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I am looking for a new CD player, in the 15K range. My current player is an old Sony CD player. I know I have to upgrade when my Pioneer 655A (universal player) sounded better than my CD player when playing music CD's. It will be connected to an Onkyo receiver/Denon 1804.
Any recommedation? (I have been looking at the Marantz and Denon CD players).
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You may want to check out Spectra at Park Square. If i recall right the NAD CD player they carry might hover at the top of your budget. Forgot the model number though. But i think they're current.
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You may want to check out Spectra at Park Square. If i recall right the NAD CD player they carry might hover at the top of your budget. Forgot the model number though. But i think they're current.
bro...try the NAD C542 CD player with HDCD decoding...thanks! 8)
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your budget is just right for the rotel rcd-971 being sold at the assrt buy and sell thread by carlos888. also, why not post "WTB: CD Player" there. am pretty sure youll get lots of offers :)
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Hi anyone here heard of an shop called LOCK AUDIO. ::)
I got this ad from MB about someone selling audio gears. Got the cell number listed there and inquired thru text regarding cd players. A guy texted back and stated na marami raw siyang audio gears for sale, may cd players daw cya dun na rotel model RCD02 at 17K and RCD961 at 18K naman. etc.
So has anyone been to this shop or has bought something from LOCK AUDIO. His shop daw is located at San Antonio Village in Pasig City.
Thanks :)
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peeps,
didnt know where to post these queries so made a separate thread instead. anyway, ive several few questions that have been bugging me for quite a while concerning cd players. am hoping someone can clear em up for me.
1) why do some players have dual dacs? whats the advantage/disadvantage to players using only one dac.
2) ive seen players touting 24-bit dacs (nad) yet some only 1-bit dac (some pioneer cdps ive seen) or am i comparing apples to oranges here. whats the difference? what advantage does a cdp having higher dac specs have over that with lower dac specs, 24 bit compared to 18 bit?
3) whats oversampling? is it the number of times the cdp reads the cd to make sure it read the cd right?
4) whats jitter? i used to think that jitter has got something to do with the motor of a cdp not being stable (sorry for my ignorance ;D )
5) why are burr-brown dacs highly sought after?
6) in many discussion groups ive seen, a lot of audio enthusiasts are saying that the most important part of the cdp is the power supply. i thought since cdps have relatively low power consumption (compared to amps and receivers), its power source shouldnt be a factor in the quality of its sound.
sorry if i sound ignorant. id like to upgrade my cdp to a really good one by the end of the year and would like to be as informed as i can be before making my decision.
thanks and more power to pdvd!
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Here's my layman's understanding of the issues raised. Could be wrong and anyone's welcome to correct them.
1) why do some players have dual dacs? whats the advantage/disadvantage to players using only one dac.
The datastream retrieved from a CD consists of both left and right information plus a lot of error-correction and redundant data to make sure that the data is complete prior to waveform shaping in the conversion process. It is arguable if two DACs are better than one. But let me just say that I don't see any problem having dedicated DACs for each channel in the debatable interest to improve channel separation in the analog stages.
2) ive seen players touting 24-bit dacs (nad) yet some only 1-bit dac (some pioneer cdps ive seen) or am i comparing apples to oranges here. whats the difference? what advantage does a cdp having higher dac specs have over that with lower dac specs, 24 bit compared to 18 bit?
Entire books can be dedicated to this topic. The standard redbook CD is encoded in 16-bit regardless of which resolution was used in capturing the live performance.
Cd players start with 16-bit decoding and can upsample to 18-bit, 20-bit or 24-bit or even 32-bit prior to analg conversion. For me, this upsampling does nothing to improve upon the original performance, but does impart some discernible quality to the analog shaping that for some people. are superior to 16-bit.
OTH, 1-bit decoding exhibit some inherent noise that many audiophiles find objectionable. The algorthm decimates the 16-bit word lengths to generate single bitstream data and is buffered prior to analog conversion. This is the percursor of the DSD 1-bit resolution of SACD players, but, because the new technology does so at 2.83 Mhz, the resulting bitstream is said to be far superior than the 1-bit datastream used for CD decoding.
3) whats oversampling? is it the number of times the cdp reads the cd to make sure it read the cd right?
Yup. This technique (say, 8x the original sampling rate of 44.1Khz or 352.8Khz) is used to spread the quantization noise to a large set of samples often putting them totally outside of the Nyquist frequency limit of 22Khz. It also eases the anit-aliasing post-DAC filtering to make them work more smoothly
4) whats jitter? i used to think that jitter has got something to do with the motor of a cdp not being stable (sorry for my ignorance ;D )
Again, an entire book can be dedicated to this topic.
This is the digital equivalent of wow and flutter in analog devices. It is a time-domain problem exhibited when the resolving DAC in not in synch with the arriving datastream so that it sees a 0 instead of a 1 or vice versa and shapes the analog waveform erroneously. Digital error in the time domain manifests as amplitude errors in the analog waveform with a net effect of raising the noise floor or decreasing the S/N ratio so that certain musical details and subtleties are masked or lost.
5) why are burr-brown dacs highly sought after?
I guess because Burr-Brown happens to be a pioneer in the industry with proven track in so far as hi-fi DACs are concerned. But that doesn't preclude other manufacturers from similar qualities like motorola, Cyrix, AKD, etc.
6) in many discussion groups ive seen, a lot of audio enthusiasts are saying that the most important part of the cdp is the power supply. i thought since cdps have relatively low power consumption (compared to amps and receivers), its power source shouldnt be a factor in the quality of its sound.
This is a design philosophy different brands adopt to come out with arguably better sounding CDPs. It has nothing to do with power delivered in the same way they do with power amps. I think having a cleaner power supply or dedicated power supplies for transport and electronics can make some difference in attaining the best S/N ratio and channel separation.
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very comprehensive answers. thanks av_phile! you cleared up a lot things for me. although many argue that its the sound that matters and not the specs, i think its always good to know these things.
thanks again!
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I have Usher CD-100 CD player, anybody who have Shanling CD-S100 or Music Hall MMF-25 CD player They have exactly the same package are they sounds the same? I used to have Shanling CD-100 I regret that I let my brother take it to France. Anybody who have the player other that Usher I will let anybody to audition it and compare apple to apple just to know any audible difference
Sorry I can't insert pictures of the three, I'm trying but i failed. ???
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Posting picture
USHER cd100
(http://audiofast.pl/prods/cd100.jpg)
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Posting for odyopyle, modifying image sizes Ü
SHANLING CDS-100
FRONT (http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1140/shanling-cd-s100-cd-player-front-main.jpg)
REAR (http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2236/shanling-cd-s100-cd-player-rear-panel.jpg)
Music Hall MMF-25 CD player
FRONT (http://www.audaud.com/audaud/OCT02/EQUIP/musichallfront.jpg)
REAR (http://www.audaud.com/audaud/OCT02/EQUIP/musichallback.jpg)
REMOTE (http://www.audaud.com/audaud/OCT02/EQUIP/musichallremoteH.jpg)
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Pambihira :o
I'll be watching this thread 8)
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It's perfectly possible that because these brands come from hand-made cottage-industry type boutique that do not benefit from the extensive vertically-integrated facilities of mass produced brands to make their own parts, they could have used the same OEM for their chassis and front panels. Even internal CD mechanism and electronics, perhaps. Theta, a known boutique brand with highly specialized hand built products, has a DVD player that uses an entire Pioneer DVD player' innards, lock stock and barrel, but housed in a more heavy chassis.
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i read from another thread, available na pala arcam cd73 dito
and arcam's latest models do not use Burr Brown DAC chips nowadays, they're using Wolfson Microelectronics!
whooooaaaaa :o ;D
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Is there really such a thing as a superior DAC chip in CD players? I am of the impression they're all the same in decoding the 0s and 1s and shaping the analog waveforms from them. A DAC CANNOT shape the waveform if the digital information is NOT complete and error-corrected to begin with. It's the brickwall filter and the Op-amps after the DAC that determines the sonic character. Do enlighten as I too am in the market for a really good but affordable CD-only player.
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yeap, the Arcam CD73 is now available @ Hyperaudio's shop.
(http://www.lefflershifi.com/Library/Products/Arcam/Graphics/arcam_diva_cd73_f_m.jpg)
they say that the Wolfson Microelectronics 24-bit DAC chip is an improvement over the widely used Burr-Brown DAC.
The remarkable WM8740 multi bit sigma delta DAC from Wolfson Microelectronics is said to have the lowest noise and distortion figures. I have personally auditioned the CD Player and Arcam truly lives up to its name as a leading manufacturer of high performance CD Players. The sound quality is kinda "laid back" compared to that of Rotels and NADs.... and I must admit, the Arcam CD73 trashes my NAD C542 or even the Exposure 2010 and the Rotel's RCD-1070 and RCD-02.... of course, with a caveat that my views are based on my listening criteria only.
;D :o
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yeap, the Arcam CD73 is now available @ Hyperaudio's shop.
and I must admit, the Arcam CD73 trashes my NAD C542 or even the Exposure 2010 and the Rotel's RCD-1070 and RCD-02.... of course, with a caveat that my views are based on my listening criteria only.
;D :o
Ganun.... Does this Arcam Cd player supports HDCD, what is the price range of this CD player.
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i think so avphile, there are superior DACs used in cd players. it varies with their upsampling capabilities for the lowest noise and distortion levels. in practical terms, all DACs will do the job in convertions of digital to analog but the outcome will be different. it is how these modified DACs reduce the noise and distortion levels in the end that will make the difference. audiophile grade components make a difference in this world of hi-fi madness. ;)
power supply also comes into play as an important role in having a good sounding cd player. these high-end players offer toroidal transformers.
hahaha as i told you before audioslave, these babies are a notch higher than the nads and rotels even in integrated amps.
my bet will be on this cd73 or for cd player category or cd93 if i'm able
on the integrated amp, i'll go for the ra-1062 of rotel anytime
cheers everyone 8)
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Ganun.... Does this Arcam Cd player supports HDCD, what is the price range of this CD player.
like the Rotels, all Arcam CD Players are HDCD capable. the CD93 even have an Upsampling MultiDAC Module, with an Analog Devices asynchronous sample rate converter used to upsample the 16 bit 44.1 kHz CD data to 24 bit 192 kHz data. Although this cannot add new information to that already on the CD, this technique allows much gentler filters to be used downstream with a remarkable improvement in sound quality.
These models (CD73, CD83 and CD93) are likewise CD text capable.
:-* :P
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right on audioslave! :D
conversion systems
cd73 - wolfson wm8740, multi level delta sigma
cd82 - dual mono wolfson wm8740s
cd93 - upsampling DAC, 4 x wolfson wm8740s whooooooaaa :o ;D
i bet these arcams can rival the musical fidelity players, imo ;)
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Maybe, we need to hear them side by side. Which is better DAC from Wolfson Microelectronics or DAC from Burr-brown?
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I think I've come across some fora with heated arguments on the credibility of various DAC configurations to arrive at their dubious claims of sonic superiority. Even the concept of oversampling and upsampling have come under fire. I am more inclined to believe that the filters and op-amps have more to say in arriving at the various sonic traits than good DACs do. And most agree that HDCD players do exhibit better analog sonics precisely because they have a more precise and sophisticated digital filtering circuit that benefit even ordinary CDs as well. That is also my compelling reason why I am in the market for HDCD players. But, as usual, don't let my irreverent views get in the way.
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for me, i wouldn't notice any significant differences among these converters whether Burr Brown or Wolfson Microelectronics unless i'm an audiophile junkie with a sonar-like ears who can detect some seismic anomalies hahaha. so long as the cd player can produce music with great fidelity, i'm happy with it. you wouldn't listen to vocals and instrumental cds all year round, would you?!?! hehehe
O0
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like the Rotels, all Arcam CD Players are HDCD capable. the CD93 even have an Upsampling MultiDAC Module, with an Analog Devices asynchronous sample rate converter used to upsample the 16 bit 44.1 kHz CD data to 24 bit 192 kHz data. Although this cannot add new information to that already on the CD, this technique allows much gentler filters to be used downstream with a remarkable improvement in sound quality.
These models (CD73, CD83 and CD93) are likewise CD text capable.
:-* :P
I'm no avid believer of all those DACs wherever they come from, but I sure would like to own an HDCD player with CD text ability. ;D That's one upmanship over the Rotel and Nad, right? How much?
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right on audioslave! :D
conversion systems
cd73 - wolfson wm8740, multi level delta sigma
cd82 - dual mono wolfson wm8740s
cd93 - upsampling DAC, 4 x wolfson wm8740s whooooooaaa :o ;D
i bet these arcams can rival the musical fidelity players, imo ;)
Certainly, the new generation Arcam CDPs (DiVA & Full Metal Jacket Series) can outshine the Musical Fidelity CDPs. The MF CDPs sonic character maybe described as lifeless, clean and uninvolving machines which are not commensurate to their high end prices. The Rotels (RCD-02 model and above) and the NADs (C542 and above) are much better by a hairline, i guess ......... he he he ..... but that's only me speaking.... though I'm sure a lot of you share my views.... ;D ;D ;D
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I'm no avid believer of all those DACs wherever they come from, but I sure would like to own an HDCD player with CD text ability. ;D That's one upmanship over the Rotel and Nad, right? How much?
bro. av_phile,
probably one alternative also is the exposure 2010...thanks! 8)
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for me, i wouldn't notice any significant differences among these converters whether Burr Brown or Wolfson Microelectronics unless i'm an audiophile junkie with a sonar-like ears who can detect some seismic anomalies hahaha. so long as the cd player can produce music with great fidelity, i'm happy with it. you wouldn't listen to vocals and instrumental cds all year round, would you?!?! hehehe
O0
like speakers and amps, i think the cdps can impart the most recognizable and cognisable sonic differences in an audio sytem. if you can readily tell the sonic signature of a particular brand of cables and interconnects, with much more reason you can easily tell and distinguish the sonic quality of a certain brand of a CDP. one doesn't need to have a "golden ear" in order to detect some differences between CDPs. moreso, if you'll listen to them side by side ;) ;D ;D
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Anybody want to try apple to apple comparison on it's class? 24/96 solid state CD player, I'm willing to offer my USHER CD-100 over:
- Exposure
-ARCAM CD73
-Rotel RCD-02 etc.
Just to know any difference lang for our reference.
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odyopayl,
that's nice bro. perhaps we can schedule some sort of a shoot out in the future. hanap muna tayo ng ibang owners ng cdps na ka-level ng Usher CDP mo. I know the NAD C542 is a step down model compared to your Usher CD-100 but i can join the A-B comparison if you and the others won't mind.
any owners of CDPs out there who may want to join the shoot out?
::) :P ;D
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Pwede ba isali ang modified Pioneer cdp ko?
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of course bro... the more the merrier ika nga :-*
anong model yan?
;) ;D
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It's a PD-S505 with a lot of tweaks I made myself through a lot of research on the net. I like this player due to its stable platter mechanism. Haven't seen any innovative transport from other manufacturer's eh.
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that's nice bro. perhaps we can schedule some sort of a shoot out in the future. hanap muna tayo ng ibang owners ng cdps na ka-level ng Usher CDP mo. I know the NAD C542 is a step down model compared to your Usher CD-100 but i can join the A-B comparison if you and the others won't mind.
any owners of CDPs out there who may want to join the shoot out?
Thanks audio slave,
Anybody can join the shoot out, maybe let's not limit the reference specs to 96/24. Anybody who made modification in their CD players can join. Maybe thru this shoot out, expensive & branded players can match by any ordinary CD players because of modification and we will make a new thread for CD mods...that's a great help for the member. Lets make the list:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
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like speakers and amps, i think the cdps can impart the most recognizable and cognisable sonic differences in an audio sytem. if you can readily tell the sonic signature of a particular brand of cables and interconnects, with much more reason you can easily tell and distinguish the sonic quality of a certain brand of a CDP. one doesn't need to have a "golden ear" in order to detect some differences between CDPs. moreso, if you'll listen to them side by side ;) ;D ;D
yes of course audioslave, my point is, so long as the cd player uses burr brown and wolfson microel.. dac chips, i'm happy with it. but i'm narrowing my choices to rotels and arcams. the deciding factor will be my budget, availability and how it would match with your amp and speakers. and yep you can only distinguish their sonic differences if you compare them side by side. but that rarely happens because not all stores carry brands at the same time.
a good option will be a shootout like stated on this thread.
cheers 8)
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Where can I check-out arcam CD players? What's their going SRP? Thanks.
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Hyperaudio has arcam cdp costs around 40k+ according to audioslave.
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Montage at Greenbelt 4 also uses an ARCAM CDP for its testing of CDs and SACDs. Also saw an ARCAM HT receiver being sold at Powerplant's SM appliance store for 80T. Seems Arcam is starting to be visible locally.
These ARCAMs presumably support CDtext which I like. But is their video circuitry defeatable? Do they come in black? Thanks.
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yep av_phile! it comes in black, i know it's your favorite hehe
black facade similar with rotels, but buttons are silver with green displays
though not as simple (# of buttons) as rotels
arcams should have been around locally but there are few dealers offering them and only a few audiophiles are aware.
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and it's a dvd player (dv88) used at montage greenbelt not a cdp.
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DVD player pala yun. Thanks Krets.
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hehe no problem bro. i asked the guy if it can play sacds and said it's picky in some titles.
ooops ot na, back to our cd player discussions ;D
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any owners of CDPs out there who may want to join the shoot out?
Anybody can join the shoot out, maybe let's not limit the reference specs to 96/24. Anybody who made modification in their CD players can join. Maybe thru this shoot out, expensive & branded players can match by any ordinary CD players because of modification and we will make a new thread for CD mods...that's a great help for the member.
Lets make the list:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
add nyo na mga players nyo...
;D
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Maybe, we need to hear them side by side. Which is better DAC from Wolfson Microelectronics or DAC from Burr-brown?
Agree, we are the consumer we need to know which is better.
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odyopayl,
any owners of CDPs out there who may want to join the shoot out?
::) :P ;D
This is quite interesting. I'm based in Davao but I would have wanted to join you guys and see how my 15-year old Revox B226 compares with newer CD gears. I have other players but they sounded inferior to my B226s. Ang dinig ko, mas malapit ang tunog nito sa analog (vinyl) than with digital. In other words, humihinga. The DAC is old, TDA 1541, but a review of it posted last year on the web was encouraging. I was so impressed with it, I bought 2 units (one from the States, the other from Electro Systems in Makati) roughly 10 years ago. The other one stopped breathing last month. It would be nice if you would use test, or demo, CDs of Sheffield and Chesky. Or, maybe, Reference and Linn.
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I am looking for a new CD player, in the 15K range. My current player is an old Sony CD player. I know I have to upgrade when my Pioneer 655A (universal player) sounded better than my CD player when playing music CD's. It will be connected to an Onkyo receiver/Denon 1804.
Any recommedation? (I have been looking at the Marantz and Denon CD players).
Try NAD C521BEE...it sells at P13,500
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add nyo na mga players nyo...
;D
calling yukon (rcd-971) and superman (MF e624) ;D
wag na yang iceman na yan! consonant na yan! hehehe.
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calling yukon (rcd-971) and superman (MF e624) ;D
wag na yang iceman na yan! consonant na yan! hehehe.
baka talunin - alaskado lang ako :-X
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baka talunin - alaskado lang ako :-X
hehehe. ;)
ss cdp lang ang mga entries pre.
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Mga Sir, this might be very interesting Idon't care kahit maging kulelat ang player ko it's important na malaman ko na pangit pala player ko ng mapalitan na...hehehe (baka sayang lang ang oras ko sa pakikinig).
Who knows akala natin OK na CD player natin but with this shoot out we will know that we need some improvements on the parts by upgrading parts or any hardware modification from experience tweakers right?
Isama na natin may consonance, whoever comes na pinakamaganda tunog sa SS itapat natin sa with tube output para mas masaya! (Hindi kaya makapag-trigger ng SARS ito? baka umalan ng for sale na ss CD player)
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A guy texted back and stated na marami raw siyang audio gears for sale, may cd players daw cya dun na rotel model RCD02 at 17K and RCD961 at 18K naman. etc.
Really? RCD-02 is higher model than RCD-961. The price is really cheap! grab the RCD-02. BTW is this ROTEL?
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not higher model but an updated model. rcd961 is an older model while the rcd-02 is their entry level of cd players offered by rotel as of the moment. and yep ithey're both rotel.
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Mga Sir, this might be very interesting Idon't care kahit maging kulelat ang player ko it's important na malaman ko na pangit pala player ko ng mapalitan na...hehehe (baka sayang lang ang oras ko sa pakikinig).
Sa totoo lang, mukhang llamado ang Usher sa laban. But there are variables to consider such as support electronics, speakers and environment. Correct matching and ideal speaker placement would still be the bottom line.
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Correct matching and ideal speaker placement would still be the bottom line.
i agree!
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guys,
kailan na ba ang proposed shootout na ito ??? isama natin ang aking trusty rotel rcd965bx ;)
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ngayon ko lang nabasa 'tong thread...naisali pala pangalan ko...when is this??? :D
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Lets make the list:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Musical Fidelity E624 - Superman
ayan... dumadami na participants....
;D ;D
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calling yukon!
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Maiba lang po ako. Can anybody list available Cd players with HDCD capability? Pls. exclude the tubed CD players since they belong to another league. What brands and estimated price are available locally or anybody selling?
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Can anybody list available Cd players with HDCD capability? Pls. exclude the tubed CD players since they belong to another league. What brands and estimated price are available locally or anybody selling?
the present models of known brands with HDCD capability which are locally available
NAD C542
Rotel RCD-02
Rotel RCD-1072
Arcam CD-73
harman/kardon HD750 (archived model)
please add others that you know.
thanks
:D
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harman-kardon, i think has already released an updated version of the hd 750, the hd 755. not sure if it is already available in the local market.
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guys,
any owners of marantz cd5400 and cd7300? i read some rave reviews on these cd players and i'm considering this as an option for a dedicated cd player. where can we get this here? any reviews?
thanks
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Hi, Try Electronic Depot (Alabang) they are selling MarantZ CD5400 for 10K cash price
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thanks a lot odyopayl, i've been looking over the net and couldn't find any dealer in the u.s., found mostly uk shops. looks like the u.s. isn't into marantz. i'll check it out this weekend. :D
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Hi, Try Electronic Depot (Alabang) they are selling MarantZ CD5400 for 10K cash price
5-star rated from What Hi-Fi
Quote: "This is a remarkable player for the money, with superb sound, looks and feel, which give you no clue as to the budget price. Fool your friends into thinking you've spent a lot more."
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hehehe read that too phil, i'll have to audition them before agreeing with that mag review ;D
i'm just wondering how they would fair to other cd players? ???
bad thing is, they don't have hdcd decoders, and if they're using good dac chips like burr brown.
the specs doesn't say.
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Sayang, i can't join you guys coz I live in Davao also. I have the Arcam CD-72, an older model of the 73.
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The D/A converter is Delta Sigma (CS4392)
The CS4392 is a complete stereo digital-to-analog (D/A) system including digital interpolation, fifth-order Delta-Sigma D/A conversion, digital de-emphasis, volume control, channel mixing, and analog filtering. The advantages of this architecture include ideal differential linearity; no distortion mechanisms due to resistor matching errors; no linearity drift over time and temperature; and a high tolerance to clock jitter.
The CS4392 accepts PCM (pulse code modulation) data at sample rates from 4 kHz to 192 kHz and Direct Stream Digital (DSD) audio data, has selectable digital filters, and consumes very little power. These features are ideal for DVD, SACD (Super Audio CD) players, audio/video receivers, CD, and professional audio systems. The CS4392 is pin- and register-compatible with the CS4391A, making easy performance upgrades possible.
Complete stereo D/A converter system: interpolation, D/A, output analog filtering
114 dB dynamic range
-100 dB THD+N
Up to 192 kHz sample rates
DSD mode (SACD)
Low clock-jitter sensitivity
Selectable digital filters
Fast and slow roll-off
Volume control with soft ramp
1 dB step size
Zero crossing click-free transitions
ATAPI mixing functions
Direct interface with 5 V to 1.8 V logic
Single 5 V power supply
Pin-compatible with the CS4391A
Package: 20-pin TSSOP
http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/pro/detail/P224.html
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Phil, this is OT, what's the brand nga ulit of the DVD/SACD player you bought at anson's??? what model na rin??? thanks so much! :D
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Phil, this is OT, what's the brand nga ulit of the DVD/SACD player you bought at anson's??? what model na rin??? thanks so much! :D
Sony DVP-S9000ES
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Sony DVP-S9000ES
meron pa kaya, bro??? :D :D :D
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meron pa kaya, bro??? :D :D :D
Mukhang wala na, lagi nga akong pumupunta dun to check but wala talaga. At kung meron man, nabili ko na ulit... ;D
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ganooooon??? hehehe...try ko sa iba...baka meron...thanks bro! :D
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anson's had the sony set before: dvp-s9000es, TAE-9000Es and TAN-9000es. They had these units on sale with the TAE-9000es selling for 17k and the TAN-9000es selling for 18k, I guess the dvp-9000es was in the same price range kaya nabili kaagad ;D
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from the specs you stated phil, looks yummy! excited na ako, sana di ako madisappoint hehe ;D
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.... I guess the dvp-9000es was in the same price range kaya nabili kaagad ;D
I got this unit not in the price range you quoted...
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I got this unit not in the price range you quoted...
wow...you really got it cheap then ;D
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Lets make the list:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Musical Fidelity E624 - Superman
ayan... dumadami na participants....
;D ;D
Kailan ito... wow sama ako dyan... meron ako Denon 1015 bka gusto nyo.. cheap compare to the player abovemention ;D
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from the specs you stated phil, looks yummy! excited na ako, sana di ako madisappoint hehe ;D
I agree, once you have the unit, post your review para makasabay din... hopefully better than some CD players out there.
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OT - phil, can you post the link to your sony sacd/dvd player...can't seem to find it...wanna take a look at your review + pictures...thanks! 8)
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I agree, once you have the unit, post your review para makasabay din... hopefully better than some CD players out there.
hahaha thanks phil, will do. i hope i do get impressed with this marantz player so i can take it home after auditioning. sana may stocks pa.
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OT - phil, can you post the link to your sony sacd/dvd player...can't seem to find it...wanna take a look at your review + pictures...thanks! 8)
http://www.guidetohometheater.com/dvdplayers/9/
http://www.dvdreview.net/hardware/details.shtml?hardware.REF=79&revreg.REF=1
http://www.hifichoice.co.uk/review_print.asp?ID=1018
http://www.hometheatermag.com/dvdplayers/59/
http://www.laaudiofile.com/dvps9000es.html
http://www.audaud.com/audaud/MAR01/EQUIP/equip1MAR01.html
http://www.adorama.com/SODVPS9000ES.html
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/audiophileaudition/0301/sonydvp9000es.htm
http://www.totaldvd.net/reviews/DVDPlayers/Sony/SonyDVP-S9000ES.php
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hirez/messages/132435.html
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hirez/messages/70488.html
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thanks phil!
please also include the link where you posted your actual unit...and your review as well...really appreciate it...thanks! 8)
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thanks phil!
please also include the link where you posted your actual unit...and your review as well...really appreciate it...thanks! 8)
Actually di ko na nagagawan ng review yung unit (I guess I dont need to, I just need to agree with the reviews posted in those links). All I can say is that the CD playback of this DVD-player is superb, better than most CD players I've heard.
You may see the actual pics here:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=1614.msg336441#msg336441
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thanks again, phil! :D
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Saan ba at kailan ang shootout? I can bring along my RCD-1070 if ever. Hope someone brings an Opera Consonance. Never heard it yet but from internet reviews, parang worth the price of entry.
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sked na yan para mapakinggan na.... naghahanap pa naman ko ng CDP ;D >:D
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Kailan ito... wow sama ako dyan... meron ako Denon 1015 bka gusto nyo.. cheap compare to the player abovemention ;D
Updated list:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Musical Fidelity E624 - Superman
6. Denon 1015 - hans and france
7. Rotel RCD-1070 - murcielago
dami na tayo..... venue na lang kulang
;D :D
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when is this, mga bros.??? thanks! :D
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wala pa nga sked eh... baka gusto mo mag-host bro? sked it on your own sweet time....
;D
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Tuloy na ba toh? San venue?
Anybody want to try apple to apple comparison on it's class? 24/96 solid state CD player, I'm willing to offer my USHER CD-100 over:
- Exposure
-ARCAM CD73
-Rotel RCD-02 etc.
Just to know any difference lang for our reference.
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sama din ko dyan.... pwede bang audience lang ;D
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guys,
San na venue?? ;D
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guys,
San na venue?? ;D
hans,
baka pwede kila akyatbundok na lang... almost every audionuts here are already familiar with the place...
he he he
;D ;D ;D
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audioslave,
Cge sir will try to coordinate with Sir Akyat... June 5.
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Updated list:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Musical Fidelity E624 - Superman
6. Denon 1015 - hans and france
7. Rotel RCD-1070 - murcielago
8. sony 227 es-d surplus- isak0411
dami na tayo..... venue na lang kulang
;D :D
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mga sirs may question sana ako re: sa playback ng cd players. an uncle of mine gave me his Onkyo Integra R1 CD Player as a gift kasi nag upgrade sya. I find the sound much superior compared to my older Sony ES CD player pero I noticed that on some CD's na may slight scratches nag ski-skip yung Onkyo. Those same CD's naman walang problema sa playback nung Sony ES ko. Had the lens of the Onkyo cleaned already. medyo nag lessen pero may tracks pa din na nagski-skip. I find it wierd kasi dun sa Sony CD player ko walang problema yung same CD's na hirap yung Onkyo and mas older pa yung Sony compared dun sa Onkyo. A friend of mine told me that may mga player daw na sobra sensitive sa mga gasgas. is this true?
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mga sirs may question sana ako re: sa playback ng cd players. an uncle of mine gave me his Onkyo Integra R1 CD Player as a gift kasi nag upgrade sya. I find the sound much superior compared to my older Sony ES CD player pero I noticed that on some CD's na may slight scratches nag ski-skip yung Onkyo. Those same CD's naman walang problema sa playback nung Sony ES ko. Had the lens of the Onkyo cleaned already. medyo nag lessen pero may tracks pa din na nagski-skip. I find it wierd kasi dun sa Sony CD player ko walang problema yung same CD's na hirap yung Onkyo and mas older pa yung Sony compared dun sa Onkyo. A friend of mine told me that may mga player daw na sobra sensitive sa mga gasgas. is this true?
true ;D
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mga sirs may question sana ako re: sa playback ng cd players. an uncle of mine gave me his Onkyo Integra R1 CD Player as a gift kasi nag upgrade sya. I find the sound much superior compared to my older Sony ES CD player pero I noticed that on some CD's na may slight scratches nag ski-skip yung Onkyo. Those same CD's naman walang problema sa playback nung Sony ES ko. Had the lens of the Onkyo cleaned already. medyo nag lessen pero may tracks pa din na nagski-skip. I find it wierd kasi dun sa Sony CD player ko walang problema yung same CD's na hirap yung Onkyo and mas older pa yung Sony compared dun sa Onkyo. A friend of mine told me that may mga player daw na sobra sensitive sa mga gasgas. is this true?
that's why the best talaga ang NAD cdps.... kahit anong CDs ipasok mo babasahin nya at di sya namimili... NAD players are also known for their versatility
:D ;)
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mga sir kailan ba talaga shootout? malapit ng matigok sony ko baka di na ako makasali :'(
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mga sir kailan ba talaga shootout? malapit ng matigok sony ko baka di na ako makasali :'(
isak0411,
Ill be very interested on the result of the shootout with your sony 227 esd. I have a sony 337 esd but I think your cdp will be very similar to mine. Pls post results, thanks.
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Sir Bobby, malapit na, kunting tiis na lang... ganda ng mga line-up from past to new model. Ganda reference nyan baka yung mga new player natin SURPLUS lang ang katapat uulan na naman ng CD for sale hehehe
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Guys,
Ano maganda since marami kasali eh... blind fold tayo when auditioning para fair and di makita brand.. tapos elimination?? hehehehe..
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san ba venue ng shoot out? sa bundok ba o sa sanctuary? let's finalize it, guys. di daw pwede yung Musical Fidelity ni Superman pag June 5 kaya sa June 12 na lang at Narayan's Sanctuary @ 1pm onwards.
to all participants, kindly confirm
;D ;D
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OK june 12 para kumpleto para ma meet ko rin si Jen, at para ma break-in ko pa 'yung USHER baka gumanda pa tunog.
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i've checked my sked...so far i'm OK with june 12...i hope walang change in sked...at walang impromptu na meeting/schedules...sa sanctuary ba??? i hope i can bring my CDP, baka gamitin ng dad ko and sasakyan namin eh...thanks! :D
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superman,
kailangan ka namin doon. maraming gusto marinig MF mo.
guys,
june 12 na ba? set na natin on that date except ofcourse if superman cant come. ;D
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superman,
kailangan ka namin doon. maraming gusto marinig MF mo.
guys,
june 12 na ba? set na natin on that date except ofcourse if superman cant come. ;D
try natin sir...hirap mangako eh...ultimo sabado may trabaho...of course, i'm looking forward to the shootout...thanks! 8)
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try natin sir...hirap mangako eh...ultimo sabado may trabaho...of course, i'm looking forward to the shootout...thanks! 8)
ok. just inform us when is your most convenient time. ;)
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guys,
btw, meron ba sa inyong gustong magdala ng speakers and amp...what i have are ms914s, onkyo/rotel pre/power amps and mf pre/power amps... its up to you ;)
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calling kuya hans, ung evo mo ulit ;D ;D
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Pwede ako June 12 mga 5pm. Sana makahabol.
Pls pm me directions sa venue.
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punk_kid,
Ok lang sir no problem kaso baka mapahiya ulit Evo30 ko.. huhuhuh.
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Guys,
Ilan na ba sasama?? aside from the participant/owner??
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Guys,
Ilan na ba sasama?? aside from the participant/owner??
Hi France, si Andy s2kov dadalhin yata 'yung DIY pre-amp nya(tube rectified).
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odyopayl,
Uy ok yan pre..
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punk_kid,
Ok lang sir no problem kaso baka mapahiya ulit Evo30 ko.. huhuhuh.
wala naman cgurong magdadala ng b4 jan ;D
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Saan ba yung kina Narayan?
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wala naman cgurong magdadala ng b4 jan ;D
Gusto niyo may magdala ng fully broken-in na B4??? >:D >:D
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Guys,
Ano maganda since marami kasali eh... blind fold tayo when auditioning para fair and di makita brand.. tapos elimination?? hehehehe..
this is a great idea for a shootout! to avoid being brand victim hehe ;) in different hi-fi mags, they use blind tests for judges to avoid being brand victims.
uuuuy pwede maki uzi lang?!? wala akong pang entry eh ;D
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Gusto niyo may magdala ng fully broken-in na B4??? >:D >:D
cge para marinig naman namin ung 2nog nyan :D
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Details po ng CDP shootout.... :-[ :-[ :-[
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Saan ba yung kina Narayan?
bro,
dito lang kami sa filinvest homes 1 bandang batasan(congress) qc. suggest mag car pool na lang kayo with those familiar dito like kimpao, hans atbp...anyway, can pm directions kung kailangan... ;)
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Gusto niyo may magdala ng fully broken-in na B4??? >:D >:D
baka pwedeng dalhin na rin ang sumisikat na xlo cables bro para marinig ng grupo ;D
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baka pwedeng dalhin na rin ang sumisikat na xlo cables bro para marinig ng grupo ;D
no problem sir!
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Pwede ako June 12 mga 5pm. Sana makahabol.
Pls pm me directions sa venue.
bro, sent you pm
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kailan yung cd player session??
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kailan yung cd player session??
June 12 daw sir
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in different hi-fi mags, they use blind tests for judges to avoid being brand victims.
blindfold listening is not practical... perhaps, we'll just place all the CDPs in one rack and cover the rack with some sort of a divider blocking them from the listeners' plain view with only the designated operator knowing which CDP is playing. Of course, we should only use the same set of speakers, amps, interconnects, speaker cables and CD material per round of test. what do you think, guys?
so, let's identify na what speakers, amps, interconnects, cables and CDs to use.... suggest na kayo...
;D ;D ;D
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i can bring my Super Bass CD by Ray Brown, John Clayton and Christian McBride. in this Telarc 20 Bit CD, we can judge a CDP's low frequency slam and extension and imaging... just imagine three of the greatest bassist playing in front of you with Brown's piece of bass coming out in the center while being flanked by the other two bassists in the left and right channel. this will also test your speakers' capability to reproduce music in the bass region....
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000003D5F.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
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good idea yan sir, our objective is to know the different sound reproductions of those cd players listed.
speaker cable: XLO ;D
speaker: b4 ???, evo30 ??? :D
interconnect: ???
amp: ???
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guys...do keep me posted on this...not sure if i can still join...i have a meeting in the office during this day...pasensya na po! 8)
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guys...do keep me posted on this...not sure if i can still join...i have a meeting in the office during this day...pasensya na po! 8)
holiday ba june 12? ;D
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hindi bro saturday lang my office pa ;D ;D ;D
pis 8)
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blindfold listening is not practical... perhaps, we'll just place all the CDPs in one rack and cover the rack with some sort of a divider blocking them from the listeners' plain view with only the designated operator knowing which CDP is playing. Of course, we should only use the same set of speakers, amps, interconnects, speaker cables and CD material per round of test. what do you think, guys?
;D ;D ;D
sounds better, but my point is listeners should not see the player while playing to dissuade biases among brands. you're idea is good and practical.
8)
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holiday ba june 12? ;D
holiday, bro...pero may special training session na naka-sked on that day eh...ako ang toka...sigh!
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Updated list:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Denon 1015 - hans and france
6. Rotel RCD-1070 - murcielago
7. Sony 227 ESD - isak0411
di pwede si Jen sa June 12 kaya kumonti tayo...
pero tuloy pa rin natin...
;D :-*
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interconnects: ???
amps: ???
speaker cables: XLO Reference Series Type 5.1 - courtesy of isak :D
speakers: ???
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since we are testing cd players only, i can provide the rest of the stuff unless you want to try something else
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How about CD's or any HDCD for HDCD capable player? We need to create music genre criterias, any comment? ::)
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Eto pala sinasabi ni audioslave.
Narayan, can I join?
I'll bring my Surplus DENON DCD 800. (hans, watch your former CD Player).
Kanino ba puwede sumabay?
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i'll be there in spirit... :D
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Cannot commit yet. Ang layo kasi and I don't know that area. Maybe kung may masasabayan from Mkti or preferably the Fort where I work, pwede ako. :)
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Narayan, can I join?
I'll bring my Surplus DENON DCD 800. (hans, watch your former CD Player).
Kanino ba puwede sumabay?
ikaw pa na ka-tribu ko sa "elite" MS +Kenwood club? ;D kontak mo na lang hans or akyat if theyre coming
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i really hope i can attend...should there be a change in sked, i'll let you know guys...might be able to bring a "new toy"...thanks! 8)
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volunteer ako na taga palit palit or "facilitator" kung makakapunta ako - para di makita ng mga "judges" kung anong cd player ang naka play :)
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uy, ok yan, pare...pag nakapunta ako, sagot ko ang mga CDs...ayos! :D
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If its okay with you guys, puede ba maki-join sa session.
I can bring Belden Interconnect if you still need for the session.
Thanks.
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ikaw pa na ka-tribu ko sa "elite" MS +Kenwood club? ;D kontak mo na lang hans or akyat if theyre coming
Thanks ka-tribo Narayan.
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Updated list:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Denon 1015 - hans and france
6. Rotel RCD-1070 - murcielago
7. Sony 227 ESD - isak0411
8. Denon DCD 800 - nels
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If its okay with you guys, puede ba maki-join sa session.
I can bring Belden Interconnect if you still need for the session.
Thanks.
cge bro, baka makabenta ka pa nyan...
;D :-*
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i really hope i can attend...should there be a change in sked, i'll let you know guys...might be able to bring a "new toy"...thanks! 8)
uyyy, may new CD Player na si Superman....
:o :o
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volunteer ako na taga palit palit or "facilitator" kung makakapunta ako - para di makita ng mga "judges" kung anong cd player ang naka play :)
iceman,
kelangan may reference CD Player kame..... kaya dalhin mo na rin dapat yung Consonance CDP mo... he he he
;D ;D
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iceman,
kelangan may reference CD Player kame..... kaya dalhin mo na rin dapat yung Consonance CDP mo... he he he
;D ;D
OO nga naman...
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uyyy, may new CD Player na si Superman....
:o :o
sana nga bro... :D
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mga bro pwede ba sumama? :)
lapit lang ako dito...
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mga bro pwede ba sumama? :)
lapit lang ako dito...
oks lang bro ;)
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sir, pwede din ba ako sama ?
I'll bring my Sony 337esd, Denon DCD 830
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guys, just a suggestion. why not include equipment flexibility as one measure in your shootout tests. which of the CD players would perform well playing pirated CDs and CD-Rs, both 5-inch and 3-inch? you could even go further by testing on CD-Rs recorded at 32X to 4X speeds. unlike sonic quality, which could be subjective depending on the sensitivity of one's ears and CD player's suitability to support electronics, this test is objective.
it would be nice to know which players could match the flexibility of made-in-china generics that cost as low as P1,200 brand new and yet could play practically all types of CDs. the last time i was in manila and went around to audition expesive gears there, i was surprised some players sold in audiophile shops can't play accurately my PC-recorded 3-inch CDs. and probably, someone should document your shootout since this would be an interesting subject for a glossy-magazine article, preferably with photos.
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someone should document your shootout since this would be an interesting subject for a glossy-magazine article, preferably with photos.
WOW! We need also some help of experts with this! Any volunteers?
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probably, someone should document your shootout since this would be an interesting subject for a glossy-magazine article, preferably with photos.
This is a great suggestion... Baka meron sa tin mahilig magsulat..., kumuha ng pic alam ko marami mahilig at magaling.. :)
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guys, just a suggestion. why not include equipment flexibility as one measure in your shootout tests. which of the CD players would perform well playing pirated CDs and CD-Rs, both 5-inch and 3-inch? you could even go further by testing on CD-Rs recorded at 32X to 4X speeds. unlike sonic quality, which could be subjective depending on the sensitivity of one's ears and CD player's suitability to support electronics, this test is objective.
it would be nice to know which players could match the flexibility of made-in-china generics that cost as low as P1,200 brand new and yet could play practically all types of CDs. the last time i was in manila and went around to audition expesive gears there, i was surprised some players sold in audiophile shops can't play accurately my PC-recorded 3-inch CDs. and probably, someone should document your shootout since this would be an interesting subject for a glossy-magazine article, preferably with photos.
your suggestion is great. however, the shootout is really intended for comparison of sonic performance between the contending cd players. albeit subjective, it will serve as our "personal" guide on what is good or bad for our own preference.
another criteria should be on the aspect of:
hdcd vs. redbook
24bit vs. 18 or 20 bit DAC
unit price
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Hope somebody will bring their AMX CD buffer to be installed to the least sounding CD player. I'm thingking if it will be considered as plug-in tweak? Any comment?
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iceman,
kelangan may reference CD Player kame..... kaya dalhin mo na rin dapat yung Consonance CDP mo... he he he
;D ;D
di ko sure kung makaka punta ako eh kaya ayaw ko muna mag commit...
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I bought a Nakamichi CD changer from a fellow member and tested it with my HT setup. All I can say is " Ang Ganda ng sound ". Initial impression ko, it might be better than my Rotel ( tube setup ) though I havent tried a side by side comparison. Im still using generic IC because I just used the VHS line. When I have the time I will compare analog out and the digital out of the CD player and I will also try it with my tube setup. If you are looking for a CD changer, try also this model ( Nakamichi MB10 ).
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pwede ba maki join dito? im coming from makati. sir narayan pwede malaman ang exact place ng venue. pm ko rin kayo?
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Updated list:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Denon 1015 - hans and france
6. Rotel RCD-1070 - murcielago
7. Sony 227 ESD - isak0411
8. Denon DCD 800 - nels
9. Sony 337 ESD - BGA VI
10. Denon DCD 830 - BGA VI
padami nang padami ;D ;D
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tama na siguro ang bilang mga kasama...dami na pakikinggan...baka isipin ng neighbors ko namimili ako ng mga cd players and i-offer din ung kanila ;D
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Guys,
Tuloy na sa JUne12 talaga??
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pwede ba maki join dito? im coming from makati. sir narayan pwede malaman ang exact place ng venue. pm ko rin kayo?
will you bring your 2010 sir?
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will you bring your 2010 sir?
julsp168 sent you pm.
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sir obet thanks for the invitation.
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Guys,
Tuloy na sa JUne12 talaga??
wala ng urungan bro O0
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Updated list:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Denon 1015 - hans and france
6. Rotel RCD-1070 - murcielago
7. Sony 227 ESD - isak0411
8. Denon DCD 800 - nels
9. Sony 337 ESD - BGA VI
10. Denon DCD 830 - BGA VI
padami nang padami ;D ;D
please include rony's 2010 exposure. :) this is a must hear cdp. :)
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di ko sure kung makaka punta ako eh kaya ayaw ko muna mag commit...
sana maka punta ka bro para makarinig ng tube cdp. ;D
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Updated list:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Denon 1015 - hans and france
6. Rotel RCD-1070 - murcielago
7. Sony 227 ESD - isak0411
8. Denon DCD 800 - nels
9. Sony 337 ESD - BGA VI
10. Denon DCD 830 - BGA VI
11. Exposure 2010 - rony
;D :-*
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please include rony's 2010 exposure. :) this is a must hear cdp. :)
parang nakikita ko na mananalo dito ah...
:o :o
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an update on the marantz cd5400! just auditioned this player and all i can say is...
"it will do the job at a 10k budget range for a cd player, nothing more"
8)
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an update on the marantz cd5400! just auditioned this player and all i can say is...
"it will do the job at a 10k budget range for a cd player, nothing more"
8)
krets,
saan mo na-audition yan? how many bits? is it HDCD capable? what are the available colors?
::)
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an update on the marantz cd5400! just auditioned this player and all i can say is...
"it will do the job at a 10k budget range for a cd player, nothing more"
8)
out of topic pero may nakita ka na ba na Marantz PM7200 int-amp? BTW, a German hi-fi mag just made a review that the NAD C352 trashes that bulkier and heftier Class A amp of Marantz....
;D :o
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This is really an exciting event. Different CD players with different nationality with different reviews claiming they the best on its class! OK ito sana matuloy na talaga. BTW, what time ba ito?
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Iyong sa akin may slight problem. Mag-skip kapag may scratch and CD. Siguro namn lahat ng i-play na CD sa event sa Sat ay wala pang scratch.
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Nels,
No problem yan..
Odyopayl,
1pm start pre..
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Guys,
Is it possible na different music genre play natin?? jazz, rock, & disco. ::)
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Sa Sabado STAR STRUCK - CD Player Edition.
Connect. Play. Survive.
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pwede po ba makasama sa sabado???? ::)
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Guys,
Is it possible na different music genre play natin?? jazz, rock, & disco. ::)
agree ako dito para matest din with the different genres hindi lang sa vocals/jazz :D
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Guys,
I will be changing my CD Player entry . I'll bring my HK DVD 22 instead of my DENON DCD 800 since marami na may dala ng DENON. Mukha kasi maganda CD playback nitong DVD 22. I-test ko against sa mga heavyweights na CD Player (Fingers crossed).
nels76
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Just a though, would it be more appropriate if we compare CD player Vs. Cd player and DVD player vs. DVD player CD playback quality.
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krets,
saan mo na-audition yan? how many bits? is it HDCD capable? what are the available colors?
::)
electronics depot in festival alabang as odyopayl suggested. sila daw nagpapasok ng marantz dito
bits? - doesn't say but multi-level delta sigma of Cirrus Logic (CS4392)
hdcd? - not capable
available colors? - gold only
;D
out of topic pero may nakita ka na ba na Marantz PM7200 int-amp? BTW, a German hi-fi mag just made a review that the NAD C352 trashes that bulkier and heftier Class A amp of Marantz....
;D :o
wala pa dude! receivers lang. bihira na ako makakita ng marantz dealers. but you can ask electronics depot branches if they'll bring integrated amps here.
;D
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Just a though, would it be more appropriate if we compare CD player Vs. Cd player and DVD player vs. DVD player CD playback quality.
Agree, lets make another criteria. "Best Sounding DVD player for CD playback" shotout!
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Panalo na DVD 22 diyan. he he. Unless may magdala na higher end. But still, Ill bring my DVD 22 on Saturday.
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I'll bring my Sony DVP-S9000ES :D
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mga sir paano ba gagawin ang shootout.....
magkakaroon ba ng official winner o kanya-kanyang conclusions na lang?
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Philander,
That's HEAd to HEAD.
Your renowned SONY ES DVD Player vs. HK DVD 22 on Audio CD Playback and DVD Playback of course. Whew. kinakabahan ako dito.
Updated list:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Denon 1015 - hans and france
6. Rotel RCD-1070 - murcielago
7. Sony 227 ESD - isak0411
8. Denon DCD 800 - nels
8. Sony 337 ESD - BGA VI
9. Denon DCD 830 - BGA VI
10. HK DVD 22 - nels
11. Sony DVP-S9000ES - Philander
Akyat and to the rest of the attendess sa CD / DVD Player shootout sa SAT, lets plan paano ang process of Elimination.
Until now la pa conclusion paano ang contest. Can someone suggest on this? Dapat there should be a winner. Tayo tayo lang naman. Magkakabrod naman tayo. Lets be professional on this.
- Please post here tracks to be played and categories, e.g., Rock, Jaxx, Techno, etc.
- Stacking of CD Palyer on tha rack
- Who's going to switch on which CD Player to be played
- Interconnects to be used - dapat isa lang
- amps, Speaker Cables and speakers to be used - dapat isa lang din.
Please post your suggestions and plans.
Thanks.
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hi, paki remove na nung denon dcd-830, i swapped it with an amplifier. bring ko pa rin yung sony 337esd :D
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bgavi, mukhang panalo sa denon yun sony ES ha, sariling CD player shootout ba?
OT: anong amp na-iskor mo na bago?
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Hi guys, pls. be reminded that this is not really a competition who is the best sounding players but this can be judge on it's price or cost of the player. For example how the Php45k player compared to Php 9k player? Of course this is the time we can hear the best sounding ss CD Player.
This time baka marinig natin ang Php2.5K CD player sounds Php 45K right? who knows? or Php4.5K tweak can make your CD player sound Php50K! Exciting ito!
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Guys,
Sama din ako kay Iceman.. mga crew men.. hehehehe but
Wala pa tayo..
Amp - ano gusto nyo TUBE o SS amp
IC - I can bring silver IC ( 2 pcs ) good for 2 cd player agad..
Speaker -
Music - sana meron mag burn ng 2 copies na same tracks.. with Jazz, rock & disco ba??
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Guys,
Wala pa tayo..
Amp - ano gusto nyo TUBE o SS amp
IC - I can bring silver IC ( 2 pcs ) good for 2 cd player agad..
Speaker -
Music - sana meron mag burn ng 2 copies na same tracks.. with Jazz, rock & disco ba??
as posted earlier, my MS 914s and MF SS separates can be used unless may gusto magdala ng ibang gear, you are welcome...let me know lang para di ko na ilabas from my listening room...kimpao is bringing his xlo speaker cables daw :D
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pwede po ba makasama sa sabado???? ::)
hola james, sabay ka na lang kina nelson ;)
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parang nakikita ko na mananalo dito ah...
:o :o
alam ko na, ung rotel rcd965bx...honorary winner ;D ;D ;D
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Cannot commit yet. Ang layo kasi and I don't know that area. Maybe kung may masasabayan from Mkti or preferably the Fort where I work, pwede ako. :)
murcielago pwede ka sabay sa kin. im coming from buendia.
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I now volunteer myself as the switcher.
Guys, I really want to see the differences among these CD Players so ako na mag-volunter as the switcher during the session. Lets hide the CD Players behind the curtains and the switching entails connecting / disconnecting the IC to/from the CD Player being played. If we use an amp as a switcher, iba-iba IC pa ggmitin. Would that be OK?
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sir akyat,
sent u a pm :)
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Updated list:
CD Players
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Denon 1015 - hans and france
6. Rotel RCD-1070 - murcielago
7. Sony 227 ESD - isak0411
8. Sony 337 ESD - BGA VI
DVD Players
9. HK DVD 22 - nels
10. Sony DVP-S9000ES - Philander
;D :-*
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Guys,
Kung ok lang sa iyo i volunteer my AMX amp pwede kasi 2 cd player simultaneous na playing di na kailangan magtagal ng IC.. may switch yun so up down lang mas mabilis natin ma notice yun diff kasi sabay play yun Cd player kaya we need 2 copies na burn cd with same track hehehehe..
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I now volunteer myself as the switcher.
dapat let's give that privilege to the host.... he he he!! sya na lang operator, what do you say sir Narayan?
;D ;D
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Audioslave,
Sir sure ako walang problema kay Sir Narayan kung sino magoperate kasi dati kami lang bahala eh... sya naman bahala sa electricity hehehehhee
peace sir Obet..
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Guys,
Kung ok lang sa iyo i volunteer my AMX amp pwede kasi 2 cd player simultaneous na playing di na kailangan magtagal ng IC.. may switch yun so up down lang mas mabilis natin ma notice yun diff kasi sabay play yun Cd player kaya we need 2 copies na burn cd with same track hehehehe..
OK lang yan, sir. ikaw naman ang magbubuhat eh.. ;D
pag-usapan naman pala natin which CDs to play. kelangan nga talaga two identical CDs being played at the same time para ma-notice agad natin ang difference.
suggest na kayo which titles to bring... baka meron na tayo nyan and we need not burn a copy anymore...
:-*
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audioslave,
OK lang yan, sir. ikaw naman ang magbubuhat eh.. ;D
:-*
OO nga no sir... ;D ;D
titles pala??? suggest na mga fogiiiii!! ;D
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some suggested CDs/tracks:
(1) any chesky CD preferably rebecca pidgeon, livingston taylor, etc.
(2) any sheffield CD like clair marlo, michael ruff
(3) any telarc CD na big band
(4) diana krall's when i look into your eyes
(5) evanesence, toto
thanks!
di pa din ako sure makapunta...sigh!
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Baka magalit si Sir Obet. Siya na Host, siya pa switcher. Don't worry guys. I'll be discrete in doing the switch. Iyon nga lang pag gear ko na ang isinalang baka maging bias ako. Since BGA withdraws his DCD 830, Ill bring my DCD 800 para dalawa kami ni hans na may DENON. Ayos ba sir Hans? I'll still bring the DVD 22.
Updates:
Host: Narayan
Venue: Narayan's Sanctuary
Date and Time: June 12, 2004; 1:00 PM
Sources and attendees:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Denon 1015 - hans and france
6. Rotel RCD-1070 - murcielago
7. Sony 227 ESD - isak0411
8. Sony 337 ESD - BGA VI
9. Denon DCD 800 - nels
DVD Players
9. HK DVD 22 - nels
10. Sony DVP-S9000ES - Philander
Interconnects (CD Player to AMX Amp): 2 pcs Silver IC by Hans (good for 2 CD Players)
AMP to be used: AMX by Hans
Speaker Cables: Speaker Cable XLO reference by isako411
Speakers: By default, we'll use Narayan's MS 914 unless someone volunteers to bring another pair of Spekers.
Music to be played: To Be Defined.
SWITCHER: Nels (Sino pa gusto?)
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Nels,
Isak will bring speaker cable XLO reference...
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Are we going to use all original CDs?
Just to inform you that my Sony CD/DVD player does not read CDRs, but can read CD-RWs.
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Nels,
Isak will bring speaker cable XLO reference...
Updated na po
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SWITCHER: Nels (Sino pa gusto?)
pag maka dating ako - facilitator, para di mo alam kung cd player mo yung tumutugtog :)
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Iceman & Nels,
Tatlo na tayo sa position ha.... O0
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Here's a suggested set-up:
Bracket A:
(1) Pioneer PD-S505
(2) Sony 227ESD
(3) Denon DCD-800
Bracket B:
(1) NAD C542
(2) Sony 337ESD
(3) Denon 1015
Bracket C:
(1) Usher CD-100
(2) Rotel RCD-965
(3) Rotel RCD-1070
Winners on each bracket will go head to head with each other.
If Hans can provide 3 pairs of his silver interconnects I can bring over my amp which can accept 3 sources.
I can also make 3 copies of our reference tracks using Exact Audio Copy written 4x speed on Memorex black cdrs. This cdr uses gold dye for its reflective layer so compatibility should not be an issue.
May I request to include a track from Norah Jones' Come Away With Me album as this is my reference album. Maybe we can ask the participants suggest their reference tracks to be included to be able to show the best of their cd players. Please no HDCD, SACD or DVD-A because not all players can play these formats.
I have some Cheskys, Sheffield and Telarc on hand.
Some suggested tracks:
1. Spanish Harlem - Rebecca Pidgeon (Ultimate Demonstration Disc/Chesky) for female voice realism.
2. More Than You'll Ever Know - Michael Ruff (Speaking In Melodies/Sheffield) for a test on the male voice.
3. Misty - Christy Baron (I Thought About You/Chesky) This tracks has a lot of deep bass. You can feel it on your chest on good speakers.
4. The Magnificent Seven - Erich Kunzel (Round Up/Telarc) for that full orcheastra dynamics!
5. Canon & Gigue - Christpher Hogwood (B&W Reference Disc) great violin passages. Superb on tube amps.
6. Seven Years - Norah Jones (Come Away With Me/Bluenote) special request :).
Dami entries. Not sure if we can listen to a lot of tracks.
Usher and Rotels? Kabado na pioneer ko. Nag ji-jitters na siya! :) :) :)
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ako "miron" lang ako. ;D ;D
lista niyo kung anung tracks para makapag burn ako. i suggest that we limit it only to a few tracks dahil maraming cd players ang naka linya mga sirs.
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Odyopayl,
Take a look at these:
http://eddie.dyec.com.tw/diy-demo/audio-diy/cd_dvd_modify/cd-100/ushercd-100.htm
http://eddie.dyec.com.tw/diy-demo/audio-diy/cd_dvd_modify/cd-100_2/user_cd-100_ii.htm
http://eddie.dyec.com.tw/diy-demo/audio-diy/cd_dvd_modify/cd-100_3/user_cd-100_3.htm
Its in Chinese pero the pictures says it all.
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Bruno,
No problem with silver IC kimpao can bring one ( Di ba sir Kimpao ;D ) but wonder di kaya difficult to listen to 3 cd player agad??? but I think with the number of entries and music title eh abutin tayo maghapon tama yan 3 at a time.. was thinking 2 at a time lang.. ;D
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ok, alang problema basta kayo nag-request. ;D
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Odyopayl,
Take a look at these:
http://eddie.dyec.com.tw/diy-demo/audio-diy/cd_dvd_modify/cd-100/ushercd-100.htm
http://eddie.dyec.com.tw/diy-demo/audio-diy/cd_dvd_modify/cd-100_2/user_cd-100_ii.htm
http://eddie.dyec.com.tw/diy-demo/audio-diy/cd_dvd_modify/cd-100_3/user_cd-100_3.htm
Its in Chinese pero the pictures says it all.
Thanks Bruno, I'll be going to Hyperaudio for the modification para medyo may laban hehehe
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hmmm ::) ::) clock and DAC modifications. >:D >:D nice to have, nice to do. better to buy a new player since price for parts will be the same or sometimes maybe higher. :) IMHO.
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hmmm ::) ::) clock and DAC modifications. >:D >:D nice to have, nice to do. better to buy a new player since price for parts will be the same or sometimes maybe higher. :) IMHO.
My Idea is to upgrade to Fast Recovery diodes including Power & Coupling capacitors only, if Op Amp AD8066 is available it would be.
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hi, mga sir what time ba punta ? Address? ;D
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hi, mga sir what time ba punta ? Address? ;D
sent you pm bro
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Guys,
Kung ok lang sa iyo i volunteer my AMX amp pwede kasi 2 cd player simultaneous na playing di na kailangan magtagal ng IC.. may switch yun so up down lang mas mabilis natin ma notice yun diff kasi sabay play yun Cd player kaya we need 2 copies na burn cd with same track hehehehe..
oks ito...di magtatagal sa tanggal kabit...i have also several pairs of identical audio technica i/c kung sakali para parehas :D
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di pa din ako sure makapunta...sigh!
sayang bro but ot, in case di pa sold ung oval 12 mo, baka pwede mahiram...would just want to compare it with the the xlo towards the end of the session...TIA ;)
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I really hope Iceman could bring his Consonance so we could all hear this much talked about CD player.
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Baka magalit si Sir Obet. Siya na Host, siya pa switcher. Don't worry guys. I'll be discrete in doing the switch. Iyon nga lang pag gear ko na ang isinalang baka maging bias ako. Since BGA withdraws his DCD 830, Ill bring my DCD 800 para dalawa kami ni hans na may DENON. Ayos ba sir Hans? I'll still bring the DVD 22.
Updates:
Host: Narayan
Venue: Narayan's Sanctuary
Date and Time: June 12, 2004; 1:00 PM
Sources and attendees:
1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Denon 1015 - hans and france
6. Rotel RCD-1070 - murcielago
7. Sony 227 ESD - isak0411
8. Sony 337 ESD - BGA VI
9. Denon DCD 800 - nels
DVD Players
9. HK DVD 22 - nels
10. Sony DVP-S9000ES - Philander
Interconnects (CD Player to AMX Amp): 2 pcs Silver IC by Hans (good for 2 CD Players)
AMP to be used: AMX by Hans
Speaker Cables: Speaker Cable XLO reference by isako411
Speakers: By default, we'll use Narayan's MS 914 unless someone volunteers to bring another pair of Spekers.
Music to be played: To Be Defined.
SWITCHER: Nels (Sino pa gusto?)
may i know if rony is willing to bring his 2010 exposure? how come his unit is not in the list?
thanks.
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I hope I can attend this weekend. Habol lang ako because I have a client meeting. I can also bring my Nakamichi CD player.
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murcielago pwede ka sabay sa kin. im coming from buendia.
OK thanks. Will send you a PM.
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I really hope Iceman could bring his Consonance so we could all hear this much talked about CD player.
sigh...
after looking at my list of things i have to do - things i want to do - and things i must do (or else) i have determined i can't make it on saturday :(
sched na lang natin top contenders na lalabas sa sat with my cd player some other time.... next week perhaps? ;)
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hi guys!
would have wanted to bring the MF CDP...however, just got word that my meeting will push thru...plus there's an Alaska (PBA) game in the afternoon which i have to watch (my dad is with Alaska Milk)...hope there's a next time...the following weekend i'll be out again, sigh!...anyway, enjoy guys!...do let us know of the results...god bless!
superman 8)
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sigh...
i have determined i can't make it on saturday :(
sched na lang natin top contenders na lalabas sa sat with my cd player some other time.... next week perhaps? ;)
sayang!! wala tayong reference player...
parang elimination round pala sa saturday, who ever comes up the top 3 or 4 CD players would advance to the championship round and have a chance to square off with the seeded CD players... he he he
;D ;D ;D
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if my new CDP arrives before the "next phase", then i'll bring it also...para andiyan din consonance ni iceman...although no final yet on what CDP i'm getting... :D
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parang elimination round pala sa saturday, who ever comes up the top 3 or 4 CD players would advance to the championship round and have a chance to square off with the seeded CD players... he he he
yes!! maganda ito.... the winner gets into a battle royale with the high-end cdps.
sana ma-invite natin ang sex bomb dancers para sa opening number hehehe. ;D ;D
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Guys,
Exciting itong event my special number pa seX bomb.. >:D >:D
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jessica soho na rin pre para magawan ng documentary......
mike enriquez at mon tulfo in case may anomalya sa scoring.....
si osang at lolit solis para may tsismis in case may kontrobersya......
sir obet, mukhang mapapalaban ka sa dami ng pupunta, kung may kailangan dalahin pwede ako tumulong.... ano pa ba kulang para ma-accomodate ang mga bisita? mani, ice, blindfolds, etc.
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I hope I can attend this weekend. Habol lang ako because I have a client meeting. I can also bring my Nakamichi CD player.
sige bro... sana makapunta ka para marinig namin yang bago mong player...you know naman our place :D
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Hey Sir Narayan, Youre from quezon city ba? Can you pm me the address, I would like to come and listen sana, miron lang ;) I live in Fairvw QC, baka malapit ka lang.
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Narayan,
sir, yaya ako nang yaya eh hindi ko pa pala alam papunta sa inyo. paki-PM naman directions mo.
thanks
;D
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basta ako miron lang, taga-buhat ng gears papunta sa auto ko............este...........tutulong lang pala. ;D ;D ;D dalhan ko nalang si sir obet ng jacintha cd (entrance fee). Ahehehehehehe ;D ;D ;D
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jessica soho na rin pre para magawan ng documentary......
mike enriquez at mon tulfo in case may anomalya sa scoring.....
si osang at lolit solis para may tsismis in case may kontrobersya......
sir obet, mukhang mapapalaban ka sa dami ng pupunta, kung may kailangan dalahin pwede ako tumulong.... ano pa ba kulang para ma-accomodate ang mga bisita? mani, ice, blindfolds, etc.
ang maganda - kontakin nyo si Symon. connected yun sa Summit media (FHM, Gadgets) para gawan ng feature yung CD shootout. tapos dapat may model na kasama - baka di bumenta yung magazine kung tayo naka topless dun di ba?
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sir obet, mukhang mapapalaban ka sa dami ng pupunta, kung may kailangan dalahin pwede ako tumulong.... ano pa ba kulang para ma-accomodate ang mga bisita? mani, ice, blindfolds, etc.
onga ano ::)wala pa naman kami maid pag weekend...tapos si kumander yayayain ang kanyang mga inakay sa sm fairview...para wala daw tayo istorbo ;D bahala na lang, mga dating boy scouts naman tayong lahat...we will survive ;D
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bro titanium & audioslave,
sent you pm re directions ;)
kimpao,
thanks bro, kung meron kang bagong aquisitions, kopya ko habang nagse-session ;D
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kimpao,
thanks bro, kung meron kang bagong aquisitions, kopya ko habang nagse-session ;D
Dami tayo ngayon sir!!! ;D
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bro kimpao,
you have pm ;)
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Sir Narayan, pwedeng pa PM ng location ng shootout? Gusto ko rin sanang isalangi itong surplus cd player ko, bought it mga 2 weeks ago, its a panasonic sl-ps700, what's different about it is that it uses just 1-bit DAC but utilises MASH (multi-stage noise reduction). The specs of the player based on the online manual, Freq Range = 2hz to 20khz, S/N = 114db, THD = .0028, dynamic range = 110db. This player is made in japan, but when i saw the technics cdplayer thats for sale dito, parang pareho yung specs nila, but that is the US version. Hope pwede pang makahabol itong lowly player ko :) Need to know the place where the shootout will take place first. thanks
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yes!! maganda ito.... the winner gets into a battle royale with the high-end cdps.
sana ma-invite natin ang sex bomb dancers para sa opening number hehehe. ;D ;D
Kausapin ko si Allan K hehehe para papuntahin mga SexBomb dancers. Malapit lang naman siya nakatira kay Narayan
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1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Denon 1015 - hans and france
6. Rotel RCD-1070 - murcielago
7. Sony 227 ESD - isak0411
8. Sony 337 ESD - BGA VI
9. Denon DCD 800 - nels
10. Exposure 2010 - rony
11. Panasonic SL-PS700 - DOHbert
12. Nakamichi MB-10 - Levi
DVD Players
13. HK DVD 22 - nels
14. Sony DVP-S9000ES - Philander
cut off na... dami na tayo
:o :P
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Dami na cd player :o :o dami ipo-post na F/S pagka-tapos ng shootout! Ahehehehehe ;D ;D ;D
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Audioslave,
Wala sa updated list mo iyong NAKAMICHI CDP ni Levi.
Dadalhin niya ata.
Kung sino man manalo dito shall battle the title holder in the future - CONSONANCE CDP. ;)
Kimpao,
wag kn mahiya. dalhin mo na din Rotel mo. O may magdadala na among the lists? May kapareho na ba Rotel mo diyan sa mga nakalista?
Guys, sino ang expected winner and sino underdog?
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Dami na cd player :o :o dami ipo-post na F/S pagka-tapos ng shootout! Ahehehehehe ;D ;D ;D
wag lang sabay sabay ang pag post...otherwise, babaratin yan sigurado dahil alam nila mga dehado sa shootout ;D
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Sir Narayan, pwedeng pa PM ng location ng shootout? Gusto ko rin sanang isalangi itong surplus cd player ko, bought it mga 2 weeks ago, its a panasonic sl-ps700, what's different about it is that it uses just 1-bit DAC but utilises MASH (multi-stage noise reduction). The specs of the player based on the online manual, Freq Range = 2hz to 20khz, S/N = 114db, THD = .0028, dynamic range = 110db. This player is made in japan, but when i saw the technics cdplayer thats for sale dito, parang pareho yung specs nila, but that is the US version. Hope pwede pang makahabol itong lowly player ko :) Need to know the place where the shootout will take place first. thanks
bro,
sent you pm
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Audioslave,
Wala sa updated list mo iyong NAKAMICHI CDP ni Levi.
Dadalhin niya ata.
Kung sino man manalo dito shall battle the title holder in the future - CONSONANCE CDP. ;)
Kimpao,
wag kn mahiya. dalhin mo na din Rotel mo. O may magdadala na among the lists? May kapareho na ba Rotel mo diyan sa mga nakalista?
Guys, sino ang expected winner and sino underdog?
yaw ko pre. ;D I have already conditioned my ears, pocket and mind that i have a nice cd player. ;D ;D hirap niyan baka pag-dinala ko yung cdp ko sa sat. maging exposure yun pagdating ng next week. ;D ;D ;D
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1. USHER CD-100 - odyopayl
2. NAD C542 - audioslave
3. Pioneer PD-S505 - bruno
4. Rotel RCD-965BX - Narayan
5. Denon 1015 - hans and france
6. Rotel RCD-1070 - murcielago
7. Sony 227 ESD - isak0411
8. Sony 337 ESD - BGA VI
9. Denon DCD 800 - nels
10. Exposure 2010 - rony
11. Panasonic SL-PS700 - DOHbert
12. Nakamichi MB-10 - Levi
DVD Players
13. HK DVD 22 - nels
14. Sony DVP-S9000ES - Philander
ayan pre, kumpleto na casting
:o :P
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its a panasonic sl-ps700, what's different about it is that it uses just 1-bit DAC but utilises MASH (multi-stage noise reduction). The specs of the player based on the online manual, Freq Range = 2hz to 20khz, S/N = 114db, THD = .0028, dynamic range = 110db.
from the specs of this player, it even surpassed mine!! this must be a clean sounding machine with a superb channel separation.
::) :o
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Kimpao,
Oo nga. mahirap iyan. Baka paguwi mo wala ka ng CD Player dahil ipinagbili mo na agad. Ako, matalo man si DENON ko. ok lang. Meron akong antidote sa SARS eh - AIDS [Acquired Income Deficiency Syndrome - (got fom other post dito)].
Ano man maging resulta, atin atin na lang. Wag muna i-post dito dahil hindi mabebenta iyon mga dehado. O0
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Guys, sino ang expected winner and sino underdog?
kung parang sa karera ng kabayo bro, tataya na ko ng FORECAST at QUARTET at this early... ;D
FORECAST
1. Exposure 2010
2. Usher CD-10
QUARTET
1. Exposure 2010
2. Usher CD-10
3. Rotel RCD-1070
4. NAD C542
in that order yan kase Forecast and Quartet...
syempre may list of darkhorse din tayo:
5. Nakamichi MB-10
6. Rotel RCD985BX
7. Pioneer PD-S505
8. Panasonic SL PS700
mga parekuy, akin lang yan....
gawa rin kayo ng listahan nyo, huwag na kayo mahiya!!
he he he
;D ;D ;D
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Guys,
Ano sino kaya?? dami magaganda...
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sigurado iyong kay Narayan ang dapat manalo. Kung hindi papalabasin tayo ng bahay nila. ;D
Peace tayo, Narayan.
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since everything is set in place, now how do we run the program? medyo maraming cdps mga bosing. can anyone suggest a format wherein we could listen to each cdp with the least time? di kaya nakakahiya dun sa host kung magdamag tayo sa kanila. ;D ;D
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I suggest the following:
For Jazz/Vocals
Stacey Kent's So Nice
Patricia Barber's A taste of honey
Livingston Taylor's Isn't She Lovely
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Sir Narayan, pwedeng pa PM ng location ng shootout. Thanks
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since everything is set in place, now how do we run the program? medyo maraming cdps mga bosing. can anyone suggest a format wherein we could listen to each cdp with the least time? di kaya nakakahiya dun sa host kung magdamag tayo sa kanila. ;D ;D
suggest we play 1 number ea. for vocal,jazz/instrumental and another type(bahala kayo) for each cdp per batch...we dont really have to finish the whole song naman...we can use another set of music for another batch and so on...
btw, ok lang sa akin kung magdamag tayo...baka lang di na kayo pabalikin sa amin ni kumander ;D ;D ;D
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Sir Narayan, pwedeng pa PM ng location ng shootout. Thanks
sent you pm bro
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Guys,
Was thinking lets play it by 2 simutaneous silang nagplay sa same music tapos we can switch between or middle of the track so madali ma-recognize yun difference than finish the track and switch to another player..
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Guys,
Was thinking lets play it by 2 simutaneous silang nagplay sa same music tapos we can switch between or middle of the track so madali ma-recognize yun different than finish the track and switch to another player..
maganda yan sir parang yan yun ginawa natin sa house nun kaso sa ic naman natin sinubukan. ;D sino kaya ang mabait na magdadala ng dalawang copy ng cds na gagamitin
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I have a Sheffield Drive and a Chesky's Ultimate Demonstration Disc CDs?
any of these two CDs are already a complete test CD? kelangan pa natin tig-isang kopya para may 2 identical CDs tayo.
;D ;D
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OK I'll bring along my Chesky UDD.
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OK I'll bring along my Chesky UDD.
OK, may pang-test na tayo. we now have two identical test CD. This Chesky CD is good for critical listening and for testing audio equipment and speakers.
;D
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kung parang sa karera ng kabayo bro, tataya na ko ng FORECAST at QUARTET at this early... ;D
FORECAST
1. Exposure 2010
2. Usher CD-10
QUARTET
1. Exposure 2010
2. Usher CD-10
3. Rotel RCD-1070
4. NAD C542
in that order yan kase Forecast and Quartet...
syempre may list of darkhorse din tayo:
5. Nakamichi MB-10
6. Rotel RCD985BX
7. Pioneer PD-S505
8. Panasonic SL PS700
mga parekuy, akin lang yan....
gawa rin kayo ng listahan nyo, huwag na kayo mahiya!!
he he he
;D ;D ;D
Audioslave, medyo nakaka-pressure yata forecast mo, my player is all stock wala pang modification na ginagawa, anyway thanks for being the 1st runner-up hehehe
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Audioslave, medyo nakaka-pressure yata forecast mo, my player is all stock wala pang modification na ginagawa, anyway thanks for being the 1st runner-up hehehe
yung Pioneer PD-S505 lang naman yata ni bruno ang modified among the entries eh. kaya nga nasa dark horse list ko eh.. ;D ;D
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guys madami itong papakinggan natin 15 units.
between 1pm to 6pm we can play up to 20mins each if we play them only once.... but since this is a shootout we might be playing half of them 2x, some of them 3x.... i think we will be staying at sir narayan's house up to 9pm like we did before, unless we do something to minimize the number of rounds.
i heard there will be at least 4 amps? dala na ba tayo ng unan? hehe :-X
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d kaya maging pareparehas na ang tunog ng cdps sa sobrang dami ;D dapat nyan mabilisan ang pagpalit ng cdps para d tayo abutin ng 9pm. i suggest one song each for jazz, vocals, rock para tatlong genre lang pakinggan natin. ;)
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mukhang mag-a-ala kuya germs kayo niyan - WALANG TULUGAN! 8)
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kung parang sa karera ng kabayo bro, tataya na ko ng FORECAST at QUARTET at this early... ;D
FORECAST
1. Exposure 2010
2. Usher CD-10
QUARTET
1. Exposure 2010
2. Usher CD-10
3. Rotel RCD-1070
4. NAD C542
in that order yan kase Forecast and Quartet...
syempre may list of darkhorse din tayo:
5. Nakamichi MB-10
6. Rotel RCD985BX
7. Pioneer PD-S505
8. Panasonic SL PS700
mga parekuy, akin lang yan....
gawa rin kayo ng listahan nyo, huwag na kayo mahiya!!
he he he
;D ;D ;D
nice line of players for the shootout, parang sws survey ha hehehehehe... ;D
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btw, nagrequest si zephyr na ihabol kung sakali libre siya ung bago niyang NAD 521bee
para daw dalawa entry na nad ;D
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Guys,
Ilang pala attend?? so we can sum up tapos kahit tig 3 person sabay magjudge so mas mabilis...... kung marami tapos one at a time pa tayo eh maging Kuya germs tayo hehehehe
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kung parang sa karera ng kabayo bro, tataya na ko ng FORECAST at QUARTET at this early... ;D
FORECAST
1. Exposure 2010
2. Usher CD-10
QUARTET
1. Exposure 2010
2. Usher CD-10
3. Rotel RCD-1070
4. NAD C542
in that order yan kase Forecast and Quartet...
syempre may list of darkhorse din tayo:
5. Nakamichi MB-10
6. Rotel RCD985BX
7. Pioneer PD-S505
8. Panasonic SL PS700
mga parekuy, akin lang yan....
gawa rin kayo ng listahan nyo, huwag na kayo mahiya!!
he he he
;D ;D ;D
I put my bet on the Rotel RCD-1070.
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exposure 2010...
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Audioslave, iyo ba yung US version? Yun nga napansin ko, almost the same yung specs, pero itong japanese version parang mas nakalamang ng kaunti sa specs. Sana makuha ko na bukas yung sansui AU-D907X ko para madala ko sabado and mapakinggan din ng iba, or baka sa surplus amp shootout nalang :P sorry, medyo OT.
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sir dohbert,
kita tayo sa sabado, ano oras ka punta ? sana wala traffic !
sino kaya mananalo sana surplus. Hehehe ;D ;D
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exposure 2010 din ako at rotel rcd-985bx (para papasukin ako ng host sa haybols niya, mwehehehehehe) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.
di kaya mas ok kung ss amp ang gamitin sa shootout. >:D ;D
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hehe, sana surplus nga manalo :) kaya yung mga nagdala ng surplus dapat di magkasama sa pag judge, tanggalin natin yung magagaling, tapos iwan natin sariling atin :P BG_AVI, mga 2pm na malamang ako, or kung mas late maka daan, baka iwan ko nalang yung player muna, tapos makiki session nalang afterwards.
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Hope we can make the shot-out as simple as possible let's say will create criterias:
VOCALS:
SOUNDSTAGE.......ETCH.
And maybe we can make use of different amplifier for the criterias, Nakakahiya kasi sa host kung mago-overtime tayo. Ano suggestions nyo? Dapat ma-finalize na ang mga gagamiting CDs. Because marami ng entry maybe we can group 3 player at a time, para walang biased lets raffle for a number?
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I had a chance to home demo the Exposure before and its a fine player for the type of music I like (rock) with lots of attack. However, with the equipment I have, I couldn't detect an appreciable difference with the 1070. It all came down to features and build (the 1070 feels twice as heavy as the 2010) thats why I chose the Rotel. But yes the 2010 did beat the 1070 narrowly in a Hi-Fi Choice shootout.
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dodonate ako ng chicharon jan-- ako na ang magdadala-- ;D
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exposure 2010 din ako at rotel rcd-985bx (para papasukin ako ng host sa haybols niya, mwehehehehehe) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.
di kaya mas ok kung ss amp ang gamitin sa shootout. >:D ;D
sige dalhin ni hans yung gainclone...ss yun >:D
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John,
No problem sir...
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And maybe we can make use of different amplifier for the criterias
IMHO, not a good idea bro, results will vary if we use different amps. :)
peace man. :)
Teka, since cdp shootout naman 'to diba dapat hindi lang sonic capabilitities ang kasama, siguro dapat isama din yung read capabilities nung mga player ::) ::) >:D >:D
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sana huwag tayo masyado matagalan.... hindi na effective ang shootout kung magsi-uwian yun iba dahil late na, esp. yun mga CDP owners baka kasama yun CDP paguwi hehe.
kapag 2 at a time ang comparison matagal masyado.... kung 3 at a time, all 15 CDP's will be played at least once (round 1), 5 units will be played twice (round 2), and 2 units will be played thrice (finals)..... that means we'll be playing a CD player 22 times..... between 1pm to 6pm we can play them no more than 13minutes each (assuming continuous playing).
tama nga ba kuya germs?
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sana huwag tayo masyado matagalan.... hindi na effective ang shootout kung magsi-uwian yun iba dahil late na, esp. yun mga CDP owners baka kasama yun CDP paguwi hehe.
kapag 2 at a time ang comparison matagal masyado.... kung 3 at a time, all 15 CDP's will be played at least once (round 1), 5 units will be played twice (round 2), and 2 units will be played thrice (finals)..... that means we'll be playing a CD player 22 times..... between 1pm to 6pm we can play them no more than 13minutes each (assuming continuous playing).
bros,
pls dont get the impression na hanggang 6pm lang tayo...suggest we get on with the shootout right away and then listen to the group winners later with no rush...ok ba ;)
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ah ok my mistake sir.... pwede tayo abutin ng tulad dati? isip ko lang kasi sir yun mga usual suspects lagi naiiwan pagsapit ng dilim hehe.... bilib nga ako kay kuya hans parang wala problema kay komander pagdating sa mga lakad na solo hehehe.
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pwede tayo abutin ng tulad dati?
hanggang hindi pa masama and tingin ni mrs sa inyo ;D ;D ;D
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bilib nga ako kay kuya hans parang wala problema kay komander pagdating sa mga lakad na solo hehehe.
Akyat,
Bakit ako nasama??? ;D ;D
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Bakit ako nasama??? ;D ;D
kasi ikaw ang idol namin sa mga lakaran at gulaman.... hehehe ;D
OT pwede ba wag ko na ibalik 'tong tube amp mo? ganda tunog eh match sa speaker ko.
bukas na pala gaganapin ang main event..... decided na ba kung alin speaker/amp gagamitin? so far mga nag-offer ng amp: hans (amx EL34 push-pull amp), bruno (integrated amp), john (amx KT88 monoblocks)...... andun rin naman ang onkyo integra preamp + rotel power amp ni narayan.
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kasi ikaw ang idol namin sa mga lakaran at gulaman.... hehehe ;D
OT pwede ba wag ko na ibalik 'tong tube amp mo? ganda tunog eh match sa speaker ko.
bukas na pala gaganapin ang main event..... decided na ba kung alin speaker/amp gagamitin? so far mga nag-offer ng amp: hans (amx EL34 push-pull amp), bruno (integrated amp), john (amx KT88 monoblocks)...... andun rin naman ang onkyo integra preamp + rotel power amp ni narayan.
sama mo na yung gainclone :) what speakers will be used??
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guys,
para din mabilis ang main event, suggest lets just use one amp during the shootout and play with the other amps later na lang...btw, ung MS 914s ko na ba gagamitin or meron sa inyong gustong magdala ng iba ;)
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agree ako dyan... to simplify things, let's just use the gears of Narayan and later play with the other amps pag tapos na shoot out...
::) ;)
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hokey, its settled then... for the main event, we will use the MS 914s with the MF pre/power amps...the preamp can accept at least 3 sources so walang problem...the interconnects and speaker cables will be brought by the assigned persons :D
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<CD player 1> -------->
<CD player 2> --------> MF preamp --------> MF power amp -------> MS-914
<CD player 3> -------->
3 pairs silver IC.... and one more from preamp to power amp.... tapos speaker cable.
tama ba 'torney? ;D
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akyat,
no need for another I/C for the amps... di ba may dedicated XLR(balanced) I/Cs na yun para sa 2 power amps...tagal na kase huling ginamit natin ;D
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sir obet, ano gagamitin na speaker wires yung xlo refernce o yung pro? nabanggit sa akin ni hans last night type mo rin daw marinig yung PRO, tama ba sir? :D
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akyat,
korek ka dyan... dapat yung 3 interconnects hooked up to the pre-amp should be identical in brand, model and length. and the next problem crops up... who among you guys have the same ICs? what's the most common ICs ba na gamit nyo?
though the ICs to be used would play a very important factor in the output of our CDPs like for example, silver-based ICs are anathema to NAD coz they would make it sound harsh. NAD CDPs excel much with just copper based ICs like the Ixos, Tara Labs and some Ecosse models.
::) :-*
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me gusto bang kumanta bukas para magdala ako ng mic?-- ;D
bro kimpao me pm ako sau-- ;)
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good insight there 'torney.... although this is a competitive shootout, the winning CDP will be the one that matches best with the gears & cables we'll be using.... so at the end of the day, it's all for fun. ;D ;D ;D
one CDP owner will go home smiling, the rest should be smiling too coz they will all be runner-ups.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Silverwire ICs will be provided by me and Hans. :D
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Silverwire ICs will be provided by me and Hans. :D
patay tayo dyan....
di bale, XLO Reference naman speaker cable natin kaya OK lang... the extravagant treble of a 24-bit CD player will be neutralized by this bass heavy thick cable.
;D :o
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kimpao,
would like to hear ung pro sana bro...ito ba ung tig P200/ft? compare natin sa ixos6006 :D
audioslave,
dont worry, pag nad na ang nakasalang, i have 3 pairs of identical audio technica I/Cs :D
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kimpao,
would like to hear ung pro sana bro...ito ba ung tig P200/ft? compare natin sa ixos6006 :D
Yup, thats it. will try to be early tomorrow sir para marinig mo naman, since its just a 10 minute drive from our place.
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Yup, thats it. will try to be early tomorrow sir para marinig mo naman, since its just a 10 minute drive from our place.
thanks bro :D
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Sayang... kinda boss Obet pala ang session bukas... :-\ Megamall pa naman ako bukas. Enjoy nalang kayo... Kimpao, yung banana plugs ko ha... ;D
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dodonate ako ng chicharon jan-- ako na ang magdadala-- ;D
thanks bro...ako na bahala sa vinegar ;D
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sa mga members ng admin sa CDP shootout--
Dadala ba ng sariling ball pen at papel para sa judging o raising of hands na lang?
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Sayang... kinda boss Obet pala ang session bukas... :-\ Megamall pa naman ako bukas. Enjoy nalang kayo... Kimpao, yung banana plugs ko ha... ;D
nasa kotse lang nakalagay, pre!.
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Let's decide on the itinerary of the program tomorrow before the competition. Whatever we post here as suggestion, Im sure may mga last minute changes pa din. So tomorrow na lang natin i-finalize.
Just remember, from IC to Amp to Speaker Cable, to Speakers dapat fix. Iisa lang.
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Akyat,
Sir ikaw ang idol ko sa ...... secret hehehehe.. amp ko amp ko amp ko hehehehe miss ko na rin..
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Sir Narayan, may important family matter to attend to ako sa umaga and lunch, ihabol ko nalang, bka makarating ako mg 3:30 or 4pm na, so yung bracketing ng player ko kung pwede i-huli nalang, thanks. cya guys tomorrow
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this is the day!
goodluck at most specially: Enjoy!!! pictures ha! :)
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goodluck guys!
enjoy your day. :)
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Sorry guys, I didnt make it, darn thing......
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guys...i'm sure you're enjoying already...don't forget to post the pics... 8)
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seryoso ah! 8)
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john (murcielago),
sent u PM :)
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nice!! :D results? any highlights??
who won?
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hi, tanong ko lang baka may naka uwi nung cd ni (john)murcielago, yung chesky na demo disc paki pm na lang sa kanya. Thanks !! :) :)
Nice meeting everyone at the cdp shootout !! ;D ;D ;D
ganda ng rotel ni sir murcielago :P :P
ganda din ng exposure na cdp !! :P :P
Thank you sir Narayan for the hospitality!! ;D ;D
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To the host, Narayan, thanks so much sir for your hospitality.
To Audioslave, thanks for letting me ride along.
To Kimpao, thanks for the blank CD... ;D
To all the guys at the CDP shootout, thanks for the learning experience and the camaraderie, and most specially thanks for sharing your audio gears and letting us experience audio heaven. Enjoyed meeting you all.
I was shown the light and nagkaron na rin ako ng idea for my CDP upgrade. hehehe. ;D
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sir Narayan,
thanks for the accomodation and the foods... ;D ;D
BGA,
no worries pre, nasaken yung Chesky UDD ni murcielago. ;)
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nice!! :D results? any highlights??
who won?
it's unanimous... Exposure 2010 was the clear choice. :o
iceman, ihanda mo na si Consonance... ;D ;D
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Ang GALING!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o Ang GANDA!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o PANALO yung
AMX EL-34 at Amperex "Bugle Boy" 12au7!!!!!
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Bwahahahaha!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Anyway, here's my list in order of preference for the top 3 cdps (impressions ko lang ito ha mga bosing, nothing to be taken seriously for the others i didn't choose ;)).
1. Exposure 2010
2. Rotel RCD-1070
3. Sony 337 ESD and Denon 1015 (tie para sa akin yung dalawa)
But seriously everything boiled down to ones own preference. To think of it, ::) panalo din lahat nung cdps.
Sa mga dumating at dumalo,
nice meeting you all guys!!!! Masaya kahapon!
Sa host,
maraming salamat sir obet. sa susunod magbabaon na ako ng tupperware. ;D ;D ;D dami food!!!! :D
Kuya Hans, Akyat, Wanderlust, Punk_Kid, JojoD
Punta tayo ng Pier baka may mga surplus na Exposure 2010 dun. ;D ;D ;D ;D Ahihihihi
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sir kimpao, thanks for the blank cds ! ;D ;D
tama si kimpao panalo yung amx na amp ni hans !!! yung bugle boy, gainclone, ganda ng tunog !!! :P :P :P >:D
see you sa pier ;D ;D ;D
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sir kimpao, thanks for the blank cds ! ;D ;D
see you sa pier ;D ;D ;D
walang anu man sir, ok lang yung! :)
PANALO yung cdp mo, sir! Nakaka-iyak, "best buy"-"bang for the buck"!
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thanks !!! ;D ;D
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Anyway, here's my list in order of preference for the top 3 cdps (impressions ko lang ito ha mga bosing, nothing to be taken seriously for the others i didn't choose ).
1. Exposure 2010
2. Rotel RCD-1070
3. Sony 337 ESD and Denon 1015 (tie para sa akin yung dalawa)
sir kimpao,
malaki ba dif. ng 3? >:D :P
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Thanks to our gracious host - Sir Obet, for having the bunch of us 'til way past dinner time. It was very nice meeting all of you guys and if there is one thing I've learned from this event, it is this - tubed amplification is the way to go! Panalo yung tubed amp ni Hans at yung mga tubed preamps:).
BTW, I thought Rony's Exposure was the clear reference CDP of this shootout. It resolved the details, was the most balanced in its presentation, and had me tapping my foot the hardest (to audioslave's James Bobchak CD). The surplus Sony ESD of BGA VI was a giant killer (literally too, it weighs in at 27 lbs.). Amazing SQ for the purchase price. Magandi din yung Usher ni Jun. Hindi pa fully broken-in pero its already right up there.
BGA V1, thanks for finding my CD and Atty, I've sent you a PM.
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to all the audionuts who braved yeaterday's thunderstorm and made it to the event-it was my pleasure having you as guests ;)
to all those who were not able to make it-there's always a next time...we missed you though :D
as to the entries, to me its a toss-up between the rotel 1070 and the exposure(not because i also use a rotel player ;D)...the surplus sony is a revelation...excellent choice if you are looking for a spare player :D
btw, sino sa inyo ang nakaiwan ng power cord? kainis, walang kakabit na tube amp ung power cord ;D
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mga bossing sino yung 2 sa kanan? kilala ko yung preamp ni Akyat tsaka AMX ni Hans...
salamat!
- iceman (naiingit)
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hi, yung tono kay odyopayl, yung next kay rstube2003. :)
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malaki ba dif. ng 3? >:D :P
Para sa akin, ga-buhok lang, sir. ;D ;D ;D
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mga bossing sino yung 2 sa kanan? kilala ko yung preamp ni Akyat tsaka AMX ni Hans...
salamat!
- iceman (naiingit)
kay odyopayl yung tono, iceman. kinabitan niya lang ng aluminum face plate (ang ganda, pre. 3/8" an aluminum sheet tapos computer cut ang linis tingnan parang antique sound lab na face plate) at tube guards sa gilid. Yung isa naman kay rstube2003 DIY, panalo din sir! :D :D :D
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Tono Preamp yun? ang pogi ah!
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sir obet sa kin yong power cord sadya ko na iniwan kasi medyo umulan at malayo pa ko nag park. me spare pa naman ako dito so okey lang. thank you sir sa place at sa time na ina lot ninyo para sa grupo.
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hi, galing lang ko sa pier kanina, meron dun isa na Sony 228 esd cdp, newer model than sa akin by one year, asking 2300k. dun sa first bldg yung maraming tv. Happy hunting !! ;D ;D
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hi, galing lang ko sa pier kanina, meron dun isa na Sony 228 esd cdp, newer model than sa akin by one year, asking 2300k. dun sa first bldg yung maraming tv. Happy hunting !! ;D ;D
please reserve the unit for me. ;D ;D ;D
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Anyway, here's my list in order of preference for the top 3 cdps (impressions ko lang ito ha mga bosing, nothing to be taken seriously for the others i didn't choose ).
1. Exposure 2010
2. Rotel RCD-1070
3. Sony 337 ESD and Denon 1015 (tie para sa akin yung dalawa)
i think it was the Sony 337ESD that first installed the TDA 1541 DAC chip in Japan in late '80s and therefore, it should perform well. that chip, made by Philips if i'm not mistaken, was the favorite for early European high-end CD machines. i've read somewhere Sony installed two of these chips in the 337 instead of just one. amusing, since this model was retailed surplus from P1,000 to P1,500 here in Davao last year. i had heard one and it was good. when i read about its DAC chip folly, i went back to the shop where i saw it but it was gone. i'll go hunting these next few days.
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Drawing talaga ako. Di ako nakapunta. sayang iyong comparison between HK DVD 22 and SONY ES DVD Player ni Philander. Bigla Overtime on a Saturday kaya di ako nkpunta.
Guys, thanks for posting iyong results. Mukha madami nnman pupunta sa pier to look for this SONY ESD CDP.
I think if I will have this player it will totally match sa SONY ES amp ko.
Doon sa owner ng exposure - how much does this unit cost? I understand this is not a surplus, right?
Rotel raised its flag on the competition.
Peace bro.
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Thanks for the feedback guys. Im sure you have enjoyed the day. I was planning to replace my sony 337 ESD cdp but now I changed my mind :), unless I will have funds for an exposure 2010, ;D ;D. For now, Ill keep my sony cdp. luxman itegrated amp and ws tono pre amp combo.
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Guys,
advice lang doon sa mag-hunt ng killer SONY CDP sa pier. Don't show to the dealers your eagerness to buy. Baka mag overpricing. And hope nobody tells to the dealers at PIER about the resut of the CDP shootout.
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hi, galing lang ko sa pier kanina, meron dun isa na Sony 228 esd cdp, newer model than sa akin by one year, asking 2300k. dun sa first bldg yung maraming tv. Happy hunting !! ;D ;D
BGA,
mas newer model pa ang 227? ganoon ba yon! >:D
isak0411
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Nice experience iba talaga ang tube tumunog, sayang pauwi na kasi ako bitin tuloy. Sir Hans ganda ng Tube Amp mo, Sir Kim wala ba kapatid 12au7 (Amperex) mo? Ganda ng Exposure at Rotel 1070, the best talaga. To all the guys sa shoot-out nice meeting you mga sirs. Sir narayan champion ang SS set-up nyo, salamat po sa accomodation at sa food. Sayang di natin narinig mga DVD players.
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Sir Kim, sayang marami di naka-experience ng speakers wire mo, I think me and Murcielago lang ang naka-witness sa mga guess including our host Narayan. Sir pa, PM naman once available na yung wire. Thanks
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kim,
araw araw ko papasyalan ung pier para mag hunt ng surplus na exposure ;D ;D ;D
nels76,
set ka na lang ng dvd shoot out ;D
Sir Obet,
salamat salamat salamat salamat salamat salamat!
sa lahat ng pumunta sa Independence Day CD Shoot Out, nice meeting you all guys. para sakin walang natalo sa shoot out, lahat good performers pero sympre my preference din ako ;D
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guys...any additional pictures??? sayang, i missed the fun...went straight to davao, took the last flight out of manila...anyway, hope we can sked another one...iceman, mukhang it's the exposure 2010...yan ang kalaban ng consonance...pero sige try na lang natin yung CDP ko pag meron na, hehehehe! 8)
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kim,
araw araw ko papasyalan ung pier para mag hunt ng surplus na exposure ;D ;D ;D
Ahahahahaha!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D Pre, baka may maligaw din na cayin o jolida dun. ;D
Doon sa owner ng exposure - how much does this unit cost? I understand this is not a surplus, right?
Rotel raised its flag on the competition.
Peace bro.
Pre, 40K plus yang tinitingnan. Ahihihi. dami ka naman ata moolah, eh. Sir ganda yung rotel, napapa-isip tuloy akong mag-upgrade to 1072, eh. >:D
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Guys,
congrats to all the participants daming cdp daming maganda pero overall syempre meron isa winner... 2010 parin ako... sama ko Denon 1015 ko... SonyES killer ito ..
Nice meeting pala to everybody present..
murcielago, odyopayl, & kimpao sir thanks at nagustohan nyo AMX amp ko.. hehehe
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Don Kimpao,
Ndi ako bibili dre. natanong ko lang. It is amazing how a surplus CDP made it to the competition. Kung no doubt lang ang reliability ng Surplus CDP. marami talaga kukuha nito.
Ayan, mag-upgrade nnman si Don Kimpao. Don talaga. O0
Hans,
Thanks sa feedback through text.
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Nels,
Notice iba talaga pagmaganda cdp mo... ingit ako... huhuhuh
Narayan,
Sir maraming salamat po.. for the warm accomodation!! ;D ;D sir ayos yun MS914 mo sa tube bili na... >:D >:D
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guys,
Sino kaya nagka SARS?? >:D >:D ;D ;D
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Sir isako411,
yung 228, 1988 model yun.
yung sa atin 1987.
sir hans, ako yata may sars, panay punta ko sa WS na site, pero di pa grabe ;D ;D
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Kumusta ang NAD 542?
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And how's the MS 914? heheheh
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hans...stand-out ang amp mo...CONGRATS!
god bless! 8)
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Kumusta ang NAD 542?
I would not be the person who can rate this CDP impartially bro and you can just ask the others who were present. Since i've already heard a lot from the C542, ranging from a variety of genre like jazz, rock, vocals, new age, acoustics and classical music, i would say that this is a balanced performer and an all-rounder CDP though it doesn't have what it takes to outshine the Exposure 2010 at any given time or condition. The Exposure simply stamped its class by being the CDP with a balanced presentation of all the instruments being played in a particular track. The obvious reason for this is that it is the only player equipped with a Burr-Brown 24-bit/96kHz Delta Sigma DAC which the other players in the shoot out simply doesn't have in their internal circuitry and so we should only expect a superb performance from this player if compared side by side with those players pitted against it.
Sad to say, the shoot out was not comprehensive enough to totally gauge the over-all performance of a player inasmuch as the type of music played were only vocals, acoustics and jazz. It would have been desirable if we have put on some fast beat music like rock, bass heavy rap, orchestral renditions of classical music or those music played by big bands where the presence, transparency and impact of each musical instrument can be discerned thereby allowing us to judge the players' capabilities.
As to who excelled in the shoot out, my hands down choice would be no other than the Exposure 2010. For my choice of the runners up and their rankings from the top, i'll just keep it to myself on fears that i might unnecessarily invite the ire of others.
Just like all of you would have been clamoring for right now, I'm looking forward to a shoot out match of the Exposure 2010 with any of the tubed CD Players like the Consonance Reference of Iceman or either the Cayin or Jolida of Superman (alin ba dito ang balak mo, sir?) he he he
;D ;)
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As to who excelled in the shoot out, my hands down choice would be no other than the Exposure 2010. For my choice of the runners up and their rankings from the top, i'll just keep it to myself on fears that i might unnecessarily invite the ire of others.
;D ;)
Sir hindi naman siguro, sir. :D :D
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among all that was present i was the first to go, at that was past 5:30pm... we started at around 2:30, and by the time i went home, all others wasnt even thinking of going home yet, so you see, how we all enjoyed the shoot-out, sayang tlga to those who werent able to make it there.
i agree with everyone else's who was there, its the 2010 that stand out among the rest.... well actually even as to the price, the 2010 stands out, hehehe.
but i do take cognizance of sir BGA's sony and hans denon, stand out performers as well considering they are all surpluses..... makes me wanna bite the dust and join the surplus cpd bandwagon.
thank you's goes to the host, sir narayan, salamat po sa paghatid sakin palabas and sa food;
kay ka roger for letting us hitch a ride in going to the venue kahit naligaw... hehehe;
kay rstube, sir yong belden ko ha....;
and to all others that were there, nice meeting you all!!! sa uulitin mga sir!
salamat din pala kay don kimpao and sir hans, salamat sa tulong nyong lumala sars ko!!!! ahihihihi, "magtubes na kasi tayong lahat, para d lang ako..."
fisshhhhhhhhhhhhhh tayo...... O0
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how was the shootout conducted? blind fold test ba?
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Sir Narayan,
Tnx for the warm welcome!
Guys, dahil sa shootout, tinago ko na discman ko... old Samsung vcd player na lang ginamit ko and mas maganda nga talaga!
For me, the shootout was an eye opener.
Thanks!
JojoD
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mga bossing sino yung 2 sa kanan? kilala ko yung preamp ni Akyat tsaka AMX ni Hans...
salamat!
- iceman (naiingit)
sorry po medyo OT.... bet you didn't recognize the WS tono.
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/tono6.jpg)
i've always wanted to have gear that's standing on its side.
sir jojoD, can you fit my hybrid gainclone in this chassis?
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/tono7.jpg)
i wanted to but didn't get the chance to take a pic of rstube's DIY copper/gold preamp with kamagong side panels but it was also beautiful.
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For me, the shootout was an eye opener.
Thanks!
JojoD
O nga pre eye and ear opener nga.... i'm now thinking of upgrading the opamps of my CDP, saan ba nakakabili at magkano ba op amps na AD826 or AD8066 as an upgrade replacement of the NAD C542's stock OP2134?
;D :)
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sorry po medyo OT.... bet you didn't recognize the WS tono.
i've always wanted to have gear that's standing on its side.
sir jojoD, can you fit my hybrid gainclone in this chassis?
i wanted to but didn't get the chance to take a pic of rstube's DIY copper/gold preamp with kamagong side panels but it was also beautiful.
Nice picture sir ang galing ng shot, if this for sale malamang nabili na ito hehehe
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OT pero ang galing talagang photographer si ka Roger. gaganda ng mga kuha mo sir. pwedeng pwede mo na palitan si tryaudio sa trabaho nya... he he he
:o ;D
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professional takes talaga! and mind you my stand pang gamit yan ha to insure stability!
sir pwedeng mag pa potraiture sayo?
hehehe fisssshhhhh tayo sir.
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Sino nga pala ibang di nakarating na entries besides mine?
Did the following entries made it? How was their performance?
Levi's nakamichi?
The Pioneer?
The Usher?
I know Panasonic entry did not make it.
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O nga pre eye and ear opener nga.... i'm now thinking of upgrading the opamps of my CDP, saan ba nakakabili at magkano ba op amps na AD826 or AD8066 as an upgrade replacement of the NAD C542's stock OP2134?
;D :)
Sir if you will upgrade for an OP Amp I suggest AD8066 i've already read a review: if your stock opamp is BB OP2134 to Analog Device (AD8066) the difference is night and day. We're using the same opamp. I am also looking for AD8066 which is already attached to adaptor for a tru hole (AD8066 is surface mount device pkg.)
Anybody?
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Sino nga pala ibang di nakarating na entries besides mine?
Did the following entries made it? How was their performance?
Levi's nakamichi?
The Pioneer?
The Usher?
I know Panasonic entry did not make it.
Any comment on the USHER?
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Akyat,
I can fit your gainclone in such an enclosure, walang imposible sa DIY.
Guys,
I have always admired akyat's photography skills, how I wish I have them! (Akyat's skills)
As for the cd players, saludo ako sa mga nagdala. Ang gaganda talaga.
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I don't have audiophile ears but I did distinguish some obvious differences with the various CDP's. The conditions were less than ideal for a thorough apple to apple comparison (we were switching from one preamp to the next when we began using the tubed amp and I became keen of listening for differences). And like audioslave, I would have preferred faster and more complicated music to test the mettle of each player.
At the risk of "inviting the ire" of some CDP owners, here are some of my impressions:
1. Earlier on, using the SS amps of our host with the Denon, the Exposure, and the Usher on line, I could perceive a widening of the soundstage everytime we switched from the Denon to either the Usher or Exposure (and a narrowing of the soundstage kung vice versa). Sa first notes palang ng song halata mo na. Parang the Exposure had a slightly wider soundstage than the Usher but the latter had more "bloom". The Exposure resolved the the details better and mas "madiin" yung bass compared to the Usher. The highs were more defined with the Exposure compared to the Usher.
2. Using the same SS amps this time with the Sony ESD, the Rotel 1070, and the older Rotel of our host and later on the NAD 542, I wasn't too keenly listening at this stage but I did note the following: the Sony was surprisingly good, its bass was strong and taut, the 1070 played the loudest - you have to lower the volume a bit when you switch to the 1070 as if malakas yung kanyang gain, I couldn't distinguish between the 1070 and the other Rotel although those who listened keenly said the 1070 had more details. The 542, like the Denon had a narrower soundstage compared to the Rotels and the Sony but but wasn't too far behind overall.
3. Using the AMX 30-wpc EL-34 amp and various preamps with the Exposure, the 1070, and the Sony and this time playing audioslave's fast and catchy Sundance Flamenco CD, the Exposure really shined with its balanced and detailed presentation which made it very musical and involving, the 1070 matched the Exposure in revealing the details but had more emphasis on the highs and lows which somewhat drowned some of the finer details, the Sony didn't match the Exposure's and 1070's detail resolving capability but it was very well balanced too. The 1070 had a big sound that grabs at you. In comparison, the Exposure is more laid back with greater focus on the position of the singer and instruments.
There were other combinations that I didn't listen to and hopefully the others can comment on these for the information of everyone. Afterall, this is what we're after with shootouts di ba? At all shootouts may winners and losers but another day using other amplifiers and cables (we were using P 25,000 XLO speaker cables BTW), the results can very well be different. And this is just one man's opinion.
Special mention to sir Obet's MS-914's nga pala. Maganda tumunog specially with the tubed amp.
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I would not be the person who can rate this CDP impartially bro and you can just ask the others who were present. Since i've already heard a lot from the C542, ranging from a variety of genre like jazz, rock, vocals, new age, acoustics and classical music, i would say that this is a balanced performer and an all-rounder CDP though it doesn't have what it takes to outshine the Exposure 2010 at any given time or condition. The Exposure simply stamped its class by being the CDP with a balanced presentation of all the instruments being played in a particular track. The obvious reason for this is that it is the only player equipped with a Burr-Brown 24-bit/96kHz Delta Sigma DAC which the other players in the shoot out simply doesn't have in their internal circuitry and so we should only expect a superb performance from this player if compared side by side with those players pitted against it.
Sad to say, the shoot out was not comprehensive enough to totally gauge the over-all performance of a player inasmuch as the type of music played were only vocals, acoustics and jazz. It would have been desirable if we have put on some fast beat music like rock, bass heavy rap, orchestral renditions of classical music or those music played by big bands where the presence, transparency and impact of each musical instrument can be discerned thereby allowing us to judge the players' capabilities.
As to who excelled in the shoot out, my hands down choice would be no other than the Exposure 2010. For my choice of the runners up and their rankings from the top, i'll just keep it to myself on fears that i might unnecessarily invite the ire of others.
Just like all of you would have been clamoring for right now, I'm looking forward to a shoot out match of the Exposure 2010 with any of the tubed CD Players like the Consonance Reference of Iceman or either the Cayin or Jolida of Superman (alin ba dito ang balak mo, sir?) he he he
;D ;)
Thanks for this.
But I think its okay to have preference and something, nobody cant take thay away, we have different ears. As we know, sound quality is very subjective.
Actually, I am more inclined to know the performance of suplus to mid-end CD players, to help me justify not to buy the expensive/high end CD players.
But according to some findings here, to me the surplus CDPs are the real winners. Just me.
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i was able to listen to the denon being pitted with the exposure (tapang ni hans e, saludo ako! and take note nauna pa pinatugtog denon nya ha :o), playing chesky's test cd, and although the difference was quite obvious, it wasnt that high. and when you come to think of the price difference (the exposure i heard cost 45,000.00, while hans denon cost 4,500.00, ga 0 lang difference ano! ::) hehehe) i wouldnt think twice in getting the denon without blinking an eye (yong sukli bili ko na lang ng tubes, >:D ayos!)
then there was BGA's sony competing with the usher, again there were obvious differences but then again the sony will cost you only 2.2k (AM I RIGHT SIR BGA?) and the usher cost around 19k, ga tubes pa rin difference, i say. ^-^
O0
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i was able to listen to the denon being pitted with the exposure (tapang ni hans e, saludo ako! and take note nauna pa pinatugtog denon nya ha :o), playing chesky's test cd, and although the difference was quite obvious, it wasnt that high. and when you come to think of the price difference (the exposure i heard cost 45,000.00, while hans denon cost 4,500.00, ga 0 lang difference ano! ::) hehehe) i wouldnt think twice in getting the denon without blinking an eye (yong sukli bili ko na lang ng tubes, >:D ayos!)
then there was BGA's sony competing with the usher, again there were obvious differences but then again the sony will cost you only 2.2k (AM I RIGHT SIR BGA?) and the usher cost around 19k, ga tubes pa rin difference, i say. ^-^
O0
I agree sir, the cost of the comparison can't justify the difference in sounds quality. It's true a Php2.2k CD player surplus plays fine compared to 19k to 45K players. As Sir Kim says the small difference yun yung binibili natin hehehe. Overall in terms of economy and sounds winner ang mga surplus, it's a matter of preferences diba
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guys, any comments on how the winning CDP's could sound so good?
was it because of the DAC or the opamps used? i was wondering if i could get my DVP or CDP tweaked to sound like those.
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guys, any comments on how the winning CDP's could sound so good?
was it because of the DAC or the opamps used? i was wondering if i could get my DVP or CDP tweaked to sound like those.
papalitan mo yung opamp, clock and PS caps/power supply...total cost will be the same as buying an expensive cd player hehe :)
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papalitan mo yung opamp, clock and PS caps/power supply...total cost will be the same as buying an expensive cd player hehe :)
yikes... pwede kaya opamp lang ang palitan? i read somewhere that one of the cheapest (and best) tweaks costs nothing -- just remove the muting transistors w/c degrade the sound of inexpensive CDPs... an article i saw suggests that manufacturers use relays in high-end CDPs and bipolar transistors in cheap CDPs to give their high-end units a better edge, but that having none at all is better than using a transistor for muting, except when you remove it you will hear a thump whenever you turn the unit on/off.
found this on the net.... a guy built a tube circuit to enhance his NAD cd player (search "CD Enhancer III").... now the NAD looks like a tube amp. ;D
(http://www.ultranalog.com/cdenhancer/cdenhancer3/on_rack.jpg)
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i was able to listen to the denon being pitted with the exposure (tapang ni hans e, saludo ako! and take note nauna pa pinatugtog denon nya ha :o), playing chesky's test cd, and although the difference was quite obvious, it wasnt that high. and when you come to think of the price difference (the exposure i heard cost 45,000.00, while hans denon cost 4,500.00, ga 0 lang difference ano! ::) hehehe) i wouldnt think twice in getting the denon without blinking an eye (yong sukli bili ko na lang ng tubes, >:D ayos!)
then there was BGA's sony competing with the usher, again there were obvious differences but then again the sony will cost you only 2.2k (AM I RIGHT SIR BGA?) and the usher cost around 19k, ga tubes pa rin difference, i say. ^-^
O0
Pre nakataon lang na exposure agad ang ka-pair nya pero oks lang.. ;D ;D kinabahan din ako dun hehehe.. for me hanap ko yun natural sounding agree with the guys na there are cd player give emphasis on bass, high, & mid pero mas type ko yun walang dagdag... :D :D
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hans...stand-out ang amp mo...CONGRATS!
god bless! 8)
Sir thanks buti nga at di napahiya AMX amp ko... at least to those new to tube have auditioned/heard tube for the first/second time eh na convinced sana?? ;D..
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May For Sale na NAD C542 sa Buy & Sell Thread ???
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sir hans, ako yata may sars, panay punta ko sa WS na site, pero di pa grabe ;D ;D
Sir good luck sa new venture mo sa tubes.. hehehehe >:D
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May For Sale na NAD C542 sa Buy & Sell Thread ???
is this because of the shootout?
i hope not.
may denon pa nga eh!
mahal na siguro market value ng sony es?
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is this because of the shootout?
i hope not.
may denon pa nga eh!
mahal na siguro market value ng sony es?
OO nga sir.. kilala ko yun owner ng Denon.. ;D ;D
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I don't have audiophile ears but I did distinguish some obvious differences with the various CDP's.
At the risk of "inviting the ire" of some CDP owners, here are some of my impressions:
Murcielago this is nice review. BTW, sound is based on ears of the beholder, you don't need to be an audiophile (like me odyopayl hehehe) to know how to listen, its your preferences. What is good for me might not good for the others, i believe happy ka sa player mo. Goodluck sa Tube Amp Hunting mo Sir.
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Murcielago Goodluck sa Tube Amp Hunting mo Sir.
Sir na SARS ka ba??? ganda nun rotel 1070 match sa tubes. >:D >:D
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bro. akyat...this looks very interesting...thanks for this...
(http://www.ultranalog.com/cdenhancer/cdenhancer3/nadc541_cdenhancer3_s.jpg)
hey guys, for those with NAD 502, 505 or even the newer ones like the 540, 541i and the 542 CDPs, itago niyo na...with this tweak, i'm sure matutuwa kayo...
read on:
http://www.ultranalog.com/cdenhancer/cdenhancer3/
here's the schematic diagram:
http://www.ultranalog.com/cdenhancer/cdenhancer3/cdenhancer3_5687.pdf
http://www.ultranalog.com/data/pcm1732.pdf
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Odyopayl,
Pre no problem schedule natin... usually weekend pwede kasi wla ako sa house.. :D :D
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is this because of the shootout?
i hope not.
may denon pa nga eh!
mahal na siguro market value ng sony es?
OT
rush sale sony 227es cdp 15k firm (surplus tol!) hehehehehe ;D >:D O0
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OT
rush sale sony 227es cdp 15k firm (surplas tol!) hehehehehe ;D >:D O0
fafa Isak,
Pwede gives............
yun pai-yakan?? hehehehe ;D ;D
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fafa Isak,
Pwede gives............
yun pai-yakan?? hehehehe ;D ;D
sori d pwede hot item 2 eh sori ha!
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Sir na SARS ka ba??? ganda nun rotel 1070 match sa tubes. >:D >:D
(http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v41/kimpao/st70big.jpg)
Mas match yan 1070 dito. Ahehehehehehehe >:D >:D >:D
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sir obet maganda 914 sa tubes sana bili na rin kayo. murci pasyal ko sa inyo paki pm nalang address.
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Kimpao,
DELICIOUS!!!
Mas match yan 1070 dito. Ahehehehehehehe >:D >:D >:D
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Ang sarap mo'ng kainin!!!! >:D >:D >:D
Mas match yan 1070 dito. Ahehehehehehehe >:D >:D >:D
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Sino nga pala ibang di nakarating na entries besides mine?
Did the following entries made it? How was their performance?
Levi's nakamichi?
The Pioneer?
The Usher?
I know Panasonic entry did not make it.
Wasn't able to attend the shootout. Sayang. Was looking forward to this event. Anyway, there is always a next time. Probably dun sa next event na surplus cdp vs. dvd.
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at least to those new to tube have auditioned/heard tube for the first/second time eh na convinced sana?? ;D..
Master, kumbinsido na! Ang daming nagka-SARS nung inilabas mo yung TUBO mo :o. ;D
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OT
rush sale sony 227es cdp 15k firm (surplus tol!) hehehehehe ;D >:D O0
palitan ko ng isang autumn in seattle na LP. pwede na?
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Odyopayl,
Pre no problem schedule natin... usually weekend pwede kasi wla ako sa house.. :D :D
Hans,
Pagnasubukan ko amp mo malamang tuloytuloy na ito. Sir hindi SARS ito turning tube from SS hehehe
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Hans,
Pagnasubukan ko amp mo malamang tuloytuloy na ito. Sir hindi SARS ito turning tube from SS hehehe
Pre talagang ganyan denial muna... SARS pa rin yan sir >:D >:D >:D
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Master, kumbinsido na! Ang daming nagka-SARS nung inilabas mo yung TUBO mo :o. ;D
SenYOR kimpao,
Talaga!! we shall see kung sino new convert's... >:D >:D >:D O0 O0
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ung mga seryosong nakinig sa tubo ni hans ang naging SARS victim (na hypnotize ata ;D)
Master, kumbinsido na! Ang daming nagka-SARS nung inilabas mo yung TUBO mo :o. ;D
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Honestly during the CD shootout, kanya-kanya pa, somebody kumakain, another group yosi sa labas and the few one na nakikinig talaga hehehe but during the tube set-up everybody is listening, may mga time na total silence. Iba talaga TUBE...........! SARS kahit ano decided na ako sa tube hehehe....Sir Hans nakakahawa yang Amp mo kung bakit kai hinintay ko pa tumonog.....
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odyopayl,
d mo na nga nakilala tunog ng preamp mo sa ganda ng tubong nilagay ni kimpao ;D ;D ;D
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odyopayl: welcome future member of the tribe hehehe ;D
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odyopayl,
Sir Congrats in advance!! >:D >:D
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odyopayl,
d mo na nga nakilala tunog ng preamp mo sa ganda ng tubong nilagay ni kimpao ;D ;D ;D
Isa pa yan sir......kinukulit ko na pinsan ko na maghanap ng amperex hehehe saan ba marami nyan?
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Sir lalo na nun na paired sa Exposure yun tubes....... hay!!! :-[ :-[ :-[
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From the photo of those who were at the CD shootout, I'd say the age profile of audio enthusiasts in Manila has gone down. Back in the mid-80s when I was new into this hobby and tried weekend home audio trade as sideline, the majority of the guys who would visit me were old, mostly in their '50s, including a lot of retirees. Sila yung may pera to buy expensive gears: doctors, lawyers, exporters, company executives, and they arrived at our house in Diliman in their flashy cars to take a look at what I was selling. May matrona pa!
Notwithstanding the irony offered by those surplus equipment, I'm sure the rich kids and the flashy cars are still there, at nakakainggit kayo since I'm now based in Davao at hindi ako kasing yaman ninyo. Anyway, I read somewhere here you used a test CD from Chesky which is more jazz music and vocals? I think the right software used should be Chesky's Ultimate Demonstration Disc (UDD) which audiophile groups in the US apply as standard during shootouts. This is because it has the parameters required - explanations and sample music - to appraise an equipment and an audio system.
Someone there could lend you a copy of that disc for a shootout. If you can't find one and you need it, I can make it available online. I'll apply some safety measures since this is a borderline case, but I need to know if you guys are interested. There'd be some degradation but at least it would be available free-to-burn.
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Isa pa yan sir......kinukulit ko na pinsan ko na maghanap ng amperex hehehe saan ba marami nyan?
hahahaha........ grabe tama ng SARS sayo bro, nanugnuglit ka na ng pinsan para magkaruon ng buggle boy. :D
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From the photo of those who were at the CD shootout, I'd say the age profile of audio enthusiasts in Manila has gone down. Back in the mid-80s when I was new into this hobby and tried weekend home audio trade as sideline, the majority of the guys who would visit me were old, mostly in their '50s, including a lot of retirees. Sila yung may pera to buy expensive gears: doctors, lawyers, exporters, company executives, and they arrived at our house in Diliman in their flashy cars to take a look at what I was selling. May matrona pa!
Notwithstanding the irony offered by those surplus equipment, I'm sure the rich kids and the flashy cars are still there, at nakakainggit kayo since I'm now based in Davao at hindi ako kasing yaman ninyo. Anyway, I read somewhere here you used a test CD from Chesky which is more jazz music and vocals? I think the right software used should be Chesky's Ultimate Demonstration Disc (UDD) which audiophile groups in the US apply as standard during shootouts. This is because it has the parameters required - explanations and sample music - to appraise an equipment and an audio system.
Agree ;D ;D ;D
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From the photo of those who were at the CD shootout, I'd say the age profile of audio enthusiasts in Manila has gone down. Back in the mid-80s when I was new into this hobby and tried weekend home audio trade as sideline, the majority of the guys who would visit me were old, mostly in their '50s, including a lot of retirees. Sila yung may pera to buy expensive gears: doctors, lawyers, exporters, company executives, and they arrived at our house in Diliman in their flashy cars to take a look at what I was selling. May matrona pa!
Notwithstanding the irony offered by those surplus equipment, I'm sure the rich kids and the flashy cars are still there, at nakakainggit kayo since I'm now based in Davao at hindi ako kasing yaman ninyo. Anyway, I read somewhere here you used a test CD from Chesky which is more jazz music and vocals? I think the right software used should be Chesky's Ultimate Demonstration Disc (UDD) which audiophile groups in the US apply as standard during shootouts. This is because it has the parameters required - explanations and sample music - to appraise an equipment and an audio system.
Someone there could lend you a copy of that disc for a shootout. If you can't find one and you need it, I can make it available online. I'll apply some safety measures since this is a borderline case, but I need to know if you guys are interested. There'd be some degradation but at least it would be available free-to-burn.
Thanks for your help we really appreciate it, hope we can meet you and join us here in Manila. Actually the best experience during this kind of sessions are the people around you who understand your interest, people who are really like you, sharing the same appreciation with Music. Friendship and Learing thru somebodys experiences.
BTW, we are using the your recommended Chesky Ultimate Demonstration Disk (UDD) (this is really fantastic) we have two (2) original copies during the CD shoot-out. Thanks for your concern and interest Sir!
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odyopayl,
Tube na ba? Hhmmm........ Yan ang mahirap sa session eh!!!! >:D >:D >:D
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Tagal na akong may SARS sa tube amp guys. Wala lang ma-appropriate na budget pa. But I'm definitely going for valved gear soon :D. The only question now is which tubed amp (and preamp to buy). Sir rony, sent you a PM.
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Thanks for your help we really appreciate it, hope we can meet you and join us here in Manila. Actually the best experience during this kind of sessions are the people around you who understand your interest, people who are really like you, sharing the same appreciation with Music. Friendship and Learing thru somebodys experiences.
You're right Odyopayl, and that that's what I miss here now. Kaya lang nuon puro matatanda ang mga kausap ko, hindi ako nag-enjoy. If I were in the shootout, I would have documented the process and the materials used, i.e. the CD players tested, the CDs played, the reference support electronics and speakers used, and probably the informal scores from everyone who were present. Not really for competition (although we can't avoid it when we compare things), but for fun and that would be useful for those very interested but were not able to attend that event. I'm a journalist, by the way. The documentation would include the process's limitations and comments on the character of each equipment. The Usher, for instance, needs a little more time to reach its optimum output, and let's accept it, it's a new-generation CD player built to be modified, tailor-fit to the listening preferences of the owner and not necessarily to impress others. It's something other players generally can't offer, and that should be pointed out.
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thanks audioslave! hehe haba agad ng thread na 'to! ;D
looks like the exposure is a sure favorite among the fans even on the forecasts earlier on :D
sayang i could have been there but went home in the province, i could have met you guys lalo na yung owners of tube amps hehehe malamang mahawa ako
anyways, the rotel 1072 and arcam 73 didn't make it for the independence day shootout???
it could have been a good contender, lalo na yung consonance :D
next time, sana new players like the newer rotels and arcams esp. the tube cd players i.e. opera, cayin jolida etc. for the second shootout hehe
cheers guys!
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Isa pa yan sir......kinukulit ko na pinsan ko na maghanap ng amperex hehehe saan ba marami nyan?
sa hongkong lang o singapore sir marami niyan! pwede ka naman mag-online purchase. :)
mas lalong lalala yang SARS mo pag-narinigmo sir yung dalawa kong "Precious" >:D >:D >:D
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Actually the Usher of odyopayl, broken-in or not was very impressive already. I'd be curious to know how it would sound when fully broken-in. And like you said, its built for upgrading like a PC (pull out that Geforce 3 and plug in a Geforce FX). Odyopayl, which component is this? Opamp ba?
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sa hongkong lang o singapore sir marami niyan! pwede ka naman mag-online purchase. :)
mas lalong lalala yang SARS mo pag-narinigmo sir yung dalawa kong "Precious" >:D >:D >:D
agree... yung amx ni kuya pa lang naririnig mo... mas matindi tong 2 precious na to.. :D ;)
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Mas match yan 1070 dito. Ahehehehehehehe >:D >:D >:D
Ito ata yun isa sa precious nya... na di ko kaya sa mahal ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Tagal na akong may SARS sa tube amp guys. Wala lang ma-appropriate na budget pa. But I'm definitely going for valved gear soon :D. The only question now is which tubed amp (and preamp to buy). Sir rony, sent you a PM.
Auditioning is the key sir.. so you'll can decide.. SET, & Push pull >:D >:D >:D
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OT lang
sir baka masita na tayo tubo na ang pinag-uusapan. lipat tayo sa kabilang thread. ;D
matching would also play a major role between preamp and power amp.
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next time, sana new players like the newer rotels and arcams esp. the tube cd players i.e. opera, cayin jolida etc. for the second shootout hehe
mga bro...ok na ok yang ginawa ninyong shootout. anlaking tulong sa mga kapwa audio enthusiasts yan lalo na when upgrade time comes. Nakakadiscover din ng mga undervalued gems like the Sony ES and the Denon na surplus. sana next time I can take time off from work to attend another shootout and para ma-meet ko din the people behind it. more power to you guys.
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May For Sale na NAD C542 sa Buy & Sell Thread ???
guys, i wouldn't sell mine much less even think of upgrading to a better player in the near future. initially, i was impressed with how good the Exposure was and even thought of upgrading the opamps of my NAD C542 so that it can at least approximate how the Exposure may have sounded during the shootout session last Saturday. i did heard the Rotel RCD 1070 before and was very much awed by its deeper bass. but after critically listening to my equipment at home after the shoot out, i was convinced that the NAD C542 was performing excellently with my newly acquired NAD C352 so what the heck would i upgrade it for? it would not be C542 anymore if i will change any of its internal parts. as it is, i already loved its warmth and body, its wide dynamic range, precised imaging, focused soundstage (though not wider than the 1070's) and its natural vocal and musical timbre without exaggerating the low frequency spectrum. when partnered with the NAD C352, the thump... the kick... the slam... and the punch... a solid state amp can deliver in my kind of music is definitely wanting in a tube amp. (no offense to all the tubeheads out there but we simply have our own personal preference in music). I do like tube amps too but would want it only for a second system for bedroom use.
;D ;D
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OT lang
sir baka masita na tayo tubo na ang pinag-uusapan. lipat tayo sa kabilang threads. ;D
matching would also play a major role between preamp and power amp.
In this case, pwede kaya ako makahiram nung ConTOdo :P kahit two nigths lang (Sino kaya ang me ginintuang puso ;D ;D)
Ikakabit ko sa Yamaha CDP (para di OT)
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ganda nung tweak sa nad ah, looks interesting! tahnks akyat and superman! :D
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The obvious reason for this is that it is the only player equipped with a Burr-Brown 24-bit/96kHz Delta Sigma DAC which the other players in the shoot out simply doesn't have in their internal circuitry and so we should only expect a superb performance from this player if compared side by side with those players pitted against it.
i thought the rotel-1070 cdp sports a Burr-Brown PCM 1732 DAC??
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palitan ko ng isang autumn in seattle na LP. pwede na?
cge >:D sama ko pa remote O0
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i thought the rotel-1070 cdp sports a Burr-Brown PCM 1732 DAC??
Yes, krets, the rotel uses the new Burr-Brown PCM1732 IC
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.. when partnered with the NAD C352, the thump... the kick... the slam... and the punch a solid state amp can deliver in my kind of music is definitely wanting in a tube amp. (no offense to all the tubeheads out there but we simply have our own personal preference in music). I do like tube amps too but would want it only for a second system for bedroom use.
;D ;D
Pareho tayo, Sir. There are CD players that perform excellently with solid-state amps. I need the punch more than the sweetness, but if I can have both, which SS heavyweights could offer, I'd hit both objectives. The last time I auditioned valve amps matched with non-valve CD players in Manila in February playing my own CDs to have a comparison with what I'm used to hearing at home and at the shop, I was disappointed. A lot of dynamics, the live feeling, and especially the punch, were missing. I won't tell you the shop's name or the brands of equipment used since I felt some things were sacrificed in that demo: matching of equipment, the positioning of the speakers, and the environment. But I'm looking forward in buying one of those WS gears, likely a preamp, in my next Manila visit. I'll probably experiment and hook it to XLRs of professional amps such as Altec Lansing 9444B or a Phonic MAR 3, if that's possible.
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O nga pre eye and ear opener nga.... i'm now thinking of upgrading the opamps of my CDP, saan ba nakakabili at magkano ba op amps na AD826 or AD8066 as an upgrade replacement of the NAD C542's stock OP2134?
;D :)
Sir if you will upgrade for an OP Amp I suggest AD8066 i've already read a review: if your stock opamp is BB OP2134 to Analog Device (AD8066) the difference is night and day. We're using the same opamp. I am also looking for AD8066 which is already attached to adaptor for a tru hole (AD8066 is surface mount device pkg.)
Anybody?
Those chips are available at Newark Via Access Frontiers in Makati. The ad826 is about 5 dollars each. I don't think you can buy AD8066 with the adapter unless you buy from LCAudio which is ridiculously high. But you can buy the browndog adapter at Cimmaron Technology but minimum is 5 pieces (hmmm group buy?).
But if you really want to upgrade the cdp, consider changing the capacitors to better quality and/or higher values for better regulation. Change the rectifiers to HEXFREDS. Bypass the PS caps with wima or other better quality film caps. Get the best quality cap you can get for the output capacitor. Take out the muting transistors. Install a clock. KWAK Clock 7 by Elso Kwak is freely given by Elso , just email him and ask for the schematics. I have it and I've seen it and its not hard to do and it won't cost an arm. Actually the schematics are available at DIYAUDIO as a zip file if you have the patient to search for it.
The amount I spent for upgrading mine is just P1,145 for the panasonic capacitors (I tripled the capacitance of most of the PS filter caps) and WIMA film caps. I had rectifiers (MUR860s) on hand and would've cost me P391 for 8 pieces if I bought them instead. Also got the AD826 as samples abroad (which is P5 dollar each so P560 for a pair). So a capacitor, opamp, and rectifier updgrade will cost you about P2,100 depending on which parts you use.
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The shootout truly an eye opener but just like audioslave and sandawa mention its more of matching proper gear from cable, Interconnection, even power cords play a role in our setup.. :) :) even a movement in speaker placement can change the sound..
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tanong lang mga bro, if it was a blind test would it have the same results? :)..anybody here owns a marantz cd 5400?..saw this on sale at electronic depo e..thanks
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ed, bro...how much is the marantz at elec. depot? marantz is (accoding to some websites) easy to modify and have a tube output stage...thanks! 8)
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tanong lang mga bro, if it was a blind test would it have the same results? :)..anybody here owns a marantz cd 5400?..saw this on sale at electronic depo e..thanks
Pre I doubt na same decision yan.. ;D ;D ;D
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ed, bro...how much is the marantz at elec. depot? marantz is (accoding to some websites) easy to modify and have a tube output stage...thanks! 8)
10.5k sa electronics depot. was able to audiotion it two weeks ago. pwede na for a 10k budget cd player.
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ed, bro...how much is the marantz at elec. depot? marantz is (accoding to some websites) easy to modify and have a tube output stage...thanks! 8)
(http://www.marantz.com/image/products/a_cd5400_lrg.gif)
jen, 10500pesos hmmmm then u can bring it to sir Rene for tube modification hehehehehee ;D
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Pre I doubt na same decision yan.. ;D ;D ;D
hehehehe yung 3 cguro, baka magrambulan lang o mag iba sa rating ;D
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(http://img.shopping.com/cctool/PrdImg/images/pr/177X150/00/01/42/79/91/21133713.JPG)
- The CD5400 CD player employs the latest digital-to-analogue converter and CD transport mechanism, delivering the highest musicality as well as convenient features - The Auto Music Scan (AMS) quickly finds the music on the disc and the Quick Replay enables to repeat favourite passages - It plays CD-R and CD-RW discs and displays CD-Text information such as artist name, and track titles - A choice of coaxial or optical digital outputs guarantees the best cable connection
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sir obet maganda 914 sa tubes sana bili na rin kayo.
i agree bro...just watch for future developments ika nga bro...will have to let go one of my amps just in case ::)
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Yes, krets, the rotel uses the new Burr-Brown PCM1732 IC
well, here's the latest news... Burr Brown Corp. was recently acquired by Texas Instruments in a merger of the two companies with the TI as the surviving company. just wonderin', will Wolfson Microelectronics surpass Burr Brown in the DAC chips business? quite a number of players are now sporting the newer WM chips like the Arcams and the HKs. so, if ever a need to upgrade a CDP becomes an itch, look for the newer WM chips...
:o :o ;D
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And how's the MS 914? heheheh
bro,
for the price vs performance, i can only say this: LOOK NO FURTHER ;D ;D ;D
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(http://img.shopping.com/cctool/PrdImg/images/pr/177X150/00/01/42/79/91/21133713.JPG)
- The CD5400 CD player employs the latest digital-to-analogue converter and CD transport mechanism, delivering the highest musicality as well as convenient features - The Auto Music Scan (AMS) quickly finds the music on the disc and the Quick Replay enables to repeat favourite passages - It plays CD-R and CD-RW discs and displays CD-Text information such as artist name, and track titles - A choice of coaxial or optical digital outputs guarantees the best cable connection
OK to ah... CD-Text capable na parang yung Exposure?? will definitely get this as a 2nd player and as a birthday gift to myself... he he he
i'm sure may remote control din eto? it comes in what colors?
;D :o
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here, just gold according to electronics depot, but black in uk and us.
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yes sir...remote is battery operated using motolite...colors available are neon pink, neon green, lilac, electric blue and bright yellow...
joke lang, hehehehe!...yup it has a remote...colors are black and champagne gold similar to the marantz receivers...
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yes sir...remote is battery operated using motolite...colors available are neon pink, neon green, lilac, electric blue and bright yellow...
Akala ko tuloy power cord tapos 220V yung remote. ;D ;D ;D
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may option din daw for that, kim, hehehehehe! 8) baka ma-OT na tayo... 8)
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sa hongkong lang o singapore sir marami niyan! pwede ka naman mag-online purchase. :)
mas lalong lalala yang SARS mo pag-narinigmo sir yung dalawa kong "Precious" >:D >:D >:D
Ha?????Mayroon pang dalawa....tama na! Tama na........Solve na ako sa entry level mo sir...Delikado sumama sa iyo sir baka lagi rin ako may dala ng mga precious!!! Sa susunod sir baka Attache Case na dala mo hehehe Peace Sir... I've learned a lot from you...
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odyopayl,
Tube na ba? Hhmmm........ Yan ang mahirap sa session eh!!!! >:D >:D >:D
Pangarap pa lang Sir...hehehe
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Actually the Usher of odyopayl, broken-in or not was very impressive already. I'd be curious to know how it would sound when fully broken-in. And like you said, its built for upgrading like a PC (pull out that Geforce 3 and plug in a Geforce FX). Odyopayl, which component is this? Opamp ba?
It's a 8 pins Integrated Circuit (IC ) in my usher stock is OP-amp 2134 made by Burr-brown (BB) I'm hunting for AD8066 made by Analog Device. Mine is already socketed no need for soldering once you need to upgrade it, I'm sure it's the same with your Rotel.
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i thought the rotel-1070 cdp sports a Burr-Brown PCM 1732 DAC??
USHER is using Burbrown 1732 DAC including HDCD decoder it's already 24/96 player but 3 weeks old
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Well we had a good line up of CDPs featured during the shootout and personally i find them all good sounding but only differing in some aspects—i dont have a golden ear that can detect the minutest detail and what is lacking for each of the CDPs tested. My perception is just based on what my ears dictate without knowing why?
The exposure blended superbly well with the MF amp (yun nga ba ang ginamit?) and MS 914 speakers and the 25,000.00 spkr wires. Though the gap in terms of overall sound quality is not that much, for me, next equally in line would be the NADs, Rotel and the Usher, followed by the Denon and the Sony.
Between the two NADs, i think the older one is slightly rounder on bass, though the newer NAD is better on details. The Usher and the Rotel are almost the same to my ear. If i will be asked to choose, i’ll just get the cheaper among the 3.
I also like the Sony because it has a good slam on the bass, but the denon’s execution of the vocals is also excellent.
If i have the money ill get the exposure for sure, there is not much thinking to do. but sometimes you will enjoy more if your equipment is very cheap but yet you will be able to obtain the best sound by employing other gadgets to improve it. So, the 2k sony’s performance improved when it passes through the tube preamp. Maybe if it will be partnered with a very good performing tube preamp plus good matching speakers and wires, it can sound like the exposure—haha so youll enjoy because the overall cost would not even go the level of the price of the exposure...
I also noticed the gain clone of jojo. It seemed to have fattened the sound of the voice just like what a tube preamp does. Truely, we have a lot electronics geniuses in the forum’’ Jojo keep it up—magkano ba yung gainclone mo?
What was so controversial to me is the 25,000.00 speaker wire we used. i wish we thought of a wire rolling din, to know the sonic capabilities of the wire, as compared with the generic wire like the audio pro which was preferred to be used with the gain clone of jojo...
Another observation--- the performance of the MS914 was stunning... i heard it performed when that was newly bought by Sir Narayan.. it seemed to me that his MS Bookshelf spkrs were more rounder and have a tighter bass before. So i think the break-in of his MS 914 made it well.
to all those who attended -- nice meeting you all bros.
sir Narayan, next time,, contribute na kami sa TSIBUG--
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Those chips are available at Newark Via Access Frontiers in Makati. The ad826 is about 5 dollars each. I don't think you can buy AD8066 with the adapter unless you buy from LCAudio which is ridiculously high. But you can buy the browndog adapter at Cimmaron Technology but minimum is 5 pieces (hmmm group buy?).
But if you really want to upgrade the cdp, consider changing the capacitors to better quality and/or higher values for better regulation. Change the rectifiers to HEXFREDS. Bypass the PS caps with wima or other better quality film caps. Get the best quality cap you can get for the output capacitor. Take out the muting transistors. Install a clock. KWAK Clock 7 by Elso Kwak is freely given by Elso , just email him and ask for the schematics. I have it and I've seen it and its not hard to do and it won't cost an arm. Actually the schematics are available at DIYAUDIO as a zip file if you have the patient to search for it.
The amount I spent for upgrading mine is just P1,145 for the panasonic capacitors (I tripled the capacitance of most of the PS filter caps) and WIMA film caps. I had rectifiers (MUR860s) on hand and would've cost me P391 for 8 pieces if I bought them instead. Also got the AD826 as samples abroad (which is P5 dollar each so P560 for a pair). So a capacitor, opamp, and rectifier updgrade will cost you about P2,100 depending on which parts you use.
Thanks GRAP it'a a big help for me! Hope to meet you someday to consult my player.
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sir Narayan, next time,, contribute na kami sa TSIBUG--
abaaaaahhhh, pag ganyan e sasalubungin pa kayo ni mrs sa gate namin ;D ;D ;D joke joke joke
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I have my gainclone connected to a teac c1-d, i like the sound, very natural and no hint of sibilance, the problem is the teac c1-d is picky with cd's with scratches, so i am now in a hunt of a new cd player, the rotel cd-1070 is a choice because its not picky with cds, anyone tried the cheaper (relatively speaking) rcd-02??
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i'm sure may remote control din eto? it comes in what colors?
;D :o
what a foolish question to ask.... he he he
nayari tuloy ako ni Superman at kimpao... ;D ;D
seriously bros, any new owners of this Marantz CD5400? pag mauna kayong bumili, don't forget to jot down your reviews and tell us how it is... didn't expect that this budget CDP would be CD-Text capable... quite a looker too...
:o ;D
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audioslave,
Pre excited ka lang.... pero me too interested sa Marantz sino kaya meron na nito?? review naman. ;D ;D
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will audition this cdp as soon as i get back... :D
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is this model available at their galleria branch? ma-audition nga mamaya. >:D >:D
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hans,
pre, gusto ko lang yung CD-Text nya. and as a 2nd player for bedroom use pag may STC 8 watts nako. unahin muna natin yung Marantz na yan bago yung STC.
;D
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sana matawaran pa...eh kung group buy kaya??? :D :D :P :P
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eto daw maganda:
(http://www.lefflershifi.com/Library/Products/Vincent/Graphics/vin_cds3_f_m.jpg)
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hans,
pre, gusto ko lang yung CD-Text nya. ;D
Sinasabi ko na nga ba, eh. May hang-over ka pa sa cd-text ng exposure. Ahehehehehe ;D ;D ;D Biro lang Sir! ;D
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Di nyo lang alam naka hook sa internet via wi-fi! Ahehehe... naka CDDB yun! ;D
Sinasabi ko na nga ba, eh. May hang-over ka pa sa cd-text ng exposure. Ahehehehehe ;D ;D ;D Biro lang Sir! ;D
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Five Stars pala rating ng Marantz CD5400 sa What Hi-Fi eh. Dot matrix pa display kaya maganda CD-Text nito. may Headphone output pa with volume control. may pitch control pa parang turn table. pucha, "bang for the bucks" talaga toh.... bili na kayo...
Specifications:
Frequency range : 20 - 20 kHz
Dynamic range : 105 dB
Signal-to-noise : 108 dB
Channel separation : 98 dB
Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) : 0.0063%
Mechanism : VAM1201 + DSD
Decoder : SAA7378
D/A conversion : Bitstream + CC filter
Digital filter : SAA7378
DAC : TDA1549
LPF stage : NJM4560
:o ;D
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Di nyo lang alam naka hook sa internet via wi-fi! Ahehehe... naka CDDB yun! ;D
Ano yan may built-in modem (9.8k speed) Ahehehehe! Magastos sa ISP connection yan!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Five Stars pala rating ng Marantz CD5400 sa What Hi-Fi eh. Dot matrix pa display kaya maganda CD-Text nito. may Headphone output pa with volume control. may pitch control pa parang turn table. pucha, "bang for the bucks" talaga toh.... bili na kayo...
Specifications:
Frequency range : 20 - 20 kHz
Dynamic range : 105 dB
Signal-to-noise : 108 dB
Channel separation : 98 dB
Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) : 0.0063%
Mechanism : VAM1201 + DSD
Decoder : SAA7378
D/A conversion : Bitstream + CC filter
Digital filter : SAA7378
DAC : TDA1549
LPF stage : NJM4560
:o ;D
free motolite battery with backpack din...hehehe! peace tayo bro! 8)
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eto daw maganda:
(http://www.lefflershifi.com/Library/Products/Vincent/Graphics/vin_cds3_f_m.jpg)
pangalan pa lang - maganda na eh :D
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pangalan pa lang - maganda na eh :D
sabi ko na nga ba eh, hehehe...balita ko may bago ka daw TT (OT na pala)... :D
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Hi Jonh5479,
I have my RCD02 for 3 months now and so far ok naman. I have 3 old cd's with scratches that my previous CDP(CambridgeAudio D500)and my JVC DVD player(XV-M557GD) can't read properly - either jumping tracks or stuck on one of the track, but RCD02 plays them with out a problem. I also tested it playing a burned HDCD(using Nero) and it plays perfectly.
hope this helps...
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hiram lang yun pre, hinihintay ko pa resulta ng mission mo :)
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hiram lang yun pre, hinihintay ko pa resulta ng mission mo :)
hayaan mo, babalitaan kita agad...matindi kasi talaga yung TT na yun kaya ganyan ang presyo
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sana matawaran pa...eh kung group buy kaya??? :D :D :P :P
sir sali ako dyan! hehehe! ive been scouting (and saving) for a cdp. sana may mag-audition na para ma-sentensyahan na yan kung bang for the buck nga. wala bang shop malapit lapit dito sa makati na meron yan?
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Ano yan may built-in modem (9.8k speed) Ahehehehe! Magastos sa ISP connection yan!!! ;D ;D ;D
naka-hookup sa ITunes pre.. para kahit anong lagay mong cd.. basta nasa database.. ilalagay nya pa yung album name.... ;D :D
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10.5k sa electronics depot. was able to audiotion it two weeks ago. pwede na for a 10k budget cd player.
sir krets,
how was your audition? have you tried it with CD-R? any feedback sir?
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is this model available at their galleria branch? ma-audition nga mamaya. >:D >:D
Don Kimpao, actually sa galleria branch nakita yung Marantz, maganda yan for ur upcoming bedroom set-up :)malamang makatulog ka agad..hehehehehe
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Don Kimpao, actually sa galleria branch nakita yung Marantz, maganda yan for ur upcoming bedroom set-up :)malamang makatulog ka agad..hehehehehe
Sa setup ko palang sa sala, nakaka-tulugan ko na nga eh, sa kuwarto pa. Ahehehehehe
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Ano nman toh! Meron na nman ba'ng bago si ST Kimpao?
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Ano nman toh! Meron na nman ba'ng bago si ST Kimpao?
Pre, nakiki-usyoso lang sa marantz. ;D
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hans,
pre, gusto ko lang yung CD-Text nya. and as a 2nd player for bedroom use pag may STC 8 watts nako. unahin muna natin yung Marantz na yan bago yung STC.
;D
Pwede din sir... hehehehe btw meron na raw EL34 STC sa phasetron according to Andrew... OT na pala... meron type ko yun Marantz.....
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is this model available at their galleria branch? ma-audition nga mamaya. >:D >:D
Pre balitaan mo ako ha... call you tonight hehehehe >:D
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papunta na si kim, go go go go go go go!! :D
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papunta na si kim, go go go go go go go!! :D
Pre kailan balik manila?? triangle titus na ba??
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Pre kailan balik manila?? triangle titus na ba??
Zerius 202 ata master ang type ni Supes. ;D ;D ;D
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Iba talaga si KIMPAO >:D >:D >:D
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Iba talaga si KIMPAO >:D >:D >:D
Lenga, sisilipin lang yung cdp. Ikaw naman, o. Ahehehehehehe ;D ;D ;D
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Pre balitaan mo ako ha... call you tonight hehehehe >:D
Had tried Marantch CD 5400 sa Electronic Depot sa alabang, actually you can bring your AMP or speakers if you want to audition it. Only NHT and B & W are the available good speakers nila.
Sa akin ok na CD player ito for the price baka nga if you will have a group buy makatawad pa....
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eto daw maganda:
(http://www.lefflershifi.com/Library/Products/Vincent/Graphics/vin_cds3_f_m.jpg)
checked the net for this player, it seems to be a good candidate since its in the 18k range, it has hdcd and class a operation for the output stage. and it uses a hefty power supply. pure ss but it may sound good O0
Specs:
System/Format: HDCD 24-Bit / 96 kHz
Audio Output Voltage: 2 V +/- 1.6 dB
Frequency Range: 10 Hz - 20 kHz +/- 0.5 dB
Dynamic Range: > 100 dB
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: > 95 dB
Total Harmonic Distortion: < 0.003 %
Channel Separation: > 90 dB
Mains Power Input: 230 V / 50 Hz
Dimensions (W x H x D): 430 x 135 x 330 mm
Weight: 10 kg
Colour/Finish: black / silver
...not bad
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Interesting, where to get that player here?
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Pre kailan balik manila?? triangle titus na ba??
hans, next week pa...two weeks stay here then back to reality (trabaho, kayod marino na naman)...re: the speakers, yes the triangles are part of my choice...no final yet, malay natin super hi-end, hehehe! 8)
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Zerius 202 ata master ang type ni Supes. ;D ;D ;D
how i wish kim, hehehehe!...CDP muna, then speakers...last na yan, dahil iiwana na ako ni supergirl pag nagkataon...hehehe! 8)
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Sir good luck sa new venture mo sa tubes.. hehehehe >:D
sir hans,
nag-iisip pa lang. baka tube pre amp muna, san kaya makahiram ng pre-amp para ma test sa SS amp ko. >:D >:D
yung amx mo for sale na ba ?? HEHEHE >:D >:D ;D ;D
sir wanderlust tama ka sa price. ;
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HDCD ba yung MArantz 5400?
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HDCD ba yung MArantz 5400?
Nope.
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sir hans,
nag-iisip pa lang. baka tube pre amp muna, san kaya makahiram ng pre-amp para ma test sa SS amp ko. >:D >:D
yung amx mo for sale na ba ?? HEHEHE >:D >:D ;D ;D
Aha!...Kalaban.....Sir Hans sino ba nauna sa amin?.....hehehe peace BeGeEy
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Anybody want to try high-end OEM products from China, try to visit Hongkong for 3 days order your items here: http://www.cattylink.com and deliver it in your hotel.
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bro, medyo nakakatakot eh, they only sell thru the internet...if you visit their "bodega", parang fly by night operation...they do not have an area for you to audition...you may wanna try, although too risky for me...thanks! 8)
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bro, medyo nakakatakot eh, they only sell thru the internet...if you visit their "bodega", parang fly by night operation...they do not have an area for you to audition...you may wanna try, although too risky for me...thanks! 8)
Yo're right Sir Jen, this because they are all OEM products, like the Shanling CD-S100 SS player this exactly the same with USHER & Expensive Music Hall MMF-25. I think they are not fly by night but an audiophile UNDERGROUND.
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sir krets,
how was your audition? have you tried it with CD-R? any feedback sir?
i had my initial impression before the cd player shootout on this thread, natabunan na sa haba ng replies about the shootout hehehe ;D
anyways, for the review, the cd player was fine for a 10.5k budget range. i wasn't able to bring a demo cd so they used their own cd. it was hooked-up to a NHT floorstanding speakers and marantz sr4400 (i think). and i'm not familiar with that kind of set-up so baka naninibago ako. for that price range, it did good for a cd player nothing more. it is not comparable to the rotels (my point of referrence) but it is way out of league - siguro if it's a KI series or premium range of marantz, pwede makipag head-to-head with rotels, nads, arcams etc. the only bad thing i see is the rca connectors at the back. flimsy looking gold plated rca connectors.
again, for the 10k budget, it will do fine nothing more. maybe if you do some tweaking, it will sound better. it looks handsome (poging-pogi mukhang mamahalin) typical gold marantz equipment (made in china though) the track readout is good, cd-text capable. i didn't see the remote.
cheers O0
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krets compared to nad's 521bee, how would you rate it?
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krets compared to nad's 521bee, how would rate it?
secret!! hehehe loko lang kimpao. i think i'd still go for nad 521bee hehe ayos ba kimps! ;D seriously now, the details are there but not quite, something's still missing. maybe if it has an hdam feature of marantz, it will sound better. reputable naman ang marantz when it comes to budget cd players.
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secret!! hehehe loko lang kimpao. i think i'd still go for nad 521bee hehe ayos ba kimps! ;D seriously now, the details are there but not quite, something's still missing. maybe if it has an hdam feature of marantz, it will sound better. reputable naman ang marantz when it comes to budget cd players.
Ah, ok.
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i think i'd still go for nad 521bee hehe ayos ba kimps! ;D seriously now, the details are there but not quite, something's still missing. maybe if it has an hdam feature of marantz, it will sound better. reputable naman ang marantz when it comes to budget cd players.
e di ilalampaso pa pala ng Denon ni hans at Sony ni BGA etong Marantz 5400 na to? ::) ;D
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e di ilalampaso pa pala ng Denon ni hans at Sony ni BGA etong Marantz 5400 na to? ::) ;D
Attorney! Swak na Swak! Ahahahahaha!!!!! Dagdag ka lang pala ng 2k naka-NAD 521bee ka pa! 50% ata nung total cost ng unit is para dun sa cd text. Ahahahahaha ;D ;D
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I wonder if any of you have auditioned Ferdie Ludo's tubed Heart CDP's (these are modified Marantz CDPs). I was interested in the CD5000 kaya lang walang stock at the time. Yung 6000 na demo model was offered to me at a discounted price kaya lang over my budget pa rin. The internet reviews I've seen are very good.
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sir hans,
nag-iisip pa lang. baka tube pre amp muna, san kaya makahiram ng pre-amp para ma test sa SS amp ko. >:D >:D
yung amx mo for sale na ba ?? HEHEHE >:D >:D ;D ;D
sir wanderlust tama ka sa price. ;
Preamp ba?? hmmm tignan natin... amx amp ko not for sale!! ;D ;D even yun Contodo not for sale din. OT na tayo..
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Swak na Swak! Ahahahahaha!!!!! Dagdag ka lang pala ng 2k naka-NAD 521bee ka pa! 50% ata nung total cost ng unit is para dun sa cd text. Ahahahahaha ;D ;D
OK lang pre basta may CD-Text. ipapakalikot ko na lang kay Master GARP, sya yata ang experto sa CD mods dito eh. OK lang pag-praktisan ni GARP yan mura lang presyo... he he he
calling GARP... where can we get in touch with you, bro.... we would like to solicit your expert opinion on the possible and/or impending modification of this Marantz CD5400.
;D ;D
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audioslave,
Sir sama kami dyan ha kung success!! hehehehe ;D ;D
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hans,
tagal pa bertdey ko bro... tagal pako magkakaron ng CD5400 na yan.
;D
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hans,
tagal pa bertdey ko bro... tagal pako magkakaron ng CD5400 na yan.
;D
Sir baka pagnarinig mo na eh di pa beerday mo eh mabili na agad.. ;D
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Attorney! Swak na Swak! Ahahahahaha!!!!! Dagdag ka lang pala ng 2k naka-NAD 521bee ka pa! 50% ata nung total cost ng unit is para dun sa cd text. Ahahahahaha ;D ;D
pwede rin i tweak into tube cd-player like superman and akyat stated on this thread hehehe ;D
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seriously bros, magandang i-tweak ito coz of its good slim-line looks and built-in features like the CD-Text capability, pitch control and headphone jack with volume control...
;D
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Sir Kimpao,
OT lang po saan at anong store sa China pwede bumili ng mga NOS like the Amperex 12au7? My friend will be leaving next week for a 2 wks training baka sakali. Thanks
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no idea sir. sa hongkong or singapore. weapons of mass destruction marami dun sa china. ahehehehehehe
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OT lang po saan at anong store sa China pwede bumili ng mga NOS like the Amperex 12au7? My friend will be leaving next week for a 2 wks training baka sakali. Thanks
kay Bobby ka lang magpahanap, mabilis pa sa alas singko bebentahan ka nun... di mo na kailangang abalahin pa yung friend mo bro...
:D
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i had my initial impression before the cd player shootout on this thread, natabunan na sa haba ng replies about the shootout hehehe ;D
sir krets maraming salamat. o nga sa dami ng post after the shootout natabunan na. :)
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sir hans, isip pa lang naman nothing serious. ;D ;D
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OK lang pre basta may CD-Text. ipapakalikot ko na lang kay Master GARP, sya yata ang experto sa CD mods dito eh. OK lang pag-praktisan ni GARP yan mura lang presyo... he he he
calling GARP... where can we get in touch with you, bro.... we would like to solicit your expert opinion on the possible and/or impending modification of this Marantz CD5400.
;D ;D
Ha ha. Salamat sa implicit compliment but hardly deserve it. Seriously though am no expert because I don't know circuits unlike Jojod18, Tony, or Rene. The mods on cd players are well documented and the things I proposed in this thread are just borrowed ideas I got from the real experts and newbie diyers alike. But if I knew about the CD5400, I would have chosen it over the NADC521bee for one reason alone: its cheaper! I bought the NAD with a view to tweaking it and hoped that it would make music much much beter than what its price tag suggests. Besides its fun doing it so really I suggest you do it yourself. The only minimum requirement is some basic soldiering skills. Of the tweaks I mentioned earlier, its actually just the diy clock I haven't tried but soon hopefully. Whatever I can contribute to the topic am willing to help. If you have questions, I'd enjoy sharing my own experience or point you in the direction where you can get a more satisfying answer.
In the meantime I'll do research on the Marantz unit, seems like a good candidate for tweaking. ;D
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I have built the Kwak Clock 7 and I tell you the results are outstanding!
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I have built the Kwak Clock 7 and I tell you the results are outstanding!
Tell us more pls! What CD player? What parts did you use? How did it make a difference? Thanks. Sorry if am asking to much.
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Yes, please provide us details.... Thanks.... :) :) :)
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Whatever I can contribute to the topic am willing to help. If you have questions, I'd enjoy sharing my own experience or point you in the direction where you can get a more satisfying answer.
In the meantime I'll do research on the Marantz unit, seems like a good candidate for tweaking. ;D
thanks Garp... as soon as I get my hands on this Marantz CD5400, i will surely get in touch with you. PM mo naman cellphone # mo bro.
:D
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but the sad thing is, this player is no longer available at the Galleria Branch of Electronics Depot. went there this afternoon hoping that i could audition it and if impressed with its features, to get it sooner than planned. but they were selling the CD5400s like hotcakes and they already ran out of stock. good news is: new stocks will be arriving by mid of july but they're not sure yet if they can maintain its current price.
;D ::)
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slave! meron pa yata sa electronics depot alabang! layo nga lang.
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naka-reserved na daw yun bro... baka mga taga Pinoy DVD din kumuha ng mga yun ah.. yung mga lurkers lang dito na di nagpo-post. i know one and he told me that he will be getting that CDP soon.
pre (no need to mention your name), kung ikaw man yun... balitaan mo na lang ako... he he he
;D ;D
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bwahahaha rest assured it's not me audioslave! promise! >:D
baka makapunta na lang ng pier for a surplus! not pier1 hah, puro batang chix dun hahaha ;D
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i was at electronics depot afterlunch to audition the marantz cd5400 and wala na stocks dun pero meron pa daw 2 units sa alabang branch unless meron nang nagpa-reserve.
audioslave,
sir sayang d tayo nag-abot, balita ko you already got the nad integrated amp to match it with your nad cdp.....are you pushing thru with your plan for a tube setup? :) :) :)
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Bro,
How much kaya ito'ng marantz cd5400?
i was at electronics depot afterlunch to audition the marantz cd5400 and wala na stocks dun pero meron pa daw 2 units sa alabang branch unless meron nang nagpa-reserve.
audioslave,
sir sayang d tayo nag-abot, balita ko you already got the nad integrated amp to match it with your nad cdp.....are you pushing thru with your plan for a tube setup? :) :) :)
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but the sad thing is, this player is no longer available at the Galleria Branch of Electronics Depot. went there this afternoon hoping that i could audition it and if impressed with its features, to get it sooner than planned. but they were selling the CD5400s like hotcakes and they already ran out of stock. good news is: new stocks will be arriving by mid of july but they're not sure yet if they can maintain its current price.
;D ::)
anak ka ng tubo!!!! ubos agad ;D...thanks audioslave
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atty. upgrade ka rin ng cd player?
:-\ bakit
:P
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Tell us more pls! What CD player? What parts did you use? How did it make a difference? Thanks. Sorry if am asking to much.
I fitted the KC7 in my Pioneer cdp. (Yung isasali ko dapat dun sa cdp shootout.) The most astonishing improvement was less digital glare. If you would like to build one, you can download the diagram from this link:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=199928#post199928
I mainly sourced my parts from Farnell and used pcb and metal film resistors from Radioshack and Alexan. Will post the prices of individual components next time.
There is another worthwhile diy clock from Guido Tent but this requires a special crystal as compared to the KC& which uses the existing crystal from the cdp.
Lars Clausen of LCAudio also gave the diagrams to his Lclocks from this link:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=4fc0022106b4890b17fac01350958c58&threadid=24059&highlight=
But this is too complicated to build and also requires a special crystal.
Here are characteristics of op-amps as discussed by Dejan Vaselinovic of TNT-Audio. Use it as a guide on choosing which op-amp you will use:
http://www.zero-distortion.com/downlaod/opamps.zip
And here is how to improve their performance by boosting their output currents:
http://www.zero-distortion.com/downlaod/boosting-jpg.zip
Happy tweaking!!!
(Parang Happy three kings! Hehehe)
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sir bruno, sobrang tweak na ata ung cdp mo ah ;D congrats! parang consonance cdp na ba? ;D
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I fitted the KC7 in my Pioneer cdp. (Yung isasali ko dapat dun sa cdp shootout.) The most astonishing improvement was less digital glare. If you would like to build one, you can download the diagram from this link:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=199928#post199928
I mainly sourced my parts from Farnell and used pcb and metal film resistors from Radioshack and Alexan. Will post the prices of individual components next time.
There is another worthwhile diy clock from Guido Tent but this requires a special crystal as compared to the KC& which uses the existing crystal from the cdp.
Lars Clausen of LCAudio also gave the diagrams to his Lclocks from this link:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=4fc0022106b4890b17fac01350958c58&threadid=24059&highlight=
But this is too complicated to build and also requires a special crystal.
Here are characteristics of op-amps as discussed by Dejan Vaselinovic of TNT-Audio. Use it as a guide on choosing which op-amp you will use:
http://www.zero-distortion.com/downlaod/opamps.zip
And here is how to improve their performance by boosting their output currents:
http://www.zero-distortion.com/downlaod/boosting-jpg.zip
Happy tweaking!!!
(Parang Happy three kings! Hehehe)
Bruno thanks very much for the reply. As I plan to construct my own clock, may I ask you questions from time to time? Dejan's opamp paper is really educational. It was actually from this that I got interested in thh AD826 that he praises highly. Thorsten Loech however recommended LM6172 as first choice and I tried this but found the sound too shrill for my tasete though the highs are much cleaner than that of AD826. I settled with AD826 in the end.
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thanks a lot to the tweaking tips. you guys are great. here in davao, price of surplus CD players from Japanese warehouses have dropped 50% down to P600 unit. this means, it's time to do weekend tweaks. kahit masira okay lang, ka presyo lang ng isang buffet lunch ang mawawala. but the satisfaction is greater even on initial failure.
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punk_kid,
Just the usual tweaks pa lang naman. Haven't tried making a non-oversampling dac yet. Hirap maghanap ng TDA1541.
Still havn't found a schematic for your player yet. It's better to have a plan before you star tweaking as I have experienced. You might be upgrading components just to replace it later on. Parang yung pagkabit ko ng Rubycon ZA's papalitan ko rin pala. Mahal pa naman ng mga yun and they sounded awful.
garp,
Sure thing. Will be glad to answer your queries. Actually there is a new op-amp from Analog Devices that have garnered a lot of praises. It's the AD8620. It's a very promising opamp that will wapack any Burr Browns. SMD nga lang. And availability is quite difficult.
sandawa,
Baka makaiskor ka ng player na may TDA1541. Kahuyin natin. Hehehe.
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as far as i know, all Sony ES series used DAC TDA1541. sige, sasabihan ko yung mga boy ng warehouses dito kahuyin yung mga junk units tapos ibenta sa atin kahit P100 each papayag yung mga yun. papadala ko na lang diyan sa yo at same price plus forwarding charge (mura lang yan). pero, baka hindi immediately. could take weeks or months.
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Here is a list of players that uses the TDA1541:
Arcam Delta 70.2
Arcam Alpha 5
Aristona CD1380 ( not 100 % sure though ).
Sony CDP-M95
Philips LHH1000 (S1)
Marantz CD12
Marantz CD7 (S1)
Marantz CD40 TDA1541
Marantz CD50 TDA1541
Marantz CD56 TDA1541
Marantz CD60 TDA1541
Marantz CD65 TDA1541
Marantz CD80 TDA1541
Marantz CD94 TDA1541
Philips CD85M-NB TDA1541
Philips CD94M-NB TDA1541
Philips CDC586 TDA1541
Philips CD350 TDA1541
Philips CD360 TDA1541
Philips CD371 TDA1541
Philips CD373 TDA1541
Philips CD380 TDA1543, TDA1541, TDA1541A
Philips CD460 TDA1541
Philips CD465 TDA1541
Philips CD471 TDA1541
Philips CD472 TDA1541
Philips CD473 TDA1541
Philips CD580 TDA1541
Philips CD581 TDA1541
Philips CD582 TDA1541
Philips CD630 27bit/4* or TDA1541
Philips CD640 TDA1541
Philips CD650 TDA1541
Philips CD782 TDA1541
Philips CD820 TDA1541
Philips CD850 TDA1541
Philips CD880 TDA1541
Philips CD960 TDA1541
Aristona CD1380 TDA1543, TDA1541, TDA1541A
Rotel RCD855 TDA1541
Rotel RCD820 TDA1541
Sony CDP-M95 TDA1541
Sony CDP-750 TDA1541
Sony CDP-950 TDA1541
Cambridge Audio CD3 TDA1541
Proton AC300-II TDA1541
Orelle CD100 TDA1541
Revox B226 TDA1541
Sudgen CDT1 TDA1541
Adcom GCD575
Cambridge CD1
Cambridge CD2
Grundig CD903II
McIntosh MCD7007
Mission PCM4000
Naim CD1
Naim CD3
Philips CD80
Quad 66
Rotel 955
Sony 337ESD
Sudgen Masterclass
Sudgen SDT-1
Sana meron ka mahanap sa mga ito. Will just pay for it pati shipping. No need to rush though. Haven't got much time to kutingting lately.
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punk_kid,
Just the usual tweaks pa lang naman. Haven't tried making a non-oversampling dac yet. Hirap maghanap ng TDA1541.
Still havn't found a schematic for your player yet. It's better to have a plan before you star tweaking as I have experienced. You might be upgrading components just to replace it later on. Parang yung pagkabit ko ng Rubycon ZA's papalitan ko rin pala. Mahal pa naman ng mga yun and they sounded awful.
Thanks for helping me find a schematic, planuhan natin yan.
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punk_kid,
Just the usual tweaks pa lang naman. Haven't tried making a non-oversampling dac yet. Hirap maghanap ng TDA1541.
Still havn't found a schematic for your player yet. It's better to have a plan before you star tweaking as I have experienced. You might be upgrading components just to replace it later on. Parang yung pagkabit ko ng Rubycon ZA's papalitan ko rin pala. Mahal pa naman ng mga yun and they sounded awful.
Thanks again. One more question kung ok lang. In your experience what capacitors including the series name have you tried and can recommend? I've only tried mostly Panasonic kasi.
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hmmmmm, kahit malalim usapan d2 (wala akong naintindihan) this tweaking thingy has gotten my interest, and im thinking of doing one. heard sir brunos tweaked pioneer cdp, and i almost cant believe what i was hearing, i was quite amazed a pionees could sound that good.
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i was at electronics depot afterlunch to audition the marantz cd5400 and wala na stocks dun pero meron pa daw 2 units sa alabang branch unless meron nang nagpa-reserve.
audioslave,
sir sayang d tayo nag-abot, balita ko you already got the nad integrated amp to match it with your nad cdp.....are you pushing thru with your plan for a tube setup? :) :) :)
jet,
tuloy pa rin ako sa tube amp na yan. kahit iwas-iwasan ko yan eh, dun din naman ako pupunta later on. unahin ko lang muna yung Marantz CD5400 na yan.
;D ;D
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atty. upgrade ka rin ng cd player?
:-\ bakit
:P
tokayong rony,
dehins ako upgrade bro... downgrade pa nga eh.
he he he he
;D ;D ;D ;D
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atty wag mo na sana galawin cd mo. okey na yon. Yong amp na lang ang baguhin mo sana mag tubes ka na rin. he he he
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atty wag mo na sana galawin cd mo. okey na yon. Yong amp na lang ang baguhin mo sana mag tubes ka na rin. he he he
Totally agree mag tube na kasi.... >:D >:D
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Thanks again. One more question kung ok lang. In your experience what capacitors including the series name have you tried and can recommend? I've only tried mostly Panasonic kasi.
Panasonic FC is a favorite among diy'ers because of their high ripple rejection and low impedance. But the thing is they have magnetic steel leads (like Rubycon ZAs) as compared to the ofc used in audio grade caps.
For general use Elna Stargets are ok pero hanggang 1,000uF/16v lang available sa RS Components. For digital decoupling, nothing beats Sanyo Os-con (Organic semi-conductor) yung SG series na pang audio. Limited values na lang available sa Farnell because they are discontinued. Pwede na din yung SP series. Suitable for audio din it uses OFC.
Just remember na yung converter and dac chips have an analog ang digital supply. So use the os-con for the digital supply and the starget (Black gate gamit ko dun sa analog supply ng dac) for the analog supply. I also use BG for op-amp supply decoupling. FK kung kasya pero kung hindi kahit Standard pwede na.
Some people remove the coupling cap after the op-amp. Didn't do this as I believe that they are there for a purpose, to block any dc current from the op-amp. Pwede Starget dito pero I use Elna Silmic (silk fibers in the dielectric) in my cdp.
Never use a low esr cap after a regulator. Bypass your power supply diodes (ultra-fast, soft recovery diodes) and large value caps with ceramic caps (preferably yung X7R type).
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Bro,
How much kaya ito'ng marantz cd5400?
The lowest they can give it is at P9,900.
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Panasonic FC is a favorite among diy'ers because of their high ripple rejection and low impedance. But the thing is they have magnetic steel leads (like Rubycon ZAs) as compared to the ofc used in audio grade caps.
For general use Elna Stargets are ok pero hanggang 1,000uF/16v lang available sa RS Components. For digital decoupling, nothing beats Sanyo Os-con (Organic semi-conductor) yung SG series na pang audio. Limited values na lang available sa Farnell because they are discontinued. Pwede na din yung SP series. Suitable for audio din it uses OFC.
Just remember na yung converter and dac chips have an analog ang digital supply. So use the os-con for the digital supply and the starget (Black gate gamit ko dun sa analog supply ng dac) for the analog supply. I also use BG for op-amp supply decoupling. FK kung kasya pero kung hindi kahit Standard pwede na.
Some people remove the coupling cap after the op-amp. Didn't do this as I believe that they are there for a purpose, to block any dc current from the op-amp. Pwede Starget dito pero I use Elna Silmic (silk fibers in the dielectric) in my cdp.
Never use a low esr cap after a regulator. Bypass your power supply diodes (ultra-fast, soft recovery diodes) and large value caps with ceramic caps (preferably yung X7R type).
Thanks. Will try OSCONS for the digital supply. Right now I have panasonic FC throughout except the coupling cap after the opamps which is elna SILMIC. All my power supply caps have been bypassed with 0.1uf Wima and the diodes with ceramics.
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Totally agree mag tube na kasi.... >:D >:D
Tama......! Mag Tube ka na kasi.......hehehe
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Tama......! Mag Tube ka na kasi.......hehehe
pangatlo na kong nagsasabi mag tube na! ;D >:D ;D >:D
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tube na naman! ano ba naman kayo...... ::)
pang -apat na nako. hehehehe. >:D
balang araw, mag tutubes din ako (kong kasing mura lang kasi yan nga tubes na suot ng mga babae e, though magkasing yamy.....)
fishhhhh man O0
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balang araw, mag tutubes din ako (kong kasing mura lang kasi yan nga tubes na suot ng babae e, though magkasing yamy.....)
Sir,
ang sagwa mo tignan kung magtu-tube ka! :o ;D ;D ;D ;D Di bagay! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sir, joke only!!! fisssssssshhhhhh tayo!!!!!!!
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Sir,
ang sagwa mo tignan kung magtu-tube ka! :o ;D ;D ;D ;D Di bagay! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sir, joke only!!! fisssssssshhhhhh tayo!!!!!!!
hehehe, mali ata, ibig kong sabihin "hindi yong tubes na suot ng mga babae ha", kung sabagay type din, fafa!!!
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Guys,
Congrats pala sa new owner ng 1072...& 971.. due to last CDP shootout syempre meron SARS kaya ayun meron na bagong CDP... ;D ;D
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Guys,
Congrats pala sa new owner ng 1072...& 971.. due to last CDP shootout syempre meron SARS kaya ayun meron na bagong CDP... ;D ;D
UY!!!!! Sino itong mga may bagong cdp. Haneps!!!! RCD-1072 tapos yung isa naka-971!!!! Congrats mga SARS!!!este...........Sirs!
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Sir,
Lupit nung may new Rotel RCD-1072.. flagship pa ng Rotel ang tinira!! LUPIT MO!!
;D
Guys,
Congrats pala sa new owner ng 1072...& 971.. due to last CDP shootout syempre meron SARS kaya ayun meron na bagong CDP... ;D ;D
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Kimpao, & slayer,
Dapat magpa gulaman yun dalawang yun... ;D ;D ;D
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Kimpao, & slayer,
Dapat magpa gulaman yun dalawang yun... ;D ;D ;D
Di siguro dahil ubus na ang moolah nun! ;D
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UY!!!!! Sino itong mga may bagong cdp. Haneps!!!! RCD-1072 tapos yung isa naka-971!!!! Congrats mga SARS!!!este...........Sirs!
Sir,
Lupit nung may new Rotel RCD-1072.. flagship pa ng Rotel ang tinira!! LUPIT MO!!
8) 8) 8)
aba at may script pa ;D ;D ;D
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Pre,
Di siguro! Kilala ko yun... di nauubusan yon... >:D Ano naman kaya ang susunod na titirahin nun?
Di siguro dahil ubus na ang moolah nun! ;D
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malupitshi kayo!!!! ako pa surplu surplus lang yomng iba direct to the best agad!
hanep!
gulaman time agad!
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Iceman,
Showbiz ang dating di ba?? >:D >:D
OT Sir thanks a lot ulit sa passive.. ;D
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Iceman,
Showbiz ang dating di ba??
OT Sir thanks a lot ulit sa passive..
No problem bro! Salamat din! pwede ba palit na lang tayo?
Salamat din Kimpao! Galing ng B4 :D !!!
pero parang di yata ganito itsura ng pinakinggan natin: ;)
(http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v41/kimpao/Setup_view_2.jpg)
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Vince,
Patay tayo diyan... ano ibig mong sabihin?!?! ;D ;D ;D
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aaahhh - wala yung Scott, nasa bagong may-ari na yata ;) tapos AMX yung preamp na gamit, tsaka...
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tsaka bago na din ang cd player??? hehehe >:D
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Iceman,
Sir pwede din swap... OT sir pm zepher baka type nya HK AVR.. >:D >:D
Sir di rin ganyan yun nakita ko meron AMX preamp pero wala yun Scott.. ;D ;D
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Langhiya!! May umampon na ng precious Scott niya?! Daming nakapila dun... ahehehee... ;D ;D ;D
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Langhiya!! May umampon na ng precious Scott niya?! Daming nakapila dun... ahehehee... ;D ;D ;D
Bakasyon lang sir! hindi pina-ampon! ;D
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Bakasyon lang sir! hindi pina-ampon! ;D
OT suwerte naman si precious yun!!..
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No problem bro! Salamat din! pwede ba palit na lang tayo?
Salamat din Kimpao! Galing ng B4 :D !!!
pero parang di yata ganito itsura ng pinakinggan natin: ;)
(http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v41/kimpao/Setup_view_2.jpg)
hindi sir yan parin yun, nabago lang yung placement ng speakers. ;D ;D ;D
Iceman,
Sir pwede din swap... OT sir pm zepher baka type nya HK AVR.. >:D >:D
Sir di rin ganyan yun nakita ko meron AMX preamp pero wala yun Scott.. ;D ;D
sir baka napagod ka lang sa layo ng byahe kaya ibang ang itsura ;D
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OT suwerte naman si precious yun!!..
set na yong long table dyan para masarap kwentuhan plus new cd player and amp wowow ;D ;D ;D ano ba uunahin paganahin yon1072 ba o 971....ano kaya ??? ??? ???
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Mga chief,
Mga magkano kaya ang RCD-02? Balita ko pang rock or fast paced tracks lang daw ito... medyo manipis daw sa vocals and jazz according to some comments and reviews na narinig at nabasa ko. Ano mas pipiliin niyo... RCD-02 o 971? Nagtatanong lang po. *bow*
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971 ako! :D *bow*
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Got this from one of the site...
"It has dual Burr Brown DACs, and a toroidal transformer with dual windings."
Mala RCD-1072 pala ito with its Torodial Transformer. ;D
971 ako! :D *bow*
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sirs, anybody here tried the kenwood cdp available at western and sm appliance centers? forgot the model no. though, its silver, w/ dual dac. :)
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Got this from one of the site...
"It has dual Burr Brown DACs, and a toroidal transformer with dual windings."
Mala RCD-1072 pala ito with its Torodial Transformer. ;D
Sir "ga-platito" ang laki ng Toroidal Transformer niyan :o :o
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saan ba pwede ma-audition itong 971 na to ng magkaalaman? ;D
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ay late na pala ako.. congrats don sa nakakuha ng 971...presars ha.. ;D .. and sa bagong cdp ni Master ST Don.... ;) ;D
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ay late na pala ako.. congrats don sa nakakuha ng 971...presars ha.. ;D .. and sa bagong cdp ni Master ST Don.... ;) ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Mga chief,
Mga magkano kaya ang RCD-02? Balita ko pang rock or fast paced tracks lang daw ito... medyo manipis daw sa vocals and jazz according to some comments and reviews na narinig at nabasa ko. Ano mas pipiliin niyo... RCD-02 o 971? Nagtatanong lang po. *bow*
mas pipiliin ko RCD-02... mas bago... mas pogi pa... sa tunog, parehong tunog Rotel lang yan... ;D
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ay late na pala ako.. congrats don sa nakakuha ng 971...presars ha.. ;D .. and sa bagong cdp ni Master ST Don.... ;) ;D
sir kimpao, kelan mo ipaparinig new Rotel RCD-1072 mo?
:o
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mas pipiliin ko RCD-02... mas bago... mas pogi pa... sa tunog, parehong tunog Rotel lang yan... ;D
eh di sir yan na bibilhin mo? parinig ha? ;D
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Kimpao,
Ang bilis kumalat ng balita about your new Rotel RCD-1072!! ;D
sir kimpao, kelan mo ipaparinig new Rotel RCD-1072 mo?
:o
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sir kimpao, kelan mo ipaparinig new Rotel RCD-1072 mo?
:o
break-in muna sir, baka mapahiya,eh! ;D ;D ;D
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Naka iwan bang bukas ngayon? REPEAT mode? ;D
brake in brake in brake in...
break-in muna sir, baka mapahiya,eh! ;D ;D ;D
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Sir,
Congrats in advance sa RCD-02 mo! ;D
sir kimpao, kelan mo ipaparinig new Rotel RCD-1072 mo?
:o
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Kimpao,
Ang bilis kumalat ng balita about your new Rotel RCD-1072!! ;D
Na-huli rin. ;D ;D Wala na pala akong maitatago. Ahehehehehehe
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break-in muna sir, baka mapahiya,eh! ;D ;D ;D
itapat agad natin sa RCD-1070 ni john murcielago.
CDP shoot out ulit. this time one-on-one na lang kayo para mas madaling mag-judge...
he he he he
good idea ba, sir? ;D
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WOW!!!! Iba talaga!!!! :o :o :o
break-in muna sir, baka mapahiya,eh! ;D ;D ;D
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Sir,
Pustahan tayo alam din nila kung ano kulay ng brip mo ngayon! Ahehehehe... teka OT na tayo... baka pagalitan... ;D
Na-huli rin. ;D ;D Wala na pala akong maitatago. Ahehehehehehe
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bro,
congrats sa bago mong 1072 and goodbye sa 971 ;D
hulaan nyo kung sino ito na maraming moolah ;D
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Sir obet,
Kalat na kalat na... di na kelangan pahulaan pa! Ahehehehe... parang apoy na kumalat ang balita dun sa 1072 na yan... Ahehehehe... ;D
bro,
congrats sa bago mong 1072 and goodbye sa 971 ;D
hulaan nyo kung sino ito na maraming moolah ;D
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Sir obet,
Kalat na kalat na... di na kelangan pahulaan pa! Ahehehehe... parang apoy na kumalat ang balita dun sa 1072 na yan... Ahehehehe... ;D
umamin na nga sir eh... break-in daw muna bago natin mapakinggan... sana side by side with 1070 ni john... ;D
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umamin na nga sir eh... break-in daw muna bago natin mapakinggan... sana side by side with 1070 ni john... ;D
Attorney balita ko mas mababa daw ang sintensya sa kaso pag-inamin kaagad! ;D Ahehehehehehe
Yung 971 alam ni slayer kung sino ang tumira. ;D ;D Di ba rey >:D >:D
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balita ko mas mababa daw ang sintensya sa kaso pag-inamin kaagad! ;D Ahehehehehehe
oo, yan ang tinatawag na "guilty plea" umaamin kaagad. he he he ;D
kelan shoot out? mga one month from now... break-in na yan bro!
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oo, yan ang tinatawag na "guilty plea" umaamin kaagad. he he he ;D
kelan shoot out? mga one month from now... break-in na yan bro!
cge sir ;D
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cge sir ;D
I ba talaga pag-sikat sir laging may naka-surveilance hehehe. Sir Kim padating ng mga gears isa ka sa mga ICON hehehe. Share naman ng review mo for the people who have dreaded disease S-A-R-S!!!!!
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Don't know why we have lower prices here in Davao for some audiophile CDs that could match the capabilities of your expensive players. I just saw at Gaisano City Mall here only one copy each of four titles that are considered audiophile classics sold at P375 each to match the sophisticated circuitries and DACs of your players. unfortunately meron na ako nito lahat.
1. Missing Linc (Sheffield) - the record company's first audiophile vinyl that dislodged Telarc from the top of the list. The CD version is also a classic and a must for all audiophiles. Saw a shop in Makati selling Missing Linc at P800.
2. Dreaming (Gecko) - Monster Cable's first audiophile demo disc featuring Amanda McBroom. If you think Rebecca Pidgeon's Spanish Harlem is good, you should hear this oldie. Amanda's voice and the embelishment MC did were stunning.
3. Upfront-Power of Seven (Sheffield) - the company gathered the 7 best background vocalists in serious hi-fi recording and the result is this early '90s opus.
4. Kodo: Heartbeat Drummers of Japan (Sheffield) - this was adopted by Yamaha as demo for both home and commercial audio equipment back in late '80s.
it's easy for me to buy these here and send them to you guys within 24 hours but my estimate is you'll spend P250 more per package for bank-to-bank remittance and courier charges. the total would go close to P700, maliit lang ang diprensya kung diyan kayo bibili.
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sir kim parang me pakpak ang balita sa bagong cd player mo. ::) bilis humaba ng thread pero anyway congrats sa player mo parinig ha.
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Kimpao,
sabi mo di ka na mag-upgrade. ayan na nga at pumutok na ang balita. :o
tindi mo talaga don. asan na dati mong rotel? :-*
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sabi mo di ka na mag-upgrade. ayan na nga at pumutok na ang balita. :o
DENIAL!! Ahehehehehehe!!! ;D ;D
tindi mo talaga don. asan na dati mong rotel? :-*
Andyan lang sa tabi-tabi yun sir!!!! Alam ni slayer yun kung sino naka-dali nun. >:D >:D >:D
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Mga chief,
Mga magkano kaya ang RCD-02? Balita ko pang rock or fast paced tracks lang daw ito... medyo manipis daw sa vocals and jazz according to some comments and reviews na narinig at nabasa ko. Ano mas pipiliin niyo... RCD-02 o 971? Nagtatanong lang po. *bow*
nagtatanong pa pero may kinuha na sa dalawa ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Don't know why we have lower prices here in Davao for some audiophile CDs that could match the capabilities of your expensive players. I just saw at Gaisano City Mall here only one copy each of four titles that are considered audiophile classics sold at P375 each to match the sophisticated circuitries and DACs of your players. unfortunately meron na ako nito lahat.
1. Missing Linc (Sheffield) - the record company's first audiophile vinyl that dislodged Telarc from the top of the list. The CD version is also a classic and a must for all audiophiles. Saw a shop in Makati selling Missing Linc at P800.
2. Dreaming (Gecko) - Monster Cable's first audiophile demo disc featuring Amanda McBroom. If you think Rebecca Pidgeon's Spanish Harlem is good, you should hear this oldie. Amanda's voice and the embelishment MC did were stunning.
3. Upfront-Power of Seven (Sheffield) - the company gathered the 7 best background vocalists in serious hi-fi recording and the result is this early '90s opus.
4. Kodo: Heartbeat Drummers of Japan (Sheffield) - this was adopted by Yamaha as demo for both home and commercial audio equipment back in late '80s.
it's easy for me to buy these here and send them to you guys within 24 hours but my estimate is you'll spend P250 more per package for bank-to-bank remittance and courier charges. the total would go close to P700, maliit lang ang diprensya kung diyan kayo bibili.
hi bro!
sent you a PM...thanks! 8)
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Langhiya tindi ng mga tenga niyo sir... i plead guilty narin! ;D
nagtatanong pa pero may kinuha na sa dalawa ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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during my adventure last week, saw some of these...
(http://www.spacelan.ne.jp/~t-mina/kandouki/photo/333esd4.jpg)
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Langhiya tindi ng mga tenga niyo sir... i plead guilty narin! ;D
Alam ko kung alin ang kinuha niyan. Ahehehehehe!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Yung naka-dual Burr Brown PCM63 na DAC tapos yung torodial transformer. ;D ;D ;D
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Langhiya tindi ng mga tenga niyo sir... i plead guilty narin! ;D
Slayer! Etong sa YO!! ;D ;D ;D
(http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v41/kimpao/Rotel_RCD971.jpg)
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wow slayer congrats...gandang cd player yan...gusto mo tweak natin para same performance as an rcd1070? hehehe >:D jk
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Wag po! wag po! ahehehee... tindi mo vince... bilib na talaga ako sayo... kumpleto ka sa epektos... naka tabi siguro lahat ng pix dun sa "what's your setup?" Ahehehehe... ;D
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Wag po! wag po! ahehehee... tindi mo vince... bilib na talaga ako sayo... kumpleto ka sa epektos... naka tabi siguro lahat ng pix dun sa "what's your setup?" Ahehehehe... ;D
hehehe di na nakatiis umamin na rin ................ ;D ;D congrat bro ikaw pala nakakuha nag isang molah ni DOM kimPao
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congrats sir slayer.... magkano score mo dyan? halos pamigay ba presyo, hehehehe.
at ikaw don kimpao, isa ka tlgang pinagpala, my bagong precious kan na namn. congrats sa new toy, pag break-in na pag laruan natin ha.
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Bong,
Salamas sir. ;D
wanderlust,
Medyo napamahal sir pero oks lang... di ko kay kimpao naampon... ayaw bigay sakin eh... sa iba galing sir. ;)
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Bong,
Salamas sir. ;D
wanderlust,
Medyo napamahal sir pero oks lang... di ko kay kimpao naampon... ayaw bigay sakin eh... sa iba galing sir. ;)
ganon ba, panalo ka pa rin dyan sir, and for me it still is beter than the 02.
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Malalaman natin mamaya sir... will pick it up later. Mukha nang mas ok siya sa 02 kasi 18bit lang ang 02 plus halos pareho sila ng piyesa ng 1072... mas maganda nga lang ang DAC ng 1072. ;D
Ewan ko ba kay Kimpao bakit nagpalit pa... matindi kasi yan pag kinati! Ahehehehe... ;D
ganon ba, panalo ka pa rin dyan sir, and for me it still is beter than the 02.
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Malalaman natin mamaya sir... will pick it up later. Mukha nang mas ok siya sa 02 kasi 18bit lang ang 02 plus halos pareho sila ng piyesa ng 1072... mas maganda nga lang ang DAC ng 1072. ;D
Ewan ko ba kay Kimpao bakit nagpalit pa... matindi kasi yan pag kinati! Ahehehehe... ;D
Pre di mo talaga mapipigilan yon mahaba pisi nyan e at tsaka mlawak ang pangkamot sa SARS nyan ;D ;D myembro ka na rin pala no totoy MOLAHHHHHHHHhh
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umamin ka din pre... ;D congrats sa cdp mo... di ka na ma-reach.. DON ka na din.... DON Paldo Slayer.. ;D
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Malalaman natin mamaya sir... will pick it up later. Mukha nang mas ok siya sa 02 kasi 18bit lang ang 02 plus halos pareho sila ng piyesa ng 1072... mas maganda nga lang ang DAC ng 1072. ;D
Ewan ko ba kay Kimpao bakit nagpalit pa... matindi kasi yan pag kinati! Ahehehehe... ;D
bilis tlga ng balita dito no, d mo pa pala nakukuha alam na ng lahat. hehehe.
gudluck mamaya sir dyan..... mukhang mapupuyat ka na naman mamaya nyan ah......
agree ako dayn almost the same yan with the 1072.
hay naku, pang c don st paldo kimpao naka-isip bili agad yan, mala asyong aksaya yan e, a true blue blooded "DON"!
sir kim fissshhhh ha. hehehe.
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sir j_albert,
tumpak ka diyan sir... walang dulo ang pisi si DON ST BOY PALDO e GULAMAN KIMPAO! ;D
master sebman,
Di ako don sir... peanut butter with bread nga lang baon ko sir today eh! Ahehehehe... :-\
wanderlust,
Tindi ano? Nagbabalak ka palang kumakalat na agad ang balita! Ahehehehe... >:D
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mas matindi pa nga kaysa "i love you" virus kung kumalat balita dito e, hehehe. affected pa lahat! ahehehe.
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CONGRATS!!!! FOR THE NEW TOY!!!!
Sir Kimpao ----ROTEL RCD-1072
Sir Slayer ----- ROTEL RCD-971
SHOOT-OUT NA NAMAN?
Mga sir review na lang based sa mga pinalitan nyo......Teka effect ba yan ng player ni Murcielago? nagtatanong lang po.......
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SHOOT-OUT NA NAMAN?
Mga sir review na lang based sa mga pinalitan nyo......Teka effect ba yan ng player ni Murcielago? nagtatanong lang po.......
palagay ko nga bro, hamak na mas maganda kase yung Rotel RCD-1070 ni John keysa sa Usher mo at sa NAD ko.
;D
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teka, kelan nga pala shoot out ng Exposure 2010 ni rony at Consonance ni iceman? isabay na natin sa shoot out ng 1070 ni john at 1072 ni kimpao.
;D ::)
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Guys,
Teka bida naman si SenyoR ST Don PalDO kimpao.. hehehe sama natin si JUnior PalDO Slayer Congratssss... >:D
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master sebman,
Di ako don sir... peanut butter with bread nga lang baon ko sir today eh! Ahehehehe... :-\
pssst - try mo SM Bonus na Peanut butter - mura na masarap pa, di nakaka umay ;D
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Iceman,
Try mo yun bagong STAR... type ng mga bata.. OT.. >:D
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palagay ko nga bro, hamak na mas maganda kase yung Rotel RCD-1070 ni John keysa sa Usher mo at sa NAD ko.
;D
hahaha.......saka na ako magpapalit sir, Tube amp muna saka break-in ni USHER sabay palit ng OP-AMP at mga capacitors then shoot-out again bago palitan! Congrats Sir!
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Master Hans,
Teka, pano ako nasali diyan... heavyweights lang yan... tsaka nagpagsawaan niyo na ito! Ahehehee...
Sir iceman,
Uy! Okay yan... naka lily's ako ngayon. Masubukan nga yan! Ahehehe... sama na natin ang Bonus tasty bread. >:D
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teka, kelan nga pala shoot out ng Exposure 2010 ni rony at Consonance ni iceman? isabay na natin sa shoot out ng 1070 ni john at 1072 ni kimpao.
;D ::)
good idea kaya cguro tahimik yong may 1072 bibibreak-in na nang husto napuyat ;D ;D ;D
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Baka naman sir naka REPEAT buong araw kahit nasa opis... ;D >:D
good idea kaya cguro tahimik yong may 1072 bibibreak-in na nang husto napuyat ;D ;D ;D
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Baka naman sir naka REPEAT buong araw kahit nasa opis... ;D >:D
mahirap yon baka magaya don sa tower kung kailan may audience na di na kumanta ;D ;D ;D napagod nang husto
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Pinulutan niyo na ako ng husto ah!!! Mag-beer naman kayo!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;DAhehehehehe
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Pinulutan niyo na ako ng husto ah!!! Mag-beer naman kayo!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;DAhehehehehe
ganyan tlga sir, ikaw my bagong cpd e, OT kami kung d ka namin bababangitin.
ahehehe.
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Pinulutan niyo na ako ng husto ah!!! Mag-beer naman kayo!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;DAhehehehehe
iba kc yong pogi .................ahehheheheheh
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kimpao and slayer,
congrats sa mga bagong acquisitions nyo...dumadami na ang mga rotel users :D
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Pinulutan niyo na ako ng husto ah!!! Mag-beer naman kayo!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;DAhehehehehe
oh ayan! nag alok na! kailan? wag this sat... ;D
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Sir Obet,
Salamat sir... idol ko kayo nung una kong masilayan ang Rotel CDP niyo sa bundok ni akyatbundok. ;D
iceman,
Bagsik talaga ng mama... magpapainom pa ata! ;D
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maraming salamat sir obet, !
slayer,
pareho na tayong batang peanut butter sandwich. pre, medyo malangis yung lily's baka bukas subukan ko naman coco jam. ;D ;D ;D
j_albert,
isang buwan ko pang pagtiyatyagaan 'to pre. ;D ;D ;D
wanderlust,
ang tindi ng mga tengga niyo. Ahehehehehehe ;D ;D
iceman,
kung nag sabi ka nung linggo eh di inubatan kita ng boteng malamig. ;D ;D Idol ka pa rin namin!!!!! Kelan ba namin masisilayan yang consonance mo? :D
odyopayl,
balita ko may bago ka rin laruan. Congrats sir!!!! Tubo ka na! Welcome to the club! ;D ;D
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kim, kelan ang inuman??? sama ako diyan ng masilayan ko ang mga bago mong laruan...esp yang cdp mo...ako, hinay-hinay muna...puro benta muna siguro...iba na talaga ang in-love...kasal muna paghandaan ko...tsaka na ang audio... :D
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A British review said that the 1072 can't read CD-RW. True?
It can read a CD-R, right?
Thanks!
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A British review said that the 1072 can't read CD-RW. True?
It can read a CD-R, right?
Thanks!
yep, it sure can read a cd-r ;)
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kim, kelan ang inuman??? sama ako diyan ng masilayan ko ang mga bago mong laruan...esp yang cdp mo...ako, hinay-hinay muna...puro benta muna siguro...iba na talaga ang in-love...kasal muna paghandaan ko...tsaka na ang audio... :D
sabi na nga bat nakakaistorbo sa audio ang pagmamahal eh.
kasal? sarap maging binata pre. >:D
Congratulations to the new owners of old and new rotel cdps.
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Thanks john!
Thanks kimpao for your reply below!
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A British review said that the 1072 can't read CD-RW. True?
It can read a CD-R, right?
Thanks!
Can read CD-Rs with no problem at all, sir :D CD-RW, it can read but you have to finalize it. :'(
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kim, kelan ang inuman??? sama ako diyan ng masilayan ko ang mga bago mong laruan...esp yang cdp mo...ako, hinay-hinay muna...puro benta muna siguro...iba na talaga ang in-love...kasal muna paghandaan ko...tsaka na ang audio... :D
hinay hinay - baka sa dami ng maipon mo, pang 2 kasal na umabot yan ;D
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sabi na nga bat nakakaistorbo sa audio ang pagmamahal eh.
kasal? sarap maging binata pre. >:D
Congratulations to the new owners of old and new rotel cdps.
Maramng salamat sir JulsP168
I second the motion Supes, sarap maging binata. ;D ;D
hinay hinay - baka sa dami ng maipon mo, pang 2 kasal na umabot yan ;D
Ahahahahaha! ;D ;D
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Maramng salamat sir JulsP168
I second the motion Supes, sarap maging binata. ;D ;D
Ahahahahaha! ;D ;D
pangatlo pa ako tignan mo si ST kimpao dami molahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ;D ;D ;D
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sarap maging binata. ;D ;D
OT-savor it while it lasts dahil pag may mga tsikiting na kayo, upgrade ng baby things ang haharapin nyo
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thanks guys!...kaya nga yung set-up ko ngayon (whatever it will be two weeks from now) will be my last (hopefully) upgrade... :P :P :P
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thanks guys!...kaya nga yung set-up ko ngayon (whatever it will be two weeks from now) will be my last (hopefully) upgrade... :P :P :P
Mukhang di ka na mapipigilan sir. Aba, 2 weeks from now, sigurado ako PANALONG-PANALO set-up mo sir! mapa-triangle man o S6. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sir Sups,
Ikaw ba kumana nung Consonance 2.2 CDP sa wiredstate? ;) ;D
thanks guys!...kaya nga yung set-up ko ngayon (whatever it will be two weeks from now) will be my last (hopefully) upgrade... :P :P :P
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thanks guys!...kaya nga yung set-up ko ngayon (whatever it will be two weeks from now) will be my last (hopefully) upgrade... :P :P :P
dont hope pre. sigurado.....mag upgrade ka balang araw. audiophile ka na diba?
siguraduhin mo lang na wag magupgrade na wife balang araw. ;D
good luck pre.
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kim, kelan ang inuman??? sama ako diyan ng masilayan ko ang mga bago mong laruan...esp yang cdp mo...ako, hinay-hinay muna...puro benta muna siguro...iba na talaga ang in-love...kasal muna paghandaan ko...tsaka na ang audio... :D
congrats pre, lucky woman, biruin mo ipagpapalit mo audio world sa kanya, hehehe.
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kim, kelan ang inuman??? sama ako diyan ng masilayan ko ang mga bago mong laruan...esp yang cdp mo...ako, hinay-hinay muna...puro benta muna siguro...iba na talaga ang in-love...kasal muna paghandaan ko...tsaka na ang audio... :D
Sometimes Life is setting priorities........but i'm sure sir jen babalik ka rin sa first love mo.........hehehe (audio gears) Hope your soon to be wife won't envious with your hobby! Goodluck S=U=P=E=R=M=A-N
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thanks guys!...kaya nga yung set-up ko ngayon (whatever it will be two weeks from now) will be my last (hopefully) upgrade... :P :P :P
brother superman,
mukhang balak mo pang sabayan ang proclamation nang bagong presidente ahhh :)
mabuhay ka!
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Guys,
Tigil na gulaman naman.... Kimpao bukas ba??? hehehehe
superman,
Advance Congrats kung talaga decided to join our club ( family man).. >:D
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Ok Yan Sir!!! Pwedeng-pwede bukas!!!!
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Mukhang di ka na mapipigilan sir. Aba, 2 weeks from now, sigurado ako PANALONG-PANALO set-up mo sir! mapa-triangle man o S6. ;D ;D ;D ;D
kim, SALAMAT ha...wala pa rin eh...inip na nga ako...pero sige lang tiis muna ko...gusto ko ng pinaka-basic set-up na lang...para madaling dalhin sa davao, hehehehehe!...balitaan ko kayo ha... :D
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Sir Sups,
Ikaw ba kumana nung Consonance 2.2 CDP sa wiredstate? ;) ;D
how i wish sir...pero no budget for the consonance...gusto ko nga sana eh...sigh! :P
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hinay hinay - baka sa dami ng maipon mo, pang 2 kasal na umabot yan ;D
pwede rin bro...para yung isang ceremony exclusive for wiredstate and pinoydvd members, hehehehe! 8)
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dont hope pre. sigurado.....mag upgrade ka balang araw. audiophile ka na diba?
siguraduhin mo lang na wag magupgrade na wife balang araw. ;D
good luck pre.
pare, reference material na si supergirl...no need to upgrade...sobrang high-end, hehehe!...thanks bro!...dami ko ng utang na _____ sa yo...hayaan mo, next week meron na...god bless! 8)
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congrats pre, lucky woman, biruin mo ipagpapalit mo audio world sa kanya, hehehe.
thanks wanderlust...baka kasi kaka-upgrade eh i-downgrade na niya ko at iwanan ako, hehehe! 8)
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Sometimes Life is setting priorities........but i'm sure sir jen babalik ka rin sa first love mo.........hehehe (audio gears) Hope your soon to be wife won't envious with your hobby! Goodluck S=U=P=E=R=M=A-N
di naman sir...it's more of a personal decision...in fact, she's a music addict as well, we both love jazz and vocals...kaya she appreciates the music i listen to...and she looks forward to also "playing" with my gears, o di ba??? hehehe! 8)
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brother superman,
mukhang balak mo pang sabayan ang proclamation nang bagong presidente ahhh :)
mabuhay ka!
sana nga makasabay...salamat kabesa, este makatang tryaudio...isa kang alamat! 8)
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Guys,
Tigil na gulaman naman.... Kimpao bukas ba??? hehehehe
superman,
Advance Congrats kung talaga decided to join our club ( family man).. >:D
thanks hans!...next year na siguro...at least when all of you are in davao, may listening session tayo, hehehehe!...tsaka sagot ko tsibog niyo...basta dala kayo ng gulaman! hehehe! 8)
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di naman sir...it's more of a personal decision...in fact, she's a music addict as well, we both love jazz and vocals...kaya she appreciates the music i listen to...and she looks forward to also "playing" with my gears, o di ba??? hehehe! 8)
You're lucky to have that Girlfriend and soon to be lifetime partner. Di gaya ng iba dyan (like me) my gears cost (.1) of the actual value hehehe.......
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You're lucky to have that Girlfriend and soon to be lifetime partner. Di gaya ng iba dyan (like me) my gears cost (.1) of the actual value hehehe.......
yes bro...not just LUCKY...but BLESSED! 8) thanks!...
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yes bro...not just LUCKY...but BLESSED! 8) thanks!...
CONGRATS Sir!!!!!! Isa kang pinag-pala ng nasa taas! :D :D
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but the sad thing is, this player is no longer available at the Galleria Branch of Electronics Depot. went there this afternoon hoping that i could audition it and if impressed with its features, to get it sooner than planned. but they were selling the CD5400s like hotcakes and they already ran out of stock. good news is: new stocks will be arriving by mid of july but they're not sure yet if they can maintain its current price.
;D ::)
hi bro!
was able to audition the marantz cd5400 last night at electronics depot alabang...for about 30minutes only...kaya lang was hooked up using optical cable via marantz sr 7400 AV receiver...it's a decent sounding CDP for its price...there are a few units left...told them that if i have time this saturday, i'll bring my amp and pre-amp to test if they're OK...they do not allow home audition...warranty is 1-year...a very good 2nd CDP for your system...brought some chesky CDs with me...very nice detail...thanks guys!
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CONGRATS Sir!!!!!! Isa kang pinag-pala ng nasa taas! :D :D
thanks kim...swerte na, pinagpala pa!... di bale, pag may lientening session sa davao, invited kayong lahat...pero kayo bahala sa airfare, hehehehe!...sagot ko tsibog and gulaman...mas fresh ang gulaman dun eh, hehehehe! 8)
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hi bro!
was able to audition the marantz cd5400 last night at electronics depot alabang...for about 30minutes only...kaya lang was hooked up using optical cable via marantz sr 7400 AV receiver...it's a decent sounding CDP for its price...there are a few units left...told them that if i have time this saturday, i'll bring my amp and pre-amp to test if they're OK...they do not allow home audition...warranty is 1-year...a very good 2nd CDP for your system...brought some chesky CDs with me...very nice detail...thanks guys!
thanks superman,
how about the CD-text? have you seen it work? if your CDs have an encoded CD text information, they should appear on the display right away showing the title of the album, name of the artist, title tracks etc. The Sundance Flamenco CD by James Bobchak contains CD-Text info but dunno if the Chesky's are already CD-Text encoded.
;D
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A cd-text enabled player will indicate that the CD has CD text. My Yamaha DVD-A player has such a feature which is defeatable along with the rest of its video function. The CD text is viewable via a monitor, so I suppose a CD player that supports CD text must have a video out jack.
Question to CD gurus: Is there any CD player out there that remembers programmed selections for at least 500 discs without memory failure? I kinda miss my disposed PC which recognized every disc I put into it and played only my favourite tracks via a programmed listing in its media player. Even after each power shut off.
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A cd-text enabled player will indicate that the CD has CD text. My Yamaha DVD-A player has such a feature which is defeatable along with the rest of its video function. The CD text is viewable via a monitor, so I suppose a CD player that supports CD text must have a video out jack.
The CD-Text can be viewed on the LCD display of the Cd player.
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phil, it's not LCD display but rather Vacuum Flourescent Display (VFL) and some older CDPs use LED displays. VFLs are like a cross between a CRT and LED displays.
;D
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A cd-text enabled player will indicate that the CD has CD text. My Yamaha DVD-A player has such a feature which is defeatable along with the rest of its video function. The CD text is viewable via a monitor, so I suppose a CD player that supports CD text must have a video out jack.
since yours is a DVD player, you might be referring to the OSD or On Screen Display feature of your player. CD Players don't have any video out jack so they cannot be hooked up to a TV or monitor. CD-Text infos only appear on the display of the CDP itself which should be a Dot Matrix Display to be more readable.
;D
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phil, it's not LCD display but rather Vacuum Flourescent Display (VFL) and some older CDPs use LED displays. VFLs are like a cross between a CRT and LED displays.
;D
oops sorry about that, yes it VFL. thanks
heehe, pero merong CD player na ang type is LCD (hihirit pa ;D )
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thanks superman,
how about the CD-text? have you seen it work? if your CDs have an encoded CD text information, they should appear on the display right away showing the title of the album, name of the artist, title tracks etc. The Sundance Flamenco CD by James Bobchak contains CD-Text info but dunno if the Chesky's are already CD-Text encoded.
;D
bro, the CD-text works...we tested one CD, can't remember the title but it worked for one of the tracks, twas a michael franks song...thanks! 8)
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(http://www.marantz.com/image/products/a_cd5400_med.gif)
here are the specs:
CS4392 D/A Converter ensures incredibly accurate D/A conversion, resulting in ultra low noise music reproduction
CD-Text, offering additional text information like artist name, album title and track name
Headphone level adjustment for direct connection with adjustable volume level control
Random & Repeat modes offers non-stop music, playable in a variable sequence
Quick Replay enables to move back to the desired passage with one touch operation
Pitch Control for increased/decreased playback speed
Digital output coaxial/ optical : coaxial x1, optical x1
Frequency range : 20 - 20 kHz
Dynamic range : 105 dB
Signal-to-noise : 108 dB
Channel separation : 98 dB
Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) : 0.0063%
Mechanism : VAM1201 + DSD
Decoder : SAA7378
D/A conversion : Bitstream + CC filter
Digital filter : SAA7378
DAC : TDA1549
LPF stage : NJM4560
Cabinet Dimensions (W x H x D) : 440 x 87 x 280 mm
Maximum Dimensions (W x H x D) : 440 x 87 x 280 mm
Weight : 2.9 kg
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at 2.9 kgs, ang gaan pala nitong CD5400 ah. di kaya liparin ng hangin?? ;D
BTW, this entry-level Marantz CD Player uses only an EI power transformer in its PS section and not the usual toroidal trannys we find on mid-priced to high-end CDPs.
;D
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since yours is a DVD player, you might be referring to the OSD or On Screen Display feature of your player. CD Players don't have any video out jack so they cannot be hooked up to a TV or monitor. CD-Text infos only appear on the display of the CDP itself which should be a Dot Matrix Display to be more readable.
;D
Ah ok. But I must say the DVD on screen display is very useful as the CD text shows the entire tracks on a CD, their corresponding minutes and artists (in a various artist compilation) and you can jump to any selection you want. How is the cd-text displayed on a one-liner readout of a CD display?
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How is the cd-text displayed on a one-liner readout of a CD display?
it scrolls like a theater marquee
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di bale, pag may lientening session sa davao, invited kayong lahat...
baka meron pang guided tour of the surplus stores doon para sa gustong mag-uwi ng surplus gears ;D
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it scrolls like a theater marquee
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bili na! parinig ha ;D
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baka meron pang guided tour of the surplus stores doon para sa gustong mag-uwi ng surplus gears ;D
sure, sir obet...no problem...basta pag andun na ako... :D
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here's another excellent CDP from sony:
(http://www.sony.jp/ProductsPark/Models/Old/CDP-X3000_J_1/CDP-X3000.gif)
top-loading beauty! :D
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here's another excellent CDP from sony:
top-loading beauty! :D
question is if its available and how much? :)
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yup...saw one but in singapore...pre-owned would cost about Php12k converted na...thanks!
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yup...saw one but in singapore...pre-owned would cost about Php12k converted na...thanks!
ganda. pabili ng isa pre.
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parang ang sarap naman tumira dun, ganyan kaganda na cd player 12k lang, sarap imod yan ha ;D
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parang ang sarap naman tumira dun, ganyan kaganda na cd player 12k lang, sarap imod yan ha ;D
Sir yung USHER ko kaya imod mo?
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I used to have one like that a couple of years ago, its the Sony CDP 3000 ES. Bought it when I was in Japan for about 21K (everything seems to be more expensive there) but mine wasn't the ES version. Meron pa nga don CDP 5000 with the better DAC and puck. I traded it in (plus cash) for a California Audio Labs CL-15 that I saw in AV Driver. The Sony was ok, loading a cd sure was fun (kahit medyo mabusisi - bukas ng sliding glass door, tanggal ng puck), but during the AB test with the CL-15, the latter was easily more refined and had way better resolution (plus it had a pre-amp capability). As a transport only, maganda rin siguro yung Sony kasi ganda ng readout sa display, at merong optical and coaxial digital outs at the rear. Coupled with an MF A324 DAC, could be better than most integrated CD players at that price level. ;)
(http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL621/2554679/5074856/64789537.jpg)
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pioneer- hans adriane
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2nd CDP Shoot Out
entries:
Consonance Reference 2.2 - iceman90a
Rotel RCD-1072 - kimpao
Rotel RCD-02 - Bogsle
Usher CD-100 - odyopayl
NAD C521i - Garp
Rotel RCD-971 - slayer
Pioneer CDP - hans
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wow :o kung hindi top of the line, pulos tweaked itong mga entries na to ah ;D sayang cant join you guys :'( pero pwede ko ba isali ung surplus sony 701ES? just want to know how it compares with current and tweaked models...
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In case maulit sa house ni Sir Obet ang shootout, sali ko Cayin CDP.
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ako rin me ilalaban pag nagkashootout uli... >:D
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I used to have one like that a couple of years ago, its the Sony CDP 3000 ES. Bought it when I was in Japan for about 21K (everything seems to be more expensive there) but mine wasn't the ES version. Meron pa nga don CDP 5000 with the better DAC and puck. I traded it in (plus cash) for a California Audio Labs CL-15 that I saw in AV Driver. The Sony was ok, loading a cd sure was fun (kahit medyo mabusisi - bukas ng sliding glass door, tanggal ng puck), but during the AB test with the CL-15, the latter was easily more refined and had way better resolution (plus it had a pre-amp capability). As a transport only, maganda rin siguro yung Sony kasi ganda ng readout sa display, at merong optical and coaxial digital outs at the rear. Coupled with an MF A324 DAC, could be better than most integrated CD players at that price level. ;)
(http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL621/2554679/5074856/64789537.jpg)
Exactly...that sony cd player looks like a good transport and could be a better cd player with some tweaks :)
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2nd CDP Shoot Out
entries:
Consonance Reference 2.2 - iceman90a
Rotel RCD-1072 - kimpao
Rotel RCD-02 - Bogsle
Usher CD-100 - odyopayl
NAD C521i - Garp
Rotel RCD-971 - slayer
Pioneer CDP - hans
nakalimutan ata jolida ni supes. ;D
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is this for this sat at akyats place sir? what happened to the amps? i thought this is just the side show?
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main event na ang CDP... ok sana kung kasama yung cayin at jolida... pwede kaya kay sir narayan? ::) ;)
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main event na ang CDP... ok sana kung kasama yung cayin at jolida... pwede kaya kay sir narayan? ::) ;)
kaya nga pinuna ko kangina eh. nawala yung mga amp eh! dami nag-withdraw ng entries. tutal ala na yung mga makakaharap ng st kaya withdraw ko yung akin. :-\ :-\
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ano ba o kaninong amp ang gagamitin sa sat.???
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J_albert,
Balita ko volunteer ni GARP yun Amx amp nya.. pero need confirmation from him.. ;D
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main event na ang CDP... ok sana kung kasama yung cayin at jolida... pwede kaya kay sir narayan? ::) ;)
sir Akyat,
San na ba venue natin?? :)
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sa bundok pa rin mga pare, sure na yan. ;D
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masta Akyat,
Ok senor gulaman later?? OT
Senor Kimpao,
bukas mo na puntahan yan... gulaman day eh... ;D ;D OT
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Can I ask somebody with arcam cd73 T to join the shoot out. Im eyeing this cdp and want to know how it fares with the rest. Calling, calling owners. I know some have this.
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main event na ang CDP... ok sana kung kasama yung cayin at jolida... pwede kaya kay sir narayan? ::) ;)
dehins pwede this weekend bro. may lakad ako ;)
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Mga Sir dapat kasama yung Cayin ni Superman if kasama yung Consonance ni Iceman diba?
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Mga Sir dapat kasama yung Cayin ni Superman if kasama yung Consonance ni Iceman diba?
Jolida yung kay Superman bro!!
pero palagay ko hanggang wish ka na lang dyan sa dalawang CDPs na yan!!
di mo siguro mapapakinggan yan sa shoot out... ;D >:D
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Jolida yung kay Superman bro!!
pero palagay ko hanggang wish ka na lang dyan sa dalawang CDPs na yan!!
di mo siguro mapapakinggan yan sa shoot out... ;D >:D
Ganun ba? Baka namimili ng audience? Dapat mga genuine AUDIOPHILE ba? Di ba pwede Attorney o Engineer o mga Bankers etch.....man lang? hehehe By the way, how to become an Audiophile? sana may course para doon enroll ako.........Magandang thread yan a "How to be an audiophile?" or "Qualification to be a certified audiophile?"
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pero palagay ko hanggang wish ka na lang dyan sa dalawang CDPs na yan!!
di mo siguro mapapakinggan yan sa shoot out... ;D >:D
and solusyon dyan ay sa kanila gawin ung susunod na shootouts ;D
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and solusyon dyan ay sa kanila gawin ung susunod na shootouts ;D
no problem ;D ;D
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Ganun ba? Baka namimili ng audience? Dapat mga genuine AUDIOPHILE ba? Di ba pwede Attorney o Engineer o mga Bankers etch.....man lang? hehehe By the way, how to become an Audiophile? sana may course para doon enroll ako.........Magandang thread yan a "How to be an audiophile?" or "Qualification to be a certified audiophile?"
totoo ba ito? sana naman kahit di ako audiophile maka punta ko sa igloo warmer mo ;D ;D
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totoo ba ito? sana naman kahit di ako audiophile maka punta ko sa igloo warmer mo ;D ;D
ikaw pa?? - ako pa tatanggi??
anytime (basta weekend) ;D ;D
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ikaw pa?? - ako pa tatanggi??
anytime (basta weekend) ;D ;D
ayos. ;D ;D kayo naman di naman pala mailap yong consonance. thanks dre.
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ayos. ;D ;D kayo naman di naman pala mailap yong consonance. thanks dre.
tayo man siguro ang may ganitong kamahal na cd player, hindi natin basta basta ipa-pasyal sa kung saan saan...mahirap na ::)
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2nd CDP Shoot Out Results:
The pairings were as follows:
Sony 701ES vs. Yamaha CDX-620
We gave our votes on the Yamaha CDX-620 for being the more listenable CDP.
Pioneer PD-7030LTD vs. NAD C521BEE
The NAD was more defined and had an advantage on low frequency slam and extension.
Rotel RCD-971 vs. Rotel RCD-02
This match between the two similarly sounding siblings was a very close one with the RCD-971 getting a slight edge.
Rotel RCD-1072 vs. Usher CD-100
The main event of the day!! Being the most expensive CDP in the line up, the RCD-1072 surely lived up to its reputation and was picked as the best overall performer. It has a more lively performance perpetuating Rotel's energetic balance of a richer sound with imposing presence and better dynamics. The verdict on the Rotel was not a result of the panel becoming a brand victim to a more reputable manufacturer but a collective decision of a collegial body tasked with a fairly tricky duty of identifying and appreciating a better player. Had it not for that one abstention vote from Homer who felt that the Usher was a better player, the decision would have been unanimous.
;D ;D
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Sarap makinig talaga pag ganyan ang mga cd players, I was lucky to have witnessed the shootout! ;D ;D ;D
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2nd CDP Shoot Out Results:
Rotel RCD-1072 vs. Usher CD-100
The main event of the day!! Being the most expensive CDP in the line up, the RCD-1072 surely lived up to its reputation and was picked as the best overall performer. It has a more lively performance perpetuating Rotel's energetic balance of a richer sound with imposing presence and better dynamics. The verdict on the Rotel was not a result of the panel becoming a brand victim to a more reputable manufacturer but a collective decision of a collegial body tasked with a fairly tricky duty of identifying and appreciating a better player. Had it not for that one abstention vote from Homer who felt that the Usher was a better player, the decision would have been unanimous.
;D ;D
Akala ko tuloy mai-sasalang na sa buy and sell thread yung 1072 ko handa na akong gawan ng post yan eh. :o :o buti nalang! Ahahahahahahaha!!!!!... Marami-rami din lps ang mabibili ko dun kung nagka-taon! Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!!.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Don ST Kimpao, ang bilis mo naman mag desisyon! ;D ;D ;D
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Guys,
The shootout was truly nice and successfully thanks to our generous host Sir Akyatbundok.. ( free gulaman in the house!! ) as the result was consensus and it was done with fair ground kaya maganda result.. :) :)
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Thanks to AudioSlave for being brave to post the results. ;D
Hindi ba pinag-match iyong mga nanalo sa duelo?
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Thanks to AudioSlave for being brave to post the results. ;D
Boss Nels, basts't si sir audioslave "dalubhasa" yan sa mga reviews! ;D
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First I want to thank the host "Akyat" for the wonderful place & the "Gulaman" hehehe (now I know what gulaman really taste hehehe). For the groups! mabuhay kayo! and the Judge! Golden ear Audioslave himself hehehe. To Sir Kimpao ganda talaga ng player, being the flagship player of reputable ROTEL it's good & best buy, now i'm excited to compare it with the Consonance 2.2 just to know the difference (hope Iceman will allow).
Sir Hendry! sipag mo last Saturday! I want to mention the presence of Garp & Bogsle!
Mga guys now we know what's the difference between maganda at mas maganda, ok sa ok na ok hehehe!
Sir JojoD tuloy natin butingting ng player ko!
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2nd CDP Shoot Out Results:
The pairings were as follows:
Sony 701ES vs. Yamaha CDX-620
We gave our votes on the Yamaha CDX-620 for being the more listenable CDP.
Pioneer PD-7030LTD vs. NAD C521BEE
The NAD was more defined and had an advantage on low frequency slam and extension.
Rotel RCD-971 vs. Rotel RCD-02
This match between the two similarly sounding siblings was a very close one with the RCD-971 getting a slight edge.
Rotel RCD-1072 vs. Usher CD-100
The main event of the day!! Being the most expensive CDP in the line up, the RCD-1072 surely lived up to its reputation and was picked as the best overall performer. It has a more lively performance perpetuating Rotel's energetic balance of a richer sound with imposing presence and better dynamics. The verdict on the Rotel was not a result of the panel becoming a brand victim to a more reputable manufacturer but a collective decision of a collegial body tasked with a fairly tricky duty of identifying and appreciating a better player. Had it not for that one abstention vote from Homer who felt that the Usher was a better player, the decision would have been unanimous.
;D ;D
is this the majority view or personal view of audioslave?
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Sir Akyat,
Thanks very much again for accepting us and for being a wonderful host. Siguro next time mag lagay ka na ng entrance fee.
To all who's present in the shoot out nice meeting you people.
Sir Rony, ganda talaga nung amp mo tumunog. thanks for your tips and advise.
is this the majority view or personal view of audioslave?
Sir JulsP, I hate to be the antagonist, but in my own opinion they all sound very good to me, with a little edge yung Rotel 1072 ni sir Kimpao and the Yamaha (don't know who's the owner). But that's just me. Sabi nga ni Master Jojo and Hans, practice pa para ma-distinguish ko yung difference.
Abangan ko yung mga surplus na yun sa Buy&Sell section kung sakali. Sulit na sulit yang mga yan, and the built quality of Sony i would say it's awesome.
Sir Garp, ganda nga nung AMX mo, small but terible.
Wich ko lang, sana mag karoon din ako ng ST70 kamukha nung kay Sir Iceman or the EICO of sir Rony.
ang ganda talaga ng shoot-out.. very informative..
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thanks to the host and nice meeting you guys!!!!!!!
panalo yung shootout - gulaman - picha at yung late nyt show..... ;D ;D ;D very informative ;D
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yong late night show ang dapat maireview then....
so whos the brave one to post such review.....
pahiram ha!!!!
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yong late night show ang dapat maireview then....
so whos the brave one to post such review.....
Review:
Picture was crystal clear, vivid colors, screenplay was astounding, storyline was breath taking :o Definitely the film and its cast will be contenders on next year's film awards! Two thumbs up!!!!!......... Take Note: progressive scan pa!
;D ;D ;D
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Review:
Picture was crystal clear, vivid colors, screenplay was astounding, storyline was breath taking :o Definitely the film and its cast will be contenders on next year's film awards! Two thumbs up!!!!!.........
;D ;D ;D
It might sweep the oscars!!!! ;D
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right on!
thnx guys for the review...... well what can i say, this seems to be a sure fire dvd hit release.....
pahiram ha! >:D mareview din! ;D
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right on!
this seems to be a sure fire
pahiram ha! >:D mareview din! ;D
Oo Sir! Panay "fire ang nakita ko eh! Fire ng fire! Ahahahahahaha!!!!!!...... ;D ;D ;D
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kaya pala fearless views and commentaries ka sir, ala dzbb ah, diretsa arangkada! putukan pala kasi yang nireview nyo! :o
"fire in the hole!" ;D
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Sony 701ES vs. Yamaha CDX-620
We gave our votes on the Yamaha CDX-620 for being the more listenable CDP.
guys, ang swerte ko naman pareho ko nahiram ito hehehe.
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Salamat sa host... naka ilang gulaman din ako! Ahehehe... sorry have to leave early and pull-out my baby... sa uulitin mga bossing. Nice to meet the new addition to the kwela boys choir!! >:D
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o nga pala... muchos grasas sa ating host.... dami kong nainom na gulaman... mukhang iba yata lasa ng gulaman sa inyo ah... nakakahilo pala gulaman nyo, tapos nakalagay pa sa lata. :o ;D ;D
tenk yu, sir akyat... many more sessions to come...
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oo nga pala - Maraming Maraming Salamat sa ating Host: Akyatbundok - you the Man! ;D
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Eto pala pix nga mga contenders...
(http://www.phlog.net/pics/77/77ed5d08f7e241c7d75cbce6320dd4a5.jpg)
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Guys,
Next round ulit... este..
round 2 pala... Gaganda ng cdp pero overall syempre meron pinakamagaling.. ;D ;D ;D
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next round... championship match na...
Battle of the Champions....
Exposure 2010 vs. Rotel RCD-1072 vs. Consonance Reference 2.2
syempre, dayo tayo sa igloo ni iceman...
kelan natin sked, mga parekuy? ::) ;D
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Since sa south pole nakatira si iceman, mas ok yata kung meron sa atin may van para isang sasakyan nalang tapos cheap-in nalang sa gas, diba! :D
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pwede rin sir para tipid, pero pano yung mga gustong maaga umuwi. ;)
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Tapos direcho na tayo sa Los Banos tutal malapit na para makapag gulaman sa poolside o kaya akyat tayo sa hilltop >:D ;D
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In case maulit sa house ni Sir Obet ang shootout, sali ko Cayin CDP.
ano kaya dun na lang kila sir Obet para makasali yung isa pang tubed out CDP?
para ganito title ng shoot out
"best of the SS vs. best of the tubeheads" he he he
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pwede rin sir para tipid, pero pano yung mga gustong maaga umuwi. ;)
akala ko umaga umuwi, maaga pala. ;D ;D
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o kaya isali natin yung Jolida ni Superman...
Exposure 2010 vs. Jolida CD-100
Rotel RCD-1072 vs. Consonance Reference 2.2
ang pairing sa finals:
winner vs. winner
loser vs. loser
yung mga matatalo, magpapa-gulaman ;D ;D
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Sir parang mas maganda ganito:
1. Jolida VS Consonance Ref. 2.2
2. Rotel RCD 1072 VS Exposure 2010
Winner VS Winner!
Loser VS Loser!
Then Patak-patak Php 200.00 each para sa gulaman at ....................
SCHEDULE NA YAN!!!!!!!
Mga Sir pwede ba sumali?
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jun, mas ok yan line-up mo. dehado ata ako dun sa una.. ;D sir yung 200 may sasayaw na raw dyan. :o :o ;D ;D ;D
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kulitin muna natin si Superman, tsaka natin pag-usapan yung mga pairing na yan...
sali ulit Usher CD-100?? lakas talaga fighting spirit mo bro ah... he he he!
bilib ako ;D ;D ;D
modify mo ulit... baka mag-iba na tunog ::)
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Guys,
Di na ba makatiis? Oct na yan... ;D ;D ;D hehehehe wawa naman ako di pwede na this following weeks.. ;D ;D
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Just curious, when you compare, do you do Doube Blind Tests?
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Hi John5479,
Browndogs are here, I sent you PM.
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Since sa south pole nakatira si iceman, mas ok yata kung meron sa atin may van para isang sasakyan nalang tapos cheap-in nalang sa gas, diba! :D
pwede ko dalhin ung sedona pero max. 8 pax lang kaya...sabihin nyo kung kelan :D
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if the session next time would be at the igloo warmer, i may be able to join, as spectator na lang po...
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Guys,
Would like to share some of my insights with the just recent cdp shootout..
Sony 701es and Yamaha CDX-620
Sony sounded like a leader in control with presence in every note, tone was also good neutral without much coloration in the bass and mids high is somewhat a little roll off.. Yamaha a surprise player like audioslave mention a listenable player not flashy but effective..
Pioneer PD-7030LTD vs. NAD C521BEE
NAD c521bee have heared this player before (1st shootout ) and was impressed with the bass how deep it go, warm sounding but a little coloration on the mid portion last Sat NAD player was diff maybe due to the nice tweak by the owner it provided a upfront soundstage, dynamic na lessen yun warm sound pero enjoyable, nice detail mids/high good imaging compare to the stock unit.. Pioneer PD-7030LTD before the tweak i remember how harsh the mids and high... detail to the extent you'll hate it coz fatiging na ;D ;D but thanks to JOJoD hehehe... The Pioneer (Tweak) last Sat was diff provided a smooth mid/highs department with good depth and soundstage but the timing is a little slow compare to the NAD and presented a laidback sound what i notice is the singer is nicely separated infront while the instrument are at the back..
Rotel RCD02 / Rotel 971
Funny was joking the guys that they just wasted they money coz they sounded the same... ;D ;D ;D but like the 971 due to softer highs and mids..
Usher / Rotel 1072
Usher gave a good presentation big sound but cannot control its action but big big improvement compare to the 1st shootout.. 1072 hmmm what can i say winner ito.. tska mahal!! ;D ;D bwaaaaaa
Enjoy.. this is ONLY my opinion.. :) :) :) all cdp are great sounding sabi nila... parepareho lang tunog nya.. hehehehehe well its somewhat true in some but may not be true for a few. ;D ;D ;D
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Usher / Rotel 1072
Usher gave a good presentation big sound but cannot control its action but big big improvement compare to the 1st shootout.. 1072 hmmm what can i say winner ito.. tska mahal!! ;D ;D bwaaaaaa
Enjoy.. this is ONLY my opinion.. :) :) :)
Buti nalang hindi ko dinala yung remote, kundi yari nanaman ako kay kuya. ;D ;D
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Buti nalang hindi ko dinala yung remote, kundi yari nanaman ako kay kuya. ;D ;D
Senor Kimpao,
Wanna see my VCD player's remote?? heheheheh
fish fish... di bale da best sa shootout naman 1072 mo eh.. ;D
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Senor Kimpao,
Wanna see my VCD player's remote?? heheheheh
Wahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!............... :'( :'( :'(
sir baka may nakakalimutan tayo, mayroon dito naka 1070. Tahimik di nagpaparamdam. ;D ;D ;D
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Senor Kimpao,
Andun sa surplus thread nakita na raw nya yun bago kong precious pero isnab dahil sa rotel 1070.. sabagay kahit ako eh 1070 din kunin ko hehehhee
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Sir, hindi lang diyan nagtatapos ang masamang balak nyan, meron pang kasunod yan! :o :o :o
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Just curious, when you compare, do you do Doube Blind Tests?
IMHO, no need for double blind tests since two cdps were being played simultaneously using the same tracks and switching them every now and then. You would be able to hear differences from both. I believe that most of the judges were responsible enough not to be "brand victims" or even base their judgements on "price". Honestly, if i were to be asked, i found most of them great sounding although each one giving out a distinct characteristic of its own.
just my 2 cents. ;)
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jun, mas ok yan line-up mo. dehado ata ako dun sa una.. ;D sir yung 200 may sasayaw na raw dyan. :o :o ;D ;D ;D
Wow okey yan! hehehe! Yung may tube ibang category yan, just for curiosity lang para malaman pagkakaiba, malay natin pag "Round-up" di pala maganda tube output?
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kulitin muna natin si Superman, tsaka natin pag-usapan yung mga pairing na yan...
sali ulit Usher CD-100?? lakas talaga fighting spirit mo bro ah... he he he!
bilib ako ;D ;D ;D
modify mo ulit... baka mag-iba na tunog ::)
Hahaha, sir biruin mo OpAmp pa lang pinalitan ko tinatapatan na flagship ng Rotel what more pag napalitan ko na mga premium parts? hehehe
Di muna siya kasali, pag napalitan na GO GO GO USHER!
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Sayang... sana na a-b natin yung 3 Rotel. Ahehehehe... ;D
Guys,
Would like to share some of my insights with the just recent cdp shootout..
Sony 701es and Yamaha CDX-620
Sony sounded like a leader in control with presence in every note, tone was also good neutral without much coloration in the bass and mids high is somewhat a little roll off.. Yamaha a surprise player like audioslave mention a listenable player not flashy but effective..
Pioneer PD-7030LTD vs. NAD C521BEE
NAD c521bee have heared this player before (1st shootout ) and was impressed with the bass how deep it go, warm sounding but a little coloration on the mid portion last Sat NAD player was diff maybe due to the nice tweak by the owner it provided a upfront soundstage, dynamic na lessen yun warm sound pero enjoyable, nice detail mids/high good imaging compare to the stock unit.. Pioneer PD-7030LTD before the tweak i remember how harsh the mids and high... detail to the extent you'll hate it coz fatiging na ;D ;D but thanks to JOJoD hehehe... The Pioneer (Tweak) last Sat was diff provided a smooth mid/highs department with good depth and soundstage but the timing is a little slow compare to the NAD and presented a laidback sound what i notice is the singer is nicely separated infront while the instrument are at the back..
Rotel RCD02 / Rotel 971
Funny was joking the guys that they just wasted they money coz they sounded the same... ;D ;D ;D but like the 971 due to softer highs and mids..
Usher / Rotel 1072
Usher gave a good presentation big sound but cannot control its action but big big improvement compare to the 1st shootout.. 1072 hmmm what can i say winner ito.. tska mahal!! ;D ;D bwaaaaaa
Enjoy.. this is ONLY my opinion.. :) :) :) all cdp are great sounding sabi nila... parepareho lang tunog nya.. hehehehehe well its somewhat true in some but may not be true for a few. ;D ;D ;D
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masaya to ah... sna makasama na ako this time.
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Guys,
Would like to share some of my insights with the just recent cdp shootout..
Sony 701es and Yamaha CDX-620
Sony sounded like a leader in control with presence in every note, tone was also good neutral without much coloration in the bass and mids high is somewhat a little roll off.. Yamaha a surprise player like audioslave mention a listenable player not flashy but effective..
Pioneer PD-7030LTD vs. NAD C521BEE
NAD c521bee have heared this player before (1st shootout ) and was impressed with the bass how deep it go, warm sounding but a little coloration on the mid portion last Sat NAD player was diff maybe due to the nice tweak by the owner it provided a upfront soundstage, dynamic na lessen yun warm sound pero enjoyable, nice detail mids/high good imaging compare to the stock unit.. Pioneer PD-7030LTD before the tweak i remember how harsh the mids and high... detail to the extent you'll hate it coz fatiging na but thanks to JOJoD hehehe... The Pioneer (Tweak) last Sat was diff provided a smooth mid/highs department with good depth and soundstage but the timing is a little slow compare to the NAD and presented a laidback sound what i notice is the singer is nicely separated infront while the instrument are at the back..
Rotel RCD02 / Rotel 971
Funny was joking the guys that they just wasted they money coz they sounded the same... but like the 971 due to softer highs and mids..
Usher / Rotel 1072
Usher gave a good presentation big sound but cannot control its action but big big improvement compare to the 1st shootout.. 1072 hmmm what can i say winner ito.. tska mahal!! bwaaaaaa
Enjoy.. this is ONLY my opinion.. all cdp are great sounding sabi nila... parepareho lang tunog nya.. hehehehehe well its somewhat true in some but may not be true for a few.
good review sir... very detailed, parang cdp din.
hahaha.
appreciate it, as i wasnt in attendance during this event.
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if the jolida is still with me during the next session at iceman's igloo warmer, then i may be able to bring it...that is if nasa akin pa...if not, i'll just be a spectator...thanks and God bless! 8)
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san ba tutungo jolida mo sir?
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it will go to a friend...soon...i don't have gears anymore... 8)
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tlaga sir? you have sold most of year gears na here? in preparation to moving out from the city ba? sayang yong set-up mo sir ah.
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partly doing that already...thanks attorney! 8)
madali namang bumalik sa audio...makakahintay naman yan...thanks!
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Guys,
Would like to share some of my insights with the just recent cdp shootout..
Sony 701es and Yamaha CDX-620
Sony sounded like a leader in control with presence in every note, tone was also good neutral without much coloration in the bass and mids high is somewhat a little roll off.. Yamaha a surprise player like audioslave mention a listenable player not flashy but effective..
i have both CDP's at home (borrowed from the owners)..... they're almost identical, both very good.... yamaha has the edge when using a passive preamp because it is bouncier, strings and drums seem to have slightly more impact..... but when using an active preamp the (ever so slight) edge switches to the sony, i find it more pleasing to listen to, probably because of the smooth mids & highs..... i decided to dispose my old LED-less denon CDP for P150 because i had been playing the sony since the night before, so i guess that makes my denon the leader in price/performance huh?
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Uy, CDP worth P150 :o. sana po sa akin mo na lang inalok. Doblehin ko pa presyo.
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sir nels,
Sorry nasa akin na ;D ;D
Best buy talaga !! :o ;D
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Nels,
Suwerte ni BGa galing magabang ng best buy!!
Akyat,
Bait ng owners ng Sony and Yamaha.. sana ako din ma home audition?? ;D ;D ;D
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Nels,
Akyat,
Bait ng owners ng Sony and Yamaha.. sana ako din ma home audition?? ;D ;D ;D
pabalik na ung sony sa may-ari...miss na miss na...babysit lang kay akyat dahil hindi naka attend ng shootout ;D ;D ;D
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but when using an active preamp the (ever so slight) edge switches to the sony, i find it more pleasing to listen to, probably because of the smooth mids & highs.....
haaay buti na lang am using an active preamp kahit solid state...otherwise, baka na post na ito ;D
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(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid140/p384f6529bd6286e19f103caf2eac9ca3/f6ecfabb.jpg)
here's what happened after the shoot out....
bukasan ng CD Players ;D ;D ;D
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swerte mo sir bga, congrats dyan... its a one of a kind cdp.... very unique, panalo pa yn sa sound! ;D
ayos pala mga preamp n yan ah pang cdps...
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oist... mga anong cdps yan sir binuksan?
1072 ba yang nsa front? ganda ng loob ah!
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haaay buti na lang am using an active preamp kahit solid state...otherwise, baka na post na ito ;D
me and my big mouth ;D ;D ;D ;D
more on your sony: i noticed last night it has a bit more body with vocals and its overall balance is very natural and for lack of a better word, delicate...... the treble is different from the other sony ES's, its more mellow...... btw, the internal parts are also top-notch pwedeng-pwede kahuyin, pwede ko kunan ng pics mamaya?
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Master,
Looks like the rcd-02.
oist... mga anong cdps yan sir binuksan?
1072 ba yang nsa front? ganda ng loob ah!
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(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid140/p384f6529bd6286e19f103caf2eac9ca3/f6ecfabb.jpg)
here's what happened after the shoot out....
bukasan ng CD Players ;D ;D ;D
Parang sa Drag racing ha.
Bukasan ng Hood.
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(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid140/p384f6529bd6286e19f103caf2eac9ca3/f6ecfabb.jpg)
The CD Player from the left is SONY (Narayan?)
Right is Rotel RCD-02 (Bogsle)
Top is USHER CD-100 (mine.......see daming space for upgrade hehehe!)
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i see.... 02 pala. looks like his yopunger brother then kasi from the top....
sir akyat,
yan kasi review k ng review....... sayang my kapalit n sana si denon mo! ahihihi.
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hanep ah, parang service center ng electronics sa greenhills...you guys are not only listeners, even the technicals alam na alam niyo na, galing, congrats!...buti pa kayo, huhuhu!
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OT: Mga pards meron bang marunong mag calibrate/align ng dvd player lens?I'm assuming its like a cd player lang?Namimili na ng suking dvds yong player ko.Sa cd player ba pag nag skip na ang mga cds and di na makuha sa linis eh you guys tamper with the alignment of the lens track?
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(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid140/p384f6529bd6286e19f103caf2eac9ca3/f6ecfabb.jpg)
here's what happened after the shoot out....
bukasan ng CD Players ;D ;D ;D
ahaaa! unauthorized tampering will void the international warranty ;D laban ako ng pustahan na pinaka-siksik ang loob ng 701es dahil sobrang bigat :D
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me and my big mouth ;D ;D ;D ;D
more on your sony: i noticed last night it has a bit more body with vocals and its overall balance is very natural and for lack of a better word, delicate...... the treble is different from the other sony ES's, its more mellow...... btw, the internal parts are also top-notch pwedeng-pwede kahuyin, pwede ko kunan ng pics mamaya?
no problem kunan ng pics-kahit anong pose pwede ;D so you now understand the reason why that unit will likely stay with me for sometime doing alternate service sa aking old but still very reliable rotel... :D
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ahaaa! unauthorized tampering will void the international warranty ;D laban ako ng pustahan na pinaka-siksik ang loob ng 701es dahil sobrang bigat :D
sigurado panalo yung Sony mo sir. I've seen it..all I can say is... wow! siksik sa parts. mukha talagang high-end....
Just don't know against the Yamaha na nandoon. mukhang siksik din eh..
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hi again guys!
in the recent posts here especially during the CD player shootout, i noticed that a good number of you here are planning to purchase an opera audio M100+ integrated amplifier...well, well, well...here's good news for all of you...from a reliable source, an audio store in singapore is closing down...and the owner is selling these babies at only S$ 900.00 (converted to peso is around Php 27,000 to Php 30,000)...if you know of someone from singapore, let them check out the store...i think 3 more days for the closing down sale...here's the address:
ZEPPELIN AUDIO
#02-02 Bukit Timah Plaza
Tel: 6462 5137, 9736 7147
they also have other items on sale...
thanks, God bless!
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ahaaa! unauthorized tampering will void the international warranty ;D laban ako ng pustahan na pinaka-siksik ang loob ng 701es dahil sobrang bigat :D
oo nga di na magkasya sa loob kaya nilabas na yong xformer
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wala nag review don sa shoot out a dami pa naman serious nong dumating ako >:D >:D magsalita kayo !!!! ano masasabi nyo sa mga nakahain cdp noon???? >:D >:D >:D panay bulungan lang >:D >:D >:D
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We made a separate review & comparison between Rotel RCD-1072 & the USHER CD-100 together with my friend who owned a Rotel with the above Model ( He is also a very critical listener like Audioslave & can distinguished the slight difference between a good copy of audiophile CD & the original one). It is one-on-one comparison, just to keep away from bias position, I let him make his own review. I will post his review as soon as I received it.
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wala nag review don sa shoot out a dami pa naman serious nong dumating ako >:D >:D magsalita kayo !!!! ano masasabi nyo sa mga nakahain cdp noon???? >:D >:D >:D panay bulungan lang >:D >:D >:D no hold barred
oo nga naman...lets have more of your personal insights...anyway, sa pandinig nyo naman yan :D
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J_albert,
Naku... please post your UNBIASED insights na kasi... ;D ;D
Late ka kasi eh.. ;) ;) ;)
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We made a separate review & comparison between Rotel RCD-1072 & the USHER CD-100 together with my friend who owned a Rotel with the above Model ( He is also a very critical listener like Audioslave & can distinguished the slight difference between a good copy of audiophile CD & the original one). It is one-on-one comparison, just to keep away from bias position, I let him make his own review. I will post his review as soon as I received it.
Pre post na ng review about last shootout.. ;D ;D
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mga guru, makisingit na po ako... ;D i notice na laging pinag-uusap ang DAC pag cd player audio quality ??? is this really essential?? paano kung digital optical out ng cd player ang gamit mo? no value na ang DAC... :P
need ur help... thanks.
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maglite,
ganito lang yun parekuy, kapag analog output ang ginamit mo sa CD Player mo papuntang line input ng amp mo o analog CD input ng receiver mo, ang DAC ng CD Player mo ang gumagana. Pero kapag ginamit mo naman yung digital out (na maaring co-axial o optical) ng CD Player mo papuntang digital in ng amp o receiver mo, yung DAC naman ng amp o receiver mo ang gagana. magiging transport medium na lang yung CD Player mo pag digital out ang ginamit mong connection. ;)
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J_albert,
Naku... please post your UNBIASED insights na kasi... ;D ;D
Late ka kasi eh.. ;) ;) ;)
kaya nga di ako nagpopost e ;D ;D kc di ko lahat napakinggan >:D
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Thanks audioslave. ;)
Further clarification... lets say you're using a good audio quality receiver w/ good DAC! it would not make much difference even using generic player(using digital-out). ???
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some people would argue (a hobby for some folks ;D) that the transport (player using digital connections) plays as big a role as the DAC in music playback...
i suggest you try it for yourself, play a cd using a dvd player via digital out, try another dvd player using the same connections - and a cd player as well - try and see if you hear the difference
for cd player vs dvd player in audio playback - i think there is another thread on the topic already :)
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Thanks audioslave. ;)
Further clarification... lets say you're using a good audio quality receiver w/ good DAC! it would not make much difference even using generic player(using digital-out). ???
Technically speaking (tech is my hobby, but I wouldn't argue like iceman said ;D), you could be correct in a certain point of view. But generic players with digiout should work in the case of your example. ;D
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Thanks audioslave. ;)
Further clarification... lets say you're using a good audio quality receiver w/ good DAC! it would not make much difference even using generic player(using digital-out). ???
The cost of CD player doesn't focus on the Digital to Analog Coverter (DAC). The Transport plays also a major role. CD Transport can measure how well it is if it reads your Software no matter how the recording was made. Quality also depends on the sampling rate etch..... A good transport can read and perform well on your most scratch Cd's which is already rejected by your DVD or regular CD players. just my 5 cents
It should also plays CD-R , CD-RW and P........mediums.
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it boils down to this next pressing question: which part of the CD Player is the most important in the hierarchy? is it the transport, the DAC chip, the power supply unit, etc? which of these components can give or impart the so called "edge" or "x-factor" in a CD Player? ::)
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IMHO, the opamp should be considered first because it is the so-called "interpreter" of the player. a good cd transport is only limited (am not sure ;D) on how fast he can read cd formats while the DAC is simply the converter.
In a series of upgrades, opamp is the first one to be modified.
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IMHO its the power supply first :) if the power supply is ok then you might opt to change the opamp next. But, make sure the opamp you switch is compatible or has the same voltage requirements with the one you are replacing it with.
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IMHO its the power supply first :) if the power supply is ok then you might opt to change the opamp next. But, make sure the opamp you switch is compatible or has the same voltage requirements with the one you are replacing it with.
I think what separates the good from merely average cd players is in controlling jitter. IMHO everything else is secondary to that.
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Re: Jitter, what should be the ideal range? My next question will be...in a cd player what change aside from dampening(damping?) the chassis et al will result in significant reduction of jitter?
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Ayan na, jitter na ang pinaguusapan.... we are way beyond DACs and opamps now.
Garp, isama mo na din yun pickup gain and offset control correction. ;D
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Ayan na, jitter na ang pinaguusapan.... we are way beyond DACs and opamps now.
Garp, isama mo na din yun pickup gain and offset control correction. ;D
hhmmm.... galing talaga dto at maraming matututunan... ;D :)
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Ayan na, jitter na ang pinaguusapan.... we are way beyond DACs and opamps now.
Garp, isama mo na din yun pickup gain and offset control correction. ;D
sama mo na rin focus adjustmnet ;D ;D
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IMHO, the opamp should be considered first because it is the so-called "interpreter" of the player. a good cd transport is only limited (am not sure ;D) on how fast he can read cd formats while the DAC is simply the converter.
In a series of upgrades, opamp is the first one to be modified.
OK lets put it this way, the basic part of the CD player is the CD Transport & the DAC. That's why in a true high-end system hiwalay ang dalawang ito.
Mid-end set-up usually we are using CD player where both CD transport & DAC are already in the package. You cannot upgrade your transport because it is custom fit to any brand of players so you don't have any choice but to change/opgrade both OP-amp & power supply.
You are right me also believe that OP-amp is the 1st part to upgrade below are my list:
1. OP-amp
2. Power supply (Both the diodes & Capacitors)
3. All Capacitors must change with premium one
4. Resistors, change them with precission one
5. RCA connectors
Sir JojoD, John & Garp can you post your list of upgrades start from your priority.
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WOW!!! very educational na ang topic na to ah, mukhang d na listeners lang andidito, electronic experts pa!
Tindi!!!
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wanderlust,
Dami pala papalitan hehehehehe... kaya ako surplus na high end model para completo na mura pa.. ;D ;D
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kaya ikaw idol namin pagdating dyan ;D
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Dami pala papalitan hehehehehe... kaya ako surplus na high end model para completo na mura pa.. ;D ;D
kasama mo ako dyan ;D
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wanderlust,
Dami pala papalitan hehehehehe... kaya ako surplus na high end model para completo na mura pa.. ;D ;D
Most of the high-end electronic gears have premium parts, ang kagandahan especially if you are DIY'er step-by-step nakikita mo improvements, unlike surplus you always start with the scratch (Pag ayaw mo tunog dispose mo wala ka na reference)....hehehe! Fish tayo mga sir!
Seriously mga sir ganun talaga you need to replace cheap parts lang naman. I am not anti-surplus the truth i have one. pinakamaganda sa lahat kung saan ka maligaya!
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odyopayl,
kahit naman surplus lang yan kayang pantayan ang tunog nyan ;D if you replace those premium parts, at least pag nasira di masakit sa bulsa ;D
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Most of the high-end electronic gears have premium parts, ang kagandahan especially if you are DIY'er step-by-step nakikita mo improvements, unlike surplus you always start with the scratch (Pag ayaw mo tunog dispose mo wala ka na reference)....hehehe! Fish tayo mga sir!
Seriously mga sir ganun talaga you need to replace cheap parts lang naman. I am not anti-surplus the truth i have one. pinakamaganda sa lahat kung saan ka maligaya!
Bro surplus cdp are the best for your DIY tweaks aside from cheap eh maraming available.. tsaka your right not all surplus cdp are with good parts pero meron din naka boutique parts and caps na.. like Sony 701es and my Pioneer... but syempre medyo out dated na yun for sure meron ng newer version ng parts like Opamp..kaya dyan papasok DIY na..
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yun sony 701es ni narayan surplus yun pero mukhang premium ang parts kaso luma na hehehe.
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/es1.jpg)
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/es2.jpg)
sarap kahuyin. ;D
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akyat,
Dami ba parts?? baka pwede pa para sa isang cdp?? ;D ;D remember my Pioneer naka cooper chassis and casing pa.. ;D ;D
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onga sir kaso 1984 pa pala yun graduate na siya sir hinde lang daisy kundi veinte anyos na...... malaki nga ba ang improvement sa technology ng mga transport, DAC at opamps since then? baka kasi parang sa tube amps yan wala sa edad kundi sa implementation nagkakatalo? meron pa bumabalik sa non-oversampling.
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akyat, congrats sa bago mong.... (di ko sasabihin!) :D
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akyat, congrats sa bago mong.... (di ko sasabihin!) :D
huhulaan ko...ung pinaka huling gear na dinispose ni supe ::) ;D
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huhulaan ko...ung pinaka huling gear na dinispose ni supe ::) ;D
jolida na cd player ba?
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Yung reserve agad ba sir obet ;D :P
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Anak ng tokwa... mukhang Jolida ito ah... impossibleng amx preamp dahil meron na siya... unless gusto niya ng 3 input. ;D
akyat, congrats sa bago mong.... (di ko sasabihin!) :D
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Sir Akyat Congrats meron ka na Jolina........este Jolida hehehehe
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kayo talaga, na-post ko na yung bago kong laruan sa kabilang thread, pero hinde jolina yun, sa pangarap ko lang yun jolina hehehe.
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Sir Akyat,
Bawal yan si JOlina minor pa... ;D ;D ;D
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ano kaya to?
kahit na d ko alam sir akyat... congrats pa rin! ;D
pero tingin ko cdp to, e cdp topic dito e. hehehe >:D
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kayo talaga, na-post ko na yung bago kong laruan sa kabilang thread, pero hinde jolina yun, sa pangarap ko lang yun jolina hehehe.
uy, may new CDP si akyat.... congrats, sir...
isali na natin Jolida mo sa "Battle of the Champions" CDP Shootout >:D
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uy, may new CDP si akyat.... congrats, sir...
isali na natin Jolida mo sa "Battle of the Champions" CDP Shootout >:D
OK Kumpleto na line-up!
1. Consonance VS Jolida
2. Exposure VS Rotel RCD 1072
Schedule na mga Sir!
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Sir Akyat,
Bawal yan si JOlina minor pa... ;D ;D ;D
naku, matinding bagong toy pala ni akyat ah!!! ;D
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pre yung jolida...................este jolina nyan may progressive scan pa! :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D
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osige ilalaban ko ang bagong toy ko sa pagbasa ng gasgas na DVD hehehehe.
eto na ang lineup:
1. Consonance VS Jolina (Skyworth DVD-3250) ;D >:D ;D >:D bwahahaha
2. Exposure VS Rotel RCD 1072
basta DVD gamitin natin bala ha ;D ;D pwede rin CD pero DIVX ang format hehe ;D ;D
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osige ilalaban ko ang bagong toy ko sa "Battle of Champions"..... sa pagbasa ng gasgas na DVD hehehehe.
eto na ang lineup:
1. Consonance VS Jolina (Skyworth DVD-3250) ;D >:D ;D >:D bwahahaha
2. Exposure VS Rotel RCD 1072
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!............... Sa JOLINA ako dahil hindi kaya ng Consonance ang progressive scan, dts, dts es, dolby digital, dolby pro logic, dvd, vcd, cd, mpeg at jpeg!!!!!!!!!!............... ;D ;D ;D
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mamamia DVD vs tube CD player... tapos DVD disc gamit ayos yan.. ;D ;D
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kuya,
susuotan daw ni boss akyat yung JOLINA niya ng "tube" (kaya pala nasa ladies section ng department store kagabi) para maging "Tubed DVD player vs Tube CD Player"......... Ahahahahahaha...... ;D ;D ;D ;D
boss akyat, fish po tayoooooooooo!!!!!!!!........ ;D ;D
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nyehehehe..... OT: di ba kayo curious kung anong parts nakalagay sa mga generic players? kukunan ko para patingin kay mastah Joe-D kung pwede ma-tweak ang output stage.
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Sir Akyat,
Ok yan kaso remind kita baka ma void warranty mo sayang.. ;D ;D
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onga no, tignan ko muna kung may warranty seal bago ko buksan..... sana di na sila gumastos ng seal/tape kasi dagdag lang yun sa manufacturing cost hehehe.
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e d kung ganon e kay jolina nako!
tweaked na dvd pa labanan.... walang panama 1072 ni kuya kim nyan.
ahihihi. pupusta pa ako.
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e d kung ganon e kay jolina nako!
tweaked na dvd pa labanan.... walang pamana 1072 ni kuya kim nyan.
ahihihi. pupusta pa ako.
pre kahit sumakay pa ako sa 1072 ko! dun pa rin ako sa jolina!.......... Malufet na!!!!..... :o :o :o :o Mura pa!!!!!..... :D :D :D :D
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We made a separate review & comparison between Rotel RCD-1072 & the USHER CD-100 together with my friend who owned a Rotel with the above Model ( He is also a very critical listener like Audioslave & can distinguished the slight difference between a good copy of audiophile CD & the original one). It is one-on-one comparison, just to keep away from bias position, I let him make his own review. I will post his review as soon as I received it.
"This is my own review for the two CD player USHER CD-100 (odyopayl) & my ROTEL RCD-1072" This is one-on-one comparison of the two player:
I dug out "Barbados" performed by Arne Domnerus and colleagues from Jazz at the Pawnshop. The sounds of the Cymbal on this cut were mellower and smoother with not as much flange as the Rotel. The edge on strings was softened. The Rotel offered a different sound on strings. The sound was bigger and more open, but with more edge from this recording.
Using another XRCD, I listened to Esther Ofarims singing "Kinderspiele" The USHER sounded softer than Rotel. The voice was smaller, but pretty well integrated with the the sound field. The USHER offered bigger soundstage but not as big as Rotel and more depth. Voice was bigger, more delicate, and quicker sounding. There was more reverberation present and more sense of space when listening thru the Rotel, but the USHER offered a slightly more natural vocal presentation.
I got an idea to see how the players fared with a not-so-good recording. I dropped in"You are the sunshine of my life" from the "Only Fonta" Axis Jazz Empire The USHER delivered a slightly toned down quality on this cut, but voice was very appealing. Again the Rotel had more space and more sound overall. With bad recordings this may be too much of a normally good thing. There was a definite tradeoff between losing a little resolution (especially spatially) compared the feeling that the music had an etched quality to it.
Talking about the pocket, for the price USHER is less than 20K it's a BEST Buy, not to mention some more space for improvement and commercially available upgrades.
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Master Odyopayl,
Sana na AB natin sa 971 and 02. 02 being at par with the Usher in terms of price... having its performance against the 1072... i would say bang for the buck yan being < 20k ang price. Congrats on your Usher CDP! ;D
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Master Odyopayl,
Sana na AB natin sa 971 and 02. 02 being at par with the Usher in terms of price... having its performance against the 1072... i would say bang for the buck yan being < 20k ang price. Congrats on your Usher CDP! ;D
Pwede rin sir, we already AB it with the NAD 542 of Audioslave. BTW, I've heard that Archt'l. Audio will carry USHER CD Player for less than 20K?
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nyehehehe..... OT: di ba kayo curious kung anong parts nakalagay sa mga generic players? kukunan ko para patingin kay mastah Joe-D kung pwede ma-tweak ang output stage.
hehe buksan na natin yan nang malaman kung opamp o dsp ang output stage nyan hehe
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pre kahit sumakay pa ako sa 1072 ko! dun pa rin ako sa jolina!.......... Malufet na!!!!..... :o :o :o :o Mura pa!!!!!..... :D :D :D :D
pre showbiz ka na pala ngayon ;D ;D
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Most of the high-end electronic gears have premium parts, ang kagandahan especially if you are DIY'er step-by-step nakikita mo improvements, unlike surplus you always start with the scratch (Pag ayaw mo tunog dispose mo wala ka na reference)....hehehe! Fish tayo mga sir!
Seriously mga sir ganun talaga you need to replace cheap parts lang naman. I am not anti-surplus the truth i have one. pinakamaganda sa lahat kung saan ka maligaya!
Just curious, kung hi-end na cdp mo, bakit kailangan mo pa i-upgrade yun parts? Diba naisip nun designer na hi-end yun design so dapat premium yun parts? Besides, as a diyer, I am not impressed with some of the hi-end cdps that we have opened either. Others have premium parts, while others don't.
Anyway, baka humaba pa. ;D Like you, I don't see anything wrong with brand new or surplus, yun nga lang yun surplus mas mura.
Cheers!
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Jojo's tip:
The best approach in upgrading "any audio electronics" is to study the circuit, learn how it works, why it sounds like that, which part or parts dictates sonics. Gentlemen (any ladies?), the best weapon in this hobby is knowledge.
Common practice of diyers here is to change opamps, caps, bypass caps etc, and then you end up changing everything. Some websites even change the main supply caps because "1000uf lang?!? eh" let's change it to 4,700uf. Then what? Do you gain anything? Have you even considered the PSRR? Refining ripple won't give you any improvement if the PSRR is way beyond specs. That just won't cut it.
As an example, take an opamp specifically designed for audio then use it and exploit it, push it to it's limits, squeeze the darn thing until it sounds good, find the best possible configuration for it to sound it's best. Remember, an opamp works because of resistance in it's feedback, without it, an opamp behaves like a piece of wire with a gain of 1! Too much of it and you approach it's open loop gain and you lose bandwidth.
Study how the circuit works and exploit it!
HTH,
JojoD
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Jojo's tip:
The best approach in upgrading "any audio electronics" is to study the circuit, learn how it works, why it sounds like that, which part or parts dictates sonics. Gentlemen (any ladies?), the best weapon in this hobby is knowledge.
Common practice of diyers here is to change opamps, caps, bypass caps etc, and then you end up changing everything. Some websites even change the main supply caps because "1000uf lang?!? eh" let's change it to 4,700uf. Then what? Do you gain anything? Have you even considered the PSRR? Refining ripple won't give you any improvement if the PSRR is way beyond specs. That just won't cut it.
As an example, take an opamp specifically designed for audio then use it and exploit it, push it to it's limits, squeeze the darn thing until it sounds good, find the best possible configuration for it to sound it's best. Remember, an opamp works because of resistance in it's feedback, without it, an opamp behaves like a piece of wire with a gain of 1! Too much of it and you approach it's open loop gain and you lose bandwidth.
Study how the circuit works and exploit it!
HTH,
JojoD
galing talaga ni master JJ ;D ;D ;D pwede ka bang magconduct nang lecture ;D ;D
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galing talaga ni master JJ ;D ;D ;D pwede ka bang magconduct nang lecture ;D ;D
pre, dapat hindi lecture ang ibigay sa iyo, sermon. ahehehehehe..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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pre, dapat hindi lecture ang ibigay sa iyo, sermon. ahehehehehe..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
nge bakit naman :'( :'( :'( kc pag ako ang gumalaw lalong naccra >:D >:D >:D ganon ba
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Ahahahahaha!!!!........
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Ahahahahaha!!!!........
kaw naman nagkataon lang hehehehe
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Jojo's tip:
The best approach in upgrading "any audio electronics" is to study the circuit, learn how it works, why it sounds like that, which part or parts dictates sonics. Gentlemen (any ladies?), the best weapon in this hobby is knowledge.
HTH,
JojoD
this is OT, but i hope you put up your own audio company. babakas ako sa equity. palagay ko maraming gusto ring sumali dito. tapos ipa-lista natin sa stock exchange, IPO agad para times 10 ang pera natin in one year. keep on sharing your knowledge on how to improve the sound of our CDPs, bihira ang taong tulad mo master!
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all praises sir master jj........... you are trully a guru!
sir jo, i agree with sir sandawas proposal, why dont we make it official? i commit myself to do all the paper works ;D
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ok yan, para maofficialize na ang JD labs hehe ;D
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pre, dapat hindi lecture ang ibigay sa iyo, sermon. ahehehehehe..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Palo sa puwet pwede pa... hehehehehe
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Jojo's tip:
The best approach in upgrading "any audio electronics" is to study the circuit, learn how it works, why it sounds like that, which part or parts dictates sonics. Gentlemen (any ladies?), the best weapon in this hobby is knowledge.
Common practice of diyers here is to change opamps, caps, bypass caps etc, and then you end up changing everything. Some websites even change the main supply caps because "1000uf lang?!? eh" let's change it to 4,700uf. Then what? Do you gain anything? Have you even considered the PSRR? Refining ripple won't give you any improvement if the PSRR is way beyond specs. That just won't cut it.
As an example, take an opamp specifically designed for audio then use it and exploit it, push it to it's limits, squeeze the darn thing until it sounds good, find the best possible configuration for it to sound it's best. Remember, an opamp works because of resistance in it's feedback, without it, an opamp behaves like a piece of wire with a gain of 1! Too much of it and you approach it's open loop gain and you lose bandwidth.
Study how the circuit works and exploit it!
HTH,
JojoD
Approved!! Masta Doc JOJOd.. galing mo magopera!!
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Guys,
Thanks for all the praises. Just want to help others decide where to start.
wanderlust and sandawa,
I'll try to keep this a non-profit organization for the time being but thank you very much for the offer to help. ;)
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galing talaga ni master JJ ;D ;D ;D pwede ka bang magconduct nang lecture ;D ;D
basta solid state and over gulaman pwede. ;D kunyari ka pa eh ang galing-galing mo sa kalikot! ;D ;D ;D
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Most of the high-end electronic gears have premium parts, ang kagandahan especially if you are DIY'er step-by-step nakikita mo improvements, unlike surplus you always start with the scratch (Pag ayaw mo tunog dispose mo wala ka na reference)....hehehe! Fish tayo mga sir!
Seriously mga sir ganun talaga you need to replace cheap parts lang naman. I am not anti-surplus the truth i have one. pinakamaganda sa lahat kung saan ka maligaya!
but how come most attendees in the initial cdp shootout had these results :
1. Exposure 2010
2. Rotel 1070
3. Sony and Denon 1015 (surplus and not tweaked, just don't know the exact model of the sony but i think this was a mid entry model the Denon was the top of the line model back then)
does this mean that both have cheap parts? I'm not really a "DIY electronics buff", for me IMHO, my take here is how the parts were implemented, whether it being cheap or boutique parts, in the circuit which somehow means more logical than simply just "slapping-in" boutique parts in a stock circuit.
Jojo's tip:
The best approach in upgrading "any audio electronics" is to study the circuit, learn how it works, why it sounds like that, which part or parts dictates sonics. Gentlemen (any ladies?), the best weapon in this hobby is knowledge.
Common practice of diyers here is to change opamps, caps, bypass caps etc, and then you end up changing everything. Some websites even change the main supply caps because "1000uf lang?!? eh" let's change it to 4,700uf. Then what? Do you gain anything? Have you even considered the PSRR? Refining ripple won't give you any improvement if the PSRR is way beyond specs. That just won't cut it.
As an example, take an opamp specifically designed for audio then use it and exploit it, push it to it's limits, squeeze the darn thing until it sounds good, find the best possible configuration for it to sound it's best. Remember, an opamp works because of resistance in it's feedback, without it, an opamp behaves like a piece of wire with a gain of 1! Too much of it and you approach it's open loop gain and you lose bandwidth.
Study how the circuit works and exploit it!
HTH,
JojoD
I find this very logical and abundant in sense 8)
Just curious, kung hi-end na cdp mo, bakit kailangan mo pa i-upgrade yun parts? Diba naisip nun designer na hi-end yun design so dapat premium yun parts? Besides, as a diyer, I am not impressed with some of the hi-end cdps that we have opened either. Others have premium parts, while others don't.
Anyway, baka humaba pa. ;D Like you, I don't see anything wrong with brand new or surplus, yun nga lang yun surplus mas mura.
Cheers!
shoot out uli!!!.........shoot out uli!!!.........shoot out uli!!!.........shoot out uli!!!.........shoot out uli!!!.........shoot out uli!!!.........
Master Odyopayl,
Sana na AB natin sa 971 and 02. 02 being at par with the Usher in terms of price...
A classic example; stock RCD971 and a tweaked RCD02. both yielded almost the same results were the 971 was favorble above the 02 with just a slight difference. price point, the 02 is priced much higher than the 971 and that the 971 was an older model. my point here is that one needs to understand the whole circuit and how it was implement and what parts only needs to be replaced. Am I making sense here, or not? ::)
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if the circuit is basically good, kahit hindi botique parts, ok na sound nyan. Changing to botique parts would only enhance it. But if the circuit is flawed, then botique parts just wont do.
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but how come most attendees in the initial cdp shootout had these results :
1. Exposure 2010
2. Rotel 1070
3. Sony and Denon 1015
(surplus and not tweaked, just don't know the exact model of the sony but i think this was a mid entry model the Denon was the top of the line model back then)
does this mean that both have cheap parts? I'm not really a "DIY electronics buff", for me IMHO, my take here is how the parts were implemented, whether it being cheap or boutique parts, in the circuit which somehow means more logical than simply just "slapping-in" boutique parts in a stock circuit.
Hahaha what is this? I'm not talking about surplus players have cheap parts! We're talking about "Tweak". It doesn't matter if your CD player is a surpluss or Flagship model what we are talking about is what we need replace in order get the best on our CD players, I bet even your CD players still have room for improvement.
Just curious, kung hi-end na cdp mo, bakit kailangan mo pa i-upgrade yun parts? Diba naisip nun designer na hi-end yun design so dapat premium yun parts?
- High-end? need to be specific? What is high-end for me might night high-end for the others. (Example: my high-end DAC for me is DCS Elgar Ring or Krell CD transport just an example (IMO)
Me too..i don't see anything wrong with the Surplus & Brandnew player, but I can see & hear difference, Fish tayo sir JojoD
A classic example; stock RCD971 and a tweaked RCD02. both yielded almost the same results were the 971 was favorble above the 02 with just a slight difference. price point, the 02 is priced much higher than the 971 and that the 971 was an older model. my point here is that one needs to understand the whole circuit and how it was implement and what parts only needs to be replaced. Am I making sense here, or not?
- You're right,I agree but DIY is also a sort of experiment not all tweak (Can I call it tweak?) might result positive results. But the essense of being a DIY'er is learning and the fulfillment it brings to you once you succeed right Mr. Jojo?
if the circuit is basically good, kahit hindi botique parts, ok na sound nyan. Changing to botique parts would only enhance it
- You're bsolutely correct sir John but that's very General!
As what I have said, Good sound is a matter of individual preference, what is good for me might not good for you. A surpluss or a brandnew CD player is your choice, again kung saan ka masaya!
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if only i am learnt in the ways of the DIYers.... i however find the arguments raised very enlightining, wish i could put into practice what i am learning....
kaya lang naka masira ko lang! wag na, pagawa n lang ako kay maste j!
shoot out uli!!!.........shoot out uli!!!.........shoot out uli!!!.........shoot out uli!!!.........shoot out uli!!!.........shoot out uli!!!.........
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Guys,
Surplus cdp are a bunch of old models units from entry to high end level its up to you to decide and choose your brand/model.. kaya when scouting for surplus cdp i make sure that i get the highest model possible i always ask them to open the player to check the condition of the parts if its boutique parts or not syempre yun condition whole unit.. pero since old this doesn't mean pangit sound like the Sony 701ES top of the line model pangit sound.. I doubt!!
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Most of the high-end electronic gears have premium parts, ang kagandahan especially if you are DIY'er step-by-step nakikita mo improvements, unlike surplus you always start with the scratch (Pag ayaw mo tunog dispose mo wala ka na reference)....hehehe! Fish tayo mga sir!
Seriously mga sir ganun talaga you need to replace cheap parts lang naman. I am not anti-surplus the truth i have one. pinakamaganda sa lahat kung saan ka maligaya!
Pre meron Top of the line SURPLUS cdp.. flagship model walang premium parts.. ;D ;D ;D
I doubt!! bossing O0
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;D ;D ;D SHOOT OUT ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D SHOOT OUT ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D A Y A W KO NA!! hehehehe ;D ;D ;D
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Pre meron Top of the line SURPLUS cdp.. flagship model walang premium parts.. ;D ;D ;D
I doubt!! bossing O0
Ganun ba? But don't limit premium parts to Capacitors & DAC's...Yub I doubt na walang premium parts 'yung flagship model na yan....hehehe fish Sir Hans!
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- High-end? need to be specific? What is high-end for me might night high-end for the others. (Example: my high-end DAC for me is DCS Elgar Ring or Krell CD transport just an example (IMO)
Me too..i don't see anything wrong with the Surplus & Brandnew player, but I can see & hear difference, Fish tayo sir JojoD
A classic example; stock RCD971 and a tweaked RCD02. both yielded almost the same results were the 971 was favorble above the 02 with just a slight difference. price point, the 02 is priced much higher than the 971 and that the 971 was an older model. my point here is that one needs to understand the whole circuit and how it was implement and what parts only needs to be replaced. Am I making sense here, or not?
- You're right,I agree but DIY is also a sort of experiment not all tweak (Can I call it tweak?) might result positive results. But the essense of being a DIY'er is learning and the fulfillment it brings to you once you succeed right Mr. Jojo?
Sir,
We (you and I) are not arguing, we are just clarifying. Kaya fish talaga tayo dyan. ;D
In some ways I agree with the tweak being an experiment, yes, it is an intelligent guess, a hypothesis if you may but it must be backed-up with science and math, in order to end up with a starting point. This is one of the rare moments when the "end" meets "start". ;D
Happy DIYing,
JojoD
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premuims parts or not:
SHOOT-OUT PA RIN KATAPAT NYAN!!! >:D
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magka alaman na. ahihihi.
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Just curious, kung hi-end na cdp mo, bakit kailangan mo pa i-upgrade yun parts? Diba naisip nun designer na hi-end yun design so dapat premium yun parts? Besides, as a diyer, I am not impressed with some of the hi-end cdps that we have opened either. Others have premium parts, while others don't.
Cheers!
o nga naman odyopayl.... bakit kelangan pa ng upgrade upgrade na yan.... he he he!! kaya yung NAD ko, it will remain stock as long as I'm its owner.... he he he ::) ::)
o pag-usapan naman natin.... analog o digital.... sa digital ako.... umpisa kayo thread, discussion tayo... :P
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premuims parts or not:
SHOOT-OUT PA RIN KATAPAT NYAN!!! >:D
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magka alaman na. ahihihi.
Uy exciting yan, para na naman tayo nasa store ng audio gears! Iba-ibang models meron! ;D ;D ;D
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this is OT, but i hope you put up your own audio company. babakas ako sa equity. palagay ko maraming gusto ring sumali dito. tapos ipa-lista natin sa stock exchange, IPO agad para times 10 ang pera natin in one year. keep on sharing your knowledge on how to improve the sound of our CDPs, bihira ang taong tulad mo master!
kayo lang hinihintay ko, tagal ko ng nag-suggest magtayo tayo ng cooperative. ano sa tingin nyo? at least 15 cooperators lang mapaparehistro na natin sa Cooperative Development Authority yung coop natin. ::)
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Jojo's Tip #2:
Most of you have your itching DIY hands targeting those main rectifiers, right? The first thing on your mind is to say.... let's buy the ultra fastest recovery diode we can find and replace those at once! Yeah right.
Do you notice those caps shunted at the diodes? Those are snubber caps and guess what, most "hi-end" cdp that I have had the pleasure of opening do have snubbers but just low value caps across the diodes. What in the world were the designers thinking??? Didn't they learned in dc circuits that snubbers work better when returned to source with a low impedance path? Duh!?!
Here's a trick, shunted caps across rectifier diodes work better in damping oscillatory rectifier circuits when in series with a low value resistor.
So what are you waiting for numbnuts??? Study and do your homework!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
PS. Donot PM me asking what value to use, you find it yourself! Otherwise, I'll be learning the whole thing all over again when you should be the one learning! ;)
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kayo lang hinihintay ko, tagal ko ng nag-suggest magtayo tayo ng cooperative. ano sa tingin nyo? at least 15 cooperators lang mapaparehistro na natin sa Cooperative Development Authority yung coop natin. ::)
Sir mukhang topic yan next session, whenever that may be. ;D ;D
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pre pag tweak mo ng CDP dapat may signature badge ka din ala "KI Signature" ni Ken Ishiwata ng marantz:
(http://www.audioenz.co.nz/2001/images/marantz_ki-badge.jpg)
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sir jo u have pm.
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o pag-usapan naman natin.... analog o digital.... sa digital ako.... umpisa kayo thread, discussion tayo... :P
sir pwede ba sa parehong panig ako. ahehehehehehe........ atty, bukas ka na ng panibagong topic! :D :D :D
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premuims parts or not:
SHOOT-OUT PA RIN KATAPAT NYAN!!! >:D
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magka alaman na. ahihihi.
Shootout/Session notice some attentively listen while others naman chika chika.. pero end of the day whether one gear surpass another or match.. yun experienced of auditioning those wonderful gears stock/ tweak/branded/generic is the BEST.. not anytime hear they side by side... ;D
Syempre yun camaraderie.. :)
Kaya SHOOTOUT BA ULIT??
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sirs, i think shootouts are good for finding out for yourself what are the good CDP's out there, but to put an emphasis on "for yourself", i think the results may be diffrent for each listener because we all look for different things..... some look for soundstage, some look for clarity/detail, some look for tonal balance...... some of the gear we audition are so close in sound quality that it could go either way, and the deciding factor could be what's more important to the listener, or even the accompanying music, setup or room...... that's why for me, a CDP to be truly declared a winner, should beat the competition on all counts and by an obvious margin, unanimously agreed by all listeners...... is it possible?
btw, my favorite tweak: slightly twist the volume knob clockwise. ;D
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sir pwede ba sa parehong panig ako. ahehehehehehe........ atty, bukas ka na ng panibagong topic! :D :D :D
kim u have PM >:D >:D
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Exactly my point odyopyl. You should understand how the system works and replace parts that only need to be replaced. cdp ko sir ala na room for improvement, improved na kasi ;D ;D maganda na sa akin "as is" and yaw ko pa-tweak baka maging "tweak-tweak" ang tunog. Ahehehehehehe >:D >:D
fish!!!!..... ;D ;D :) :)
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one thing din the circuit design of every cdp is also optimize na at dumaan sa mahabang proseso testing , quality test etc...kaya di rin ako kumbisido sa mga tweak cguro minimal lang ang diperensya, kung critical listener ka okey ;D ;D ;D imho >:D >:D
fish po tabi tabi po :P
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isa pa pag nasa bahay di ka naman nakatutok makinig like yong ginagawa pag session di ba?? >:D >:D >:D
at higit sa lahat bumababa yong resale value kaya tama si Attorney iba pa rin ang STOCK >:D >:D >:D O0 O0
pisballlllllllllllllllll bro
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btw, my favorite tweak: slightly twist the volume knob clockwise. ;D
Diba dapat : "twist the volume knob clockwise until it reaches 12 o'clock". ;D ;D
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Tama din naman yun pero sa akin kasi kaya ko tweak para lumabas yun gusto ko na tunog, pero sa akin lang yun.
Probably, if everybody only knew which parts to replace, or adjust, then everybody would be doing it. Kaso nga madami din na hindi mahilig humawak ng soldring iron.
The point is, not everyone knows how to do it. Example, gusto mo palabasin yun very fine highs (o minsan tawag nila air), pwede yun basta alam lang kung alin ang alin. Kaso nga hindi. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Tama din naman yun pero sa akin kasi kaya ko tweak para lumabas yun gusto ko na tunog, pero sa akin lang yun.
Probably, if everybody only knew which parts to replace, or adjust, then everybody would be doing it. Kaso nga madami din na hindi mahilig humawak ng soldring iron.
The point is, not everyone knows how to do it. Example, gusto mo palabasin yun very fine highs (o minsan tawag nila air), pwede yun basta alam lang kung alin ang alin. Kaso nga hindi. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Syanga pala, kahit papaano naman ay alam ko yun ginagawa ko, walang magic dito mga sirs! ;D Mahirap na baka dahil sa akin ay may magbukas ng cdp nila at makuryente, walang sisihan! SAFETY FIRST!
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Syanga pala, kahit papaano naman ay alam ko yun ginagawa ko, walang magic dito mga sirs! ;D Mahirap na baka dahil sa akin ay may magbukas ng cdp nila at makuryente, walang sisihan! SAFETY FIRST!
kaya ka nga nandyan e para ikaw lang ang makuryente hehehe
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kaya ka nga nandyan e para ikaw lang ang makuryente hehehe
nakuh poh! ilan beses na nga eh, kalikot kasi ng kalikot!
Don't try this at home kids!
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Kaya ako, pag may kakalikutin proteksyon muna ang naiisip ko! Safety first para hindi ma-kuryente! Iba na ang maingat!.....Ahehehehe! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Kaya ako, pag may kakalikutin proteksyon muna ang naiisip ko! Safety first para hindi ma-kuryente! Iba na ang maingat!.....Ahehehehe! ;D ;D ;D ;D
hehehe ano gamit mong proteksyon ????>:D >:D >:D ako latex na matibay para di agad mabutas ........................... at esd pa
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nakuh poh! ilan beses na nga eh, kalikot kasi ng kalikot!
Don't try this at home kids!
sir,
baka ako meron na ring ipakalikot sayo pero dapat matindi ang proteksyon mo dahil malakas ang kuryente nung saken. ahehehe
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sir,
baka ako meron na ring ipakalikot sayo pero dapat matindi ang proteksyon mo dahil malakas ang kuryente nung saken. ahehehe
Ah talaga naman doble ingat ako dyan, may discharge resistor pa nga na naka-clip sa caps para sure, mahirap na ma one-time nyan! ;D ;D ;D
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Ah talaga naman doble ingat ako dyan, may discharge resistor pa nga na naka-clip sa caps para sure, mahirap na ma one-time nyan! ;D ;D ;D
kaya mo yan hehehe sa laki mo >:D >:D >:Dhindi ka magiging dalubhasa pag di mo naexperience yan at i remember during collage isa ito sa test namin hehehehehe
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kaya mo yan hehehe sa laki mo >:D >:D >:Dhindi ka magiging dalubhasa pag di mo naexperience yan at i remember during collage isa ito sa test namin hehehehehe
hehehe, nun college nayari ako nun flyback! hahaha, nanonood kasi kami! ;D ;D
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hehehe, nun college nayari ako nun flyback! hahaha, nanonood kasi kami! ;D ;D
OT sir akyat sa ka nakabili nong snow rose na naka toooooottttttttttttt tt na pinag pasapasahan nila ;D ;D
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lahat ng comments tama, kasi hindi naman pare-pareho ang tenga natin. kanya-kanyang biases, even adjustments, sa hearing. ang maganda naman sa tweaking, especially if you have same models as reference, you could do an A/B comparison ng modified and non-modified units. then you decide, which comes closest to your personal preference. malay natin, baka mas maganda yung original configuration since it was already optimized. pero that could apply to one listener, the other might choose the modified unit. it's always relative, and it would be difficult for one to say who's right and who's wrong.
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lahat ng comments tama, kasi hindi naman pare-pareho ang tenga natin. kanya-kanyang biases, even adjustments, sa hearing. ang maganda naman sa tweaking, especially if you have same models as reference, you could do an A/B comparison ng modified and non-modified units. then you decide, which comes closest to your personal preference. malay natin, baka mas maganda yung original configuration since it was already optimized. pero that could apply to one listener, the other might choose the modified unit. it's always relative, and it would be difficult for one to say who's right and who's wrong.
Agreed, that's why other's try to audition first para malaman kung ok sa ears yun sound. I recon everyone to be right. ;D
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Guys,
Tweaking and DYI-ing for some of us is not simply to be able to change the sound characteristics of our CDPs.
For me there are several reasons why we do this, like being able to learn how our system works. For us na hindi nakatapos or nakapag aral man lang ng basic electornics its is a new learning experience, kahit na risky and magastos minsan. Biruin mo bagong-bago na RCD02 bubuksan at kakalikutin.
Next is that we devived fulfillment in what we do, knowing that we do not have adequate skills or knowledge, but we could still do these changes to how our system and often it works. For us the effort is as fun as listening to the results of our work. So please do not spoil our fun.
Moreover, we try to be carefull din naman, unlike what some are implying. We try to learn as much as we can by asking knowledgable people, reading DIY treads, reading and learnng component specifications, trying to understand as much as we can about our system, so that we minimize the trouble and risk. To Jojo, we may lack knowledge and skills like what you have but we're not stupid din naman. Jojo, I know you are very very good with these things, kaya nga kami nagtatanong sa iyo eh. But please don't push your weight around.
Kung alam na namin ang magiging output ng gagawin namin, where is the fun, anticipation and excitement in that. On the other hand kung kasing galing na namin ang iba sa inyo sa circuits and electronic components we would not be doing tweaks to our CDPs anymore but instead designing and creating circuits for preamplifiers and gainclones.
Some of you would say that one needs to understand the whole circuit and how it was implemented and what parts only needs to be replaced. Point taken, kaya nga sabi nababasa at nagtatanong din naman kami. Pero tanong lang kung many of us aleary heard a 02 and 971 in a shootout before? Even if we have knowledge of the circuits and replace everything with optimum components would we be able to know 101% if the 02 would eventually beat the 971 or even the 1072? Who is willing to bet on that. Again, it is not just the knowing of circuits and components guys.
Still some would say, why do we do this with our CDPs since they are optimized na for best performance. Well, all I can say is so what? I do not comment why some of people would insist on buying surplus and pushing them against newer CDPs and trying to make us feel so sorry for spending so much time and investment with our gears, when we know people who do this are very much financially capable naman. I don't care kung mas trip nyo ang surplus, eh or ayaw nyo humawak ng soldering iron. Kanya kanyang trip lang yan.
Another, we all know this is partly a social thing. Being able to share knowledge based on experience, being able to meet new friends and be together in session is also another reason. To meet people with the same interest as ours is very nice for everyone.
Kaya sana walang siraan ng trip ng iba.
Kaya nga ako umalis ng Wiredstate eh, hirap makipag usap sa mga mayaman at mayabang.
Yun lang.
Nolan M. Lenon, a.ka. Bogsle
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Kaya nga ako umalis ng Wiredstate eh, hirap makipag usap sa mga mayaman at mayabang.
Yun lang.
Nolan M. Lenon, a.ka. Bogsle
sir, di naman lahat...
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bogs,
very emotional yata yan bro ah... :)
o nga naman... kung gusto nyo magyabang... dun kayo sa wiredstate mag-post ng kayabangan nyo... tiyak... marami kayong katapat dun. ;D ;D ;D
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nga naman sir bogsle di naman lahat. :)
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bogs,
very emotional yata yan bro ah... :)
o nga naman... kung gusto nyo magyabang... dun kayo sa wiredstate mag-post ng kayabangan nyo... tiyak... marami kayong katapat dun. ;D ;D ;D
Pasensya na po.
Nung una kasi I thought this would be simply sharing of ideas, experience, and advices. I did not think this thread would become somewhat like a measurement of technical knowledge and skills, and probe on the actions and decision one has done on their audio gears.
Nakasama lang ng loob.
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it's OK sir bogsle...yung iba kasi mas madali lang ma-explain using technical jargons...although most of us are mere enthusiast na di masyado makaintindi ng technicalities...thanks!
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o nga naman... kung gusto nyo magyabang... dun kayo sa wiredstate mag-post ng kayabangan nyo... tiyak... marami kayong katapat dun. ;D ;D ;D
attorney, di naman bro...although some would really be more effective in explaining thru technical jargons...baka nagkataon lang na straightforward yung taong nag-post...thanks!
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I will cop out and not choose sides in the debate, if there is a debate. Having urged a lot of people to do part upgrades on their CDPs and amps, I feel I should say something about the issue. I admit I hardly know anything about electronics--I am in fact a business graduate with a day job as a researcher. My first exposure to electronics is in August last year when I tried to DIY gainclones.
I fully agree with Jojo that we should try to learn the circuit first and likewise with Kimpao that we should first identify areas where tweaking could bring noticeable changes. For me that's the ideal. I'd do that if I could but I don't have a background in electronics. I read and try to learn as much but not having the foundation of someone who has gone through a 4-year electronics course (or 5,6..) in college, I'm hard pressed to understand circuits.
So why even attempt to do it? It's been said before: some of you think that the circuit is a distillation of the engineer's knowledge and experience. How can a business graduate like me improve on a design collaborated on by experienced engineers? That's one way to look at it. Although not entirely contradictory, one other way to look at it is that enginneers and their companies are subject to the economics of competition (and you don't need to be a CFA or CPA to know this is true). That said, there's a strong argument that they would use the cheapest acceptable components in their circuits to be able to sell their products at a price that would attract a bigger audience. Sorry if this is beginning to sound like Marketing 101 but this is central to my reasoning behind part upgrades.
And when I look at the innards of my CDP, I can see where engineers have CONCEIVABLY cut corners:
1) Using transistors for muting instead of relays such as commonly found in higher end CDPS
2) Mylar instead of polystyrene in the LPF stage
3) Ordinary grade electrolytics vs. low impedance types that have better HF filtering
4) ordinary rectifier diodes vs. the supposedly quieter soft/ultrafast recovery types
5) Legacy opamps vs. newer ones that on paper at least looks superior to the one you have
So I upgrade parts when 1) Someone says that a part improved his CDP/AMP by changing a part or adding a mod; 2) The part is readily available and relatively cheap; and 3) I can do it myself. Whether the tweak/MOD will work for you is something you have to decide for yourself.
My biggest advantage and disadvantage of not being an electronics expert is that I don't have preconceived notions of what works and what doesn't. If someone's got an idea for a tweak or mod and its within my means, I try it myself. I don't need to understand the circuit just the general idea.
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Bogsle,
You may have misunderstood my post ;D, I'm not pushing my weight around (literally), please don't look at it liike that, it is suppose to be a learning hobby for all of us and it doesn't matter how much knowledge you or I have, we both learn here.
If there is anything that I would be pushing, it certaincly won't be any of you guys here, it would be the electrons. ;)
Jojo Dijamco
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Bogsle,
I'm not pushing my weight around (literally),
If there is anything that I would be pushing, it certaincly won't be any of you guys here
Jojo Dijamco
oonga naman, kung hinde tatabi ako...mas malaki si jojo sa akin ;D ;D ;D peace people ;)
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Ayan na po nagkakalabasan na ng katawan. Sir obet, baka magka-bistuhan na kung sino ang mga baiwang na hindi mahanap! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Masta Jojo, fish po tayooooooooo!!!!!!!!.... Baka itapon mo na ako sa labas ng bintana sa susunod na session kanila akyat. Ahehehehehehe........ ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Kayo talaga, pwede ko ba naman gawin yun eh fish tayo! ;D ;D ;D
Pero seryoso ako sa apologies ko ha.
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Guys,
Kaya nga ako umalis ng Wiredstate eh, hirap makipag usap sa mga mayaman at mayabang.
Yun lang.
Ganito rin ang impression ko nuon, but this is not true. Most people there just want to share their experiences and all one has to do is choose the right thread. I specifically like Wiredstate's software discussion forums, walang away, puro reminiscing and appreciating beautiful music, hindi nga lang ako maka-tiyempo ng mahilig sa classical.
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Kaya sana walang siraan ng trip ng iba.
???
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WOW haba na ng thread! Sir Bogsle medyo madamdamin 'yung post mo hehehe. One thing i've noticed with this group matindi asaran pero pag nagkita-kita okey naman! GULAMAN LANG KATAPAT NYAN!!!!!!!
Back to CD player, I agree with Sir Garp SOMETIMES you really don't need to fully understand the design of the circuits just to make a tweak? Replacing 47,000MF Raon capacitors to ELNA type can do some tricks? We all know that we are all using highly commerciallized Brand CD players so we can expect cheap parts in our players. Let me explain my own experience, Shanling CD-S100, USHER CD-100 & Music Hall MMF-25 CD players have the same circuits, Features & even the looks. Price are arranged from lowest to expensive. Do they sounds the same? Nop, if you can take a look inside they have the same value but different brand components.
In General there are two types of tweaking "One is Modification" This requires Expertise" & The other is "Plug & Play" for everybody. Somebody from the group have expertise in electronics some have fair enough money to buy high-end gears, for me my purpose of attending listening sessions are meeting people who have the same interest & Learning, which is not enough but the best of all is....FRIENDSHIP!!!!!!!!!
FISH TO EVERYBODY!!!!!!!
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One thing more....we all know we have all differences, professions, expertics...not to mention AGE hehehehe kaya sometimes there are some misunderstandings, but don't forget that we have something in common.....????????
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One thing more....we all know we have all differences, professions, expertics...not to mention AGE hehehehe kaya sometimes there are some misunderstandings, but don't forget that we have something in common.....??
lalim nito sir ah ;D ;D ;D i disagree with you on AGES ;D why do we need to argue something eh hobby natin to mga tol ;D there's nothing to argue about.
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lalim nito sir ah ;D ;D ;D i disagree with you on AGES ;D why do we need to argue something eh hobby natin to mga tol ;D there's nothing to argue about.
correct! ;D
I thought kasi na may passion and dedication, hobby nga lang pala at trip. Syempre will respect everyones positions. ;)
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there's nothing to argue about.
KID_lat
we don't argue, we discuss. Ahehehehehe ;D ;D ;D ;D
odyopayl,
mas masaya pag may asaran, diba?!.. hirap naman kung masyadong seryoso sa thread. ;D ;D
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Ay mali! wala palang argument dito ;D ;D salamat sa paalala sir :P
mahirap maging seryoso, nakakatanda ;D ;D ;D
fishhhhhhhhhhhh!!! :D
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Nakakaduling lang pero ok pala pag may binoculars. ;D ;D ;D
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oy..... binoculars but d ako kasali! :'(waahhhhhhhhhh...... isa sa mga hobby k p naman yan ::). ahihihi... :o
admittedly, and going back to the previous emotion filled "discussion" :), i am into tweaked cdps as well, in fact i got sir hans pioneer bec it was already tweaked to my liking... however my take on this tweaking thing is not actual hands on hinangan, as i live in a much to different world than my hobby :P, so i leave it all to the knowledgeable, not bec i do not thrive in the "do-it-yourself" true meaning of the word but rather i derive a more satisfactory enjoyment in knowing that failure is not an option! ;D ;D ;Dhehehe. so it boils down talaga to ones own preference, and i personally do not think, sir jojos posting as something other than an honest intention to help :D, so pls, people dont take things off hand 8). and im not saying this bec jojos a friend, this is only so bec i have read and understand.... after all, i would be a better judge cgro of jos character as i know him personally.... OK na tao si jo, d yan mayabang oy! yoko ng mayabang e. ;D
and why do we buy surplus cdps for tweaking..... as what kuya hans said, mas mura at kung masira madaling palitan, kunti lang investment so d masyadong masakit, at kung sawa ka na pwedeng PALIT AGAD. ;Dehehehe. added bonus na lang yong possibility to be able to compete with the much pricey, which is personal to the owner and not para mang ::)toot ::) ng ibang tao. basta ako wala lang pambili ng mahal kaya tyaga sa pinagsawaan ang lumang modelo. :'( :'( :'( yon lng po. balang araw bibili din ako. ;D
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odyopayl,
mas masaya pag may asaran, diba?!.. hirap naman kung masyadong seryoso sa thread. ;D ;D
Kahit itanong mo pa kay Audioslave! hehehe
FISH..........FISH BE WITH YOU ALL!!!!
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bogsle,
Pre take it easy... regards to surplus personally i do not bringing my player para lang mangasar :)
remember BEST SOUND is our goal and not the brands and higher price tag..
Peace.. :) :)
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basta ang importante lahat enjoy!!!! ;D ;D ;D
suportahan ta ka... ;D
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sabi nung isang master, lahat ng tinanong niya kung sino nanalo sa CDP shootout eh sarili daw nilang CDP ang panalo ahihihi..... ako lang yata ang nag-concede ha, pinamigay ko CDP ko kapalit ng maliit na donasyon. ::)
get the gear that you like, not what others like...... unless you're giving it as a gift. ;D
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sabi nung isang master, lahat ng tinanong niya kung sino nanalo sa CDP shootout eh sarili daw nilang CDP ang panalo ahihihi..... ako lang yata ang nag-concede ha, pinamigay ko CDP ko kapalit ng maliit na donasyon. ::)
get the gear that you like, not what others like...... unless you're giving it as a gift. ;D
Sir para sa akin, ikaw ang panalo hehehehe! Congrats sa New Amp mo!
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nakow tenk u sir.... CDP na lang kulang buti may nagmagandang loob magpahiram sakin.
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Sir para sa akin, ikaw ang panalo hehehehe! Congrats sa New Amp mo!
buti pa si akyat, mey new branded tube amp na. congrats pala sir akyat ::) ;D
odyopayl, kelan kaya ako makakarinig ng tube amp? ::) :)
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Audioslave,
Ikaw atty kailan magtube?? hehehehe iwan mo na yan SS amp mo.. dun ka sa meron buhay ang sound.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Habang may buhay........... habang may buhay............. mag tube kana ;D ;D ;D
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Audioslave,
Ikaw atty kailan magtube?? hehehehe iwan mo na yan SS amp mo.. dun ka sa meron buhay ang sound.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
hehehehe nanghahawa >:D >:Dbakit yong dati mo bang sound patay ::) ::) ::)baka naka off
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hehehehe nanghahawa >:D >:Dbakit yong dati mo bang sound patay ::) ::) ::)baka naka off
Para mo ng sinabi na "Just make sure to switch it on!" ;D ;D ;D
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Audioslave,
Ikaw atty kailan magtube?? hehehehe iwan mo na yan SS amp mo.. dun ka sa meron buhay ang sound.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
mukhang may buhay na yata generic tube amp mo ahh... ;D ;D
the last time i heard it ... parang nabibilaukan at sinasakal ng magandang babae amp mo... di makahiyaw ng husto!! ;D ;D
pero kaw pa senyor hans, palagay ko ayuz na ayuz na yan at magaling nang kumanta amp mo ... after it was sent back to barracks... >:D
dapat sir, generic tube CDP na rin gamitin mong source para match na match >:D
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asaran na to hehe >:D sabagay merong diy na cd player, mahirap nga lang gawin...
it uses the cdpro2 from phillips
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asaran na to hehe >:D sabagay merong diy na cd player, mahirap nga lang gawin...
it uses the cdpro2 from phillips
uy alam ko yan cdpro2 na yan, had the chance to exercise my fingers with that transport. ;D ;D ;D
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mukhang may buhay na yata generic tube amp mo ahh... ;D ;D
the last time i heard it ... parang nabibilaukan at sinasakal ng magandang babae amp mo... di makahiyaw ng husto!! ;D ;D
pero kaw pa senyor hans, palagay ko ayuz na ayuz na yan at magaling nang kumanta amp mo ... after it was sent back to barracks... >:D
dapat sir, generic tube CDP na rin gamitin mong source para match na match >:D
Attny! Yun nabibilaukan at nasasakal alam ko yun eh, pero yun magandang babae hindi ko yata nakita yun! ;D ;D ;D ;D Di mo naman ako agad tinawag! ;D
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buti pa si akyat, mey new branded tube amp na. congrats pala sir akyat
Sir Nandito na.............the long wait is over............branded din............with remote pa........?
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testing na yung m100 na yan!!! >:D
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ito na ba?
(http://www.operaudio.com/Images-1/M99%20FOR%20PC.jpg)
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set na sa next session yan sir!!!
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SESSION......................... SESSION.................... SESSION ! ! >:D >:D >:D!
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I can't wait really, very excited ako madinig yan!
s2kov,
yan ba pic ng M100+ ni odyopayl?
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Andy - M99 yan ;D
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Andy - M99 yan ;D
So hindi ganyan yun looks ng M100+? Sayang pogi pa naman. O mas pogi pa?
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kaunti lang naman diprensya - yung tubo lang ;)
(http://www.operaudio.com/Images-1/M100plus.jpg)
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ang gwapo pala ano? sana ma-audition ko someday.
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m99+ a 25 watter pushpull integrated tube amp using 4 shuguang 6n8p (6sn7) tubes (coke bottles) while m100+ is a 40 watter pushpull integrated tube amp using 4 el34s. both with remote. inputs - cd, aux, line in. no phono stages.
ooist! bakit nasa cd player 'to, baka mapagalitan tayo ng mods hehehe
;D
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ano output tube ng m99?
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The circuit composes of there stages: Sovtek 12AX7LPS (ECC83) as the first SRPP stage, followed by Shuguang 6N8P (6SN7) driver stage with Shuguang 6P3P (6L6GC/KT66/5881) as the final power stage in class push pull class AB configuration
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mukhang may buhay na yata generic tube amp mo ahh... ;D ;D
the last time i heard it ... parang nabibilaukan at sinasakal ng magandang babae amp mo... di makahiyaw ng husto!! ;D ;D
pero kaw pa senyor hans, palagay ko ayuz na ayuz na yan at magaling nang kumanta amp mo ... after it was sent back to barracks... >:D
OO nga meron sakal last time pero kahit tangal na bara eh wala match sa Branded amp.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
dapat sir, generic tube CDP na rin gamitin mong source para match na match >:D
Generic cdp ok yan basta kasing level ng Consonance or Flagship ang tunog >:D >:D pero kung MID level sound lang bka SURplus CDP na lang ako.. ;D ;D
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m99+ a 25 watter pushpull integrated tube amp using 4 shuguang 6n8p (6sn7) tubes (coke bottles) ;D
Sir 6L6 ata... o 6sn7?? :)
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buti pa si akyat, mey new branded tube amp na. congrats pala sir akyat
Sir Nandito na.............the long wait is over............branded din............with remote pa........?
Uy Congrats!! :D
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Sir 6L6 ata... o 6sn7?? :)
aaay opo sorry! kamukha eh ???;D
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Something good to read for the weekend. :)
http://www.ultranalog.com/arhus/2001/jitter_sd.pdf
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good read.... thnx sir.
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Posting this in case it might be of interest to some.
P22 for P20 pieces of SANYO OSCON at Deeco Raon (the one nearest to Alexan). Value is 47uf 6.3 volts ideal as bypass caps/decoupling caps for DACs. This is considered a SCREAMING bargain as one piece sells for P72 at Farnell. I think these are the SC-SA series and not the SG ones but still considered the optimum caps for digital.
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Garp,
Ok yan tip mo very good for the DIY guys..
you have PM bro
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Look Ma no opamps! My NAD now uses a different DAC and no opamps in the output stage. Problem now is how I'm going to mount this inside the chassis. DAC is TDA1545 using passive I/V conversion (thanks to Yeo of diyparadise for the circuit).
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/859381/1545DAC-res.jpg)
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Look Ma no opamps! My NAD now uses a different DAC and no opamps in the output stage. Problem now is how I'm going to mount this inside the chassis. DAC is TDA1545 using passive I/V conversion (thanks to Yeo of diyparadise for the circuit).
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid143/pc0ecb9f38d30b0a59f1f95e7cfd30405/f6908f09.jpg.orig.jpg)
that's good news Garp, did you bought the kit version from Yeo?
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No I made my own point to point. But unlike YEO's KIT, mine uses my CD's internal receiver (CXD3017Q) instead of CS8412 so this is not an external DAC--this just bypasses my cd's factory DAC and ouput stage. I just tapped the signal and clock pins of the receiver and routed that to the 1543. I'm happy enough with the outcome that this will be my default from now.
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No I made my own point to point. But unlike YEO's KIT, mine uses my CD's internal receiver (CXD3017Q) instead of CS8412 so this is not an external DAC--this just bypasses my cd's factory DAC and ouput stage. I just tapped the signal and clock pins of the receiver and routed that to the 1543. I'm happy enough with the outcome that this will be my default from now.
excellent work Garp! so which one is it, RS or Farnell? ;D
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excellent work Garp! so which one is it, RS or Farnell? ;D
RS or Farnell? Jojo call me slow but I didn't get the joke. ;D
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RS or Farnell? Jojo call me slow but I didn't get the joke. ;D
;D ;D ;D
i wasn't joking, i was asking where you got the 1543, from RS or Farnell? ;D ;D ;D
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Jeez I am a slow today.
No you can't find the TDA1545 or TDA1543 in RS or farnell because its no longer in production--but guess where? RAON! What's amazing is that at diyaudio people are always asking where to find TDA1541A and they go to great lenghts to get one but in Raon there's lots of them. Even got my TDA1541A from two stores in Cavite. But I can't get CS8412 anywhere although you can use CS8414 from Newark but this is SOIC.
The Nichicon muse caps and OS-CONS I got from Raon too at dirt cheap prices. ;D ;D ;D
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Jeez I am a slow today.
No you can't find the TDA1545 or TDA1543 in RS or farnell because its no longer in production--but guess where? RAON! What's amazing is that at diyaudio people are always asking where to find TDA1541A and they go to great lenghts to get one but in Raon there's lots of them. even got my TDA1541A I got from two stores in Cavite. But I can't get CS8412 anywhere although you can use CS8414 from Newark but this is SOIC.
Hahaha! Good work Garp! You now hold the title of "Batang RAON"! Congrats on your new precious!
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Hahaha! Good work Garp! You now hold the title of "Batang RAON"! Congrats on your new precious!
Hahaha. My wife will agree with the title! Thanks.
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Garp,
Congrats... btw thanks for the advise sa amp tweak.. ;)
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Garp,
Congrats... btw thanks for the advise sa amp tweak.. ;)
You're welcome Hans, anytime. Hope you find the tweaks value for money. Ok ba? ;)
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Garp,
The tweak was fantastic did get my amp off the ground hehehehe PANALO!! now break in BG pa..
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sir garp,
congrats. whats the initial impression sa sound sir? as before?
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sir garp,
congrats. whats the initial impression sa sound sir? as before?
HI wanderlust,
As before? This is my first time to do it.
Ang unang impression ko laid-back yung sound. Smooth naman and detailed yung highs. Ang strength talaga nasa midrange like yung piano fuller. Pero parang a little lacking in dynamics (compared to my nad's factory dac and opamp stage) and bass resonance. So experiment pa ko muna. I'll do another version using TDA1541A but this will use an opamp output stage. Will make a comparison then choose. Pero if you ask me what I want to retain--this or my cd's factory dac---dito ko ngayon. ;D Usual disclaimers ha, YMMV.
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Garp,
The tweak was fantastic did get my amp off the ground hehehehe PANALO!! now break in BG pa..
Congrats Hans! Yang BG talaga na yan, hirap sabihin kung totoo o hindi. ;D
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Congrats Hans! Yang BG talaga na yan, hirap sabihin kung totoo o hindi. ;D
Garp,
As per interview (thru email) with BG users, worth daw! ;D ;D ;D Nakakainis lang talaga yun waiting period habang burn-in mo. ;D ;D
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Garp,
As per interview (thru email) with BG users, worth daw! ;D ;D ;D Nakakainis lang talaga yun waiting period habang burn-in mo. ;D ;D
Sige na totoo na ;D. Gusto ko talagang maniwala na totoo---ang mahal niya kasi eh. Dapat talaga gumawa ako ng Cap-Rack for the BG's tapos sinaksak ko ng dalawang linggo.
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Sige na totoo na ;D. Gusto ko talagang maniwala na totoo---ang mahal niya kasi eh. Dapat talaga gumawa ako ng Cap-Rack for the BG's tapos sinaksak ko ng dalawang linggo.
kailangan nga maging totoo, ang mahal kasi! hahahaha ;D ;D
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Garp!
Since we are into caps boot-camp, meron ako design na ginagawa for stretching caps. ;D It uses an LM555 as a pulse source, a power transistor as a switch and a hi wattage resistor as discharge load.
Parang rjm's Cap-Rack din pero synched charge and discharge cycle. Hehehe, hope it works. ;D ;D ;D
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tagal na nito ah! anyway, akala ko kc ganyan ang bagong amp na dadating ky jun! ;D ;D
Andy - M99 yan ;D
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Sige na totoo na ;D. Gusto ko talagang maniwala na totoo---ang mahal niya kasi eh. Dapat talaga gumawa ako ng Cap-Rack for the BG's tapos sinaksak ko ng dalawang linggo.
Garp,
Ano benefit BG after the run in pre??
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Garp!
Since we are into caps boot-camp, meron ako design na ginagawa for stretching caps. ;D It uses an LM555 as a pulse source, a power transistor as a switch and a hi wattage resistor as discharge load.
Parang rjm's Cap-Rack din pero synched charge and discharge cycle. Hehehe, hope it works. ;D ;D ;D
Uy ok yan...baka naman puwedeng makakopya ng schematics pag andyan na...alam mo naman ako hanggang kopya lang di marunong ng design. :)
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Garp,
Ano benefit BG after the run in pre??
Yun din gusto ko malaman from experience. Pero ang comment ng mga nababasa ko net---cleaner sound, better dynamics.
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Uy ok yan...baka naman puwedeng makakopya ng schematics pag andyan na...alam mo naman ako hanggang kopya lang di marunong ng design. :)
Dr KYgeli,
Ano yan pang break in ng caps?? maganda yan..
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Uy ok yan...baka naman puwedeng makakopya ng schematics pag andyan na...alam mo naman ako hanggang kopya lang di marunong ng design. :)
Boy Raon,
Sure! Pati pcb pa kung gusto mo! Kaso mahilig ka sa p2p dba? ;D ;D ;D
Boy Payat :o
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Dr KYgeli,
Ano yan pang break in ng caps?? maganda yan..
oo sir, pang aerobics ng caps. ;D
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Look Ma no opamps! My NAD now uses a different DAC and no opamps in the output stage. Problem now is how I'm going to mount this inside the chassis. DAC is TDA1545 using passive I/V conversion (thanks to Yeo of diyparadise for the circuit).
Garp, ano ba advantage ng walang opamps? ::)
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Garp,
Thanks for the tip on where to find the TDA1541 DAC chip.
Can you please send me a schematic of the DAC (TDA1541 and op-amps) you will be using.
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Garp, ano ba advantage ng walang opamps? ::)
Sir Audioslave, try mo tube CD baffer like MF, try mo manghiram you will notice big difference. Don't focuse to much on your CD player hehehe( Atty. wag mo paginitan CD player mo hehehe) Try to use 'yung ginanagamit natin na Interconnect sa mga Shoot-out (DIY silver) then 'yung XLO na speaker wires (like ng kay Akyat, Kimpao & Hans) wag na 'yung sa akin na try mo na hehehe (wala ka mabibili 'nun dito).
BTW, have you tried NOS tube tweak?
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Sir Garp, JojoD,
Have you tried using tube instead of OPamps sa CD player like the design of Jolida CD player?
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Sir Garp, JojoD,
Have you tried using tube instead of OPamps sa CD player like the design of Jolida CD player?
Sir,
I did, but didn't liked it so I removed it. ;D Probably due to the SRPP cct I used.
This was done in my Onkyo surplus cdp. For some reasons I'd like to give it another try but time is so scarce for me right now. :)
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Sir Audioslave, try mo tube CD baffer like MF, try mo manghiram you will notice big difference. Don't focuse to much on your CD player hehehe( Atty. wag mo paginitan CD player mo hehehe) Try to use 'yung ginanagamit natin na Interconnect sa mga Shoot-out (DIY silver) then yung XLO na speaker wires (like ng kay Akyat, Kimpao & Hans) wag na yung sa akin na try mo na hehehe (wala ka mabibili 'nun dito).
BTW, have you tried NOS tube tweak?
you got me wrong, man. pass nako dyan sa mga CD Players na yan. pangit pagkalokohan yan. it's not worth spending so much for any tweak which in the end would only give you a marginal sonic difference. I'd rather invest on the software than tweak my mid-priced player. after hearing all the better CDPs out there, I finally realized that mine is a perfectly fine player. no need to tweak.... instead, i would be more than willing to spend more on tubes to experience the different sonic characteristics of the various tubes out there.
sabi nga ni iceman, pare-pareho lang tunog ng mga CDPs na yan. ;D
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Garp, ano ba advantage ng walang opamps? ::)
Hi audioslave,
There are opinions kasi na opamps muck up the sound which is why some use discrete and lately tubes in the fingal gain stage of cd players. I use passive I/V dun sa DAC kasi I wanted to hear first what passive sounds like and then later try active stage. Sa passive kasi you have one less issue to worry about that potentially, if not implemented optimally, can ruin the sound. So parang its that cliche in audio na simpler is better. Many prefer an active stage but the debate naman is whether to use opamps (largely espoused byThorsten's camp) or discrete (Jocko Homo). And there's that opamps vs. tubes din. Labu labu na masakit sa ulo sundan. ;D
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Boy Raon,
Sure! Pati pcb pa kung gusto mo! Kaso mahilig ka sa p2p dba? ;D ;D ;D
Boy Payat :o
Thank you. :D No, napipilitan lang akong point to point kasi di ako marunong gumawa ng PCB.
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Garp,
Thanks for the tip on where to find the TDA1541 DAC chip.
Can you please send me a schematic of the DAC (TDA1541 and op-amps) you will be using.
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Hi Bruno,
I don't have a schematic yet pero there are many online. I'm leaning towards pedja's (http://users.verat.net/~pedjarogic/audio/tda1541a_dac/tda1541a_dac_rev.htm) kasi he uses the TDA1541A with an active I/V using opamps. Likewise Thorsten's discussed the use of OPA660 or OPA627 sa diyaudio biased as class A, mukang simple lang. I'll just copy how pedja wired up the TDA1541A (take note of pin ob/Twc to set your appropriate data input format) and his power supply using shunt regulators (TL431 or LM431). Yung active I/V hanap ako separately.
Good luck!
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Thank you. :D No, napipilitan lang akong point to point kasi di ako marunong gumawa ng PCB.
No problem. I can help you in that department. Pag may prototype na ako testing natin pang exercise ng caps. ;D ;D
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Thanks. Medyo complicated. Try ako hanap na medyo simple.
Hi Bruno,
I don't have a schematic yet pero there are many online. I'm leaning towards pedja's (http://users.verat.net/~pedjarogic/audio/tda1541a_dac/tda1541a_dac_rev.htm) kasi he uses the TDA1541A with an active I/V using opamps. Likewise Thorsten's discussed the use of OPA660 or OPA627 sa diyaudio biased as class A, mukang simple lang. I'll just copy how pedja wired up the TDA1541A (take note of pin ob/Twc to set your appropriate data input format) and his power supply using shunt regulators (TL431 or LM431). Yung active I/V hanap ako separately.
Good luck!
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Thanks. Medyo complicated. Try ako hanap na medyo simple.
Sige bruno pag may nakita share ko. Although yung nasa TNT convertus ata uses only a one resistor for passive 30 ohms ata--you can't get any simpler than that. I tried the opamp route using datasheet pero I think I'm doing it wrong kasi sobrang distorted. Oh well hanap uli.
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Sir,
I did, but didn't liked it so I removed it. ;D Probably due to the SRPP cct I used.
This was done in my Onkyo surplus cdp. For some reasons I'd like to give it another try but time is so scarce for me right now. :)
Wow! galing mo talaga sir, I have already some parts for my CD player upgrade hoever i'm still looking for these parts:
Capacitor:
ROE 229uF ---2 pcs.
Resistor:
Philips 4.7 ohm 1%
Diode:
Philips 1N5062
Hope you can help me to start my project! Ikaw gusto ko kumalikot!
Thanks Sir!
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Wow! galing mo talaga sir, I have already some parts for my CD player upgrade hoever i'm still looking for these parts:
Capacitor:
ROE 229uF ---2 pcs.
Resistor:
Philips 4.7 ohm 1%
Diode:
Philips 1N5062
Hope you can help me to start my project! Ikaw gusto ko kumalikot!
Thanks Sir!
Sure, ako bahala kumalikot dyan sa cdp mo. Medyo mahirap lang talaga maghanap ng premium parts pero worth it naman. ;)
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Hi guys,
She's back.... after years of rest. ;D
It's a Pioneer PD-F705 25+1 CD player I bought some time in April 1997. Ok naman tunog nya nun kaya nga binili ko na plus the added comfort of 25 discs in a changer. However, as the millenium closes in.... medyo napag iiwanan na ang kanyang sonics so hindi na nagagamit and was put in the bodega for several years.
Maybe it's the holiday or the weather, so I decided to unpack and inspect what's inside and had a big smile in my face. ;D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/Pioneer%20PD-F705%20CDP/PD-F705_1.jpg)
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After cleaning and drive shaft lubrication, I was surprised that it still works. But still disappointed with the way it sounds. :(
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/Pioneer%20PD-F705%20CDP/PD-F705_2.jpg)
As can be seen, it has a moving transport, something similar to automotive cd changers.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/Pioneer%20PD-F705%20CDP/PD-F705_3.jpg)
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Upon inspection of the circuit board, I was surprised to find what may have been the culprit. In the LPF section, a JRC4558DD was used, yes it has a double D (the inferior version of the JRC4558D, duh!), and a ROHM BA15218 in the output buffer.
Datasheet shows that the BA15218 is an excellent opamp during it's time but the JRC4558DD is just so full of %$#@. I try not to think about it but this player wasn't cheap when I bought it. ;D So with a warmed-up soldering iron and de-soldering tool, off they went! As always, psu bypassing took most of the tweak time.
I encircled the lpf opamp in red and the buffer in yellow, I tried several opamps from Motorola, On Semi, Analog Devices (AD), Burr-Brown, etc.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/Pioneer%20PD-F705%20CDP/PD-F705_4.jpg)
I was itrigued with the AD opamps since they were renowned to be tube sounding. However, when I used AD chips on both lpf and buffer stages, the sound lost it's air, the highs were so rolled-off! When I tried Burr-Brown, the highs and mids were excellent but kinda "manipis", so I ended up mixing brands until I got what I want. ;D
Can't believe it, mataba na may air at walang sibilance ang result. ;D It wasn't a waste of time after all. ;D
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These things make me so happy indeed..... ;D ;D ;D
Happy Holloween to all!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/Pioneer%20PD-F705%20CDP/PD-F705_5.jpg)
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Aba! Bagong talent! Rumekta sa dance instructor!......... Maganda yan dahil pa-pindot pindot laang! Ahehehehehe ;D ;D
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Aba! Bagong talent! Rumekta sa dance instructor!......... Maganda yan dahil pa-pindot pindot laang! Ahehehehehe ;D ;D
Brand new yan nun nabili ko nun '97, hindi surplus kaya dito ko post. ;D Hinahalukay ko pa nga kung nasan yun remote! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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masaya yan jo, kahit buong araw kang magpatutug ayos yan. para ka na ring naka mp3 nyan!
oy maganda yang nasa taas na yan ah, ano ba ayn sir? tube amp? ngayon k lang nakita yan e.
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Pwede pang break-in ng operada gears yan pre ;D
pssst.... pwedeng mahiram yung maliit na aparato na nakakabit sa pioneer cdp mo ;D
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masaya yan jo, kahit buong araw kang magpatutug ayos yan. para ka na ring naka mp3 nyan!
oy maganda yang nasa taas na yan ah, ano ba ayn sir? tube amp? ngayon k lang nakita yan e.
Actually that's the idea, imagine listening to Jheena Lodwick 1-3 cd straight without changing cds! ;D Buti nga at gumanda na din yun tunog kahit konti, sayang naman kasi.
Ah yun? Wala yun, hindi tube amp yun sir preamp lang, hanggang gainclone lang ako sa amp eh. :)
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mga sir bka u want to let go some of ur cdp's dyan pra sa mga mahihirap nating kapatid (1 na ako dun). don't hesitate to pm me :) :D ;D
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mga sir bka u want to let go some of ur cdp's dyan pra sa mga mahihirap nating kapatid (1 na ako dun). don't hesitate to pm me :) :D ;D
Sir bantayan mo lang si KoYa Hans, pag nangati kamay nun bigla na lang nagbebenta ng cdp. ;)
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cge sir jj thanks. pro timbrehan mo rin ako kung sakali ;D. d kc ako satisfied sa dvd player ko when playing cds eh.
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iba talaga tunog ng dvd player when playing cds, dapat may dedicated cd player ka if you want to enjoy good music kaya......
cd player hunt na! ;)
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tama ka bro :'(. kala ko pa naman, ok na setup ko. bakit nga ba mas maganda mag-play ng cda sa cd player kaysa dvd player?
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heres my humble opinion:
a dvd is designed to not only play several formats but was created with video playback in mind, while a dedicated cdp is all but a cd player, made designed and with one specific purpose, to play cds! now if your going to ask me about the engineerings behind it, sorry but its not my cup of tea sir.
as i always say: "you cant have your cake and eat it too".
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heres my humble opinion:
a dvd is designed to not only play several formats but was created with video playback in mind, while a dedicated cdp is all but a cd player, made designed and with one specific purpose, to play cds! now if your going to ask me about the engineerings behind it, sorry but its not my cup of tea sir.
as i always say: "you cant have your cake and eat it too".
hehehe, kaya nga pinilit ko na maayos pa yun lumang cdp ko eh, para dalawa na sila kasama nun Onkyo. ;D
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sir jo,
ah.... preamp lang pala yon.
teke teka bakit mo pinopromote si kOya, e victor na lng cdp non n #1 ka pa sa pila.... cge ka baka maunahan k ng iba dyan >:D
e kaya mapagbintangan kang endorser to an endorser ;D
fish kOyang! O0
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sir jo,
ah.... preamp lang pala yon.
teke teka bakit mo pinopromote si kOya, e victor na lng cdp non n #1 ka pa sa pila.... cge ka baka maunahan k ng iba dyan >:D
e kaya mapagbintangan kang endorser to an endorser ;D
fish kOyang! O0
was thinking na nga na session (hindi shootout ha) yun victor ni Koya at yun pioneer ko, then makapag decide ako kung drop out na ako sa #1 position sa waiting list. mababaw lang naman tayo dyan eh. ;D
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hehehe............. e d session na yan!
sa totoo lang matagal ko na ding naiisip kung ok din ba yong multiple trans na cdp, lalo na pag nakakakita ako ng ganayan s asurplus, ms convenient e walang patayo tayo at palitan.
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correct yan, salang ka lang bahala na sya mag play. so far ok naman at sana nga magtuloy-tuloy na. ;D
kaya pala talon ng talon dati kasi yun opamps are already dying, halos mag short na yun psu kaya pati supply nun transport naapektuhan. swerte pa din. ;D
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hay......... dapat ko atang marinig yan ah.
i was eyeing pa naman before a victor 6 cd trans model, mas matindi kung 25+ cds ano, parang tsikot!
at kung nagkataon, next project yan!
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Got a surplus component from a korean surplus shop having in mind only its speakers with 10" drivers, which i will use as my back surrounds. My tape deck player was no longer operational and the component having also a built in tape deck and am/fm tuner i got that for 3k.
To my surprise the sound quALITY of its CD is not at all bad! It is even warmer and fatter than my DVD. ;D -- This is definitely a good buy. ;)
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hay......... dapat ko atang marinig yan ah.
i was eyeing pa naman before a victor 6 cd trans model, mas matindi kung 25+ cds ano, parang tsikot!
at kung nagkataon, next project yan!
i slept while it was playing.... i woke up ad it's still playing! hindi man lang inabot yun 12th cd! hahaha. ayus!
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was thinking na nga na session (hindi shootout ha) yun victor ni Koya at yun pioneer ko, then makapag decide ako kung drop out na ako sa #1 position sa waiting list. mababaw lang naman tayo dyan eh. ;D
Shootout ba?? sure!!
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Naghahamon si KOya!!! >:D >:D >:D siguro malufet manok nito ;D ;D
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Shootout ba?? sure!!
Labo mata! Sabi ko session hindi shootout! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Labo mata! Sabi ko session hindi shootout! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Opsss mali pala cge...
session... ;D ;D ;D
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Opsss mali pala cge...
session... ;D ;D ;D
Pag dating na ng package ko next week ang shootout, so session muna. ;D ;D ;D
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Hahahaha!!! para magtantyahan muna......... tapos shoot out na sunod
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Hahahaha!!! para magtantyahan muna......... tapos shoot out na sunod
umatras si kOYa, may lakad daw eh, so next(3X) week pa, may EB tyo dto sa PinoyDVD eh. ;D
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hehehe............. e d session na yan!
sa totoo lang matagal ko na ding naiisip kung ok din ba yong multiple trans na cdp, lalo na pag nakakakita ako ng ganayan s asurplus, ms convenient e walang patayo tayo at palitan.
Palitan mo na sir luma na yang cdp mo............at benta mo na lang sa akin... >:D
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Palitan mo na sir luma na yang cdp mo............at benta mo na lang sa akin... >:D
sa shootout magdala ka na ng pera, sigurado pagkatapos naman nun may mabibili ka na. >:D ;D ;D
joke 3X!
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oy for keeps nato!
ahahaha.
parang narinig ko na tong linya tong ah.
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Palitan mo na sir luma na yang cdp mo............at benta mo na lang sa akin... >:D
mayroon nagbebenta ng cdp dun sa buy nad sell thread, gusto mo? >:D (shameless plug ;D )
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o ayan my for sale na pala.... high end yan! rotel ba naman..... narinig ka na nga yan e, sus, d ka magsisi nyan!
teka teka, bakit ba naging for sale yan?
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mayroon nagbebenta ng cdp dun sa buy nad sell thread, gusto mo? >:D (shameless plug ;D )
control,
Baka pwede givesssss.. ;D
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control,
Baka pwede givesssss.. ;D
uu nga ano.. ;D Oh Master kimpao..ilang gives ba? >:D
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mag-issue ka na agad ng PDC para mapasaiyo yan precious ni Don Kimpao. Napakaganda nyan at battle tested na din, nakapagtataka nga kng totoo na binebenta na yan. :)
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Last Saturday I met Bogsle carrying a box with "Arcam Diva" CD Player! he is with Audioslave nagmamadali umuwi hehehe! Sir Nolan any review sa new precious mo? :o
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mag-issue ka na agad ng PDC para mapasaiyo yan precious ni Don Kimpao. Napakaganda nyan at battle tested na din, nakapagtataka nga kng totoo na binebenta na yan. :)
wag na magtaka kung bakit binebenta. ;D
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Last Saturday I met Bogsle carrying a box with "Arcam Diva" CD Player! he is with Audioslave nagmamadali umuwi hehehe! Sir Nolan any review sa new precious mo? :o
Sir, box lang po yon. Nag mamadali kami kasi may maganda dun sa lobby, gusto namin makita. ;D
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But seriously, like what I mentioned to the others, it's definitely more laidback, detail was good but not earpeircing, solid bass response, sweet sounding and not harsh on the instruments being played, and big soundstage. However, I've noticed the vocals are not as good yet. Need more time to breakin pa. Tried it with audioslave's M99 for the first time and mas maganda pa yung 542 nya.
Definitely there is a change from the Rotel and some improvements as well. But I would say the player needs more time to mature.
It was a good thing though I was able to dispose of the other CDP. Napapa-away ako eh dahil dun eh. Sorry talaga guys ha.
Best Regards.
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Bogsle,
Kaya pala kayo nagmamadali nun Saturday eh, congrats! Hope to hear it someday. :)
No problem sir, Fish tayo lahat dito. ;) :)
JojoD
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But seriously, like what I mentioned to the others, it's definitely more laidback, detail was good but not earpeircing, solid bass response, sweet sounding and not harsh on the instruments being played, and big soundstage. However, I've noticed the vocals are not as good yet. Need more time to breakin pa. Tried it with audioslave's M99 for the first time and mas maganda pa yung 542 nya.
Definitely there is a change from the Rotel and some improvements as well. But I would say the player needs more time to mature.
It was a good thing though I was able to dispose of the other CDP. Napapa-away ako eh dahil dun eh. Sorry talaga guys ha.
Best Regards.
Uy nagSOSOLo kayo ha... pa rinig naman nyan!!
Congrats pre!! ;D ;D
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But seriously, like what I mentioned to the others, it's definitely more laidback, detail was good but not earpeircing, solid bass response, sweet sounding and not harsh on the instruments being played, and big soundstage. However, I've noticed the vocals are not as good yet. Need more time to breakin pa. Tried it with audioslave's M99 for the first time and mas maganda pa yung 542 nya.
Definitely there is a change from the Rotel and some improvements as well. But I would say the player needs more time to mature.
It was a good thing though I was able to dispose of the other CDP. Napapa-away ako eh dahil dun eh. Sorry talaga guys ha.
Best Regards.
Kaya pala naglaho na parang bula yung dalawa nun sabado. :o ;D Congrats bogsle! :D :D
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oy oy, magkano score mo dyan sir? hope we can share the experience some day. congrats sir bogsle!
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oy oy, magkano score mo dyan sir? hope we can share the experience some day. congrats sir bogsle!
Wanderlust,
Bro yan na kunin mo wag mo na pansinin yun cdp ko.. hehehehe ;D
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Bossing,
Bakit ka naman napapaaway? ;)
It was a good thing though I was able to dispose of the other CDP. Napapa-away ako eh dahil dun eh. Sorry talaga guys ha.
Best Regards.
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oy oy, magkano score mo dyan sir? hope we can share the experience some day. congrats sir bogsle!
Salamat sa lahat.
Kung sa magkano, well, masasabi ko lang, it's worth it. WATT HI FI can help those interested.
Definitely, I'll share information to the group.
Rght now, the vocals have improved, details have become better, and I noticed na mas laid back sya sure ako than my NAD before.
After a months breaking i parining ko ulit kay Audioslave. Magalig yan sa mga CDP write-ups eh.
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Bossing,
Bakit ka naman napapaaway? ;)
Fishing....hehehe.
Sir, sorry but I'd rather we forget na lang po.
Thanks.
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salamas sir bogs!
thank you for the review, keep us updated.
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whew! ang ganda ng bagong Musical Fidelity CD player :) :) kaka inis!!
(http://www.musicalfidelity.com/mf/Resources/Images/3617.jpg)
(http://www.musicalfidelity.com/mf/Resources/Images/3618.jpg)
(http://www.musicalfidelity.com/mf/Resources/Images/3614.jpg)
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vince,
wag mainis bro...pare pareho naman ang tunog ng mga yan...sa porma at presyo lang nagkaiba ;D
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vince,
wag mainis bro...pare pareho naman ang tunog ng mga yan...sa porma at presyo lang nagkaiba ;D
Nakow...Sir Narayan maraming napapag-isip sa sinabi mong yan... ;D
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vince, bigyan hustisya mo naman yung dalawang daan mong plaka. >:D pare pareho lang tunog niyan. ;D ;D ;D
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wag nyo na ipagkait sa akin ang mainis... yun lang naman kaya kong gawin eh ;D ;D di natin kaya yan... ;D ;D
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ok ba talaga iyung mga ss shanling cd players? nandito ako sa mainland china at naitanong ko doon sa sales director nila kung magkano iyung cd player na gusto ko sanang bilhin. kalapit siyudad lang namin iyung factory nila. 3 cd players bale ang naitanong ko at bale sa price na binigay nila sa akin ay tempting talaga. ang laki kasi ng price difference kung sa labas bibilhin. ito iyung mga models na naitanong ko with their prices in us dollars na.
CD-S100MKII - $360US
CD-S100 - $230US
SCD-S200 - $630US -SACD player nga pala ito
mail order bale ang mangyayari pero free siya since malapit nga lang sila dito sa tinutuluyan ko. advice lang mga dre????? thanks......
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Anyone heard of the LUXMAN D107u cd player? Saw one on display in a store and I couldn't find any info on it. For one, I think it's a hybrid cd player coz it has two horizontally mounted tubes peeking out of a window and some IC/SS inside. Also, I don't know if the price being offered (mga P10k yata) is reasonable for the unit.
Would appreciate any reviews/feedback on it. Thanks...
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ok ba talaga iyung mga ss shanling cd players? nandito ako sa mainland china at naitanong ko doon sa sales director nila kung magkano iyung cd player na gusto ko sanang bilhin. kalapit siyudad lang namin iyung factory nila. 3 cd players bale ang naitanong ko at bale sa price na binigay nila sa akin ay tempting talaga. ang laki kasi ng price difference kung sa labas bibilhin. ito iyung mga models na naitanong ko with their prices in us dollars na.
CD-S100MKII - $360US
CD-S100 - $230US
SCD-S200 - $630US -SACD player nga pala ito
mail order bale ang mangyayari pero free siya since malapit nga lang sila dito sa tinutuluyan ko. advice lang mga dre????? thanks......
its kinda cheap.:) saang province yan sir?
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Just wondering mga bossing...given the opportunity alin pipiliin nyo ?
Rotel RCD02+MF XPSUv3+XDACv3+X10v3
or
ARCAM CD82
already got the RCD02+MF XPSU+DACv3 and thinking of getting X10v3
ngalang I saw this Arcam CD82 which gives me the idea of selling my RCD02 and XPSU/XDACv3 and get instead the Arcam CD82.
What do you think ?
TIA
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Sir KEN,
Audition lang katapat nyan :) But I would opt for the RCD-02 + X-gears.
Btw, if you do choose the X-gears, could you compare the sound of the RCD-02 system w/ a DVD player + X-gears?
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Sir boomjam,
I have no experience with Luxman CDs but i found this post about your Luxman D107u.
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/digital/messages/31823.html
Find a 2nd hand Luxman D103u, D105u, or D107u CD player and you will never let it go. Particularly the D107u it has:
-Robust Luxman Custom Mechanism
-18 bit Twin D/A
-Valve output stage (tubes visible through front panel)
-Transformer coupled output, to reduce requirement for steep digital filtering
-Motorised Volume Potentiometer
and SOUNDS GREAT.
-No Electrolytic capacitors in the signal path- only high quality plastic film or film and foil capacitors.This is not the case with the vast majority (probably 99%) of Cd players.
It sold for about $2500 Australian in the late 1980's.
Start Searching. Lots of Luck.
JOEY
2500 auds!!!!
whoa.
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Sir KEN,
Audition lang katapat nyan :) But I would opt for the RCD-02 + X-gears.
Btw, if you do choose the X-gears, could you compare the sound of the RCD-02 system w/ a DVD player + X-gears?
hi bubblebee,
Yung nga problema ko hindi ko ma audition wala kasi yung dealer dito sa area ko.
but last night I'm more inclined doon sa Rotel+MF combination medyo versatile
and secondly mahirap din mag dispose ng gear at the right price.
Probably I will have it end of this month or 1st week of next month... I'll post my findings dito para ma share ko sa mga fellow members.
cheers
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Just wondering mga bossing...given the opportunity alin pipiliin nyo ?
Rotel RCD02+MF XPSUv3+XDACv3+X10v3
or
ARCAM CD82
already got the RCD02+MF XPSU+DACv3 and thinking of getting X10v3
ngalang I saw this Arcam CD82 which gives me the idea of selling my RCD02 and XPSU/XDACv3 and get instead the Arcam CD82.
What do you think ?
TIA
For me, Arcam CD82 will give justice. Too much Interconnects, simplify your system, the more connections the more variables that affects the integrity of the sound (IMO), maybe can resolve by identical IC.
But the best thing to do as bumblebee mentioned follow your ears! AUDITION! AUDITION!
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For me, Arcam CD82 will give justice. Too much Interconnects, simplify your system, the more connections the more variables that affects the integrity of the sound (IMO), maybe can resolve by identical IC.
But the best thing to do as bumblebee mentioned follow your ears! AUDITION! AUDITION!
thnks sir odyopayl for your reply...I wish nga sana I could listen to these gears but at my present situation mukhang malabo. ARCAM CD82 I guest sounds good as well as simplify things - but I realize it would be very hard for me to sell my other stuff at reasonable price and secondly the MF+Rotel combi can be use/test on the DVDP as bubblee suggested...may be if budget permits in the future and won't be ok with the MF+Rotel combi; ARCAM CD82+X10v3 is a desirable setup ...specially with the ARCAM dual Wolfson 24b/192k DAC and Burr Brown op-amp + I guest it can be upgraded to CD93 by simply replacing certain module...these features actually are the ones that gives me the idea of getting the CD82 but at my present situation now, I believed the Rotel+MF combi...is more favorable for me.
thanks again sir...
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thnks sir odyopayl for your reply...I wish nga sana I could listen to these gears but at my present situation mukhang malabo. ARCAM CD82 I guest sounds good as well as simplify things - but I realize it would be very hard for me to sell my other stuff at reasonable price and secondly the MF+Rotel combi can be use/test on the DVDP as bubblee suggested...may be if budget permits in the future and won't be ok with the MF+Rotel combi; ARCAM CD82+X10v3 is a desirable setup ...specially with the ARCAM dual Wolfson 24b/192k DAC and Burr Brown op-amp + I guest it can be upgraded to CD93 by simply replacing certain module...these features actually are the ones that gives me the idea of getting the CD82 but at my present situation now, I believed the Rotel+MF combi...is more favorable for me.
thanks again sir...
The truth about selling pre-owned items too much depreciation on the original cost no matter the condition of your item :'(
Anyway, you have an excellent present digital combi! enjoy it!
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The truth about selling pre-owned items too much depreciation on the original cost no matter the condition of your item :'(
Anyway, you have an excellent present digital combi! enjoy it!
Thanks sir...
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Question guys,
if you are going to hook up your CDP to your receiver and the receiver has 192khz/24 bit DAC, does this mean the receiver does the DAC job and you dont need CDPs with hi tech DACS?
TIA
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Sir Matz,
IMHO, that's right, same as my present setup. The receiver does the DAC job, tipid pa! :)
Platinum
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Question guys,
if you are going to hook up your CDP to your receiver and the receiver has 192khz/24 bit DAC, does this mean the receiver does the DAC job and you dont need CDPs with hi tech DACS?
TIA
Assuming your connection is via digital, that's correct your Receiver DAC work 24/192. However, this doesn't mean you have already your best CD player. Good CD player doesnt end with good DAC's there are audiophile grade CD players that still stock with 24/96 transfer. In my experience, I have a DVD player with a 24/192 analog out, but it can't outperformed my 24/192 CD player. There are a lot of factor to consider in a good CD player. These are the following (this is just me)
1. Wide soundstage
2. Weight (dapat medyo mataba tumonog)
3. AMBIANCE (it should be spatial)
4. Layering (You can distinguished prooerly sized location of the instruments through the soundstage depth.)
I usually used different Test CD for it.
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You can have a good DAC but the CDP still sounds bad. After the D/A IC, you have an I-V converter, a filter and DC blocking caps. From experience, I-V converter and filter for most CDs and DVDs are pretty good however, it is the DC blocking caps I believe that mostly screws things up. For all the mods I performed this is the area where I see most improvement as such I am now concentrated only on this (90%) and the AC line filter (10%). Everything else I have ignored.
I believe most designers and manufacturers leave this one out so they can have segregated pricing and still maintain PCB layout and bill of materials. I think it is a good strategy on their part. In fact looking into the Sony CDPs I've owned the high end and low end have same D/A converter and practically same output circuit block only major difference is the DC blocking caps!
Inasmuch as I want to modify lots of components, I believe I cannot match company resources of these designers and manufacters. They practically have all the cards and most problems should have already been addressed.
Have also looked into the clock circuit and based on TNT audio and other people who have tested re-clockers the improvement is not significant enough to be heard by people without golden ears - eg me.
So based on my experience, to outperform this so called high end CDs you only need to focus on the DC blocking caps and improve AC line filtering (by differential choke and/or differential caps).
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You can have a good DAC but the CDP still sounds bad. After the D/A IC, you have an I-V converter, a filter and DC blocking caps. From experience, I-V converter and filter for most CDs and DVDs are pretty good however, it is the DC blocking caps I believe that mostly screws things up. For all the mods I performed this is the area where I see most improvement as such I am now concentrated only on this (90%) and the AC line filter (10%). Everything else I have ignored.
I believe most designers and manufacturers leave this one out so they can have segregated pricing and still maintain PCB layout and bill of materials. I think it is a good strategy on their part. In fact looking into the Sony CDPs I've owned the high end and low end have same D/A converter and practically same output circuit block only major difference is the DC blocking caps!
Inasmuch as I want to modify lots of components, I believe I cannot match company resources of these designers and manufacters. They practically have all the cards and most problems should have already been addressed.
Have also looked into the clock circuit and based on TNT audio and other people who have tested re-clockers the improvement is not significant enough to be heard by people without golden ears - eg me.
So based on my experience, to outperform this so called high end CDs you only need to focus on the DC blocking caps and improve AC line filtering (by differential choke and/or differential caps).
Hi-end equipments sometimes very subjective. It's always depends on the ears of the beholder (not to mention how deep is his pockect). I've heared a lot of high-end as well as mid-end CD players you will never know the difference unless for an A-B comparison. THere are few people can tell whats the difference between the following CD players: Meridian; Elgar Ring; Mark levenson, Musical Fidelity etch. Sabi nga nilaif you can't hear difference between your DVD player and the above players mapalad ka.
DAC's; OP-Amp as well as the Clock of a CD player, plays a major role on how your player will sound. There are tweakable players but still their sonic capability is still limited. ask some audiophiles that spends $KK in their digital source but often back(appreciate) their record player ;D. Just me.
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DAC's; OP-Amp as well as the Clock of a CD player, plays a major role on how your player will sound. There are tweakable players but still their sonic capability is still limited. ask some audiophiles that spends $KK in their digital source but often back(appreciate) their record player ;D. Just me.
Understand this but don't you think the engineers or designers are not doing their job? Most manufacturers test their products electrically and acoustically. So I don't quite understand how can we be better than them. They have more equipment (anechoic chambers etc etc), resource persons to test their designs and definitely more money. How do we stack up against these odds?
I have done extensive work on this but my lower end CDP beat a higher end CDP with better DAC, clock circuit and Op-amps. With the same output DC blocking circuit the higher end CDP equalled my low end CDP. The I-V and filter circuits are standard circuit blocks. I believe manufacturers and designers already know this.
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So based on my experience, to outperform this so called high end CDs you only need to focus on the DC blocking caps and improve AC line filtering (by differential choke and/or differential caps).
sir rascal,
how did u tweak the dc blocking cap part? i have read one tweak about the sony playstation 1 (for audio) is to by-pass/remove the dc blocking cap (that connects to the rca out) after the DAC.
click here to read the mod's details (http://dogbreath.de/PS1/output/output.html)
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I based on the work from Walt Jung. Here's the link
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=43433.0
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Understand this but don't you think the engineers or designers are not doing their job? Most manufacturers test their products electrically and acoustically. So I don't quite understand how can we be better than them. They have more equipment (anechoic chambers etc etc), resource persons to test their designs and definitely more money. How do we stack up against these odds?
I have done extensive work on this but my lower end CDP beat a higher end CDP with better DAC, clock circuit and Op-amps. With the same output DC blocking circuit the higher end CDP equalled my low end CDP. The I-V and filter circuits are standard circuit blocks. I believe manufacturers and designers already know this.
Tanong bro.
Di kaya yung cost of working on the lower end CDP would have already bought you a much higher end CDP? Not to mention the time and effort put into it. ::)
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You can have a good DAC but the CDP still sounds bad. After the D/A IC, you have an I-V converter, a filter and DC blocking caps. From experience, I-V converter and filter for most CDs and DVDs are pretty good however, it is the DC blocking caps I believe that mostly screws things up. For all the mods I performed this is the area where I see most improvement as such I am now concentrated only on this (90%) and the AC line filter (10%). Everything else I have ignored.
I believe most designers and manufacturers leave this one out so they can have segregated pricing and still maintain PCB layout and bill of materials. I think it is a good strategy on their part. In fact looking into the Sony CDPs I've owned the high end and low end have same D/A converter and practically same output circuit block only major difference is the DC blocking caps!
Inasmuch as I want to modify lots of components, I believe I cannot match company resources of these designers and manufacters. They practically have all the cards and most problems should have already been addressed.
Have also looked into the clock circuit and based on TNT audio and other people who have tested re-clockers the improvement is not significant enough to be heard by people without golden ears - eg me.
So based on my experience, to outperform this so called high end CDs you only need to focus on the DC blocking caps and improve AC line filtering (by differential choke and/or differential caps).
Tanong bro.
So by putting in the CDP a well known DAC like Burr-Brown's puts bias on the choice of product by consumers, but does not necessarily mean the product is superior in playing music. We're being misled!
So next time, when buying a CDP we should identify the DC blocking caps being used and refer to it instead of the old habit of knowing the DAC, whether its Burr-Brown, Wolfson, etc. Hmmm, is this so? ::)
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So next time, when buying a CDP we should identify the DC blocking caps being used and refer to it instead of the old habit of knowing the DAC, whether its Burr-Brown, Wolfson, etc. Hmmm, is this so?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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When in doubt, test. ::)
Suggest you perform testing to refute above statements. Also suggest that you get a copy of the Linear Design Seminar from Analog Devices. Hope you are not using the internet or word of mouth as your primary means to get information.
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So next time, when buying a CDP we should identify the DC blocking caps being used and refer to it instead of the old habit of knowing the DAC, whether its Burr-Brown, Wolfson, etc. Hmmm, is this so?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Burr-brown has been bought by TI.
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Improving power filtering and upgrading the coupling caps in CD players have long been a staple of DIY electronics. This guy asserts the choice of DAC also matters: (http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/xentar/1179/theory/vasfda/vasfda.html).
But I'm not one who can verify if this is true or not since I'm no techie. According to TL, among other factors that make some DACS superior than others, is that a lot of DACs now incorporate an analog stage into the chip, which according to TL were mostly poorly implemented.
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Understand this but don't you think the engineers or designers are not doing their job? Most manufacturers test their products electrically and acoustically. So I don't quite understand how can we be better than them. They have more equipment (anechoic chambers etc etc), resource persons to test their designs and definitely more money. How do we stack up against these odds?
Possible reasons: cost considerations, product positioning, pricing strategy. It's often been asked, why use an electrolytic for that DC blocking cap--surely the manufacturer could have spent a little more and charged a little more to have that replaced with a film capacitor?
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In terms of I/V conversion---I have yet to come across an opinion that active I/V conversion via opamps is superior to simple I/V conversion via a bunch of resistors. Of course, it doesn't confirm that passive I/V conversion is universally superior, but its easier for me to accept--intuitively that is--because of the simplicity of passive over active I/V conversion.
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Sir Odyopayl,
To understand how well a circuit sounds or performs means taking (in this case a CD) apart. Ganda iyung DAC pero pangit iyung mga caps dun sa signal path - wala rin. Tama circuit pero paikot-ikot layout - wala rin! Good sound means correct circuit and correct layout. In the circuit aspect alone, halos wala ng innovation specially in CD players. So, why follow conventional logic ... palit palit piyesa. You need to go one step further and understand how to get the most bang for the buck ...
Take this, alam mo ba na iyung higher order filters of most CDPs today do not filter out properly 20KHz signals and up. Why, because a brick wall filter does not have a 90degree slope that's why. Sa textbook lang iyun. Pero it does its job because most of the unwanted noise is filtered out - or does it?
I can't overemphasize layout ...
What you and I do not see is how manufacturers layout their PCBs. Alam mo ba na kung may konting mali sa layout malaki na effect electrically. Iyung lang umangat ng konti iyung piyesa puwede na bumagsak sa EMI! Iyung lang humaba iyung loop area dun sa amp section pumapangit na gain/phase response and tumataas noise.
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In terms of I/V conversion---I have yet to come across an opinion that active I/V conversion via opamps is superior to simple I/V conversion via a bunch of resistors. Of course, it doesn't confirm that passive I/V conversion is universally superior, but its easier for me to accept--intuitively that is--because of the simplicity of passive over active I/V conversion.
Tama ka Sir Garp. Most current sensing circuits today uses precision resistors. In fact, puwede siguro gumamit ng hecnum wire. Check ko muna ...
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pabor ako dyan! ;D
Sir Odyopayl,
What you and I do not see is how manufacturers layout their PCBs. Alam mo ba na kung may konting mali sa layout malaki na effect electrically. Iyung lang umangat ng konti iyung piyesa puwede na bumagsak sa EMI! Iyung lang humaba iyung loop area dun sa amp section pumapangit na gain/phase response and tumataas noise.
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What you and I do not see is how manufacturers layout their PCBs. Alam mo ba na kung may konting mali sa layout malaki na effect electrically. Iyung lang umangat ng konti iyung piyesa puwede na bumagsak sa EMI! Iyung lang humaba iyung loop area dun sa amp section pumapangit na gain/phase response and tumataas noise.
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Yup, I agree. This is part of our Job in Reliability & Failure analysis :)
'Yung umagat na piyesa" we call it tombstone (SMD terminology)
Things now becomes complicated with respect to PCB making. There are 2-15 layers or maybe more is already available in the market.
Lets make things complicated. What can you say about the sonic difference between Surface Mount Device as compared to Thru Hole Technology. Electronic part are now getting smaller, some are using "bare Die" using flipchip technology.
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Mas pabor sa akin ang maliit na piyesa. Mas maliit loop areas. I would however limit the use of SMDs to control or drive circuits specially for passive components. Ok lang for semiconductors.
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Yup, I agree. This is part of our Job in Reliability & Failure analysis :)
Sir anong company po kayo. Test/Product engineer kasi ako dati ng converters at op-amps dun sa Analog Devices.
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Sir Garp, Odyopayl,
Maganda rin i-mod iyung I/V converter at voltage reference nung DAC. Kung titignan natin, itong mga circuit at piyesa ay napakahalaga dahil kung may inaccuracy iyung I/V converter eh di mali iyung output signal papunta sa op-amp o amplifying device. Tapos kung hindi accurate iyung voltage reference nung DAC eh di mali di ang pag convert from digital to analog.
Halimbawa, kung may ginagamit tayo na voltage reference na 2.5V at ang accuracy niya ay 1% over commercial temp range, ibig sabihin puwedeng lumihis siya ng +/-25mV. Ibig sabihin iyung voltage reference pala naglalaro from 2.475 to 2.525V! Eh kung 16bit iyung converter with 38.1uV resolution, palpak na palpak pala iyung reference. Dapat at least kalati man lang ang accuracy niya sa 38.1uV or with +/-19uV ang upper at lower limit. No wonder, kahit sangkatutak mod natin kulang pa rin kung di natin inaayos voltage reference. Dagdagan pa nung I/V conversion process ...
Kung hindi man kaya iyung ganitong resolution at least pumili ng < 0.05% accuracy. Mas mabuti na ito kesa sa 1%. Ano kaya gamit ng CDP ko?
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My CDP uses a D/A converter with an internal voltage reference :'(
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Just curious if all these conversions are necessary when you use S/PDIF connection to your receiver. And knowing that the receiver will just convert your analog signals into digital before they even reach the volume controls, why use the analog out of a digital player ??? TIA
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Do you have a typical block diagram for a receiver? I'm getting confused ... The receiver is capable of receiving analog and digital signals right? If the signal is analog, then it goes to a A/D, DSP then D/A right? If its digital then DSP and then D/A right?
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Typical of most receivers is to convert all analog input signals to digital, thus, D/A. If you use the digital input, then no D/A conversion is done, and all the signals are now merrily in the digital domain until they get pass the DAC.
But that's not the point of my question. I was asking if the conversions being discussed to alter the characteristics of the player's after-DAC analog stages would matter if you used the digital out. And even if you've achieved a perfect analog signal out of the digital player, by tweaking the digital clock, I/V conversion, the op amp chips, the voltage reference, etc, what benefit would that do when the receiver just converts it back to digital when playing through a typical receiver? Wouldn't you be back to square one? Now for you to restore the perfect analog signal you got from a tweaked CD player, wouldn't you have to do the same tweaks to the receiver's DAC and associated circuits?
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Conversion to digital is A/D or ADC - analog to digital converter.
If you used the digital out of your CDP to the receiver, the analog stage of the CDP is useless.
Yes I'm afraid you need to mod your receiver too.
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oops, right, A/D, got me confused there. Thanks.
As I suspected. So do you guys modify the receiver DACs and associated DAC circuits as well?
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I used to do it but changed tack. It voids warrantys and makes the CDP or DVD look bad. I have never touched the inside of a CDP or DVD since then. Nowadays all mods I do are external. Can't discuss it though ;)
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Modifying does entail risk. Personally, since i'm using a digital source anyway, I prefer to go the digital route all the way from source to the DAC before it finally goes to the power amps. Modifying the player DAC and associated circuits can improve the sound but only if you feed that to an analog device like a tube or plain stereo integrated so you can hear the fruits of your labor. Otherwise, why bother. A receiver will just nullify all that labor when it converts the analog input to digital and back again right bfore the amp. The conversion from digital to analog out of the player and then from analog to digital when it reaches the receiver, then back to analog to feed the power amps seems like you get so many conversion losses along the way. At least in going digital all the way, there's only one D/A conversion taking place which is right before the power amp. The inescapable fact is that there will always be signal or data losses in any transciption from analog to digital and vice versa, or from any transciption from one format to another.
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I am using a marantz cd6000, when I was in the UK I was toying with the idea of getting it modified by Heart (i.e. add tubes and other stuff) but was very expensive...the tweak would end up more expensive than the player...
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The mods IMHO if just change parts to better one would be limited to very subtle improvements. After going through 2 CDP and 1 DVD mod, I don't think it's even worth it - even after modding the analog amp section and PSU section with a new circuit.
I have realized that you really need to get your hands dirty with some measurements first specially noise with a fairly good oscilloscope. You need to check from about 100Hz to 200KHz by varying the varing the time settings and see what kind of noise is present. Attack these noise issues with a filter circuit.
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...Nowadays all mods I do are external. Can't discuss it though ;)
in time, in time..:)
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sirs,best buy ba to? technics cdp model SL-PG3. my balikbayan neighbor is selling this. The unit looks new at walang gasgas, 220V pa. I checked sa internet for d specs:
MASH* 1 Bit DAC
Newly developed TUI-Core transformer with low leakage flux
Optical digidal output
Center disc tray design and centrally located optical mechanism for weight distribution
10 key direct access on main unit
20 selection random access programming
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2K pala ang selling price nya. ok na ba to mga bro? thanks