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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: barrister on Jan 12, 2013 at 02:15 PM
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Samsung claims deepest black and brightest picture on a plasma.
Of course, that tag line was composed before Sammy saw the 2013 Panny plasma ZT60. Tignan natin in a few months kung totoo nga.
Samsung F8500 plasma ready to take on Panasonic’s best
By Ardjuna Seghers
08 January 2013
(http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/000025d4b/59c9_orh300w300/Samsung-F8500-plasma.jpg)
At CES 2013, Samsung launched its latest plasma TVs, the F8500 series, which it claims “offers the ultimate in picture quality with the deepest blacks and the brightest picture available”.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-f8500-plasma-ready-to-take-on-panasonic-s-best (http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-f8500-plasma-ready-to-take-on-panasonic-s-best)
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Hands on: Samsung 51F8500 plasma TV review
The LED-lover makes an ambitious though arty attempt at plasma perfection
By Jamie Carter January 10th
(http://cdn4.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net//art/televisions/Samsung/Samsung-51F8500/51F8500-7-580-90.jpg)
(http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net//art/televisions/Samsung/Samsung-51F8500/51F8500-1-580-90.jpg)
(http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net//art/televisions/Samsung/Samsung-51F8500/51F8500-3-580-90.jpg)
Claiming to be as bright as an LED TV and with 40-60% improvement in black level, Samsung's latest F8500 Series is full of surprises.
It's top of the range, it's smart, it's 3D and it's Full HD – and it's downright impossible not to notice among the hundreds of TVs displayed on Samsung's aircraft hangar-like 'booth' at CES 2013.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/plasma-and-lcd-tvs/samsung-51f8500-plasma-tv-1124079/review (http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/plasma-and-lcd-tvs/samsung-51f8500-plasma-tv-1124079/review)
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YouTube/AVForums: Panasonic plasma ZT60
(http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/fRVB74Vcrp4/mqdefault.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRVB74Vcrp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRVB74Vcrp4)
Ganda!
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Nice PQ! But I just hate the plastic bezel. I prefer steel bezel of the VT30.
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Nice PQ! But I just hate the plastic bezel. I prefer steel bezel of the VT30.
Same Here... The steel bezel makes it more appealing...
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Nice. Wait and see if it is true. What is the largest plasma screen size by samsung seems 51 is the biggest?
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Nice. Wait and see if it is true. What is the largest plasma screen size by samsung seems 51 is the biggest?
was looking into sammy plasma before.. i think they have the 64in size.. i dont know if the 2013 models carried over the same size..
but knowing sammy getting their hands deeper in the plasma market, im sure they will cover all sizes imaginable...
26, 35,36,37,40,42, 46,47,50,51,52,55, 60,61, 64, 70,75,80,100 and beyond..
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What is the largest plasma screen size by samsung seems 51 is the biggest?
64 is their biggest. 50 is the most popular size, but no plasma maker should make 50 its biggest size. Considered medium size na lang ang 64 ngayon.
For plasma TVs these days, 50 is the small size; 60 is medium; and 70+ is large. Yung 42? Extra small na lang yon ngayon. The 42 size does not sell well in the US anymore. They still make a few 42 inchers, but only for the lowest-end models.
They can't make it smaller than 42 because it's hard to make smaller-than-42 plasma sizes, since the individual pixels would have to be so small.
The flagship Sammy F8500 exhibited in CES 2013 was a 64 inch plasma. According to the Samsung US site, it will be available in 51", 60" and 64" sizes. Notice that there's no 42 or 43 for that model.
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20345 (http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20345)
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Oh so 64 pala... I hope they continue in making bigger panels. But just a hypothesis most likely the plateau in size would come to around 60 to 70 incher. Why? Space for it at home. The 100 inchers if it becomes available would take a lot of real estate.
As to the stand of the 2013. I wonder why they made it that way. The convexity front and back middle seems ok for table placement. But it seems problematic on wall mounts.
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Grabe... if 50 is the new SMALL size... it would be too big for our bedroom already... maliit lang bahay namin...
also having a 50incher would be risky for my old glass stand which can only carry 42inchers... :D
But if the prices of these plasma units will continue to drop by 2014 why not... imagine a 50incher pana plasma for only 40k? wow... that would be the day :D
Again as technology progresses... im sure prices of "older" units will drop considerably... Just like the 42VT30 selling at 39k last Nov2012...
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Oh so 64 pala... I hope they continue in making bigger panels. But just a hypothesis most likely the plateau in size would come to around 60 to 70 incher. Why? Space for it at home. The 100 inchers if it becomes available would take a lot of real estate.
Sizes are not dictated by the manufacturers. They're dictated by the buyers.
It's all about marketing. If the size doesn't sell, they will stop making it.
As to the stand of the 2013. I wonder why they made it that way. The convexity front and back middle seems ok for table placement. But it seems problematic on wall mounts.
I'm guessing it won't be a problem for wall-mounting. I have a hunch that the stand is removable. Don't attach the stand if you're going to wall-mount.
Me, I don't like the looks of the new stand. Why did they make it that way? Again, it's all about marketing. They wanted a new design that will differentiate the new model from other brands and other models that came before it.
When a design team tries to come up with something new and never-before-seen, sometimes they produce good-looking designs, sometimes they just produce weird-looking ones. Just look at the chicken feet on the high-end 2011 & 2012 Sammy plasmas.
I say it's Panasonic that came up with the best-looking designs for 2013.
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Sizes are not dictated by the manufacturers. They're dictated by the buyers.
It's all about marketing. If the size doesn't sell, they will stop making it.
I agree. They build models that they think will yield the most economic benefit for the company. All the major makers have the capacity to build 100+" models, but a lot are not doing it at the moment because of economic viability. Current LCD fabs allow for 180" panels at a very high cost (they'd probably build them if there is sufficient demand).
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Grabe... if 50 is the new SMALL size... it would be too big for our bedroom already... maliit lang bahay namin...
also having a 50incher would be risky for my old glass stand which can only carry 42inchers... :D
60+ inch-TV shouldn't be a problem even in a small dingy room, just wall-mount it.
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u677/alex_lim1/Untitled-1_zps85db0765.jpg)
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^wahhhhhh....onga no?
Nice clip from AVATAR :D
By the time this type of screen becomes economically available di na uso ang power from meralco... :D libre na from SOLAR CELLS :D ang mahal siguro ng kuryente nyan TV na ganyan :D
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Especially if it's at least 4K. 84 inch 4K Sony at just over 1 meter was still comfortable for me.
60+ inch-TV shouldn't be a problem even in a small dingy room, just wall-mount it.
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Marami lang ang maduduling since of wall to bed distance. hahahaha :)
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Especially if it's at least 4K. 84 inch 4K Sony at just over 1 meter was still comfortable for me.
Agree. the wonders of HD is actually in viewing it up close just at the point where you can't see the screen pixels. For a 1080p, a 42" screen is best viewed just 2-3 ft away. My 29-inch 1080p monitor is just 1 ft away from me. And for a 4k res, an 84" screen would be gorgeous at just 6-ft away.
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Marami lang ang maduduling since of wall to bed distance. hahahaha :)
Well, for me, this is my preferred viewing distance, 3D or not
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u677/alex_lim1/Viewdistance_zpsbe38087a.jpg)
And this would the farthest viewing distance for a 55 incher
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u677/alex_lim1/bedTV_zps619cfbd4.jpg)
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^wahhhhhh....onga no?
Nice clip from AVATAR :D
By the time this type of screen becomes economically available di na uso ang power from meralco... :D libre na from SOLAR CELLS :D ang mahal siguro ng kuryente nyan TV na ganyan :D
yes, it's from Avatar extended.
With a wall to wall TV, this is more likely a 4k or 8k resolution. And I kinda predict such TVs will not be available from appliance stores, but from home builder depots. Because they will be modular wall dividers you install as part of your home building blueprint and will require contractors to install. ;D Power consumption might not be an issue since it could be using more efficient display technologies.
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By the time this type of screen becomes economically available di na uso ang power from meralco... :D libre na from SOLAR CELLS :D ang mahal siguro ng kuryente nyan TV na ganyan :D
By that time, 60 inch OLED na ang uso, hindi na problema ang power consumption.
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magkano kaya ang mga 2013 model plasmas? nakaka-tempt bumili ng Samsung 51E550 ngayon, 48k na lang! :o
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Meron pa bang 42 inch plasma na Full HD available now? Parang puro HD-Ready lang since wala nang VT30 at ST30 for Panny.
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Meron pa bang 42 inch plasma na Full HD available now? Parang puro HD-Ready lang since wala nang VT30 at ST30 for Panny.
Lagi namang merong 42 1080p sa mga low-end series ng Panny plasma.
Kaya lang, sa stocks available now, wala na. Sa 2011 models, sold out na ang 42VT30 and 42ST30. Sa 2012 models, 720p lang ang 42 na ni-release ng Panny Philipines.
Kahit sa soon-to-be-released in the US na 2013 models, meron pa ring 42 1080p: the 42S60.
Ang phased out for 2013 Panny ay ang 720p plasma. Wala nang 720 Panny plasma of any size ngayong 2013.
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I hope they release the ST50 man lang soon here or else I might settle for a Sammy Plasma 43E450 or E5000 LED... :(
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Well, for me, this is my preferred viewing distance, 3D or not
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u677/alex_lim1/Viewdistance_zpsbe38087a.jpg)
Wow really sir? Hindi sumasakit ang ulo ninyo with that distance? Tried it on a 51 incher and got headaches and strained eyes after a few minutes.
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Pareho siguro tayo sir.
Hindi ko sinusunod yung mga distance for maximum immersion. Sa sinehan nga lagi akong nasa likod, around 3rd row from the rear.
Nung nag-aaral ako lagi rin ako sa last row nakaupo... :D
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I tried standing as close as possible on a 4K TV. Limitation lang ng tao is the minimum distance in order to see the entire screen. I think Oks ang experience ng kabayo if it watches on a 4K with its nose touching the screen. Hehehe.
Anyway, I hope 4K goes to down to current 1080p prices in 2-3 years.
Agree. the wonders of HD is actually in viewing it up close just at the point where you can't see the screen pixels. For a 1080p, a 42" screen is best viewed just 2-3 ft away. My 29-inch 1080p monitor is just 1 ft away from me. And for a 4k res, an 84" screen would be gorgeous at just 6-ft away.
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Looks like LG is about to give up on plasma.
For 2013, they only have one 3D model: 60PH6700 (3D active-shutter). Only one model and one size in that series.
Their other series are in the budget category - the PN6700 (1080p, no 3D); and the PN4500 (720p, no 3D).
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LG shows off new version of its PenTouch TV
By Dave LeClair
January 9, 2013
(http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg/lg-pentouch-3.jpg)
(http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg/lg-pentouch.jpg)
http://www.gizmag.com/lg-pentouch-tv/25698/ (http://www.gizmag.com/lg-pentouch-tv/25698/)
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I'm in love with this F8500 series, if i upgrade this year i'll go for the 64 inch. hehehe.. how about the E550 2013 version any news?
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No news yet for the lower-end Sammy plasmas of 2013.
As for the Sammy F8500 plasma, David Mackenzie is impressed:
Samsung Shows F8500 Plasma TV With Near-OLED Picture Quality At CES
By David Mackenzie • Saturday, 12 January 2013, 11:30 am GMT
... In fact, the image quality is close to OLED, featuring the many benefits of plasma display technology, but with dazzling brightness which is out of the ordinary.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-f8500-plasma-tv-201301122576.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-f8500-plasma-tv-201301122576.htm)
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wow..PQ much like an OLED for a plasma price now that's extra ordinary for me.
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YouTube: 2013 Samsung F8500 plasma at CES
From AVForums:
(http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/W1JRGapItGk/default.jpg)
CES 2013: Samsung F8500 Flagship Plasma TV first look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1JRGapItGk&playnext=1&list=PLA0RxFMqmepOQr7vufOJc5_notOhoc41k&feature=results_video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1JRGapItGk&playnext=1&list=PLA0RxFMqmepOQr7vufOJc5_notOhoc41k&feature=results_video)
From Samsung USA:
(http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/QrqI1NX_7Wo/default.jpg)
Plasma F8500 TV Up Close at CES 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrqI1NX_7Wo&list=PLDB967C8C3C00816E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrqI1NX_7Wo&list=PLDB967C8C3C00816E)
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YouTube ---- CnetTV from CES 2013:
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Lnz7Li0RFvA/mqdefault.jpg)
Panasonic's flagship ZT60 is an impressive flat-panel TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnz7Li0RFvA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnz7Li0RFvA)
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if the prices of the flagship Plasma models of Samsung are considerably cheaper than their LED range, that could be the way to go if planning for an upgrade this year ... i would think that the Panasonic would have a more premium price ... wait and see muna ... hopefully towards the end of this year, heavily discounted na
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I wonder how much Samsung's upcoming F series of plasma tvs are gonna cost. ::)
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im excited about this F8500 series and sir raptor samsung plasma(flagship) are always cheaper than their LED(flagship) counterpart.
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im excited about this F8500 series and sir raptor samsung plasma(flagship) are always cheaper than their LED(flagship) counterpart.
Ayos lang ang presyo ng mga Samsung flagship plasmas, not too expensive.
In 3 years, my next plasma will be a Samsung flagship 60. Ang baba kasi nila mag presyo, no need to wait for price drops on obsolete models.
Unbeatable na talaga ang Koreans ngayon.
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you are right sir barrister their flagship plasma is not to expensive and would love to have a 64inch. f8500 hehe..
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Nice sneek peaks.... from 32 now 51... next is 60 or 70 incher for my next tv. hehehe
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magkano kaya ang 64 incher series 8(E) plasma 2012? kasi with that info i guess we could estimate how much is the 64F8500. i like the 64 inch becoz as they say lalo gumanda ang blacks pag malaki ang screen.
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Estimate ko around P160K for the 2013 64F8500.
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Estimate ko around P160K for the 2013 64F8500.
if they can get rid of those features that has nothing to do about picture quality maybe tv could be less than 160k but hey everything should be connected to the grid nowadays, i'm just saying hehehe..
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Marketing strategy talaga yon sir.
Gusto nila may incentive para gumastos ka ng mas malaki. Kung cheap lang ang gusto mo, bigyan ka nila ng less features, pero low-end panel. Kung gusto mo ng high-end panel, kailangan higher-end model para better panel, pero mapipilitan kang bayaran din ang features na hindi mo naman kailangan.
Kahit sa ibang items ganon din. Gusto ko high-power, high-current 5.1 AV Receiver. Pero ang 5.1 AVR, puro low-powered. Napipilitan akong bumili ng higher-powered 7.1 AVR, kahit useless sa akin ang extra 2 channels. So napuwersa nila akong gumastos sa hindi ko kailangan na feature. Ganon talaga ang marketing e.
Pero mura pa rin ang P160K kung 64 inch flagship model for 2013.
Ang Panny, may nakita akong 60UT50 sa Listening in Style. Price: P160K. Low-end 2012 1080p model lang nila yon, 3 series lower than their flagship series (Panny 2012 models are VT50, GT50, ST50 and UT50), and 60 inch panel lang.
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overpriced ang panasonic phil.?
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overpriced ang panasonic phil.?
Prices are OK for the low-end 720p plasmas.
- They have the low-end 720p 42X50, 50X50 and 50XT50. But I didn't want them because they're terrible TVs.
- I wanted a 50UT50. Panny Phils. doesn't have it. But they do have a 60UT50, overpriced at P160K (US List price is only $1,799.99 [P73,133.49]).
- I wanted a 50ST50. Panny Phils. doesn't have it. But they do have a 65ST50. 65 is too big for me, and it's overpriced at around P230K+ (US List price is only $2,999.95 [P121,887.78]).
In other words, Panny Phils. doesn't have the TVs I want, but has the TVs I don't want.
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Compare with Samsung Phils.
2012 51E550: US list price is $1,199.99 (P48,755.52). Local price is now around P48K+.
Not bad at all.
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oo nga ano why cant pana phils do that! :(
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I'm looking forward to the availability of the Samsung 51F8500 later this year. ;) as for Panasonic, di na ako aasa na maging available ang mid to high-end models ng plasma nila. >:(
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Hope the new models roll in so the older ones can go on sale 8)
Dapat LED TV upgrade pero ganda ng prices ng plasma 50 inchers. I like their black levels to boot.
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Panasonic USA website, available for pre-order:
2013 S60: 42", 50", 55", 60",65";
2013 ST60: 50", 55", 60", 65"
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/viera-televisions-viera-plasma-hdtvs?selectedTopNavId=nav1 (http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/viera-televisions-viera-plasma-hdtvs?selectedTopNavId=nav1)
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Panasonic USA website, available for pre-order:
2013 S60: 42", 50", 55", 60",65";
2013 ST60: 50", 55", 60", 65"
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/viera-televisions-viera-plasma-hdtvs?selectedTopNavId=nav1 (http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/viera-televisions-viera-plasma-hdtvs?selectedTopNavId=nav1)
Ayyy how I wished this was in the Philippines.... Not gonna happen.. hahahaha
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It's almost the middle of March and there is yet no real news in Tokyo as regards 2013 Plasma models. Even the latest Mar-Apr 2013 catalogue still shows the 5/50 series of 2012. The only confirmed new model is that of DT60 which is an LED HDTV with sleek and slim glass & metal design.
Nothing interesting to check out at the Panasonic display areas at the moment.
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It's almost the middle of March and there is yet no real news in Tokyo as regards 2013 Plasma models. Even the latest Mar-Apr 2013 catalogue still shows the 5/50 series of 2012. The only confirmed new model is that of DT60 which is an LED HDTV with sleek and slim glass & metal design.
Nothing interesting to check out at the Panasonic display areas at the moment.
bro ano ba ang usual time of year nagkakaroon/naglalabas ng bagong models?
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Announced in January-February, actually available in store by March. I bought my last 2 plasmas both in March nung bagong bagong luto pa sila. Every year ganon ang Panasonic Plasma ever since I became interested in it. So this year is really odd - (bad) signs of the times.
bro ano ba ang usual time of year nagkakaroon/naglalabas ng bagong models?
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Compare the wattages of Plasma, LED, LCD's. Lakas sa kuryente Plasmas.
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I got to see a Samsung 51E450 on display at Glorietta 1 earlier. for some reason, it "wowed" me more than the Samsung LED tvs. ::) :P
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Compare the wattages of Plasma, LED, LCD's. Lakas sa kuryente Plasmas.
and?
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Alam naman ng mga plasma owners na mas malakas sa kuryente ang plasma.
Pero ayaw pa rin nila ng LCD/LED.
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Alam naman ng mga plasma owners na mas malakas sa kuryente ang plasma.
Pero ayaw pa rin nila ng LCD/LED.
ika-nga ni Clondalkin, isang happy meal lang sa mcdo ang real world additional cost sa bill :)
btw bro 2014 ba or 2015 ang target year for upgrade mo sa samsung mo? :)
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mukhang mapapa-plasma ako this year. out of reach masyado ang gusto kong Full HD 3D projector (Pana AE7k/8K) at di available ang gusto kong Full HD projector (Pana AR100).
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First quarter of 2013 is almost finished hence, the VT50 and/or ST50 should be arriving in the Philippines in the next 2-3 quarters? ;D ;D ;D.
What's new sa Samsung Plasmas? I know they are building huge facilities for LED manufacturing in China right now, and they bought 3% of Sharp - but that's also LED.
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the Panasonic 42XT50 is selling at Sights & Sounds for a very tempting price of 24k! (no free glasses) :o
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the Panasonic ST50 and VT50 series plasma tvs are slowly becoming available in our market! :D
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the Panasonic ST50 and VT50 series plasma tvs are slowly becoming available in our market! :D
i rather go for the samsung's f8500 plasma coz its 2013 model then exciting yung mga features sa f8500 parang oled daw ang PQ.
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Sana magkaroon na uli ng full HD 42" plasma sa market ...
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the Panasonic ST50 and VT50 series plasma tvs are slowly becoming available in our market! :D
Do they have the vertical banding issue?
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Do they have the vertical banding issue?
atty sinubukan kong pansinin parang wala naman, but i think you need to bring your own testing material, I saw the ST50 in Ansons and the PQ was great. kung may vertical banding man yung unit na nakita ko, while watching the demo of Lorax hindi halata. but i have not seen an ST50 below 65" though...kaya its quite pricey at 200k me thinks.
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SnS has the 60ST50 and the 65VT50 available. I hope they bring in the 51" variants of each model series. ::)
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atty sinubukan kong pansinin parang wala naman, but i think you need to bring your own testing material, I saw the ST50 in Ansons and the PQ was great. kung may vertical banding man yung unit na nakita ko, while watching the demo of Lorax hindi halata. but i have not seen an ST50 below 65" though...kaya its quite pricey at 200k me thinks.
If it's a 65 inch, pareho rin last year.
I saw a 65ST50 (P200K+) and a 60UT50 (P160K) sa Listening Shang last year. Naka-off nga lang yung 65ST50. Pero naka-on 60UT50, Captain America ang demo, I also did not notice vertical banding. Although the banding will probably be visible on the right video material.
SnS has the 60ST50 and the 65VT50 available. I hope they bring in the 51" variants of each model series. ::)
42 and 50 are the best-selling sizes. I don't know why they insist on selling 60 and 65... :P
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Hot off the press: Panasonic may end plasma HDTV production soon (http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/17/nikkei-panasonic-may-end-plasma-hdtv-production-soon/)
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So for now ... let's enjoy and take care of our plasma TV ... There are possibilities it will be our last plasma TV ... wag naman sana idiscontinued ng Panasonic :(
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Hot off the press: Panasonic may end plasma HDTV production soon (http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/17/nikkei-panasonic-may-end-plasma-hdtv-production-soon/)
dislike! :(
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Panasonic TX-P50ST60 Review
Panasonic ST60, A New Reference!
Published: March 18, 2013 12:05 PM
By Pierre-Jean Alzieu / Rémi Jacquet
Translated by: Catherine Barraclough
(http://img1.digitalversus.com/produits/60/15316/panasonic-tx-p60st60_1362741884_200x200.jpg)
Apart from its revamped design and graphic interface, the Panasonic ST60 doesn't really improve on 2012's ST50. Still, it's a five-star TV and an excellent choice for home-cinema set-ups.
http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/panasonic-tx-p50st60-p15314/test.html (http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/panasonic-tx-p50st60-p15314/test.html)
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Looks like its confirmed:
http://www.whathifi.com/news/panasonic-set-to-pull-out-of-plasma-tvs (http://www.whathifi.com/news/panasonic-set-to-pull-out-of-plasma-tvs)
Hot off the press: Panasonic may end plasma HDTV production soon (http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/17/nikkei-panasonic-may-end-plasma-hdtv-production-soon/)
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Hot off the press: Panasonic may end plasma HDTV production soon (http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/17/nikkei-panasonic-may-end-plasma-hdtv-production-soon/)
will have to hold off other planned purchases, ipon as early as now for a 60" plasma. :(
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1-3 year plan naman yon so you have 2-4 years pa para makabili ng plasma - whatever is the latest by then. Then meron pang delay na 1 year ang Manila so it can extend to 3-5 years. They might as well stop with the 60 series and keep on selling that model for the next 3 to 4 years.
If Tokyo is awarded the 2020 Summer Olympics, I wonder what HDTV Panasonic will showcase then? Panasonic have always been a major sponsor of that huge event.
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Sa akin, OK lang.
Maganda naman ang mga LED ngayon, not like the early LCD releases with terrible picture quality. At the same time, dumami naman ang issues ng mga bagong plasma.
So, ayos lang yan. Let's look forward to even better LEDs and consumer OLEDs in the future.
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Sa akin, OK lang.
Maganda naman ang mga LED ngayon, not like the early LCD releases with terrible picture quality. At the same time, dumami naman ang issues ng mga bagong plasma.
So, ayos lang yan. Let's look forward to even better LEDs and consumer OLEDs in the future.
giving up already bro? :)
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No, plasma pa rin ako sir. Ang sinasabi ko lang ay hindi na ako masyadong malulungkot pag nawala ang plasma. ;)
Ang LED ko, pang cable TV and small media files lang. Pero ang plasma ko, pang BD and large media files.
Happy naman ako sa Sammy plasma.
Malaki pa rin ang pag-asa ng plasma sa Samsung. It's a company that wants to be everywhere, so it's likely that Sammy will not give up on plasma soon. With all the money Sammy has, supporting plasma is going to be easy for them to do.
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Ninj, your VT30 is good for at least 5 years. Within that time frame, you should still be able to find the last great Panasonic Plasma, or, the greatest Samsung Plasma by then. Then we all switch to OLED or whatever is there on the following decade. LED wont be able to reach the picture characteristics of Plasma.
giving up already bro? :)
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Hello mga sir,
Baka sakali lang po. Paano po malalaman ung no. of hours sa unit ng Panasonic Plasma po? Preferably 2012 models or kahit older.
Di ko po kasi makita sa brochure or sa web. Thanks po and God bless to all.
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I hear that the Samsung 43F4000 is already available at Sights & Sounds for 24800. (not that I'm interested to buy one. ::) :P)
I think the real pick of Samsung's 2013 plasma tv lineup will be the F5000 series.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1357832580 (http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1357832580)
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Ninj, your VT30 is good for at least 5 years. Within that time frame, you should still be able to find the last great Panasonic Plasma, or, the greatest Samsung Plasma by then. Then we all switch to OLED or whatever is there on the following decade. LED wont be able to reach the picture characteristics of Plasma.
i sure hope i can still snatch a 65". sana mayaman nako at that time para ma afford ko na ;D
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i sure hope i can still snatch a 65". sana mayaman nako at that time para ma afford ko na ;D
sa price ng 65" plasma, mag Full HD 3D PJ ka na lang! :P
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sa price ng 65" plasma, mag Full HD 3D PJ ka na lang! :P
not in my current room, besides PJ will stay for a long while. by that time mainstream PJs will be using LED already :)
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I'm looking forward to this variant of Samsung's 2013 plasma tvs:
the Samsung 51F5500
http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/samsung-plasma-tv/samsung-pn51f5500.html (http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/samsung-plasma-tv/samsung-pn51f5500.html)
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@all
worth it pa rin ba bilhin ang 42ST30 ngayon? meron pa as Listen Up for 32k cash. ::)
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@all
worth it pa rin ba bilhin ang 42ST30 ngayon? meron pa as Listen Up for 32k cash. ::)
mura na yan
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@all
worth it pa rin ba bilhin ang 42ST30 ngayon? meron pa as Listen Up for 32k cash. ::)
Yes.
65 inch lang yata ang available sa ST50. So kung gusto mo ng latest available 42 Panny plasma, ayos yan.
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Yes.
65 inch lang yata ang available sa ST50. So kung gusto mo ng latest available 42 Panny plasma, ayos yan.
60 inch sa ST50, 65 inch sa VT50 ang available locally.
mukhang good deal nga yung 42ST30 sa Listen Up. even compared sa 42XT50!
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Ano ulit nangyari sa interest mo sa VT30 last year? I have 2 relatives na hindi ko ma convince last year to also get the VT30 na dahil isip isip pa raw muna. They have been desperately looking for one since Feb. Oh well.
I would just wait for 2013 model Samsung or 2012 Panasonic if I were you.
@all
worth it pa rin ba bilhin ang 42ST30 ngayon? meron pa as Listen Up for 32k cash. ::)
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the samsung's f8500 is making a lot of noise from the early owners of this TV and it's like watching porn in their thread lol...
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463454/official-samsung-pnxxf8500-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463454/official-samsung-pnxxf8500-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk)
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A very bright plasma from Samsung. I really like that!!!
the samsung's f8500 is creating making a lot of noise from the early owners of this TV and it's like watching porn in their thread lol...
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463454/official-samsung-pnxxf8500-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463454/official-samsung-pnxxf8500-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk)
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I would just wait for 2013 model Samsung or 2012 Panasonic if I were you.
I was also thinking the same. the 2013 model Samsung plasma tvs will be available by April, according to SnS. I'm looking forward to the 51F5500. :)
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im excited about the 64 incher f8500 and i hope the SRP will be just around 160k.
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Magkano po ang TX-P42ST30 without glasses?
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Magkano po ang TX-P42ST30 without glasses?
lol..still living in 2011 sir?
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lol..still living in 2011 sir?
That's mean.
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around 32K po
try nyo po sa Listening Up Glorietta(818-5904)
or Listening Room sa Megamall, not sure if may stock pa sila ngaun.
pinaka budget-friendly na neo-plasma. ;)
Magkano po ang TX-P42ST30 without glasses?
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ano ba ok na plasma ngayon 1st quarter 2013 mga 50"
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ano ba ok na plasma ngayon mga 50"
Samsung 51E550 at Panasonic 50VT30 (kung may mahanap ka pa).
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Samsung 51E550 at Panasonic 50VT30 (kung may mahanap ka pa).
ung vt30 hindi yata full hd
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luma na pala ung vt30
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Available at amazon:
Samsung PN51F8500
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BCPGOD4/ref=twister_B00BCPGZOM?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BCPGOD4/ref=twister_B00BCPGZOM?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Samsung PN51F5300
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN51F5300-51-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00BCPGNF8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365639314&sr=8-1&keywords=Samsung+f5300 (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN51F5300-51-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00BCPGNF8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365639314&sr=8-1&keywords=Samsung+f5300)
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Plasma at Samsung USA --- 4 new models for 2013 posted:
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/plasma-tv (http://www.samsung.com/us/video/plasma-tv)
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Mukhang ok po yung PN51F5300.
may 3D version po ba yan? mga magkano kaya yan dito?
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ung vt30 hindi yata full hd
Full HD ang Pana VT30. but yes, luma na nga cya. (2011 model)
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Full HD ang Pana VT30. but yes, luma na nga cya. (2011 model)
may balita na ba sa st50?
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zt60 or vt60(65) or bust.
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may balita na ba sa st50?
meron na locally available: 60ST50.
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meron na locally available: 60ST50.
laki naman
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Medyo mahal yung 60ST50. Pwede ka bumili ng 6 na 50x50 sa price niya. While 50X50 is the lower model, ganda nung value for money niya.
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saw a 65 inch st 30 at cardinal audio going for 150000.
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Long live Panasonic plasma tvs!
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/04/panasonic-will-continue-to-produce-plasma-tvs/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews (http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/04/panasonic-will-continue-to-produce-plasma-tvs/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews)
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Long live Panasonic plasma tvs!
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/04/panasonic-will-continue-to-produce-plasma-tvs/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews (http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/04/panasonic-will-continue-to-produce-plasma-tvs/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews)
ahh good news.Here hoping they continue to produce panels until OLED becomes cheaper.
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Magkano kaya magiging price ng 51F5500 sir? May nakita ako sa SM Appliance Davao kahapon, 51F4900 @ Php 48,900. 50k lang budget ko.
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Magkano kaya magiging price ng 51F5500 sir? May nakita ako sa SM Appliance Davao kahapon, 51F4900 @ Php 48,900. 50k lang budget ko.
ang mahal sa SM Appliance! yung 51E550, 49k sa Sights & Sounds. (no freebies) yun lang, nasa Manila ang SnS. ::)
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Actually yung 51E550 ang hinahanap ko sir. Kaya lang out of stock na daw. Phased out na kasi. Yung 51F4900 na ang featured display nila at wala nang ibang E series models. Bagong dating daw ang unit. Di pa nga raw sila nabi-brief sa features ng TV. Yung successor sana ng 51E550 ang gusto ko. Wala pa daw ibang stock ng F series. Kaya lang parang out of budget na ako para dun. 48,900 na yung 51F4900 eh.
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Actually yung 51E550 ang hinahanap ko sir. Kaya lang out of stock na daw. Phased out na kasi. Yung 51F4900 na ang featured display nila at wala nang ibang E series models. Bagong dating daw ang unit. Di pa nga raw sila nabi-brief sa features ng TV. Yung successor sana ng 51E550 ang gusto ko. Wala pa daw ibang stock ng F series. Kaya lang parang out of budget na ako para dun. 48,900 na yung 51F4900 eh.
pm mo si E-Reply (Sights & Sounds). alam ko pwede silang mag-ship at the buyer's expense.
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i just saw the latest Samsung Plasma top of the line model PN64F8500, and its super nice. i didnt get to compare it side by side sa VT30 but i get the impression na the VT30 still has a blacker black, but the Sammy has all the belss and whistles.
also the design of the TV is very elegant. ampanger kasi ng bezel ng VT30.
I am yet to see a VT50 or VT60.
Price wise, the 64" Samsung has a tag price of 4.4k AUD while the 65" VT30 (very old model) sells for 3.4k
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Are the 2012 Panny plasmas (outside of the ST50) even available in the Philippines?
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Any reviews for the panny 42XT50? Considering buying this...
Panny 42XT50 or yung Sammy na PS43E490? Help guys/gals... O0
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Panasonic 55VT60:
Panasonic TC-PVT60 series review:
This plasma picture finally challenges Kuro
(http://www.hdfever.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/CES-2013-Photo-TC-P55VT60-Cam-Front-597x395.jpg)
If you want ultradeep blacks on your TV screen -- and that's what we all should want, since they're the chief ingredient in amazing home theater picture quality -- you'll find them in the Panasonic VT60. This TV beats the Samsung F8500 in terms of black level, although it can't match that panel for image brightness. But in a dim to dark room, the kind in which you'll want to watch any good TV to best appreciate its picture quality, the VT60 wins -- it gets plenty bright enough for most rooms, and that much darker. Colors are a little more vivid on the Panasonic, and flesh tones are healthier looking than the Samsung can muster.
Of the six TVs in our comparison lineup, it was really a two-horse race between the Panasonic VT60 and the Pioneer Elite Kuro 111FD. While the Pioneer did some things better, the Panasonic had a more impressive picture overall due to its slightly deeper black levels and better shadow detail. So in a way, despite the fact that it's the ZT60 Panasonic is touting as a Kuro-killer, the less expensive VT60 is actually the first TV we've tested to outperform our in-house Kuro.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55vt60/4505-6482_7-35567332.html (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55vt60/4505-6482_7-35567332.html)
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wow! Pana finally matched Pio's Kuro after... 4 years? and this is not even the ZT60!
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Unfortunately i can only drool on this VT60 for 2 reasons, for a 55 or 60inch this could cost you around 230k to 250k uber expensive for a salaried paid AV enthusiast lol.. and 2ndly it's availibility here in our shores if you can afford one.
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Kung naniwala kayong super bargain yung 50VT30 for 60K and took advantage of that chance, then you wont have to drool for a VT60 or VT50 for the next 3-5 years...and by that time, the VT60 should be 60K na rin. hehehe
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Tama. By that time, 60K na lang ang VT60.
Pero drool pa rin. Bakit? Kasi by that time, OLED na ang uso... :D
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Between a 60K VT60 and an OLED, I would choose the VT60 unless perhaps it's a 60K 4K OLED.
Sabi ko rin sa Misis ko, if Panasonic quits Plasma, I would buy the last ZT or VT model for bargain and tago muna in its box in case buhay na buhay pa yung V2 ko. hehehe.
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Between a 60K VT60 and an OLED, I would choose the VT60 unless perhaps it's a 60K 4K OLED.
Sabi ko rin sa Misis ko, if Panasonic quits Plasma, I would buy the last ZT or VT model for bargain and tago muna in its box in case buhay na buhay pa yung V2 ko. hehehe.
Nice :D
Open it after 5 years... :D
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Kung naniwala kayong super bargain yung 50VT30 for 60K and took advantage of that chance, then you wont have to drool for a VT60 or VT50 for the next 3-5 years...and by that time, the VT60 should be 60K na rin. hehehe
Yeah... that would be a really great bargain... a 60K 50Vt30...
Sayang walang extra funds to get the 50 incher back in Oct 2012...
I guess I'll have to be content with my Mini Vt30 :D
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hmmm... the smallest VT60 is a 55" and it has an SRP of $2,599.99! :o
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hmmm... the smallest VT60 is a 55" and it has an SRP of $2,599.99! :o
mura lang multiply to current exchange should be around 104k PHP excluding taxes but how come d2 sa pinas times two ang price? lol...
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Nice :D
Open it after 5 years... :D
open it after 5yrs. well by that time already mainstream na ang 4k@60hz content and 1080/24p is ugly to look at nah, lol...
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Panasonic 55ST60:
Panasonic TC-PST60 series review:
Affordable TV with amazing picture quality
By David Katzmaier
Review Date: 4/12/13
(http://www.avforums.com/forums/attachments/ces-consumer-electronics-show-2013/364956d1357587040-full-panasonic-2013-plasma-line-up-detailed-st_photo.jpg)
The good: The Panasonic TC-PST60 series has a reasonable price, an incredibly good picture quality with exceedingly deep black levels, great shadow detail, accurate colors, solid bright-room performance, and superb off-angle and uniformity characteristics; it also features sleek styling with metal accents, plenty of Smart TV content, and includes two pairs of 3D glasses.
The bad: Worse 3D quality compared with many competing TVs; not as suited to extremely bright rooms as some LCD models; consumes more power than LCD TVs.
The bottom line: The midlevel price and outstanding quality of the Panasonic TC-PST60 series make it our strongest TV recommendation ever.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55st60/4505-6482_7-35567256.html (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55st60/4505-6482_7-35567256.html)
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UK review, Panasonic 60ZT65 (60ZT60 in the U.S.):
Panasonic TX-P60ZT65B Plasma TV
By David Mackenzie
6 May 2013
Verdict: Reference Level
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Panasonic-TXP60ZT65/tx-p60zt65b.jpg)
We’ve analysed several outstanding HDTVs in our time, and that has especially been the case in the last few months, where we’ve been treated to an onslaught of plasma televisions that are all phenomenal in one way or another. You can’t go wrong with any of them, but weighed up subjectively, the strengths of the TXP60ZT65B arguably do make it the best HDTV we’ve ever tested. Of course that doesn’t mean it’s perfect: if you don’t like Panasonic’s approach to panel driving (which, in our opinion, is a great balance between smooth, clean images and sufficient, but not total suppression of false contouring during motion) then you still won’t like the ZT. The same goes if you just flat out do not like plasma displays. We believe that the vast majority of viewers will be wowed by the picture quality of a calibrated TXP60ZT65, though.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-txp60zt65b-201305062961.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-txp60zt65b-201305062961.htm)
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Ay naku....Panasonic Philippines....magkakaroon ba dito at a good price????
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Aren't they going to have a change in management soon?
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Ay naku....Panasonic Philippines....magkakaroon ba dito at a good price????
Just from looking at the previous years, I doubt the ZT will come here. The best model Panasonic will bring will probably be the st60. Reviews say it has very good black levels but mediocre amounts of lag, bad for gaming.
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60 inch:
Samsung F8500 Review
By Lee Neikirk
April 12, 2013
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Samsung-PS64F8500/ps64f8500.jpg)
That may sound like effusive praise, but it's the truth. Within the realm of picture quality, Samsung's F8500 is absolutely awesome. The brightness this plasma achieves is worth praise alone, but its deep black levels and the accuracy of its colors are solid gold stamps, branding it as the current TV to beat.
We've been very impressed with plasma tech this year: Panasonic's S60 and VT60 series hit unspeakable black levels, and each 2013 plasma has come within just a few decimal points of perfectly matching the international standard for HDTV color. The F8500's contrast ratio (over 10,000:1) is unlike almost any TV we've reviewed before, and may just surpass the legendary Kuro in its staggering black/white differentiation.
http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/samsung-f8500-review-2 (http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/samsung-f8500-review-2)
64 inch:
Samsung PS64F8500 Plasma TV Review
By David Mackenzie
1 May 2013
On the whole, we were very happy indeed with the PS-64F8500′s performance. It produces outstanding picture quality with extreme contrast performance (deep blacks and very bright whites) commonly only seen on prototype OLED TVs, which will have astronomical price tags when they finally become available at this screen size (hell, given the constantly missed shipping dates for OLED panels, maybe we should be saying “IF they become available at this screen size”). Its greyscale, gamma and colour accuracy are all first-rate, and its handling of SD content is the industry’s best – and it’s here now.
It isn’t entirely free of quirks, however, and while those mean we can’t technically label the PS64F8500 a “reference level” product, please do keep in mind that it’s only a hair’s breadth away. We have a hard time imagining the few small issues we found being deal-breakers for too many people, especially when you consider the image quality and value for money on offer. The improvements which Samsung have been making to their plasmas in recent years are astonishing, and that’s before you consider the rate the improvements have been coming at. In fact, by promoting largely the bright whites, but being quieter about the incredibly deep blacks, Samsung have underpromised and overdelivered with this display.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps64f8500-201305012945.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps64f8500-201305012945.htm)
60 inch:
Samsung PNF8500 review: Power-packed plasma shines brighter
Review Date: 5/01/13
By David Katzmaier
The F8500 deserves a spot in the upper echelon of TVs you can buy, and in a bright room it's the best plasma I've ever seen. In moderate rooms, it doesn't quite match up to the picture quality of the like-priced Panasonic TC-PVT60 series, and while I'd say it's a superior performer to the ST60 by a nose, they both earn the same 9 rating in this section.
This plasma manages to combine exceedingly deep black levels with the potential for whites brighter than any other high-performance plasma available. Color accuracy is superb, if not quite reference level, and of course it exhibits the perfect off-angle and picture uniformity characteristics of the breed. Its video processing unfortunately requires you to make a choice between correct 1080p/24 film cadence and the deepest black levels, however, something you won't have to do with other TVs. One tertiary weakness is sound quality, while its 3D picture quality, aided again by superior light output, was outstanding.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn60f8500/4505-6482_7-35566923.html (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn60f8500/4505-6482_7-35566923.html)
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Wow nice links.... How about the mid level plasmas like the 51E550 counterparts?
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51E550 equivalent for 2013 is 51F5500. No expert reviews yet, since the experts are not too interested in lower end models.
There's one review at plasmatvbuyingguide, but it's a chump's review for the average consumer. Definitely not for enthusiasts:
http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/samsung-plasma-tv/samsung-pn51f5500.html (http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/samsung-plasma-tv/samsung-pn51f5500.html)
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Any bigger size sir barrister for the F550 series?
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if you guys are interested here the value electronics HD tv shoot. best place to know which brand is the best.
competion this year is between the Panasonic ZT 60 and the samsung 8500
:
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/632436/hdtvshootout (http://new.livestream.com/accounts/632436/hdtvshootout)
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Any bigger size sir barrister for the F550 series?
You mean F5500? Sizes are 51, 60 & 64.
Local release will probably be 51 only, since the E550 of 2012 was available in 51" size only.
If you plan to buy an import, avoid the 60 and go straight to the 64. They say the 60 is PenTile matrix again, same as the 60E550.
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Sorry sir not familiar with the Pentile matrix.
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PenTile is a Samsung display matrix scheme. Instead of the true red-blue-green subpixel scheme in a 1080p panel, it uses a red-green-blue-green subpixel scheme.
That's not more subpixels, that's actually fewer subpixels. For every 2 pixels, Pentile has RGBG, instead of RGBRGB, giving you only 4 subpixels instead of the normal 6 subpixels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family)
See specs on the E550 plasma. It's clearly indicated that the 51 and 64 inchers are Full HD, while the 60 incher has a PenTile panel.
http://ramsaysmarthomes.ca/info/Samsung%202012%20Panel%20Chart.pdf (http://ramsaysmarthomes.ca/info/Samsung%202012%20Panel%20Chart.pdf)
The footnote reads:
*Samsung’s Pentile Panel reproduces FHD-like experience utilizing sub-pixel rendering technology, making it 40% energy efficient over last year’s 59" comparable model.
Samsung describes PenTile as "Full HD-like," impliedly admitting that it is not Full HD.
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Any feedbacks for the Panasonic XT50? 3D na rin pala yun.
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Saw a Samsung f5000 plasma TV the other day. Price is decent any feedback for the said model?
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Saw a Samsung f5000 plasma TV the other day. Price is decent any feedback for the said model?
where did you see that Samsung F5000 plasma? this model is very new. I haven't seen any review for this model yet.
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Given the above feedback from Barrister, it looks to me like the 2013 Samsung plasmas will most likely be the more readily accessible products to pinoys in the coming months.
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where did you see that Samsung F5000 plasma? this model is very new. I haven't seen any review for this model yet.
Saw it in Abenson
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Saw it in Abenson
I better visit an Abenson's branch soon! :D
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Saw it in Abenson
how much was the F5000 plasma?
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how much was the F5000 plasma?
47k
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47k
forgot to ask, is that the 51-inch model?
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i dont think its a plasma he's talking about, looks like he was referring to an LED/LCD tv na series 5, 46 inch.
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i dont think its a plasma he's talking about, looks like he was referring to an LED/LCD tv na series 5, 46 inch.
It's plasma and I'm sure about that. Size is 51in
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shud have been F550 sir not F5000..the 2012 model was E550 full 1080pHD, 3D Smart Capability and the price of that thing was around 64k when it 1st came out in the market. then u said 47k for a brandnew F5000 plasma well maybe its not full 1080P HD and dont have Smart features but only 3D.
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shud have been F550 sir not F5000..the 2012 model was E550 full 1080pHD, 3D Smart Capability and the price of that thing was around 64k when it 1st came out in the market. then u said 47k for a brandnew F5000 plasma well maybe its not full 1080P HD and dont have Smart features but only 3D.
It's full hd but doesn't have 3d capabilities.
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The said 5000 model is Exclusive in Abensons (sabi ng manager na lumapit sakin).
I was considering this model as well. SRP is 49,000.
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Saw today this Samsung Plasma 51F5000 full HD model at Abenson Robinson Place, Manila. It's currently promo priced at P44,997.00 plus free Samsung LEDTV 28F4000. Looks like a good deal!
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I just saw the Samsung Plasma PS51F5500 at 65K (or 5.5K/mo) for 12 mos
Makikitanong na rin lang, I hope Im still on topic. I saw another deal which caught my attention but its a LED TV (Panasonic L55DT50) slightly expensive at 8.6K/mo. I hope you dont mind me asking if which would be a better value, given that I only watch MKV files and NBA games. Im not updated with the current technologies and my current TV is the Panasonic 42PV8 purchased 4-5 years ago, so what I dont know wont hurt me, right. :-) Anyway, my only concern is no motion blur during hard panning, thus I only looked at the plasmas.
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The said 5000 model is Exclusive in Abensons (sabi ng manager na lumapit sakin).
I was considering this model as well. SRP is 49,000.
I see. kaya siguro walang makuha si SnS na F5000 plasma.
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Meron pa kayang available na Full HD Plasma na 42"lang? I saw the F4500 and F5000 side by side and the full HD siempre has a smoother look - unlike the F4500/4900 wherein the "grids" are more noticeable. I find the 51" a bit big for my viewing distance of 4 feet away. Unless I'd settle for a 40F6300 led tv...
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Meron pa kayang available na Full HD Plasma na 42"lang? I saw the F4500 and F5000 side by side and the full HD siempre has a smoother look - unlike the F4500/4900 wherein the "grids" are more noticeable. I find the 51" a bit big for my viewing distance of 4 feet away. Unless I'd settle for a 40F6300 led tv...
try visiting Listen Up in Glorietta. I think they still have their Panasonic 42ST30 demo unit.
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I hope they have NOS (new old stock) na walang defect...2 PDVDers have PMd me the serial nos. of 2 defective units months ago kasi...;)
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Meron pa kayang available na Full HD Plasma na 42"lang? I saw the F4500 and F5000 side by side and the full HD siempre has a smoother look - unlike the F4500/4900 wherein the "grids" are more noticeable. I find the 51" a bit big for my viewing distance of 4 feet away. Unless I'd settle for a 40F6300 led tv...
Unless cost is your concern I don't think your TV can ever be too big. :) I have a 51" and I often watch from 4' away.
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Unless cost is your concern I don't think your TV can ever be too big. :) I have a 51" and I often watch from 4' away.
agree ... first big TV i bought was 29-inch JVC flat screen - when it was delivered at home i thought it was too big ... years later i thought it was too small, so got the 42-inch plasma which i thought was again too big ... now i want a bigger one :)
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And I'd like to add that if I didn't find the cost per inch too expensive, I'd get a 60" or even a 65". ;D
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And I'd like to add that if I didn't find the cost per inch too expensive, I'd get a 60" or even a 65". ;D
bang for buck ang plasma when it comes to cost per inch! ;)
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It's currently promo priced at P44,997.00 plus free Samsung LEDTV 28F4000
ayos yan ah, i'm eyeing the 28F4000 pa naman... maganda din pang Monitor kasi eh...
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just saw the 64F8500 sa samsung concept store dito sa cebu, ang gandaaaaaaaaaaaaaa talaga, 219k php ang SRP. i really love the body design its an all metal frame tapos parang LED nga yung light output nya ang ganda talaga ng PQ it was seated beside its LED counterpart the 64F8000 but that plasma's PQ easily outgun F8000 hehehe... i was thingking that my next upgrade wud be an LED until i saw this F8500 in action lol...
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I've seen the 65VT60 in one of the Electronic stores here in Melb, ang layo ng price sa Samsung 64F8500 plasma:
65VT60: 4,990Aud or approx. 202,000pesos
64F8500: 3,490Aud or approx. 142,000pesos
they were several feet apart, Samsung was playing one of it Demo clips, the Panasonic was playing avatar (not a good test material), ang ganda ng Samsung!
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65vt60 dito sa pinas is around 260k php and the 64f8500 is 219k php wat a big difference..i go for F8500 coz my room is not as dark as a bat cave and besides F8500 body frame is meant to be seen in the 1st place lol...
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any local price info on 51 and 60-inch F8500 series? $1,898 and $2,798 ang price respectively from Amazon ... roughly PhP 81k+ and PhP 120k+ kung convert sa peso
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65vt60 dito sa pinas is around 260k php and the 64f8500 is 219k php wat a big difference..i go for F8500 coz my room is not as dark as a bat cave and besides F8500 body frame is meant to be seen in the 1st place lol...
bro maganda ang anti reflective film (dont know the correct term) ng V series ng panasonic
Nag post na si bro clondalkin ng pics nun dito halos wala na. Sa akin lumang version na vt30 wala rin halos
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@ninja - vt60 is not good for rooms that has moderate ambient lights such as mine, anyway i'll wait till early next year for the 64F8500 price to settle down to a level w/c i can afford. there's no tv in the market that can change my mind not to get this 64F8500...fix na ako dito, I WANT THIS TV weeehhh.....
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i was at Cash and Carry earlier, not sure if it was Automatic Center or Abenson ... i asked if they have the 51-inch F8500 plasma ... it was already on their price list pero be order daw, price is 149,900 less 10% discount pag cash, with freebies - BD player + 2 Bluray disks ... compared to Amazon US pricing, PhP81k+ lang doon yung 51-inch and PhP 120k+ yung 60-inch
i might go na lang for the 51F5500 for the replacement of my Panny 42PV8
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I heard from a sales rep that panasonic has closed their service center for plasma here. Any truth to this?
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VT is a bad performer in a bright room?
My dining room in Pasig is about 500 Lux bright and daylight color. My Pasig bedroom can be made as bright if I turn on all those huge 45W spiral bulbs evenly scattered inside the room plus the lamp shades and the mood lights on the peripheries. My living room in Tokyo is about 400 lux and warm color with the standard Japanese low ceiling - ubod ng liwanag kaya ang pogi tumingin sa mirror - parang yung mirror sa bright department stores. Hehehe
And my VTs perform perfectly satisfactory. Look at my pics dahil laging bukas ang ilaw and the room actually appears dimmer in picture than actual. My rooms are very very very bright by Pinoy standards. hehehe
But I heard the new Samsung flagship is even brighter. That sounds good. But to say that the VT performs badly under bright lights? come to my dining room and you be the judge (that's the only public area in my house in Pasig).
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VT is a bad performer in a bright room?
My dining room in Pasig is about 500 Lux bright and daylight color. My Pasig bedroom can be made as bright if I turn on all those huge 45W spiral bulbs evenly scattered inside the room plus the lamp shades and the mood lights on the peripheries. My living room in Tokyo is about 400 lux and warm color with the standard Japanese low ceiling - ubod ng liwanag kaya ang pogi tumingin sa mirror - parang yung mirror sa bright department stores. Hehehe
And my VTs perform perfectly satisfactory. Look at my pics dahil laging bukas ang ilaw and the room actually appears dimmer in picture than actual. My rooms are very very very bright by Pinoy standards. hehehe
But I heard the new Samsung flagship is even brighter. That sounds good. But to say that the VT performs badly under bright lights? come to my dining room and you be the judge (that's the only public area in my house in Pasig).
based on a non-pro review from Amazon, looks like Panny is still better than the top of the line Samsung ... unfortunately di na yata magiging available dito ... here's the review -
4.0 out of 5 stars Very Good Picture Quality And Loaded With 'Gee Whiz' Features, April 7, 2013
By
PsychDoc "Psych Doc" (NYC) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Samsung PN51F8500 51-Inch 1080p 600Hz 3D Smart Plasma HDTV (Electronics)
[Edit: 4-28-13] -- VT60 Vs. F8500:
First off I'd like to offer a huge shout-out to the fine guys over at the BB Magnolia next to Roosevelt Field on Long Island. They had these two sets side by side on stands making a direct A/B comparison possible. They were able to sync up The Avengers on DVD so that both sets were playing this with only a 1" -2" second difference between what the two sets were displaying. Actually, that 1" -2" second difference was quite helpful in allowing an assessment of what was playing on one before looking at the other.
First off, the F8500 had somewhat more pure whites than the VT60. That said, neither had anything like the eye searing whites and "pop" of the LED/LCD sets on the adjacent wall so if that is what you're after you're going to need to pass on both of these sets and opt, instead, for an LED/LCD. So the F8500 had more initial visual impact. My wife commented on this when she first saw both sets. After watching for a minute or two the strengths of the VT60 began to emerge. In fact, the longer you watched, the more apparent it was that the VT60 won convincingly in a number of categories. These included color saturation and "depth" (hard to describe this but the closest I can come is that the VT had more of a 3D effect even while displaying 2D material). It also simply blew away the F8500 in resolution of detail in dark scenes. Skin tones where more accurate on the VT and blacks definitely appeared 'blacker.' Neither set was using "torch mode" (i.e. Vivid/Dynamic), so any artificial exaggerations that might have been introduced by these settings were not a factor. Needless to say, neither were professionally calibrated so we were looking at out-of-the-box settings. I was rather surprised to find that red resolution was about a draw with both sets doing a superb job here. In view of the much touted new phosphor that Panny is using I had rather expected that this would be one area in which the VT would bury the F8500. This was not the case. Surprisingly it was in the blues that the VT excelled and completely dominated the F8500. Who whoudda figured?
Anyway, I'm happy to report that my seemingly endless obsession deciding between these two sets has now come to a close and I'm going with the VT. A couple of other factors entered into my ultimate decision. These were that I adore the stand that the VT uses and detest the overly wide stand of the F8500; the VT provides two remotes for their set -- one of which is the cute little touch pad thing, the other of which is a more traditional remote that will allow far easier access to the unit's many feature more easily...the F8500 only offers the (admittedly very sleek and sexy) touch pad remote; the sound system of the VT is almost certain to beat the built-in speakers of the F8500...having owned the F8500 for about a week I can say that the built-in speakers of that unit were, at best, mediocre; finally I am a bit concerned over quality control issues with Samsung and I believe that over the long haul, the VT will prove to be more reliable -- I know that even the finest product can occassionally produce a lemon but I want to keep the odds on my side.
So if you are a casual shopper (thankfully, not many of us here fall into that category) be careful and spend some quality time with both sets before you decide which way to go. First impressions can be deceiving! In view of the fact that I can now see that the VT offers what I believe to be a significant advantage in ultimate PQ I'm lowering my rating of the F8500 by one star -- still a great set but not quite in the same league as the VT60.
[Edit: 4-11-13] -- After a great deal of soul searching and review scouring (as well as some degree of buyers remorse, I'll admit) I've decided to pass on this set and wait, instead, for the Panasonic VT60 series. It's not that the F8500 is a bad set, it's more that the Panny offers everything that this set does and then some at a similar price point. Two factors were of primary influence to me in my ultimate decision making. First, the weird verical viewing angle issue on this set is more disconcerting than I had originally realized. If standing and looking down at the set from even a 25 degree angle, the screen almost blacks out. However, probably the most important factor that influenced me to wait for the Panny was the audio quality. I use my TV without external speakers and this appears to be an area where the Panny shines. The F8500 speakers are, at best, just OK. So, for those of you reading this, please understand that I'm not knocking the F8500 at all -- I am just think that the Panny may offer the least little bit more for a similar price. If the Panny were $1000 more I'd very happily remain with the F8500. I am lowering my rating to 4 stars because I think the VT60 is slightly better and represents what a five star review should
[Edit: 4-7-13] -- Major problem discovered. The set has a faint horozontal band across the screen about 2" from the top. The band is only about a 1mm thick and is more apparent in scenes with orange and blue than darker colors. It's completely absent if the top of the screen is black but it's enough that it's got to be fixed or this bad boy is going back pronto! I'll update as things progress.
I've had this fine set for three days now and I thought I'd share some provisional impressions. Just as you'd imagine, the picture quality (PQ) is just stunning with deeply saturated colors and inky blacks. I've never seen whites that are so white (a pet peeve of mine so this is a very nice finding). The unit itself is quite pretty aesthetically and is beautifully constructed, coming very well packed in it's rather large box. For those of you considering ordering it on the internet and having it shipped, have no fear. Setup is quite easy and connection is a snap with an HDMI cable. Be aware, though, that the HDMI inputs are along the left side of the TV (as you face the set) and are very close to the edge so it will be wise to buy and HDMI cable that has an angled, pivoting head. Otherwise the cable itself is likely to stick out from behind the unit once it's connected. The supplied remote is a thing of beauty. Small, brushed metal and easy to use. It is a bit of a pain to access all the set's fetures through the ouch pad, however, and I wish they had supplied a traditional remote in addition to this one for easier day-to-day use as the competing Panasonic VT60 does. The set even comes with something they call an "IR blaster" that plugs into the back of the set and runs to another component you may want to control with the TV's remote. You place the little box at the end of the IR blaster in front of that other component and program the TV to recognize that component and, voila, your supplied remote now controls that box too. Pretty neat. The set comes with four pairs of active 3D glasses which is very nice in view of the fact that the competing Panasonics come with none (Edit: this was in the VT50...the VT60, which is the F8500's current competition does supply two sets of active 3-D glasses with its units). Each pair of glasses would probably cost you about $30-50 each so there's a 'savings' these of at least $120. Again, nice touch Samsung. The glasses use a supplied button battery and have a tiny on-off button on the top of them. Sadly, there's no LED or other way to confirm that they're on or off so if you use them I'd suggest you take the battery out after each use and put them back in their plastic case or else you're likely to burn out the battery. I tried the glasses with the preinstalled app called "Discovering 3D" and the 3D feature works nicely. I'm not a huge fan of 3D so I doubt I'll be using it much in the future but it's nice to know it's there.
There are features galore on this set. Sadly, most of them are what I'd call 'gee whiz' features that you'll probably play with for a while after getting the set, show off to friends and family and then rarely, if ever use again. Hand gestures and voice control are two that come to mind. Very cool but really of limited real world, day-to-day use IMO. I was surprised (and not too happy) to note that this set has a shocking degree of vertical axis dimming. I thought all plasmas had virtually unlimited viewing angles, both vertically and horozontally. Not so this set. Please understand that there is no dimming when transitioning from left to right, which is far more relevant in real world use as people are going to be seated across the horozontal plane while watching. However, when you walk up to the set (if it's on a TV stand or table) you'll notice a shocking amount of dimming as you get close to the set. From a seated position, with your head at virtually the same height as the TV, this is not a problem at all but for those of you who like to mount your TV to the wall high up you may want to be aware of this before you determine how high up on the wall you plan on mounting it. For me, this proved to be a deal breaker as it was apparent every time you got up from the couch and was extremely distracting. Whatever filter they're using that causes this is way too aggressively implemented. Perhaps the primary reason I ultimately decided to return the set (that and the mediocre sound from the built-in speakers).
You'll want to play around with the picture settings to get it just the way you like and be sure to turn off the awful "Eco" circuit immediately if you keep the picture in "standard mode" (this is the best mode for overall viewing) as the default for this mode is Eco 'on.' This circuit will adjust the picture brightness to the room's ambient light. It's much like the circuit almost all smart phones have to conserve battery power but it's calibrated too agressively and cuts brightness too much in almost all environments in this TV. The sound quality from the built in speakers is decent at best and the set can be used without a HT set-up though you'll probably want one if you expect any real audio quality. If you listen to a lot of music or movies with a large dynamic range you'll probably want to invest in a good HT set-up but for general viewing the built-in speakers are marginally acceptable.
Anyway, these are some fairly initial imresssions/observations. If I learn anything more I'll update this as necessary. Hope this helps.
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some pdvd sellers have the 65VT60 for 240k. ;) :o
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went back to JB HiFi, ito ang stress reliever ko, tingin tingin, nagpapasabik lang. The 65VT60 already had a price cut of 500aud, from 4990, now its 4490.
here they are sorry for the crappy pictures:
Panasonic VT60, 4,490 less 15% pa, so approx. 3.8k
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/anchit/d9664083-ebb9-47c0-8386-959ccde5c56c_zpsf198c64f.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/anchit/media/d9664083-ebb9-47c0-8386-959ccde5c56c_zpsf198c64f.jpg.html)
Samsung 64F8500 3,450 less 15%
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/anchit/Samsung64_zps2ed63b31.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/anchit/media/Samsung64_zps2ed63b31.jpg.html)
Samsung 60F8500 2.9k less 15 , approx. 2.5k
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/anchit/Samsung60_zpsa7e808be.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/anchit/media/Samsung60_zpsa7e808be.jpg.html)
Panasonic ST60: 2.k less 15%, approx. 1.8k
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/anchit/PansonicST60_zps1379fc27.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/anchit/media/PansonicST60_zps1379fc27.jpg.html)
parang nagagandahan ako sa F8500 over VT60. Price wise napaka competitive nya, with a price difference of at least 1k, and sa mga demo material na nakita ko mas stunning ang dating nya kesa sa VT60.
I also saw this Sony Ultra HD TV, 55" pa lang 6k na. it also has a 60" brother na nasa 8kdollars.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/anchit/Sony55Ultra_zpsab5d9c68.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/anchit/media/Sony55Ultra_zpsab5d9c68.jpg.html)
based sa demo material nila kanina, hindi ko makita gaano yung 4x resolution na sinasabi over 1080p TVs.
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Yung sony ultra tv sa tingin ko mas maganda na ganun din ang source para makita mo ang ganda niya na di lang basta 1080p ang source mo.
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everytime i see dat 64F8500 in the mall makes me wanna swipe my card for that thing..buti nalang my available credit wud not allow me to get it hehehe...ang ganda talaga PQ ng plasma yan..hahay...
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everytime i see dat 64F8500 in the mall makes me wanna swipe my card for that thing..buti nalang my available credit wud not allow me to get it hehehe...ang ganda talaga PQ ng plasma yan..hahay...
hehe, tempting talaga ... kaya i'm staying away muna from the appliance stores ... but in my case, after seeing the price differences, i've come into the conclusion that if i'm going to replace my old Panny 42PV8, it will be the Samsung 51F5500 - my budget only permits bang for the buck models, and you can buy 2 F5500 of the same size for the price of 1 F8500, and with a hefty change to go
i haven't actually seen the 51F5500 model yet, but i've seen the lower model F5000 side-by-side with the F4000-series and it's already impressive and really feels like a good upgrade from the old Panny that i have ... i think that with the higher specs of the F5500, it will more than satisfy my upgrade requirements
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ok naman yun F5500 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYYFPKSNmB8, but stay away from 60 incher as shown in that review but the owner seems okay with it....pentile display
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ang ganda ng promo ng Abenson sa Samsung 51F5000: 43k, may free 28 inch led tv ka pa! :D
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ang ganda ng promo ng Abenson sa Samsung 51F5000: 43k, may free 28 inch led tv ka pa! :D
if you have no interest on 3D and smart features, the 51F5000 is highly recommended ... i also saw the free tv, it's very nice as well
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Bakit ganun lahat sinasabi maganda black level ng plasma pero tuwing nakakakita ako ng plasma sa mga shops ang tingin ko sa black niya ay gray. What am I missing?
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Bakit ganun lahat sinasabi maganda black level ng plasma pero tuwing nakakakita ako ng plasma sa mga shops ang tingin ko sa black niya ay gray. What am I missing?
baka sa settings? Or maybe at the back of your mind you really wanted a led or lcdtv :)
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Bakit ganun lahat sinasabi maganda black level ng plasma pero tuwing nakakakita ako ng plasma sa mga shops ang tingin ko sa black niya ay gray. What am I missing?
either low-end plasma yun or naka-off yung plasma tv. :P
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Saw f5000 plasma sitting beside an led and gray talaga yung black niya without exaggeration while darker yung katabi niyang led both patong the same video. And kahit naka off yung screen nga ng plasma is grayish. I am considering a plasma unit kasi mid range plasma are affordable compared sa led pero hindi ko magustuhan yung picture quality.
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I agree for default settings samsung f5000 is grey screen compared to lg ln5400 which is indeed black.
Made a side by side comparison between the two with same HD source.
The lg is indeed bright with plasma dimmer. But the skin tones rendered by the plasma is more natural. The plasma for me is sharper and has no perceived judder for fast moving scenes.
Went home with the 51" plasma with a free 28" led.
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Bakit ganun lahat sinasabi maganda black level ng plasma pero tuwing nakakakita ako ng plasma sa mga shops ang tingin ko sa black niya ay gray. What am I missing?
What are you missing?
A dark room. ;)
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Dati ko na ring pi-nost eto diba. Mas maitim and mas maputi ang LED than plasma - lalo na yung mga high-end LED - as dark as Darth Vader, while Plasmas can be as gray as Skywalker.
Pero maganda ang details, overall image quality, contrast and skin tone ng plasma kapag dark scenes. So for me, that's what "mas maganda black levels ng plasma" mean.
Bakit ganun lahat sinasabi maganda black level ng plasma pero tuwing nakakakita ako ng plasma sa mga shops ang tingin ko sa black niya ay gray. What am I missing?
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Bakit ganun lahat sinasabi maganda black level ng plasma pero tuwing nakakakita ako ng plasma sa mga shops ang tingin ko sa black niya ay gray. What am I missing?
OT kana...or just trolling around?
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OT kana...or just trolling around?
I asked about plasma on a plasma TV thread and actually mentioned a 2013 plasma model and that is OT? And I say something bad about plasma TV on a plasma TV thread that is considered trolling? Wow! Anyway why am I even explaining. Thank you na lang doon sa mga sumagot and actually contributed something on this thread.
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Cool lang kayo mga Pogi. I believe what you say. In fact, the Sony and Sharp sellers in Tokyo would always emphasize that Black & White thing. Eh talagang maitim and maputi ang LED, and mas madilim ang Plasma. But alam kong once inuwi ko ang plasma, mas maganda sa mata ko.
I asked about plasma on a plasma TV thread and actually mentioned a 2013 plasma model and that is OT? And I say something bad about plasma TV on a plasma TV thread that is considered trolling? Wow! Anyway why am I even explaining. Thank you na lang doon sa mga sumagot and actually contributed something on this thread.
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(http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/0000280a8/db53_orh348w620/SamsungPS51F5500Frontdone.jpg)
(http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/0000280ae/33f1/SamsungPS51F5500TouchRemote.jpg)
Samsung Plasma 51F5500 review (July 2, 2013):
http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-ps51f5500_TV_review (http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-ps51f5500_TV_review)
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(http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/0000280a8/db53_orh348w620/SamsungPS51F5500Frontdone.jpg)
(http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/0000280ae/33f1/SamsungPS51F5500TouchRemote.jpg)
Samsung Plasma 51F5500 review (July 2, 2013):
http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-ps51f5500_TV_review (http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-ps51f5500_TV_review)
this is what i'll be getting sir, but planning to wait till around November to get one - in time for the next Pacman fight :)
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(http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/0000280a8/db53_orh348w620/SamsungPS51F5500Frontdone.jpg)
(http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/0000280ae/33f1/SamsungPS51F5500TouchRemote.jpg)
Samsung Plasma 51F5500 review (July 2, 2013):
http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-ps51f5500_TV_review (http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-ps51f5500_TV_review)
lalo gumaganda ang mga offer sa samsung, F5500 dual core na ngayon at saka it cams w/ 2 remotes, asan ka pa? hehehe...panasonic phils. wats up? lol...
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I'm thinking of buying a samsung plasma TV PS43F4900. currently at 24k+ I can't find any review on the net. do you guys have any experience in using this model?
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^ I've seen that model on display in some appliance stores. it has good blacks, though its PQ is "noisy" compared to the E550, F5000, F5500, and higher models. if you plan to watch mostly standard definition material, then it's a good buy.
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^^
so this is not a good buy if I plan to use it mainly for BDs and MKVs? thanks!
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^^
so this is not a good buy if I plan to use it mainly for BDs and MKVs? thanks!
get at least the 51F5000. ;)
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very veryvery tempted with the VT50.. sana may clearance sale dito sa pinas of that model na 65 inches..
dito sa harisson plaza.. selling for 185k.. parang hindi pa phased out no?
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Can't wait for the post X-mas price drops! >:D
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very veryvery tempted with the VT50.. sana may clearance sale dito sa pinas of that model na 65 inches..
dito sa harisson plaza.. selling for 185k.. parang hindi pa phased out no?
laging huli ang market natin makatanggap ng latest models ng Panasonic.
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doing research now on plasma.. seems like this is a totally new beast to own...
ang di ko lang maintindihan is the break in period... ano yung "slides" na sinasabi nila na kelangan mo i run for 100hrs?
specifically for the vt60 model...
but i might get a plasma soon..
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Naka-display na sa SM Appliance yung Samsung 64F8500 and yung Samsung 65F8000. Ang gaganda ng PQ.
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Will the newer 2013 plasmas still need to be broken in?
ang di ko lang maintindihan is the break in period... ano yung "slides" na sinasabi nila na kelangan mo i run for 100hrs?
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Will the newer 2013 plasmas still need to be broken in?
according to avsforums, yes... 100hours or so...
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I've never done any "aging" on any of my previous and current plasmas and I have no idea whatsoever what I have missed.
I havent seen such thing in any of Panasonic's catalogues and website, but I know some people are talking and asking about it.
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ang di ko lang maintindihan is the break in period... ano yung "slides" na sinasabi nila na kelangan mo i run for 100hrs?
Hindi na required ang break-in procedure sa plasma ngayon.
1. Break in helps prevent burn-in (BI) issues. But plasma TVs don't have BI issues anymore.
2. Most plasma TVs still have image retention (IR) issues. But break-in does nothing to prevent IR.
Hindi kailangan ang break-in procedure. All you need to do is minimize the display of static images. If you can't avoid displaying static images, get an LCD/LED.
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mga master,, ano ba maganda plasma ngayon na 50" to 60" ang size?. eto mga spec na gusto ko.
1. Full HD but not smart tv or 3D..
2. Full HD smart tv without 3D. kung wala talaga full HD lang.
3. Good picture quality similar dun sa VT at ST models ng panasonic
4. Best price or bang for the buck.
5. panasonic, lg, sharp are the brands i have now in mind
another question is meron na bang LED ngayon na kayang sumabay sa mga plasma in terms of picture quality? but not too pricey. ang naudition ko before is yung 47" LGLM6700. Ok yung picture quality nya. halos parang plasma na rin.. kaya lang ang ayoko dito ay smart tv at 3d.. for now ndi ko pa gusto ang 3d tv. yung smart tv naman. ok lang din. pro ndi necessary..
Thanks in advance and more power to pinoydvd.
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mga master,, ano ba maganda plasma ngayon na 50" to 60" ang size?. eto mga spec na gusto ko.
1. Full HD but not smart tv or 3D..
2. Full HD smart tv without 3D. kung wala talaga full HD lang.
3. Good picture quality similar dun sa VT at ST models ng panasonic
4. Best price or bang for the buck.
5. panasonic, lg, sharp are the brands i have now in mind
another question is meron na bang LED ngayon na kayang sumabay sa mga plasma in terms of picture quality? but not too pricey. ang naudition ko before is yung 47" LGLM6700. Ok yung picture quality nya. halos parang plasma na rin.. kaya lang ang ayoko dito ay smart tv at 3d.. for now ndi ko pa gusto ang 3d tv. yung smart tv naman. ok lang din. pro ndi necessary..
Thanks in advance and more power to pinoydvd.
the Samsung 51F5000 fits your criteria! it's a Full HD plasma tv without 3D and Smart TV features. it's priced at 47,997 at Abensons (+ free 28F4000 LED tv and 5k discount if cash). its picture quality bests the lesser 4 series plasmas and is almost as good as the 8 series plasma tvs! ;)
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the Samsung 51F5000 fits your criteria! it's a Full HD plasma tv without 3D and Smart TV features. it's priced at 47,997 at Abensons (+ free 28F4000 LED tv and 5k discount if cash). its picture quality bests the lesser 4 series plasmas and is almost as good as the 8 series plasma tvs! ;)
Thanks sir DTNS for the reply. will try to check it and see if the PQ fits my needs. ;)
More suggestion please.. so when time permits. maaudition ko na sila para hindi sayang sa oras.. :)
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doing research now on plasma.. seems like this is a totally new beast to own...
ang di ko lang maintindihan is the break in period... ano yung "slides" na sinasabi nila na kelangan mo i run for 100hrs?
specifically for the vt60 model...
but i might get a plasma soon..
Sir eto po regarding sa break in at burn-in issue... Although 2012 pa yun article pero baka makatulong sa mga tulad natin plasma user at may plan to buy a plasma...
Do I need to break in a new plasma TV?
(Morrison's Mailbag)
Reader Mike wants to know if there are special break-in procedures he needs to do with his new plasma.
by Geoffrey Morrison July 30, 2012 8:50 AM PDT
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Is plasma HDTV burn-in a problem?
One of the biggest concerns people have when shopping for a plasma TV is burn-in. So what is it? Is it really a problem?
by Geoffrey Morrison August 15, 2011 2:05 PM PDT Updated: November 14, 2012 8:14
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Active 3D vs. passive 3D: What's better?
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Is plasma HDTV burn-in a problem?
One of the biggest concerns people have when shopping for a plasma TV is burn-in. So what is it? Is it really a problem?
by Geoffrey Morrison August 15, 2011 2:05 PM PDT Updated: November 14, 2012 8:14
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This article is not accurate.
The author is talking about temporary image retention when he says "image persistence":
Here's the most important fact about image persistence: unless you're overtly negligent, it's easily reversible. With what magic, you ask? Easy, just watch TV. Yep, that's it. Just go back to your regularly scheduled programming (full-screen, non-letterboxed television) and it will go away by itself. Just due to being used, the phosphors will get back in line. Depending on the severity of the image persistence, it may take a few minutes or a few hours to go away.
He thinks the temporary IR is caused by phosphors. That's why he says, "Just due to being used, the phosphors will get back in line."
Temporary IR is not caused by phosphor burn, it's merely caused by a residual charge in the plasma cells. After some time, the residual charge goes away. This allows the charge in all cells to equalize, causing the retention to disappear.
However, uneven phosphor aging is permanent, and you can't restore phosphors to their pre-burn state.
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One more thing 1 year na ung plasma na binenta ko and using cignal cable di naman nag ka burn-in or IR.
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Decided to watch Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol this afternoon on my brand new LG PH660V 50" 3D Plasma. What a treat that was, blacks were infinite, yet with superb shadow detail. I defy any Pioneer Kuro or Panasonic Plasma to look any better. The blacks were even darker that the borders above and below the image.
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Here is a screenshot I took of UP
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Blu-devil, in what sizes do they come? May 55 and 60" ba? Care to share how much it cost you to bring home this baby?
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I might get the LG 50PN4500 later this year. the picture quality is acceptable for me (better than Samsung 4 series plasma). I have a Full HD 3D projector already, so the plasma will be used for standard definition cable viewing only. :) I'll just use the money I saved on other AV stuff instead. ;)
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Purchased it here in the UK. £590 50". Image is just as good as any Kuro or later edition Panasonic.
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
Note that the above photos were taken in broad daylight with my curtains open.
I just finished watching Total Recall (2012) in full darkness and the hairs on my arms stood up, the image was that good.
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Panasonic Plasma VT50, ZT60, E60 and ST60.
Comparison of plasma to LED.
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Plasma VT50 and ZT60
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ST60
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E60
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the Samsung 51F5000 fits your criteria! it's a Full HD plasma tv without 3D and Smart TV features. it's priced at 47,997 at Abensons (+ free 28F4000 LED tv and 5k discount if cash). its picture quality bests the lesser 4 series plasmas and is almost as good as the 8 series plasma tvs! ;)
I will be getting this tomorrow. :)
Hope this performs well..
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I will be getting this tomorrow. :)
Hope this performs well..
please write a review sir of your impressions, i'm also considering this
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i bought this 1080p plasma a few weeks back. my only concern then was the reflective screen while in the showroom. but it wasnt much of an issue when placed in my den as my windows are located only on one side of the room.
prior to purchase, i did a side by side comparison with a 1080p 50" LG LED at abensons and despite the prodding of the salesman for the LED i chose the plasma. picture quality is a lot better. skin tone is more natural. no motion stuttering. wider viewing angles. all in all video reproduction is much better even with animation movies.
additional advantage i got a big PC monitor for the 28"LED freebie. samsung tv was able to decode dts audio unlike LG and Sony, so at times i watch downloaded movies sans receiver.
also was able to find this link for its calibration which i utilized.
f5ooo is the asian market equivalent of the f53oo north american model.
http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/samsung-plasma-tv/samsung-f5300-picture-settings.html
resulted to improved viewing experience.
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i bought this 1080p plasma a few weeks back. my only concern then was the reflective screen while in the showroom.
but it seems it wasnt much of an issue as my windows are located only on one side of the room.
prior to purchase, i did a side by side comparison with a 1080p 50" LG LED at abensons and despite the prodding of the salesman for the LED i chose the plasma. picture quality is a lot better. skin tone is more natural. no motion stuttering. wider viewing angles. all in all video reproduction is much better even with animation movies.
additional advantage i got a big PC monitor for the 28"LED freebie. samsung tv was able to decode dts audio unlike LG and Sony, so at times i watch downloaded movies sans receiver.
also was able to find this link for its calibration which i utilized.
f5ooo is the asian market equivalent of the f53oo north american model.
http://reviews.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/samsung-plasma-tv/samsung-f5300-picture-settings.html
resulted to improved viewing experience.
thanks for the share :)
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About this time last year biglang naglabasan yung mahiwagang 2011 50VT30 sets sa local sellers. Maski sana yung highly rated 2012 50ST50 models ay dumating man lang (kahit i-dump like the VT30s last year) soonest. Maganda pa rin kahit itabi sa 2013 ST60.
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Can you recommend a Panasonic Plasma that i can buy for $1500?
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65 inch ST60 at Best Buy - plus tax of course. So hindi rin pala $1,500 ;D. Pero kung tourist or temporary visitor ka, you can refund the tax sa customs desk ng high end department stores or at the airport mismo - problema mo nga lang iuwi - might be cheaper to have it sent via door to door - i heard it's like $60 up to 67 inches plus $7 per additional inch (total dimension ng shipping box). Kung 65 inch, aabot siguro ng $500 or more ang shipping.
Can you recommend a Panasonic Plasma that i can buy for $1500?
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65 inch ST60 at Best Buy - plus tax of course. So hindi rin pala $1,500 ;D. Pero kung tourist or temporary visitor ka, you can refund the tax sa customs desk ng high end department stores or at the airport mismo - problema mo nga lang iuwi - might be cheaper to have it sent via door to door - i heard it's like $60 up to 67 inches plus $7 per additional inch (total dimension ng shipping box). Kung 65 inch, aabot siguro ng $500 or more ang shipping.
Thanks sir ill check bestbuy or any other online store. Meron ba sa US nun tax refund?
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If you are actually in the US on a temporary visitor visa. (B1/B2). Maski sa Japan and the EU ay ganoon ang common policy in regards duty/tax exemption.
Thanks sir ill check bestbuy or any other online store. Meron ba sa US nun tax refund?
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If you are actually in the US on a temporary visitor visa. (B1/B2). Maski sa Japan and the EU ay ganoon ang common policy in regards duty/tax exemption.
Thanks sir can u refund the tax rigth away or it will be refunded when you return home to your country? Most pala ng US may sales tax refund even for visitors. :)
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Pagkabili mo puede ka nang pumunta agad sa tax/duty refund counter kung saan man available or located.
You must refund before you leave the US. Sa mga medyo high-end malls like Galleria, meron tax refund counter somewhere in there (dahil ang daming high-end stores in that mall). Yung mga chachi (cheap) malls ay wala. Maski Best Buy ay wala. Pero you can also use the counter sa high-end malls. Kung wala ka nang chance to do that, your last chance is the tax refund counter sa airport.
You have to show the receipt o kors (proof of purchase) and your passport.
Thanks sir can u refund the tax rigth away or it will be refunded when you return home to your country? Most pala ng US may sales tax refund even for visitors. :)
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Tax refund ba applies to any purchase? Mapa clothes or books? Or big ticket electronic items lang?
OT: Masaya ngayon sa Tokyo nakuha ang Olympics. :)
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Haven't tried on small purchases yet, but I think there should be no exception except for food, consumable stuff or items that you won't bring out of the US. The key is to show the OR (proof of purchase) and your passport (to prove your status). Doesn't apply to big electronic items only. I've refunded on a bag purchase within the Galleria Mall.
Yeah, napatalon ako when the announcement was made! Malamang Japanese visa would be waivered for all Asians at least during the 2020 Olympics.
Tax refund ba applies to any purchase? Mapa clothes or books? Or big ticket electronic items lang?
OT: Masaya ngayon sa Tokyo nakuha ang Olympics. :)
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Pagkabili mo puede ka nang pumunta agad sa tax/duty refund counter kung saan man available or located.
You must refund before you leave the US. Sa mga medyo high-end malls like Galleria, meron tax refund counter somewhere in there (dahil ang daming high-end stores in that mall). Yung mga chachi (cheap) malls ay wala. Maski Best Buy ay wala. Pero you can also use the counter sa high-end malls. Kung wala ka nang chance to do that, your last chance is the tax refund counter sa airport.
You have to show the receipt o kors (proof of purchase) and your passport.
Thanks sir one more question if i do the refund at the airport will be the item seen by the authorities or just the receipt? I search google but Texas is the only state that ahs refund.
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No need to show the item sa airport - especially if the item is inside your checked-in luggage
But I didnt realize til now that sales tax refund is a state matter and not a Federal Govt concern - complexities of the USA. I can confirm Texas because I did my shopping and refund in Houston. I guess you just have to ask the store wherever you are.
Thanks sir one more question if i do the refund at the airport will be the item seen by the authorities or just the receipt? I search google but Texas is the only state that ahs refund.
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here is a review of the only reviewer that i trust..
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/07/battle-of-the-super-plasma-tvs-the-panasonic-vt60-versus-the-samsung-f8500/index.htm
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checkout the Samsung 51F5000 thread ... seems to be the bang for the back plasma tv that is locally available today - 51-inch full HD TV priced at PhP 30,273 for cash purchase ... selling like hotcakes to PDVD members, and i just purchased one last weekend, but for delivery sa Sunday as wala pa akong paglagyan at time this week
i'll post a non-expert review and my first impressions once i have it installed ... my point of comparison will be the Panasonic 42PV8 that it will be replacing
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here is a review of the only reviewer that i trust..
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/07/battle-of-the-super-plasma-tvs-the-panasonic-vt60-versus-the-samsung-f8500/index.htm
since i'm in pinas so i go for 64F8500...
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checkout the Samsung 51F5000 thread ... seems to be the bang for the back plasma tv that is locally available today - 51-inch full HD TV priced at PhP 30,273 for cash purchase ... selling like hotcakes to PDVD members, and i just purchased one last weekend, but for delivery sa Sunday as wala pa akong paglagyan at time this week
i'll post a non-expert review and my first impressions once i have it installed ... my point of comparison will be the Panasonic 42PV8 that it will be replacing
On sale parin ho ba yung 51f5000???
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On sale parin ho ba yung 51f5000???
some Abensons and Abensons Avant stores are ahving the sale every Fri-Sun until the end of Sept., i bought mine at Abensons Glorietta, they said their sale is up to last weekend only but may be extended ... check this thread, they are posting updates on the sale -
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,183100.0.html
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my cuzin just bought that f5000 the pQ is nice but the light output of the panel is pretty much letdown...w/dat madali ma wash-out yung image nya in a normal living room..dapat lights-out talaga para mapa-kinabangan yung F5000 lol...at daylight yung F5000 ay parang personal mirror lol...at daylight dapat naka dynamic or torch mode yung F5000 w/c is not advisable for a plasma panel.
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I got to see the Samsung 51F8500 at SM Appliance at Rockwell Power Plant. image quality and black levels were very good. but its retail price was 130k! :o
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I got to see the Samsung 51F8500 at SM Appliance at Rockwell Power Plant. image quality and black levels were very good. but its retail price was 130k! :o
Mahal talaga sa SM Appliance Center.
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Sad news panasonic will stop selling plasmas by march 2014 http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/8/4818468/panasonic-to-exit-plasma-business-this-financial-year-report
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Sad news panasonic will stop selling plasmas by march 2014 http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/8/4818468/panasonic-to-exit-plasma-business-this-financial-year-report
maybe vt and zt series prices will start to fall down, now that is good news for me hehehe
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Oh no.!! Panasonic plasma is the best, led and lcd tv's no way.!!
Wait for the opportunity to buy bigger panasonic plasma at even down to earth price. :( >:( ::) ::) :P
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maybe vt and zt series prices will start to fall down, now that is good news for me hehehe
maybe we'll finally see the VT60 and ZT60 hitting our market in 2014. we only have the X60, S60, and XT50 atm.
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1. Samsung bright plasmas are still available. The 8500 series is pretty impressive even though the ZT image still looks blacker and better.
2. But my plan is to get the last VT or ZT when production ends while waiting out for OLED prices to become affordable. However, even with my current VT2 and VT30, puedeng puede na assuming they last for many more years.
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maybe we'll finally see the VT60 and ZT60 hitting our market in 2014. we only have the X60, S60, and XT50 atm.
Is this model will be locally distributed or a grey units?
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Is this model will be locally distributed or a grey units?
V and Z series is most likely grey
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Is this model will be locally distributed or a grey units?
locally distributed units are: 42/50X50, 50XT50, 65ST50. I think the 50X60, 60S60, and other 60 series Panasonic are grey units. (I'm not sure ah)
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V and Z series is most likely grey
what do u mean grey units? an old model? these are not, flagship plasma tv ito sa panasonic w/c i consider the ultimate porno tv hehehe...
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what do u mean grey units? an old model? these are not, flagship plasma tv ito sa panasonic w/c i consider the ultimate porno tv hehehe...
grey market/units (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_market)
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Kahit grey or blue or red or yellow or pink, basta tipong 60K na VT series and at least 50 inch. ;D
They seem to have a good quantity of leftover 50ST50s for around $700 in the US. Dalhin nalang nila sa Pilipinas sana ng mapakinabangan.
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Kahit grey or blue or red or yellow or pink, basta tipong 60K na VT series and at least 50 inch. ;D
They seem to have a good quantity of leftover 50ST50s for around $700 in the US. Dalhin nalang nila sa Pilipinas sana ng mapakinabangan.
60" para tapos na usapan ;D
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looks like plasma tv's are really going out -
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/why-plasma-tv-dying,news-17668.html
this one's a good read
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looks like plasma tv's are really going out -
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/why-plasma-tv-dying,news-17668.html
this one's a good read
only the panasonic plasma are not selling well, samsung is doing good in this plasma bizness....
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Sa akin OK lang, tigilan na ng Panny ang plasma nila, wala namang available dito e.
In 2011, gusto ko ng Panny 50UT30, walang available. In 2012, gusto ng Panny 50ST50, walang available. Nagkaroon ng ST50, pero 65 incher naman, gray unit pa :( . Nabuwisit ako, Sammy plasma 51E550 binili ko in 2012. Very good plasma; sa black levels lang natalo ng Panny.
This 2013, ok siguro ang Panny plasma 50S60 and 50ST60, pero parehong hindi rin available.
Now, Sammy plasma na ang preference ko kahit magkaroon pa ng equivalent Panny model dito.
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was eyeing on the vt60.. pero because of this news.. hayssss...
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was eyeing on the vt60.. pero because of this news.. hayssss...
Maganda talaga ang VT60 & ZT60.
Pero natalo naman yon ng Sammy F8500 sa 2013 VE shootout. Ang F8500 available na; pero ang VT60, mamumuti ang mata mo kakahintay ng availability. Bakit pa magtitiyaga sa Panny?
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/08/panasonic-end-plasma-tv/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/08/panasonic-end-plasma-tv/)
How true? Because of Samsung?
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kahit nga sa LED bizness talo pa rin sila(panasonic) sa samsumg lol....sa 4K(new battlefield) nga mukhang talo parin, samsung has OLED TV(1080P) on the market now meanwhile ang panasonic walang available na unahan na naman sa paglabas ng mga bagong TV tech. kahit nga ang Sony's LED bizness struggling.
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That's right. Kahit naman within Samsung, mahina rin ang benta ng Sammy plasma vs. Sammy LED.
It's not just plasma vs. LED. It's really Japan vs. South Korea.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/08/panasonic-end-plasma-tv/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/08/panasonic-end-plasma-tv/)
How true? Because of Samsung?
Maraming reasons. Samsung is just one of them.
How true? Still no official confirmation from Panny. Ilang beses nang lumabas ang issue na ito. But this time, it looks like Panny's plasma exit will push through.
This was Henry Hauser's response (US Panny Marketing VP) last April 2013 about the rumors:
"Reports that Panasonic will no longer develop and manufacture Plasma HDTVs are not correct.
"This week in New York City, Panasonic demonstrated the latest development of our gapless Plasma panel technology in our 2013 Smart VIERA ZT Series Plasma HDTV. The technology incorporated into our ZT Series Studio Master Panel will be the basis for continued plasma display panel development and production. While the Smart VIERA ZT Series introduces a new level of Plasma picture quality, we believe there is still room for further improvement and intend to continue to research ways to take our Plasma technology to even higher levels where it also has the potential to be applied in our other Plasma series in the future.
"VIERA Plasma HDTVs continue to set the standard for picture quality and black level excellence and the ZT Series is another example of the continued ability of Plasma to evolve and continue to deliver a best-in-class HDTV."
http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/12/panasonic-buries-rumors-of-plasma-tv-death/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/12/panasonic-buries-rumors-of-plasma-tv-death/)
Ang tikas ng sagot noon, ha... :D
This time, the latest round of reports first came from Reuters on Oct. 8, 2013, which cited confidential sources. Panny has again released an official denial:
• The content of the [Reuters] report is not something that was announced by Panasonic.
• The company is looking into a variety of options regarding the strategy for the PDP [plasma display] business, but nothing has been decided at this stage.
• The company is looking into a variety of options regarding the utilization of the Amagasaki Factory, but nothing has been decided at this stage.
http://www.whathifi.com/news/panasonic-denies-reports-it-will-end-plasma-production-in-2014 (http://www.whathifi.com/news/panasonic-denies-reports-it-will-end-plasma-production-in-2014)
Notice the big difference between the two responses.
In April, it was a categorical denial from Panny, with a clear declaration of its intent to continue research and improvement. This October, instead of denying it categorically, Panny can only say, "nothing has been decided." :(
So in my opinion, mukhang totoo na ito.
Earliest confirmation will be at the January 2014 Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas (CES 2014). Pag walang bagong Panny plasma sa CES 2014, tapos na talaga yan.
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Maganda talaga ang VT60 & ZT60.
Pero natalo naman yon ng Sammy F8500 sa 2013 VE shootout. Ang F8500 available na; pero ang VT60, mamumuti ang mata mo kakahintay ng availability. Bakit pa magtitiyaga sa Panny?
because of the 1 inch difference? :D i sound like a girl... :D :D
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Sir barrister you are right too, sammy led tv is much more popular than their plasma tv lineup ang maganda lang sa sammy is that their tryin to flash-out all the bad things about plasma and that's what their F8500 plasma is all about.....
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Definitely Japan vs South Korea. Hindi lang sa consumer electronics but also in terms of car, shipbuilding and oil & gas business. Too tough to compete against a country where the gov't allegedly subsidizes potential loss, not to mention the salary level is still quite lower compared to Japanese standards - the Koreans are also very hardworking and driven to beat the Japanese in particular.
Pero in the nearly weekly shootout that I and 2 of my colleagues do at Best Buy or Frys (where else can we go if the ladies are in the mall? ;D), we are still unanimous in this.
ZT60 is best, 8500 is 2nd, VT60 is third. Kung cost performance ang usapan, pinakamataas ang VT60 at current market prices (it seems they had to reduce the price because the 8500 is better). Pero kahit alin sa tatlo ang iuwi mo..panalo! However, ang taas lalo talaga ng cost performance ng 50ST50 and 65ST50 - kung madali sana bitbitin! $500 all-in ang quote ng door-to-door sa 65 incher so hindi na masama. :)
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hands down talaga ako sa panny's ZT and VT series but... yung nga eh, not locally available.
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BTW, apparently nauuna nga ang Samsung in OLED and even UHD. I can understand the 8K-9K street price for the 55 inch 4K OLED or 65 inch UHD considering how much more beautiful the images look compared to the current top of the line 1080p TVs, but I really don't get the point of curving a 55-inch screen, not even a 65 inch screen...not big enough to curve and nakakailang lang.
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Down to $5,500 bigla lahat ng brands ng 65-inch 4K UHD (Samsung, Sony, Panasonic)...walang bumili at $7K-8K level obviously.
Asked the seller to show the same 1080p futbol game they're showing on the top of the line plasmas and LEDs nearby instead of the gorgeous demo....pareho lang ng regular LED HDTV quality.
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Like pioneer's exit, panasonic's exit is the end of an era.
What's going to push samsung plasmas to do better and go cheaper now that there's no competition?
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Panasonic's problem is that they did not make any money for the fiscal year. So definitely they looked at the plasma line to cut. I do hope Samsung will still push the plasma line since if the production cost is relatively cheaper then they can still make a profit... (hypothesis)
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Like pioneer's exit, panasonic's exit is the end of an era.
What's going to push samsung plasmas to do better and go cheaper now that there's no competition?
Samsung's only competition for plasmas is LG. but LG only produces entry-level (720P) plasmas.
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Asked the seller to show the same 1080p futbol game they're showing on the top of the line plasmas and LEDs nearby instead of the gorgeous demo....pareho lang ng regular LED HDTV quality.
this was what i was waiting for... and hopefully as a gaming tv how would 4k fare compared to its 1080 counterpart?
btt..sayang ang plasma.. was really going to get it.. change pf plans...
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Like pioneer's exit, panasonic's exit is the end of an era.
What's going to push samsung plasmas to do better and go cheaper now that there's no competition?
I think Samsung will continue making good plasmas. Now that Panny is out of the way, what will motivate Sammy? --- The prestige of making the best TV in the world. Sammy finally did it this year by winning the 2013 VE shootout.
Samsung can afford to continue making a smaller line of plasma TVs; Panasonic can't. Samsung posted a $22.5B profit for 2012; Panasonic got a $10B loss for 2012.
It's not the end of an era of good but affordable TVs. Although it does look like it's the end of an era for "Japan, Inc."
Sammy will stop plasma production when OLED TVs go mainstream. There's one obstacle for plama's future: 4K. Since it's unlikely that any company will invest in a plasma factory with 4K capability, it looks like plasma will forever max out at 2K.
When 4K prices go down, it's going to be high-end LED vs. high-end OLED, both 4K. That's the time when Sammy can let go of plasma.
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if i'm not mistaken, Samsung entered the plasma tv market quite late ... they would try to extend plasma sales to maximize their investment for manufacturing plasma tv's - it should still be possible because of the lower manufacturing cost
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Grabe ganda ng demo ng car racing game on a 4K - my question is, how soon will the native 4K games be released? Hindi na ako updated sa PC ang console gaming but I know that the latest gen PS and Xbox are coming soon.
Well kung hindi naman sila mag-develop ng 4K plasma, talagang kakainin ng 4K eventually ang 1080p plasma anyways. But if I were in the market for a new HDTV right now, I would still buy the best plasmas available and enjoy it for 3 years at least. Kelan pa dadating ang 4K broadcast or native 4K movies? Earliest sa 2016 Rio de Janeiro Olympics siguro (with Panasonic as proud sponsor - hehehe) or baka abutin pa sa 2020 Tokyo Olympics. Our Mar-2010 V2 and Aug-2010 V20 are still awesome after over 3 years of full-time TV use, and hopefully our Nov-2012 VT30 will last as long at least, or until 4K prices reach the current levels of 1080p sets. Parts and service support will outlast the "end of production" date - pero hassle malamang if gray ang unit mo.
this was what i was waiting for... and hopefully as a gaming tv how would 4k fare compared to its 1080 counterpart?
btt..sayang ang plasma.. was really going to get it.. change pf plans...
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Grabe ganda ng demo ng car racing game on a 4K - my question is, how soon will the native 4K games be released? Hindi na ako updated sa PC ang console gaming but I know that the latest gen PS and Xbox are coming soon.
Well kung hindi naman sila mag-develop ng 4K plasma, talagang kakainin ng 4K eventually ang 1080p plasma anyways. But if I were in the market for a new HDTV right now, I would still buy the best plasmas available and enjoy it for 3 years at least. Kelan pa dadating ang 4K broadcast or native 4K movies? Earliest sa 2016 Rio de Janeiro Olympics siguro (with Panasonic as proud sponsor - hehehe) or baka abutin pa sa 2020 Tokyo Olympics. Our Mar-2010 V2 and Aug-2010 V20 are still awesome after over 3 years of full-time TV use, and hopefully our Nov-2012 VT30 will last as long at least, or until 4K prices reach the current levels of 1080p sets. Parts and service support will outlast the "end of production" date - pero hassle malamang if gray ang unit mo.
some pc games can already be played in 4K, provided that your pc is up to the task.
BTT: the only 4K plasma I know is Panasonic's 152 inch monster.
http://www.panasonic.com/business/plasma/3d/3d-plasma-th-152ux1.asp (http://www.panasonic.com/business/plasma/3d/3d-plasma-th-152ux1.asp) :o
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sir, would it be possible to ask them to plug in a current game system (ps3 or xbox360) on that 4ktv theyre demoing? tapos see side by side kung may difference sa 1080tv? just like what they did with the futbol hdtv demo...
Asked the seller to show the same 1080p futbol game they're showing on the top of the line plasmas and LEDs nearby instead of the gorgeous demo....pareho lang ng regular LED HDTV quality.
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sir, would it be possible to ask them to plug in a current game system (ps3 or xbox360) on that 4ktv theyre demoing? tapos see side by side kung may difference sa 1080tv? just like what they did with the futbol hdtv demo...
hindi ka siguro pabibigyan about your request kasi they know u won't buy it anyway, lol....
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hindi ka siguro pabibigyan about your request kasi they know u won't buy it anyway, lol....
sa pinas ganun.. pero sa ibang bansa, customer is king..
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Last time po sa US kami totoo po na customers are the king. Sa Bestbuy we can request whatever we want from them. Kami pa po ang kinukulit for anything baka sakali ma sale talk kami to buy from them.
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well sa US madali lang mag utang, eh dito sa atin mahirap, lol...kaya magaling ang pinoy salesman to differentiate who,s the potential customers are hehehehe...
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well sa US madali lang mag utang, eh dito sa atin mahirap, lol...kaya magaling ang pinoy salesman to differentiate who,s the potential customers are hehehehe...
sino naman nagsabi na kelangan utangin ang pambili??
actually, they suck at knowing who the potential customers are.. they only look at how customers dress.. but agree ako sayo.. they wouldnt bend their backs on inquiries.. e pano ka naman bibili kung di mo makikita ang nireresearch mo? ano gusto nila? pay muna tapos kung di ka satisfied, sorry nalang? buti kung pwede mo ibalik.
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I'm referring to the Magnolia room of Best Buy. I didn't notice if their top of the line displays are connected to any gaming console. HD cable and the 4K demo ay Yes. The 1080p futbol game was actually live Sunday futbol.
sir, would it be possible to ask them to plug in a current game system (ps3 or xbox360) on that 4ktv theyre demoing? tapos see side by side kung may difference sa 1080tv? just like what they did with the futbol hdtv demo...
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actually, they suck at knowing who the potential customers are.. they only look at how customers dress.. but agree ako sayo.. they wouldnt bend their backs on inquiries.. e pano ka naman bibili kung di mo makikita ang nireresearch mo? ano gusto nila? pay muna tapos kung di ka satisfied, sorry nalang? buti kung pwede mo ibalik.
OT: parang sa myphone, ayaw ipa-demo yung iceberg phone nila. dami tuloy potential customers na di nalang bumili.
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actually.. im amazed at the salesperson in this country on the way they judge potential buyers..
same as some members.. the way they think na im not a potential buyer... :D
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actually.. im amazed at the salesperson in this country on the way they judge potential buyers..
same as some members.. the way they think na im not a potential buyer... :D
correct.hirit ng hirit,di ka naman kilala. ::)
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actually.. im amazed at the salesperson in this country on the way they judge potential buyers..
same as some members.. the way they think na im not a potential buyer... :D
buti na lang kahit nakashorts and tsinelas lang ako nung bumili ng tv ineentertain ako ng salesperson
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buti na lang kahit nakashorts and tsinelas lang ako nung bumili ng tv ineentertain ako ng salesperson
face value e.. kamukha mo si ninoy... :D
btt na...
im now torn between 65 inch VT60, 75inch LEDf8000, and a 4ktv..
coming from 65in es8000 series... that has the dreaded clouding and vertical banding issues..
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face value e.. kamukha mo si ninoy... :D
btt na...
im now torn between 65 inch VT60, 75inch LEDf8000, and a 4ktv..
coming from 65in es8000 series... that has the dreaded clouding and vertical banding issues..
I would choose the 65VT60 from your choices. as nice as a 4K tv is, there's hardly any material for it yet.
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I would choose the 65VT60 from your choices. as nice as a 4K tv is, there's hardly any material for it yet.
true.. i was hoping on the fact that the 4ktv would upscale nicely..but thanks to sir clondalkin and his first hand info.. the 4ktv was bumped down the list..
its a toss up between the 75 in and the plasma..ill check the 75incher this weekend for issues i have now.. if a big improvement then ill get the 75..if same issues ill get the plasma..
but then again.. di naman ako potential buyer..so i haveto thank one member here that will get his 75in tv tonight and allowing me to see it this weekend.
you cant bank on stores here to demo it for me coz i often fail in their 'potential buyer' checklist
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OT: Sir Waxx, parang ang lalim nang pagka-tanim mo ah. Na-trato po ba kayo na parang hampas lupa? Ramdam na ramdam ko ang puot... :P
Oks lang yan sir. It's their loss. Ako rin naka pambahay minsan kung bumili nang appliance, kaya ayun, madalas rin na deadma. I'll just take my business somewhere else...
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OT: Sir Waxx, parang ang lalim nang pagka-tanim mo ah. Na-trato po ba kayo na parang hampas lupa? Ramdam na ramdam ko ang puot... :P
Oks lang yan sir. It's their loss. Ako rin naka pambahay minsan kung bumili nang appliance, kaya ayun, madalas rin na deadma. I'll just take my business somewhere else...
ahahahahha actually di naman.. di naman talaga ako bumibili sa mga stores sa mall. overpriced much.. i just look at the demo there and at times listen to the BS of the salesman and hear their claims.. minsan sobrang BS wala naman sa feature ng TV na yun.. ang sarap nga i record e..
nakakatawa lang on how people tend to judge buyers based on appearance.. or their posts for that matter..
btt na.. :D sorry for the OT.
sa totoo lang. di pa ako nakakita ng VT60 in action.. san ba meron sa pinas?
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sa totoo lang. di pa ako nakakita ng VT60 in action.. san ba meron sa pinas?
baka meron ang mga grey market sellers.
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baka meron ang mga grey market sellers.
actually wala akong makita e.. worst case scenario ill have to import it myself.. then again, if i didnt like it, will somebody buy it?
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actually wala akong makita e.. worst case scenario ill have to import it myself.. then again, if i didnt like it, will somebody buy it?
Sure, why not. Gandang TV ng VT60. Easy to sell if it's going to be a 50 incher. But 65 inch and up, it might be harder to sell.
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Sure, why not. Gandang TV ng VT60. Easy to sell if it's going to be a 50 incher. But 65 inch and up, it might be harder to sell.
unless idonate ni waxx sa less fortunate members (like me ;D) :)
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Tsip ang lalayo ng price range yata, so cost performance differences would be huge.
65VT60 can be had for around $3K, 75F8000 is about $7K while a 65-inch UHD is now at $5.5K
im now torn between 65 inch VT60, 75inch LEDf8000, and a 4ktv..
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Waxx sent u pm re 65TV60 :)
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Tsip ang lalayo ng price range yata, so cost performance differences would be huge.
65VT60 can be had for around $3K, 75F8000 is about $7K while a 65-inch UHD is now at $5.5K
tama sir.. the vt60 is around 2.7-3k landed price.. yan ang pinaka masarap sa bulsa..
the 4ktv is about 4.5k$, priced nearly with the 75inch here, which is around 210kpesos.(yes its cheaper here!!)
tyvm sir.. got your pm.. actually sa kanya rin siguro ako kukuha ng 75 if ever.. ill just have to review it first!
very best experience with sir dom...
Waxx sent u pm re 65TV60 :)
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actually wala akong makita e.. worst case scenario ill have to import it myself.. then again, if i didnt like it, will somebody buy it?
ako pero jaano gibbs ha ;D
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Parang mas OK ata mag import from HK or SG ng VT60. 220Vac na mas malapit ang presumably mas mura ang shipment?
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Ganda pala talaga ng F8500. I saw it beside its lower rank sibling, the F5500 and the difference in black levels and brightness is very obvious. Really worthy of its top of the line position.
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i finally saw VT60 sa Listening in style kahapon.. the blacks were indeed good.
but i think plasma is not for me.
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What size was the VT60 sir?
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What size was the VT60 sir?
atty. 65 inch. nasa 230k but negotiable pa daw..
katabi nya kasi was an 80inch behemoth.. di ko alam anong brand.. but its 4k ata
they were displaying the same source 1080p.
the images were the same if not better pa nga yung panny...
but im thinking the 80inch has local dimming na... parang ang hirap i edge light ang 80inch.
i could be wrong.. anyhoo did not take notice much of the 80inch 4k kasi.. wala talagang plan bilhin..
the panny looks good.. if i didnt come from 65inch LED i will get the panny..
pero sa presyo ng vt60, i will rather a 75inch LED.
bigger is better ika nga.
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Thanks for the quick reply.
atty. 65 inch. nasa 230k but negotiable pa daw..
Sabi ko na nga ba e ... ;D
Best selling plasma size is 50 inch. Pero ang available current series Panny plasma dito, wrong size na, wrong model pa, gray pa, late release pa. Best selling 2013 Panny Plasma is 50ST60. Available here, gray 65VT60. No wonder Panny plasma sales are so low.
Ang mahal pa. US list price of 65VT60 is only P142,384.03 ($3,299.99). Ang layo naman ng P230K, gray pa.
In comparison, US list price of Samsung 51F5300 is P51,776.441 ($1,199.99). Here, you can get a white unit for only P30K+. Panalo talaga, di hamak na mas mura sa US list price.
bigger is better ika nga.
Magastos na philosophy yan sir. ;)
Sa totoo lang, nakakasanayan ang TV size. Pag nasanay ka sa 42, OK na rin. Pero pag ayaw mong sanayin, kahit bumili ka ng 65, one week lang, parang maliit na rin. Bili ka naman ng 75. One week lang, parang maliit na naman. Walang katapusan yan.
but i think plasma is not for me.
OK lang yan sir. Both plasma and LED have their own set of problems. It's just a matter of preference either way.
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Thanks for the quick reply.
Sabi ko na nga ba e ... ;D
Best selling plasma size is 50 inch. Pero ang available current series Panny plasma dito, wrong size na, wrong model pa, gray pa, late release pa. Best selling 2013 Panny Plasma is 50ST60. Available here, gray 65VT60. No wonder Panny plasma sales are so low.
Ang mahal pa. US list price of 65VT60 is only P142,348.43 ($3,299.99). Ang layo naman ng P230K, gray pa.
In comparison, US list price of Samsung 51F5300 is P51,813.39 ($1,199.99). Here, you can get a white unit for only P30K+. Panalo talaga.
Magastos na philosophy yan sir. ;)
Sa totoo lang, nakakasanayan ang TV size. Pag nasanay ka sa 42, OK na rin. Pero pag ayaw mong sanayin, kahit bumili ka ng 65, one week lang, parang maliit na rin. Bili ka naman ng 75. One week lang, parang maliit na naman. Walang katapusan yan.
actually sa halagang 150-160k ok na sana.. pero maiisip mo, magdadagdag ka ng 40-50k naka 75inch led ka na..
yung size naman, happy ka na sa kung kelan kakayanin ng room mo.. hahahaha pero mukang stop na ako sa 75.. if i need a bigger one, ill just use the pj.. or sell the pj and settle at 103 inch..
pero thats far far far far pa.. like million pesoses far..
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How does the PQ of the VT60 compare to the LED that you are using, brader waxx?
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How does the PQ of the VT60 compare to the LED that you are using, brader waxx?
the reason why im letting go of the LED im using is coz of the bad backlight bleeding and vertical banding.. how i wish i didnt read about all of those in AVSforum.. also i started to notice those flaws after using psvita and the samsung galaxy phones with oled screens.. now i quickly get irritated and i always see the flaws on my tv.
as for the pic quality... i didnt spend a lot of time scrutinizing the plasma, all that i noticed was it had more shades of black compared to the LCD beside it.. colors were less vibrant.. coz i adjusted it to movie mode, unlike the LED beside it which was on dynamic mode.
i already exhausted the calibration of my LED... im not happy thats why im letting it go.. if the 75inch led is double the price (400k). i would have gotten the vt60. but economically speaking.. if you had 200k and you have a choice between a 65inch plasma (a dying technology-coz the LED is quickly catching up) and a 75inch above average LED flagship model.. which would you choose?
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if you had 200k and you have a choice between a 65inch plasma (a dying technology-coz the LED is quickly catching up) and a 75inch above average LED flagship model.. which would you choose?
If you're particular about picture quality, it has to be a plasma. In a dark room, malayo pa rin ang LED kahit flagship pa yan.
If it's a plasma, get a Sammy 64F8500. 2013's best TV na, mura pa at around P201,800:
http://www.ayosdito.ph/Samsung+Plasma+TV+64inch+PS+64F8500+Smart+3D+TV-6255070.htm (http://www.ayosdito.ph/Samsung+Plasma+TV+64inch+PS+64F8500+Smart+3D+TV-6255070.htm)
Wag mo nang pansinin yung kesyo dying technology ang plasma. May relevance lang yon sa manufacturer, hindi sa user. Hindi naman parang HD-DVD player yan na pag naging obsolete, wala nang mabiling HD-DVD discs. Kahit nga CRT TV pa yan, mapapanooran mo pa rin.
Kung ako, bibili ako ng plasma ngayon. Pag bibili na ako ng next TV ko, OLED naman.
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Meron sa sulit at P169K. :)
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Murang mura pala.
Sobra-sobra ang sukli sa P200K ni sir Waxx kung i-treat niya tayo sa steak dinner... ;)
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Available ba sa Pinas ang ZT60 series ng panny?
Saw one in FS, grabe. Nahiya ako sa 50" LG plasma ko which I already calibrated with Disney WOW.
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kung meron lang 75in na vt60.. tapos na ang usapan...
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There are still 42 units of the 65VT60 here in Menifee,
if may abutan ako by next year, probably around March or April,
I'd get one for the new house...
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kung meron lang 75in na vt60.. tapos na ang usapan...
may 85" na plasma ang Panasonic. ;D
http://www.panasonic.com/in/business/professional-display-panels/3d-full-hd-plasma-display/th-85vx200w.html (http://www.panasonic.com/in/business/professional-display-panels/3d-full-hd-plasma-display/th-85vx200w.html)
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^ im scared to know the price. It's tagged "professional".
But way cool.
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^ im scared to know the price. It's tagged "professional".
But way cool.
you'd be scared about its power consumption too. ;D
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Just dropped by Best Buy today and asked the manager on the best deal he can give me in the 65VT60,
price is at $2999, on sale now for $2699, but he'll slash off another $200
And if I get the extended warranty, it'll be around $2500,...
And he doubled check may 72 units pa, seems may aabutan pa ako till next year just in case,...
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Kaya pa pababain depende sa prices ng competitors diba? I saw Amazon dropped their prices to 2,399 until Friday last week. So when I visited Best Buy yesterday and the Magnolia guy told me that their price was 2,499, I asked for price match - he immediately checked Amazon but Amazon was back to 2,700 - hehehe.
Conversely, Amazon will price match but I prefer BB because I can possibly reimburse some of the tax.
Nakakatakot nga lang talaga magpadala sa Manila, although yung description ng crating ng shipper sounds OK. Blaha na.
Just dropped by Best Buy today and asked the manager on the best deal he can give me in the 65VT60,
price is at $2999, on sale now for $2699, but he'll slash off another $200
And if I get the extended warranty, it'll be around $2500,...
And he doubled check may 72 units pa, seems may aabutan pa ako till next year just in case,...
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Kaya pa pababain depende sa prices ng competitors diba? I saw Amazon dropped their prices to 2,399 until Friday last week. So when I visited Best Buy yesterday and the Magnolia guy told me that their price was 2,499, I asked for price match - he immediately checked Amazon but Amazon was back to 2,700 - hehehe.
Conversely, Amazon will price match but I prefer BB because I can possibly reimburse some of the tax.
Nakakatakot nga lang talaga magpadala sa Manila, although yung description ng crating ng shipper sounds OK. Blaha na.
Yes sir, they do price match,...
And hopefully by the time na kukuha na ako ay may sale sana,
or better yet may open box sila for further discount,...
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Check niyo prices on Black Friday. Baka bigla kayong mapabili. ;D
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2,150 daw price kung meron ng open box na VT60. Kaso taas baba talaga price so dapat bantay Jawo sa trends. 4 weeks back it was as low as 2,299.
Yes sir, they do price match,...
And hopefully by the time na kukuha na ako ay may sale sana,
or better yet may open box sila for further discount,...
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How true? Still no official confirmation from Panny. Ilang beses nang lumabas ang issue na ito. But this time, it looks like Panny's plasma exit will push through.
Just as I thought, this time it's real. On October 8, 2013, no confirmation from Panny. On October 31, 2013, Panny officially confirms:
Panasonic officially pulls plug on plasma TV business
posted on Thursday, 31st October 2013 by Steve May
"...Panasonic has finally, officially confirmed that it will close its plasma TV business at the end of this financial year."
http://www.insideci.co.uk/news/panasonic-officially-pulls-plug-on-plasma-tv-business.aspx (http://www.insideci.co.uk/news/panasonic-officially-pulls-plug-on-plasma-tv-business.aspx)
TV shoppers: Now is the time to buy a Panasonic plasma
by David Katzmaier
October 31, 2013
The end of an era is official. On March 31, 2014, Panasonic "will end sales of plasma TVs for consumer use and PDP-related products for commercial use," in the company's own words (http://panasonic.net/ir/relevant/2013/en131031-1.pdf). ...
... Now the most common question I get from readers is, "Should I buy a Panasonic plasma now?" My answer in general is almost always "yes," and now that I know they're going to be extinct soon, it's "YES!"
... Will Samsung continue making plasmas next year? What about LG? I don't know, but my guess is now that Panasonic has pulled out, those two already LCD-centric companies will also abandon the technology soon.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57610230-221/tv-shoppers-now-is-the-time-to-buy-a-panasonic-plasma/ (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57610230-221/tv-shoppers-now-is-the-time-to-buy-a-panasonic-plasma/)
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TV shoppers: Now is the time to buy a Panasonic plasma
by David Katzmaier
October 31, 2013
The end of an era is official. On March 31, 2014, Panasonic "will end sales of plasma TVs for consumer use and PDP-related products for commercial use," in the company's own words (http://panasonic.net/ir/relevant/2013/en131031-1.pdf). ...
... Now the most common question I get from readers is, "Should I buy a Panasonic plasma now?" My answer in general is almost always "yes," and now that I know they're going to be extinct soon, it's "YES!"
... Will Samsung continue making plasmas next year? What about LG? I don't know, but my guess is now that Panasonic has pulled out, those two already LCD-centric companies will also abandon the technology soon.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57610230-221/tv-shoppers-now-is-the-time-to-buy-a-panasonic-plasma/ (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57610230-221/tv-shoppers-now-is-the-time-to-buy-a-panasonic-plasma/)
sad end of an era. :(
on a side note, the 50S60 Full HD non-3D model looks like a good bargain! :D
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Goodbye Plasma (sad)
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Just as I thought, this time it's real. On October 8, 2013, no confirmation from Panny. On October 31, 2013, Panny officially confirms:
Panasonic officially pulls plug on plasma TV business
posted on Thursday, 31st October 2013 by Steve May
"...Panasonic has finally, officially confirmed that it will close its plasma TV business at the end of this financial year."
http://www.insideci.co.uk/news/panasonic-officially-pulls-plug-on-plasma-tv-business.aspx (http://www.insideci.co.uk/news/panasonic-officially-pulls-plug-on-plasma-tv-business.aspx)
TV shoppers: Now is the time to buy a Panasonic plasma
by David Katzmaier
October 31, 2013
The end of an era is official. On March 31, 2014, Panasonic "will end sales of plasma TVs for consumer use and PDP-related products for commercial use," in the company's own words (http://panasonic.net/ir/relevant/2013/en131031-1.pdf). ...
... Now the most common question I get from readers is, "Should I buy a Panasonic plasma now?" My answer in general is almost always "yes," and now that I know they're going to be extinct soon, it's "YES!"
... Will Samsung continue making plasmas next year? What about LG? I don't know, but my guess is now that Panasonic has pulled out, those two already LCD-centric companies will also abandon the technology soon.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57610230-221/tv-shoppers-now-is-the-time-to-buy-a-panasonic-plasma/ (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57610230-221/tv-shoppers-now-is-the-time-to-buy-a-panasonic-plasma/)
Oh NO!!! I love my PANA PLASMA!!!
Tsk tsk tsk... This is sad news indeed :(
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i'm having a hard time selling my 2012 e8000 plasma( i won it from my company xmas giveaways last yr.) coz most of my potential buyers think plasma is old and dead tech. now with this news this will surely put some ammunition on that argument ouch. once i get rid this e8000 i will surely get myself an LED panel perhaps the sony's w904 mababa na ngayon ang price nya last time i tsk sa SnS sulit account 55 inch. for a 90k not bad. so with this scenario at least i wont be having a hard time selling my w904 unit by the time ang OLED prices are affordable na...
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My Mar 2010 V2 is covered by warranty until Mar 2015, so aftersales support and availability of parts from Panasonic (in countries where they effectively apply) should give 5 more years to enjoy a Plasma from the last manufacturing date - Dec 2018 bale - just the right time to wait for 4K or 8K or whatever K comes out.
In the case of mid class SLRs, it used to be 8 years - kahit na bumagsak yung business (like Minolta for instance)
Problem is to save enough budget to buy a Panasonic V or Z before the stocks totally run out in 2014.
Buti nalang Samsung can make top-notch high end Plasmas already.
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Maganda nga ang V or Z series hopefully may ibaba pa sa thanks giving or black friday. I thinking of getting one.
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eto magiging available na locally yung kapalit ng plasma -
http://www.hardwarezone.com.ph/tech-news-lg-electronics-introduce-worlds-first-oled-tv-philippines
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with the news from panasonic that they are shutting down their plasma tv production, does it mean it's no longer advisable to get a plasma tv nowadays?
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with the news from panasonic that they are shutting down their plasma tv production, does it mean it's no longer advisable to get a plasma tv nowadays?
you cant go wrong buying a plasma still the best unless if your planning to selling it in the future then you'll be having hard time in doing that(e.g. like me i've been posting my e8000 and its been a month already no takers upto now here in cebu) becoz most of the folks think that plasma is old technology, power hugger,burn-in issues, to much heat etc..etc..
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Sa tingin ko mahirap ibenta ang E8000 kasi mahal, kasi highest-end yon. Kahit LED, pag highest-end, mahirap din ibenta.
Pag lower-end, madali lang ibenta kahit plasma o LED. Mas mura kasi.
Yung old plasmas ko, unahan pa yung kamag-anak ko kahit Panasonics yon (which is a less desirable brand for non-enthusiasts). Hindi na nga nakarating sa pdvd market place, benta agad. Paano puro low-end lang yung mga TV ko.
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I'm at ends between choosing the Samsung 51F5000 Full HD plasma and the Panasonic 50X60 HD-ready plasma. the 50X60 doesn't seem like a good value next to the 51F5000 though.
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with the news from panasonic that they are shutting down their plasma tv production, does it mean it's no longer advisable to get a plasma tv nowadays?
addigital - Plasma is still the best PQ & if you are not concerned with the power requirements against an LCD go for it. Although Panasonic may be shutting down their plasma tv production there will still be support for some time. You may even get a bargain ;D ;D ;D
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you cant go wrong buying a plasma still the best unless if your planning to selling it in the future then you'll be having hard time in doing that(e.g. like me i've been posting my e8000 and its been a month already no takers upto now here in cebu) becoz most of the folks think that plasma is old technology, power hugger,burn-in issues, to much heat etc..etc..
Totally agree skooter, unfortunately unless others are like us they are uninformed & unaware of the advantages. I must admit since I have relocated from the UK to Cebu I have seen the tendency to believe 'cheap is good' that refers to running costs as well.
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Sa tingin ko mahirap ibenta ang E8000 kasi mahal, kasi highest-end yon. Kahit LED, pag highest-end, mahirap din ibenta.
Pag lower-end, madali lang ibenta kahit plasma o LED. Mas mura kasi.
Yung old plasmas ko, unahan pa yung kamag-anak ko kahit Panasonics yon (which is a less desirable brand for non-enthusiasts). Hindi na nga nakarating sa pdvd market place, benta agad. Paano puro low-end lang yung mga TV ko.
actually okay lang sa akin kung walang takers for the meantime besides im enjoying this tv and i got it for free in the 1st place(company xma's raffle) ang reklamo kulang nitong e8000(64 inch.) is i can already feel the pain paying my monthly electric bills noong una sa 51e550(bininta ko na) ko 3.5k lang. Ang monthly ko ngayon(w/my e8000) umabot na halos 4 to 5k since im in cebu lang so having that consumption cost mataas nayan sa amin. so w/this sad news of panasonic lalo nag lest yung chance ko na mabenta itong dambuhalang tv nito. hehehehe...
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64 incher pala. Mahirap nga ibenta ang ganyang size. Dapat presyong low-end 50 inch ang bigay para mabilisan ang pag dispose.
I'm at ends between choosing the Samsung 51F5000 Full HD plasma and the Panasonic 50X60 HD-ready plasma. the 50X60 doesn't seem like a good value next to the 51F5000 though.
The choice is easy. Get the 1080p.
The newer 720p plasmas look terrible. Even from 10 feet away, I can see vertical stripes caused by large interpixel distances.
On older plasmas, even 480p looked OK. These days, interpixel distances on 720p plasmas are unacceptable. 720p Sammy plasma also has it, but 720p Panny plasma is worse.
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a samsung plasma 2013 51 inch. F8500 w/ free high end samsung HTIB(HT-F6550) price offer is 94k ++
a sony LED 2013 55 inch. W804a w/ free 250GB PS3 Slim price offer is 94k++
i cannot decide w/c one of these package has a great value but my thoughts is leaning on F8500 considering it's an award winning HDTV for 2013 but the sony package is hard to ignore too since we don't have a PS3 system in the house and the kids would love to have a PS3 btw barrister someone call me and would like to tsk my 64E8000 hopefully we could make a deal.
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Good luck sa buyer sir. Mabibili rin yan.
a samsung plasma 2013 51 inch. F8500 w/ free high end samsung HTIB(HT-F6550) price offer is 94k ++
Hindi na kasi uso ang HTiB kaya naka package na lang. Ang dali pang masira ng mga HTiB na yan. Blu-ray playback ang unang masisira.
Bibilib ako pag high end soundbar ang naka package. ;)
a sony LED 2013 55 inch. W804a w/ free 250GB PS3 Slim price offer is 94k++
... but the sony package is hard to ignore too since we don't have a PS3 system in the house and the kids would love to have a PS3 ...
Ayaw nila ng PS4? 8)
Seriously, don't indulge them. Game consoles are time wasters that are not good for kids. In their spare time, kids would be better off reading a good book or learning a musical instrument.
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Am still gonna get a VT60,
hahabol ako talaga sa last batch ng plasma,...
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sana maging locally available ang Panasonic S60, ST60, VT60, at ZT60. ::)
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Clarifications:
Is the 64F8000 a plasma and how much are you selling it for?
actually okay lang sa akin kung walang takers for the meantime besides im enjoying this tv and i got it for free in the 1st place(company xma's raffle) ang reklamo kulang nitong e8000(64 inch.) is i can already feel the pain paying my monthly electric bills noong una sa 51e550(bininta ko na) ko 3.5k lang. Ang monthly ko ngayon(w/my e8000) umabot na halos 4 to 5k since im in cebu lang so having that consumption cost mataas nayan sa amin. so w/this sad news of panasonic lalo nag lest yung chance ko na mabenta itong dambuhalang tv nito. hehehehe...
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sana maging locally available ang Panasonic S60, ST60, VT60, at ZT60. ::)
Ano ano bang panny plasma models ang available locally? sana ma experience ko to.. :(
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sana maging locally available ang Panasonic S60, ST60, VT60, at ZT60. ::)
ang mura sa ibang online stores, sana available dito sa ganun na price... :'(
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65vt60 sa lis is 230k
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Panny 4K LED review, with comparisons to a low-end Panny plasma S64 1080p:
New input, 4K resolution do not a great TV make
By David Katzmaier
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4K LED vs. 1080p plasma
... No difference was visible in most of the shots. In fact, as I watched "Red 800" repeatedly, the number of scenes where I expected 4K to look better -- but it simply wasn't -- far surpassed those where I could see a difference.
... In many scenes its bright areas spilled over into adjacent dark areas noticeably, creating a distinct clouding effect and spoiling much of the impact its otherwise deep black levels conveyed -- in the robes of the evildoers (46:19) and throughout the Room of Requirement scenes, for example.
... In very dark areas I also detected a bit of a bluish cast, made more visible by the brighter black levels and blooming. Once again it wasn't major though, and much less obvious than I've seen on many other TVs.
Subjectively, colors on the WT600 lacked the level of punch and vibrancy I saw on many of the other TVs. That's mainly due, I presume, to its somewhat weaker black level performance, since deeper blacks always lead to purer, more saturated color.
... I showed the "Samsara" comparison using the three 65-inch sets to a lot of other viewers as well around the CNET office, and all agreed that the differences were subtle to nonexistent. They weren't able to pick out the 4K TVs until they walked right up to the screen -- close enough to see pixel structure on the 1080p plasma. For me, that distance is about 4 feet.
I tried a few other films on Blu-ray, including "Brave," a spectacularly detailed animated Pixar title, and the action-heavy "Skyfall," but in every case the only advantages in detail -- subtle and infrequent as they were -- were enjoyed by the 1080p TV.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-l65wt600/4505-6482_7-35827200.html (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-l65wt600/4505-6482_7-35827200.html)
New high-end 1080p plasmas can do 1080 lines of motion resolution. This 4K LED can only do 900 lines of motion resolution.
Bili na ng plasma habang meron pa... :D
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it's really sad na magiging ganito ang state ng plasma..hope they marketed it better para ma inform mga tao..samsung na lang pag asa natin nito..
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if the 4k lcd panel would still not spark the consumer's interest then its bye bye tv bizness for both sony and panasonic.
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When I requested BB to show me the same HD NFL broadcast on the 4K Samsung and Panasonic, I thought he would hesitate but willingly did it. But upon showing that there was no difference with the 1080p HDTVs, he had to immediately switch to the 4K demo material. Mahirap ibenta if they don't show proper demos.
4K UHTV is simply too far ahead in technology compared to contents, especially that of TV broadcast.
Panny 4K LED review, with comparisons to a low-end Panny plasma S64 1080p:
New input, 4K resolution do not a great TV make
By David Katzmaier
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But upon showing that there was no difference with the 1080p HDTVs, he had to immediately switch to the 4K demo material. Mahirap ibenta if they don't show proper demos.
4K UHTV is simply too far ahead in technology compared to contents, especially that of TV broadcast.
Kamusta sir ang 4K demo source on 4K Sammy vs 4K Panny? Both good?
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On David Katzmaier's review, he used, among others, 4K demo material and played it on a 4K Redray player connected to a 4K Panny LED and 1080p Panny plasma, both 65 inchers:
(http://www.hdtvmagazine.us/articles/images/Livingwith4KTheREDRAY4KDigitalCinemaPlay_1514B/image_3.png)
(http://shop.panasonic.com/images/product/2013/tc-l65wt600/TC-L65WT600_2_400f.png)(http://shop.panasonic.com/dotAsset/9d2e8810-f40a-4ca2-9cdc-e32edd791a77.jpg)
The test consisted of playing the same content side by side on the WT600, a 65-inch 4K LED LCD TV, and the Panasonic TC-P65ST64, a 65-inch 1080p plasma TV. That content originated on a pair of Redray 4K video players (http://www.red.com/store/products/redray-player) -- professional-quality source devices, essentially hard drives with video outputs -- that play back the proprietary, high-bit-rate Redcode Raw codec. One was connected to the WT600 and outputting 4K (at 4,096x2,060 pixels, so scaled somewhat by the WT600), while the other was connected to the S64 and downconverting that same 4K footage to 1080p.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-l65wt600/4505-6482_7-35827200.html (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-l65wt600/4505-6482_7-35827200.html)
Hindi pa rin bumilib si Katzmaier sa 4K LED.
Sayang, kung may 4K plasma vs. 1080p plasma shootout, yun sana ang maganda. Kaya lang, malabo nang magkaroon ng 4K plasma.
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Sayang, kung may 4K plasma vs. 1080p plasma shootout, yun sana ang maganda. Kaya lang, malabo nang magkaroon ng 4K plasma.
meron! Panasonic's 152 inch plasma: http://www.panasonic.com/business/plasma/3d/3d-plasma-th-152ux1.asp (http://www.panasonic.com/business/plasma/3d/3d-plasma-th-152ux1.asp)
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Wala, sir. Umorder ako, wala daw e... (Joke :D )
Seriously, kahit prototype sa CES 2013 and IFA 2013 wala silang display na 4K plasma. May professional model sa website, pero order basis siguro. Palagay ko wala namang umorder.
Ngayon pa na hinto na ang plasma nila, wala na talaga.
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Eyeing for the 65vt60 as well. Hopefully before end of year. ;D
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Has anyone seen the 65VT60 gone lower than $2,299? (that's the lowest price I saw sa BB in Sept while Amazon went down to 2,399 a few weeks back).
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Wow at that price sungaban ko na agad. Still around 3k here on my area. :(
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Has anyone seen the 65VT60 gone lower than $2,299? (that's the lowest price I saw sa BB in Sept while Amazon went down to 2,399 a few weeks back).
Hmm i havent visited BB pero sa tingin ko yung yung 60 inch yan $2299. Sana bumaba pa yung 65 inch december or black friday.
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... There's one obstacle for plama's future: 4K. Since it's unlikely that any company will invest in a plasma factory with 4K capability, it looks like plasma will forever max out at 2K.
I was just guessing at the time (Oct. 15), but in a new article, HDTVTest now also theorizes that it was 4K that stopped the Panny plasma. The article has a good tech discussion:
What Killed Panasonic Plasma TV? 4K Ultra HD (Or Lack Thereof)
By Vincent Teoh
13 November 2013, 2:52 pm GMT
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-plasma-201311133417.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-plasma-201311133417.htm)
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I was just guessing at the time (Oct. 15), but in a new article, HDTVTest now also theorizes that it was 4K that stopped the Panny plasma. The article has a good tech discussion:
What Killed Panasonic Plasma TV? 4K Ultra HD (Or Lack Thereof)
By Vincent Teoh
13 November 2013, 2:52 pm GMT
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-plasma-201311133417.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-plasma-201311133417.htm)
This is a sad news i hope i can get one VT or ZT series this black friday.
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I hope some local AV stores sell the S60, ST60, VT60, and ZT60. so far only the 50X60 is locally available, and IMO, it's not worth getting.
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I hope some local AV stores sell the S60, ST60, VT60, and ZT60. so far only the 50X60 is locally available, and IMO, it's not worth getting.
+ a million... sadly, we would have to face the grim fact that this much more close to being impossible, esp with panny letting off their plasma line by March 2014.
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I hope some local AV stores sell the S60, ST60, VT60, and ZT60. so far only the 50X60 is locally available, and IMO, it's not worth getting.
The way I see it, ST60, VT60 and ZT60 are not worth getting either. What a buyer needs is the availability of reliable parts and service in case something goes wrong.
You think Panny will provide us with reliable parts and service for those TVs?
They can't even provide us with the TV itself. Parts and servce pa ba ang pagtiyagaan niyan? :D
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I hope some local AV stores sell the S60, ST60, VT60, and ZT60. so far only the 50X60 is locally available, and IMO, it's not worth getting.
Di ba naging locally available ang ST50 which is not locally release?
The way I see it, ST60, VT60 and ZT60 are not worth getting either. What a buyer needs is the availability of reliable parts and service in case something goes wrong.
You think Panny will provide us with reliable parts and service for those TVs?
They can't even provide us with the TV itself. Parts and servce pa ba ang pagtiyagaan niyan? :D
Swerte mo na lang din pag nasira agad yung TV.
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Di ba naging locally available ang ST50 which is not locally release?
yes, yung 65ST50. I saw in on display at SM Appliance, Makati before. it was also included in the Panasonic Philippines brochure.
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Di ba naging locally available ang ST50 which is not locally release?
Yes, first one I saw was in Sept 2012 at LiS Shang. I was looking for 50", pero 65 inch lang ang available. Price was P200k+.
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$2,399 ulit sa Amazon ang 65VT60.
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Ayus mukhang 65 na bibilhin ko sa black friday.
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sir barrister, kung ikaw pipili, Panny 65vt60 o Sammy 64F8500?
Natanong ko lang kasi I am having this itch to upgrade from Panny 60ut50, I am a Panasonic fan, pero what I've read is nanalo though by slim margin yung Samsung over Panasonic. Also dito sa lugar ko, cheaper by almost 1k dollars yung Samsung.
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Pasingit ne.
Have you actually seen both sets? If you have or you actually can, no need to rely on those professional reviewers doing their thing under very controlled conditions - which most owners won't probably have in their own houses. You can't be wrong with any of those 2 models. Just choose whichever your own eyes like better assuming price is not an issue. I'm sure after-sales support would be OK in Australia.
Kung mura ng $1000 ang Samsung, that's very huge. In the US right now, that Samsung is much more expensive than the VT60 but cheaper than the ZT60. That's why if I have to actually buy right now, I would choose the VT60 over the 8500 not only because Im satisfied with it's picture quality but also for the savings. Kung naging pareho ang price ng VT60 and 8500, then it would be a big dilemma because I also like the image quality of the 8500 (under Movie mode) and I really like the brightness of the image. In my opinion, I think the 8500 is better overall than the VT60 (but ZT60 is the best) despite that terribly narrow vertical angle of view when viewed very near at a steep angle (nobody normal is gonna watch that way) but my loyalty to the Panasonic brand is pretty strong (para ring Japanese car vs Korean car syndrome).
Kung maliwanag ang bahay mo, the brighter Samsung image would be very advantageous for sure.
.... kung ikaw pipili, Panny 65vt60 o Sammy 64F8500?
Natanong ko lang kasi I am having this itch to upgrade from Panny 60ut50, I am a Panasonic fan, pero what I've read is nanalo though by slim margin yung Samsung over Panasonic. Also dito sa lugar ko, cheaper by almost 1k dollars yung Samsung.
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Pasingit ne.
Have you actually seen both sets? If you have or you actually can, no need to rely on those professional reviewers doing their thing under very controlled conditions - which most owners won't probably have in their own houses. You can't be wrong with any of those 2 models. Just choose whichever your own eyes like better assuming price is not an issue. I'm sure after-sales support would be OK in Australia.
Kung mura ng $1000 ang Samsung, that's very huge. In the US right now, that Samsung is much more expensive than the VT60 but cheaper than the ZT60. That's why if I have to actually buy right now, I would choose the VT60 over the 8500 not only because Im satisfied with it's picture quality but also for the savings. Kung naging pareho ang price ng VT60 and 8500, then it would be a big dilemma because I also like the image quality of the 8500 (under Movie mode) and I really like the brightness of the image. In my opinion, I think the 8500 is better overall than the VT60 (but ZT60 is the best) despite that terribly narrow vertical angle of view when viewed very near at a steep angle (nobody normal is gonna watch that way) but my loyalty to the Panasonic brand is pretty strong (para ring Japanese car vs Korean car syndrome).
Kung maliwanag ang bahay mo, the brighter Samsung image would be very advantageous for sure.
Great input sir,...
Will definitely look into the Samsung as well,
Nakatuon lang kasi ang mata ko sa Viera,
Will check the Samsung as well,...
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sir barrister, kung ikaw pipili, Panny 65vt60 o Sammy 64F8500?
Natanong ko lang kasi I am having this itch to upgrade from Panny 60ut50, I am a Panasonic fan, pero what I've read is nanalo though by slim margin yung Samsung over Panasonic. Also dito sa lugar ko, cheaper by almost 1k dollars yung Samsung.
For me, Sammy. Nasa Philippines kasi ako, at bano ang marketing ng Panny sa Pinas, kaya malamang palpak din ang service.
Pero dahil nasa abroad ka naman at mukhang ok ang Panny sa lugar mo, ok lang kahit Sammy o Panny, depende sa preference mo. Bigyan na lang kita ng guide.
Yes, panalo ang Sammy sa 2013 VE shootout with a very slight lead. But remember, dalawang voting groups ang ginamit doon. Sa audience votes, panalo ang Sammy by 0.2 point; sa experts' votes, panalo naman ang Panny, but only by 0.1 point. Considered winner nga ang Sammy using the audience votes, pero panalo rin naman ang Panny using the experts' votes.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57584396-221/samsung-f8500-plasma-wins-value-electronics-shootout/ (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57584396-221/samsung-f8500-plasma-wins-value-electronics-shootout/)
Either way, sobrang liit lang ng lead. Ewan ko kung may significant and observable difference nga in real-world usage.
Sa color accuracy, traditionally mas magaling ang Sammy, pero this 2013, halos pareho na lang sila. Mas magaling pa nga ang Panny, according to the experts' votes.
Ang malaking contribution sa Sammy score ay yung brightness level. Sammy ka na kung importante sa iyo yon.
Pero kung importante sa iyo ang black levels (at talagang importante nga ang black levels), Panny dapat ang choice mo. Lalo na kung may dark room ka naman. Besides, sanay ka na sa Panny, so sa tingin ko mas bagay sa iyo ang Panny.
Ang wala diyan sa shootout ay yung fan noise na nababasa ko sa forums. May mga nagrereklamo sa ingay ng cooling fans sa Panny. Isa pang problema sa cooling fans, pag nag fail ang fan, siguradong may masisira sa TV. Ang Sammy, walang cooling fans. For me, advantage ng Sammy yon.
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For me, Sammy. Nasa Philippines kasi ako, at bano ang marketing ng Panny sa Pinas, kaya malamang palpak din ang service.
Pero dahil nasa abroad ka naman at mukhang ok ang Panny sa lugar mo, ok lang kahit Sammy o Panny, depende sa preference mo. Bigyan na lang kita ng guide.
Yes, panalo ang Sammy sa 2013 VE shootout with a very slight lead. But remember, dalawang voting groups ang ginamit doon. Sa audience votes, panalo ang Sammy by 0.2 point; sa experts' votes, panalo naman ang Panny, but only by 0.1 point. Considered winner nga ang Sammy using the audience votes, pero panalo rin naman ang Panny using the experts' votes.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57584396-221/samsung-f8500-plasma-wins-value-electronics-shootout/ (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57584396-221/samsung-f8500-plasma-wins-value-electronics-shootout/)
Either way, sobrang liit lang ng lead. Ewan ko kung may significant and observable difference nga in real-world usage.
Sa color accuracy, traditionally mas magaling ang Sammy, pero this 2013, halos pareho na lang sila. Mas magaling pa nga ang Panny, according to the experts' votes.
Ang malaking contribution sa Sammy score ay yung brightness level. Sammy ka na kung importante sa iyo yon.
Pero kung importante sa iyo ang black levels (at talagang importante nga ang black levels), Panny dapat ang choice mo. Lalo na kung may dark room ka naman. Besides, sanay ka na sa Panny, so sa tingin ko mas bagay sa iyo ang Panny.
Ang wala diyan sa shootout ay yung fan noise na nababasa ko sa forums. May mga nagrereklamo sa ingay ng cooling fans sa Panny. Isa pang problema sa cooling fans, pag nag fail ang fan, siguradong may masisira sa TV. Ang Sammy, walang cooling fans. For me, advantage ng Sammy yon.
sir, if i may join the discussion ... with that slight difference, i think that the $1,000 difference is a very compelling reason to go Sammy ... and with regards to higher brightness level, this makes Sammy more flexible on room location - by the next upgrade kasi, baka ma-move na from dark media room to a brighter living room yung tv :)
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Yes, mabigat na factor din ang price.
Ang laki kasi ng price difference, kaya mahirap din mag decide in favor of Panny, kung napakagaling na TV din naman yung Sammy.
Lalo na after a few years at ibebenta mo na ang Panny VT60 mo. Baka mahirapan ka nang magbenta, kasi ang potential buyer mo, natatakot na wala siyang makuhang parts, in case na masira sa kanya. Kasi nga stop production na ang Panny plasma.
Pag nahirapan kang magbenta, siguradong baratan ang negotiations niyan. Lugi ka na talaga. Napamahal na ang bili mo, napamura pa ang benta mo.
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Malaki ang $1000 difference, just talked to Best Buy,
am sticking with the 65VT60, may sobra pa akong pambili ng SVS,... ^-^
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Yeah it appears na baliktad ang pricing situation ng US and Australia with regard to these 2 specific models. With that level of savings, I would choose the VT60 in the US and the 8500 in Australia.
Agree with Barrister's post, well at least based on Magnolia Room's demo models, mas accurate ang color saturation ng Panny and the black levels are better. Pero those differences probably wouldn't matter when you bring a VT60 or an 8500 home where you have no side-by-side comparison na. And mas marami ka talagang flexibility sa installation location with a brighter image. For those who are used to LED brightness, the 8500 is almost like something between a plasma and an LED. That is not to say that the VT60 would not be suitable for a bright room - it will be OK as well. Even the ST series is OK under lights.
Having cooling fans has never been an issue for me - and my TV room in Tokyo is very narrow. As long as the after-sales support of the maker is good in your country, I don't think this will be a major issue. Wala ba talagang cooling fans ang Samsung for their top of the line model? - I find that rather strange considering the amount of heat that high quality plasma panels produce - and these new TVs are getting thinner, thus proper heat dissipation becomes a bigger challenge.
I would strongly suggest getting an extended warranty if you get this level and size of TV. Hindi mo naman maiisip ibebenta yung ganitong TV dahil maganda talaga and 65 is huge - but having extended warranty coverage for a reasonable amount of additional money is good. My 2010 V2 is covered under 2015. Unfortunately, I didn't have a similar option for the VT30 purchased from SNS.
Malaki ang $1000 difference, just talked to Best Buy,
am sticking with the 65VT60, may sobra pa akong pambili ng SVS,... ^-^
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Pasingit ne.
Have you actually seen both sets? If you have or you actually can, no need to rely on those professional reviewers doing their thing under very controlled conditions - which most owners won't probably have in their own houses. You can't be wrong with any of those 2 models. Just choose whichever your own eyes like better assuming price is not an issue. I'm sure after-sales support would be OK in Australia.
Kung mura ng $1000 ang Samsung, that's very huge. In the US right now, that Samsung is much more expensive than the VT60 but cheaper than the ZT60. That's why if I have to actually buy right now, I would choose the VT60 over the 8500 not only because Im satisfied with it's picture quality but also for the savings. Kung naging pareho ang price ng VT60 and 8500, then it would be a big dilemma because I also like the image quality of the 8500 (under Movie mode) and I really like the brightness of the image. In my opinion, I think the 8500 is better overall than the VT60 (but ZT60 is the best) despite that terribly narrow vertical angle of view when viewed very near at a steep angle (nobody normal is gonna watch that way) but my loyalty to the Panasonic brand is pretty strong (para ring Japanese car vs Korean car syndrome).
Kung maliwanag ang bahay mo, the brighter Samsung image would be very advantageous for sure.
thanks sir sa inputs. I haven't seen them na magkatabi talaga, they are a few meters apart from each other, from my observation, could be dahil lang sa sample material, mas dark ang 8500. yung bahay ko din is maliwanag kaya parang leaning towards 8500, kaso yung Panny Fanboy inside me wants Panasonic. Yung 64vt60 is 3.8k Aud, and the Samsung 64F8500 is nasa 2.8k, its a big difference.
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Wala ba talagang cooling fans ang Samsung for their top of the line model? - I find that rather strange considering the amount of heat that high quality plasma panels produce - and these new TVs are getting thinner, thus proper heat dissipation becomes a bigger challenge.
Nabasa ko lang sir sa avforums (UK):
http://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-f8500-ps64f8500-64-inch-1080p-3d-plasma-tv-review.506 (http://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-f8500-ps64f8500-64-inch-1080p-3d-plasma-tv-review.506)
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So far parehas ang 64f8500 at 65vt60 ng presyo dito sa vancouver. Mga 3.5k pa din. Unang papalo sa 2.5k grab ko na agad. Sana. Hehe
Kung meron lang sana sasakyan oorder na ako sa US and padeliver ko sa kaklase ko malapit sa border. :D
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^ im scared to know the price. It's tagged "professional".
But way cool.
Hi Setsuko, in the UK 85" - P2.3M, 103" - P5.2M & I think the 152" is around P17.5M.
It's a sad day for the loss of Pioneer & Panasonic in the PDP business so I will treasure my TH - 85VX200W when it finally arrives here from the UK.
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Hi Racer. Wow on your new TV. Maybe in my next life I can afford a P700k TV too. lolz
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I got the tentative approval from Kumander, kung mabenta ko daw ng 1k yung tv ko, approved ang 64F8500! :)
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Best Buy's discounted price for the Panasonic 65VT60 - $2250
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meron nang Panasonic 60U50 (60" Full HD) sa Sound & Vision (tein)! :D its price is very tempting! ::)
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220VAC?
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220VAC?
I'll confirm with tein.
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I am seeing a lot of converted USA plasmas at AV stores lately from 110 to 220vac. Auto-volt daw.
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Naaamoy ko na ang 65vt60! Ang kapalit- mag exercise 30mins araw araw for 3 months. :b
I was in a big Big AV store in Melb, nagtanong ako kung magkano ang best price nila sa 64F8500 and 65Vt60, the salesguy said " don't get the F8500, we are clearing them out, a lot of units have been returned due to different problems, you seem to be a nice guy, don't go thru the stress of getting it and then sending it back".
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ayus yung salesguy ah!
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BTW, apparently nauuna nga ang Samsung in OLED and even UHD. I can understand the 8K-9K street price for the 55 inch 4K OLED or 65 inch UHD considering how much more beautiful the images look compared to the current top of the line 1080p TVs, but I really don't get the point of curving a 55-inch screen, not even a 65 inch screen...not big enough to curve and nakakailang lang.
Bakit nga ba naka curve? Diba they spend so much time and money marketing flat and near flat CRTs tapos ngayon balik na naman sa curved screen?
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Bakit nga ba naka curve? Diba they spend so much time and money marketing flat and near flat CRTs tapos ngayon balik na naman sa curved screen?
nice catch ... ganyan nga marketing nila before sa mga mas bagong crt - "flat screen" ... pero mukhang baligtad naman ang curve ngayon :)
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Bakit nga ba naka curve? Diba they spend so much time and money marketing flat and near flat CRTs tapos ngayon balik na naman sa curved screen?
Curved nga ang CRT, pero convex curve naman, hindi concave. Para maging flat, mas mahirap ang design. Para maging concave, hindi lang mahirap, imposible pa.
Ang LCD/LED/plasma, flat lang ang puwede, hindi kaya ang concave/convex.
Now, for the first time, meron nang concave screen. OLED lang ang puwedeng gumawa ng concave curve.
Hindi bumalik sa convex curve. Imbis na bumalik, bumaliktad pa nga.
nice catch ... ganyan nga marketing nila before sa mga mas bagong crt - "flat screen" ... pero mukhang baligtad naman ang curve ngayon :)
Tama yan.
Sa marketing, ang tawag diyan ay product differentiation. The objective is to make it different from all others, so that the product becomes more desirable to a certain consumer group.
Kung flat lang ang OLED, e di pareho lang porma sa LED and plasma. Pag curved, siguradong OLED yon, kasi walang ibang slim TV na curved. Status symbol. Mas pogi ka pag may ganon ka. ;)
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So it's mainly for product differentiation? Meron ba itong benefit in terms of picture quality? I'm thinking all this does is narrow the viewing angle / limit the viewing area.
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i think i've read an article a month ago that SONY has a curved LCD/LED panel i forgot where i find it. anyway somewhere in this thread wrote that there's a lot of customer complain about the sammy's F8500 and a salesman here in cebu told me they've got a lot of complain about this F8500 and worse there's one customer sue them for not allowing him to return back his F8500. most of the complains daw nag crack daw yun panel, i don't know folks but this story seems ligit after i've read a post in this thread.
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this post is from a certain anchit ----- I was in a big Big AV store in Melb, nagtanong ako kung magkano ang best price nila sa 64F8500 and 65Vt60, the salesguy said " don't get the F8500, we are clearing them out, a lot of units have been returned due to different problems, you seem to be a nice guy, don't go thru the stress of getting it and then sending it back".
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this post is from a certain anchit ----- I was in a big Big AV store in Melb, nagtanong ako kung magkano ang best price nila sa 64F8500 and 65Vt60, the salesguy said " don't get the F8500, we are clearing them out, a lot of units have been returned due to different problems, you seem to be a nice guy, don't go thru the stress of getting it and then sending it back".
and your point is???...
ahhh gets ko na point nyo.. meaning sirain ang f8500 dahil sa sinabi ng salesman in cebu at sa sinabi ng salesman kay anchit..
ok... somebody also told me once that the world will end in year2000.. almost believed him..
anyhoo.. since wala akong pambili ng UHDTV at plasma.. di ako pinapansin ng mga salesman dito.. kaya ayun.. LED nalang uli binili ko..
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So it's mainly for product differentiation? Meron ba itong benefit in terms of picture quality? I'm thinking all this does is narrow the viewing angle / limit the viewing area.
Picture quality benefit? No, walang benefit yon.
May advantage sa projector & screen ng sinehan. Walang advantage sa panel na pambahay kasi maliit na, hindi pa front-projection.
Yes, it limits the viewing area "sweet spot." If you're sitting on the right side of the room, the left side of the screen is angled towards you, but the right side of the screen is angled away from you. Nagkakaroon ng distortion.
I agree with this article:
Why curved OLED TVs are a bad idea
Opinion - Television is entering a new age of stupid!
By Steve May August 27th
http://www.techradar.com/news/television/why-curved-oled-tvs-are-a-bad-idea-1176000 (http://www.techradar.com/news/television/why-curved-oled-tvs-are-a-bad-idea-1176000)
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an update about the Panasonic 60U50 that tein is selling: it's 220V and comes with 1 year Panasonic warranty.
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I guess for HDTV's that are at least 80" diagonal, it may be OK to curve but I don't think it's necessary unless they change the aspect ratio of the TV and make it wider than 16:9.
I didn't notice any distortion on the curved OLED when viewed from one side only, but perhaps I got too distracted by the curve - it just felt meaningless for the given sizes of the demo OLEDs.
So it's mainly for product differentiation? Meron ba itong benefit in terms of picture quality? I'm thinking all this does is narrow the viewing angle / limit the viewing area.
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I guess for HDTV's that are at least 80" diagonal, it may be OK to curve but I don't think it's necessary unless they change the aspect ratio of the TV and make it wider than 16:9.
I didn't notice any distortion on the curved OLED when viewed from one side only, but perhaps I got too distracted by the curve - it just felt meaningless for the given sizes of the demo OLEDs.
if it's not practical for 50 or 60-incher TV's, i'm not sure why they are releasing curved phones with very small screens ... mukhang marketing lang talaga
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Picture quality benefit? No, walang benefit yon.
May advantage sa projector & screen ng sinehan. Walang advantage sa panel na pambahay kasi maliit na, hindi pa front-projection.
Yes, it limits the viewing area "sweet spot." If you're sitting on the right side of the room, the left side of the screen is angled towards you, but the right side of the screen is angled away from you. Nagkakaroon ng distortion.
I agree with this article:
Why curved OLED TVs are a bad idea
Opinion - Television is entering a new age of stupid!
By Steve May August 27th
http://www.techradar.com/news/television/why-curved-oled-tvs-are-a-bad-idea-1176000 (http://www.techradar.com/news/television/why-curved-oled-tvs-are-a-bad-idea-1176000)
I'm with you barrister.
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I've narrowed my plasma tv choices to these 3:
Panasonic 60U50 60" Full HD Plasma TV - 75k
Panasonic 50VT30 50" Full HD 3D Plasma TV - 62k (there are still a few stocks of this tv in Manila)
Samsung 51F5000 - 43k (w/ free 28" LED tv or 30+k without the "free" tv)
my heart is saying "bigger is better" but my brain is saying, "play it safe, save some money, and get the Samsung." ::) :P
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Panasonic 60U50 60" Full HD Plasma TV - 75k
Panasonic 50VT30 50" Full HD 3D Plasma TV - 62k (there are still a few stocks of this tv in Manila)
san mo nakita yung 60" @ 75k bro? yan na kunin mo :D
kaso nga lang maganda din talaga kasi kulay ng vt30, wag mo nalang side by side .. bigger is better naman ;D
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The U series is quite OK in the dark. I havent seen the Samsung in action.
My entire household and all relatives are still awed by the VT30.
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The U series is quite OK in the dark. I havent seen the Samsung in action.
My entire household and all relatives are still awed by the VT30.
bro alan medyo alanganin ako sa quite OK ;D
let's say vt30 is 100 points ilan points ang U50?
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san mo nakita yung 60" @ 75k bro? yan na kunin mo :D
kaso nga lang maganda din talaga kasi kulay ng vt30, wag mo nalang side by side .. bigger is better naman ;D
kay tein/ Sound & Vision.
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I'm trying to be diplomatic my friend. hehehe. Seriously, I think practically every plasma model should look nice in a dark room - and the black level of the UT model is strong. I've actually seen the UT50 beside the ST50 side by side in a pretty dark area of Frys. i would be lying if I tell you that I could easily distinguish between the two. Then got a similar chance in another branch with some ceiling lights - that situation, kitang kita difference ng reflectiveness and clarity and color of reflection.
Parang namamahalan ako sa 75K na U series while the 30K Samsung is really reasonable. For the VT30, that's the premium you have to pay. But do you have any regrets paying that much?
bro alan medyo alanganin ako sa quite OK ;D
let's say vt30 is 100 points ilan points ang U50?
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I'm trying to be diplomatic my friend. hehehe. Seriously, I think practically every plasma model should look nice in a dark room - and the black level of the UT model is strong. I've actually seen the UT50 beside the ST50 side by side in a pretty dark area of Frys. i would be lying if I tell you that I could easily distinguish between the two. Then got a similar chance in another branch with some ceiling lights - that situation, kitang kita difference ng reflectiveness and clarity and color of reflection.
Parang namamahalan ako sa 75K na U series while the 30K Samsung is really reasonable. For the VT30, that's the premium you have to pay. But do you have any regrets paying that much?
nope sulit na sulit ang pag acquire ko ng 50VT30 bro ;D
planning to do a size upgrade sana na mura lang ;D kaya nung mabasa ko post ni dtns medyo nagising dugo ko ;D
100% of the time naman dark room ako eh, hmmm pwede na UT50? ;D
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nope sulit na sulit ang pag acquire ko ng 50VT30 bro ;D
planning to do a size upgrade sana na mura lang ;D kaya nung mabasa ko post ni dtns medyo nagising dugo ko ;D
100% of the time naman dark room ako eh, hmmm pwede na UT50? ;D
Hi bro ninja, I would just keep your 50vt30 and just get a projector. That's what I did, I kept my 55 inch led, yung pj ko for intense, awesome movies para tipid sa lamp lol...if you want size talaga and used to watching in the dark, for me ok na ok yung projector. Marami na lumalabas na 1000usd and under na pj hehehe.. 3d and 1080p na.
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Hi bro ninja, I would just keep your 50vt30 and just get a projector. That's what I did, I kept my 55 inch led, yung pj ko for intense, awesome movies para tipid sa lamp lol...if you want size talaga and used to watching in the dark, for me ok na ok yung projector. Marami na lumalabas na 1000usd and under na pj hehehe.. 3d and 1080p na.
sa kwarto lang kasi bro, medyo masikip na yung harap eh ;D
but will keep naman the vt30 for my room in my moms house ;D
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nag-iba na daw ang promo ng Abensons sa Samsung 51F5000. 36k for the plasma tv + "free" 23" led tv. 31k w/o the tv. (pwede pa raw tawaran. ;D)
hmmm... esep-esep... ::)
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I've narrowed my plasma tv choices to these 3:
Panasonic 60U50 60" Full HD Plasma TV - 75k
Panasonic 50VT30 50" Full HD 3D Plasma TV - 62k (there are still a few stocks of this tv in Manila)
Samsung 51F5000 - 43k (w/ free 28" LED tv or 30+k without the "free" tv)
my heart is saying "bigger is better" but my brain is saying, "play it safe, save some money, and get the Samsung." ::) :P
Hi DTNS, I had the same dilemma a few years ago when I bought my PDP - LX5090, I listened to my brain then 2 weeks later I was thinking oh why oh why did I not buy the 6090. You have to live with your choices unless of course you win the lottery.
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I've narrowed my plasma tv choices to these 3:
Panasonic 60U50 60" Full HD Plasma TV - 75k
Panasonic 50VT30 50" Full HD 3D Plasma TV - 62k (there are still a few stocks of this tv in Manila)
Samsung 51F5000 - 43k (w/ free 28" LED tv or 30+k without the "free" tv)
my heart is saying "bigger is better" but my brain is saying, "play it safe, save some money, and get the Samsung." ::) :P
Eto pa isama mo sa pampagulo ng utak mo... ;D >:D
70K na lang daw yan kapag walang freebies ;)
http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/29090054/Samsung+PS60F5500+60in+Full+HD+Plasma+Smart+3D+TV+-+Series+5?referralKeywords=60F5500&event=Search+Ranking,Position,1-5,5 (http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/29090054/Samsung+PS60F5500+60in+Full+HD+Plasma+Smart+3D+TV+-+Series+5?referralKeywords=60F5500&event=Search+Ranking,Position,1-5,5)
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nope sulit na sulit ang pag acquire ko ng 50VT30 bro ;D
planning to do a size upgrade sana na mura lang ;D kaya nung mabasa ko post ni dtns medyo nagising dugo ko ;D
100% of the time naman dark room ako eh, hmmm pwede na UT50? ;D
Jammybabes I have a 60UT50 ngayon, its already a good unit. 75k for a 60" parang ok na din na price. di lang ako makatulog na magpalit kasi ang naiisi ko is VT60, I wont settle for the ST60, 2x the price, pero "parang" hindi ganun kalaki ang jump ng overall PQ, I may be mistaken ha kasi di ko sila nakikita side by side.
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Jammybabes I have a 60UT50 ngayon, its already a good unit. 75k for a 60" parang ok na din na price. di lang ako makatulog na magpalit kasi ang naiisi ko is VT60, I wont settle for the ST60, 2x the price, pero "parang" hindi ganun kalaki ang jump ng overall PQ, I may be mistaken ha kasi di ko sila nakikita side by side.
meron pang Panasonic 65ST30 sa LiS, nakita ko last Sunday dine-demo. I wasn't able to ask about its price though.
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Brod, eto yung converted units sa LIS. 110Vac sa likod nang panel ang nakalagay pero 220Vac na ang operating voltage. Sabi nila sa LIS, autovolt daw. ;D
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Brod, eto yung converted units sa LIS. 110Vac sa likod nang panel ang nakalagay pero 220Vac na ang operating voltage. Sabi nila sa LIS, autovolt daw. ;D
bro revz bumili ka bago tv nanaman? ;D
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Hehehe. Di pa. Pero minamanyak ako nung 60in ni Paul sa Sound and Vision. :)
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Hehehe. Di pa. Pero minamanyak ako nung 60in ni Paul sa Sound and Vision. :)
ayun go lang ;D
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Hehehe. Di pa. Pero minamanyak ako nung 60in ni Paul sa Sound and Vision. :)
nadagdag pa sa Panasonic lineup nya ang mga to: ;) ;D
60S60
50X60
50VT30
42X50
check mo na lang sa link na to:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,156586.1020.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,156586.1020.html)
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is it advisable to buy a Panasonic plasma while it is still available? I suppose no new plasma models will be coming out next year . but what about support like parts?
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Yes, pareho rin yan. Sa US, required ang parts availability for at least 3 years. Sa Japan din siguro. Kahit Japanese manufacturer, kailangan may parts para makapag-comply sa US requirements para sa units na binenta nila sa US.
Kahit mag LCD/LED, hindi naman phased-out ang tech, pero after a few years, wala na ring available parts. Pareho lang kahit mag LED ka o plasma.
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nadagdag pa sa Panasonic lineup nya ang mga to: ;) ;D
60S60
50X60
50VT30
42X50
check mo na lang sa link na to:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,156586.1020.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,156586.1020.html)
Eto pa isama mo sa pampagulo ng utak mo... ;D >:D
70K na lang daw yan kapag walang freebies ;)
http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/29090054/Samsung+PS60F5500+60in+Full+HD+Plasma+Smart+3D+TV+-+Series+5?referralKeywords=60F5500&event=Search+Ranking,Position,1-5,5 (http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/29090054/Samsung+PS60F5500+60in+Full+HD+Plasma+Smart+3D+TV+-+Series+5?referralKeywords=60F5500&event=Search+Ranking,Position,1-5,5)
Eto din yung prospect ko eh, ok kaya ito? Kasi may mga ibang models din ako nakikita na around 79k php eh...baka may owners dito na pwedeng magshare ng reviews nila..
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interestingly enough.. dito sa hk..all out parin ang panasonic... ang lalaki ng karatula and etc...
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interestingly enough.. dito sa hk..all out parin ang panasonic... ang lalaki ng karatula and etc...
pasalubong!
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check this out, 2 Panasonic plasma tvs made it to hometheaterreview.com's 2013 "Best of" Awards: :D
http://hometheaterreview.com/home-theater-reviews-best-of-2013-awards/?page=2 (http://hometheaterreview.com/home-theater-reviews-best-of-2013-awards/?page=2)
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I finally took the plunge. Got a 65vt60. ;) to be delivered in 4days. Kelangan ko na ng pampers!
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I finally took the plunge. Got a 65vt60. ;) to be delivered in 4days. Kelangan ko na ng pampers!
congrats sir! :)
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information overload, preparing for its arrival: http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1006
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Yeah it appears na baliktad ang pricing situation ng US and Australia with regard to these 2 specific models. With that level of savings, I would choose the VT60 in the US and the 8500 in Australia.
Agree with Barrister's post, well at least based on Magnolia Room's demo models, mas accurate ang color saturation ng Panny and the black levels are better. Pero those differences probably wouldn't matter when you bring a VT60 or an 8500 home where you have no side-by-side comparison na. And mas marami ka talagang flexibility sa installation location with a brighter image. For those who are used to LED brightness, the 8500 is almost like something between a plasma and an LED. That is not to say that the VT60 would not be suitable for a bright room - it will be OK as well. Even the ST series is OK under lights.
Having cooling fans has never been an issue for me - and my TV room in Tokyo is very narrow. As long as the after-sales support of the maker is good in your country, I don't think this will be a major issue. Wala ba talagang cooling fans ang Samsung for their top of the line model? - I find that rather strange considering the amount of heat that high quality plasma panels produce - and these new TVs are getting thinner, thus proper heat dissipation becomes a bigger challenge.
I would strongly suggest getting an extended warranty if you get this level and size of TV. Hindi mo naman maiisip ibebenta yung ganitong TV dahil maganda talaga and 65 is huge - but having extended warranty coverage for a reasonable amount of additional money is good. My 2010 V2 is covered under 2015. Unfortunately, I didn't have a similar option for the VT30 purchased from SNS.
bosschief alan, did you break in your vt30? I am reading some threads in AV Forums and quite a number is reporting IR sa VT60 nila. I thought the new gen plasmas are no longer very much susceptible to IRs, I have a 60UT50 which i can say nagkaka IR padin. I just got a 65vT60 and will break it in for at least 100 hrs using D-Nice slides, pero ang fear ko is baka mgkaroon pa din ng matinding IR kung di man burn in.
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bosschief alan, did you break in your vt30? I am reading some threads in AV Forums and quite a number is reporting IR sa VT60 nila. I thought the new gen plasmas are no longer very much susceptible to IRs, I have a 60UT50 which i can say nagkaka IR padin. I just got a 65vT60 and will break it in for at least 100 hrs using D-Nice slides, pero ang fear ko is baka mgkaroon pa din ng matinding IR kung di man burn in.
bro anchit! 24 hours white wash mo nalang :)
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I dont believe in break in Anchit. I think IR is a signature of high end Panasonic Plasmas sa intense ng contrast especially if you're watching high def and shows with very sharp TV channel or subtitles. But it's not going to reach burn in condition. I use pixel flipper if I want to clean out IR. Pero madalang yon.
bosschief alan, did you break in your vt30? I am reading some threads in AV Forums and quite a number is reporting IR sa VT60 nila. I thought the new gen plasmas are no longer very much susceptible to IRs, I have a 60UT50 which i can say nagkaka IR padin. I just got a 65vT60 and will break it in for at least 100 hrs using D-Nice slides, pero ang fear ko is baka mgkaroon pa din ng matinding IR kung di man burn in.
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bro anchit! 24 hours white wash mo nalang :)
bro natry ko na yan 2x, over nights. pero may faint hint pa din nung part nung webpage na pinanuod ko. o baka sa mata ko na lang nag burnin? indi naman na very noticeable kapag lang hahanapin mo, but I know its there.
I dont believe in break in Anchit. I think IR is a signature of high end Panasonic Plasmas sa intense ng contrast especially if you're watching high def and shows with very sharp TV channel or subtitles. But it's not going to reach burn in condition. I use pixel flipper if I want to clean out IR. Pero madalang yon.
Thanks sir. sige pang peace of mind ko na lang. my first plasma, the great 42PV70, ni-break in ko sya, and its been running now for almost 6 years walang IR. Pero itong UT50 ko hindi ko ni-break in.
Also another known problem of the vt60 is the fan noise. I will watch out for that.
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bro anchit IR nalang yan :)
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Pics naman diyan! ;D
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Pics naman diyan! ;D
bukas pa dadating :) teka teka naiihi ako
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Here she is, sorry for the crappy pictures.
The TV at the back is the 60UT50, iba talaga ang screen ng VT60, kahit patay itim na itim.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/anchit/VT60_zps52107f8e.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/anchit/media/VT60_zps52107f8e.jpg.html)
this is the D-Nice break in slides, siguro ill run it for two straight days lang instead of the "recommended" minimum of 100 hours.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/anchit/vt602_zps220f43d1.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/anchit/media/vt602_zps220f43d1.jpg.html)
I was home alone, I really wanted to assemble the tv, napakabigat, mag isa lang ako nag kabit, I think nasa 100pounds to, for sure bukas masakit ang likod ko ( sa ngalan ng kaatatan)
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Nice!!
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WoW!!! :o
Congrats bro 8)
Ganda Ganda!!!
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/anchit/vt602_zps220f43d1.jpg)
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(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/anchit/vt602_zps220f43d1.jpg)
yummy! congrats bro! :D
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^^Drooooooooooooooooll... :) Congrats on the purchase sir.. :D
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ganda bro anchit! :D
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Beautiful Anchit! Nakakainggit. Hehehe. Just imagine laway ko when it was $2,150 last Cyber Monday. Parang maghapon ko yata tinitigan yung page ng Amazon. Hehehe.
Anchit, it's amazing how you managed to install the 65VT60 on its pedestal by yourself only. How did you do that? Did you use clean cloth gloves? hehehe. I'm sure you'd love your VT60 so much more than the other big TV at the back. BTW, your TV room in Aussie must be really spacious. That 65VT is actually pretty huge yet looks normal compared to the width of the back wall. Sa Japan, a 65 inch TV would practically cover my entire veranda sliding door - pero kung may pambili ako, I would block my veranda access. ;D
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Congratulations Bro. Anchit...
Lovely panny,...
We're gonna move to the new house before Christmas,
and if my budget permits, I'd get the same model,...
Can't wait,...
Great room is at (15' x 16')
perfect size,... ^-^
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Beautiful Anchit! Nakakainggit. Hehehe. Just imagine laway ko when it was $2,150 last Cyber Monday. Parang maghapon ko yata tinitigan yung page ng Amazon. Hehehe.
Anchit, it's amazing how you managed to install the 65VT60 on its pedestal by yourself only. How did you do that? Did you use clean cloth gloves? hehehe. I'm sure you'd love your VT60 so much more than the other
Beautiful Anchit! Nakakainggit. Hehehe. Just imagine laway ko when it was $2,150 last Cyber Monday. Parang maghapon ko yata tinitigan yung page ng Amazon. Hehehe.
Anchit, it's amazing how you managed to install the 65VT60 on its pedestal by yourself only. How did you do that? Did you use clean cloth gloves? hehehe. I'm sure you'd love your VT60 so much more than the other big TV at the back. BTW, your TV room in Aussie must be really spacious. That 65VT is actually pretty huge yet looks normal compared to the width of the back wall. Sa Japan, a 65 inch TV would practically cover my entire veranda sliding door - pero kung may pambili ako, I would block my veranda access. ;D
big TV at the back. BTW, your TV room in Aussie must be really spacious. That 65VT is actually pretty huge yet looks normal compared to the width of the back wall. Sa Japan, a 65 inch TV would practically cover my entire veranda sliding door - pero kung may pambili ako, I would block my veranda access. ;D
Thanks boss Alan. I dont know kung pano ko nakabit, sobrng bigat, i am know nursing an aching back. Di ko na uulitin yon.
Out of the box i was not impress. Pero now na nasa 50hrs nako grabe ang ganda.
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congrats!!!
lovely tv unit!!!
am sure you are the envy of your neighbours.. ^-^
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ayaw gumna ng USb kapag portable HDD, " overcurrent" error daw, sabi sa ibang forums young iba naman working fine at yung iba gumagawana kapag yung HDD is may power adaptor pa. also may issue din ako sa lag ng sound when using external devices. ;( working naman sila ng maayos sa ut50 ko.
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Panasonic's restructuring program is a success:
Panasonic makeover brings profit surge
from auto parts, homes divisions
By Sophie Knight and Reiji Murai
TOKYO Tue Feb 4, 2014 8:25am GMT
(Reuters) - Japan's Panasonic Corp (6752.T) said its quarterly earnings more than tripled, extending its renaissance as a maker of high-tech parts for cars and energy-efficient homes with few qualms about selling off legacy businesses that once dragged it into losses.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/04/us-panasonic-earnings-idUKBREA130A920140204 (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/04/us-panasonic-earnings-idUKBREA130A920140204)
No more money to be made in mass-market consumer electronics.
Gusto ng market puro cheap, kahit low-quality. Now we have what we asked for.
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I'm glad I was able to buy a decent plasma tv (Samsung 51F5000) while they're still available.
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congrats to panasonic for the reinvention! parang Canon, from copier machines to cameras!
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Sana bumalik uli Panasonic in making quality Plasma and/or OLED TV's pag nakabawi na sila sa mga losses nila...
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Sana bumalik uli Panasonic in making quality Plasma and/or OLED TV's pag nakabawi na sila sa mga losses nila...
as much as we want it to happen, it's not gonna happen. :(
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That would be a miracle... They are trying to consolidate their business and remove non performing areas. Unfortunately Plasma is one to be removed. :(
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oh well, treasure na lang natin ang mga plasma natin na according to cnet e plasma is still the best in picture quality AND affordability.
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oh well, treasure na lang natin ang mga plasma natin na according to cnet e plasma is still the best in picture quality AND affordability.
very true!
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not all plasma are good :D
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not all plasma are good :D
yup. avoid entry-level models. LG's PN4500 series is quite good for an entry-level though. :)
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Panasonic TX-P42GT60B Plasma Review
By Vincent Teoh 16 February 2014 Verdict: Reference Level Typical price: £1200
This is the last Panasonic plasma we’ll ever review. ...
As a final farewell, we wanted to do a fitting tribute worthy of what has been a long heritage of TVs par excellence...
... we just don’t see any LED LCD outperforming the set’s insane black level, naturally high motion resolution and wide viewing angles in the future.
But the market has spoken, and the public overwhelmingly prefer the ultra-slim form factor, brighter picture and lower power consumption of LED LCD televisions.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/txp42gt60b-201402163594.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/txp42gt60b-201402163594.htm)
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Panasonic TX-P42GT60B Plasma Review
By Vincent Teoh 16 February 2014 Verdict: Reference Level Typical price: £1200
This is the last Panasonic plasma we’ll ever review. ...
As a final farewell, we wanted to do a fitting tribute worthy of what has been a long heritage of TVs par excellence...
... we just don’t see any LED LCD outperforming the set’s insane black level, naturally high motion resolution and wide viewing angles in the future.
But the market has spoken, and the public overwhelmingly prefer the ultra-slim form factor, brighter picture and lower power consumption of LED LCD televisions.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/txp42gt60b-201402163594.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/txp42gt60b-201402163594.htm)
new OLED tvs are a match for black levels (I think). but they're at stratospheric price levels! :o :-[ :'(
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OLED black levels are much better than plasma.
But OLED still has high failure rates in production at the factory, that's why prices remain too high. Straight yield rates are at 10% (9 out of 10 are defective before repair); post-repair, yields increase to 30%. Yield rate is still too low.
With factory failure rates like those, you wonder how long the unit will last after purchase.
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based on the demos of OLED's I've seen, they don't look like Plasma at all - too clean - walang grains. colors are much more striking too - parang LED at Dynamic mode. but those are demos palang.