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Just want to invite all tube lovers to visit AUDIO AMPLIFIED INC. thread for Cayin factory tour pics :D
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sir, magkakaroon ba kayo nito?
(http://www.interceptor.dk/images/Cayin/cayin%20tube/cayinA88T_725.jpg)
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ganda nyan bro akyat may remote na tube amp ganda rin kaya tunog????
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cayin a-88t?? ??? meron yata sa website nila
http://www.audioamplified.com/Frames/Amps/Amps.htm
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They will carry that model :) that amp can be set to triode mode as well
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Yes... we will have that amp! Its an award winning amp with either kt-88 or 6550 tubes. Excellent sound and workmanship. Versatile too... it has pre-in so you can use it as a power amp as well.
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audioamp,
San pwede ma audition yan?? :) :)
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Sir Hans,
Sorry for the late reply :-[, soft opening is October 17 its official!
or you can visit 30/F Room 3005 Antel Global Condo. Please call first we're always out of the office, busy kasi sa pagset-up ng store.
Cheers :)
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hans, sama ako ha pag audition mo.
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Sir akyat,
Gone there yesterday with rossifumi at Audio amplified office to audition Aurum Cantus speaker..
Heard the Cayin monoblock and Kt88 + Cayin tube cdp with Aurum Cantus..
Initial impression GALING TALAGA NG RIBBON tweeters!!! ;D ;D silky smooth. :o :o
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Sir akyat,
Gone there yesterday with rossifumi at Audio amplified office to audition Aurum Cantus speaker..
Heard the Cayin monoblock and Kt88 + Cayin tube cdp with Aurum Cantus..
Initial impression GALING TALAGA NG RIBBON tweeters!!! ;D ;D silky smooth. :o :o
Sir Hans, I'm interested with the Aurum Cantus speakers, what particular model is it?
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Odyopayl,
Bro leisure 2 yun na auditioned namin around 34k ata.. refined, but i believe still need break in since it was only run in 20 hours out of the box.. baka next week open na shop nila sa Libis exclusive distributor sila..
Abangan..
they carry the ff:
Cayin tube amp
Cayin tube Cd player
Aurum Cantus speaker
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Btw Cayin products also available kay Hyperaudio.
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I have the CD player and its very good. Im looking at the preamp and amp.
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Sir Levi,
Sir Hans,
Thanks for the very nice feedback :)
Sir Hans, nice meeting you :)
Sir Akyat, please drop by the store next week :)
We carry the full line of Aurum Cantus Speaker, Cayin products and Classics Audio ;D
Please visit:
www.audioamplified.com
www.aurumcantus.com
www.cayin.com
www.sparkaudio.com
Classic audio site to follow
Cheers :)
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Try their products. I went there last Sat for audition.
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Sir Levi,
Sir Hans,
Thanks for the very nice feedback :)
Sir Hans, nice meeting you :)
Sir Akyat, please drop by the store next week :)
We carry the full line of Aurum Cantus Speaker, Cayin products and Classics Audio ;D
Please visit:
www.audioamplified.com
www.aurumcantus.com
www.cayin.com
www.sparkaudio.com
Classic audio site to follow
Cheers :)
Same here sir.. Galing nun KT88..
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sir hans... why dont you drop by our store again. Last time you listened to our products at our office which isnt the best listening environment. This time makakaupo ka na ng matino he he he. :)
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Uy cge sir will try to visit your shop.. sama ako ng magugulo.. ;D ;D
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Uy cge sir will try to visit your shop.. sama ako ng magugulo.. ;D ;D
Ooisst, pag free ako pasabay ha... sama ako dyan. :)
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The more the merrier... ;D If you are visiting tomorrow please visit before 6pm because someone wants to home audition our speakers so will be out to set it up for the dude :) Service deluxe kami.
We might be doing some medifications in our listening room friday but it should be fully usable again monday. FYI lang po. Sorry still trying to make the place perfect for our customers.
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You are welcome guys, We really need a hand to move those heavy amps ;D ;D Your right Audioamp the more the merrier ;D ;D
Just sms us so we can set up what amp you want to audition :)
Thanks :)
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had a chance to drop by the libis showroom and auditioned the kt88 integrated and another smaller model- Mt12, ung equivalent ng el84 yata driving the aurum cantus leisure 2 and a very nice looking floorstander. initial impression was very good. the small amp can even drive the floorstander with relative ease :D will go back when they already have the mt35 which from reviews is said to be very good as well.
thanks so much to noel and tyrone ;)
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You are welcome anytime sir and it was also a pleasure to meet you. Our mt-35 should be available for audition next week. Like all our products it will be out of the box so hindi pa broken in.
A lot of people are surprised how the mt-12 can drive the big floor standers with ease.
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had a chance to drop by the libis showroom and auditioned the kt88 integrated and another smaller model- Mt12, ung equivalent ng el84 yata driving the aurum cantus leisure 2 and a very nice looking floorstander. initial impression was very good. the small amp can even drive the floorstander with relative ease :D will go back when they already have the mt35 which from reviews is said to be very good as well.
thanks so much to noel and tyrone ;)
Sir nag solo ka ha di mo kami sinama hehehehehe.. ;D
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Sir nag solo ka ha di mo kami sinama hehehehehe.. ;D
di naman...medyo odd lang ang sked ko compared sa inyo ;)
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Please drop by anytime, just sms us first :)
New stocks already at pier and we're hoping we can get it before audio fair :-[
cheers :)
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Sirs,
We would like to inform everybody that full line of Cayin amps are now available at Audio Amplified for auditioning.
Models include:
Integrated Amps:
MT-12
MT-35
TA-30
A300-B
A-88t
Pre Amps
LS-2
LS-6
Monoblocks
860
9084D
CD Players
CDT-15A
CDT-17A
Please refer to our website for specs www.audioamplified.com
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Check out the new products of Audio Amplified
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sirs,
pls pm me price of A-88T
thanks
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any reviews of the products here by now?
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We are proud to be selected as the authorized/exclusive dealer of Cayin and Aurum Cantus in Cavite.
Please check us out.
CYBER MACH's HI-FI & PRO-AUDIO
MEDS Bldg, Medicion 1A
Imus, Cavite
Tel/fax -(046)4713651
Mobile - 0917-5519625
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Auditions are now available for : Cayin MT-35, Cayin CDT-15A and Aurum Cantus Leisure 2 SV
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cyber
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i have the integrated amp.MT35 paired w/b&w 602s3 + MF x10d,,sarap makinig ang ganda ng tunog!! d ko na nga masyado nagagamit ht ko. thnx to sir. rollie of cybermachines & sir rene of hyperaudio. langit at lupa nga ang difference ng solidstate and TUBE AMP. ;D ;D
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i bet you na sobrang taba tumunog nyan with the x-10d....coz i tried that with a sovtek 6922 tubes in the x-10d and 2 pairs of MF X-Link interconnect. maganda nga.
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i bet you na sobrang taba tumunog nyan with the x-10d....coz i tried that with a sovtek 6922 tubes in the x-10d and 2 pairs of MF X-Link interconnect. maganda nga.
sir mlaki b difference ng stock n tube compare s sovtek 6922? i also heard that ecc88 telefunken is good.n try nyo n po b?
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Sir I'll compare it in three words.
Night and Day ;D
Pero sayang yung TELE if you're going to use sa X10D
Cheers
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i totally agree with Crisel. Night and Day ang result and sayang ang tele kung sa X-10D lang gagamitin...better use the tele in the dedicated tube amp and just use decent (according to your taste) tubes in the X-10D.
personally, i like the amperex gold pin and sylvania 6922s in the X-10D. sovtek is warm and too quiet.
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personally, i like the amperex gold pin and sylvania 6922s in the X-10D. sovtek is warm and too quiet.
I have these tubes... soon to sell OT
Cheers
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mga bro tnx s advice nyo. sayang nga un tele kung s x10d lng gagamitin kc halos same price n ng x10d un.pero pagiisipan ko pa din...! :) :)tnx ulit
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Minana ko yung 602S3 ni Jake and matched with my Cayin MT35 and NAD C542 CD player laid on vibrapods, speaker cable XLO ER11 shotgunned double run and as bridge. Perfect for my taste, very musical, neutral and versatile set-up. Thanks to Cybermms, Spectra, and Watt HiFi. Highly recommended.
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congrats pare! :D. ganda talaga 602s3.hirap nga humanap kapalit.pero ang pinagpipilian ko sa ngaun triangle heliade and dali ikon6. ;D
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Wow! pang high budget set up yan ah, Good luck bro. Thanks nga pala ulit. Sabi nga ng wife ko "Brandnew ba yan? Meron pa ba?"
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Any comments/ experience on the after sales service of Cayin here in Manila? Does the local dealer have the parts and competencey to repair the stuff their selling?
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i don't think you will have problems with the people behind the Audio Amplified on after sales. They have a great customer service so far, well-trained technicians and well-supported by their principal supplier.
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Greetings,
Audio Amplified is the exclusive distributor or Cayin Amplifiers for the Philippines. As such we have full support from the mother company - be it parts, technical or labor. We also have accredited serive centers who are technically trained by Cayin to servce their equipment.
Warranty for all Cayin products - 1 year parts and labor. 6 months for their tubes...
The same applies to Xindak, Classic and Aurum Cantus speakers.
Thanks
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Please visit the Audio Amplified thread for Cayin product updates.
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New products include the A-50T (second generation of the popular TA-30) and A-70T integrated amplifiers, CDT-17A tube CD player and SC-2 pre-amp.[/color][/size]
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sir please PM price for the Pre-amp SC-2 and Classic 9.0
Thanks!
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Please visit the Audio Amplified thread for Cayin product updates.
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New products include the A-50T (second generation of the popular TA-30) and A-70T integrated amplifiers, CDT-17A tube CD player and SC-2 pre-amp.[/color][/size]
pls pm firm cash prices and card prices. Thanks :)
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sir please PM price for the Pre-amp SC-2 and Classic 9.0
Thanks!
Sir you have a PM
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pls pm firm cash prices and card prices. Thanks :)
Send you a PM
Cheers
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Please visit the Audio Amplified thread for Cayin product updates.
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New products include the A-50T (second generation of the popular TA-30) and A-70T integrated amplifiers, CDT-17A tube CD player and SC-2 pre-amp.[/color][/size]
sir, pa-post naman pls ng prices, specs & pix for the benefit of everybody. otherwise, pa pm na lang pls. tnx a lot!
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Guys,
Saw this amps at Audio Amplified..
Its a multi channel tube amp.. ;D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/henryhans/Picture245.jpg)
Cayin preamp and Monoblock ( 845 power and 300B driver )
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/henryhans/946547f8.jpg)
Cayin 6550 monoblock
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/henryhans/Picture250.jpg)
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Please visit the Audio Amplified thread for Cayin product updates.
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New products include the A-50T (second generation of the popular TA-30) and A-70T integrated amplifiers, CDT-17A tube CD player and SC-2 pre-amp.[/color][/size]
A50T SRP42K
A70T SRP66K
CDT-17A SRP60K
SC-2 SRP 20K
Hope to see you soon guys
Cheers
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Guys,
Saw this amps at Audio Amplified..
Its a multi channel tube amp.. ;D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/henryhans/Picture245.jpg)
Sir Hans, this is a solid state amp ;D ;D ;D
Cheers
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Noel... di ba tube yan. The silver window umiilaw at bumabaga yung 12pcs 6550 tubes that power the 6 channels? Push-pull 200W per channel? ;D ;D ;D
Joke joke... solid state "audiophile" grade receiver yan. Meaning it is designed to match the sonic performance of the S200 Cayin SS integrated.
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Thanks for clarifing sir noel. ;D ;D
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Thanks for clarifing sir noel. ;D ;D
Sir,
We have very good line-up of tube amps and your most welcome to audition :)
Cheers
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Sige nga... share nga what you learned from Cayin engineers! ;D
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Sir,
These are the few things I've learn. Nuhaizi, Guifuren, Pengyou, Jinianpin
hehehe
Cheers
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Sir,
These are the few things I've learn. Nuhaizi, Guifuren, Pengyou, Jinianpin
hehehe
Cheers
Sir,
Heard your TA-30 definetely a must buy a refined sounding amp. :) wala na ganun hehehehe
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Sir,
Again... TA30 has been discontinued for a long time now. A version is TA30 MK-II or A50T with remote, triode and ultralinear mode. Better sounding than TA30, bigger power supply, bigger output trannies :) SRP42K 8)
Cheers
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Sir,
Again... TA30 has been discontinued for a long time now. A version is TA30 MK-II or A50T with remote, triode and ultralinear mode. Better sounding than TA30, bigger power supply, bigger output trannies :) SRP42K 8)
Cheers
Parang total upgrade na rin pala.. but with even the TA-30 saw some premium parts already which very good kasi no need to upgrade probably tube rolling na lang to NOS. :)
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Sir,
Its not really a total revamp. While the faceplate of the A-50 may look different; the internal circuitry is the same. The trannies are larger and they added a remote function too. The TA-30 is a wonderful amp. You can read the endless reviews on that unit... thus, all Cayin did was incorporate some consumer insights (need for a remote) and improve the trannies for better handling.
:D
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i concur to AudioAmp.
The TA30 is a wonderful amp that sounded so well even with the stock parts (comes with RealCaps, ALPS, JH, panasonic and two large Nichicon filter caps outside the chassis) and tubes. Never cease to amaze me how it blended well with my AE Evo 3... clear his (no sibilance), warm and clear mids and clean tight bass....and most of all, as Hans always say...the music is filled with drama, very involving.
If Cayin has been successful with the TA30, i don't think they'll go wrong with the A50T...it would be another Worth-Every-Centavo-Spent integrated tube amp.
Kudos!
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i concur to AudioAmp.
The TA30 is a wonderful amp that sounded so well even with the stock parts (comes with RealCaps, ALPS, JH, panasonic and two large Nichicon filter caps outside the chassis) and tubes. Never cease to amaze me how it blended well with my AE Evo 3... clear his (no sibilance), warm and clear mids and clean tight bass....and most of all, as Hans always say...the music is filled with drama, very involving.
If Cayin has been successful with the TA30, i don't think they'll go wrong with the A50T...it would be another Worth-Every-Centavo-Spent integrated tube amp.
Kudos!
Sir, Nicely said. Many thanks
Cheers
By the way, we will post picture of the new site, its still underconstruction. ITS HUGE! We had taken some pics :)
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Although the Cayin sounds nice out of the box, there's a lot lot more potential there if you change the coupling caps to high quality. I've done the usual upgrades---riken resistors, PS bypasses, telefunken preamp tubes, ultrafast rectifiers and even soldiered the grid resistor right next to the socket (that used to be on the pcb( bad idea)). But put all of those improvements together and they still won't equal the change in sound of a simple change in coupling caps.
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Although the Cayin sounds nice out of the box, there's a lot lot more potential there if you change the coupling caps to high quality. I've done the usual upgrades---riken resistors, PS bypasses, telefunken preamp tubes, ultrafast rectifiers and even soldiered the grid resistor right next to the socket (that used to be on the pcb( bad idea)). But put all of those improvements together and they still won't equal the change in sound of a simple change in coupling caps.
New age,
Coupling caps lang sarap talaga marunong mag DIY.. :)
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Change the caps to Solen or Mundorf MKP caps - hint hint hahaha.
Change the pre-amp tubes to amprex or mullard NOS ;D
Why am i telling you these since it will void the warranty. ;D ;D ;D
For all our customers who wish to upgrade... please coordinate with us so that we can record the changes and try to ask Cayin to extend their warranty (if possible).
All Cayin comes with the following warranty - 1 year parts and labor, 6 months for tubes (unless you step on them hahaha). Policy is direct replacement. If the unit has problems; we replace them with a new one instantly so you dont have to wait for repairs. Thats how confident we are with our products! :D
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All Cayin comes with the following warranty - 1 year parts and labor, 6 months for tubes (unless you step on them hahaha). Policy is direct replacement. If the unit has problems; we replace them with a new one instantly so you dont have to wait for repairs. Thats how confident we are with our products! :D
Very bold statement...
after the discussion with the cayin engineers ;D ;D ;D, and factory tour, we found out those people are very meticullous and cautious :)
R and D is first-rate :)
Will post pics very soon...
Cheers
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Change the caps to Solen or Mundorf MKP caps - hint hint hahaha.
Change the pre-amp tubes to amprex or mullard NOS ;D
Why am i telling you these since it will void the warranty. ;D ;D ;D
For all our customers who wish to upgrade... please coordinate with us so that we can record the changes and try to ask Cayin to extend their warranty (if possible).
All Cayin comes with the following warranty - 1 year parts and labor, 6 months for tubes (unless you step on them hahaha). Policy is direct replacement. If the unit has problems; we replace them with a new one instantly so you dont have to wait for repairs. Thats how confident we are with our products! :D
Galing naman even with some tweak pwede a honor warranty. :)
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how about implementing something like factory approved upgrades? that way warranty won't be voided. customers can have the option to upgrade certain parts ?
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Hans,
I love the sound of the TA30 on the stock caps and parts, changed the au7 to Mullard and the axx7 to telefunken smooth plate. the sound blends well with the AE Evo3...the kind of sound i go for... warm, involving, and laid-back. bakit ko pa nga ba dinidescribe sayo e narinig mo na yon!
Like i said, if the TA30 is that good, im sure the A50T is greater. Bili na mga Katoto!
this is not a paid advertisement.
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Hans,
I love the sound of the TA30 on the stock caps and parts, changed the au7 to Mullard and the axx7 to telefunken smooth plate. the sound blends well with the AE Evo3...the kind of sound i go for... warm, involving, and laid-back. bakit ko pa nga ba dinidescribe sayo e narinig mo na yon!
this is not a paid advertisement.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D di ba paid yan amp mo?? ;D ;D ;D
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Hey... as their General Manager Xu from cayin said "The mother company CATIC makes airplanes, so if something happens people die. They use the same quality with their audio equipment at Cayin."
;D
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Hey... as their General Manager Xu from cayin said "The mother company CATIC makes airplanes, so if something happens people die. They use the same quality with their audio equipment at Cayin."
;D
Kool! :D
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new_age,
sir yun ba amp mo yun may Adaptive Autobias Circuitry?
JojoD
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Hey... as their General Manager Xu from cayin said "The mother company CATIC makes airplanes, so if something happens people die. They use the same quality with their audio equipment at Cayin."
;D
:o :o :o :o :o ;D
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Crisel,
Sir any chance you'll bring in amp that are budget price ( 17k to 20k ) for our new tube converts? :) :)
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Sir,
We have a budget amp. The MT-12 and its SRP is only 25K. For cash we can offer 10% off which means this amp is only 22,500. Its a pretty powerful amp using EL-84 (family) tubes. In fact we can drive our music goddess floor standers using this amp. You can visit our showroom if you wish to expirience it in person.
The problem with the below 20,000 price point is that the quality will have to be compromised and Cayin being a high-end manufacturer isnt willing to develop products that can harm their brand image. This is like asking Krell to produce a mini-component. :)
Remember that all Cayin amps uses potted transformers, expensive point to point wiring and premium parts. Each amp is also tested for a week before releasing to market that is why they come with a warranty and a good resale value.
We do have solid state audiophile grade Xindak and Classic SS amps ar the 15,000 price point. I think these are very good value for money units.
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new_age,
sir yun ba amp mo yun may Adaptive Autobias Circuitry?
JojoD
JojoD,
Sad to say No :'( it's another brand that i cannot mention here. but what the heck, you'll do the biasing only once in a while and EL34 is such a versatile tube. One of these days, i'll borrow an A50T so i can personally compare it to the TA30. But i am very optimistic that the A50T is as great or even greater than the TA30.
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JojoD,
Sad to say No :'( it's another brand that i cannot mention here. but what the heck, you'll do the biasing only once in a while and EL34 is such a versatile tube. One of these days, i'll borrow an A50T so i can personally compare it to the TA30. But i am very optimistic that the A50T is as great or even greater than the TA30.
No need to be sad, it's just I "thought" it was the same as the other amp I saw. Nevertheless, your TA30 amp performed extremely well for my humble taste, especially when we tested those rock 'til you drop cds of yours.
Season's Greetings to all,
JojoD
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Sir,
We have a budget amp. The MT-12 and its SRP is only 25K. For cash we can offer 10% off which means this amp is only 22,500. Its a pretty powerful amp using EL-84 (family) tubes. In fact we can drive our music goddess floor standers using this amp. You can visit our showroom if you wish to expirience it in person.
The problem with the below 20,000 price point is that the quality will have to be compromised and Cayin being a high-end manufacturer isnt willing to develop products that can harm their brand image. This is like asking Krell to produce a mini-component. :)
Remember that all Cayin amps uses potted transformers, expensive point to point wiring and premium parts. Each amp is also tested for a week before releasing to market that is why they come with a warranty and a good resale value.
We do have solid state audiophile grade Xindak and Classic SS amps ar the 15,000 price point. I think these are very good value for money units.
Ok yan hope you can post pictures of the amps. :)
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Ok yan hope you can post pictures of the amps. :)
anong balak mo KoyA? ;D ;D ;D
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(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/iceymikeymousey/AudioAmplified/CayinMT12b.jpg)
CAYIN MT-12
With an unbeatable combination of great sound, elegant design and affordable pricing, the MT-12 integrated tube amplifier is for music lovers on a budget. EL-84 tubes allow this small amplifier to deliver 12 watts per channel of pure tube music.
Power Output: 2 x 12W (8 ohms)
Frequency Response: 20Hz ~ 20kHz ± 1dB
Total Harmonic Distortion: 2 % (1kHz)
Signal to noise ratio: 87 dB
Input Sensitivity: 230mV
Output Impedance: 4 ohms, 8 ohms
Vacuum Tube Component: 4 x EL 84, 2 x 12AU7, 1 x 12AX7
Dimensions: 315 x 240 x 160 mm
Weight: 9 kg
Power Consumption: 120W
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Sir... here is another budget level yet audiophile grade amp since we are talking about the 17-20t price range.
Xindak A70 - solid state amp. It also had a USB port for those who want to use it for their computer speakers.
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/iceymikeymousey/AudioAmplified/XindakA70.jpg)
I will post speacs tuesday....
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anong balak mo KoyA? ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D
koYA yun MT-12 mukhang yummy! ;)
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Master hans,
one time drop by me sa house mo and i'l bring my cayin mt-35 para ma audition mo. personally , I'm very satisfied with it. ;) ;) ;)
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Master hans,
one time drop by me sa house mo and i'l bring my cayin mt-35 para ma audition mo. personally , I'm very satisfied with it. ;) ;) ;)
Sure thanks in advance..
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Master hans,
one time drop by me sa house mo and i'l bring my cayin mt-35 para ma audition mo. personally , I'm very satisfied with it. ;) ;) ;)
ganda ngang tumunog ng MT35, i hooked up jakeadriano's MT35 before with the AE Evo3 with the stock tubes and by the way, jakeadriano's MT35 version is the one with the RealCaps, the same used in the TA30.... the earlier version of MT35 has a Cayin Brand caps....i prefer RealCaps version and no headphone input.... no sibilance at all, and the bass is something to crow about...deep taut bass...mid is warm and natural....laidback sounding...
pustahan tayo Hans, magmatch yan sa RS1...believe me. it's worth the try.
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new_age,
is hans looking for a new amp? mukhang ikaw naman ang nanghawa ng SARS k koya. ;D ;D ;D
hans,
bye AMX hello CAYIN? :o
new YEAR.....new AMP to pair with your new speakers? SUPORTAHAN TAKA!
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jetok,
i think Hans just wanted a new flavor, i doubt if he'll give up the AMX...sabi nga nya sa akin, love na love nya yun. EL84-based amp is not bad, gandang tumunog... a baby with a bite... very musical.... parang pinagsama na triode at pentode kung tumunog. Personally, hinahanap-hanap ko minsan ang tunog ng EL84, kaya lang talagang wala na akong space for it, kung meron lang I will keep mine. :'(
Hans,
Go go go! just go for the version with the RealCaps...you'll never go wrong.... Count me in...suportahan din ta ka all the way!
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new_age,
is hans looking for a new amp? mukhang ikaw naman ang nanghawa ng SARS k koya. ;D ;D ;D
hans,
bye AMX hello CAYIN? :o
new YEAR.....new AMP to pair with your new speakers? SUPORTAHAN TAKA!
Guys,
Thanks for the support... pero wala akong balak palitan yun AMX ko ;D ;D ;D ;D
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A50T aka TA-30 MKII sound very good out of the box ;D
Please visit audio amplified or our dealer for an audition :)
Cheers
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Dear friends....
I am happy to share that Audio Amplified is the fourth country to be included in the link of cayin's front page.
This legitimizes our authencity and our ability to provide the best service to our customers :)
http://sparkaudio.com/indexe.asp
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great to know that!
hoping you can maintain your professionalism and excellent customer service/support in the years to come.
kudos!
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great to know that!
hoping you can maintain your professionalism and excellent customer service/support in the years to come.
kudos!
We'll keer that in mind sir and we hope we can exceed their expections from Audio Amplified Group :)
Cheers
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Change the caps to Solen or Mundorf MKP caps - hint hint hahaha.
Change the pre-amp tubes to amprex or mullard NOS ;D
Why am i telling you these since it will void the warranty. ;D ;D ;D
For all our customers who wish to upgrade... please coordinate with us so that we can record the changes and try to ask Cayin to extend their warranty (if possible).
All Cayin comes with the following warranty - 1 year parts and labor, 6 months for tubes (unless you step on them hahaha). Policy is direct replacement. If the unit has problems; we replace them with a new one instantly so you dont have to wait for repairs. Thats how confident we are with our products! :D
Can you give me a cost estimate if ever I need to upgrade my 1 yr. old cayin MT35, and how long will it take (while u wait ba?)?
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Can you give me a cost estimate if ever I need to upgrade my 1 yr. old cayin MT35, and how long will it take (while u wait ba?)?
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MUNDORF CAPS!
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Can you give me a cost estimate if ever I need to upgrade my 1 yr. old cayin MT35, and how long will it take (while u wait ba?)?
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Sir, depends on what mundorf caps you'll using. You need to change 0.33uF x 2pc and 0.22uF x 4pc. Please browse our thread on mundorf caps for pricing. You have to leave your unit for a day or 2.
Cheers
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Just want to invite all tube lovers to visit AUDIO AMPLIFIED INC. thread for Cayin factory tour pics :D
Sir...Ask ko muna magkano ang Cayin Int. Tube Amp na nasa 30-40W x 2 (preferably penthode mode / push-pull parallel in dual mono-block configuration). Sa Eastwood ako nagwo-work at madalas kong makita iyong Audio Amplified on my way home. Gusto ko munang malaman ang price para makapag-set ako ng budget for an int. tube amp to pair my original UK Monitor Audio S6. Ayoko kaseng magpunta sa mga hifi shops kung hindi naka-ready ang cash ko baka kase tumulo lang ang laway ko.
Thanks....
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Sir...Ask ko muna magkano ang Cayin Int. Tube Amp na nasa 30-40W x 2 (preferably penthode mode / push-pull parallel in dual mono-block configuration). Sa Eastwood ako nagwo-work at madalas kong makita iyong Audio Amplified on my way home. Gusto ko munang malaman ang price para makapag-set ako ng budget for an int. tube amp to pair my original UK Monitor Audio S6. Ayoko kaseng magpunta sa mga hifi shops kung hindi naka-ready ang cash ko baka kase tumulo lang ang laway ko.
Thanks....
Sir all our intergrated amps is in a single chassis, our monoblocks is power amp only.
For integrateds we have MT-35 32watts/Channel ultralinear
A50T 35watts/channel ultralinear, 18watts/channel triode
A55T 40watts/channel ultralinear, 20watts/channel triode
A70T 30watts/channel ultralinear, 15watts/channel triode
Thanks
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Sir all our intergrated amps is in a single chassis, our monoblocks is power amp only.
For integrateds we have MT-35 32watts/Channel ultralinear
A50T 35watts/channel ultralinear, 18watts/channel triode
A55T 40watts/channel ultralinear, 20watts/channel triode
A70T 30watts/channel ultralinear, 15watts/channel triode
Thanks
Sir....How much is the A50T?
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A50 is 42t and it comes with remote control and uses EL34 tubes
We also have the MT-35 which is at 35t. EL-34 tubes but no remote. (32 watts if i am not mistaken). Visit our website audioamplified.com
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Noel,
What are the benefits of installing Mundorf Caps in the Tube Amp? How about in the CDP?
I hope you can post the advantages. I have an MT35 and the CDt15 cdp.
Prices na rin pls. if possible.
Thanks a lot!
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Noel,
What are the benefits of installing Mundorf Caps in the Tube Amp? How about in the CDP?
I hope you can post the advantages. I have an MT35 and the CDt15 cdp.
Larry, what speakers are you using with this set up ?
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Mundorf Caps can make the amp and CDP (which are already GREAT) sound 3x better hahaha.... okay thats too much. However, from our expirience as well as that of countless mt-35 and cdt-15 owners who have changed their caps from stock to mundorf, it provides better control of low frequencies (tighter bass), smoother mids and more details. In general, it optimizes your amps to the fullest.
If you research online, many US audiophiles get the MT-35, upgrade its caps and sell that amp for $3,000 or more! Thats how good it can sound. As for the price... well Mundorf has 4 models for the caps - ZN, Supreme, Silver Oil and Silver Gold. Noel can you kindly pm the prices for the kits.
Many thanks.
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Larry, what speakers are you using with this set up ?
Le_Stat,
I use monitor audio's S2. IMO, they match well with tubes. Just glad that the upgrade bug hasn't bitten me yet.
Cheers!
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Mundorf Caps can make the amp and CDP (which are already GREAT) sound 3x better hahaha.... okay thats too much. However, from our expirience as well as that of countless mt-35 and cdt-15 owners who have changed their caps from stock to mundorf, it provides better control of low frequencies (tighter bass), smoother mids and more details. In general, it optimizes your amps to the fullest.
If you research online, many US audiophiles get the MT-35, upgrade its caps and sell that amp for $3,000 or more! Thats how good it can sound. As for the price... well Mundorf has 4 models for the caps - ZN, Supreme, Silver Oil and Silver Gold. Noel can you kindly pm the prices for the kits.
thanks Audio Amplified! From the way you described it, it seems better for the amp. How about for the cdp? Same benefits? Sorry for all the questions . . .
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Of course there's also a big impovement on the CDP. It depends on what model of mundorf caps you'll use ;D
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okay, i'm convinced . . . i'll go to your store one of these days to schedule an audition. i'll send you a text message first to advise you.
one more query, do you sell other brands of tubes for the mt 35? what do you have in stock?
salamat!
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okay, i'm convinced . . . i'll go to your store one of these days to schedule an audition. i'll send you a text message first to advise you.
one more query, do you sell other brands of tubes for the mt 35? what do you have in stock?
salamat!
Sir,
We have in stock 6CA7 EH
Cheers
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Sir,
We have NOS pre-amp tubes and Electro Harmonics 6CA7. The 6CA7 is the military grade counterpart of EL-34. From our expirience they sound better than the EL-34 stock that the mt-35 comes with. Then again let your ears decide...
We are open mon-sat 1pm - 8pm and on sun or holidays by appointment. Will wait for your text. Thanks :)
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Sir AudioAmp,
Have additional queries pa pala - how many caps do i need to change in my mt-35 unit?
how about in the cdt-15 cdp? just worried na baka sa dami, maging too costly ;D
thanks noel for the prices!
all the best . . .
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Sir AudioAmp,
Have additional queries pa pala - how many caps do i need to change in my mt-35 unit?
how about in the cdt-15 cdp? just worried na baka sa dami, maging too costly ;D
thanks noel for the prices!
all the best . . .
Sir,
for cdt15a you need 3pc 0.1uF, 2pc 0.33uF, 2pc 2.2uF
for MT-35 you need 4pc 0.22uF and 2pc 0.33uF
Depends on what type of mundorf upgrade you want ;)
Cheers
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thanks crisel!
guys, if you want to upgrade your tube gears, i strongly recommend mundorf caps. had 'em installed in my mt-35 and i was surprised at how the soundstage improved. mids, highs, esp. the lows are now more defined.
can't wait to have my cdp tweaked as well.
thanks audioamp for bringing in mundorf!
all the best . . .
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Thanks for trying Mundorf caps... those caps really brings a new meaning to "tweaking" your amps. Wait till tey hit 200 hours and you will really feel - i mean HEAR the difference. With mundorf caps your MT-35 can now confidently go head to head against amps 3-4x its price :) Now thats value for money and that is what Audio Amplified is all about... making our customers happy for the least cash out.
Will wait for you to bring in your CDT-15A and hope you can write a review on it as well so as to share the mundorf secret with other audiophiles.
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Noel, thank you for your accomodation. Natanggalan na ako ng isang tinik ng pag-iisip kung anong amp kukunin ko. ;D
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Now, the wait begins to just complete the set up in a few more weeks. ;)
Andrew G.
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Thanks sir... we promise that you will be happy with that amp. Personally its one of the best integrated amps i've heard. We will gladly help you soup it up to tailor your personal taste.
BTW - please let us know when you decide to get the moon river mini. we can deliver it for you since these are big speakers! in the mean time we can even lend you a speaker if you want so that you can already start to enjoy your amp :)
Tyrone
One funny thing that happened is you got an amp that was totally different from the one you first considered... thats why we really recommend auditioning the system. Listening it for yourself is the ONLY way to know if an equipment is good for you or not.
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in the mean time we can even lend you a speaker if you want so that you can already start to enjoy your amp
I'll just wait nalang till i complete the set up para mas exciting ang experience. Thanks for the offer though. :)
One funny thing that happened is you got an amp that was totally different from the one you first considered... thats why we really recommend auditioning the system. Listening it for yourself is the ONLY way to know if an equipment is good for you or not.
Yeah, dun ako napunta sa mas mahal. :o hehehe. But I got to choose the unit that really suited my taste. 8) Dont forget also that this also happened on my decision sa speakers. Grabe, talk about overshooting the budget. At least I don't get to have that upgrade itch. It's going to be a long while before that happens.
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Le_Stat,
That's a nice amp . . . congratulations!
Pls. update us once you complete your set-up and kindly post your impressions.
Enjoy!
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Dont worry sir, we gave you a very good deal and all in all i think you overspent only by about 10% of your budget but got a set-up that is 30-50% better. To beat your current set-up convincingly you might need to spend about 60% more - (volla speakers na yun hehehe).
As for the upgrade itch... the moon river will give you speakers that can bring out the full potential of your amp. Whats left would be changing the pre-amp tubes to NOS and upgrading the caps to mundorf. I am sure sir Larry can attest to how much improvement a simple change to mundorf will bring to your system.
Keep in touch and feel free to ask if you have any questions..... we have to help you pa on your audio room design :)
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le_stat, congrats bro!...still mt reco is "you know what", hehehe! :D
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le_stat, congrats bro!...still mt reco is "you know what", hehehe! :D
Salamat! Wag lang sana ako madulas at mapadaan rin sa landas ng TT. Konting hintay nalang at buo na etong set up. Hirap kasi ma-audit. >:(
...... To beat your current set-up convincingly you might need to spend about 60% more - (volla speakers na yun hehehe).
....... and upgrading the caps to mundorf. I am sure sir Larry can attest to how much improvement a simple change to mundorf will bring to your system.
...... we have to help you pa on your audio room design :)
Yeah, the vollas. That's what I was thinking as the upgrade in the future.
As far as the Mundorf caps, ive heard about the price increase ha. :o
For the room design, yes I would have to get back to you on this. I just have to save more first for the total budget sa house.
Thanks ulit Tyrone! Il visit your store from time to time pag libre ako.
Regards,
Andrew G.
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Sir,
Remember the 3 rules before buying an Audio gear:
1. Audition
2. Audition
3. Audition
Don't rely on recommendation or hearsay ;D >:( :o
You have audition almost the entire fleet of cayin and conpared to your current amp you've heard the difference :)
Cheers
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Hindi niya pa naudition yung mono-blocks hehehe. kidding. TUKSO! Sama ng ugali ni noel... :P
Kidding lang sir... did you get the pre-amp tubes na? We can test the strength for you if you want. Just to be sure lang. Umm... maybe we can listen to it na rin hahaha :P
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Hindi niya pa naudition yung mono-blocks hehehe. kidding. TUKSO! Sama ng ugali ni noel... :P
Kidding lang sir... did you get the pre-amp tubes na? We can test the strength for you if you want. Just to be sure lang. Umm... maybe we can listen to it na rin hahaha :P
Mono blocks? :o Pag-laki ko na lang yan at maka-kuha ng magandang trabaho. ;)
Di ko pa nakuha pre-amp tubes. Medyo nag research pa like what I did for Cayin. Pero research is one thing, and auditioning is another. This past 2 months has been a crash course for me on tubes. ;)
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Feel free to ask Noel sa tubes. That guy walk and sleeps with tubes in his mind. Show him a tube and he will tell you the maker and year made plus review of its tonal character hehehe. Kung may jeopardy lang na topic tubes panalo na yan.
Basta always haggle for an actual test on tubes on whatever audio equipment you buy. Remember audio is very subjective and what one person likes mght not be true for the other.
I agree... you do not need naman mono-blocks. Just kidding with you on that. The A-70T should last you a long time and give you a lot of happy listening hours. :)
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AudioAmplified,
I got the Mundorfs already from a friend, pati yun Mundorf na may epoxy resin. ;) I have asked him to get the additional Mundorf requirements for our project. :)
Thank you
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AudioAmplified,
I got the Mundorfs already from a friend, pati yun Mundorf na may epoxy resin. ;) I have asked him to get the additional Mundorf requirements for our project. :)
Thank you
Sorry sir out of stock na :-[
We are just waiting for the proforma and once we send T/T 6 to 8 days stocks will be here :)
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Sayang naman di umabot sa old stocks. Anyway, hope my schoolmate still gets those caps.
Thanks!
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Our apologies my friend.
Its really hard to project Mundorf inventory. They have 4-5 variants and hundreds of values in each variant. Kaya the best we can do is order whenever there is a buildup of orders na and airfrieght it as soon as possible. :) Hope you understand our situation... we have to order in bulk to make sure we can pass on the airfrieght savings to all of you.
Thanks :)
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No problem with that as my friend can wait. :) Besides, we have to option to push the upgrade to a later date since we still have several projects waiting in line.
Thanks for the advice!
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AudioAmp,
Thanks for the Vandersteen 3A audition... awesome!
And that great amp, wow talaga! 8)
:)
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Yeah that amp is indeed a beauty. Power and sonic quality all rolled into one. Plus i think its one of the few amps that can give you 180watts with only 4 tubes per side.
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Thanks you sir your company. Its a very good amp, very fast and clean sound. ;D ;D ;D
Cheers
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Cayin will be at the Alabang Audio Fair Sep 22-24. Audition it there !!
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Le_Stat,
That's a nice amp . . . congratulations!
Pls. update us once you complete your set-up and kindly post your impressions.
Enjoy!
T-A-D-A !
Cayin A70T - 4 x Electro Harmonix 6CA7, Matsus**ta 5AR4, 2 x RCA 5751 triple mica blackplates, 2 x RCA 12au7 cleartops.
Cayin CDT15 - fully upgraded Mundorf Caps, 2 x 6922 Siemens
Aurum Cantus Moon River Mini - with Mundorf caps on xover
Xindak FA-1 Interconnects
Xindak FS-0.5 - x 2 pairs for biwiring the moon river. (im still contemplating though if I go all the way for FS-1)
What can I say? Match na match ! Kulang nalang upgrade ko caps ng A70T. ;D
BTW, this is my first step getting into the Audio World. Maka-laglag bulsa nga. Pero better than hanging out in Cafe de Malate or AF-1. ;D
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Well... remember you were planning to start off with a good system and slowly upgrade but instead we were able to convince you to finally opt the less expensive route (long-term) which is to get a system that will make you happy for years to come and forego with expensive upgrades in between :) If you did opt to go for a cheaper system it cold still be done but hey... you heard the difference :)
Happy that you are enjoying your system. Hope you can write a review when it has been fully broken in.
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From MT12 to MT35, A50 to A55. Then the A70t. Huge difference indeed in delivery. I didnt go for the A88 coz I'm more of an EL34 type. I can just switch to 6550 if the Mrs' wants to listen to Pussy Cat Dolls. ;D Yes, im very happy with the A70t. I can now go peacefully out of the house and instead of thinking to go into audio shops, I'd always go to Montage or Tower Records.
im now breaking in the whole system. Since low volumes lang at first for the speakers to break in which is set at 8:40 level, mukhang nasasanay ako sa sound level na yun ha. hehehe. Now I know that it does make a BIG difference to bi-wire the speakers. :-*
If I were to upgrade in the next 10 years, it would "maybe" be the Vandersteen 3CE with Ribbon Tweeters? Kung magkaroon man. hehehe.
I'd post again results after fully breaking in the set up.
....my only worries? Kung meron magpahiram ng Phono Stage at TT and ma-seduce ako mag LP's. :o
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You can break it in at variable volumes. Unlike engines.... breaking in speakers is different. Basically we what we want to happen is to allow the rubber on the woofers to reach their ideal elasticity and the molecules of the capacitors and wires to settle down. You wont blow the new woofer if you play it loud ... well not ear deafening loud i hope kasi kung mabingi ka sayang system mo ;D
The trick on bi-wiring helps noh hehehe... big difference!
Enjoy
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T-A-D-A !
Cayin A70T - 4 x Electro Harmonix 6CA7, Matsus**ta 5AR4, 2 x RCA 5751 triple mica blackplates, 2 x RCA 12au7 cleartops.
Cayin CDT15 - fully upgraded Mundorf Caps, 2 x 6922 Siemens
Aurum Cantus Moon River Mini - with Mundorf caps on xover
Xindak FA-1 Interconnects
Xindak FS-0.5 - x 2 pairs for biwiring the moon river. (im still contemplating though if I go all the way for FS-1)
What can I say? Match na match ! Kulang nalang upgrade ko caps ng A70T. ;D
BTW, this is my first step getting into the Audio World. Maka-laglag bulsa nga. Pero better than hanging out in Cafe de Malate or AF-1. ;D
andrew congrats! hebigat setup mo bro. sayang di mo na makikita si jamilla sa AF1 :(
this kinda system deserves to be posted sa HT picture gallery for all to see!
cheers ;D
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andrew, congratulations! why don't you post it at the member's set-up thread...you;ve gone a long-long way...hey, may nag-tip lang sa akin na may meron daw near matched quad na GE NOS 6CA7 power tubes...i'm just a text message away, hehehe!
yung 5751 mo, eto eh payong kaibigan lang naman, get a telefunken 12ax7 para mas bumilis ang amp mo...
ENJOY! :D
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...maganda kasi ang combo ng 12ax7 telefunken and rca cleartops 12au7...yan ang nasa preamp ko...
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...maganda kasi ang combo ng 12ax7 telefunken and rca cleartops 12au7...yan ang nasa preamp ko...
I'l try next time pag meron mahanap sa buy n sell sa kabila. Palagay ko depends rin sa taste, kasi I just talked to someone who owned a Telefunk and preferred the 5751 rca blackplates. Pero still, yes, Il try it pag meron. hehehe. Iba na matikman lahat ng tubo. ;D
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Dear Cayin Customers
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Cayin has informed all of their distributors to help carry out their counter grey market efforts so as to protect the integrity and quality of Cayin products overseas.
For background, Cayin sells a large number of “china version” CDT-15, MT-12 and MT-35 in China. For these “china versions” Cayin uses cheaper parts to lower their prices and compete locally as such they do not sound as brilliant as their export counterpart. To make matters worst, mainland-Chinese opportunists have from time to time purchased used unit to refurbish and export.
Cayin’s CDT-15 is by far the most popular of these models and we have encountered a few grey market units here in the Philippines. Below is a list of the serial number of all Cayin CDT-15A we sold in the past 1-1/2 year. If your unit’s serial number isn’t included in the list kindly report to us. As country distributor we will still service your unit but we have to report this to Cayin so that they can:
1) register your unit and provide the warranty
2) provide us supporting parts since china versions are slightly different from the export one
3) track down their local dealers who are into this dirty business and file legal charges.
All new Cayin units, CDT-17A, A-50T, A-55T, A-70T, SC-6LS, 788, 860, 9084D, SC-3, SC-2, 800MK, PS-2 are solely for export only so the grey market wont be a concern at all for these items.
We would also like to inform you that ALL Cayin Philippine products are 220V and 60Hz unlike the Chinese versions which are 220V and 50Hz. We made sure that the products we get are designed to perform well under Philippine conditions.
For added protection, by the end of this year Cayin products will carry a special seal for authenticity. We will share the seal with you as soon as it is available.
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Check out Cayin at the ALABANG AUDIO FAIR 2006.
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i think i missed the price of the cdt 15. can you please pm me? thanks
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INTRODUCING… CAYIN’s 50 SERIES
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A combination of value and performance; Cayin’s 50 SERIES offers 2 integrated amplifiers and 1 tube CD player
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CAYIN A-50T – described by Harry Weisfeld, owner of VPI Industries as “The best low-price amp I have ever heard, and it rivals some of the best amps in any price range."
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The Cayin A-50T uses four EL34s for 35 watts of Class AB amplification. The craftsmanship is absolutely first-rate, featuring point-to-point wiring, and each unit is hand-made and undergoes one week of continuous burn-in to ensure quality. The toroid power transformer and EI audio transformer are specially manufactured for the A-50T with low magnetic leakage, wide frequency response and low impedance. Two 12AX7EHs and two 12AU7s are used in the preamplifier. One nice feature is the ability to switch between ultralinear and triode by remote control.
US SRP: $1,195 - OUR PRICE: Php 42,000
Power Output: 2 x 35W (ultralinear)
2 x 16W (triode)
Tube Component: 4 x EL34, 2 x 12AU7, 2 x 12AX7
Frequency Response: 10Hz – 50 kHz
Output Impedance: 4 ohms, 8 ohms
Line Out: 4 lines
Dimension: 350 x 185 x 300mm
Weight: 13kg
CAYIN A-55T
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If you want more power you can choose the Cayin A-55T which is modeled after the well reviewed A-50T but comes equipped with KT-88 or 6550 tubes for more power, better bass authority and airiness. With the same first-rate craftsmanship, featuring point-to-point wiring, toroid power transformer and on the fly ultralinear and triode selector; the A-55T is one hard to resist.
Power Output: 2 x 40W (ultralinear)
2 x 18W (triode)
Tube Component: 4 x KT88, 2 x 12AU7, 2 x 12AX7
Frequency Response: 10Hz – 50 kHz
Output Impedance: 4 ohms, 8 ohms
Line Out: 4 lines
Dimension: 350 x 185 x 300mm
Weight: 13kg
US SRP: $1,395 - OUR PRICE: Php 50,000
CAYIN CD-50T
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Fact #1: Tube CD players need not be expensive.
Fact #2: Affordable CD players need not be mediocre.
Cayin’s CD-50T combines the KSS213Q Sony transport rated one of the best and modern transports; Burr Brown PCM-1732 DAC, 12AU7 tubes and Cayin’s acclaimed potted torroidal transformers to form one of the best CD player at its price point. The CD-50T comes in silver or black facing to match with Cayin’s A-50T and A-55T amplifiers.
Frequency Response: 20Hz – 20kHz
S/N Ratio: 90dB
Dynamic Range: 90 – 102dB (HDCD)
Tube Component: 1 x 12AU7
US SRP – still to be released but we expect it to be $900 - OUR PRICE: Php 28,000
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CAYIN A-70T
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The Cayin A-70T is the predecessor to the well reviewed A-88T. As an improvement, the A-70T uses bigger transformers (actually the biggest in Cayin's integrated line-up) as well as tube rectification. The end result is more power (55 watts per channel) and better dynamics throughout. It comes in either EL34s, 6CA7, KT-88 or 6550 versions.
US SRP: $1,975 - OUR PRICE: starts at Php 66,000
Power Output: 2 x 55W (ultralinear)
2 x 27W (triode)
Tube Component: 4 x (EL34/6CA7/KT-88/6550), 2 x 12AU7, 2 x 12AX7 x 1 x 5AR4
Frequency Response: 15Hz – 48 kHz
Output Impedance: 4 ohms, 8 ohms, 16 ohms
Line Out: 4 lines
Dimension: 440 x 210 x 397mm
Weight: 26.5kg
CAYIN CDT-23T
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24/192 HDCD Upsampling, Solen output capacitors, Burr Brown DAC, 1792 Burr Brown PCM, potted toroid transformer... here are some of the premium parts used in Cayin's mid-line CD player. The CDT-23A is made to match with the A-70T and A-88T series in looks, sound and performance. Comes equipped with tube and solid state outputs for those who want flexibility.
Frequency Response: 20Hz – 20kHz
S/N Ratio: 90dB
Dynamic Range: 120dB (HDCD)
Tube Component: 2 x 6922
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CAYIN’s 70 SERIES
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CAYIN A-70T
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The Cayin A-70T is the predecessor to the well reviewed A-88T. As an improvement, the A-70T uses bigger transformers (actually the biggest in Cayin's integrated line-up) as well as tube rectification. The end result is more power (55 watts per channel) and better dynamics throughout. It comes in either EL34s, 6CA7, KT-88 or 6550 versions.
US SRP: $1,975 - OUR PRICE: starts at Php 66,000
Power Output: 2 x 55W (ultralinear)
2 x 27W (triode)
Tube Component: 4 x (EL34/6CA7/KT-88/6550), 2 x 12AU7, 2 x 12AX7 x 1 x 5AR4
Frequency Response: 15Hz – 48 kHz
Output Impedance: 4 ohms, 8 ohms, 16 ohms
Line Out: 4 lines
Dimension: 440 x 210 x 397mm
Weight: 26.5kg
Hi Noel, Did Cayin modify something with the A70T? If I remember correctly, the specs of the one I auditioned early this year were 2x30W ultralinear, but Class A watts. Cheers! GAOL
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Yes, originally they released the 30W class A version. Then they juiced it up and developed a 55W version. This version is now the standard and more popular model although we also carry the 30W class A version for those who prefer it. :)
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Ah, ok. Thanks for the info. This sounds interesting, as the 30w A70t sounded very good already. :)
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Drop by our showroom sir and give both models a listen and tell us which one you like more :)
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Thanks for the invite! Hopefully my sked will allow me to visit this coming holidays. Cheers! ;D
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ask ko lang if meron po ba nakagamit ng a-50t using a tt source? i plan on upgrading my amp which is cambridge audio which is 60w. kapag tt kasi source ko usually nasa 12-1 oclock na volume ko e. baka masyado mahina sound kapag nagpalit ako. speakers MA rs1. tnx
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replied to you on wiredstate sir. We can try both amps and see which one you prefer more but my bet is on the Cayin :)
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i suggest since the RS1 are small monitors, bring them over to their shop so you could personally audition their amps and choose the one which will suit your taste, just my 2-cents, thanks! :D
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Hi AudioAmp,
I heard the 860 monoblock and noticed improved layering and deeper bass compared when using A-50T (Same CD and speaker set-up). Does the power output of the 860 which is about 70w a big factor? I also noticed that most speakers have a minimum power requirement of about 50 to 150 w. Do I need to meet the minimum power requirement of the speaker to fully maximize its potential. I personally own an A-50T tube amp. Would you suggest mundorf caps as a better alternative. Thanks a lot and more power to you guys... ;)
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sir send you a PM
Cheers
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sir banda saan libis shop niyo
newbie lang po ako sa audio
hope u can help me out :)
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Check out our webpage www.audioamplified.com
Scroll down the first page. There is a map of our location and contacts in case you cant find us.
THANKS
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ok boss thanks !!!
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kudos to audio amplified (tyrone, noel, jerone & co.) for updgrading my cdt-15a to mundorf caps in just one afternoon. i brought my cdp during lunch time and it was finished before 7pm that same day! considering that they still did some repairs (partly covered by warranty - - - thanks to noel & tyrone!), they did great service and i'm one totally satisfied customer. many thanks to audio amplified and may your tribe increase!!!
btw, i forgot to mention that my cdt-15a now is more detailed than ever (after being 'mundorfed'), highs and lows improved. sulit na sulit ika nga, definitely value for money!
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ano minamatch niyo Speakers sa cayin tubes?
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Cayin are very neutral sounding amplifiers so they practically matches well with any speakers from our expirience. So far we have customers who matched Cayin with: Dyns, Sonus, MA, B&W, Von Scweikert, Magnapan, Revel, JM Labs, Harbeth, Spendor, DIY, MEadowlark, Traingle, Proac.
Personally we like the synergy of Cayin with Aurum Cantus, Vandersteen and Castle speakers we carry. :)
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I have auditioned Cayin and Triangle (forgot which model, one floorstander and one bookshelf), and the sound pretty good.
Of course, Aurum Cantus and Cayin are also perfectly matched!
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Thanks to Tyrone and Noel of Audio Amplified, Elmo of What Hifi and to John of Hifi Lounge for helping me complete my new hifi audio set-up.
Intergrated Amp: Cayin A50T (Stock tubes)
Cd Player: Cayin CD50T (Stock tubes)
Interconnects: XLO Pro 150
Speaker Wires: NAIM bi-wire cables
Speakers: Castle Richmond 3i
As of today I am on my 25hour break-in period and as is I am already enjoying the set-up. The Cayin int amp and a the CD player are a very good match. Not only that they are of the same size for good aestethics, the combination provides very good soundstage and detail considering my 14 sqm. room. Also, the Castle Richmond 3i bookshelf, IMO, is the right size for my room. The overall combination fills up my room with the volume set only up to 8:30.
Prior to deciding into purchasing the abovementioned set-up, I went thru a lot of auditioning between tubes and SS set-ups and have concluded (with my own ears) that tubes still provide better musicality than SS, of course, in this price range. I was originally planning just to purchase a hi-fi integrated amp and with several tests and comparison, I ended up with the A50T and the CD50T combo as they performed very well than with a A50T/SS-CD combo. Auditions were both made at Audio Amplified's shop and at home (thanks to Tyrone, Noel, Elmo and John) as they permitted me to borrow their demo units so that I can actually test the whole system. The tube set-up was also compared with Rotel and Arcam SS amps/cdplayers and still the Cayin tube set-up prevailed.
The interconnects and the speaker cables have also helped to bring out the best of the A50T/CD50T combination. I may still be trying out other cables to see if there will be further improvement on the sound output. Bi-wiring the Richmonds also is a must to get the best out of these speakers. The highs and the lows are more detailed when biwired. The Richmonds being smaller than the B&W 303 (which i use for HT) produces clear highs and tight bass without the need for a sub unit. At this point, the Richmods were also not completely broken-in and yet it is delivering very good highs and lows. At first, I was scouting for floorstanders as I was not happy with the bass that my B&W is producing. The Richmond bookshelf has given me the bass that I want as it sounds like a floorstander IMO.
Being a newbie in hifi, I am very much satisfied with my tube set-up.
In the future, I may be lookiing into upgrading the tubes to mundorf but as off now, I will settle for the stock units.
After the break-in period, I will be providing my review on the above set-up.
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Thanks to Tyrone and Noel of Audio Amplified, Elmo of What Hifi and to John of Hifi Lounge for helping me complete my new hifi audio set-up.
Intergrated Amp: Cayin A50T (Stock tubes)
Cd Player: Cayin CD50T (Stock tubes)
Interconnects: XLO Pro 150
Speaker Wires: NAIM bi-wire cables
Speakers: Castle Richmond 3i
congrats & enjoy!
next up ........ tube rolling? ::) ::) ::)
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dadami na friendly competition sa tube hunting. ;D
congrats Joey. ;)
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Congrats joey,
Its a pleasure to entertain friends like you. Enjoy your new gears. Surely your set up will beat system's 2x or 3x its price.
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This week, I finally decided to have my A50-T and CDT-15A upgraded to mundorf supreme caps...Whoa!! i was so surprised with the size compared to the stock caps and sure delivers a lot of juice to my Leisure 2SE. I immediately noticed wider soundstage, improved bass...considering it has not fully broken in..I expect the SQ will deteriorate after 10 hours and will reach its peak at 200 hrs... ;D
Thanks Tyrone for your help...Talagang you can never go wrong with Mundorf ;)
Niño
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http://finallink.com.au/picts/STEREOPHILEHA-1A%20REVIEW.pdf
HA-1A
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l81/audio-amplified/ha-1alge.jpg)
System: Vacuum Tube Headphone Amplifier that can also be used as an Integrated Amplifier and Pre-Amplifier
Headphone Stage
Input Impedance 22K ohms
Output Impedance 6 – 300 ohms
Power Output 1w × 2 Triode RMS
Input Sensitivity 320mV
Frequency Response 25Hz – 30kHz
THD 1%
S/N Ratio 88dB
Channel Balance 0.5dB
Integrated Amplifier Stage
Tubes 6N14NS × 2
Input Impedance 22K ohms
Output Impedance 8 ohms
Power Output 1.2w × 2 RMS Triode,2.2w × 2 RMS Ultralinear
Preamplifier Stage
Tubes 12AX7 × 1, 12AU7 × 1
Input Impedance 22K ohms
Frequency Response 15Hz – 40kHz
THD 0.8%
Output 2000mV (Max 4000mV)
S/N Ratio 82dB
Total Gain 14dB
Power Consumption 60w
Dimension 130 × 230 × 300mm [W×H×D]
Weight7kg
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Dear all... here are a couple of new reviews you would like to share with you.
http://www.stereophile.com/integratedamps/207cayin/
http://finallink.com.au/Cayin/Web%20PDFs/Pages%20from%20TAS%20168%20WEB%20PDF.pdf
http://finallink.com.au/picts/a-88t%20review%20intro%2014.pdf
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http://finallink.com.au/picts/STEREOPHILEHA-1A%20REVIEW.pdf
HA-1A
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l81/audio-amplified/ha-1alge.jpg)
System: Vacuum Tube Headphone Amplifier that can also be used as an Integrated Amplifier and Pre-Amplifier
Headphone Stage
Input Impedance 22K ohms
Output Impedance 6 – 300 ohms
Power Output 1w × 2 Triode RMS
Input Sensitivity 320mV
Frequency Response 25Hz – 30kHz
THD 1%
S/N Ratio 88dB
Channel Balance 0.5dB
Integrated Amplifier Stage
Tubes 6N14NS × 2
Input Impedance 22K ohms
Output Impedance 8 ohms
Power Output 1.2w × 2 RMS Triode,2.2w × 2 RMS Ultralinear
Preamplifier Stage
Tubes 12AX7 × 1, 12AU7 × 1
Input Impedance 22K ohms
Frequency Response 15Hz – 40kHz
THD 0.8%
Output 2000mV (Max 4000mV)
S/N Ratio 82dB
Total Gain 14dB
Power Consumption 60w
Dimension 130 × 230 × 300mm [W×H×D]
Weight7kg
Sir pa PM naman ng price nito at pati un CDT17A. Mag budget na kasi ako for the next SARS attack. ;D thanks.
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Sir,
We sent you PM's ;D ;D
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Dear Customers.... for those who are waiting for their Cayin's our shipment just arrived today.
CD-50T white and black face
A-50T
A-100T
A-70T
Please contact us.... thanks
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Here's another review of Cayin:
Cayin A70T Integrated Amp
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0107/cayin_a70t.htm
Enjoy reading Very Happy
Cheers
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ang pogi ng A100.
Sa SC-6 ako in love ngayon. hehe.
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Sir pa reseved ka na ng 1 unit ::) ::) ::)
Cheers
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Sir pa reseved ka na ng 1 unit ::) ::) ::)
Cheers
ahem ahem. You're the man ! ;)
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Cayin's gorgeous and affordable KT88 valve amp is close to perfection. (by Robert Smith Audio Video Lifestyle Magazine.)
http://www.finallink.com.au/Cayin/Web%20PDFs/AVL%20CAYIN%20A-88T%20REVIEW%20FEB%202007.pdf
read the review... :)
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Cayin is really hot 8) sunod-sunod reviews.
If you want to audition please call Audio Amplified 637-0250, 395-5115 so we can set up the unit in our two dedicated rooms. So, guys tara lets 8)
Cheers
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Cayin is really hot 8) sunod-sunod reviews.
If you want to audition please call Audio Amplified 637-0250, 395-5115 so we can set up the unit in our two dedicated rooms. So, guys tara lets 8)
Cheers
Hi Noel,
How does this A-88T differ from the A-70T in sound character? I'm currently using a fully mundorfed A-50T with leisure 2se. I just want to know kung gaano sya kalayo with my set-up. By the way, libre ba merienda sa audition? ;D hehehe
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send you PM sir. yes free snacks :)
Cheers
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Dear Customers,
Our contact numbers and map of our address is in our website. Please click the link below.
http://www.audioamplified.com/
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Noel,
Please update me on the sched of the audition so I can also join. Similar to butchoy8701 I do also have the A50T.
Thanks and regards,
JoeyGS
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The A-50T is a very very good amp for the price and there are many things you can do to further improve the ability of that amp. You can tube roll or change caps, little things that does huge improvements.
The A-70T and A-88T are better than the A-50T but they are of course higher in price. Both amps have bigger trannies as well as better pre-amp sections compared to A-50T. Furthermore, both amps do have pre-ins which means you can use them solely as power amps if you want to take the separates route in the future. Then again they have to be better than the A-50T since they cost nearly twice as much. But if you compare them to the US or Aussie prices then we our price is nearly 40% cheaper.
Just inform us when you want to drop by and we can set up both units for you guys to audition. Time naman ng Customer nasusunod not ours ;D
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I took the A70 because I can tube roll when either playing jazz of pop. Just pop the switch and you're done. Having a preamp boosts you to a much higher level of having separates. I warn you that once you have a preamp on an A70, there's no turning back. Here is where WAF (wife approval factor) is important. hehehe.
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I took the A70 because I can tube roll when either playing jazz of pop. Just pop the switch and you're done. Having a preamp boosts you to a much higher level of having separates. I warn you that once you have a preamp on an A70, there's no turning back. Here is where WAF (wife approval factor) is important. hehehe.
POP GOES MY HEART - Music and Lyrics. Funny movie hehehe ;D
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I took the A70 because I can tube roll when either playing jazz of pop. Just pop the switch and you're done. Having a preamp boosts you to a much higher level of having separates. I warn you that once you have a preamp on an A70, there's no turning back. Here is where WAF (wife approval factor) is important. hehehe.
Hi! I once considered the A-50T which is a very good amp as Noel said. But then I auditioned the A-55T (which is more expensive) and I thought that at last I found the amp that I was searching for...until...these two great guys who were also there at a.a. beckoned me to to listen to the A-70T in the bigger room. To cut the story short, I did go for the A-70T which is really a great amp and goes well with the Vandersteen 1C's and the Rotel RCD 971. Been listening to the system every night (4 hrs at least!). Le_Stat brought up a very good point..yes, one should listen to the A-70T being driven by a preamp...been doing that for several nights now with a Cayin SC-2 tube preamp which is "mundorfed" and "amperexed" he he he.. ;)
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Thanks for your feedback sir Andre.
Hows the Cayin a70t and sc-2? Is it getting better as the caps are being burn-in?
Cheers
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Noel, tirhan niyo ako ng caps ha? ;)
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Thanks for your feedback sir Andre.
Hows the Cayin a70t and sc-2? Is it getting better as the caps are being burn-in?
Cheers
Tyrone, is that you?
This combination gets me so involved in the music and I just want to listen more and more...and to think that the caps are still being burnt-in...The A-70T is really a great integrated amp but when used as a dedicated amp driven by a good preamp, its performance is further enhanced (very audibly!). The SC2 is something else, I cannot even find reviews about it and I bought it based on how it performed in my system at home..Thanks to you and Noel for letting me audition the modded preamp!
By the way, the other night I was listening to Jacintha's Here's to Ben (FIM XRCD 020) Track 4 "Tenderly" when my wife remarked that Jacintha seems to be in the room with us! How's that for a non-audiophile? She said that the system seems to be superb on vocals. I let her listen to the John McLaughlin Trio que alegria (Verve 837 280 - 2). It only took two tracks, "belo horizonte" and "baba" to show how the system does dynamics with tight deep bass and high frequency extension. Terrific pieces! oops, this might turn into a review, he he he...
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Hi Ace,
Seems you have a very good set-up. May we know what speakers you are pairing with the cayin Pre/Amps?
Thanks and regards,
JoeyGS
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Hi Ace,
Seems you have a very good set-up. May we know what speakers you are pairing with the cayin Pre/Amps?
Thanks and regards,
JoeyGS
Hi JoeyGs,
First of all congratulations re your audio set-up! I am using the Vandersteen 1C's which I found to have a good synergy with the Cayin (in my listening environment). I found that the 1C's can sound so well when I first used them with a Denon Int. Amp. But with really great amplification and front-end, they just perform beyond expectations. I once read a review that says that in a $10,000 system, the 1C's acquitted themselves very well, although at that price point it's already silly to pair the 1C's with those very expensive electronics (i.e. VAC 70/70 amplifier for one, I think). I also have on hand a pair of Spendor S20's. As with British monitors, the midrange and treble coherence really stands out but they cannot do the dynamics, soundstaging, and timbral accuracy as well as the 1C's. I could have opted for the 2CE's, however, they are beyond my price point and they are would surely need a bigger space to breathe...
Thanks for the inquiry, JoeyGs!
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Hi JoeyGs,
First of all congratulations re your audio set-up! I am using the Vandersteen 1C's which I found to have a good synergy with the Cayin (in my listening environment). I found that the 1C's can sound so well when I first used them with a Denon Int. Amp. But with really great amplification and front-end, they just perform beyond expectations. I once read a review that says that in a $10,000 system, the 1C's acquitted themselves very well, although at that price point it's already silly to pair the 1C's with those very expensive electronics (i.e. VAC 70/70 amplifier for one, I think). I also have on hand a pair of Spendor S20's. As with British monitors, the midrange and treble coherence really stands out but they cannot do the dynamics, soundstaging, and timbral accuracy as well as the 1C's. I could have opted for the 2CE's, however, they are beyond my price point and they are would surely need a bigger space to breathe...
Thanks for the inquiry, JoeyGs!
Hi Ace,
How would you compare the vandersteen 1c with leisure 2se on your A-70t? just curious :D
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Thanks to you and Noel for letting me audition the modded preamp!
ganyan rin nangyari sakin kaya di ko na matanggal sa system ko preamp. hehehe.
Hi Ace,
How would you compare the vandersteen 1c with leisure 2se on your A-70t? just curious :D
You can't compare the 2 coz the Leisure 2se is a bookshelf. Pero no doubt the Leisure 2SE would do well with the A70 plus the preamp. I heard the 2SE driven by the Cayin mono's 9025 sa Hi Fi Lounge sa Alabang. Very Nice.
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You can't compare the 2 coz the Leisure 2se is a bookshelf. Pero no doubt the Leisure 2SE would do well with the A70 plus the preamp. I heard the 2SE driven by the Cayin mono's 9025 sa Hi Fi Lounge sa Alabang. Very Nice.
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The Leisure 2SE is a bookshelf and the 1C is a floorstander. They are made for different consumer needs and comparing them would not be apples to apples. The Leisure 2SE would sound spectacular with the Cayin monoblocks but then again that is not the right set-up by a mile! Those amps cost 4x the speaker and ideally you would want to pair even better speakers with the monos to get their full potential. I mean there is nothing wrong with that set-up but given the budget it is just not an optimized system thats all.
The vandy 1C could be compared to Aurum's Moon River Mini or Melody 103 for apples to apples comparison :) Le_stat liked the moon river, Ace liked the 1C so i guess its all personal preference since both of them are very happy with thier system. Fortunately both liked the A-70T ;D ;D ;D
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Since this is the Official Cayin thread and since most of the stuff in the HT gallery are mostly HT, I would post pictures of my all Cayin set up here:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P3040552.jpg)
POWER AMP : Cayin A70T, upgraded with Mundorf Silver/Gold
PRE AMP : Cayin SC-6
CDP : Cayin CDT-15, upgraded with Mundorf Supreme
IC : Xindak FA-1
SPEAKER : Aurum Cantus Moon River Mini
SPEAKER CABLE : Xindak FS-0.5 , bi-wire
LINE CONDITIONER : Xindak X500
POWER CORDS : 9 Conductor braided cords, paired with Wattgate AC and 320i IEC / Pass & Seymour AC and Hubbel IEC.
TUBES : NOS exotic.
RACK : Lovan
TWEAKS : Pumice Stone on feet of CDP, cork + 10 lb stack of wood for anti-vibration of cdp, speaker cable hangers - don't bother coz no audible effect.
How's the sound? Well, all I can say is that I don't have any plans on anymore upgrades. Hmm, wait let me take that back. The only thing left to upgrade is my preamp. Soon probably. ;D
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NICE! hahaha... upgrade the alarm clock on the floor. hahaha.
Joke joke lang. You have already maximized your set-up at that price point so i also suggest you umm... enjoy it for a while before doing anything radical. :) ENJOY!
BTW nice tubes on the A-70T. pahenge hahaha
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NICE! hahaha... upgrade the alarm clock on the floor. hahaha.
Joke joke lang. You have already maximized your set-up at that price point so i also suggest you umm... enjoy it for a while before doing anything radical. :) ENJOY!
BTW nice tubes on the A-70T. pahenge hahaha
Mukhang ni-zoom mo pa kung ano power tubes ko ha. hehehe. Baka maging 9 pcs na yung tubes ko nun, inaantay ko nalang confirmation na meron pa nga na natitira na 2 pcs. ;D
I don't have plans on upgrading any major equipment for a long while kasi masaya na ears ko. Puro CD hunting nalang ako ngayon. Ilayo niyo nalang CDT-17 sakin. hehehe.
oy, importante alarm clock sa floor. kasi minsan i forget na its 3am na. :o
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ito nalang. give me your room dimensions and we will run a computer simulation and give you some optimal placements hehehe. LIBRE upgrade na yun.
Simple room acoutics (not the traps ha) help too. Usap tayo one of these days.
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Hi Ace,
How would you compare the vandersteen 1c with leisure 2se on your A-70t? just curious :D
Hi Butchoy!
I think Noel has answered the question. But frankly speaking, I did not have the chance to audition the Leisure 2SE. I was just smitten the first time I heard the 1C's that at that point I knew that they were the speakers for me. I have to thank Noel for patiently setting up the components I wanted to hear and in so doing I did not have the slightest hesitation in going for the Vandys. Like I said, the A-70T + the IC's + the modded Rotel 971 and later the modded SC-2 exhibit quite a synergism. What we really have to ask is, does my system get me involve in the music? Does it make me want to listen until the "wee hours of the morning"? If it does both, then one has found the right system for himself and no amount of audiophile terms can begin to describe those experiences.
Thanks for the inquiry!
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Hi Andrew,
Hooh! ;D i'm speechless with your set-up...congrats! a complete audio amplified set-up... ;D just like mine AA din...just a little bit lower ;D Tukso layuan mo ako...grrrh The reason why i asked about the difference kasi somebody is selling his vandy 1c in the B/S section for a cheaper price, curious lang how it would sound with my a50-t. ;D parinig naman ng set-up mo...hehehe
Cheers
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What we really have to ask is, does my system get me involve in the music? Does it make me want to listen until the "wee hours of the morning"? If it does both, then one has found the right system for himself and no amount of audiophile terms can begin to describe those experiences.
very true! kaya always place an alarm clock somewhere in your listening room. hehe.
Sometimes the music is so good that it is almost real, to the point that i ran out of the room and convinced myself that there is no ghost inside the room. hehehe.
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Since this is the Official Cayin thread and since most of the stuff in the HT gallery are mostly HT, I would post pictures of my all Cayin set up here:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P3040552.jpg)
POWER AMP : Cayin A70T, upgraded with Mundorf Silver/Gold
PRE AMP : Cayin SC-6
CDP : Cayin CDT-15, upgraded with Mundorf Supreme
IC : Xindak FA-1
SPEAKER : Aurum Cantus Moon River Mini
SPEAKER CABLE : Xindak FS-0.5 , bi-wire
LINE CONDITIONER : Xindak X500
POWER CORDS : 9 Conductor braided cords, paired with Wattgate AC and 320i IEC / Pass & Seymour AC and Hubbel IEC.
TUBES : NOS exotic.
RACK : Lovan
TWEAKS : Pumice Stone on feet of CDP, cork + 10 lb stack of wood for anti-vibration of cdp, speaker cable hangers - don't bother coz no audible effect.
How's the sound? Well, all I can say is that I don't have any plans on anymore upgrades. Hmm, wait let me take that back. The only thing left to upgrade is my preamp. Soon probably. ;D
Great set-up Le_Stat! Somehow I knew that you would go for the SC-6! But there's the SC-8, and the SC-10, gasp! Where will it end? Like you I don't any plans for upgrades but I have discussed with Noel how I will further maximize my living room's acoustics to really let the system shine, you know, just like squeezing the last drop of the nectar, he he he..
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very true! kaya always place an alarm clock somewhere in your listening room. hehe.
Sometimes the music is so good that it is almost real, to the point that i ran out of the room and convinced myself that there is no ghost inside the room. hehehe.
Agreed! One night Iwas really into the music..Jacintha was just so seductive, so real that I thought she's gonna sit on my lap. I had to see if my wife was watching, ha ha ha
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Great set-up Le_Stat! Somehow I knew that you would go for the SC-6! But there's the SC-8, and the SC-10, gasp! Where will it end? Like you I don't any plans for upgrades but I have discussed with Noel how I will further maximize my living room's acoustics to really let the system shine, you know, just like squeezing the last drop of the nectar, he he he..
Thank you. :) Well, I haven't really thought about the SC-8. Mataas na yun. And definitely not the SC-10 kasi overkill na yun. hehehe. I suggest that you get more preamp tubes, especially the exotic ones. Mix and match it and you would know which is best for your taste. it's hard to come by sa buy and sell pero worth it. The fiberglass cases under my rack contains all the tubes I have, preamp and power amp tubes.
What I really need to upgrade is the whole HOUSE. :o
Hi Andrew,
Hooh! ;D i'm speechless with your set-up...congrats! a complete audio amplified set-up... ;D just like mine AA din...just a little bit lower ;D Tukso layuan mo ako...grrrh The reason why i asked about the difference kasi somebody is selling his vandy 1c in the B/S section for a cheaper price, curious lang how it would sound with my a50-t. ;D parinig naman ng set-up mo...hehehe
Cheers
Don't quickly jump and buy speakers because it is sold cheap. Pakinggan mo muna lahat then you can decide. Like me, it took me between 3-5 months to decide which to get. Sa speakers ako pinaka natagalan mag decide. Hirap mahanap ang kiliti ng tenga, unless sexy na babae ang nangingiliti sa tenga mo. Kapag ganun siguradong meron ako break-in on the spot. ;D
Hirap na parating mag upgrade kasi magastos and you loose a lot lalu na pag benta mo as 2nd hand.
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Hi Andrew,
Hooh! ;D i'm speechless with your set-up...congrats! a complete audio amplified set-up... ;D just like mine AA din...just a little bit lower ;D Tukso layuan mo ako...grrrh The reason why i asked about the difference kasi somebody is selling his vandy 1c in the B/S section for a cheaper price, curious lang how it would sound with my a50-t. ;D parinig naman ng set-up mo...hehehe
Cheers
Hi Butchoy,
Sorry for the late response. You wouldn't believe nagbrownout sa amin last night from 10 pm to 6 am. Dun tayo walang laban, he he he. While the query was directed to Le_Stat I hope he wouldn't mind saying my piece about it. When we buy components that make up our system we're going for a certain kind of sound which is subjective. When i got the A-70T, Noel and I agreed that we'll place the 6550EH output tubes instead of the KT-88's because I was gunning for a detailed, and fast sound (of course, such is subjective, as what maybe a detailed sound for me maybe an etched sound for others, or what maybe warm for me maybe too laid back for others). When I auditioned the Vandys, I sensed that they let go of the notes quicker than other speaker system I heard and it is one of the characteristics that made me conclude that the Vandys are really transparent (in relation to the performance of my other components). I opted for the Cayin SC-2 later because the Mundorf Supreme caps and the Amperex 6DJ8's further contributed to the sound I am looking for. With this rather long introduction I would suppose that you went for the Leisure 2SE's because of the sound they make in relation to your other components. I therefore cannot make any recommendation as to Vandys on sale as in the end the decision you will make will be based on your subjective evaluation of the said speaker system in relation to the other components in the audio chain , and ultimately as affected by the acoustics of your listening area. One more thing about the Vandys which we all know by now, is that they are baffleless. There isn't much to see in them (i.e. no exotic wooden baffles with great finish). This might also be a criterion for some in going for the Vandys or not. Richard Vandersteen once remarked in response to questions posted to him that if he were to make cabinets for some of his speakers without affecting their present sonic performance, then their price would be jacked up by 4 to 6 times! I hope this helps..Thanks as always!
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Thank you. :) Well, I haven't really thought about the SC-8. Mataas na yun. And definitely not the SC-10 kasi overkill na yun. hehehe. I suggest that you get more preamp tubes, especially the exotic ones. Mix and match it and you would know which is best for your taste. it's hard to come by sa buy and sell pero worth it. The fiberglass cases under my rack contains all the tubes I have, preamp and power amp tubes.
What I really need to upgrade is the whole HOUSE. :o
Don't quickly jump and buy speakers because it is sold cheap. Pakinggan mo muna lahat then you can decide. Like me, it took me between 3-5 months to decide which to get. Sa speakers ako pinaka natagalan mag decide. Hirap mahanap ang kiliti ng tenga, unless sexy na babae ang nangingiliti sa tenga mo. Kapag ganun siguradong meron ako break-in on the spot. ;D
Hirap na parating mag upgrade kasi magastos and you loose a lot lalu na pag benta mo as 2nd hand.
Thanks for the advice Le_Stat! Now, upgrading the house is the ultimate upgrade, ha ha ha...
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Busy thread ;D thanks for the input guys! Keep it coming ;D ;D ;D
Thank you. :) Well, I haven't really thought about the SC-8. Mataas na yun. And definitely not the SC-10 kasi overkill na yun. hehehe.
Sir Les mas mahal ung SC-8 sa SC-10 ::)
Cheers
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Busy thread ;D thanks for the input guys! Keep it coming ;D ;D ;D
Sir Les mas mahal ung SC-8 sa SC-10 ::)
Cheers
talaga? akala ko mas mahal yung sc-10 kasi higante na sa laki. ;)
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Hi Butchoy,
Sorry for the late response. You wouldn't believe nagbrownout sa amin last night from 10 pm to 6 am. Dun tayo walang laban, he he he. While the query was directed to Le_Stat I hope he wouldn't mind saying my piece about it. When we buy components that make up our system we're going for a certain kind of sound which is subjective. When i got the A-70T, Noel and I agreed that we'll place the 6550EH output tubes instead of the KT-88's because I was gunning for a detailed, and fast sound (of course, such is subjective, as what maybe a detailed sound for me maybe an etched sound for others, or what maybe warm for me maybe too laid back for others). When I auditioned the Vandys, I sensed that they let go of the notes quicker than other speaker system I heard and it is one of the characteristics that made me conclude that the Vandys are really transparent (in relation to the performance of my other components). I opted for the Cayin SC-2 later because the Mundorf Supreme caps and the Amperex 6DJ8's further contributed to the sound I am looking for. With this rather long introduction I would suppose that you went for the Leisure 2SE's because of the sound they make in relation to your other components. I therefore cannot make any recommendation as to Vandys on sale as in the end the decision you will make will be based on your subjective evaluation of the said speaker system in relation to the other components in the audio chain , and ultimately as affected by the acoustics of your listening area. One more thing about the Vandys which we all know by now, is that they are baffleless. There isn't much to see in them (i.e. no exotic wooden baffles with great finish). This might also be a criterion for some in going for the Vandys or not. Richard Vandersteen once remarked in response to questions posted to him that if he were to make cabinets for some of his speakers without affecting their present sonic performance, then their price would be jacked up by 4 to 6 times! I hope this helps..Thanks as always!
Hi Ace,
Thanks for your insights. I did go for the leisure 2se because of its good mids and highs. I fully upgraded my a50-t to mundorf supreme. I already heard the a70t with silver/gold mundorf at high fi lounge mas makapal talaga tumunog yung leisure 2se with this amp. I'll try to audition it sa audio amplified one of these days. thanks for the input guys. ;D
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Cayin's most powerful integrated amp :) now playing at Audio Amplified.
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http://www.audioamplified.com/Cayin/Cayin.htm click here for more details
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Now Playing for the week at Audio Amplified:
Big Room:
Cayin A100T Integrated Tube Amp EL34 tubes
Cayin CDT-17A Tube CD Player
Castle Richmond 7i Floor Stander Speaker
Mundorf Silver/Gold alloy Interconnect
Mundorf Silver/Gold alloy Speaker Wire
Small Room
Cayin A70T Integrated Tube Amp 6550 tubes
Cayin CDT-23 Tube CD Player
Vandersteen 1C Floor Stander Speaker
MundorF Silver/Gold alloy Interconnect
Xindak FS-1 Speaker Wire
Interested party/ies please dropby or call us for audition
Cheers
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CAYIN MT-12
saw this at spectra while canvassing for a cd player...
eyeing a nad c542 to partner my HK 330...
kaya lang i saw this sweet looking tube amp and may kapartner palang cd player...
the combo looks good and i dont think it can drive my jurassic mission speakers...
how much money would i shell out for a pair of speakers that would match this kombo...
hope to visit your store...pm na lang for prices,...thanks...
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This MT-12 can drive our Floor stander Music Goddess that has a 10in woofer, sensitivity @ 4 ohms :)
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Blade,
I have that tube cd player you saw at spectra (CD50t ata...). Anyway I have this as a combo with another Cayin int. amp. and the combo works very well with each other. I have tried a/b between tube cd/int amp combo versus ss cd/tube int amp combo. The tube cd/int amp combo produced better audio reproduction in terms of depth, soundstage or dimentionality.
You can audition this at spectra as they all have the gears for both ss and tube components.
Regards,
JoeyGS
saw this at spectra while canvassing for a cd player...
eyeing a nad c542 to partner my HK 330...
kaya lang i saw this sweet looking tube amp and may kapartner palang cd player...
the combo looks good and i dont think it can drive my jurassic mission speakers...
how much money would i shell out for a pair of speakers that would match this kombo...
hope to visit your store...pm na lang for prices,...thanks...
8)
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saw this at spectra while canvassing for a cd player...
eyeing a nad c542 to partner my HK 330...
kaya lang i saw this sweet looking tube amp and may kapartner palang cd player...
the combo looks good and i dont think it can drive my jurassic mission speakers...
how much money would i shell out for a pair of speakers that would match this kombo...
hope to visit your store...pm na lang for prices,...thanks...
8)
Sir,
Are you looking for bookshelf or floorstander and what is your budget for the speaker so that we can reco the best combination for you.
Thanks
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Meron isang tahimik diyan na meron bagong toy..... ;)
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Umm... bumili ako ng badminton racket. Counted ba yun ;D ;D ;D
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Umm... bumili ako ng badminton racket. Counted ba yun ;D ;D ;D
Di yan counted ! Unless meron yan apat na 6550 EH. ;D
Ah, isa pa pala. Unless meron yan 1 pair ng Amperex 6922 gold pins. hehehe. ;D
Dalawa pala silang merong bagong toys. ;)
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A few more reviews and awards for Cayin. They are German but from the scores Cayin is a runaway winner :) You may use babelfish translator to understand in broken english :lol:
http://finallink.com.au/Cayin/Web%20PDFs/Cayin_Ti_88_Testbericht_Stereoplay_01-2005.pdf
http://finallink.com.au/Cayin/Web%20PDFs/Cayin_A-55T_Testbericht_Stereoplay_01-2006.pdf
http://finallink.com.au/Cayin/Web%20PDFs/Cayin_A-50T_Testbericht_Stereoplay_04-2005.pdf
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Cayin bags AUSTRALIAN AMP OF YEAR award
http://finallink.com.au/Cayin/Web%20PDFs/AVL%20AWARDS%20A-88T%20AMP%20OF%20THE%20YEAR%202007.pdf
http://finallink.com.au/Cayin/Web%20PDFs/AVL%20AWARDS%20A-88T%20PRODUCT%20OF%20THE%20YEAR%202007.pdf
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Di yan counted ! Unless meron yan apat na 6550 EH. ;D
Ah, isa pa pala. Unless meron yan 1 pair ng Amperex 6922 gold pins. hehehe. ;D
Dalawa pala silang merong bagong toys. ;)
Sino ba yang mga yan bakit ayaw magpakilala ;D
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Sino ba yang mga yan bakit ayaw magpakilala ;D
hehehe. txt mo nga sila.
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txt - txt - txt
O ayan texted them ;D ;D ;D
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Di yan counted ! Unless meron yan apat na 6550 EH. ;D
Ah, isa pa pala. Unless meron yan 1 pair ng Amperex 6922 gold pins. hehehe. ;D
Dalawa pala silang merong bagong toys. ;)
Ahem!! :) sino kaya ang may ever evolving Cayin setup dito? Baka mapa monoblock ka...hehehe
As for me, i'm happy with my 5ar4 mullard...hehehe
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Ahem!! :) sino kaya ang may ever evolving Cayin setup dito? Baka mapa monoblock ka...hehehe
As for me, i'm happy with my 5ar4 mullard...hehehe
magandang tanong yan. Ayon sa aking bubwit, meron isang hesitant sa China Products na nakarineg ng Cayin at aba ! Nabinyagan ngayon components niya nang bagong Cayin ! ;D
Monoblock? mahal yan ! Hollow Blocks nalang at sa halagang 120k makakabuo na ako ng isa pang floor na pang dedicated audio room. hehehe. wala nga lang semento presyo noon. ;)
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Le Stat - that is the misnomer that products made in "China" are inferior. Actually, Cayin's roots are German although they have a joint venture with China Aeronautics. If you go to www.cayin.com it brings you to a German site. Surely there is a lot of technological transfer coming from Europe that goes into every Cayin model.
We now live in a global environment wherein "made in ???" is hardly a factor. Airbus planes for example have major components coming from North America and Asia. The most important factor is whether the product performs well or not. So far Cayin fits that label – or so we (and other reviewers) think hahaha
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Initial impressions of Cayin CDT-23 (more than 50 hours of use):
1. Out of the box it sounds good already.
2. My old CDP is an Arcam CD73T and I can say that the sound of Cayin CDT-23 has more body and is more natural sounding in terms of certain instruments that I heard, like cymbals, triagles, and piano.
3. Vocals are more realistic. There is real presence of the singer upfront. I notice more of the coarsenss of the vocalists and there is "chestiness".
4. Medyo mahina ang output than Arcam CD73T, because I notice I have to turn up the volume just a little more to get to the level I'm used to listening.
5. Very good bass.
6. Solid-State output is also very impressive. Sound is warm and sweet and dynamic. Not (yet) good soundstage presentation and detail as Arcam CD73T. May need more break-in time. But the warm sound that I prefer is already there.
7. I noticed that when 192/24 upsampling is enabled on 16bit CDs, the soundstage moves back a bit and medyo humihina yung volume. But I notice better separation of instruments and they become more distinct.
8. When I do upsampling on 20bit or 24bit CD, I do not hear any difference when upsampling is disabled.
9. Arcam CD73T is very detailed and has good instrument separation, but may sound clinical sometimes. The Cayin CDT-23 may still have to catch up just a little bit. But the Cayin CDT-23 is warmer sounding and has definitely better bass at the solid state output; and is more natural sounding at the tube output. I'm not saying that CDT-23 is not good at instrument separation and detail. There are these characteristics also on the CDT-23, but so far the Arcam does it much better for now. Why for now? Because I think the Cayin CDP will still improve in time as it is used.
That's it for now.
Will post further updates later on.
Equipment used:
Cayin CDT-23 Tube complements: Interchanging between Amperex 6922 gold pins and Amperex 6dj8 with Bugle Boy logo.
-Mastersound Due Venti (220) S.E. Parallel Single Ended Integrated Tube Amp.
Power tubes: Interchanging between 4 x Matsus 6ca7 and 4 x Mullard (reissue) EL34
Pre-amp tubes: Interchanging between 2 x RCA 12au7A Cleartops and 2 x RCA 5814A BlackPlates Tripple Mica.
-Power Cord: DIY Shunyata on both CDP and Int. Amp.
-Interconnects: On Tube Output - DIY AA24, WBT Silver solder on Eichmann bullet plugs; On SS Output - DIY Belden 8422, WBT Silver solder on Amphenol RCA Plugs.
-Dali Ikon 6 Speakers.
-Audience Au24 Speaker Cable
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Cayin CDT-23 now playing.
I'm currently listening to Best of Audiophile Voice 4 bought at Bangkok some months ago. It's on track number 5 with Stacey Kent singing "What the World Needs Now is Love".
Napapangiti ako kasi parang nasa harap ko si Stacey at kinakantahan ako...hehehe.
Nakaka-arouse....ah este nakaka-inspire pala. ;D
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Nakaka-arouse....ah este nakaka-inspire pala. ;D
ikaw muna ang ma-break in dapat niyan. :D
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thanks for the objective review on the Cayin CDT-23A. please continue to keep us posted on its performance. feel free to post any questions as well.
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Just posting some updates regarding my new CDT-23
I mentioned in my earlier post na parang mahina ang output ng CDT-23 kaysa Arcam CD73T. Actually, my impression was mahina coz I'm very much used to the forward sound of the Arcam CD73T. The CDT-23 is laidback in its audio presentation, and becomes even more laidback as you turn on the up-sampling switch. It actually tries to create more space for the instruments and singers, thus giving the listener a bigger soundstage. I think that since the soundstage moves back, the distance increases between the performers on stage and the listener, and therefore the tendency is that the instruments and singers becomes a little bit smaller than that of the Arcam CD73T. And parang nagiging mahina rin tuloy.
However, when I turn up the volume just a little bit, I get to hear more of the instruments and and singers on the soundstage presented by the CDT-23. Hindi naman actually malaki yung turn of the volume knob. If I'm used to listening with the Arcam CD73T at 9 o clock on the volume know, with the CDT-23 it would be 9:30 to 10 o clock.
So far, the CDT-23 has opened up and has become livelier. The highs have become sweeter but there is not much change in the lows. Live performances seem to come alive from the speakers with the instruments sounding so real and so present (Jazz at the Pawn Shop XRCD). I prefer to use the 192/24 upsampling for live music presentations.
With the bugle boy 6dg8, music is lush and warm.
So far that's it. Siguro nasa 80 or so hours pa lang. But we'll see if there will be further change to the musicallity of the CDT-23.
Cheers.
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Hi, im a newbie in the field of tube amplification and i was wondering should i decide later on to improve the sound of my A-50T what tube should i "roll" or replace? Should i change the stock EL34 tubes or the pre-amp tubes?
Thanks
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Hi, im a newbie in the field of tube amplification and i was wondering should i decide later on to improve the sound of my A-50T what tube should i "roll" or replace? Should i change the stock EL34 tubes or the pre-amp tubes?
Thanks
Actually, you can improve the sound of your a-50t by replacing all the tubes to NOS(New Old Stock) but i would rank the improvement based on this order (1 being the best overall improvement):
1. preamp tubes
2. driver tubes
3. Power tubes (you can try 6CA7 type for tighter bass)
You can even ask Noel to upgrade your capacitors to Mundorf supreme to improve the detail, soundstage, etc... ;D
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Rating in terms of "impact" I'd rate your upgrade path as follows:
1) Pre-amp tubes - biggest difference and cheapest and easiest to change
2) driver tubes - since they are not expensive change them together with the pre amp tubes
3) Capacitors - we feel that this makes a bigger diff than the power tubes
4) Power tubes
5) If you are really into it we can change the internal wirings to silver but this is not commonly done.
6) power cord
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Thanks for the responses.
What preamp tubes should i use to replace the stock tubes of the A50T? Your recommendations will be highly appreciated.
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Sir'
Stock and Tube compliment of A50T:
4 EL34 shuguang or 4 EL34/6CA7EH (upon request)
2 12AU7 EH
2 12AX7 EH
Best to replace pre-amp and input tube first, you'll be surprise nn the improvent in sound.
The following tubes have great result, for 12ax7 look for amperex, Tele or mullard.
For the 12au7 becuase of the availability RCA square getter/black plate or RCA clear top. There are other good NOS tube in the market but price is premium
Cheers
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One more difference I noted between the Arcam SS CDP and Cayin Tube CDP...
Talagang may OOOMMPH sa percussions instruments ang tube CDP. Ang bigat!
So far lamang pa rin ang Arcam sa on-spot imaging. As in halos kita mo yung outline ng performers and instruments on the stage and identify their location.
However, dito lamang ang Cayin CDT-23:
1. Mas masarap makinig sa Cayin because of its sweet and warm presentation. Very cozy ba.
2. Musical instruments sound so real. Damang dama yung hagod ng bow ni John Clayton on his bass sa track number 5 of Diana Krall's Live in Paris CD. Parang hinahagod ng pang hilod na sponge yung dibdib ko.
3. While on the piano, as Diana rolls her fingers on the keyboard you can feel the steel strings really being hit by the felt hammers and reverberating on the soundboard. Hayop!
4. Vocals sound sooooo good and alive, very much "fleshy", malambing and litaw na litaw.
Maaring preference ng sound na rin talaga ang naglalaro dito. Pero so far I'm enjoying the Cayin CDP more.
I still need to try some rock music on this CDT-23. Masubukan nga!
Abangan.
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Listened to Creed, Guns and Roses, Dire Straits and Aerosmith.
I prefer to listen to them through the solid state output.
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2. ............. Parang hinahagod ng pang hilod na sponge yung dibdib ko.
Abangan.
hehehe. Sabi sa iyo kulang ka sa break in eh.... este yung cdp pala. ;D
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Ayos na sana eh, may review na ang CDT-23.
http://www.hayendaudio.nl/rs/testcdt23.pdf (http://www.hayendaudio.nl/rs/testcdt23.pdf)
Malas pa rin, kasi the review is written in Dutch...ngyee!
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Sir,
We are glad to hear that you are enjoying your Cayin CDP. To us that is the most gratifying part of our business.
Cayin is stronger in Europe since the company does have its roots in Germany. That is why they have countless reviews in German, Dutch, Italian, French and even Russian. They have just penetrated the US late last year and so far they have at least 5 "english" reviews.. most of them on their power amps A-88T, A-70 and A-300B. There is one review on the CDT-17A which compared it to a $10,000 player. I am sure there will be more Cayin reviews in the near future.
Speaking of reviews... I think reviews coming from real owners like yourself are a lot more credible than any magazine review. Note that some of these are either paid for or the company has so many ads on the magazine that it would be impossible for the reviewer who is employed there to say anything negative. However, we still encourage audiophiles to use magazines as a guide and still trust their ears when evaluating a particular equipment. After all audio is very personal and unless you purchased your gears to show off, it is only worth it if you enjoy it.
Cheers and happy listening.
Thank you again for sharing your cayin expirience.
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Ahem ahem. Meron balak si Butchoy. ano kaya yun? hehehe.
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Ahem ahem. Meron balak si Butchoy. ano kaya yun? hehehe.
Pa silver/gold ng amp.. ;D more funds needed...
Le_stat and I compared his a70t with 860. The monos can really make his moon river sing, i can't describe it. It is simply very natural sounding, the best. Kaya Andrew, wag ka na mag-isip pa, kunin mo na monoblock ni Noel! ;D ;D ;D hahaha
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Pa silver/gold ng amp.. ;D more funds needed...
Le_stat and I compared the his a70t with 860. The monos can really make is moon river sing, i can't describe it. It is simply very natural sounding, the best. Kaya Andrew, wag ka na mag-isip pa, kunin mo na monoblock ni Noel! ;D ;D ;D hahaha
What do you think of the A70 that's Mundorfed with Silver/Gold for the benefit of those who have not heard it yet? And, probably the result with an SC-6 ? All honesty's required. hehehe.
O ayan ha, alam mo na susunod na preamp tubes to look for after seeing my stash. ;D
Monoblock... grrr... Evolution in the making. ;)
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I've been out from this site for quite some time. I was posting on the "dark side (solid state)" before, till I sold all my SS gears. My old gears were B&W CM1, NAD C372 and NAD 521BEE. It evolved from selling my CDP first and bought Shanling CD T-80. Sold my CM1 and bought a second hand Crown Joule of Scientific Fidelity. Sold my C372 and bought Aragon 8008BB power amp. After six months, I sold my Shanling and bought brand new:
Cayin CDT-17a and Cayin SC-6LS preamp. I'd like to upload some photos but I don't know how. Can anybody help me.
These are my gears for my audio listening:
Cayin CDT-17a (upgraded the 2 chips to opa627ap and 2 Telefunken ECC88)
Cayin SC-6LS
Crown Joule bookshelf speaker
Aragon 8008BB Dual Mono Power Amp (SS)
Audioquest CV-6 with DBS speaker cable
Audioquest Jaguar with DBS RCA
Qunex Silver Spiral RCA
Some DIY powercord (Made in Hong Kong)
I am satisfied with the sound so far. I think my quest for "heavenly sound" will stop for a while, for now... ;D
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Thanks alot, Bumblebee. :D
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Hello AudioAmplified,
I noticed that you are very helpful in giving advice in new comers like me. As you may read from my other post, i am using a leisure 2 sv paired with my ss/tube amp (azur 540A/A-50T respectively). Now on both amp, when it comes to jazz, light rock and male/female voices audio track this pair really satisfies my preference in music. Sad to say I don't limit myself to this type of music only. When it comes to rock, raggae, punk and other alternative tracks i feel that the speaker looses the drive to perform. I actually don't know how to describe it because i only have limited audio vocabulary.
Anyway in my listening preference it simply does not extend the bass, now my question is how will i extend the bass coming from the amp using this speakers. Will a sub augment the area which i find the speaker to lack? I asked this because i previously used a bookshelf + sub combo (azur540A + mf x10-d tube buffer + some cheap htib dvd player + wharf 9.2 + dtx 4.12 ;D) in my system and it gives a very tiring experience. Btw, my room's dimension is approx 4x4. Also if i may add i listen to my music virtually all over the house approx 8x12, syempre hindi na sakop garahe ;D or forget about me listenning all over the house nalang give recommendation nalang po on my own space which is 4x4 ;D ;D ;D ;D
-cris
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Hello AudioAmplified,
I noticed that you are very helpful in giving advice in new comers like me. As you may read from my other post, i am using a leisure 2 sv paired with my ss/tube amp (azur 540A/A-50T respectively). Now on both amp, when it comes to jazz, light rock and male/female voices audio track this pair really satisfies my preference in music. Sad to say I don't limit myself to this type of music only. When it comes to rock, raggae, punk and other alternative tracks i feel that the speaker looses the drive to perform. I actually don't know how to describe it because i only have limited audio vocabulary.
Anyway in my listening preference it simply does not extend the bass, now my question is how will i extend the bass coming from the amp using this speakers. Will a sub augment the area which i find the speaker to lack? I asked this because i previously used a bookshelf + sub combo (azur540A + mf x10-d tube buffer + some cheap htib dvd player + wharf 9.2 + dtx 4.12 ;D) in my system and it gives a very tiring experience. Btw, my room's dimension is approx 4x4. Also if i may add i listen to my music virtually all over the house approx 8x12, syempre hindi na sakop garahe ;D or forget about me listenning all over the house nalang give recommendation nalang po on my own space which is 4x4 ;D ;D ;D ;D
-cris
If you really are missing the bass of your system, a subwoofer could be the answer. Whatever you do, a bookshelf speaker with small drivers will not be able to give the bass you are looking for in playing rock/raggae/punk music (although this could be sudjective, and still depends on one's preference on how much bass he wants from his system).
You could ask opinion on those people who are using subwoofer in their 2 channel set-up.
You might consider looking at subwoofers normally desighned for 2 channel set-up like REL or Bagend. You might be amazed if set-up right, it will not only be your bass that will improve, but including your mids and highs.
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Mrquery,
Here is our humble comment on your set-up.
1) Your tube + small bookshelf monitor set-up is geared towards vocals, jazz and such music. That system will not be optimized for rock and roll. Sorry to disappoint you but there is no system that can play all types of music optimally (of course there are systems that can play all of them well but there is always something that each system will play particularly better). There will be sacrifices so we always try to understand what our customers listen to most of the time and tailor our recommendation to that preference. However, here are a few area where we can improve your rock and roll on.
2) Please fax/email us your room set-up. The square configuration could be a little tricky since it can result to cancellation of certain signals; thus you do not hear the full range. We need other data such as wall material, ceiling height as well as sitting position. Then we will run those variables using our simulation software and provide you some optimized set-up suggestions. Hopefully this will help bring out the bass you have been looking for.
3) We can use cost efficient tweaks to imrpove your system. Change of pre-amp tubes to those that are faster sounding, caps upgrade to faster caps or we can use silver cables ... all these can be done to speed up the music and improve bass.
4) Adding a sub is doable... if you wish we have an Aurum sub that you can home audition to see if it addresses your need for the extra extension. Check out the SW-10 Aurum sub. www.audioamplified.com
5) If you listen to a diverse range maybe a tube + ss CD player will come in handy. The Cayin CD-15A or CD-23A comes with an ss and a tube out. If you like to rock plug it in ss and if you like to mellow then use the tube out :) We also have an amp that will allow you to tube roll 4 different types (EL-34, 6CA7, KT-88, 6550) but let us start working with your current system first. Why spend more if we can find ways to get what you want without extra expenses.
Visit us if you have time and we can talk in person. Easier because i can draw different set-ups on paper.
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Hi Mrquery,
Check your PM, I reply to your query.
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Didn't get your pm sir. please resend. Thanks
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I sent it to mrquery.
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oppsss hehehe. didnt read it fully. my bad ;D kakahiya yun ah
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No problem. Actually, I just echoing what you said earlier regarding his gears and choice of music. It's just that, I experienced having a B/S speaker and a subwoofer to give body to the music.
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Yeah... a sub does add body :) no doubt. Was just trying to suggest ways for him to get his bass without spending on a sub. :D Medyo mali nga noh since audio shop pala kami and we need the sales hahaha.
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Yeah... a sub does add body :) no doubt. Was just trying to suggest ways for him to get his bass without spending on a sub. :D Medyo mali nga noh since audio shop pala kami and we need the sales hahaha.
Hello AudioAmplified,
On the contrary i find your post to be more realistic and helpful. Of course a certain shop will always try to suggest their line of product (which i believe is only right) due to the fact that you yourself trust your units. For me, your post and suggestion guided me on the right path on achieving my preferred system rather than being sorry in the end. Thus saving my hard earned money, so keep it up AudioAmplified, you were very helpful in every way.
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Thank you... we do hope that these satisfied customers can endorse us to their friends and help us grow our business in a positive and mutually beneficial way. No point misleading people just to close a sale since we were also once audiophiles and we know how bad it feels to get a system with your hard earned money just to know that you have spent it wrongly.
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Mga Sir,
I'm really firm that my next upgrade would be for a tube, integrated or separate amps. This is a result of my recent auditions and music preference. While putting and saving funds, I would like to have references and probably learn something about tubes. Can you recommend articles that I can read on?
Thanks. ;)
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Thank you... we do hope that these satisfied customers can endorse us to their friends and help us grow our business in a positive and mutually beneficial way. No point misleading people just to close a sale since we were also once audiophiles and we know how bad it feels to get a system with your hard earned money just to know that you have spent it wrongly.
will do ;D
No point misleading people just to close a sale since we were also once audiophiles and we know how bad it feels to get a system with your hard earned money just to know that you have spent it wrongly. - totally agree
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Please click this link and experience more of Cayin:
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=67229.msg697465#msg697465
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my system now temprarily signing off... :-*
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Why? What happened? Sawa na!?
Cheers
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my system now temprarily signing off... :-*
After auditioning the flagship cd17, ayaw na makinig sa cdt-15. ;D hehehe
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my system now temprarily signing off... :-*
Nagising din sa katotohanan.
Nag karoon ng secret na pag pupulong...may nadiskubre.
Kaya mahirap nga yang mga secret pag-pupulong na yan eh. It leads to new gastos. whaaaaaa :'(
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Post naman the result of your pagpupulong with Bro. Andrew ::) :P ;D
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Post naman the result of your pagpupulong with Bro. Andrew ::) :P ;D
oo, pa post naman your observation fafa bogs.
........ or pa post naman ng mga picture of d units auditioned... and the ones listening. yung Parental Guidance lang ha fafa. ;)
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hehehe... BAD BOYS. Told you to keep your ears at home... pero nag home audition pala!!!
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oo, pa post naman your observation fafa bogs.
........ or pa post naman ng mga picture of d units auditioned... and the ones listening. yung Parental Guidance lang ha fafa. ;)
Why meron ba censored? Baka naman you guys wearing just undies when auditioning hahaha don't bother :-X :-X :-X
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Seriously speaking, when we auditioned the cayin cd17, all of us agreed that it is better than "some" (won't mention brand ;D) cd players that are much more expensive (almost 2x the price). After the AB audition....3 SONGS LANG KINAHON NA YUNG MAHAL NA CD PLAYER..hahaha
heads up comment for audio amplified guys...Ibang klase talaga Cayin, bang for the buck! :)
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B L U E G L O W !
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/BlueGlow.jpg)
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-8476489043850_1950_16873297 (http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-8476489043850_1950_16873297)
My Cayin A70 being boarded on by 6L6GC SED winged C. I love this model of A70 being able to handle EL34, 6CA7, KT88, 6550, KT100, KT66, 6L6GC. Switch switch ! ;D
Was temporarily offline back then waiting for the .. umm, ahem.... fired it up to see if the tube works .... Voila ! C'est Magnifique !
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/BlueGlow3.jpg)
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HEY! We want the scandal pics not some blue tube glow. Mukhang nudie bar na rin yung kulay so baka may censored pics hahaha
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Seriously speaking, when we auditioned the cayin cd17, all of us agreed that it is better than "some" (won't mention brand ;D) cd players that are much more expensive (almost 2x the price). After the AB audition....3 SONGS LANG KINAHON NA YUNG MAHAL NA CD PLAYER..hahaha
heads up comment for audio amplified guys...Ibang klase talaga Cayin, bang for the buck! :)
just another heads up - try the 17 through its balanced outputs; it sounds even better (much better); comparison is level-matched of course
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just another heads up - try the 17 through its balanced outputs; it sounds even better (much better); comparison is level-matched of course
what pre-amp are you using with your cd17 that can accept balanced inputs?
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SC-10 may balance hahaha. I'm so bad!!! ::)
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oo, pa post naman your observation fafa bogs.
........ or pa post naman ng mga picture of d units auditioned... and the ones listening. yung Parental Guidance lang ha fafa. ;)
Clue na lang muna....
Mas maganda pala tumunog yung microwave oven kaysa rice cooker.... ::)
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B L U E G L O W !
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/BlueGlow.jpg)
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-8476489043850_1950_16873297 (http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-8476489043850_1950_16873297)
My Cayin A70 being boarded on by 6L6GC SED winged C. I love this model of A70 being able to handle EL34, 6CA7, KT88, 6550, KT100, KT66, 6L6GC. Switch switch ! ;D
Was temporarily offline back then waiting for the .. umm, ahem.... fired it up to see if the tube works .... Voila ! C'est Magnifique !
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/BlueGlow3.jpg)
FYI A friend have stock of RCA NOS 6L6GC 12K for 4pcs ::) :o ;D
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FYI A friend have stock of RCA NOS 6L6GC 12K for 4pcs ::) :o ;D
Mahal pa yan quote mo. It's actually 7.5k for those NOS. I just dont want to invest in that yet since subok palang on what the sound is like. ;D
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Clue na lang muna....
Mas maganda pala tumunog yung microwave oven kaysa rice cooker.... ::)
Bogsle,
Bigat pala ng takip ng rice cooker na dala mo, mahal pa. :) Alang sinabi sa cd-17 ni Noel. ;) Thanks for the audition!
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Bogsle,
Balita ko na sa CD Player comparisson review mo nakasalalay ang discount mo sa cdp. Pero dapat mo muna eto release habang wala pa sa iyo new cdp. Kapag wala raw review eh SRP automatic. ;D
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Hello all Cayin lovers,
I am new to the 2-ch system, and after reading all the reviews on the Cayin A-88T integrated amp and auditioning it from a local dealer, I am very impressed with its value and sound! But I am a bit concern about its output/performance with my new pair of B&W 805s speaker! I wonder if anyone can give me some advice regarding this marriage please? (I bought the speakers before I investigate the Cayin amp!!!)
I am planning to setup these gears in a 3m x 3m (with 3m height ceiling) room which only had a three sitter sofa and a build in warwardrobe with mirror doors in it at the moment. My B&W 805s' sensitivity is 88dB and the recommended amplifier power is 50w-120w into 8 ohms on unclipped programme. My questions are:
1. Will I be able to use the Triode function of the A88T with this set of speakers?
2. Should I be getting the A100T instead (the power output is 100wpc according to its spec)? I did not listen to the A100T as they were out of stock from the dealer. How does the A100T sound? Has anyone tried it out?
3. Does anyone has any recommended speaker cables for this setup please?
4. Does anyone has any recommended CDP please? Also what interconnection cable should I use please?
Any comments would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance.
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Hello all Cayin lovers,
I am new to the 2-ch system, and after reading all the reviews on the Cayin A-88T integrated amp and auditioning it from a local dealer, I am very impressed with its value and sound! But I am a bit concern about its output/performance with my new pair of B&W 805s speaker! I wonder if anyone can give me some advice regarding this marriage please? (I bought the speakers before I investigate the Cayin amp!!!)
I am planning to setup these gears in a 3m x 3m (with 3m height ceiling) room which only had a three sitter sofa and a build in warwardrobe with mirror doors in it at the moment. My B&W 805s' sensitivity is 88dB and the recommended amplifier power is 50w-120w into 8 ohms on unclipped programme. My questions are:
1. Will I be able to use the Triode function of the A88T with this set of speakers?
2. Should I be getting the A100T instead (the power output is 100wpc according to its spec)? I did not listen to the A100T as they were out of stock from the dealer. How does the A100T sound? Has anyone tried it out?
3. Does anyone has any recommended speaker cables for this setup please?
4. Does anyone has any recommended CDP please? Also what interconnection cable should I use please?
Any comments would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance.
Bro,
Regarding the amps, ayoko magkamali kasi di pa ko ganun ka familiar. Some other members here will guide you on that.
But regarding the CDP, GET THE CAYIN CDT-17!!!!. Hindi ka magakakamali, di ka magsisisi, di ka malulugi, in fact sobra-sobra makukuha mo out of it, di ka kakapusin sa performance, at finally, baka di ka na rin mag venture into TTs and vinyl.
Well, at least that's our impression. I'm not a TT and vinyl guy, but I've thought about going into it as well. However, I've heard such setups before, both expensive and budget ones. Isa lang masasabi ko, halos kuhang-kuha ng CDT-17 ang performance ng TT and vinyl. I've reconsidered going into it already. Baka di na.
Narinig ko mismo! Contact Audio Amplified, I suggest.
In fact na out-perform pa ng CDT-17 ang more expensive CDP na itinapat namin sa kaya na halos doble ng presyo! Kung anong CDP yon....hehehe, PM ko na lang syo if you like.
Bro, CDT-17 is worth the audition.
Dare lang, on equal setup, kahit siguro US$3K-4K worth na CDP tatalunin ng US$1K++ worth na CDT-17. Ganun ako ka-confident sa kanya.
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Hello all Cayin lovers,
I am new to the 2-ch system, and after reading all the reviews on the Cayin A-88T integrated amp and auditioning it from a local dealer, I am very impressed with its value and sound! But I am a bit concern about its output/performance with my new pair of B&W 805s speaker! I wonder if anyone can give me some advice regarding this marriage please? (I bought the speakers before I investigate the Cayin amp!!!)
I am planning to setup these gears in a 3m x 3m (with 3m height ceiling) room which only had a three sitter sofa and a build in warwardrobe with mirror doors in it at the moment. My B&W 805s' sensitivity is 88dB and the recommended amplifier power is 50w-120w into 8 ohms on unclipped programme. My questions are:
1. Will I be able to use the Triode function of the A88T with this set of speakers?
2. Should I be getting the A100T instead (the power output is 100wpc according to its spec)? I did not listen to the A100T as they were out of stock from the dealer. How does the A100T sound? Has anyone tried it out?
3. Does anyone has any recommended speaker cables for this setup please?
4. Does anyone has any recommended CDP please? Also what interconnection cable should I use please?
Any comments would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance.
Hi Adam2007! My humble suggestion is for you to contact Audio Amplified and arrange for an audition of the A-88T and A-100T, using the Cayin CDT-17A as your source. That means bringing the 805's along. With the help of Noel, you will be able to hear the difference between the performance of the A-88T vs. the A-100T with respect to their degree of synergism with the 805's. I wouldn't even wonder that upon auditioning you might even spring for another Cayin amp model (he he he). Just bring along your favorite CDs too.
I am not surprised that Bogsle is raving about the performance of the CDT-17A. It is really that good! Even without changing the stock tubes with exotic ones.
As to the speaker cables and interconnects, you could also request Noel to use in the set-up the Xindak FA-1 ICs and the appropriate Xindak FS series speaker cables. Of course you can try their DIYed Mundorf Silver-Gold ICs with Eichmann terminations as well as the Mundorf Silver-Gold speaker cables (gasp!).
Good luck!!!
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Sir Bogsle WOW... hehehe. Didn't know the CDT-17 made such a big mark on you :) But thank you for the positive review on the unit. It was compared to a $10,000 CD player so i guess you can double your money on that dare ;D http://finallink.com.au/picts/Cayin%20CDT%20review.pdf
Sir Adam... which dealer did you go to? The A-100T has always been in stock and you may audition it anytime. Just pm me when you are free just in case it is out on home audition.
Cayin matches well with B&W since it can tame its highs quite well. You may either bring your bookshelf to our showroom so that we can flip flop amps and you may do an A-B-A test. Or we can also schedule a home audition for you. Either way audition and let your ears decide.
A-70 and A-100 owers here might also give you their 2 cents worth. :) I know there are a few active members here who uses Cayin with Sonus, Aurum, B&W, Vandersteen, Dyns and even a thiel. :)
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how much is the cdt-17?
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Send you PM sir :)
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Thank you Bogsle and Ace for your advice. I will sure to arrange an audition for the CDT-17A and A-100T when they came in the store. (I am down in Sydney and I could not find much user reviews on the Cayin A-88T or A-100T down here). I was reading the reviews of the Xindak cables from the Xindak site, those cables seem very interesting! I wish I could try them out with my speakers (if the dealer allows)!
Can any A-100T or A-80T user give me some advices regarding performance of these amps with the B&W 805s speakers please?
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I can refer you to my friend and Cayin distributor there... too bad we wont get your business hahaha.
May i have your email address?
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Guys... your CD players just arrived today. YAY!
Please contact Noel so that we can schedule your deliveries.
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Finally, I sold my Aragon 8008BB and bought this:
http://www.audiospace-hifi.com/detail.asp?subcatid=0&private=&catid=2269&PageNo=6&PageSize=1
Pure tube na ang gears ko. I have some questions. What will happen to my tube power amp if I connect my speaker cable to 4ohms? (there are 2 connection at the back of Power amp. One is 4 ohms and the other one is 8 ohms) I don't know what impedance my speaker has. It's an old speaker and I can't find and specs for it. Normally bookshelf like this is 6 ohms like the Dynaudio ones, but again I am not sure. If my speaker is 8 or 6 ohms, and I connect it to power amps 4 ohms, will it hurt my amp/speaker?
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Finally, I sold my Aragon 8008BB and bought this:
http://www.audiospace-hifi.com/detail.asp?subcatid=0&private=&catid=2269&PageNo=6&PageSize=1
Pure tube na ang gears ko. I have some questions. What will happen to my tube power amp if I connect my speaker cable to 4ohms? (there are 2 connection at the back of Power amp. One is 4 ohms and the other one is 8 ohms) I don't know what impedance my speaker has. It's an old speaker and I can't find and specs for it. Normally bookshelf like this is 6 ohms like the Dynaudio ones, but again I am not sure. If my speaker is 8 or 6 ohms, and I connect it to power amps 4 ohms, will it hurt my amp/speaker?
Congrats on you Audio Space, I used to have the Audio Space KT88 8i MK3, which I sold to my brother.
Try it, it should not burn your equipment.
I have been using my 4-ohm taps on my amp to drive a 6-ohm speaker. Speaker impedance rating is not really what is specified, it varies with frequency. So an 8 ohm speaker, can be 4 or 6 depending on frequency.
So just choose which tap on your amp will sound best.
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"So just choose which tap on your amp will sound best."
It won't hurt my Amp and speaker with long hours of use ??? Will it make my Amp "very hot". I know tube amp tends to be hot but VERY HOT???
Thanks.
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Guys... your CD players just arrived today. YAY!
Please contact Noel so that we can schedule your deliveries.
YAHOOOOOO!!!!!!
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Sir Bogsle WOW... hehehe. Didn't know the CDT-17 made such a big mark on you :) But thank you for the positive review on the unit. It was compared to a $10,000 CD player so i guess you can double your money on that dare ;D http://finallink.com.au/picts/Cayin%20CDT%20review.pdf
Sir Adam... which dealer did you go to? The A-100T has always been in stock and you may audition it anytime. Just pm me when you are free just in case it is out on home audition.
Cayin matches well with B&W since it can tame its highs quite well. You may either bring your bookshelf to our showroom so that we can flip flop amps and you may do an A-B-A test. Or we can also schedule a home audition for you. Either way audition and let your ears decide.
A-70 and A-100 owers here might also give you their 2 cents worth. :) I know there are a few active members here who uses Cayin with Sonus, Aurum, B&W, Vandersteen, Dyns and even a thiel. :)
Baket ganun, i-compare ba naman ang CDT-17A sa TT setup using Koetsu 80 Pickup.
HINDI FAIR!!!! HINDI FAIR.......sa ibang CDPs.... ;D
Kasi comparable na talaga sa TT/Vinyl setup ang tunog ng CDT-17A, ganun ba yon?
Yung ibang CDPs kasi naiku-compare lamang sa kapwa CDPs din eh..... ::)
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guys...
we are very happy to read the positive expiriences with our products. however, please refrain from posting comparative names when doing reviews as this sometimes lead to misunderstanding that we have other objectives in mind. thank you again.
back to regular programming.
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Kasi comparable na talaga sa TT/Vinyl setup ang tunog ng CDT-17A, ganun ba yon?
just a thought, but more of a query, was there an actual A-B using the same equipment and the same material, both in CD and LP for the comparison??...what were the distinct characteristics that made you say that the CDT-17A's sound reproduction is comparable to a Vinyl/TT Set-up...
PS: I'm an owner of a Mundorfed Cayin CDT-15a, thanks! :D
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just a thought, but more of a query, was there an actual A-B using the same equipment and the same material, both in CD and LP for the comparison??...what were the distinct characteristics that made you say that the CDT-17A's sound reproduction is comparable to a Vinyl/TT Set-up...
PS: I'm an owner of a Mundorfed Cayin CDT-15a, thanks! :D
Thanks bro for the question, 'will be glad to reply.
You're right, it was not played side-by-side with a TT setup, but rather with another CDP.
The main objective of the audition was mainly to compare the two CDPs. This is how it all started. However, we were suprised at the results. I'm not going to elaborate on the comparison of the two CDPs, since that's not your query.
I'm not a TT owner, but I have experience with them thru friends' setup, listening sesstions, and even audio shows of course.
My impressions of a TT setup (which I envy a lot) are often having a bigger soundstage, much rounder detail, heavy sounding, and the separation and layering of performers and/or instruments on better systems. However, in as much as I would like to be able to own a TT, I don't have the patience and resource for it. Kaya hanggang pakinig na lang ako in amazement. Asside from the tics and pops for course, those impressions are basically what I remember about the general sound of TT setups.
With the Cayin CDT-17A, the first impression was the very big soundstage, that's one. I remember how we had to move our seats a couple or three feet back against the wall and the door of the room. I remember asking my friend why started looking at the ceiling and walls of the room. And he said I'm trying to see (or image maybe) the expanse of the soundstage in the room. As in WHOWA! We were all surprised and got overwhelmed immediately at the start.
Next, was that big heavy, ballsy bass sound. I think I remember that my friend mentioned he did not realize his speakers could play such bass. I beleive he's been trying to improve on this by experimenting with different cables and interconnects in the past. Upon hearing the CDT-17A, someone immediately said, "so that was the missing link". My friend may have learned that he ONLY needed the CDT-17A to satisfy his bass need. I suppose that's the last of his cable and interconnect changing when he get's his new CDP.
Regarding the detail, no question about it. It was full of well rounded, crunchy detail and so lively. The music was very dynamic. Layering was great. There was clear spacing between instruments. The soundstage was deep as it is wide. Voices were so realistic, which was the exact comment that my friend's dad said when he heard the setup. By the way, his dad was not into audio.
We'll okay, it may not sound EXACTLY AS a TT would sound probably. But it was very, very close enough that the difference, for me, was very minimal. Thus, it made me think of getting this CDP and probably forget about my TT craving.
But then, these are my impressions based on experiences of other TT setups that I've heard, which I used as basis for my assesment of the performance of CDT-17A.
Thanks.
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sir,
can you pls PM me your available cd players in your shop cayin,etc. Brand/cash price.
tnx! ;D
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I believe noel replied to this already. should he have not pls pm me.
do visit our showroom sir so that you can see the models firsthand. map at www.audioamplified.com
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Thanks bro for the question, 'will be glad to reply.
You're right, it was not played side-by-side with a TT setup, but rather with another CDP.
The main objective of the audition was mainly to compare the two CDPs. This is how it all started. However, we were suprised at the results. I'm not going to elaborate on the comparison of the two CDPs, since that's not your query.
I'm not a TT owner, but I have experience with them thru friends' setup, listening sesstions, and even audio shows of course.
My impressions of a TT setup (which I envy a lot) are often having a bigger soundstage, much rounder detail, heavy sounding, and the separation and layering of performers and/or instruments on better systems. However, in as much as I would like to be able to own a TT, I don't have the patience and resource for it. Kaya hanggang pakinig na lang ako in amazement. Asside from the tics and pops for course, those impressions are basically what I remember about the general sound of TT setups.
With the Cayin CDT-17A, the first impression was the very big soundstage, that's one. I remember how we had to move our seats a couple or three feet back against the wall and the door of the room. I remember asking my friend why started looking at the ceiling and walls of the room. And he said I'm trying to see (or image maybe) the expanse of the soundstage in the room. As in WHOWA! We were all surprised and got overwhelmed immediately at the start.
Next, was that big heavy, ballsy bass sound. I think I remember that my friend mentioned he did not realize his speakers could play such bass. I beleive he's been trying to improve on this by experimenting with different cables and interconnects in the past. Upon hearing the CDT-17A, someone immediately said, "so that was the missing link". My friend may have learned that he ONLY needed the CDT-17A to satisfy his bass need. I suppose that's the last of his cable and interconnect changing when he get's his new CDP.
Regarding the detail, no question about it. It was full of well rounded, crunchy detail and so lively. The music was very dynamic. Layering was great. There was clear spacing between instruments. The soundstage was deep as it is wide. Voices were so realistic, which was the exact comment that my friend's dad said when he heard the setup. By the way, his dad was not into audio.
We'll okay, it may not sound EXACTLY AS a TT would sound probably. But it was very, very close enough that the difference, for me, was very minimal. Thus, it made me think of getting this CDP and probably forget about my TT craving.
But then, these are my impressions based on experiences of other TT setups that I've heard, which I used as basis for my assesment of the performance of CDT-17A.
Thanks.
Thanks, bro!
Thanks for the detailed sharing of your impressions...most people have that "impression" that TT sound reproduction is heavy sounding, rounder, detailed, etc...but believe me there are TTs that sound thin, edgy and even worse than sub-P10k CD Players...WHY?? again, it all boils down to system matching...You were very lucky to be able to listen to a "well-synergized" system, and eventually enjoyed the sound of the TT...the culprit may be the TT, the tonearm, the cartridge, or even the cables...what is important is that you enjoyed....that is what matters...i am very sure your new CDP properly synergized with your mastersound amp and Dali Ikon 6 speakers...
Honestly, it is very difficult to compare or even do a review of a CDP vs. a TT...IMHO it would be unfair because we cannot compare apples to oranges...there are so many other factors to consider...proper cartridge alignment, kind of tonearm, cables used, etc...in the same manner that still IMHO it is unfair to compare a tubed CDP vs. a non-tubed CDP...but this is me...and i am sure people will respect me for my opinion...
Good luck...i am very sure the next time you'll go into tube rolling for your CDP...let me know how i could be of help...in the meantime, ENJOY! Thanks! :D
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Thanks, bro!
Thanks for the detailed sharing of your impressions...most people have that "impression" that TT sound reproduction is heavy sounding, rounder, detailed, etc...but believe me there are TTs that sound thin, edgy and even worse than sub-P10k CD Players...WHY?? again, it all boils down to system matching...You were very lucky to be able to listen to a "well-synergized" system, and eventually enjoyed the sound of the TT...the culprit may be the TT, the tonearm, the cartridge, or even the cables...what is important is that you enjoyed....that is what matters...i am very sure your new CDP properly synergized with your mastersound amp and Dali Ikon 6 speakers...
Honestly, it is very difficult to compare or even do a review of a CDP vs. a TT...IMHO it would be unfair because we cannot compare apples to oranges...there are so many other factors to consider...proper cartridge alignment, kind of tonearm, cables used, etc...in the same manner that still IMHO it is unfair to compare a tubed CDP vs. a non-tubed CDP...but this is me...and i am sure people will respect me for my opinion...
Good luck...i am very sure the next time you'll go into tube rolling for your CDP...let me know how i could be of help...in the meantime, ENJOY! Thanks! :D
Thanks also for your comments.
I'll let you know more about the CDT17A later on.
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Buti pa si Bogsle, naka CD 17 na. :D
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Anyone tried upgrading the opamp of CDT-17a? Feedback please...
Cheers
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Anyone tried upgrading the opamp of CDT-17a? Feedback please...
Cheers
very soon... 8)
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Anyone tried upgrading the opamp of CDT-17a? Feedback please...
Cheers
gastos lang yan. :D Si pareng Bogsle nag upgrade na daw. ;D
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Anyone tried upgrading the opamp of CDT-17a? Feedback please...
Cheers
I did. Changed the two 604's from the stage output to BB627 and the four 604's to BB134. More detail but that's it. It's not a day and night difference. Just enjoy what you have right now, no need to upgrade. I even changed the tubes to telefunken but still, it's not a day and night difference.
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I even changed the tubes to telefunken but still, it's not a day and night difference.
Anyone tried this? I replaced mine with Amplerex 6922, boy :o there was a big difference.
How about you guys have you tried replacing your stock tube?
Cheers
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My humble personal opinion is that owners who want to upgrade tends to feel more of the difference if they know what they are looking for then tailor their upgrades to acheive that goal. Different tubes have different characteristics. Amperex, tele, mullard, etc etc. Likewise, caps have different characteristics - even within the Mundorf family itself. While there might not be a BEST tube or cap or anything... if you look carefully, there is the best tube, cap, etc for your ears and pocket. :)
As for opa... i dont know much about it so no comment hehehe
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Sige na nga.
I replaced the six pieces of 604's to BB627. The difference noticed - space surrounding the singer. The stage is clearer, wider, deeper. Again, the word is "space".
I didnt notice the difference, only until about 15 hours of breaking in.
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wow congrats
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Galing sir. Do you have spare? pahiram hehehe
Cheers
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my cd17 is performing it's best ever these days. Mundorf caps, opamps, especially the new 6922's settling in. My system now sounds like having monoblocks. cant go over 9oclock, otherwise i need to get a bigger room. details are so crystal clear, especially when paired with those ribbons.
I can now play opera's with no complaints on dynamics, power, or depth. Mundorf Silver Gold really is very transparent, and dont forget dynamic ! CD17 was the missing link in my system !
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Wala pang updrade, maganda na ang CDT-17.
What more kung idagdag pa ang mga ito sa mix?
1. Mundorf Caps
2. OPA627AP and OPA627BP
3. Seimmens (E88CC) 6922 Goldpins
4. Upgraded DIY Shunyata Braid Cable
5. Klotz 105GR interconnects w/ Eichmann Bullet Plugs soldered with Mundorf Silver solder.
Sagot: Analog sounding?
Baket question mark ang ginamit ko? Kung period or exclamation point kasi yung end ng sentence ko malamang may sasagot ng tanong na may question mark. So, inuunahan ko lang.
I other words, no one should tell me that I heard wrong, because it's my ears that I use to listen with and not theirs.
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My bad.. we never got to introduce this beauty. Cayin's most powerful integrated amplifier.
A-100T
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Power Output: 70W (EL34)/ 100W (KT88)
Vacuum Tube Component:
- 8 x EL34 / KT88
- 2 x 6CG7
- 2 x 12AU7
- 1 x 12AX7
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is the a-70t the only tube rectified integrated amp from Cayin ?
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don't know much about tubes...but would B&W 601 S3 be match to the cayin A50T? and CD50T
how much ba the following? A50T and CD50T
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is the a-70t the only tube rectified integrated amp from Cayin ?
Sir A70 and A300B. The latter is single ended but well rated in the US. Please check our website for details and reviews
www.audioamplified.com
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don't know much about tubes...but would B&W 601 S3 be match to the cayin A50T? and CD50T
how much ba the following? A50T and CD50T
Sir sent you pm on tubes and prices
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wake up call sa mga nag upgrade diyan. hehehe.
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wake up call sa mga nag upgrade diyan. hehehe.
Hangang tube, caps and opamp upgrade ko lang eh :D :D :D
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Dear Friends,
Cayin has been one of the hottest brands in 2007 garnering numerouse reviews. Below are some of them for your reading pleasure.
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Cayin's $1,295 Integrated Dual Mode A-50T Amplifier by A. Colin Flood
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I heard a copper faced Cayin TA-30 drive big ole horns at a Klipsch gathering in Arkansas two years ago (thanks, Daddydee) I was so favorably impressed, I jumped like a frog to review this Cayin amplifier! The silver and black Cayin (pronounced “Kai-an”) A-50T is a beefy, Chinese-built, $1295, integrated amplifier, with both triode and ultra linear modes. It is rated at 16-watts per channel, in triode mode, with a remote control. The A-50T is a classic tube Marantz 8B or Dynaco Class B tube design with EL-34 power output (four),
12AU7 and 12AX7 (two each) input tubes. Ron Nagle reviewed the A-50T’s bigger brother in the December 2006 issue.
One glance at the A-50T however, and I had to compare it to Antique Sound Lab’s AQ1003 DT Integrated Amplifier, which I reviewed two years ago. The AQ is a very similar integrated tube amplifier. It delivers 30-watts, using the same tubes, but derived from Class A electrical topology, for almost the same price. “This is how,” I wrote then, “amplifiers should be built: beefy, powerful, yet sweet and
delicate; with fun-to-use bias and remote controls; and relatively low-cost. A very good value for sound and quality.” Although the power output tubes are the same on both amplifiers, the transformers are larger on the AQ1003DT. Most of the time, I listened to the AQ1003DT on the solid-state powered sub-woofers of Aperion’s $599 Intimus 522D-PTPowered Towers, in a small, bright, but open room. Unfortunately, these two amps did not co-exist in the same room, with the same speakers, at the same time. Only the music and reviewer are the same. I did not “hear the A-50T back-to-back with the AQ to be able to honestly say which one I like better.” So much for a rigorously-controlled, scientific-listening experiment. Cayin means gold sounding in Chinese. They manufacture their amps in ZhuHai, close to Hong Kong, China. US models are voiced by VAS for the US domestic market. There are 50 Cayin authorized dealers in the U S. VAS maintains a complete inventory of most products. There are some products that are special orders. Special orders take up to 60 days.
The amplifier came double-boxed in 2-inch of Styrofoam, with a pair of white cotton gloves to handle the tubes. Like the AQ, there is a thin, gray Dove-bar size remote control; a modern feature which adds considerable ease of use to classic components.While the there are two sets of beefy taps on the rear, for 4 and 8-ohm connections, the A-50T does not have the sub-woofer outputs of the AQ. The tube sockets are labeled, but the tubes come installed and wrapped in Styrofoam. The black tube cage pops off easily, allowing quick adjustment to the bias pots.
Unlike the AQ, there is no easy-to-use bias meter however. You have to stick the probes of a voltmeter into holes by the tubes in order to get bias readings. The A-50T transformers are labeled in gold and the power cord is detachable for tweaking audiophiles seeking to improve their unit. Overall the Cayin, like the AQ, provides a very favorable impression of solid quality, blended with excellent value.
The Cayin importer is VAS Industries. Steve Leung is President of VAS for over 3 years. (He is also an Aurum Cantus Ribbon speaker importer too.) He is an audiophile for over 25 years. He loves the warm and musical sound of tube amplifiers. VAS is located near Newark, NJ.
Leung says tube amplifiers are better today than years ago. “Today, he says, we make better power transformers, better output transformer and utilize hand crafted point to point wiring. Sound quality is much better than older tube amps! The technology improving “with higher quality components.”
This A-50T unit was opened and checked out before shipment. He suggests a break-in of approximately 50 hours and a warmup time of approximately 30 minutes. In fact, the A-50T did seem harsh when first powered-up. When the A-50T starts up, it defaults to the CD source. It takes 30-seconds to operate fully, during which time the blue light on the volume knob blinks. When the blue light is solid, the unit is ready to crank. During power-up, the selector knob can not turn to another source. You have to wait for the A-50T to power up completely before turning its selector knob. So while you are waiting to select the source, you can load the video or music disc.
Cayin doesn’t generally recommend any special treatment or placement of the amplifier. They feel the amplifiers’ own footers are enough. Special amplifier stands however, can make a difference as well as tube dampening rings. But, Cayin says, this option is “up to each user’s ears.” If you use tube damping rings, Cayin suggests using them on the driver tubes only. Interestingly enough, the A-50T switches on the fly from its ultra linear to triode mode with the gray remote control. Big ole horn loudspeakers are so amazingly efficient that a mere two or three-watts drives most music in most homes. Low powered, single ended triode (SET) tube amplifiers therefore, are a wonderful option for tweaking audiophiles with big ole horns (See my reviewer’s bio for the context of all reviews.)
On The Fly Triode
SET design is simple, elegant, requires very little manipulation and produces an easy listening second order distortion which our ears equate with acoustic instruments. A push-pull style tube amplifier however, splits the signal into two halves and then recombines the halves in its output. The single 12AX7 tube stage in a tube pre-amplifier is a SET design. Most great audio tube preamps are SET designs.
The VAS web site says the triode mode is “the ‘BEST’ way to listen to tubes. Although the [triode] output decreases, the bandwidth increases, the distortion decreases, and damping factor increases as compared to PENTODE operation.” Big ole horns are so amazingly efficient that a mere two or three-watts drives most music in most homes. Low power SET amplifiers therefore, are a wonderful option for tweaking audiophiles with horns.
Ultra linear mode, the VAS site says, is a superb compromise between the simple triode and five-stage pentode tubes. “The output power is more than TRIODE, yet you have most of the benefits of triode. You have better linearity, greater damping factor, and lower distortion, but virtually the same power output as pentode” style amps. In ultra linear mode, the A-50T doubles its output, to 35-watts. It sounded a lot more powerful than that.
The tubes selected for the Cayin A-50t are matched for most musical and dynamic sound. “We have tried most the new tube available today.” The tubes should last for 3,000 hours due to their low bias setting. Bias is set for 0.3 volts, so a small multimeter is required to read the tube voltage settings. Replacement tubes are $160 for the complete set of 8 tubes from VAS. Tweaking audiophiles know when their tubes are wearing out, Leung says, when the sound is slow or the high frequency rolls off.
Or, in this case, when one of them starts to crackle. One of the output tubes seemed to glow brightly shortly after receiving my review unit, but when it warmed up, the crackling went away. When the crackling remains, it is time to replace the tube. Leung recommends changing the 4 power tubes first, but for the best sound, replace all the tubes.
Cayin thoughtfully provides a single white, soft cotton glove. The glove is not so tweaking audiophiles can dress like Michael Jackson. It is for handling the tubes. Oil and dirt from our greasy palms may wear down the delicate glass of hot tubes. Although actual damage is part of the folklore and mysticism of tube audio, the added glove is nice a nice touch. Wiping dust and fingerprints off the tubes with a moist, soft cloth works fine.
The amps are stable with 4-ohm, down to 2-ohm, loads. Using 20-ampere electrical service is certainly an audiophile tweak, Leung suggests, but worth it.
Comparisons
First impression of the A-50T is one of comfortable capability. Its 28+ hefty pounds, three large silver knobs, effortless sound and modern features make it seem like a far more expensive amp. The A-50T has unmistakable tube sound and capabilities, with out any severe deficiencies. On Holly Cole’s Temptation (Capitol, 1995), for example, there is clearly sweetness in the vocals, with plenty of mid-bass. Horns sound like horns. They are bright and brassy, with all the snap and class of Buckingham Guards.
Movies and music glow with A-50T’s lights. Its presence infects the house. Tube amps get a hard work-out in this household: they are always on. First a little “release the steam” music after a hard day at work. Then some more mellow, “let’s make dinner” jazz tunes. Finally, a video disc from Blockbuster. Action or drama mostly – sometimes comedy. This stereo is on all night long and most of the weekends too. Ears never wear out with tubes on big ole horns and the A-50T is no exception. Compared to the AQ1003DT, my Bottlehead 2A3 Paramours and refurbished Scott 299C integrated amplifiers — all of which I’ve heard at least briefly on big ole horns — the A-50T is a heavier, slightly more expensive unit, with unique and easy-to-use modern features.
The handy triode/ultra linear (TR/UL) button on the gray, dove bar, remote control made for wonderfully instant comparisons between the two modes. Push the button and the A-50T switches an LED on the front panel and changes its circuitry mode; amber for triode and range for ultra linear mode. Slick. At first, the difference between the two modes at low volumes on both horns and cones seems slight. Switching between the two modes is not as revealing as I expected. One mode is not clearly better sounding, with movies or music, as I expected. Only different.
Yet after a while, the orange UL mode seems like a loudness switch. It seems to re-shape response curve, lifting the mid-bass, sharpening the treble and bringing voices forward. In that respect, the orange UL mode is better at low volumes (not what I expected). At normal to loud volumes, with peaks in the mid-90dbs, the middle-range on UL mode seems too strident, brittle and the treble grates. Otherwise, on long-time favorites like Diana Krall’s wonderful Stepping Out, there was not an appreciable difference in details or definitions between the two modes. Switching to the award-winning, delicate DACT Dual gold patch cords made just as much difference.
Even in triode mode, my Dynaco and Paramour amplifier combination is still slightly sweeter and more delicate than the A-50T, but 2A3 tubes are too low powered for all but the most ultra-efficient loudspeakers. With its integrated pre-amplifier, the A-50T is a very good value for most audiophiles. It is solid and powerful, with stronger mid-bass, powerful enough for my bookshelf speakers, but without the Nth degree of delicacy and mid-range smoothness of the Paramours’ 2A3 tubes.
Compared to a beast like the Delta 6s, the A-50T has the enjoyable tube sound. It does not have the wide soundstage, midrange nuances and strong mid-bass control of the massive Delta 6s, but then it is only a quarter of the weight and the price! If bass is where you live, the tube amplifiers I have heard with big ole horns do not have the cement-solid feel of even a modest solid-state amplifier, and the A-50T doesn’t change that. Yet, like the Delta 6s monster, its music too is like the live event. Neither one may not be as accurate, but music is more enjoyable than listening with modestly priced solid-state equipment. Of course, the A-50T is more musical on big ole horns, but on my cone speakers, it had enough of the high and mid-bass to satisfy. I am not switching from my passive bi-amp set-up, but if I was starting over, an amplifier like this one might be all I ever need.
A Reborn Classic
I grade slavishly. Only where the review equipment unit is “very good” – performing above average, will I confer four Blue Notes on the Enjoy The Music.com categories. The unit must work as hard for that score as a migrant worker in the noon-day sun. The A-50T is no exception. Across the board I thought this was a very good, all-around and capable performer. In my own personal category, Enjoyment, the A-50T scores 4 Blue Notes. I enjoyed the value it gives for the price. The A-50T is very good tube sound, at an excellent price. It will not be the weakest link in any normal audio/video chain with typical speakers, room or demands.
Two years ago, I said there was “very little to buy in the way of excellent tube pre or power amplifiers with good looks, hefty build, decent sound quality and modern features.” Now, there are several excellent choices from Antique Sound and Cayin. Cayin’s robust and practical construction, design and price are solid. The small remote control and TR/UL switch is addicting. This is one hard-to-beat modern version of a classic amplifier! Without any unusual demands, any tweaking audiophile would be proud to own, listen and enjoy this amplifier for a very long time. It is solid, strong sounding, yet sweet and delicate enough, with tube bias adjustment and remote control; making it a very good value for sound and quality. This integrated EL-34 unit is a winner at great price point.
For the online version please check http://audioamplified.com/Reviews/PDF/A50T_EnjoytheMusic.pdf
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Cayin A-70T Integrated Tube Amplifier by Ron Nagle
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I said it all before there are some really good affordable audio components coming from the Pacific Rim most of them from Mainland China. Fact is that some U.S. based companies have their products either partially or entirely made offshore and they never mention that fact. The case of the now mostly defunct Red Rose Audio and their marketing philosophy stands out in my memory. In an ironic backhanded way this is a testimonial for the quality of Chinese manufacturing. Case in point is the affordable Cayin line of audio components. It is yet another example of Audiophile grade equipment that offers great value for the money. Read
on; lets take a look at the big picture.
Origins
As I just found out the Zhuhai Spark Electronic Equipment Co. LTD in China manufactures the subject Cayin A-70T amplifier and also the PrimaLuna line of audio components. The range of products made under just these two brand names is impressive. I first learned of the Cayin components last January at the 2006 CES. Ever since that time I have been very eager to try one of the Cayin amplifiers in my reference system. I was fortunate; after I made a phone call a representative from VAS Industries delivered the A-70T Integrated Amplifier to my home. The amplifier was placed on the floor between my Quad ESL 63 speakers and Gradient ESL woofers. I had been listening with a PrimaLuna 2 amplifier I replaced that with the Cayin A-70T. It took only one CD to know I had found a match for my Quad speakers. The way this Cayin amplifier is connected to my system I can drive the Quads full range with the A-70T or bi-amp the system using my modified Hafler 500 as the second amplifier powering only the Gradient woofers. Using the A-70T amplifier in a bi-amp setup gives me an advantage I can remove the lowest bass frequencies and listen to the sound produced from the lower midrange on up to dog whistle.
The Genealogy
This amplifier has a very interesting raison d’etre. As you probably know during the transistor heyday there was a thriving export business for classic American tube amplifiers from Marantz, Fisher, Scott, and others. A few enterprising people made a nice living buying old unwanted tube audio in America and selling these same units on the opposite side of the Pacific where they were getting three or four times what they paid. Of course it was inevitable that one day the supply would run out, still the demand remained alive and well. Now jump ahead and look at the last few years and the burgeoning Chinese economy. With increasing prosperity the demand for vintage American audio grew stronger than ever. Back in 1993 a Chinese company called China National Aero Technology began to manufacture audio components. They claimed that their products could duplicate the sound of classic Marantz, Citation and McIntosh amplifiers. Later on there was a spin off from the original company and the Zhuhai Spark Electronic Equipment Co. LTD was born. Incidentally the name Zhuhai refers to a region in China where the factory is located.
Deus Ex Machina
This is the section where we explore the nuts and bolts of the Cayin A-70T integrated amplifier. They are hand assembled with neat point-to-point wire routing. Sporting a thick aluminum faceplate they are coated with a beautiful metallic lacquer spraypainted over the steel chassis and tube cage. This integrated amplifier uses four Kt 88 Pentodes for power and is a Push Pull class A2 design. The A-70T owner manual describes the voltage setting procedure used to adjust tube bias but does not mention the tube type. However the procedure refers to the supplied KT88 pentodes. You can use other types of pentode output tubes but nothing is mentioned about the bias setting for these other tubes. The PrimaLuna PL 2 is made by the same company but differs because it has one less high level “Pre-input” and it does not have a “Pre-out” connection and is not remote controlled.
You might call the Cayin A-70T with KT88’s the upscale feature added big brother of the KT88 PrimaLuna PL 2. The A-70T is rated at 55 watts per channel and so it provides an additional 15-watts per side. The A-70T uses proprietary EI audio transformers and a toroidal power transformer said to have a much wider frequency response. The hand wired A-70T is a remote controlled integrated amplifier. This amplifier uses a 5AR4 rectifier tube. The driver tubes are two each 12AX7EH (hi-mu) and two 12AU7EH (medium-mu) tubes, both types are dual triodes. Incidentally the Greek letter Mu pronounced mew, is used to denote a tubes amplification factor.
For me the fun part of this amplifier is definitely the remote control feature. There is one remote control function that I always wanted to try. It is the ability to switch the amplifier between Triode and Ultralinear operation on the fly. Other than the small pushbutton power switch on the front panel all of the functions can be accessed via the aluminum remote control. There are eight buttons on the remote, two control up down volume, four select CD, Aux, Tape, Pre-in and Mute the last button switches between Triode and Ultra linear. After you switch on the amplifier a yellow colored Light Emitting Diode (LED) on the volume control knob blinks a yellow caution. After about 30 seconds that same diode turns red and the soft start cycle is completed the amplifier is than ready to go.
As I indicated the remote control allows you to select from one of the four input sources CD, Aux, Tape, and Pre-in. There is one additional pair of RCA connections on the rear panel labeled, Pre-out. The Pre-in and Pre-out connections offer an increased level of system flexibility. The first most obvious use for the Pre-in connections will enable you to separate from the preamp and use only the power amplifier portion of the A-70T. You might choose to use the pre-out to drive a powered subwoofer or run a set of cables to an outboard processor or recording device. On the top panel cover in two locations just in front of the left and right pairs of KT88 tubes are tube bias test points, three per side. Just above these test points are four bias potentiometers located below the top cover plate and accessible using a small slotted screwdriver. Using a voltmeter the bias adjustment is straightforward and easy to do. Each of the chassis tube openings has a nice decorative aluminum ring just above the sockets. The owners manual states that many different pentode tube types may be substituted for the stock KT88’s.
So if you are into “tube rolling” (tube substitution) like I am there are a lot of interesting tube tinkering possibilities waiting for you. Now look just behind the two output transformers at the back of the chassis. There are six sets of plastic covered WBT style speaker posts for connecting16, 8 and 4-Ohm speakers. There is an IEC style AC socket that allows you to use a variety of upgrade power cords.
Caveat Emptor
As I advanced farther in this report my research uncovered some confusing product duplication. There are actually two nearly identical models of this same Cayin amplifier. Acoustic Sounds markets a different version and states they are “ the exclusive on line dealer for Cayin Audio products” they sell a similar SA-70T Integrated Amplifier. But Acoustic Sounds lists different specifications for their amplifier. They specify the SA-70T amplifier power as having 30 watts per channel in Ultralinear and 18 watts in triode operation. A bit farther along on the Acoustic Sounds web site the manufacturer literature states that that the SA-70T amplifier uses auto bias. And provides a list of possible substitute pentode type tubes KT88, 6550, KT66, KT77, 5881, 6L6, EL34, 6CA7 and 7189A.
The integrated I am evaluating for this report is from VAS Industries the “Exclusive Cayin Importer and distributor” of the A-70T Integrated amplifier The A-70T owners manual specifies that it is rated at 55 watts Ultralinear and 26 watts triode. The A-70T will allow tube substitution using the same types of pentodes as the SA-70T but requires that you adjust tube bias manually. The power specifications of both amplifiers are rated into an 8-Ohm load using KT88 tubes and in every other way the amplifiers appear identical.
Understand that substituting other types of pentodes for the stock KT88’s will change the power rating for both versions of this amplifier. Additionally there is a slight price difference, the Acoustic Sounds SA-70T lists for $1,975 and the VAS A-70T lists for $1,995. I phoned VAS the importer and I was informed that the two versions of this amplifier are still available. However VAS Audio states that they import and sell only the “newer higher power” A-70T version. This audio amplifier has upgraded power transformers and costs twenty Dollars more and for me the choice between the two is the Cayin A-70T. The increased power will allow a broader range of applications and that means more system matches.
The Sound
The Chinese Zhuhai Spark Company still markets amplifiers that model themselves after classic American amplifiers of old. With KT88’s the Cayin A-70T is said to sound like a McIntosh Mc275 amplifier. If you go directly to the manufacturers site you can find a statement that the A-70T equipped with EL34 tubes sounds like a Classic Marantz 8 B amplifier. Yes I know, I would just like you take these claims with a large grain of salt. Unfortunately I don’t have either of these two grand old Dames of classic audio to do a comparison so just lets not go there. I will tell you instead what this device sounds like in my system.
When the VAS guy dropped off this amplifier I was listening to a Diana Krall Album The Look Of Love Verve [314-549-846]. I replaced the PrimaLuna PL 2 I was listening to with the Cayin A-70T. To describe the differences between a good solid-state amplifier and a good tube powered amplifier is hard. To describe the differences between tube amplifiers is an art form that could trip up Shakespeare and Shelley. However I am bound to try, placing the A-70T in my system I could hear more warmth suffuse Diana’s voice. The more powerful ultralinear amplifier lent the supporting bass lines a stronger apparent foundation that projected the sound out into the room. The sound of the A-70T in triode mode might be what the manufacturer refers to as the sound of an older classic American amplifier, but I can’t be sure.
Yes the triode configuration is warmer but the sound is still believable and is very natural. It was not so much like you were hearing the performance but rather more like you were experiencing a pleasant half forgotten memory. Suspending disbelief you are immersed all the more by the emotional content. It’s as if a time machine trespassed space carrying you believing to the event. The most prevalent criticism of tube amplification is that tubes lack speed and this is most apparent on large bass transients.
The majority of the time I preferred to run the amplifier in ultralinear mode this greatly extends the upper and lower range of the amplifier. And to my ears in this operational mode nothing is left, out the full spectrum of the performance is there to enjoy. Since I listen and evaluate mostly by listening to the sound of a human voice using the amplifier in either mode is usually not a problem for me. I do have a recording I use to test and evaluate bass, it is something I’ve used and referred to before. Adagio d’ Albinoni is performed by Gary Karr and Harmon Lewis and is available via the Cisco Music catalog [GCD8003]. It is a large pipe organ accompanying an Amati bass fiddle recorded in a cavernous stone cathedral. This musical selection is invaluable to me because it contains sustained bass frequencies that slowly decay to inaudibility. This test helps me to analyze not just the bass transient speed but far more important the tonal structure of the sound itself. And in that resonant stone Cathedral the wooden Amati seems to summon you with a mournful cry of sorrow. Using the Cayin to drive my ESL 63 speakers full range the timber accuracy is wonderful it allows you to hear the harmonic shading and wooden voiced resonance of the Amati Bass.
The Cayin amplifier gets it right, the sadness the longing the essence of the music is free to tug at your emotions. If this performance does not affect you than I suggest you seek medical attention.
Coda
What is the nature of the beast, what is it all about, in our quest for reality we strive to make the performance come to life. And where in the scheme of things does the Cayin A-70T fit in. Well it’s not at the top of the heap for me the most realistic sounding amplifier that I’ve heard is the $13,000 ART Audio Vivo 300B tube amplifier I reviewed for Enjoy The Music.com®. But the A-70T for $1,995 is not that much farther down the list that is if we judge audio components on a scale that rates the real life quality of their performance. Bottom line the Cayin is a very good sounding well-built amplifier that is easily worth much more than the asking price. Let me digress for a moment, its my impression that the majority of the sound I hear in demo rooms at Hi-Fi shows emphasize speed and razor edge detailing which is the digital forte. I suppose that’s ok if you only stop for a while in these rooms. I do believe you are bound to leave impressed. It is indeed a quick shot in the ear and the prevalent way to marketaudio gear but live music does not sound like that
Let me ask you a question, are you exclusively solid state and only playing CD’s? Are you using your expensive system more now just to provide back round music? Well Bunky I think I can help you. It may be that this phenomenon is a direct result of digital encoding and its subliminal side effects. If all you listen to are compact discs then I have a radical suggestion to make.
Get tubes, put them someplace in your system be it pre or power or maybe even a tube hybrid CD player. Cast off your start stop sound and put a little harmonic continuity back into your life. Audiopals the Cayin A-70T is a very good place to start.
The human brain is an analogue decoder not a digital decoder and deserves to be treated with respect.
For online version please check http://audioamplified.com/Reviews/PDF/A70T_EnjoytheMusic.pdf
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The CD-50T has been a very popular tube cd player. While we are still waiting for the english review from sterophile and absolute which the US distributor says will be soon... here are some things people in Audiogon say about it:
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Cayin CD50-T Anybody audition or own this?
I see that Cayin has introduced a new tube cd player. Has anybody auditioned or own one of these? What are your thoughts on its construction and sound?
Thanks
Vlad.
Vlad1456 (Threads | Answers)
01-12-07
Responses
01-12-07: Invincible
I have not, but the January edition of "The absoulte sound" has a small review on it along with the 88-T tube amp.
Invincible (Answers)
01-12-07: [email protected]
I own a cd-50T and heres what I think.
For acoustic music its pretty much unbeatable at the price. For rock music such as Rolling Stones etc - it probably lacks the speed / dynamic punch I like down low (think NAIM).
However, when you hear something like Joni Mitchell or Diana Krall through this player all will be forgiven beleive me.
So for the hard rock fans - I'd probably go elsewhere, and for anyone else I cant think of anything better at the price.
In comparison my opinion is that IT EATS AN aRCAM CD73t, Cambridge 640c, and nad C542 for anything but hard rock which it does at a similar standard.
Conclusion: at the price it has no competition - mind you its not as good as a Mcintosh CD/SACD either (although the build quality is comparable.
cheers
[email protected]
01-13-07: Vlad1456
Thrusty and Invincible, thanks for your input!
Vlad.
Vlad1456 (Threads | Answers)
01-16-07: Bondmanp
I auditioned one at the Vacuum Tube Valley show last May in NJ. The Cayin distributer A/B'd it with the Cayin SACD (2CH) player, and I thought the CD-50T was noticeably warmer. I was impressed, although I did not listen long enough to give you an informed opinion.
Bondmanp (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers)
01-18-07: [email protected]
Update: I have tried some NOS 12au7 tubes with my CD-50T.
Phillips Miniwatt 12au7/12au7a 1950's /1960's sound way better than the standard valve - more detail yet not fatiguing - still dont have the solid state slam though.
AWV Super Radiotron 12au7a - OMG this tube absolutely rocks in the cd-50T. Huge soundstage, awesome dynamics, and the level of detail is astounding.
Playing the Stones SACD/Hybrids the cd-50T plays the cd layer better than my Denon 3910 plays the sacd layer - in comparison the Denon sounds "bloated" and confused in the midrange and the treble is veiled.
So if your willing to spend 5mins and $50 rolling tubes the Cayin cd-50t for me now has no competition at the price regardless of muscial tastes / genres.
I listened to a Cambridge C640c and Arcam cdt73 the other day which are around the same price as the Cayin cd-50t give or take $50.
The Cd-50T completely outclasses these two by a country mile. In fact to me the Arcam and Cambridge sounded boring - which is a bit tough too say because if the Cayin didnt exist I'd highly reccomend the Arcam or Cambridge in this price range.
Only my opinion though, I'd still reccomend auditioning any of these players. Although the ability to roll tubes in the Cayin is the icing on the cake for me.
cheers everyone
[email protected]
01-27-07: [email protected]
Got mine since yesterday - can only confirm Thrusty's enthusiasm re sound (Jazz, Classic) and ease of tube doctoring. AMV unfortunately not easy to get here (Germany), but will try EH. Anyway, a real positive surprise in this price class.
I can also confirm the superior sound of SACDs on the player. Since SACDs hardly come with HDCD but rather ordinary 16bit CD layers, what could be an explanation here?
Cheers,
Achim
[email protected]
And oh... of course there are lots of non-english review http://www.audioforum.be/article-print-1524.html in case anybody would like to translate it for us :)
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(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j142/audio_amplified/CDT-23_small.jpg)
Nice words about the Cayin CD-23A CD-player from Sterophile. This same unit was also rated Sterophile Class-B product last year.
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j142/audio_amplified/CDT-23_review.jpg)
For the online file please click http://www.vasindustries.com/r.a.asp
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Cayin's Flagship CDT-17A
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I am sure that the Cayin CDT-17A CD Player’s sound effect can be compared with the highest grade digital system of more than 10,000 US dollar.
The sound was impressive at once when I first turned on the Cayin CDT-17A CD Player. It sounds like the effect of the unusual treasure Koetsu 80 Pickup which many fans are earnestly long for. The timbre is very pure, natural, relaxed, and tireless. Although I have a Koetsu 80 Pickup which is very expensive (8,000 US dollar ten years ago) and unwonted, I do not always use it for the difficulties to buy new one to change the broken one. Benz micro ruby Ⅲ is always used because of the prices of 3,000 US dollar and the convenience of buying and going back factory to change the new pickups.
Cayin CDT-17A CD Player’s sound effect can not catch the whole music soul of the Koetsu 80 Pickup and even the 80 or 90 percent of it. Whether you know that the price is 26,000 US dollar only including one Koetsu 80 Pickup with air-driven turntable, air-driven arm and full-balance pick-up amplifier (from the arm to the amplifier) which is more than 20 times than the price of the CDT-17A. It is more convenient when we use the CDT-17A without any tension in the hart (in case of the damage of the Pickup), so we always have a relaxed mood when we enjoy the CDT-17A with the felling that what a good sound effect with that par instrument.
We can enjoy the feeling of the Hall Effect using CDT-17A with CAI QIN FOLK SONG, especially the song Follow Me To Say Love Me. We have the feeling that Timbre and consonance are rolling on the both sides of our rooftree which the Lingering musical sound and the feeling can only be compared to some records played with Koetsu Pick-up. As only for Leisureliness and lingering charm, the Cayin CDT-17A CD Player has already attained the word standard without the consideration of the price.
Air and body: Many instruments exhibited in the Hong Kong Hi-Fi show had all given a demonstration using voice, bass and big gun of ZHAO PENG Vol 1. I found that it was not easy to play the songs of ZHAO PENG, especially the song “The Moon Speaks For My Heart”. What is the result of expression using the Cayin CDT-17A CD Player with Altec Ultra A5 MK6? The timbre is full of relaxation, easiness and bounce while two Spanish Guitars give the introduction
Zhao Peng’s voice has a unique attraction and magnetic charm with the ample air sense and the setting off from the bottom of the throat. Zhao Peng has sang the larruping song The Moon Speaks For My Heart with the basic skills full of the feeling of tiredness, idleness and unconcern. Although Deng Lijun has sung the song, the song here has a unique style of the voice, and moreover, the Right-hand Bass cello plays a deep and relaxed bass. As for the air sense and the Body full degree Cayin CDT-17A CD has already attained the world’s best level of separation.
The sound effect of the rubber leg belongs to the kinds of instantaneous slowing and weak analysis, moreover, Cayin CDT-17A CD’s instantaneous change speed, analysis and the live sense fade because the legs’ positions do not matched the center of the gravity, believe? So long as you change the position according to the indication of the drawing, the instantaneous change speed, analysis and the live sense will be improved more than one time, and if the rolling crystal tacks are used for supporting the effect will be improved twice. Frankly Cayin legs have been already much better than other products, and if the low center of gravity is placed CDT-17A CD will Sweep other products away in domestic market.
The arrow 1 showed in the drawing indicates the all-closed Transport system which can stop the interferences of the useless lights, electromagnetic wave and electric wave completely. The arrow 2 indicates the power supply transformer for digital and the arrow 3 indicates the other one for analog. Arrow 3 and 4 show the soul parts of the CDT-17A CD, and the chips are BB DAC PCM1792 (24 bit/192kHz) which are used exclusively for compact disc player in domestic market. Actually each chip is used for only one CD, but one PCM1792 is used to get the all balanced decoding for each sound channels in order to stop the interferences between the two channels. The weak analog signals firstly pass the low pass including six OPA604s OPT AMP so as to obtain the full-balance fastidiously after the D/A conversion course.
Two vacuum tubes EH 6922 are used to do the full-balance amplifying. DC is filtrated through four Wimas 2 mF capacitances and then the alternating current sound signals are transmitted to the Pre-amplifier or amalgamated amplifier. The two amplifications operate independently in order to avoid the interferences between the full-balance and single-ended amplification. The two EH6922 triodes are used to single-ended amplify independently and the following Wimas 2 mF capacitances are used to filtrate the DC of the single ends. The two Realcap 0.4 mF (white) clung to the Wimas are used to filtrate the UHF completely.
When you look at the CDT-17A circuitry carefully you will find out more than sixty Ribbin capacitances with the price of 400 bucks (each one 6 bucks), and May I ask how the manufacturer makes money? I recollect that Mr. Wang in Melody whose job is radar designing while serving in the army have given me several resistances used for radar designing. The sound effect is very good when we weld them to the electronic crossover for a test. I t is impossible to bear the price of such high-quality resistances with the Melody’s price. Actually these were the surplus products of the military more than ten years ago, and military decided to break them and recycle the pure silver and copper for environmental protection. The boss of Melody bought all the surplus goods and used them to their own products. Cayin is affiliated to Aerospace industry and we can speculate that Cayin bought the surplus high-quality resistances used for Aerospace industry to produce Hi-Fi, it just a guess and we try to get the answer till next meet with the important official of Cayin
Conclusion: The Cayin CDT-17A CD has the highest cost performance ratio I have tested in a long long time. Because of the appropriate price it is well worth spending a lot of attention exploiting the potentialities to the high point. I am sure that the Cayin CDT-17A CD Player’s sound can be compared with the highest grade digital systems of more than 10,000 US dollar.
For online version please visit http://finallink.com.au/picts/Cayin%20CDT%20review.pdf
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Dear Friends,
Cayin has been one of the hottest brands in 2007 garnering numerouse reviews. Below are some of them for your reading pleasure.
good day,
pls pm price for cdt17a and a100t w kt88, thanks
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thanks for your interest sir. replied via pm.
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I read somewhere that Cayin has its roots in germany, is this true ? can you guys share a little bit of Cayins history - thanks
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Cayin is a German company who has a joint venture with CATIC (China Aeronautics) to make hi-fi audio systems SPARK AUDIO. Cayin Germany brought in the initial technology and knowledge on music and utilized the production line, quality control and access of parts of CATIC to make good quality audio products. Their partnership has been there for quite a while. I believe Cayin Germany has joint ownership to the Cayin trademark that is why you see some models only in Cayin and some models for China market labelled as SPARK.
So far the partnership has been very positive as Cayin has grown not only in EU but now in the US.
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I read a lot of reviews of Cayin amp, its being compare mostly to vintage Marantz amp. Why is Cayin being associated with vintage gear? Like this review from enjoy the music January 2007 With KT88's the Cayin A-70T is said to sound like a McIntosh Mc275 amplifier. If you go directly to the manufacturers site you can find a statement that the A-70T equipped with EL34 tubes sounds like a Classic Marantz 8 B amplifier. Can you enlighten mr? I'm shopping for an integrated and interested with a70t model. thanks
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When Ferrari salesman says their car is Fast, you know its fast ...
When an unknown hi performance car says their car is fast, you would ask, how fast ? ..Like a ferrari .. it gives you an idea how fast it is based on a benchmark
In the Cayin case, the benchmark are those collectible amps from Marantz and McIntosh.
I use an A70T myself and previously had a Dynaco St70 series II and a Scott 299D, I would describe the A70-t as a Scott 299d on steroids.
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Likewise my A-50T is a classic tube Marantz 8B or Dynaco Class B tube design which I am now quite happy with. :)
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Thanks for the very proper explanation qguy. I actually dont even know how to describe it better than what you did.
Since audio is very difficult to get into words (that is why we always encourage our customers to read the reviews but more importantly AUDITION) using these known amps as benchmarks is the best way to communicate the "cayin expirience" since these vintage amps are well respected and known. This allows for a apples to apples analogy.
Cayin is like these vintage amps in steriods. With newer technology; Cayin built their philisophy around these "collectors" amps by improving some aspects while keeping the soul that made these vintage amps well loved through the ages. The MC275 is still being produced up to this date (i think its their anniversary edition) and is still considered one of the best ever power amplifier from McIntosh. Of course it will cost several times more than the a-70t. Sadly Marantz 8 is out of production for a long long time, yet people still cherish this amp... for those who cant find a vintage then at least we know there is the Cayin A-50T at an affordable price as sir JoeyGS mentioned and enjoys.
Thanks sirs for your positive feedback on Cayin.
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Thanks for the input guys. Since you have mentioned it, Where can I audition? I want to compare a70t and a50t, maybe the a100t if budget permits.
By the way I saw a different version of 70t, sa70t I've read its 30watts/channel, auto bias. Its also has a swicth for EL34 group and KT88 group of tubes. What does it mean? Sorry i'm just a newbie.Any inputs Cayin owners? ...thanks
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There are two versions of the A-70T
The 30 watts version
Runs in Class Class A
Switch for El34 or 6550 familes of tubes (el34, 6Ca7,6L6, Kt88, 6550, Kt90)
Auto bias, no need to bias when changing tubes
The 55 watt version
Runs in Class AB
Can use only kt88 or 6550 or its equivalent, I dont think you can use EL34 types
Bias is manually done everytime you changed tube - think of it as alingment of your tires ;D
Thanks for the input guys. Since you have mentioned it, Where can I audition? I want to compare a70t and a50t, maybe the a100t if budget permits.
By the way I saw a different version of 70t, sa70t I've read its 30watts/channel, auto bias. Its also has a swicth for EL34 group and KT88 group of tubes. What does it mean? Sorry i'm just a newbie.Any inputs Cayin owners? ...thanks
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A-100T is a monster giving 100 watts per channel. This is Cayin's most powerful integrated and can be used effectively on difficult to drive speakers such as dyns, thiel or sonus. The A-100T is also Cayin's newest integrated amp. It comes with a guage so that you can bias easily without the need of a tester.
Beautiful design, power all rolled into one.
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pag balik ko ng pinas, i'l pick up na my amp na naka Turbo, pati cables na ginto. ;D
Tika? Hangji ! ;)
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anong amp yung kinuha mo sir
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Any clue?
Is it a monoblock? ;D
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clue.. anything larger than a A-70T ;D
Any clue?
Is it a monoblock? ;D
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Pa PM naman ng price ng Cayin integrateds and the NAD preamp and amp lines please. . . :-)
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hi!
just want to solicit ur opinion on my plan....
my current setup :
dvdp ---> mf x10d ----> harman avr 235 (analog in)
i was thinking 1st of looking for a DAC (mf x-dac or mf 24k)
to be inserted in between the dvdp & x10d....
however, my plan changed....
instead of buying just a DAC, im planning to get a
dedicated CDP with a built in DAC....
with this, im considering to acquire a Cayin CD-50T....
-im curious on how the cayin cdp would blend with my
tube buffer.....
your comments would be highly appreciated....
thanks in advanced!
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replied via pm sir
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pag balik ko ng pinas, i'l pick up na my amp na naka Turbo, pati cables na ginto. ;D
Tika? Hangji ! ;)
Here's a clue:
Its a monoblock
Cabling are made of gold alloy
Premium caps
Would you like to know more? ::) hehehe
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its heavy. its tuuubey hahaha
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hi!
just want to solicit ur opinion on my plan....
my current setup :
dvdp ---> mf x10d ----> harman avr 235 (analog in)
i was thinking 1st of looking for a DAC (mf x-dac or mf 24k)
to be inserted in between the dvdp & x10d....
however, my plan changed....
instead of buying just a DAC, im planning to get a
dedicated CDP with a built in DAC....
with this, im considering to acquire a Cayin CD-50T....
-im curious on how the cayin cdp would blend with my
tube buffer.....
your comments would be highly appreciated....
thanks in advanced!
uuuuyyyyy pasimple ang SARS!
jim, imho -
better simple set up - cd50t > a55t > celestion sl6si ;D
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tsk!
nasa inquiry & review & saving-up stage pa lang ako!
layuan mo ko jake!
ayaw ko mahawa ng serious case ng SARS mo!!! ;D ;D ;D
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tsk!
nasa inquiry & review & saving-up stage pa lang ako!
layuan mo ko jake!
ayaw ko mahawa ng serious case ng SARS mo!!! ;D ;D ;D
I have units (Cayin A50 + CDT50) allocated for you sir Jim, as recommended by Jake - 6 months deferred 0% interest - best cure for SARS!! ha! ha!
cyber
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ayan na! ayan na! cayin cdp > cayin tube integrated > celestion SL6Si here we come! told you jim, ang layuan mo yang isang hobby mo na puro putok. di maganda tunog niyan. hahaha!
ahem 6 mos zero interest? wow! how can you go wrong with this offer for the cayin cdp?!
jim, bibili na ako ng red wine - the best while listening to diana krall and pareng frank with the cayins!
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I have units (Cayin A50 + CDT50) allocated for you sir Jim, as recommended by Jake - 6 months deferred 0% interest - best cure for SARS!! ha! ha!
cyber
ayan na!!! patay tayo dyan!!! hahahahaha!!!!
really? 6 months? ayan na!!! lapit na kumagat!!! ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Here's a clue:
Its a monoblock
Cabling are made of gold alloy
Premium caps
Would you like to know more? ::) hehehe
Now up an running ! ;D
its heavy. its tuuubey hahaha
oh yes. Nahilo ako sa dami ng te-test ko na tubes. Matagal na process pero at least I know kung malakas pa tubes ko. Mas mahal ngayon mag tube roll sa power amp ! >:(
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**Balita ko meron isa diyan magbebenta ng Leisure 2SE, at mag V3 ! :-X
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Hehehe. Tube rolling is fun :) Just dont burn yourself
umm... V3M is one hell of a speaker. who is upgrading kaya? Leisure 2SE is a steal at its price.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/DSC00193.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/DSC00195.jpg)
EQUIPMENT :
Cayin 860 Monoblock - Upgraded to Mundorf Gold/Silver caps and Supreme
Cayin SC-6 Pre amp - Upgraded to ALL Mundorf Gold/Silver Caps
Cayin CD17t Player - Upgraded to ALL Mundorf Gold/Silver Caps, plus Upgraded 6 opamps.
ALL Mundorf IC with Rhodium plugs
Mundorf Speaker Cable
Aurum Cantus Moon River Mini Speakers with Mundorf Caps
2kVA Servo Motor
DIY Shunyata Braid Power Cord with Oyaide AC/IEC.
Xindak XF 1000 Line Conditioner
What can I say? Equipment matching found. Ears very happy ! =)
.................if V6 goes 50% off, yan ang susunod ! hehe.
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Wow !!!
great rig sir le_stat!
with all those tubes.... not only is the sound WARM!
also the room! ;D
ultimate setup na ata yan!!! lalaway ako!
whats that gear na nakapatong sa cdp sir?
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whats that gear na nakapatong sa cdp sir?
Samsung 1080p7 DVD Upscaler is on top of the cdp.
With all of these tubes, you also need a tube tester to avoid the hassle of going outside for someone to check for you the readings.
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Guys,
Any tube pre amp you could recommend to pair with bada 2 channel power amp?
TIA
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/le_statx/P2190205.jpg)
EQUIPMENT :
Cayin 860 Monoblock - Upgraded to Mundorf Gold/Silver caps and Supreme
Cayin SC-6 Pre amp - Upgraded to ALL Mundorf Gold/Silver Caps
Cayin CD17t Player - Upgraded to ALL Mundorf Gold/Silver Caps, plus Upgraded 6 opamps.
ALL Mundorf IC with Rhodium plugs
Mundorf Speaker Cable
Aurum Cantus Moon River Mini Speakers with Mundorf Caps
2kVA Servo Motor
DIY Shunyata Braid Power Cord with Oyaide AC/IEC.
Xindak XF 1000 Line Conditioner
What can I say? Equipment matching found. Ears very happy ! =)
.................if V6 goes 50% off, yan ang susunod ! hehe.
Wow, awesome rig. Congrats bro! ;)
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Darating na ba sa Pilipinas to and how much kaya:
INTEGRATED VACUUM TUBE AMPLIFIER SP-10A
(http://sparkaudio.com/gp.asp?id=149&m=1)
(http://sparkaudio.com/gp.asp?id=149&m=2)
According to Stereophile (http://blog.stereophile.com/ces2008/011108sp/) it can be made available with either KT88 or 6L6.
Willing to be a guinea pig if the price is right (just as soon as I can sell my 75wpc AMX) :-P
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huwaw! ang pogi pogi! jim ito na lang antayin mo...
eto pala mga katerno niyang gears!
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/untitled.jpg)
ang pogi nila diba....hep hep hep!!! jim ang laway tumutulo... ;D
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if you guys like the vintage "wood" look we can bring them in for you guys. indent order. We will have a shipment soon so place your orders :)
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what's the difference between the a50 with the 34 tubes versus the kt88 tubes?
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Sir what you meant is A-50T with EL-34 tubes and A-55T with KT-88 tubes.
EL-34 is 35 watts and KT-88 is 40 watts. Everything else is the same except for the tubes used. There is no better tube as they have their own characteristics and taste is very subjective. There are people who love EL-34 for its sweet sound but there are others who prefer KT-88 for its better bass. Its very personal so my suggestion is audition both tubes and let your ears decide.
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Sir what you meant is A-50T with EL-34 tubes and A-55T with KT-88 tubes.
EL-34 is 35 watts and KT-88 is 40 watts. Everything else is the same except for the tubes used. There is no better tube as they have their own characteristics and taste is very subjective. There are people who love EL-34 for its sweet sound but there are others who prefer KT-88 for its better bass. Its very personal so my suggestion is audition both tubes and let your ears decide.
pardon the ignorance... just starting with tubes. so chief this means that tube amplifiers wattage is determined by tubes used? another question... can KT-88 tubes fit amplifiers with EL-34 sockets? have not really explored changing tubes and many say diff tubes have diff sound. always believed though that when manufacturers chose the tubes for the specific amp built they are the ones that match with the whole scheme.
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Sir what you meant is A-50T with EL-34 tubes and A-55T with KT-88 tubes.
EL-34 is 35 watts and KT-88 is 40 watts. Everything else is the same except for the tubes used. There is no better tube as they have their own characteristics and taste is very subjective. There are people who love EL-34 for its sweet sound but there are others who prefer KT-88 for its better bass. Its very personal so my suggestion is audition both tubes and let your ears decide.
thank you... do you have the a55 in stock? can i put kt88 tubes in the a50t?
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can KT-88 tubes fit amplifiers with EL-34 sockets?
Sockets are the same, you can install kt88/kt90/6550 tubes in a "EL34 socket" but the circuits behind the socket are not the same. Which if done can damage the amp or the tubes. Some amplifiers from Cayin and others have switches that allows the user to switch between El34 and 6550 family of tubes
always believed though that when manufacturers chose the tubes for the specific amp built they are the ones that match with the whole scheme.
Yup, the tubes are chosen to match the tubes to a certain price point, kinda like cars, you can improve the performance by changing tires, spark plugs, etc...
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pardon the ignorance... just starting with tubes. so chief this means that tube amplifiers wattage is determined by tubes used? another question... can KT-88 tubes fit amplifiers with EL-34 sockets? have not really explored changing tubes and many say diff tubes have diff sound. always believed though that when manufacturers chose the tubes for the specific amp built they are the ones that match with the whole scheme.
The second question was already answered so ill answer the first.
amp power is a determinant of the tubes used as well as its design. It could be single ended = lower wattage or push pull = higher wattage. Class A lower wattage or Class AB higher wattage. But in general the bigger the tube the more power you can crank out of it... apples to apples. :)
ill look up some materials online and post it here.
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thank you... do you have the a55 in stock? can i put kt88 tubes in the a50t?
Before Cayin named the KT-88/6550 version A55T. This model was made for the EU market. Now its just known as A-50T with KT-88 tubes :) Both models are exactly the same except for one resistor inside and the tubes. Of course the KT-88T version is a bit more expensive because the tube is more expensive than its el34 counterpart :)
a50T comes in silver or black faceplate
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Get Mystere so you can have both KT88 and EL34 by just pushing a switch ! =)
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Get Mystere so you can have both KT88 and EL34 by just pushing a switch ! =)
EVIL PERSON hahaha ;D
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EVIL PERSON hahaha ;D
tulad ng sabi ng isang tao diyan..."gagastos ka lang kaka upgrade kung yang *toot tooooot* kunin mo!". ;D
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my Cayin oven toaster has a switch ;D
Get Mystere so you can have both KT88 and EL34 by just pushing a switch ! =)
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tulad ng sabi ng isang tao diyan..."gagastos ka lang kaka upgrade kung yang *toot tooooot* kunin mo!". ;D
oo nge e. kaso lang di na kinig si le stat. yan tuloy hahaha...
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updated....
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Just helping Cayin with a research question.
Would you buy an integrated tube amp with a built in phono-in?
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How much would the additional inputs cost if the base price is let say 50K ?
Does Cayin have a stand alone phone pre-amp ?
Just helping Cayin with a research question.
Would you buy an integrated tube amp with a built in phono-in?
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How much would the additional inputs cost if the base price is let say 50K ?
Does Cayin have a stand alone phone pre-amp ?
meron dedicated phonostage Cayin. www.cayin.de
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amp power is a determinant of the tubes used as well as its design. It could be single ended = lower wattage or push pull = higher wattage. Class A lower wattage or Class AB higher wattage. But in general the bigger the tube the more power you can crank out of it... apples to apples. :)
ill look up some materials online and post it here.
sir is the cayin a50 single ended or push-pull? what's the advantage or disadvantage to both in terms of sound?
in the specs of the a50, it has 2 power ratings, ultralinear and triode? whats the difference po?
thanks
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do you have a landline where we may call you to explain the details? mahabang usapan ito hehehe. Or you can call us at 395-5115
But for discussion sake anyone want to take a stab :) triode vs ultralinear :)
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do you have a landline where we may call you to explain the details? mahabang usapan ito hehehe. Or you can call us at 395-5115
But for discussion sake anyone want to take a stab :) triode vs ultralinear :)
;D ... will pass by na lang sir sa shop nyo. will look at the pre-amps you have ...
thanks ;D
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great! bring some of your favorite CDs and we can audition them over a cup of brewed coffee :)
Our store hours are 1030 am to 8 pm. Mon to sat. map is on our website www.audioamplified.com scroll down pls
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Cayin A-50 Review from Stereophile...
http://www.stereophile.com/integratedamps/308cay/
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does this mean that i could turn my A50T to A55 by simply changing the tubes to KT88??
Thanks!
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does this mean that i could turn my A50T to A55 by simply changing the tubes to KT88??
Thanks!
Annexus, your query was already discussed in the previous page. I hope this will answer your question :)
Before Cayin named the KT-88/6550 version A55T. This model was made for the EU market. Now its just known as A-50T with KT-88 tubes :) Both models are exactly the same except for one resistor inside and the tubes. Of course the KT-88T version is a bit more expensive because the tube is more expensive than its el34 counterpart :)
a50T comes in silver or black faceplate
Cheers
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so,can i replace them with the more expensive or is it dangerous for the safety and the proper function of the amplifier?
and a last question:the red light of the A50T is for "ultralinear"?
sorry about these questions but the manual is in chinese....
Annexus, your query was already discussed in the previous page. I hope this will answer your question :)
Cheers
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so,can i replace them with the more expensive or is it dangerous for the safety and the proper function of the amplifier?
and a last question:the red light of the A50T is for "ultralinear"?
sorry about these questions but the manual is in chinese....
Red - ultralinear
Orange - triode
Feel free to ask if you have any questions. Or feel free to drop by too. Did you get your A50T from us? I know our manuals are english... unless the factory made a mistake and inserted a chinese manual.
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I got lucky, I was able to acquire a mint pre owned Cayin A55T with mundorf caps from Fibac Audio Video shop at Makati Cinema Square. I am now selling my Cayin MT35 and some spare tubes, now displayed at Fibac. Pls. call 8565695 look for Jun. Very nice display of audio video equipment and friendly people to assist you. Highly recommended for audio/video philes.
Thanks,
09209609550
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Sir,
Ganda nyan sir, fully mundorfed :) Hope you're enjoying it now :) Feedback naman sir
Cheers
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I got lucky, I was able to acquire a mint pre owned Cayin A55T with mundorf caps from Fibac Audio Video shop at Makati Cinema Square. I am now selling my Cayin MT35 and some spare tubes, now displayed at Fibac. Pls. call 8565695 look for Jun. Very nice display of audio video equipment and friendly people to assist you. Highly recommended for audio/video philes.
Thanks,
09209609550
sir congrats. kindly pm me your serial number so we can update our warranty records. thanks
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Hi Audio Amplified, will get back to you for the serial number read ko maya sa box. Medyo nagenjoy ako kaya ngayon lang naka visit sa thread ng Cayin.
Just playing on my mind, I wish to learn how to check/adjust bias of my A55T, I noticed the bias adjustment ports on top of the unit. Can you share a weblink or a step by step instruction on how to do this and the needed equipment. Might upgrade power tubes in the future.
Thanks,
09209609550
Sulit na sulit...
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Sir buy an analog or digital tester bias value at 35mA
Cheers
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hi,
whats the price of HA-1A?
thanks
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hi,
whats the price of HA-1A?
thanks
SRP28K sir please call 395-5115, 637-0250
Cheers
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Hi,
hope you don't mind, is there a cheaper headphone amp/pre amp in your product line?
again, thank you
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We have a CD player with a headphone out :) very good value. We also have an amp MT-12 which also has a headphone out.
The HA-1A is a high-end headphone amp. Winner of many many awards and rated class A in stereophile. Please drop by our showroom to check out the other options.
But to answer your question, NO the HA-1A is the only pure headphone amp from Cayin.
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Mr. Noel D.
i went to the store this afternoon, your staffs were very helpful in letting me listen to some of the setups....
A
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Fareng Noel.... pasingit ng Commercial. ;D
For those wanting to upgrade your power tube, I am selling my Quad (4 pcs ) GOLD LION KT88 at 10k only. Almost perfect readings on my tube tester. Used for less than 15 hours. This is substitute for 6550. Better get it now. Standard price for this in the market is 16k locally.
Please see buy and sell thread for Audio for actual pictures.
0917 899 26 31
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hmmm... upgrading to 800MK? so fast hahaha
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hmmm... upgrading to 800MK? so fast hahaha
no plans for 800mk, takot kasi ako sa itsura ng tubes niyan. hehehe.
so far very happy ako sa 860's. swak na swak for my speaker and type of music. ;D
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if you guys like the vintage "wood" look we can bring them in for you guys. indent order. We will have a shipment soon so place your orders :)
Can you pm me the price of the vintage series cdp and integrated amp.
Thanks
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sorry sir. care to pm me the model for the vintage series you are interested in so that we can provide an accurate quote?
thanks for your interest in Cayin
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hi audioamplified !
just got a mint pre-owned a55t
& im now enjoying it ! :D
i just have a query w/c was already discussed in the
previous page but in the opposite.....
can my a55t accomodate if i replace my kt88 tubes with el34's?
is it just as easy as pop-out kt88... pop in el34's?
thanks in advanced!
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hi audioamplified !
just got a mint pre-owned a55t
& im now enjoying it ! :D
i just have a query w/c was already discussed in the
previous page but in the opposite.....
can my a55t accomodate if i replace my kt88 tubes with el34's?
is it just as easy as pop-out kt88... pop in el34's?
thanks in advanced!
NO! The A55t is wired for KT-88/6550 use hence it has a higher power rating than the A50t EL34 version. We need to replace a resistor to covert it to EL34 version. PLease bring it in if you want it converted to EL34.
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Can you pm me the price of the vintage series cdp and integrated amp.
Thanks
i believe these are the vintage series:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-10A.jpg)
Integrated Amplifier Cayin SP-1A: Rock on wood
There are lots of retro Hi-Fi components today. But this one is different. Instead of only copying the design of the 60ties and 70ties, the SP-10A also sounds like amplifiers used to sound at that time: rich, smooth and warm. Small wonder, it still uses the same basic technology with four 6L6 power valves in the output stage.
The press was impressed by that smart combination of traditional values and traditional craftsmanship. Renowned German reviewer Hannes Maier remarked in his testreport in “stereoplay 5/08”, that the whole construction is well designed from the gold plated inputs through the circuit layout to the solid copper speaker terminals.
A class of it’s own is the remote made of aluminium with fine wooden side panels. It not only controls the amplifier, but also the CD-Player SP-CD300
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-40M.jpg)
Power Amplifier Cayin SP-40M: Woodstock reloaded
This power amp matches the pre amplifier Cayin SP-30S from the concept and design. If you think you need more power or flexibility than our integrated amp can provide, you should have a close look at that one: it boosts 40 watts x 2, which is more than sufficient to drive most speakers. This power output is archived by a larger mains transformer and a combination of four KT88-EH, one 12AX7 and two 12AU7 valves. The whole design is simple, but straight: the 20-kilo component is available with different wooden cabinets accompanied by a heavy aluminium front. The sound reflects the classical appearance of the SP series and reminds of a time when valve components weren’t analytical at all.
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-CD300.jpg)
CD-Player Cayin SP-CD300: Wood’n Chips
This CD-Player blends the latest digital technology with a traditional valve output stage. Burr Brown manufactures the D/A converters of the type 1792 which are known for fine resolution. The famous German Hi-Fi reviewer Hannes Maier from “stereoplay” expressed his admiration about the sophisticated construction of the Cayin SP-CD300. It even has a kind of siren sound preventing children from playing around with the nice rocker switches.
The SP-CD300 matches the style of the integrated amplifier SP-10A and has balanced XLR-inputs for safe signal transmission. If you prefer the RCA connection, the transformers of the CD-Player will isolate the circuit against ground noise.
For controlling the whole SP Series with one remote, you can use the system controller – a piece of metal with wooden side panels that pleases the eye.
The sound of the SP-CD300 is really like you would expect it from a traditional valve component: It’s warm, rich and smooth like a good vintage vine.
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-30S.jpg)
Pre Amplifier Cayin SP-30S: Magic Tube
Besides using the integrated amplifier SP-10A that was praised by the press, you can build up a more flexible system with the separate pre amplifier Cayin SP-30S. So you keep all benefits of the traditional style in sound and design, but can drive more critical speakers with more power than the main amp Cayin SP-40M is capable. The pre amp can be controlled with the very attractive system remote made of aluminium and wood to reflect the design of the whole SP range. The sound is as classical as the retro look – a well-balanced reminiscence to the golden age of Hi-Fi.
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hi audioamplified !
just got a mint pre-owned a55t
& im now enjoying it ! :D
i just have a query w/c was already discussed in the
previous page but in the opposite.....
can my a55t accomodate if i replace my kt88 tubes with el34's?
is it just as easy as pop-out kt88... pop in el34's?
thanks in advanced!
pasyal ka na lang sa bahay kung type mo mag EL34 sound jim. i won't suggest you open the amp. ::)
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NO! The A55t is wired for KT-88/6550 use hence it has a higher power rating than the A50t EL34 version. We need to replace a resistor to covert it to EL34 version. PLease bring it in if you want it converted to EL34.
Thanks for the quick reply audioamplified !!!
yes jake!
wont dare open up my amp........
im quite happy with how my amp sings!
& besides, lapit lang naman ng haus nyo.........
hehehehehe.......
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matched po ba un mt35 sa wharf 9.5 ko?
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matched po ba un mt35 sa wharf 9.5 ko?
sir pls check your pm
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i believe these are the vintage series:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-10A.jpg)
Integrated Amplifier Cayin SP-1A: Rock on wood
There are lots of retro Hi-Fi components today. But this one is different. Instead of only copying the design of the 60ties and 70ties, the SP-10A also sounds like amplifiers used to sound at that time: rich, smooth and warm. Small wonder, it still uses the same basic technology with four 6L6 power valves in the output stage.
The press was impressed by that smart combination of traditional values and traditional craftsmanship. Renowned German reviewer Hannes Maier remarked in his testreport in “stereoplay 5/08”, that the whole construction is well designed from the gold plated inputs through the circuit layout to the solid copper speaker terminals.
A class of it’s own is the remote made of aluminium with fine wooden side panels. It not only controls the amplifier, but also the CD-Player SP-CD300
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-40M.jpg)
Power Amplifier Cayin SP-40M: Woodstock reloaded
This power amp matches the pre amplifier Cayin SP-30S from the concept and design. If you think you need more power or flexibility than our integrated amp can provide, you should have a close look at that one: it boosts 40 watts x 2, which is more than sufficient to drive most speakers. This power output is archived by a larger mains transformer and a combination of four KT88-EH, one 12AX7 and two 12AU7 valves. The whole design is simple, but straight: the 20-kilo component is available with different wooden cabinets accompanied by a heavy aluminium front. The sound reflects the classical appearance of the SP series and reminds of a time when valve components weren’t analytical at all.
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-CD300.jpg)
CD-Player Cayin SP-CD300: Wood’n Chips
This CD-Player blends the latest digital technology with a traditional valve output stage. Burr Brown manufactures the D/A converters of the type 1792 which are known for fine resolution. The famous German Hi-Fi reviewer Hannes Maier from “stereoplay” expressed his admiration about the sophisticated construction of the Cayin SP-CD300. It even has a kind of siren sound preventing children from playing around with the nice rocker switches.
The SP-CD300 matches the style of the integrated amplifier SP-10A and has balanced XLR-inputs for safe signal transmission. If you prefer the RCA connection, the transformers of the CD-Player will isolate the circuit against ground noise.
For controlling the whole SP Series with one remote, you can use the system controller – a piece of metal with wooden side panels that pleases the eye.
The sound of the SP-CD300 is really like you would expect it from a traditional valve component: It’s warm, rich and smooth like a good vintage vine.
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-30S.jpg)
Pre Amplifier Cayin SP-30S: Magic Tube
Besides using the integrated amplifier SP-10A that was praised by the press, you can build up a more flexible system with the separate pre amplifier Cayin SP-30S. So you keep all benefits of the traditional style in sound and design, but can drive more critical speakers with more power than the main amp Cayin SP-40M is capable. The pre amp can be controlled with the very attractive system remote made of aluminium and wood to reflect the design of the whole SP range. The sound is as classical as the retro look – a well-balanced reminiscence to the golden age of Hi-Fi.
We are waiting for the updated prices from Cayin for these models :) Will post it as soon as we have them. Note that these models are on indent basis only.
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Dear customers...
Our Cayin shipment has arrived. Those who have reserved units please call us so that we can arrange delivery of your orders.
Cayin Phono One is also available :) thats our new model for this shipment.
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Dear customers...
Our Cayin shipment has arrived. Those who have reserved units please call us so that we can arrange delivery of your orders.
Cayin Phono One is also available :) thats our new model for this shipment.
Kindly pm price of the Cayin Phono One
Regards,
JoeyGS
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Below is the tentative pricing from cayin. Will keep updating this thread for changes :)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-10A.jpg)
Integrated Amplifier Cayin SP-1A: Rock on wood
Tentative Price PHP70,000.00
There are lots of retro Hi-Fi components today. But this one is different. Instead of only copying the design of the 60ties and 70ties, the SP-10A also sounds like amplifiers used to sound at that time: rich, smooth and warm. Small wonder, it still uses the same basic technology with four 6L6 power valves in the output stage.
The press was impressed by that smart combination of traditional values and traditional craftsmanship. Renowned German reviewer Hannes Maier remarked in his testreport in “stereoplay 5/08”, that the whole construction is well designed from the gold plated inputs through the circuit layout to the solid copper speaker terminals.
A class of it’s own is the remote made of aluminium with fine wooden side panels. It not only controls the amplifier, but also the CD-Player SP-CD300
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-40M.jpg)
Power Amplifier Cayin SP-40M: Woodstock reloaded
Tentative Price PHP70,000.00
This power amp matches the pre amplifier Cayin SP-30S from the concept and design. If you think you need more power or flexibility than our integrated amp can provide, you should have a close look at that one: it boosts 40 watts x 2, which is more than sufficient to drive most speakers. This power output is archived by a larger mains transformer and a combination of four KT88-EH, one 12AX7 and two 12AU7 valves. The whole design is simple, but straight: the 20-kilo component is available with different wooden cabinets accompanied by a heavy aluminium front. The sound reflects the classical appearance of the SP series and reminds of a time when valve components weren’t analytical at all.
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-CD300.jpg)
CD-Player Cayin SP-CD300: Wood’n Chips
Tentative Price PHP70,000.00
This CD-Player blends the latest digital technology with a traditional valve output stage. Burr Brown manufactures the D/A converters of the type 1792 which are known for fine resolution. The famous German Hi-Fi reviewer Hannes Maier from “stereoplay” expressed his admiration about the sophisticated construction of the Cayin SP-CD300. It even has a kind of siren sound preventing children from playing around with the nice rocker switches.
The SP-CD300 matches the style of the integrated amplifier SP-10A and has balanced XLR-inputs for safe signal transmission. If you prefer the RCA connection, the transformers of the CD-Player will isolate the circuit against ground noise.
For controlling the whole SP Series with one remote, you can use the system controller – a piece of metal with wooden side panels that pleases the eye.
The sound of the SP-CD300 is really like you would expect it from a traditional valve component: It’s warm, rich and smooth like a good vintage vine.
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-30S.jpg)
Pre Amplifier Cayin SP-30S: Magic Tube
Tentative Price PHP70,000.00
Besides using the integrated amplifier SP-10A that was praised by the press, you can build up a more flexible system with the separate pre amplifier Cayin SP-30S. So you keep all benefits of the traditional style in sound and design, but can drive more critical speakers with more power than the main amp Cayin SP-40M is capable. The pre amp can be controlled with the very attractive system remote made of aluminium and wood to reflect the design of the whole SP range. The sound is as classical as the retro look – a well-balanced reminiscence to the golden age of Hi-Fi.
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Kindly pm price of the Cayin Phono One
Regards,
JoeyGS
Send you sms message sir
Cayin Phono-One almost sold out from a source at AA :) :) :)
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Send you sms message sir
Cayin Phono-One almost sold out from a source at AA :) :) :)
This is a good phono amp. One of my audio mate is currently using this. Too bad its out of my budget. Congrats on a great product.
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This is a good phono amp. One of my audio mate is currently using this. Too bad its out of my budget. Congrats on a great product.
Thanks sir... we always strive to bring in products that are good value for money :)
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Hi Sirs,
Sent you pm.
Thanks.
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Hi Sirs,
Sent you pm.
Thanks.
replied na sir. please check or pm me if you havent received my reply.
thanks
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replied na sir. please check or pm me if you havent received my reply.
thanks
Got it. Thanks. :)
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Now Playing at Audio Amplified
ROOM 1
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j142/audio_amplified/JUL1808-1-2-1.jpg)
Cayin A70T Integrated Amp 6550EH Tube 55watts/channel
Cayin CD100i Tube Cd Player
ERA Design 10 Speaker
Mundorf Interconnect
Mundorf Speaker Wire
Xindak XF-500 Line Conditioner
ROOM 2
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j142/audio_amplified/JUL1808-2.jpg)
Cayin 860 Monoblock Power Amp 6550EH Tube 70watts/channel
Cayin SC6LS Pre-Amp
Cayin CDT-17a Tube CD Player
Aurum Cantus V3F Speaker
Mundorf Interconnect
Mundorf Speaker Wire
Xindak XF-1000 Line Conditioner
Please drop by to audition this beauties. You can also call 395-5115 for sched ;D ;D
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Below is the tentative pricing from cayin. Will keep updating this thread for changes :)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-10A.jpg)
Integrated Amplifier Cayin SP-1A: Rock on wood
Tentative Price PHP70,000.00
There are lots of retro Hi-Fi components today. But this one is different. Instead of only copying the design of the 60ties and 70ties, the SP-10A also sounds like amplifiers used to sound at that time: rich, smooth and warm. Small wonder, it still uses the same basic technology with four 6L6 power valves in the output stage.
The press was impressed by that smart combination of traditional values and traditional craftsmanship. Renowned German reviewer Hannes Maier remarked in his testreport in “stereoplay 5/08”, that the whole construction is well designed from the gold plated inputs through the circuit layout to the solid copper speaker terminals.
A class of it’s own is the remote made of aluminium with fine wooden side panels. It not only controls the amplifier, but also the CD-Player SP-CD300
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-40M.jpg)
Power Amplifier Cayin SP-40M: Woodstock reloaded
Tentative Price PHP70,000.00
This power amp matches the pre amplifier Cayin SP-30S from the concept and design. If you think you need more power or flexibility than our integrated amp can provide, you should have a close look at that one: it boosts 40 watts x 2, which is more than sufficient to drive most speakers. This power output is archived by a larger mains transformer and a combination of four KT88-EH, one 12AX7 and two 12AU7 valves. The whole design is simple, but straight: the 20-kilo component is available with different wooden cabinets accompanied by a heavy aluminium front. The sound reflects the classical appearance of the SP series and reminds of a time when valve components weren’t analytical at all.
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-CD300.jpg)
CD-Player Cayin SP-CD300: Wood’n Chips
Tentative Price PHP70,000.00
This CD-Player blends the latest digital technology with a traditional valve output stage. Burr Brown manufactures the D/A converters of the type 1792 which are known for fine resolution. The famous German Hi-Fi reviewer Hannes Maier from “stereoplay” expressed his admiration about the sophisticated construction of the Cayin SP-CD300. It even has a kind of siren sound preventing children from playing around with the nice rocker switches.
The SP-CD300 matches the style of the integrated amplifier SP-10A and has balanced XLR-inputs for safe signal transmission. If you prefer the RCA connection, the transformers of the CD-Player will isolate the circuit against ground noise.
For controlling the whole SP Series with one remote, you can use the system controller – a piece of metal with wooden side panels that pleases the eye.
The sound of the SP-CD300 is really like you would expect it from a traditional valve component: It’s warm, rich and smooth like a good vintage vine.
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh140/jakedavid_2004/Cayin_SP-30S.jpg)
Pre Amplifier Cayin SP-30S: Magic Tube
Tentative Price PHP70,000.00
Besides using the integrated amplifier SP-10A that was praised by the press, you can build up a more flexible system with the separate pre amplifier Cayin SP-30S. So you keep all benefits of the traditional style in sound and design, but can drive more critical speakers with more power than the main amp Cayin SP-40M is capable. The pre amp can be controlled with the very attractive system remote made of aluminium and wood to reflect the design of the whole SP range. The sound is as classical as the retro look – a well-balanced reminiscence to the golden age of Hi-Fi.
Tyrone/Noel,
These stuff look very nice. Wow!
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havent seen them in person yet so... until we visit the HK audio fair its all just pictures hehehe
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I got a A-70T amp, I think it is auto-bias version as there is no switch to set bias. I want to replace the tube with telefunken EL34 quad. Can I put in any 4 unmatched EL34 quad? Will the amp auto tune the current for each tube?
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Yes the amp with auto calibrate the tubes. However try to make sure that the values are not very far apart (like 3 are very good and 1 is weak). You may bring your tubes to our showroom and we can test them for you FREE of charge just to be sure your system is optimized.
Actually... the auto bias version is the one with the toggle switch. Please pm adam warlock your serial number so that he can double check. If you plug in el34 on a 6550 version it might blow your tube.
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Do you mean the kt88/el34 switch? Yes, there are two switcheses on top of my A-70T. Currently I am using EH el34 tubes. So it should be okay to change to other el34 tubes?
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Better to test the tubes first before replacing the old ones. Is your tube NOS or Used? Please post or PM the serial number.
Cheers
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Do you mean the kt88/el34 switch? Yes, there are two switcheses on top of my A-70T. Currently I am using EH el34 tubes. So it should be okay to change to other el34 tubes?
pm us the serial number and we can double check for you. un matched is ok as long as values are not way apart. we can test tubes for you for free :)
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link to new Cayin products: Interview with Cayin manager Mr. MA
http://www.audionet.com.tw/index.php/2008-08-06-03-51-50/2008-08-06-03-57-53/291-2008-08-12-02-32-39.html
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Manager Ma is a very nice guy... friendly and accommodating even with small distributors like us. He actually visited the Philippine Hi-Fi show once (3 yrs ago). It was a good experience since it opened his eyes to the minute size of the Philippine audio industry at least compared to China; nevertheless Cayin is very supportive of the Philippines allowing us to get special models just like the 800MK and wiring all our products 220V 60Hz.
Very humble guy.
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link to new Cayin products: Interview with Cayin manager Mr. MA
http://www.audionet.com.tw/index.php/2008-08-06-03-51-50/2008-08-06-03-57-53/291-2008-08-12-02-32-39.html
care to share and english translation sir :)
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My Cayin A70T ;D
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff318/skinnercases/audio/IMG_1118.jpg)
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care to share and english translation sir :)
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://www.audionet.com.tw/index.php/2008-08-06-03-51-50/2008-08-06-03-57-53/291-2008-08-12-02-32-39.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.audionet.com.tw/index.php%26hl%3
warning .. i think it needs further translation..hehehe
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good job, mr.Qguy
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http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://www.audionet.com.tw/index.php/2008-08-06-03-51-50/2008-08-06-03-57-53/291-2008-08-12-02-32-39.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.audionet.com.tw/index.php%26hl%3
warning .. i think it needs further translation..hehehe
Thanks you sir.Medjo Nahilo ako dun lol
Cheers
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hehehe... well the key points are understandable naman.
1) Cayin is ISO certified and is the biggest hifi producer in China
2) Cayin supply 60+% of all hifi equipment in Japan of which 80% are designed by Cayin
3) Cayin took several years to learn to upgrade their standards to enter Japan market
what else... they have nice new products? Those in wood that we will bring in eventually hahaha
All in all its a very good article that gives us confidence and pride in distributing Cayin given that it dominates the Japan market which is one of the strictest and most stringent in the world.
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Wow :o :o Cayin set a standard in Chinese made Electronics, others should follow to be globally competitive :)
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except for the lipsync girl i think China has proven to the world its capability in both innovation and workmanship during the Olympics. The bird's nest stadium, water cube and the opening and closing ceremonies are the best ever in an Olympic... which even the British admitted they could not match.
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Dear Audio Amplified, I am a proud owner of a Cayin CDT 15A, tube CD player for over a year now. Lately, I have been experiencing a not so annoying disturbance from the player. When the player completed playing the CD, I will push the open button and replaced it with another CD then push the close button, then push the play button. A slow music with static sound (parang plaka na 33 rpm na play sa 45 track na may frying tone) for some seconds until it sounds on the right speed without static na, until matapos ulit. Just wondering what this means? Malapit na kayang masira yung CD player ko? Any suggestion on how to monitor this sort of symptoms?
Thanks,
09209609550
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I'm sorry sir but we cant diagnose your CDT-15a here. I you have time kindly bring it to our shop for analysis.
Our address: 2/F Unit 3 and 4 Madison Square Bldg., Libis QC. Across shopwise in between BPI and MBTC
Tel 395-5115 Telefax 637-0250
Cheers
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Ah OK, I just thought you might have had an experience like this na. I'm from Binan,Laguna, will just observe the unit and when it conks out dead, saka ko na lang dalhin dyan. I'm just trying to have a feel kung kailangan na bang irepair o pwede pa. Thanks sa reply (safe answer).
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finally... i found your thread sir Tyrone & sir Noel ;)
here is my humble share
pleasing experience with Cayin CDT-17a which i acquired less than a year ago brand new and "tweaked" at AudioAmplified Philippines... it beats an entry level turntable hands down... my other turntable w/ a lyra dorian MC hooked on a trichord research phono amp barely beats it in sonic quality... barely... oh, with LPs that were not manufactured well my Cayin 17a CD player played better than my analog source... that is, thru my ears and taste
hence, here i am crazy running after music CDs here & there... hahaha... believe me... my Cayin CDT-17a rocks !!!
OT: here are my latest find... super inexpensive discoveries that will join my most treasured digital collection... hard to find albums !!!... viola!!... grabbed me multiple copies to share to friends... hehehe
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb298/fermacarayomd/cd-_MG_0165ew.jpg)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb298/fermacarayomd/cd_MG_0145ew.jpg)
btw, sir Tyrone, sir Noel and their staff are very easy to deal with... very very kind and very approachable...
kindest regards,
fer
angeles city
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Ah OK, I just thought you might have had an experience like this na. I'm from Binan,Laguna, will just observe the unit and when it conks out dead, saka ko na lang dalhin dyan. I'm just trying to have a feel kung kailangan na bang irepair o pwede pa. Thanks sa reply (safe answer).
Sir, kindly bring the unit for service before it conks out. If there is a damage at least it will not worsen and and can find ways to fix it. However, this is the first time we read about such a problem. The normal problem that we see with the CDT15A is skipping which is attributed to either dirty lens or misaligned lens which we can easily fix. The CDT15A is a very reliable player. Our demo model is more than 4 yrs old and until now its still running like new. Noel is not giving a safe answer but he is giving the right answer since we need to see the patient before we can diagnose the ailment.
May we know if you got this unit from us or one of our dealers. If you can provide us the serial number we can help you track. Call us anytime at 395-5115 and we can discuss some more :) We are here to serve every Cayin unit we distributed. No worries on that
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finally... i found your thread sir Tyrone & sir Noel ;)
here is my humble share
pleasing experience with Cayin CDT-17a which i acquired less than a year ago brand new and "tweaked" at AudioAmplified Philippines... it beats an entry level turntable hands down... my other turntable w/ a lyra dorian MC hooked on a trichord research phono amp barely beats it in sonic quality... barely... oh, with LPs that were not manufactured well my Cayin 17a CD player played better than my analog source... that is, thru my ears and taste
hence, here i am crazy running after music CDs here & there... hahaha... believe me... my Cayin CDT-17a rocks !!!
OT: here are my latest find... super inexpensive discoveries that will join my most treasured digital collection... hard to find albums !!!... viola!!... grabbed me multiple copies to share to friends... hehehe
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb298/fermacarayomd/cd-_MG_0165ew.jpg)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb298/fermacarayomd/cd_MG_0145ew.jpg)
btw, sir Tyrone, sir Noel and their staff are very easy to deal with... very very kind and very approachable...
kindest regards,
fer
angeles city
Thanks for the kind words doc fer. The CDT17A is indeed a splendid player for the price. Very analogue sounding. The upgraded version is a beat that can rival player 5x its price.
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Hi
I am new here, so hello to everybody, its really great forum.
I have cayin a55t (fantastic amp) and after about 50 hours i checked bias with voltmeter. it is 480mV on all 4 output tubes. I then used another voltmeter to recheck and i still was 480.
In manual it says between 350-400!? So i biased to 400mV. Is that ok? when amp gets hot after playing music loud bias is slightly (10mV) higher. then it goes down.
I have stock tubes. When checking I have connected speakers and cd player, no signal playing and volume pot at lowest position. is that correct procedure?
Also i want to buy even better tubes: I am considering gold lion reissue kt88 and Tung-Sol 12ax7 reissue. (any other suggestions?)
For 12au7 I will choose between:
rca 5814a (50$) triple mica similar to JG-5814 tubes from GE
La Radiotechnique 12AU7 (40$) - like mullard
JAN-Philips 5814-A (18$)
I dont want to lose gain, or base extension, but i would like triode mids with UL slam! can someone who tried similar tubes recommend what to do?
Also, don want to much "hot" (warm) sound but neutral, maybe slightly warmer then with stock tubes.
Thanks
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sir kindly call us at 3955115 tomorrow and we will give you the full detail on how to bias. easier to give instructions via phone so that its interactive.
as for tube rolling. we strongly recommend that you upgrade the pre-amp and driver tubes first as those will give you the biggest improvement. Remember the pre amp is the brain of the system and improving it is critical. You can use the stock power tubes as they are quite good actually. After tube rolling the pre-amp we would reco upgrading the capacitors. Changing the power tubes isnt as critical.
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Dear sir
Thank You for really quick answer.
I will change pre and driver tubes first.
I am unable to call You tomorrow, maybe in a week or so. I live in East Europe (no Cayin distributor here, I got it via friend). Calling will propobly cost a fortune :) better to change tubes, but i would like to hear You one day.
Please, can you just tell me is default bias 480mV at stock tubes ok or should I put it at 350 or 400 as manual says. I dont want to destroy tubes or output transformers!
PS Do You have some online tube catalog? (and do you accept pre-paid orders by money order?)
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Sir usually if your bias is high you get more slams buy it shortens the lifr of your power tube. If you have a tester please lower the bias to 380mV by turning the bias knob counter clockwise. This will aslo prolong your tube life.
Cheers
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Dear sir
Thank You for really quick answer.
I will change pre and driver tubes first.
I am unable to call You tomorrow, maybe in a week or so. I live in East Europe (no Cayin distributor here, I got it via friend). Calling will propobly cost a fortune :) better to change tubes, but i would like to hear You one day.
Please, can you just tell me is default bias 480mV at stock tubes ok or should I put it at 350 or 400 as manual says. I dont want to destroy tubes or output transformers!
PS Do You have some online tube catalog? (and do you accept pre-paid orders by money order?)
sir... i think noel answered your question re bias.
unfortunately we dont normally do mail order since in case you have problems we can service our sales. sorry. :(
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Thanks.
Yes, I did change my bias to 380mV. But it was at 480mV at all 4 output cayin stock kt88 tubes when I got my amplifier, so that confuses me. Why is that high at default values??!
Thank You both very much, again.
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usually if your bias is high you get more slams
Some audio shop do this to impress the buyer, we dont practice this. That's why I told you to rebias the tubes
Cheers
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Thanks.
Yes, I did change my bias to 380mV. But it was at 480mV at all 4 output cayin stock kt88 tubes when I got my amplifier, so that confuses me. Why is that high at default values??!
Thank You both very much, again.
higher bias will give your amp more punch. Initially it sounds more impressive but that is not how the amp is designed. We still suggest you bias a bit lower than the specs so as to prolong your tubes. The amp will still sound good at that level. :)
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higher bias will give your amp more punch. Initially it sounds more impressive but that is not how the amp is designed. We still suggest you bias a bit lower than the specs so as to prolong your tubes. The amp will still sound good at that level. :)
hi AA!
is there a DIY guide for checking the bias of my a55t?
TIA!
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Hi XXX,
You A55t has a manual and i think at the last page you can find the instructions on how to bias your power tubes.
Hope this helps.
JoeyGS
hi AA!
is there a DIY guide for checking the bias of my a55t?
TIA!
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Hi XXX,
You A55t has a manual and i think at the last page you can find the instructions on how to bias your power tubes.
Hope this helps.
JoeyGS
hi neighbor!
thanks for the reply! :D
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hi neighbor!
thanks for the reply! :D
No problemo.....If you need a demo we can schedule it one time :)
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No problemo.....If you need a demo we can schedule it one time :)
wow!
sarap ng offer!
sabay na kami ni jake! :D
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No problemo.....If you need a demo we can schedule it one time :)
wow!
sarap ng offer!
sabay na kami ni jake! :D
hmmm...nakakatakot na offer...baka magl*w*y na naman tayo niyan!
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hmmm...nakakatakot na offer...baka magl*w*y na naman tayo niyan!
u-usi lang tayo... ahihihihi....
tsaka gusto ko paturo paano magcheck ng bias eh! ;D
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Sirs,
We can host a simple tube amp seminar if you guys like. You know... we can invite some friends and give some technical tips on types of tubes, how to bias, how to change caps. Heck we can even talk about simple acoustic solutions, placements and vinyl.
We are not experts per se but given that audio is our biz we have attended as much training and seminars on these topics and we are willing to share :)
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new CAYIN SP-CD 300 CD player
http://www.audionet.com.tw/index.php/2008-07-09-01-17-58/482-cayin-sp-cd300.html
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Thanks sir.
We will feature this CD player with matching amp and pre at the Nov audio fair :)
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Greetings to fellow music lovers from around the world. My name is Alan, I live in Canada and I think I may be a part of the Cayin community very shortly. That's where you come in. :)
I have an opportunity to purchase either a Cayin CD-50T for $600.00 CDN or a Cayin CD-15B for $500.00 CDN. Both units have been previously used.
GOOGLE is my friend and there is a fair amount of information on the CD-50T but precious little (that I was able to find) on the CD-15B. It seems that the dynamic range is greater on the CD-50T, 115dB compared to 102dB on the CD-15B. The CD-50T uses a Burr Brown PCM 1732 DAC but I am unable to determine what DAC is used in the CD-15B. Unable to discover if Phillips or SONY is used for the transport and I can only find the model of the laser (KSS-213Q) for the CD-50T. The CD-15B appears to have a headphone jack with a volume control. One other aspect which I find significant is the difference in weight: 7.8kg for the CD-50T and 12kg for the CD-15B. My first reaction would be that the CD-15B is perhaps a better build.
I would like to have more information as well as input on the differences between these two players. I will be using it in a Acoustat system comprising of the ONE+ONE Electrostatic Speakers powered by a Acoustat Trans Nova Twin 120 Amplifier and the original Acoustat MRP Preamp...both lovingly refurbished and upgraded by Roy A. Esposito of Sounds Like New in South Florida. Roy was part of the original design team at Acoustat....
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Allan,
We will try our best to answer your question since its about a model we never carried.
As for the difference of CD-50T and CDT-15B. Per our knowledge CDT-15B is solid state only (although i'm not 100% sure since that model is more than 5 yrs old and we carry only the CDT-15A version which comes with solid state and tube outputs). As for the CD-50T its only pure tube output. The transport used in the CD-50T is Sony (which per our experience is more reliable than the Philips transport of the CD-15B).
DAC... well you can upgrade the DAC if you want so there is no biggie on that but i think the CD-50T uses a more advance one than the 15-B.
Weight does not really amount to better in this case given that the CD-50T does not have a ss output hence the savings in weight and parts. If i were to choose i'd take the CD-50T. The CD-50T is positioned lower than the CDT-15 (Cayin's midline) which is now replaced by the CDT-23 and just recently by another CD player which we will launch next week :). However, the CDT-15 is an old model. Its transport for sure absorbed more wear and tear than the CD-50T and their sonic performance a wash.
Amazing how Cayin retains its resale value and durability huh :)
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AudioAmplified...thank you for confusing me even further than I already was! I didn't think that was possible. :) Just kidding...truth is I am very grateful for all the information you have provided. You have made me aware that I should perhaps take a little more time to familiarize myself with your full line of CD Players and choose according to my needs. One thing is certain...I do not want to be purchasing CD Players every couple of years. If you know what I mean.
Allow me to ask you for a brief assessment of the advantages/disadvantages of a Cayin 'hybrid' CD Player as opposed to a solid state model. Given all the information I have provided about my system...would you have a recommendation as to what model you feel would serve me well?
Thanks.
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No sweat.
Cayin CDT-15 players are pure tube players - yes the US distributor made a mistake when they said its hybrid. Advantages is ... well.. generally speaking since there are exceptions. Tube players due to the character of tubes will provide a warmer and more holographic soundstage compared to a solid state one of the same price range. There are some really good solid state players out there mind you so its really hard to make a firm judgement. When tube players were still very expensive (before the emergence of Chinese gears) people use to add on a buffer or DAC to warm out the sound from their source. With tubes basically you can forego of that practice.
I have a couple of clients with Acoustat speakers (they are HUGE) powered by Cayin amp and source and they sounded pretty pleasant to my ears. Cayin amps will match your speakers. However, i have never paired Cayin player with an Acoustat amp so i cant share my experience on that.
If you have the budget i suggest you go with the CDT17A model. Its regularly compared to $10,000 players.
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Bro, can you PM me the price of the Cayin MT-35 Integrated amp please.
Thanks
;D
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We have stopped bringing in the MT-35 since last year because it was no longer good value for money with the launching of the A-50T which has remote, more power and on the fly ultralinear /triode switch. We still however retained the MT-12
A-50T is priced at 42,000. We have an on going sale 20% off cash purchases until end of this week only.
Thanks!
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sir AudioAmplified,
what cayin amp model is this? how much this amp cost ?
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a165/weng2x/cayintubeamp2.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a165/weng2x/cayintubeamp.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a165/weng2x/cayintubeamp3.jpg)
my audiophile friend (who's in china) said that his dealer friend has this cayin amp on sale. according to the dealer this amp is specialy made for the japanese market and does not have a remote control. my friend did a home audition and hooked this amp to his harbeth. it sounded good daw. he is going to buy this amp for his bro, makisabay nalang me.
cheers,
weng
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Sir,
It looks like an MT-25 with metal face plate. Uses EL-34 and same tube configuration. Cayin has phased out MT-35 last year and replaced it with A50T since the A50T gives more power, ultralinear to triode switch and has a handy remote.
MT-35 used to be priced at 35,000 before discounts.
Please try to ask your friend to check if the amp being sold is 60Hz since i know China uses 50Hz so we have all our products calibrated at 60Hz to match Phil electricity so as to prevent the trannies from humming in the future. Another point is - this is most likely either a refurbished unit or a China model. Cayin does not allow any cross selling. Like we cannot order any Japanese version or even 110V products. If the unit is 220-230 volts definitely its not a Japanese model. Plus... i could not find that model on Cayin-Japan's site http://cayinlabo.com/products/cayin/index.html
What we have is the German versions which uses 230V but corrected to 60Hz for the Philippine market.
Finally - we cannot cover warranty for this model :) Just want to be honest since we are required to service only the serial numbers that are sold to us.
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yes, it uses EL34 tubes. actually, i don't like the looks of it. i prefer the A-50 aesthetic design. pass nalang me sa amp na to.
pls pm the discounted cash price of A-50 and A-55. include also the MT-35 just for price comparo.
thanks audioamp for the feedback.
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Dear sir
5751 instead of 12ax7?
Could it damage the amp? (cayin a55t)
I read this at tubestore.com:
For example, the common 12AX7 type has a gain factor of 100, while a 5751 (which is often used in place of a 12AX7) has a gain factor of 70. This means that if you plug a 5751 into a socket that expects a 12AX7, the pre-amp will have about 30% less gain. Not only will this make the amp quieter, but it can also alter the sound by making the power section work harder when you turn it up
I look at this forum and many people are using 5751 instead of 12ax7 and they are happy with it.
Or is it better not to use 5751 and use specified tubes:for example mullard new sensor reissue? Anyone tried both? Or to pay some serious money for nos 12ax7?
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Dear sir
5751 instead of 12ax7?
Could it damage the amp? (cayin a55t)
I look at this forum and many people are using 5751 instead of 12ax7 and they are happy with it.
Or is it better not to use 5751 and use specified tubes:for example mullard new sensor reissue? Anyone tried both? Or to pay some serious money for nos 12ax7?
hope these info could answer your questions. bro ;D
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/faq/joes-tubes.html
http://www.torresengineering.com/5751jan.html
cheers ;)
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hope these info could answer your questions. bro ;D
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/faq/joes-tubes.html
http://www.torresengineering.com/5751jan.html
cheers ;)
Nice read Nizmo :) very informative. IMHO 5751 are quieter than 12AX7 tube. If you can hunt a sylvania Black plate you hit the jackpot especially with triple mica spacer :) :)
Cheers
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The power amp will work the same way with the 5751 tube or the 12ax7 tube or any pre-amp for that matter given the same sound pressure level . Its the Pre-amp that will work harder since its output is smaller with the 5751 tube compared to the 12ax7
Dear sir
5751 instead of 12ax7?
Could it damage the amp? (cayin a55t)
I read this at tubestore.com:
This means that if you plug a 5751 into a socket that expects a 12AX7, the pre-amp will have about 30% less gain. Not only will this make the amp quieter, but it can also alter the sound by making the power section work harder when you turn it up
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Price increase notice...
Due to the higher fx and price increase imposed by Cayin; we will be implementing a 10% price increase on all Cayin products January 2009. As unfortunate as this is we our list prices are still 30-40% cheaper than the US prices and 50% cheaper than EU prices.
Please take advantage of our old stocks at lower prices while supplies lasts.
Thanks again for your support.
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Sir, pa pm po ng pricelist nyo. thanks
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Sir, pa pm po ng pricelist nyo. thanks
Cayin Integrated
A50T - 42K
A70T (el-34 tubes) - 72K
A70T (KT-88 tubes) - 80K
A100T (el-34 tubes) - 95K
A100T (6550 tubes) - 115K
SP 10A (6V6 tubes) - 72K
Cayin CD Player
CD-50T - 28K
CD-100i - 45K
CDT-17A - 75K
SP 300CD - 55K
Please pm if you are interested in separates :)
Check our website www.audioamplified.com for specs
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I just saw this link and it seems quite new as the PDF document was created and last modified on May 8th, 2008.
http://www.finallink.com.au/uploads/AVL%20Consumer%20Guide%202008%20-%20Review%20-%20Cayin%20CDT-17A.pdf (http://www.finallink.com.au/uploads/AVL%20Consumer%20Guide%202008%20-%20Review%20-%20Cayin%20CDT-17A.pdf)
Anyway, I just hope there is no redundant posts here.
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thanks sir for sharing. thats a new award for the CDT17A. Cayin as a whole is doing quite well in Aussie, US and EU.
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I just saw this link and it seems quite new as the PDF document was created and last modified on May 8th, 2008.
http://www.finallink.com.au/uploads/AVL%20Consumer%20Guide%202008%20-%20Review%20-%20Cayin%20CDT-17A.pdf (http://www.finallink.com.au/uploads/AVL%20Consumer%20Guide%202008%20-%20Review%20-%20Cayin%20CDT-17A.pdf)
Anyway, I just hope there is no redundant posts here.
WOW :o :o :o
Best Buy Award for 2008. Cayin CDT17a is indeed a very good CD player
Cheers
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Well, it looks like I'm the new kid on the block here, and am quite pleased to find fellow Cayin owners. Already, I have learned much from the forum. I own an older CD22 and love it, but it has one glitch, i.e., sometimes after turning it on, if it is touched, it produces a loud hiss. If you are careful, and remember to ground yourself first, then there is no hiss. Pretty weird huh?
On another related Cayin subject, I recently bought a used Cayin A70T(it hasnt arrived yet), but have found that there is more than one version of this intergrated. So, can I tell more from the serial number, or other markings as to whether it is 30watt class 'A' output, or the newer 50watt 'PP' output. Even the manuals online don't seeem to agree. And nobody ever mentions the biasing process needed for different output tubes. I'll know more when the amp arrives. thx in the meantime for your input....greg ;D
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Well, it looks like I'm the new kid on the block here, and am quite pleased to find fellow Cayin owners. Already, I have learned much from the forum. I own an older CD22 and love it, but it has one glitch, i.e., sometimes after turning it on, if it is touched, it produces a loud hiss. If you are careful, and remember to ground yourself first, then there is no hiss. Pretty weird huh?
On another related Cayin subject, I recently bought a used Cayin A70T(it hasnt arrived yet), but have found that there is more than one version of this intergrated. So, can I tell more from the serial number, or other markings as to whether it is 30watt class 'A' output, or the newer 50watt 'PP' output. Even the manuals online don't seeem to agree. And nobody ever mentions the biasing process needed for different output tubes. I'll know more when the amp arrives. thx in the meantime for your input....greg ;D
CD22? Is this the old solid state version that was sold only in canada? The versions that we carried were CDT-15A, replaced by CDT-23A then replaced by V-CD100i. We also have the CD-50T and CDT-17A plus the new SP-CD300. Sorry sir i am not familiar with that model. Either it is one of those old models prior to us bringing in Cayin 4 yrs ago or a local China version.
Send us the serial number of the A70t and we can verify if its the 30watt version or not. Generally the 30 watt version can carry both EL34 and KT88 so it has a toggle switch on its top plate.
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Thank you for the quick reply. The CD22 is an older version, but seemed to be the upgraded version of the CD17, according to the Google search that I did. It sports both tube and transistor outputs, and upgraded caps. I didn't read much further, so I don't know of any specific area that is was intended for. My unit is 220v, so it appears that it may be European.
I will wait for the integrated to arrive(so far, ups hasn't even acknowledged the unit ariving at the recieving dock, but the tracking number has been given). Anyway, I look forward to reading more about these great products. regards, Greg
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Well, there I go again, trusting my memory to remember model numbers correctly. The CD22 was an upgraded model of the CD15. It does sport a tube/transistor output/numerious high quality caps/silver signsl wire, and more. Still due to the 220v ac requirement, it may be produced for another country, and not readily available here. Interestingly enough, the article describes a possible reference to the problem that I have with the unit. It is that there is a relay that disconnects the digital circuit just before the analog audio circuit is engaged. This occurs after the reading of a disc, and just before the playing of that disc. If I get brave enough, I will take off the top cover and poke around a bit.................Greg
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I checked with Cayin and here are our findings.
CD-22 appears to be a local chinese version that is modified by or for a HK distributor HIT AUDIO (220v but in pretty sure its 50Hz not 60Hz). This model was released 2002-2003. Cayin has since prohibited any distributors from re-naming their products and selling as modified versions which will result to confusion over their export models. I presume you are not based here in the Philippines. Why not bring the unit to a Cayin distributor to have it check and cleaned. Cayin products are sturdy (yours is 6-7 years old already) but from time to time maintenance would be good to ensure optimum performance. Servicing it yourself isnt a good idea unless you know electronics and have the schematics on hand.
Happy New Year
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Your right, I'm not from the Philippines(even though my wife is, but that doesn't count, does it). I really am impressed with the quickness of your replies, so, thank you. I do have quite a bit of experience with electronics, but as you stated, a schematic would be invaluable here(as well as repair manual).
In the meantime, I will wrestle with ups about the arrival of the Cayin A 70T. When everything is said and done, I still feel that this worth it. More than likely, I will have additional observations after I have 'sat in' with the system for awhile.......
cheers, Greg
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Hi,
My friend has a Cayin A-88T (6550) which sounds beautiful on my system, so now I'm looking to purchase one too. But I'm a bit confused with the Cayin A-70T model. This seems quite similar but I could not find a good direct comparison between these two amps.
The A-70T can handle more tubes and is easier to bias from the top side, so is this A-70T now a newer model / improvement to the A-88T? Specs say A-70T can deliver a bit more power...
A-70T has a tube rectifier if I'm not mistaken? The A-88T uses a solid state rectifier?
Please advice.
(I also looked to the A-100T, but I think this will be a bit too much for me. Heat/power consumption wise...)
Thxs
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I have seen the A88T, and it is very attractive! It appears that you are right, since I see no mention of a rectifier tube in the tube compliment. The A70T, on the other hand is tube rectified. I wouldn't worry too much about a few watts difference in power output between the two amps. 5-10 watts will not mean anything as far as volume. Then you mention the fact that the 70T can accept a greater variety of output tubes. That would likely be the biggest reason for me to consider one model over the other. And the biasing from the top of the 70T would also intrest me as well. Where are the bias trim pots on the 88T? Coming full circle, I still have to say that the 88T looks 'better dressed' than the 70. Hope this helps a little.....one last thing, Cayin seems to offer a variety of products in every catagory, so it is harder to tell who came first.....Greg
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Happy New Year!!!
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Happy New Year!!!
Thanks sir... happy new year to you too :)
Do visit us if you have time. Kape at kwentuhan tayo with noel. We might have some new mundorf items too this 2009 :)
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Thanks sir... happy new year to you too :)
Do visit us if you have time. Kape at kwentuhan tayo with noel. We might have some new mundorf items too this 2009 :)
Sure sir would love that, pasyal ako minsan... :)
Thanks
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I have seen the A88T, and it is very attractive! It appears that you are right, since I see no mention of a rectifier tube in the tube compliment. The A70T, on the other hand is tube rectified. I wouldn't worry too much about a few watts difference in power output between the two amps. 5-10 watts will not mean anything as far as volume. Then you mention the fact that the 70T can accept a greater variety of output tubes. That would likely be the biggest reason for me to consider one model over the other. And the biasing from the top of the 70T would also intrest me as well. Where are the bias trim pots on the 88T? Coming full circle, I still have to say that the 88T looks 'better dressed' than the 70. Hope this helps a little.....one last thing, Cayin seems to offer a variety of products in every catagory, so it is harder to tell who came first.....Greg
Still wondering about this...
Read here in this thread somewhere that the A-70T is/was the "predesessor" of the A-88T? Strange then that I only now see the A-70T model on the market while the A-88T had already (good) reviews some years ago. ??? (And the A-88T is still priced higher then the A-70T...)
That few extra watts don't bother me. I just want to know is there is a sound/performance difference.
(And I just found out that there is/was also the Cayin Ti88 amp and now a newer model VP100i, based on this model. Getting confused here...)
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I'll go out on a limb here and guess that the 88T is the better of the two amps. (88T-70T). My only reasoning is that Cayin seems to be a fair company, and if they charge more for a product, there must be a difference. In this case, it may be even more attractive cosmetics than the 70T. As far as the tube compliment, that may be the clincher as to whether one or the other amp is better for you. What I mean is that one set of tubes may be a better match to your speakers. This would take a little research, but would be well worth it. Not to mention your own preferences as to the sound of each amp.
I must admit that Cayin makes too many models for me to make sense of it all. Even the cd player that I have, the CD22, is one that was not widely known, and only sold in China. And when I started to research the A70T, I found more than one A70T, yet different specs. for each?? Now it seems that I have a couple more to look at. Let me know what you decide.
cheers, Greg
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Sirs,
The A-88 is more expensive because its face plate and polished stainless body is more expensive to make... plus Cayin being a for profit company also wanted to make a lil more our of the A-88T's popularity. However, if it comes to performance the A-70 (which supposedly was scheduled to replace the 6 yr old A-88T in 2007) is heaps better than the A-88t. Why... the A-70t has bigger trannies, it is tube rectified and for the same tubes it generates more power. This year the A-88t will finally be discontinued according to some distributors. The aussie distributor has already announced this in their website.
We have both models in stock for a while and had a hard time selling the A-88t :) Yes, the A-70t is cheaper but its better... thats good for us.
For the product line... yes Cayin is stream lining.
A-50 series with CD-50T will form their entry level integrated
A-70 (V100i) with their VCD will form their mid line integrated
A-100 with the CD-17 will form the top line integrated
SP series will be their sexy sexy wood vintage series
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Ok,
Now I'm getting somewhere, but still confused then with a previous description you wrote:
The Cayin A-70T is the predecessor to the well reviewed A-88T. As an improvement, the A-70T uses bigger transformers (actually the biggest in Cayin's integrated line-up) as well as tube rectification. The end result is more power (55 watts per channel) and better dynamics throughout. It comes in either EL34s, 6CA7, KT-88 or 6550 versions.
Predecessor is then not correct here; the A-70T is the SUCCESSOR of the well reviewed A-88T, because A-70T has bigger trannies + tube rectification.
That should make sense then, correct??
Thxs
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Ok,
Now I'm getting somewhere, but still confused then with a previous description you wrote:
The Cayin A-70T is the predecessor to the well reviewed A-88T. As an improvement, the A-70T uses bigger transformers (actually the biggest in Cayin's integrated line-up) as well as tube rectification. The end result is more power (55 watts per channel) and better dynamics throughout. It comes in either EL34s, 6CA7, KT-88 or 6550 versions.
Predecessor is then not correct here; the A-70T is the SUCCESSOR of the well reviewed A-88T, because A-70T has bigger trannies + tube rectification.
That should make sense then, correct??
Hahaha Successor :) sorry typing too fast. The A70 will replace the A88 for some countries. Other countries will use the V100i as replacement. We like the A70 better since it uses peanut tubes in its pre amp section which is cheaper to tube roll.
A70 has two version. One uses EL34 or 6CA7 and another uses 6550 and KT88. It used to come with a Class A 28 watt version too which we sold a few units before deciding to just carry the higher powered version solely.
Thanks for the correction sir.
Thxs
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OK, an A-70T it will be then. 8)
Any recommendation on the tubes?
(Probably will go for a K88 model version, so I can compare tubes with my friends 6550's...)
Thxs
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See what I mean? These guys are really on their game here! Not only fast replies, but knowledgable replies as well. This is the kind of service that is always hard to find, but well worth it when you do.
I didnt realize that A70T was the champ between the two 70T/88T, so I guess it was just dumb luck that I bought the 70T. It still hasn't arrived yet, but I am more anxious than ever.
regards, Greg
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Got an A-70T myself (its the 30 watt version) and been a happy camper eversince !!!
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OK, an A-70T it will be then. 8)
Any recommendation on the tubes?
(Probably will go for a K88 model version, so I can compare tubes with my friends 6550's...)
Thxs
Audition both the el34 and kt88 version ans choose based on which your ear prefers. There is no better tube between the two. Just a tube that is better for the type of music you listen.
Audition is key. enjoy...
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OK, an A-70T it will be then. 8)
Any recommendation on the tubes?
(Probably will go for a K88 model version, so I can compare tubes with my friends 6550's...)
Thxs
It really depend on your listening bias or preference. Basic character of the 3 tubes: EL34 warm sound, very nice mids, 6550 Dynamic sound, leaning on SS sonics, warm mids and kt88 is crossed between the 2 tubes. As Tyrone mentioned, its your ears that will decide. :) :) :)
Cheers
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Hi,
Regarding the a70t,
Is the model difference just which tubes it ships with, or can you use KT88, 6550, EL34, 6CA7 by just re-biasing?
Thanks.
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On another related Cayin subject, I recently bought a used Cayin A70T(it hasnt arrived yet), but have found that there is more than one version of this intergrated. So, can I tell more from the serial number, or other markings as to whether it is 30watt class 'A' output, or the newer 50watt 'PP' output. Even the manuals online don't seeem to agree. And nobody ever mentions the biasing process needed for different output tubes. I'll know more when the amp arrives. thx in the meantime for your input....greg ;D
First of all, they are both PP. One is class A the other is class AB1 (the more powerful one). I recently got a used one and it is a bogus mess as far as I can tell. I found that out after I took it to a friend who has 35 years experience building everything from SET amps to AM radio transmitters (tube) and the corresponding power supplies. He wanted to see how it bench tested, even before we listened to it.
Here is what we found. The frequency response is excellent 10Hz to 60kHz, and the build quality is very good. But that is the end of it. My manual says that mine is Class A2 at 30W. But there was no grid current source, so it could not have operated in class A2. More likely the 30W version operates in Class A1. The bias circuit was so bad that there was massive (5% - 10%) crossover distortion at 10W output. The values of the "auto bias" circuit resistors were way off. Looks like someone grabbed the wrong resistors out of the parts bin.
The power supply was incredibly strange. It looks like the rectifier tube was just standing in the socket for show. At the base of the socket were 4 solid state diodes that function as a bridge rectifier. These were doing the rectification. The choke input filter was completely bypassed. That is, the power supply only looks like it is tube rectified. The tube seems to be doing nothing.
So we were speculating that the 30W version was originally class A and probably tube rectified. But the 5AR4 is marginal in this situation, according to my friend. Most kt88 amps uses two of these tubes for the rectification. So they may have had problems with the power supply and hence went to SS rectification. But, since the amps were in production, they couldn't very well remove the tube socket and close the hole. So they just left the tube in the amp, but went to SS rectification. Or more likely, when they decided to make the 55W version, the decided to go to SS rectification. So it appears that either the power supply was originally tube rectified and that either reliability or the evolution to the AB1 version necessitated going to SS because the single 5AR4 couldn't handle it. In either case, the situation sucks.
I have no explanation for the bad biasing circuit in my sample.
So here is what we are thinking about doing...
Bias the amp Class A using a cathode bias as opposed to the so-called auto-bias. Revert the power supply to tube rectification using either a GZ37 or a 5V3 which can provide 350 mA into a choke, as opposed to the 250mA that the single 5AR4 is capable of (provided that the power supply trannies have a suitable tap).
If you don't believe this situation, you can find a photo of the circuit somewhere on the web (don't have the link at the moment) which shows the diodes strapped across the base of the rectifier tube. The photo is pretty high res so you can zoom in and see what is going on.
All of that being said, I think that it probably sounds great in either version assuming that there is no mistake in the bias circuit (which I must assume is what happened to mine). I would be interested to know if the 30W versions actually used the rectifier tube. If so, I can sort of forgive the presence of the tube in the 55W version since there was a pragmatic evolution. If not, then shame on the company for the deception.
Bear in mind that I am no electronics expert; so take these comment with a grain of salt. However my friend who is highly skilled, was very puzzled with these finding, to say the least. In any case, he is going to straighten out the amp. Given that the output trannies are very good, and the circuit is basically simple, it has the potential to sound very good. Hence the effort to get it right. My amp is a little over two years old. Maybe it was built during the transition to the 55W version and mine got a little screwed up - neither fish nor fowl so to speak.
If any one else has an explanation for the 4 diode rectifiers strapped at the base of the rectifier tube to function as a bridge rectifier, I would sure be interested in hearing it. And if I have mis-stated anything technically, please correct me. I do not want spread bad information, or to induce audiophile angst in anyone, because that is rampant enough. But, this is quite a mystery to us. And it all started with noticing the huge crossover distortion.
Interestingly enough, the guy who sold it to me had it for two years and enjoyed it. And I though it sounded pretty good as well - albeit kind of hard a moderate volumes. He also swore to me that a Mullard 5AR4 was the only way to go. I even though I heard diference in the rectifier tubes that I tried. We audiophiles are sure capable of fair amount of self-delusion.
If anyone can shed some light on this, it would be interesting. And I don't mind being told that me and my friend are full of s***, provided there is some kind of accompanying explanation. You dealers - got anything to say about that power supply issue? And why is it not possible to get Cayin circuit diagrams? I also have a Yaqin MC100B, and the diagrams are readily available and ACCURATE. (The Yaqin is dirt cheap by comparison - output trannies don't seem to be as good though). Why won't Cayin release those diagrams. There is NOTHING proprietary going on and it would be a great help in trying to decide what to do with the amp.
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Here is the link to a jpeg showing the diodes at the base of the rectifier socket. It is on the website of one of the contributers (dealers) to this thread.
http://www.audioamplified.com/Cayin/Images/Amplifier/A-70T/A70T_inside.jpg (http://www.audioamplified.com/Cayin/Images/Amplifier/A-70T/A70T_inside.jpg)
So it is not just my amp...
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Mine has the same 4 pieces of diode, not a electronics buff so would not know if its supposed to be there or not, but tube or SS rectified, its the over all packeage thats important.
Maybe its a hybrid power supply ;D
Photos of my nude Cayin sent...
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Sir ptubeh,
Thanks for your inputs. We have sent your comments to Cayin so as to get their side of the coin. Given that it is their Chinese new year break it should take a couple of weeks for them to reply. I myself am not an electronic expert so I could not comment on your very technical literature.
We have the diagram of all Cayin products that we carry so that our technician can service then. However, we cannot post them online to protect the design patents of Cayin per our distribution contract. Feel free to visit us anytime if you wish to take a look at the diagram and we can also discuss in more detail Cayin's designs.
By the way... I see that you joined Pdvd two week ago and this is your First post at pinoydvd :) Welcome to the community. Pdvd will surely learn a lot from your technical knowledge. Cheers.
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Sir ptubeh,
Thanks for your inputs. We have sent your comments to Cayin so as to get their side of the coin. Given that it is their Chinese new year break it should take a couple of weeks for them to reply. I myself am not an electronic expert so I could not comment on your very technical literature.
We have the diagram of all Cayin products that we carry so that our technician can service then. However, we cannot post them online to protect the design patents of Cayin per our distribution contract. Feel free to visit us anytime if you wish to take a look at the diagram and we can also discuss in more detail Cayin's designs.
By the way... I see that you joined Pdvd two week ago and this is your First post at pinoydvd :) Welcome to the community. Pdvd will surely learn a lot from your technical knowledge. Cheers.
Hi,
Thanks for the response. Yes, I started looking at Chinese tube amps a few months ago when I had some problems with my Audio Innovations Series 700. (I subsequently got a Border Patrol power supply and fixed it up). I got a Yaqin to try out because it was cheap. It is an honest piece of gear that sounds pretty good, but uses too much feedback. We lowered the feedback as well as tweaked it for better high frequency extension, and in its current state it is VERY enjoyable to listen to.
Since that was successful, I decided to try a more highly regarded product and choose the Cayin. That is when I discover this thread.
As a follow up, my friend finished fixing up the amp this evening and gave me a call. He said that it sounds extremely good. For the power supply rectification he actually implement the hybrid solution by using two of the diodes and a GZ37 (beefier 5AR4) tube. We weren't sure what the original bias was supposed to be. We were just sure that it was wrong. So he implemented class A1 biasing and said that it produces 25W in this mode. That the result sounds excellent does not surprise me too much because I thought (or perhaps hoped) that the output trannies would be good.
In any case, it was a very positive result.
We still don't understand what the choke was doing. We also noticed that there is no center tap on the secondary of the output transformer, so according to my friend, the only way to use the tube is in a "hybrid" manner, with two of the other diodes. The experiment that would tell the story is to take the rectifier tube out of an unmodified amp and see if the amp still works. If the amp still works then the amp is fully rectified with diodes, and the tube is not doing anything. If it doesn't work, then there is some sort of hybrid arrangement going on that we don't understand.
Unfortunately I will be traveling for the next week, so I won't hear the results of his work for a while. But, after being initially cynical, he was very enthusiastic when he called to report the results of the biasing fix. That was the primary problem. The power supply design is more a puzzle than a problem, and perhaps a mark against the Cayin brand if we discover that the rectifier tube is just cosmetic. It will be interesting to see what the manufacture has to say about it. Once again, I grant that we may have not correctly interpreted what was going on with the power supply. However, there was no question that the biasing circuit had problems.
Once again, thank for the response. I don't have any particular axe to grind here. I would just like to understand what is going on.
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Well guys, I just couldn't help myself, and removed the rectifier tube after turning on my Cayin A70T. Guess what? The amp seems to run fine....Now I will also give the manufacturer a chance for response, and will be very curious about their reply. As coincidence happened, I had to break in to my amp to repair a faulty power connection, and when I was in there, I noticed only TWO diodes under the rectifier tube. I too, was puzzled by this, but buttoned the amp back up and enjoyed the music. I did not look so carefully at the choke and other issues mentioned, so I am not much help that way......cheers, Greg
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No problem sir. I am not saying that you have an axe to grind nor did i even imply that. Your inputs in the further knowledge and improvement of any product for that matter is welcome specially in an open forum such as this.
We will wait for Cayin to reply our email so that we can provide you a good answer to your concerns. Cayin being one of the largest tube and OEM producer does owe all of us an answer to your concerns. We will focus our queries on the 30W class A version which seems to be the version of interest here. We will have to secure one unit of this version too so that we can explore it more closely since we only brought in a handful of the 30W version and had since shifted to the 55W version.
While awaiting the answer lets all set aside the technicalities for a while and enjoy the music :)
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Here is the link to a jpeg showing the diodes at the base of the rectifier socket. It is on the website of one of the contributers (dealers) to this thread.
http://www.audioamplified.com/Cayin/Images/Amplifier/A-70T/A70T_inside.jpg (http://www.audioamplified.com/Cayin/Images/Amplifier/A-70T/A70T_inside.jpg)
So it is not just my amp...
is it 4 or 2 diodes?
i can only see 2 diodes under the tube rectifier and judging by their size scale to the socket are 3 amp diodes... from what I am seeing from that pic, those 2 diodes form the negative part of the bridge rectifier while the positive part is formed by the 5AR4. that way you still enjoy the 5AR4's slow start/ramp voltage during cold power start ups and more importantly, the tube rectifier isn't there just for show and is actually wired "in-circuit". ;D
a schematic or a more high resolution picture would truly be helpful in explaining the existence/purpose of the ss diodes.
btw, is that a motorized volume control? that may explain the use of ss psu too... :)
like AA said, let's enjoy the music! :)
cheers
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Yes, lets do enjoy the music. But the previous poster's experiment proves my friends hypothesis. The rectifier tube is bogus. So for all of you that are experimenting with expensive Mullard rectifier tubes, you can quit, because like me you are deluding yourselves. The only thing that tube is doing in the circuit is glowing. My friend took advantage of the socket and implemented a hybrid power supply, which in theory should be better at handling power surges and transients.
Any it WILL be interesting to hear what Cayin has to say about this!
Enjoy your amp and the music that it produces. The power supply has little to do with the ultimate sonic result. If your amp is properly biased, according to my friend it should sound great.
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Last post on this for awhile...
There are 4 diodes. The other two are beneath the large ones that you see in the picture. The are much smaller - and we don't understand the asymetry.(sp?) And your suggestion about the positive and negative parts being handled by the diodes and the tube is exactly what my friend implemented for me.
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As always, One amp will sound different than another, and even better, regardless of preference. The music is a matter of taste as well, regardless of how well it is written or performed. But the topic here is one of perception of a product based on appearance(glowing rectifier tubes must mean tube rectified,right?). And that's the rub. Now to hear the designers' theory/response to the quandry may be all we need to be satisfied. But in light of all this, I must admit, it will be a whole new theory when you can run an amp w/o the rectifier tube in place at all! I wouldn't advise it in case there is a sort of paralell ??? operation going on. Maybe the tube rectifier is only really neccesary in the ultralinear mode, where as the triode mode doesn't require as much current draw. Just guessing on my part, so until I know the truth, I'll refrain from judgement......Greg
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Sir,
As we have mentioned before, we have already emailed Cayin your question and they should reply in a week or so after they return from their Chinese New Year break (which is like 2 weeks in China). Rest assured that we will try our best to answer your concerns.
Should you have time, we would also like to invite you and your friend to our showroom together with tube master JojoD. Perhaps Cayin's design might be further improved by your friends modifications which we are very curious to learn for our own personal knowledge. We might even be able to arrange a telecon for you with Cayin's engineers so that you may dialogue with them directly. As for releasing the diagrams, I am sorry we cannot do it given that these are patented by Cayin - although we are more than happy to show them to you without releasing any copies. Designs are proprietary and I doubt if we can find any diagrams of VTL, Jadis or BAT just off the net for that matter.
Perhaps let us wait a little, and enjoy the music a little. In fairness to Cayin, they are part-owned by China Aeronautics and a German partner Cayin and have produced some award winning products that are quite popular in countries with the most stringent quality controls such as Japan, Germany and the US. Likewise, Cayin OEM for so many popular brands that I cannot mention here due to confidentiality (but im sure we all know a few of these brand) and is highly respected in the audio industry. As such judging them so harshly with words such as deceitful, bogus and "sucks" without giving their engineers a chance to explain their design might be a little but too unfair at this point. Technically, we have some idea on the layout of this amp but we will reserve the comments for the Cayin designers.
If you are truly unhappy with the A70 sample you have. You can also pm us the serial and we can check if it came from us. If it is we would be willing to buy it back and perhaps you can have your friend design and DIY you an amp that is true to the specs that you want. After all audio is very subjective and as a Mundorf parts distributor we do know a lot of people who are into DIY and have made some pretty outstanding amps. Sorry - i am trying to be very neutral here. After all we are the distributor and I admit that I am biased towards our product - its human nature.
You may ring me or Noel at 395-5115 or 0917-536-0499 so that we can try to understand any issues you may need us to clarify with Cayin :)
Sir 4krow - sorry cant help you much with your amp given that you are not here in the Philippines. Do pm me the serial number and I can help you check which version you have. Seems that both of you have the class a with autobias version which we stopped carrying for 2 years already and dont have any sample on hand.
Thanks all... and have a nice weekend.
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a schematic or a more high resolution picture would truly be helpful in explaining the existence/purpose of the ss diodes.
Photos sent via email...
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Photos sent via email...
Thanks for the pics.
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is it 4 or 2 diodes?
i can only see 2 diodes under the tube rectifier and judging by their size scale to the socket are 3 amp diodes... from what I am seeing from that pic, those 2 diodes form the negative part of the bridge rectifier while the positive part is formed by the 5AR4. that way you still enjoy the 5AR4's slow start/ramp voltage during cold power start ups and more importantly, the tube rectifier isn't there just for show and is actually wired "in-circuit". ;D
a schematic or a more high resolution picture would truly be helpful in explaining the existence/purpose of the ss diodes.
btw, is that a motorized volume control? that may explain the use of ss psu too... :)
like AA said, let's enjoy the music! :)
cheers
I magnified the pix and it shows two diodes, if it is two diodes, JojoD is right, it is a "graetz" bridge (did I spell it right?). This arrangement is used to derived B+ using tube rectifier from secondaries with no center tap, the two diodes takes care of the negative connection to ground and the 5ar4 takes care of the other two "diodes" which makes the rectification a bridge rectifier. This kind of bridge rectification retains the "sound" of the tube rectifier in spite of using two SS diodes.
Can somebody please post closeup picture of the 5ar4 tube socket on the A70? Thanks.
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The frequency response is excellent 10Hz to 60kHz, and the build quality is very good.
hi, may i ask at what power level this was taken? if at full power before onset of clipping, then i would say his output transformer is top notch....
can you encourage your friend to post here? .... so we can have a very enlightening discussions.... ;D
Here is what we found. The frequency response is excellent 10Hz to 60kHz, and the build quality is very good. But that is the end of it. My manual says that mine is Class A2 at 30W. But there was no grid current source, so it could not have operated in class A2. More likely the 30W version operates in Class A1. The bias circuit was so bad that there was massive (5% - 10%) crossover distortion at 10W output. The values of the "auto bias" circuit resistors were way off. Looks like someone grabbed the wrong resistors out of the parts bin.
this got me thinking, a class A amp should have no cross-over distortion, since tubes are conducting all the time, unlike in class AB where one tube cuts-off(well not really off, tubes are really hard to cut-off) wht gives here?
even class AB will have some class A operation on the first few watts, then will transition to AB, this is true for tubes and Solid state amps.
class A2 implies positive grid bias on signal peaks, capacitor coupling simply will not do here, there will be blocking distortions big time...at least a cathode follower directly coupled to the output grids is the thing to look out for.
would be interesting to find out how they measure up..... ;D
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sir tony singit lng ako ha.. hehehe ;D good pm! ask ko lng ha, pwd ko bang i parallel ang dalawang TRAFFO? example 39 0 39 20 amps... safe ba?
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I magnified the pix and it shows two diodes, if it is two diodes, JojoD is right, it is a "graetz" bridge (did I spell it right?). This arrangement is used to derived B+ using tube rectifier from secondaries with no center tap, the two diodes takes care of the negative connection to ground and the 5ar4 takes care of the other two "diodes" which makes the rectification a bridge rectifier. This kind of bridge rectification retains the "sound" of the tube rectifier in spite of using two SS diodes.
Can somebody please post closeup picture of the 5ar4 tube socket on the A70? Thanks.
After studying the pics qguy sent me, it seems that there are two (2) solid state 1A fast recovery diodes below the two (2) solid state 3A fast recovery diodes. The 1A FR diodes are in parallel with the 5AR4 which forms the upper part of the bridge (you're right it's Graetz) while the 3A FR diodes form the lower part of the bridge. All four diodes are neatly soldered under the 5AR4 rectifier tube socket and should be visible from the top when the 5AR4 is removed from it's socket.
We all know that for silicon diodes, the typical forward bias voltage drop is 0.7 volts, nominal knee, still, much lower than that of any tube rectifier. We also know that the ability of a diode to withstand reverse-bias voltages is limited, as it is for any insulator. If the applied reverse-bias voltage becomes too great, the diode will experience a condition known as junction breakdown (or simply breakdown), which is usually destructive. Not second guessing, but this could be why Cayin insisted in retaining the tube rectifier and act as a "shock absorber" during reverse bias conditions.
Somebody correct me please, my silicon theories are a bit rusty...
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jojo, with all four SS rectifiers in there the tube serves only one purpose, "showmanship" ;D you can pull it out anytime and no one will ever notice...current flows in the path of least resistance, this is OHM's law, no one can break it, it is as simple as it can get.....that tube serves no electronic function except to waste power on its filament, you are better off without it.... ;)
to all,
missrepresention happens when amps are advertised at 30 watts can only manage 25, that's a no-no......it is a pity there is no such law here in the Philippines to make this illegal, at least that i know of....perhaps lawyer members here can shed some light.
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Not second guessing, but this could be why Cayin insisted in retaining the tube rectifier and act as a "shock absorber" during reverse bias conditions.
then use ss diodes with higher piv ratings, i am sure the designer is aware of this.....
say the b+ is 450, then the secondary of the power traffo will have about 320volts rms, for this you will need at least 600v ss diodes higher will be better...... ;D
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eto na ang pics
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff318/skinnercases/IMG_3918.jpg)
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jojo, with all four SS rectifiers in there the tube serves only one purpose, "showmanship" ;D you can pull it out anytime and no one will ever notice
Does this mean I can change it to a large sexy bottle ST GZ37 ? hehehe
I was hoping to find an ST bottle 5ar4, but wala pala... this may be the solution
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jojo, with all four SS rectifiers in there the tube serves only one purpose, "showmanship" ;D you can pull it out anytime and no one will ever notice...current flows in the path of least resistance, this is OHM's law, no one can break it, it is as simple as it can get.....that tube serves no electronic function except to waste power on its filament, you are better off without it.... ;)
to all,
missrepresention happens when amps are advertised at 30 watts can only manage 25, that's a no-no......it is a pity there is no such law here in the Philippines to make this illegal, at least that i know of....perhaps lawyer members here can shed some light.
current flows in the path of least resistance, that's exactly the sentence that I was looking for... thanks ;D
then use ss diodes with higher piv ratings, i am sure the designer is aware of this.....
say the b+ is 450, then the secondary of the power traffo will have about 320volts rms, for this you will need at least 600v ss diodes higher will be better...... ;D
what's bothering me all night is why use 1A for the upper section of the bridge (the ones in parallel with the plate and cathode of the 5ar4) and then 3A for the lower section of the bridge... (as seen in qguy's posted pic)...
both 3A and 1A fast recovery diodes are rated 1KV, enough headroom already... ;)
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what's bothering me all night is why use 1A for the upper section of the bridge (the ones in parallel with the plate and cathode of the 5ar4) and then 3A for the lower section of the bridge...
it doesn't bother me at all, the total drain on the power supply is not even more than 650mA....they can stick a 1A amp in there no worries... ;D
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it doesn't bother me at all, the total drain on the power supply is not even more than 650mA....they can stick a 1A amp in there no worries... ;D
ok, if the total drain is around that (even in class A mode) then they would never go past that (i knew that ;D).
but still, why use 3A types instead of just using 1A types for all the four diodes? ;D diba? ::)
btw, I already saw (in action) 1N4007 diodes and a 5U4GB tube rectifier form a bridge rectifier for a el34 pp amp and frankly I'm not bothered with it and it works just as if it were a pure ss bridge. :)
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it doesn't bother me at all, the total drain on the power supply is not even more than 650mA....they can stick a 1A amp in there no worries... ;D
Hi guys,
I am from the USA, if you haven't guessed that by now. I haven't had a chance to keep up with this thread since I am travelling. I sent email to my friend but he said that he could not register for this forum because registration was currently blocked. He was going to contribute his findings.
But he says exactly the same thing as TonyT, in particular, that current will take the path of least resistance, so that the rectifier tube is there for one reason - showmanship. We were also very puzzled by the fact that two of the diodes are 3A and two are 1A. TonyT is right - it would work with four 1A diodes. The only reason that we could come up with was that the soldering work is easier with the larger diodes on top.
But TonyT has also gotten to heart of my concern. This looks like a case of marketing hype. These amps have been reviewed around the world, and no one has noticed this yet. What does that tell us about the quality or the reviews?
This really make me feel bad though. The Chinese could easily have built this as a SS rectified amp or a tube rectified amp. The SS amp is cheaper, no doubt, but to masquerade as a tube rectified power supply just adds to the cost. Frankly, I don't think that most consumers know about, or care about how a tube amp is rectifier.
We were also puzzled by the crossover distortion on what was supposed to be a Class A amp. In theory the reason to implement Class A is to eliminate crossover distortion altogether. Because the amp was so badly biased, my friend did not try to figure out what the intention of the original design was. He just set it up in Class A with the "hybrid" power supply (since there is no way to do full tube rectification without a center tap). He says it sounds extremely good now though. The good thing about Cayin is that it is point-to-point wired so that the fixes can be easily done.
Thanks to gguy, tonyt, and jojo for following up on this. I think that Cayin will have an "interesting" time justifying what they have done.
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tonyt, one other thing. What do you suppose that choke is doing in the center of the amp? What purpose could it server? My friend says that it was actually bypassed in my amp. We were guessing that it was a choke filter, but that doesn't make sense with a SS power supply, does it? or does it have some other function?
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tonyt, one other thing. What do you suppose that choke is doing in the center of the amp? What purpose could it server? My friend says that it was actually bypassed in my amp. We were guessing that it was a choke filter, but that doesn't make sense with a SS power supply, does it? or does it have some other function?
that does not concern me much, if it is connected after the bridge it can help a bit too...
i am sure the chinese designers are playing to the market, buyers, many of whome knows next to nothing about tube circuits, and distributors that likewise does not bother to know on a technical level about the products they sell.... :'( well couldn't blame them though.....
i am sure the decision to use the rectifier tube was the "myth" about tube rectifiers as better sounding than ss rects... they are just playing up to it....
fortunately, tube circuits are very easy to decipher, a look under the hood is all it takes to reveal its inner secrets....
tube amps are about output transformers....get it right and you have a winner of an amp....
it is not the tubes per se, but what you do with them...... :D
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tonyt, one other thing. What do you suppose that choke is doing in the center of the amp? What purpose could it server? My friend says that it was actually bypassed in my amp. We were guessing that it was a choke filter, but that doesn't make sense with a SS power supply, does it? or does it have some other function?
is the choke disconnected/not wired?
that does not concern me much, if it is connected after the bridge it can help a bit too...
i am sure the chinese designers are playing to the market, buyers, many of whome knows next to nothing about tube circuits, and distributors that likewise does not bother to know on a technical level about the products they sell.... :'( well couldn't blame them though.....
i am sure the decision to use the rectifier tube was the "myth" about tube rectifiers as better sounding than ss rects... they are just playing up to it....
fortunately, tube circuits are very easy to decipher, a look under the hood is all it takes to reveal its inner secrets....
tube amps are about output transformers....get it right and you have a winner of an amp....
it is not the tubes per se, but what you do with them...... :D
I can't agree more, the OPTs really plays center stage in tube amps. I'm sure the official statement from Cayin should be here soon, festivities in China are soon coming to a close I guess.
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Most reviewers concentrate on the sound and those specs that are easily seen, ie number / type of tubes, watts etc..its very rare that a reviewer would really look under the hood and inspect each connection. Bottom line is, if the sound is good, the review is good. undoubtedly the sound is excellent by my standards.. SS or tube rectified it does not bother me at all.
Hi guys,
These amps have been reviewed around the world, and no one has noticed this yet. What does that tell us about the quality or the reviews?
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Interesting what Cayin engineers would say about this issue
Although I am pretty sure there is an actual use of the tube, as it would be unforgivable to just put a tube in there for show in your top of the line product for an integrated amp. If it was a design flaw, plugging the whole seems to be an easy task as there is a separate cover plate that can be replaced rather than changing the entire chassis. As a manufacturer, it would have been easy / cheaper (I am assuming) to install a name plate on the center of the amp rather than installing a 5ar4 tube + sockets.
Do you still get that power on delay w/o the 5ar4 ?
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Found operating points for 6550 class A1 push-pull, values are for 2 tubes:
DC Plate Voltage ..................395
DC Screen Voltage .................395
Cathode-Bias Resistor..............200 Ohms
Peak AF grid to grid voltage.......70
Zero Signal Plate Current..........170mA
Max signal Plate Current...........174mA
Zero singalDC Screen Current.......12.5mA
Max Signal DC SCreen Current.......23mA
Effective Load Resistance, Ra-a....5600ohms
Total Harmonic Distortion..........1.5 Percent
Maximum-Signal Power Output........34Watts
Looking at this data, it is possible to get 30watt ouput as claimed ........
notice that for one channel, current drain is 170mA, a single 5AR4 can handle this in mono, but two channels from the same tube is asking too much....this will explain why the solid sate rectifiers ended up there.....
still it is also possible that the tube is not there for "Showmanship" alone, it could also be that the tube was used to supply the drivers and preamp sections, in that role the tube will last the lifetime of the amp.
if anybody can email me the schematics, we can defenitely find out for sure.
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I am sorry we cannot do it given that these are patented by Cayin - although we are more than happy to show them to you without releasing any copies.
This thread is very busy in the past days, Thanks to ptubeh for raising the query. I also extend my sincerest gratitude to Sir/s TonyT, JojoD, Qquy and to the guys who shared their insights. More patience please, Cayin is still on holiday but we will post their reply once we have them.
Sir Tony, sorry we can't email you the schematics but if you have free time we will gladly show it to you over a cup of coffee or tea :) Maybe we can sched, so Jojo and qquy can dropby too :) :)
Again, many thanks guys....
Cheers
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You guys sure seem like good fellows. To bad I don't live in the Phillipines. I would love to join you.
Tony, remember that gguy found that his amp works without the rectifier tube plugged in. So I don't see how the rectifier tube could be used for the preamp tubes. Doesn't that make sense?
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no it doesn't. ;D....guess those china boys got their hands on the cookie jar....time to give them a slap on the hand for being naughty..... :D
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Sir Tony, sorry we can't email you the schematics but if you have free time we will gladly show it to you over a cup of coffee or tea Maybe we can sched, so Jojo and qquy can dropby too
i would love to, except that i am in Russia at the moment, though my IP adress points to Ireland cause i do happen to be working for an Irish company....but thanks anyway....
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Hi ptubeh,
I would like to ask you about the output traffo since it has caught my attention when you said the you decided to take frequency response readings even before you listened to it, and that you found it to be "from 10 hz to 60khz", now that is a mighty good reading to me, specially the 10hz part....
now i would like to know at what power level did you take those measurements? did you take it at an ouput level of 1watt? 10 watt or 30 watts?...
can you ask your friend for me?
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Not me that was 4krow..
Tony, remember that gguy found that his amp works without the rectifier tube plugged in. So I don't see how the rectifier tube could be used for the preamp tubes. Doesn't that make sense?
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Actually guys, I didn't take any readings of the output of my amp. All I was doing was repairing a defective power connection. And my amp is the 55watt output model. I did, however, take out the rectifier tube, and then turn the amp on. It seemed to be fine, but I did not raise the volume very much, since I really didn't need any new suprises. So now, we must wait for the reply of Cayin to explain themselves. In the meantime, I'm wondering if a 5UAG rectifier tube is able to be substituted for the 5AR4. Anyone who may have info., I would appreciate it.....Greg
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Do you still get that power on delay w/o the 5ar4 ?
Actually guys, I didn't take any readings of the output of my amp. All I was doing was repairing a defective power connection. And my amp is the 55watt output model. I did, however, take out the rectifier tube, and then turn the amp on. It seemed to be fine, but I did not raise the volume very much, since I really didn't need any new suprises. So now, we must wait for the reply of Cayin to explain themselves. In the meantime, I'm wondering if a 5UAG rectifier tube is able to be substituted for the 5AR4. Anyone who may have info., I would appreciate it.....Greg
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Sirs, WOW... busy thread.
Hopefully Cayin can reply by next week as work will resume from their "chinese" new year break. Patience my friends. Also... requesting a little respect for us too hehehe :) Calling us (well i cant speak for other countries) distributors who doesn't know a thing about what we sell is a little harsh or personal dont you think. All we want is to wait for Cayin to make the official reply and it happens to be chinese new year break hence the delay.
While waiting for Cayin's reply, we would also like to clarify that it is the country distributors who are responsible for their marketing as Cayin does not actively publish their products.
It is just disheartening to read some of the posts that makes us look like the alabang boys.
Peace
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It is just disheartening to read some of the posts that makes us look like the alabang boys.
sorry if seemed to be in your face, i apologize.....
however, there is no need to feel that way, after all you did not do the design an manufacture, you merely distributed their products, and from what i heard, those cayins really sounded great.....i don't think anyone can blame you for that..... ;D
as with all things coming from China, there will always be quality issues...
even Japan, Korea, and Taiwan once upon a time went thru that process....
it is feedback from consumers that will make them do better...so let us take this as an opportunity rather than a negative thing.....
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Actually guys, I didn't take any readings of the output of my amp. All I was doing was repairing a defective power connection. And my amp is the 55watt output model. I did, however, take out the rectifier tube, and then turn the amp on. It seemed to be fine, but I did not raise the volume very much, since I really didn't need any new suprises. So now, we must wait for the reply of Cayin to explain themselves. In the meantime, I'm wondering if a 5UAG rectifier tube is able to be substituted for the 5AR4. Anyone who may have info., I would appreciate it.....Greg
AFAIK, a 5U4 has higher drop than the 5AR4....besides your amps seems fine without those tubes, why bother? ;D
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gguy, Yes, there is the delayed turn on witout the rectifier tube.
TonyT, Maybe shallow of me to admit, but the 5U4G(or whatever that number was) looks cooler than 5AR4. Might as well go for sexy if there is nothing else to benefit. hehheheheh, Greg
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Hi ptubeh,
I would like to ask you about the output traffo since it has caught my attention when you said the you decided to take frequency response readings even before you listened to it, and that you found it to be "from 10 hz to 60khz", now that is a mighty good reading to me, specially the 10hz part....
now i would like to know at what power level did you take those measurements? did you take it at an ouput level of 1watt? 10 watt or 30 watts?...
can you ask your friend for me?
Hi Mr TonyT,
I will ask him the details. We have been trying to get him an account here, but the new account dialog has been blocked the last couple of day. If he can't get an account soon, I will ask him to write something up and I will post it for him.
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sorry if seemed to be in your face, i apologize.....
however, there is no need to feel that way, after all you did not do the design an manufacture, you merely distributed their products, and from what i heard, those cayins really sounded great.....i don't think anyone can blame you for that..... ;D
as with all things coming from China, there will always be quality issues...
even Japan, Korea, and Taiwan once upon a time went thru that process....
it is feedback from consumers that will make them do better...so let us take this as an opportunity rather than a negative thing.....
Mr TonyT,
I love this post of yours. I feel exactly the same way. I do not blame the distributors at all. It is not their job to dissect a circuit. And I am raising this issue for exactly the reason that you alluded too, that is, the only way to get these kind of thing fixed is to for consumers to raise the issue. I am not saying that Cayin doesn't make good products, but I am suggesting that they be more straightforward in delivering what it appears that they promise.
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Guys,
Below is a reply (copy/paste) from Cayin, its their 1st day of work coming from a holiday. Please bear with us. Well keep you updated
:) :) :)
Cheers
Forum Statement: Cayin a70T
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:39 AM
From:
<[email protected]>
View contact details
To:
"Noel Deslate" <[email protected]>
Dear Noel,
Thanks for your mail and kind help on the issue of products improvement.
I have already looked through the email you have sent to me and got the general idea. Later I will translate together with Emma for our technician Chen so that we can have a clear discussion accordingly. Any progress or news about this we will let you know.
Thanks and best regards!
Yours,
jhn
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Hi Adam W.
Thanks for the followup. I am really interested to hear the response. My friend, who is an excellent tech, re-biased my amp for Class A1 operations and set up the hybrid bridge rectifier. I finally am home and have a chance to listen. It is excellent, set up in this way. I am using Electro Harmonix KT88's, RCA 12bx7's in place of the 12ax7 tubes and some Sylvania gold pin primo 12au7a 's. This setup is wonderful to listen to. So the amp is inherently very good. I just want to know what the original bias setting were supposed to be, because mine were way off. Further, why do they advertise it as A2 when it is clearly an A1 circuit? And for a bonus, what is the explanation of the 5AR4? I have heard from an amp designer that even though it technically does nothing, that it improves the sound in some "magical" way. Hard to believe, I know... But maybe the Cayin engineers are magical thinkers.
Also, for you triode bigots, my friend changed the triode mode to pentode so that we could a/b pentode/ultralinear with the push of a button. I am thinking that pentode may be even better than ultralinear. Yes, I know that is not a very popular opinion...
With the original bias settings, triode mode was a non-starter. I guess we ought to check out triode mode with the new bias settings just to see if the the biasing was messing up triode mode. But I am betting that pentode may be the winner as far as my tastes are concerned. Call me a Luddite if you wish...
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Hi
Does this mean you still have the SS diode and 5ar4 working on the amp ?, I was under the impression that you would be eventually doing away with the 5ar4 and SS diodes and wire it up using a beefier tube recifier (GZ37 was it ?)
Try the NEW SENSOR Tungsol 6550, I find it a lot smoother than the EH KT88.
Hi Adam W.
My friend, who is an excellent tech, re-biased my amp for Class A1 operations and set up the hybrid bridge rectifier.
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I am not saying that Cayin doesn't make good products, but I am suggesting that they be more straightforward in delivering what it appears that they promise.
when Bob Caver submitted his cube amp for review, it turned out that his amp delivered something like 199watts, now the reviewer was willing to take this as "no big deal" but Bob said no, and off he went back to his lab...
then, a year later, after tweaking and resubmitting the same amp for review...the amp turned up a bit more than the 200watts claimed...
the lesson here is that, claims should always be on the dot, and verifiable....there is nothing wrong if the amp claimed to deliver 35watts can in fact deliver more than 35watts.....but it is always wrong to claim 35watts on an amp that can only do 34watts... ;)
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Hi
Does this mean you still have the SS diode and 5ar4 working on the amp ?, I was under the impression that you would be eventually doing away with the 5ar4 and SS diodes and wire it up using a beefier tube recifier (GZ37 was it ?)
Try the NEW SENSOR Tungsol 6550, I find it a lot smoother than the EH KT88.
Hey gguy,
Great suggenstion re. Tung Sol 6550. I had a little too much Sri Lanka Lion Stout last night. So it took the edge off of the EH tubes. I had been using the Tung Sol 6550s and I am back to them, minus the stout. They are really nice.
We wired up the rectifier to be half solid state and half tube. I had used the GZ37 and today tried a Sovtek 5AR4. It started arching within 20 seconds of turning the amp on. So appparently the 700uf capacitors are a bit much for the 5AR4 - which further indicates that the power supply would have to be completely re-designed if a tube rectifier were to be used. No way can the 5AR4 actually keep up with changing the caps. The GZ37 is beefier and will probably work for a while. I put a NOS Sylvania 5V3 in which is beefier still. But the power supply is marginal in this configuration. So we will return it to its original SS rectification.
Also, with the Class A1 bias at 25W output, the power transformers get quite hot after about 5 hours of continuous use. So I really want to know how this amp was supposed to be biased. We are beginning to suspect that it was biased quite low so that the power transformers would not heat up so much.
Finally, minus the Sri Lanka Lion stout, I decided that ultralinear sounds better in my system. You get a little more fullness and detail in pentode mode, but in my system it comes with a small price. The sound is more etched. I like the more mellifluous ultralinear sound, I think. Your mileage may vary...
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when Bob Caver submitted his cube amp for review, it turned out that his amp delivered something like 199watts, now the reviewer was willing to take this as "no big deal" but Bob said no, and off he went back to his lab...
then, a year later, after tweaking and resubmitting the same amp for review...the amp turned up a bit more than the 200watts claimed...
the lesson here is that, claims should always be on the dot, and verifiable....there is nothing wrong if the amp claimed to deliver 35watts can in fact deliver more than 35watts.....but it is always wrong to claim 35watts on an amp that can only do 34watts... ;)
Hey TonyT,
We can't seem to get more than 25W out of this in ultralinear mode with Class A1 bias. I don't know how Cayin came up with their specs. They claim it is a Class A2 circuit, which my friend say it is absolutely not. The only way to get more power would be AB1, but the manual says "30W Class A2". Hard to figure out what is going on here.
I am afraid the days of Bob Carver have faded in to the past...
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Finally a constructive reply from Cayin.
From: John <[email protected]>
Subject: Forum Statement: Cayin a70T
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 4:41 PM
Dear Noel,
Thanks for your reply.
I have finished translating the following email for our technician Chen. Please
look at the following comments from him:
1. Under the brand name of Cayin A-70T do have two kinds of products, however
we have not changed the model name. One kind is Class A2 while another kind is
Class AB1 with 55W+55W power output. Originally Class A2 kind of products are designed for the China
mainland market which is only sold in China. Class AB1 products are for overseas market.
2. As for what the guy has described in the following comment we have used
sevral diodes under the 5AR4 tube socket for rectification. It is because the
current of 5AR4 is not enough to supply the four pieces of KT88. So we have take
the method of hybrid rectification in order to have a strong enough current
which can have a positive effect on the sound. We do have another kind od
proudcts which uses 5AR4 tube and diodes to configurate a Tube and solid-state
hybrid bridge rectigying circuit just as SC-6LS preamplifier.
3.As for the question why there was massive (5% - 10%) crossover distortion at
10W output, if the circuit is all right and nobody has changed something. It
should be the problems of tubes which are not matched or misfunctioned. It can
be solved by tube replacement.
Thanks and best
regards!
Yours,
john
Our comments:
1) Sir Ptubeh - Since you got your unit used from the US it is hard for us to determine which version you have. There might be a possibility you got a "grey market" unit from China which is class AB1 or there could be a mix-up with the US distributor... many reasons could occur here but definitely yours is most likely class AB1 and there is an AB1 version and an A2 version. pm me your serial number and we can help you check. Or you may contact www.cayinusa.com (the US distributor) so that he can help you with your unit. I really really hope your unit did not come from HK grey market traders who refurbishes the units and re-box them selling as new units.
2) The 5AR4 is a hybrid rectifier. We also at fist thought that it is pure tube rectified but upon opening it; its not. However, there is a sonic and wattage difference if you take out the 5AR4 which we have concluded in blind tests with random customers. Cayin never mentioned that the A70T is tube rectified in their site or manual. The only person who mentioned that it is tube rectified is a reviewed from enjoythemusic.
3) As for the distortion... hard to say since your unit is used. Again cayinusa.com can better help you with this.
Finally, sir patubeh - would it be ok to kindly pm us your technical questions and we can help you liaison with Cayin to get answers rather than posting them here since your version might be different from what we are selling (we sell German export version at 230V 60Hz) and could confused our less technical customers.
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sir patubeh. I pm'ed you some technical answers
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Thanks for the response. I don't buy the explanation of the 5ar4, although I know others who have said that this configuration makes as sonic difference. But it is not really hybrid. We implemented a true hybrid arrangement and the 5AR4 does not seem to be able to handle it. The original design all but bypasses the 5AR4 which is why the amp works without the tube. Anyway, we could argue this and come to no conclusion. So I will use PM and send you the serial number.
And I want to say that I really appreciate and respect you for having followed through on this issue.
Best regards... and look for my PM
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Thanks for the response. I don't buy the explanation of the 5ar4, although I know others who have said that this configuration makes as sonic difference. But it is not really hybrid. We implemented a true hybrid arrangement and the 5AR4 does not seem to be able to handle it. The original design all but bypasses the 5AR4 which is why the amp works without the tube. Anyway, we could argue this and come to no conclusion. So I will use PM and send you the serial number.
And I want to say that I really appreciate and respect you for having followed through on this issue.
Best regards... and look for my PM
Thanks sir. We were really sincere when we said that we will get Cayin's response to this issue and were not just trying to avoid the topic. No one is perfect and the only way to learn and improve is to take on concerns constructively.
As for the 5AR4 - yes Cayin did say that its not enough, thus the need for the diodes. Schematics and what the best design is a never ending question... near the realm of whats better ss or tube. Sonically, there is a difference when you take out the 5AR4 from our blind tests. So let us all enjoy the music and let our ears decide :)
pm us anytime you have questions and we will try to get answers for you since kababayan ka. You may also email cayinusa.com
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The 5AR4 is a hybrid rectifier.
i think you mean the 5AR4 and the ss rects is a "hybrid rectifier" yes? ;D
2. As for what the guy has described in the following comment we have used
sevral diodes under the 5AR4 tube socket for rectification. It is because the
current of 5AR4 is not enough to supply the four pieces of KT88. So we have take
the method of hybrid rectification in order to have a strong enough current
which can have a positive effect on the sound. We do have another kind od
proudcts which uses 5AR4 tube and diodes to configurate a Tube and solid-state
hybrid bridge rectigying circuit just as SC-6LS preamplifier.
good enough reason to use ss rectifiers..... ;D
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Yes sir Tony. Sorry was typing quickly and did not proof read. My bad.
In any case... back to regular programming :)
We will be launching our new Audio Amplified website. Hence our old site will be down for a few days. Our web designer is currently conducting the final proof reading to ensure that there are no mis-information or typos. We also have a few new products to share in our new website.
Thanks...
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It is my understanding that if you take out the 5ar4, the amp still works. If this is the case it is not a hybird or "graetz" bridge, it simply means the 5ar4 is for cosmetics.
If Cayin explains the arrangement as bridge, but if you take out the 5ar4 and the system works, then their explanation does not hold water.
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It is my understanding that if you take out the 5ar4, the amp still works. If this is the case it is not a hybird or "graetz" bridge, it simply means the 5ar4 is for cosmetics.
If Cayin explains the arrangement as bridge, but if you take out the 5ar4 and the system works, then their explanation does not hold water.
Sir alexg :) kamusta ka na. Long time no chat.
Please drop by our shop again when you have time or when you pick up any mundorf purchases... Will show you the schematics and test the amp together over a cup of coffee and we can ring Cayin too so that you can talk to their engineers if during office hours.
thanks and have a good weekend.
BTW - some of your colleague (or subordinates since they refer to you as sir alex) from nippon visited 2 weeks ago. I told them to seek your inputs since they are planning to set-up an audio set. There were 3 of them... sorry totally forgot their names.
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If this is the case it is not a hybird or "graetz" bridge, it simply means the 5ar4 is for cosmetics.
to me this is not such a big deal, i am more concerned about the 25 watts ouput on a claimed 30 watt or so... ;D
a slap on the hand of those China boys would do for me..... ;D
@ptubeh,
i sugget you try posting your concerns at www.diyaudio.com i am sure your concerns will get more response from users worldwide, perhaps you will get better answers... ;)
another thing, are you sure your unit was not tampered with in any way?
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to me this is not such a big deal, i am more concerned about the 25 watts ouput on a claimed 30 watt or so... ;D
a slap on the hand of those China boys would do for me..... ;D
@ptubeh,
i sugget you try posting your concerns at www.diyaudio.com i am sure your concerns will get more response from users worldwide, perhaps you will get better answers... ;)
another thing, are you sure your unit was not tampered with in any way?
hahaha... will try to get the unit tested if we can get our hands on a 30W model since we carry only the 55W version now. And yes will give their head engineer a slap when i see him hahaha. :P
I am helping patubeh check his version since he pm'ed us his serial number already. Will hopefully get the reply soon. I also suggested that he contact cayinusa.com since they are the US distributor and they should be the ones to assist him because we cant even physically check his amp. He can contact the seller too to get the warranty. That would help.
Thanks all for your inputs.
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Hello everyone, I was able to register...at last. I am the EE who looked at this amplifier in question that started this thread. If anyone has questions, be happy to respond. In general, I have come to the conclusion this design with the "extra" 5AR4, that is...the only 5AR4...is for cosmetics only. The explanation that the added 5Ar4, when in place-plugged in-on top of the diodes- adds to a subjective improvement in the performance (in blind tests) is beyond belief. Indeed!
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Hello everyone, I was able to register...at last. I am the EE who looked at this amplifier in question that started this thread. If anyone has questions, be happy to respond. In general, I have come to the conclusion this design with the "extra" 5AR4, that is...the only 5AR4...is for cosmetics only. The explanation that the added 5Ar4, when in place-plugged in-on top of the diodes- adds to a subjective improvement in the performance (in blind tests) is beyond belief. Indeed!
anybody that understands circuits will think this so....they were most likely having shortened 5ar4 tube life issues, that is why the ss diodes.....and a logical thing to do........welcome to pdvd....
i suggested ptubeh to post this issue over at www.diyaudio.com, i am sure a lot of international experts will have something to say... ;D
btw, the frequency response you quoted to ptubeh looks quite good, wonder at what power level that was taken..... 8)
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TonyT, Exactly right, the Cayin tech said the 5Ar4 was not enough for four KT-88s, so the diodes were added. I only had trouble when he went on to say the 5Ar4 still helps the sound when bybassed (by diodes)......lost me there... My freq. response tests were at 1 watt into 8 ohm resistive load. Power response was not as good.
I still have doubts, as fundamental design planning would rule out using 1 5AR4 for a stereo KT-88 amp. Typical example is the vintage HH Scott LK-150, Class AB1 75w/ch. 4- 6550s, uses two 5Ar4s, however, the Dyna stereo 70 gets away with 1 5AR4 . (35w/ch 4- EL-34.) Dyna Mark III uses 1 5AR4, but is a mono amp---only 2 6550/KT-88-60 w.
I do not like to be hard nosed about it, but I would not get away with, or even try in the first place, such a power supply design as this Cayin for one of my builds. No way.
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Welcome to pdvd.
As sir Tony T suggested perhaps diyaudio.com is the best forum to post your concerns :) Kindly email or call cayinusa.com they are the US distributor and they can best answer your concerns. I am sure they are more than willing to help you open a communication line with Cayin.
As much as we would like to help and continue this discussion... it is quite difficult since we reside in different continents and it would be hard to even arrange a get together discussion over a cup of coffee. I have given ptubeh the version that he has which was early 2005 30W version which we do not carry so its hard for us to do our tests on different versions.
I have given sir patubeh the values and answer some of the technical questions he posted via pm. If you have more kindly pm me so that we can direct them through the right channels. But then again cayinusa.com is the nearest to you and would be in the best position to answer or help you given that the amp of patubeh was supposedly purchased from the US.
Thanks and hope to see you more at pdvd.
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Thank you, I only post to clear questions directed (to me)regarding unit I looked at and post the tech. facts and discovery. I have no more concern....let people decide valid of concerns here at this discussion. Good day Sirs........
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This has been an interesting thread. In the end, I think that the A70T 30W version (properly biased by capthz) is a great sounding amp. I took it over to a friend's house this weekend and we tried it out on his B&W speakers. He has always used SS gear as does another friend who joined us in the session. They both were very impressed with the results. The B&W owner wants to get one now. The other friend is thinking about building a tube amp now (he is a EE). So, no question that the amp sounds very good.
As an experiment, I sat in front of the amp so that they could not see it. While music was playing, I removed the 5AR4 and put it back in several times. Neither of them (nor I) could hear any difference in the sound. Further, there is not popping sound when you do this, so they did not know when the tube was in and when it was out. So that tubes supposed positive effects failed this blind test.
We did some swapping of the small signal tubes and they COULD tell the difference in this case. So they are not deaf :)
I have heard that Kondo, the amp guru who designed the Onganku, used a SS rectifier in parallel with a tube in some of his amps. HE claimed that it improved the sound of the amp. Maybe Cayin got the idea to try this based on the authority of some guru. But I tend to think this is some kind of magical thinking. And my friends failure to hear a difference confirms this to me.
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Sirs,
This is precisely the problem we are facing now. You are from the US, hence there is a distance issue here. We cannot even invite you so that we can share or discuss our discoveries with you (we did but you are in the US). Besides, we are discussing here an amp that was purchased from the US in 2005 with the version we clearly do not and have not carried.
Yes, your findings for your sample are probably true. However, we carry a different version and our findings for our samples are most likely true as well. There is no way we can share both sides since we are half a world apart. We are trying our best to help you with specs and communication from Cayin. All we are requesting is that perhaps it would be better if you take it up with the US distributor or perhaps post your concerns in a US forum (diyaudio or audiogon) so that people there could better help you. It is kind of unfair to us here as well doing honest business if we are critiquing an amp which we do not carry. We have been in business here in the Philippines for 5 years and so far we have built a very solid reputation in honesty and customer service (unless any pdvd member will object to this).
As you said... your amp sounds great. Your friend wants to buy one too? The 5AR4 of your version doesn't work? All in all lets enjoy the music and perhaps leave the technicalities aside or perhaps write www.cayinusa.com since there is really no way we can all sit down in one room to share our discoveries.
Thank You
- If you have anything that you want me to email Cayin please pm it so that i can try to forward it to them again. This is the most that I can do for you at this point given that the unit you have is past its warranty and is not from us. I am really sorry if that amp brought you so much disappointment and trouble (but as an good Cayin distributor we did even offer to buy it back so that you can design and diy an amp to your specs). On the positive side our A70T version have also brought a lot of customers and friends enjoyment which is also a fact supported by the almost zero used market for Cayin products here in the Philippines.
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masyado na technical ito............ ??? :'(
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Hi again,
Frankly, I think this topic has run its course. I am in contact with the US distributor (a very nice guy, indeed).
The reason for starting this topic was simply to question Cayin's use of a 5AR4 in the A70T. My amp is three years old, but the current crop of 55W versions have exactly the same 5AR4 implementation. So it is valid to bring this issue up. Regardless of our geographical location, this is a worthwhile topic on any internet forum. And I think that it quite informative to discuss these things, both for the techies, casual consumers, sales and distributor folks, and the manufacturer. It provides a little insight into the thinking of the manufacturer.
Cayin's only explanation for this tube is that it "sounds better". Well, they are in good company with this opinion. Kondo makes some of the most expensive and highly regarded amps on the planet, and I have heard that he shares this opinion (I can't verify this though :P). And the US distributor told me that people who can not hear the difference between a Sovtek and Mullard 5AR4 in this amp don't listen very well - which must include me ;D. So there are a number of people who think this design has merit. I differ with that opinion. I believe that sonically it makes no difference at all.
There is a lot of magical thinking in audio. You even find it among very technically savvy people. My final thoughts on this are that either Cayin truly believes that this design improves the sound (against all technical logic - and my informal blind test) or they put the tube on the amp just because it looked nice. The latter explanation doesn't make much sense because it cost money to put this tube in the amp - and I doubt there are many people who would base their decision to buy this amp on the presence or absence of a rectifier tube. So I am inclined to believe that the folks at Cayin indulge themselves in a bit of magicism.
And finally, I will state that despite this issue with the 5AR4 and the auto-bias issue (which is fixed) this Cayin product is exceedingly fine, both in terms of sound and build quality. I would not discourage anyone from purchasing this amp because of the 5AR4 setup. In fact, one of my listening buddies wants exactly this amp after hearing it this weekend. I would, however, strongly discourage people from spending money on expensive NOS 5AR4 tubes though.
I had thought about trying out the 55W version. But after getting the bias set properly on the Class A version, I have a hard time imagining that the 55W version would be any better (despite two distributors insisting that the 55W version is better). Plus, I get pure Class A, which some magicist think is inherently better than AB1 ;D So I will probably hold off on the experiment for now and just - enjoy the wonderful music that this piece produces.
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Hello,
I, as well ,think this thread (on the 5AR4) has run it's course. As a technical person, and electronics learned person, I must point out that technicals do matter. The technicals are what make an electronics product what it is! Of course! Objectively, this is an average product in design and build, with this issue of deceptive implementation at issue. I am sorry, but, these are real issues with real impact on product reliability, resale value and performance. Vacuum tube amplifiers in general, are well worth ownership, and this product should not, and will not, tarnish this fact!
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To most all who have contributed to this discussion, I have respect for the honesty and diplomacy shown in pointing out the opinions and facts about this case. Despit the fact that I enjoy my A70-T(55W version), it is good to know about the 5AR4 issue. As I stated much earlier, I too, noticed the diodes in place, as I was repairing a power problem with my amp. It did seem odd to me, and now I feel more informed about it. Regardless, I will confess that I will use a 'cooler looking' tube, just to show off............maybe with a blue glow.
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WOW that was a pain to read ;D
To most all who have contributed to this discussion, I have respect for the honesty and diplomacy shown in pointing out the opinions and facts about this case. Despit the fact that I enjoy my A70-T(55W version), it is good to know about the 5AR4 issue. As I stated much earlier, I too, noticed the diodes in place, as I was repairing a power problem with my amp. It did seem odd to me, and now I feel more informed about it. Regardless, I will confess that I will use a 'cooler looking' tube, just to show off............maybe with a blue glow.
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Heh heh, sorry, but just be glad I don't use infrared...besides, I knew that you couldn't resist it if it were like a whisper.
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you may like to try a 5w4..cost penalty of just about 7watts.. 8)
To most all who have contributed to this discussion, I have respect for the honesty and diplomacy shown in pointing out the opinions and facts about this case. Despit the fact that I enjoy my A70-T(55W version), it is good to know about the 5AR4 issue. As I stated much earlier, I too, noticed the diodes in place, as I was repairing a power problem with my amp. It did seem odd to me, and now I feel more informed about it. Regardless, I will confess that I will use a 'cooler looking' tube, just to show off............maybe with a blue glow.
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how much power does a 5ar4 consume ?
you may like to try a 5w4..cost penalty of just about 7watts.. 8)
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I like the cool looking high altitude military spec 5R4 GYB! I had to try these colors!
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how much power does a 5ar4 consume ?
without the ss diodes, about 18 watts, with the ss diodes around 9watts...
this is because with the ss diodes there, only the filament is heated, the plates are cool passing micro-micro-amps instead of milliamps.... ;D
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Hello,
I, as well ,think this thread (on the 5AR4) has run it's course. As a technical person, and electronics learned person, I must point out that technicals do matter. The technicals are what make an electronics product what it is! Of course! Objectively, this is an average product in design and build, with this issue of deceptive implementation at issue. I am sorry, but, these are real issues with real impact on product reliability, resale value and performance. Vacuum tube amplifiers in general, are well worth ownership, and this product should not, and will not, tarnish this fact!
out of defference to the thread owner...maybe we can continue this on another thread, just a thought......maybe the mods can split this thread.... 8)
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out of defference to the thread owner...maybe we can continue this on another thread, just a thought......maybe the mods can split this thread.... 8)
Amen to that
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out of defference to the thread owner...maybe we can continue this on another thread, just a thought......maybe the mods can split this thread.... 8)
my thoughts exactly, that way we can kill ourselves with the technicalities and decrease non-technical casualties at the same time.
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Got this email from Cayin and it is quite humbling for them to consult a Philippine distributor about new product design.
We got some ideas from our dealers and customers so we will definitely let them know what is good for us. At least we know they are listening. If you guys have any "wish list" Kindly pm and be heard :)
From: "John" <[email protected]>
Date: March 2, 2009 5:01:49 PM GMT+08:00
To: "tyroneco" <[email protected]>, "noel_deslate" <[email protected]>
Subject: suggestions
Dear Tyrone and Noel,
How's your business just now during the current economic situation?
Tomorrow we will have a meeting to discuss some issues regarding new products design ang research. Do you have some suggestions according to your market and your long experience in the business? If so please let us know and we will have a discussion accordingly.
Thanks and best regards!
Yours,
john
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Dear Customers,
Our new Cayin shipment has just arrived. For those who placed orders kindly pick-up.
Also available is the new SP Woodstock line in Cherry and Walnut color.
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whats the best floorstander speakers for the cayin A-50T.
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whats the best floorstander speakers for the cayin A-50T.
Cayin is a neutral sounding amp so they fit almost all speakers fine. So far we have paired it with Aurum, ERA, Vandersteen, PSB, Polk, B&W (Toyama does use it in their showroom), Dyns, Sonus, Wharf, and even vintage speakers.
Tell us your room size, budget for the speaker and type of music and we can better help you with your search.
Thanks
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Hi AudioAmplified,
Sir interesado ako sa Cayin integrated amps. I am looking forward to upgrade my amp.. I need your precious tip whether there's really big difference in terms of sound quality (not power quantity) between a-88t and a-50t? I have a small bedroom around 3.75 m X 3.75 m. My living room is around 4 X 5 m. I will use the system on those 2 areas of my place. My speaker is AVI Neutron IV which sounds not bad on my marantz amp. I am upgrading due to lacking of holographic soundstage and lacking of focus & sweetness of vocals.
Is a-50t good enough for my AVI speaker? or, is there a big difference when I choose a-88t?
Thank you.
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Hi AudioAmplified,
Sir interesado ako sa Cayin integrated amps. I am looking forward to upgrade my amp.. I need your precious tip whether there's really big difference in terms of sound quality (not power quantity) between a-88t and a-50t? I have a small bedroom around 3.75 m X 3.75 m. My living room is around 4 X 5 m. I will use the system on those 2 areas of my place. My speaker is AVI Neutron IV which sounds not bad on my marantz amp. I am upgrading due to lacking of holographic soundstage and lacking of focus & sweetness of vocals.
Is a-50t good enough for my AVI speaker? or, is there a big difference when I choose a-88t?
Thank you.
i suggest you audition the cayin with your existing speakers first before deciding. I could save you a lot of money
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Hi AudioAmplified,
Sir interesado ako sa Cayin integrated amps. I am looking forward to upgrade my amp.. I need your precious tip whether there's really big difference in terms of sound quality (not power quantity) between a-88t and a-50t? I have a small bedroom around 3.75 m X 3.75 m. My living room is around 4 X 5 m. I will use the system on those 2 areas of my place. My speaker is AVI Neutron IV which sounds not bad on my marantz amp. I am upgrading due to lacking of holographic soundstage and lacking of focus & sweetness of vocals.
Is a-50t good enough for my AVI speaker? or, is there a big difference when I choose a-88t?
Thank you.
Sir I agree with sir louisia. Audition first and let your ears decide for you. I am not familiar with your speaker brand. If you can give me your speaker specs I can help at least give you a ball park suggestion if the A-50T is sufficient to power it. As for match, we need to hook it up and listen. We do allow home audition so if you are in Manila you may just call us at 395-5115 to arrange.
As for A50T vs A88T. THe latter is a higher model hence it is a better amp no question. The question is if the A50T is enough and optimal for your system.
Do visit our site www.audioamplified.com for info on other Cayin products. We also have the SP series :) Cayin's new line.
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Thanks for the replies :) .. Here's the spec of the speaker:
Bass/mid driver: 127mm doped paper cone with 25mm voice coil
Tweeter: 28mm viscous damped fabric
Crossover: Second order, Linkwitz Riley (not b-wireable)
Sensitivity/impedance: 87dB/8 ohms
More info:
http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article.asp?SP=&v=2&UAN=117
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Thanks for the replies :) .. Here's the spec of the speaker:
Bass/mid driver: 127mm doped paper cone with 25mm voice coil
Tweeter: 28mm viscous damped fabric
Crossover: Second order, Linkwitz Riley (not b-wireable)
Sensitivity/impedance: 87dB/8 ohms
More info:
http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article.asp?SP=&v=2&UAN=117
Based on the specs the Cayin A50T should be sufficient to power this small bookshelf. The review also says that it does not performs best on bright systems which makes tubes ideal.
Since its a small speaker why not bring it in to our showroom for an actual audition.
The A88 or A70 would definitely sound better than the A50 but best thing to do is to set it up and let your ears decide if the difference in price is worth the performance.
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Thanks sir, im OFW and not there in manila at the moment. I will try to audition the a50t when my budget is ready.
Thx for the inputs and suggestions. ;)
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Thanks sir, im OFW and not there in manila at the moment. I will try to audition the a50t when my budget is ready.
Thx for the inputs and suggestions. ;)
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Thanks sir, im OFW and not there in manila at the moment. I will try to audition the a50t when my budget is ready.
Thx for the inputs and suggestions. ;)
ANytime when you are ready sir.
Buying an audio system without listening to it first is like buying a suit without trying it on. Music is very personal... just like clothes. One that fits another person does not really guarantee that it will fit you well.
audition audition and audition
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Do you upgrade speakers sirs? thanks
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What kind of upgrade sir? We do caps upgrade, please post the values you need and we will check if we have them on stock.
Cheers
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Sir query lang, I own an A55T integrated amp (EH 6CA7 tubes), Is it normal na may one clicking sound when ever I engage the Triode/Ultra linear mode coming from the speker, green to red light? If I turn the unit off with the red (Ultra or triode??) there is this pop (once only) sound in the speaker (Epos M15.2). Can you check your demo unit please. The previous owner said caps were upgraded to mundorf, almost a year with me na yung unit. Thanks
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Sir query lang, I own an A55T integrated amp (EH 6CA7 tubes), Is it normal na may one clicking sound when ever I engage the Triode/Ultra linear mode coming from the speker, green to red light? If I turn the unit off with the red (Ultra or triode??) there is this pop (once only) sound in the speaker (Epos M15.2). Can you check your demo unit please. The previous owner said caps were upgraded to mundorf, almost a year with me na yung unit. Thanks
Send you PM sir :)
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serial number 06021455, cayin a55t with eh6550 tubes. thanks
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Good pm sir, would you recommend Dynadio Audience 62 to be paired with Cayin a55t or would it be too much? Music will be mostly jazz instrument, vocals and 80-90's pop, no metallicas etc.
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Good pm sir, would you recommend Dynadio Audience 62 to be paired with Cayin a55t or would it be too much? Music will be mostly jazz instrument, vocals and 80-90's pop, no metallicas etc.
Sir I reco bring your speaker to our showroom and lets listen to it. Audio is very subjective and I would be biased if I'll say that its a good matched. ;) You can call the showroom 395-5115 and we'll set up the system. Here is my cel 0918-9068718, 0922-8997605
Cheers
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thank you sir, I will contact you for an audition.
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serial number 06021455, cayin a55t with eh6550 tubes. thanks
Got a problem here with my amp (A55T with EH6550), while listening this afternoon,the sound on the left channel got distorted. I was still near the amp since I just turned it on, I noticed a strong glow of light inside the tube of the left front tube (EH6550). I immediately turned it off. I was frightened, I remove all the connections and put it out of the shelf. I tried to turn it on with nothing connected to it. I noticed there is still this strong glow in that particular left front tube. I boxed it and will bring it to you for check up. What time would you be open tomorrow, pls. text me at 09209609550 for info on your opening time, can I wait? I will be coming all the way from Binan Laguna. Good thing the sonus faber minuetto was working perfectly (now connected with NAD C372). Pls. give me an idea on the service charge.
thanks
ganicru/ganicru2 is one and the same
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Sir you can bring your a55t at our showroom from 11am to 7pm monday to saturday, except holidays and sundays. Based on your statement its a defective tube. Please bring you amp for check up and biasing. you can call 395-5115 or sms me directly at 0918-9068718
Cheers
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Here is a good thread from Headphone lover of Singapore.
http://www.sgheadphones.net/index.php?showtopic=1096
Happy reading
Cheers
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Sir you can bring your a55t at our showroom from 11am to 7pm monday to saturday, except holidays and sundays. Based on your statement its a defective tube. Please bring you amp for check up and biasing. you can call 395-5115 or sms me directly at 0918-9068718
Cheers
Sir, How much is your Cayin SP105i FM radio?
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Sir SRP28K po, please call 395-5115 for discount
Cheers
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thanks Sir, btw i'm cebu based
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thanks Sir, btw i'm cebu based
Visit Sound n Images and Cebu Circuit City for audition
Cheers
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re: Cayin A55t
When do you activate the triode mode? Ultralinear?
I always listen to ultralinear mode.
Please advise. Thanks in advance.
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re: Cayin A55t
When do you activate the triode mode? Ultralinear?
I always listen to ultralinear mode.
Please advise. Thanks in advance.
depends on your listening preferences. i switch to Triode when listening to vocals, jazz and sometimes orchestra. ultralinear on rock or big bands
Cheers
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hi sir noel tnx for the assistance with the amp
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hi sir noel tnx for the assistance with the amp
Your welcome sir :) Congrats and enjoy your new toy ;D ;D
Cheers
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Your welcome sir :) Congrats and enjoy your new toy ;D ;D
Cheers
yes sir enjoying it right now hehe ;D
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We heard the Cayin A100T, coupled with the Aurum Cantus Harmony speaks (or it looks like them at least) in Watt HiFi last Saturday. It's a very nice and spacious sound, with smooth and natural highs. It's among the best tube amps I've heard (to think, stock form pa siya). It sounded great in both Ultralinear and Single Ended modes. It was revealing, dynamic and neutral in Ultralinear mode, yet emotive, sonorous and pleasantly detailed in Single Ended mode. It had a nice Jekyll and Hyde thing going on. :)
Those who are planning to build separate SS and Tube setups should try this amp out. It offers the best of both worlds. :)
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We heard the Cayin A100T, coupled with the Aurum Cantus Harmony speaks (or it looks like them at least) in Watt HiFi last Saturday. It's a very nice and spacious sound, with smooth and natural highs. It's among the best tube amps I've heard (to think, stock form pa siya). It sounded great in both Ultralinear and Single Ended modes. It was revealing, dynamic and neutral in Ultralinear mode, yet emotive, sonorous and pleasantly detailed in Single Ended mode. It had a nice Jekyll and Hyde thing going on. :)
Those who are planning to build separate SS and Tube setups should try this amp out. It offers the best of both worlds. :)
THank you very much for a nice mini review ;)
Cheers
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AudioAmplified,
Just sent you pm.
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AudioAmplified,
Just sent you pm.
Kindly re send your PM sir :)
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Kindly re send your PM sir :)
pm re-sent.
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pm re-sent.
Received none sir, pls PM me
Cheers
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Received none sir, pls PM me
Cheers
what speakers (preferably bookshelf) do you recommend for cayin a-55tp within 30-40k budget. thanks.
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what speakers (preferably bookshelf) do you recommend for cayin a-55tp within 30-40k budget. thanks.
You can try audition the ERA Design 4. we really don't encounter matching problem with the a55tp. sounded good in Paradigm, B&W, Triangle, PSB etc.
My advise is to audition, audition and audition because audio is a personal hobby ;)
Cheers
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Cayin A88T is now available, Limited stocks only
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/audioamp/a88t.jpg)
Here are the reviews
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/cayin/a88t.html
http://www.vasindustries.com/Product%20 ... LE2005.pdf
http://www.finallink.com.au/Cayin/Web%2 ... 202007.pdf
http://www.finallink.com.au/Cayin/Web%2 ... 202007.pdf
http://www.finallink.com.au/Cayin/Web%2 ... 1-2005.pdf
http://www.finallink.com.au/Cayin/Web%2 ... 202007.pdf
http://www.finallink.com.au/picts/a-88t ... o%2014.pdf
Cheers
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You can try audition the ERA Design 4. we really don't encounter matching problem with the a55tp. sounded good in Paradigm, B&W, Triangle, PSB etc.
My advise is to audition, audition and audition because audio is a personal hobby ;)
Cheers
kindly pm the the price of ERA Design 4 and other bookshelf speakers which are in more or less the same price bracket.
Thanks again.
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ERA design 4 BS SRP30K in wood finished, SRP33K in Piano Black
ERA design 3 BS SRP20K in wood finished, SRP22K in Piano Black, LCR SRP15K each in Wood, SRP16.5K each in Piano Black
Cheers
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New products coming this October 2010
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/audioamp/007.jpg)
NEW CAYIN I-POD HYBRID MULTIFUNCTION AMPLIFIER IS COMING!!
The MT-IP40 has I-POD docking, CD player, FM tuner and a tube pre stage Integrated amplifier with 50 watts per channel. Also USB, AUX and Subwoofer inputs are sure to please to create a hifi grade I-POD related system. Reserved now, be the first to own this excellent product!!!
Estimated Price package with ERA Design 3 speaker PHP55,000.00
Free: Speaker Wire
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/audioamp/011.jpg)
Estimated Price PHP90,000.00
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/audioamp/013.jpg)
Estimated Price PHP45,000.00
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/audioamp/010.jpg)
Estimated Price PHP140,000.00 MP-100s, PHP95,000.00 MP-CD100s
We are still deciding if we're going to bring this baby. Your comment is much welcome, help us decide ;D ;D ;D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/audioamp/004.jpg)
Cheers
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Pahabol :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/audioamp/0406133256Cayin-H-80A.jpg)
Dual 450w power transformers, extra large cooling radiator, black acrylic decorated panel, heavy duty knockdown adjustable amp feet, each foot can adjust the height independently, index type peak VU value ampere meter with blue background light.
SPECIFICATIONS
System: Dual Mono, Hybrid Class A Integrated Amplifier
Terminals: WBT Style Speaker - Gold Plated RCA × 5, Tape Out × 1, Balanced XLR × 1
Power Output: 80w + 80w (8 Ohm) Class A type, 150w + 150w (4 Ohm) Class A/B type
Remote Control: Full function
Pre-Amplifier Tube Compliment: 2 × 12AU7 Input Tube
Frequency Response: 10Hz – 40kHz
THD: <0.2% 1kHz, 80w (8 Ohm)
S/N Ratio: 91dB
Input Sensitivity: 380mV
Input Impedance: 100k Ohm (RCA)
Weight: 35kg
Dimensions: 440 × 235 × 533 mm [W×H×D]
http://www.cayin.net/en/news/archives/57.html
http://www.cayin.net/en/news/archives/59.html
http://www.finallink.com.au/uploads/file/Audio%20&%20Video%20Lifestyle%20'Audition'%20Cayin%20H-80A.pdf
Cheers
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Prices Posted :)
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ang gaganda ng NEW designs ng Cayin!
do you accept trade-in? ;D ;D ;D
just kidding! :D
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yung "Pahabol" ;D magkano ?
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Saan to pwede audition sir?
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yung "Pahabol" ;D magkano ?
Estimated is around 115K, pero baka mas mura pa
Cheers
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Saan to pwede audition sir?
New stocks are coming this october :D
Showroom: unit 3 and 4, 2/F Madison Square bldg, Libis QC. 395-5115
Across shopwise, between BPI and MBTC
Cheers
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website at www.audioamplified.com
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New products coming this October 2010
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/audioamp/007.jpg)
The MT-IP40 is a 5-in-1 package.
1) I-POD docking + USB dock
2) CD player
3) tuner
4) Amplifier at 50w per channel
5) Headphone amp
Best of all it has a tube pre stage which means you will enjoy the smooth and warm sound that tubes are known for and tube-roll too.
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Sir bigla po nawalan ng power yung cayin cd player (venus cd-100i) ko habang nagpapatugtog ako. Nung subukan ko uling buksan (power on), ayaw na bumukas. Ano po kaya ang dahilan? tnx.
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Sir bigla po nawalan ng power yung cayin cd player (venus cd-100i) ko habang nagpapatugtog ako. Nung subukan ko uling buksan (power on), ayaw na bumukas. Ano po kaya ang dahilan? tnx.
Try to check yong fuse sa likod ng CD player mo baka busted na. ;)
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Try to check yong fuse sa likod ng CD player mo baka busted na. ;)
Sir BigBert-2, fuse nga lang ang problema, kaya lang nung pinalitan ko ng spare fuse, bumukas lang sandali, tapos nasira uli yung fuse. Bakit kaya, tnx.
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Sir BigBert-2, fuse nga lang ang problema, kaya lang nung pinalitan ko ng spare fuse, bumukas lang sandali, tapos nasira uli yung fuse. Bakit kaya, tnx.
I think you need to bring it to AudioAmplified for further check-up or look for a good technician to check the unit because it might be a major problem. One thing more, don't try to replace the Fuse again. Kailangan ma-check muna iternally yong CDP mo para ma determine kung anong dahilan bakit bumibigay yong fuse. Baka may shorted or something. ;) ;) ;)
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Sir BigBert-2, fuse nga lang ang problema, kaya lang nung pinalitan ko ng spare fuse, bumukas lang sandali, tapos nasira uli yung fuse. Bakit kaya, tnx.
Are you using an AVR? lagi din kasi bumibigay fuse ko dati, when I checked the voltage coming from the wall socket nasa 240v :o. Now I'm using a servo type avr keeps it at around 220v +-2volts so far no more fuse change. :D
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Sir,
Please bring in the unit so that we can change the fuse and check the unit for you. It is under warranty so we will make sure you get it serviced.
www.audioamplified.com
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Are you using an AVR? lagi din kasi bumibigay fuse ko dati, when I checked the voltage coming from the wall socket nasa 240v :o. Now I'm using a servo type avr keeps it at around 220v +-2volts so far no more fuse change. :D
Usually Servo type has a motor and emits noise. We suggest that you have a line conditioner after the AVR. Unfortunately our electricity here in the Phil is unstable so we need AVR to safeguard our investments.
Also better if you have a ground.
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ang ganda ng MM1! is it affordable? :)
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ang ganda ng MM1! is it affordable? :)
Sir send you PM. I send you invite once new products are in.
Cheers
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Sir how mch is aurum cantus v2m? is it's compatible with my cayin a50? pls pm me [email protected] thanks
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Sir how mch is aurum cantus v2m? is it's compatible with my cayin a50? pls pm me [email protected] thanks
Sorry for the late reply. srp60k please call 395-5115 for discounting and terms
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Cayin is here. Please call 395-5115 for audition and reservation.
Starting tomorrow December 24, 2010 audio amplified will be close until January 3, 2011.
For those who want to audition our new products, we can open our showroom on Dec. 28, 29 and 30 but give us 1 day advanced notice. please sms 0918-9068718
Merry Christmas!!!
Cheers
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Happy New Year Audio Amplified! 8)
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Happy New Year Noel, Tyrone and Co.
After a few weeks of in and out of your shop, I have finally completed ( For Now ) :) my system. Specially the addition of the SC 6LS pre-amp and Mundorf Speaker Cables! Big Difference as I say to close out 2010.
This shop is highly recommended for honesty,service and value for money. This is not a paid Ad :)
More watts Audio Amplified 2011!
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Thanks Jojod :)
Thanks for the heads up sheep boy. You should try your pre-amp with 9084D monos :D If you have time you can bring your friend and audition the Duevel speakers
Cheers
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Thank you sir for your positive comment.
We have exciting products for 2011. Hope that we can also excite more customers such as you.
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Hello..could you kindly PM me the prices of your Cayin CD players...I'm looking at getting an entry level cayin.
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Hello..could you kindly PM me the prices of your Cayin CD players...I'm looking at getting an entry level cayin.
Entry level CD Player CD50T 28k Card Price 1year
Please drop by our showroom for an audition, Tel No. 395-5115
Cheers
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Entry level CD Player CD50T 28k Card Price 1year
Can you PM the CASH price?
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Entry level CD Player CD50T 28k Card Price 1year
Can you PM the CASH price?
Sorry for the late reply...
PM send
Cheers
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for owners of cayin amps who use BS speakers, what did you pair your amps with?
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Cayin A-70T (30 wpc class A "oven toaster" version) paired with Usher X-719
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Cayin A-70T (30 wpc class A "oven toaster" version) paired with Usher X-719
hahaha... "oven toaster" version. That unit runs hot but sounds as hot as it runs too :) You are one of the lucky few to have the class A version sir.
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Add the ability to use a wide range of tubes at a flick of a switch is just awesome !!! No multi testers required. ;D
hahaha... "oven toaster" version. That unit runs hot but sounds as hot as it runs too :) You are one of the lucky few to have the class A version sir.
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re cayin a55tp
ibang iba ang cayin a55tp after 2 hrs heating. pag less 2 hrs bitin.
i noticed this some weeks ago. nung una mga bet 20-30 mins heating lang. parang kapos. then 1 hr ganun pa din. 1 1/2 hrs ala pa din. pag dating sa 2 hrs... wow. iba na. swabe. dati pag compare mo sa kt88 kala mo payat ang el34, pero at 2hrs heating time, volume mo nsa 12o'clock or 1 o'clock, yung sabi nila sa el34 na mganda ang midrange at presence e lumalabas. at tamang tama lang.
Simula nun, 2hrs na naka on lang ang cayin bago gamitin :)
ps. naalala ko yung article sa allman brothers band/ bros and sis lp, 2 hrs pinainit ang tube amp ni d betts bago nag session. result: listen to the sound of gibson on "southbound" di daw makukuha yun pag hindi ganun katagal heating time ng amp (marshall ata ginamit). el34 ang gamit ng marshall.
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re cayin a55tp
ibang iba ang cayin a55tp after 2 hrs heating. pag less 2 hrs bitin.
i noticed this some weeks ago. nung una mga bet 20-30 mins heating lang. parang kapos. then 1 hr ganun pa din. 1 1/2 hrs ala pa din. pag dating sa 2 hrs... wow. iba na. swabe. dati pag compare mo sa kt88 kala mo payat ang el34, pero at 2hrs heating time, volume mo nsa 12o'clock or 1 o'clock, yung sabi nila sa el34 na mganda ang midrange at presence e lumalabas. at tamang tama lang.
Simula nun, 2hrs na naka on lang ang cayin bago gamitin :)
ps. naalala ko yung article sa allman brothers band/ bros and sis lp, 2 hrs pinainit ang tube amp ni d betts bago nag session. result: listen to the sound of gibson on "southbound" di daw makukuha yun pag hindi ganun katagal heating time ng amp (marshall ata ginamit). el34 ang gamit ng marshall.
Nice to know you're enjoying the Amp. Yan maganda sa tube, simpatika ;D ;D ;D di nakakasawa... habang tumatagal lalong gumaganda ;)
Cheers
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Not sure what el34 tubes your using, but its worth to try the JJ E34L, instant mataba agad ang tunog.
re cayin a55tp
ibang iba ang cayin a55tp after 2 hrs heating. pag less 2 hrs bitin.
i noticed this some weeks ago. nung una mga bet 20-30 mins heating lang. parang kapos. then 1 hr ganun pa din. 1 1/2 hrs ala pa din. pag dating sa 2 hrs... wow. iba na. swabe. dati pag compare mo sa kt88 kala mo payat ang el34, pero at 2hrs heating time, volume mo nsa 12o'clock or 1 o'clock, yung sabi nila sa el34 na mganda ang midrange at presence e lumalabas. at tamang tama lang.
Simula nun, 2hrs na naka on lang ang cayin bago gamitin :)
ps. naalala ko yung article sa allman brothers band/ bros and sis lp, 2 hrs pinainit ang tube amp ni d betts bago nag session. result: listen to the sound of gibson on "southbound" di daw makukuha yun pag hindi ganun katagal heating time ng amp (marshall ata ginamit). el34 ang gamit ng marshall.
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i read somewhere that Toshiba EL34's are the best that was ever made......maybe worth checking out...
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i read somewhere that Toshiba EL34's are the best that was ever made......maybe worth checking out...
kakaripas na ako sa watson deeco pacific baka makasalubong ko si mang gerry nag-bibinggo ;D
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ginto ang presyo sa watsons.....
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Not sure what el34 tubes your using, but its worth to try the JJ E34L, instant mataba agad ang tunog.
gamit yung stock el34 ng cayin a55tp.
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Any tips for upgrading my cayin 743d?
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Any tips for upgrading my cayin 743d?
Kindly bring you amp in our shop and we'll check the caps. We dont know your caps value, we didn't brought that model.
Cheers
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Kindly bring you amp in our shop and we'll check the caps. We dont know your caps value, we didn't brought that model.
Cheers
Sorry too far. I'm in the uk.
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Have you tried changing tubes ?
Any tips for upgrading my cayin 743d?
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Have you tried asking your distributor or dealer?
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For AudioAmplified. I have send You a question on email from your profile regarding Caps on Cayin a55t. Audioamplified email is full. I would like to know what caps and resistors exactly to change with specs so I can calculate how much money that would be. I would like to buy Silver Gold for signal path and regular Mundorf for rest to keep cost down. And some additional question that I ask You on email regerding buying options.
Thank You
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For AudioAmplified. I have send You a question on email from your profile regarding Caps on Cayin a55t. Audioamplified email is full. I would like to know what caps and resistors exactly to change with specs so I can calculate how much money that would be. I would like to buy Silver Gold for signal path and regular Mundorf for rest to keep cost down. And some additional question that I ask You on email regerding buying options.
Thank You
Send you PM
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Would want to invite you guys to add our facebook page for more Cayin updates and news :)
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Audio-Amplified/157499982743
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I've read that 500MK is coming and looks promising. Do you have tentative date of arrival? Price range? What is the difference from the standard Cayin models.
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Tentative arrival, early September. Estimated price is around 90k. We will post final price once they're out of customs warehouse.
I cannot give you an accurate answer, have not seen the innards of the 500MK but according to Cayin this has better parts and bigger caps (value) especially the coupling and I believe its mundorf or multicap already.
The big difference i can assure you: For the Philippines Market only :-X :-X :-X our unit its equipped with Joint Army Navy Military RCA NOS black plate 3E29/829B tubes :-X :-X :-X This military radar tube is very special, they combine both speed and punch found in solid state with the airyness of tubes.
Hope you can drop by the show room when it arrive. Very limited stocks only.
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Hello sir Deslate,
What are the values and how many coupling capacitors you can recommend for my Cayin A50-t?
I want to upgrade my sweet baby and I heard mundorf silver oil caps is the answer..Please let me know the prices also for me to prepare the budget..
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Hello sir Deslate,
What are the values and how many coupling capacitors you can recommend for my Cayin A50-t?
I want to upgrade my sweet baby and I heard mundorf silver oil caps is the answer..Please let me know the prices also for me to prepare the budget..
You need to replace 6 pcs 0.22uF and 2 pcs 0.1uF. Price depends what kind of mundorf. for silver-oil, Total price is P12,684.90
Cheers
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Thank you so much sir.. ;D
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Thank you so much sir.. ;D
Your welcome po :)
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i can't wait until audio amplified starts carrying the JohnBlue Audio line! and it's so close to my place (saint ignatius).
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Has anyone tries EH 6CA7 tubes with the Cayin A-50T? How does it compare to the EH EL-34 tubes?
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Better bass :)
Has anyone tries EH 6CA7 tubes with the Cayin A-50T? How does it compare to the EH EL-34 tubes?
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http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=25397
A review from the other forum re Cayin 500MK
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Greetings Folks,
I read with interest the findings of the Cayin A70 ! I'm impressed with the extensive knowledge HERE.
NOTE: If the following inquiry is not correct for this 'page' I expect it to be moved - hope I can find it and find the help I need.
With that said:
I came upon many advertisements for the Cayin A100T from authorized dealers. Liked what I saw & read about it - ordered it. What arrived was a bit different than what was advertised. The face plate different between two A100Ts advertised - one appears similar to the A70 (I know the dimensions differ) AND I was expecting KT88 but the unit had EL34 tubes.
So on I go wondering what happened -educating myself about KT88 versus EL34s. Then I pondered the power provided from the two tube types.
So being a bit distrustful, at times, - I'm wondering what I REALLY HAVE HERE! Did I receive a unit designed and built comparable to a Marantz 9 ? Though I do not have a clue what a Marantz 9 sounds like - the question is whats supposed to be inside this unit - especially in light of the fact these units are 'opened' at the supply location in New Jersey, USA then modified (ummm tinkered with ) before sending them on to the customer.
Is this the way of audiophile equipment - that someone is tasked to perform a 'routine' of sorts to an expensive piece of equipment before it gets into the customers possession?
I certainly do not like the fact I was not notified before hand I would be receiving something a bit different than advertised. Yes, I did ask about the tube change...I was told "EL 34 tubes are better"!
But reviewing the advertisements again and again and again - I'm wondering what I really have for all the money it cost - especially when I read about electronic Frankensteins and attempts to recoup losses by 're manufacturing' damaged or returned goods!
Why would it be necessary to 'enter' the innerds of a new unit? What actually was changed ? Did I receive something more or less than expected or advertised? How can I determine the quality of build in my possession?
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Sir Josepth2010,
I presume you are not from the Philippines? If you are from here, best if you bring in the until to us and we can inspect it for you. Or you can pm me the serial number so that we can verify the origin of the amp.
There are 2 version of A-100T; the EL-34/6CA7 equipped and KT-88/6550 equipped. The difference are as follows: 1) Latter has more rated power (100W vs 70W), this is basically due to the size of the tubes - KT-88/6550 being bigger tubes. 2) Sound characteristics. EL-34 sounds warmer and in general better for vocals. KT-88 is more dynamic and better for jazz. Both tubes are interchangeable (6CA7 and EL-34); (KT-88 and 6550). 6CA7 compared to EL-34 is fuller sounding. 6550 compared to KT-88 is faster sounding, livelier sounding. Other than the tubes, both versions are exactly the same quality wise. There is no best tube, its all subject to your personal preference. That is the beauty of tube amps, you can tailor your unit to your own listening preference - i.e. tube rolling.
The marantz 8 was actually a comment from a audio magazine review. Since the person is a well respected reviewer, the US distributor might have used it as a marketing tool. Personally I have not heard the marantz 8 as well but its supposedly a very good amp.
I am not too familiar with the US version. For our market we carry the German variant. I don't know if there are any differences between versions. What worries me is the modification in Jersey. We provide modification with full Cayin warranty since our technicians are trained by Cayin. However, these modifications are limited to upgrading of capacitors. On rare occasions we upgrade the wires to silver-gold mundorf wires but that it. We do not play with the design or schematics. Furthermore, the amp will be opened in front of our client and the replaced parts given to the client.
Hope I was able to help.
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Hi Sir Noel,
I'm just wondering, are there plans to bring in the C-3.0HD digital player?
Thanks!
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Sorry for your bad experience with the particular sales person you talked to. I cannot comment much on that since its between you and the US distributor. Here at Audio Amplified we try our best to answer in plain, understandable english and make sure that our clients are satisfied with our products.
I suggest you talk to VAS again. Send them an email if you wish.
Honestly, there is little we can do to help you since we are located in the Philippines and we have no jurisdiction over the product your purchased.
Cheers
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Hi Sir Noel,
I'm just wondering, are there plans to bring in the C-3.0HD digital player?
Thanks!
I have a M-3.0HD arriving. Will advise you soon... :)
Cheers
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I have a M-3.0HD arriving. Will advise you soon... :)
Cheers
Arrived :)
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Arrived :)
Nice! :) How much are these selling for?
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New Stocks of Cayin and Psvane Tubes has finally arrived!!!
;D ;D ;D
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We are about to place our order for Cayin products. Please contact us should anybody want to indent any special Cayin models or Psavane Tubes
Thanks all...
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Dear fellow pinoydvd members. Please add Audio Amplified to your facebook accounts to receive updates and special deals and promos which we will run only via facebook.
Thanks :) Thanks :) Thanks :)
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Noob question... ;D
Para saan yung auto space mode ng CD17? :)
Thanks
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In my old Sony Cd player, may "space" something command sa Player, it adds a couple of seconds after each song
Noob question... ;D
Para saan yung auto space mode ng CD17? :)
Thanks
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Hi!
Cayin a55 question. I plan to change caps from relcap to mundorf supreme. But what about power caps? Have You tried any other caps? Is it worth it? If it is worth then what values of caps and what brand did You tried? Is that Nichicon inside? Thanks!
I really like Cayin and after changing tubes and adding tube dampers from Herbie and power cord, and soon
caps (I have mundorf allready here but I am waiting for friend to come and change caps, i am not skilled) i would like to upgrade cayin to the fullest potential.
I have read about power caps here
http://www.laventure.net/tourist/caps.htm
Merry christmas!
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Hi!
Cayin a55 question. I plan to change caps from relcap to mundorf supreme. But what about power caps? Have You tried any other caps? Is it worth it? If it is worth then what values of caps and what brand did You tried? Is that Nichicon inside? Thanks!
I really like Cayin and after changing tubes and adding tube dampers from Herbie and power cord, and soon
caps (I have mundorf allready here but I am waiting for friend to come and change caps, i am not skilled) i would like to upgrade cayin to the fullest potential.
I have read about power caps here
http://www.laventure.net/tourist/caps.htm
Merry christmas!
Hi!
Cayin a55 question. I plan to change caps from relcap to mundorf supreme. But what about power caps? Have You tried any other caps? Is it worth it? If it is worth then what values of caps and what brand did You tried? Is that Nichicon inside? Thanks!
I really like Cayin and after changing tubes and adding tube dampers from Herbie and power cord, and soon
caps (I have mundorf allready here but I am waiting for friend to come and change caps, i am not skilled) i would like to upgrade cayin to the fullest potential.
I have read about power caps here
http://www.laventure.net/tourist/caps.htm
Merry christmas!
IMO its worth the upgrade. We also have Mundorf Mlytic for the power supply. You can search the forum for the testimonials. here is another like for caps shoot out http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/Cap.html
Cheers
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Sir Noel,
How much ang Cap upgrade for Cayin CD17?
Thanks
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Sir Noel,
How much ang Cap upgrade for Cayin CD17?
Thanks
Ayun oh.. he he he
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IMO its worth the upgrade. We also have Mundorf Mlytic for the power supply. You can search the forum for the testimonials. here is another like for caps shoot out http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/Cap.html
Cheers
Thank You very much for Your answer!
What values goes into Cayin t55 - and how many caps (2?)? I am asking because it will save me some time so I can order them in advance and then I will take my Cayin to Service (to the friend service) to change them. I see they are not very expensive. Otherwise I will have to cary Cayin twice, first to check what values and second time after I order Caps to change them. Its far away so You will be most heplfull if You know values.
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Sorry another question.
I looked at Mlytic here
http://www.hificollective.co.uk/components/mcap_mlytic_hv.html
Which version is needed? AG, AG+, HV, HV+ I can see that + have additional terminals and AG and HV also is different.
Which vesrion is compatibile with Cayin just to switch caps without too much trouble.
Also what about resistors? But please, if thats too much just skip this resistors question;) I will be more than happy with caps change.
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We only carry Mlytic MLAL and MLSL. Haven't tried the Mlytic AG since its a new product from Mundorf.
for the cayin model A55T you need a total of 8 caps, 2- .1uf and 6- .22uF
cheers
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We only carry Mlytic MLAL and MLSL. Haven't tried the Mlytic AG since its a new product from Mundorf.
for the cayin model A55T you need a total of 8 caps, 2- .1uf and 6- .22uF
cheers
Thank You
But I mean what are values and how many of big caps for power suply and what type of mlytic do You recommned.
I think Nichicon is original caps. If we understand each other (sorry english is not my first language) You said they are worth of change also.
Not that 8 small input and signal caps. I allready got 2 0.1uf and 6 0.22uF mundorf supreme.
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Thank You
But I mean what are values and how many of big caps for power suply and what type of mlytic do You recommned.
I think Nichicon is original caps. If we understand each other (sorry english is not my first language) You said they are worth of change also.
Not that 8 small input and signal caps. I allready got 2 0.1uf and 6 0.22uF mundorf supreme.
partsconnexion carries Mundorf Psu caps....http://www.partsconnexion.com/capacitor_film_mundorf_mtube.html
(http://www.partsconnexion.com/media/product/capacitors/mtubcap.jpg)
question is, do you have room inside your amp?
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Very interesting thread. I have a cayin A70-T with manual biasing option. I got it used from a local retailer. The discussion about Cayin A70T here really worries me :o. I do not know any other details except it is KT88 tube version with manual biasing. Is there any way to find out?
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Very interesting thread. I have a cayin A70-T with manual biasing option. I got it used from a local retailer. The discussion about Cayin A70T here really worries me :o. I do not know any other details except it is KT88 tube version with manual biasing. Is there any way to find out?
you only set bias when you replace the output tubes....bring your unit to your local retailer, those tubes are good for more than a year even if you use them everyday...
as long as you don't see those output tubes "red plating", i see no reason for concern, just enjoy your gear....http://www.google.com.ph/search?q=tubes+%22red+plating%22%2C&oq=tubes+%22red+plating%22%2C&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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Thanks Tony.I am planning to change my stock KT88 with Genalex ones. My tubes are more than 5 years old ;Dand I am anticipating to change them soon. I wish some one give me step wise instructions on how to bias tubes with Cayin A-70T.
I am wondering if anyone has more details about Cayin a70-t MANUAL BIASED version. Will this work with EL34 tubes? I read somewhere that it can not take EL34 (not sure!) [The auto bias version does take EL34 with a flip switch on top :( ,mine is not that version]. How can I found out whether it is 30W or 55w VERSION?
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Thanks Tony.I am planning to change my stock KT88 with Genalex ones. My tubes are more than 5 years old ;Dand I am anticipating to change them soon. I wish some one give me step wise instructions on how to bias tubes with Cayin A-70T.
I am wondering if anyone has more details about Cayin a70-t MANUAL BIASED version. Will this work with EL34 tubes? I read somewhere that it can not take EL34 (not sure!) [The auto bias version does take EL34 with a flip switch on top :( ,mine is not that version]. How can I found out whether it is 30W or 55w VERSION?
35 or 55watt it hardly matters...i stopped counting the watts a long time ago....
coming from a KT88 amp, replacing with an EL34 required lower bias current, meaning higher grid voltages, i see no reason why it can not be done....
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Best is to consult the local dealer direct, especially if you want to change tube types. Cayin amps had a lot of revision in their designs (not negative in that sense) which may require minor parts changes. As Tony said, its not impossible and its workable.
Thanks Tony.I am planning to change my stock KT88 with Genalex ones. My tubes are more than 5 years old ;Dand I am anticipating to change them soon. I wish some one give me step wise instructions on how to bias tubes with Cayin A-70T.
I am wondering if anyone has more details about Cayin a70-t MANUAL BIASED version. Will this work with EL34 tubes? I read somewhere that it can not take EL34 (not sure!) [The auto bias version does take EL34 with a flip switch on top :( ,mine is not that version]. How can I found out whether it is 30W or 55w VERSION?
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^depende yan sa range ng voltage available in the amp, sometimes you can get away without any mods......these can be checked by measuring the grid voltage without the tubes inserted...you will need to ask a technician to do it for you....
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Thanks guys.I was under the impression that only the 30 W version is Class A and 55 W is Class AB. So I actually wants the 30W version. Can the Cayin dealer tell me from Serial Number?Or is there any way to find that out?
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If there is a switch on top, that has "EL34" and "KT88" labels, then its the 30 watt class A version. No switch it should be the 55 watt class AB manual biased version. You can also use 6550 tubes instead of KT88.
For biasing, I would send the amp with the new tubes to Audio Amplified, better safe than sorry.
To change to EL34, there is a resistor that needs to be replaced internally.
Very interesting thread. I have a cayin A70-T with manual biasing option. I got it used from a local retailer. The discussion about Cayin A70T here really worries me :o. I do not know any other details except it is KT88 tube version with manual biasing. Is there any way to find out?
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Thanks Qguy.I was under the impression all this time that older manual biased version was class A. :(. I am not in philippines and actually in US.The new versions with flip switch on top for EL34/KT88 are also 55W as listed in US site(http://www.cayinusa.com/Product_Name.asp?Category=26:56:40&types=2 ). Unfortunately ,I live not anywhere close to official dealer so have to depend on local tech. I f you can let me know the resistor/s that need be changed with values it will be of great help. :)
I checked the manual in cayinUSA site and you are right it is listed as 2X30W ultralinear kt88 :.So do not know which one to believe? :o
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As for which resistor, I do not know which one. I would stick to Kt88 /6550 tubes, There is a multitude of brands and models available that should negate the need for EL34 types. Personally I prefer the GL Kt88 and Tungsol 6550, the GL provides a bit more snap and detail whereas the Tungsol is full bodied and warm with a lot of bass
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Thanks.Is there a appreciable difference in sound quality in both version.In theory Class A should be better than AB? Any experiences?
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Have not tried comparing both side by side
Thanks.Is there a appreciable difference in sound quality in both version.In theory Class A should be better than AB? Any experiences?
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Thanks Qguy.I was under the impression all this time that older manual biased version was class A. :(. I am not in philippines and actually in US.The new versions with flip switch on top for EL34/KT88 are also 55W as listed in US site(http://www.cayinusa.com/Product_Name.asp?Category=26:56:40&types=2 ). Unfortunately ,I live not anywhere close to official dealer so have to depend on local tech. I f you can let me know the resistor/s that need be changed with values it will be of great help. :)
I checked the manual in cayinUSA site and you are right it is listed as 2X30W ultralinear kt88 :.So do not know which one to believe? :o
i wonder how much stateside techs charge for these type of services....
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Its is whole lot compared to there. 50-100 for touching it. :'(
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My cayin A70-T is about 5 years old. I use it with Monitor audio silver RS6. The KT88(cayin KT88) tubes are as old as my amp.It feels to me like the low frequency response is not good enough compared to mids and highs. Is it because the tubes are old? Or is it the combo of RS6 with A70T ? RS6 are on the weaker side of bass reproduction and more brighter speakers. Any suggestions?Will changing tubes will take care of it?
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if your output tubes do not red plate, if your amp does not distort nor hum, then those tubes are probably still alright.....why not try a tone control to find out if your amp can produce hefty bass?
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if you want more bass, try the Tungsol 6550.
if your output tubes do not red plate, if your amp does not distort nor hum, then those tubes are probably still alright.....why not try a tone control to find out if your amp can produce hefty bass?
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Tony can you please explain how to use the tone control? :o
Does any one knows what are the make of Cayin stock tubes? I initially set my bias voltage at 0.4v then increased to .43 with some increase in bass but it still not reaching expectations. The mids have become less prominent but still the bass lack the presence. >:D
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The Cayin A70T can work as a power amp. What you do is you get a pre-amp with tone controls, bass and treble controls and use them to adjust the sound.
Alternatively, you might want to look into getting a subwoofer.
Tony can you please explain how to use the tone control? :o
Does any one knows what are the make of Cayin stock tubes? I initially set my bias voltage at 0.4v then increased to .43 with some increase in bass but it still not reaching expectations. The mids have become less prominent but still the bass lack the presence. >:D
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Thanks qguy. I am wondering how much difference tungosol would make over stock tubes. I am not a big fan of subs and honestly not looking for room shaking effects. My issue with A70 is mids and highs are there but bass you need to listen to hear.it is there but noted by shyness. Do you know what is the make of stock cayin KT88 ? I guess you have great results from using tungsols in bass response?
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Tungsol 6550. Yes, Their great !!!, it has a warm tone. The mids are laidback compared to GL Kt88.
Now that you mentioned that you like the mids and highs of the current tubes, then all the more reason to think about the subs as a properly integrated subwoofer should not muddy up the mids
Check out Rythmik subwoofers, their primarily designed for 2 channel audio systems, but recently added larger subs for HT. The sealed F12 would be a great start
Thanks qguy. I am wondering how much difference tungosol would make over stock tubes. I am not a big fan of subs and honestly not looking for room shaking effects. My issue with A70 is mids and highs are there but bass you need to listen to hear.it is there but noted by shyness. Do you know what is the make of stock cayin KT88 ? I guess you have great results from using tungsols in bass response?
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Can they be used without any change in Cayin a70-t? Did you mean NOS or reissue tung sol .
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New production / reissue Tungsol 6550. No internal changes required except biasing.
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Qguy is your A70-t a manual biased version? I read in so many places your post on A70t. :)
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Autobias Class A :) El34 / KT88 version
Qguy is your A70-t a manual biased version? I read in so many places your post on A70t. :)
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I was hopeful to find a company in the tube jungle. :(. I guess you have enough experience and read at many places that you settled on 6550. Now the biggest promoter of the same. Do you have experience with manual biased version ? I guess it might be different than auto bias( just a wild guess). Do you know the bias voltage for 6550 in A70 -t?
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Tony can you please explain how to use the tone control? :o
Does any one knows what are the make of Cayin stock tubes? I initially set my bias voltage at 0.4v then increased to .43 with some increase in bass but it still not reaching expectations. The mids have become less prominent but still the bass lack the presence. >:D
if you have a vintage amp or any other amp with a preamp out, you can hook that up to your Cayin....
Cayin being a Chinese amp uses Shuguang tubes by default.....
the reason for setting bias is to avoid cross-over distortions and reduce it to insignificant values.....another reason it to prevent your output tube from red plating if the bias voltage becomes low and cathode current increases.... ;)
bass response is a function of your output transformer, how it saturates at low frequencies, naturally a bigger output transformer can output higher power at lower frequencies than a smaller transformer, that is your limitation....you may be surprised to know, that an output transformer that can do 50watts at 1khz can only manage half of that at 20hz, this is the nature of the beast..... 8)
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Nope did want to deal with biasing, hence I got the Autobias version :)
Right now I only use Tungsol 6550 and GL KT88
I was hopeful to find a company in the tube jungle. :(. I guess you have enough experience and read at many places that you settled on 6550. Now the biggest promoter of the same. Do you have experience with manual biased version ? I guess it might be different than auto bias( just a wild guess). Do you know the bias voltage for 6550 in A70 -t?
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bass response is a function of your output transformer, how it saturates at low frequencies, naturally a bigger output transformer can output higher power at lower frequencies than a smaller transformer, that is your limitation....
Thanks Tony.Are you trying to say changing tubes may not be the solution. I read somewhere that A70-t has better output transformers than A80-t.
Or are you saying cayins have a week bass out put from using a smaller transformer? To be honest I am the only one having this issue.
About red plating is it increasing or decreasing bias voltage that causes red plating?
qguy basing manually is fun.its like tuning your engine yourself. auto bias version can take 6555. But do you know it is the same for manual biased version?
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Thanks Tony.Are you trying to say changing tubes may not be the solution. I read somewhere that A70-t has better output transformers than A80-t.
Or are you saying cayins have a week bass out put from using a smaller transformer? To be honest I am the only one having this issue.
About red plating is it increasing or decreasing bias voltage that causes red plating?
qguy basing manually is fun.its like tuning your engine yourself. auto bias version can take 6555. But do you know it is the same for manual biased version?
red plating can be caused by several reasons, one if the plate dissipation specs of the tube is exceeded, i.e. the EL34 is rated for 24 watts and you biased the tube for 30 watts, another is when your output stage oscillates at RF, you will not hear that but it can happen.....
decreasing the grid voltage increases plate current and vice versa....this is what happens when you turn the bias controls....
i would not give you false hopes, one man's experience may not hold true to you.....if you can borrow a preamp with tone control, then i think that is your best option to try.....
you see here how many tried changing tubes, changing caps, etc, then later on sold their amps....
besides, the enjoyment of music can not hinge on just the tubes, nor the amplifier alone, you have to look at the whole chain from source to speakers and the listening environment......if you focus on just the amp, you may never get there......
since your amp is 5 years old, go ahead and change tubes....
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Any one here tried to change capacitors in Cayin A70-T? Any idea what to change and which one to use?
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You can search the pinoy and wiredstate site, there is a lot of thread regarding upgrade. For A70T You need to change 2pc 0.1uf, 2pc 0.33uf and 4pc 0.22uf. Better bring your amp to our shop so we can check the innards. pls call 631-0679 and talk with our tech guys...
Cheers
By the way, we are the exclusive distributor of mundorf here in PI :)
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Sir Noel how much ang cost ng Cayin CD17 capacitor upgrade?
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Sir Noel how much ang cost ng Cayin CD17 capacitor upgrade?
Sir depende po kung anong klase. from MCAP regular to Silver Gold Oil. Kindly call na lang for pricing kung ano gusto mong caps
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You can search the pinoy and wiredstate site, there is a lot of thread regarding upgrade. For A70T You need to change 2pc 0.1uf, 2pc 0.33uf and 4pc 0.22uf. Better bring your amp to our shop so we can check the innards. pls call 631-0679 and talk with our tech guys...
Cheers
By the way, we are the exclusive distributor of mundorf here in PI :)
Thanks for the links.Very informative.Just curious which capacitors Cayin a70-t COMES WITH?Is it clarity caps ,which series?
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@kinku, if you are stateside, you can try the V-caps, teflon caps...http://www.v-cap.com/products.php
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Thanks for the links.Very informative.Just curious which capacitors Cayin a70-t COMES WITH?Is it clarity caps ,which series?
Real Caps sir.
Before jumping in, here are some capacitor review. Different maker and model, different sound character. Look for the caps that suite your listening bias. you'll also noticed that a lot of those caps are cheap but sonically outstanding
http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/Cap.html
Cheers
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Thanks for the link Adam.Did you mean Rel Cap(reliable capacitors) are the one cayin uses? :o
Tony thanks for the link Vcaps are super expensive though.Is it worth a shot?
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Tony thanks for the link Vcaps are super expensive though.Is it worth a shot?
the best money can buy......:D
in my hierarchy of dielectrics, it is Teflon, polycarbonate, and polypropylenes in that order....
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I got a picture of Cayin A70-T circuits. To mke this discussion easy. Yeah the coupling caps are REALCAPS .There are two Nichicon VX(M) caps in the pre amp section.Anyone know what is their role?
But how to post a picture in here?(http://)
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Has any one done the recapping before? I too believe in not disturbing a perfectly working system.Adam what is the result I can expect if I recap the pre amp capacitors? What change it will bring to sound ?
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Has any one done the recapping before? I too believe in not disturbing a perfectly working system.Adam what is the result I can expect if I recap the pre amp capacitors? What change it will bring to sound ?
Depends on the caps you use. Some caps will improved the soundstage and nuances, others will make it a tad bright, etc. All this are good depending on system matching. Asked around which cap is better for your system. Read the end user testimonials, they experience n heard the modification and dont listen to hearsay lol
Cheers
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You need to replace 6 pcs 0.22uF and 2 pcs 0.1uF. Price depends what kind of mundorf. for silver-oil, Total price is P12,684.90
Cheers
There is this guy who posted in AK and changed what he said as PS bypass cap labeled 'Swellong' to 0.47uF Mundorf. I believe it was never mentioned in this forum about changing that particular cap. Any benefit of changing that "Swellong"?
This is that AK post http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=482147&page=2
Another question. Are those 2x0.1uF caps to bypass the feedback resistors? If so, that same guy used silver mica. Any real advantage with mundorf?
Thanks.
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There is this guy who posted in AK and changed what he said as PS bypass cap labeled 'Swellong' to 0.47uF Mundorf. I believe it was never mentioned in this forum about changing that particular cap. Any benefit of changing that "Swellong"?
This is that AK post http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=482147&page=2
Another question. Are those 2x0.1uF caps to bypass the feedback resistors? If so, that same guy used silver mica. Any real advantage with mundorf?
Thanks.
Can't see the pics, I will try to register at AK tomorrow...
Cheers
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Sir Ebug,
replied to your PM, please check... :)
Cheers
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PM re send :)
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We have some new Cayin products.
Cayin MT-12N Signature
Cayin LA34
Both are very good value for money tube amps. Please visit www.audioamplified.com for details.
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Mga sir. Ask ko lang how much sro ng cayin a 50t?
Thanks :)
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Mga sir. Ask ko lang how much sro ng cayin a 50t?
Thanks :)
replied to you sir jancyG via PM
thanks! :)
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kindly pm cash price cayin mt-12n signature tnx.
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Sir madyaw, pls check your PM
Cheers
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Bossing, ang Cayin a-55TP ba puede sa KT88 at EL34? Just wondering :). Ok kaya imatch ang Cayin sa Monitor Audio BX2? Salamat. Sana makauwi na!
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magkano ba yung entry level ng amp na ito?
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MT12N SRP29k EL84 SEP 10watts per ch
LA34 SRP39K EL34 PP 32watts per ch - 2nd place 2014 golden ear award in Germany for amplifier EU2,000 below
Cheers
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Any news if the cayin cs 55a will be brought into our shores? And how much?
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Any news if the cayin cs 55a will be brought into our shores? And how much?
Yes sir, we'll be launching it by the last quarter of this year. cheers! :)
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up ko lang itong thread.
tanong lang po, may cayin tube na po bang mabibili sa halagng 20k pababa?
beginner lang po, gusto ko lang magkaroon ng tube amp na cayin?
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up ko lang itong thread.
tanong lang po, may cayin tube na po bang mabibili sa halagng 20k pababa?
beginner lang po, gusto ko lang magkaroon ng tube amp na cayin?
Sent you PM sir -mhan-. :)
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Merry Christmas AA Team! 8)
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Happy New Year sir jojo
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Good news!!!
New stock of Cayin has arrived. Cayin is a very fast moving product. Kindly call 631-0379 or 738-6002 for audition and reservation. Cayin is also available in other specialty audio store which is strategically located near your area...
Cheers
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Good day, tube newbie here....wanna know if I can connect my iPhone/MacBook directly to a cayin cs55a or el34 directly ?
I don't want to use a separate DAC kasi,tnx
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Good day, tube newbie here....wanna know if I can connect my iPhone/MacBook directly to a cayin cs55a or el34 directly ?
I don't want to use a separate DAC kasi,tnx
yes you can, just use 3.5mm to RCA cable.
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Which do you think is better?
1) cayin la34 + Cambridge audio CXN + BW 685 or
2) cayin cs55 + BW 685
Pareho Lang price both set up, just not sure if the LA34 amp will be sufficient to drive the BWs.
Both meant for laptop/iPhone playback.
Regards!
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Any idea how much LA34?
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cheers
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Hi, my cayin tube amp (A50T) has a initial 'thug' noise when it is turned on. Then there is a loud long noise that will follow. Nakakainis.
Pls help what's the problem. Any advise?
Any repair shop in Las Pinas or Paranaque?
Thanks in advance
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Anyone tried using different tubes (Besides KT88 and El34) for the CS-55A ? Possible daw KT77 or 6550 based on another thread? Thanks
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KT77 and 6550 will work,
Tungsol 6l6gc big bottle, has a lot of bass response
Tungsol 6550, warm sounding tube with ample bass response
GL KT88- one of the best i have tried, bass response is tight, highs are extended but not too ear piercing
JJ E34L - Warmer than the JJ EL34, bass is response is very good.
This was on a Cayin A-70T
Anyone tried using different tubes (Besides KT88 and El34) for the CS-55A ? Possible daw KT77 or 6550 based on another thread? Thanks
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KT77 and 6550 will work,
Tungsol 6l6gc big bottle, has a lot of bass response
Tungsol 6550, warm sounding tube with ample bass response
GL KT88- one of the best i have tried, bass response is tight, highs are extended but not too ear piercing
JJ E34L - Warmer than the JJ EL34, bass is response is very good.
This was on a Cayin A-70T
Thank you sir! Planning to try a different type of tube sa CSA55.. I was wondering kung anong setting lalagay ko sa switch sa likod between KT88 and EL34
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Ok got the response na from Cayin directly
Here it is for future reference:
Use EL34 setting for 6L6
Then KT88 setting for 6550
Update:
Cayin initially said to use KT88 for KT77 tubes but I think this should be EL34
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You may want to double check the KT77 setting, as far as I know, KT77 is a direct replacement for EL34
Ok got the response na from Cayin directly
Here it is for future reference:
Use EL34 setting for 6L6
Then KT88 setting for 6550 and KT77
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You may want to double check the KT77 setting, as far as I know, KT77 is a direct replacement for EL34
I was searching it nga din.. Sa mga website it's a direct replacement haha will use the el34 setting nalang siguro.in case magkaron ako