is not dramatic.
Let's also consider the resale value, DIY is a project mostly out of love & thrill of building something with your own hands. Audio hobbyists esp pinoys are brand conscious, Mark Audio is not a mainstream product, you have to accept as early as now that you will lose significant amount of money if you plan to sell your item in the future compared to reselling well known brand of spakers.
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I agree with you. Back when I was deep into RC helicopters, I tried selling my Anthony made Fostex simply because it wasn't used. My price went ridiculously low. No grabbers. I was glad nobody bought it. It's back in service and with a vengeance!
Here I also notice that DIY speakers easily lose up to 40% list price. Practically a loss proposition to buy or go DIY.
Spot on that DIY is for the love of it. My speakers weren't cheap then. But I was able to have them built to my design. It was spot on with what I wanted. No wonder I am still enjoying them 10 years later.
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may nagpaparating ba ng MA dito? Feasible din ba yung similar config as JoeyGS but will instead use Alpair 10M Gold and Alpair 12P? or better kung parehong 10M?
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What drivers did JoeyGS use? I too like the cabinets made by Timber. Not a day goes by that I don't look back a page or two to look at them at least once.
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go pull the trigger sir ;)
still loading the barrel sir :)
...sleepless nights...
yes, not worrying but enjoying this little gem [CHR70]
...sure you won't be disappointed...
happy & content with what i have now.
thanks again.
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Incremental happiness is part ang parcel of this hobby.
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Back to the shop for final finishing muna....
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/F54DE4D9-5530-4169-B72F-4FEEEC6257BA_zpskyjusvmu.jpg)
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Hi Gino ..... I used the CHR70.3 - Champagne and Silver color combination. Their are both the same drivers.
If ever you would go for the same enclosure, birch ply (19mm) is preferred so that you would not worry on the wall resonance. Of course, panel thickness is also critical. If you are to use ordinary plywood or thinner thickness, you will be using a lot of damping material (apart from the stuffing material) and also internal bracing will have to be added. So using inferior plywood quality may give you savings up front but cost of damping and bracing will be added, negating the perceived savings.
The Pensil enclosure that I have used was supposed to be a very simple build. Using the right wood will really make it simple. In my case, using birch ply, I just added stuffing and its done.
What drivers did JoeyGS use? I too like the cabinets made by Timber. Not a day goes by that I don't look back a page or two to look at them at least once.
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Yehey!
Baka puwedeng lagyan "timber715" signature yan.....
Back to the shop for final finishing muna....
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/F54DE4D9-5530-4169-B72F-4FEEEC6257BA_zpskyjusvmu.jpg)
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Thanks JoeyGS. Those are valid points.
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Hi Gino ..... I used the CHR70.3 - Champagne and Silver color combination. Their are both the same drivers.
If ever you would go for the same enclosure, birch ply (19mm) is preferred so that you would not worry on the wall resonance. Of course, panel thickness is also critical. If you are to use ordinary plywood or thinner thickness, you will be using a lot of damping material (apart from the stuffing material) and also internal bracing will have to be added. So using inferior plywood quality may give you savings up front but cost of damping and bracing will be added, negating the perceived savings.
The Pensil enclosure that I have used was supposed to be a very simple build. Using the right wood will really make it simple. In my case, using birch ply, I just added stuffing and its done.
Sir, saan nakakabili ng birch plywood dito?
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I have no idea .... maybe timber715 can help you.
Sir, saan nakakabili ng birch plywood dito?
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Kaya pala kulay gatas, gawa sa Birch Tree.
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Sarap kaya ng Birch Tree... ;D
As always, enjoyed a tour of Timb's drawers... may pabaon pa... 8)
Yehey!
Baka puwedeng lagyan "timber715" signature yan.....
Swerte yan baka Devilbiss spray gun pa gamitin ni brader Timber... smoothness yan pag natapos... ;)
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Pang Transport Show noong araw. Alala ko classmate ko pag magdetail bulak ang gamit.
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Pang Transport Show noong araw. Alala ko classmate ko pag magdetail bulak ang gamit.
may 3000 grit yan si Timbs... pang polishing talaga... 8)
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lalo pang gaganda yung napakaganda na ngang enclosure ni sir JoeyGS, malamang madulas na ang langaw dyan pag dumapo :D
share lang, surprised to see this in the mail today, ang shipping address nilagay ko sa Singapore, pinadala sa billing address. sabi ng kasama namin sa bahay siningil daw sya ng 50 pesos ng taga-post office na nag-deliver.
Tubes & coupling caps for my diy tube amp project to be paired with my MA speakers.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2844/12989693113_d0d4d812e9_c.jpg)
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I am surprised your mailman delivered parcels. Usually for pickup ang ganyan. P50 is standard documentation fee when you get a mail notice.
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Sir, may I know the reason why you are thinking of using 2 pairs of drivers?
may nagpaparating ba ng MA dito? Feasible din ba yung similar config as JoeyGS but will instead use Alpair 10M Gold and Alpair 12P? or better kung parehong 10M?
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Oo nga e, naisip ko tuloy pwede na pala na ideretso dito yung mga inorder ko from mouser.com, pero baka pina-buwena mano lang ako ng post office then next time yari na ;D
I am surprised your mailman delivered parcels. Usually for pickup ang ganyan. P50 is standard documentation fee when you get a mail notice.
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Sir, may I know the reason why you are thinking of using 2 pairs of drivers?
experiment lang. :)
meron na kasi ako AN FR na single driver. try ko naman dual driver. Or pwede din kaya passive radiator yung isa? pag di maganda result, balik na lang sa single driver design.
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Sometimes I get parcels delivered to my house too. Rarely. These are items that they deem not worth taxing and come in flat packs. so for small items, have vendor ship in a padded mailer envelope.
They don't do this regularly. Only when they feel like it.
The QC post office had been revamped lately. The items were assigned to different claim windows. Separate yung to be taxed sa hindi.
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I got news from the pensil enclosure designer that they in the process of drawing up a dual driver configuration for the chr70.3. I would strongly suggest to follow properly designed enclosures. Please take time to read at diyaudio forums and check out the MA enclosures at frugal-phile.com. If you follow their designs you will be able to optimize the driver performance as intended by Mark Audio.
may nagpaparating ba ng MA dito? Feasible din ba yung similar config as JoeyGS but will instead use Alpair 10M Gold and Alpair 12P? or better kung parehong 10M?
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Meron akong na-encounter before na box design with dual Alpair 10.2 (not the new 10.3), the twin mar-ken10.2. di ko sure kung pwede sa 10.3.
(http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attachments/markaudio/402658d1393553315-twin-alpair-7s-studio-monitor-build-twin-mar-ken102-extents.png)
ang ganda nito if it will be well executed, may be difficult to DIY for a newbie pero for sure kayang kaya ng mga masters...*cough* timber! *cough* ;)
experiment lang. :)
meron na kasi ako AN FR na single driver. try ko naman dual driver. Or pwede din kaya passive radiator yung isa? pag di maganda result, balik na lang sa single driver design.
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You can pm Scott at diyaudio to confirm Alpair 10.3 into an Alpair 10.2 box.
Hear is one thread that Scott provided an advise:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/252321-what-do-i-do-now-two-dead-10-2s.html#post3843307 (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/252321-what-do-i-do-now-two-dead-10-2s.html#post3843307)
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1st stage sanding na ulit.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/68F7D6B8-03D4-4D3E-B52D-453F1021A2DF_zpsd9wkxzjn.jpg)
Next week glaze muna yung mga imperfections pa rin....
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Ganda ng design Deist, fully braced pa!
Bakit kaya gising pa si joeygs?
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Fan ako ni Jean Claude Van Damme kaya gising pa ako
Ganda ng design Deist, fully braced pa!
Bakit kaya gising pa si joeygs?
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Fan ako ni Jean Claude Van Damme kaya gising pa ako
Nanonood ka ng speaker wires brader? Kamusta naman?
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Taphsin ko muna ang panonood.......
Nanonood ka ng speaker wires brader? Kamusta naman?
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Hehehehe... Ang saya no? Enjoy!
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Any saya saya!
Hehehehe... Ang saya no? Enjoy!
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Any saya saya!
Di ka natulog?! Hahahahah
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Siyempre natulog din. Pero masarap ang tulog ;D
Di ka natulog?! Hahahahah
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Aba pareho pala kayon nag-score ng Van Damme. Besties ah he he.
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Aba pareho pala kayon nag-score ng Van Damme. Besties ah he he.
Oo, sinubukan ko kasi yung mas makapal na wires eh though dati na ko naka van damme. Were so happy, I just might order a spool.... Hehehehe
Sorry ot na....
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After a month my enclosures are done & have been gathering dust in my office for a couple of weeks until I was able to find time to put it together last weekend. I've been busy with work lately & my family did some volunteer work in Villamor the past 2 weekends for the victims of Yolanda.
I inquired from known enclosure fabricators here in the forum but due to sked conflict & time constraint I just decided to ask my suking karpintero to build them for me. He doesn't have any experience fabricating speaker boxes so it took us more than a few back & forth discussions...ganun pala talaga kapag parehong first time ;D
So after some issues with plywood finishing, sizes of wood available around etc. I decided to go the engineered solid wood route. The finish is still rough, we just applied varnish and that's it. Ipaayos ko na lang finishing pag may time na. Below is the built pic:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2863/11414879166_4f8840a669_c.jpg)
These are Mark Audio Alpair 10P Gen 1 drivers on Pensil enclosures. How does it sound?...Well, I promised myself to be objective about giving my listening impressions & not let my excitement get in the way.
I've only been in the audio hobby for 2 years now, I don't have many gear as I like it simple & don't want to spend a fortune on this hobby, my priorities with family outweigh any hobby but I like to think I know a good sounding audio setup when I hear one.
My objective for this build is to produce a pair of speakers with very good to excellent midrange as I find myself listening to a lot of jazz, acoustic, neo-classical/classical music lately (ganun yata talaga ang tumatanda ;)) It is also the reason why I chose the paper cone drivers. I opted for the pensils because they are front firing & doesn't require much space from the wall, they will be put in a smallish 16sq/m room. Let me tell you these drivers doesn't disappoint and something tells me they will sound better after a couple of hundred hours.
I'm still listening at low to moderate levels per recommendation of the manufacturer and I can already tell that these are smooth sounding speakers with a lot of detail. I also noticed that there isn't much difference or no difference at all when listening on axis vs. off-axis(20-30degrees). Listening late at night when everything is quiet made me hear details in songs I never knew were there before. I've been listening to speakers with tweeters as far as I can remember but I'm not missing them on these pair. The low end is still inconclusive at this point since it is not recommended to listen to heavy bass sounding music until the burn in period is done but I can hear coherent low end on jazz materials. Piano, in my observation is what most speakers I've heard are having problems in terms of producing natural sound and in these speakers I'm hearing the most natural sounding piano timbre on my system.
So are these the best sounding speakers I've heard?
NO. go to a hi-fi show & you will hear better sound but the price difference is heaven & earth. And these speakers can give them a run for their money ;)
Are these the best sounding speakers I have owned?
YES, as mentioned I don't own many but these are the best sounding speakers I can afford or willing to spend on.
Would I recommend this to others?
YES, but it's not for everyone.
I am loving the DIY route, the first time I hooked them up was like the when the bulb started glowing up in my first science project when they made us light a bulb using batteries in parallel/series circuit ;D Now, on to my next DIY project...a tube amp, will probably get a kit for newbies like me and hopefully I won't blow our house to dust ;)
Another pic:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7405/11414873195_4660ac09b4_c.jpg)
How thick is the engineered wood from Pateco, is it the one they sell as 1" but actually is less than 3/4"? Thanks. :)
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Yes, that's it. The one they say for counter top. Thickness is 19mm.
How thick is the engineered wood from Pateco, is it the one they sell as 1" but actually is less than 3/4"? Thanks. :)
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Yes, that's it. The one they say for counter top. Thickness is 19mm.
Thanks, I have been buying that finger jointed wood from them for my shelving and drawer projects, but I don't think they make it wider than 12".
Have you noticed any resonance? Did you brace your speaker cabinets?
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Hey Alex........ Deist place is near our place. Maybe you can check out with him for a listen.
Thanks, I have been buying that finger jointed wood from them for my shelving and drawer projects, but I don't think they make it wider than 12".
Have you noticed any resonance? Did you brace your speaker cabinets?
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You guys from the South?
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Yes Gino .... Paseo de Sta. Rosa / Nuvali area
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I notice some resonance when playing in loud volume, no bracing yet I'm thinking if I need them as the box designer says it is optional. Will experiment lining the walls with some wool felt, hopefully will make the enclosures dead silent, wala lang akong mahanap na wool felt or equivalent locally.
I've been reading about enclosure resonance, why some speaker manufacturers use thin walls with some resonance, apparently it adds "warmth" or "brilliance" to the sound, it adds color. While resonant free enclosures are more transparent. A matter of preference.
Thanks, I have been buying that finger jointed wood from them for my shelving and drawer projects, but I don't think they make it wider than 12".
Have you noticed any resonance? Did you brace your speaker cabinets?
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Sir Joey, umuwi na ba sayo yung enclosures from sir timber?
Hey Alex........ Deist place is near our place. Maybe you can check out with him for a listen.
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Try using materials similar to "Dynamat" to deaden the walls but you still need to provide the polyfill lining to eliminate or control the wall reflections. But compute first the cost of the "dynamat" as compared with adding bracing.
I notice some resonance when playing in loud volume, no bracing yet I'm thinking if I need them as the box designer says it is optional. Will experiment lining the walls with some wool felt, hopefully will make the enclosures dead silent, wala lang akong mahanap na wool felt or equivalent locally.
I've been reading about enclosure resonance, why some speaker manufacturers use thin walls with some resonance, apparently it adds "warmth" or "brilliance" to the sound, it adds color. While resonant free enclosures are more transparent. A matter of preference.
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Not yet. Nasa finishing pa.
Sir Joey, umuwi na ba sayo yung enclosures from sir timber?
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Not yet. Nasa finishing pa.
Just tinished spraying now and waiting to dry... When all is well tomorrow it gets its top coat... If all goes well.....
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Alright! Thanks for the update.....
Just tinished spraying now and waiting to dry... When all is well tomorrow it gets its top coat... If all goes well.....
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Just tinished spraying now and waiting to dry... When all is well tomorrow it gets its top coat... If all goes well.....
IME, usually, it doesn't... >:D
Alright! Thanks for the update.....
Ibig sabihin nun matagal pa... ;D
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KJ! >:(
IME, usually, it doesn't... >:D
Ibig sabihin nun matagal pa... ;D
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IME, usually, it doesn't... >:D
Ibig sabihin nun matagal pa... ;D
KJ! >:(
Inunahan ko na brader. Checked and lightly sanded the enclosures and it seems we just escaped the curse of the jojo ^-^
Bukas I first need to find a clean space to spray the final coat, sayang lang kasi kung magiging airport ng insects.... :o
Btw, punta ka sa thread ko, may group buy kami na powertool na sigurong magugustuhan ninyo ni jojo >:D
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Inunahan ko na brader. Checked and lightly sanded the enclosures and it seems we just escaped the curse of the jojo ^-^
Bukas I first need to find a clean space to spray the final coat, sayang lang kasi kung magiging airport ng insects.... :o
Btw, punta ka sa thread ko, may group buy kami na powertool na sigurong magugustuhan ninyo ni jojo >:D
Kahit magkulambo pa brader may dadapo pa din diyan... >:D
KJ! >:(
Reality yan... yun tipong ingat na ingat ka tapos may dadapo na insect. :D :D :D
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Kahit magkulambo pa brader may dadapo pa din diyan... >:D
Reality yan... yun tipong ingat na ingat ka tapos may dadapo na insect. :D :D :D
Hehehehe....
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Kailangan ko na talagang bumisita sa'yo :)
Not yet. Nasa finishing pa.
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Finally met earlier today mr ironman himself - Edrel Sison. Picked up the PT, OPTs, choke & motor run caps from him. Nice meeting you bro. Till next time for the other stuff.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2844/13266358393_a7922e4e2d_z.jpg)
Solid ang bigat nito! these would need a very sturdy enclosure ;D
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Ironman, ha ha, solid nickname for Edrel. Looks like a nice project you have there.
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Thanks bro! He makes some of the best traffos in the land, I guess Ironman would suit well ;)
This project is a SE EL34/6L6/KT88 tube amp, approx. will give 10-14watts-UL & 5-8watts-Triode. I'm looking for someone to collaborate with and build a wooden enclosure for this, I prefer hard wood like narra...
*cough* timber! *cough*
may pesteng ahem ;D
Ironman, ha ha, solid nickname for Edrel. Looks like a nice project you have there.
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Thanks bro! He makes some of the best traffos in the land, I guess Ironman would suit well ;)
This project is a SE EL34/6L6/KT88 tube amp, approx. will give 10-14watts-UL & 5-8watts-Triode. I'm looking for someone to collaborate with and build a wooden enclosure for this, I prefer hard wood like narra...
*cough* timber! *cough*
may pesteng ahem ;D
Narra is very hard to acquire brader, it is either very expensive or too young (cut earlier than needed) bec it is illegal. Though I have several pieces in my stock, send me dimensions....
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There is dau and molave up going towards tagaytay. But the challenge is to get the oldest batch
Thanks bro! He makes some of the best traffos in the land, I guess Ironman would suit well ;)
This project is a SE EL34/6L6/KT88 tube amp, approx. will give 10-14watts-UL & 5-8watts-Triode. I'm looking for someone to collaborate with and build a wooden enclosure for this, I prefer hard wood like narra...
*cough* timber! *cough*
may pesteng ahem ;D
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There is dau and molave up going towards tagaytay. But the challenge is to get the oldest batch
Or making sure it is dry... Kung ako, I like to make one out of walnut or walnut-maple combo.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/C6F1B7BB-5DDD-4FB6-9850-E035129A2E6D_zpsyf33b7lf.jpg)
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Right! Would also support timber's recommendation. Mas stable and guaranteed dry
Or making sure it is dry... Kung ako, I like to make one out of walnut or walnut-maple combo.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/C6F1B7BB-5DDD-4FB6-9850-E035129A2E6D_zpsyf33b7lf.jpg)
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There is also laser cutting service in Kamias if you want to put some etching on the walnut. You can supply outline friendly file image. Coordination lang kay Timber. This wood really reminds me of fine rifles. Kung kaya checkering that will be awesome (if one likes guns he he.)
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Eto Joey konting update...
Almost avoided the jojo curse ^-^ pero had to make minor touch up before I started the top coat.
Started by preparing the space, then making sure that it was clean. First two coats went in fast.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/52070765-0C20-4166-B41A-28F60898432C_zpsdxz19nas.jpg)
Then a 3rh and 4th coat went in.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/1A75527D-57AD-4201-8A59-CF6D66C1661F_zpszshzbcn4.jpg)
Dami pa ring imperfections, but without a dedicated booth that is expected.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/1358D334-BCB1-456F-BDE6-02D2D6617800_zpsk8svossk.jpg)
Not an issue anyway as most of the topcoat will be sanded flush
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/BC688CAA-D9A7-4202-A9E6-44CCD1626B43_zpsrgu6sbqz.jpg)
But that happens after two days pa, so its time for me to rest till next week.... ^-^
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Alright! Thanks for the update. Getting there......
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Ang tindi ng process ng speakers mo. You have this blog pa to show people how they came to be. Iyan ang priceless.
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PM'ed you brader timber...walnut-maple combo with dovetails, pwede! 8)
Or making sure it is dry... Kung ako, I like to make one out of walnut or walnut-maple combo.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/C6F1B7BB-5DDD-4FB6-9850-E035129A2E6D_zpsyf33b7lf.jpg)
thanks for the suggestions guys, appreciate your input ;)
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This will be another classic build. Deist are you personally going to build the amp?
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Yes bro. I am personally building the amp. susubok ang isang walang background sa electronics-acounting major na magbuo ng high voltage hifi amp...hmm, sounds like a recipe for disaster ;D
This will be another classic build. Deist are you personally going to build the amp?
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That will be fun. I too have no electronics background apart from childhood and RC tinkering.
I built a headphone tube amp from a kit. ArnoldC was thoughtful enough to make a paint by numbers like assembly manual.
Just be wary of the potential of fully charged capacitors and how to handle them safely. Lastly, let a seasoned expert review your work and power it up the first time.
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Eto Joey konting update...
Almost avoided the jojo curse ^-^ pero had to make minor touch up before I started the top coat.
Started by preparing the space, then making sure that it was clean. First two coats went in fast.
Then a 3rh and 4th coat went in.
Dami pa ring imperfections, but without a dedicated booth that is expected.
Not an issue anyway as most of the topcoat will be sanded flush
But that happens after two days pa, so its time for me to rest till next week.... ^-^
Sabi ko na kasi eh... inevitable yan... dun pa sa final coat dadapo yun insect diyan... >:D
Tapos yun tipong pipilitin pa maglakad nun insect... or hihingi ng tulong sa ibang insects... ouch! >:D >:D >:D
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Alright! Thanks for the update. Getting there......
After Holy Week pa daw matatapos... :P
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Bwahahaha, hayop ka manakot. Sunod-sunod pa. Pero seriously, bummer kung hindi umabot ng Holyweek he he. Pressure, pressure.
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Ok lang yun ..... am not in a hurry naman..... Maggie is keeping me company :P
At saka gagawin pa yung footers niyan ^-^
After Holy Week pa daw matatapos... :P
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Sa tingin ko dinedelay lang ni Jojo yan. Kasi pag nagawa na kailangan na siya pumasyal sa Sta. Rosa
Bwahahaha, hayop ka manakot. Sunod-sunod pa. Pero seriously, bummer kung hindi umabot ng Holyweek he he. Pressure, pressure.
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Bwahahaha, hayop ka manakot. Sunod-sunod pa. Pero seriously, bummer kung hindi umabot ng Holyweek he he. Pressure, pressure.
Reality yan eh, ewan ko ba sa mga insects na yan ang gusto landing area yun makinis, makintab at malagkit... yun tipong matutuyo na sabay dadapo... >:D
Ok lang yun ..... am not in a hurry naman..... Maggie is keeping me company :P
At saka gagawin pa yung footers niyan ^-^
Classic denial stage... ;D
Kunyari ok lang take your time pero tanong ng tanong ng update... hahaha ;D
Sa tingin ko dinedelay lang ni Jojo yan. Kasi pag nagawa na kailangan na siya pumasyal sa Sta. Rosa
Kung rootbeer float pwede before Holy Week pero pag may kasamang lechon na eh after Holy Week na matatapos ni Timbs yan! >:D
;D ;D ;D
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If i know mas preferred mo ma-delay para may lechon! Call ako diyan ha...... Promise!
Reality yan eh, ewan ko ba sa mga insects na yan ang gusto landing area yun makinis, makintab at malagkit... yun tipong matutuyo na sabay dadapo... >:D
Classic denial stage... ;D
Kunyari ok lang take your time pero tanong ng tanong ng update... hahaha ;D
Kung rootbeer float pwede before Holy Week pero pag may kasamang lechon na eh after Holy Week na matatapos ni Timbs yan! >:D
;D ;D ;D
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Alam nung dumapo kung kanino yung speakers...after landing sinulat nya letter "J"... Tapos yung barkada nya naman yung tuldok sa taas ng J.... Huhuhu
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Finally met earlier today mr ironman himself - Edrel Sison. Picked up the PT, OPTs, choke & motor run caps from him. Nice meeting you bro. Till next time for the other stuff.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2844/13266358393_a7922e4e2d_z.jpg)
Solid ang bigat nito! these would need a very sturdy enclosure ;D
nice meeting you deist! you should be able to complete the build mid april i suppose.
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Those are really delicious irons you made Edrel. Ang kikinis.
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thanks Gino. i hope to hear them one of these days on deist's place match with his alpairs.
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Mag audio pilgrimage ka na dito sa sta. Rosa. Kung ma-timing punta rin si jojod.
thanks Gino. i hope to hear them one of these days on deist's place match with his alpairs.
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I do too. I will be watching this build. Edrel-Deist-Timber collaboration. Wow. Did I miss anybody?
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Napaka academic naman yang mga insect na yan....
Alam nung dumapo kung kanino yung speakers...after landing sinulat nya letter "J"... Tapos yung barkada nya naman yung tuldok sa taas ng J.... Huhuhu
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i will joey. let me know when is your next session.
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Most likely mid to end of April, isisingit lang sa sked pangtanggal ng stress (or pampadagdag ;D).
nice meeting you deist! you should be able to complete the build mid april i suppose.
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Pasyal kayo Sta. Rosa,marami-raming pit stop dito. JoeyGS audio room alone worth the travel na ;)
I do too. I will be watching this build. Edrel-Deist-Timber collaboration. Wow. Did I miss anybody?
thanks Gino. i hope to hear them one of these days on deist's place match with his alpairs.
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How far are you guys from Nuvali?
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If i know mas preferred mo ma-delay para may lechon! Call ako diyan ha...... Promise!
Yun yun eh! >:D
Alam nung dumapo kung kanino yung speakers...after landing sinulat nya letter "J"... Tapos yung barkada nya naman yung tuldok sa taas ng J.... Huhuhu
Ah mga vandal insects yan Timbs! May mga ganyan na din ako na-experience dati, ang ginawa ko pinabayaan ko lang sila para mabuo yun pangalan na sinusulat... tapos nilagyan ko ng tsek! :D
Those are really delicious irons you made Edrel. Ang kikinis.
Si Edrel pa, automatic na yan. ;)
I do too. I will be watching this build. Edrel-Deist-Timber collaboration. Wow. Did I miss anybody?
You forgot the insects bro! :P
Tamang kulit ako ah... O0
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Aba, malapit na pala birthday ah...... Lechon time na!
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Our house is 5 minute drive from NuVali, halos ganun din sa case ni JoeyGS.
How far are you guys from Nuvali?
Yes, crucial ang role ng insects ;)
You forgot the insects bro! :P
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Got the chance to start sanding, polishing and cleaning the enclosures.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/98EA9AB3-C615-458C-A09E-8A311CC970B3_zpsgf6qzn67.jpg)
Di na makakalanding mga insects dito.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/91D72E0A-912B-4905-81DE-F044049B7C47_zpshwzuhrzz.jpg)
Then started cutting some mahogany for the base.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/03215044-1228-4CFE-87C1-B513BE2F850C_zpsmrklnlay.jpg)
The short piece gets reduced
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/A339B740-975C-4697-97B7-3DB9F758C89D_zpskt8ryvor.jpg)
Then it is split in half.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/A9DDDEAF-14A5-4F23-8F98-6FA95B500B94_zpsjnbmqien.jpg)
With a day of rain, it stops me from doing anything else...
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Mind boggling. How do you split a board that is relatively thin?
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With a day of rain, it stops me from doing anything else...
Sabi ko na kasi eh! Kung hindi insects, rain naman ang magpapatagal sa finishing... ;D
Nakasimangot na siguro si brader JoeyGS hahaha! ;D ;D ;D
Mind boggling. How do you split a board that is relatively thin?
Antay natin sagot bro, dati kasi tinanong ko yan ang sagot sa akin "so many ways to skin a cat" eh kahoy ang tinatanong ko di naman pusa... >:D
PS: Sensiya na ayaw pa maubos ng kulit ko... :P
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Mind boggling. How do you split a board that is relatively thin?
With a bandsaw brader...
http://youtu.be/DQLmHrQ71Gw
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That is some serious machine.
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That is some serious machine.
Seriously expensive... Huhuhu. But a very nice tool to have indeed.
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Finally the rain abated... Time to resume what can be done.
The long board goes in
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/D684D570-2D8D-4D81-B911-B9A6E148C2C5_zpsqoawemcj.jpg)
Then comes out
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/ED056AB0-91E7-41D3-A8BE-B7495A023CE8_zpscgpexnqq.jpg)
All boards went in including the short ones, which was cut to close to the shape of the speaker and then fastened using 4 screws.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/2BC7A08E-42A2-465E-9B21-000A73ED9CA0_zpstvgwisda.jpg)
I then added tape to prevent any scratches from happening as the flush trim router bit hits the sides.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/FCA6A7D7-73F6-44F5-BC00-894C0E29B1F3_zpsx9kiqze9.jpg)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/9CFF5055-F1D2-4801-B312-639EC52136AF_zpsvb8jn7fe.jpg)
Trimed and rounded over, it gets waxed and reinstalled.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/8D58AD92-ECF1-4DA6-AB23-ABB2D12D4A55_zpsl9conrty.jpg)
Waiting for the feet then it gets delivered... Picked up pala. Heheheh
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/99A0E542-7BDF-4D7D-8667-DCB3B05E40E0_zpszw7pndnr.jpg)
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Malapit naaaaaaaa..... ^-^
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Got the feet squared, shaped and waxed and then installed...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/EDA3F0C3-0058-4DAF-9ECC-9DAB5F6C3E14_zps9oalrm3x.jpg)
Adding the last pieces...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/F9A97B82-5543-46BB-B1A4-91B6DBC9C152_zpsg9sp0yxk.jpg)
Ready for pick up na!
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Great build from our Master Carpenter! Thanks timber!
Hope you have your signature in there ....... Can't wait to pick it up. ;D
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Bow to the master.
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nice plinths, eksakto lang ang size JoeyGS ;)
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Very nice build. ;D Congrats to both owner and builder. ;)
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Finally the rain abated... Time to resume what can be done.
The long board goes in
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/D684D570-2D8D-4D81-B911-B9A6E148C2C5_zpsqoawemcj.jpg)
Then comes out
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/ED056AB0-91E7-41D3-A8BE-B7495A023CE8_zpscgpexnqq.jpg)
All boards went in including the short ones, which was cut to close to the shape of the speaker and then fastened using 4 screws.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/2BC7A08E-42A2-465E-9B21-000A73ED9CA0_zpstvgwisda.jpg)
I then added tape to prevent any scratches from happening as the flush trim router bit hits the sides.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/FCA6A7D7-73F6-44F5-BC00-894C0E29B1F3_zpsx9kiqze9.jpg)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/9CFF5055-F1D2-4801-B312-639EC52136AF_zpsvb8jn7fe.jpg)
Trimed and rounded over, it gets waxed and reinstalled.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/8D58AD92-ECF1-4DA6-AB23-ABB2D12D4A55_zpsl9conrty.jpg)
Waiting for the feet then it gets delivered... Picked up pala. Heheheh
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/99A0E542-7BDF-4D7D-8667-DCB3B05E40E0_zpszw7pndnr.jpg)
wow parang white chocolate with caramel on the edge. ang ganda, ang sarap tignan!
:) :) :)
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Great build from our Master Carpenter! Thanks timber!
Hope you have your signature in there ....... Can't wait to pick it up. ;D
Congrats, tukayo, drooling to hear them sing...;)
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Deist and Narayan ..... Thanks
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Luis ..... That's a sweet way of putting it ... ;D
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O taga saan ka ba tukayo?
Congrats, tukayo, drooling to hear them sing...;)
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Walang pictures?
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Aba napickup na.
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Eh pareho lang naman ..... at di pa naassemble eh .......
At home ......
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7260/13461549964_43a1c1dd3f.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/mvxXP3)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3724/13461539374_85bce69688.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/mvxUEs)
Walang pictures?
Aba napickup na.
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O taga saan ka ba tukayo?
Been to your place years ago brader, got the souped-up A50t, pero nakulam ni brader Cal, in short, sold it for brader Jojo's mono amps & LS (...lucky for us to own one). Maybe one of these days Jojo, Cal & I can hear your wonderful pair in action...
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Oh yes I remember.....
The mono amps and LS are for keeps. Try inserting a tubed buffer between the mono amps and the LS....and hear what happens...
Been to your place years ago brader, got the souped-up A50t, pero nakulam ni brader Cal, in short, sold it for brader Jojo's mono amps & LS (...lucky for us to own one). Maybe one of these days Jojo, Cal & I can hear your wonderful pair in action...
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Pssst! Happy Birthday!
Kaya pala excited na maiuwi agad sa St Rose ang mga kahon para umabot sa celebration... ;)
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Ka birthday mo pala bayaw, sister, nephew, at lolo ko.
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Happy birthday brad....
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... kung alam ko lang ako sana una naka-greet sa iyo sa Aura, Happy Birthday tukayo! Ok ba Atmos cinema nila?
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Salamat sa mga pagbati......
Tukayo ayos ang cinemas..... Maganda estorya ng Captain America
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Guys, just want to share...below is the link to 6moons' Srajan Ebaen's review of Eist Audio's "Dubh" speakers which uses Mark Audio's Alpair drivers.
http://6moons.com/audioreviews2/eist/1.html (http://6moons.com/audioreviews2/eist/1.html)
Even Srajan was impressed with Eist Audio's choice of driver, need I say more? ;)
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Even Srajan was impressed with Eist Audio's driver of choice, need I say more? ;)
...and it's "only" Alpair 7.
thanks sharing.
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Eist Audio's Dubh speakers will retail @ 3,500 british freakin pounds and uses $160 (pair) drivers! :o
Nah, I will just enjoy my sub-$300 build ;D
...and it's "only" Alpair 7.
thanks sharing.
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+1 here
Eist Audio's Dubh speakers will retail @ 3,500 british freakin pounds and uses $160 (pair) drivers! :o
Nah, I will just enjoy my sub-$300 build ;D
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Wala pa shipping and tax he he he.
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Yun pa! hahaha
Wala pa shipping and tax he he he.
But it got me thinking...$160 for a pair of drivers, surely those enclosures wouldn't cost £3,000.00 to manufacture. Either they are very convinced that the speakers sound so good that they can demand the price tag (heck they even got a good review from 6moons/Srajan) or they are totally ripping off the consumers >:D
One thing is for sure: the MA Alpair drivers are good enough to be utilized in high end hi-fi speakers O0
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In some respects the price is in itself the added value. Welcome to the world of monetary luxury.
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ka-ching! ignorance is bliss!
In some respects the price is in itself the added value. Welcome to the world of monetary luxury.
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Eist Audio's Dubh speakers will retail @ 3,500 british freakin pounds and uses $160 (pair) drivers! :o
Nah, I will just enjoy my sub-$300 build ;D
(http://6moons.com/audioreviews2/eist/1.jpg)
simple design...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1898124_752845741407059_1359658575_n.jpg)
konting hilamos na lang.. di na rin nalalayo.
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Eist Audio's Dubh speakers will retail @ 3,500 british freakin pounds and uses $160 (pair) drivers! :o
Nah, I will just enjoy my sub-$300 build ;D
there are those who believe that cheaply priced items are of low quality....
and that these speakers must be priced as such to convey to the buyer that
it is high end......you may be surprised, maraming kumakagat sa ganyang price....
to them that price is peanuts...... :D
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Didn't Eist mention that they smoothened the frequency response of the driver thru filtering? They also must have designed the box to optimize the potential of the drivers. Technical engineering must have been implemented to make it sound excellent. Sometimes it's not only the physical aspect that merits value in a product. The technical effort put into the product that makes it superior should be given proper credit.
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Didn't Eist mention that they smoothened the frequency response of the driver thru filtering? They also must have designed the box to optimize the potential of the drivers. Technical engineering must have been implemented to make it sound excellent. Sometimes it's not only the physical aspect that merits value in a product. The technical effort put into the product that makes it superior should be given proper credit.
Very nicely said, what is hidden is the time and materials they wasted to get to the said design, couple it with the education they got to have the expertise to pull it off....
We at the otherhand have the luxury of having people willing to share plans on how to build them less the stress and expense...
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I agree that technical effort is what makes a product superior but we are talking about a single 4" wideband driver in a folded horn enclosure, the sound signature is always reliant to the driver. If it was a multi-way system I would think twice about commenting on the price, it is difficult to achieve synergy between different types of drivers in a single enclosure and create a linear phase then make it sound excellent...But I am not bashing the product, I am clueless as to how they sound, I am only commenting on the price.
I also wonder about the filtering they used: notch filter or band filter? zobel maybe? it can even be done digitally nowadays with miniDSP. The past couple of years I have literally browsed & read hundreds of speaker builds in different implementations over at DIYaudio and to tell you frankly more than a few are better looking & more compelling than the dubh, and they also come with frequency response graphs to support. In Srajan's conclusion he said: highly layered depth staging, high transient precision, very good off axis behavior, highly developed intelligibility and clarity. Not exactly as flowery as those words but isn't it the same as my findings with my 10Ps?
You'd think that I say too much and ask if I can build better speakers than the dubh, the answer is NO. I am just a hobbyist who recently took the plunge in the scary waters of DIY and slowly finding out what's going on with those little things inside the enclosure of a hi-fi audio product. And that it's more than just reading the BS in the brochures, spec sheets, and blabbering of the tacky sales rep who more often than not doesn't know enough about what he is selling.
What I see here is the difference in the driving force behind a build, the main motivation of a consumer product manufacturer will always be profit. The higher the mark-up they can get away with, the better. while a DIYer does it for the love,fun & frustration of it. He wants to learn, he is developing a passion for it. He wants to share his knowledge with his friends or others in the same hobby. Maybe it's his way to unwind, to escape from the everyday boring routine or he simply have too much time in his hands. Maybe he wants to do projects so he can stay out of trouble, like gambling, drinking, even girls, wife & kids would be happier :D
Whatever the reason is, the bottom line is he wants to be productive, to build something, to stare at it at the end of the day like it's a trophy. The same way a well off person would stare at his £3,500.00 pair of speakers and say I've worked my @$$ off to pay for it ;)
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Kanya kanya lang siguro..
Others are passionate about DIY and bang-for-buck, while others just have the money to spend and experiment and at the same time don't have the time or skills or effort to try to DIY.
But all said... I'm still with sir deist's side hehehe. Mabuhay DIY :)
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fair price is all about the price the buyer is happy to pay and the seller is willing to sell...
15 years in the semiconductor industry, i know that we try to keep our unit costs (direct material and direct labor) down to about U$0.10 and sell products in the $10 to 100 dollar range...this is economics and market forces play a big role...
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What I see here is the difference in the driving force behind a build, the main motivation of a consumer product manufacturer will always be profit. The higher the mark-up they can get away with, the better. while a DIYer does it for the love,fun & frustration of it. He wants to learn, he is developing a passion for it. He wants to share his knowledge with his friends or others in the same hobby. Maybe it's his way to unwind, to escape from the everyday boring routine or he simply have too much time in his hands. Maybe he wants to do projects so he can stay out of trouble, like gambling, drinking, even girls, wife & kids would be happier :D
Whatever the reason is, the bottom line is he wants to be productive, to build something, to stare at it at the end of the day like it's a trophy. The same way a well off person would stare at his £3,500.00 pair of speakers and say I've worked my @$$ off to pay for it ;)
Very well said sir deist... ;D
If you're into DIY talagang magastos, may kasamang pagod at kakain pa ng maraming oras, isama mo pa diyan ang wife if she gives the support you need.
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Do you guys know of any individual who can make this kind of woodworks for my Mark Audio Alpair 7? :)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NVQujPOPx2c/TFofhycMvQI/AAAAAAAARyM/2FgDJzMN8bQ/s400/C-Horn_d.gif)
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Do you guys know of any individual who can make this kind of woodworks for my Mark Audio Alpair 7? :)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NVQujPOPx2c/TFofhycMvQI/AAAAAAAARyM/2FgDJzMN8bQ/s400/C-Horn_d.gif)
Tingin ko kaya ni Trod yan. It looks simple naman. Problem lang diyan is yun tinted plastic walls. Dapat polycarbonate ang gamitin diyan.
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Do you guys know of any individual who can make this kind of woodworks for my Mark Audio Alpair 7? :)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NVQujPOPx2c/TFofhycMvQI/AAAAAAAARyM/2FgDJzMN8bQ/s400/C-Horn_d.gif)
Do you have the drawings for it? Preferably to size para mas accurate...
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Do you have the drawings for it? Preferably to size para mas accurate...
Ayan nga pala si master timberman!
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I think that is up timber's alley. There is probably no better man for that super project.
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Tingin ko kaya ni Trod yan. It looks simple naman. Problem lang diyan is yun tinted plastic walls. Dapat polycarbonate ang gamitin diyan.
Nelson, i think the sidings and base is thick acrylic plates. Sonny will look for the dimensions. Parang unusual transmission line design siya with alternating dark and light colored wood:)
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Sabi nga to each his own, basta pare-pareho naman ng goal - to enjoy music ;) I agree, with DIY most likely you end up mas napamahal pa kesa buying off the shelf but one reason for that is you want to use quality parts & materials. For me iba lang ang fulfillment when finishing a DIY project.
I don't know any woman who wouldn't support DIY, the trick is you do some DIY projects for the house as well and involve her in the process, let her think it was her idea. Para-paraan lang din ;D
Cheers!
Very well said sir deist... ;D
If you're into DIY talagang magastos, may kasamang pagod at kakain pa ng maraming oras, isama mo pa diyan ang wife if she gives the support you need.
Kanya kanya lang siguro..
Others are passionate about DIY and bang-for-buck, while others just have the money to spend and experiment and at the same time don't have the time or skills or effort to try to DIY.
But all said... I'm still with sir deist's side hehehe. Mabuhay DIY :)
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A very aspirational project. I like the see through sides showing the TLs. Looking forward to updates on this build.
Do you guys know of any individual who can make this kind of woodworks for my Mark Audio Alpair 7? :)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NVQujPOPx2c/TFofhycMvQI/AAAAAAAARyM/2FgDJzMN8bQ/s400/C-Horn_d.gif)
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this Nelson Pass design is something to think about.... ;)
(https://www.passdiy.com/projects/images/content/kleinhorn2_2.png)
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Nelson, i think the sidings and base is thick acrylic plates. Sonny will look for the dimensions. Parang unusual transmission line design siya with alternating dark and light colored wood:)
Pwede din thick acrylic. Pero in terms of hardness/stiffness, iba ang polycarbonate kasi gamit siya sa as panangga ng mga riot police.. There are times na nag-shallow cracking ang acrylic (same sa Jeep windows though probably due to sun exposure).
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Assembled the drivers and the stuffings (added 2 more layers of compressed polyfill behind the drivers only to improve articulation of the bass).....and here it is in action.....
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5298/13943893382_c497d2e43e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nfb6GS) (https://flic.kr/p/nfb6GS)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5466/13943798992_9264fd8ba4.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nfaBDs) (https://flic.kr/p/nfaBDs)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7346/13967096163_2796c822e8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nhe25P) (https://flic.kr/p/nhe25P)
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2903/13943961592_3ac08fe5db.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nfbrYU) (https://flic.kr/p/nfbrYU)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5538/13943965811_2f77c7f820.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nfbteD) (https://flic.kr/p/nfbteD)
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ang ganda... congratulations po.... ^-^
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This room is so awesome. Wonderful labors of love in there.
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Thanks!
Have completed an audio chain system (which I thought can't be done) all DIYed with the help of my audio friends and experts in their own fields - from NOS CDROM player, Aikido preamp w/ lightspeed potentiometer, tubed buffers, gainclone monoblocks, Mark Audio Speakers on Pensil enclosure, line conditioners, power noise filters, interconnects, power cables, speaker cables, acoustic panels ....... ^-^ :D 8)
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Yup. You have a system no one can just buy right now and listen to the same day. Congrats. I think your system is worth an audition and a road trip.
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Congratulations,Joey!
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May schedule na ba yung lechon?... Congrats brader, hope to hear those soon.....
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Assembled the drivers and the stuffings (added 2 more layers of compressed polyfill behind the drivers only to improve articulation of the bass).....and here it is in action.....
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5298/13943893382_c497d2e43e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nfb6GS) (https://flic.kr/p/nfb6GS)
Is the top wood for aesthetics only? I'm imagining it without the top wood accent but I guess it compliments the base's wood color.
Congrats!
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Is the top wood for aesthetics only? I'm imagining it without the top wood accent but I guess it compliments the base's wood color.
Congrats!
Well one of the reason I gave it a top piece is bec sometimes we like to put stuff on top of the speakers.... ::) plus yes it complements the base better than without it.... At least in my point of view. ^-^
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One Saturday in May ....... Will check the schedule ...... Hope Jojo is ok and well na....
May schedule na ba yung lechon?... Congrats brader, hope to hear those soon.....
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Agree and placing the top piece is also very useful in protecting the paint finish when the box is carried and handled during stuffing tweaking and room placement activities, edges will also be protected while the box is laid on the floor ....... Very useful indeed and a must for painted finish....
Well one of the reason I gave it a top piece is bec sometimes we like to put stuff on top of the speakers.... ::) plus yes it complements the base better than without it.... At least in my point of view. ^-^
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JoeyGS, BEAUTIFUUUUUUUULLLLL! 8)
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Agree as well, I often come in my office surprised to see something sitting on top of my speakers, desk calendar, stapler, pair of scissors, scotch tape etc. etc. :o
Well one of the reason I gave it a top piece is bec sometimes we like to put stuff on top of the speakers.... ::) plus yes it complements the base better than without it.... At least in my point of view. ^-^
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Assembled the drivers and the stuffings (added 2 more layers of compressed polyfill behind the drivers only to improve articulation of the bass).....and here it is in action.....
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7346/13967096163_2796c822e8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nhe25P) (https://flic.kr/p/nhe25P)
I like the color! Congrats sir Joey. Its been a very interesting audio journey ha.
Hope to hear this some time.
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Napakita na ba kay Mark ang mga ito? They really are something to be proud of.
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Thanks. Kailan ka papasyal sa bahay para mapakinggan natin din ang. Mark Audio mo?
JoeyGS, BEAUTIFUUUUUUUULLLLL! 8)
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Let me know when you are in town ha.
I like the color! Congrats sir Joey. Its been a very interesting audio journey ha.
Hope to hear this some time.
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Yes I have posted them in his forum at DiyAudio.
Napakita na ba kay Mark ang mga ito? They really are something to be proud of.
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Daan ako sa inyo sir one of these days. Naging busy lately, was dragged by balikbayan relatives the past couple of weeks kung saan saan. Natengga din yung tube amp project ko.Text kita sir :)
Thanks. Kailan ka papasyal sa bahay para mapakinggan natin din ang. Mark Audio mo?
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I missed the session the other night, joey! Picture pa lang, alam ko na maganda ang resulta. Congrats again, Amigo!
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Copy that....
Daan ako sa inyo sir one of these days. Naging busy lately, was dragged by balikbayan relatives the past couple of weeks kung saan saan. Natengga din yung tube amp project ko.Text kita sir :)
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Resched na lang natin at pag kasama na sina jojo
I missed the session the other night, joey! Picture pa lang, alam ko na maganda ang resulta. Congrats again, Amigo!
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Kinda OT but this shows another group is using Mark Audio Drivers in their new product ..... please watch:
http://theawesomer.com/unmonday-4-3l-speaker/194369/ (http://theawesomer.com/unmonday-4-3l-speaker/194369/)
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cool product. there's been a surge of hi-fi companies utilizing MA drivers recently. goes to show the capability & versatility of these drivers 8)
Kinda OT but this shows another group is using Mark Audio Drivers in their new product ..... please watch:
http://theawesomer.com/unmonday-4-3l-speaker/194369/ (http://theawesomer.com/unmonday-4-3l-speaker/194369/)
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Stripped the varnish & will apply a new finish soon...hopefully ;D
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7062/13885397300_536a08e30a_b.jpg)
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Nice. What finish are you planning to do with it?
Also, what varnish did you use before? Glossy ba or matte lang?
Did you use wood sealer before the varnish?
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Not decided on the finish yet but leaning towards oil based stain. I will do the refinish next week when I return from Baguio, magmuni-muni sa piling ng mga pine trees and decide on the color ;)
It was a very thin coat of clear lacquer na glossy, a temporary finish sir.
Nice. What finish are you planning to do with it?
Also, what varnish did you use before? Glossy ba or matte lang?
Did you use wood sealer before the varnish?
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After two coats of oil & a lot of elbow grease, here's a phone cam pic. slowly getting there...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7441/14150097304_590caa34d8_c.jpg)
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After two coats of oil & a lot of elbow grease, here's a phone cam pic. slowly getting there...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7441/14150097304_590caa34d8_c.jpg)
Wow very nice! What wood did you use here? Congrats!
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Stripped the varnish & will apply a new finish soon...hopefully ;D
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7062/13885397300_536a08e30a_b.jpg)
Ganda namn ng woodcraftmanship. Pa PM namn saan at magkanu. Thanks.
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Hi sir jen. Wood used is engineered solid wood bought at home depot ;)
Thanks!
Wow very nice! What wood did you use here? Congrats!
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Hi sir. Tag team kami ng suking karpintero (he did cabinets & other wood works in our house). I bought all the materials. He did the wood cutting since i didnt have the right tools. We did the assembly together & im doing the finishing.
Costing: wood = 3.7k, carpenter labor = 2k, other materials = 2k & counting ;D
Ganda namn ng woodcraftmanship. Pa PM namn saan at magkanu. Thanks.
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Costing: wood = 3.7k, carpenter labor = 2k, other materials = 2k & counting ;D
considering the build quality, another bang for the buck speaker cabinet...
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Alright!
Lets hear this when the finishing is completed. I have a t-amp with battery powered power supply. Lets it and see how it goes.
Congratulations on a nice and affordable build!
After two coats of oil & a lot of elbow grease, here's a phone cam pic. slowly getting there...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7441/14150097304_590caa34d8_c.jpg)
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Thanks sir tony.like you im a big proponent of bang for the buck audio items.
considering the build quality, another bang for the buck speaker cabinet...
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Ok sir. Might be a while before we can set the session because pure tung oil takes forever to dry. 2 coatings in 7 days and im planning to do 7 coats hahaha
Alright!
Lets hear this when the finishing is completed. I have a t-amp with battery powered power supply. Lets it and see how it goes.
Congratulations on a nice and affordable build!
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how's the amp build deist?
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Hi sir. Tag team kami ng suking karpintero (he did cabinets & other wood works in our house). I bought all the materials. He did the wood cutting since i didnt have the right tools. We did the assembly together & im doing the finishing.
Costing: wood = 3.7k, carpenter labor = 2k, other materials = 2k & counting ;D
Ang galing boss. Inspiring. :)
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Edrel, haven't started the build. Naging sobrang busy sa family & work lately. You will hear from me soon sir, i need some help with wiring ;D
Thanks!
how's the amp build deist?
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Thanks sir. The build is far from being perfect but it'll do for a first timer like me.
Ang galing boss. Inspiring. :)
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My speakers only need to look good at listening distances. We call that prop level detail ;)
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Well said! :D
My speakers only need to look good at listening distances. We call that prop level detail ;)
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it would be interesting to have a side by side comparison between the nirvana and the mark audio....
my place is big enough for the two.....;) katuwaan lang.... >:D
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it would be interesting to have a side by side comparison between the nirvana and the mark audio....
my place is big enough for the two.....;) katuwaan lang.... >:D
Since we all love Full Range speaker. How about Audio Nirvana Standard 8 only, Mark Audio and Omega FR. No Audio Nirvana Neo. Its just for fun for a true hearted Full ranger. ;D At the end of the day lahat tayo masaya because of one reason. FR Rules......
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Since we all love Full Range speaker. How about Audio Nirvana Standard 8 only, Mark Audio and Omega FR. No Audio Nirvana Neo. Its just for fun for a true hearted Full ranger. ;D At the end of the day lahat tayo masaya because of one reason. FR Rules......
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WOW....
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it would be interesting to have a side by side comparison between the nirvana and the mark audio....
my place is big enough for the two.....;) katuwaan lang.... >:D
magandang katuwaan ito pag natuloy master and camaraderie narin at the same time ng mga full rangers!
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Guys, would love to but I live in the south (Sta.Rosa, Laguna) so lugging it around wouldn't be an easy thing to do plus it's not yet done, i think a few more weeks to finish this as I am just sneaking it in my free time. Thanks!
magandang katuwaan ito pag natuloy master and camaraderie narin at the same time ng mga full rangers!
it would be interesting to have a side by side comparison between the nirvana and the mark audio....
my place is big enough for the two.....;) katuwaan lang.... >:D
Since we all love Full Range speaker. How about Audio Nirvana Standard 8 only, Mark Audio and Omega FR. No Audio Nirvana Neo. Its just for fun for a true hearted Full ranger. ;D At the end of the day lahat tayo masaya because of one reason. FR Rules......
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http://www.cabotacoustics.com
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Wow! Dumadami manufacturers of speakers using Mark Audio Drivers! That only means quality at reasonable pricing!
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53435b70e4b0b65c5355e346/53435c9ee4b0258f115cb4a7/1396923580439/Alpair7%20(1%20of%203).jpg?format=300w)
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53435b70e4b0b65c5355e346/53435ccbe4b0f92a7a68a3f0/1396923624893/Alpair7%20(3%20of%203).jpg?format=750w)
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53435b70e4b0b65c5355e346/53435c1ee4b02233d746463b/1396923456985/f1972800.jpg?format=750w)
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53435b70e4b0b65c5355e346/53435c3ee4b0462745df6a5e/1396923514881/f2145472.jpg?format=750w)
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53435dd0e4b096595170b722/53435e11e4b02bd951e30bff/1396923947122/Alpair7%20(4%20of%204).jpg?format=750w)
http://www.cabotacoustics.com
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Brader timber! Yung stands O!
http://www.cabotacoustics.com
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Timber na Timber ang gawa. Right up your alley and taste.
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The guys behind those beautiful speakers are Paul & Robert Burchell. Frequently sharing their work sa Mark Audio section over at DIYaudio. Below is my favorite from them, they call it "Hurricane" baffles. The story behind the name is; they got the wood from an old elm tree brought down by a hurricane in Virginia and were able to salvage a chunk. Sick grain patterns, just love it.
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53436040e4b089b274b0db70/534360a2e4b02cbd82d5cba8/1396924636456/Elm%20CHR70.jpg)
@timber - brader, yakang yaka mo ganitong worksmanship.
@JoeyGS - 100% agree. Dumadami talaga ang audio companies na gumagamit ng MA drivers, marami pa sa EU na hindi natin nakikita.
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The guys behind those beautiful speakers are Paul & Robert Burchell. Frequently sharing their work sa Mark Audio section over at DIYaudio. Below is my favorite from them, they call it "Hurricane" baffles. The story behind the name is; they got the wood from an old elm tree brought down by a hurricane in Virginia and were able to salvage a chunk. Sick grain patterns, just love it.
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53436040e4b089b274b0db70/534360a2e4b02cbd82d5cba8/1396924636456/Elm%20CHR70.jpg)
@timber - brader, yakang yaka mo ganitong worksmanship.
@JoeyGS - 100% agree. Dumadami talaga ang audio companies na gumagamit ng MA drivers, marami pa sa EU na hindi natin nakikita.
Nice...
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Gawa tayo ng Yolanda baffles .... sa akin driver ...... si timber gagawa ...... sino masusuply ng kahoy from Tacloban?
The guys behind those beautiful speakers are Paul & Robert Burchell. Frequently sharing their work sa Mark Audio section over at DIYaudio. Below is my favorite from them, they call it "Hurricane" baffles. The story behind the name is; they got the wood from an old elm tree brought down by a hurricane in Virginia and were able to salvage a chunk. Sick grain patterns, just love it.
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52e26af9e4b03586404bf370/53436040e4b089b274b0db70/534360a2e4b02cbd82d5cba8/1396924636456/Elm%20CHR70.jpg)
@timber - brader, yakang yaka mo ganitong worksmanship.
@JoeyGS - 100% agree. Dumadami talaga ang audio companies na gumagamit ng MA drivers, marami pa sa EU na hindi natin nakikita.
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Brader timber! Yung stands O!
Similar dun sa ginagamit ko sa speakers ko yan. Open stands... Nakasubok na rin ako ng makapal at mabigat, mas gusto ko yung magaan. Seems mas maganda dynamics with lighter stands kasi, of course dapat walang added resonation.
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Timber na Timber ang gawa. Right up your alley and taste.
Yup, very much what I do and like.
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mga sirs, meron ba physical store na pwede mabilhan ng MA sa SG or through kay Neo lang talaga? I will be attending a conference next week dun kaso wala masyado time to roam around. I am looking at getting the Alpair 12P. Thanks.
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Pwede! haha
Gawa tayo ng Yolanda baffles .... sa akin driver ...... si timber gagawa ...... sino masusuply ng kahoy from Tacloban?
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AFAIK, si Neo lang ang nagbebenta ng MA drivers sa Singapore. Pwede mo naman paki-usapan na i-deliver sa hotel mo, yung sa akin dineliver nya personally sa bahay namin sa SG without extra charge ;)
mga sirs, meron ba physical store na pwede mabilhan ng MA sa SG or through kay Neo lang talaga? I will be attending a conference next week dun kaso wala masyado time to roam around. I am looking at getting the Alpair 12P. Thanks.
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AFAIK, si Neo lang ang nagbebenta ng MA drivers sa Singapore. Pwede mo naman paki-usapan na i-deliver sa hotel mo, yung sa akin dineliver nya personally sa bahay namin sa SG without extra charge ;)
Thanks bro. Nagreply na sya sa email kaso he'll be flying out and wala sya pagdating ko. Medyo mataas pala price ng 12p, kapresyo nya na super 12 na AN cast frame. I already have the super 8 cast frame kasi. Gusto ko din sana masubukan MA.
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Another option is order it from him now & pay via paypal then have it delivered to your hotel. Call the hotel & tell them you are expecting delivery of an item & ask them to store it for safe keeping. I have done this before, more than a few years ago in Disneyland Hotel, Florida. I ordered xbox package which was on sale online & it was kept by the hotel for over a month, paid storage fee of $4 ;)
Thanks bro. Nagreply na sya sa email kaso he'll be flying out and wala sya pagdating ko. Medyo mataas pala price ng 12p, kapresyo nya na super 12 na AN cast frame. I already have the super 8 cast frame kasi. Gusto ko din sana masubukan MA.
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Gawa tayo ng Yolanda baffles .... sa akin driver ...... si timber gagawa ...... sino masusuply ng kahoy from Tacloban?
serioso ka? mag uuwi ako ng hardwood flooring na Yolanda damaged...
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Oo ba!
serioso ka? mag uuwi ako ng hardwood flooring na Yolanda damaged...
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uy! pasali naman mga sir if possible, I will be in SG this december to january and will have a chance to meet up with Neo for some MA drivers :)
Oo ba!
serioso ka? mag uuwi ako ng hardwood flooring na Yolanda damaged...
After six coatings & a considerable amount of elbow grease, here's a crappy phone cam pic:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2899/14109872578_d16a6552f7_c.jpg)
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Looking good!
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Ang ganda deist.
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Thanks JoeyGS & Gino, malapit na to, paa na lang. ;)
Ang ganda deist.
Looking good!
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Congratulations! Very nice!
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Congrat deist! Sulit ang elbow grease. ;)
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Finally, the waiting is over!
I got the drivers from JoeyGS a couple of weeks ago and he referred me to diy_master who built the enclosures - Maraming Salamat, Joey and Anthony, for your help on this!
And now the journey begins...Cheers!
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Ang ganda Mon! Now the break-in starts. Enjoy the break-in period as you will hear the transformation of sound. Enjoy!
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And parinig ha!
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Wala pang break in ang maganda na ang tunog, so really looking forward pag na reach na yung break in period!
Salamat ulit for sharing this new experience...really amazing speakers, lalo na considering the size of the drivers!
Ganda ng boses in Stacey Kent! Mabubuhay ulit yung vinyl and CDs ko! :)
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Factory grade talaga gawa ni Anthony.
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Congrats, Mon! :) sama ako kay Joey ha!
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Kailangan umpisahan anrin yung sa iyo.....
Congrats, Mon! :) sama ako kay Joey ha!
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Guys for your info, alphaomega used Andrea's Shoebox baffle design for his chr-70.3a drivers....
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I have a similar size box which I used when I was trying to destroy a pair of chr70 (1st gen) with a 20W solid state driven into clipping and a 200W version of a honey badger in the hopes of bottoming out the drivers and burn their coils.
Surprisingly, those little buggers can withstand a lot of beatings.
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Kailangan umpisahan anrin yung sa iyo.....
Very soon, brader Joey!:)
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Congrats, Mon! :) sama ako kay Joey ha!
Sure! Kaso nag lang baka SRO tayo...hehe
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Factory grade talaga gawa ni Anthony.
Oo, maganda ang pagkagawa in Anthony, very happy with the result!
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Very soon, brader Joey!:)
Go Cal! :-)
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Beautiful!!!!! congrats sir. Padinig sir, sabay ako kay sir Joey 8)
Sir Joey, set na natin!
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Salamat Sir! Ok yan, problema lang is maliit yung kwarto ko...malamang SRO tayo, hehe... :)
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Ano ang cone diameter nito? As in yung cone mismo?
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For the CHR-70 the actual cone diameter is 70mm. The numbers in MarkAudio drivers' names indicate the diameter of the cone. Alpair 7 = 7cm, Alpair 10 = 10cm & Alpair 12 = 12cm. HTH! 8)
Ano ang cone diameter nito? As in yung cone mismo?
No problem sir. My room is also small. Kahit magkapalit-palit pa tayo ng mukha basta marinig lang & mag-enjoy ;)
Salamat Sir! Ok yan, problema lang is maliit yung kwarto ko...malamang SRO tayo, hehe... :)
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Congrats, Mon! :) sama ako kay Joey ha!
pwede maki tag along din? :)
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pwede maki tag along din? :)
Oks lang Sir...pero talagang nakatayo na lang tayo lahat..haha!
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The new Markaudio CHN-70 driver. Estimated retail price is $25-$30 a piece. Now making waves in Japan, some pics of the driver & builds by Japanese DIYers.
(http://www.fidelitatem-sound.com/CHN70v1/CHN70_2.jpg)
(http://blog.fidelitatem-sound.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/imageCHN70Freq.jpg)
(http://variouskraft.com/a4j-55-jisaku-MarkAudio_CHN-70_Gen1.1-02.jpg)
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Also saw this, very nice starter drivers.
For me, I'm waiting for the Alpair7P (paper) release and reviews. Looks very promising.
Although you can't expect big bass out of it, midrange and highs are to die for.
So many drivers, so little time (and money) :)
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I wonder how the Markaudio CHN-70 compares to the Alpair 6P (an older driver, but higher class; both paper cones)
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@RXV - agree, aimed at DIYers who want to try FR drivers, at half the price of the Alpair 7.3 this is very good to experiment with. The surface mount design of the frame makes for easier build, mas madali magbutas ng baffle ;)
I'm also waiting for feedbacks on the 7P but I already have the 10P so i'm more interested in the Alpair 12PW(woofers) since I'm considering a F.A.S.T. build. One thing is for sure; with the release of several new MA drivers, I know now what I want for christmas ;D
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Mark Fenlon said that the CHN-70 is designed to reproduce neutral/natural sound. More or less a laid back or mellow sound. Bob Brines even said basing on the frequency response of these drivers it will go well with T-amps which naturally produce some harshness at the top.
I wonder how the Markaudio CHN-70 compares to the Alpair 6P (an older driver, but higher class; both paper cones)
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@RXV - agree, aimed at DIYers who want to try FR drivers, at half the price of the Alpair 7.3 this is very good to experiment with. The surface mount design of the frame makes for easier build, mas madali magbutas ng baffle ;)
I'm also waiting for feedbacks on the 7P but I already have the 10P so i'm more interested in the Alpair 12BW(woofers) since I'm considering a F.A.S.T. build. One thing is for sure; with the release of several new MA drivers, I know now what I want for christmas ;D
Yun na rin naisip ko, F.A.S.T. build. Naku gastos na naman yan. At bagong enclosure na naman, hindi ko pa nga tapos yung isa :)
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hahaha correct!!!!
Yun na rin naisip ko, F.A.S.T. build. Naku gastos na naman yan. At bagong enclosure na naman, hindi ko pa nga tapos yung isa :)
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Magandang project ito. Looks like a good candidate for a small bookshelf. Ok din pang Frugel box.
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Oks lang Sir...pero talagang nakatayo na lang tayo lahat..haha!
Ok na sanay na kami mag kandungan :)
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Agreed...swak to pang-computer desktop & casual listening. Pang-hasa na rin ng enclosure building skills :)
Magandang project ito. Looks like a good candidate for a small bookshelf. Ok din pang Frugel box.
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Mababa pala sensitivity. Almost 87db/1w/1m. No can do with my tube amps.
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Mababa pala sensitivity. Almost 87db/1w/1m. No can do with my tube amps.
Kaya naman sir Gino. My Alpair 7 is only 85db sensitivity, ok naman siya for my bedroom use with my 3.5w tubey. But casual/critical listening lang siyempre (at 2 meters away listening distance). But you're right: A beefier amp will be needed for better dynamics.
IMO, recommended for near field/computer desktop listening, especially when paired with a sub for the lows.
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Exactly! Like what I said it will make for a very good computer/desktop speakers for casual listening, you can even pair it with your extra amp idling around like a T-amp, Class D amp & even a Gainclone amp. Tipid sa kuryente & you get to enjoy the MA signature sound.
Kaya naman sir Gino. My Alpair 7 is only 85db sensitivity, ok naman siya for my bedroom use with my 3.5w tubey. But casual/critical listening lang siyempre (at 2 meters away listening distance). But you're right: A beefier amp will be needed for better dynamics.
IMO, recommended for near field/computer desktop listening, especially when paired with a sub for the lows.
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My experience is different. My 88db Denons are so so with my 10W T-amp and 3.5W Appj tube amp. Mas bagay yung 93db Fostex 4"er ko.
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Gino, are your Denons FRs?
My experience is different. My 88db Denons are so so with my 10W T-amp and 3.5W Appj tube amp. Mas bagay yung 93db Fostex 4"er ko.
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No they are not. 4" plus a tweeter.
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My experience is different. My 88db Denons are so so with my 10W T-amp and 3.5W Appj tube amp. Mas bagay yung 93db Fostex 4"er ko.
Haha defintiely mas bagay yung Fostex, other than the higher sensitivity, hindi kasi dumadaan sa crossover yung fullrange driver e, so walang power/signal degradation.
But narinig ko na Denon mo ah, and it also sounds sweet. Pero sa dynamics nga baka mabitin especially when listening far away from your speakers.
Also, have you tried tube-rolling your 12AX7? Sarap magtube-rolling. If you thought your stock APPJ is already sweet, wait 'till you put in a NOS tube.. :)
@Deist
Sir Gino's Denons are 2-way bookshelves
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The stock APPJ and Fostex setup has the headroom and impact that I want. Mabilog. It has a decent scaled down sound stage. For now it meets the minimum performance I require to appreciate music and movies.
This CHN70 I think will match the 100W class D amps on ebay. Indeed Hi-Fi Labs has an interesting one. I was about to buy one until I decided to build around the APPJ tube amp instead.
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The CHN-70 is 18watts nominal, 100watter amps would be an overkill I think. One thing I've learned about full range drivers is; efficiency, though critical in considering the amps to pair your speakers with, it is just 1 line item in the T/S parameters containing data which gives meaning to the behavior of a driver.
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The CHN-70 is 18watts nominal, 100watter amps would be an overkill I think. One thing I've learned about full range drivers is; efficiency, though critical in considering the amps to pair your speakers with, it is just 1 line item in the T/S parameters containing data which gives meaning to the behavior of a driver.
I thought so too, but we tried a small, conservatively rated 200W version of the honey badger amp with the hopes of destroying a CHR-70 and it somehow survived. :)
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The CHN-70 is 18watts nominal, 100watter amps would be an overkill I think. One thing I've learned about full range drivers is; efficiency, though critical in considering the amps to pair your speakers with, it is just 1 line item in the T/S parameters containing data which gives meaning to the behavior of a driver.
as long as the sound does not break up/distort,
a higher powered amp would not be a problem...
like i always say, i stopped counting the amplifier watts a long time ago...
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Sirs, there's someone in the world.wide.web who did destroy his CHR-70, you will see him bashing MA drivers in every forum he's registered in, calling the drivers "flimsy" & will only give "a hint of hifi". He started his barrage of criticisms in diyaudio a few years back. But it was clear that the case was more of a user defect rather than the product's :)
Pinoydvd is still predominantly an HT forum where most members buy off the shelf items, some might not even know what "clipping" is, some doesn't have a dedicated listening room and kids can easily access the setup, most doesn't know what a full range driver is or never heard of one. And when they do decide to try FRs, it will more than likely to be used in HT as well, and we all know when watching movies the louder it goes the better the impact esp with our favorite action/superhero/sci-fi flicks. The risk of mishandling the drivers is higher. I wouldn't want to be quoted as someone who said "these drivers can take a beating" ;D baka sabihin pa yan pag nagdecide mag-claim ng warranty hehe
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Sirs, there's someone in the world.wide.web who did destroy his CHR-70, you will see him bashing MA drivers in every forum he's registered in, calling the drivers "flimsy" & will only give "a hint of hifi". He started his barrage of criticisms in diyaudio a few years back. But it was clear that the case was more of a user defect rather than the product's :)
Pinoydvd is still predominantly an HT forum where most members buy off the shelf items, some might not even know what "clipping" is, some doesn't have a dedicated listening room and kids can easily access the setup, most doesn't know what a full range driver is or never heard of one. And when they do decide to try FRs, it will more than likely to be used in HT as well, and we all know when watching movies the louder it goes the better the impact esp with our favorite action/superhero/sci-fi flicks. The risk of mishandling the drivers is higher. I wouldn't want to be quoted as someone who said "these drivers can take a beating" ;D baka sabihin pa yan pag nagdecide mag-claim ng warranty hehe
You're right, based on the forums, that's the reason why Mark Fenlon put arrestor modules into his current and new drivers (as seen in the spec sheets) , to protect against any over-excursion if the need arises.
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Am currently running my chr-70a drivers with 150w/ch of amp power. With proper power handling you can get the best sound .. no need to crank up the volume. You would notice that the sound flows naturally out of the speaker which makes its very musical. The 150w/ch may seem too much, but just providing the right amount of gain, the speakers sings effortlessly. I may not be running my amp to its maximum potential, but with the chr-70a drivers, I am able to make it sing without over doing it.
I won't say that you need 150w/ch for these drivers. I am just lucky I can still handle the drivers with care even with a 150w/ch power amp by just not overdoing it. I believe that 20 - 50 watts will be enough provided it has good damping factor for solid state amps. Tube power amps will also do good at lower wattage since we all know that generally tubes amp provide good damping factor.
Just my opinion.... YMMV
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Any thoughts on 12P..i might purchase a pair soon.. :)
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12P has better bass extension than 10P. But overall reviews in the net favor the 10P in terms of balanced bass, mids and highs, that's why I chose the 10P. The 12P has softer highs which you may or may not like (depending on your taste)
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Like what RXV said, based on reviews; the 12P has a slight edge on details/clarity in mids (attributed to the bigger cone diameter) esp when enclosed in the super pensils but the 10P is a better all 'rounder. Either way, i'm sure you won't be disappointed ;)
But I suggest you wait a few months for the release of the new Alpair 7P or even the Alpair 8 and wait for reviews to come pouring in.
Any thoughts on 12P..i might purchase a pair soon.. :)
+1 :)
12P has better bass extension than 10P. But overall reviews in the net favor the 10P in terms of balanced bass, mids and highs, that's why I chose the 10P. The 12P has softer highs which you may or may not like (depending on your taste)
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Sirs, there's someone in the world.wide.web who did destroy his CHR-70, you will see him bashing MA drivers in every forum he's registered in, calling the drivers "flimsy" & will only give "a hint of hifi". He started his barrage of criticisms in diyaudio a few years back. But it was clear that the case was more of a user defect rather than the product's :)
Pinoydvd is still predominantly an HT forum where most members buy off the shelf items, some might not even know what "clipping" is, some doesn't have a dedicated listening room and kids can easily access the setup, most doesn't know what a full range driver is or never heard of one. And when they do decide to try FRs, it will more than likely to be used in HT as well, and we all know when watching movies the louder it goes the better the impact esp with our favorite action/superhero/sci-fi flicks. The risk of mishandling the drivers is higher. I wouldn't want to be quoted as someone who said "these drivers can take a beating" ;D baka sabihin pa yan pag nagdecide mag-claim ng warranty hehe
That's been taken cared of already, however, once it's out on the net it's there forever so...
Anyway, the MA drivers are intended for the home hi-fi scene rather than for HT. I wouldn't recommend these drivers for HT use, imho. But for the audio enthusiast, it's worth to try if going FR is a path one wants to take.
I'm not saying it is indestructible, but for our in-house testing it is necessary to try it out with amps whose output ranges from a measly Watt up to several hundreds.
I'm guessing I need to post a disclaimer too. ;D
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12P has better bass extension than 10P. But overall reviews in the net favor the 10P in terms of balanced bass, mids and highs, that's why I chose the 10P. The 12P has softer highs which you may or may not like (depending on your taste)
hehe ganun ba sir?kakabili ko lang from neo ng 12p..tingnan ko nlng kung anong dating ng SQ sakin. anyways nasa sis ko pa sa singapore so di ko pa matry sa ngayon..planning to build a BS enclosure for this and bi wire connect from my amp with my AN Floorstander...sana nga maganda kalabasan nito...AN+MA combo..
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hehe ganun ba sir?kakabili ko lang from neo ng 12p..tingnan ko nlng kung anong dating ng SQ sakin. anyways nasa sis ko pa sa singapore so di ko pa matry sa ngayon..planning to build a BS enclosure for this and bi wire connect from my amp with my AN Floorstander...sana nga maganda kalabasan nito...AN+MA combo..
I recommend building a Pensil Floorstander for your 12P, sayang naman ang bass extension niya kung BS lang. Kung BS plan mo, sana Alpair7 na lang kinuha mo.
Do you plan on playing the AN and MA simultaneously? Although the AN is also very good, they have a different sound signature with MA, so it might not blend in nicely. Pero experiment mo na lang, it might be good to your ears.
I played an Alpair10P (paper) along with an Alpair7.3 (metal) when I was burning them in at the same time, and the sonics were different (but really, not bad at all :) )
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Why use two full rangers? Is it because a single FR can't produce the desired bandwidth? Sayang lang ang point source advantage di ba if you use two? Besides, mag-iiba ang impedance seen by the amp when you parallel connect two drivers. Take note also of the difference in efficiencies of the two drivers.
IMO, kung dalawang driver and gagamitin, better to use a true woofer mated with a fullranger and the necessary (evil ha ha ha!) crossover.
Pasensya na kung nangingielam. :)
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Bro, I suggest you build the superpensil enclosure & make the 12P as a totally separate setup from your AN. Magkaiba naman for sure ang sound signature ng AN & MA so pwede kang switch depending on your mood ;) Congrats in advance!
hehe ganun ba sir?kakabili ko lang from neo ng 12p..tingnan ko nlng kung anong dating ng SQ sakin. anyways nasa sis ko pa sa singapore so di ko pa matry sa ngayon..planning to build a BS enclosure for this and bi wire connect from my amp with my AN Floorstander...sana nga maganda kalabasan nito...AN+MA combo..
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Why use two full rangers? Is it because a single FR can't produce the desired bandwidth? Sayang lang ang point source advantage di ba if you use two? Besides, mag-iiba ang impedance seen by the amp when you parallel connect two drivers. Take note also of the difference in efficiencies of the two drivers.
IMO, kung dalawang driver and gagamitin, better to use a true woofer mated with a fullranger and the necessary (evil ha ha ha!) crossover.
Pasensya na kung nangingielam. :)
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Why use two full rangers? Is it because a single FR can't produce the desired bandwidth? Sayang lang ang point source advantage di ba if you use two? Besides, mag-iiba ang impedance seen by the amp when you parallel connect two drivers. Take note also of the difference in efficiencies of the two drivers.
IMO, kung dalawang driver and gagamitin, better to use a true woofer mated with a fullranger and the necessary (evil ha ha ha!) crossover.
Pasensya na kung nangingielam. :)
+1
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^ yes sir RXV, to run simultaneously ung purpose...experimental kumbaga..wla naman cgurong problema sa impedance since im using a tube amp and sometimes tube pre+ss power combo...thanks for the suggestions..ill think about it...
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Why use two full rangers?
Why not? >:D
Is it because a single FR can't produce the desired bandwidth?
If that's the case, better not use that driver. ;D
Sayang lang ang point source advantage di ba if you use two?
I'm curious bro, in your opinion, is it a make or break in a design decision?
Besides, mag-iiba ang impedance seen by the amp when you parallel connect two drivers. Take note also of the difference in efficiencies of the two drivers.
This wouldn't be much of a problem if the amp can withstand it naman.
IMO, kung dalawang driver and gagamitin, better to use a true woofer mated with a fullranger and the necessary (evil ha ha ha!) crossover.
Ganito sana ang gusto ko gawin, with separate volumes for the FR and a Dynaudio woofer. Pero nagiging complicated na kasi in my mind gusto ko powered yun woofer with it's own electronic crossover to eliminate the "evil" thing. ;D
Parang lalabas yata sub na yun woofer. ::)
Pasensya na kung nangingielam. :)
Di naman tayo siguro mapapagalitan. ;D
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For me, using two fullrange drivers (different brand/model/type) simultaneously defeats the purpose of the point source imaging of a fullrange's characteristics. Pwede naman sa pwede kung trip, but why do it? Sana nag bi-poles ka na lang or multi-speakers like the Bose enclosures kung ganun.
Although a fullrange is supposed to reproduce the entire bandwith of human hearing (in theory and specs), I still haven't heard or experience a single FR that can reproduce the entire human hearing bandwidth perfectly. No driver is perfect naman, I understand that.
Two sets of speakers in parallel connected to a tube amp can be done naman, but the question for me is more of the mismatch with regards to the sensitivity of each driver as well as the sonics (signature sound) of each driver, magkakahalo-halo na, at baka masapawan ng isang driver yung isa (just like having two different ported subs played simultaneously, hindi sabay ang tunog/timpla).
A fullrange mated with a woofer is actually very viable. That's why Mark Fenlon currently created the new A12BW, a true woofer dedicated to handle the lows while being sonically matched with his current drivers (and aesthetically too). Yun lang nga, I don't know about using a crossover.
But to each his own nga, I respect that. Naexperience ko rin to run two different Alpairs simultaneously (while burning them in before), and it's actually not that bad hehe. pero iba pa rin siyempre ang 1 set lang for critical listening.
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The only benefit I see from using 2 sets of FR drivers simultaneously without using any form of crossover = SPL.
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I like the pros and cons which u guys are pouring in...lalo akong gaganahan sa experiment ko....BS lang for this 12p para ma tame ung bass niya... so the AN lang ang incharge ng bass department..sana nga ok..
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^how do you intend to implement the crossover,sir?
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^walang crossover sir..just merely a small enclosure to tame the bass
Naexperience ko rin to run two different Alpairs simultaneously (while burning them in before), and it's actually not that bad hehe.
^with this statement, may pag asang gumanda project ko..heheh
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The only benefit I see from using 2 sets of FR drivers simultaneously without using any form of crossover = SPL.
Correct! Pero kung malayo ang difference sa SPL ng dalawang drivers baka hindi mo rin gaano madinig. For example nasa 95db up yung isang driver at yung isa naman ay nasa 88db lang. But then again you loose the point-source advantage. Isa pa, kung maganda na response nung isang driver tapos sinamahan mo ng isang peaky ang frequency response, baka mas pangit pa lumabas.
Pero kung nasa possession mo na ang dalawang drivers, maganda na subukan na rin kung magustuhan. Ha ha!
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Pasensya na po di ako marunong mag-"quote" kaya ang response pumasok din loob.
Why not? >:D
If that's the case, better not use that driver. ;D
Actually yun din ang point ko.
I'm curious bro, in your opinion, is it a make or break in a design decision?
It depends. I don't see it much in full range forums that they use two full rangers (with different parameters at that) simultaneously. It defeats the purpose, IMO.
This wouldn't be much of a problem if the amp can withstand it naman.
Ganito sana ang gusto ko gawin, with separate volumes for the FR and a Dynaudio woofer. Pero nagiging complicated na kasi in my mind gusto ko powered yun woofer with it's own electronic crossover to eliminate the "evil" thing. ;D
Parang lalabas yata sub na yun woofer. ::)
IMO, this is the better approach. Design the crossover (if passive) based on the woofer and the FR specs to be used. Mas madali sa active xover dahil you can tailor the response you want. Mas gagaang pa nga trabaho ng FR kasi it need not operate in the frequency na mahina siya. Mas liliit pa ang kahon ng FR gaya ng approach ni Gino if I'm not mistaken.
Di naman tayo siguro mapapagalitan.
Sana nga! HA HA ;D
JojoD,
Just want you to know that I still enjoy using the linestage and phonostage (in one) that you made for me several years ago. I just replaced the 12au7 tubes with 12BH7 which to my ears is better sounding in my system.
Larry
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Pasensya na po di ako marunong mag-"quote" kaya ang response pumasok din loob.
JojoD,
Just want you to know that I still enjoy using the linestage and phonostage (in one) that you made for me several years ago. I just replaced the 12au7 tubes with 12BH7 which to my ears is better sounding in my system.
Larry
Larry,
Glad to hear that bro. :)
As for my MA+woofer dilemma, you mean to passively cross the MA driver also? O should I just rely on it's own cutoff?
Too unpredictable siguro ano?
Btw, the reason I opted for an active xover for the woofer is because I want to cross it where the MA falls to it's -3dB. So in effect the woofer reinforces the MA on the bass region. Pag mag passive ako and the frequency is low masyado lalaki ang coil specs which will make the "evil" more evilish diba? ;D
Di tayo mapapagalitan dito. ;) ;D
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For me, using two fullrange drivers (different brand/model/type) simultaneously defeats the purpose of the point source imaging of a fullrange's characteristics. Pwede naman sa pwede kung trip, but why do it? Sana nag bi-poles ka na lang or multi-speakers like the Bose enclosures kung ganun.
Although a fullrange is supposed to reproduce the entire bandwith of human hearing (in theory and specs), I still haven't heard or experience a single FR that can reproduce the entire human hearing bandwidth perfectly. No driver is perfect naman, I understand that.
Two sets of speakers in parallel connected to a tube amp can be done naman, but the question for me is more of the mismatch with regards to the sensitivity of each driver as well as the sonics (signature sound) of each driver, magkakahalo-halo na, at baka masapawan ng isang driver yung isa (just like having two different ported subs played simultaneously, hindi sabay ang tunog/timpla).
A fullrange mated with a woofer is actually very viable. That's why Mark Fenlon currently created the new A12BW, a true woofer dedicated to handle the lows while being sonically matched with his current drivers (and aesthetically too). Yun lang nga, I don't know about using a crossover.
But to each his own nga, I respect that. Naexperience ko rin to run two different Alpairs simultaneously (while burning them in before), and it's actually not that bad hehe. pero iba pa rin siyempre ang 1 set lang for critical listening.
Would point source be totally lost with a two driver FR system? It's starting to sound like a severely dreaded thing to do from a FR perspective.
I've been using FR drivers too, my very first speakers are FRs naman and I enjoyed them but like you said, may pagka bitin talaga ang bandwidth especially in the extreme ends. The solution on the lower end is to design the box to maximize the bass which tends to be as big as a small vintage cabinet.
Kapag mismatch in sensitivities na paguusapan then that's it already. No two drivers are alike. Even the solid rocket boosters of the space shuttle are not completely alike - rocket science pa yun. This makes the single vs dual driver argument sound more like a purists argument rather than a technical one.
Wow so may woofers na pala... sana pati tweeters maglabas na din siya.
To each his own, I agree. Respect.
Cheers
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Larry,
Glad to hear that bro. :)
As for my MA+woofer dilemma, you mean to passively cross the MA driver also? O should I just rely on it's own cutoff?
Too unpredictable siguro ano?
Btw, the reason I opted for an active xover for the woofer is because I want to cross it where the MA falls to it's -3dB. So in effect the woofer reinforces the MA on the bass region. Pag mag passive ako and the frequency is low masyado lalaki ang coil specs which will make the "evil" more evilish diba? ;D
Di tayo mapapagalitan dito. ;) ;D
Mas maganda nga kung natural roll-off lang sana ng MA para wala na additional passive components. Better if you are able to measure the MA's performance in your room para makita mo kung saan siya nagroroll-off.
Kung gusto mo mag-trial and error without buying too many components, I have a two-way MiniDsp that I can loan you. I can try to send the accompanying software to you also. Pag nakuha mo na yung gusto mong SQ based sa frequency cut-off na napili mo, pwede ka na gumawa ng passive xover. PM me if you're interested.
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Mas maganda nga kung natural roll-off lang sana ng MA para wala na additional passive components. Better if you are able to measure the MA's performance in your room para makita mo kung saan siya nagroroll-off.
Kung gusto mo mag-trial and error without buying too many components, I have a two-way MiniDsp that I can loan you. I can try to send the accompanying software to you also. Pag nakuha mo na yung gusto mong SQ based sa frequency cut-off na napili mo, pwede ka na gumawa ng passive xover. PM me if you're interested.
That's the plan sana bro, no xover for the FR, only the woofer has it, either passive or active kung gagawin ko powered. The FR has to be in it's proper box volume pa din but will end up like a sub-sat system na yata pag powered yun woofer.
Kung ganyan ang setup, ok kaya? Am I missing anything? Pros and Cons sort of thing.
Thanks for the offer bro, I do have access to a mic-rta rig at the moment but will let you know just in case. :)
TIA
Jojo
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The new Alpair 7P in action.
http://youtu.be/QT_7SzKpSKk (http://youtu.be/QT_7SzKpSKk)
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Since my last progress post about end of April this year, I may have reached about 300++ hours of running time with my chr70a dual drivers as of todate. The sound character still has changed. For one, the gain has increased which is a sign that the driver's suspension is loosening up. The perceived increase in gain provided a larger soundstage which makes the music presentation lifelike than it was when the drivers were at >100 hours running time. The bass also has opened up yet retaining its tight character. The mids and highs are still to die for. The speaker now fills the room not only with sound, but it presents the music with the right size and depth. Also, music flows effortlessly without straining oneself into analyzing the music presentation. Listening to music is now more relaxed.
I feel that the this speakers can present the character of your sources, especially in my case where I am currently tweaking my digital source. Each tweak I make is now apparent with the help of this transparent speakers. I can easily spot the differences whenever I change something in the audio chain.
I wonder what will happen when it reaches the 400 hour mark ....... Mark Fenlon and his friends over at diyaudio has indicated that the full potential of the speakers will be revealed when it reaches the 400 hour mark......
For those who have ventured with mark audio drivers, be patient until the drivers reach the 400 hour mark ...... Happy listening.....
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^ very well said sir Joey. It's great that you can put into words your experience with these drivers eloquently, all I can add now is: " I share the same experience!" ;D >:D
I'm guessing others are having second thoughts on the capabilities of MA drivers SPL wise because of the small cone size, well it can easily fill my 18sqm home office room without effort. Lastly, the small diameter of the cone also means a bigger sweet spot 8)
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But i am now excited with the Alpair 7p (mids and highs) and the Alpair 12pw (low mids and low lows) combination! No need for subs and this will rock!
As Mark quoted for the Alpair 12pw:
Please remember the 12PW remains a light-duty driver. Those into "head-banging", "continuous rock-un roll" or intent on ear drum damage, the 12PW is NOT the driver for you. If however, you want to go low and get a serious audiophile quality sound where you can easily tell the audible difference between a double-bass and a bass-guitar when both instruments are oscillating at <40 cycles, this IS the driver for you.
The new Alpair 7P in action.
http://youtu.be/QT_7SzKpSKk (http://youtu.be/QT_7SzKpSKk)
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We should schedule the long overdue listening session ...... ang lapit na natin .... di pa natin maituloy ... hehehe
^ very well said sir Joey. It's great that you can put into words your experience with these drivers eloquently, all I can add now is: " I share the same experience!" ;D >:D
I'm guessing others are having second thoughts on the capabilities of MA drivers SPL wise because of the small cone size, well it can easily fill my 18sqm home office room without effort. Lastly, the small diameter of the cone also means a bigger sweet spot 8)
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You got PM...sa viber ;)
We should schedule the long overdue listening session ...... ang lapit na natin .... di pa natin maituloy ... hehehe
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Copy that!
You got PM...sa viber ;)
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Had a blast light night during our listening session over at Sir JoeyGs' place. His room is properly treated and his setup is at par with that of Audio/Video shop's listening room & even Hi-Fi shows. His gear include quality sources; a customized fanless PC paired with Twisted Pear's Buffalo DAC, A customized cd player that can put to shame high end branded ones, A Technics SL-1210M5G & a Luxman TT, (forgot the model & cart), all powered by JDLabs custom made monoblock power amps via Aikido preamp (Sir Joey, pls fill in the items I missed). And an assortment of audiophile quality cables, while we on the other hand are enjoying freshly brewed coffee ;)
And don't get me started with his records & CD collection in several carts & racks occupying half of the room. And yes, more records stacked in about 6 feet high racks in the living room 8) O0
We started by playing high resolution lossless files via PC & his MA dual CHR-70A in pensil enclosure, those little buggers can SING! and sing LOUD! Couldn't believe the quality of sound we're getting out of those 4inchers.
Then we tried my MA Alpair 10P in pensil cabinets, first with lossless files - Audiophile voices etc, we moved to CDs - Lush Life by John Coltrane, Diana Kralls' Love Scenes, Toto, Ella & Louis, etc. Then an assortment of records with the Luxman TT.
After trying out 3 different type of sources I must say the KING & will remain in the throne for a long time is still ANALOG! It gives a presence which can't be rivaled by lossless files & CDs, it paints a picture of you in the same room with the artists playing. The music just comes out more "alive" & the impact is just soothing to the senses.
The MAs performed well & I honestly believe the quality of sound I heard last night was simply phenomenal especially when you take into consideration the total cost of the speaker build. We were all smiling the whole time and then Sir Joey put on the record - "Moonlight Serenade" by Ray Brown & Laurindo Almeida. Sir Joey, just when Ray Brown was about to start his bass solo shushed us saying; "Eto na hinihintay natin", Sir Ed stopped browsing thru records and remained motionless then at the end of the track quipped "Yan ang recording"...And me, it almost brought tears to my eyes ^-^
Till next time Sir Joey & thank you for the hospitality. Sarap tumambay sa listening room mo.
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Finally, we did it! Happy having you over in my audio cave ^-^ and good that Ed was able to join us.
I was surprised when you brought along your 10p and I was glad you did. I think the 10p is a good size for my room 8) O0
One thing I have confirmed is that Mark Audio (MA) drivers when built properly will bring out the character of your audio chain system. MA drivers are quite transparent, not boxy and is similar to magnetic planars or electrostatics in sound character. It's fast and quick which gives you the PRAT and SPL, even with relatively small drivers. The sound is soothing and free flowing without strain, enjoying volume levels that would fill the room realizing full size image of the singers and the instruments. And you are right that among the sources we used, vinyl is KING.......
We ended with you knowing what your 10p can do and leaving with a huge but good problem ..... >:D >:D >:D
I too also have learned a thing or too and will continue to progress into improving my set-up.
Music with analog instruments + MA speakers + analog source = natural analogue music!
Til the next session.......
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BTW, someone out there told me na sana ma-describe mo daw what you heard during the session..... Hehehe
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BTW, someone out there told me na sana ma-describe mo daw what you heard during the session..... Hehehe
+1 :)
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I've witnessed JoeyGS's audio journey, from LSA1 to ViennaAcoustic to Living Voice to Maggies+dualSubs, and al i can say is that Mark Audio dual driver project beats them all! Congratulations, Joey! Cheers! 8) 8)
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I knew someone is bound to ask this question :)
Let's start with soundstaging, to simply put it the MAs produce a large soundstage, you will hear layers upon layers of sound and quite a vivid imaging. First: the Vocalist, she/he was always in the middle with the other members in places where they should be; in Diana Krall's Love Scenes, first track - "All or Nothing", a pronounced 14 second bass line intro coming from the sides, recessed, then when Diana Krall sang the first line, the first word seemed to come out like a shout but for me it's more like a purposeful introduction to the power of her voice. And throughout, the vocalist was in complete control & ever so slightly just giving way to band members' solos.
The drums, what is considered as the most "impactful" instrument in a band. I chose Toto's tracks Rosanna & Africa to demonstrate this. In the track "Africa" there's a drum roll right before the chorus, I clearly heard & felt how the drummer (Keith Carlock or was it Jeff Porcaro?) navigated his sticks from the snares - high tom - middle tom - floor tom - then to the cymbals and the MAs presented it from left side of the room to the right, then the ride+crash cymbals on each side at the same time.
Guitar & bass; for this Sir Ed wanted to try "Moonlight Serenade" a jazz duet by bass player Ray Brown & guitarist Laurindo Almeida. He described Almeida's playing here as "precise" in a swiss watch like manner. And true to that, I didn't hear a miscalculation or a finger accidentally touching any of the fret bars. Ray Brown's breathtaking solos filled the room with a strong presence, full, rich and lots of bottom end.
To sum it up, I realized that there wasn't anything missing in the sound, if not for a bit more low end for more impact. But throughout the whole session it was there, the bass is not too loose & not too tight but coherent. Forget about tweeters of any kind, the sparkle in the Alpair 10P's highs covers frequencies well beyond what a human ear can hear but in a finessed and in a not "screechy" manner.
Hope this helps, guys :)
BTW, someone out there told me na sana ma-describe mo daw what you heard during the session..... Hehehe
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What you don't hear the brain perceives as presence. That is the foundation of imaging. Good session you guys had. Well, can't really expect less for such top quality research and work.
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This is what I have noticed too. I came to a conclusion that his room has gone thru a long audio journey with each item there selected and hand picked from years (or even decades ;D) of listening experience. I also knew the MAs won the battle seeing the pair of Maggies in one corner semi-retired and gathering dust :D
I've witnessed JoeyGS's audio journey, from LSA1 to ViennaAcoustic to Living Voice to Maggies+dualSubs, and al i can say is that Mark Audio dual driver project beats them all! Congratulations, Joey! Cheers! 8) 8)
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Sir Joey, when I was driving on my way home that night I realized that the Alpair 10P in FHXL would be perfect for your room!
First, your current speaker placement is a meter or 2 away from the walls (a requirement for FHs) and second; you like tilting the speakers a bit with good results (a natural in FHs design).
Just saying >:D
I was surprised when you brought along your 10p and I was glad you did. I think the 10p is a good size for my room 8) O0
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It was a good session indeed, sana more to come hehehe
Sir Joey & I were discussing na sana makabisita din si Sir JojoD nang marinig naman nya ang kanyang masterpieces. That room is a perfect showroom for JDLabs 8)
What you don't hear the brain perceives as presence. That is the foundation of imaging. Good session you guys had. Well, can't really expect less for such top quality research and work.
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The FHXL might be a pain to build (unless just order the flatpack 8)) ..... The pensil is quite sufficient for simplification and build economy. Another thing .... Bob Brine's MLTL is highly regarded for the Alpair 10p too and the plans are paypal away ... ^-^ plus as discussed, just mail the oval panel O0
As for the tilting, you may have noticed that most of the finished products are with wooden bases and probably with spikes (plus they use couches that are low) which puts the drivers at proper ear level. In my case my seat is regular height which makes the driver lower and makes the singers image dwarfed. The tilting fixes it and makes the images lifelike.
Sir Joey, when I was driving on my way home that night I realized that the Alpair 10P in FHXL would be perfect for your room!
First, your current speaker placement is a meter or 2 away from the walls (a requirement for FHs) and second; you like tilting the speakers a bit with good results (a natural in FHs design).
Just saying >:D
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Oo nga eh.
Plus .... we should fire up Jojo's butt to build his own MA speaker pair. He has the tools pa nga eh. He has the driver just sitting in the box .... sayang and he is not getting any younger to enjoy Mark's creation!
It was a good session indeed, sana more to come hehehe
Sir Joey & I were discussing na sana makabisita din si Sir JojoD nang marinig naman nya ang kanyang masterpieces. That room is a perfect showroom for JDLabs 8)
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Tama that you played with tilt. It has a profound effect just like toe-in. You tweak cone sound dispersion. You also tweak reflected sound.
Kung may all-axis motorized stand lang sana, we can tune sound like we do treble and bass.
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May remote din? ..... and also from you phones and tablets? >:D This would simplify room tuning/set-up!
Tama that you played with tilt. It has a profound effect just like toe-in. You tweak cone sound dispersion. You also tweak reflected sound.
Kung may all-axis motorized stand lang sana, we can tune sound like we do treble and bass.
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A tablet app that shows room layout will be cool.
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Including sound waves .... ^-^
A tablet app that shows room layout will be cool.
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Panalo if ever yung request na "pls ship the oval panel" hahaha
My vote still goes to the FHXL, if only I have the room where it can sing beautifully. Even Mark was astounded by how low it can go & the DDR the 10P can produce in the FHXL, interchangeable pa ang 10P & 10.3M sa FHXL enclosure. Ihanap na lang ng kaya gumawa nung box eg; Anthony :)
Pensils & Bob Brines M10A10 are both MLTLs though different in designs pero parang same flavor ng sound while FH is quarter wave horn and a sexy one aesthetically if I may say so ;)
But whatever enclosure you choose we know you won't be disappointed 8)
The FHXL might be a pain to build (unless just order the flatpack 8)) ..... The pensil is quite sufficient for simplification and build economy. Another thing .... Bob Brine's MLTL is highly regarded for the Alpair 10p too and the plans are paypal away ... ^-^ plus as discussed, just mail the oval panel O0
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I knew someone is bound to ask this question :)
Let's start with soundstaging, to simply put it the MAs produce a large soundstage, you will hear layers upon layers of sound and quite a vivid imaging. First: the Vocalist, she/he was always in the middle with the other members in places where they should be; in Diana Krall's Love Scenes, first track - "All or Nothing", a pronounced 14 second bass line intro coming from the sides, recessed, then when Diana Krall sang the first line, the first word seemed to come out like a shout but for me it's more like a purposeful introduction to the power of her voice. And throughout, the vocalist was in complete control & ever so slightly just giving way to band members' solos.
The drums, what is considered as the most "impactful" instrument in a band. I chose Toto's tracks Rosanna & Africa to demonstrate this. In the track "Africa" there's a drum roll right before the chorus, I clearly heard & felt how the drummer (Keith Carlock or was it Jeff Porcaro?) navigated his sticks from the snares - high tom - middle tom - floor tom - then to the cymbals and the MAs presented it from left side of the room to the right, then the ride+crash cymbals on each side at the same time.
Guitar & bass; for this Sir Ed wanted to try "Moonlight Serenade" a jazz duet by bass player Ray Brown & guitarist Laurindo Almeida. He described Almeida's playing here as "precise" in a swiss watch like manner. And true to that, I didn't hear a miscalculation or a finger accidentally touching any of the fret bars. Ray Brown's breathtaking solos filled the room with a strong presence, full, rich and lots of bottom end.
To sum it up, I realized that there wasn't anything missing in the sound, if not for a bit more low end for more impact. But throughout the whole session it was there, the bass is not too loose & not too tight but coherent. Forget about tweeters of any kind, the sparkle in the Alpair 10P's highs covers frequencies well beyond what a human ear can hear but in a finessed and in a not "screechy" manner.
Hope this helps, guys :)
Your observation validates mine! :-)......
@joeygs..
Hope thwre would be another session soon?.....another run of cables ia ready for handover! :)
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This is what I have noticed too. I came to a conclusion that his room has gone thru a long audio journey with each item there selected and hand picked from years (or even decades ;D) of listening experience. I also knew the MAs won the battle seeing the pair of Maggies in one corner semi-retired and gathering dust :D
Not only with speakers....cables too...hihihi
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Oo nga eh.
Plus .... we should fire up Jojo's butt to build his own MA speaker pair. He has the tools pa nga eh. He has the driver just sitting in the box .... sayang and he is not getting any younger to enjoy Mark's creation!
.....and he's getting bigger too :p
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Correct! speaking of cables....are you guys planning to bring in the silver speaker cables again? i'm interested ;D
Not only with speakers....cables too...hihihi
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Correct! speaking of cables....are you guys planning to bring in the silver speaker cables again? i'm interested ;D
If its the colored green and yellow, yes!:)
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Great! pls count me in :)
If its the colored green and yellow, yes!:)
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Great! pls count me in :)
Sure, bro! :)
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I wonder if these can implemented using MA drivers:
(http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/LXmini-inroom-2.jpg)
(http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/LXmini-closeup.jpg)
A guy started tinkering around already with the CHR 70.3.
(http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attachments/markaudio/436144d1409545789-another-use-chr-70iii-chr-70iii.jpg)
They call this the LXmini, designed by Seigfried Linkwitz and here is the website link: http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/Introduction.htm (http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/Introduction.htm)
You can even buy a kit at Madisound........
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Joey,
Nakita ko nga ito. Kayang kaya siguro gawin ng tubero namin 'to. :)
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MiniDSP lang ang katapat niyan para ma-integrate ...diba?
Joey,
Nakita ko nga ito. Kayang kaya siguro gawin ng tubero namin 'to. :)
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Anong underlying principle sa ganyang configuration ng drivers?
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Ganda, minimalist.
I wonder if these can implemented using MA drivers:
(http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/LXmini-inroom-2.jpg)
(http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/LXmini-closeup.jpg)
A guy started tinkering around already with the CHR 70.3.
(http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attachments/markaudio/436144d1409545789-another-use-chr-70iii-chr-70iii.jpg)
They call this the LXmini, designed by Seigfried Linkwitz and here is the website link: http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/Introduction.htm (http://www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/Introduction.htm)
You can even buy a kit at Madisound........
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Pagkatapos makahanap ng karpintero, tubero naman ang susunod hahahaha
Joey,
Nakita ko nga ito. Kayang kaya siguro gawin ng tubero namin 'to. :)
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gusto ko yun woofer niya...
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MiniDSP lang ang katapat niyan para ma-integrate ...diba?
OT: Pag bibili ka ng MiniDSP brader pa piggy-back ako ng isa ha... thanks!
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Copy that!
OT: Pag bibili ka ng MiniDSP brader pa piggy-back ako ng isa ha... thanks!
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Copy that!
actually, I'm still contemplating and reading and reading and reading 'til I have teary eyes... ;D
yan minidsp or this would make for a nice near field studio setup...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1376477_636196033067553_244187551_n.jpg?oh=d4ceb8a09bb363525abc125b07d7596c&oe=546DE76B&__gda__=1417011944_3c75874c6281a4d24943e33073fd72df)
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actually, I'm still contemplating and reading and reading and reading 'til I have teary eyes... ;D
yan minidsp or this would make for a nice near field studio setup...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1376477_636196033067553_244187551_n.jpg?oh=d4ceb8a09bb363525abc125b07d7596c&oe=546DE76B&__gda__=1417011944_3c75874c6281a4d24943e33073fd72df)
May digital input ang mini dsp. Pwede yata diretso ikabit sa board ang source eh. Di ko lang kabisado pero you can check their site.MiniDSP lang ang katapat niyan para ma-integrate ...diba?
Ung minidsp 2x4 ang ginamit dito kasi 2-way lang. Kakaibang design nya. Parang omnidirectional.
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OT: Pag bibili ka ng MiniDSP brader pa piggy-back ako ng isa ha... thanks!
Jojo,
In case matuloy ka bumili ng minidsp and you will be building an enclosure for it, consider another case for me. Pagawan ko narin sa iyo ng maayos na enclosure ang sa akin.
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May digital input ang mini dsp. Pwede yata diretso ikabit sa board ang source eh. Di ko lang kabisado pero you can check their site.
Ung minidsp 2x4 ang ginamit dito kasi 2-way lang. Kakaibang design nya. Parang omnidirectional.
Yan ok, direct digital to digital connection and conversion na, wala na external DAC needed.
Jojo,
In case matuloy ka bumili ng minidsp and you will be building an enclosure for it, consider another case for me. Pagawan ko narin sa iyo ng maayos na enclosure ang sa akin.
Sure thing Larry.
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The 2 way plan with a simple crossover for the recently released MA 7P + 12PW is out! Other plans will be available soon accdg to planet10. This is a project I definitely see in my horizon 8)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/simple-2way-A7pA12pw.jpg)
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Mukhang yummy two-way ito! How much kaya abutin ang total parts cost?
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Just as I thought it would be, the mid-high is sealed and isolated from the other driver.
Gawin na yan! ;D
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Sabay niyo na miniDSP diyan.
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Sabay niyo na miniDSP diyan.
tama, miniDSP. para mawala na yang LCR components ;D
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Sabay niyo na miniDSP diyan.
+1, a very good test platform indeed.
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Ganda ng design nyan... Gawin na...!
Pero di na ba kailangan ang internal bracing..?
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It's a 1 meter 18mm mdf plank. Hindi mo tatamaan ang resonating frequency niyan with those drivers.
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Yummy nga sir, ganda ng spacing ng drivers, magkalapit so no comb filtering on this. Estimated cost ng drivers at acquisition is $500 for all 4. ;)
Mukhang yummy two-way ito! How much kaya abutin ang total parts cost?
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Sirs, as stated sa "Notes" at the lower right hand side of the plan pic - "bracing is optional, do account for bracing volume if used"
Sa mga designs ni Scott Lindgren madalas bracing is optional, if you will do it he recommends a "holey" brace. something like the one below:
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c312/organ/plan-pensil-12.jpg)
It's a 1 meter 18mm mdf plank. Hindi mo tatamaan ang resonating frequency niyan with those drivers.
Ganda ng design nyan... Gawin na...!
Pero di na ba kailangan ang internal bracing..?
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If I were planning a build right now I will definitely go for this, kaso I'm still happy with my A10Ps kaya sa horizon muna sya ;D. Sa description ni Mark abt the 12PW dito kami interesado ni sir Joey (see highlighted text in red below):
"Please remember the 12PW remains a light-duty driver. Those into "head-banging", "continuous rock-un roll" or intent on ear drum damage, the 12PW is NOT the driver for you. If however, you want to go low and get a serious audiophile quality sound where you can easily tell the audible difference between a double-bass and a bass-guitar when both instruments are oscillating at <40 cycles, this IS the driver for you."
Just as I thought it would be, the mid-high is sealed and isolated from the other driver.
Gawin na yan! ;D
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a big YES to MiniDSP for more flexibility.
+1, a very good test platform indeed.
tama, miniDSP. para mawala na yang LCR components ;D
Sabay niyo na miniDSP diyan.
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Gawin na yan!
Not bad for $500. Marami nang tatalunin sa SQ yan sa ganyang price. Landed cost na ba yan?
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If I were planning a build right now I will definitely go for this, kaso I'm still happy with my A10Ps kaya sa horizon muna sya ;D. Sa description ni Mark abt the 12PW dito kami interesado ni sir Joey (see highlighted text in red below):
"Please remember the 12PW remains a light-duty driver. Those into "head-banging", "continuous rock-un roll" or intent on ear drum damage, the 12PW is NOT the driver for you. If however, you want to go low and get a serious audiophile quality sound where you can easily tell the audible difference between a double-bass and a bass-guitar when both instruments are oscillating at <40 cycles, this IS the driver for you."
I myself am building a simple digital source setup with my other laptop kaya no speaker project for me muna. But this is certainly an excellent candidate when the time comes.
Those description are spot on if not conservative, I've had the pleasure of taking with Mark and with his tech know-how and low-down personality I'm sure the units can go beyond his descriptions pa.
Sino kaya ang mag go nito? >:D
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Pwede kaya ibang drivers.... Using this box dimension?
X-over will be made based on drivers specs.
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Agreed, MA drivers are over-performers based on my experience...may kilala akong may balak ng bagong build, taga-Sta. Rosa din >:D
Those description are spot on if not conservative, I've had the pleasure of taking with Mark and with his tech know-how and low-down personality I'm sure the units can go beyond his descriptions pa.
Sino kaya ang mag go nito? >:D
Sadly that's not the landed cost so tataas pa yan if shipped here :-[
Gawin na yan!
Not bad for $500. Marami nang tatalunin sa SQ yan sa ganyang price. Landed cost na ba yan?
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Pwede but it's not going to be an optimal design for the drivers you will use. If it's that easy to swap drivers using a single enclosure e di sana masaya na ang lahat :D
This plan is specifically designed & tuned for the MA 7P & 12PW using the T/S parameters supplied by the manufacturer. You have to look for drivers with very close specs to the MA's mentioned to utilize the box design, yung 7P you might find a Fostex alternative but I doubt kung meron for 12PW. And no amount of stuffing can compensate for the mismatch.
Pwede kaya ibang drivers.... Using this box dimension?
X-over will be made based on drivers specs.
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Sarap siguro gawin yan sa cnc, no Jo? Then sell as a kit....
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Sarap siguro gawin yan sa cnc, no Jo? Then sell as a kit....
+1:-)
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Sarap siguro gawin yan sa cnc, no Jo? Then sell as a kit....
Bilis niyan brader, salang ka lang ng fresh boards...
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Pwede iyan sa cnc ko... cut nang cut sa lagari.
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Pwede iyan sa cnc ko... cut nang cut sa lagari.
Nakaka muscle yan cnc mo eh! ;D
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Hi! Any leads where I could buy Mark Audio drivers in HK? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Hi! Any leads where I could buy Mark Audio drivers in HK? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Sir, try this....
Hong Kong SAR
Contact Markaudio: Email: [email protected]
10 Fung Yip St Hong Kong
+852 2575 0232
http://www.markaudio.com/Dealers (http://www.markaudio.com/Dealers)
https://www.google.com.ph/maps/place/Markaudio/@22.267679,114.244796,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x87490be98a9356d (https://www.google.com.ph/maps/place/Markaudio/@22.267679,114.244796,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x87490be98a9356d)
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Sir, try this....
Hong Kong SAR
Contact Markaudio: Email: [email protected]
10 Fung Yip St Hong Kong
+852 2575 0232
http://www.markaudio.com/Dealers (http://www.markaudio.com/Dealers)
https://www.google.com.ph/maps/place/Markaudio/@22.267679,114.244796,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x87490be98a9356d (https://www.google.com.ph/maps/place/Markaudio/@22.267679,114.244796,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x87490be98a9356d)
Thank you, sir.
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"Published on Sep 7, 2014
Mark @ Meniscus Audio set up a blind test for variety of full range drivers. Audience members narrowed down the bunch to the Dayton RS100 and the Mark Audio Alpair 7. Mark Audio won the shootout."
Video showing the competing drivers here:
http://youtu.be/Ri1FMK7zTdg (http://youtu.be/Ri1FMK7zTdg)
The Alpair 7.3 emerged as the favorite going up against drivers from Tang Band, Fostex, Dayton Audio, Fountek, etc. 8)
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http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/264885-alpair-7-wins-shoot-out.html#post4122008
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May isang mama dyan magiging happy ang christmas! psst, nandito na sa pinas ang Alpair 10P mo sir ;) 8)
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Woooooohooooooooo!
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Congrats!
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Brader Jo! dumating na rin sa pinas yung para sa atin 8) >:D
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Congrats!
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Brader Jo! dumating na rin sa pinas yung para sa atin 8) >:D
Happiness! Thanks brader! 8)
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MiniDSP ba ang mga iyan?
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Hindi pa ..... pero sana yun na ang susunod!
Congrats deist and JojoD! Busy and Xmas ninyo!
MiniDSP ba ang mga iyan?
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AK4399 DAC modules, XMOS USB cards & R-core traffos. MiniDSP is still in future plans pa ;)
MiniDSP ba ang mga iyan?
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Thanks sir! burning-in ka na ba? 8)
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MiniDSP ba ang mga iyan?
DAC bro, new gear for the coming New Year! 8)
(Baka di na umabot ng Christmas eh, dami pila :()
Hindi pa ..... pero sana yun na ang susunod!
Congrats deist and JojoD! Busy and Xmas ninyo!
Salamats! Btw, the last time kami nagkausap ni Cal sa January na daw sched ang St Rose field trip, ok with you? I really need to hear your setup before we proceed with the operation...
At ano yan bago mo burn-in? Dami mo burn-in ah? ;D ;D ;D Congrats! 8)
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AK4399 DAC modules, XMOS USB cards & R-core traffos. MiniDSP is still in future plans pa ;)
aka Asahi Kasei Microdevices miracle DAC... sarap isipin na meron na din ako... ;)
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Well ........ Ang nakasalang sa burner ay ang mga pato ;) ;) ;) Susunod na ang papel na nagmamaneho >:D
Thanks sir! burning-in ka na ba? 8)
At ano yan bago mo burn-in? Dami mo burn-in ah? ;D ;D ;D Congrats! 8)
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Uyy!!!! dumating na ang Geek Pulse! parinig naman nyan sir O0
Well ........ Ang nakasalang sa burner ay ang mga pato ;) ;) ;) Susunod na ang papel na nagmamaneho >:D
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Meron na rin tayo brader hehe at that acquisition price, we'll not go wrong ;)
aka Asahi Kasei Microdevices miracle DAC... sarap isipin na meron na din ako... ;)
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Well ........ Ang nakasalang sa burner ay ang mga pato ;) ;) ;) Susunod na ang papel na nagmamaneho >:D
Actually isa yan sa mga parts na masarap sa hobby na ito... Happy times na naman yan! 8) 8) 8)
Meron na rin tayo brader hehe at that acquisition price, we'll not go wrong ;)
And coming from that chip manufacturer and that board designer... kaya hindi na ako nagdalawang isip pa brader... ;)
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Correct brader!
And coming from that chip manufacturer and that board designer... kaya hindi na ako nagdalawang isip pa brader... ;)
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Pagbutihan niyo iyan. Share lang kasi ng dac ang two systems ko
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Gino, the parts in this pic for a single DAC: the module, XMOS USB card & R-core traffo is the same price as ODAC ;)
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Para naman hindi OT, for the DIYers, pls watch this video & consider what this guy is saying:
http://youtu.be/f_DbZ_KVFiI
http://youtu.be/XrYgidBkyCE
:)
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Well that video advice worked for my room. I placed the speakers and the listening spot on the 1/3 lines of the room. Bigger bass. More body in vocals. Midbass is spankin'.
For my 10x19 room, the speakers are now up close and visually wider apart. My stage limits are wider than my back wall. This gave me more definition of elements as they are spaced farther apart.
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/ginopunsalan/Home%20Audio/Setup%202013%202a3/WideRoomFB_zpse3510638.jpg)
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/ginopunsalan/References/RoomPOVPanorama_zps72860bb4.jpg)
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awesome shots! ganda pa ng room... ;)
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Ganda ng room, relaxing color & lighting. I like the window wooden grills, instant sound diffuser ;)
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I really like the new speaker placement. Bass without a sub. I enjoyed today's listening session. Salamat Deist sa youtube link.
I almost didn't bother. I said, my system sounds fine why bother. Then I figured nothing lost if I tried. So I moved things around. Boom. Liked what I heard. My only "upgrade" in over a year.
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I really like the new speaker placement. Bass without a sub. I enjoyed today's listening session. Salamat Deist sa youtube link.
I almost didn't bother. I said, my system sounds fine why bother. Then I figured nothing lost if I tried. So I moved things around. Boom. Liked what I heard. My only "upgrade" in over a year.
And your cheapest upgrade! Congrats, Gino! :)
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Oo nga. Watching how Deist's and JojoD's dac pans out.
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Minsan magugulat ka talaga na simple placement of speakers can produce a very noticeable improvement in sound. Kaya before deciding to upgrade play with placement muna, do a proper assessment of your room & gear, then do your research well before deciding on a DIY build.
I really like the new speaker placement. Bass without a sub. I enjoyed today's listening session. Salamat Deist sa youtube link.
I almost didn't bother. I said, my system sounds fine why bother. Then I figured nothing lost if I tried. So I moved things around. Boom. Liked what I heard. My only "upgrade" in over a year.
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Mukhang matagal-tagal pa ang feedback, we decided to take this slowly pero definitely we will report our findings here :)
Oo nga. Watching how Deist's and JojoD's dac pans out.
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OK lang. Haba pa naman to do list ko.
Nagsubmit na ako ng info for room analysis sa Acoustic Fields.
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Pls let us know the result of your correspondence with AF, brader.
Nagsubmit na ako ng info for room analysis sa Acoustic Fields.
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Lagpak ang 10' x 19' x 8' room ko kay Dennis Foley. Tama ang decision ko not to do room treatments. Useless pala.
"Hi Gino,
Thanks for sending in your room measurements for analysis. Unfortunately your room is too small to reproduce a good quality sound.
These three video's I made explain why this is so and why I think it's better for you in the long term if you are able to find a bigger room:
http://youtu.be/ZH9KGaOK4CQ
http://youtu.be/hVtVH7dCI20
http://youtu.be/bE-bxMxQSpE
Thanks
Dennis
www.acousticfields.com"
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Lagpak ang 10' x 19' x 8' room ko kay Dennis Foley. Tama ang decision ko not to do room treatments. Useless pala.
"Hi Gino,
Thanks for sending in your room measurements for analysis. Unfortunately your room is too small to reproduce a good quality sound.
These three video's I made explain why this is so and why I think it's better for you in the long term if you are able to find a bigger room:
http://youtu.be/ZH9KGaOK4CQ
http://youtu.be/hVtVH7dCI20
http://youtu.be/bE-bxMxQSpE
Thanks
Dennis
www.acousticfields.com"
Watched the videos.
Very informative!
Reco niya na 17W x 23L x 10H na room is 391 sq ft or roughly 36sqm as a room size minimum (wala pang height nun)!
Shet! Bagsak din room ko! Lumipat kaya ako!
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Yes a lot of room here lagpak. A room.smaller than ideal doesn't have the space for the necessary treatment for 70-80% improvement in response. I like the guy's honesty.
He told me the painful truth. For perfection I need a new room. We can treat a small room but problems will always be there. There are sounds you simply cannot hear.
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Watching his videos na iba din.
Masakit marinig pero galing niya.
He speaks the truth (based on MEASURABLE facts) but still says that he understands the predicament of people who have no choice in their room situation and that while it is possible to improve rooms incrementally, you must operate in the notion that what you're doing isn't optimal if you want something close to perfect.
I like his no nonsense empathy with people struggling with small rooms. Better to operate knowing if and when your upgrades will matter.
Husay.....
Pati yung trade offs honest siya.
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All of the recording studio booths I work with lagpak din. These are smaller than our rooms. I wonder how they get the mix right. That's because there are good local mixes. But then again, a lot will be heard in poor systems and rooms he he.
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Lagpak din ang square-ish room ko dyan for sure. But we have to make do with what we have. For now what we need to think of when deciding on future projects is how not to make the situation worse.
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You are right. That is why I haven't gone into anything I couldn't understand. Puro gear selection and speaker placement ako. But I am relieved to know the truth. Better to put time and resources on things that can be fixed.
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Lagpak din ang square-ish room ko dyan for sure. But we have to make do with what we have. For now what we need to think of when deciding on future projects is how not to make the situation worse.
Correct. Marami namang compromises talaga sa audio. And minsan, kahit may science di naman 100% guarantee na gaganda tunog. Siguradong may tweaks pa rin. Yun nga lang, sa science may reference ka.
My room is also very small compared to my very large horns and the dimensions of the room and speaker placement are compromised. Hangga doon lang kasi ang magagawa - room treatments and all. But I love what I'm hearing and also the people that visited my place. Kung wala akong room treatments, palagay ko puro echo madidinig ko.
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I watched the videos and his other videos... Very informative esp for small rooms that most of us have, be it dedicated or other areas of our home. He mentioned that even at small room still needs to be treated at least to minimize the room's effect.
Can I suggest to sir Gino to create a thread exclusive for this subject?
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I totally agree, knowing the truth & accepting it somehow lets your mind be at peace...for NOW! >:D >:D O0
But I am relieved to know the truth. Better to put time and resources on things that can be fixed.
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I remember the day I ended car audio. JC sat in my car. Listened. Said car was too noisy. That was it. Stripped my car audio and flew RC helicopters.
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hahaha same here, in my case add the glass covering half of the car 360 degrees as one of the reasons ;D ;D
I remember the day I ended car audio. JC sat in my car. Listened. Said car was too noisy. That was it.
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Share ko lang..alpair 12 in trapezoid onken enclosure kuno.. ;D..currently burn in period palang and di pa fully furnish ung box..masaya naman ako sa naririnig ko lalo na pag tube amp ung ginagamit ko..
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/b1931c5f-9c2e-409f-b37a-18c9d63dbfc6_zps2ab68b4a.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/b1931c5f-9c2e-409f-b37a-18c9d63dbfc6_zps2ab68b4a.jpg.html)
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That is looking very nice.
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Merry Christmas Full Rangers! 8)
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Saw dust for Christmas.
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Merry Christmas Full Rangers! 8)
Uuy,,kasama ako dyan...likewise thank thank you...ang babait ninyo... ;D
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Uuy,,kasama ako dyan...likewise thank thank you...ang babait ninyo... ;D
;D ;D ;D
Saw dust for Christmas.
Baby G builds for me... ;)
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These are nice!very good enclosure choice. Mahirap ba gawin sir? From the feedbacks I read, you might need to integrate subs for low freq support. Burn in for 100hrs and then go with normal listening level,but definitely sound will improve later on. We've heard sound refinement pa rin when our drivers reached 400hrs na.
Share ko lang..alpair 12 in trapezoid onken enclosure kuno.. ;D..currently burn in period palang and di pa fully furnish ung box..masaya naman ako sa naririnig ko lalo na pag tube amp ung ginagamit ko..
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/b1931c5f-9c2e-409f-b37a-18c9d63dbfc6_zps2ab68b4a.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/b1931c5f-9c2e-409f-b37a-18c9d63dbfc6_zps2ab68b4a.jpg.html)
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Merry Christmas everyone! :)
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Merry Xmas and a Happy 2015 to all Mark Audio fans!
Mark Audio made 2014 a fruitful audio year for me ...... For giving me the speaker I like without breaking the bank!
I just hope this would be the same for amplificarion components for 2015! My Audio journey continues.....
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Aba. Ano mga targets this year?
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1. Will try the 10P
2. A new amp or preamp to suit MA drivers
3. Room treatment tweaks for better transparency
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Nice goals.
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Uy bago tong plano na to ah! Pabulong sir what you have in mind O0
1. Will try the 10P
2. A new amp or preamp to suit MA drivers
3. Room treatment tweaks for better transparency
I totally agree with this, and another great thing for me is; I didn't have to hide this upgrade to my wife. She also agreed that this is the best audio related purchase I have made performance-to-price wise ;)
Merry Xmas and a Happy 2015 to all Mark Audio fans!
Mark Audio made 2014 a fruitful audio year for me ...... For giving me the speaker I like without breaking the bank!
I just hope this would be the same for amplificarion components for 2015! My Audio journey continues.....
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Share ko lang..alpair 12 in trapezoid onken enclosure kuno.. ;D..currently burn in period palang and di pa fully furnish ung box..masaya naman ako sa naririnig ko lalo na pag tube amp ung ginagamit ko..
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/b1931c5f-9c2e-409f-b37a-18c9d63dbfc6_zps2ab68b4a.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/b1931c5f-9c2e-409f-b37a-18c9d63dbfc6_zps2ab68b4a.jpg.html)
Nice build.. Congrats!
Planning to do same enclosure (onken) for my 15" driver but different brand and configuration.
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Nice listening session yesterday over at JoeyGS' place. Good music, good food & some good fun chit chat 8) O0
Brader Jojo, Brader frootloops & Brader Ctjader - ano naman ang masasabi nyo sa walang kakwenta-kwentang markaudio drivers >:D ;)
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Ako maliit lang at mura lang .... pero..... ::)
Nice listening session yesterday over at JoeyGS' place. Good music, good food & some good fun chit chat 8) O0
Brader Jojo, Brader frootloops & Brader Ctjader - ano naman ang masasabi nyo sa walang kakwenta-kwentang markaudio drivers >:D ;)
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Nice listening session yesterday over at JoeyGS' place. Good music, good food & some good fun chit chat 8) O0
Brader Jojo, Brader frootloops & Brader Ctjader - ano naman ang masasabi nyo sa walang kakwenta-kwentang markaudio drivers >:D ;)
....and the never heard stories!:P
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SQ wise maraming tatalunin na mas mamahalin yang F.A.S.T. setup mo sir O0
Ako maliit lang at mura lang .... pero..... ::)
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hahaha pero kalokohan aside, what I liked most was your own "Cal Tjader Story". IMO every son or daughter of a true audiophile/music lover should have a story like that to share to friends ;)
....and the never heard stories!:P
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Nice listening session yesterday over at JoeyGS' place. Good music, good food & some good fun chit chat 8) O0
Brader Jojo, Brader frootloops & Brader Ctjader - ano naman ang masasabi nyo sa walang kakwenta-kwentang markaudio drivers >:D ;)
Was driving home today and the song "I'm All About That Bass" was playing on the radio... can't help but smile.
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The sad part after listening to a speaker as wonderful as this...is that i can't take the sinigang, taco and roast chicken out of my head. :D
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LOL!
The sad part after listening to a speaker as wonderful as this...is that i can't take the sinigang, taco and roast chicken out of my head. :D
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So Jojo ..... time to line up your MA project! Enjoy the speaker while our ears are still 20/20. Magtatampo si Mark Fenlon sa iyo niyan. Suggest the Pensil box para may bass na.
Was driving home today and the song "I'm All About That Bass" was playing on the radio... can't help but smile.
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Well I still have to work some tweaks on my subs though to be more purist in sound. Anyway, most of the music out there are being taken cared of by the main MA speakers na.
SQ wise maraming tatalunin na mas mamahalin yang F.A.S.T. setup mo sir O0
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So Jojo ..... time to line up your MA project! Enjoy the speaker while our ears are still 20/20. Magtatampo si Mark Fenlon sa iyo niyan. Suggest the Pensil box para may bass na.
Sa dami ng pinadala niyo ni braders Cal and Donnel na gagawin eh malamang hanggang line up muna ang MA project ko huhuhu... Pero I'm very happy to have an extended listening time with your MAs, enough to answer and satisfy my personal questions.
Hindi naman matampuhin yan, antay ko MA woofers niya baka sakali pwede yun pang "technical" purposes. ;D
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Hahaha it should go together, busog ang tenga busog din ang tyan >:D
The sad part after listening to a speaker as wonderful as this...is that i can't take the sinigang, taco and roast chicken out of my head. :D
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Yung 12PW? papadalhan ka ni Mark? anak ng....!!!!!! >:D
Hindi naman matampuhin yan, antay ko MA woofers niya baka sakali pwede yun pang "technical" purposes. ;D
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Hahaha it should go together, busog ang tenga busog din ang tyan >:D
Never listen with an empty stomach... sayang ang gears pag gutom... :)
Kaya kahit havainas patulan na... ;D
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Yung 12PW? papadalhan ka ni Mark? anak ng....!!!!!! >:D
Ssshhh... ;D
Gusto ko yun No.6 but still in r&d. Pero I refused muna di maasikaso brader, ito muna chr70 ang uunahin ko. Madali naman kausap yan si Mark. :)
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One thing I really liked with the MA drivers we tested was the way it presents the high frequencies. Extended and IMHO no need for a super tweeter, but most of all, the response complements the midband and low frequencies just right. It is there and I heard it, but it wasn't too exemplified to the point of being tiring to listen to.
Good job! Galing kasi ng gumawa ng box at kable eh... ;)
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..... At yung nagbigay ng stuffing! Hay naku, yon ang di ninyo alam na secreto diyan.
Good job! Galing kasi ng gumawa ng box at kable eh... ;)
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Hohohooooy! Sali ako diyan!
But it would be nice if there would be x-overs only for the bass driver and the HF/MF driver is left x-overless.
Ssshhh... ;D
Gusto ko yun No.6 but still in r&d. Pero I refused muna di maasikaso brader, ito muna chr70 ang uunahin ko. Madali naman kausap yan si Mark. :)
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Brader Joey's set up is a perfect example of team effort, how many heads were involved? 4? 8 balls is better than 2. Galing!
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..... At yung nagbigay ng stuffing! Hay naku, yon ang di ninyo alam na secreto diyan.
ay, relyenong bangus lang alam ko pag stuffing ang pinagusapan... ;D
Hohohooooy! Sali ako diyan!
But it would be nice if there would be x-overs only for the bass driver and the HF/MF driver is left x-overless.
Siyempre naman! ;D
In fairness to the designer, I wouldn't preempt the applications just yet. Ninanamnam pa ang r&d eh. ;D
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Sali na rin yung mga tumulong sa DIYAudio ..... daming balls niyan!
Brader Joey's set up is a perfect example of team effort, how many heads were involved? 4? 8 balls is better than 2. Galing!
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san na si deist? balls na usapan... karate chop agad! >:D
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Kidding aside .... The lessons that I can share from the exercise are:
Apart from the excellent drivers of Mr Audio,
1. use a box design that is properly designed and computed for the driver. use good box material with less resonance or add internal bracing to control box resonance as needed.
2. study the stuffing and lining recommendations from the box designer. learn from previous builders' experience
3. use appropriate stuffing/lining materials
4. the removable panel is a must for tuning the stuffing. ensure the box is sealed at the driver and at the removable panel
5. tune the speakers thru listening up to the recommended break-in process and period
6. follow proper and recommended speaker placement in room for optimum adjustment in tuning
7. last thing to do after tuning is completed and burn-in process is done, is to apply cosmetics to the speaker for aesthetic purposes
Hope I have not forgotten anything......
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..... Ah! ..... gotta have a lot of Patience! and enjoy the break-in and tuning process!
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These are nice!very good enclosure choice. Mahirap ba gawin sir? From the feedbacks I read, you might need to integrate subs for low freq support. Burn in for 100hrs and then go with normal listening level,but definitely sound will improve later on. We've heard sound refinement pa rin when our drivers reached 400hrs na.
Sorry Sir ngayon ko lang nabalikan ung post ko na to...mejo mahirap pero napagtyagaan ding natapos...mejo salat pa kmi sa tools e..pero pag kumpleto tools mo, mas madali...
sa experience ko nung narating ko ung 100 hours at nagsimula akong mag introduce ng songs na may bass, masasabi kong kuntento na ko sa low freq niya...not to mention na BS lang tong enclosure ko (12x14x16)..how much more siguro kung FS, malamang mas maganda.
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That will still improve when you reach the 400 hours mark. That is the time that the suspension system has settled in and you will notice that music flows easily out from the speaker and you will be realizing more gain. With the broken-in suspension, the driver cone can move quickly and respond more efficiently with the incoming audio signal. The bass will be more tight and tuneful after the break-in period. For now, you can already enjoy whats coming out of the speaker.
Sorry Sir ngayon ko lang nabalikan ung post ko na to...mejo mahirap pero napagtyagaan ding natapos...mejo salat pa kmi sa tools e..pero pag kumpleto tools mo, mas madali...
sa experience ko nung narating ko ung 100 hours at nagsimula akong mag introduce ng songs na may bass, masasabi kong kuntento na ko sa low freq niya...not to mention na BS lang tong enclosure ko (12x14x16)..how much more siguro kung FS, malamang mas maganda.
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Same case with my experience, I also enjoyed the speaker after 100 hours and was satisfied with the bass output. It also depends on the music material you are playing. Most music genres does not output 20hz. Only if you have music materials that needs 30-20hz output then that's the time you will be needing the support of a sub-woofer capable of such frequencies.
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Anak ng!...balls na pala usapan...eto taekwondo flying kick! kaachaaaa! ;D
san na si deist? balls na usapan... karate chop agad! >:D
Sali na rin yung mga tumulong sa DIYAudio ..... daming balls niyan!
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100% agree!
And to add: study the basics, the theory & principles if you are serious in pursuing the DIY route. learn to walk before you run ika nga. I realized now that this is a long journey and it's not a race ;)
..... Ah! ..... gotta have a lot of Patience! and enjoy the break-in and tuning process!
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joesat, napalabas ko bass ng bookshelf ko by using rule of thirds speaker placement. If possible sa room mo, test the method.
If you don't already know, divide the length of the room into 3. At first division you lay the speakers. At 2nd division you put your head. Pero wag mo pugutin. Try to form an equilateral triangle. Wag lang sagad sa side walls.
I've tested this method in two rooms hear and I am very pleased.
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Nice! mga nabasa kong feedback about that enclosure is mas maganda ang details compared to regular bass reflex box mainly because of the alignment & port design. Gaya ng sabi ni JoeyGS, hintay ka ng 400hours & definitely may improvement pa sa sound ;)
Also, I would suggest to use good quality wires for internal cabinet cables, I was using braided CAT5e wires then switched to Cal's (Ctjader here in pdvd) & it made a big difference sa sound (mainly on highs). You can get from other sources naman baka isipin ng iba kinukulam ka namin :D our objective here is to share our experience with MA drivers & build 8)
Sorry Sir ngayon ko lang nabalikan ung post ko na to...mejo mahirap pero napagtyagaan ding natapos...mejo salat pa kmi sa tools e..pero pag kumpleto tools mo, mas madali...
sa experience ko nung narating ko ung 100 hours at nagsimula akong mag introduce ng songs na may bass, masasabi kong kuntento na ko sa low freq niya...not to mention na BS lang tong enclosure ko (12x14x16)..how much more siguro kung FS, malamang mas maganda.
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Tama...
to add ...... do not make the distance to the sidewall and to the front wall equal. Move along the one-third line in small increments until you get the best sound. Tapos toe-in or toe-out as needed .... but mostly toe-in
joesat, napalabas ko bass ng bookshelf ko by using rule of thirds speaker placement. If possible sa room mo, test the method.
If you don't already know, divide the length of the room into 3. At first division you lay the speakers. At 2nd division you put your head. Pero wag mo pugutin. Try to form an equilateral triangle. Wag lang sagad sa side walls.
I've tested this method in two rooms hear and I am very pleased.
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"pero wag mo pugutin"...hehehhe..natawa ako dito... ;D
Sir Joey and deist, thanx sa advise and recommendations. For sure ipapasok ko sa ulo ko mga yan...pero "di ko bubutasan ulo ko ha!?"...heheheh
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Tanong ka lang brader ...... libre naman......
"pero wag mo pugutin"...hehehhe..natawa ako dito... ;D
Sir Joey and deist, thanx sa advise and recommendations. For sure ipapasok ko sa ulo ko mga yan...pero "di ko bubutasan ulo ko ha!?"...heheheh
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@joesat: he he he
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Sali na rin yung mga tumulong sa DIYAudio ..... daming balls niyan!
The powers that be over there knew about my skepticism and usual "reservation" when it comes to feedback and recommendation. I've always maintained an it's a "YMMV" thing and "personal satisfaction" stance.
Sadly, my affiliation also limits my personal reactions and views. It's a price one pays when you are in the know and do not want to attract unnecessary attention that may cause unwanted (sometimes never ending) debates. Another "J" once told me, "who needs drama if the product is selling?".
In this case, and on a personal note, I am happy to have come last Sunday and was very satisfied overall.
Once again, congrats and a job well done to all involved in the project.
Cheers!
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I take this as a stamp of approval from you Master Jo? ;)
The powers that be over there knew about my skepticism and usual "reservation" when it comes to feedback and recommendation. I've always maintained an it's a "YMMV" thing and "personal satisfaction" stance.
Sadly, my affiliation also limits my personal reactions and views. It's a price one pays when you are in the know and do not want to attract unnecessary attention that may cause unwanted (sometimes never ending) debates. Another "J" once told me, "who needs drama if the product is selling?".
In this case, and on a personal note, I am happy to have come last Sunday and was very satisfied overall.
Once again, congrats and a job well done to all involved in the project.
Cheers!
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I take this as a stamp of approval from you Master Jo? ;)
Very much YES brader... though these are my personal opinion, I can now safely conclude this drivers in their respective boxes are winners. They sure sound big for a relatively small package.
Last Sunday made me remember the height I experienced with them huge Lansing and JBL laden VOTT setups which to this day is a true keeper imho. Larry (camoteque) is a lucky guy who still has the chance to play with those.
Anyway, I'm keeping my MA drivers until that day when I can build a house with a dedicated audio room. ;)
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Very much YES brader... though these are my personal opinion, I can now safely conclude this drivers in their respective boxes are winners. They sure sound big for a relatively small package.
Last Sunday made me remember the height I experienced with them huge Lansing and JBL laden VOTT setups which to this day is a true keeper imho. Larry (camoteque) is a lucky guy who still has the chance to play with those.
Anyway, I'm keeping my MA drivers until that day when I can build a house with a dedicated audio room. ;)
JojoD,
I'm just plain lucky that my wife allows me to have a small space for my "big" speakers. She had, in fact, instructed the kasambahay never to trespass my space or otherwise she might get electrocuted.
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JojoD,
I'm just plain lucky that my wife allows me to have a small space for my "big" speakers. She had, in fact, instructed the kasambahay never to trespass my space or otherwise she might get electrocuted.
Bro kumusta. Lucky for you, as for me I don't have the space anymore... too many gears, most of which are not mine pa. Though I'm still happy I get to play with them even without the need to own one.
Yes it is wise to instruct others not to meddle with our setups especially for safety. I give my kids mini-seminars so they know the reason why it's off limits. Watch, listen - yes, but no touch. :)
I still wish to own "big" speakers again, but I'm already satisfied to know that I have a realistic choice with these MA drivers.
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Hindi uubra sa 1.5yr old daughter ko yan! ;D kinurot na nga yung cone ng 10Ps ko buti na lang walang effect aa sound. Curiosity magnet yung white paper cone ng MAs, yung pamangkin ng wife ko nalingat lang ako saglit nahuli ko sa akto hahawakan yung cone,napasigaw ako e,nagulat sya ;D Nasa loob na ng home ofc ko yang speakers sa lagay na yan,paano pa kung nasa sala haha
Yes it is wise to instruct others not to meddle with our setups especially for safety. I give my kids mini-seminars so they know the reason why it's off limits. Watch, listen - yes, but no touch. :)
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Kailngan no ng metal grill para protection sa mga curious!
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Kaya nga dun sa "2015 wishlist" thread ni Mark sa DA isa ako sa nagsuggest ng OEM grills for his drivers.mahirap pa sa enclosure gawin ang covers & will introduce more issues like diffraction + resonance if mali ang design.
Yung mga nakikita kong aftermarket grills mostly panget & for car audio application. Sana MA can come up with screw on type that will use the same holes of the driver's frame.
Kailngan no ng metal grill para protection sa mga curious!
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Kailngan no ng metal grill para protection sa mga curious!
minsan naiwanan ko bukas ang pinto ng listening room, pagbalik ko nakatingala yung pusa namin sa CHR-70. mukhang attractive sa kanya yong champagne color ^-^
so ok talaga pagnagkaroon ng protection grill, plan ko pa naman 10p rin this year.
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minsan naiwanan ko bukas ang pinto ng listening room, pagbalik ko nakatingala yung pusa namin sa CHR-70. mukhang attractive sa kanya yong champagne color ^-^
so ok talaga pagnagkaroon ng protection grill, plan ko pa naman 10p rin this year.
inaykupo... buti hindi nanggigil yun pusa, ang talas pa naman ng mga kuko niyan... dito dremel ko mga kuko ng pusa ng mga anak ko eh.. ;D
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sir,ang dami ng kasong ganyan shared sa diyaudio. Favorite nga din ng pusa...go go go sa 10P & share with us your build story :)
minsan naiwanan ko bukas ang pinto ng listening room, pagbalik ko nakatingala yung pusa namin sa CHR-70. mukhang attractive sa kanya yong champagne color ^-^
so ok talaga pagnagkaroon ng protection grill, plan ko pa naman 10p rin this year.
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inaykupo... buti hindi nanggigil yun pusa, ang talas pa naman ng mga kuko niyan... dito dremel ko mga kuko ng pusa ng mga anak ko eh.. ;D
all around talaga kayo sir, marunong din pala kayo mag-manicure :D
sir,ang dami ng kasong ganyan shared sa diyaudio. Favorite nga din ng pusa...go go go sa 10P & share with us your build story :)
champagne gold kasi, medyo kakulay ng salmon ^-^... sure thing sir, pero baka late this year na, kakatapos lang ng AN FR ko eh.
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all around talaga kayo sir, marunong din pala kayo mag-manicure :D
maglaba, magluto, at mamalantsa din sir... ;D
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maglaba, magluto, at mamalantsa din sir... ;D
yan ang uliran na tatay :D
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Ahaha baka nga kaya gusto sya ng pusa :D
Now worries brader, take your time in building it hindi naman karera yan basta do your research & tanong ka lang dito if you're not sure about anything or you need suggestions O0
champagne gold kasi, medyo kakulay ng salmon ^-^... sure thing sir, pero baka late this year na, kakatapos lang ng AN FR ko eh.
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The grill need not be sophisticated. It will just protect the drivers when they are left alone and when just leisurely listening. But during serious listening sessions this can be removed.
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What grill? ^-^
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a616/estuardela02/SAM_1198_zps3281405c.jpg)
pogi talaga ng speaker mo brad. O0
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Hohohooooooy! Naga-selfie siya!
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Hey guys, just in case anyone here's interested, I'm disposing of my DIY OB enclosure that I used for burning in MA drivers. Here's the link:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,198237.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,198237.0.html)
Para hindi OT, Sadly, due to time conflicts, until now, I still haven't 100% finished my MA enclosure. Nagagamit na, but the finishing stage was the punishing part :p
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Hi RXV .... Am interested on this and have reserved on your thread.. Thanks
Hey guys, just in case anyone here's interested, I'm disposing of my DIY OB enclosure that I used for burning in MA drivers. Here's the link:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,198237.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,198237.0.html)
Para hindi OT, Sadly, due to time conflicts, until now, I still haven't 100% finished my MA enclosure. Nagagamit na, but the finishing stage was the punishing part :p
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Ganda ng color no brader Donnel!
May big brader yan, the Alpair 10.3M ;)
(https://misterwireless.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/img_0027.jpg)
What grill? ^-^
pogi talaga ng speaker mo brad. O0
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Kind of you sir RXV :)
Hey guys, just in case anyone here's interested, I'm disposing of my DIY OB enclosure that I used for burning in MA drivers. Here's the link:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,198237.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,198237.0.html)
Para hindi OT, Sadly, due to time conflicts, until now, I still haven't 100% finished my MA enclosure. Nagagamit na, but the finishing stage was the punishing part :p
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Ganda ng color no brader Donnel!
May big brader yan, the Alpair 10.3M ;)
(https://misterwireless.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/img_0027.jpg)
Very elegant but eye-catching :)
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Kind of you sir RXV :)
Thanks sir Deist. If only I have time now to finally finish my Alpair 10P enclosure. Pati protective grills din hindi ko pa magawa. I need to machine mill it pa kasi para swak na swak. I tried once and I failed by a few mm, hindi na fit :P
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Same here, mas mahirap talaga gumawa ng grills kesa sa pensil box. If I have all the tools siguro nagawa ko na matagal na. The ones for car audio naman requires drilling sa baffles. Ayoko naman ng half baked work mabubuwisit lang ako everytime makikita sya hahaha
I found a better solution though....lock the door to my home office/listening room ;) ^-^ >:D
Thanks sir Deist. If only I have time now to finally finish my Alpair 10P enclosure. Pati protective grills din hindi ko pa magawa. I need to machine mill it pa kasi para swak na swak. I tried once and I failed by a few mm, hindi na fit :P
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Dito, bawal ang helpers sa home office and sa dedicated room ko. I clean them myself.
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Ganda ng color no brader Donnel!
May big brader yan, the Alpair 10.3M ;)
huwaw! Tantalizing to the eyes (and ears) talaga brader Anton. That we need to hear very soon. :)
Napapaisip tuloy ako....
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brader,hindi sa akin yang speakers sa ha,nakuha ko lang yang pic sa interweb. Gusto ko lang ipakita sa'yo big brother hehe :)
huwaw! Tantalizing to the eyes (and ears) talaga brader Anton. That we need to hear very soon. :)
Napapaisip tuloy ako....
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Dito, bawal ang helpers sa home office and sa dedicated room ko. I clean them myself.
Wala kami helper so the kids help me out with the cleaning. Natutuwa naman ako kasi alam nila ang pwede galawin at hindi. Maski si bunso na super kulit wala pa naman sinusundot o binabaril na speaker cone. ;D ;D ;D
Sobra lang dami ng gears ngayon dito, nun isang araw halos mamilipit ako sa sakit nun natisod ako sa pinadala AVR ni brader Donnel... talo yun hinlilit ko sa paa waaaah! ;D
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Iyan ang training.
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huwaw! Tantalizing to the eyes (and ears) talaga brader Anton. That we need to hear very soon. :)
Napapaisip tuloy ako....
Brad ang sarap niyan sa inyo, na-imagine ko na playing smooth 80's genre on a Sunday morning while eating Havainas... :)
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Naalala ko lang...
About 2 years ago, I was able to meet sir Stark3 and I got to audition his Mark Audio speakers using my setup. Great sounding speakers.
Here is his DIY thread: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162110.msg1637312.html#msg1637312
Here is a link showing my impression about his speakers: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162110.msg1677872.html#msg1677872
I wonder kung ano na ang nangyari sa kanya. Hindi na nya naituloy yung thread nya. I haven't heard from him since then.
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Thanks for sharing. Exciting build.
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Naalala ko lang...
About 2 years ago, I was able to meet sir Stark3 and I got to audition his Mark Audio speakers using my setup. Great sounding speakers.
Here is his DIY thread: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162110.msg1637312.html#msg1637312
Here is a link showing my impression about his speakers: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162110.msg1677872.html#msg1677872
I wonder kung ano na ang nangyari sa kanya. Hindi na nya naituloy yung thread nya. I haven't heard from him since then.
I was able to read that thread when it was posted, I was also able to meet him in person, ghe is the very first guy I met in pdvd. we share the same pasion in music. we even consulted each other for the parts we intend to put on some of our amplifier/speaker builds. I am really very curious where he is now? He lives in San Juan and works as I.T. guy in makati. Asan na kaya tong si Daniel?
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Don't wonder. Send him a PM. ;)
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Don't wonder. Send him a PM. ;)
he is no longger active here in pdvd, its more than a year since he logged in.
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He also posted this sa DIYaudio, interesado ako dun sa planet10 EnaBl-ed Fostex 126en 8)
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I am curious with how the Enabl'd 126EN differs from my 126EN. I am not convinced those tatoos and duct seal do anything.
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Anytime you add mass to the speaker cone it will have an effect to the sound, now whether the effect is good or bad that's what I want to find out also :)
I am curious with how the Enabl'd 126EN differs from my 126EN. I am not convinced those tatoos and duct seal do anything.
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MarkAudio is leaving diyAudio...
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Might have something to do with those measurement issues. Very sad.
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MarkAudio is leaving diyAudio...
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/270408-markaudio-leaves-diyaudio.html (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/270408-markaudio-leaves-diyaudio.html)
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Sad indeed. Hope we can still follow him whichever forum site he goes to.
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http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/270408-markaudio-leaves-diyaudio.html (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/markaudio/270408-markaudio-leaves-diyaudio.html)
Hindi ko naman sinusundan yung thread ng MA sa diyaudio, pero tama ba ang intindi ko that nabura/nawala na yung MA thread sa diyaudio?
Ah.
Well, I respect your decision Mark. If it had become more trouble to you on many levels than it was worth, there was no point in you or MA staying here. It is very unfortunate that the only driver manufacturer who took the trouble to interact with end users has now left DIYAudio ; also a terrible shame that it has also inevitably resulted in the loss of hundreds of threads with useful data, designs, ideas etc. Not a happy day for DIYAudio.com
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Sir Larry, that has been brewing since last year. May mga members na galit kay Mark, one I particularly recall is: isang member nasira nya ang MA drivers nya dahil sa maling mounting, di ginamitan ng pilot holes kaya kumayod ang screws nabasag ang frame. From his tone sinisi nya Markaudio for not putting instructions how to install & asking for a replacement, tinabla ni Mark dahil magkakaroon nga naman ng precedent. Since then, that member went bashing MA drivers na. Then nagkampihan na yung ibang may "issue" rin kay Mark. Mapapansin mo naman dun sa "objective comparison" thread na may mga 4 or 5 members na talagang mob mentality na. Yung nag-start ng thread if you will believe hasn't build a "proper" speaker enclosure, lahat ng post nya puro made out of foamcore boards. Ang gamit nya is $20 mic, a laptop and a freeware in his measurements. Draw your own conclusions ;) :)
May mali rin naman si Mark, minsan masyado syang defensive about his products na tumatalon sya beyond his own MA thread to call out somone. Can't blame him, he loves his products. I think it was a good decision to leave DIYaudio and start his own forum under markaudio.com. His drivers are well regarded in Japan, competing with their local Fostex in terms of sales. In fact the CHN-70 which was in question sa measurement thread was made specifically for the Japanese market, nag-request lang yung ibang kano & canucks na irelease din sa NA. Na-stress na rin siguro si Mark, lalo na may colon cancer sya. The last thing he needs is a few know-it-all to add to his everyday battle.
Might have something to do with those measurement issues. Very sad.
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Yup tinanggal na nila Jason.
Sana nga ibalik kahit naka lock. Sayang yung wealth of info na accumulate.
Hindi ko naman sinusundan yung thread ng MA sa diyaudio, pero tama ba ang intindi ko that nabura/nawala na yung MA thread sa diyaudio?
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Yes sir geriboy, mawawala na lahat pero ililipat daw sa markaudio.com
Hindi ko naman sinusundan yung thread ng MA sa diyaudio, pero tama ba ang intindi ko that nabura/nawala na yung MA thread sa diyaudio?
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Hope Mark makes a forum in his own website......
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Sayang nga, ang daming builds dun na pwedeng pagkunan ng inspiration lalo na ng mga bago sa DIY.
Sayang yung wealth of info na accumulate.
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...... And especially yung mga insights ng mga speaker manufacturers na tumutulong kay Mark
Sayang nga, ang daming builds dun na pwedeng pagkunan ng inspiration lalo na ng mga bago sa DIY.
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Sila na nga ang inaaway nung mga galit kay Mark dahil sila nagpapaliwanag about MA drivers' characteristics ;D ;) seriously, ang tibay ni Dave dun sa "objective measurement thread". Nagiisa sya laban sa mga bashers haha
Si Bob Brines matagal ng inayawan yung mga kolokoy, si Scott di na raw sya mag-engage sa mga non-sense post. Si ChrisB tahimik lang.
...... And especially yung mga insights ng mga speaker manufacturers na tumutulong kay Mark
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Kung mababasa niyo lang yun mga posts (yun nabura na at yun eventually binura din)... hay...
...... And especially yung mga insights ng mga speaker manufacturers na tumutulong kay Mark
wala na ba? nababasa ko pa yun mga threads, unless alisin na sa server pag nag maintenance.
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Wala na. Goodbye thread na lang..
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Wala na. Goodbye thread na lang..
Sige sabihin ko kay Jason baka pwede salvage yun mga useful threads, magkausap kami now.
Update:
Sorry, unavoidable circumstances makes it a no joy on the threads.
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Hindi ko naman sinusundan yung thread ng MA sa diyaudio, pero tama ba ang intindi ko that nabura/nawala na yung MA thread sa diyaudio?
pinakialaman ni Mark yung thread ng isang member
na gustong magtesting ng speakers...
hindi nya dapat ginawa yon, out of line sya doon,
moderator lang sya sa kanyang binayarang forum,
hindi sya dapat nakikialam sa mga public threads...
king me reklamo dapat sa management, kay Jason...
ayaw ni Mark na me pumupuna sa gawa nya....
parang si Rod Elliot din, ayaw nya me magpost ng mga drawings nya,
gusto nya links lang...
hindi ko masyadong nasubaybayan ito, pag vendors' forum na
hindi ako nakikialam, stay away ika nga...
masuerte tayo dito, walang nagrereklamo about IP...
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Sige sabihin ko kay Jason baka pwede salvage yun mga useful threads, magkausap kami now.
Update:
Sorry, unavoidable circumstances makes it a no joy on the threads.
na reconstruct na ni wintermute yung original thread since last night...
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me nakapagbulong sa akin dun sa kabilang thread,
hindi raw maganda itong mark drivers pag off axis na,
ano impressions nyo dun sa mga nakagawa na?
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Hindi pinakialaman ni Mark yung measurement thread sir, ni hindi nga sya nag-comment dun. Ang sinagot nya is another topic, yung tanong nung isang member na may Markaudio CHN-70 driver na balak gamitin sa pick up truck, he posted the same question sa MA thread & full range section. Pina-delete ni Mark sa moderator yung sa full range thread kasi duplicate topic & he felt na mas masasagot ng MA thread since mas maraming may experience doon using the same drivers.
Sabi nung member, naisipan nya ilagay sa pick up truck dahil in his experiment experiment nilapag nya mababa sa floor ang speakers then oriented it up-firing. Mas 3D daw ang image & may phantom center compared to ear level, dun na sumagot yung isang member na nag-start ng "objective measurement" thread and posted a link to his measurement findings and stating the VIFA TC9FD model is the best among its class. Syempre papatalo ba si Mark, nagkainitan na sila :)
I know all this kasi subscribed ako sa both threads as I frequently comment sa MA & full range threads sa diyaudio. I receive email notifications whenever a new reply is posted.
pinakialaman ni Mark yung thread ng isang member
na gustong magtesting ng speakers...
hindi nya dapat ginawa yon, out of line sya doon,
moderator lang sya sa kanyang binayarang forum,
hindi sya dapat nakikialam sa mga public threads...
king me reklamo dapat sa management, kay Jason...
ayaw ni Mark na me pumupuna sa gawa nya....
parang si Rod Elliot din, ayaw nya me magpost ng mga drawings nya,
gusto nya links lang...
hindi ko masyadong nasubaybayan ito, pag vendors' forum na
hindi ako nakikialam, stay away ika nga...
masuerte tayo dito, walang nagrereklamo about IP...
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Not true, off axis is where they shine best. If you are using full range drivers you know for a fact that no one likes to listen to it on-axis kasi meron talagang hot spot most of them. I've listened to my Alpair 10P both on & off axis, I've tried all speaker placements you can imagine, the best is 15 degrees off axis.
me nakapagbulong sa akin dun sa kabilang thread,
hindi raw maganda itong mark drivers pag off axis na,
ano impressions nyo dun sa mga nakagawa na?
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Not true, off axis is where they shine best. If you are using full range drivers you know for a fact that no one likes to listen to it on-axis kasi meron talagang hot spot most of them. I've listened to my Alpair 10P both on & off axis, I've tried all speaker placements you can imagine, the best is 15 degrees off axis.
good to know....;)
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Hindi pinakialaman ni Mark yung measurement thread sir, ni hindi nga sya nag-comment dun. Ang sinagot nya is another topic, yung tanong nung isang member na may Markaudio CHN-70 driver na balak gamitin sa pick up truck, he posted the same question sa MA thread & full range section. Pina-delete ni Mark sa moderator yung sa full range thread kasi duplicate topic & he felt na mas masasagot ng MA thread since mas maraming may experience doon using the same drivers.
Sabi nung member, naisipan nya ilagay sa pick up truck dahil in his experiment experiment nilapag nya mababa sa floor ang speakers then oriented it up-firing. Mas 3D daw ang image & may phantom center compared to ear level, dun na sumagot yung isang member na nag-start ng "objective measurement" thread and posted a link to his measurement findings and stating the VIFA TC9FD model is the best among its class. Syempre papatalo ba si Mark, nagkainitan na sila :)
I know all this kasi subscribed ako sa both threads as I frequently comment sa MA & full range threads sa diyaudio. I receive email notifications whenever a new reply is posted.
hindi ganito ang tingin ng mga mods doon...
issues like these are discussed in the back room and deliberated upon
and when a consensus is reached at unanimous ang hatol,
then action is taken....
and in the case of paid forums like that of Mark's
Jason is on top of things, his word is law...
Jason and Mark talked on skype about this and had a good talk...
let us wait for things to cool down a bit...
i am sure those threads will be still accessible in the future
unless Mark ask them to be taken down....
the real issue there was that Mark poked his finger in the public threads,
outside of his paid for forum where he had no moderator powers...
he was out of line doing that...that was agreed upon by mods...
update: Mark agrees to archive his threads so that they are still accessible...
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Eto ang mali ni Mark, he asked the mods to close the duplicate thread in full range sub forum which they did. Ang ginawa nya he created a new thread sa MA section then copy-paste the comments of the member who started the "objective measurement" topic and hinamon nya ng one-on-one discussion. Hindi naman sumagot yung member pero yung iba nagreklamo sa mods.
May bad blood na yang mga yan last year pa and it's the same group of people who are overly critical with MA drivers because they've had issues with it before. When they questioned Mark about it mostly ang gist ng sagot ni Mark is "I know what I'm doing" or "You're an amateur, i'm an expert". Ang katwiran ni Mark; if you are seeking clarification PM or email me because some of my answers might be a business/industry secret. It's a cultural thing din e, Briton si Mark (but based in Hong Kong) and I personally know how they differ to Americans in terms of perception.
Mark is not the best salesman but I love how he ask DIYers for input in developing his products. He is the only speaker designer to my knowledge who does that.
hindi ganito ang tingin ng mga mods doon...
issues like these are discussed in the back room and deliberated upon
and when a consensus is reached at unanimous ang hatol,
then action is taken....
and in the case of paid forums like that of Mark's
Jason is on top of things, his word is law...
Jason and Mark talked on skype about this and had a good talk...
let us wait for things to cool down a bit...
i am sure those threads will be still accessible in the future
unless Mark ask them to be taken down....
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"naisipan nya ilagay sa pick up truck dahil in his experiment experiment nilapag nya mababa sa floor ang speakers then oriented it up-firing."
Digress lang kaunti for people's info. My friend did this floor mount on his Civic using another brand. Boxes were false floors. One speaker was mounted on the driver's side. The other on the passenger side. The theory being the sound reflected off the windshield. Compared to stock door mounts, the sound path was longer. The longer paths of the floor mounted speakers had less discrepancy with each other compared to the door mounted speakers. Mas equal ang time alignment.
The result was very distant, focused images down to bass. I was blown away at that time. I never achieved that in my car.
Now back to regular programming.
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Eto ang mali ni Mark, he asked the mods to close the duplicate thread in full range sub forum which they did. Ang ginawa nya he created a new thread sa MA section then copy-paste the comments of the member who started the "objective measurement" topic and hinamon nya ng one-on-one discussion. Hindi naman sumagot yung member pero yung iba nagreklamo sa mods.
May bad blood na yang mga yan last year pa and it's the same group of people who are overly critical with MA drivers because they've had issues with it before. When they questioned Mark about it mostly ang gist ng sagot ni Mark is "I know what I'm doing" or "You're an amateur, i'm an expert". Ang katwiran ni Mark; if you are seeking clarification PM or email me because some of my answers might be a business/industry secret. It's a cultural thing din e, Briton si Mark (but based in Hong Kong) and I personally know how they differ to Americans in terms of perception.
Mark is not the best salesman but I love how he ask DIYers for input in developing his products. He is the only speaker designer to my knowledge who does that.
i do not know why they are like that in the speakers forums...
can't take criticisms, perhaps because they are protecting their bottom line...
even David Dicks got banned over a year ago, some mods were of the opinion
that he was worse than Mark...i have to admit i am not much of a speaker guy
to follow all of these, but things just don't happen at diyaudio,
no single moderator can make big decisions by himself, only the site owner can do that..
we moderators work on consensus so unless majority consensus is reached
we do not take action...simple as this...
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"naisipan nya ilagay sa pick up truck dahil in his experiment experiment nilapag nya mababa sa floor ang speakers then oriented it up-firing."
Digress lang kaunti for people's info. My friend did this floor mount on his Civic using another brand. Boxes were false floors. One speaker was mounted on the driver's side. The other on the passenger side. The theory being the sound reflected off the windshield. Compared to stock door mounts, the sound path was longer. The longer paths of the floor mounted speakers had less discrepancy with each other compared to the door mounted speakers. Mas equal ang time alignment.
The result was very distant, focused images down to bass. I was blown away at that time. I never achieved that in my car.
Now back to regular programming.
this is the point, if you purchased his speaker,
you have the right to use it in any manner that pleases you.....
no one can tell you otherwise...there are no magic in speakers,
but magic it seems to me is in how you use those speakers...
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Tsk tsk.. sayang.. sayang yung mga archived builds kung mawawala..
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na reconstruct na ni wintermute yung original thread since last night...
ang sayang yun mga build threads... helpful sa mga gusto mag umpisa.
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ang sayang yun mga build threads... helpful sa mga gusto mag umpisa.
hintay hintay lang tayo, maayos rin yan sa huli,
matrabaho nga lang para sa mods,
nagprisinta na sa Dave, planet10,
at pumayag na rin si Mark na ma-archive yung mga threads nya,
kaya hindi mawawala...
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me nakapagbulong sa akin dun sa kabilang thread,
hindi raw maganda itong mark drivers pag off axis na,
ano impressions nyo dun sa mga nakagawa na?
dapat mapakinggan mo pala kasi Mark may not be a very good salesman but he is an excellent driver designer.
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hintay hintay lang tayo, maayos rin yan sa huli,
matrabaho nga lang para sa mods,
nagprisinta na sa Dave, planet10,
at pumayag na rin si Mark na ma-archive yung mga threads nya,
kaya hindi mawawala...
mainit pa nga... may iba feeling ko finger on the trigger pa.. tsk...
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ganyan naman talaga, malay mo magbago pa isip ni Mark,
meron mga posters doon na sumumpang hindi na ulit magpopost at
lalayasan ang diyaudio, mero naroon pa rin hanggang ngayon at patuloy na nagpopost...
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sa huli, biktima si Mark ng "series of unfortunate events", technical (forum related) and political...
afaik, hindi siya nakialam sa threads sa labas ng section niya, yun mga duplicate threads nun i-merge bumagsak sa MA forum (tough luck), eh siyempre sa kanya forum yun so he saw it fit to do "cleanup" which includes splitting, editing... at dun na nagkalokoloko...
although super mainitin din ang ulo niyan, pero hindi naman crackpot kamukha nun isang designer na na-ban.
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The speakers section in diyaudio is where some of the most "colorful" threads can be found ;D
From my observation quite a few members were put off by David's over the top pitching & pushing of his products. And to make it worse his free box designs were questioned and deemed not optimized for his drivers...I emailed him a few years ago inquiring about a particular driver, he replied to my emails, seemed like a nice guy, his answers are so good that the experience was like walking into a hi-fi store, it was just too much for me ;)
i do not know why they are like that in the speakers forums...
can't take criticisms, perhaps because they are protecting their bottom line...
even David Dicks got banned over a year ago, some mods were of the opinion
that he was worse than Mark...i have to admit i am not much of a speaker guy
to follow all of these, but things just don't happen at diyaudio,
no single moderator can make big decisions by himself, only the site owner can do that..
we moderators work on consensus so unless majority consensus is reached
we do not take action...simple as this...
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ganyan naman talaga, malay mo magbago pa isip ni Mark,
meron mga posters doon na sumumpang hindi na ulit magpopost at
lalayasan ang diyaudio, mero naroon pa rin hanggang ngayon at patuloy na nagpopost...
palagay ko hindi na siguro... tsaka dapat nag eenjoy na lang siya sa buhay niya ngayon at di na pinapainit pa ang ulo...
grabe naman, pero babalik din yan baka magpapalit lang ng account... diyaudio is diyaudio, para sa mga techies wala pa din kapalit yan.
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Correct brader, may build thread din kami ni brader Joey dun. I can humbly say na dun ako natuto about FRs & DIY ;) 8)
ang sayang yun mga build threads... helpful sa mga gusto mag umpisa.
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The speakers section in diyaudio is where some of the most "colorful" threads can be found ;D
From my observation quite a few members were put off by David's over the top pitching & pushing of his products. And to make it worse his free box designs were questioned and deemed not optimized for his drivers...I emailed him a few years ago inquiring about a particular driver, he replied to my emails, seemed like a nice guy, his answers are so good that the experience was like walking into a hi-fi store, it was just too much for me ;)
and colorful people too, reminds me of streten.....
lucky for me i do not frequent those threads, specially vendors' or paid for threads...
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The speakers section in diyaudio is where some of the most "colorful" threads can be found ;D
From my observation quite a few members were put off by David's over the top pitching & pushing of his products. And to make it worse his free box designs were questioned and deemed not optimized for his drivers...I emailed him a few years ago inquiring about a particular driver, he replied to my emails, seemed like a nice guy, his answers are so good that the experience was like walking into a hi-fi store, it was just too much for me ;)
I believe the reason is he DOES NOT use T/S parameters. And the usual solution being offered is stuffing enough damping materials to make a large pillow.
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grabe naman, pero babalik din yan baka magpapalit lang ng account... diyaudio is diyaudio, para sa mga techies wala pa din kapalit yan.
hindi lulusot kay SY at wintermute ang ganyang gawain,
yung sockpuppet catcher sa site nahuhuli ang me more than one accounts
at yung mga dati ng nabanned, kahit magpalit ng identity huli pa rin...
unless siguro magpalit sila ng location, meaning mag abroad....
pero malupit yung ibang mga mods, alam nila sa posting style pa lang huli na...
pero nakukuha naman sa magandang usapan ang lahat...
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;D ;D
I believe the reason is he DOES NOT use T/S parameters. And the usual solution being offered is stuffing enough damping materials to make a large pillow.
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sa huli, biktima si Mark ng "series of unfortunate events", technical (forum related) and political...
afaik, hindi siya nakialam sa threads sa labas ng section niya, yun mga duplicate threads nun i-merge bumagsak sa MA forum (tough luck), eh siyempre sa kanya forum yun so he saw it fit to do "cleanup" which includes splitting, editing... at dun na nagkalokoloko...
although super mainitin din ang ulo niyan, pero hindi naman crackpot kamukha nun isang designer na na-ban.
kung hindi sya nakialam sa isang public thread, hindi nangyari ang nangyari,
he took matters into his own hands na wala syang authority kaya he suffered
the consequences of his actions...ito ang consensus ng mods at agreed upon by Jason...
but water under the bridge na ito...learning lesson na rin kay Mark....
yung Audio Nirvana gawang Taiwan, yung Mark audio ba saan gawa?
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Kapag sya na ang sumagot simula na ma-derail na ang topic :D
and colorful people too, reminds me of sreten.....
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hindi lulusot kay SY at wintermute ang ganyang gawain,
yung sockpuppet catcher sa site nahuhuli ang me more than one accounts
at yung mga dati ng nabanned, kahit magpalit ng identity huli pa rin...
unless siguro magpalit sila ng location, meaning mag abroad....
pero malupit yung ibang mga mods, alam nila sa posting style pa lang huli na...
pero nakukuha naman sa magandang usapan ang lahat...
Sa CIA o NSA yata nagtatrabho mga yan, galing manghuli. I think more on psychological evaluation yun style ng panghuhuli nun iba, kung baga sa kilos pa lang huli ka na.
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sorry po....:D can't resist that...
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Markaudio is made in Hong Kong sir but they have their own facility, they also make OEM drivers for some european audio companies...AN on the other hand is outsourced in Taiwan by OEM company Guide Sound: http://www.gui-sound.com/
yung Audio Nirvana gawang Taiwan, yung Mark audio ba saan gawa?
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hinid kaya at one time nag inquire sa Dai-ichi ang mga yan?
Dave, planet 10 has used dai-ichi FR speakers and says that he liked them...
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kung hindi sya nakialam sa isang public thread, hindi nangyari ang nangyari,
he took matters into his own hands na wala syang authority kaya he suffered
the consequences of his actions...ito ang consensus ng mods at agreed upon by Jason...
but water under the bridge na ito...learning lesson na rin kay Mark....
yung Audio Nirvana gawang Taiwan, yung Mark audio ba saan gawa?
sinabi ni Dave na hindi nakialam si Mark, nagkataon lang na yun merge topics sa MA bumagsak and Mark did his thing. kaso lang mainit na lahat, hindi lang members, pati mga mods. plus saving face na kasi ang daming naging error in judgement.
I still see Mark as a victim, pero sabi mo nga water under the bridge na and so it is. yan gusto ko sa DA, pag may hatol na tapos na agad.
Sa HK China gawa ang MA, kaya nandun nakatira si Mark to supervise manufacturing process.
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Markaudio is made in Hong Kong sir but they have their own facility, they also make OEM drivers for some european audio companies...AN on the other hand is outsourced in Taiwan by OEM company Guide Sound: http://www.gui-sound.com/
if they used cheap labor from mainland china, they can sell speakers at very competitive price...
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hinid kaya at one time nag inquire sa Dai-ichi ang mga yan?
Dave, planet 10 has used dai-ichi FR speakers and says that he liked them...
may sariling planta si Mark eh so i doubt it.
ok naman dai-ichi ah, gumagamit din ako niyan.
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may sariling planta si Mark eh so i doubt it.
ok naman dai-ichi ah, gumagamit din ako niyan.
yes, AFAIK, they are sunning Martin Logans there...bantay sarado ng lang kaya walang overuns na pwedeng mabile...
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Same observation here, mainit na lang din talaga si Mark dun sa members: xrk & pnix dahil talagang biased. Then yung iba nakakita lang ng graphs & measurements mob mentality mode na tsk tsk
Last year pa nagsasabi si Mark na aalis na sya sa diyaudio dahil nakakadagdag daw sa physical condition nya ang stress nung pagsagot sa ibang members, ngayon natuluyan na.
sinabi ni Dave na hindi nakialam si Mark, nagkataon lang na yun merge topics sa MA bumagsak and Mark did his thing. kaso lang mainit na lahat, hindi lang members, pati mga mods. plus saving face na kasi ang daming naging error in judgement.
I still see Mark as a victim, pero sabi mo nga water under the bridge na and so it is. yan gusto ko sa DA, pag may hatol na tapos na agad.
Sa HK China gawa ang MA, kaya nandun nakatira si Mark to supervise manufacturing process.
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Yes, may sariling planta and a recently remodeled $20K anechoic chamber.
may sariling planta si Mark eh so i doubt it.
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if they used cheap labor from mainland china, they can sell speakers at very competitive price...
Hindi na cheap ang labor sa China, in fact, halos tablado na sa US ang labor cost. So what's keeping manufacturers to manufacture in China?
Two words, supply chain.
If you need a million gaskets, it's just next door warehouse, if you need a million screws, it's just a block away, if you need anything else, it's within reach. No interstate taxes to worry about, no arguments, no headaches.
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Exactly, kaya nag-plateau na rin ang economic growth nila.
Hindi na cheap ang labor sa China, in fact, halos tablado na sa US ang labor cost. So what's keeping manufacturers to manufacture in China?
Two words, supply chain.
If you need a million gaskets, it's just next door warehouse, if you need a million screws, it's just a block away, if you need anything else, it's within reach. No interstate taxes to worry about, no arguments, no headaches.
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Exactly, kaya nag-plateau na rin ang economic growth nila.
Yun ang BOOM talaga... wala kasing arte eh.
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yes, AFAIK, they are sunning Martin Logans there...bantay sarado ng lang kaya walang overuns na pwedeng mabile...
yup, they were at the right place, at the right time. kaya nilamon nila ang Micro at AudioVox. laking pasalamat nila sa Pyle Driver at Cerwin Vega.
in hindsight, pasalamat din tayo kasi naging maganda design and quality ng drivers nila.
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Guys, i'm also giving away 2 pairs of my acoustic foams to be installed immediately behind the your Mark Audio Speakers, inside the box. The only "kapalit" is, i want you to make a review of the absorber installed. You can pick it up sa house ko. my mobile number is 0917-6262588.
Thanks guys!
edited: for Mark Audio speaker owners.
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PM'd you sir Nelson :)
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PM'd you sir Nelson :)
Wala ako sir na-receive na PM.
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Re-sent :)
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2 pairs so 4 pcs.
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Got it sir. You may get your pair kung kailan ninyo gusto.
2 pairs so 4 pcs.
Yup!!! A pair for each owner.
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Gino, test mo na sa fullrange mo :)
I really need to finish my enclosure finishing. Baka ito an ang magpipilit sa akin na tapusin na ito :)
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Desktop boxes ko nga virgin pa ang screw holes. I wanted the screws to go in just one time he he. Eh alam mo naman ang DIY. It's never finished.
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Desktop boxes ko nga virgin pa ang screw holes. I wanted the screws to go in just one time he he. Eh alam mo naman ang DIY. It's never finished.
+1000! :)
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Tukayo,
Sana meron din free box? Para kumpleto na... may MA drivers ako dito eh... >:D :P
:-* :-* :-*
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Tukayo,
Sana meron din free box? Para kumpleto na... may MA drivers ako dito eh... >:D :P
:-* :-* :-*
Jo, if you are willing to send your MA's for testing... free box pag nabuo.........
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Jo, if you are willing to send your MA's for testing... free box pag nabuo.........
Swerte naman! Sama niyo na ang free acoustic foam ni sir Nelson :)
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Tukayo,
Sana meron din free box? Para kumpleto na... may MA drivers ako dito eh... >:D :P
:-* :-* :-*
Jo, if you are willing to send your MA's for testing... free box pag nabuo.........
Ayan naman oh! May driver na, may free enclosure na kung ipapa-hiram, may acoustic absorber na din! But wait, there's more! May session pa sana courtesy of bro Timber. Or pwede din naman dito sa house ko.
Entonces, all tukayo have to do is get the absorbers dito sa house and diretso pahiram na kay bro Timber and drivers.
Sounds like a plan!
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Jo, if you are willing to send your MA's for testing... free box pag nabuo.........
Timbs... Can I drop it off at Binondo when I'm in the area? Test as long as you want, no time limit....
Thanks brader!
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Swerte naman! Sama niyo na ang free acoustic foam ni sir Nelson :)
In some instances... the solution just presents itself... ;D
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Ayan naman oh! May driver na, may free enclosure na kung ipapa-hiram, may acoustic absorber na din! But wait, there's more! May session pa sana courtesy of bro Timber. Or pwede din naman dito sa house ko.
Entonces, all tukayo have to do is get the absorbers dito sa house and diretso pahiram na kay bro Timber and drivers.
Sounds like a plan!
I'll holler when I can swing by tukayo, it could take some time though as time is a rare commodity for me now but we shall get there... Thanks!
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I too have a pair of drivers waiting to be boxed til the plywood becomes available.
Will the foam be for box resonance control or for box tuning?
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I too have a pair of drivers waiting to be boxed til the plywood becomes available.
Will the foam be for box resonance control or for box tuning?
Initially to control the backwaves from the driver inside the box. Effects supposedly is clearer mids and tighter lows. We'll soon find out kapag natapos na ang box ni Timber.
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I too have a pair of drivers waiting to be boxed til the plywood becomes available.
Will the foam be for box resonance control or for box tuning?
Joey, the plywood source said they have no plans at this time to import 3/4" plywood. Consider using what is available which is 1" thick.... Super solid and super heavy as well.
Doesn't really look bulky naman.... Eto sample cabinet for the boss, lalagyan ng server ng opis nila.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/19BF4207-9388-41FC-8150-77073F309DE5_zpskz6jkr6q.jpg)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/285B1431-AEF5-4895-A2EC-4F42E3F618AA_zpsutdvcywo.jpg)
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Sayang, kung malapit lapit lang ako I would definitely grab this opportunity, I seldom go to QC nowadays.
Kudos to sir Nelson for this offer 8)
Guys, i'm also giving away 2 pairs of my acoustic foams to be installed immediately behind the your Mark Audio Speakers, inside the box. The only "kapalit" is, i want you to make a review of the absorber installed. You can pick it up sa house ko. my mobile number is 0917-6262588.
Thanks guys!
edited: for Mark Audio speaker owners.
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Ako I'll go with 1" over 3/4 and just adjust the box external dimensions accordingly. Importante naman is the internal dimension which is the "tuning" of the box.
Joey, the plywood source said they have no plans at this time to import 3/4" plywood. Consider using what is available which is 1" thick.... Super solid and super heavy as well.
Doesn't really look bulky naman.... Eto sample cabinet for the boss, lalagyan ng server ng opis nila.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/19BF4207-9388-41FC-8150-77073F309DE5_zpskz6jkr6q.jpg)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/285B1431-AEF5-4895-A2EC-4F42E3F618AA_zpsutdvcywo.jpg)
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The function will be more of "dampening" the back pressure from the cone's movement ;)
I too have a pair of drivers waiting to be boxed til the plywood becomes available.
Will the foam be for box resonance control or for box tuning?
Initially to control the backwaves from the driver inside the box. Effects supposedly is clearer mids and tighter lows. We'll soon find out kapag natapos na ang box ni Timber.
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Hayyy!!! brader Jo, kung sususwertehin ka nga naman! Ayan, wala ka ng excuse to procrastinate the building of your MA speakers ;)
Jo, if you are willing to send your MA's for testing... free box pag nabuo.........
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Acoustic foam should be absorbing 500hz up. This should minimize comb filtering due to direct and secondary reflections (sides, top and bottom). Applied on the back, it should absorb direct sound and reflected sound off the sides, top and bottom. Applied on sides, top and bottom too, should result in more absorption. But it displaces box volume.
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For MA drivers, my experience and the community's recommendation is to provide at the top, sides (at speaker cone area only) and at the back panel (also at the speaker cone area only). The rest of the volume space will be provided with loose fiber fill to tune the sound output depending on the quantity/density.
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Sige let's go with the 1". We'll just maintain the internal volume as specified in the drawings.
Thanks for the info update.
Joey, the plywood source said they have no plans at this time to import 3/4" plywood. Consider using what is available which is 1" thick.... Super solid and super heavy as well.
Doesn't really look bulky naman....
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Hayyy!!! brader Jo, kung sususwertehin ka nga naman! Ayan, wala ka ng excuse to procrastinate the building of your MA speakers ;)
Kita mo naman brader, nagtanong lang naman ako baka sakali meron kasamang box - akalain mo meron nga! ;D
The luck is having friends like you guys. Makukulit at masaya. ;)
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Sige let's go with the 1". We'll just maintain the internal volume as specified in the drawings.
Thanks for the info update.
I also vote for the 1". :)
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Joey, the plywood source said they have no plans at this time to import 3/4" plywood. Consider using what is available which is 1" thick.... Super solid and super heavy as well.
Doesn't really look bulky naman.... Eto sample cabinet for the boss, lalagyan ng server ng opis nila.
Imho, napaganda pa nga na walang 3/4" and 1" lang ang available. Blessing in disguise na yan, I vote for 1".
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Imho, napaganda pa nga na walang 3/4" and 1" lang ang available. Blessing in disguise na yan, I vote for 1".
1" is the sweetspot!
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Kita mo naman brader, nagtanong lang naman ako baka sakali meron kasamang box - akalain mo meron nga! ;D
The luck is having friends like you guys. Makukulit at masaya. ;)
Wala bang willing magbigay ng FREE M.A. drivers diyan?
(Nagbabasakali lang baka may biglang maging generous hahaha)
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MDF pwede din tukayo.
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The MA community have tried and tested several types of wood and Birch ply provided the best results.
MDF pwede din tukayo.
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MDF is a good material, some say that it is more "dead" than any plywood but the problem is most MDF uses formaldehyde as a binding agent. Working with it, inhaling the dust and fumes is more hazardous than solid wood or ply.
MDF pwede din tukayo.
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Hintay hintay lang tayo baka meron din mag-offer ;)
Wala bang willing magbigay ng FREE M.A. drivers diyan?
(Nagbabasakali lang baka may biglang maging generous hahaha)
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Wala bang willing magbigay ng FREE M.A. drivers diyan?
(Nagbabasakali lang baka may biglang maging generous hahaha)
Hahaha pwede pwede... thinking out loud lang naman... ;D
MDF is a good material, some say that it is more "dead" than any plywood but the problem is most MDF uses formaldehyde as a binding agent. Working with it, inhaling the dust and fumes is more hazardous than solid wood or ply.
I know it's "denser" than any plywood but I didn't knew that it's a hazmat pala. :(
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The MA community have tried and tested several types of wood and Birch ply provided the best results.
Birch plywood is best, per hirap kasi i-source e pati wala yatang 4'x8' size. For my enclosure, I used Sta. Clara marine plywood, which is being used for boats. It's so heavy/dense, I swear kasing bigat (if not, even heavier) than 4'x8' MDF. Di ako nagsisisi sa choice ko.
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At least there is an alternative choice and good that you are happy with the results.
Birch plywood is best, per hirap kasi i-source e pati wala yatang 4'x8' size. For my enclosure, I used Sta. Clara marine plywood, which is being used for boats. It's so heavy/dense, I swear kasing bigat (if not, even heavier) than 4'x8' MDF. Di ako nagsisisi sa choice ko.
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Hi RXV, that's a good alternative. I've heard of Santa Clara ply, madalas i-recommend ng mga boat makers yan. Sa mga putol mo wala ka bang nakitang voids between plies?
Where did you buy yours & how much? TIA :)
Birch plywood is best, per hirap kasi i-source e pati wala yatang 4'x8' size. For my enclosure, I used Sta. Clara marine plywood, which is being used for boats. It's so heavy/dense, I swear kasing bigat (if not, even heavier) than 4'x8' MDF. Di ako nagsisisi sa choice ko.
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Used film faced plywood on my last build.
Even ang surface, very stiff, 13 ply , dense -no void, 18mm thk ^-^
(http://www.qdgoldluck.com/uploadfile/13%20plies%20film%20faced%20plywood.jpg)
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^ That's nice, para ngang void free...Parehong sides ba film faced? I think it's called "phenolic plywood" here in PH.
Used film faced plywood on my last build.
Even ang surface, very stiff, 13 ply , dense -no void, 18mm thk ^-^
(http://www.qdgoldluck.com/uploadfile/13%20plies%20film%20faced%20plywood.jpg)
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sir deist, yes phenolic board, parehong sides.
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Used film faced plywood on my last build.
Even ang surface, very stiff, 13 ply , dense -no void, 18mm thk ^-^
(http://www.qdgoldluck.com/uploadfile/13%20plies%20film%20faced%20plywood.jpg)
pare how much yung ganitong board and where can one get it? thanks.
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sir, marami naka-advertise sa OLX.ph....phenolic plywood / board
available din sa mga suking hardwares & lumber construction supplies
nasa P1200 - 1500 per 4'x8' sheet.
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Hi RXV, that's a good alternative. I've heard of Santa Clara ply, madalas i-recommend ng mga boat makers yan. Sa mga putol mo wala ka bang nakitang voids between plies?
Where did you buy yours & how much? TIA :)
Sta. Calara Plywood has a list of cerified sellers around Metro Manila. I had to get mine at Balintawak area pa. As far as I remember, Sta. Clara plywood is double the cost of regular plywood.
Yes, may voids pa rin, pero minimal lang, siguro 2-3%. A wood-knock test on my enclosure proves its density/rigidity.
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sir, marami naka-advertise sa OLX.ph....phenolic plywood / board
available din sa mga suking hardwares & lumber construction supplies
nasa P1200 - 1500 per 4'x8' sheet.
nice. thanks for this info bro. baka magawan ko na ng box yung an alnico ko :)
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Used film faced plywood on my last build.
Even ang surface, very stiff, 13 ply , dense -no void, 18mm thk ^-^
(http://www.qdgoldluck.com/uploadfile/13%20plies%20film%20faced%20plywood.jpg)
That is commonly used for making concrete forms.... They do not accept paint easily bec that is the nature of the laminate and the reason why it is used for the forms.
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Used film faced plywood on my last build.
Even ang surface, very stiff, 13 ply , dense -no void, 18mm thk ^-^
(http://www.qdgoldluck.com/uploadfile/13%20plies%20film%20faced%20plywood.jpg)
Sir, how did you apply wood glue to the adjoining areas kung may film na? Wood to wood kasi ang best adhesion di ba? Tinapyas mo pa ba ang film? or 45 degree cut? Or used another adhesive (construction adhesive, epoxy)?
Pero parang ok nga yang phenolic board, dahil may smooth finish na.
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A possible issue I see is with the reflective surface of the film/laminated face; if you are using it inside the speaker box, sound-waves will bounce back & forth.
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A possible issue I see is with the reflective surface of the film/laminated face; if you are using it inside the speaker box, sound-waves will bounce back & forth.
May solution jan. :D
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Acoustic foam?
May solution jan. :D
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The film is very thin, sanded [exposing the wood] the portion to be joined. Roughened the whole interior surface before application of lining. I'm experimenting only with different enclosures sizes & configuration. I work in a construction, have unlimited supplies of form plywood on site ;D.
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The film is very thin, sanded [exposing the wood] the portion to be joined. Roughened the whole interior surface before application of lining. I'm experimenting only with different enclosures sizes & configuration. I work in a construction, have unlimited supplies of form plywood on site ;D.
Nice, madali lang pala i-sand. Meron bang phenolic board na 1 sided film lang? para yung outer part lang yung may film finish
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If the film can be sanded down easily then that's good news! Thanks for the info bro.
I dont suggest lining the entire length of the box walls with foam, that will add mass to the internal volume and if the added mass wasnt taken into consideration when designing the box then it will alter the alignment, in other words mawawala sa tono ang kahon.
It might give an illusion of better bass but basically it's just bloated lows and at the expense of other frequency range mostly in mid highs to highs. Been there, done that ;)
The film is very thin, sanded [exposing the wood] the portion to be joined. Roughened the whole interior surface before application of lining. I'm experimenting only with different enclosures sizes & configuration. I work in a construction, have unlimited supplies of form plywood on site ;D.
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Same question ;D
Nice, madali lang pala i-sand. Meron bang phenolic board na 1 sided film lang? para yung outer part lang yung may film finish
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meron sirs, kaso ung availability sa atin....
meron nga na may film ung 1 face & rough naman on the other face.
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Back to the topic....
On my next build i'm contemplating on DBR
http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf (http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf)
http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf (http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf)
may nakasubok na ba nito....
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You could be the first one....... This would be nice - a big bookshelf
Will you be using the Alpair 7.3?
Back to the topic....
On my next build i'm contemplating on DBR
http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf (http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf)
http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf (http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/woden/MarkAudio-2xA7-DBR-290610.pdf)
may nakasubok na ba nito....
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@fredreadrick - meron akong nakitang build nyan, 2 X Alpair 7.3 copper color sa dating MA thread sa diyaudio, ginamit for monitoring sa studio. Ok daw, pumapalag sa high end genelec studio monitors.
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@fredreadrick - meron akong nakitang build nyan, 2 X Alpair 7.3 copper color sa dating MA thread sa diyaudio, ginamit for monitoring sa studio. Ok daw, pumapalag sa high end genelec studio monitors.
thank you sir, hanapin ko yan.
pero 12p na plan ko para wala ng "what if? ^-^
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thank you sir, hanapin ko yan.
pero 12p na plan ko para wala ng "what if? ^-^
For me, although the signature Markaudio sound is inherent in all of their drivers, there are sonic diiferences in sound per model, especially in metal vs paper material. I have both Alpair 10p (paper) and 7.3 (metal), and they exhibit slight differences in sound because of their material, each having their own strengths/highlights. It really depends on your listening preference
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Naku bro, mukhang hindi mo na makikita yung build since binura na lahat sa diyaudio ang MA threads when he left for good. Sayang talaga yung thread, ang daming nabalewalang build resouces.
If I may ask, ano ang goal mo for your MA build?
thank you sir, hanapin ko yan.
pero 12p na plan ko para wala ng "what if? ^-^
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@ RXV, I agree with this, take for example the Alpair 12P vs the Alpair 10M/10P, that is 8" vs 6" cone size. You might think that the 12P having a bigger cone diameter will produce more bass, that's not the case; the Alpair 10s is widely known in MA community to produce better lows while the 12P's edges the former in micro details.
Another example; Markaudio's metal cones vs Paper cones, it's easy to conclude that the metal cone will sound more "bright" if you consider the characteristics of both cone materials, not the case again, the paper coned 10P has a peak around 600hz (which can be seen in the published frequency response graph) giving it a more pronounced/forward vocals compared to the 10.3M.
For me choosing a specific MA driver boils down to the need of the application. With MAs it doesn't necessarily mean that bigger is better. I also like that Mark didn't enter the realm of magnet wars. This whole magnet craze for me is more of a marketing strategy. A specific type of magnet, like other rare metals has level of grades or quality. A low grade neodymium/alnico doesn't guarantee a staggering improvement in sound quality vs. a high grade ferrite magnet.
For me, although the signature Markaudio sound is inherent in all of their drivers, there are sonic diiferences in sound per model, especially in metal vs paper material. I have both Alpair 10p (paper) and 7.3 (metal), and they exhibit slight differences in sound because of their material, each having their own strengths/highlights. It really depends on your listening preference
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For me choosing a specific MA driver boils down to the need of the application. With MAs it doesn't necessarily mean that bigger is better. I also like that Mark didn't enter the realm of magnet wars. This whole magnet craze for me is more of a marketing strategy. A specific type of magnet, like other rare metals has level of grades or quality. A low grade neodymium/alnico doesn't guarantee a staggering improvement in sound quality vs. a high grade ferrite magnet.
I agree with this. Andaming nagsilabasan na neodymium magnet na speakers, pero average to poor reviews naman.
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If I may ask, ano ang goal mo for your MA build?
Sir,
I always listen to music...
Meron na akong AN Super 12 AlNiCo, very happy with it.
My experience with MA was CHR70 only. I asked myself "kung yung size & price ng CHR70 eh ang ganda ng tunog sa simpleng enclosure, ano pa kaya yung hi-end model?"
So why build another one? Aside from the pleasure of creating something that i'll enjoy, minsan naghahanap din ng ibang flavor.
Napa-dalawang isip ako dun sa reply mo kay sir RXV, nasagot yung mga questions sa isip ko. Thanks.
Mukhang back to drawing board uli kung anong driver kukunin ko ^-^
(http://s5.postimg.org/ym8yv0ulz/MA_Comparison.jpg)
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Sir,
I always listen to music...
Meron na akong AN Super 12 AlNiCo, very happy with it.
My experience with MA was CHR70 only. I asked myself "kung yung size & price ng CHR70 eh ang ganda ng tunog sa simpleng enclosure, ano pa kaya yung hi-end model?"
So why build another one? Aside from the pleasure of creating something that i'll enjoy, minsan naghahanap din ng ibang flavor.
Napa-dalawang isip ako dun sa reply mo kay sir RXV, nasagot yung mga questions sa isip ko. Thanks.
Mukhang back to drawing board uli kung anong driver kukunin ko ^-^
(http://s5.postimg.org/ym8yv0ulz/MA_Comparison.jpg)
Siguro sir, para hindi sayang time, effort and money ninyo, it's best to audition already built M.A. speaker/enclosures, para may basis ka na agad ng flavor ng gusto niyong M.A.
Audio Nirvanas are very nice indeed, narinig ko yung 8" dati ni sir Remington, lakas ng bass at puno ang details, paano pa kaya yung 12" ninyo? :)
Both ANs and MAs, although having the same FR characterisics, exhibit their own sonic signature. It really depends on your listening preference e.
I have Alpair 10Ps if you want to hear it. Although di pa tapos finishing. Masyadong busy hehe.
I also have Alpair 7.3s, but it will be placed in my car for near field listening (Also hindi pa tapos haha).
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Sir RXV, am working abroad right now so i have a lot of time to tinker with speaker boxes [kaysa sa kung ano2x ibang bisyo >:D]. After work - music lang, pag di mapakali bukas na nman ng enclosures dagdag/bawas ng stuffing, experiment with port size & length, paiba-iba ng speaker placement. Yan lang pampalipas ko ng oras dito at panlaban na rin homesick.
Pagbalik ko, for sure subukan ko audition yung mga builds nyo. Post nyo na lang muna kahit di pa tapos, inspiration din yan. Thanks
-Fred
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Keep on working on those MA drivers ....... Once tuned properly the speakers are very revealing and really shows what your components can bring.
To get bass from the 4-6" drivers, use the floor standers. You will have no problems on the mids and highs since Mark has built the drivers with very light materials which makes it so responsive. Bass can be produced thru the best box and right stuffing.
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Joey, have you ever seen a build ng 70.3 na hindi ported? If you have, would you know the internal volume it needs... Otherwise will probably port.
Also, why hasn't there been a build na centered ang speaker mounting? Or maybe I just missed it....
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Here's your sealed box: http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/P10free/mMarS-1v0-map-231009.pdf (http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/P10free/mMarS-1v0-map-231009.pdf)
What do you mean by centered speaker mounting?
Joey, have you ever seen a build ng 70.3 na hindi ported? If you have, would you know the internal volume it needs... Otherwise will probably port.
Also, why hasn't there been a build na centered ang speaker mounting? Or maybe I just missed it....
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Here's your sealed box: http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/P10free/mMarS-1v0-map-231009.pdf (http://www.frugal-phile.com/boxlib/P10free/mMarS-1v0-map-231009.pdf)
What do you mean by centered speaker mounting?
Thanks for the link...
Regarding the speaker placement, most if not all the designs have the speakers mounted higher than the centerline. Does this affect the sq or they just raised it?
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Bro, my question is more on the application you intend to use it. Desktop/stand-mount ba or floorstander? Are you planning to incorporate a sub with it in the future? If it will be a single point-source like your ANs please do us all a favor and go for the Alpair 10, your choice if you want the metal or paper and build the Frugel-Horn Mark 3 enclosure :D 8), specifically the left most in the pic below:
(http://p10hifi.net/FH/images/FHxl-FH3-P7.jpg)
Drivers in the pic are (from left to right): Alpair 10P EnAbled, Alpair 7P & Alpair 7.3. The enclosure for the Alpair 10P is called Frugel-Horn-XL or FHXL, it's supposed to produce extended, dynamic bass better than any other enclosure published for MA drivers while maintaining clarity in details in mids & highs. Since you said you have access to building materials, go for this na para naman makarinig ako ng MAs in frugel horn ;) 8) O0
But I like that you are trying different driver brands, every DIYer should do the same. I'm also checking out other brands for a future project.
Sir,
I always listen to music...
Meron na akong AN Super 12 AlNiCo, very happy with it.
My experience with MA was CHR70 only. I asked myself "kung yung size & price ng CHR70 eh ang ganda ng tunog sa simpleng enclosure, ano pa kaya yung hi-end model?"
So why build another one? Aside from the pleasure of creating something that i'll enjoy, minsan naghahanap din ng ibang flavor.
Napa-dalawang isip ako dun sa reply mo kay sir RXV, nasagot yung mga questions sa isip ko. Thanks.
Mukhang back to drawing board uli kung anong driver kukunin ko ^-^
(http://s5.postimg.org/ym8yv0ulz/MA_Comparison.jpg)
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Thanks for the link...
Regarding the speaker placement, most if not all the designs have the speakers mounted higher than the centerline. Does this affect the sq or they just raised it?
Theoretically, the location of the driver on a sealed enclosure doesn't really matter (in a perfect world so to speak). However, on vented enclosures, there is a minimum and maximum distance for the driver and the port so that the port does not unload the driver below the port's resonant frequency. This is just for the location of the port wrt the driver.
As for being above the centerline, here's what I can remember from memory.
1. Being above the centerline provides the least baffle plane resonance occuring being more reinforced as it approaches the edges of the enclosure.
2. Diffraction. Mounting the driver/s with an offset from the centerline changes the time and frequency domains of diffraction, however, this does not reduce the amount of energy re-radiated by the internal walls. This is where stuffing is mainly used - unfortunately, most builders I see use stuffing as if it is a band aid to change the box frequency response.
As sound waves like to bounce from hard surfaces, stuffing is supposed to aid in eliminating reflection, diffraction, or bounce NOT to change the box frequency response. If you are using stuffing like that then that means you have designed the wrong box for that particular driver.
In FR drivers/enclosure designs, the design and volume of the box most certainly dictates the lowest frequency possible to be reproduced. But overdoing it will result in unloading the driver below the lowest frequency the driver and box is designed for, thus, instead of the box reinforcing the driver and having more bass, you actually reduce the amount of bass because the driver sees the unwarranted increase in the box size as if it were in free air.
3. Mounting the driver with an offset from the centerline also introduces a change in the phase angle of the mids and highs wrt the low frequencies. Distribution that aids directionality is what we're after here. This my friend is what gives height, depth and imaging to the music we hear coming out of the driver/box combination.
:)
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Thanks for the link...
Regarding the speaker placement, most if not all the designs have the speakers mounted higher than the centerline. Does this affect the sq or they just raised it?
Brader,
In acoustic engineering, everything has a reason behind it (usually also comes with a compromise in real world scenarios). Hindi pwede dito yun hula-hula lang or kasi gusto mo lang. This is for the same reason why a B&W driver installed (or transplanted) in another box will not sound like a B&W anymore.
It is a discipline most involved in Physics and Math. It's no joke, but everything is laid out already, all we have to do is follow the path. I believe this is what Mark Fenlon has been trying to do for the longest time, provide solid, verified and real-world tested enclosures for his drivers.
Someone once asked in DA... "Will MA driver box designs also work with other FR drivers like Fostex?"... the simplest answer is NO, unless, the Fostex driver has the exact driver characteristics as the MA driver. If one insists in doing so, then it would be just a hit or miss affair.
:)
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Salamat Jo, figured it did but wanted to be sure....
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Brader Jo, straight to the point ang last 2 posts mo pero eksakto! This got me thinking; If I'm someone new to FR drivers, wants to try MA & I go to this thread medyo intimidating & nose bleed. I guess ganun ang perception ng ibang members ng PDVD, some must be thinking "masyadong maraming alam ang mga nasa MA thread" hahaha and we might be discouraging others from building. Nasanay yata tayo sa diyaudio style ;D
But if you will read the posts & replies here marami kang mapupulot and most of them are facts. Imagine if we just keep on posting "upgrade na" or "go for this or for that" without asking the right questions then we are just doing everyone a disservice, and most builds siguro will end up in the market place. The last thing we want to do is spread misinformation, there's too much of that going around already ;)
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Brader deist,
Noon bata pa ako (hindi pa naman ganun katagal iyon ;D), my brothers have a subscription to a local electronics magazine Electronics Enthusiasts. It contains electronics projects that has very nice and detailed documentation and Alexan Commercial (now Ace Electronic Technology, Inc) in Elcano St., Divisoria sells kits, complete with pre-made and pre-drilled PCBs and parts.
It was so successful that other local electronics entrepreneurs like CMC, Elco, and even Deeco's Miyama brand dived into electronics kit selling. The edge Alexan has over these other businesses was it has Electronics Enthusiast (or EE mag as we call it) to back it up and provide detailed building steps, calibration and testing and even suggests enclosures for your kit projects whereas the others only has photo-copied schematics and parts placement guides. You are left to your own devices in case it doesn't work.
MA is like Alexan and EE, it has readily available plans that has been tried and tested. Just choose your driver and a suitable box plan and you have an excellent chance of ending up with a viable product. All the work has been done already for the user, all one needs to do is pick one that suits the bill and they're off. :)
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Bro, my question is more on the application you intend to use it...
Sir, i grew up with my brother having speakers in every room in the house. Even in toilet & laundry area. We went to sleep with the music on. He built amplifiers & speakers from Raon, while i was into a band.
To answer your question:
*Listening Room - Alpair-10P-A or 12P [FS]
*Bedroom Room - CHP-70A-P [BS]
*Den/Work - Alpair-7A Gold[Monitor]
Libre naman mangarap ;D
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Jo, after 1 hour of machining...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/77EAB291-86FE-4807-9EC2-63B3FC442B86_zpshf7b8iot.jpg)
another 2 hours siguro at yung speaker na lang hihintayin :)
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Jo, after 1 hour of machining...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/77EAB291-86FE-4807-9EC2-63B3FC442B86_zpshf7b8iot.jpg)
another 2 hours siguro at yung speaker na lang hihintayin :)
Para saan driver yan, brader Sonny?
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Para saan driver yan, brader Sonny?
chr 70.3... lalalala
test cut using 1" birch plywood... eto na sya after 2 hours. finally nagumpisa na lumabas yung curve....
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/B9BFFA05-41CF-44D4-95C1-CC773961B37A_zpsqifkunns.jpg)
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chr 70.3... lalalala
test cut using 1" birch plywood... eto na sya after 2 hours. finally nagumpisa na lumabas yung curve....
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/B9BFFA05-41CF-44D4-95C1-CC773961B37A_zpsqifkunns.jpg)
Nice, brader! Paki pm nmn dimension nyan!....:)
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Nice, brader! Paki pm nmn dimension nyan!....:)
so far, 11 x 16.6 inches pa lang, wala pa yung body eh....
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Nice brader Timbs! 8)
Pwede pang near-field yan sa DJ setup ko ah...
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Nice brader Timbs! 8)
Pwede pang near-field yan sa DJ setup ko ah...
after 3 hours... roughing pa rin. huhuhu
pero maganda na o.... ;)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/D1160692-4221-432A-B89C-8E6C232BC373_zps7ejbddwm.jpg)
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Birch ply yan brad?
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Birch ply yan brad?
yup yup....
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Maganda nga!
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yup yup....
machinable parang solid wood lang ah...
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machinable parang solid wood lang ah...
maganda yung bit brader.... Freud!
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maganda yung bit brader.... Freud!
naks kala ko Whiteside! 8)
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Ang ganda naman naman naman........ Nakakaenganyo!
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Ang ganda nga! Kaya ba yan na stain finish? Timber, may nagawa ka nang stain finish using that?
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Ang ganda nga! Kaya ba yan na stain finish? Timber, may nagawa ka nang stain finish using that?
Stain will not work well in this case brader... Grains run across each other and will absorb differently. Imo, it should be finished either the way it looks or painted (piano finish would be my preference).
Drawback in this build is the machine timeis way too much. 3 hours makes this build terribly costly and I am still looking at at least another 2 hours more. That is just for the face pa lang ha?! Paano pa if decide to make the enclosure complicated as well... So maybe baka simple na lang.
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Stain will not work well in this case brader... Grains run across each other and will absorb differently. Imo, it should be finished either the way it looks or painted (piano finish would be my preference).
Drawback in this build is the machine timeis way too much. 3 hours makes this build terribly costly and I am still looking at at least another 2 hours more. That is just for the face pa lang ha?! Paano pa if decide to make the enclosure complicated as well... So maybe baka simple na lang.
Is it because the driver is flush mounted?
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Not only that brader, the face itself is also curved kasi. I wanted the front portion to be clear from the driver opening. The curve naman, well I want it to provide less resistance when sound is reflected back into it (if that even matters :) ) plus aesthetic na rin....
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It's a good plan, kayang kaya mo yan with the way you're taking the time now to research & prepare your audio projects. MA drivers aren't expensive so you can build all three at the price of a pair of high end FR drivers from other manufacturers ;)
Sir, i grew up with my brother having speakers in every room in the house. Even in toilet & laundry area. We went to sleep with the music on. He built amplifiers & speakers from Raon, while i was into a band.
To answer your question:
*Listening Room - Alpair-10P-A or 12P [FS]
*Bedroom Room - CHP-70A-P [BS]
*Den/Work - Alpair-7A Gold[Monitor]
Libre naman mangarap ;D
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Nice! Nice! O0
chr 70.3... lalalala
test cut using 1" birch plywood... eto na sya after 2 hours. finally nagumpisa na lumabas yung curve....
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/B9BFFA05-41CF-44D4-95C1-CC773961B37A_zpsqifkunns.jpg)
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Curved ala KEF LS50? If you are worried about edge diffraction, the size of the front baffle is small to have such an effect but aesthetics wise it would really look good!
hats off to you master woodworker 8)
Not only that brader, the face itself is also curved kasi. I wanted the front portion to be clear from the driver opening. The curve naman, well I want it to provide less resistance when sound is reflected back into it (if that even matters :) ) plus aesthetic na rin....
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Excited na si brader Joey o! 8) >:D
Ang ganda naman naman naman........ Nakakaenganyo!
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May I ask why it takes so long to machine-cut your enclosure? CnC ba yan or mano-mano lang? Di ba dapat minutes lang dapat kung CnC? Or is there something that I do not know?
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May I ask why it takes so long to machine-cut your enclosure? CnC ba yan or mano-mano lang? Di ba dapat minutes lang dapat kung CnC? Or is there something that I do not know?
CNC yan, but as in any routing process, the depth of cut is distributed in several passes instead of one pass. Plus Timbs is cutting in 3 dimensions (not to be confused with 3D), he's cutting in X, Y and Z axis. The machine has to be slowed down because of the material and the tool head. Too much feedrate is bad for the work piece.
If this where a plasma head and a sheet metal work piece then it would be lightning fast.
Ironically... slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
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Not only that brader, the face itself is also curved kasi. I wanted the front portion to be clear from the driver opening. The curve naman, well I want it to provide less resistance when sound is reflected back into it (if that even matters :) ) plus aesthetic na rin....
Baka pagnatapos na yan mapagkamalang Sonus yan brader.
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Yung curved front pa lang, susmaryosep di ko ma-imagine kung paano gagawin ng mano-mano ;D :o
kaabang-abang to brader Sonny ;) I'd like to see this in piano finish: black + copper/gold MA drivers >:D O0
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May I ask why it takes so long to machine-cut your enclosure? CnC ba yan or mano-mano lang? Di ba dapat minutes lang dapat kung CnC? Or is there something that I do not know?
Would you have cnc background? Would really like to learn how to cut 3d files in mins. Baka pwede mo ako ma guide.
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CNC yan, but as in any routing process, the depth of cut is distributed in several passes instead of one pass. Plus Timbs is cutting in 3 dimensions (not to be confused with 3D), he's cutting in X, Y and Z axis. The machine has to be slowed down because of the material and the tool head. Too much feedrate is bad for the work piece.
If this where a plasma head and a sheet metal work piece then it would be lightning fast.
Ironically... slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
Oh yes, I now understand. Nagulat lang ako kasi inabot ng 3 hours ang front face pa lang. It must be that extensive.
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Would you have cnc background? Would really like to learn how to cut 3d files in mins. Baka pwede mo ako ma guide.
Ah hindi po sir :)
It's just that I saw in youtube videos how fast CnC machines cut through pre-designed speaker cabinets in 4x8' in minutes :)
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Yung curved front pa lang, susmaryosep di ko ma-imagine kung paano gagawin ng mano-mano ;D :o
kaabang-abang to brader Sonny ;) I'd like to see this in piano finish: black + copper/gold MA drivers >:D O0
Ala Klipsch/KEF style ba?
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Oh yes, I now understand. Nagulat lang ako kasi inabot ng 3 hours ang front face pa lang. It must be that extensive.
That was one of my goals before when I built my CNC. But now, I sometimes mill circuit boards for hours din sir, time is a factor in the quality of work kasi.
Some would say... "bakit ka pa nag CNC kung matagal din pala?"
The simplest answer is precision, and it's a repeatable process too.
Ang sagot ko nga minsan... "sige subukan mo mag etch ng mano-mano na 0.5mm pitch..." ;D ;D ;D
Besides, you can do other things while the CNC is working like read FHM magazines etc... >:D
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Ah hindi po sir :)
It's just that I saw in youtube videos how fast CnC machines cut through pre-designed speaker cabinets in 4x8' in minutes :)
depende din kasi sa klase ng cnc machine. yung malalaking precision cnc machine, kayang kaya pabilisin yan. syempre, depende din sa materyales na i ma machine.
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Ah hindi po sir :)
It's just that I saw in youtube videos how fast CnC machines cut through pre-designed speaker cabinets in 4x8' in minutes :)
Ah sa youtube.... Baka 2d cut ang nakita mo.... 3d cuts move half a millimiter per pass for finishing cuts. For roughing, it varies. Pwede aggressive pwede rin conservative. Since this is my second time cutting 3d, conservative cut was my choice. Both bits and the material is quite pricey and I prefer not to break them. Until I get more proficient then maybe then it could be faster.
Going back to youtube here is the difference...
2.5d cuts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wzSjsmbrfU
3d cuts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLWc4OYZGQc
This one carved out a face.... It only took 3 days of cutting at 24 hours a day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcOQpAj_Ovc
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Wow, lupit pala ng 3d cut.
I also did a similar shaping to wood, mano-mano lang nga at 1" thick lang hahaha. And destroyed my back :)
Excited to see your build soon
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The secret to caring for the back is a correct height work table and pacing. Table should be high enough so you don't have to bend as much. It must be low enough so that you can apply necessary body weight for the task. These may be several table.
I told JojoD818 that a standing desk is ideal for long hours of soldering. Rest when the legs are tired. Better the legs than the back.
Pacing is another thing. We DIYers tend to finish the job asap. REST and HYDRATE. Rest before your body hurts. Just like in running, we have to walk sometimes. Same with DIY.
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The secret to caring for the back is a correct height work table and pacing. Table should be high enough so you don't have to bend as much. It must be low enough so that you can apply necessary body weight for the task. These may be several table.
I told JojoD818 that a standing desk is ideal for long hours of soldering. Rest when the legs are tired. Better the legs than the back.
Pacing is another thing. We DIYers tend to finish the job asap. REST and HYDRATE. Rest before your body hurts. Just like in running, we have to walk sometimes. Same with DIY.
Yun na nga problem sa akin Gino. When it comes to work, minsan I neglect my body na, puro focus sa job at hand, ayun, tinatamaan tuloy ang katawan. But at least I'm happy with my DIY'ing hahaha.
That's the reason why I wasn't able to finish my enclosure finishing before, tinamaan likod ko, so I was forced to rest for a long time, hanggang sa naging busy na at lahat haha
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Bata ka pa ang lagay na yan. Wait until you are my age. Kaya strengthen your core habang bata and pace yourself.
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Bata ka pa ang lagay na yan. Wait until you are my age. Kaya strengthen your core habang bata and pace yourself.
Haha lesson learned. But yes, I will finish my enclosure na soon :)
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Would anyone know where to get MA drivers in Hong Kong? I emailed them early this week and haven't gotten a reply. Really keen to try them out. Thanks!
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Owner developed health and forum social issues. Look for 3rd party resellers.
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Best is to order in Singapore. Go to the MA Singapore website and get in touch with Neo. He can arrange courier of the drivers
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Didn't know about the health issues, hope he gets better.
As chance would have it, Mark replied already and directed to me Evan. Still waiting to hear from him if he has a shop I can visit when I'm in there.
Spoke to Neo already sometime ago, if I can't get them in HK then I'll have a pair couriered from SG instead.
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Didn't know about the health issues, hope he gets better.
As chance would have it, Mark replied already and directed to me Evan. Still waiting to hear from him if he has a shop I can visit when I'm in there.
Spoke to Neo already sometime ago, if I can't get them in HK then I'll have a pair couriered from SG instead.
Mark has been battling the big "C" for a few years now.
He must have referred you to Evan Yu. I think Mark is now transitioning daily tasks to his second in command - Evan. Each Alpair 10P is marked with "Developed by Evan Yu". I say wait for Evan's reply first then go with Neo if HK option doesn't push thru.
Good luck :)
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Best is to order in Singapore. Go to the MA Singapore website and get in touch with Neo. He can arrange courier of the drivers
Joey, have you ordered your regen yet? Sorry for ot...
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Hi guys,
Just wanna share my DIY build of the Markaudio Alpair10P.
Sorry for the crappy pics, I don't have a professional camera :)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA1_zpsjjpxlfkk.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA2_zpssd2o9g6i.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA3_zpsnyv5w6gi.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA4_zpsxbmvr9xh.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/IMG_20150515_203407_zpsad48dtbz.jpg)
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Hi guys,
Just wanna share my DIY build of the Markaudio Alpair10P.
Sorry for the crappy pics, I don't have a professional camera :)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA1_zpsjjpxlfkk.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA2_zpssd2o9g6i.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA3_zpsnyv5w6gi.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA4_zpsxbmvr9xh.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/IMG_20150515_203407_zpsad48dtbz.jpg)
wow!!! ang Ganda naman nyan sir!!! di mukhang DIY...
mukha kasing isasali sa HI-FI show!!! congrats sir, you have made a very nice speaker that will surely satisfy the ears and the eyes...
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Wow! Very nice! Congrats!
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Hi guys,
Just wanna share my DIY build of the Markaudio Alpair10P.
Sorry for the crappy pics, I don't have a professional camera :)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA1_zpsjjpxlfkk.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA2_zpssd2o9g6i.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA3_zpsnyv5w6gi.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA4_zpsxbmvr9xh.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/IMG_20150515_203407_zpsad48dtbz.jpg)
I wish i had the skill to make something like that. :(
nbc
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Hi guys,
Just wanna share my DIY build of the Markaudio Alpair10P.
Sorry for the crappy pics, I don't have a professional camera :)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA1_zpsjjpxlfkk.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA2_zpssd2o9g6i.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA3_zpsnyv5w6gi.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA4_zpsxbmvr9xh.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/IMG_20150515_203407_zpsad48dtbz.jpg)
Ganda sir. Kaya pala tinatago hangga't hindi matapos, kakaganda pala.
Parang commercial, high end na speakers na nakita ko sa net.
Congrats sir.
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Hi guys,
Just wanna share my DIY build of the Markaudio Alpair10P.
Sorry for the crappy pics, I don't have a professional camera :)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA1_zpsjjpxlfkk.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA2_zpssd2o9g6i.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA3_zpsnyv5w6gi.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA4_zpsxbmvr9xh.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/IMG_20150515_203407_zpsad48dtbz.jpg)
Wowwww.. Ang ganda... Parang hindi diy.... Yan ba pakikinggan natin bro? Awesome....
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Congratulations! Excellent craftsmanship! It doesn't even look like a DIY set of speakers. Lookslike an Usher or SF. Enjoy the fruit of your labor!
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Wow! Ang ganda! Parang hindi DIY.
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Ganda tumunog nito! heard it last week paired with a tube amp. Anlaki ng box and ganda ng finishing. Sabi ko nga Sonus Alpair! hehehe!
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Ganda tumunog nito! heard it last week paired with a tube amp. Anlaki ng box and ganda ng finishing. Sabi ko nga Sonus Alpair! hehehe!
details please? me kilala ako, binenta yung mark audio nya...
hindi raw maganda ang off axis response.... >:D >:D >:D
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details please? me kilala ako, binenta yung mark audio nya...
hindi raw maganda ang off axis response.... >:D >:D >:D
hindi ko nga alam paano tumunog ang off-axis, lalo na ung on-axis.
paktay tayo dyan. hahaha
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nice build bro!!! eye candy :o congrats ^-^
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Galing ng finish. Saludo ako!
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hindi ko nga alam paano tumunog ang off-axis, lalo na ung on-axis.
paktay tayo dyan. hahaha
Usually high frequencies ang affected kapag off-axis due to beaming.
Di naman problema for critical listening dahil most of the time ang owner ng speakers ay nakaupo naman sa sweet spot.
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Thanks guys.
Matagal ko na siya actually ginagamit, ngayon ko lang natapos yung finishing (which was the harder part).
This is actually just phase 2. I have a final phase 3 for this build (pero vacation mode muna hehe).
I will probably create a separate thread here regarding this DIY build to share to others on how this was made.
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details please? me kilala ako, binenta yung mark audio nya...
hindi raw maganda ang off axis response.... >:D >:D >:D
Sir, what model(s) of Markaudio drivers are you referring to? I haven't heard other models of MA kasi, so I can't give an opinion on that. But with the Alpair10P, off-axis response is actually very good based on my own experience and from what I read from majority of DIYaudio members when I was researching on it back then. And the beaming effect of this one is actually very low, even comparable to other high-end speakers that I've heard. Midrange shout in this driver for me is almost non-existent, although like most fullrange speakers, the mids are a bit more pronounced (which is actually what I like). All-in-all, this is a very excellent driver surpassing multiple times its pricepoint/pricerange (no exaggeration here). I'm very happy with this one, definitely a keeper.
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...create a separate thread here regarding this DIY build to share to others on how this was made.
looking forward to this, interested on the back plate. thanks for sharing.
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Ang ganda! panalo! Congrats, they look like off the shelf speakers. Para saan yung knob sa upper part ng plate sa likod? what's the "W" logo about?
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Usually high frequencies ang affected kapag off-axis due to beaming.
Di naman problema for critical listening dahil most of the time ang owner ng speakers ay nakaupo naman sa sweet spot.
For me, high frequencies of this driver is not really affected when off-axis compared to other speakers. Probably due to it's wide dispersion design and deletion of phase plug.
For a pure paper cone design, high frequencies are not perfect, but all the details are there, even surpassing some speakers that have a dedicated tweeter in them. The midrange for me is to die for, which is why I acquired this driver in the first place. And bass is adequate for SQ use and critical listening.
I plan to incorporate a super tweeter in the future, but it is actually not needed naman, it's just for the sake of perfection. Haha
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Ang ganda! panalo! Congrats, they look like off the shelf speakers. Para saan yung knob sa upper part ng plate sa likod? what's the "W" logo about?
The attenuator knob on the aluminum back plate is for my phase 3 of incorporating a supertweeter in the future.
Maraming nagsasabi sa akin na hindi naman kailangan ng supertweeter pa, but when you get to hear speakers with 6-digit price tags, you'd understand why hahaha. Not really needed, but only for the quest of perfection.
The W logo is just for my own aesthetics purposes/branding. Para lang mas mukhang professional tignan.
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Congrats Sir ...nice :o :o
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looking forward to this, interested on the back plate. thanks for sharing.
Yes I will post it here soon for the sake of sharing my experience to the PDVD community.
FYI, the challenge in this build, was everything was hand-built or custom-made (except for the drivers and materials of course).
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The attenuator knob on the aluminum back plate is for my phase 3 of incorporating a supertweeter in the future.
Maraming nagsasabi sa akin na hindi naman kailangan ng supertweeter pa, but when you get to hear speakers with 6-digit price tags, you'd understand why hahaha. Not really needed, but only for the quest of perfection.
The W logo is just for my own aesthetics purposes/branding. Para lang mas mukhang professional tignan.
Ung "W" means "Wonder King"! hehehe! Yan kasi, audi ng audi kaya napapa-upgrade. hehehe! ganda kasi nung de capo.
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Ung "W" means "Wonder King"! hehehe! Yan kasi, audi ng audi kaya napapa-upgrade. hehehe! ganda kasi nung de capo.
Haha loko ka Paeng :)
Oo nga, mahirap nang makarinig ng high-end, pati tenga mo nagiging high-end na rin e haha
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Sir, what model(s) of Markaudio drivers are you referring to? I haven't heard other models of MA kasi, so I can't give an opinion on that. But with the Alpair10P, off-axis response is actually very good based on my own experience and from what I read from majority of DIYaudio members when I was researching on it back then. And the beaming effect of this one is actually very low, even comparable to other high-end speakers that I've heard. Midrange shout in this driver for me is almost non-existent, although like most fullrange speakers, the mids are a bit more pronounced (which is actually what I like). All-in-all, this is a very excellent driver surpassing multiple times its pricepoint/pricerange (no exaggeration here). I'm very happy with this one, definitely a keeper.
don't know exactly the model me nagbulong lang.....palagay ko yung pinaguusapan dito....
i think it had a lot to do with preference, pag meron ka nang na gustuhan na speaker
malamang ididisregard mo na yung another to justify your choice.... >:D >:D
normal human reaction....and it goes for all other things that we do or like.... >:D >:D >:D
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True, i've heard 3 different MA driver models - Alpair 7.3, Alpair 10P & CHR-70.3A and wala ni isa ang may off-axis response issue or beaming. Off-axis response issue is related to beaming which is prominent in big FR driver cones; 10inches & up esp if you have a small room (22sqm or less) or listening position is less than 3mtrs from the speakers. Which can be addressed if you are using horns or wave guide, di ba sir Larry? ;)
RXV-mukhang keeper talaga, sa ganda ba naman ng enclosure mo 8) Very happy with my 10Ps s well, mag-3yrs na nga hindi pa ako nag-upgrade. Kung may naririnig akong mali sa tunog e di sana matagal ko ng binenta haha ;D ;D
But with the Alpair10P, off-axis response is actually very good based on my own experience and from what I read from majority of DIYaudio members when I was researching on it back then. And the beaming effect of this one is actually very low, even comparable to other high-end speakers that I've heard. Midrange shout in this driver for me is almost non-existent, although like most fullrange speakers, the mids are a bit more pronounced (which is actually what I like). All-in-all, this is a very excellent driver surpassing multiple times its pricepoint/pricerange (no exaggeration here). I'm very happy with this one, definitely a keeper.
Nice touch! a personal stamp to reward yourself for the time spent in preparation & hard work for this build ;)
The W logo is just for my own aesthetics purposes/branding. Para lang mas mukhang professional tignan.
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Hi RXV!
Where did you have your speaker terminal plates (W Acoustics) made? Thanks
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don't know exactly the model me nagbulong lang.....palagay ko yung pinaguusapan dito....
i think it had a lot to do with preference, pag meron ka nang na gustuhan na speaker
malamang ididisregard mo na yung another to justify your choice.... >:D >:D
normal human reaction....and it goes for all other things that we do or like.... >:D >:D >:D
Hi sir,
Yes of course I have my own music preference, but it doesn't mean that I'll probably disregard others since I have always been an objective person when it comes to the technical aspects. I know the technical limitations of my speakers, and know of others as well. But in the end, it all boils down whether you're happy or not, right? :)
And of course, the more speakers, the better, right? Hahaha
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@deist
Thanks sir, yes MA drivers are definitely in my "keeper" list.
@Superman
The rear aluminum plate is DIY hand crafted, while the W logo is a customized chrome sticker from your suking sticker store :)
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Wow. Thanks. Chrome sticker? That's cool
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WoW!
Hi guys,
Just wanna share my DIY build of the Markaudio Alpair10P.
Sorry for the crappy pics, I don't have a professional camera :)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA1_zpsjjpxlfkk.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA2_zpssd2o9g6i.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA3_zpsnyv5w6gi.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/MA4_zpsxbmvr9xh.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg146/RXV_photos/Alpair%2010P%20speaker%20pictures/IMG_20150515_203407_zpsad48dtbz.jpg)
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Wow. Thanks. Chrome sticker? That's cool
I will post a new thread soon on how I did the DIY stuff, to share to everyone. I have to consolidate the pictures first.
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Hi sir,
Yes of course I have my own music preference, but it doesn't mean that I'll probably disregard others since I have always been an objective person when it comes to the technical aspects. I know the technical limitations of my speakers, and know of others as well. But in the end, it all boils down whether you're happy or not, right? :)
And of course, the more speakers, the better, right? Hahaha
yes, yours is the right attitude......
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Hi RXV!
Where did you have your speaker terminal plates (W Acoustics) made? Thanks
there are shops in Bonondo that do hairline finish on aluminum,
then you can have it anodized champagne gold, or whatever color you like...
those in the business of making trophies can do these type of jobs...
decals can be made by shops along cm recto.....
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They're done, RXV! Job well done. Now I can see why you took your time. That amount of work real estate couldn't have been easy. What amps power these beautiful speakers?
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Boss RXV, congrats on a very handsome looking build! Good job! 8)
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Nice build RXV! Congrats!
Any particular box design you followed for the Alpair 10p?
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That's a ver good looking "hand job" >:D
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Not yet .... but would we also nice if we can test first your incoming order.........
Joey, have you ordered your regen yet? Sorry for ot...
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Thanks everyone, I'm glad PDVDer's appreciate speaker art :)
@tony
Yes, marami nga dun sa Binondo.
But for the brushed aluminum, I just also DIY'ed it. Of course for the anodizing, wala na ako sa ganung powers :)
@Gino
APPJ ko lang masaya na ako. I really like the fact that I only need to replace one 12AX7 for tube rolling purposes :)
@JoeyGS
The enclosure is a modified Pensil version with full bracing and upgraded dampening. I chose to stick to an enclosure plan that's already proven to be perfect with the drivers :)
@Gino
Hindi lang "hand job", "back job" din :p
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Do you have 2 drivers in each box? I saw 2 sets of speaker terminals and a switch. L-pad?
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Yeah the L-Pad is placed for a future supertweeter built on top. Not really necessary, but supplemental
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Hi sir,
Yes of course I have my own music preference, but it doesn't mean that I'll probably disregard others since I have always been an objective person when it comes to the technical aspects. I know the technical limitations of my speakers, and know of others as well. But in the end, it all boils down whether you're happy or not, right? :)
And of course, the more speakers, the better, right? Hahaha
Sir tony, i think rxv uses the alpair paper cone driver, known to have than natural midrange presetation with limits on bass. But the implementation of king on the box is superb having presence in the lows. Hindi tunog kahoy resonance ung lows. Maganda rendition.
What i admired here is the detail ng gawa. Tyaga mo pre sa mga kurbada. Also the grill, lintek ang pagkakagawa. Hirap kaya i flush mount yan at magnetic pa. Hahaha
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Thanks everyone, I'm glad PDVDer's appreciate speaker art :)
@tony
Yes, marami nga dun sa Binondo.
But for the brushed aluminum, I just also DIY'ed it. Of course for the anodizing, wala na ako sa ganung powers :)
there is an attachment to angle grinders that you can buy,
it looks like a cylinder, i will ask Peng when i see him again...or take pictures...
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True, i've heard 3 different MA driver models - Alpair 7.3, Alpair 10P & CHR-70.3A and wala ni isa ang may off-axis response issue or beaming. Off-axis response issue is related to beaming which is prominent in big FR driver cones; 10inches & up esp if you have a small room (22sqm or less) or listening position is less than 3mtrs from the speakers. Which can be addressed if you are using horns or wave guide, di ba sir Larry? ;)
Correct. Beaming issue kadalasan sa bigger units as you go up in frequency. Pero tumapat ka lang sa center meron naman. :)
Kaya pag nasa sweet spot ka wala namang problema.
Pero meron akong cube na powered speaker na may more or less 1-5/8" driver. Ginagamit ko sa desktop. Ang liit nya pero mas malakas ang highs nya kapag pointing directly to me.
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This is a good way to describe Alpair 10Ps presentation of sound. Like what I've been saying from the start of the thread; the Alpair 10Ps + pensil enclosure will not give you chest pounding bass instead it will render very good low level details, hiwa-hiwalay ang instruments producing low frequencies, not just "boom, boom, boom"
Hindi talaga "boxy" tumunog ang MA drivers basta within the specs ka sa materials & sundin mo yung box plans' internal dimensions ayos na ;)
But the implementation of king on the box is superb having presence in the lows. Hindi tunog kahoy resonance ung lows. Maganda rendition.
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The problem is if the room is small, lumiliit din ang sweet spot because you can't move the speakers too far from each other since didikit na sa walls.
To site an example; a month ago I visited my kumpare who built a pair of 12" FR speakers, his room is 20sqm, typical room size of an average local household. When I lean towards either side of the chair (where the sweet spot is) & tip my head, pumapaling ang stereo imaging. I don't know if it's the room acoustics or the gear pero that's what I've observed. When I pointed it out to him, hindi nya daw napapansin na ganun.
Correct. Beaming issue kadalasan sa bigger units as you go up in frequency. Pero tumapat ka lang sa center meron naman. :)
Kaya pag nasa sweet spot ka wala namang problema.
Pero meron akong cube na powered speaker na may more or less 1-5/8" driver. Ginagamit ko sa desktop. Ang liit nya pero mas malakas ang highs nya kapag pointing directly to me.
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This is a good way to describe Alpair 10Ps presentation of sound. Like what I've been saying from the start of the thread; the Alpair 10Ps + pensil enclosure will not give you chest pounding bass instead it will render very good low level details, hiwa-hiwalay ang instruments producing low frequencies, not just "boom, boom, boom"
Hindi talaga "boxy" tumunog ang MA drivers basta within the specs ka sa materials & sundin mo yung box plans' internal dimensions ayos na ;)
+1 on this. Bass is very musical and bass notes are very distinct, as witnessed in Rebecca Pidgeon's Spanish Harlem (walang sawang Spanish Harlem haha). This is a driver designed for SQ and critical listening anyway
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That track will flatter any system he he. Move away from your typical female audiophile cds to educate your ears. Look also into instruments. Realism is hard to achieve for all instruments.
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i am glad to see people actually liking the Alpairs....
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Malamang he used that specific track for testing the bass, in some speakers I've heard esp the once with bass reflex enclosure may pagka-ngongo ang presentation ng bass. The first time I played that song with my 10Ps napangiti din ako, may "snap" and clear ang flow ng bass notes throughout the entire song. But I get what you're saying Gino ;)
That track will flatter any system he he. Move away from your typical female audiophile cds to educate your ears. Look also into instruments. Realism is hard to achieve for all instruments.
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Bro, for some bass testing try to listen to "Brombo" by Brian Brombo & Akira Jimbo, tuloy tuloy ang panning ng drums & bass guitar
or "The Link" by Gojira, sarap ng oscillation ng double bass drums, makikita mo excursion ng cone ng 10P pero kayang kaya ;)
+1 on this. Bass is very musical and bass notes are very distinct, as witnessed in Rebecca Pidgeon's Spanish Harlem (walang sawang Spanish Harlem haha). This is a driver designed for SQ and critical listening anyway
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That track will flatter any system he he. Move away from your typical female audiophile cds to educate your ears. Look also into instruments. Realism is hard to achieve for all instruments.
Gino, that's what I thought :)
I just realized the importance of bass musicality when I listened to another system, and also in my car. Layo pala kapag iba iba ang bass notes as well as the bass depth, sa iba kasi halos malakas nga pero one-note-wonder lang ang tunog
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i am glad to see people actually liking the Alpairs....
Sir Tony, I think the Alpairs (7) won in a blind shootout in the U.S. against 23 different drivers I think.
But small speaker category lang yata yung shootout (3-4" category yata).
Here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri1FMK7zTdg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri1FMK7zTdg)
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[/quote]Bro, for some bass testing try to listen to "Brombo" by Brian Brombo & Akira Jimbo, tuloy tuloy ang panning ng drums & bass guitar
or "The Link" by Gojira, sarap ng oscillation ng double bass drums, makikita mo excursion ng cone ng 10P pero kayang kaya ;)
When rxv brought his speakers im my home, we played bromo, daft punk and focal test disc. Im also curious to see how it performs on extreme frequencies. My findings- it is abundant! Hehehe
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Sir Tony, I think the Alpairs (7) won in a blind shootout in the U.S. against 23 different drivers I think.
But small speaker category lang yata yung shootout (3-4" category yata).
Here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri1FMK7zTdg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri1FMK7zTdg)
thanks,FWIW, i discussed the mark audio with moderators at diyaudio,
and almost all of then prefer the alpairs over the audio nirvanas.....
they just smiled at me when i told them that over here, the audio nirvanas were hot...
many of them have used the audio nirvanas and said it was a decent speaker,
though they liked mark audio speakers better....
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RXV, kamusta ang headroom with the APPJ? Maybe it's time for my 2nd project ;)
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Ayos! An issue I found with the Alpairs (if you will call it an "issue" at all ;D); it is not forgiving to badly recorded materials.
Btw, were you referring to the Alpairs when you raised this question about soundstage?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,199801.0.html
:)
When rxv brought his speakers im my home, we played bromo, daft punk and focal test disc. Im also curious to see how it performs on extreme frequencies. My findings- it is abundant! Hehehe
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Tapat lang naman ang mga Alpairs..... garbage in, garbage out
Ayos! An issue I found with the Alpairs (if you will call it an "issue" at all ;D); it is not forgiving to badly recorded materials.
Btw, were you referring to the Alpairs when you raised this question about soundstage?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,199801.0.html
:)
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Ayos! An issue I found with the Alpairs (if you will call it an "issue" at all ;D); it is not forgiving to badly recorded materials.
Btw, were you referring to the Alpairs when you raised this question about soundstage?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,199801.0.html
:)
Nope. If the alpair sounded bad on crappy recordings, that's actually a good trait. it shows the speaker is revealing!
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Sounds like you really liked the Alpair's sound. Are we going to see here your build soon? ;)
Nope. If the alpair sounded bad on crappy recordings, that's actually a good trait. it shows the speaker is revealing!
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Honest to goodness ;D
Tapat lang naman ang mga Alpairs..... garbage in, garbage out
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thanks,FWIW, i discussed the mark audio with moderators at diyaudio,
and almost all of then prefer the alpairs over the audio nirvanas.....
they just smiled at me when i told them that over here, the audio nirvanas were hot...
many of them have used the audio nirvanas and said it was a decent speaker,
though they liked mark audio speakers better....
For me sir Tony, it still really depends on your listening preference. Being unbiased, I've heard Audio Nirvanas and I also like them e, but again I also like my MA's, I think it depends on the genre and style of listening. If I had a choice I would have them both haha
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Sounds like you really liked the Alpair's sound. Are we going to see here your build soon? ;)
naku pare. wala akong tyaga dyan. masaya nakong nakakakinig ng magagandang system. balang araw, pag 20 nako at kumpleto na buhok, magkaka audio system din ako. hahaha!
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RXV, kamusta ang headroom with the APPJ? Maybe it's time for my 2nd project ;)
If you want headroom, of course I still suggest getting bigger tube amps if you're into dynamics.
But for me kasi, the APPJ is sufficient na in my 4x3 sq.m. room e, and that fact that it just consumes 38 watts and sounds so good (and a tube roller's delight having only 1 signal tube), nakatago na lang din 12 watter tube amp ko :p
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Ayos! An issue I found with the Alpairs (if you will call it an "issue" at all ;D); it is not forgiving to badly recorded materials.
Btw, were you referring to the Alpairs when you raised this question about soundstage?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,199801.0.html
:)
For me, this is true, based on my experience.
But the thing I like about the Alpair 10P is that since it has a smoother signature, it is a "little more" forgiving to badly recorded music.
Yung Alpair 7.3, naku, yun talaga nagrereveal ng bad system recordings. Sobrang analytic e.
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thanks,FWIW, i discussed the mark audio with moderators at diyaudio,
and almost all of then prefer the alpairs over the audio nirvanas.....
they just smiled at me when i told them that over here, the audio nirvanas were hot...
many of them have used the audio nirvanas and said it was a decent speaker,
though they liked mark audio speakers better....
Sa diyaudio hindi talaga well regarded ang ANs, from what I've read most of them say that the box plans provided by the manufacturer isn't optimized for the drivers. And the others who simulated & designed boxes on their own ended up with underwhelming speakers, the reason: discrepancies in the T/S parameters. To design an enclosure you need the correct T/S parameters of the drivers, and they say that some of the numbers provided by the manufacturer are wrong.
I'm not dissing ANs, in fact I would like to try one since walang malaking drivers ang MAs. But i'm also skeptical because if a simple and honest T/S parameters can't be provided by the manufacturer, then you have to question the integrity of the designer.
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The weird thing that I experienced with my Alpair 7.3 is that I realized that it is a very neutral speaker.
Since it has a metal cone composite material, it doesn't literally need tweeters anymore, the highs are all there, yes for me up to 20khz range (when I connected it to my APPJ mini tube amp before). So some would think that it is a slightly bright sounding speaker. For me, it is not, but rather because it is a very detailed driver.
When I installed it in the dashboard of my car, it sounded like a British speaker: rich, warm, and very inviting, but with naturally recessed highs, I wondered why. I realized now that it was just revealing the sonic signature of my Alpine amp, which is known to produce warm sounding signature. Yun lang nga medyo nagroll-off ang highs, which is lacking for my personal taste. For a metal-cone driver, it is sure warm sounding when connected to a certain "warm" amp.
Now either to experiment with a different car amp, or use the Alpair7 for home use and make another DIY box hahaha. Huwag na muna :p
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Sa diyaudio hindi talaga well regarded ang ANs, from what I've read most of them say that the box plans provided by the manufacturer isn't optimized for the drivers. And the others who simulated & designed boxes on their own ended up with underwhelming speakers, the reason: discrepancies in the T/S parameters. To design an enclosure you need the correct T/S parameters of the drivers, and they say that some of the numbers provided by the manufacturer are wrong.
I'm not dissing ANs, in fact I would like to try one since walang malaking drivers ang MAs. But i'm also skeptical because if a simple and honest T/S parameters can't be provided by the manufacturer, then you have to question the integrity of the designer.
+1 on the driver size. This is one reason why I like to try AN's, they normally have bigger displacement models which means more bass output for certain genres.
Although, I have to admit, when I heard a REL subwoofer perform before, grabe iba talaga ang quality and depth of lows, and it just "vanishes". A dedicated music sub still can't be beat.
Makes me wonder now if I can make a DIY version of a high quality musical sub haha.
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The weird thing that I experienced with my Alpair 7.3 is that I realized that it is a very neutral speaker.
Since it has a metal cone composite material, it doesn't literally need tweeters anymore, the highs are all there, yes for me up to 20khz range (when I connected it to my APPJ mini tube amp before). So some would think that it is a slightly bright sounding speaker. For me, it is not, but rather because it is a very detailed driver.
When I installed it in the dashboard of my car, it sounded like a British speaker: rich, warm, and very inviting, but with naturally recessed highs, I wondered why. I realized now that it was just revealing the sonic signature of my Alpine amp, which is known to produce warm sounding signature. Yun lang nga medyo nagroll-off ang highs, which is lacking for my personal taste. For a metal-cone driver, it is sure warm sounding when connected to a certain "warm" amp.
Now either to experiment with a different car amp, or use the Alpair7 for home use and make another DIY box hahaha. Huwag na muna :p
naku pare, ibang animales ang oto. hahaha. cabin gain and reflections comes into play na. its easy to make it sound full of bass and its very difficult to have a coherent midrange and well-imaging highs.
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Car audio was a big mess in my audio past. Spent the most money on a final system that is nowhere near as good as my dedicated room system. That's not bragging. My dedicated room is terribly flawed acoustically. My car is now empty. Has speakers lang he he. Amp, HU, and sub cabinets.
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Car audio was a big mess in my audio past. Spent the most money on a final system that is nowhere near as good as my dedicated room system. That's not bragging. My dedicated room is terribly flawed acoustically. My car is now empty. As speakers lang he he. Amp, HU, and sub cabinets.
I hear you brother. Amen! hahaha!
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To diy a musical sub, you may want to consider getting a Rythmik sub Kit and build your own box.
This has been done by our fellow member which he published in the following forum:
http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=25235
+1 on the driver size. This is one reason why I like to try AN's, they normally have bigger displacement models which means more bass output for certain genres.
Although, I have to admit, when I heard a REL subwoofer perform before, grabe iba talaga ang quality and depth of lows, and it just "vanishes". A dedicated music sub still can't be beat.
Makes me wonder now if I can make a DIY version of a high quality musical sub haha.
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Agree on the Rythmik. Thanks!
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To diy a musical sub, you may want to consider getting a Rythmik sub Kit and build your own box.
This has been done by our fellow member which he published in the following forum:
http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=25235
Sorry for the OT, but what other subwoofer drivers strictly for audio use would you recommend for a musical sub? An affordable one kahit na car audio sub. 10" or 12" siguro, basta mabilis humabol sa fast punch ng MA's
Para bumagay sa roll-off lows ng MA's (para hindi na OT haha)
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RXV - go with the subs bro. Dual is much preferred. No need to use bigger FR drivers to handle the mids & highs, in fact in my research the recommended FR size for F.A.S.T. is 3" to 4" para wide ang dispersion. Small drivers will always handle the highs better, that's physics. Relieving the Alpairs off of its low level duties will give you better transient response for mids & highs.
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RXV - go with the subs bro. Dual is much preferred. No need to use bigger FR drivers to handle the mids & highs, in fact in my research the recommended FR size for F.A.S.T. is 3" to 4" para wide ang dispersion. Small drivers will always handle the highs better, that's physics. Relieving the Alpairs off of its low level duties will give you better transient response for mids & highs.
Yun na nga naisip ko e. That's why Mark Felon created the Alpair 7P (paper) along with a special separate midbass driver (paper) for a F.A.S.T. system. I haven't seen any reviews of it though.
Anyway, ganun din naman sa car audio ko, Alpair 7.3 is high-passed starting at 160hz, and the rest goes to the dedicated midbass and subwoofer na (lows).
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Sa diyaudio hindi talaga well regarded ang ANs, from what I've read most of them say that the box plans provided by the manufacturer isn't optimized for the drivers. And the others who simulated & designed boxes on their own ended up with underwhelming speakers, the reason: discrepancies in the T/S parameters. To design an enclosure you need the correct T/S parameters of the drivers, and they say that some of the numbers provided by the manufacturer are wrong.
I'm not dissing ANs, in fact I would like to try one since walang malaking drivers ang MAs. But i'm also skeptical because if a simple and honest T/S parameters can't be provided by the manufacturer, then you have to question the integrity of the designer.
sinabi mo pa.....david dicks was banned there...pero i had no hand in that, hindi pa ako moderator ng mga panahong yon.....;)
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My initial impressions on using the egg-crate acoustic foam absorber for both my
Markaudio Alpair 10P and Alpair 7.3 enclosures:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/Nelson_de_Leon/000_0008_zps77d1ee7e.jpg)
VERDICT: Try it! You might regret not to, it's just a couple of hundred bucks anyway. The permanent sonic improvements for me are well worth it.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,200549.msg2273286.html#msg2273288 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,200549.msg2273286.html#msg2273288)
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You could opt to use car audio subs but get the dual vc 4ohms para you could wire it at 8ohms. I once tried the seas leroy and i find it very musical. Also those JL and image dynamics subs. Me nakita ako dati that uses the seas leroy with bash plate amp for home.
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para saan ba yan T/S parameters na yan? O0 ^-^ >:D
swerte na ngayon may mga plans na at most importantly may internet/Google na... back in the late 80's lapis at papel gamit ko for computing Thiele/Small parameters. nun nagkaroon ako ng first pc ko Basic/Qbasic program para mas madali ang computation. ngayon nagkalat na ang simulators na pwede gamitin...
back then, we really relied on the specs given by the driver manufacturer, it's the only thing we have to go on unless gusto maging suntok sa buwan ang box design.
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^ Hindi ko nga rin maintindihan brader Jo, at this day & age sa dami ng tools available, T/S parameters di pa maibigay ng tama? ;D You're a manufacturer for heaven's sake, ano man lang gastusan mo yung tool to measure it. Ang tingin ko it's for marketing, para maging "attractive" ang specs they did some padding.
If it's the frequency response graph maintindihan ko pa kung may discrepancies since ang daming variables dyan. The anechoic chamber alone iba't ibang level ang quality & the measurement tools like the calibrated microphone, price ranges from tens of $ to hundred thousand :)
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^ Hindi ko nga rin maintindihan brader Jo, at this day & age sa dami ng tools available, T/S parameters di pa maibigay ng tama? ;D You're a manufacturer for heaven's sake, ano man lang gastusan mo yung tool to measure it. Ang tingin ko it's for marketing, para maging "attractive" ang specs they did some padding.
If it's the frequency response graph maintindihan ko pa kung may discrepancies since ang daming variables dyan. The anechoic chamber alone iba't ibang level ang quality & the measurement tools like the calibrated microphone, price ranges from tens of $ to hundred thousand :)
Brader, I believe today's manufacturers need not invest in test equipments anymore because there are institutions who offer these tests. And because it's a separate entity who does the actual testing, the results are more viable to the consumer.
Siyempre pag in-house mas forgiving yan, but with today's DIYers naman, mabubuking ka din pag nag padding ka.
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The next driver in mind is JL Audio but its expensive and you still have to design or build the crossover network plus the amplifier. With the Rythmik sub, when you buy the kit, it includes the driver, crossover and amplifier, designed to perform together.
Sorry for the OT, but what other subwoofer drivers strictly for audio use would you recommend for a musical sub? An affordable one kahit na car audio sub. 10" or 12" siguro, basta mabilis humabol sa fast punch ng MA's
Para bumagay sa roll-off lows ng MA's (para hindi na OT haha)
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A new MarkAudio venture:
(http://www.markaudio-sota.com/home.jpg)
System tuning by Dr. Scott Lindgren, same designer of Pensil enclosures for MarkAudio drivers ;)
Here's the link to the website:
http://www.markaudio-sota.com/
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WOW :o
any idea on the price?
...and nasa hong kong lang......
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^ no idea sa pricing brader, need to email their sales for pricing daw. I like the enclosure, seems like Alpair 10.3M yung mids, yung highs parang bagong driver.
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Diba extended na yung 10.3M? Why the need for a HF driver pa.......
The stands seems to be an integral part of the speaker baffle ...... tama ba?
Ang daming experts na kasama sa pag design ng speaker na ito ah......
^ no idea sa pricing brader, need to email their sales for pricing daw. I like the enclosure, seems like Alpair 10.3M yung mids, yung highs parang bagong driver.
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It might be a different driver altogether as they call them Sota 11 & Sota 5 but I think the mid-woofer is a rebranded 10.3M. They added a dedicated driver for the highs para maiwasan yung peaks & valleys sa HF region, dun kasi nagsisimula ang cone break-up.
Diba extended na yung 10.3M? Why the need for a HF driver pa.......
The stands seems to be an integral part of the speaker baffle ...... tama ba?
Ang daming experts na kasama sa pag design ng speaker na ito ah......
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EDIT: integrated nga ang stands, nandun ang crossovers ;)
Regarding stands, i don't know if it's packaged but might be an optional purchase. Added for those looking for aesthetic synergy or higher WAF.
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Hmmmmm ..... kaya pala nagka crossover. Tama.
It might be a different driver altogether as they call them Sota 11 & Sota 5 but I think the mid-woofer is a rebranded 10.3M. They added a dedicated driver for the highs para maiwasan yung peaks & valleys sa HF region, dun kasi nagsisimula ang cone break-up.
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Marami rin palang models...watch the video link below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwSE_MWn2ts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwSE_MWn2ts)
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Sabi nung nagvi-video: "You guys have nice, big, clear sound"
He also said upon learning those are full range drivers: "That's why it's so coherent" ;)
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Sir deist,
Yung woofer mukha ngang 10.3, pero yung tweeters ba ilang inches diameter?
Hindi ba rebranded Alpair 7 ang tweets?
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The Alpair 10 series is 6.5in, looking at the tweeters na ginamit nila mukhang 3-3.5in. Alpair 7 is 4in. I'm guessing bagong iteration ng Alpair 6M
Sir deist,
Yung woofer mukha ngang 10.3, pero yung tweeters ba ilang inches diameter?
Hindi ba rebranded Alpair 7 ang tweets?
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Hmmmm.... sana may magpadala dito locally para ma-audition hehehe
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Yup same here.
Curious to hear a commercial build from mark audio and compare with our DIY builds
Hmmmm.... sana may magpadala dito locally para ma-audition hehehe
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Naku delikado sayo yan brader, sigurado pag na-audition mo paglabas mo ng shop bitbit mo na! hahaha
Sa video ang linaw tumunog. Yung FS with copper color drivers near the side walls daw ang tumutunog sa video :)
Yup same here.
Curious to here a commercial build from mark audio and compare with our DIY builds
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Yikes! self-kulam ito!
Naku delikado sayo yan brader, sigurado pag na-audition mo paglabas mo ng shop bitbit mo na! hahaha
Sa video ang linaw tumunog. Yung FS with copper color drivers near the side walls daw ang tumutunog sa video :)
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New drivers from Markaudio:
Meet the "spider-less" Alpair 5 Gen 2
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/Alpair%205%20g2-1.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/Alpair%205%20g2-1.jpg.html)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/Alpair%205%20g2-2.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/Alpair%205%20g2-2.jpg.html)
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And the CHS-70A
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/CHS70gen1%20%20Eng-1.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/CHS70gen1%20%20Eng-1.jpg.html)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/CHS70gen1%20%20Eng-2.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/CHS70gen1%20%20Eng-2.jpg.html)
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And for those looking for a desktop/computer-speakers, there's a finished product from MA-SOTA, meet the Tozzi One:
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/Tozzi1%20.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/Tozzi1%20.jpg.html)
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And for those looking for a desktop/computer-speakers, there's a finished product from MA-SOTA, meet the Tozzi One:
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/Tozzi1%20.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/Tozzi1%20.jpg.html)
Nice, san nakakabili nito sir deist?
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New drivers from Markaudio:
Meet the "spider-less" Alpair 5 Gen 2
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/Alpair%205%20g2-1.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/Alpair%205%20g2-1.jpg.html)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/deist1/Alpair%205%20g2-2.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/deist1/media/Alpair%205%20g2-2.jpg.html)
Wow....might spider-less 10.4 be forthcoming? >:D
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Naku walang local reseller sir, sa HongKong ang manufacturing facilities ng MarkAudio sir. You can email them for further details;
[email protected]
Nice, san nakakabili nito sir deist?
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I'm also hoping for the spider-less 10.4 sir ;) O0
I think this Alpair 5 Gen 2 is what they used in Viotti One to handle the high frequencies:
(http://www.markaudio-sota.com/home.jpg)
Wow....might spider-less 10.4 be forthcoming? >:D
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So we are now dealing with 2 companies here ...... Mark Audio for the drivers and Mark Audio SOTA for the commercial hi-end built speakers.
Haaaayz .... If we can only build as fast as the new models arrive.....
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Is there a new website or forum for Mark Audio?
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Sinabi mo pa brader! :D
my goal next year is to build 2 sets of speakers, a pair of desktops/BS for computer & FS, my 10P in Pensils will be delegated for HT. This year, I have to finish my fanless PC project (Streacom case on its way, yahoo!) & tube amp.
Haaaayz .... I we can only build as fast as the new models arrive.....
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None that I know of, sila Dave & Chris pa rin source ko ng bagong updates. Marami na rin nakaka-miss sa MA updates in diyAudio. Ngayon nila nararamdaman backlash ng kalokohan nila hehe
Na-intriga ako sa spider-less design brader. What's good about MA is hindi kamahalan ang drivers, @ $200 for a pair of 10 series you can upgrade kahit yearly ;D
Is there a new website or forum for Mark Audio?
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If you need insights and kulam for your fanless PC we should meet para optimal ang configuration.
Sinabi mo pa brader! :D
my goal next year is to build 2 sets of speakers, a pair of desktops/BS for computer & FS, my 10P in Pensils will be delegated for HT. This year, I have to finish my fanless PC project (Streacom case on its way, yahoo!) & tube amp.
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Will do brader, system mo nga ang inspiration ko for this build ^-^ I plan to take this slowly. With incremental hardware upgrades in the near future para hindi agad magsawa. My first goal is to build a dedicated pc for music without any moving internal parts ;)
If you need insights and kulam for your fanless PC we should meet para optimal ang configuration.
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I'm also hoping for the spider-less 10.4 sir ;) O0
I think this Alpair 5 Gen 2 is what they used in Viotti One to handle the high frequencies:
(http://www.markaudio-sota.com/home.jpg)
What is the practical advantage of spider-less drivers ba? Hula ko is for speed,accuracy and detail, at the expense of decreased low frequency extension/xmax. Tama ba?
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The spider is necessary to keep the voice coil aligned and acts like a spring when the cone is in motion. But it is a source of distortion due to backwaves from the cone movement/excursion. Removing the spider in the design will help eliminate distortion thus a more linear sound ;)
What is the practical advantage of spider-less drivers ba? Hula ko is for speed,accuracy and detail, at the expense of decreased low frequency extension/xmax. Tama ba?
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Happy Birthday deist!
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A Preview of Markaudio-Sota Loudspeakers
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1115/Markaudio_Sota_Loudspeakers_Preview.htm (http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1115/Markaudio_Sota_Loudspeakers_Preview.htm)
(http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1115/Markaudio_Sota_Viotta_1_colors.jpg)
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Bitin!
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Where can we get the drivers?
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Singapore - Visit the Mark Audio Singapore website and email Neo.
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How much does it udually cost to ship it in, i.e. Alpair 10.3?
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How much does it udually cost to ship it in, i.e. Alpair 10.3?
Sir here's the quote from Neo:
Dear Frederick,
Thanks for the email.
Cost for a pair is SGD 250 plus shipping of SGD 75. That would be SGD 325 and should takes about a week or two depending on courier availabilty in your area.
Regards,
Neo
I want a pair too, pm me if your interested.
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Mag group buy ba kayo?
nbc
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Mag group buy ba kayo?
nbc
(http://a.fastcompany.net/multisite_files/fastcompany/imagecache/inline-large/inline/2013/11/3021307-inline-fb-thumbsup-printpackaging.jpg)
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Be prepared for customs duties and taxes in the vicinity of US$40-50 per pair.
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Laki pala duties.
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Pag punta ko sa Singapore, dun na lang ako bibili. Hehe.
nbc
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sharing my mark audio alpair 7 gen 3 (low budget) ;D
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/IMG_20151127_152105_zpsupxdegqg.jpg)
before
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/IMG_20151127_172813_zpshhenmfcv.jpg)
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/Mobile%20Uploads/20151127_193131_zpskfqjtnah.jpg)
after
nakatalisod sa FS thread ng alpair 7 from sir jay a week ago(very cheap, bait pa ng owner), honestly speaking, not impressed with the sound, tunog minicompo/di din gaanu nasunod ang specs ng cabinet :-\ , pero almost new yung drivers :) , buti na lng nandyan si sir remington, he told me na ako na bahala sayang ang box >:D = sorry guys my pencil box type now converted to double box reflex (breaking the rules)
cost of tweaking (P150.00)
result after tweaking = anak ng !!!!!! panalo + 2 bottles of red wine & 2 bottles of sanmig light ( di nako umiinom pero nabalik ako sa inom ) very tight ang bass, airy, ganda ng highs not fatiguing & higit sa lahat very natural nka JACKPOT naman :) malaki pa igganda ng tunog nito hehehe, slamat sir cal for pushing me sa MA's, slmat sir coooltoyzph sa wheels lupet and thanks sir jhun for tweaking my BOX, excellent result / sarap pa ng ramen while waiting :o hehehehe sa sobrang happy inabot lng kami ng 1am ng umaga ;) >:D
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revelation yang alpair 7 sir hindi din ako maka paniwala ganun magiging SQ nya after the tweak. Simply amazing! Small wonder yan sir.Lalo siguro pag fully burn in na. Congrats! Nalasing tayo hehehehe
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Congrats jerryidol. Welcome to the club.
200 hours break-in...... please relax on the volume unitl you have reached 200 hours just to prevent from damaging the drivers.
The alpair 7 is a well regarded driver that outperforms a lot of commercial hifi speakers.
In the future, explore the frugal horn XL as the Alpair 7 excels in that box. The box design can be bought from the designer at a minimal fee.
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Congrats jerryidol! I told you JACKPOT ka! :D
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Congrats jerryidol. Welcome to the club.
200 hours break-in...... please relax on the volume unitl you have reached 200 hours just to prevent from damaging the drivers.
The alpair 7 is a well regarded driver that outperforms a lot of commercial hifi speakers.
In the future, explore the frugal horn XL as the Alpair 7 excels in that box. The box design can be bought from the designer at a minimal fee.
Di ba Frugel-horn MK3 ang bagay sa Alpair 7.3?
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revelation yang alpair 7 sir hindi din ako maka paniwala ganun magiging SQ nya after the tweak. Simply amazing! Small wonder yan sir.Lalo siguro pag fully burn in na. Congrats! Nalasing tayo hehehehe
small wonder tlga sir jhun thanks :)Congrats jerryidol. Welcome to the club.
200 hours break-in...... please relax on the volume unitl you have reached 200 hours just to prevent from damaging the drivers.
The alpair 7 is a well regarded driver that outperforms a lot of commercial hifi speakers.
In the future, explore the frugal horn XL as the Alpair 7 excels in that box. The box design can be bought from the designer at a minimal fee.
thanks sir joeygs, patience lang kailangan(my weakness ;D), nakaka tukso lng po tlga ilakas eh, will consider your suggested box, enjoy ko muna po sir for the meantime, very happy with the result ;) next upgrade internal wires of sir cal :)
Congrats jerryidol! I told you JACKPOT ka! :D
thanks sir jen, ang mura pa :)
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Oh yes, you are right the FHMK3 is for the Alpair 7.3, which is free for download.
I got confused ..... the FHXL is for the Alpair 10 series pala
Di ba Frugel-horn MK3 ang bagay sa Alpair 7.3?
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Yes, Cal would know the appropriate wire configuration for your 7.3 as we already made several iterations that will make it optimal.
Your internal and external wires should be the same configuration.
thanks sir joeygs, patience lang kailangan(my weakness ;D), nakaka tukso lng po tlga ilakas eh, will consider your suggested box, enjoy ko muna po sir for the meantime, very happy with the result ;) next upgrade internal wires of sir cal :)
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Yes, Cal would know the appropriate wire configuration for your 7.3 as we already made several iterations that will make it optimal.
Your internal and external wires should be the same configuration.
[/quote]copy sir joeygs, thanks po ulit
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sharing my mark audio alpair 7 gen 3 (low budget) ;D
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/IMG_20151127_152105_zpsupxdegqg.jpg)
before
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/IMG_20151127_172813_zpshhenmfcv.jpg)
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/Mobile%20Uploads/20151127_193131_zpskfqjtnah.jpg)
after
nakatalisod sa FS thread ng alpair 7 from sir jay a week ago(very cheap, bait pa ng owner), honestly speaking, not impressed with the sound, tunog minicompo/di din gaanu nasunod ang specs ng cabinet :-\ , pero almost new yung drivers :) , buti na lng nandyan si sir remington, he told me na ako na bahala sayang ang box >:D = sorry guys my pencil box type now converted to double box reflex (breaking the rules)
cost of tweaking (P150.00)
result after tweaking = anak ng !!!!!! panalo + 2 bottles of red wine & 2 bottles of sanmig light ( di nako umiinom pero nabalik ako sa inom ) very tight ang bass, airy, ganda ng highs not fatiguing & higit sa lahat very natural nka JACKPOT naman :) malaki pa igganda ng tunog nito hehehe, slamat sir cal for pushing me sa MA's, slmat sir coooltoyzph sa wheels lupet and thanks sir jhun for tweaking my BOX, excellent result / sarap pa ng ramen while waiting :o hehehehe sa sobrang happy inabot lng kami ng 1am ng umaga ;) >:D
Sir jerryidol,
Based on my experience, JoeyGS is right, you will achieve optimal sound after 200hrs break in for the Alpair7.3.
At 100 hours, ramdam na naman ang difference, but 200hrs mas swabe pa. It will slightly take the edginess out of the Alpair 7.3's sound (metal cone).
I haven't hear Alpair 7 in tower enclosure though. Narinig ko pa lang siya sa bookshelf as well as pods (for car).
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hi sir rxv,
saw your diy post, what a masterpiece :) napakaganda, congrats po, yes sir matagal tagal pa to( torture stage ako ngyon ;D) , at least big improvement after tweaking, ganda ng bass sir rxv pag floorstander ok n ok :) thanks sir ;)
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/jerryidol/Mobile%20Uploads/20151205_084535_zpsus2ksbvx.jpg)
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Thanks sir, tagal na nun hehe. I also hope to start biulding DIY builds again when I'm not busy by next year :p
Curious tuloy ako kung ano tunog ng Alpair7 in floorstander :)
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How much does it udually cost to ship it in, i.e. Alpair 10.3?
Kahit may bagyo, dumating pa din kahapon...
Alpair 10M-Grey & 10P
(http://s5.postimg.org/lcaixlp87/Alpair_10_P_M.jpg)
sa kabila naman AN Horn 8", , kumpleto ang pasko ;D
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Kahit may bagyo, dumating pa din kahapon...
Alpair 10M-Grey & 10P
(http://s5.postimg.org/lcaixlp87/Alpair_10_P_M.jpg)
sa kabila naman AN Horn 8", , kumpleto ang pasko ;D
TAmang tama na modify ko na SMSL SA 36a Pro mo...pang break in sa mga speakers mo bago.... Akala ko ang pasko para lang sa mga bata. Means, batang bata ka pa bro. Dami mo pamasko sa sarili mo.. :)
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Bro, yan ang inlfuence ni Remington - pamasko sa sarili. After a year of hardwork, we owe it to ourselves, ika nga ;D
Gusto ko na nga subukan ung modified 36a-pro kaso busy lang talaga, kaya ayun pang burn-in ko AMX Aria
(http://s5.postimg.org/rriqlrapj/Alpair_10p_Aria.jpg)
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Kumusta sonic diff ng 10m and 10p?
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Kumusta sonic diff ng 10m and 10p?
Sir, di ko pa nasubukan yung 10M... para sa 'yo yun eh. Sigurado ako OK din yan - my previous metal cone CHR-70, masaya na ako.
burn-in pa lang ng 10P, napapangiti na ako >:D
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Congrats on the 10M and 10P
Would suggest the pensil or frugal horn boxes for these drivers. Good luck!
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Wow, I would love to hear the sonic differences of Alpair 10P and 10M
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...frugal horn boxes for these drivers....
FH-XL, January na siguro sisimulan 'to. Thanks ;D
(http://s5.postimg.org/umwabzvnb/Frugel_Horn_Cam5b.jpg)
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Nice!
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Question mga sirs...
Kakayanin ba idrive ng 2a3 ang MArk Audio Full range spkrs?
thanks
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Markaudio Pluvia
MarkAudio Pluvia Seven 4" Full Range in Vintage Gold (slightly Copper Colored)
Pluvia Seven Extended Full Range audio driver.
The Pluvia Seven driver is a new type of small driver from MarkAudio. While it's mechanically similar to the CHR-70 series drivers, its major design features are more advanced.
The main feature of this Pluvia is its new low-mass thin profile glass-fibre injected chassis (frame). This chassis design has taken 2 years of research and development to produce a highly damped strong frame that makes installation easy. Pluvia Seven can be either surface mounted or recessed into a loudspeaker box. The chassis mounting depth is only 3.5mm making it easy fit for either type of installation. The chassis appearance is high quality, with a professional industry finish that makes the Pluvia Seven look expensive while it remains affordable.
The Pluvia Seven features a new shape cap and revised suspensions giving it a wide range with controlled mid response to help reduce “shout,” typical of many small wide band drivers. Pluvia’s cones use the latest profiles from designer Mark Fenlon, featuring 2 new colours, Vintage Gold and Soft Chrome. Vocals on this Pluvia are clear and natural. Baffle Step Compensation (BSC) is enhanced on the new suspension layout, making this driver more effective in combatting box losses in the low range. Other new features include longer gold plated connectors for easier soldering or using clamp type connectors.
The new Pluvia Seven is an excellent high-end and multi-purpose driver. It's also suitable for many computer, Home Theatre, TV, and commercial A/V applications.
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/preview/pluvia-7-gold.jpg)
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/preview/pluvia-7-grey.jpg)
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/secondary/pluvia-7-gold-3.jpg)
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Nice!
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Newbie question, What is the advantage of glass-fiber chasis over Cast iron?
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Newbie question, What is the advantage of glass-fiber chasis over Cast iron?
My guess is more damping and less chances of "ringing" for the frame chassis.
Wala kayang upated version ng Alpair 7 and 10?
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tanung din po mga sirs, how much po kaya landed price ng MarkAudio Alpair 12P? , wala kayang group buy? TIA ;)
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You can go to the Mark Audio - singapore website and contact Neo. He can give you prices including shipping costs.
tanung din po mga sirs, how much po kaya landed price ng MarkAudio Alpair 12P? , wala kayang group buy? TIA ;)
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share lang may latest build :)
Alpair 10p on Erich Hartmann's 15liters BS
(http://s5.postimg.org/g9zcvdprr/Erich_BS_Alpair10_Layout1.jpg)
primer pa lang....
(http://s5.postimg.org/y1fknkuk7/Erich_Hartmann_10p.jpg)
I am not expecting much from this enclosure.... i just want a pair of speaker while the "house" is in construction phase but i was surprised by the full bodied sound, as if i'm listening from a floor stander.
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Congratulations!
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Looks like a KEF LS50
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Congratulations!
Thank you sir... hanggang DiY lang ako :)
Looks like a KEF LS50
Ang ganda naman nung KEF...
ito talaga ang plan ko, kaso wala pang paglalagyan na maayus kaya inuna ko muna listening room.
(http://s5.postimg.org/3mvg0z2lz/Frugel_Horn_Cam5.jpg)
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share lang may latest build :)
Alpair 10p on Erich Hartmann's 15liters BS
(http://s5.postimg.org/g9zcvdprr/Erich_BS_Alpair10_Layout1.jpg)
primer pa lang....
(http://s5.postimg.org/y1fknkuk7/Erich_Hartmann_10p.jpg)
I am not expecting much from this enclosure.... i just want a pair of speaker while the "house" is in construction phase but i was surprised by the full bodied sound, as if i'm listening from a floor stander.
Congrats! Sana marinig ko na mga speakers mo bro. Puwede sa Horn 4 ito box mo. How much bro.
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Nice builds mga sir.
I've been browsing this thread for quite some time and I'm planning to build one myself in the future.
Now, my question is do you guys have a guide on which drivers to use for certain applications?
Andami kasi ng mga models, aside for the price, what else do you consider in choosing what drivers to use?
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Congrats! Sana marinig ko na mga speakers mo bro. Puwede sa Horn 4 ito box mo. How much bro.
Bro, try ko this weekend - dalhin ko sa inyo.
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Thank you sir... hanggang DiY lang ako :) Ang ganda naman nung KEF...
ito talaga ang plan ko, kaso wala pang paglalagyan na maayus kaya inuna ko muna listening room.
(http://s5.postimg.org/3mvg0z2lz/Frugel_Horn_Cam5.jpg)
Exactly my idea for an enclosure, divine proportions or universal symmetry. 1 : 1.618 from top to bottom, like a trumpet pointing downward.
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Alpair 10p -Eric Hartmann Box in action at bro Monreq's domain ;D
(http://s5.postimg.org/5xdkg7po7/ma1.jpg)
(http://s5.postimg.org/61bza7kjb/ma2.jpg)
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may I ask what material you used? I was hoping to use marine ply for a quick fix test box sana. But knowing me that test box would probably end up being used frequently.
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18mm MDF sir jojo....
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What we did is to read the forum topics at diyaudio.com on Mark Audio drivers users forum and Full Range forum topic. Professional speaker builders supported Mark Audio by providing free box designs in the forum for each driver that comes out and test results were discussed.
Nice builds mga sir.
I've been browsing this thread for quite some time and I'm planning to build one myself in the future.
Now, my question is do you guys have a guide on which drivers to use for certain applications?
Andami kasi ng mga models, aside for the price, what else do you consider in choosing what drivers to use?
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18mm MDF sir jojo....
thanks sir and can I please have an idea how much is a 4'x8'?
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thanks sir and can I please have an idea how much is a 4'x8'?
1250/sheet [4'x8'] :)
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bro Fred,
saan ka nakabili ng MDF? meron ba malapit sa area natin?
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bro Fred,
saan ka nakabili ng MDF? meron ba malapit sa area natin?
dito lang bro sa may Bacoor [Formerly Molino] Blvd...mukhang walang tigil ang projects mo ;D
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dito lang bro sa may Bacoor [Formerly Molino] Blvd...mukhang walang tigil ang projects mo ;D
hehehehe dami kong fullrange driver na nakatambak,nag upgrade ako ng driver doon sa array ko kaya 8 na drivers ang nakatambak kaya naisipan ko gawan ng box.
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1250/sheet [4'x8'] :)
thanks for the info sir. :)
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My guess is more damping and less chances of "ringing" for the frame chassis.
Wala kayang upated version ng Alpair 7 and 10?
add to that the lower cost of production...my guess...
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The Pluvia 7 is the latest but the Alpair 7.3 is still regarded as the best in the 4" category. The Pluvia seven was said to be in the middle of the CHR70.3 and the Alpair 7.3.
Wala kayang upated version ng Alpair 7 and 10?
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Nice 6moons review on the 7.3
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/eist/3.html
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Nice read, Tony. Thanks for sharing... 8)
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Share ko lang..Just got from Neo today. Alpair 7.3
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/IMG_17211_zpstth5xcya.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/IMG_17211_zpstth5xcya.jpg.html)
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Those drivers will be great for the Frugel Horn MK3 box!
http://www.frugal-horn.com/FH3.html
(http://www.frugal-horn.com/images/FH-Mk3-colin-fr-300.jpg)
(http://www.frugal-horn.com/images/FHMK3-3D-GS700.gif)
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Latest Build -- Mark Audio Alpiar 10.3M on Frugel Horn XL box
From this:
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/20160803_142704_zpsmapgawjf.jpg)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/14081452_1367886123240766_35131849_n_zpstdijyg7y.jpg)
To this:
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/0_20160823_181635_zpsdsddn57d.jpg)
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Nice build, Joey. ..are those outriggers made of wood also?
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Planning to make a BS size box for my alpair 7 and put a woofer for LF to compliment with it and a simple xover. Maybe i should ask Anthony to make for me; still waiting for his reply. Wla akong space sa bahay for FS size box kasi. Sana maging ok resulta.
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Nice build, Joey. ..are those outriggers made of wood also?
oo brad. Ash yung outriggers pero meron spikes.
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oo brad. Ash yung outriggers pero meron spikes.
Well hadcrafted, Sonny!👍👍👍
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The metal outriggers available in the US are so expensive.
Well hadcrafted, Sonny!👍👍👍
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To simplify, why not just integrate an audio subwoofer with the alpair 7.
Integrating a woofer with the alpair 7 will need a well designed crossover so that they will integrate well. Maybe, for me, I just wanted to maximize the potential of the Alpair 7 and just let thee audio subwoofer handle the low frequency beyond the capability of the Alpair 7.
Planning to make a BS size box for my alpair 7 and put a woofer for LF to compliment with it and a simple xover. Maybe i should ask Anthony to make for me; still waiting for his reply. Wla akong space sa bahay for FS size box kasi. Sana maging ok resulta.
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Pwede rin po ganun Sir. Hintayin ko rn advise ni Anthony kung ano sa palagay niya. Thank you sa suggestion Sir.
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The metal outriggers available in the US are so expensive.
We can fabricate locally, Joey.
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Break-in muna...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/14089374_1372552582774120_1780992750_n_zps0v8q4id9.jpg)
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Break-in muna...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/14089374_1372552582774120_1780992750_n_zps0v8q4id9.jpg)
Initial impression naman dyan!
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Have considered that also. Maybe in the future.
We can fabricate locally, Joey.
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Initial impressions:
Mabigat siya
Malinis ang pagkakagawa
Solid ang walls and mukhang walang resonance
Maganda color combination
Stable ang outriggers
Precision fit and mga drivers
Tumutunog naman ........
..... Yan muna
Initial impression naman dyan!
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Planning to make a BS size box for my alpair 7 and put a woofer for LF to compliment with it and a simple xover. Maybe i should ask Anthony to make for me; still waiting for his reply. Wla akong space sa bahay for FS size box kasi. Sana maging ok resulta.
here' the plan of 7P+12PW.... sir, ilalagay nyo rin naman sa stand/pedestal yung BS so halos ganun pa din ang ang footprint nun O0
(https://s5.postimg.org/4kztmjmpj/7p_12p_1.jpg)
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Latest Build -- Mark Audio Alpiar 10.3M on Frugel Horn XL box
ganda sir JoeyGS, congats... naunahan mo ako :D
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Awesome build! Congrats! 8)
Now I know what I want to be when I grow up. ;D
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Initial impressions:
Mabigat siya
Malinis ang pagkakagawa
Solid ang walls and mukhang walang resonance
Maganda color combination
Stable ang outriggers
Precision fit and mga drivers
Tumutunog naman ........
..... Yan muna
Alam ko nmn na yan....:-)
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Kaya you are next na! You won't regret it.
The forum topic at DIYaudio has lots of information and feedback making it a desirable speaker project....
ganda sir JoeyGS, congats... naunahan mo ako :D
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Grown up ka na kaya .... may ilalaki ka pa ba? Ikahon na kasi ang MA drivers mo
Awesome build! Congrats! 8)
Now I know what I want to be when I grow up. ;D
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here' the plan of 7P+12PW.... sir, ilalagay nyo rin naman sa stand/pedestal yung BS so halos ganun pa din ang ang footprint nun O0
(https://s5.postimg.org/4kztmjmpj/7p_12p_1.jpg)
meron akong alpair 12p na BS sir na pinag experimentuhan ko sa onken enclosure..hanggang ngayon gamit ko parin at masaya ako sa performance..kaya lang kung gagawing ko itong 7p+12pw, di kaya magkaiba siya ksi 12p lang ung sakin? actually humingi ako kay neo nga desig identical to this pero still have to consider ung space sa bahay..sa BS ksi pwede ko siya ilagay sa hanging desk na di kailangan ng stands e..thank you Sir sa advise.
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Grown up ka na kaya .... may ilalaki ka pa ba? Ikahon na kasi ang MA drivers mo
Aba walang masama mangarap na lumaki pa! Hahaha! Wala pa paglalagyan eh, pag meron na. ;)
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Aba walang masama mangarap na lumaki pa! Hahaha! Wala pa paglalagyan eh, pag meron na. ;)
Meron pa paglalagyan yan...ituloy mo lng ang gawain mo. Hehehe
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Meron pa paglalagyan yan...ituloy mo lng ang gawain mo. Hehehe
Parang ayaw mo pa ako mag retire brad, gustong gusto ko na mag kape sa ilalim ng puno... na may nakasabit na chr70 :D
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MarkAudio Pluvia Eleven 6" Metal Cone Full Range with Gold Cone Color
The Full Range audio driver that produces more bass
The Pluvia 11 is a completely new driver design. It is the first “full range” driver that can handle bass loads typically delivered by 5.5 inch to 6.5 inch mid-bass units used in most 2 way systems.
The Pluvia 11 cone is an entirely new design from Mark Fenlon. It uses a new super-strength aerospace grade alloy designed to cope with high bending stress loads. The material thickness is increased by 50% over previous Markaudio designs, yet the profile remains shallow to increase dispersion. Two more processes have been added to the Multiform cone production sequence to increase Pluvia 11's operational low frequency load capacity.
The all-new front suspension has a variable thickness geometry, increasing oscillatory stability by 30% over previous designs. The rear suspension (spider) has an operational surface area 25% larger than the Alpair 10 to cope with load demands of typical mid-bass units. However, the Pluvia 11’s high range has not been sacrificed. It outperforms the smaller Alpair 10 by reaching slightly higher frequencies with an improved spread on the high-range lift above 10kHz. Other design advances include the new “easy install” frame. This new-technology one-piece moulding utilises a GF30 glass fibre and resin mix. Pluvia 11’s frame is more rigid than previous designs, with a mounting depth of only 4.5mm, making both recessed and surface-mounting simple. Two new cone colours add visual interest. Along with the Pluvia 7, this new family of drivers will serve custom builders well into the future.
For the first time in the history of traditional full-range driver design, users now have a genuine choice to go full-range without sacrificing bass handling, or use it as a wide-range mid-bass driver that allows simple filtering.
The new Pluvia Eleven is an excellent high-end and multi-purpose driver. It's also suitable for many
computer, Home Theatre, TV, and commercial A/V applications.
Suggested box alignments:
Sealed box of 0.2 cubic foot for an 3dB down of about 105Hz
Vented box of 0.3 cubic foot with 1.5" diameter vent by 5" long for 3dB down of about 60Hz
Vented box of 0.4 cubic foot with 2" diameter vent by 6" long for 3dB down of about 55Hz
Vented box of 0.5 cubic foot with 2" diameter vent by 5" long for 3dB down of about 50Hz
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/pluvia-11-gold.jpg)
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/secondary/pluvia-11-gold-3.jpg)
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/secondary/pluvia-11-gold-2.jpg)
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/PLUVIA11-specs.jpg)
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/PLUVIA11-mech.jpg)
(https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/secondary/pluvia-11-gold-1.jpg)
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Hi guys, selling my speakers Mark Fenlon CHR 70 124mm. The drivers are in perfect condition. Only used it twice, one is for product review and recently tested the speakers if still working. It's been in storage and would like to sell for 14000 (4 raw drivers with an in-house designed box) or make an offer. The drivers are in perfect condition.
Unable to upload photos, but here's the link of how it looks like https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=Alpair+12+driver&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfy8_n2_rOAhVTv5QKHe9PBsgQ_AUICCgB&biw=1366&bih=643#tbm=isch&q=chr+70+in+an+inhouse+desinged+box&imgrc=qVXAJZiDlrpmSM%3A
Can anyone teach me how to upload photos here please.
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Save your photos in a web photo service like photobucket or flickr. Then copy the links of each photo from the web photo service site and use the "insert image" function with the copied links.
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here' the plan of 7P+12PW.... sir, ilalagay nyo rin naman sa stand/pedestal yung BS so halos ganun pa din ang ang footprint nun O0
(https://s5.postimg.org/4kztmjmpj/7p_12p_1.jpg)
Good day mga bros, meron ba kayong alam na pwede gumawa ng xover ng alpair 7 and 12, ung nasa taas? Di na daw tumatanggap si DIY Master ng custom e.. Thanks.
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Break-in muna...
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab180/timber7153/14089374_1372552582774120_1780992750_n_zps0v8q4id9.jpg)
wow ganda, congrats sir joeygs, sir pm naman kung how much po inabot ng materials, planning po sana sa alpair 7.3 ko, TIA sir joeygs
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Wow, that is one very nice Alpair enclosure. Have you compared it (sound) with a regular Pensil enclosure (using 10.3)?
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Best if you can pm timber715 for the box only. I supplied the stuffing (very cheap - less than 200pesos), binding post (depending on your preference), drivers (bought it in singapore). Provide timber715 with the plans of the 7.3 and he can estimate the plywood materials needed.
Also, the price for the Alpair 7.3 would entirely be different because it is a smaller enclosure requiring less plywood.
wow ganda, congrats sir joeygs, sir pm naman kung how much po inabot ng materials, planning po sana sa alpair 7.3 ko, TIA sir joeygs
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I really have not compared the 2 boxes with the same driver.
However, the pensil has a front port which is easier to position and tune the bass response. The FHXL has a rear port which needs to be positioned from the front wall with respect to your preference interms of bass response. For me, it seems that the overall frequency response output is more refined with the FHXL.
Wow, that is one very nice Alpair enclosure. Have you compared it (sound) with a regular Pensil enclosure (using 10.3)?
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Another thing, if you use the 6inch drivers with either pensil or frugel horn boxes, you may not need a subwoofer for most of your music material. The 4 inch drivers, including the famous Alpair 7.3, would need a subwoofer or a bass woofer to augment the low frequency.
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Anybody planning a group buy?
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Will MLTL design work well with the 10.3?
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Hi Tony,
Refer to the link: http://frugal-phile.com/boxes-markaudio.html
It has MLTL designs for the Alpair 10 and 10.2 versions.
Bob Brines has his design for the Alpair 10.3: http://www.brinesacoustics.com/Pages/M10-A10/Main.html
You can buy the plans from Bob for $25
You may PM them at diyaudio threads as follows:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/index4.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/planet-10-hifi/
Will MLTL design work well with the 10.3?
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There is also a full discussion of the MLTL design for the alpair 10 driver as follows:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/137585-mark-audio-alpair-10-mltl-design.html
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Thanks Joey!
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bookmarked ;)
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Pluvia 11 is already out.....6 incher....next big thing?
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-6-fullrange/markaudio-pluvia-eleven-grey-6-full-range/
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Nice specifications and the indicated improvement is very enticing!
Pluvia 11 is already out.....6 incher....next big thing?
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-6-fullrange/markaudio-pluvia-eleven-grey-6-full-range/
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Hot off the press pluvia 11 endorsement:
http://hifipig.com/pensil-cabinet-kit-with-pluvia-eleven-drivers/
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Happy birtday Joeygs....
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Maraming salamat brader!
Happy birtday Joeygs....
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Would anyone know where I can get Markaudio in Japan? and which to get, planning to make a smallish bookshelf.
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Japan
Main Distributor: Fidelitatem
Email Norio Nakajima San: [email protected]
Fidelitatum site: http://www.fidelitatem-sound.com
For a 4" driver, the best is the alpair 7.3
Would anyone know where I can get Markaudio in Japan? and which to get, planning to make a smallish bookshelf.
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salamat brader, baka di na umabot... kulitin ko na lang si Jojod alam ko meron pa sya.
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If you know someone from Singapore na uuwi meron din seller dun
salamat brader, baka di na umabot... kulitin ko na lang si Jojod alam ko meron pa sya.
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Good day powerfullrangers, share ko lang..xover lang muna ng alpair 7 and 12 combo courtesy of MR EDREL SISON. wala pang oras gawin ang enclosure.. ;D
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/IMG_2301_zpsbymrpn9j.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/IMG_2301_zpsbymrpn9j.jpg.html)
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wow, very nice project, parinig naman sir joesat pag ok na hehehe ;)
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Nice project joesat.
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Wow! Interesting build
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Thanks mga Sir. How I wish na may mga master builders din and a lot of quality plywood to choose from sa lugar namin. Kaso limited lang talaga, so make the best out of what's available nalang. Post ko nalang dito pag tapos na.. ;D
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ano nga po pala yung email add ni neo?
plannning to email him for some inquiries.
thanks
was trying to access the singapore Markaudio link pero ayaw magload e
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ano nga po pala yung email add ni neo?
plannning to email him for some inquiries.
thanks
was trying to access the singapore Markaudio link pero ayaw magload e
Sir, try mo 'to,
Neo Kim Thye <[email protected]>
Kung o-order kayo - parandam naman, baka pwede makisabay :-[
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makikisabay din sir just in case ;) group buy na :o
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hehehehe
oo nga group buy na lang magiinquire sana ako ng price. at ng makapagipon ng piso piso araw araw
hehehe baka alam nyo latest price nito pashare na lang
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last time na bumili ako, 2 pairs of Alpair 10, inabot ng Php13,500/pair ang landed price [driver+shipping+tax].
mukhang mas mababa ngayun ang price ng Alpair [base sa current prices sa Madison] may bago kasi - Pluvia :).
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Ok,
How about the the CHR 70? Is there any difference in price for paper or metal cones?
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Mga Sir's Makikisabay rin sana ako sa Alpair 10 or Alpair 12P
just in case may group buy... :)
Maraming Salamat
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testing muna..kaya makalat... :)
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/IMG_2501_zps01bsroqg.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/IMG_2501_zps01bsroqg.jpg.html)
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share ko lang..alpair 7 and 12 combo ( 7 in closed compartment, 12 in double bass reflex)...mejo minadali ung finish..pero maganda ung sound quality..very detailed ung mids..controlled bottom and highs..
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/IMG_2502_zpsjbhxueg6.jpg)
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testing muna..kaya makalat... :)
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab253/joesato/IMG_2501_zps01bsroqg.jpg) (http://s869.photobucket.com/user/joesato/media/IMG_2501_zps01bsroqg.jpg.html)
Sir how did you know what xover points to use?
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sir base din po sa recommended xover sa enclosure plan na binigay ng mark audio
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Congrats joesat
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@joesat
Very nice! How did you build the crossover? Did you buy it pre-made or DIY?
The Alpair 7 needs some break-in time to perform at its best. Sa simula medyo harsh/edgy siya at highs, but after a while (100 hrs and up, even up to 200 hrs), warm sounding na siya with details galore :)
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Thanks mga Sir..xover pinagawa ko po kay Mr. Edrel Sison...I agree about alpair 7, sa mid/high very detailed talaga...so far around 50 hours na siya and ok naman...
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Pag na frustate ka sir sa breaking period saluhin ko sir mark audio mo hahaha ;D, congrats ulit sir joesat :)
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Actually at 50 hours, malaking improvement na. But magugulat ka after 100-200 hours meron pa rin improvement :D
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Pag na frustate ka sir sa breaking period saluhin ko sir mark audio mo hahaha ;D, congrats ulit sir joesat :)
hehe..thanks ;D
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May nakasubok na ba ng alpair 10 with flea amps like 2a3? Kaya ba?
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I haven't personally connected the Alpair 10P (90db sensitivity) with a 2a3 amp, but I have paired it with a 3.5watts APPJ mini tube amp with great results. Good for small bedrooms, for medium sized rooms pwede but for casual listening lang. Don't expect heavy dynamics and punch in these conditions
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I was asked by a friend to make a modified down firing single chambered pencil box for his alpair 7.3. The outcome was very rewarding and the owner was very pleased with the outcome of the sound...
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171116_165720_zpswlvs3mca.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171116_165720_zpswlvs3mca.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171116_154448_zps4f9nvygm.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171116_154448_zps4f9nvygm.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171126_122546_zpswpjb4ugc.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171126_122546_zpswpjb4ugc.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171130_170831_zpslimly5e1.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171130_170831_zpslimly5e1.jpg.html)
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^ naku IDOL ang owner ng speakers na yan!
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yes sir jojo idol na lodi pa hehehe
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It's official, these clones are staying in my setup. Unlike the original Pioneer PT-6, these clones took a bit of fiddling to integrate it to my Markaudio speakers. My main goal was to augment some "sizzle" to the falling upper frequency response of my main speakers... and so it did. The lack of proper data from the manufacturer meant that I had to rely on some "old school" ways for the crossover filters but it was all fun and worth it. 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/1jIDNDt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/o4r6ssV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XUiZ8ec.jpg)
We played Chuck Mangione's Bellavia and it passed with flying colors. Well, at least to our ears (happy wife = happy life). ;)
I was fortunate na napakinggan ko ang setup ni sir Jojo. Napahanga ako sa tunog ng speakers nya. From classical to vocals to jazz to marching band, kayang kaya ng speakers nya. Tamang tama ang highs mids and lows nito. Maganda rin ang bass nito. At hindi nakakapagod makinig ng mga tugtog.
Two thumbs up sa inyo, sir Jojo. Pati rin sa Mark Audio!
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I was asked by a friend to make a modified down firing single chambered pencil box for his alpair 7.3. The outcome was very rewarding and the owner was very pleased with the outcome of the sound...
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171116_165720_zpswlvs3mca.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171116_165720_zpswlvs3mca.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171116_154448_zps4f9nvygm.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171116_154448_zps4f9nvygm.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171126_122546_zpswpjb4ugc.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171126_122546_zpswpjb4ugc.jpg.html)
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b622/remington0624/20171130_170831_zpslimly5e1.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/remington0624/media/20171130_170831_zpslimly5e1.jpg.html)
danda danda naman nito.
sir Remington, pwede ba ishare yung mga dimensions ng cabinets na to?
hehehe
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Medyo bitin din ako sa sparkle. Ano okay kaya na tweeter? Patong ko lang sa pensil enclosure sana.
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Sharing here my recent MarkAudio build - the Pluvia7
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1855/44446275311_a80a5679cd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aHyMaz)Pluvia7_4 (https://flic.kr/p/2aHyMaz) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1887/44446274501_fa4d3853ab_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aHyLVB)Pluvia7_7 (https://flic.kr/p/2aHyLVB) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1894/44396857402_055906213d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aDcuWE)Pluvia7_3 (https://flic.kr/p/2aDcuWE) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1878/43728683754_b80f638f97_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29C9Wcm)Pluvia7_1 (https://flic.kr/p/29C9Wcm) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1867/44396857792_16d2b98446_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aDcv4o)Pluvia7_2 (https://flic.kr/p/2aDcv4o) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1896/29508315797_e470ca34b8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LXxQet)Pluvia7_5 (https://flic.kr/p/LXxQet) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1865/44396856962_11ec600186_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aDcuP5)Pluvia7_6 (https://flic.kr/p/2aDcuP5) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1843/29508314527_39028625ee_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LXxPRz)Pluvia7_9 (https://flic.kr/p/LXxPRz) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
Thanks ;)
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Very nice!!!
Ilang plywood ang nagamit diyan? :o
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Thanks RXV! 1.5 sheets yata. The tricky parts are the top,bottom and sides because of "translam" construction ;)
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downported ito sir? nice build!
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Yes sir. Down-firing port. Thanks :)
downported ito sir? nice build!
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Hi everyone. Completed this build just the other day. They are Alpair 10.3 in MLTL enclosures with down-firing port. Enclosure is in solid mahogany. This build is for a "brader" and he's very happy with the outcome.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1902/45486380071_2a9195a408_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2citA5g)JG_MLTL_10.3_2 (https://flic.kr/p/2citA5g) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1979/45486379711_a72444c6ea_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2citzY4)JG_MLTL_10.3_4 (https://flic.kr/p/2citzY4) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1968/31613169828_21588bee79_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QaxL1d)JG_MLTL_10.3_6 (https://flic.kr/p/QaxL1d) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1963/31613169028_f630a52d50_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QaxKLq)JG_MLTL_10.3_11 (https://flic.kr/p/QaxKLq) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1914/45435154952_b7587b1eec_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3Cy)JG_MLTL_10.3_12 (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3Cy) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
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More pics...
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1970/31613169378_4df7aac9f1.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QaxKSs)JG_MLTL_10.3_8 (https://flic.kr/p/QaxKSs) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1916/45486379491_b6c892ce08.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2citzUg)JG_MLTL_10.3_7 (https://flic.kr/p/2citzUg) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1916/45486379431_7357667f3b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2citzTe)JG_MLTL_10.3_9 (https://flic.kr/p/2citzTe) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1923/45435155252_8ea350307b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3HJ)JG_MLTL_10.3_10 (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3HJ) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1936/45435154602_cd8ffc7244.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3ww)JG_MLTL_10.3_13 (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3ww) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
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(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1923/45435155252_8ea350307b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3HJ)JG_MLTL_10.3_10 (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3HJ) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1936/45435154602_cd8ffc7244.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3ww)JG_MLTL_10.3_13 (https://flic.kr/p/2cdX3ww) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
New owner viber'd me a short video of these babies in action. WOW!!!! And to think woofer hasn't been broken in yet. Kudos to the maker for a high end product at a very sensible price. May your tribe increase.
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Wow!
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Thanks for the kind words sir. Performance-to-price ratio of these speakers is definitely bang for the buck.
New owner viber'd me a short video of these babies in action. WOW!!!! And to think woofer hasn't been broken in yet. Kudos to the maker for a high end product at a very sensible price. May your tribe increase.
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Thanks sir.
Wow!
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Sire Tony, Oo nga eh .... nung tumutugtog na, di mo na makausap ... hehehe. Kidding aside, heard this personally and with around more than 50 hours of break-in, it sounds very good and will definitely be sounding excellent when it completes its 800 hour break-in period. I have the same driver and while it needs a long break-in period, you will still enjoy it along the way. The last tone to settle down is the bass after the break-in period.
New owner viber'd me a short video of these babies in action. WOW!!!! And to think woofer hasn't been broken in yet. Kudos to the maker for a high end product at a very sensible price. May your tribe increase.
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Great work man! Congrats!
Thanks for the kind words sir. Performance-to-price ratio of these speakers is definitely bang for the buck.
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Ganda naman!
Congrats Arnel Pineda! Errr na starstruck na naman ako! :D :D :D
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Subok mo na yan drivers na yan brader. Ikaw yata ang may 10.3 na pinakamatagal na sa PH? ;)
Sire Tony, Oo nga eh .... nung tumutugtog na, di mo na makausap ... hehehe. Kidding aside, heard this personally and with around more than 50 hours of break-in, it sounds very good and will definitely be sounding excellent when it completes its 800 hour break-in period. I have the same driver and while it needs a long break-in period, you will still enjoy it along the way. The last tone to settle down is the bass after the break-in period.
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Baka nga .... but more of longest playing time or mileage on the drivers .... hehehe
Subok mo na yan drivers na yan brader. Ikaw yata ang may 10.3 na pinakamatagal na sa PH? ;)
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;D ;D ;D Don't stop believin' pa rin? ;D ;D ;D
Tsambalerong potograpo at speakers builder lang brader ;D ;D
Thanks!
Ganda naman!
Congrats Arnel Pineda! Errr na starstruck na naman ako! :D :D :D
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Finished this build recently, and delivered to the new owner.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4866/31288278857_e3b018b4b5.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBeK)Mini_Onken_10.3-1 (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBeK) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
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ganda sir!
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Your builds sir deist are getting better and better each time :)
Hats off to you sir :D
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Thanks sir RXV ;)
Your builds sir deist are getting better and better each time :)
Hats off to you sir :D
Thanks sir comet :)
ganda sir!
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I had the pleasure of listening to these speakers for almost 3 hours in the new owner's HT room which was treated with bass traps and sound absorbers, floor is carpeted. The room doesn't have "flutter" echo when I did the clap test. The requirement for the build is to produce coherent mids esp in voice and smooth-non-ear-piercing highs.
The speakers will be crossed to 2 Rel T5 subs to handle the lows, hence the decision to opt for bookshelves. The position of the 2 subs in the room; 1 at the front left corner behind the speakers and the second one at the back right corner of the room, behind the listening chair.
I must say I was surprised at how effortlessly the mini-onkens integrated with the 2 subs. It is well-balanced and there's no localization of the bass sound. It just fills the room. It also compliments the extension in the highs the MA 10.3M can produce. Imaging is spot on, vocals is always dead center in the music materials we tried.
More photos:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4869/31288278817_f01a688abc.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBe4)Mini_Onken_10.3-2 (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBe4) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4900/31288278657_d12295171e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBbi)Mini_Onken_10.3-5 (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBbi) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
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(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4876/31288278407_7856dd3797.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PEQB6Z)Mini_Onken_10.3-8 (https://flic.kr/p/PEQB6Z) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4883/31288278717_027f5e8cb4.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBck)Mini_Onken_10.3-4 (https://flic.kr/p/PEQBck) by A Cervo (https://www.flickr.com/photos/a3cervo/), on Flickr
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The new Mark Audio website:
https://www.markaudio.com/
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Buhaying lang natin ang Thread na 'to.
I searched the entire PDVD forum for Decware DNA Horn but found zero result.
So i am sharing my build on this. Matagal na ako nai-intriga sa speaker cabinet na 'to, pero kelangan muna ng right tools & time para magawa. Di kasi ubra circular saw lang, daming cuts & angled pa.
World's Smallest Full Range Horn...
Nearly 20Hz~20kHz from a single driver without corner loading!It covers the full 9.96 octaves of human hearing!
And while the driver is rated at around 90dB @ 1 watt /1 meter, that actual efficiency in this cabinet design is closer to 93/94dB making it compatible with high quality tube amplifiers as small as 2 watts.
This seemingly impossible stunt of getting such performance from such a small cabinet is made possible by one of DECWARE's creator Steve Deckert's original designs.
for further info:
https://www.decware.com/newsite/HORN.html (https://www.decware.com/newsite/HORN.html)
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Decware uses 10p on their latest build.
Designer Steve Deckert talking about...
The DRIVER: "It's the best driver I've heard straight out the box with no modifications. In fact there is absolutely nothing I can do to it or tweak on it to make it better... most impressive!"
The CABINET: "As you may have figured out by looking at the frequency response - the secret to the DNA horn design is that it stretches bass response down to 1/2 the driver's fs. This is a good thing because you get that precious low bass with the speed of a higher fs driver that moves less!"
Initial impression - WOW!, though the drivers have around 25 hours of break-in time.
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Finishing na lang O0